date:20140313

Damned Neo. This stuff at the top of the post was the result of attempting to 
paste in a link using the very procedure that worked fine yesterday. Nothing 
ever appeared in the Neo editor before I pressed Send, but yet here it is. Sigh.

Separating it below from the actual text of the post, for clarity...




 From: turquoi...@yahoo.com turquoi...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 8:55 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] So what have we learned from the pundit riots?
 


  
Carl Sagan quoteCarl Saqan 
quotehttps://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/t1/_10151925111952203_1385221165_n.png


Trying to follow the news reports posted here, it seems to me that we can 
discern a few things about the pundit project, how it is run, and what that 
says about TM, the TMSP, and the TMO:

- First, and above all else, the MUM administration knows nothing at all about 
what is happening inside the pundit compound. We can infer this from the fact 
that they felt the need to plant non-Indian spies inside the compound to find 
out. 

- Second, I think we can infer from the above that everything is being run by 
Girish  Co. and Maharishi's relatives in India, who rake in a hefty bundle 
every year from the indentured servants they've managed to place in America. 
And that the MUM/American TMO is not happy about that.

- Third, and possibly most damning, the MUM (and TMO) administration has so 
little faith in its flagship product TM that it didn't believe that the pundits 
were actually *practicing* it, and felt the need to plant spies to confirm 
that they were meditating. What does this say about *their* belief in TM taking 
advantage of the natural, spontaneous tendency of the mind to seek greater 
fields of charm and bliss (which are supposedly provided by TM)?

- The MUM/TMO administration obviously feels that it has the basic right to 
discipline human beings who work for the princely sum of $50 per month (with 
*maybe* another $150 going to their families) to force them to practice TM and 
do what they're told. They even issued a press release saying that more such 
discipline is planned. 

- The MUM/TMO administration, despite their business-as-usual spin, is fully 
aware of how damning an incident this is. We can infer this from the fact that 
the person handling all press releases and interviews is the organization's top 
lawyer, not one of the top TMO shills like Hagelin, who is nominally in charge 
of the project. 

- The official policy of the TMO is *still* quiet excommunication for anyone 
who doesn't do as he was told. Mishra refused to allow his buddies to be spied 
upon, so the MUM/TMO's immediate reaction is to try to put him on a plane and 
send him back to India. This is basically the *same* policy that has been in 
place for decades, starting with quietly spiriting away anyone who freaked out 
or attempted suicide on long TM courses in Europe. The policy cares nothing 
about the person being spirited away, and is designed only to protect the PR 
image of the TMO itself.

- This policy was about to be enforced without ever speaking to the pundits 
themselves. We can infer this from Goldstein's admission of it in the 
discipline press release. In other words, the peons *still* don't need to be 
informed of any MUM/TMO decisions affecting them. Their job is just to accept 
them and toe the line.

- The practice of TM, the TMSP, and presumably the Woo Woo ME that is being 
sold for big bucks to governments and individuals as a cure for 
post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) *obviously* does not have the ability to 
reduce stress in any way. In this case, people whose *whole lives* revolve 
around these activities, plus chanting the Vedas, are full of enough stress, 
anger, and (yes) pent-up hatred to trash a police car. The whole PRODUCT LINE 
being sold by the TMO is a sham.

- As predicted, TBs like Buck choose to ignore all of these lessons and 
continue to believe in the fantasy sold to him years ago. Cue the   Carl Sagan 
quote I posted yesterday (see below). Once you've sold your mind to a 
charlatan, it's hard to get it back. 

- Nothing whatsoever has been said about the nature of the contract between 
Girish  Co. and the pundits, the gist of which (You have to work for your 
full three years or your families get nothing) fits the legal definition of 
indentured servitude, which was declared illegal in America in the 1800s and 
by the United Nations General Assembly in 1948.

- The notion that the barbed-wire fence enclosing the pundit compound is to 
keep other people out has been proved to be false by comments made in the 
press. It's OBVIOUSLY to keep the pundits in, and keep them from running away 
(and potentially creating havoc). 

- TM True Believers *still* have the ability to overlook any and all of this 
and hold onto their faith in Maharishi and all of the products and lies he sold 
them decades ago. Jai

[FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit riots?

The MUM/TMO administration obviously feels that it has the basic right to 
discipline human beings who work for the princely sum of $50 per month (with 
*maybe* another $150 going to their families) to force them to practice TM and 
do what they're told. They even issued a press release saying that more such 
discipline is planned. 
 

 

 Well, they get room and board as well, and their contract, as far as I know, 
is to come to the USA and meditate and perform chants/rituals in exchange for 
room, board, and $200/month.
 

 If they're not keeping to the contract, the TM organization is under no 
obligation to keep them around and pay them.
 

 Or do you honestly believe that they should be kept here in the USA  even 
though they aren't fulfilling the terms of their contract?
 

 If you DO honestly think that they should be paid to sit around and do nothing 
at all, when there are likely plenty of people back in India willing to come 
take their place, I'm quite interested in hearing your reasoning...
 

 Lawson

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit riots?

From: lengli...@cox.net lengli...@cox.net
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 9:14 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit riots?

The MUM/TMO administration obviously feels that it has the basic right to 
discipline human beings who work for the princely sum of $50 per month (with 
*maybe* another $150 going to their families) to force them to practice TM and 
do what they're told. They even issued a press release saying that more such 
discipline is planned. 

Well, they get room and board as well, and their contract, as far as I know, is 
to come to the USA and meditate and perform chants/rituals in exchange for 
room, board, and $200/month.

If they're not keeping to the contract, the TM organization is under no 
obligation to keep them around and pay them.

Or do you honestly believe that they should be kept here in the USA  even 
though they aren't fulfilling the terms of their contract?

If you DO honestly think that they should be paid to sit around and do nothing 
at all, when there are likely plenty of people back in India willing to come 
take their place, I'm quite interested in hearing your reasoning...

Lawson, this is not the first time I have had occasion to question your sanity. 
Are you really trying to make a case that these pundits, most of whom were 
*sold* into indentured servitude by their parents as pre-teens (according to 
previous news reports, as early as age 8) have entered into a contract with 
the TMO and Girish  Co. 

To have compassion for the parents, the previous news reports have established 
that most of them were dirt-poor and unable to provide for their children, much 
less provide an education for them. They were promised, in addition to a 
monthly income of $150 for themselves (the average monthly income in India is 
$99) and room and board + $50 a month for the kids, an *education* for their 
kids, which *has not been provided*. No evidence has been presented to 
counteract the claims from pundits themselves that the *only* things taught to 
them were how to perform the chants. 

Are you *really* trying to make a case that children essentially sold into 
slavery by their own parents have an obligation to fulfill their contract? 

Even if you *are* trying to make this case, I'd like to hear you explain why 
they *wouldn't* practice TM. If it's as great as you've been claiming it is all 
these years, why aren't they *anxious* to sit and meditate twice a day and 
experience all that clarity and bliss? I'll wait for your answer. 

As for plenty of people back in India willing to come take their place, thank 
you for establishing your credentials as a potential slave master yourself, 
willing to exploit young brown boys to create world peace for you. 

Reposting the Carl Sagan quote, because you -- more than almost anyone on this 
forum except for maybe Nabby -- personify it. Even *feste*, whose devotion to 
TM has never been in question, has been able to wake up and smell the coffee as 
the result of this sad demonstration of the ineffectiveness of the pundit 
program. Why haven't you? Have you got an explanation for this *other* than Mr. 
Sagan's quote?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit riots?

Are you *really* trying to make a case that children essentially sold into 
slavery by their own parents have an obligation to fulfill their contract? 
 

 Are you saying that if said *adults* are not fulfilling the terms of their 
legal contract, they should continue to be housed in the USA and paid money 
rather than flown back to their home country?
 

 You seem to be attempting to paint them as victims. They are under pretty 
much, as far as I can tell, the same kind of contract that trained Jackie Chan 
as a Chinese Opera performer in Hong Kong. Such contracts may not be the best 
thing for children, but that is irrelevant to the question of what to do with 
them once they decide to stop working after coming here as adults with visas 
that describe specific working conditions.
 

 If adults like Jackie Chan came to this country under contract to perform in 
Chinese Opera productions and decided they no longer wished to perform, the 
entertainment company that brought them to the US to perform would be under no 
obligation to continue to house them and keep them in the USA once the 
contractees decided to stop working.
 

 In fact, as I understand it, it would be illegal for a company to do so since 
they were given work visas in this country for a specific purpose and if they 
are no longer living in this country for that specific purpose, if they 
remained, they would automatically be here illegally unless their status was 
changed through action of American immigration officials.
 

 If they want to attempt to change their work visas, that is a completely 
different issue than what is apparently going on, and it is highly doubtful 
that any of them have work skills that would allow them to legally be here if 
it wasn't under the extraordinary circumstances that it took several years for 
the TM organization to arrange.
 

 Visas usually aren't given to 1,000 people at a time so they can come to the 
USA and chant and meditate for several years.
 

 If you are saying that the pandits were abused as kids and should be seeking 
asylum, that too is different than what the newspaper accounts have been 
saying, and you have no proof that it is the case. 
 

 If you are so concerned, you can always write the Indian ambassador and 
express your insider knowledge of the situation in order to help these people. 
It is your moral obligation to do so, don't you agree?
 

 

 L

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit riots?

From: lengli...@cox.net lengli...@cox.net
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 11:06 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit riots?

Are you *really* trying to make a case that children essentially sold into 
slavery by their own parents have an obligation to fulfill their contract? 

Are you saying that if said *adults* are not fulfilling the terms of their 
legal contract, they should continue to be housed in the USA and paid money 
rather than flown back to their home country?

You seem to be attempting to paint them as victims. 

Indeed I am. I am furthermore suggesting that the entire program is an 
ill-disguised form of modern child slavery, promoted by a known rapist in India 
as a mechanism to suck millions of dollars worth of donations from dumb TMers 
around the world, with the aid of the international TM movement and shills such 
as yourself. 

I am suggesting that the entire program -- both here and in India -- be 
disbanded and eliminated immediately, and that serious investigations be 
initiated to determine the extent of the abuse perpetrated on these kids and 
their parents. 

YOU are the one seeming to *defend* this indentured servitude. I suggest that 
you stop trying to shoot the messenger and instead try to do so. That is, 
provide some scientific evidence that these kids' chanting does *anything at 
all*, either for them, or for the world as a whole. If you cannot, I have to 
assume that you are merely acting out the knee-jerk cult programming you've 
been indoctrinated with. I would further suggest that this behavior makes YOU 
more than a little a victim yourself.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Pundits Rioted

The university contributes a good deal of money to the local economy, even just 
from the administration, faculty, staff and students patronizing local 
businesses. Good name continues, people come, live there work there, the money 
continues to flow.

On Thu, 3/13/14, emilymae...@yahoo.com emilymae...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Pundits Rioted
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Thursday, March 13, 2014, 4:46 AM

   Hard to believe no charges are being brought, no
 deportations or visa revocations?  It will be
 interesting to see how it all reconciles.  Only in
 Fairfield.  Maybe he didn't turn it on.  Maybe
 the police department hasn't outfitted their cars with
 dash cams.  This would never fly anywhere but perhaps
 in Amish country, where justice is meted out by the Church
 or Amish Mafia.  Smile.  

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@...
 wrote :

 I bet you
 anything the sheriff had a video cam in his vehicle and is
 not releasing the tape

  On Thu, 3/13/14, doctordumbass@...
 doctordumbass@...
 wrote:

 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Pundits Rioted

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

 Date: Thursday, March 13, 2014, 4:01 AM

 So, since we are *ALL* going on hearsay, isn't

 it possible that this was simply a game of Ultimate
 Frisbee,

 that got out of hand??

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,

 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 wrote :

 It also kind of pisses me off, that in this age of

 ubiquitous communication, THERE IS *NO* VIDEO OF THE RIOT!

 Gimme an F'n break, Iowa!!

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,

 awoelflebater@... wrote :

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,

 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 wrote :

 One

 thing to consider, Alex, is unlike here in the USA, where,

 if one is upset, legal remedies are sought, in India, and

 many other countries (Mexico also comes to mind), the

 corruption is so endemic, people are far more likely to
 deal

 with their issues, directly, and messily, than even think
 to

 get law enforcement, or any other government agency

 involved. What looks like inappropriate behavior to us, is

 the status quo in their culture.

 I

 personally think someone in Vedic City fucked up royally,

 and they did not have brown skin.

 I think a

 couple of things. First, Iowa seems to be a place where
 very

 little happens in the way of uprisings because

 this very small event seems to have created a lot of

 interest, not only locally but here at FFL. Second, I

 don't blame the pundits for revolting. Good

 for them. It sounds as if they had a pretty good reason and

 the solidarity of purpose seems to have been contagious, or

 at least unanimous. Perhaps this is a wake up call of

 someone in a position of power; maybe it is indicative of

 some larger problem within the structure of how it is set
 up

 with the pundits there at MUM. I'm sort of one of those

 people who like a little disruption, a little shit

 disturbance. One thing I know: change and upheaval is

 usually a good thing - eventually.

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,

 j_alexander_stanley@... wrote :

 The

 powers that be need to figure out who participated in the

 riot and send all their sorry asses back to India. Their

 behavior was totally unacceptable, and they're lucky no

 one got shot or run over. If the pandit project continues
 to

 be source of bad PR for the community, then the whole thing

 should be shut down.

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
 rick@... wrote

 :

 The administration was trying

 to have Americans sit with them to make sure they

 meditated and the

 Indians would not let them in so the Admin wanted to send

 the ring leader back to India. So he organized for the
 group

 to do what they did when they came to take him to Chicago

 and that is why the Policeman was there in the first

 place.

Re: [FairfieldLife] So what have we learned from the pundit riots?

Well said Barry. But the TMO wouldn't blink an eye at paying the pundits $50 a
month - that's what the lowly meditators were paid in the mid 80s when I was
there (and that was before MIU took out Social Security tax)

On Thu, 3/13/14, turquoi...@yahoo.com turquoi...@yahoo.com wrote:

Subject: [FairfieldLife] So what have we learned from the pundit riots?
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, March 13, 2014, 7:55 AM

Carl
Sagan quoteCarl
Saqan
quotehttps://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/t1/_10151925111952203_1385221165_n.pngTrying
to follow the news
reports posted here, it seems to me that we can discern a
few things about the pundit project, how it is
run, and what that says about TM, the TMSP, and the TMO:

- First, and above all else, the MUM administration knows
nothing at all about what is happening inside the pundit
compound. We can infer this from the fact that they felt the
need to plant non-Indian spies inside the
compound to find out.

- Second, I think we can infer from the above that
everything is being run by Girish Co. and
Maharishi's relatives in India, who rake in a hefty
bundle every year from the indentured servants they've
managed to place in America. And that the
MUM/American TMO is not happy about that.

- Third, and possibly most damning, the MUM (and TMO)
administration has so little faith in its flagship product
TM that it didn't believe that the pundits were actually
*practicing* it, and felt the need to plant
spies to confirm that they were meditating. What
does this say about *their* belief in TM taking advantage of
the natural, spontaneous tendency of the mind to seek
greater fields of charm and bliss (which are supposedly
provided by TM)?

- The MUM/TMO administration obviously feels that it has the
basic right to discipline human beings who work
for the princely sum of $50 per month (with *maybe* another
$150 going to their families) to force them to practice TM
and do what they're told. They even issued a press
release saying that more such discipline is
planned.

- The MUM/TMO administration, despite their
business-as-usual spin, is fully aware of how damning an
incident this is. We can infer this from the fact that the
person handling all press releases and interviews is the
organization's top lawyer, not one of the top TMO shills
like Hagelin, who is nominally in charge of the project.

- The official policy of the TMO is *still* quiet
excommunication for anyone who doesn't do as he
was told. Mishra refused to allow his buddies to be spied
upon, so the MUM/TMO's immediate reaction is to try to
put him on a plane and send him back to India. This is
basically the *same* policy that has been in place for
decades, starting with quietly spiriting away anyone who
freaked out or attempted suicide on long TM courses in
Europe. The policy cares nothing about the person being
spirited away, and is designed only to protect the PR image
of the TMO itself.

- This policy was about to be enforced without
ever speaking to the pundits themselves. We can infer this
from Goldstein's admission of it in the
discipline press release. In other words, the
peons *still* don't need to be informed of any MUM/TMO
decisions affecting them. Their job is just to accept them
and toe the line.

- The practice of TM, the TMSP, and presumably the Woo Woo
ME that is being sold for big bucks to governments and
individuals as a cure for post-traumatic stress
disorder (PTSD) *obviously* does not have the ability to
reduce stress in any way. In this case, people
whose *whole lives* revolve around these activities, plus
chanting the Vedas, are full of enough stress, anger, and
(yes) pent-up hatred to trash a police car. The whole
PRODUCT LINE being sold by the TMO is a sham.

