Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt
Yes, I really spent a lot of time bawling my eyes out when I was on that list. Tell me, is pat klien still on there? Now, That is one very smart woman. I tried to email her not long ago and did not get a response. Love the name, Will Feral...LOL, What do u mean Alice was trapped at 6 weeks? Sent from my iPad On Aug 26, 2011, at 12:08 AM, Beth Noren maxgoodb...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Marcia, Glad to hear Fletch is looking better! After what I went through with Alice (trapped at 6weeks, lost to wet FIP at 12 weeks), I'd leave him on it for awhile even after he seems ok, just to be sure. I am on the FIP list too, as hard as the FeLV stories are, FIP is even worse! I only got to know Alice for 6 weeks, but I was able to enjoy her FeLV positive brother Will Feral for 3.5 years, and at least see him grow into adulthood. I still miss them both. I also do vaccinations every 3 years on my adult cats, but I wait until kittens are a little older now and do just one thing at a time, even though it means lots more visits. And I will never again vaccinate anyone so soon after they have recovered from an illness. Guess the most important thing I've learned from these lists that it's ok to question my vet and sometimes say no, instead of just blindly trusting them like I did with Alice... I haven't had to deal with CRF yet (knock on wood). That is interesting about the kidneys, I hadn't heard that before. I wonder if I am stressing their kidneys out more by spreading out the vaccines? Hmmm, all such a balancing act! I do get yearly complete blood panels done on two of the surviving siblings of Will and Alice. They are both FeLV neg, but have severe food/environmental allergies. I think their immune systems just went on overdrive fighting FeLV and could never slow down. Wish the science on all of these diseases would move forward faster. Sigh. Hoping to hear of Fletch's continued improvement, Head bumps from Beth N., Blue, Moxie, Dash, and Scooter (Alice and Will's sibs) On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 12:00 AM, Marcia Baronda marciabmar...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Beth How are you? Dr chrisler said to keep him on it for 3 weeks, and then when I took the others in for testing, i saw Dr metzger. We were discussing Fletch and she mentioned that he could stay on it indefinitely if need be. But, I think I'm seeing some improvement today. His coat looks much better and he actually trotted across the floor today(-: yes, I saw a little bounce to his step. Warmed my heart! I'm with you, i vaccinate my cats, mainly because of panleukopenia, but I think it definitely drops their immune system. I also had a cat die from FIP. I loved her so so much and it broke my heart to lose her. Her name was Yogi and she was a botle baby. I immediately got on the FIP list. I was on it for a couple years and learned a lot from them, just like i am learning a lot from all of you(-; Tjis last year my daughter lost her 15 year old cat to CRF. We researched together to learn all we could. I think the most important thing i learned was that feline vaccine is grown on feline kidney cells and causes an imflammatory response on the kidneys everytime they are vaccinated, They think this could help lead to CRF. So vaccinating ccan be overdone, once every 3 yrs is enough and maybe too much! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt
I think it's just the panleukopenia vaccine that is grown on the kidney cells, I'll have to double check. Don't u think they would find another way? Sent from my iPad On Aug 26, 2011, at 12:08 AM, Beth Noren maxgoodb...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Marcia, Glad to hear Fletch is looking better! After what I went through with Alice (trapped at 6weeks, lost to wet FIP at 12 weeks), I'd leave him on it for awhile even after he seems ok, just to be sure. I am on the FIP list too, as hard as the FeLV stories are, FIP is even worse! I only got to know Alice for 6 weeks, but I was able to enjoy her FeLV positive brother Will Feral for 3.5 years, and at least see him grow into adulthood. I still miss them both. I also do vaccinations every 3 years on my adult cats, but I wait until kittens are a little older now and do just one thing at a time, even though it means lots more visits. And I will never again vaccinate anyone so soon after they have recovered from an illness. Guess the most important thing I've learned from these lists that it's ok to question my vet and sometimes say no, instead of just blindly trusting them like I did with Alice... I haven't had to deal with CRF yet (knock on wood). That is interesting about the kidneys, I hadn't heard that before. I wonder if I am stressing their kidneys out more by spreading out the vaccines? Hmmm, all such a balancing act! I do get yearly complete blood panels done on two of the surviving siblings of Will and Alice. They are both FeLV neg, but have severe food/environmental allergies. I think their immune systems just went on overdrive fighting FeLV and could never slow down. Wish the science on all of these diseases would move forward faster. Sigh. Hoping to hear of Fletch's continued improvement, Head bumps from Beth N., Blue, Moxie, Dash, and Scooter (Alice and Will's sibs) On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 12:00 AM, Marcia Baronda marciabmar...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Beth How are you? Dr chrisler said to keep him on it for 3 weeks, and then when I took the others in for testing, i saw Dr metzger. We were discussing Fletch and she mentioned that he could stay on it indefinitely if need be. But, I think I'm seeing some improvement today. His coat looks much better and he actually trotted across the floor today(-: yes, I saw a little bounce to his step. Warmed my heart! I'm with you, i vaccinate my cats, mainly because of panleukopenia, but I think it definitely drops their immune system. I also had a cat die from FIP. I loved her so so much and it broke my heart to lose her. Her name was Yogi and she was a botle baby. I immediately got on the FIP list. I was on it for a couple years and learned a lot from them, just like i am learning a lot from all of you(-; Tjis last year my daughter lost her 15 year old cat to CRF. We researched together to learn all we could. I think the most important thing i learned was that feline vaccine is grown on feline kidney cells and causes an imflammatory response on the kidneys everytime they are vaccinated, They think this could help lead to CRF. So vaccinating ccan be overdone, once every 3 yrs is enough and maybe too much! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: [feral-cat-chat] Interesting information about the Felv Snap test...PLEASE READ
Is this the one that checks for heartworms also? Our shelter stopped using those because we found themunreliable. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: SomeWhere Sam sin...@sbcglobal.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc: felvpositivec...@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 4:34 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Fw: [feral-cat-chat] Interesting information about the Felv Snap test...PLEASE READ Forwarded from the Feral Cat Chat list Somewhere Sam - Forwarded Message From: ethnedra...@yahoo.com ethnedra...@yahoo.com To: Cindy Sikes sike...@verizon.net; Tess Robinson tessheyw...@gmail.com; feral-cat-c...@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, August 25, 2011 3:15:53 PM Subject: [feral-cat-chat] Interesting information about the Felv Snap test...PLEASE READ Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile From: Val Garcia va...@cox.net Sender: dc-res...@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 16:15:08 -0400 To: Val Garciava...@cox.net ReplyTo: dc-res...@yahoogroups.com Subject: [DC-Rescue] . Some very interesting information about the Felv Snap test...PLEASE READ Very very interesting about the Snap test…. I wonder how many have unnecessarily put to sleep… I just learned some very interesting information about FELV. ??? had three cats test positive for it, when they knew that it was very unlikely ( neither the mother nor any of the other kittens in the litter tested positive, after repeated tests and they had the mother with them for a while before birth. One of the vet volunteers followed up. She had blood drawn at Caring Hands Vet and sent to Auburn University College of Veterinary medicine Pathology Diagnostic Services , which does some different tests, at about $30 cost. Auburn University College of Veterinary Medicine Pathobiology Diagnostic services says that the Idexx SNAP test can cause a positive result because some cats have a reaction to the cat serum in the test. They did two other tests on all three cats using a blood test called IFA as well as by another ELISA test called Symbiotics Viracheck. All three cats tested negative on both tests. And they concluded that they had reacted to the serum used in the Idexx SNAP test!! Also we should get the word out that the Idexx tests can cause false positives The number of the Auburn University facility is 334-844-2690 __._,_.___ Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: [feral-cat-chat] Interesting information aboutthe Felv Snap test...PLEASE READ
I believe that 10 wks old is much too young to get a definite test of anything...they're still developing their immune systems, and had they been exposed in any way, things can change. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of ccarlsb...@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 7:13 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: [feral-cat-chat] Interesting information aboutthe Felv Snap test...PLEASE READ Yes but what about a positive IFA test at 10 weeks old... Too young or still accurate...? Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Marcia Baronda marciabmar...@gmail.com Sender: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 18:10:00 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: [feral-cat-chat] Interesting information about the Felv Snap test...PLEASE READ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Pet Armor/Diatomaceous Earth
