[FairfieldLife] The Lord#39;s Prayer as a Mantra
Repetition of phrases and sayings can lead us into a deeper understanding of our own inner world. It stills the mind allowing meditation to bear more abundant fruits. Here this christian mantra is explained more clearly - a good short read : http://sathyasaimemories.wordpress.com/2012/06/21/the-lords-prayer-mantra-and-meanings/
[FairfieldLife] OMG: viveka, vivekin?
According to YS II 15: [blah blah blah...]...duHkham eva sarvam vivekinaH ...
everything (sarvam) [is] only (eva) duHkha for a vivekin.
duHkha 1 mfn. (according to grammarians properly written %{duS-kha} and said
to be from %{dus} and %{kha} [cf. %{su-kha4}] ; but more probably a
Pra1kritized form for %{duH-stha} q.v.) uneasy , uncomfortable , unpleasant ,
difficult R. Hariv. (compar. %{-tara} MBh. R.) ; n. (ifc. f. %{A}) uneasiness ,
pain , sorrow , trouble , difficulty S3Br. xiv ,
Taimni: To the people who have developed discrimination (viveka) all is
misery...
So, is a vivekin at least in CC?
Is the meaning of viveka approximately the same in yoga and advaita-vedaanta?
[FairfieldLife] Duudsons (Dudesons) nkd on an Estonian gas station!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVmINuxrQ5s http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVmINuxrQ5s
[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Vastu Housing
built according to the ancient Indian principles of Maharishi Vedic architecture that seeks harmony with the energy of the sun and nature for the well-being of occupants. Many examples of Vedic design can be seen in Fairfield and in Maharishi Vedic City, incorporated in recent years. http://www.desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/201311030405/OPINION01/311030029 http://www.desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/201311030405/OPINION01/311030029 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: Son, if that picture was a late afternoon heading towards sunset shade I'd say those folks were rectifying their unfortunate south entries. We are told their lives will change for the better now. What is your feeling about that? Would you put more money in to meditating or vastu? -Buck ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote: This is NOT my idea of vastu housing.
[FairfieldLife] Choral Movement
Indian Community Choir: http://www.kanniks.com/community-choir.htm http://www.kanniks.com/community-choir.htm the Indian American choral movement
Re: [FairfieldLife] OMG: viveka, vivekin?
Card, I can see at least 2 ways to interpret this quote. One possible meaning
is that for the person in CC, there is the infinite Self and the finite non
Self and that duality itself causes misery. OR the person in CC realizes that
all, meaning the world, is a field of change, misery rather than of permanent
bliss.
In another quote, Maharishi translates dukham as danger: avert the danger which
has not arisen. Heyam dukham anagatam.
On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 2:31 AM, cardemais...@yahoo.com
cardemais...@yahoo.com wrote:
According to YS II 15: [blah blah blah...]...duHkham eva sarvam vivekinaH ...
everything (sarvam) [is] only (eva) duHkha for a vivekin.
duHkha 1 mfn. (according to grammarians properly written %{duS-kha} and said
to be from %{dus} and %{kha} [cf. %{su-kha4}] ; but more probably a
Pra1kritized form for %{duH-stha} q.v.) uneasy , uncomfortable , unpleasant ,
difficult R. Hariv. (compar. %{-tara} MBh. R.) ; n. (ifc. f. %{A}) uneasiness ,
pain , sorrow , trouble , difficulty S3Br. xiv ,
Taimni: To the people who have developed discrimination (viveka) all is
misery...
So, is a vivekin at least in CC?
Is the meaning of viveka approximately the same in yoga and advaita-vedaanta?
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Playing Tennis at Midnight
John, I had to google prasna. So thanks, I learned something new. I wonder if the bhavas of Chandra and Mangal are also significant. Anyway, the fact that you and he have the same first names suggests to me that the dream might be about two aspects of yourself. On Monday, November 11, 2013 11:06 PM, doctordumb...@rocketmail.com doctordumb...@rocketmail.com wrote: I have had a similar dream (though not tennis related), back when Clinton was President - It comes from a deep longing for national unity, and the immense subconscious power that these national figures, can represent. So, who won the tennis match? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote: That was the theme of my dream last night. John Boehner, the Republican, asked me to play tennis with him at that odd hour. And, I said yes. Does anyone know how to interpret this dream?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Holy Hell: A Memoir of Faith, Devotion, and Pure Madness
Emily, did you find that reading this book shed some light on the experiences you and your daughters had when you went to see Amma in person? On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 1:39 AM, emilymae...@yahoo.com emilymae...@yahoo.com wrote: I would suggest this book by Gayatri (Gail) to any Amma devotees or followers or those that attend just for hugs. It's easily read in two days and is written sincerely and truthfully and fairly.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Re: Re: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Transcendental Meditation Revolutionary Mission:
Oy! I just got it Judy! Duh! Well I've always thought of myself as an early morning person and imho, that explains a lot. sigh...I'm never gonna be the sharpest tack in the FFL box but that's ok with me. How boring it would be if we were all the same. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: Right, I'm threatened because you stupidly got something I said wrong and can't bring yourself to admit it. Share, I know you're trying your best, but really... Think, honey, think. Don't just blather. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: Next step, Judy resorts to ridicule. But why? Why does she feel so threatened? And so often? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: (giggle) Poor baby. Share boo-hooed: I haven't figured it out. I didn't reply to you before because you resorted to name calling. On Monday, November 11, 2013 1:25 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: So, Share, have you figured out where you made your mistake with OTOH in response to what I said? No? Or do you just not want to admit it? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: Xeno, fyi, I have Hellman's REAL Mayonnaise in my frig, wouldn't use anything else for tuna fish salad! As for the quote, MUM Sanskrit professor Dr. Tom Egenes shared it with our class during the 91-92 school year when I was taking the MA in SCI. It's one of those phrases that stuck with me because it's so unexpected, paradoxical, koany, etc. Some say that maya ruled by tamas guna is a covering, ruled by rajo guma is a veil. But maya ruled by sat guna, it actually said to be a ladder to ultimate reality. Go figure (-: On Monday, November 11, 2013 12:45 PM, anartaxius@... anartaxius@... wrote: Does anyone here know the source of the quote My indestructible Maya? On the Internet I find just a small collection of websites, FFL principally, mentioning the phrase, but no precise source. Since Share quoted it, I assume that she is picking it out of her memory rather than from a source text. I recall the phrase, but my feeble aging brain, cannot recall where I read or otherwise heard it. Is this translated phrase from the Vedas (and which one? Rig, etc.), the Upanishads, or the Bhagavad-Gita? (in particular the MMY translation of the latter) Whether Maya is real or not, it is certainly present here on FFL. I have seen this product in refrigerators of meditators, Vegenaise, a non animal derived product purporting to replace mayonnaise. Maybe itshould be called Mayannaise instead, except people would probably confuse it with the Mayan civilisation of Central America. But then, confusion is the whole purpose of Maya. Gotta love this universe for beating us up this way.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Re: Re: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Transcendental Meditation Revolutionary Mission:
Good for you, Share. I don't think this was easy for you to acknowledge. Thank you. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: Oy! I just got it Judy! Duh! Well I've always thought of myself as an early morning person and imho, that explains a lot. sigh...I'm never gonna be the sharpest tack in the FFL box but that's ok with me. How boring it would be if we were all the same. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: Right, I'm threatened because you stupidly got something I said wrong and can't bring yourself to admit it. Share, I know you're trying your best, but really... Think, honey, think. Don't just blather. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: Next step, Judy resorts to ridicule. But why? Why does she feel so threatened? And so often? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: (giggle) Poor baby. Share boo-hooed: I haven't figured it out. I didn't reply to you before because you resorted to name calling. On Monday, November 11, 2013 1:25 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: So, Share, have you figured out where you made your mistake with OTOH in response to what I said? No? Or do you just not want to admit it? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: Xeno, fyi, I have Hellman's REAL Mayonnaise in my frig, wouldn't use anything else for tuna fish salad! As for the quote, MUM Sanskrit professor Dr. Tom Egenes shared it with our class during the 91-92 school year when I was taking the MA in SCI. It's one of those phrases that stuck with me because it's so unexpected, paradoxical, koany, etc. Some say that maya ruled by tamas guna is a covering, ruled by rajo guma is a veil. But maya ruled by sat guna, it actually said to be a ladder to ultimate reality. Go figure (-: On Monday, November 11, 2013 12:45 PM, anartaxius@... anartaxius@... wrote: Does anyone here know the source of the quote My indestructible Maya? On the Internet I find just a small collection of websites, FFL principally, mentioning the phrase, but no precise source. Since Share quoted it, I assume that she is picking it out of her memory rather than from a source text. I recall the phrase, but my feeble aging brain, cannot recall where I read or otherwise heard it. Is this translated phrase from the Vedas (and which one? Rig, etc.), the Upanishads, or the Bhagavad-Gita? (in particular the MMY translation of the latter) Whether Maya is real or not, it is certainly present here on FFL. I have seen this product in refrigerators of meditators, Vegenaise, a non animal derived product purporting to replace mayonnaise. Maybe itshould be called Mayannaise instead, except people would probably confuse it with the Mayan civilisation of Central America. But then, confusion is the whole purpose of Maya. Gotta love this universe for beating us up this way.
[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Playing Tennis at Midnight
Here's my wild guess: You are faced with some kind of challenge in your life. You're in the dark as to how to address it and are afraid you might make a mistake. Challenge = tennis game In the dark = midnight Mistake = Boehner (boner--the dream is punning with the spelling of the name rather than its pronunciation) It isn't a dire or violent challenge--tennis is a very civilized game. Boehner's job in real life is to mediate disputes between people, but he made mistakes in dealing with the government shutdown crisis, which reinforces the boner pun.This is probably a social challenge of some sort for you that you're not sure how to deal with. (I'm assuming that Boehner represents part of yourself that perhaps has made gaffes in the past.) My sense is that the dreaming mind generally is not very articulate, and it has to struggle to construct a picture of a situation that relates to what's going on in your life. It grabs a bit of resonance here and a vague allusion there and sort of cobbles them together, often quite clumsily, but also ingeniously given what it has to work with in the way of a vocabulary. A dream doesn't necessarily give you solutions. Usually all it's doing is telling you something about what's happening in your mind that you aren't consciously aware of. All IMHO, of course. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote: Doc, As you indicated, the dream may have an element of political concession or negotiation. But playing tennis at midnight is still baffling to me. We never got to play tennis. I just said that I can play with him. Then, the dream ended. I'll look up the meaning of a tennis game in a dream book filed somewhere in my library. I'll let you guys know the results tomorrow. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: I have had a similar dream (though not tennis related), back when Clinton was President - It comes from a deep longing for national unity, and the immense subconscious power that these national figures, can represent. So, who won the tennis match? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote: That was the theme of my dream last night. John Boehner, the Republican, asked me to play tennis with him at that odd hour. And, I said yes. Does anyone know how to interpret this dream?
[FairfieldLife] RE: Transcendental Meditation Revolutionary Mission:
Judy You quoted a famous statement from the Udana. It doesn't fit well into the early Buddhist sutta-s because it appears to go counter to the momentariness doctrine (ksanika-vada). However, scholars consider that to be an actual point of authentication. The statement was considered too well known and too sacred to leave out of the early transmission. It is basically an Upanishad of the Transcendent. You may also have read that Buddha's sayings were not even written for 300 years - that is until the monks feared the loss of the oral transmissions. Apparently there we no longer enough converted Brahmins still available with their well-honed memories. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: Seraphita wrote: (snip) Re In Buddhism, the “self” is the ego (the “I”) – a conceptual construct that is quite unreal. In Advaita, the Self is the only “truly Real” and is the basis of all concepts.: So what you're saying is that Buddhists and Vedantists have been talking at cross- purposes for centuries when they speak of the s/Self: how comical is that? Seems to me anyone who is familiar with both traditions understands that they each deny true reality to the self (lower-case) but differ as to whether there is a Self (capitalized). However, it's awfully tempting to equate Nirvana with the Self (Atman/Brahman). From the Udana, attributed to the Buddha: There is, monks, that plane where there is neither extension, nor motion, nor the plane of infinite ether nor that of neither-perception-nor-non-perception, neither this world nor another, neither the moon nor the sun. Here, monks, I say that there is no coming or going or remaining or deceasing or uprising, for this is itself without support, without continuance in samsara, without mental object - this is itself the end of suffering. There is, monks, an unborn, not become, unmade, uncompounded, and were it not, monks, for this unborn, not become, not made, uncompounded, no escape could be shown here for what is born, has become, is made, is compounded. But because there is, monks, an unborn, not become, unmade, uncompounded, therefore an escape can be shown, for what is born, has become, is made, is compounded. http://buddha-dharma.net/contributions/buddhism%26vedanta.html http://buddha-dharma.net/contributions/buddhism%26vedanta.html Also interesting are the apparent parallels between the descriptions of Brahman/the Uncompounded and the descriptions of God in classical theism (e.g., Aquinas). Of course, the map is not the territory, but the territory seems to have given rise to remarkably similar conceptual maps in this regard. Finally, according to Maharishi, Maya is that which is not--but the illusion involved is not that Maya is not real, but rather that it isn't Brahman. (Fire when ready, empty. You da man here.)
[FairfieldLife] RE: OMG: viveka, vivekin?
Dukha is the opposite of sukha. Kha as in Chaos (khaos).
It literally means a bad (du) axle-hole vs good (su) axle-hole.
---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote:
Card, I can see at least 2 ways to interpret this quote. One possible meaning
is that for the person in CC, there is the infinite Self and the finite non
Self and that duality itself causes misery. OR the person in CC realizes that
all, meaning the world, is a field of change, misery rather than of permanent
bliss.
In another quote, Maharishi translates dukham as danger: avert the danger
which has not arisen. Heyam dukham anagatam.
On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 2:31 AM, cardemaister@... cardemaister@...
wrote:
According to YS II 15: [blah blah blah...]...duHkham eva sarvam vivekinaH
... everything (sarvam) [is] only (eva) duHkha for a vivekin.
duHkha 1 mfn. (according to grammarians properly written %{duS-kha} and said
to be from %{dus} and %{kha} [cf. %{su-kha4}] ; but more probably a
Pra1kritized form for %{duH-stha} q.v.) uneasy , uncomfortable , unpleasant ,
difficult R. Hariv. (compar. %{-tara} MBh. R.) ; n. (ifc. f. %{A}) uneasiness ,
pain , sorrow , trouble , difficulty S3Br. xiv ,
Taimni: To the people who have developed discrimination (viveka) all is
misery...
So, is a vivekin at least in CC?