- As predicted, TBs like Buck choose to ignore all of these
lessons and continue to believe in the fantasy sold to him
years ago. Cue the Carl Sagan quote I posted yesterday
(see below). Once you've sold your mind to a charlatan,
it's hard to get it back.

- Nothing whatsoever has been said about the nature of the
contract between Girish Co. and the pundits, the gist
of which (You have to work for your full three years
or your families get nothing) fits the legal
definition of indentured servitude, which was
declared illegal in America in the 1800s and by the United
Nations General Assembly in 1948.

- The notion that the barbed-wire fence enclosing the pundit
compound is to keep other people out has been
proved to be false by comments made in the press. It's
OBVIOUSLY to keep the pundits in, and keep them from running
away (and potentially creating havoc).

- TM True Believers *still* have the ability to overlook any
and all of this and hold onto their faith in Maharishi and

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit riots?

2014-03-13 Thread anartaxius

The  photos of the compound in the newspaper look much like a minimum-security 
prison compound. I think all we need to do is have a more flexible mindset 
(characteristic of creative intelligence: flexibility) and agree that slavery 
is a good thing, and encourage its practise. Let's keep those little buggers 
locked up! Organisational transparency, freedom, compassion, that's for wimps. 
Totalitarian ideas is what this situation needs. Any situation that requires 
the natural, spontaneous flow of all the laws of nature to produce results must 
be forced into this mould at all costs.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote :

 Are you *really* trying to make a case that children essentially sold into 
slavery by their own parents have an obligation to fulfill their contract? 
 

 Are you saying that if said *adults* are not fulfilling the terms of their 
legal contract, they should continue to be housed in the USA and paid money 
rather than flown back to their home country?
 

 You seem to be attempting to paint them as victims. They are under pretty 
much, as far as I can tell, the same kind of contract that trained Jackie Chan 
as a Chinese Opera performer in Hong Kong. Such contracts may not be the best 
thing for children, but that is irrelevant to the question of what to do with 
them once they decide to stop working after coming here as adults with visas 
that describe specific working conditions.
 

 If adults like Jackie Chan came to this country under contract to perform in 
Chinese Opera productions and decided they no longer wished to perform, the 
entertainment company that brought them to the US to perform would be under no 
obligation to continue to house them and keep them in the USA once the 
contractees decided to stop working.
 

 In fact, as I understand it, it would be illegal for a company to do so since 
they were given work visas in this country for a specific purpose and if they 
are no longer living in this country for that specific purpose, if they 
remained, they would automatically be here illegally unless their status was 
changed through action of American immigration officials.
 

 If they want to attempt to change their work visas, that is a completely 
different issue than what is apparently going on, and it is highly doubtful 
that any of them have work skills that would allow them to legally be here if 
it wasn't under the extraordinary circumstances that it took several years for 
the TM organization to arrange.
 

 Visas usually aren't given to 1,000 people at a time so they can come to the 
USA and chant and meditate for several years.
 

 If you are saying that the pandits were abused as kids and should be seeking 
asylum, that too is different than what the newspaper accounts have been 
saying, and you have no proof that it is the case. 
 

 If you are so concerned, you can always write the Indian ambassador and 
express your insider knowledge of the situation in order to help these people. 
It is your moral obligation to do so, don't you agree?
 

 

 L

[FairfieldLife] More on Girish

2014-03-13 Thread anartaxius

This is in Hindi, but maybe you can get the gist of it. This is probably video 
from January
http://zeenews.india.com/videos/maharishi-vidya-mandir-chief-girish-chandra-verma-held-for-allegedly-raping-teacher-for-7-years_26349.html
 
http://zeenews.india.com/videos/maharishi-vidya-mandir-chief-girish-chandra-verma-held-for-allegedly-raping-teacher-for-7-years_26349.html

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit riots?

turq, I agree with you that the program should be disbanded. But only if greed 
and other forms of ignorance are at the heart of it. However, if at its heart 
is a desire to relieve suffering in the world, then I say let the program be 
reassessed and fixed somehow.

I keep thinking: it has been a long, hard winter in Iowa. There have been 
several mornings where a person could take one step out their door, slip on ice 
and fall flat on their butt. There was one blizzard in the early evening that 
caused severe white beyond a short distance. There has been snowfall after 
snowfall requiring constant shoveling of snow, donning of cold weather gear, 
walking outside in freezing temps, icy winds from Canada.

Now imagine 500 young men from a hot climate trying to deal with that! For one 
thing, can you say cabin fever?! All I'm saying is perhaps this is a factor in 
the situation. Of course along with all that you note. But can we really know 
the motivations of all concerned? The parents, the TMO, the pundits themselves? 
And what about our own motivations as we ascribe blame without having all the 
facts?

Can we ever know all the facts? Is there such a thing as facts anyway? 

I feel in this post of yours a lot of compassion. For that I thank you.





On Thursday, March 13, 2014 6:39 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
  


From: lengli...@cox.net lengli...@cox.net
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 11:06 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit riots?
 


  
Are you *really* trying to make a case that children essentially sold into 
slavery by their own parents have an obligation to fulfill their contract? 


Are you saying that if said *adults* are not fulfilling the terms of their 
legal contract, they should continue to be housed in the USA and paid money 
rather than flown back to their home country?

You seem to be attempting to paint them as victims. 

Indeed I am. I am furthermore suggesting that the entire program is an 
ill-disguised form of modern child slavery, promoted by a known rapist in India 
as a mechanism to suck millions of dollars worth of donations from dumb TMers 
around the world, with the aid of the international TM movement and shills such 
as yourself. 

I am suggesting that the entire program -- both here and in India -- be 
disbanded and eliminated immediately, and that serious investigations be 
initiated to
 determine the extent of the abuse perpetrated on these kids and their parents. 

YOU are the one seeming to *defend* this indentured servitude. I suggest that 
you stop trying to shoot the messenger and instead try to do so. That is, 
provide some scientific evidence that these kids' chanting does *anything at 
all*, either for them, or for the world as a whole. If you cannot, I have to 
assume that you are merely acting out the knee-jerk cult programming you've 
been indoctrinated with. I would further suggest that this behavior makes YOU 
more than a little a victim yourself.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit riots?

2014-03-13 Thread nablusoss1008


 Well said. But they are paid 200$ a month which is quite a good salary 
considering that buying ability will be about x 20 for that amount in India. So 
most of these pundits will certainly want to hold on to this job. 
 I think your mention of climate makes a lot of sense.  This added to the fact 
that they are confined to a small area and being without their families and 
loved ones for years on end certainly could add up to some tension.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :


 turq, I agree with you that the program should be disbanded. But only if greed 
and other forms of ignorance are at the heart of it. However, if at its heart 
is a desire to relieve suffering in the world, then I say let the program be 
reassessed and fixed somehow.

I keep thinking: it has been a long, hard winter in Iowa. There have been 
several mornings where a person could take one step out their door, slip on ice 
and fall flat on their butt. There was one blizzard in the early evening that 
caused severe white beyond a short distance. There has been snowfall after 
snowfall requiring constant shoveling of snow, donning of cold weather gear, 
walking outside in freezing temps, icy winds from Canada.

Now imagine 500 young men from a hot climate trying to deal with that! For one 
thing, can you say cabin fever?! All I'm saying is perhaps this is a factor in 
the situation. Of course along with all that you note. But can we really know 
the motivations of all concerned? The parents, the TMO, the pundits themselves? 
And what about our own motivations as we ascribe blame without having all the 
facts?

Can we ever know all the facts? Is there such a thing as facts anyway? 

I feel in this post of yours a lot of compassion. For that I thank you.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Pundits Rioted


On 3/12/2014 9:30 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:


http://thegazette.com/2014/03/12/riot-of-indian-meditators-causes-concerns-for-fairfield-residents/


Pandit campus leaders, who are affiliated with the Maharishi University 
of Management in Fairfield, downplayed the incident Wednesday.


Does anyone have an accounting of how much money the TMO has spent over 
the years on the pundit program? Go figure.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Puns Can Be Fun

2014-03-13 Thread Pundit Sir

It's not that the man did not know how to juggle, he just didn't have the
balls to do it.


On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 6:03 PM, Pundit Sir pundits...@gmail.com wrote:

 Broken pencils are pointless.


 On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 10:08 AM, Pundit Sir pundits...@gmail.com wrote:

 I wondered why the baseball was getting bigger. Then it hit me!


 On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 8:16 PM, Pundit Sir pundits...@gmail.com wrote:

 Why did Cleopatra always go around saying no? Because she was the queen
 of denial.


 On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 5:26 PM, Pundit Sir pundits...@gmail.comwrote:

 What does a clock do when it's hungry? It goes back for seconds.


 On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 8:12 AM, Pundit Sir pundits...@gmail.comwrote:

 When you get a bladder infection, urine trouble.


 On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 4:18 PM, Pundit Sir pundits...@gmail.comwrote:

 What do you call a dinosaur with an extensive vocabulary? A
 thesaurus.


 On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 2:12 PM, Pundit Sir pundits...@gmail.comwrote:

 How do you make holy water? Boil the hell out of it!


 On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 8:23 AM, Pundit Sir pundits...@gmail.comwrote:

 I didn't like my beard at first.Then it grew on me.


 On Sun, Mar 9, 2014 at 9:02 PM, Pundit Sir pundits...@gmail.comwrote:

 Energizer Bunny arrested. Charged with battery.


 On Sun, Mar 9, 2014 at 6:42 PM, Pundit Sir 
 pundits...@gmail.comwrote:

 Class trip to a Coca-Cola factory. I hope there's no pop quiz.


 On Sat, Mar 8, 2014 at 11:55 AM, Richard J. Williams 
 pundits...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 3/8/2014 9:23 AM, Share Long wrote:

 if they had reservations, wouldn't that make them hesitate?

 
 Christopher Columbus discovered the New World in 1492. When he
 was standing on the beach exchanging gifts, one of the native 
 inhabitants
 said: But, Chris, why do you call us Indians? Go figure.

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit riots?

This is great! Now when the pundits riot, they can tear up the MUM cars!

Sheriff's Office Won't Help With Next Attempt To Remove Pandit
By Mark Carlson, Reporter

FAIRFIELD, Iowa - A pandit leader that inadvertently triggered some unrest near
Fairfield Tuesday will still be removed, only this time the Jefferson County
Sheriff's office won't be preset.

Bill Goldstein, co-supervisor of the pandit project, said he doesn't anticipate
seeking assistance from law enforcement when the pandit is removed on a second
attempt to send him back to India.

On Tuesday, dozens of pandits threw rocks at a Sheriff's vehicle as the Sheriff
monitored the removal of the pandit at the request of supervisors on the
project. The protesters damaged the car, but the sheriff was able to escape
unharmed. The pandit leader was eventually returned to the campus in a peace
keeping effort.

Pandits are meditators who come from India to pray for peace in a gated campus
outside of Fairfield. They come for two to three year rotations from India as
part of a program that started nearly a decade ago. They are not students of
the nearby Maharishi University of Management, although the university did
assist with getting the program started.

It's not clear when the pandit who triggered Tuesday's unrest will be removed.
Leaders say they're making an effort to meet with other pandits to get to the
bottom of the issue. The pandit is being sent back to India for disciplinary
reasons.

Read more:
http://www.kcrg.com/home/top-9/Sheriffs-Office-Wont-Help-With-Next-Attempt-To-Remove-Pandit--249973471.html#ixzz2vqbCqYwZ

On Thu, 3/13/14, anartax...@yahoo.com anartax...@yahoo.com wrote:

Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit riots?
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, March 13, 2014,
The
photos of the compound in the newspaper look much like
a minimum-security prison compound. I think all we need to
do is have a more flexible mindset (characteristic of
creative intelligence: flexibility) and agree that slavery
is a good thing, and encourage its practise. Let's keep
those little buggers locked up! Organisational transparency,
freedom, compassion, that's for wimps. Totalitarian
ideas is what this situation needs. Any situation that
requires the natural, spontaneous flow of all the laws of
nature to produce results must be forced into this mould at
all costs.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@...
wrote :

Are
you *really* trying to make a case that children essentially
sold into slavery by their own parents have an obligation to
fulfill their contract?

Are you saying
that if said *adults* are not fulfilling the terms of their
legal contract, they should continue to be housed in the USA
and paid money rather than flown back to their home
country?
You seem to be
attempting to paint them as victims. They are under pretty
much, as far as I can tell, the same kind of contract that
trained Jackie Chan as a Chinese Opera performer in Hong
Kong. Such contracts may not be the best thing for children,
but that is irrelevant to the question of what to do with
them once they decide to stop working after coming here as
adults with visas that describe specific working
conditions.
If adults like
Jackie Chan came to this country under contract to perform
in Chinese Opera productions and decided they no longer
wished to perform, the entertainment company that brought
them to the US to perform would be under no obligation to
continue to house them and keep them in the USA once the
contractees decided to stop working.
In fact, as I
understand it, it would be illegal for a company to do so
since they were given
work visas in this country for a specific purpose and if
they are no longer living in this country for that specific
purpose, if they remained, they would automatically be here
illegally unless their status was changed through action of
American immigration officials.
If
they want to attempt to change their work visas, that is a
completely different issue than what is apparently going on,
and it is highly doubtful that any of them have work skills
that would allow them to legally be here if it wasn't
under the extraordinary circumstances that it took several
years for the TM organization to
arrange.
Visas usually
aren't given to 1,000 people at a time so they can come
to the USA and chant and meditate for several
years.
If you are
saying that the pandits were abused as kids and should be
seeking asylum, that too is different than what the
newspaper accounts have been saying, and you have no proof
that it is the case.
If you are so
concerned, you can always write the Indian ambassador and
express your insider knowledge of the situation in order to
help these people. It is your moral obligation to do so,
don't you agree?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rioting Pundits in Iowa

2014-03-13 Thread Mike Dixon

Ah yes, and war is natures way of dealing with collective stress... at least so 
says Maharishi.




On Wednesday, March 12, 2014 9:40 PM, emilymae...@yahoo.com 
emilymae...@yahoo.com wrote:
  
  
Spring Riotscapitalizedare natural in Iowa.  Ah ha ha, that is so 
funny.  I say, I like the idea that they should all be educated on scholarship 
at MUM for the good work they've done for $200/month in Iowa as indentured 
servants and then moved to a citizen track.  Was the stat 5% that don't make it 
back to India and go AWOL?  That's 100 people of the 2,000 over the last seven 
years.  Is the TMO contributing to immigration to America in their own special 
way?  

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote :


Look here, Spring Riots in Iowa are simply natural.  Spring Riots in Iowa are 
not new in Iowa.  The Pandits are responding to the Laws of Nature that are 
Iowa.   Dear Friends,
don't be hasty to judge the pandits.
-Buck

Mike
Dixon writes: Give us Barabbas!

 
Iowans were born in nature to riot
for spirituality and equality for equal access and the protection in Natural
Law, that is also our history.  In the lofty ultimate equity of
rights underlying in equal and fundamental rights of
transcendentalism, the establishment and protection by guarantee of
spiritual equal right as a bill of right is even why our people as pioneers and 
a larger modern transcendentalist meditating community presently like other 
historic communities in spirituality have come before to Iowa.
Iowa has a long tradition of transcendent agitation for rights of
equal access. 

 These pundits are part of that riot for millenarian
revolutionary establishment of equal spiritual rights, and access for claim and 
establishment of the universal inalienable right for all in our civil lives the 
transcendent Unified
Field of life.  We are only now just at the barricades in what is a great
cultural spiritual struggle with material ignorance.  There is more
spiritual riot to do.  Transcendentalism is the progressive story of
America and constant agitation and rioting on behalf of the unified
field of equal rights is ultimately American, Iowan and human in
nature.

There is certainly a long tradition of spiritual rioting
in the Spring in Iowa.   Why, all the youth in Iowa was rioting on
all the college campuses in Iowa back in the late 1960's and the
1970's.   Iowa youth and some adults too.  Heck our Iowa youth did
not just throw some stones and make noise they threw bricks and
completely trashed commercial business windows in downtowns in Ames and Iowa
City.  You should have seen it when the agitation of spring moved our
rioting from sit-ins, teach-ins, and the mass meetings -moved to
occupying administrative offices and University buildings on the
Pentacrest at the University of Iowa and then our masses turned to
riot going over to trash the windows of the General Motors dealership
and all those GM car windows of GM cars out on the sales lots that
used to be the downtown of Iowa City where the big Marriott Hotel and
parking garage now stand.  “All we are saying is give peace a
chance”!


These pandits are in a fine
tradition of civil disobedience in Iowa.  The long and active working
of the underground railroad and anti-slavery agitation in Iowa is of
that spring riot tradition for equal rights.  John Brown's assault in
riot of civil disobedience on the Federal Arsenal at Harper's Ferry
was mounted from IOWA, hosted by IOWANS and even with IOWA youth
going along in riot with John Brown.  Riot is not new to Iowa.
Rioting is in the dirt of our Natural Laws and is very much part of
what it is to be a Hawkeye.