I'll send the site where we order these little nematodes - but if a nursery has them, great! We used to get them from Dr. Goodpet.not sure, where we get them now. We are busily preparing for the hurricane. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Olvey Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 7:21 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Pet Armor/Diatomaceous Earth They are just called beneficial nematodes and you can get them at some nurseries. I got some at Pike this year. You can also order them from online. I ordered some from Amazon. I haven't put those out yet so I can testify to them. I'm a little worried they didn't survive the trip through the mail because they have to be kept cool and when I got the order in the mail the ice bag was hot so they weren't kept cool the whole time they were in the shipping process. I'm going to put them out this weekend but I'm a little leary. But the first batch I got from Pike Nurseries in late spring worked great. Man did it cut down on the fleas and I didn't have those little black ants coming in either. I think I'll be putting them down every year from now on. I'm not sure if they work on ticks. Seems like they would if ticks spend a lot of time on the ground. I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn't..the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further. - Mark Twain From: ho...@sonic.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 14:15:53 -0700 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Pet Armor/Diatomaceous Earth Wow, now I have to ask...Friendly Nematodes? What are they called where do you get them! ~Bonnie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Natalie Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 11:38 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Pet Armor/Diatomaceous Earth No, we have our property sprayed against ticks, and use friendly nematodes around the house so that we don't have to use flea stuff on the cats. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 3:28 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Pet Armor/Diatomaceous Earth I KNOW THIS IS AN OLD ONE, BUT I AM SLOW IN RESPONDING SOMETIMES. It is now August an boy do we have seed ticks all over the place. I had been using Revolution on my cats because of heartworm (I live on bluff over a river and lots of ponds in our area, so lots of mosquitos) but I took Homey to vet for sturivite crystals in urine and she had some blood also. Vet gave her a long lasting antibiotic shot and now he is back to her normal self, but they called and said she was loaded with seed ticks. I check them every time they come in and I never noticed any s now everyone got a dose of tick treament. I have since found a lot of them on myself, seed and regular ticks. Anyone else haeing a big problem with them? Cindy McHugh ci...@furangels.org wrote: I noticed a couple people have mentioned using Revolution intended for dogs on their cats. I thought this was extremely dangerous. I remember watching an episode of Emergency Vets or one of those shows on Animal Planet where a cat died because someone used a flea product intended for dogs on it. So *please* be very, very careful when doing this and speak to your vet first about adjusting the dosage. Cindy Angel Jackpot From: molvey...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 19:18:36 -0400 It's so funny that this conversation has come up because I was just discussing it with my feline asthma group. Beth, I'm in GA also and having major major flea problems. I have a cat fence up so all my cats go in the backyard. That is making things ten times worse. I've been using Revolution for several years now with no problems. Like you, I work in a rescue and have a lot of cats so I buy the dog size and split it up between the cats. I don't know if the Revolution isn't working this year or if it's just an especially bad year for fleas. If you say Advantage isn't working then maybe it's just an especially bad year. Some people in the other group were talking about how sometimes switching products can help because either the fleas have built up a tolerance to the current flea meds or maybe the cat's system is processing the flea stuff differently because they've had it on them for so long. Who knows. If you've been using Advantage maybe you should try Revolution or Frontline
Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats
You can never rely on a single ELISA, that's for sure. Plus we know labs mess up human tests, so we have to know that IFAs sent out can get messed up, too. even if they are truly positive they can live whatever life they have just as happily as any other cat! Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Christiane Biagi ti...@mindspring.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 3:23 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats You know, not for nothing, but this testing is really really flawed! There are just too many stories of folks with inconsistent results. Life and death decisions are made everyday based on these tests and all of us who have felv+ cats know the tests to be a bit shaky. My own Tucson tested neg at about 3 months post years later even though she’d never been exposed to the outside or any pos cats….. From:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 3:15 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats I would retest the 1st one on the Elisa just to be sure. Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From:Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 3:00 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats Ours had only the ELISA, positive….2 ½ yrs later, the IFA – negative. New cat had ELISA, then IFA three wks later – both were positive. He had the IFA again 1 ½ yrs later – negative! From:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 11:25 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats Natalie, were they also re-tested with an Elisa? A negative IFA does NOT mean they don't have the virus. It just means it isn't replicating in their bone marrow. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From:Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 3:39 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats I got a FeLV+ cat 3/2 yrs ago…couldn’t find anyone to take him, he was very lonely. After two yrs alone, I found another FeLV+ cat – they became friends overnight. A few months ago, I decided to retest them, using the IFA – they were both negative. Just imagine, how lucky I was – one of them could have been positive, and I would have exposed the healthy one to FeLV! The strange thing is that the new cat had also had the IFA, but it was done to soon after the positive ELISA. Once you know that your cat is definitely positive, get another definitely positive cat for company. Chances are great that kittens of a FeLV+ mother will be positive more likely than not. From:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of April Johnson Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 2:38 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats In June we adopted two cats a young black female(Spicy) and a orange female (Sunny) from animal control. Our local shelter was overrun with cats and begging people to come adopt. When we took them to the vets a week after being adopted the receptionist asked if we wanted them tested. I did not know when I adopted them that animal control does not test the cats unless you request it. Well Spicy tested positive for Feline Leukemia. My vet wanted me to put her to sleep because she couldn't live with my other cats. I couldn't do it she was only 10 months old. So I transformed a spare bedroom into her home. She has a cat tree, sofa, windows and toys galore. I think she is lonely being by herself. A rescue in my area just posted about a mother cat and her juvenile litter of kittens having all just tested positive for feline leukemia. I was thinking of looking for a friend for Spicy. I had talked to a shelter in our area that takes in FELV and FIV positive cats. They recommended not adding because it could make Spicy sick or the other cat sick. Spicy is do next week to get retested for FELV, the vet said there is remote chance she could turn negative. If she is still positive do you think it would hurt her to get her a friend?? April ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt
All you have to do when administering antibiotics is to use probiotics mixed into their food. Just plain acidophiolus, will do, too. And if the cats happen to like yogurt, even better - but make sure you get real yogurt with real acidophilus, not some fake sweetended yogurt. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth Noren Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 9:34 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt Hi Marcia, I know popular opinion is to limit antibiotic use, because it can kill the good bacteria in the gut, but in my limited experience I prefer to leave immune-compromised kitties on it longer. I had one little FeLV pos kitten with a URI that had a 10 day regimen of Clavamox. She was vaccinated a few days later, as she seemed to have cleared the URI. Big mistake, I didn't know any better. The URI was not cleared, just masked by the antibiotic, it came back, lost her to FIP a couple of weeks later. When her positive brother started getting sick soon after, he got prednisolone twice for fever and was on clavamox for months (5, 6?) just in case. He never had any bowel problems from it. My vet finally said she couldn't in good conscious keep prescribing it for such a healthy cat. Had I left his sister on it (and not vaccinated so young) I feel her immune system may have been less exhausted and better able to fight the corona virus that turned into FIP and killed her. Best wishes, Beth On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 11:47 AM, Marcia Baronda marciabmar...@gmail.com wrote: Terri ...He's om amoxicillin and they said he could stay on that indefinitely. Do you agree? She also said we could try some prednisone. What are you opinions?? Take care everyone Marcia ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: [feral-cat-chat] Interesting information about the Felv Snap test...PLEASE READ