Is the meaning of viveka approximately the same in yoga and advaita-vedaanta?
[FairfieldLife] Re: OMG: viveka, vivekin?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote:
Dukha is the opposite of sukha. Kha as in Chaos (khaos).
It literally means a bad (du) axle-hole vs good (su) axle-hole.
Who exactly are you calling an axle-hole? :-)
---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@ wrote:
Card, I can see at least 2 ways to interpret this quote. One possible
meaning is that for the person in CC, there is the infinite Self and the
finite non Self and that duality itself causes misery. OR the person in
CC realizes that all, meaning the world, is a field of change, misery
rather than of permanent bliss.
In another quote, Maharishi translates dukham as danger: avert the
danger which has not arisen. Heyam dukham anagatam.
On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 2:31 AM, cardemaister@ cardemaister@
wrote:
According to YS II 15: [blah blah blah...]...duHkham eva sarvam
vivekinaH ... everything (sarvam) [is] only (eva) duHkha for a vivekin.
duHkha 1 mfn. (according to grammarians properly written %{duS-kha}
and said to be from %{dus} and %{kha} [cf. %{su-kha4}] ; but more
probably a Pra1kritized form for %{duH-stha} q.v.) uneasy ,
uncomfortable , unpleasant , difficult R. Hariv. (compar. %{-tara} MBh.
R.) ; n. (ifc. f. %{A}) uneasiness , pain , sorrow , trouble ,
difficulty S3Br. xiv ,
Taimni: To the people who have developed discrimination (viveka) all
is misery...
So, is a vivekin at least in CC?
Is the meaning of viveka approximately the same in yoga and
advaita-vedaanta?
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Transcendental Meditation Revolutionary Mission:
It didn't take this thread long to go to shit. This must be the point in the conversation when it gets personal. Go figure. On 11/11/2013 9:31 PM, s3raph...@yahoo.com wrote: Richard J. is such a literalist. If he was (God forbid) a Moslem or a Christian he'd be a fruitcake fundamentalist. Re his comment that all Hindus and Buddhists believe in samsara, karma, and reincarnation: Yes they *believe* in that bullshit but on what possible justification? How many Hindus and Buddhists seriously claim to have memories of their previous incarnations? Precious few, I'd bet. Reincarnation is a pleasing myth which has value in hinting at the great truth that we are *not* the separate, isolated individuals our common senses tell us we are. Re :The Bodhisattva vow is the vow taken by Mahayana Buddhists to attain complete enlightenment for the sake of all sentient beings.: Is Richard J claiming that he has taken (or ever, ever, ever intends to take) a vow to work for the complete enlightenment of George W. Bush before he will choose to sink into parinirvana? Hypocrite! Me - I saw screw Dubbya. I want what's mine! ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote: Neuroplasticity and the jyotish pitta-laced gulab jamuns at work, no doubt. Gulab Jamun Recipe ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote: I sent this at 10:30 this morning. It was posted at 4:18 pm. It must be a sign. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote: I'm rootin' for you Share. I'm slow on the uptake too, but I think I got this one. The clue is: Read *all* the words, as Judy has pointed out. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: Read what I wrote again, dimwit. HINT: Read /all/ the words. When you see where you made your mistake, let us know, OK? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: Judy, from what I noted, Maharishi said that Brahman is maya. You wrote that Maharishi said that Brahman is not maya. Maybe it's simply a case of the teacher contradicting himself so that the students don't get trapped in intellectual understanding. On Monday, November 11, 2013 11:17 AM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: OTOH?? Read what I wrote again, Share. Share fumbled: OTOH, in the Veda it's written: Brahman says, My indestructible maya. And Maharishi has explained that at the deepest level of every cell of our body, Purusha IS Prakriti. (snip) I wrote: Finally, according to Maharishi, Maya is that which is not--but the illusion involved is not that Maya is not real, but rather that it isn't Brahman.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Remembering Veteran Meditators
Maybe we can assume that those informants who post negative messages early in the morning are those that did not meditate. If they did meditate, and they are still prone to posting negative messages early in the morning, then maybe they should get checked or adopt another type of spiritual practice. Those who choose instead to try to post positive messages are probably on a spiritual trip of some kind and probably meditate very regularly. Maybe the TurqoiseB was correct when he observed that if this is an example what TM produces in people, then it might be better to just sit quietly, contemplate your navel, and watch your breath for a few minutes every day. And, there's always the possibility that the schoolyard bully likes to meditate, and while meditating dreams up new ways to abuse his or her peers. Go figure. One thing is fer sure, most of us are posting from an office on company equipment. Get to work! On 11/11/2013 7:57 PM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote: You've got to realize, Share, that getting up in the morning and turning a perfectly good thread to shit is the first thing on some people's agenda. We only have your word to go on but I could agree with you that getting up in the morning and taking a good shit is the first thing on most people's agenda. It's like an addiction or a prop; part of their morning ritual. Absolutely, there is nothing like flushing down the tubes that potent mixture of digested waste matter. You gotta know it's true! Another thing you need to realize is that this posting may be the only spiritual practice they do on a regular basis. Spiritual shmiritual, most of us just have pure and simple bloodlust - including you when you're not all about the poop. I wouldn't be surprised if some of the informants here actually go to bed at night and dream what they can post here the next morning. Yes, when we're not dreaming about Barry. The rule here is, if it's posted by the TurquoiseB, then it should get pooped on- it's inherent in the design. Says the man who has smeared more excrement on Barry than the next runner up. You've got to know your adversary and what buttons need to be pushed in order to get a negative response. LoL! Hardee har har. Go figure. On 11/11/2013 10:23 AM, Share Long wrote: Ok, Richard, here's one theory: operant conditioning. If the negative comments get responded to more than positive comments do, then duh, people are gonna post negative comments. As you say, people just want to talk with someone (-: On Monday, November 11, 2013 9:00 AM, Richard J. Williams punditster@... mailto:punditster@... wrote: It took just over three hours for this FFL thread to turn into a shit pile. Go figure. On 11/11/2013 7:23 AM, anartaxius@... mailto:anartaxius@... wrote: And in addition Buck - You posted this last year as well. Your repetitious plagiarism, spamming, and typical lack of original thinking here rather ill suits communicating to those on this forum. There is a spark in there somewhere Buck - it shows very occasionally - why not work on letting that come through instead of this ponderous Bible thumping approach which was better suited to a previous age. You are making it appear that meditation has zero effect on a person's life. The dinosaurs disappeared 65,000,000 years ago. Time to catch up! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote: Buck wrote: * It is not that these meditators have lived, but that they have so lived...that they offered * * themselves willingly in a cause vital and dear to humanity; and what is more, a cause they * * comprehended as such, and looking at it, in all its bearings and its consequences, solemnly * * pledged to it all that they had and were This comprehension of the cause, this intelligent * * devotion, this deliberate dedication of themselves to duty, they suffered in testimony of their * * loyalty, faith and love, make these meditators worthy of honor today, not merely that the cause * * was worthy but that they were worthy.* Excerpt from Civil War Brigadier General Joshua Lawrence Chamberlain's 1884 Memorial Day Address: It is not that these men are dead, but that they have so died...that they offered themselves willingly to death in a cause vital and dear to humanity; and what is more, a cause they comprehended as such, and looking at it, in all its bearings and its consequences, solemnly pledged to it all that they had and were This comprehension of the cause—this intelligent devotion—this deliberate dedication of themselves to duty—these deaths suffered in testimony of their loyalty, faith and love, make these men worthy of honor today, and these deaths equal to the lauded deaths of martyrs. Not merely that the cause was worthy but that they were worthy
[FairfieldLife] RE: The Lord#39;s Prayer as a Mantra
This is quite wonderful and appropriate to bring up here. Is how I experience and feel too about the Unified Field beyond the mantra in meditation and in life. -Buck ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, martin.quickman@... wrote: Repetition of phrases and sayings can lead us into a deeper understanding of our own inner world. It stills the mind allowing meditation to bear more abundant fruits. Here this christian mantra is explained more clearly - a good short read : http://sathyasaimemories.wordpress.com/2012/06/21/the-lords-prayer-mantra-and-meanings/
[FairfieldLife] RE: The Lord#39;s Prayer as a Mantra
I have said this one since I was a little girl. Separately, I do TM. I always go back to the lord's prayer in times of sickness, or rough times or when I stretch for hope to fulfill my desires or wish goodness upon others. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: This is quite wonderful and appropriate to bring up here. Is how I experience and feel too about the Unified Field beyond the mantra in meditation and in life. -Buck ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, martin.quickman@... wrote: Repetition of phrases and sayings can lead us into a deeper understanding of our own inner world. It stills the mind allowing meditation to bear more abundant fruits. Here this christian mantra is explained more clearly - a good short read : http://sathyasaimemories.wordpress.com/2012/06/21/the-lords-prayer-mantra-and-meanings/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: OMG: viveka, vivekin?
Oy, I didn't even get that turq til your comment. Sounds like empty (hole?) was
saying that hole=chaos which traditionally is how many men on spiritual paths
see holes of all sorts (-:
On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 8:35 AM, TurquoiseB turquoi...@yahoo.com wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote:
Dukha is the opposite of sukha. Kha as in Chaos (khaos).
It literally means a bad (du) axle-hole vs good (su) axle-hole.
Who exactly are you calling an axle-hole? :-)
---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@ wrote:
Card, I can see at least 2 ways to interpret this quote. One possible
meaning is that for the person in CC, there is the infinite Self and the
finite non Self and that duality itself causes misery. OR the person in
CC realizes that all, meaning the world, is a field of change, misery
rather than of permanent bliss.
In another quote, Maharishi translates dukham as danger: avert the
danger which has not arisen. Heyam dukham anagatam.
On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 2:31 AM, cardemaister@ cardemaister@
wrote:
According to YS II 15: [blah blah blah...]...duHkham eva sarvam
vivekinaH ... everything (sarvam) [is] only (eva) duHkha for a vivekin.
duHkha 1 mfn. (according to grammarians properly written %{duS-kha}
and said to be from %{dus} and %{kha} [cf. %{su-kha4}] ; but more
probably a Pra1kritized form for %{duH-stha} q.v.) uneasy ,
uncomfortable , unpleasant , difficult R. Hariv. (compar. %{-tara} MBh.
R.) ; n. (ifc. f. %{A}) uneasiness , pain , sorrow , trouble ,
difficulty S3Br. xiv ,
Taimni: To the people who have developed discrimination (viveka) all
is misery...
So, is a vivekin at least in CC?
Is the meaning of viveka approximately the same in yoga and
advaita-vedaanta?
RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Remembering Veteran Meditators
Yea I agree too. I love and appreciate how he wrote too. Actually I love Anartaxius, and Turqb and MJ and Curtis and others I have disagreed with here too. I always feel hopeful like they could change their thinking and come back to group meditation again. In love I meditate for them too with the large group, -Buck in the Dome ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: I love what Xeno wrote and that he wrote it in the midst of a disagreement: May you have the best of all possible experience. Thank you, XA and is it not a huge conundrum that progress cannot be gauged by how *productive* a technique is? This is where bravery is important I think, a willingness to stand for something even if one might be wrong. On Monday, November 11, 2013 9:26 AM, anartaxius@... anartaxius@... wrote: Not quite. It is true I have criticised your method of presentation here. But I was not criticising or attempting to disprove the message you were conveying. From an emotional point of view, your intent is laudable. So, if an attack, it was aimed at you for your anachronistic style of presentation, but it was not an ad hominem logical fallacy attack attempting to disprove the message by killing the messenger. This is the 21st century Buck, not the 19th century. I do not have that many nerves to be struck. I still meditate every day, three, four times a day. I have quit only those things which are not productive, and testing is always in order to discover what is working and what is not, though there are times when it is not possible to gauge progress this way. May you have the best of all possible experience. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Om ha, ha, ha, ha. Xeno, evidently I struck your nerve. Classic. Typical ad hominem response to hit back at the messenger and not deal with the message. Would seems you are just one so sad no account sorry quitter himself for having fallen off the wagon as it drove on leaving you behind. I like these paragraphs for the study of how they can stir people. Worked even for you now. Thanks, -Buck ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote: And in addition Buck - You posted this last year as well. Your repetitious plagiarism, spamming, and typical lack of original thinking here rather ill suits communicating to those on this forum. There is a spark in there somewhere Buck - it shows very occasionally - why not work on letting that come through instead of this ponderous Bible thumping approach which was better suited to a previous age. You are making it appear that meditation has zero effect on a person's life. The dinosaurs disappeared 65,000,000 years ago. Time to catch up! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: Buck wrote: It is not that these meditators have lived, but that they have so lived...that they offered themselves willingly in a cause vital and dear to humanity; and what is more, a cause they comprehended as such, and looking at it, in all its bearings and its consequences, solemnly pledged to it all that they had and were This comprehension of the cause, this intelligent devotion, this deliberate dedication of themselves to duty, they suffered in testimony of their loyalty, faith and love, make these meditators worthy of honor today, not merely that the cause was worthy but that they were worthy. Excerpt from Civil War Brigadier General Joshua Lawrence Chamberlain's 1884 Memorial Day Address: It is not that these men are dead, but that they have so died...that they offered themselves willingly to death in a cause vital and dear to humanity; and what is more, a cause they comprehended as such, and looking at it, in all its bearings and its consequences, solemnly pledged to it all that they had and were This comprehension of the cause—this intelligent devotion—this deliberate dedication of themselves to duty—these deaths suffered in testimony of their loyalty, faith and love, make these men worthy of honor today, and these deaths equal to the lauded deaths of martyrs. Not merely that the cause was worthy but that they were worthy http://dragoon1st.tripod.com/cw/files/jlc_words.html http://dragoon1st.tripod.com/cw/files/jlc_words.html
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Re: Re: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Transcendental Meditation Revolutionary Mission:
You're welcome, Judy and I wrote the email as soon as I realized what I had been missing. It did not feel at all hard to do. Go figure! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: Good for you, Share. I don't think this was easy for you to acknowledge. Thank you. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: Oy! I just got it Judy! Duh! Well I've always thought of myself as an early morning person and imho, that explains a lot. sigh...I'm never gonna be the sharpest tack in the FFL box but that's ok with me. How boring it would be if we were all the same. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: Right, I'm threatened because you stupidly got something I said wrong and can't bring yourself to admit it. Share, I know you're trying your best, but really... Think, honey, think. Don't just blather. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: Next step, Judy resorts to ridicule. But why? Why does she feel so threatened? And so often? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: (giggle) Poor baby. Share boo-hooed: I haven't figured it out. I didn't reply to you before because you resorted to name calling. On Monday, November 11, 2013 1:25 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: So, Share, have you figured out where you made your mistake with OTOH in response to what I said? No? Or do you just not want to admit it? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: Xeno, fyi, I have Hellman's REAL Mayonnaise in my frig, wouldn't use anything else for tuna fish salad! As for the quote, MUM Sanskrit professor Dr. Tom Egenes shared it with our class during the 91-92 school year when I was taking the MA in SCI. It's one of those phrases that stuck with me because it's so unexpected, paradoxical, koany, etc. Some say that maya ruled by tamas guna is a covering, ruled by rajo guma is a veil. But maya ruled by sat guna, it actually said to be a ladder to ultimate reality. Go figure (-: On Monday, November 11, 2013 12:45 PM, anartaxius@... anartaxius@... wrote: Does anyone here know the source of the quote My indestructible Maya? On the Internet I find just a small collection of websites, FFL principally, mentioning the phrase, but no precise source. Since Share quoted it, I assume that she is picking it out of her memory rather than from a source text. I recall the phrase, but my feeble aging brain, cannot recall where I read or otherwise heard it. Is this translated phrase from the Vedas (and which one? Rig, etc.), the Upanishads, or the Bhagavad-Gita? (in particular the MMY translation of the latter) Whether Maya is real or not, it is certainly present here on FFL. I have seen this product in refrigerators of meditators, Vegenaise, a non animal derived product purporting to replace mayonnaise. Maybe itshould be called Mayannaise instead, except people would probably confuse it with the Mayan civilisation of Central America. But then, confusion is the whole purpose of Maya. Gotta love this universe for beating us up this way.
Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Remembering Veteran Meditators
Ah ha, Richard, but you've often said that what is meant by meditating is thinking and that we all are thinking all the time. Following this logic, all FFL posters are meditating! Go figure! On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 9:20 AM, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote: Yea I agree too. I love and appreciate how he wrote too. Actually I love Anartaxius, and Turqb and MJ and Curtis and others I have disagreed with here too. I always feel hopeful like they could change their thinking and come back to group meditation again. In love I meditate for them too with the large group, -Buck in the Dome ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: I love what Xeno wrote and that he wrote it in the midst of a disagreement: May you have the best of all possible experience. Thank you, XA and is it not a huge conundrum that progress cannot be gauged by how *productive* a technique is? This is where bravery is important I think, a willingness to stand for something even if one might be wrong. On Monday, November 11, 2013 9:26 AM, anartaxius@... anartaxius@... wrote: Not quite. It is true I have criticised your method of presentation here. But I was not criticising or attempting to disprove the message you were conveying. From an emotional point of view, your intent is laudable. So, if an attack, it was aimed at you for your anachronistic style of presentation, but it was not an ad hominem logical fallacy attack attempting to disprove the message by killing the messenger. This is the 21st century Buck, not the 19th century. I do not have that many nerves to be struck. I still meditate every day, three, four times a day. I have quit only those things which are not productive, and testing is always in order to discover what is working and what is not, though there are times when it is not possible to gauge progress this way. May you have the best of all possible experience. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Om ha, ha, ha, ha. Xeno, evidently I struck your nerve. Classic. Typical ad hominem response to hit back at the messenger and not deal with the message. Would seems you are just one so sad no account sorry quitter himself for having fallen off the wagon as it drove on leaving you behind. I like these paragraphs for the study of how they can stir people. Worked even for you now. Thanks, -Buck ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote: And in addition Buck - You posted this last year as well. Your repetitious plagiarism, spamming, and typical lack of original thinking here rather ill suits communicating to those on this forum. There is a spark in there somewhere Buck - it shows very occasionally - why not work on letting that come through instead of this ponderous Bible thumping approach which was better suited to a previous age. You are making it appear that meditation has zero effect on a person's life. The dinosaurs disappeared 65,000,000 years ago. Time to catch up! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: Buck wrote: It is not that these meditators have lived, but that they have so lived...that they offered themselves willingly in a cause vital and dear to humanity; and what is more, a cause they comprehended as such, and looking at it, in all its bearings and its consequences, solemnly pledged to it all that they had and were This comprehension of the cause, this intelligent devotion, this deliberate dedication of themselves to duty, they suffered in testimony of their loyalty, faith and love, make these meditators worthy of honor today, not merely that the cause was worthy but that they were worthy. Excerpt from Civil War Brigadier General Joshua Lawrence Chamberlain's 1884 Memorial Day Address: It is not that these men are dead, but that they have so died...that they offered themselves willingly to death in a cause vital and dear to humanity; and what is more, a cause they comprehended as such, and looking at it, in all its bearings and its consequences, solemnly pledged to it all that they had and were This comprehension of the cause—this intelligent devotion—this deliberate dedication of themselves to duty—these deaths suffered in testimony of their loyalty, faith and love, make these men worthy of honor today, and these deaths equal to the lauded deaths of martyrs. Not merely that the cause was worthy but that they were worthy http://dragoon1st.tripod.com/cw/files/jlc_words.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] OMG: viveka, vivekin?
According to Swami Venkatesananda Saraswati, Patanjali included this sutra
to show that the yoga philosophy was in full agreement with both Sankhya
and Buddhism on the nature of the material world: an aggregate of
impressions expresses itself in thought.
All is suffering for the wise man (Y.S. 2.15).
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Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and Swami Venkatesananda, Swarag Ashram, Ricjikesh
In Sanskrit the term 'dukkham' means suffering, a universal affliction.
This makes sense when you consider whether man is bound or is free. If
free, then there's no need for a yoga. If bound, by what means can man free
himself? Yoga is that means by which man can be free and immortal.
Suffering that has not yet come can be avoided. (Y.S. 2.16)
Patanjali, in Yoga Sutras 2.16 and 2.17, says that subliminal intentions
bear fruit both in our current lifetime and in potential rebirths. Mental
impressions, that is, past actions, mental or physical, thus create a
ground on which future impressions of matter take hold to form subliminal
intentions. In her astute commentary on Yoga Sutras, which is based on the
commentary of Vyasa, Barbara Stoler Miller notes:
In Patanjaii's analysis, the aggregate of impressions expresses itself in
thought (citta) and action (karma), which account for subconscious
predispositions that condition the character and behavior of an individual
throughout many reincarnations. Thought and action then become involved in
an endless round of reciprocal causality. Actions create memory traces,
which fuel the mental processes and are stored in memory that endures
through many rebirths. The store of subliminal impressions is obliterated
only when the chain of causal relations is broken.
Works Cited:
'The Yoga Sutras of Patanjali'
By Barbara Stoler-Miller, Ph.D.
p. 48
'The Yoga Sutras of Patanjali'
bySwami Venkatesananda
http://www.swamivenkatesananda.org/http://www.swamivenkatesananda.org/clientuploads/publications_online/Enlightened%20Living%20by%20Swami%20Venkatesananda.pdf
On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 2:31 AM, cardemais...@yahoo.com wrote:
According to YS II 15: [blah blah blah...]...duHkham eva sarvam vivekinaH
... everything (sarvam) [is] only (eva) duHkha for a vivekin.
duHkha 1 mfn. (according to grammarians properly written %{duS-kha} and
said to be from %{dus} and %{kha} [cf. %{su-kha4}] ; but more probably a
Pra1kritized form for %{duH-stha} q.v.) uneasy , uncomfortable , unpleasant
, difficult R. Hariv. (compar. %{-tara} MBh. R.) ; n. (ifc. f. %{A})
uneasiness , pain , sorrow , trouble , difficulty S3Br. xiv ,
Taimni: To the people who have developed discrimination (viveka) all is
misery...
So, is a vivekin at least in CC?
Is the meaning of viveka approximately the same in yoga and
advaita-vedaanta?
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Playing Tennis at Midnight
Wow, Judy, I'm speechless. It sounds like you've had training in dream analysis. Have you? How did you come to know so much about the workings of dreams? On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 8:04 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: Here's my wild guess: You are faced with some kind of challenge in your life. You're in the dark as to how to address it and are afraid you might make a mistake. Challenge = tennis game In the dark = midnight Mistake = Boehner (boner--the dream is punning with the spelling of the name rather than its pronunciation) It isn't a dire or violent challenge--tennis is a very civilized game. Boehner's job in real life is to mediate disputes between people, but he made mistakes in dealing with the government shutdown crisis, which reinforces the boner pun.This is probably a social challenge of some sort for you that you're not sure how to deal with. (I'm assuming that Boehner represents part of yourself that perhaps has made gaffes in the past.) My sense is that the dreaming mind generally is not very articulate, and it has to struggle to construct a picture of a situation that relates to what's going on in your life. It grabs a bit of resonance here and a vague allusion there and sort of cobbles them together, often quite clumsily, but also ingeniously given what it has to work with in the way of a vocabulary. A dream doesn't necessarily give you solutions. Usually all it's doing is telling you something about what's happening in your mind that you aren't consciously aware of. All IMHO, of course. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote: Doc, As you indicated, the dream may have an element of political concession or negotiation. But playing tennis at midnight is still baffling to me. We never got to play tennis. I just said that I can play with him. Then, the dream ended. I'll look up the meaning of a tennis game in a dream book filed somewhere in my library. I'll let you guys know the results tomorrow. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: I have had a similar dream (though not tennis related), back when Clinton was President - It comes from a deep longing for national unity, and the immense subconscious power that these national figures, can represent. So, who won the tennis match? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote: That was the theme of my dream last night. John Boehner, the Republican, asked me to play tennis with him at that odd hour. And, I said yes. Does anyone know how to interpret this dream?
[FairfieldLife] RE: Playing Tennis at Midnight
Judy, Thanks for the detailed dream analysis. I'll let you know if anything manifests in my life that resembles your interpretation in the next few days or weeks. It is logical that tennis can be interpreted as a challenge. Midnight is definitely in the dark. But it is also the opposite of noon, which typically means success in jyotish. Boehner can be interpreted as someone from another political persuasion or ideological belief since I don't consider myself a Republican. However, I did have a friend in Seattle who voted for Republican candidates. The dream probably means to be careful in taking on challenges that are beyond one's capability. You should start a sideline gig as a psychic or dream interpreter. How does Shri Judy from Jersey Shore sound to you? ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: Here's my wild guess: You are faced with some kind of challenge in your life. You're in the dark as to how to address it and are afraid you might make a mistake. Challenge = tennis game In the dark = midnight Mistake = Boehner (boner--the dream is punning with the spelling of the name rather than its pronunciation) It isn't a dire or violent challenge--tennis is a very civilized game. Boehner's job in real life is to mediate disputes between people, but he made mistakes in dealing with the government shutdown crisis, which reinforces the boner pun.This is probably a social challenge of some sort for you that you're not sure how to deal with. (I'm assuming that Boehner represents part of yourself that perhaps has made gaffes in the past.) My sense is that the dreaming mind generally is not very articulate, and it has to struggle to construct a picture of a situation that relates to what's going on in your life. It grabs a bit of resonance here and a vague allusion there and sort of cobbles them together, often quite clumsily, but also ingeniously given what it has to work with in the way of a vocabulary. A dream doesn't necessarily give you solutions. Usually all it's doing is telling you something about what's happening in your mind that you aren't consciously aware of. All IMHO, of course. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote: Doc, As you indicated, the dream may have an element of political concession or negotiation. But playing tennis at midnight is still baffling to me. We never got to play tennis. I just said that I can play with him. Then, the dream ended. I'll look up the meaning of a tennis game in a dream book filed somewhere in my library. I'll let you guys know the results tomorrow. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: I have had a similar dream (though not tennis related), back when Clinton was President - It comes from a deep longing for national unity, and the immense subconscious power that these national figures, can represent. So, who won the tennis match? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote: That was the theme of my dream last night. John Boehner, the Republican, asked me to play tennis with him at that odd hour. And, I said yes. Does anyone know how to interpret this dream?
[FairfieldLife] hole!
Speaking of synchronicity, I just received this from a non FFL buddy! http://i.imgur.com/C4X5cR4h.jpg
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: The Lord's Prayer as a Mantra
Obbajee, what's happening? So good to hear from you. I miss your soul here. On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 9:07 AM, obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: I have said this one since I was a little girl. Separately, I do TM. I always go back to the lord's prayer in times of sickness, or rough times or when I stretch for hope to fulfill my desires or wish goodness upon others. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: This is quite wonderful and appropriate to bring up here. Is how I experience and feel too about the Unified Field beyond the mantra in meditation and in life. -Buck ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, martin.quickman@... wrote: Repetition of phrases and sayings can lead us into a deeper understanding of our own inner world. It stills the mind allowing meditation to bear more abundant fruits. Here this christian mantra is explained more clearly - a good short read : http://sathyasaimemories.wordpress.com/2012/06/21/the-lords-prayer-mantra-and-meanings/
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Transcendental Meditation Revolutionary Mission:
Richard, my online Calgary buddy sent me a photo this morning of a bird sipping water from a pool of water. Then I got it! The bird is real. But so is his reflection in the pool of water. But it's real as a reflection not as a 3 D bird. My whole brain feels better (-: On Monday, November 11, 2013 11:47 PM, Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote: To be accurate, Adwaita Vedanta holds that maya is not real, yet it is not unreal (in the sense that it is resented to you). An illusion is not absolutely real because it is not based on permanence, but an illusion is real because it is just false knowledge, like in a dream, or mistaking a rope for a snake. For those well versed in the Vedaanta the world is like a city of Gaandharvas - an illusion. Source: 'Gaudapada' http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaudapada On 11/11/2013 1:57 PM, anartax...@yahoo.com wrote: But where did the quote come from? If Tom Egnes is the source, then Tom = Veda, and we can skip Indian literature altogether. Another version of the idea is 'The world is unreal; Brahman is real; the world is Brahman'. This seems to be translation of a quotation by Shankara commenting on one of the Upanishads, but I do not know which one. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: Xeno, I googled on brahman maya and there were lots of hits. There were also a lot of hits under brahman maya relationship. It seems to be quite controversial, some saying maya is not real and others saying it is real. And my favorite was the teacher who said it's pointless to try and understand it until one is enlightened. But I find it enjoyable to let the brain play with these ideas. On Monday, November 11, 2013 1:30 PM, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: I haven't figured it out. I didn't reply to you before because you resorted to name calling. On Monday, November 11, 2013 1:25 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: So, Share, have you figured out where you made your mistake with OTOH in response to what I said? No? Or do you just not want to admit it? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: Xeno, fyi, I have Hellman's REAL Mayonnaise in my frig, wouldn't use anything else for tuna fish salad! As for the quote, MUM Sanskrit professor Dr. Tom Egenes shared it with our class during the 91-92 school year when I was taking the MA in SCI. It's one of those phrases that stuck with me because it's so unexpected, paradoxical, koany, etc. Some say that maya ruled by tamas guna is a covering, ruled by rajo guma is a veil. But maya ruled by sat guna, it actually said to be a ladder to ultimate reality. Go figure (-: On Monday, November 11, 2013 12:45 PM, anartaxius@... anartaxius@... wrote: Does anyone here know the source of the quote My indestructible Maya? On the Internet I find just a small collection of websites, FFL principally, mentioning the phrase, but no precise source. Since Share quoted it, I assume that she is picking it out of her memory rather than from a source text. I recall the phrase, but my feeble aging brain, cannot recall where I read or otherwise heard it. Is this translated phrase from the Vedas (and which one? Rig, etc.), the Upanishads, or the Bhagavad-Gita? (in particular the MMY translation of the latter) Whether Maya is real or not, it is certainly present here on FFL. I have seen this product in refrigerators of meditators, Vegenaise, a non animal derived product purporting to replace mayonnaise. Maybe itshould be called Mayannaise instead, except people would probably confuse it with the Mayan civilisation of Central America. But then, confusion is the whole purpose of Maya. Gotta love this universe for beating us up this way.