Our state motto is, “Our Liberties
we Prize and Our Rights We Will Maintain”.  Quite frankly I am
ready to put on a doty and charge the wire at the compound in
sympathy with our world-peace-making-chanting pandit friends up in
Vedic City.  It is completely within the laws of nature of Iowa to
riot.  When the famous chief Blackhawk was once a young buck he came
over to Iowa from Illinois with a band of like minded youthful
warriors in the spring of one year and completely annihilated the
Ioway Indians one day in riot.  Obliterated the Ioway.  But Iowa and
our Laws of Nature here did not die that day.  That spring day was
youth throwing more than rocks and heck, that happened just a few
miles west of Vedic City.

I think we should all be sympathetic
to the long progression of balancing equal rights for all that
is Iowa and of what it means to be Iowan.  These pandits are only the
expression of who we are anyway and they can not help themselves in
what is only natural here.  Let us go kindly on them and even be
helpful to them and their plight in Iowa.

An Old Iowa Meditator,
-Buck in the Dome



(3/11) UPDATE:BREAKING NEWS Pundit Campus Under ControlOn March 11, 2014 at 
0600 hrs,
the Jefferson 
County Sheriff’s Office was contacted by personnel of the
pandit project
on Invincible America Drive to assist the

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Pundits Rioted

Om well, to anybody who is *new*  to this looking in on Fairfield from the 
outside you should know also for relative perspective that the pundit thing is 
an outpost of all that is the TM meditating community in Fairfield, Iowa.   
Most Fairfield meditators don't have anything to do with it and there was never 
a lot of buy in to it for common Fairfield rank and file meditators. The pundit 
program is a pretty exclusive thing that is run by a few super-ru's.
 -Buck
 

 punditster writes:

 Does anyone have an accounting of how much money the TMO has spent over the 
years on the pundit program? Go figure.

 

 Authfriend writes:
 
http://thegazette.com/2014/03/12/riot-of-indian-meditators-causes-concerns-for-fairfield-residents/
 
http://thegazette.com/2014/03/12/riot-of-indian-meditators-causes-concerns-for-fairfield-residents/
 

 Pandit campus leaders, who are affiliated with the Maharishi University of 
Management in Fairfield, downplayed the incident Wednesday.
 
 Does anyone have an accounting of how much money the TMO has spent over the 
years on the pundit program? Go figure.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit riots?

Conversation in the future:

Child: What did you do for the TM movement, Daddy? I mean, before it was able 
to usher in the Age Of Enlightenment and ensure peace for all of us?

Father: Well, son, I worked on the MUM Pundit Removal Squad. 

Child: What was that, Daddy?

Father: Well, there were some unruly pundits -- obviously unstressing or 
possessed by rakshasas -- who needed to be removed from the pundit 
pris...uh...I mean...compound after they'd created a ruckus and jeopardized our 
cashflo...uh...I mean...our efforts for world peace.

Child: So how did you remove them, Daddy?

Father: Well, we couldn't get local law enforcement to do it for us any more, 
after they had an unpleasant experience being driven away by a bunch of 
teenagers, so we created our own elite force to handle such removals in the 
future.

Child: Did you have a uniform, Daddy?

Father: You betcha, son. Shiny black boots and black jumpsuit, and a way scary 
billy club and Taser to subdue unruly teenagers with. 

Child: How many unruly pundits did you remove, Daddy?

Father: I've lost count, son. But it was all worth it, because we all live in 
the Age Of Enlightenment now, and everything is perfect. Now stop asking 
questions and eat your peas.

Child: But I don't *like* peas, Daddy. 

Father: Do you want me to get the Taser again? Do as you're told...





 From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 2:03 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit riots?
 


  
This is great! Now when the pundits riot, they can tear up the MUM cars!

Sheriff's Office Won't Help With Next Attempt To Remove Pandit
By Mark Carlson, Reporter

FAIRFIELD, Iowa - A pandit leader that inadvertently triggered some unrest near 
Fairfield Tuesday will still be removed, only this time the Jefferson County 
Sheriff's office won't be preset.

Bill Goldstein, co-supervisor of the pandit project, said he doesn't anticipate 
seeking assistance from law enforcement when the pandit is removed on a second 
attempt to send him back to India.

On Tuesday, dozens of pandits threw rocks at a Sheriff's vehicle as the Sheriff 
monitored the removal of the pandit at the request of supervisors on the 
project. The protesters damaged the car, but the sheriff was able to escape 
unharmed. The pandit leader was eventually returned to the campus in a peace 
keeping effort.

Pandits are meditators who come from India to pray for peace in a gated campus 
outside of Fairfield. They come for two to three year rotations from India as 
part of a program that started nearly a decade ago. They are not students of 
the nearby Maharishi University of Management, although the university did 
assist with getting the program started.

It's not clear when the pandit who triggered Tuesday's unrest will be removed. 
Leaders say they're making an effort to meet with other pandits to get to the 
bottom of the issue. The pandit is being sent back to India for disciplinary 
reasons.

Read more: 
http://www.kcrg.com/home/top-9/Sheriffs-Office-Wont-Help-With-Next-Attempt-To-Remove-Pandit--249973471.html#ixzz2vqbCqYwZ


On Thu, 3/13/14, anartax...@yahoo.com anartax...@yahoo.com wrote:

Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit riots?
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, March 13, 2014, 
The
 photos of the compound in the newspaper look much like
a minimum-security prison compound. I think all we need to
do is have a more flexible mindset (characteristic of
creative intelligence: flexibility) and agree that slavery
is a good thing, and encourage its practise. Let's keep
those little buggers locked up! Organisational transparency,
freedom, compassion, that's for wimps. Totalitarian
ideas is what this situation needs. Any situation that
requires the natural, spontaneous flow of all the laws of
nature to produce results must be forced into this mould at
all costs.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@...
wrote :

Are
you *really* trying to make a case that children essentially
sold into slavery by their own parents have an obligation to
fulfill their contract? 

Are you saying
that if said *adults* are not fulfilling the terms of their
legal contract, they should continue to be housed in the USA
and paid money rather than flown back to their home
country?
You seem to be
attempting to paint them as victims. They are under pretty
much, as far as I can tell, the same kind of contract that
trained Jackie Chan as a Chinese Opera performer in Hong
Kong. Such contracts may not be the best thing for children,
but that is irrelevant to the question of what to do with
them once they decide to stop working after coming here as
adults with visas that describe specific working
conditions.
If adults like
Jackie Chan came to this country under contract to perform
in Chinese Opera productions

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Jet Vanishes

2014-03-13 Thread Pundit Sir

There is nothing.

My bet is still on the aircraft's possible sudden, rapid depressurization
theory. If the pilots failed to put on masks they could have blacked out
from the lack of oxygen. So, this theory goes like this: the sudden
decompression of the plane for unknown reasons, but it could have been from
a crack in the fuselage; turning the plane to return to land with
auto-pilot on; failure to don face masks; the flight continues for four
hours; the plane runs out of fuel; and falls into the Indian Ocean.

In this scenario, all the passengers and the pilots would be long dead
before the actual crash, since no cell phone calls came from any of the
passengers. This would also account for calls being made to some of the
passengers by their relatives - the phones were still connected but no
answer was heard. Go figure.

'There Is Nothing': Malaysian Authorities Do Not Find Missing Plane Where
Chinese Satellite Images Showed Possible Debris

CBS News DC:
http://washington.cbslocal.com/there-is-nothing-malaysian/plane/possible-debris/http://washington.cbslocal.com/2014/03/13/there-is-nothing-malaysian-authorities-do-not-find-missing-plane-where-chinese-satellite-images-showed-possible-debris/

On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 9:17 AM, Richard J. Williams
pundits...@gmail.comwrote:

On 3/10/2014 8:34 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote:

Something doesn't smell right with this incident. It's also possible a
passenger had exploded a bomb up there and then the plane disintegrated.
That's why fragments of the airplane could not be found.

There would still be scattered debris and oil slicks not to mention body
parts. Things don't blow up to smithereens or just dust particles.

At cruising altitude, 35,000 feet, all that might be left are small bits
sinking into the ocean.

A senior source involved in preliminary investigations in Malaysia said
the failure to find any debris indicated the plane may have broken up
mid-flight, which could disperse wreckage over a very wide area.

Ten countries scour sea for Malaysia jet lost in 'unprecedented mystery'
http://www.dnaindia.com/world/report/unprecedented-mystery/http://www.dnaindia.com/world/report-ten-countries-scour-sea-for-malaysia-jet-lost-in-unprecedented-mystery-1968350

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Pundits Rioted

On 3/12/2014 11:24 PM, Michael Jackson wrote:
 I bet you anything the sheriff had a video cam in his vehicle and is 
 not releasing the tape
 
How much would you be willing to wager?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit riots?

There may be, shall we say, mixed motivations--i.e., other than 
compassion--involved in the ascribing of blame by the TM critics on FFL. In the 
past, when the TMO has come significantly a-cropper, there have been veritable 
explosions of glee here from the critics, just as in this instance.
 

 I think it may be naive to attribute that glee to compassion. Such an 
attribution, in fact, looks a lot like pandering. Nobody wants the pandits to 
suffer; that's a given and really doesn't merit special acclaim.
 

 

 ...But can we really know the motivations of all concerned? The parents, the 
TMO, the pundits themselves? And what about our own motivations as we ascribe 
blame without having all the facts?
 
Can we ever know all the facts? Is there such a thing as facts anyway? 

I feel in this post of yours a lot of compassion. For that I thank you.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit riots?

2014-03-13 Thread awoelflebater

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 From: LEnglish5@... LEnglish5@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 9:14 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit riots?

   The MUM/TMO administration obviously feels that it has the basic right to 
discipline human beings who work for the princely sum of $50 per month (with 
*maybe* another $150 going to their families) to force them to practice TM and 
do what they're told. They even issued a press release saying that more such 
discipline is planned. 

 Well, they get room and board as well, and their contract, as far as I know, 
is to come to the USA and meditate and perform chants/rituals in exchange for 
room, board, and $200/month.

 If they're not keeping to the contract, the TM organization is under no 
obligation to keep them around and pay them.

 Or do you honestly believe that they should be kept here in the USA  even 
though they aren't fulfilling the terms of their contract?

 If you DO honestly think that they should be paid to sit around and do nothing 
at all, when there are likely plenty of people back in India willing to come 
take their place, I'm quite interested in hearing your reasoning...

Lawson, this is not the first time I have had occasion to question your sanity. 
Are you really trying to make a case that these pundits, most of whom were 
*sold* into indentured servitude by their parents as pre-teens (according to 
previous news reports, as early as age 8) have entered into a contract with 
the TMO and Girish  Co. 

To have compassion for the parents, the previous news reports have established 
that most of them were dirt-poor and unable to provide for their children, much 
less provide an education for them. They were promised, in addition to a 
monthly income of $150 for themselves (the average monthly income in India is 
$99) and room and board + $50 a month for the kids, an *education* for their 
kids, which *has not been provided*. No evidence has been presented to 
counteract the claims from pundits themselves that the *only* things taught to 
them were how to perform the chants. 

Are you *really* trying to make a case that children essentially sold into 
slavery by their own parents have an obligation to fulfill their contract? 

Even if you *are* trying to make this case, I'd like to hear you explain why 
they *wouldn't* practice TM. If it's as great as you've been claiming it is all 
these years, why aren't they *anxious* to sit and meditate twice a day and 
experience all that clarity and bliss? I'll wait for your answer. 

As for plenty of people back in India willing to come take their place, thank 
you for establishing your credentials as a potential slave master yourself, 
willing to exploit young brown boys to create world peace for you. 

Reposting the Carl Sagan quote, because you -- more than almost anyone on this 
forum except for maybe Nabby -- personify it. Even *feste*, whose devotion to 
TM has never been in question, has been able to wake up and smell the coffee as 
the result of this sad demonstration of the ineffectiveness of the pundit 
program. Why haven't you? Have you got an explanation for this *other* than Mr. 
Sagan's quote?

 Another beautiful example why Bawwy is a social misfit, someone who dismisses 
anyone else who dare question his idiotic and mostly odious theories on how 
others operate. It is like Bawwy is deathly afraid to engage one on one without 
first getting out his protective suit of armour in the form of gratuitous, 
verbal violence. Take your Facebook graphics and go play somewhere else, 
jackass. Lawson is too smart for you anyway.

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Jet Vanishes

Why did the transponder stop transmitting? 

 

 My bet is still on the aircraft's possible sudden, rapid depressurization 
theory. If the pilots failed to put on masks they could have blacked out from 
the lack of oxygen. So, this theory goes like this: the sudden decompression of 
the plane for unknown reasons, but it could have been from a crack in the 
fuselage; turning the plane to return to land with auto-pilot on; failure to 
don face masks; the flight continues for four hours; the plane runs out of 
fuel; and falls into the Indian Ocean.  

 In this scenario, all the passengers and the pilots would be long dead before 
the actual crash, since no cell phone calls came from any of the passengers. 
This would also account for calls being made to some of the passengers by their 
relatives - the phones were still connected but no answer was heard. Go figure.
 

 ‘There Is Nothing’: Malaysian Authorities Do Not Find Missing Plane Where 
Chinese Satellite Images Showed Possible Debris
 

 CBS News DC:
 
http://washington.cbslocal.com/there-is-nothing-malaysian/plane/possible-debris/
 
http://washington.cbslocal.com/2014/03/13/there-is-nothing-malaysian-authorities-do-not-find-missing-plane-where-chinese-satellite-images-showed-possible-debris/

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit riots?

that's great TurqB!

On Thu, 3/13/14, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com wrote:

Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit riots?
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, March 13, 2014, 1:23 PM

Conversation in the future:

Child: What did you do for the TM movement, Daddy? I mean,
before it was able to usher in the Age Of Enlightenment and
ensure peace for all of us?

Father: Well, son, I worked on the MUM Pundit Removal Squad.

Child: What was that, Daddy?

Father: Well, there were some unruly pundits -- obviously
unstressing or possessed by rakshasas -- who needed to be
removed from the pundit pris...uh...I mean...compound after
they'd created a ruckus and jeopardized our
cashflo...uh...I mean...our efforts for world peace.

Child: So how did you remove them, Daddy?

Father: Well, we couldn't get local law enforcement to
do it for us any more, after they had an unpleasant
experience
being driven away by a bunch of teenagers, so we created
our own elite force to handle such removals in
the future.

Child: Did you have a uniform, Daddy?

Father: You betcha, son. Shiny black boots and black
jumpsuit, and a way scary billy club and Taser to subdue
unruly teenagers with.

Child: How many unruly pundits did you remove,
Daddy?

Father: I've lost count, son. But it was all worth it,
because we all live in the Age Of Enlightenment now, and
everything is perfect. Now stop asking questions and eat
your peas.

Child: But I don't *like* peas, Daddy.

Father: Do you want me to get the Taser again? Do as
you're told...

From: Michael
Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com
To:
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent:
Thursday, March 13, 2014 2:03 PM
Subject: Re:
[FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit
riots?

This is great! Now when the pundits riot, they
can tear up the MUM cars!

Sheriff's Office Won't Help With Next Attempt To
Remove Pandit

By Mark Carlson, Reporter

FAIRFIELD, Iowa - A pandit leader that inadvertently
triggered some unrest near Fairfield Tuesday will still be
removed, only this time the Jefferson County Sheriff's
office won't be preset.

Bill Goldstein, co-supervisor of the pandit project, said he
doesn't anticipate seeking assistance from law
enforcement when the pandit is removed on a second attempt
to send him back to India.

On Tuesday, dozens of pandits threw rocks at a Sheriff's
vehicle as the Sheriff monitored the removal of the pandit
at the request of supervisors on the project. The protesters
damaged the car, but the sheriff was able to escape
unharmed. The pandit leader was eventually returned to the
campus in a peace keeping effort.

Pandits are meditators who come from India to pray for peace
in a gated campus outside of Fairfield. They come for two to
three year rotations from India as part of a program that
started nearly a decade ago. They are not students of the
nearby Maharishi University of Management, although the
university did assist with getting the program started.

It's not clear when the pandit who triggered
Tuesday's unrest will be removed. Leaders say
they're making an effort to meet with other pandits to
get to the bottom of the issue. The pandit is being sent
back to India for disciplinary reasons.

http://www.kcrg.com/home/top-9/Sheriffs-Office-Wont-Help-With-Next-Attempt-To-Remove-Pandit--249973471.html#ixzz2vqbCqYwZ

On Thu, 3/13/14, anartax...@yahoo.com
anartax...@yahoo.com wrote:

Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned
from the pundit riots?