YES!! felv fiv and heartworms. that's what they used on all my cats! On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 8:24 AM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: Is this the one that checks for heartworms also? Our shelter stopped using those because we found themunreliable. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org http://www.furkids.org/ -- *From:* SomeWhere Sam sin...@sbcglobal.net *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Cc:* felvpositivec...@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Thursday, August 25, 2011 4:34 PM *Subject:* [Felvtalk] Fw: [feral-cat-chat] Interesting information about the Felv Snap test...PLEASE READ Forwarded from the Feral Cat Chat list Somewhere Sam - Forwarded Message *From:* ethnedra...@yahoo.com ethnedra...@yahoo.com *To:* Cindy Sikes sike...@verizon.net; Tess Robinson tessheyw...@gmail.com; feral-cat-c...@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Thu, August 25, 2011 3:15:53 PM *Subject:* [feral-cat-chat] Interesting information about the Felv Snap test...PLEASE READ Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -- *From: *Val Garcia va...@cox.net *Sender: *dc-res...@yahoogroups.com *Date: *Thu, 25 Aug 2011 16:15:08 -0400 *To: *Val Garciava...@cox.net *ReplyTo: *dc-res...@yahoogroups.com *Subject: *[DC-Rescue] . Some very interesting information about the Felv Snap test...PLEASE READ Very very interesting about the Snap test…. I wonder how many have unnecessarily put to sleep… -- I just learned some very interesting information about FELV. ??? had three cats test positive for it, when they knew that it was very unlikely ( neither the mother nor any of the other kittens in the litter tested positive, after repeated tests and they had the mother with them for a while before birth. One of the vet volunteers followed up. She had blood drawn at Caring Hands Vet and sent to Auburn University College of Veterinary medicine Pathology Diagnostic Services , which does some different tests, at about $30 cost. Auburn University College of Veterinary Medicine Pathobiology Diagnostic services says that the Idexx SNAP test can cause a positive result because some cats have a reaction to the cat serum in the test. They did two other tests on all three cats using a blood test called IFA as well as by another ELISA test called Symbiotics Viracheck. All three cats tested negative on both tests. And they concluded that they had reacted to the serum used in the Idexx SNAP test!! Also we should get the word out that the Idexx tests can cause false positives The number of the Auburn University facility is 334-844-2690 __._,_.___ Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Webhttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/feral-cat-chat/join;_ylc=X3oDMTJnOTJhOHI1BF9TAzk3NDc2NTkwBGdycElkAzI1MDU5NDU0BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNzMwMjU4NQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNzdG5ncwRzdGltZQMxMzE0MzAzNjIy(Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digestferal-cat-chat-dig...@yahoogroups.com?subject=Email%20Delivery:%20Digest| Switch to Fully Featuredferal-cat-chat-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com?subject=Change%20Delivery%20Format:%20Fully%20Featured Visit Your Group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/feral-cat-chat;_ylc=X3oDMTJlbGZlbzM2BF9TAzk3NDc2NTkwBGdycElkAzI1MDU5NDU0BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNzMwMjU4NQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNocGYEc3RpbWUDMTMxNDMwMzYyMg--| Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/| Unsubscribe feral-cat-chat-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe __,_._,___ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- *Marcia Baronda* *Baronda Supplies Service, Inc.* *1550 S 2700 Rd.* *Herington, Kansas 67449* *Phone: 785-466-2501* *Cell:785-230-6499* ** ** ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats
yes, that's true. we just have to manage. well i'm finding out from all of you that they can live a normal life...thank god! On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 8:45 AM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: You can never rely on a single ELISA, that's for sure. Plus we know labs mess up human tests, so we have to know that IFAs sent out can get messed up, too. even if they are truly positive they can live whatever life they have just as happily as any other cat! Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org http://www.furkids.org/ -- *From:* Christiane Biagi ti...@mindspring.com *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Thursday, August 25, 2011 3:23 PM *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats You know, not for nothing, but this testing is really really flawed! There are just too many stories of folks with inconsistent results. Life and death decisions are made everyday based on these tests and all of us who have felv+ cats know the tests to be a bit shaky. My own Tucson tested neg at about 3 months post years later even though she’d never been exposed to the outside or any pos cats….. *From:* felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of *Beth *Sent:* Thursday, August 25, 2011 3:15 PM *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats I would retest the 1st one on the Elisa just to be sure. Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org http://www.furkids.org/ -- *From:* Natalie at...@optonline.net *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Thursday, August 25, 2011 3:00 PM *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats Ours had only the ELISA, positive….2 ½ yrs later, the IFA – negative. New cat had ELISA, then IFA three wks later – both were positive. He had the IFA again 1 ½ yrs later – negative! *From:* felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of *Beth *Sent:* Thursday, August 25, 2011 11:25 AM *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats Natalie, were they also re-tested with an Elisa? A negative IFA does NOT mean they don't have the virus. It just means it isn't replicating in their bone marrow. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org http://www.furkids.org/ -- *From:* Natalie at...@optonline.net *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Wednesday, August 24, 2011 3:39 PM *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats I got a FeLV+ cat 3/2 yrs ago…couldn’t find anyone to take him, he was very lonely. After two yrs alone, I found another FeLV+ cat – they became friends overnight. A few months ago, I decided to retest them, using the IFA – they were both negative. Just imagine, how lucky I was – one of them could have been positive, and I would have exposed the healthy one to FeLV! The strange thing is that the new cat had also had the IFA, but it was done to soon after the positive ELISA. Once you know that your cat is definitely positive, get another definitely positive cat for company. Chances are great that kittens of a FeLV+ mother will be positive more likely than not. *From:* felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of *April Johnson *Sent:* Wednesday, August 24, 2011 2:38 PM *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Subject:* [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats In June we adopted two cats a young black female(Spicy) and a orange female (Sunny) from animal control. Our local shelter was overrun with cats and begging people to come adopt. When we took them to the vets a week after being adopted the receptionist asked if we wanted them tested. I did not know when I adopted them that animal control does not test the cats unless you request it. Well Spicy tested positive for Feline Leukemia. My vet wanted me to put her to sleep because she couldn't live with my other cats. I couldn't do it she was only 10 months old. So I transformed a spare bedroom into her home. She has a cat tree, sofa, windows and toys galore. I think she is lonely being by herself. A rescue in my area just posted about a mother cat and her juvenile litter of kittens having all just tested positive for feline leukemia. I was thinking of looking for a friend for Spicy. I had talked to a shelter in our area that takes in FELV and FIV positive cats. They recommended not adding because it could make Spicy sick or the other cat sick. Spicy is do next week to get retested for FELV, the vet said there is remote chance she could turn negative. If she is still positive do you think it would hurt her to get her a friend?? April ___ Felvtalk mailing list
Re: [Felvtalk] FelV Tests
Our vet clinic uses these tests and I questioned them about it. They guarantee they are fine, and I've had at least 5 cats test negative on them, but I've heard too many bad reports of these FelV, FIV and Heartworm tests to have any confidence in them. Lorrie On 08-26, Marcia Baronda wrote: YES!! felv fiv and heartworms. that's what they used on all my cats! On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 8:24 AM, Beth [1]create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: Is this the one that checks for heartworms also? Our shelter stopped using those because we found themunreliable. Beth ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Pet Armor/Diatomaceous Earth