[FairfieldLife] Headline of the Day - So Far
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RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Playing Tennis at Midnight
No, no training. I read a book once years ago and absorbed some general principles. There's nothing even the tiniest bit authoritative about my speculations here concerning John's dream. I was just riffing on what struck me as possible keys. If they don't resonate for him, forget 'em. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: Wow, Judy, I'm speechless. It sounds like you've had training in dream analysis. Have you? How did you come to know so much about the workings of dreams? On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 8:04 AM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: Here's my wild guess: You are faced with some kind of challenge in your life. You're in the dark as to how to address it and are afraid you might make a mistake. Challenge = tennis game In the dark = midnight Mistake = Boehner (boner--the dream is punning with the spelling of the name rather than its pronunciation) It isn't a dire or violent challenge--tennis is a very civilized game. Boehner's job in real life is to mediate disputes between people, but he made mistakes in dealing with the government shutdown crisis, which reinforces the boner pun.This is probably a social challenge of some sort for you that you're not sure how to deal with. (I'm assuming that Boehner represents part of yourself that perhaps has made gaffes in the past.) My sense is that the dreaming mind generally is not very articulate, and it has to struggle to construct a picture of a situation that relates to what's going on in your life. It grabs a bit of resonance here and a vague allusion there and sort of cobbles them together, often quite clumsily, but also ingeniously given what it has to work with in the way of a vocabulary. A dream doesn't necessarily give you solutions. Usually all it's doing is telling you something about what's happening in your mind that you aren't consciously aware of. All IMHO, of course. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote: Doc, As you indicated, the dream may have an element of political concession or negotiation. But playing tennis at midnight is still baffling to me. We never got to play tennis. I just said that I can play with him. Then, the dream ended. I'll look up the meaning of a tennis game in a dream book filed somewhere in my library. I'll let you guys know the results tomorrow. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: I have had a similar dream (though not tennis related), back when Clinton was President - It comes from a deep longing for national unity, and the immense subconscious power that these national figures, can represent. So, who won the tennis match? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote: That was the theme of my dream last night. John Boehner, the Republican, asked me to play tennis with him at that odd hour. And, I said yes. Does anyone know how to interpret this dream?
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Vastu Housing
we are trying to keep things simple down here with our building a Yaqui Vastu dwelling. Yaqui Vastu is similar to Vedic Vastu in some respects. One thing you have to keep in mind is the stress the materials are put under during construction. This is an often overlooked element to consider. According to Yaqui Vastu principles, there should be a minimum of stress involved in the construction and in the manufacture of the material used for building. So, take the example of using brick - it's very stressful to have to generate all that heat during manufacturing. Or. take wood - very stressful to nature during the milling into lumber. That goes for nails and steel supports as well - all very stressful. The only habitation that probably doesn't involve much stress when converting to a habitat might be living inside a cave. See my previous post on the underground cement dwellings in Arizona. That's why we've decided to use cedar posts and plaster for the construction of our Yaqui dwelling - less stress. Cedar posts, fer sure! [image: Inline image 1] Cedar post construction at San Jose Mission, 1740. On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 4:43 AM, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote: built according to the ancient Indian principles of Maharishi Vedic architecture that seeks harmony with the energy of the sun and nature for the well-being of occupants. Many examples of Vedic design can be seen in Fairfield and in Maharishi Vedic City, incorporated in recent years. *http://www.desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/201311030405/OPINION01/311030029 http://www.desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/201311030405/OPINION01/311030029 * ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: *Son, if that picture was a late afternoon heading towards sunset shade I'd say those folks were rectifying their unfortunate south entries. We are told their lives will change for the better now. What is your feeling about that? Would you put more money in to meditating or vastu?* *-Buck * ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote: This is NOT my idea of vastu housing. [image: Inline image 1]
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: OMG: viveka, vivekin?
That makes sense, I guess, if you're trying to maintain a chariot. But,
it doesn't tell us much about Yoga.
There are just a few little-bitty points that I would like to clarify
concerning the your definition. In the Bhagavad Gita, which forms part
of the Mahabharata, it is the Buddhist teaching against the wickedness
of warfare which is implicitly opposed. The Bhagavad Gita is a polemic
indicating the Hindu opposition to pacifism. Though Buddhism is not
mentioned, Arjuna's initial objection to war are couched in typically
Buddhist terms. The doctrine of the imperishable Atman is used to combat
Arjuna's scruples.
Yoga - 1. the act of yoking. 2. A system taught by Patanjali and called
the Yoga philosophy; it is the second of the two Samkhya systems, its
chief aim being to teach the means by which the human spirit may attain
complete Knowledge of Ishvara or the Supreme Spirit. 3. in the practice
of meditation it is closely connected with Buddhism. 4. in Samkhya the
identity of soul with matter.
On 11/12/2013 8:26 AM, emptyb...@yahoo.com wrote:
Dukha is the opposite of sukha. Kha as in Chaos (khaos).
It literally means a bad (du) axle-hole vs good (su) axle-hole.
---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote:
Card, I can see at least 2 ways to interpret this quote. One possible
meaning is that for the person in CC, there is the infinite Self and
the finite non Self and that duality itself causes misery. OR the
person in CC realizes that all, meaning the world, is a field of
change, misery rather than of permanent bliss.
In another quote, Maharishi translates dukham as danger: avert the
danger which has not arisen. Heyam dukham anagatam.
On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 2:31 AM, cardemaister@...
cardemaister@... wrote:
According to YS II 15: [blah blah blah...]...duHkham eva sarvam
vivekinaH ... everything (sarvam) [is] only (eva) duHkha for a vivekin.
duHkha 1 mfn. (according to grammarians properly written %{duS-kha}
and said to be from %{dus} and %{kha} [cf. %{su-kha4}] ; but more
probably a Pra1kritized form for %{duH-stha} q.v.) uneasy ,
uncomfortable , unpleasant , difficult R. Hariv. (compar. %{-tara}
MBh. R.) ; n. (ifc. f. %{A}) uneasiness , pain , sorrow , trouble ,
difficulty S3Br. xiv ,
Taimni: To the people who have developed discrimination (viveka) all
is misery...
So, is a vivekin at least in CC?
Is the meaning of viveka approximately the same in yoga and
advaita-vedaanta?
[FairfieldLife] RE: Playing Tennis at Midnight
---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: No, no training. I read a book once years ago and absorbed some general principles. There's nothing even the tiniest bit authoritative about my speculations here concerning John's dream. I was just riffing on what struck me as possible keys. If they don't resonate for him, forget 'em. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: Wow, Judy, I'm speechless. It sounds like you've had training in dream analysis. Have you? How did you come to know so much about the workings of dreams? On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 8:04 AM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: Here's my wild guess: You are faced with some kind of challenge in your life. You're in the dark as to how to address it and are afraid you might make a mistake. Challenge = tennis game In the dark = midnight Mistake = Boehner (boner--the dream is punning with the spelling of the name rather than its pronunciation) It isn't a dire or violent challenge--tennis is a very civilized game. Boehner's job in real life is to mediate disputes between people, but he made mistakes in dealing with the government shutdown crisis, which reinforces the boner pun.This is probably a social challenge of some sort for you that you're not sure how to deal with. (I'm assuming that Boehner represents part of yourself that perhaps has made gaffes in the past.) My sense is that the dreaming mind generally is not very articulate, and it has to struggle to construct a picture of a situation that relates to what's going on in your life. It grabs a bit of resonance here and a vague allusion there and sort of cobbles them together, often quite clumsily, but also ingeniously given what it has to work with in the way of a vocabulary. A dream doesn't necessarily give you solutions. Usually all it's doing is telling you something about what's happening in your mind that you aren't consciously aware of. All IMHO, of course. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote: Doc, As you indicated, the dream may have an element of political concession or negotiation. But playing tennis at midnight is still baffling to me. We never got to play tennis. I just said that I can play with him. Then, the dream ended. I'll look up the meaning of a tennis game in a dream book filed somewhere in my library. I'll let you guys know the results tomorrow. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: I have had a similar dream (though not tennis related), back when Clinton was President - It comes from a deep longing for national unity, and the immense subconscious power that these national figures, can represent. So, who won the tennis match? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote: That was the theme of my dream last night. John Boehner, the Republican, asked me to play tennis with him at that odd hour. And, I said yes. Does anyone know how to interpret this dream?
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Transcendental Meditation Revolutionary Mission:
Two birds sat in a tree; one ate the fruit; another looked on. - Shvetashvatara Upanishad, 4.7 On 11/12/2013 10:03 AM, Share Long wrote: Richard, my online Calgary buddy sent me a photo this morning of a bird sipping water from a pool of water. Then I got it! The bird is real. But so is his reflection in the pool of water. But it's real as a reflection not as a 3 D bird. My whole brain feels better (-: On Monday, November 11, 2013 11:47 PM, Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote: To be accurate, Adwaita Vedanta holds that maya is not real, yet it is not unreal (in the sense that it is resented to you). An illusion is not absolutely real because it is not based on permanence, but an illusion is real because it is just false knowledge, like in a dream, or mistaking a rope for a snake. For those well versed in the Vedaanta the world is like a city of Gaandharvas - an illusion. Source: 'Gaudapada' http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaudapada On 11/11/2013 1:57 PM, anartax...@yahoo.com mailto:anartax...@yahoo.com wrote: But where did the quote come from? If Tom Egnes is the source, then Tom = Veda, and we can skip Indian literature altogether. Another version of the idea is'The world is unreal; Brahman is real; the world is Brahman'. This seems to be translation of a quotation by Shankara commenting on one of the Upanishads, but I do not know which one. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote: Xeno, I googled on brahman maya and there were lots of hits. There were also a lot of hits under brahman maya relationship. It seems to be quite controversial, some saying maya is not real and others saying it is real. And my favorite was the teacher who said it's pointless to try and understand it until one is enlightened. But I find it enjoyable to let the brain play with these ideas. On Monday, November 11, 2013 1:30 PM, Share Long sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote: I haven't figured it out. I didn't reply to you before because you resorted to name calling. On Monday, November 11, 2013 1:25 PM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote: So, Share, have you figured out where you made your mistake with OTOH in response to what I said? No? Or do you just not want to admit it? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote: Xeno, fyi, I have Hellman's REAL Mayonnaise in my frig, wouldn't use anything else for tuna fish salad! As for the quote, MUM Sanskrit professor Dr. Tom Egenes shared it with our class during the 91-92 school year when I was taking the MA in SCI. It's one of those phrases that stuck with me because it's so unexpected, paradoxical, koany, etc. Some say that maya ruled by tamas guna is a covering, ruled by rajo guma is a veil. But maya ruled by sat guna, it actually said to be a ladder to ultimate reality. Go figure (-: On Monday, November 11, 2013 12:45 PM, anartaxius@... mailto:anartaxius@... anartaxius@... mailto:anartaxius@... wrote: Does anyone here know the source of the quote My indestructible Maya? On the Internet I find just a small collection of websites, FFL principally, mentioning the phrase, but no precise source. Since Share quoted it, I assume that she is picking it out of her memory rather than from a source text. I recall the phrase, but my feeble aging brain, cannot recall where I read or otherwise heard it. Is this translated phrase from the Vedas (and which one? Rig, etc.), the Upanishads, or the Bhagavad-Gita? (in particular the MMY translation of the latter) Whether Maya is real or not, it is certainly present here on FFL. I have seen this product in refrigerators of meditators, Vegenaise, a non animal derived product purporting to replace mayonnaise. Maybe itshould be called Mayannaise instead, except people would probably confuse it with the Mayan civilisation of Central America. But then, confusion is the whole purpose of Maya. Gotta love this universe for beating us up this way.
RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: The Lord#39;s Prayer as a Mantra
Yep, as an old meditator I find that the The 23rd Psalm works good too; just translate the 'Lord' over to 'Unified Field' and, The Unified Field is my shepherd; I shall not want. It maketh me to lie down in green pastures: It leadeth me beside the still waters. It restoreth my soul: It leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for its name's sake. Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me. Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies: thou anointest my head with oil; my cup runneth over. Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life: and I will dwell in the house of the Unified Field for ever. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: Obbajee, what's happening? So good to hear from you. I miss your soul here. On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 9:07 AM, obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: I have said this one since I was a little girl. Separately, I do TM. I always go back to the lord's prayer in times of sickness, or rough times or when I stretch for hope to fulfill my desires or wish goodness upon others. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: This is quite wonderful and appropriate to bring up here. Is how I experience and feel too about the Unified Field beyond the mantra in meditation and in life. -Buck ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, martin.quickman@... wrote: Repetition of phrases and sayings can lead us into a deeper understanding of our own inner world. It stills the mind allowing meditation to bear more abundant fruits. Here this christian mantra is explained more clearly - a good short read : http://sathyasaimemories.wordpress.com/2012/06/21/the-lords-prayer-mantra-and-meanings/
[FairfieldLife] Michael Damian: New Interview on Buddha at the Gas Pump - 11/12/2013
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RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Vastu Housing
What good will come of any vastu if they are not meditators? Yaqui or Vedic. Does a better vastu bring people to meditation or does meditation bring people to better a vastu? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote: we are trying to keep things simple down here with our building a Yaqui Vastu dwelling. Yaqui Vastu is similar to Vedic Vastu in some respects. One thing you have to keep in mind is the stress the materials are put under during construction. This is an often overlooked element to consider. According to Yaqui Vastu principles, there should be a minimum of stress involved in the construction and in the manufacture of the material used for building. So, take the example of using brick - it's very stressful to have to generate all that heat during manufacturing. Or. take wood - very stressful to nature during the milling into lumber. That goes for nails and steel supports as well - all very stressful. The only habitation that probably doesn't involve much stress when converting to a habitat might be living inside a cave. See my previous post on the underground cement dwellings in Arizona. That's why we've decided to use cedar posts and plaster for the construction of our Yaqui dwelling - less stress. Cedar posts, fer sure! Cedar post construction at San Jose Mission, 1740. On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 4:43 AM, dhamiltony2k5@... mailto:dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: built according to the ancient Indian principles of Maharishi Vedic architecture that seeks harmony with the energy of the sun and nature for the well-being of occupants. Many examples of Vedic design can be seen in Fairfield and in Maharishi Vedic City, incorporated in recent years. http://www.desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/201311030405/OPINION01/311030029 http://www.desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/201311030405/OPINION01/311030029 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: Son, if that picture was a late afternoon heading towards sunset shade I'd say those folks were rectifying their unfortunate south entries. We are told their lives will change for the better now. What is your feeling about that? Would you put more money in to meditating or vastu? -Buck ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com mailto:fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote: This is NOT my idea of vastu housing.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Headline of the Day - So Far
A waitress was arrested and charged with public intoxication and loitering for having sex in the back seat of a Dodge truck down in Georgia. What is the world coming to when you can't even get drunk and have sex in the back seat of a truck? Go figure. On 11/12/2013 10:09 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: Woman busted having truck sex thinks cheeseburger is a sandal http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=tct2=ca%2F0_1_g_0_0_tgid=BNBbvm=sectionusg=AFQjCNEccREgH92hOHUE8aQxyK0T-zmSKgdid=647342285897786270cid=43982219023034ei=-1GCUrD4JqTemALsTgrt=HOMEPAGEvm=STANDARDauthuser=0url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.torontosun.com%2F2013%2F11%2F12%2Fbusted-having-truck-sex-woman-thinks-cheeseburger-is-a-sandal Toronto Sun - 10 minutes ago
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Vastu Housing
A nice Yaqui Vastu dwelling can provide shelter from the elements, such as cold wind, rain and sleet and snow, and when arranged properly according to Yaqui Quimancy principles, can provide a zone of tranquility where there is no need for a formal group meditation - meditation just comes effortlessly. Have you ever tried to get a group to meditate together sitting out in the cold wind, rain or sleet and snow? Go figure. On 11/12/2013 11:21 AM, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote: *What good will come of any vastu if they are not meditators? Yaqui or Vedic. Does a better vastu bring people to meditation or does meditation bring people to better a vastu?* ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote: we are trying to keep things simple down here with our building a Yaqui Vastu dwelling. Yaqui Vastu is similar to Vedic Vastu in some respects. One thing you have to keep in mind is the stress the materials are put under during construction. This is an often overlooked element to consider. According to Yaqui Vastu principles, there should be a minimum of stress involved in the construction and in the manufacture of the material used for building. So, take the example of using brick - it's very stressful to have to generate all that heat during manufacturing. Or. take wood - very stressful to nature during the milling into lumber. That goes for nails and steel supports as well - all very stressful. The only habitation that probably doesn't involve much stress when converting to a habitat might be living inside a cave. See my previous post on the underground cement dwellings in Arizona. That's why we've decided to use cedar posts and plaster for the construction of our Yaqui dwelling - less stress. Cedar posts, fer sure! Inline image 1 Cedar post construction at San Jose Mission, 1740. On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 4:43 AM, dhamiltony2k5@... mailto:dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: built according to the ancient Indian principles of Maharishi Vedic architecture that seeks harmony with the energy of the sun and nature for the well-being of occupants. Many examples of Vedic design can be seen in Fairfield and in Maharishi Vedic City, incorporated in recent years. *http://www.desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/201311030405/OPINION01/311030029 * ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: *Son, if that picture was a late afternoon heading towards sunset shade I'd say those folks were rectifying their unfortunate south entries. We are told their lives will change for the better now. What is your feeling about that? Would you put more money in to meditating or vastu?* *-Buck * ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com mailto:fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote: This is NOT my idea of vastu housing. Inline image 1
[FairfieldLife] Re: Headline of the Day - So Far
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams wrote: A waitress was arrested and charged with public intoxication and loitering for having sex in the back seat of a Dodge truck down in Georgia. What is the world coming to when you can't even get drunk and have sex in the back seat of a truck? Go figure. As headlines of the day go, I can do better. How 'bout: Ivy League Porn or, as Messy Nessy Chic (who as usual found this first) phrased it in her subhead: Somewhere out there is a naked photograph of Hilary Clinton http://www.messynessychic.com/2013/11/12/that-time-harvard-and-yale-too\ k-naked-photos-of-all-their-freshmen-students/ http://www.messynessychic.com/2013/11/12/that-time-harvard-and-yale-too\ k-naked-photos-of-all-their-freshmen-students/ http://www.messynessychic.com/2013/11/12/that-time-harvard-and-yale-took\ -naked-photos-of-all-their-freshmen-students/ http://www.messynessychic.com/2013/11/12/that-time-harvard-and-yale-too\ k-naked-photos-of-all-their-freshmen-students/ On 11/12/2013 10:09 AM, awoelflebater@... wrote: Woman busted having truck sex thinks cheeseburger is a sandal http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=tct2=ca%2F0_1_g_0_0_tgid=BNBbvm=s\ ectionusg=AFQjCNEccREgH92hOHUE8aQxyK0T-zmSKgdid=647342285897786270cid\ =43982219023034ei=-1GCUrD4JqTemALsTgrt=HOMEPAGEvm=STANDARDauthuser=0\ url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.torontosun.com%2F2013%2F11%2F12%2Fbusted-having-tr\ uck-sex-woman-thinks-cheeseburger-is-a-sandal Toronto Sun - 10 minutes ago
[FairfieldLife] Re: Headline of the Day - So Far
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams wrote: A waitress was arrested and charged with public intoxication and loitering for having sex in the back seat of a Dodge truck down in Georgia. What is the world coming to when you can't even get drunk and have sex in the back seat of a truck? Go figure. As headlines of the day go, I can do better. How 'bout: Ivy League Porn or, as Messy Nessy Chic (who as usual found this first) That is, first during this latest round of viral networthiness. The revelation itself is old, so I doubt Messy broke the story when she was 7. :-) phrased it in her subhead: Somewhere out there is a naked photograph of Hilary Clinton k-naked-photos-of-all-their-freshmen-students/ k-naked-photos-of-all-their-freshmen-students/ http://www.messynessychic.com/2013/11/12/that-time-harvard-and-yale-took\ \ -naked-photos-of-all-their-freshmen-students/ k-naked-photos-of-all-their-freshmen-students/ On 11/12/2013 10:09 AM, awoelflebater@ wrote: Woman busted having truck sex thinks cheeseburger is a sandal ectionusg=AFQjCNEccREgH92hOHUE8aQxyK0T-zmSKgdid=647342285897786270cid\ \ =43982219023034ei=-1GCUrD4JqTemALsTgrt=HOMEPAGEvm=STANDARDauthuser=0\ \ url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.torontosun.com%2F2013%2F11%2F12%2Fbusted-having-tr\ \ uck-sex-woman-thinks-cheeseburger-is-a-sandal Toronto Sun - 10 minutes ago
[FairfieldLife] More Watchables
After catching a promo for it on Hulu I decided to give Once Upon a Time In Wonderland a try. It started up this fall on ABC. I did like the pilot episode and has some good actors in it (John Lithgow does the voice the white rabbit). Writing isn't bad either and I see some BSG refugees writing for it. Definitely not for Buck but very thought provoking is the rental release of The Purge which takes place in a future time where once a year killing is legal to purge and cleanse the country. It is a hit on how bad things could become if you let Tea Party thinking take over (unlikely to happen). It has very much a Stepford Wives feel to it. One I haven't seen yet but I thought I might alert Turq and other Brit Marling fans is The East. It's about a woman who infiltrates an anarchist group which is fighting against big corporations and apparently has an awakening along the way. It's available for rental as well as Lovelace for those who want to relive the wild 1970s again. :-D
[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Playing Tennis at Midnight
You and I have different approaches to dream interpretation, I think (not that I spend much time on it). My sense is that dreams usually represent very mundane concerns in the dreamer's life and rarely have much reference to what's going on in the world. A dream character who is widely known in real life typically represents some quality of the dreamer. A political figure, for example, is much more likely to have to do with internal politics, such as a conflict taking place in the mind of the dreamer, than with external real-world politics. And the dreaming mind, because it can't communicate by talking, makes great use of punning and metaphors, sometimes with really obscure wordplay. It's a little like someone trying to explain something in sign language that they have to make up on the spot. It can be startlingly creative but usually in a down-to-earth way. That's why I'd take midnight to signify in the dark, meaning something you aren't seeing, rather than being a jyotish reference. Basically, the dreaming mind can't spend time refining the symbolism it uses--it doesn't plan a dream ahead of time but has to compose it on the fly--so it just grabs whatever's handy to represent whatever it's trying to communicate. And again, I don't think it provides solutions to problems so much as it alerts the dreamer to the existence of a potential problem, typically something very specific and immediate. Anyway, that's my philosophy of dream interpretation. I don't think most dreams have meanings as grand and exalted and exciting as many people expect. That's why I most likely wouldn't be much of a success as a professional dream interpreter! (On the other hand, speaking of Jersey Shore psychics, when my mother was a girl, for a lark she consulted a psychic who held forth in a little shack on the Asbury Park boardwalk. The psychic told her that the letter J would be very important in her life. As it turned out, my father's name was Jack, my sister's name is Jane, and I'm Judy.) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote: Judy, Thanks for the detailed dream analysis. I'll let you know if anything manifests in my life that resembles your interpretation in the next few days or weeks. It is logical that tennis can be interpreted as a challenge. Midnight is definitely in the dark. But it is also the opposite of noon, which typically means success in jyotish. Boehner can be interpreted as someone from another political persuasion or ideological belief since I don't consider myself a Republican. However, I did have a friend in Seattle who voted for Republican candidates. The dream probably means to be careful in taking on challenges that are beyond one's capability. You should start a sideline gig as a psychic or dream interpreter. How does Shri Judy from Jersey Shore sound to you? ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: Here's my wild guess: You are faced with some kind of challenge in your life. You're in the dark as to how to address it and are afraid you might make a mistake. Challenge = tennis game In the dark = midnight Mistake = Boehner (boner--the dream is punning with the spelling of the name rather than its pronunciation) It isn't a dire or violent challenge--tennis is a very civilized game. Boehner's job in real life is to mediate disputes between people, but he made mistakes in dealing with the government shutdown crisis, which reinforces the boner pun.This is probably a social challenge of some sort for you that you're not sure how to deal with. (I'm assuming that Boehner represents part of yourself that perhaps has made gaffes in the past.) My sense is that the dreaming mind generally is not very articulate, and it has to struggle to construct a picture of a situation that relates to what's going on in your life. It grabs a bit of resonance here and a vague allusion there and sort of cobbles them together, often quite clumsily, but also ingeniously given what it has to work with in the way of a vocabulary. A dream doesn't necessarily give you solutions. Usually all it's doing is telling you something about what's happening in your mind that you aren't consciously aware of. All IMHO, of course. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote: Doc, As you indicated, the dream may have an element of political concession or negotiation. But playing tennis at midnight is still baffling to me. We never got to play tennis. I just said that I can play with him. Then, the dream ended. I'll look up the meaning of a tennis game in a dream book filed somewhere in my library. I'll let you guys know the results tomorrow. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: I have had a similar dream (though not tennis related), back when Clinton was President - It comes from a deep longing for national unity,
[FairfieldLife] RE: hole!
Is this a fake photo creation or is it real? If real, where is this hole located? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: Speaking of synchronicity, I just received this from a non FFL buddy! http://i.imgur.com/C4X5cR4h.jpg http://i.imgur.com/C4X5cR4h.jpg
[FairfieldLife] Re: Playing Tennis at Midnight
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: (On the other hand, speaking of Jersey Shore psychics, when my mother was a girl, for a lark she consulted a psychic who held forth in a little shack on the Asbury Park boardwalk. The psychic told her that the letter J would be very important in her life. As it turned out, my father's name was Jack, my sister's name is Jane, and I'm Judy.) Think how fortunate you are that the psychic didn't tell your mother that the letter 'D' would be important in her life. Your name might have been Dudy. :-)
[FairfieldLife] RE: Re: Headline of the Day - So Far
Two years ago, Dick Cavett, who blogs for the NYTimes, had two pieces on this Posture Pictures scandal: http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/11/11/up-against-the-wall/ http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/11/11/up-against-the-wall/ http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/12/02/last-nude-column-for-now-at-least/ http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/12/02/last-nude-column-for-now-at-least/ He had had his own nude picture taken at Yale, and he used the experience as material early in his stand-up career. He quotes one of the jokes from his routine: It was cold in there and I had somehow gotten next-to-last in line in my group of embarrassed, mother-nekkid shiverers. Turning to say, 'Wish me luck' to the last guy, behind me, I caused the poor fellow to turn crimson. It was awful for both of us. I had caught him, how to say, making an effort to present a more impressive image for the camera. Blushing, he came up with, 'There was some lint on it.'” He also makes some serious points about the whole business. Worth a read. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams wrote: A waitress was arrested and charged with public intoxication and loitering for having sex in the back seat of a Dodge truck down in Georgia. What is the world coming to when you can't even get drunk and have sex in the back seat of a truck? Go figure. As headlines of the day go, I can do better. How 'bout: Ivy League Porn or, as Messy Nessy Chic (who as usual found this first) phrased it in her subhead: Somewhere out there is a naked photograph of Hilary Clinton http://www.messynessychic.com/2013/11/12/that-time-harvard-and-yale-took-naked-photos-of-all-their-freshmen-students/ http://www.messynessychic.com/2013/11/12/that-time-harvard-and-yale-took-naked-photos-of-all-their-freshmen-students/ http://www.messynessychic.com/2013/11/12/that-time-harvard-and-yale-took-naked-photos-of-all-their-freshmen-students/ http://www.messynessychic.com/2013/11/12/that-time-harvard-and-yale-took-naked-photos-of-all-their-freshmen-students/ On 11/12/2013 10:09 AM, awoelflebater@... wrote: Woman busted having truck sex thinks cheeseburger is a sandal Toronto Sun - 10 minutes ago
[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: hole!