To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

Date: Thursday, March 13, 2014,

The

photos of the compound in the newspaper look much
like

a minimum-security prison compound. I think all we need
to

do is have a more flexible mindset (characteristic of

creative intelligence: flexibility) and agree that
slavery

is a good thing, and encourage its practise. Let's
keep

those little buggers locked up! Organisational
transparency,

freedom, compassion, that's for wimps. Totalitarian

ideas is what this situation needs. Any situation that

requires the natural, spontaneous flow of all the laws
of

nature to produce results must be forced into this mould
at

all costs.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
LEnglish5@...

wrote :

Are

you *really* trying to make a case that children
essentially

sold into slavery by their own parents have an obligation
to

fulfill their contract?

Are you saying

that if said *adults* are not fulfilling the terms of
their

legal

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit riots?

2014-03-13 Thread awoelflebater


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

 turq, I agree with you that the program should be disbanded. But only if greed 
and other forms of ignorance are at the heart of it. However, if at its heart 
is a desire to relieve suffering in the world, then I say let the program be 
reassessed and fixed somehow.

I keep thinking: it has been a long, hard winter in Iowa. There have been 
several mornings where a person could take one step out their door, slip on ice 
and fall flat on their butt. There was one blizzard in the early evening that 
caused severe white beyond a short distance. There has been snowfall after 
snowfall requiring constant shoveling of snow, donning of cold weather gear, 
walking outside in freezing temps, icy winds from Canada.

Now imagine 500 young men from a hot climate trying to deal with that! For one 
thing, can you say cabin fever?! All I'm saying is perhaps this is a factor in 
the situation. Of course along with all that you note. But can we really know 
the motivations of all concerned? The parents, the TMO, the pundits themselves? 
And what about our own motivations as we ascribe blame without having all the 
facts?

Can we ever know all the facts? Is there such a thing as facts anyway? 

I feel in this post of yours a lot of compassion. For that I thank you.
 

 Compassion?! Share, are you blind and crazy? All Bawwy is doing is using this 
incident as an excuse to continue to diss the TM movement. He doesn't care one 
iota about human freedom or the 'imprisonment' or slave labour supposedly 
being inflicted on these particular pandits. Bawwy just built himself another 
soapbox - this time on the backs of the pandits.
 

 

 
 
 On Thursday, March 13, 2014 6:39 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... wrote:
 
   
 From: LEnglish5@... LEnglish5@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 11:06 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit riots?
 
 
   Are you *really* trying to make a case that children essentially sold into 
slavery by their own parents have an obligation to fulfill their contract? 

 

 Are you saying that if said *adults* are not fulfilling the terms of their 
legal contract, they should continue to be housed in the USA and paid money 
rather than flown back to their home country?
 

 You seem to be attempting to paint them as victims. 

Indeed I am. I am furthermore suggesting that the entire program is an 
ill-disguised form of modern child slavery, promoted by a known rapist in India 
as a mechanism to suck millions of dollars worth of donations from dumb TMers 
around the world, with the aid of the international TM movement and shills such 
as yourself. 

I am suggesting that the entire program -- both here and in India -- be 
disbanded and eliminated immediately, and that serious investigations be 
initiated to determine the extent of the abuse perpetrated on these kids and 
their parents. 

YOU are the one seeming to *defend* this indentured servitude. I suggest that 
you stop trying to shoot the messenger and instead try to do so. That is, 
provide some scientific evidence that these kids' chanting does *anything at 
all*, either for them, or for the world as a whole. If you cannot, I have to 
assume that you are merely acting out the knee-jerk cult programming you've 
been indoctrinated with. I would further suggest that this behavior makes YOU 
more than a little a victim yourself.

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Jet Vanishes


On 3/13/2014 8:52 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:


*Why did the transponder stop transmitting?*



That's in my next theory: The transponder was deliberately turned off.




My bet is still on the aircraft's possible sudden, rapid 
depressurization theory. If the pilots failed to put on masks they 
could have blacked out from the lack of oxygen. So, this theory goes 
like this: the sudden decompression of the plane for unknown reasons, 
but it could have been from a crack in the fuselage; turning the plane 
to return to land with auto-pilot on; failure to don face masks; the 
flight continues for four hours; the plane runs out of fuel; and falls 
into the Indian Ocean.


In this scenario, all the passengers and the pilots would be long dead 
before the actual crash, since no cell phone calls came from any of 
the passengers. This would also account for calls being made to some 
of the passengers by their relatives - the phones were still connected 
but no answer was heard. Go figure.


‘There Is Nothing’: Malaysian Authorities Do Not Find Missing Plane 
Where Chinese Satellite Images Showed Possible Debris


CBS News DC:
http://washington.cbslocal.com/there-is-nothing-malaysian/plane/possible-debris/ 
http://washington.cbslocal.com/2014/03/13/there-is-nothing-malaysian-authorities-do-not-find-missing-plane-where-chinese-satellite-images-showed-possible-debris/

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit riots?

It would be most helpful for everyone to hear from the pundits, freely. 
 Who is going to speak to the pundits so we can hear the pundit side of this? 
The Raja Wynne ? It would be most caring to have independent mediation to hear 
what the pundit side really is. Send in the International Red Cross, the 
Attorneys General either State or Federal, or draw on the help of non-profit 
groups that specialize in traffic-ed workers.  Let the pundits speak so 
everyone can hear it. What are the pundits saying?
 -Buck
 

 authfriend writes:

 There may be, shall we say, mixed motivations--i.e., other than 
compassion--involved in the ascribing of blame by the TM critics on FFL. In the 
past, when the TMO has come significantly a-cropper, there have been veritable 
explosions of glee here from the critics, just as in this instance.
 

 I think it may be naive to attribute that glee to compassion. Such an 
attribution, in fact, looks a lot like pandering. Nobody wants the pandits to 
suffer; that's a given and really doesn't merit special acclaim.
 

 ...But can we really know the motivations of all concerned? The parents, the 
TMO, the pundits themselves? And what about our own motivations as we ascribe 
blame without having all the facts?
 
Can we ever know all the facts? Is there such a thing as facts anyway? 

I feel in this post of yours a lot of compassion. For that I thank you.
 .

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit riots?

From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 2:51 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit riots?

that's great TurqB!
I can only hope that lawyer Better Call Goldstein and many others read it. This 
IS, after all, the precedent they are about to set. I also hope that Google's 
search placement algorithms rank my posts today high enough than a number of 
TMers and interested lurkers out there in Networld find and see them. This 
really IS an issue of child slavery as far as I can tell, and sooner or later 
it's all going to come out, and the TM movement will perish as a result. Better 
than they divorce themselves from the whole thing and throw Girish  Co. to the 
wolves sooner rather than later.

On Thu, 3/13/14, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com wrote:

Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit riots?
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, March 13, 2014, 1:23 PM

Conversation in the future:

Child: What did you do for the TM movement, Daddy? I mean,
before it was able to usher in the Age Of Enlightenment and
ensure peace for all of us?

Father: Well, son, I worked on the MUM Pundit Removal Squad.

Child: What was that, Daddy?

Father: Well, there were some unruly pundits -- obviously
unstressing or possessed by rakshasas -- who needed to be
removed from the pundit pris...uh...I mean...compound after
they'd created a ruckus and jeopardized our
cashflo...uh...I mean...our efforts for world peace.

Child: So how did you remove them, Daddy?

Father: Well, we couldn't get local law enforcement to
do it for us any more, after they had an unpleasant
experience
being driven away by a bunch of teenagers, so we created
our own elite force to handle such removals in
the future.

Child: Did you have a uniform, Daddy?

Father: You betcha, son. Shiny black boots and black
jumpsuit, and a way scary billy club and Taser to subdue
unruly teenagers with. 

Child: How many unruly pundits did you remove,
Daddy?

Father: I've lost count, son. But it was all worth it,
because we all live in the Age Of Enlightenment now, and
everything is perfect. Now stop asking questions and eat
your peas.

Child: But I don't *like* peas, Daddy. 

Father: Do you want me to get the Taser again? Do as
you're told...

---

From: Michael
Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com
To:
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent:
Thursday, March 13, 2014 2:03 PM
Subject: Re:
[FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit
riots?

This is great! Now when the pundits riot, they
can tear up the MUM cars!

Sheriff's Office Won't Help With Next Attempt To
Remove Pandit

By Mark Carlson, Reporter

FAIRFIELD, Iowa - A pandit leader that inadvertently
triggered some unrest near Fairfield Tuesday will still be
removed, only this time the Jefferson County Sheriff's
office won't be preset.

Bill Goldstein, co-supervisor of the pandit project, said he
doesn't anticipate seeking assistance from law
enforcement when the pandit is removed on a second attempt
to send him back to India.

On Tuesday, dozens of pandits threw rocks at a Sheriff's
vehicle as the Sheriff monitored the removal of the pandit
at the request of supervisors on the project. The protesters
damaged the car, but the sheriff was able to escape
unharmed. The pandit leader was eventually returned to the
campus in a peace keeping effort.

Pandits are meditators who come from India to pray for peace
in a gated campus outside of Fairfield. They come for two to
three year rotations from India as part of a program that
started nearly a decade ago. They are not students of the
nearby Maharishi University of Management, although the
university did assist with getting the program started.

It's not clear when the pandit who triggered
Tuesday's unrest will be removed. Leaders say
they're making an effort to meet with other pandits to
get to the bottom of the issue. The pandit is being sent
back to India for disciplinary reasons.

Read more:
http://www.kcrg.com/home/top-9/Sheriffs-Office-Wont-Help-With-Next-Attempt-To-Remove-Pandit--249973471.html#ixzz2vqbCqYwZ

On Thu, 3/13/14, anartax...@yahoo.com
anartax...@yahoo.com wrote:

Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned
from the pundit riots?

To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

Date: Thursday, March 13, 2014, 

The

 photos of the compound in the newspaper look much
like

a minimum-security prison compound. I think all we need
to

do is have a more flexible mindset (characteristic of

creative intelligence: flexibility) and agree that
slavery

is a good thing, and encourage its practise. Let's
keep

those little buggers locked up! Organisational
transparency,

freedom,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit riots?

From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com dhamiltony...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 3:03 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit riots?

It would be most helpful for
everyone to hear from the pundits, freely.  
Who is going to speak to the pundits
so we can hear the pundit side of this?  The Raja Wynne ?  It would
be most caring to have independent mediation to hear what the pundit
side really is.  Send in the International Red Cross, the Attorneys General 
either State or Federal, or draw on the help of non-profit
groups that specialize in traffic-ed workers.  Let the pundits speak
so everyone can hear it.  What are the pundits saying?
For once, I agree with Buck. That's what my posts today have been hinting at. 

This whole matter needs to be taken out of the hands of people who profit from 
it as it is. Turn it over to independent investigators and the press. Don't 
exclude criminal and human rights violation investigators, either in Fairfield 
or in India.

Attempts to spirit Mishra away in the dead of night should serve only to 
confirm my suspicions, not dispel them. Any attempt to prevent pundits from 
speaking directly to the press should be viewed the same way. Any attempt to 
cherry-pick those who get to speak to the press, ditto. 

Put up or shut up, TM movement.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit riots?


On 3/13/2014 8:23 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote:
Well, there were some unruly pundits -- obviously unstressing or 
possessed by rakshasas


What is wrong with you, Barry? The pundits are students from India, not 
unruly black devil rakshasas. Maybe you should learn a little Sanskrit 
before you go using a language you can't even understand, making fun of 
people based on their birth circumstances - in the USA we don't believe 
in the caste system anymore. The pundit program has nothing to do with 
skin color. You'resounding like a Texas bigot that hates black people. 
Go figure.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit riots?

2014-03-13 Thread wgm4u

 Maybe they could send over Jimmy Carter to get to the bottom of this 
international scandal rocking the Country.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 From: dhamiltony2k5@... dhamiltony2k5@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 3:03 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit riots?

   It would be most helpful for everyone to hear from the pundits, freely. 
 Who is going to speak to the pundits so we can hear the pundit side of this? 
The Raja Wynne ? It would be most caring to have independent mediation to hear 
what the pundit side really is. Send in the International Red Cross, the 
Attorneys General either State or Federal, or draw on the help of non-profit 
groups that specialize in traffic-ed workers.  Let the pundits speak so 
everyone can hear it. What are the pundits saying?

For once, I agree with Buck. That's what my posts today have been hinting at. 

This whole matter needs to be taken out of the hands of people who profit from 
it as it is. Turn it over to independent investigators and the press. Don't 
exclude criminal and human rights violation investigators, either in Fairfield 
or in India.

Attempts to spirit Mishra away in the dead of night should serve only to 
confirm my suspicions, not dispel them. Any attempt to prevent pundits from 
speaking directly to the press should be viewed the same way. Any attempt to 
cherry-pick those who get to speak to the press, ditto. 

Put up or shut up, TM movement.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit riots?

dear Buck and turq, if you think anyone EVER speaks freely, then I am grateful 
to you both for your hopefulness. IMO the only people who ever speak completely 
freely, are those people who feel, no, who experience, who live the reality 
that they have absolutely nothing to lose.

Having said that, I agree, let the pundits speak. Bring in Intl. Red Cross and 
such, yes, both here and in India. But Buck, I'd say leave local orgs out of 
it. And I say, if these pundits were forced as young children to join this 
program, then they and their families must be paid whatever they are owed and 
freed immediately.

And if the program does continue with volunteer pundits, at least build them an 
indoor soccer field so that they can get some fun exercise during the long, 
hard, Iowa winters. Seems like common sense to me. 





On Thursday, March 13, 2014 9:13 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
  


From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com dhamiltony...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 3:03 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit riots?
 


  
It would be most helpful for
everyone to hear from the pundits, freely.  
Who is going to speak to the pundits
so we can hear the pundit side of this?  The Raja Wynne ?  It would
be most caring to have independent mediation to hear what the pundit
side really is.  Send in the International Red Cross, the Attorneys General 
either State or Federal, or draw on the help of non-profit
groups that specialize in traffic-ed workers.  Let the pundits speak
so everyone can hear it.  What are the pundits saying?
For once, I agree with Buck. That's what my posts today have been hinting at. 

This whole matter needs to be taken out of the hands of people who profit from 
it as it is. Turn it over to independent investigators and the press. Don't 
exclude criminal and human rights violation investigators, either in Fairfield 
or in India.

Attempts to spirit Mishra away in the dead of night should serve only to 
confirm my suspicions, not dispel them. Any attempt to prevent pundits from 
speaking directly to the press should be viewed the same way. Any attempt to 
cherry-pick those who get to speak to the press, ditto. 

Put up or shut up, TM movement.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit riots?

On 3/13/2014 8:51 AM, Michael Jackson wrote:
 that's great TurqB!
 
What you need to do is examine your own motives for contributing to this 
conversation. So far, you and Barry are not looking very good in the 
racial profiling category. Go figure.

There are probably millions of people attending religious schools all 
over the planet and there are probably thousands of instances of 
something happening in a campus parking lot somewhere, probably every 
single day.

The question is: does it matter than the students are Hindu religious 
pundits from India?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit riots?

Judy to my satisfaction I covered the issue you mention when I wrote: And what 
about our own motivations as we ascribe blame without having all the facts?

I felt turq's compassion in his post. I was not pandering. But you, as usual, 
are attempting to pass off your opinions as fact and your unsuccessful attempts 
at mind reading as successful.




On Thursday, March 13, 2014 8:43 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com 
authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
  
There may be, shall we say, mixed motivations--i.e., other than 
compassion--involved in the ascribing of blame by the TM critics on FFL. In the 
past, when the TMO has come significantly a-cropper, there have been veritable 
explosions of glee here from the critics, just as in this instance.

I think it may be naive to attribute that glee to compassion. Such an 
attribution, in fact, looks a lot like pandering. Nobody wants the pandits to 
suffer; that's a given and really doesn't merit special acclaim.


...But can we really know the motivations of all concerned? The parents, the 
TMO, the pundits themselves? And what about our own motivations as we ascribe 
blame without having all the facts?

Can we ever know all the facts? Is there such a thing as facts anyway? 

I feel in this post of yours a lot of compassion. For that I thank you.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Disciplinary action expected after riot Today's FF Ledger


On 3/12/2014 10:26 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:
*The guy they were going to send home is the /head pandit/, the 
leader. If he's a misfit, they've got even bigger problems than we 
thought.*


What we have to do is try to separate out the events that happened in 
the parking lot and what the head pundit did, or did not do, while 
leading the program. Apparently the head pundit has not been charged 
with anything. The big problem is that nobody up there seems to be able 
to speak any Hindi, let alone understand Sanskrit chanting of the Vedas. 
what I can't understand is why they call for a doctor, an M.D. like Tony 
Nader, who can understand Sanskrit, to go in there and check everyone 
for mental and physical injuries. He apparently only lives about a block 
away, according to my recent viewing of Google Earth. Go figure.