Natalie Good luck with the hurricane! I hope there is no damage and no frightened cats! ~Bonnie From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Natalie Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 6:43 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Pet Armor/Diatomaceous Earth I'll send the site where we order these little nematodes - but if a nursery has them, great! We used to get them from Dr. Goodpet.not sure, where we get them now. We are busily preparing for the hurricane. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Olvey Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 7:21 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Pet Armor/Diatomaceous Earth They are just called beneficial nematodes and you can get them at some nurseries. I got some at Pike this year. You can also order them from online. I ordered some from Amazon. I haven't put those out yet so I can testify to them. I'm a little worried they didn't survive the trip through the mail because they have to be kept cool and when I got the order in the mail the ice bag was hot so they weren't kept cool the whole time they were in the shipping process. I'm going to put them out this weekend but I'm a little leary. But the first batch I got from Pike Nurseries in late spring worked great. Man did it cut down on the fleas and I didn't have those little black ants coming in either. I think I'll be putting them down every year from now on. I'm not sure if they work on ticks. Seems like they would if ticks spend a lot of time on the ground. I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn't..the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further. - Mark Twain From: ho...@sonic.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 14:15:53 -0700 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Pet Armor/Diatomaceous Earth Wow, now I have to ask...Friendly Nematodes? What are they called where do you get them! ~Bonnie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Natalie Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 11:38 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Pet Armor/Diatomaceous Earth No, we have our property sprayed against ticks, and use friendly nematodes around the house so that we don't have to use flea stuff on the cats. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 3:28 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Pet Armor/Diatomaceous Earth I KNOW THIS IS AN OLD ONE, BUT I AM SLOW IN RESPONDING SOMETIMES. It is now August an boy do we have seed ticks all over the place. I had been using Revolution on my cats because of heartworm (I live on bluff over a river and lots of ponds in our area, so lots of mosquitos) but I took Homey to vet for sturivite crystals in urine and she had some blood also. Vet gave her a long lasting antibiotic shot and now he is back to her normal self, but they called and said she was loaded with seed ticks. I check them every time they come in and I never noticed any s now everyone got a dose of tick treament. I have since found a lot of them on myself, seed and regular ticks. Anyone else haeing a big problem with them? Cindy McHugh ci...@furangels.org wrote: I noticed a couple people have mentioned using Revolution intended for dogs on their cats. I thought this was extremely dangerous. I remember watching an episode of Emergency Vets or one of those shows on Animal Planet where a cat died because someone used a flea product intended for dogs on it. So *please* be very, very careful when doing this and speak to your vet first about adjusting the dosage. Cindy Angel Jackpot From: molvey...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 19:18:36 -0400 It's so funny that this conversation has come up because I was just discussing it with my feline asthma group. Beth, I'm in GA also and having major major flea problems. I have a cat fence up so all my cats go in the backyard. That is making things ten times worse. I've been using Revolution for several years now with no problems. Like you, I work in a rescue and have a lot of cats so I buy the dog size and split it up between the cats. I don't know if the Revolution isn't working this year or if it's just an especially bad year for fleas. If you say Advantage isn't working then maybe it's just an especially bad year. Some people in the other group were
[Felvtalk] Got this from an animal network:
FYI - did someone already post this? Seems familiar. http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=654216039 Sam Thomas From A Feral Cat Chat List. I just learned some very interesting information about FELV. ??? had three cats test positive for it, when they knew that it was very unlikely ( neither the mother nor any of the other kittens in the litter tested positive, after repeated tests and they had the mother with them for a while before birth. One of the vet volunteers followed up. She had blood drawn at Caring Hands Vet and sent to Auburn University College of Veterinary medicine Pathology Diagnostic Services , which does some different tests, at about $30 cost. Auburn University College of Veterinary Medicine Pathobiology Diagnostic services says that the Idexx SNAP test can cause a positive result because some cats have a reaction to the cat serum in the test. They did two other tests on all three cats using a blood test called IFA as well as by another ELISA test called Symbiotics Viracheck. All three cats tested negative on both tests. And they concluded that they had reacted to the serum used in the Idexx SNAP test!! Also we should get the word out that the Idexx tests can cause false positives The number of the Auburn University facility is 334-844-2690 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Hurricane
On 08-26, Bonnie Hogue wrote: Natalie Good luck with the hurricane! I hope there is no damage and no frightened cats! ~Bonnie I worry more about the millions of homeless cats in NYC DC and NJ than I do about the people. These animals have no place to go and people do. I worry just as much about the pets left behind when their humans evacuate. My first thoughts are always for the animals, but thankfully my cats are safe. We are in the eastern mountains right on the border of western Maryland at 3,000 elevation. Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Got this from an animal network:
yes. someone posted it already. Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: FYI - did someone already post this? Seems familiar. http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=654216039 Sam Thomas From A Feral Cat Chat List. I just learned some very interesting information about FELV. ??? had three cats test positive for it, when they knew that it was very unlikely ( neither the mother nor any of the other kittens in the litter tested positive, after repeated tests and they had the mother with them for a while before birth. One of the vet volunteers followed up. She had blood drawn at Caring Hands Vet and sent to Auburn University College of Veterinary medicine Pathology Diagnostic Services , which does some different tests, at about $30 cost. Auburn University College of Veterinary Medicine Pathobiology Diagnostic services says that the Idexx SNAP test can cause a positive result because some cats have a reaction to the cat serum in the test. They did two other tests on all three cats using a blood test called IFA as well as by another ELISA test called Symbiotics Viracheck. All three cats tested negative on both tests. And they concluded that they had reacted to the serum used in the Idexx SNAP test!! Also we should get the word out that the Idexx tests can cause false positives The number of the Auburn University facility is 334-844-2690 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FelV Tests
Unfortunately it's almost impossible to find a vet anymore who doesn't use the 3-way test. Guess I'll just pay the shelter from now on. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 12:05 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FelV Tests Our vet clinic uses these tests and I questioned them about it. They guarantee they are fine, and I've had at least 5 cats test negative on them, but I've heard too many bad reports of these FelV, FIV and Heartworm tests to have any confidence in them. Lorrie On 08-26, Marcia Baronda wrote: YES!! felv fiv and heartworms. that's what they used on all my cats! On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 8:24 AM, Beth [1]create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: Is this the one that checks for heartworms also? Our shelter stopped using those because we found themunreliable. Beth ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats
Yeah! One more convert to help spread the word about these babies! Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Marcia Baronda marciabmar...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 10:38 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats yes, that's true. we just have to manage. well i'm finding out from all of you that they can live a normal life...thank god! On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 8:45 AM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: You can never rely on a single ELISA, that's for sure. Plus we know labs mess up human tests, so we have to know that IFAs sent out can get messed up, too. even if they are truly positive they can live whatever life they have just as happily as any other cat! Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Christiane Biagi ti...@mindspring.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 3:23 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats You know, not for nothing, but this testing is really really flawed! There are just too many stories of folks with inconsistent results. Life and death decisions are made everyday based on these tests and all of us who have felv+ cats know the tests to be a bit shaky. My own Tucson tested neg at about 3 months post years later even though she’d never been exposed to the outside or any pos cats….. From:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 3:15 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats I would retest the 1st one on the Elisa just to be sure. Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From:Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 3:00 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats Ours had only the ELISA, positive….2 ½ yrs later, the IFA – negative. New cat had ELISA, then IFA three wks later – both were positive. He had the IFA again 1 ½ yrs later – negative! From:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 11:25 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats Natalie, were they also re-tested with an Elisa? A negative IFA does NOT mean they don't have the virus. It just means it isn't replicating in their bone marrow. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From:Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 3:39 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats I got a FeLV+ cat 3/2 yrs ago…couldn’t find anyone to take him, he was very lonely. After two yrs alone, I found another FeLV+ cat – they became friends overnight. A few months ago, I decided to retest them, using the IFA – they were both negative. Just imagine, how lucky I was – one of them could have been positive, and I would have exposed the healthy one to FeLV! The strange thing is that the new cat had also had the IFA, but it was done to soon after the positive ELISA. Once you know that your cat is definitely positive, get another definitely positive cat for company. Chances are great that kittens of a FeLV+ mother will be positive more likely than not. From:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of April Johnson Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 2:38 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats In June we adopted two cats a young black female(Spicy) and a orange female (Sunny) from animal control. Our local shelter was overrun with cats and begging people to come adopt. When we took them to the vets a week after being adopted the receptionist asked if we wanted them tested. I did not know when I adopted them that animal control does not test the cats unless you request it. Well Spicy tested positive for Feline Leukemia. My vet wanted me to put her to sleep because she couldn't live with my other cats. I couldn't do it she was only 10 months old. So I transformed a spare bedroom into her home. She has a cat tree, sofa, windows and toys galore. I think she is lonely being by herself. A rescue in my area just posted about a mother cat and her juvenile litter of kittens having all just tested positive for feline leukemia. I was thinking of looking for a friend for Spicy. I had talked to a shelter in our area that takes in FELV and FIV positive cats. They recommended not adding because it could make Spicy sick or the other cat sick. Spicy is do next week to get retested for FELV, the vet said there is remote chance she could turn negative. If she is still