Google image search says it's this place: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Door_to_Hell http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Door_to_Hell ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_...@yahoo.com wrote: Is this a fake photo creation or is it real? If real, where is this hole located? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: Speaking of synchronicity, I just received this from a non FFL buddy! http://i.imgur.com/C4X5cR4h.jpg http://i.imgur.com/C4X5cR4h.jpg
[FairfieldLife] RE: Re: Playing Tennis at Midnight
You mean, along with my father, Dack, and my sister, Dane? Opsie... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: (On the other hand, speaking of Jersey Shore psychics, when my mother was a girl, for a lark she consulted a psychic who held forth in a little shack on the Asbury Park boardwalk. The psychic told her that the letter J would be very important in her life. As it turned out, my father's name was Jack, my sister's name is Jane, and I'm Judy.) Think how fortunate you are that the psychic didn't tell your mother that the letter 'D' would be important in her life. Your name might have been Dudy. :-)
[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Re: Playing Tennis at Midnight
Darn! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: You mean, along with my father, Dack, and my sister, Dane? Opsie... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: (On the other hand, speaking of Jersey Shore psychics, when my mother was a girl, for a lark she consulted a psychic who held forth in a little shack on the Asbury Park boardwalk. The psychic told her that the letter J would be very important in her life. As it turned out, my father's name was Jack, my sister's name is Jane, and I'm Judy.) Think how fortunate you are that the psychic didn't tell your mother that the letter 'D' would be important in her life. Your name might have been Dudy. :-)
[FairfieldLife] RE: hole!
That was a great read. I've never heard of this Door to Hell before. This thread reminds of an incident that happened in a different forum. Since the group owner was supposedly busy, he appointed me as one of the moderators. So, I took the liberty of changing the group picture on the front page from Dore's, The Flood, to one of Michelangelo's sibyl in the Sistine Chapel. When the owner found out, he went bonkers and rescinded my my moderator status ever since. But I decided to stay on the group since the picture of the sibyl is still on the group's front page. Anyway, FWIW. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote: Google image search says it's this place: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Door_to_Hell http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Door_to_Hell ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote: Is this a fake photo creation or is it real? If real, where is this hole located? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: Speaking of synchronicity, I just received this from a non FFL buddy! http://i.imgur.com/C4X5cR4h.jpg http://i.imgur.com/C4X5cR4h.jpg
[FairfieldLife] RE: Transcendental Meditation Revolutionary Mission:
Re: The residual effect was that I taught myself how to conduct my conscious mind to see into past lives.: Look - if you and others could really access past-life information you could tell the rest of us stuff that wouldn't otherwise be explicable. The fact that you can't demonstrate such knowledge shows that your supposed recollection is a construction. I mean, think about it: if you could tell us (say) the true identity of Jack the Ripper you would get the Nobel Prize for Physics for overturning the current scientific paradigm. Who is the chap in uniform in the photo? A former incarnation of yours? There is, by the way, another explanation for past-life memories. If that knowledge could be shown to be valid it could indicate a common racial memory we all share via our DNA or God-knows-what. Did you ever come across people who said they were a different sex (gender) in a former life? ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill@... wrote: Yep, I actually have a job and have other responsibilities too. But I'm with you ... I don't believe in past lives. That's because belief is for those who cannot see directly. In the '80's I trained with a group of people in various subtle perception techniques. One facet was conducting a reader-observer in seeing past-life imprints. The residual effect was that I taught myself how to conduct my conscious mind to see into past lives. However, my interest was in learning more about past associations - particularly with the small group of 5 people I had spent a lot of time with in training. That interest was the result of an intuition that our group had significant associations in the most immediate past life - and indeed it proved to be so. We explored, singly and jointly, until the direct experiences engendered by returning to that past life (both exhilarating and terrifying) became unbearable to the other members. However, I continued on my own and even conducted other people that I knew and perceived were there/then. Thus I no longer believe in past lives. Belief is for those who cannot see directly or who cannot endure that seeing itself. BTW - this is only unusual in a Western context. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote: This thread brought out some interesting comments, thanks. I see that when I challenged emptybill on his saying: It's a job for numberless kalpas - not just one life, and I said, That depends on whether you really believe you'll be reincarnated. Do you really believe that? If so, on what authority? he never replied. H.
[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: Playing Tennis at Midnight
I wrote: (snip) And the dreaming mind, because it can't communicate by talking, makes great use of punning and metaphors, sometimes with really obscure wordplay. It's a little like someone trying to explain something in sign language that they have to make up on the spot. It can be startlingly creative but usually in a down-to-earth way. Charades. That's what it's like, the game of Charades. I knew there was something it was very similar to, but I couldn't bring it to mind when I was writing the above.
[FairfieldLife] RE: hole!
Probably not a good idea to get too close to the edge. The Wiki piece mentions that when the (mad) scientists decided to burn off the gas expectations were that the gas would burn within days, but it is still burning, more than four decades after it was set on fire. Money to burn. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote: That was a great read. I've never heard of this Door to Hell before. This thread reminds of an incident that happened in a different forum. Since the group owner was supposedly busy, he appointed me as one of the moderators. So, I took the liberty of changing the group picture on the front page from Dore's, The Flood, to one of Michelangelo's sibyl in the Sistine Chapel. When the owner found out, he went bonkers and rescinded my my moderator status ever since. But I decided to stay on the group since the picture of the sibyl is still on the group's front page. Anyway, FWIW. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote: Google image search says it's this place: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Door_to_Hell http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Door_to_Hell ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote: Is this a fake photo creation or is it real? If real, where is this hole located? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: Speaking of synchronicity, I just received this from a non FFL buddy! http://i.imgur.com/C4X5cR4h.jpg http://i.imgur.com/C4X5cR4h.jpg
[FairfieldLife] China, the New Wine Country
It will soon consume more wine than the USA. Even ex-NBA star Yao Ming has decided to join the trend by selling his expensive name brand from wines made in Northern California. http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/the-exchange/china-poised-to-overtake-the-u-s--yet-again---this-time-as-the-new-wine-country--192100163.html http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/the-exchange/china-poised-to-overtake-the-u-s--yet-again---this-time-as-the-new-wine-country--192100163.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Transcendental Meditation Revolutionary Mission:
Seraphita, my experience of knowledge of previous lives has nothing to do with my accessing it. It comes of its own accord, usually in the context of a current day relationship. Each time it has helped me understand the dynamics of that relationship. Knowledge of previous lives is one of the sidhis in Patanjali's Yoga Sutras. On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 3:23 PM, s3raph...@yahoo.com s3raph...@yahoo.com wrote: Re: The residual effect was that I taught myself how to conduct my conscious mind to see into past lives.: Look - if you and others could really access past-life information you could tell the rest of us stuff that wouldn't otherwise be explicable. The fact that you can't demonstrate such knowledge shows that your supposed recollection is a construction. I mean, think about it: if you could tell us (say) the true identity of Jack the Ripper you would get the Nobel Prize for Physics for overturning the current scientific paradigm. Who is the chap in uniform in the photo? A former incarnation of yours? There is, by the way, another explanation for past-life memories. If that knowledge could be shown to be valid it could indicate a common racial memory we all share via our DNA or God-knows-what. Did you ever come across people who said they were a different sex (gender) in a former life? ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill@... wrote: Yep, I actually have a job and have other responsibilities too. But I'm with you ... I don't believe in past lives. That's because belief is for those who cannot see directly. In the '80's I trained with a group of people in various subtle perception techniques. One facet was conducting a reader-observer in seeing past-life imprints. The residual effect was that I taught myself how to conduct my conscious mind to see into past lives. However, my interest was in learning more about past associations - particularly with the small group of 5 people I had spent a lot of time with in training. That interest was the result of an intuition that our group had significant associations in the most immediate past life - and indeed it proved to be so. We explored, singly and jointly, until the direct experiences engendered by returning to that past life (both exhilarating and terrifying) became unbearable to the other members. However, I continued on my own and even conducted other people that I knew and perceived were there/then. Thus I no longer believe in past lives. Belief is for those who cannot see directly or who cannot endure that seeing itself. BTW - this is only unusual in a Western context. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote: This thread brought out some interesting comments, thanks. I see that when I challenged emptybill on his saying: It's a job for numberless kalpas - not just one life, and I said, That depends on whether you really believe you'll be reincarnated. Do you really believe that? If so, on what authority? he never replied. H.
RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Transcendental Meditation Revolutionary Mission:
There's a highly sceptical account of past-life regression on Wiki. (I wonder how some of these Wiki entries aren't challenged by those who beg to differ.) The conclusion is: scientific consensus is that the memories are the result of cryptomnesia, narratives created by the subconscious mind using imagination, forgotten information and suggestions from the therapist. I have often thought, though, that past-life regression therapy would be a shoo-in for a horror-movie plot. The sinister hypno-therapist who comes up with a criminal scheme to exploit a victim by persuading him that he had lived a particular life in a previous existence . . . H. Is there an email address where people can pitch film ideas to Hollywood producers? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Past_life_regression http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Past_life_regression ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: Seraphita, my experience of knowledge of previous lives has nothing to do with my accessing it. It comes of its own accord, usually in the context of a current day relationship. Each time it has helped me understand the dynamics of that relationship. Knowledge of previous lives is one of the sidhis in Patanjali's Yoga Sutras. On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 3:23 PM, s3raphita@... s3raphita@... wrote: Re: The residual effect was that I taught myself how to conduct my conscious mind to see into past lives.: Look - if you and others could really access past-life information you could tell the rest of us stuff that wouldn't otherwise be explicable. The fact that you can't demonstrate such knowledge shows that your supposed recollection is a construction. I mean, think about it: if you could tell us (say) the true identity of Jack the Ripper you would get the Nobel Prize for Physics for overturning the current scientific paradigm. Who is the chap in uniform in the photo? A former incarnation of yours? There is, by the way, another explanation for past-life memories. If that knowledge could be shown to be valid it could indicate a common racial memory we all share via our DNA or God-knows-what. Did you ever come across people who said they were a different sex (gender) in a former life? ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill@... wrote: Yep, I actually have a job and have other responsibilities too. But I'm with you ... I don't believe in past lives. That's because belief is for those who cannot see directly. In the '80's I trained with a group of people in various subtle perception techniques. One facet was conducting a reader-observer in seeing past-life imprints. The residual effect was that I taught myself how to conduct my conscious mind to see into past lives. However, my interest was in learning more about past associations - particularly with the small group of 5 people I had spent a lot of time with in training. That interest was the result of an intuition that our group had significant associations in the most immediate past life - and indeed it proved to be so. We explored, singly and jointly, until the direct experiences engendered by returning to that past life (both exhilarating and terrifying) became unbearable to the other members. However, I continued on my own and even conducted other people that I knew and perceived were there/then. Thus I no longer believe in past lives. Belief is for those who cannot see directly or who cannot endure that seeing itself. BTW - this is only unusual in a Western context. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote: This thread brought out some interesting comments, thanks. I see that when I challenged emptybill on his saying: It's a job for numberless kalpas - not just one life, and I said, That depends on whether you really believe you'll be reincarnated. Do you really believe that? If so, on what authority? he never replied. H.
RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Transcendental Meditation Revolutionary Mission:
How do you know they weren't challenged, but the challenges were overruled? Do you ever click the Talk tab at the top of a Wikipedia page to read the discussions among the editors? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote: There's a highly sceptical account of past-life regression on Wiki. (I wonder how some of these Wiki entries aren't challenged by those who beg to differ.) The conclusion is: scientific consensus is that the memories are the result of cryptomnesia, narratives created by the subconscious mind using imagination, forgotten information and suggestions from the therapist. I have often thought, though, that past-life regression therapy would be a shoo-in for a horror-movie plot. The sinister hypno-therapist who comes up with a criminal scheme to exploit a victim by persuading him that he had lived a particular life in a previous existence . . . H. Is there an email address where people can pitch film ideas to Hollywood producers? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Past_life_regression http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Past_life_regression ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: Seraphita, my experience of knowledge of previous lives has nothing to do with my accessing it. It comes of its own accord, usually in the context of a current day relationship. Each time it has helped me understand the dynamics of that relationship. Knowledge of previous lives is one of the sidhis in Patanjali's Yoga Sutras. On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 3:23 PM, s3raphita@... s3raphita@... wrote: Re: The residual effect was that I taught myself how to conduct my conscious mind to see into past lives.: Look - if you and others could really access past-life information you could tell the rest of us stuff that wouldn't otherwise be explicable. The fact that you can't demonstrate such knowledge shows that your supposed recollection is a construction. I mean, think about it: if you could tell us (say) the true identity of Jack the Ripper you would get the Nobel Prize for Physics for overturning the current scientific paradigm. Who is the chap in uniform in the photo? A former incarnation of yours? There is, by the way, another explanation for past-life memories. If that knowledge could be shown to be valid it could indicate a common racial memory we all share via our DNA or God-knows-what. Did you ever come across people who said they were a different sex (gender) in a former life? ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill@... wrote: Yep, I actually have a job and have other responsibilities too. But I'm with you ... I don't believe in past lives. That's because belief is for those who cannot see directly. In the '80's I trained with a group of people in various subtle perception techniques. One facet was conducting a reader-observer in seeing past-life imprints. The residual effect was that I taught myself how to conduct my conscious mind to see into past lives. However, my interest was in learning more about past associations - particularly with the small group of 5 people I had spent a lot of time with in training. That interest was the result of an intuition that our group had significant associations in the most immediate past life - and indeed it proved to be so. We explored, singly and jointly, until the direct experiences engendered by returning to that past life (both exhilarating and terrifying) became unbearable to the other members. However, I continued on my own and even conducted other people that I knew and perceived were there/then. Thus I no longer believe in past lives. Belief is for those who cannot see directly or who cannot endure that seeing itself. BTW - this is only unusual in a Western context. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote: This thread brought out some interesting comments, thanks. I see that when I challenged emptybill on his saying: It's a job for numberless kalpas - not just one life, and I said, That depends on whether you really believe you'll be reincarnated. Do you really believe that? If so, on what authority? he never replied. H.