What we've got in Vedic City is a communication problem situation, 
brought on by a communication problem. If Admin had communicated with 
the student body BEFORE they called the sheriff, things might have 
turned out a lot different. It's not complicated.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit riots?

turq, upon what experience are you basing this story? What I'm asking is: have 
you seen the TMO use physical force against anyone?





On Thursday, March 13, 2014 8:26 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
  
Conversation in the future:

Child: What did you do for the TM movement, Daddy? I mean, before it was able 
to usher in the Age Of Enlightenment and ensure peace for all of us?

Father: Well, son, I worked on the MUM Pundit Removal Squad. 

Child: What was that, Daddy?

Father: Well, there were some unruly pundits -- obviously unstressing or 
possessed by rakshasas -- who needed to be removed from the pundit 
pris...uh...I mean...compound after they'd created a ruckus and jeopardized our 
cashflo...uh...I mean...our efforts for world peace.

Child: So how did you remove them, Daddy?

Father: Well, we couldn't get local law enforcement to do it for us any more, 
after they had an unpleasant experience
 being driven away by a bunch of teenagers, so we created our own elite force 
to handle such removals in the future.

Child: Did you have a uniform, Daddy?

Father: You betcha, son. Shiny black boots and black jumpsuit, and a way scary 
billy club and Taser to subdue unruly teenagers with. 

Child: How many unruly pundits did you remove, Daddy?

Father: I've lost count, son. But it was all worth it, because we all live in 
the Age Of Enlightenment now, and everything is perfect. Now stop asking 
questions and eat your peas.

Child: But I don't *like* peas, Daddy. 

Father: Do you want me to get the Taser again? Do as you're told...





 From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 2:03 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit riots?
 


  
This is great! Now when the pundits riot, they can tear up the MUM cars!

Sheriff's Office Won't Help With Next Attempt To Remove Pandit
By Mark Carlson, Reporter

FAIRFIELD, Iowa - A pandit leader that inadvertently triggered some unrest near 
Fairfield Tuesday will still be removed, only this time the Jefferson County 
Sheriff's office won't be preset.

Bill Goldstein, co-supervisor of the pandit project, said he doesn't anticipate 
seeking assistance from law enforcement when the pandit is removed on a second 
attempt to send him back to India.

On Tuesday, dozens of pandits threw rocks at a Sheriff's vehicle as the Sheriff 
monitored the removal of the pandit at the request of supervisors on the 
project. The protesters damaged the car, but the sheriff was able to escape 
unharmed. The pandit leader was eventually returned to the campus in a peace 
keeping effort.

Pandits are meditators who come from India to pray for peace in a gated campus 
outside of Fairfield. They come for two to three year rotations from India as 
part of a program that started nearly a decade ago. They are not students of 
the nearby Maharishi University of Management, although the university did 
assist with getting the program started.

It's not clear when the pandit who triggered Tuesday's unrest will be removed. 
Leaders say they're making an effort to meet with other pandits to get to the 
bottom of the issue. The pandit is being sent back to India for disciplinary 
reasons.

Read more: 
http://www.kcrg.com/home/top-9/Sheriffs-Office-Wont-Help-With-Next-Attempt-To-Remove-Pandit--249973471.html#ixzz2vqbCqYwZ


On Thu, 3/13/14, anartax...@yahoo.com anartax...@yahoo.com wrote:

Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit riots?
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, March 13, 2014, 
The
 photos of the compound in the newspaper look much like
a minimum-security prison compound. I think all we need to
do is have a more flexible mindset (characteristic of
creative intelligence: flexibility) and agree that slavery
is a good thing, and encourage its practise. Let's keep
those little buggers locked up! Organisational transparency,
freedom, compassion, that's for wimps. Totalitarian
ideas is what this situation needs. Any situation that
requires the natural, spontaneous flow of all the laws of
nature to produce results must be forced into this mould at
all costs.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@...
wrote :

Are
you *really* trying to make a case that children essentially
sold into slavery by their own parents have an obligation to
fulfill their contract? 

Are you saying
that if said *adults* are not fulfilling the terms of their
legal contract, they should continue to be housed in the USA
and paid money rather than flown back to their home
country?
You seem to be
attempting to paint them as victims. They are under pretty
much, as far as I can tell, the same kind of contract that
trained Jackie Chan as a Chinese Opera performer in Hong
Kong. Such contracts may not be the best thing for children,
but that is irrelevant to the question of what to do with
them

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Jet Vanishes

Richard, why would the transponder be turned off deliberately if the plane was 
in trouble?! 




On Thursday, March 13, 2014 8:59 AM, Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com 
wrote:
 
  
On 3/13/2014 8:52 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:

Why did the transponder stop transmitting?

That's in my next theory: The transponder was deliberately turned
off.






My bet is still on the aircraft's possible sudden, rapid depressurization 
theory. If the pilots failed to put on masks they could have blacked out from 
the lack of oxygen. So, this theory goes like this: the sudden decompression 
of the plane for unknown reasons, but it could have been from a crack in the 
fuselage; turning the plane to return to land with auto-pilot on; failure to 
don face masks; the flight continues for four hours; the plane runs out of 
fuel; and falls into the Indian Ocean.  


In this scenario, all the passengers and the pilots would be long dead before 
the actual crash, since no cell phone calls came from any of the passengers. 
This would also account for calls being made to some of the passengers by 
their relatives - the phones were still connected but no answer was heard. Go 
figure.


‘There Is Nothing’: Malaysian Authorities Do Not Find Missing Plane Where 
Chinese Satellite Images Showed Possible Debris


CBS News DC:
http://washington.cbslocal.com/there-is-nothing-malaysian/plane/possible-debris/

[FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit riots?

Indeed I am. I am furthermore suggesting that the entire program is an 
ill-disguised form of modern child slavery, promoted by a known rapist in India 
as a mechanism to suck millions of dollars worth of donations from dumb TMers 
around the world, with the aid of the international TM movement and shills such 
as yourself. 
 

 As I said, this is exactly the same scenario that created Jackie Chan, not to 
mention  Sammo Hung https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sammo_Hung,  Yuen Biao 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuen_Biao, Corey Yuen 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corey_Yuen, Yuen Wah 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuen_Wah, Yuen Tak, Yuen Tai, and Yuen Mo of the 
Seven Little Fortunes, and all the other students of the Chinese Opera of Hong 
Kong, who have provided the marital arts stunts in the Hong Kong martial arts 
movies for the past 40 years.
 

 ALL of them were enrolled in residential trade schools around 5 or 6. Their 
parents made deals with the school masters to train them in a trade (Chinese 
Opera) and they would work off their debt after they became old enough to 
perform in public.
 

 It may not be palatable from a Western perspective, but it's not exactly a 
rarity, and parents were convinced that they were doing their children a favor. 
Read Chan's autobiography, for example.
 

 If you're arguing that it is a bad thing, perhaps you are correct, but as far 
as I know, it is still a very strong educational model in India and certainly 
not limited to the TM organization.
 

 

 L

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit riots?

Lawson, I would say that if these children are forced, then the parents are 
mainly to blame. BUT...so also is the organization that accepts these coerced 
children into their programs. 

The TMO in my opinion, should only accept children who truly want to be in the 
program. There should be a screening process. Maybe there already is. 

But, is even that a solution? What if some parents offer their child. But after 
screening, it is found that the child doesn't want to be in the program. Then 
what? I'm saying it's neither straight forward nor simple.





On Thursday, March 13, 2014 10:01 AM, lengli...@cox.net lengli...@cox.net 
wrote:
 
  
Indeed I am. I am furthermore suggesting that the entire program is an 
ill-disguised form of modern child slavery, promoted by a known rapist in India 
as a mechanism to suck millions of dollars worth of donations from dumb TMers 
around the world, with the aid of the international TM movement and shills such 
as yourself. 


As I said, this is exactly the same scenario that created Jackie Chan, not to 
mention  Sammo Hung,  Yuen Biao, Corey Yuen, Yuen Wah, Yuen Tak, Yuen Tai, and 
Yuen Mo of the Seven Little Fortunes, and all the other students of the Chinese 
Opera of Hong Kong, who have provided the marital arts stunts in the Hong Kong 
martial arts movies for the past 40 years.

ALL of them were enrolled in residential trade schools around 5 or 6. Their 
parents made deals with the school masters to train them in a trade (Chinese 
Opera) and they would work off their debt after they became old enough to 
perform in public.

It may not be palatable from a Western perspective, but it's not exactly a 
rarity, and parents were convinced that they were doing their children a favor. 
Read Chan's autobiography, for example.

If you're arguing that it is a bad thing, perhaps you are correct, but as far 
as I know, it is still a very strong educational model in India and certainly 
not limited to the TM organization.


L

[FairfieldLife] Re: Disciplinary action expected after riot Today's FF Ledger

http://www.oprah.com/own-oprahs-next-chapter/Oprah-Meets-Iowas-Pandits-Video 
http://www.oprah.com/own-oprahs-next-chapter/Oprah-Meets-Iowas-Pandits-Video
 

 in the above video, Oprah meets Bhupendra-ji, one of the leaders of the 
pandits. It is obvious that he is much older than the 20-40 age group of the 
run-of-the-mill pundits mentioned in the article(s).
 

 My guess is that the guy they were deporting is either an informal charismatic 
spokesman or some kind of sub-group leader who thought he'd protect his friends 
from those non-Brahmin filth, er, Westerners.
 

 I'm also guessing that the pandits are so isolated that they've developed 
local gang leaders who prey on their ignorance of local customs (which they may 
not be aware of, either) like don't attack local law enforcement officers as 
it gets the attention of the state and federal law enforcement agencies who 
will kill you in an instant if they think you are a real threat to law 
enforcement officers in general.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit riots?

Read what I wrote again. You are lying when you say I was trying to pass off my 
opinions as fact. Not that it's a surprise to find you telling falsehoods. 
That's how you deal with conflict, dishonestly. And there's more than enough 
hard evidence of that in the archives. Want some examples? 

 I believe you were pandering to Barry and are not telling the truth when you 
deny it. And I write my posts for my own satisfaction, not yours. You did not 
cover the issue to my satisfaction.
 

 See how that works? I get to say what I think, whether you like it or not. 
Suck it up.
 

 
 Judy to my satisfaction I covered the issue you mention when I wrote: And what 
about our own motivations as we ascribe blame without having all the facts?
 

 I felt turq's compassion in his post. I was not pandering. But you, as usual, 
are attempting to pass off your opinions as fact and your unsuccessful attempts 
at mind reading as successful.

 
 
 On Thursday, March 13, 2014 8:43 AM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote:
 
   There may be, shall we say, mixed motivations--i.e., other than 
compassion--involved in the ascribing of blame by the TM critics on FFL. In the 
past, when the TMO has come significantly a-cropper, there have been veritable 
explosions of glee here from the critics, just as in this instance.
 

 I think it may be naive to attribute that glee to compassion. Such an 
attribution, in fact, looks a lot like pandering. Nobody wants the pandits to 
suffer; that's a given and really doesn't merit special acclaim.
 

 

 ...But can we really know the motivations of all concerned? The parents, the 
TMO, the pundits themselves? And what about our own motivations as we ascribe 
blame without having all the facts?
 
Can we ever know all the facts? Is there such a thing as facts anyway? 

I feel in this post of yours a lot of compassion. For that I thank you.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit riots?

On 3/13/2014 10:10 AM, Share Long wrote:
 accept children who truly want to be in the program. 
 
Parents send their children to boarding schools all the time, even if 
the child does not want to go - you don't have to like your parents - 
just do what they tell you to do. I would think that the MUM school is 
no different than most private schools, as far as a student screening goes.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Disciplinary action expected after riot Today's FF Ledger

On 3/13/2014 10:12 AM, lengli...@cox.net wrote:
 I'm also guessing that the pandits are so isolated that they've 
 developed local gang leaders who prey on their ignorance of local customs
 
I'm guessing that the pundits are pretty much just like everyone else 
that resides on campuses all over the country. According to my sources 
it is a mistake to think of any of the students as being ignorant Hindus 
- in fact, most of the come from cosmopolitan backgrounds and are quite 
familiar with local customs. Any of the adult students can come and go 
anytime they want to and go anywhere in town they want to go. You do 
realize that they do have transportation and Dollar Stores up there in 
Iowa - it's not like being up in Siberia. Go figure.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Disciplinary action expected after riot Today's FF Ledger

On the other hand, if it's true, as one of the reports had it, that Americans 
were tasked to sit with the pandits to make sure they were meditating, I can 
see how that might well have been perceived as insulting and demeaning, 
purity issues aside. 

 http://www.oprah.com/own-oprahs-next-chapter/Oprah-Meets-Iowas-Pandits-Video 
http://www.oprah.com/own-oprahs-next-chapter/Oprah-Meets-Iowas-Pandits-Video 

 in the above video, Oprah meets Bhupendra-ji, one of the leaders of the 
pandits. It is obvious that he is much older than the 20-40 age group of the 
run-of-the-mill pundits mentioned in the article(s).
 

 My guess is that the guy they were deporting is either an informal charismatic 
spokesman or some kind of sub-group leader who thought he'd protect his friends 
from those non-Brahmin filth, er, Westerners.
 

 I'm also guessing that the pandits are so isolated that they've developed 
local gang leaders who prey on their ignorance of local customs (which they may 
not be aware of, either) like don't attack local law enforcement officers as 
it gets the attention of the state and federal law enforcement agencies who 
will kill you in an instant if they think you are a real threat to law 
enforcement officers in general.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit riots?

Richard, as I was saying to Lawson, it's a complicated situation. But I would 
say, for this kind of program to create world peace, better to only have people 
involved who truly want to be involved. Otherwise it's flawed from the 
beginning. 

But it's a sticky wicket. What if the parent wants to enroll the child in the 
pundit program but the child doesn't want to be a pundit? What then?  





On Thursday, March 13, 2014 10:16 AM, Richard J. Williams 
pundits...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  
On 3/13/2014 10:10 AM, Share Long wrote:
 accept children who truly want to be in the program. 

Parents send their children to boarding schools all the time, even if 
the child does not want to go - you don't have to like your parents - 
just do what they tell you to do. I would think that the MUM school is 
no different than most private schools, as far as a student screening goes.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit riots?

2014-03-13 Thread nablusoss1008

Turq et. al. and other pseudo-Buddhists here just need something to unstress on 
considering the low interest in the Dolly Lama these days. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote :

 On 3/13/2014 10:10 AM, Share Long wrote:
  accept children who truly want to be in the program. 
 
 Parents send their children to boarding schools all the time, even if 
 the child does not want to go - you don't have to like your parents - 
 just do what they tell you to do. I would think that the MUM school is 
 no different than most private schools, as far as a student screening goes.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Disciplinary action expected after riot Today's FF Ledger

2014-03-13 Thread emilymaenot


 Oprah states in the video that security is for their protection since their 
presence here generates a lot of curiosity.
 Why is barbed wire needed?  Huh?  Is there bus service?  Are they allowed out 
to roam freely after their shifts are complete?  At the time of this video, 800 
men, mostly in their 20's, reside here.  Are they allowed to date?  
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote :

 http://www.oprah.com/own-oprahs-next-chapter/Oprah-Meets-Iowas-Pandits-Video 
http://www.oprah.com/own-oprahs-next-chapter/Oprah-Meets-Iowas-Pandits-Video
 

 in the above video, Oprah meets Bhupendra-ji, one of the leaders of the 
pandits. It is obvious that he is much older than the 20-40 age group of the 
run-of-the-mill pundits mentioned in the article(s).
 

 My guess is that the guy they were deporting is either an informal charismatic 
spokesman or some kind of sub-group leader who thought he'd protect his friends 
from those non-Brahmin filth, er, Westerners.
 

 I'm also guessing that the pandits are so isolated that they've developed 
local gang leaders who prey on their ignorance of local customs (which they may 
not be aware of, either) like don't attack local law enforcement officers as 
it gets the attention of the state and federal law enforcement agencies who 
will kill you in an instant if they think you are a real threat to law 
enforcement officers in general.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Disciplinary action expected after riot Today's FF Ledger

From: lengli...@cox.net lengli...@cox.net
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 4:12 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Disciplinary action expected after riot
Today's FF Ledger

http://www.oprah.com/own-oprahs-next-chapter/Oprah-Meets-Iowas-Pandits-Video

in the above video, Oprah meets Bhupendra-ji, one of the leaders of the 
pandits. It is obvious that he is much older than the 20-40 age group of the 
run-of-the-mill pundits mentioned in the article(s).

My guess is that the guy they were deporting is either an informal charismatic 
spokesman or some kind of sub-group leader who thought he'd protect his friends 
from those non-Brahmin filth, er, Westerners.

I'm also guessing that the pandits are so isolated that they've developed local 
gang leaders who prey on their ignorance of local customs (which they may not 
be aware of, either) like don't attack local law enforcement officers as it 
gets the attention of the state and federal law enforcement agencies who will 
kill you in an instant if they think you are a real threat to law enforcement 
officers in general.