Re: [Felvtalk] Got this from an animal network:
Yes, good luck. I will be thinking of you. Sent from my iPad On Aug 26, 2011, at 11:12 AM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: FYI – did someone already post this? Seems familiar. Sam Thomas From A Feral Cat Chat List. I just learned some very interesting information about FELV. ??? had three cats test positive for it, when they knew that it was very unlikely ( neither the mother nor any of the other kittens in the litter tested positive, after repeated tests and they had the mother with them for a while before birth. One of the vet volunteers followed up. She had blood drawn at Caring Hands Vet and sent to Auburn University College of Veterinary medicine Pathology Diagnostic Services , which does some different tests, at about $30 cost. Auburn University College of Veterinary Medicine Pathobiology Diagnostic services says that the Idexx SNAP test can cause a positive result because some cats have a reaction to the cat serum in the test. They did two other tests on all three cats using a blood test called IFA as well as by another ELISA test called Symbiotics Viracheck. All three cats tested negative on both tests. And they concluded that they had reacted to the serum used in the Idexx SNAP test!! Also we should get the word out that the Idexx tests can cause false positives The number of the Auburn University facility is 334-844-2690 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt
I don't vaccinate FeLV kitties. My 1st 2 FeLV girls died right after being vaccinated I've heard of that happening from other people, too. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 9:58 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt All you have to do when administering antibiotics is to use probiotics mixed into their food. Just plain acidophiolus, will do, too. And if the cats happen to like yogurt, even better - but make sure you get real yogurt with real acidophilus, not some fake sweetended yogurt. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth Noren Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 9:34 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt Hi Marcia, I know popular opinion is to limit antibiotic use, because it can kill the good bacteria in the gut, but in my limited experience I prefer to leave immune-compromised kitties on it longer. I had one little FeLV pos kitten with a URI that had a 10 day regimen of Clavamox. She was vaccinated a few days later, as she seemed to have cleared the URI. Big mistake, I didn't know any better. The URI was not cleared, just masked by the antibiotic, it came back, lost her to FIP a couple of weeks later. When her positive brother started getting sick soon after, he got prednisolone twice for fever and was on clavamox for months (5, 6?) just in case. He never had any bowel problems from it. My vet finally said she couldn't in good conscious keep prescribing it for such a healthy cat. Had I left his sister on it (and not vaccinated so young) I feel her immune system may have been less exhausted and better able to fight the corona virus that turned into FIP and killed her. Best wishes, Beth On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 11:47 AM, Marcia Baronda marciabmar...@gmail.com wrote: Terri ...He's om amoxicillin and they said he could stay on that indefinitely. Do you agree? She also said we could try some prednisone. What are you opinions?? Take care everyone Marcia ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Hurricane
That's my huge worry, too! Just think, the two kittens that drowned 2 weeks ago in a flooded backyard in Brooklyn, NY...I have the third that was scooped out of the water at night, and got their mom and dad, too. The baby is only5 wks old. This was just the rain - never mind what's coming this weekend! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 1:26 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hurricane On 08-26, Bonnie Hogue wrote: Natalie Good luck with the hurricane! I hope there is no damage and no frightened cats! ~Bonnie I worry more about the millions of homeless cats in NYC DC and NJ than I do about the people. These animals have no place to go and people do. I worry just as much about the pets left behind when their humans evacuate. My first thoughts are always for the animals, but thankfully my cats are safe. We are in the eastern mountains right on the border of western Maryland at 3,000 elevation. Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FelV Tests
My vet doesn't. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 2:54 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FelV Tests Unfortunately it's almost impossible to find a vet anymore who doesn't use the 3-way test. Guess I'll just pay the shelter from now on. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/tsmileys2/21.gif www.Furkids.org http://www.furkids.org/ _ From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 12:05 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FelV Tests Our vet clinic uses these tests and I questioned them about it. They guarantee they are fine, and I've had at least 5 cats test negative on them, but I've heard too many bad reports of these FelV, FIV and Heartworm tests to have any confidence in them. Lorrie On 08-26, Marcia Baronda wrote: YES!! felv fiv and heartworms. that's what they used on all my cats! On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 8:24 AM, Beth [1]create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: Is this the one that checks for heartworms also? Our shelter stopped using those because we found themunreliable. Beth ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt
my vet vaccinated fletch when he was neutered...which i don't ever let anyone do, because i figure surery is gonna lower their immune systems...not a good time to vaccinate. but I was suprised when I saw on my bill that he had been vacd for felv...which i did not ask for. let me tell you, that cat attacked all my other cats and was so mad for 2 or 3 weeks. It turned this whole house upside down. i have never experienced anything like that in all my years of having cats. Then i was reading in Dr Pitcairn and also Dr. halmiltons books about that very same thing happening to cats after being vaccinated. i was suprised to see it in words!! It was just weird. Anyone else have this happen? marcia On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 1:59 PM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: I don't vaccinate FeLV kitties. My 1st 2 FeLV girls died right after being vaccinated I've heard of that happening from other people, too. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org http://www.furkids.org/ -- *From:* Natalie at...@optonline.net *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Friday, August 26, 2011 9:58 AM *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt All you have to do when administering antibiotics is to use probiotics mixed into their food. Just plain acidophiolus, will do, too. And if the cats happen to like yogurt, even better - but make sure you get real yogurt with real acidophilus, not some fake sweetended yogurt. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth Noren Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 9:34 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt Hi Marcia, I know popular opinion is to limit antibiotic use, because it can kill the good bacteria in the gut, but in my limited experience I prefer to leave immune-compromised kitties on it longer. I had one little FeLV pos kitten with a URI that had a 10 day regimen of Clavamox. She was vaccinated a few days later, as she seemed to have cleared the URI. Big mistake, I didn't know any better. The URI was not cleared, just masked by the antibiotic, it came back, lost her to FIP a couple of weeks later. When her positive brother started getting sick soon after, he got prednisolone twice for fever and was on clavamox for months (5, 6?) just in case. He never had any bowel problems from it. My vet finally said she couldn't in good conscious keep prescribing it for such a healthy cat. Had I left his sister on it (and not vaccinated so young) I feel her immune system may have been less exhausted and better able to fight the corona virus that turned into FIP and killed her. Best wishes, Beth On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 11:47 AM, Marcia Baronda marciabmar...@gmail.com wrote: Terri ...He's om amoxicillin and they said he could stay on that indefinitely. Do you agree? She also said we could try some prednisone. What are you opinions?? Take care everyone Marcia ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- *Marcia Baronda* *Baronda Supplies Service, Inc.* *1550 S 2700 Rd.* *Herington, Kansas 67449* *Phone: 785-466-2501* *Cell:785-230-6499* ** ** *I wish to address ethics as it applies to our companion animals. As a veterinarian, I am an advocate for the rights of these wonderful beings who inhabit the earth and our homes, sharing this journey with us. It is my conviction that these animals,and all plants and animals, domesticated or wild, have inherent rights that are separate from their ability to benefit humans. They have the same right to exist as we do. Don Hamilton DVM* ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Hurricane