Re: [FairfieldLife] More Watchables
Gettin' ready to watch Slingblade again, haven't seen it in a while. On Tue, 11/12/13, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] More Watchables To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, November 12, 2013, 7:51 PM After catching a promo for it on Hulu I decided to give Once Upon a Time In Wonderland a try. It started up this fall on ABC. I did like the pilot episode and has some good actors in it (John Lithgow does the voice the white rabbit). Writing isn't bad either and I see some BSG refugees writing for it. Definitely not for Buck but very thought provoking is the rental release of The Purge which takes place in a future time where once a year killing is legal to purge and cleanse the country. It is a hit on how bad things could become if you let Tea Party thinking take over (unlikely to happen). It has very much a Stepford Wives feel to it. One I haven't seen yet but I thought I might alert Turq and other Brit Marling fans is The East. It's about a woman who infiltrates an anarchist group which is fighting against big corporations and apparently has an awakening along the way. It's available for rental as well as Lovelace for those who want to relive the wild 1970s again. :-D
[FairfieldLife] RE: Transcendental Meditation Revolutionary Mission:
Re How do you know they weren't challenged, but the challenges were overruled? Do you ever click the Talk tab at the top of a Wikipedia page to read the discussions among the editors?: No - I hadn't noticed the Talk tab before! I've learned something new. Having clicked on said tab I see one (would-be) contributor says . . . I made some additions and changes to this very one-sided and skeptic/negative article (see history). They were deleted very fast (3 minutes) and without any comment . . . so clearly the sceptics/skeptics are in the dominant position on this topic. This is the key problem with Wikipedia: who finally has the upper hand in these disputes? I give Wiki credit though for at least letting us see the debates going on behind the scenes. With other encyclopedias it's more like Moses coming down the mountain with the engraved tablets. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: How do you know they weren't challenged, but the challenges were overruled? Do you ever click the Talk tab at the top of a Wikipedia page to read the discussions among the editors? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote: There's a highly sceptical account of past-life regression on Wiki. (I wonder how some of these Wiki entries aren't challenged by those who beg to differ.) The conclusion is: scientific consensus is that the memories are the result of cryptomnesia, narratives created by the subconscious mind using imagination, forgotten information and suggestions from the therapist. I have often thought, though, that past-life regression therapy would be a shoo-in for a horror-movie plot. The sinister hypno-therapist who comes up with a criminal scheme to exploit a victim by persuading him that he had lived a particular life in a previous existence . . . H. Is there an email address where people can pitch film ideas to Hollywood producers? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Past_life_regression http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Past_life_regression ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: Seraphita, my experience of knowledge of previous lives has nothing to do with my accessing it. It comes of its own accord, usually in the context of a current day relationship. Each time it has helped me understand the dynamics of that relationship. Knowledge of previous lives is one of the sidhis in Patanjali's Yoga Sutras. On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 3:23 PM, s3raphita@... s3raphita@... wrote: Re: The residual effect was that I taught myself how to conduct my conscious mind to see into past lives.: Look - if you and others could really access past-life information you could tell the rest of us stuff that wouldn't otherwise be explicable. The fact that you can't demonstrate such knowledge shows that your supposed recollection is a construction. I mean, think about it: if you could tell us (say) the true identity of Jack the Ripper you would get the Nobel Prize for Physics for overturning the current scientific paradigm. Who is the chap in uniform in the photo? A former incarnation of yours? There is, by the way, another explanation for past-life memories. If that knowledge could be shown to be valid it could indicate a common racial memory we all share via our DNA or God-knows-what. Did you ever come across people who said they were a different sex (gender) in a former life? ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill@... wrote: Yep, I actually have a job and have other responsibilities too. But I'm with you ... I don't believe in past lives. That's because belief is for those who cannot see directly. In the '80's I trained with a group of people in various subtle perception techniques. One facet was conducting a reader-observer in seeing past-life imprints. The residual effect was that I taught myself how to conduct my conscious mind to see into past lives. However, my interest was in learning more about past associations - particularly with the small group of 5 people I had spent a lot of time with in training. That interest was the result of an intuition that our group had significant associations in the most immediate past life - and indeed it proved to be so. We explored, singly and jointly, until the direct experiences engendered by returning to that past life (both exhilarating and terrifying) became unbearable to the other members. However, I continued on my own and even conducted other people that I knew and perceived were there/then. Thus I no longer believe in past lives. Belief is for those who cannot see directly or who cannot endure that seeing itself. BTW - this is only unusual in a Western context. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote: This thread brought out some interesting comments, thanks. I see that when I challenged emptybill on his saying:
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[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Transcendental Meditation Revolutionary Mission:
Seraphita wrote: Re How do you know they weren't challenged, but the challenges were overruled? Do you ever click the Talk tab at the top of a Wikipedia page to read the discussions among the editors?: No - I hadn't noticed the Talk tab before! I've learned something new. Having clicked on said tab I see one (would-be) contributor says . . . I made some additions and changes to this very one-sided and skeptic/negative article (see history). They were deleted very fast (3 minutes) and without any comment . . . so clearly the sceptics/skeptics are in the dominant position on this topic. I don't know that that single example indicates this clearly. There's a lot of stuff on that Talk page, but I'm not inclined to go through it. There are senior editors who have more authority than pipsqueaks who decide they're going to pop in and change things around their way; they don't usually get very far unless they have very solid documentation. But well-informed, careful folks with good sources and a convincing argument can often make a difference. On a controversial topic, balance is considered a virtue. This is the key problem with Wikipedia: who finally has the upper hand in these disputes? I give Wiki credit though for at least letting us see the debates going on behind the scenes. Sometimes the debates can be excruciating and endless, with some particularly acrimonious disputes being spun off to be adjudicated by a more authoritative body. In many cases who wins depends on who can dig up the best evidence, but that isn't always cut-and-dried. Wikipedia has elaborate rules about what kinds of sources are acceptable, and those rules are also subject to debate as to whether they apply in specific cases. I don't have the patience to participate, but I do often look at Talk pages on controversial topics. You really have to be pretty dedicated to deal with it all. It's quite a subculture. With other encyclopedias it's more like Moses coming down the mountain with the engraved tablets. Which some prefer, I guess. I think Wikipedia's existence is not far short of a miracle. It's certainly not perfect, but it would be hard to live without at this point, IMHO. Some here whose opinions and/or facts have been challenged based on information gleaned from Wikipedia tend to disparage it, but that's more because they don't like being challenged than because they have genuine complaints about its reliability. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: How do you know they weren't challenged, but the challenges were overruled? Do you ever click the Talk tab at the top of a Wikipedia page to read the discussions among the editors? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote: There's a highly sceptical account of past-life regression on Wiki. (I wonder how some of these Wiki entries aren't challenged by those who beg to differ.) The conclusion is: scientific consensus is that the memories are the result of cryptomnesia, narratives created by the subconscious mind using imagination, forgotten information and suggestions from the therapist. I have often thought, though, that past-life regression therapy would be a shoo-in for a horror-movie plot. The sinister hypno-therapist who comes up with a criminal scheme to exploit a victim by persuading him that he had lived a particular life in a previous existence . . . H. Is there an email address where people can pitch film ideas to Hollywood producers? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Past_life_regression http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Past_life_regression
[FairfieldLife] Ezekiel#39;s Vision of the Mystic Wheel
by Fra Angelico, 1450: http://www.museumsyndicate.com/images/1/1453.jpg http://www.museumsyndicate.com/images/1/1453.jpg
[FairfieldLife] Fresco of Elijah from Rila Monastery
Rila Monastery, Bulgaria - fresco: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a8/SaintIliaFromRilaMonastery.jpg http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a8/SaintIliaFromRilaMonastery.jpg
[FairfieldLife] RE: Transcendental Meditation Revolutionary Mission:
Seraph A very funny reply. Nothing so good as It can't happen here! or God didn't say that in the Bible. Go have another hot toddy - it'll prove everything false except the hot toddy. Just think I'm the Big Self and I don't need such bullshit. You'll be feelin' high and mighty soon enough. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote: Re: The residual effect was that I taught myself how to conduct my conscious mind to see into past lives.: Look - if you and others could really access past-life information you could tell the rest of us stuff that wouldn't otherwise be explicable. The fact that you can't demonstrate such knowledge shows that your supposed recollection is a construction. I mean, think about it: if you could tell us (say) the true identity of Jack the Ripper you would get the Nobel Prize for Physics for overturning the current scientific paradigm. Who is the chap in uniform in the photo? A former incarnation of yours? There is, by the way, another explanation for past-life memories. If that knowledge could be shown to be valid it could indicate a common racial memory we all share via our DNA or God-knows-what. Did you ever come across people who said they were a different sex (gender) in a former life? ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill@... wrote: Yep, I actually have a job and have other responsibilities too. But I'm with you ... I don't believe in past lives. That's because belief is for those who cannot see directly. In the '80's I trained with a group of people in various subtle perception techniques. One facet was conducting a reader-observer in seeing past-life imprints. The residual effect was that I taught myself how to conduct my conscious mind to see into past lives. However, my interest was in learning more about past associations - particularly with the small group of 5 people I had spent a lot of time with in training. That interest was the result of an intuition that our group had significant associations in the most immediate past life - and indeed it proved to be so. We explored, singly and jointly, until the direct experiences engendered by returning to that past life (both exhilarating and terrifying) became unbearable to the other members. However, I continued on my own and even conducted other people that I knew and perceived were there/then. Thus I no longer believe in past lives. Belief is for those who cannot see directly or who cannot endure that seeing itself. BTW - this is only unusual in a Western context. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote: This thread brought out some interesting comments, thanks. I see that when I challenged emptybill on his saying: It's a job for numberless kalpas - not just one life, and I said, That depends on whether you really believe you'll be reincarnated. Do you really believe that? If so, on what authority? he never replied. H.
[FairfieldLife] RE: Transcendental Meditation Revolutionary Mission:
Seraphita, I'm not sure Empty liked your funny reply - I did. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill@... wrote: Seraph A very funny reply. Nothing so good as It can't happen here! or God didn't say that in the Bible. Go have another hot toddy - it'll prove everything false except the hot toddy. Just think I'm the Big Self and I don't need such bullshit. You'll be feelin' high and mighty soon enough. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote: Re: The residual effect was that I taught myself how to conduct my conscious mind to see into past lives.: Look - if you and others could really access past-life information you could tell the rest of us stuff that wouldn't otherwise be explicable. The fact that you can't demonstrate such knowledge shows that your supposed recollection is a construction. I mean, think about it: if you could tell us (say) the true identity of Jack the Ripper you would get the Nobel Prize for Physics for overturning the current scientific paradigm. Who is the chap in uniform in the photo? A former incarnation of yours? There is, by the way, another explanation for past-life memories. If that knowledge could be shown to be valid it could indicate a common racial memory we all share via our DNA or God-knows-what. Did you ever come across people who said they were a different sex (gender) in a former life? ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill@... wrote: Yep, I actually have a job and have other responsibilities too. But I'm with you ... I don't believe in past lives. That's because belief is for those who cannot see directly. In the '80's I trained with a group of people in various subtle perception techniques. One facet was conducting a reader-observer in seeing past-life imprints. The residual effect was that I taught myself how to conduct my conscious mind to see into past lives. However, my interest was in learning more about past associations - particularly with the small group of 5 people I had spent a lot of time with in training. That interest was the result of an intuition that our group had significant associations in the most immediate past life - and indeed it proved to be so. We explored, singly and jointly, until the direct experiences engendered by returning to that past life (both exhilarating and terrifying) became unbearable to the other members. However, I continued on my own and even conducted other people that I knew and perceived were there/then. Thus I no longer believe in past lives. Belief is for those who cannot see directly or who cannot endure that seeing itself. BTW - this is only unusual in a Western context. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote: This thread brought out some interesting comments, thanks. I see that when I challenged emptybill on his saying: It's a job for numberless kalpas - not just one life, and I said, That depends on whether you really believe you'll be reincarnated. Do you really believe that? If so, on what authority? he never replied. H.
[FairfieldLife] RE: Re: Holy Hell: A Memoir of Faith, Devotion, and Pure Madness
Emily, I have just purchased the book and it looks like a good read. I know really nothing about Amma other than what I have read about her here at FFL. Having emerged from a cult experience myself I will be looking forward to seeing what the author has to say. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: Emily, did you find that reading this book shed some light on the experiences you and your daughters had when you went to see Amma in person? On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 1:39 AM, emilymaenot@... emilymaenot@... wrote: I would suggest this book by Gayatri (Gail) to any Amma devotees or followers or those that attend just for hugs. It's easily read in two days and is written sincerely and truthfully and fairly.
[FairfieldLife] RE: OMG: viveka, vivekin?
Musta meant axle-rod.
---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
wrote:
Dukha is the opposite of sukha. Kha as in Chaos (khaos).
It literally means a bad (du) axle-hole vs good (su) axle-hole.
Who exactly are you calling an axle-hole? :-)
---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com mailto:fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,
sharelong60@ wrote:
Card, I can see at least 2 ways to interpret this quote. One possible
meaning is that for the person in CC, there is the infinite Self and the
finite non Self and that duality itself causes misery. OR the person in
CC realizes that all, meaning the world, is a field of change, misery
rather than of permanent bliss.
In another quote, Maharishi translates dukham as danger: avert the
danger which has not arisen. Heyam dukham anagatam.
On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 2:31 AM, cardemaister@ cardemaister@
wrote:
According to YS II 15: [blah blah blah...]...duHkham eva sarvam
vivekinaH ... everything (sarvam) [is] only (eva) duHkha for a vivekin.
duHkha 1 mfn. (according to grammarians properly written %{duS-kha}
and said to be from %{dus} and %{kha} [cf. %{su-kha4}] ; but more
probably a Pra1kritized form for %{duH-stha} q.v.) uneasy ,
uncomfortable , unpleasant , difficult R. Hariv. (compar. %{-tara} MBh.
R.) ; n. (ifc. f. %{A}) uneasiness , pain , sorrow , trouble ,
difficulty S3Br. xiv ,
Taimni: To the people who have developed discrimination (viveka) all
is misery...
So, is a vivekin at least in CC?
Is the meaning of viveka approximately the same in yoga and
advaita-vedaanta?
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: OMG: viveka, vivekin?
Well, empty, good to keep those rods and holes connected, imho
On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 8:48 PM, emptyb...@yahoo.com
emptyb...@yahoo.com wrote:
Musta meant axle-rod.
---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote:
Dukha is the opposite of sukha. Kha as in Chaos (khaos).
It literally means a bad (du) axle-hole vs good (su) axle-hole.
Who exactly are you calling an axle-hole? :-)
---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@ wrote:
Card, I can see at least 2 ways to interpret this quote. One possible
meaning is that for the person in CC, there is the infinite Self and the
finite non Self and that duality itself causes misery. OR the person in
CC realizes that all, meaning the world, is a field of change, misery
rather than of permanent bliss.
In another quote, Maharishi translates dukham as danger: avert the
danger which has not arisen. Heyam dukham anagatam.