Three comments:

1. When the credibility of a cult organization is called into question, trot 
out an old celebrity endorsement from two years ago in the hope that readers 
are as easily swayed by celebrity as you are. 

2. When the cult is threatened by events that have become public knowledge, 
find someone else to blame for them. Describe the fall guys using terms like 
gang leaders for maximum effect.

3. Try not to have any photos taken of yourself as you do and say this stuff.

[FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit riots?

2014-03-13 Thread punditster

On 3/13/2014 9:03 AM, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
 Send in the International Red Cross, the Attorneys General either State or 
Federal, or draw on the help of non-profit groups that specialize in traffic-ed 
workers. 
 From what I can see, Tony Nader lives just a few blocks from the campus, so 
obviously we should send in Tony, who is able to understand what the pundits 
have to say. And, we could send Dr. Nancy Lonsdorf over there too, she's an 
M.D. Let me know - if need be, I'll drive up there myself and have a talk with 
the pundits on the campus. Thanks for the suggestions, Buck. 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote :

 It would be most helpful for everyone to hear from the pundits, freely. 
 Who is going to speak to the pundits so we can hear the pundit side of this? 
The Raja Wynne ? It would be most caring to have independent mediation to hear 
what the pundit side really is. Send in the International Red Cross, the 
Attorneys General either State or Federal, or draw on the help of non-profit 
groups that specialize in traffic-ed workers.  Let the pundits speak so 
everyone can hear it. What are the pundits saying?
 -Buck
 

 authfriend writes:

 There may be, shall we say, mixed motivations--i.e., other than 
compassion--involved in the ascribing of blame by the TM critics on FFL. In the 
past, when the TMO has come significantly a-cropper, there have been veritable 
explosions of glee here from the critics, just as in this instance.
 

 I think it may be naive to attribute that glee to compassion. Such an 
attribution, in fact, looks a lot like pandering. Nobody wants the pandits to 
suffer; that's a given and really doesn't merit special acclaim.
 

 ...But can we really know the motivations of all concerned? The parents, the 
TMO, the pundits themselves? And what about our own motivations as we ascribe 
blame without having all the facts?
 
Can we ever know all the facts? Is there such a thing as facts anyway? 

I feel in this post of yours a lot of compassion. For that I thank you.
 .

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Disciplinary action expected after riot Today's FF Ledger

Damn, the image pasted into my first reply didn't come through. Trying again.  
:-)


Three comments:

1.
 When the credibility of a cult organization is called into question, 
trot out an old celebrity endorsement from two years ago in the hope 
that readers are as easily swayed by celebrity as you are. 

2.
 When the cult is threatened by events that have become public 
knowledge, find someone else to blame for them. Describe the fall guys 
using terms like gang leaders for maximum effect.

3. Try not to have any photos taken of yourself as you do and say this stuff. 







 From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 4:32 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Disciplinary action expected after riot
Today's FF Ledger
 


  


From: lengli...@cox.net lengli...@cox.net
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 4:12 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Disciplinary action expected after riot
Today's FF Ledger
 
  
http://www.oprah.com/own-oprahs-next-chapter/Oprah-Meets-Iowas-Pandits-Video

in the above video, Oprah meets Bhupendra-ji, one of the leaders of the 
pandits. It is obvious that he is much older than the 20-40 age group of the 
run-of-the-mill pundits mentioned in the article(s).

My guess is that the guy they were deporting is either an informal charismatic 
spokesman or some kind of sub-group leader who thought he'd protect his friends 
from those non-Brahmin filth, er, Westerners.

I'm also guessing that the pandits are so isolated that they've developed local 
gang leaders who prey on their ignorance of local customs (which they may not 
be aware of, either) like don't attack local law enforcement officers as it 
gets the attention of the state and federal law enforcement agencies who will 
kill you in an instant if they think you are a real threat to law enforcement 
officers in general.

Three comments:

1. When the credibility of a cult organization is called into question, trot 
out an old celebrity endorsement from two years ago in the hope that readers 
are as easily swayed by celebrity as you are. 

2. When the cult is threatened by events that have become public knowledge, 
find someone else to blame for them. Describe the fall guys using terms like 
gang leaders for
 maximum effect.

3. Try not to have any photos taken of yourself as you do and say this stuff.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rioting Pundits in Iowa

On 3/12/2014 11:40 PM, emilymae...@yahoo.com wrote:
 indentured servants and then moved to a citizen track. 
 
Do we have any evidence that the pundit work study program on campus was 
slavery? We have thousands of students around here on school programs 
where they work while taking classes, and many are Catholic Hispanic. 
So, does being a Hindu, or any other religion, have anything to do with 
getting on a U.S. citizen track? Go figure.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rioting Pundits in Iowa

On 3/12/2014 11:40 PM, emilymae...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Is the TMO contributing to immigration to America in their own special 
 way? 
 
According to what I've read, the TMO has contributed millions of dollars 
to help people immigrate to America by providing a university residence 
and scholarships for student education and job training. My guess is 
that there are probably thousands of students that migrated to the U.S. 
after attending courses at MUM, since 1973. That's what I think.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Pundits Rioted

On 3/12/2014 11:46 PM, emilymae...@yahoo.com wrote:
  Only in Fairfield.
 
It's happening all over - maybe you're not familiar with Spring Break at 
institutions of higher learning. Just last night, two guys from South 
Korea attending classes at University of Houston, broke into Sea World 
at San Antonio and were caught playing with some of the animals and they 
apparently stole some ice cream out of a cooler. They were put in jail 
and are waiting to see the judge today. Go figure.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Disciplinary action expected after riot Today's FF Ledger

This had nothing to do with a celebrity endorsement, you twisted twit. Lawson 
is addressing a specific factual issue, as to whether Mishra is the head 
pundit, as the news reports have said; and if not, what his real status is, 
since he appears to have been central to what took place.. 

 The truth is, Barry, you don't want to know what actually happened. You want 
to be the one who establshes the story according to your own bilious viewpoint, 
regardless of the facts. And anyone who goes in search of the facts and reports 
on what he finds, if it isn't 100 percent negative to the TMO, is to be 
demonized as a cultist.
 

 And how odd that you would find Lawson's speculation about the pundits' 
isolation to be blaming them for it rather than those responsible for keeping 
them in isolation.
 

 

 

 http://www.oprah.com/own-oprahs-next-chapter/Oprah-Meets-Iowas-Pandits-Video 
http://www.oprah.com/own-oprahs-next-chapter/Oprah-Meets-Iowas-Pandits-Video in 
the above video, Oprah meets Bhupendra-ji, one of the leaders of the 
pandits. It is obvious that he is much older than the 20-40 age group of the 
run-of-the-mill pundits mentioned in the article(s).
 

 My guess is that the guy they were deporting is either an informal charismatic 
spokesman or some kind of sub-group leader who thought he'd protect his friends 
from those non-Brahmin filth, er, Westerners.
 

 I'm also guessing that the pandits are so isolated that they've developed 
local gang leaders who prey on their ignorance of local customs (which they may 
not be aware of, either) like don't attack local law enforcement officers as 
it gets the attention of the state and federal law enforcement agencies who 
will kill you in an instant if they think you are a real threat to law 
enforcement officers in general.
 
Three comments:

1. When the credibility of a cult organization is called into question, trot 
out an old celebrity endorsement from two years ago in the hope that readers 
are as easily swayed by celebrity as you are. 

2. When the cult is threatened by events that have become public knowledge, 
find someone else to blame for them. Describe the fall guys using terms like 
gang leaders for maximum effect.

3. Try not to have any photos taken of yourself as you do and say this stuff.

Re: [FairfieldLife] So what have we learned from the pundit riots?


On 3/13/2014 2:55 AM, turquoi...@yahoo.com wrote:
Girish  Co. and Maharishi's relatives in India, who rake in a hefty 
bundle every year from the indentured servants they've managed to 
place in America.


Is there any evidence that Girish and his relatives get any money from 
the TMO pundit program - I may have missed this in the news articles 
posted to FFL. According to my sources, almost all of the money used to 
support the program comes from the contributions and donors.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Disciplinary action expected after riot Today's FF Ledger

Let's see now, this would appear to be a photo of Marshall Applewhite, head of 
the Heaven's Gate cult, which committed mass suicide back in 1997. 

 This would have exactly what to do with the TMO and the pundits? Or with 
Lawson, for that matter?
 

 Barry, you're losing your remaining marbles.
 

 

 

 Damn, the image pasted into my first reply didn't come through. Trying again.  
:-)
 

Three comments:

1. When the credibility of a cult organization is called into question, trot 
out an old celebrity endorsement from two years ago in the hope that readers 
are as easily swayed by celebrity as you are. 

2. When the cult is threatened by events that have become public knowledge, 
find someone else to blame for them. Describe the fall guys using terms like 
gang leaders for maximum effect.

3. Try not to have any photos taken of yourself as you do and say this stuff. 

 

 

 

 From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 4:32 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Disciplinary action expected after riot 
Today's FF Ledger
 
 
   
 From: LEnglish5@... LEnglish5@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 4:12 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Disciplinary action expected after riot Today's 
FF Ledger
 
   http://www.oprah.com/own-oprahs-next-chapter/Oprah-Meets-Iowas-Pandits-Video 
http://www.oprah.com/own-oprahs-next-chapter/Oprah-Meets-Iowas-Pandits-Video

 in the above video, Oprah meets Bhupendra-ji, one of the leaders of the 
pandits. It is obvious that he is much older than the 20-40 age group of the 
run-of-the-mill pundits mentioned in the article(s).
 

 My guess is that the guy they were deporting is either an informal charismatic 
spokesman or some kind of sub-group leader who thought he'd protect his friends 
from those non-Brahmin filth, er, Westerners.
 

 I'm also guessing that the pandits are so isolated that they've developed 
local gang leaders who prey on their ignorance of local customs (which they may 
not be aware of, either) like don't attack local law enforcement officers as 
it gets the attention of the state and federal law enforcement agencies who 
will kill you in an instant if they think you are a real threat to law 
enforcement officers in general.
 
Three comments:

1. When the credibility of a cult organization is called into question, trot 
out an old celebrity endorsement from two years ago in the hope that readers 
are as easily swayed by celebrity as you are. 

2. When the cult is threatened by events that have become public knowledge, 
find someone else to blame for them. Describe the fall guys using terms like 
gang leaders for maximum effect.

3. Try not to have any photos taken of yourself as you do and say this stuff.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Disciplinary action expected after riot Today's FF Ledger

2014-03-13 Thread awoelflebater


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote :

 
 Oprah states in the video that security is for their protection since their 
presence here generates a lot of curiosity.
 Why is barbed wire needed?  Huh?  Is there bus service?  Are they allowed out 
to roam freely after their shifts are complete?  At the time of this video, 800 
men, mostly in their 20's, reside here.  Are they allowed to date?  
 

 I'm pretty sure there is not a soul here who is presently interacting at FFL 
who knows the answers to any of these questions let alone lots of other ones 
that might be relevant. But this certainly seems to have a lot of people here 
pretty excited, some because it gives them the opportunity to pretend they are 
interested in human rights so they can use it as an excuse to say all sorts of 
stuff about the Movement and MMY. For others it seems to be scandalous. For me, 
I see it as an opportunity for the situation of the pandits to be examined by 
those who are not necessarily associated with TM and perhaps consequently all 
sorts of injustices against the pandits might be unearthed. An expose! Just 
think - scandal hits the pandit program and FF Iowa becomes overrun with the 
media.  The coffee house Revelations will have an upsurge in business and 
perhaps real estate values will soar. 
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote :

 http://www.oprah.com/own-oprahs-next-chapter/Oprah-Meets-Iowas-Pandits-Video 
http://www.oprah.com/own-oprahs-next-chapter/Oprah-Meets-Iowas-Pandits-Video
 

 in the above video, Oprah meets Bhupendra-ji, one of the leaders of the 
pandits. It is obvious that he is much older than the 20-40 age group of the 
run-of-the-mill pundits mentioned in the article(s).
 

 My guess is that the guy they were deporting is either an informal charismatic 
spokesman or some kind of sub-group leader who thought he'd protect his friends 
from those non-Brahmin filth, er, Westerners.
 

 I'm also guessing that the pandits are so isolated that they've developed 
local gang leaders who prey on their ignorance of local customs (which they may 
not be aware of, either) like don't attack local law enforcement officers as 
it gets the attention of the state and federal law enforcement agencies who 
will kill you in an instant if they think you are a real threat to law 
enforcement officers in general.

Re: [FairfieldLife] So what have we learned from the pundit riots?


On 3/13/2014 2:55 AM, turquoi...@yahoo.com wrote:
fits the legal definition of indentured servitude, which was 
declared illegal in America in the 1800s and by the United Nations 
General Assembly in 1948.


You seem to be taking a special interest in the TMO pundit boy program, 
but I wonder: is this just a chance to pick another fight with Judy?


My guess is that the instances of kidnapping for transportation to the 
Americas as indentured servants in America was rare in the past and 
probably non-existent today - the term indentured servant isn't even 
applicable in the pundit program case, since these are just students on 
a school work study program. Have any of the students or their parents 
lodged any complaints to the authorities?


Victims of Trafficking and Violence Protection Act:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victims_of_Trafficking_and_Violence_Protection_Act_of_2000

Re: [FairfieldLife] So what have we learned from the pundit riots?


On 3/13/2014 3:00 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote:

Damned Neo.


Most professional writers don't use Neo anymore for their news reader or 
to post messages to a news group. Go figure.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit riots?


On 3/13/2014 6:01 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote:
Are you *really* trying to make a case that children essentially sold 
into slavery by their own parents have an obligation to fulfill their 
contract?


Answer to previous question: Yes. it looks like Barry is interested in 
the TMO  pundit program in order to engage Judy in another argument. 
There must be thousands of people and their families who support the TMO 
pundit program, and none have ever charged any parents with forcing 
children into slavery. I guess it is all about winning. Go figure.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Disciplinary action expected after riot Today's FF Ledger


On 3/13/2014 11:27 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:


Let's see now, this would appear to be a photo of Marshall Applewhite, 
head of the Heaven's Gate cult, which committed mass suicide back in 1997.



This would have exactly what to do with the TMO and the pundits? Or 
with Lawson, for that matter?


Barry, you're losing your remaining marbles.


What we have here on our hands is a brain problem situation - a clear 
case of cognitive dissonance. Does anyone here believe that Barry cares 
one bit about international students getting an education in America? Go 
figure.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit riots?


On 03/13/2014 04:01 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote:


*From:* lengli...@cox.net lengli...@cox.net
*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Thursday, March 13, 2014 11:06 AM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the 
pundit riots?


Are you *really* trying to make a case that children essentially sold 
into slavery by their own parents have an obligation to fulfill their 
contract?


Are you saying that if said *adults* are not fulfilling the terms of 
their legal contract, they should continue to be housed in the USA and 
paid money rather than flown back to their home country?


You seem to be attempting to paint them as victims.

Indeed I am. I am furthermore suggesting that the entire program is an 
ill-disguised form of modern child slavery, promoted by a known rapist 
in India as a mechanism to suck millions of dollars worth of 
donations from dumb TMers around the world, with the aid of the 
international TM movement and shills such as yourself.


I am suggesting that the entire program -- both here and in India -- 
be disbanded and eliminated immediately, and that serious 
investigations be initiated to determine the extent of the abuse 
perpetrated on these kids and their parents.


YOU are the one seeming to *defend* this indentured servitude. I 
suggest that you stop trying to shoot the messenger and instead try 
to do so. That is, provide some scientific evidence that these kids' 
chanting does *anything at all*, either for them, or for the world as 
a whole. If you cannot, I have to assume that you are merely acting 
out the knee-jerk cult programming you've been indoctrinated with. I 
would further suggest that this behavior makes YOU more than a little 
a victim yourself.






Well, Lawson is a TM fanboy.  What would you expect?  You should know 
the type.  They were meditators who hung out at the local center and 
were experts on TM.  Most of the teachers hated them but put up with 
them.  I recall one went off to work in Europe on the TTC courses and 
came back after he took the Phase I of TTC and had lost his enthusiasm 
for the movement. ;-)


Other organizations actually teach their white folks how to performs 
homas, yagyas and other rituals themselves.  No need for imports.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit riots?

From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 5:46 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit riots?

Well, Lawson is a TM fanboy.  

I agree. What I am commenting on is that the *extent* of his fanboy antics are 
starting to sound like the rantings of a crazy-eyed cultist. I honestly don't 
think he realizes this.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Disciplinary action expected after riot Today's FF Ledger

On 3/13/2014 10:33 AM, emilymae...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Is there bus service?  Are they allowed out to roam freely after their 
 shifts are complete?  At the time of this video, 800 men, mostly in 
 their 20's, reside here.  Are they allowed to date? 
 