This inspired me to tell this story: I got my heart-cat, Stormy, 15 1/2 years ago. She was born to a feral mother. The woman feeding the mother cat noticed the cat getting fatter and fatter, then one day suddenly skinny again. She thought, Uh oh, bet she had kittens. So she followed the cat and sure enough, a passel of kittens had been born, unfortunately in a bucket and (you guessed it I'm sure) it had rained heavily. The only one to survive that storm was the grey tabby, Stormy. A couple of months later the woman had to move and couldn't take her kitten, so I got her. That's why she's named Stormy. Should've been named Lucky or Miracle! ~Bonnie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Natalie Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 12:44 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hurricane That's my huge worry, too! Just think, the two kittens that drowned 2 weeks ago in a flooded backyard in Brooklyn, NY...I have the third that was scooped out of the water at night, and got their mom and dad, too. The baby is only5 wks old. This was just the rain - never mind what's coming this weekend! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 1:26 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hurricane On 08-26, Bonnie Hogue wrote: Natalie Good luck with the hurricane! I hope there is no damage and no frightened cats! ~Bonnie I worry more about the millions of homeless cats in NYC DC and NJ than I do about the people. These animals have no place to go and people do. I worry just as much about the pets left behind when their humans evacuate. My first thoughts are always for the animals, but thankfully my cats are safe. We are in the eastern mountains right on the border of western Maryland at 3,000 elevation. Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt
Anyone who uses Petsmart's veterinary plan should be aware that they pump every possible vaccine into cats.it is most important to specify in the beginning which vaccines you want and especially which ones you do NOT want. My friend uses that plan because it does save a lot of money..she brought her two cats in, and she assumed incorrectly that they would get the same vaccines as the ones she specified at the last time, NOT! They got FeLV/FIV, God-know what else..she was furious! She always tells them ahead of time that they are strictly indoor cats! From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marcia Baronda Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 4:03 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt my vet vaccinated fletch when he was neutered...which i don't ever let anyone do, because i figure surery is gonna lower their immune systems...not a good time to vaccinate. but I was suprised when I saw on my bill that he had been vacd for felv...which i did not ask for. let me tell you, that cat attacked all my other cats and was so mad for 2 or 3 weeks. It turned this whole house upside down. i have never experienced anything like that in all my years of having cats. Then i was reading in Dr Pitcairn and also Dr. halmiltons books about that very same thing happening to cats after being vaccinated. i was suprised to see it in words!! It was just weird. Anyone else have this happen? marcia On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 1:59 PM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: I don't vaccinate FeLV kitties. My 1st 2 FeLV girls died right after being vaccinated I've heard of that happening from other people, too. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter!Error! Filename not specified. www.Furkids.org http://www.furkids.org/ _ From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 9:58 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt All you have to do when administering antibiotics is to use probiotics mixed into their food. Just plain acidophiolus, will do, too. And if the cats happen to like yogurt, even better - but make sure you get real yogurt with real acidophilus, not some fake sweetended yogurt. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth Noren Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 9:34 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt Hi Marcia, I know popular opinion is to limit antibiotic use, because it can kill the good bacteria in the gut, but in my limited experience I prefer to leave immune-compromised kitties on it longer. I had one little FeLV pos kitten with a URI that had a 10 day regimen of Clavamox. She was vaccinated a few days later, as she seemed to have cleared the URI. Big mistake, I didn't know any better. The URI was not cleared, just masked by the antibiotic, it came back, lost her to FIP a couple of weeks later. When her positive brother started getting sick soon after, he got prednisolone twice for fever and was on clavamox for months (5, 6?) just in case. He never had any bowel problems from it. My vet finally said she couldn't in good conscious keep prescribing it for such a healthy cat. Had I left his sister on it (and not vaccinated so young) I feel her immune system may have been less exhausted and better able to fight the corona virus that turned into FIP and killed her. Best wishes, Beth On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 11:47 AM, Marcia Baronda marciabmar...@gmail.com wrote: Terri ...He's om amoxicillin and they said he could stay on that indefinitely. Do you agree? She also said we could try some prednisone. What are you opinions?? Take care everyone Marcia ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Marcia Baronda Baronda Supplies Service, Inc. 1550 S 2700 Rd. Herington, Kansas 67449 Phone: 785-466-2501 Cell:785-230-6499 I wish to address ethics as it applies to our companion animals. As a veterinarian, I am an advocate for the rights of these wonderful beings who inhabit the earth and our homes, sharing this journey with us. It is my conviction that these animals,and all plants and animals, domesticated or wild, have inherent rights that are separate from their ability to benefit humans. They have the same right to exist as we do. Don Hamilton DVM ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations
It's very bad practice to vaccinate cats while they are having surgery, but vets do it, so now I write out instructions not to vaccinate, and put it on the cat's carrier when I bring them for surgery. I give my cats their PCRC, way before they have surgery, but Rabies vaccinations are the law here, and only vets can give the injections. Once they are vaccinated I do not repeat vaccinations annually, and I just ignore the postcards I get saying it's time to vaccinate again. Lorrie On 08-26, Natalie wrote: Anyone who uses Petsmart's veterinary plan should be aware that they pump every possible vaccine into cats...it is most important to specify in the beginning which vaccines you want and especially which ones you do NOT want. My friend uses that plan because it does save a lot of moneyshe brought her two cats in, and she assumed incorrectly that they would get the same vaccines as the ones she specified at the last time, NOT! They got FeLV/FIV, God-know what elseshe was furious! She always tells them ahead of time that they are strictly indoor cats! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations
That's pretty much why I do... Sent from my iPhone On Aug 26, 2011, at 4:50 PM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: It's very bad practice to vaccinate cats while they are having surgery, but vets do it, so now I write out instructions not to vaccinate, and put it on the cat's carrier when I bring them for surgery. I give my cats their PCRC, way before they have surgery, but Rabies vaccinations are the law here, and only vets can give the injections. Once they are vaccinated I do not repeat vaccinations annually, and I just ignore the postcards I get saying it's time to vaccinate again. Lorrie On 08-26, Natalie wrote: Anyone who uses Petsmart's veterinary plan should be aware that they pump every possible vaccine into cats...it is most important to specify in the beginning which vaccines you want and especially which ones you do NOT want. My friend uses that plan because it does save a lot of moneyshe brought her two cats in, and she assumed incorrectly that they would get the same vaccines as the ones she specified at the last time, NOT! They got FeLV/FIV, God-know what elseshe was furious! She always tells them ahead of time that they are strictly indoor cats! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations
Me too, they don't need all that every year From: gbl...@aristotle.net Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 16:52:43 -0500 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations That's pretty much why I do... Sent from my iPhone On Aug 26, 2011, at 4:50 PM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: It's very bad practice to vaccinate cats while they are having surgery, but vets do it, so now I write out instructions not to vaccinate, and put it on the cat's carrier when I bring them for surgery. I give my cats their PCRC, way before they have surgery, but Rabies vaccinations are the law here, and only vets can give the injections. Once they are vaccinated I do not repeat vaccinations annually, and I just ignore the postcards I get saying it's time to vaccinate again. Lorrie On 08-26, Natalie wrote: Anyone who uses Petsmart's veterinary plan should be aware that they pump every possible vaccine into cats...it is most important to specify in the beginning which vaccines you want and especially which ones you do NOT want. My friend uses that plan because it does save a lot of moneyshe brought her two cats in, and she assumed incorrectly that they would get the same vaccines as the ones she specified at the last time, NOT! They got FeLV/FIV, God-know what elseshe was furious! She always tells them ahead of time that they are strictly indoor cats! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations
There are some really stupid vets out there. If you bring in a sick cat that doesn't have an up-to-date rabies vaccine, many will insist that they cannot treat a cat without one, and insist on vaccinating before treating the sick cat. My vet does NOT! I know of one veterinary hospital that will NOT treat any cat that has never been vaccinated! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 5:51 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations It's very bad practice to vaccinate cats while they are having surgery, but vets do it, so now I write out instructions not to vaccinate, and put it on the cat's carrier when I bring them for surgery. I give my cats their PCRC, way before they have surgery, but Rabies vaccinations are the law here, and only vets can give the injections. Once they are vaccinated I do not repeat vaccinations annually, and I just ignore the postcards I get saying it's time to vaccinate again. Lorrie On 08-26, Natalie wrote: Anyone who uses Petsmart's veterinary plan should be aware that they pump every possible vaccine into cats...it is most important to specify in the beginning which vaccines you want and especially which ones you do NOT want. My friend uses that plan because it does save a lot of moneyshe brought her two cats in, and she assumed incorrectly that they would get the same vaccines as the ones she specified at the last time, NOT! They got FeLV/FIV, God-know what elseshe was furious! She always tells them ahead of time that they are strictly indoor cats! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors
Because if the owner has to go into the nursing home and is fortunate enough to find one where they can take their cat, the nursing home is likely to require declawing. On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 9:34 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: That is true, but I don't understand why an old person can't have a cat with claws. Dealing mostly with feral cats, I have never been bitten or scratched - what's the danger, I am 70 yrs old. And as I said, bites are a natural defense for declawed cats! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations
Unfortunately, since I am a rescue group, I have to keep at least the required by law rabies vaccines current. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Edna Taylor Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 6:12 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations Me too, they don't need all that every year From: gbl...@aristotle.net Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 16:52:43 -0500 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations That's pretty much why I do... Sent from my iPhone On Aug 26, 2011, at 4:50 PM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: It's very bad practice to vaccinate cats while they are having surgery, but vets do it, so now I write out instructions not to vaccinate, and put it on the cat's carrier when I bring them for surgery. I give my cats their PCRC, way before they have surgery, but Rabies vaccinations are the law here, and only vets can give the injections. Once they are vaccinated I do not repeat vaccinations annually, and I just ignore the postcards I get saying it's time to vaccinate again. Lorrie On 08-26, Natalie wrote: Anyone who uses Petsmart's veterinary plan should be aware that they pump every possible vaccine into cats...it is most important to specify in the beginning which vaccines you want and especially which ones you do NOT want. My friend uses that plan because it does save a lot of moneyshe brought her two cats in, and she assumed incorrectly that they would get the same vaccines as the ones she specified at the last time, NOT! They got FeLV/FIV, God-know what elseshe was furious! She always tells them ahead of time that they are strictly indoor cats! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Time out for a giggle....
A Trip to Costco Yesterday I was at my local COSTCO buying a large bag of Purina dog chow for my loyal pet, Jake, the Wonder Dog and was in the check-out line when a woman behind me asked if I had a dog. What did she think I had, an elephant? So since I'm retired and have little to do, on impulse I told her that no, I didn't have a dog, I was starting the Purina Diet again. I added that I probably shouldn't, because I ended up in the hospital last time, but that I'd lost 50 pounds before I awakened in an intensive care ward with tubes coming out of most of my orifices and IVs in both arms. I told her that it was essentially a Perfect Diet and that the way that it works is, to load your pants pockets with Purina Nuggets and simply eat one or two every time you feel hungry. The food is nutritionally complete so it works well and I was going to try it again. (I have to mention here that practically everyone in line was now enthralled with my story.) Horrified, she asked if I ended up in intensive care, because the dog food poisoned me. I told her no, I stepped off a curb to sniff a poodle's ass and a car hit me. I thought the guy behind her was going to have a heart attack he was laughing so hard. Costco won't let me shop there anymore. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors
OMG - you are responding to a post from March..I thought that I was going crazy and somehow missed a whole thread of talking about declawing, NOW! There are also some apartments that allow cats ONLY if they are declawed.I guess they prefer taking their chances of those cats peeing everywhere instead of possibly scratching something, and it would most likely be the tenants' own furniture! I would rather give my cat away than declaw it - especially when it's an older cat - it's so much harder on them (not that it isn't on young(er) cats). There needs to be a lot of education on declawing and what the psychological/emotional and physical effects can take be. We have had a few abandoned declawed cats, and I have witnessed almost all of them...but all the damage had already been done, and what was I to do - throw them out or kill them? I found some homes that understood the ramifications and dealt with the problems as well as they could. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 6:45 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors Because if the owner has to go into the nursing home and is fortunate enough to find one where they can take their cat, the nursing home is likely to require declawing. On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 9:34 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: That is true, but I don't understand why an old person can't have a cat with claws. Dealing mostly with feral cats, I have never been bitten or scratched - what's the danger, I am 70 yrs old. And as I said, bites are a natural defense for declawed cats! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations
My vet gives the vaccin for rabies first and then we wait if surgery is needed Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Unfortunately, since I am a rescue group, I have to keep at least the required by law rabies vaccines current. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Edna Taylor Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 6:12 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations Me too, they don't need all that every year From: gbl...@aristotle.net Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 16:52:43 -0500 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations That's pretty much why I do... Sent from my iPhone On Aug 26, 2011, at 4:50 PM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: It's very bad practice to vaccinate cats while they are having surgery, but vets do it, so now I write out instructions not to vaccinate, and put it on the cat's carrier when I bring them for surgery. I give my cats their PCRC, way before they have surgery, but Rabies vaccinations are the law here, and only vets can give the injections. Once they are vaccinated I do not repeat vaccinations annually, and I just ignore the postcards I get saying it's time to vaccinate again. Lorrie On 08-26, Natalie wrote: Anyone who uses Petsmart's veterinary plan should be aware that they pump every possible vaccine into cats...it is most important to specify in the beginning which vaccines you want and especially which ones you do NOT want. My friend uses that plan because it does save a lot of moneyshe brought her two cats in, and she assumed incorrectly that they would get the same vaccines as the ones she specified at the last time, NOT! They got FeLV/FIV, God-know what elseshe was furious! She always tells them ahead of time that they are strictly indoor cats! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors
Sorry! This is a 62 email thread in gmail. I don't know how your email program organizes stuff. Anyway I did not look at the date. I've seen cats (especially senior cats) mourn their owners literally to death after being given away, and honestly in that case I'd rather declaw them. Hopefully I will not need to make that choice. On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 5:58 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: OMG – you are responding to a post from March……I thought that I was going crazy and somehow missed a whole thread of talking about declawing, NOW!** ** ** ** There are also some apartments that allow cats ONLY if they are declawed…I guess they prefer taking their chances of those cats peeing everywhere instead of possibly scratching something, and it would most likely be the tenants’ own furniture! ** ** I would rather give my cat away than declaw it – especially when it’s an older cat – it’s so much harder on them (not that it isn’t on young(er) cats). ** ** There needs to be a lot of education on declawing and what the psychological/emotional and physical effects can take be. We have had a few abandoned declawed cats, and I have witnessed almost all of them…..but all the damage had already been done, and what was I to do – throw them out or kill them? I found some homes that understood the ramifications and dealt with the problems as well as they could. ** ** *From:* felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of *Kelley Saveika *Sent:* Friday, August 26, 2011 6:45 PM *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors ** ** Because if the owner has to go into the nursing home and is fortunate enough to find one where they can take their cat, the nursing home is likely to require declawing. On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 9:34 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: That is true, but I don't understand why an old person can't have a cat with claws. Dealing mostly with feral cats, I have never been bitten or scratched - what's the danger, I am 70 yrs old. And as I said, bites are a natural defense for declawed cats! ** ** ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue. - Nathan Winograd ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Seed Ticks?