On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 2:31 AM, cardemaister@ cardemaister@
wrote:
According to YS II 15: [blah blah blah...]...duHkham eva sarvam
vivekinaH ... everything (sarvam) [is] only (eva) duHkha for a vivekin.
duHkha 1 mfn. (according to grammarians properly written %{duS-kha}
and said to be from %{dus} and %{kha} [cf. %{su-kha4}] ; but more
probably a Pra1kritized form for %{duH-stha} q.v.) uneasy ,
uncomfortable , unpleasant , difficult R. Hariv. (compar. %{-tara} MBh.
R.) ; n. (ifc. f. %{A}) uneasiness , pain , sorrow , trouble ,
difficulty S3Br. xiv ,
Taimni: To the people who have developed discrimination (viveka) all
is misery...
So, is a vivekin at least in CC?
Is the meaning of viveka approximately the same in yoga and
advaita-vedaanta?
[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Re: Holy Hell: A Memoir of Faith, Devotion, and Pure Madness
She wrote it largely to facilitate her healing process and it isn't a comprehensive look at the Amma organization, but it blows the lid off of Amma as the hugging saint or saint in any respect, in ways that would create the need for one to engage in some serious mind-bending denial to continue to see her (particularly as a hanger-on). Well, I guess I just gave it a review of sorts, but pay no attention. I like stories of people and their lives. Smile. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote: Emily, I have just purchased the book and it looks like a good read. I know really nothing about Amma other than what I have read about her here at FFL. Having emerged from a cult experience myself I will be looking forward to seeing what the author has to say. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: Emily, did you find that reading this book shed some light on the experiences you and your daughters had when you went to see Amma in person? On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 1:39 AM, emilymaenot@... emilymaenot@... wrote: I would suggest this book by Gayatri (Gail) to any Amma devotees or followers or those that attend just for hugs. It's easily read in two days and is written sincerely and truthfully and fairly.
RE: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Transcendental Meditation Revolutionary Mission:
I learned something new also; that's pretty interesting and it is right in front of our noses. I just read the Talk on the Mata Amritanandamayi Wiki article. Pretty humorous (just the creepy aspect of my humor showing itself). ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: How do you know they weren't challenged, but the challenges were overruled? Do you ever click the Talk tab at the top of a Wikipedia page to read the discussions among the editors? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote: There's a highly sceptical account of past-life regression on Wiki. (I wonder how some of these Wiki entries aren't challenged by those who beg to differ.) The conclusion is: scientific consensus is that the memories are the result of cryptomnesia, narratives created by the subconscious mind using imagination, forgotten information and suggestions from the therapist. I have often thought, though, that past-life regression therapy would be a shoo-in for a horror-movie plot. The sinister hypno-therapist who comes up with a criminal scheme to exploit a victim by persuading him that he had lived a particular life in a previous existence . . . H. Is there an email address where people can pitch film ideas to Hollywood producers? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Past_life_regression http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Past_life_regression ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: Seraphita, my experience of knowledge of previous lives has nothing to do with my accessing it. It comes of its own accord, usually in the context of a current day relationship. Each time it has helped me understand the dynamics of that relationship. Knowledge of previous lives is one of the sidhis in Patanjali's Yoga Sutras. On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 3:23 PM, s3raphita@... s3raphita@... wrote: Re: The residual effect was that I taught myself how to conduct my conscious mind to see into past lives.: Look - if you and others could really access past-life information you could tell the rest of us stuff that wouldn't otherwise be explicable. The fact that you can't demonstrate such knowledge shows that your supposed recollection is a construction. I mean, think about it: if you could tell us (say) the true identity of Jack the Ripper you would get the Nobel Prize for Physics for overturning the current scientific paradigm. Who is the chap in uniform in the photo? A former incarnation of yours? There is, by the way, another explanation for past-life memories. If that knowledge could be shown to be valid it could indicate a common racial memory we all share via our DNA or God-knows-what. Did you ever come across people who said they were a different sex (gender) in a former life? ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill@... wrote: Yep, I actually have a job and have other responsibilities too. But I'm with you ... I don't believe in past lives. That's because belief is for those who cannot see directly. In the '80's I trained with a group of people in various subtle perception techniques. One facet was conducting a reader-observer in seeing past-life imprints. The residual effect was that I taught myself how to conduct my conscious mind to see into past lives. However, my interest was in learning more about past associations - particularly with the small group of 5 people I had spent a lot of time with in training. That interest was the result of an intuition that our group had significant associations in the most immediate past life - and indeed it proved to be so. We explored, singly and jointly, until the direct experiences engendered by returning to that past life (both exhilarating and terrifying) became unbearable to the other members. However, I continued on my own and even conducted other people that I knew and perceived were there/then. Thus I no longer believe in past lives. Belief is for those who cannot see directly or who cannot endure that seeing itself. BTW - this is only unusual in a Western context. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote: This thread brought out some interesting comments, thanks. I see that when I challenged emptybill on his saying: It's a job for numberless kalpas - not just one life, and I said, That depends on whether you really believe you'll be reincarnated. Do you really believe that? If so, on what authority? he never replied. H.
[FairfieldLife] Hitler - our part in his rise
Hitler preferred a curly Prussian style moustache but was ordered to clip it during WWI so that it would fit under the gas masks introduced to defend against British mustard-gas attacks. Didn't save the bastard though: he was blinded in a Brit gas attack in 1918. http://tinyurl.com/bnmsjr http://tinyurl.com/bnmsjr
[FairfieldLife] RE: Transcendental Meditation Revolutionary Mission:
Re: Seraphita, I'm not sure Empty liked your funny reply - I did.: Yes, and I was genuinely curious about the uniform. Anyone recognise its nationality? Looks eastern European to me - so probably a New York fireman! Re emptybill's: Just think I'm the Big Self and I don't need such bullshit. : Just *thinking* you are the Self doesn't cut it - that would be a concept. You have to *see* that you're the Self. Admittedly only the enlightened experience that as a permanent state but I'm sure most FFLifers have had glimpses. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote: Seraphita, I'm not sure Empty liked your funny reply - I did. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill@... wrote: Seraph A very funny reply. Nothing so good as It can't happen here! or God didn't say that in the Bible. Go have another hot toddy - it'll prove everything false except the hot toddy. Just think I'm the Big Self and I don't need such bullshit. You'll be feelin' high and mighty soon enough. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote: Re: The residual effect was that I taught myself how to conduct my conscious mind to see into past lives.: Look - if you and others could really access past-life information you could tell the rest of us stuff that wouldn't otherwise be explicable. The fact that you can't demonstrate such knowledge shows that your supposed recollection is a construction. I mean, think about it: if you could tell us (say) the true identity of Jack the Ripper you would get the Nobel Prize for Physics for overturning the current scientific paradigm. Who is the chap in uniform in the photo? A former incarnation of yours? There is, by the way, another explanation for past-life memories. If that knowledge could be shown to be valid it could indicate a common racial memory we all share via our DNA or God-knows-what. Did you ever come across people who said they were a different sex (gender) in a former life? ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill@... wrote: Yep, I actually have a job and have other responsibilities too. But I'm with you ... I don't believe in past lives. That's because belief is for those who cannot see directly. In the '80's I trained with a group of people in various subtle perception techniques. One facet was conducting a reader-observer in seeing past-life imprints. The residual effect was that I taught myself how to conduct my conscious mind to see into past lives. However, my interest was in learning more about past associations - particularly with the small group of 5 people I had spent a lot of time with in training. That interest was the result of an intuition that our group had significant associations in the most immediate past life - and indeed it proved to be so. We explored, singly and jointly, until the direct experiences engendered by returning to that past life (both exhilarating and terrifying) became unbearable to the other members. However, I continued on my own and even conducted other people that I knew and perceived were there/then. Thus I no longer believe in past lives. Belief is for those who cannot see directly or who cannot endure that seeing itself. BTW - this is only unusual in a Western context. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote: This thread brought out some interesting comments, thanks. I see that when I challenged emptybill on his saying: It's a job for numberless kalpas - not just one life, and I said, That depends on whether you really believe you'll be reincarnated. Do you really believe that? If so, on what authority? he never replied. H.
[FairfieldLife] RE: Re: Holy Hell: A Memoir of Faith, Devotion, and Pure Madness
Hmmm, I would be interested to compare the experience of those who had been around Amma with what the author is going to reveal in her book. I would also like to know if what the author says resonates in any way or form with what someone who approaches Amma openly and sincerely would have to say about their experience with/of her. Everyone is different and their filtering/perception mechanism is different from those possessed by others. I would love to know how I would feel in her presence, receiving her touch and then compare it with Gail Tredwell's story and why and how she decided she wanted to move away from Amma. Anyone want to read the book and let me know about this, especially if you have spent time with her? ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote: She wrote it largely to facilitate her healing process and it isn't a comprehensive look at the Amma organization, but it blows the lid off of Amma as the hugging saint or saint in any respect, in ways that would create the need for one to engage in some serious mind-bending denial to continue to see her (particularly as a hanger-on). Well, I guess I just gave it a review of sorts, but pay no attention. I like stories of people and their lives. Smile. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote: Emily, I have just purchased the book and it looks like a good read. I know really nothing about Amma other than what I have read about her here at FFL. Having emerged from a cult experience myself I will be looking forward to seeing what the author has to say. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: Emily, did you find that reading this book shed some light on the experiences you and your daughters had when you went to see Amma in person? On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 1:39 AM, emilymaenot@... emilymaenot@... wrote: I would suggest this book by Gayatri (Gail) to any Amma devotees or followers or those that attend just for hugs. It's easily read in two days and is written sincerely and truthfully and fairly.
[FairfieldLife] RE: OMG: viveka, vivekin?
---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
wrote:
Dukha is the opposite of sukha. Kha as in Chaos (khaos).
It literally means a bad (du) axle-hole vs good (su) axle-hole.
Who exactly are you calling an axle-hole? :-)
Barry, you may be human after all, and funny at that.
---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com mailto:fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,
sharelong60@ wrote:
Card, I can see at least 2 ways to interpret this quote. One possible
meaning is that for the person in CC, there is the infinite Self and the
finite non Self and that duality itself causes misery. OR the person in
CC realizes that all, meaning the world, is a field of change, misery
rather than of permanent bliss.
In another quote, Maharishi translates dukham as danger: avert the
danger which has not arisen. Heyam dukham anagatam.
On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 2:31 AM, cardemaister@ cardemaister@
wrote:
According to YS II 15: [blah blah blah...]...duHkham eva sarvam
vivekinaH ... everything (sarvam) [is] only (eva) duHkha for a vivekin.
duHkha 1 mfn. (according to grammarians properly written %{duS-kha}
and said to be from %{dus} and %{kha} [cf. %{su-kha4}] ; but more
probably a Pra1kritized form for %{duH-stha} q.v.) uneasy ,
uncomfortable , unpleasant , difficult R. Hariv. (compar. %{-tara} MBh.
R.) ; n. (ifc. f. %{A}) uneasiness , pain , sorrow , trouble ,
difficulty S3Br. xiv ,
Taimni: To the people who have developed discrimination (viveka) all
is misery...
So, is a vivekin at least in CC?
Is the meaning of viveka approximately the same in yoga and
advaita-vedaanta?
[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Re: Holy Hell: A Memoir of Faith, Devotion, and Pure Madness
I only spent 3 days and just one time (although it was enough for me to spend hours on the internet to reconcile my reality and that of my children's with the experience and the experience of the family I went with and to feel compelled to write up my story for a post in the process). I think Rick or Ravi or maybe Share? could take you up on this, but I don't want to start any drama. It is a good story and it represents 20 years of her life and I respect it and her fully. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote: Hmmm, I would be interested to compare the experience of those who had been around Amma with what the author is going to reveal in her book. I would also like to know if what the author says resonates in any way or form with what someone who approaches Amma openly and sincerely would have to say about their experience with/of her. Everyone is different and their filtering/perception mechanism is different from those possessed by others. I would love to know how I would feel in her presence, receiving her touch and then compare it with Gail Tredwell's story and why and how she decided she wanted to move away from Amma. Anyone want to read the book and let me know about this, especially if you have spent time with her? ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote: She wrote it largely to facilitate her healing process and it isn't a comprehensive look at the Amma organization, but it blows the lid off of Amma as the hugging saint or saint in any respect, in ways that would create the need for one to engage in some serious mind-bending denial to continue to see her (particularly as a hanger-on). Well, I guess I just gave it a review of sorts, but pay no attention. I like stories of people and their lives. Smile. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote: Emily, I have just purchased the book and it looks like a good read. I know really nothing about Amma other than what I have read about her here at FFL. Having emerged from a cult experience myself I will be looking forward to seeing what the author has to say. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: Emily, did you find that reading this book shed some light on the experiences you and your daughters had when you went to see Amma in person? On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 1:39 AM, emilymaenot@... emilymaenot@... wrote: I would suggest this book by Gayatri (Gail) to any Amma devotees or followers or those that attend just for hugs. It's easily read in two days and is written sincerely and truthfully and fairly.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Playing Tennis at Midnight
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: You mean, along with my father, Dack, and my sister, Dane? Opsie... Surely even Judy can't be so stupid as to have not gotten this. I was merely making a joke based on the likelihood that her mother was simply young and impressionable and thus easily pre-programmed by a psychic suggesting that the letter J would be important in her life. She *did*, after all, remember this story and tell it for years or decades afterwards, right? So it's likely that it made an impression and then, possibly subconsciously years later, she met a guy and his name started with J and she thought, Wow...I should pay attention to this. Right? And when later choosing baby names, the letter J also popped subconsciously to mind. It wasn't an insult, Judy, merely a more reasonable explan- ation for how psychics can be right sometimes. It's more of a matter of self-fulfilling prophecies than it is seeing. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: (On the other hand, speaking of Jersey Shore psychics, when my mother was a girl, for a lark she consulted a psychic who held forth in a little shack on the Asbury Park boardwalk. The psychic told her that the letter J would be very important in her life. As it turned out, my father's name was Jack, my sister's name is Jane, and I'm Judy.) Think how fortunate you are that the psychic didn't tell your mother that the letter 'D' would be important in her life. Your name might have been Dudy. :-)
[FairfieldLife] A Room Full Of Feminists Applauds A Guy Who Attacks Feminists
Of course, it helps that the guy is Joss Whedon, and that he's right. http://www.upworthy.com/a-room-full-of-feminists-just-applauded-a-guy-wh\ o-attacked-feminists-wait-for-it-re2-7a?g=2c=ufb1 http://www.upworthy.com/a-room-full-of-feminists-just-applauded-a-guy-w\ ho-attacked-feminists-wait-for-it-re2-7a?g=2c=ufb1