There apparently is no city bus service to Vedic City from Fairfield, 
but many of the residents of Vedic City have cars, so transportation 
isn't a big problem. According to my sources, any international students 
at MUM can go anywhere they want to go as long as it is not on someone's 
private property. Many of the adult students may prefer to stay on 
campus most of the time, since entertainment may be limited in a small 
town like Fairfield, but it's not exactly in the back of beyond.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Disciplinary action expected after riot Today's FF Ledger


On 3/13/2014 10:39 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote:
Damn, the image pasted into my first reply didn't come through. Trying 
again.  :-)


It took you years to get away from using AOL. Try using Google Chrome - 
it works great and it's free. No pirate worth his salt would be caught 
dead using Yahoo Neo. Go figure.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Pundits Rioted

For Lurkers looking in, for a perspective on how we live as the Fairfield, Iowa
meditating community see the recent post/link to the organizational flow charts
as to how we are as a living community here. The pundit thing is a small part
of the Fairfield Iowa meditator experience.

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/375646
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/375646

Om well, to anybody who is *new* to this looking in on Fairfield from the
outside you should know also for relative perspective that the pundit thing is
an outpost of all that is the TM meditating community in Fairfield, Iowa.
Most Fairfield meditators don't have anything to do with it and there was never
a lot of buy in to it for common Fairfield rank and file meditators. The pundit
program is a pretty exclusive thing that is run by a few super-ru's.
-Buck

punditster writes:

Does anyone have an accounting of how much money the TMO has spent over the
years on the pundit program? Go figure.

Authfriend writes:

http://thegazette.com/2014/03/12/riot-of-indian-meditators-causes-concerns-for-fairfield-residents/

Pandit campus leaders, who are affiliated with the Maharishi University of
Management in Fairfield, downplayed the incident Wednesday.

Does anyone have an accounting of how much money the TMO has spent over the
years on the pundit program? Go figure.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit riots?

When contemplating the relative sanity of Barry and Lawson, let's bear in mind 
that it was Barry who characterized Lawson's mention of a TV interview with an 
older Fairfield pundit as exploiting a celebrity endorsement--as if Lawson 
could have cited any number of other interviews of the pundit by a neutral 
party to obtain the same information but deliberately chose the one Oprah did. 

 Lawson has always been more objective, more commonsensical, and more concerned 
with the facts than Barry. He makes Barry's lunatic partisanship look bad; 
that's why Barry keeps accusing Lawson of being a crazy cultist, in the hope 
that others will disregard what he has to say.
 

 

 

 Well, Lawson is a TM fanboy.  
 
I agree. What I am commenting on is that the *extent* of his fanboy antics are 
starting to sound like the rantings of a crazy-eyed cultist. I honestly don't 
think he realizes this.

[FairfieldLife] Invitation for TMers to be positive about the pundit program

2014-03-13 Thread turquoiseb

I can't help noticing -- and in fact have commented on it today -- that most of 
the responses to the pundit riot furor have been pretty much standard cult 
fare, primarily consisting of Shoot the messenger and trying to demonize 
critics. 

And this coming from people who specialize in shouting Oooopsie anytime 
someone they're not fond of makes what they think is an error, and demanding 
that they own up to it and apologize profusely. Seems to me that the TM 
movement just made a pretty fucking big Oooopsie. Shouldn't they be held to the 
same standards these people apply to their enemies?

Well, this thread offers them an opportunity to do something different, 
something a tad more positive:

 If you believe that the TM Pundit Program is valuable, please explain to us 
WHY you believe this. 


Hopefully you will be able to present some credible arguments to back up your 
belief, something more than, Well...it must be good because Maharishi said it 
was. We'll wait. 


In the meantime, I'll explain my beliefs about the whole pundit thang, pointing 
out at the outset that these are *only* my beliefs, and suspicions. 

I believe that the pundit project -- in particular the recruitment of young 
(as young as 6-8 years old) boys -- to turn them into Maharishi pundits is 
and always was a cynical scam dreamed up by Girish Varma and Maharishi's other 
relatives in India. It's a cash cow to get suckers to donate big bucks for 
something they know nothing about and support only because of Maharishisez, 
but will continue to support anyway with their money because Maharishiseddit. 

I suspect that Girish Varma and his ilk thought up this scam and then either 
blackmailed Maharishi into supporting it, or took advantage of his end-of-life 
dementia and vanity (he *did* spend his last days focusing on and applauding 
mainly efforts to build monuments to his memory, after all) to get him to throw 
his support behind it. This succeeded, and forced the TM movement to *also* 
support it, again because of the all-powerful Maharishisez. 

After he died, the cash cow continued on its own, still raking in money from 
supporters eager to do something to honor Maharishi's memory and (in their 
minds, at least) help to create world peace. And yet in all of the years the 
program has been in existence, I don't remember ANY evidence being presented 
that it has accomplished anything at all *except* being an effective cash cow 
to sucker donations from TM practitioners. It's in my opinion a cynical scam 
that takes advantage of poverty and ignorance to convince poor parents into 
selling their children into indentured servitude, all for the profit of Girish 
Varma and his Indian mafia. 


That's my honest opinion. Here's your opportunity to provide yours. If you feel 
you can make a case for the pundit program providing benefit, and thus being 
continued, please do so.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Invitation for TMers to be positive about the pundit program

Please cite examples of demanding that they own up to and apologize profusely 
for Oopsies. 
 

 You can't? You made that up?
 

 Opsie.
 

 As I've pointed out before, messengers who lack basic integrity DESERVE to be 
shot. Barry--just, you know, for example--has ignored the comments I've made 
that were critical of the TMO in this case and has deliberately 
mischaracterized Lawson's approach to the scandal.
 

 Barry is welcome to consider me his enemy if that floats his boat, but I 
don't consider him my enemy. He doesn't have the chops.
 

 As far as the pundit program is concerned, I have no reason to believe it's 
valuable in terms of furthering world peace. Whether it's of value to the 
pundits, I have no more idea than Barry does.
 

 

 And this coming from people who specialize in shouting Oooopsie anytime 
someone they're not fond of makes what they think is an error, and demanding 
that they own up to it and apologize profusely. Seems to me that the TM 
movement just made a pretty fucking big Oooopsie. Shouldn't they be held to the 
same standards these people apply to their enemies?
 
Well, this thread offers them an opportunity to do something different, 
something a tad more positive:

 If you believe that the TM Pundit Program is valuable, please explain to us 
WHY you believe this.

Re: [FairfieldLife] So what have we learned from the pundit riots?

This is what happens when you hire 20 year olds at +120K a year who have
no experience in the business, just college theory. Does that sound
crazy enough to you? The Neo concept is known in the industry as
mobile first which means you develop for a mobile device then the
desktop environment. The second part of the problem is ship, ship
shitty but ship. That was a statement I heard from Guy Kawasaki at the
1998 Palm Developers Conference.

Yahoo isn't the only one with this problem. Ever since I've been
developing for Android I've referred to Google as a lemonade stand
because it's run like a bunch of little kids selling lemonade.

On 03/13/2014 01:00 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote:
Damned Neo. This stuff at the top of the post was the result of
attempting to paste in a link using the very procedure that worked
fine yesterday. Nothing ever appeared in the Neo editor before I
pressed Send, but yet here it is. Sigh.

Separating it below from the actual text of the post, for clarity...

*From:* turquoi...@yahoo.com turquoi...@yahoo.com
*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Thursday, March 13, 2014 8:55 AM
*Subject:* [FairfieldLife] So what have we learned from the pundit riots?

Trying to follow the news reports posted here, it seems to me that we
can discern a few things about the pundit project, how it is run,
and what that says about TM, the TMSP, and the TMO:

- First, and above all else, the MUM administration knows nothing at
all about what is happening inside the pundit compound. We can infer
this from the fact that they felt the need to plant non-Indian spies
inside the compound to find out.

- Second, I think we can infer from the above that everything is being
run by Girish Co. and Maharishi's relatives in India, who rake in a
hefty bundle every year from the indentured servants they've managed
to place in America. And that the MUM/American TMO is not happy
about that.

- Third, and possibly most damning, the MUM (and TMO) administration
has so little faith in its flagship product TM that it didn't believe
that the pundits were actually *practicing* it, and felt the need to
plant spies to confirm that they were meditating. What does this say
about *their* belief in TM taking advantage of the natural,
spontaneous tendency of the mind to seek greater fields of charm and
bliss (which are supposedly provided by TM)?

- The MUM/TMO administration obviously feels that it has the basic
right to discipline human beings who work for the princely sum of
$50 per month (with *maybe* another $150 going to their families) to
force them to practice TM and do what they're told. They even issued a
press release saying that more such discipline is planned.

- The MUM/TMO administration, despite their business-as-usual spin, is
fully aware of how damning an incident this is. We can infer this from
the fact that the person handling all press releases and interviews is
the organization's top lawyer, not one of the top TMO shills like
Hagelin, who is nominally in charge of the project.

- The official policy of the TMO is *still* quiet excommunication
for anyone who doesn't do as he was told. Mishra refused to allow his
buddies to be spied upon, so the MUM/TMO's immediate reaction is to
try to put him on a plane and send him back to India. This is
basically the *same* policy that has been in place for decades,
starting with quietly spiriting away anyone who freaked out or
attempted suicide on long TM courses in Europe. The policy cares
nothing about the person being spirited away, and is designed only to
protect the PR image of the TMO itself.

- This policy was about to be enforced without ever speaking to the
pundits themselves. We can infer this from Goldstein's admission of it
in the discipline press release. In other words, the peons *still*
don't need to be informed of any MUM/TMO decisions affecting them.
Their job is just to accept them and toe the line.

- The practice of TM, the TMSP, and presumably the Woo Woo ME that is
being sold for big bucks to governments and individuals as a cure
for post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) *obviously* does not have
the ability to reduce stress in any way. In this case, people whose
*whole lives* revolve around these activities, plus chanting the
Vedas, are full of enough stress, anger, and (yes) pent-up hatred to
trash a police car. The whole PRODUCT LINE being sold by the TMO is a
sham.

- As predicted, TBs like Buck choose to ignore all of these lessons
and continue to believe in the fantasy sold to him

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Describing Communal (Meditating) Fairfield

From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com

To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 7:58 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Describing Communal (Meditating) Fairfield

this pundit thing is going to wind up being a lot bigger than you think 
I agree. I suspect that this is the beginning of the end of the pundit 
project in America. I further suspect that if the larger TM organization clings 
to it and tries to support Girish Varma's scam out of misplaced loyalty to 
Maharishi, it will be the beginning of the end of the TM movement as well.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Disciplinary action expected after riot Today's FF Ledger

Chrome what?  The Chrome browser or a new laptop running Chrome OS?  
Better to learn the quirks of Neo. I cross check on Neo to see how my 
posts come out.  Images too big will get truncated if you just drop them 
into the message pane. Links will work though.  I put nothing but 
YouTube links into my message when I reply with Thunderbird and they 
display as embedded videos on Neo.  Perhaps the better suggestion is to 
dump the web site for replying altogether and use an email client like 
Thunderbird where you can arrange the posts all kinds of ways including 
custom methods as well as have a lot more control over one's replies.


On 03/13/2014 10:22 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote:


On 3/13/2014 10:39 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote:
Damn, the image pasted into my first reply didn't come through. 
Trying again.  :-)


It took you years to get away from using AOL. Try using Google Chrome 
- it works great and it's free. No pirate worth his salt would be 
caught dead using Yahoo Neo. Go figure.

[FairfieldLife] Shorts and T-Shirt Weather

It's still winter but here in sunny California we are having summer 
weather.  It's forecast to even go into the 90s where I live.  Not good 
for the drought so we can hope for some more rain to come in. In the 
meantime we now have to worry that the earthquake that struck off the 
coast up north the other day wasn't a prequel to a much bigger one on 
the Cascade Fault.

[FairfieldLife] Unity Village in Kansas City

Unity.  Going to visit there tonite.  Always interested to see how other 
utopian groups do it. Empty,  you around for coffee in the morning, or do you 
Unity people not do coffee?
 I am staying at the motel there in Unity.  Get there late tonight and around 
for a little while in the morning
 before I got to move on. 
 -Buck on the Road while Vedic City burns...
 

  http://unityvillage.org/village http://unityvillage.org/village

[FairfieldLife] Re: Disciplinary action expected after riot Today's FF Ledger

2014-03-13 Thread emilymaenot

Re: For me, I see it as an opportunity for the situation of the pandits to be 
examined by those who are not necessarily associated with TM... 

 This I like.  It would be valuable to commission an independent and 
objective review of the program and allow the feedback to inform policy 
decisions, communication, etc.  As was done for the Jonathan Martin/Richie 
Incognito situation at the Miami Dolphins (for those who paid attention to 
that), for example. But, this isn't the NFL.  Smile.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Disciplinary action expected after riot Today's FF Ledger

2014-03-13 Thread karuna54321

how do i reply

[FairfieldLife] Re: Disciplinary action expected after riot Today's FF Ledger

2014-03-13 Thread rick

Hit the Reply button in the upper right or lower left.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Describing Communal (Meditating) Fairfield

2014-03-13 Thread karuna54321

what is girlish varma's scam.?

[FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit riots?

2014-03-13 Thread punditster

What I am commenting on is your crazy-eyed cultist outlook - do you seriously 
think those folks up in Vedic City would be party to kidnapping and holding 
Indian children in forced labor camps? If so, that's an insult to people like 
Rick and Alex who live up there! Don't you think they would tell us if 
something like that was going on? Have you gone out of your mind or what, 
Barry? Go figure. 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 
 From: Bhairitu noozguru@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 5:46 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit riots?
 
 
   
Well, Lawson is a TM fanboy.  

I agree. What I am commenting on is that the *extent* of his fanboy antics are 
starting to sound like the rantings of a crazy-eyed cultist. I honestly don't 
think he realizes this.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Describing Communal (Meditating) Fairfield

Assuming you're trying to ask about my use of the phrase, it is my suspicion 
that he was the one who thought up the whole pundit boy idea and supplying 
them to the TM movement as a way to get more donations from TM practitioners 
that would find their way into his pockets, as I explained in the second part 
of this post:


https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/376220






 From: karuna54...@yahoo.com karuna54...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 9:53 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Describing Communal (Meditating) Fairfield
 


  
what is girlish varma's scam.?

[FairfieldLife] Being Faithful to the Guru

There are True Believers, and there are TRUE BELIEVERS!!!

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-26556395

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Jet Vanishes

2014-03-13 Thread doctordumbass

I am geeky enough to look that up -- Looks like a power interruption to the
transponder itself, would do it. Also, if Richard's theory holds, lack of
oxygen can get people doing odd things, including manually turning off the
transponder. In other words, no clue.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote :

Why did the transponder stop transmitting?

My bet is still on the aircraft's possible sudden, rapid depressurization
theory. If the pilots failed to put on masks they could have blacked out from
the lack of oxygen. So, this theory goes like this: the sudden decompression of
the plane for unknown reasons, but it could have been from a crack in the
fuselage; turning the plane to return to land with auto-pilot on; failure to
don face masks; the flight continues for four hours; the plane runs out of
fuel; and falls into the Indian Ocean.

In this scenario, all the passengers and the pilots would be long dead before
the actual crash, since no cell phone calls came from any of the passengers.
This would also account for calls being made to some of the passengers by their
relatives - the phones were still connected but no answer was heard. Go figure.

‘There Is Nothing’: Malaysian Authorities Do Not Find Missing Plane Where
Chinese Satellite Images Showed Possible Debris

CBS News DC:

http://washington.cbslocal.com/there-is-nothing-malaysian/plane/possible-debris/

http://washington.cbslocal.com/2014/03/13/there-is-nothing-malaysian-authorities-do-not-find-missing-plane-where-chinese-satellite-images-showed-possible-debris/

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Jet Vanishes

2014-03-13 Thread Pundit Sir

The transponder may have been turned off by the pilot or the co-pilot. As
far as why, you'll have to wait until after I talk to Dad tonight - he was
a pilot in the USAF and is keeping with this via all his AF connections.
There was a rumor yesterday saying the plane landed somewhere - that's why
the victim cell phones were still connected when some of the relatives
called some of the passengers an hour or two after they went missing. Go
figure.

US military now say they believe missing Malaysian plane HAS crashed
hundreds of miles away in the INDIAN Ocean...

Daily Mail:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/malasian_plane/http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2579955/No-wreckage-no-cracks-fuselage-no-secret-engine-data-Clueless-airline-officials-rule-EVERY-new-crash-theory-going-come-REAL-information.html

On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 9:56 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com wrote:

Richard, why would the transponder be turned off deliberately if the
plane was in trouble?!

On Thursday, March 13, 2014 8:59 AM, Richard J. Williams
pundits...@gmail.com wrote:

On 3/13/2014 8:52 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:

*Why did the transponder stop transmitting?*

That's in my next theory: The transponder was deliberately turned off.

My bet is still on the aircraft's possible sudden, rapid
depressurization theory. If the pilots failed to put on masks they could
have blacked out from the lack of oxygen. So, this theory goes like this:
the sudden decompression of the plane for unknown reasons, but it could
have been from a crack in the fuselage; turning the plane to return to land
with auto-pilot on; failure to don face masks; the flight continues for
four hours; the plane runs out of fuel; and falls into the Indian Ocean.

'There Is Nothing': Malaysian Authorities Do Not Find Missing Plane
Where Chinese Satellite Images Showed Possible Debris

CBS News DC:

http://washington.cbslocal.com/there-is-nothing-malaysian/plane/possible-debris/http://washington.cbslocal.com/2014/03/13/there-is-nothing-malaysian-authorities-do-not-find-missing-plane-where-chinese-satellite-images-showed-possible-debris/

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Jet Vanishes

Most experts now (from what I've been reading) seem to be pretty sure the
transponder was turned off deliberately. By whom, of course, is the question.

But there seems to be fairly solid evidence emerging that the plane was
functioning normally for a good four hours after the transponder signal was
lost--its engines are designed to report on their status every half-hour (I
think) to a ground (I think) station. That doesn't give any information as to
where the plane is or what direction it's headed, but supposedly if those
signals are being sent, it means the plane is still flying.

What that all adds up to is anybody's guess, but it would seem to rule out
loss of power or explosive decompression.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote :

Why did the transponder stop transmitting?

My bet is still on the aircraft's possible sudden, rapid depressurization
theory. If the pilots failed to put on masks they could have blacked out from
the lack of oxygen. So, this theory goes like this: the sudden decompression of
the plane for unknown reasons, but it could have been from a crack in the
fuselage; turning the plane to return to land with auto-pilot on; failure to
don face masks; the flight continues for four hours; the plane runs out of
fuel; and falls into the Indian Ocean.

In this scenario, all the passengers and the pilots would be long dead before
the actual crash, since no cell phone calls came from any of the passengers.
This would also account for calls being made to some of the passengers by their
relatives - the phones were still connected but no answer was heard. Go figure.

‘There Is Nothing’: Malaysian Authorities Do Not Find Missing Plane Where
Chinese Satellite Images Showed Possible Debris

CBS News DC:

http://washington.cbslocal.com/there-is-nothing-malaysian/plane/possible-debris/

http://washington.cbslocal.com/2014/03/13/there-is-nothing-malaysian-authorities-do-not-find-missing-plane-where-chinese-satellite-images-showed-possible-debris/

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Jet Vanishes

2014-03-13 Thread doctordumbass

I also read an article, stating that Malaysian airlines had declined to
participate in the voluntary engine info program, that you mention. I don't
know if that means they just don't get a performance report, or something more.
What a mystery. Reminds me of Payne Stewart's crash - loss of oxygen, dead
pilots and passengers, flew 'til empty.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote :

Most experts now (from what I've been reading) seem to be pretty sure the
transponder was turned off deliberately. By whom, of course, is the question.

What that all adds up to is anybody's guess, but it would seem to rule out
loss of power or explosive decompression.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote :

Why did the transponder stop transmitting?

My bet is still on the aircraft's possible sudden, rapid depressurization
theory. If the pilots failed to put on masks they could have blacked out from
the lack of oxygen. So, this theory goes like this: the sudden decompression of
the plane for unknown reasons, but it could have been from a crack in the
fuselage; turning the plane to return to land with auto-pilot on; failure to
don face masks; the flight continues for four hours; the plane runs out of
fuel; and falls into the Indian Ocean.

In this scenario, all the passengers and the pilots would be long dead before
the actual crash, since no cell phone calls came from any of the passengers.
This would also account for calls being made to some of the passengers by their
relatives - the phones were still connected but no answer was heard. Go figure.

‘There Is Nothing’: Malaysian Authorities Do Not Find Missing Plane Where
Chinese Satellite Images Showed Possible Debris

CBS News DC:

http://washington.cbslocal.com/there-is-nothing-malaysian/plane/possible-debris/

http://washington.cbslocal.com/2014/03/13/there-is-nothing-malaysian-authorities-do-not-find-missing-plane-where-chinese-satellite-images-showed-possible-debris/

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Pundits Rioted

2014-03-13 Thread ultrarishi

The Fairfield Fight Club association has created a new form of MMA  (Mixed 
Martial Arts).  It will be called
MMY for Mixed Martial Yagyas.  Be afraid.

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Jet Vanishes

On 3/13/2014 5:38 PM, doctordumb...@rocketmail.com wrote:
 What a mystery.
 
The pilot or co-pilot could have turned off the transponder and then 
turned the plane in a different direction and flew for another four-five 
hours and hundreds of miles at 500 MPH toward the Indian Ocean. My bet 
at this point would be on a hijacking, rather than pilot suicide (no 
suicide note yet found).

U.S. Investigators Suspect Missing Malaysia Airlines Plane Flew On for 
Hours'
Wall Street Journal:
http://tinyurl.com/qaj3mby

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Pundits Rioted

On 3/13/2014 5:39 PM, ultrarishi wrote:
 It will be called
 MMY for Mixed Martial Yagyas.  Be afraid.
 
Addressing the important issues!

There are probably tens of thousands of boy pundit students all over 
India and the world attending private schools just like the one at Vedic 
City, Iowa, and sometimes fighting in the playground during recess. Go 
figure.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit riots?

2014-03-13 Thread doctordumbass

I am kind of embarrassed for him, actually, the way he is going on and on, and 
on, about the pundit piddle. I would get it, if he were Iowanese, or even, 
Wisconsinian, but the dude lives in E-fucking-u-rope. He is a little too worked 
up about it, being that far away, and his desperation is creeping me out.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 
 From: LEnglish5@... LEnglish5@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 9:14 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit riots?
 
 
   The MUM/TMO administration obviously feels that it has the basic right to 
discipline human beings who work for the princely sum of $50 per month (with 
*maybe* another $150 going to their families) to force them to practice TM and 
do what they're told. They even issued a press release saying that more such 
discipline is planned. 

 

 

 Well, they get room and board as well, and their contract, as far as I know, 
is to come to the USA and meditate and perform chants/rituals in exchange for 
room, board, and $200/month.
 

 If they're not keeping to the contract, the TM organization is under no 
obligation to keep them around and pay them.
 

 Or do you honestly believe that they should be kept here in the USA  even 
though they aren't fulfilling the terms of their contract?
 

 If you DO honestly think that they should be paid to sit around and do nothing 
at all, when there are likely plenty of people back in India willing to come 
take their place, I'm quite interested in hearing your reasoning...
 

 
Lawson, this is not the first time I have had occasion to question your sanity. 
Are you really trying to make a case that these pundits, most of whom were 
*sold* into indentured servitude by their parents as pre-teens (according to 
previous news reports, as early as age 8) have entered into a contract with 
the TMO and Girish  Co. 

To have compassion for the parents, the previous news reports have established 
that most of them were dirt-poor and unable to provide for their children, much 
less provide an education for them. They were promised, in addition to a 
monthly income of $150 for themselves (the average monthly income in India is 
$99) and room and board + $50 a month for the kids, an *education* for their 
kids, which *has not been provided*. No evidence has been presented to 
counteract the claims from pundits themselves that the *only* things taught to 
them were how to perform the chants. 

Are you *really* trying to make a case that children essentially sold into 
slavery by their own parents have an obligation to fulfill their contract? 

Even if you *are* trying to make this case, I'd like to hear you explain why 
they *wouldn't* practice TM. If it's as great as you've been claiming it is all 
these years, why aren't they *anxious* to sit and meditate twice a day and 
experience all that clarity and bliss? I'll wait for your answer. 

As for plenty of people back in India willing to come take their place, thank 
you for establishing your credentials as a potential slave master yourself, 
willing to exploit young brown boys to create world peace for you. 

Reposting the Carl Sagan quote, because you -- more than almost anyone on this 
forum except for maybe Nabby -- personify it. Even *feste*, whose devotion to 
TM has never been in question, has been able to wake up and smell the coffee as 
the result of this sad demonstration of the ineffectiveness of the pundit 
program. Why haven't you? Have you got an explanation for this *other* than Mr. 
Sagan's quote?

 
 Another beautiful example why Bawwy is a social misfit, someone who dismisses 
anyone else who dare question his idiotic and mostly odious theories on how 
others operate. It is like Bawwy is deathly afraid to engage one on one without 
first getting out his protective suit of armour in the form of gratuitous, 
verbal violence. Take your Facebook graphics and go play somewhere else, 
jackass. Lawson is too smart for you anyway.

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Jet Vanishes

The Wall St. Journal reporter who broke the story on the engine communications
has an explanation for the Malaysian officials' denial. You'll have to listen
to the story--it's about 6 minutes--to hear exactly what he says, but basically
it's that the denial was very narrow and doesn't exhaust the possibilities:

http://hereandnow.wbur.org/2014/03/13/malaysia-plane-pasztor
http://hereandnow.wbur.org/2014/03/13/malaysia-plane-pasztor

All this stuff is so technical it's almost impossible for the layperson to get
a handle on it.

Most experts now (from what I've been reading) seem to be pretty sure the
transponder was turned off deliberately. By whom, of course, is the question.

What that all adds up to is anybody's guess, but it would seem to rule out
loss of power or explosive decompression.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote :

Why did the transponder stop transmitting?

My bet is still on the aircraft's possible sudden, rapid depressurization
theory. If the pilots failed to put on masks they could have blacked out from
the lack of oxygen. So, this theory goes like this: the sudden decompression of
the plane for unknown reasons, but it could have been from a crack in the
fuselage; turning the plane to return to land with auto-pilot on; failure to
don face masks; the flight continues for four hours; the plane runs out of
fuel; and falls into the Indian Ocean.

In this scenario, all the passengers and the pilots would be long dead before
the actual crash, since no cell phone calls came from any of the passengers.
This would also account for calls being made to some of the passengers by their
relatives - the phones were still connected but no answer was heard. Go figure.

‘There Is Nothing’: Malaysian Authorities Do Not Find Missing Plane Where
Chinese Satellite Images Showed Possible Debris

CBS News DC:

http://washington.cbslocal.com/there-is-nothing-malaysian/plane/possible-debris/

http://washington.cbslocal.com/2014/03/13/there-is-nothing-malaysian-authorities-do-not-find-missing-plane-where-chinese-satellite-images-showed-possible-debris/

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Describing Communal (Meditating) Fairfield


On 3/13/2014 4:14 PM, TurquoiseBee wrote:
it is my suspicion that he was the one who thought up the whole 
pundit boy idea and supplying them to the TM movement as a way to 
get more donations from TM practitioners that would find their way 
into his pockets


Yes, I think that's the idea - to get donations to support the school 
pundit program in India. That's what the director of a school does. Go 
figure.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit riots?


On 3/13/2014 6:03 PM, doctordumb...@rocketmail.com wrote:
He is a little too worked up about it, being that far away, and his 
desperation is creeping me out.


So, why do you suppose he is so interested in the pundit boys? He's 
never before seemed very concerned about international students on a 
state-side work study program. Go figure.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Invitation for TMers to be positive about the pundit program


On 3/13/2014 1:10 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:


Barry is welcome to consider me his enemy if that floats his boat, 
but I don't consider him my enemy.


So, it's all about Barry picking a fight with Judy so he can win an 
argument - it has nothing to do with the pundit boy program. Go figure.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit riots?

On 3/13/2014 10:32 AM, Share Long wrote:
 What if the parent wants to enroll the child in the pundit program but 
 the child doesn't want to be a pundit?
 
Every child needs to be taught how to read and write, Share, even if 
they don't want to be pundits.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Disciplinary action expected after riot Today's FF Ledger


On 3/13/2014 10:29 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:
On the other hand, if it's true, as one of the reports had it, that 
Americans were tasked to sit with the pandits to make sure they were 
meditating, I can see how that might well have been perceived as 
insulting and demeaning, purity issues aside.


It's probably not very complicated - you can't get into the domes to 
meditate if you don't know the TMSP because that would tend to interfere 
with the program of others. Likewise, the pundits don't let in anyone 
who doesn't understand a lick of Vedic Sanskrit, since that might spoil 
the whole mood. Go figure.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Describing Communal (Meditating) Fairfield


On 3/13/2014 2:05 PM, TurquoiseBee wrote:
I suspect that this is the beginning of the end of the pundit 
project in America.


Apparently this TB is not aware of the fact that in many parts of the 
world and in parts of India itself, the word pundit means Hindu: 
Chanter of the Vedic Sacrifice (yajna).


So, I seriously doubt that a single instance of child vandalism up in 
Iowa is going to be the end of Hinduism in America. If anything, it 
might inspire thousands of other poor children in India to get their 
parents to sign them up on the program - it sounds like a pretty good 
job for a young Hindu boy from India.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Disciplinary action expected after riot Today's FF Ledger

And how odd that you would find Lawson's speculation about the pundits' 
isolation to be blaming them for it rather than those responsible for keeping 
them in isolation. 

 And that may be the  most important issue here:
 

 the pandits may feel so isolated that they are lashing out or getting 
exploited by jumping ship on the way back to India, etc, and it may be the root 
of all the problems we've been hearing about. Maharishi,  in his 
Brahmin-worship idealism, may have thought that it was enough simply for 
Brahmins to participate in the revival of their cultural tradition, but real 
world issues have shown that there's something lacking here and the local TM 
organization has to figure out what it is.
 

 

 L
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote :

 This had nothing to do with a celebrity endorsement, you twisted twit. 
Lawson is addressing a specific factual issue, as to whether Mishra is the 
head pundit, as the news reports have said; and if not, what his real status 
is, since he appears to have been central to what took place.. 

 The truth is, Barry, you don't want to know what actually happened. You want 
to be the one who establshes the story according to your own bilious viewpoint, 
regardless of the facts. And anyone who goes in search of the facts and reports 
on what he finds, if it isn't 100 percent negative to the TMO, is to be 
demonized as a cultist.
 

 And how odd that you would find Lawson's speculation about the pundits' 
isolation to be blaming them for it rather than those responsible for keeping 
them in isolation.
 

 

 

 http://www.oprah.com/own-oprahs-next-chapter/Oprah-Meets-Iowas-Pandits-Video 
http://www.oprah.com/own-oprahs-next-chapter/Oprah-Meets-Iowas-Pandits-Video in 
the above video, Oprah meets Bhupendra-ji, one of the leaders of the 
pandits. It is obvious that he is much older than the 20-40 age group of the 
run-of-the-mill pundits mentioned in the article(s).
 

 My guess is that the guy they were deporting is either an informal charismatic 
spokesman or some kind of sub-group leader who thought he'd protect his friends 
from those non-Brahmin filth, er, Westerners.
 

 I'm also guessing that the pandits are so isolated that they've developed 
local gang leaders who prey on their ignorance of local customs (which they may 
not be aware of, either) like don't attack local law enforcement officers as 
it gets the attention of the state and federal law enforcement agencies who 
will kill you in an instant if they think you are a real threat to law 
enforcement officers in general.
 
Three comments:

1. When the credibility of a cult organization is called into question, trot 
out an old celebrity endorsement from two years ago in the hope that readers 
are as easily swayed by celebrity as you are. 

2. When the cult is threatened by events that have become public knowledge, 
find someone else to blame for them. Describe the fall guys using terms like 
gang leaders for maximum effect.

3. Try not to have any photos taken of yourself as you do and say this stuff.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Disciplinary action expected after riot Today's FF Ledger

Oprah states in the video that security is for their protection since their 
presence here generates a lot of curiosity.
 Why is barbed wire needed?  Huh?  Is there bus service?  Are they allowed out 
to roam freely after their shifts are complete?  At the time of this video, 800 
men, mostly in their 20's, reside here.  Are they allowed to date?  
 

 I dont' think they can date. I have heard that there's a bus that runs to 
local convenience stores so they can pick up supplies and porn. I get the 
impression they don't have anything to do except meditate, chant and play 
volleyball. Not necessarily the best way to keep young men occupied. They 
should have far more options, including guided tours of local points of 
interest, I think.
 

 And much of the barbed wire looks to be concertina-style, which can keep 
people in as well as out, but its often the most convenient way to put up 
barbed wire, so it may mean nothing that it is used.
 

 

 L

[FairfieldLife] Re: Being Faithful to the Guru

2014-03-13 Thread wgm4u


 There are charlatans everywhere! Not only in Indian philosophy! Even in 
Christian theology! Doesn't mean you throw out the baby with the bathwater!! 
the essential truths of Indian philosophy and religion remain true!

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 There are True Believers, and there are TRUE BELIEVERS!!!
 
 http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-26556395 
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-26556395

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit riots?