Seed ticks are deer ticks at least around here Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: What are seed ticks? I know about the big dog ticks and the tiny deer ticks. The deer ticks are very small, so are these what you call seed ticks? On 08-25, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: It is now August an boy do we have seed ticks all over the place. I had been using Revolution on my cats because of heartworm (I live on bluff over a river and lots of ponds in our area, so lots of mosquitos) but I took Homey to vet for sturivite crystals in urine and she had some blood also. Vet gave her a long lasting antibiotic shot and now he is back to her normal self, but they called and said she was loaded with seed ticks. I check them every time they come in and I never noticed any s now everyone got a dose of tick treament. I have since found a lot of them on myself, seed and regular ticks. Anyone else haeing a big problem with them? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Time out for a giggle....
that's a good LAUGH OUT LOUD!!! On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 5:46 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: A Trip to Costco Yesterday I was at my local COSTCO buying a large bag of Purina dog chow for my loyal pet, Jake, the Wonder Dog and was in the check-out line when a woman behind me asked if I had a dog. What did she think I had, an elephant? So since I'm retired and have little to do, on impulse I told her that no, I didn't have a dog, I was starting the Purina Diet again. I added that I probably shouldn't, because I ended up in the hospital last time, but that I'd lost 50 pounds before I awakened in an intensive care ward with tubes coming out of most of my orifices and IVs in both arms. I told her that it was essentially a Perfect Diet and that the way that it works is, to load your pants pockets with Purina Nuggets and simply eat one or two every time you feel hungry. The food is nutritionally complete so it works well and I was going to try it again. (I have to mention here that practically everyone in line was now enthralled with my story.) Horrified, she asked if I ended up in intensive care, because the dog food poisoned me. I told her no, I stepped off a curb to sniff a poodle's ass and a car hit me. I thought the guy behind her was going to have a heart attack he was laughing so hard. Costco won't let me shop there anymore. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- *Marcia Baronda* *Baronda Supplies Service, Inc.* *1550 S 2700 Rd.* *Herington, Kansas 67449* *Phone: 785-466-2501* *Cell:785-230-6499* ** ** *I wish to address ethics as it applies to our companion animals. As a veterinarian, I am an advocate for the rights of these wonderful beings who inhabit the earth and our homes, sharing this journey with us. It is my conviction that these animals,and all plants and animals, domesticated or wild, have inherent rights that are separate from their ability to benefit humans. They have the same right to exist as we do. Don Hamilton DVM* ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Time out for a giggle....
Hilarious!!! Scent from my wireless handheld litterbox =^..^= On Aug 26, 2011, at 6:46 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: A Trip to Costco Yesterday I was at my local COSTCO buying a large bag of Purina dog chow for my loyal pet, Jake, the Wonder Dog and was in the check-out line when a woman behind me asked if I had a dog. What did she think I had, an elephant? So since I'm retired and have little to do, on impulse I told her that no, I didn't have a dog, I was starting the Purina Diet again. I added that I probably shouldn't, because I ended up in the hospital last time, but that I'd lost 50 pounds before I awakened in an intensive care ward with tubes coming out of most of my orifices and IVs in both arms. I told her that it was essentially a Perfect Diet and that the way that it works is, to load your pants pockets with Purina Nuggets and simply eat one or two every time you feel hungry. The food is nutritionally complete so it works well and I was going to try it again. (I have to mention here that practically everyone in line was now enthralled with my story.) Horrified, she asked if I ended up in intensive care, because the dog food poisoned me. I told her no, I stepped off a curb to sniff a poodle's ass and a car hit me. I thought the guy behind her was going to have a heart attack he was laughing so hard. Costco won't let me shop there anymore. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Hurricane
Since Katrina, I have been accumulating carriers (have 7 cats). If I have to leave my home, they go with me. I have an Astro van and all I have to do is put the seats down and I have plenty of room for the carriers. I will leve my home and all else behind, but my cats go with me. I can sleep in the van with them. Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net wrote: This inspired me to tell this story: I got my heart-cat, Stormy, 15 1/2 years ago. She was born to a feral mother. The woman feeding the mother cat noticed the cat getting fatter and fatter, then one day suddenly skinny again. She thought, Uh oh, bet she had kittens. So she followed the cat and sure enough, a passel of kittens had been born, unfortunately in a bucket and (you guessed it I'm sure) it had rained heavily. The only one to survive that storm was the grey tabby, Stormy. A couple of months later the woman had to move and couldn't take her kitten, so I got her. That's why she's named Stormy. Should've been named Lucky or Miracle! ~Bonnie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Natalie Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 12:44 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hurricane That's my huge worry, too! Just think, the two kittens that drowned 2 weeks ago in a flooded backyard in Brooklyn, NY...I have the third that was scooped out of the water at night, and got their mom and dad, too. The baby is only5 wks old. This was just the rain - never mind what's coming this weekend! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 1:26 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hurricane On 08-26, Bonnie Hogue wrote: Natalie Good luck with the hurricane! I hope there is no damage and no frightened cats! ~Bonnie I worry more about the millions of homeless cats in NYC DC and NJ than I do about the people. These animals have no place to go and people do. I worry just as much about the pets left behind when their humans evacuate. My first thoughts are always for the animals, but thankfully my cats are safe. We are in the eastern mountains right on the border of western Maryland at 3,000 elevation. Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations
They should no better than to give an FIV shot. Once administered they will then always test positive for it whether they have it or not!! Idiots! - Original Message - From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 4:50 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations It's very bad practice to vaccinate cats while they are having surgery, but vets do it, so now I write out instructions not to vaccinate, and put it on the cat's carrier when I bring them for surgery. I give my cats their PCRC, way before they have surgery, but Rabies vaccinations are the law here, and only vets can give the injections. Once they are vaccinated I do not repeat vaccinations annually, and I just ignore the postcards I get saying it's time to vaccinate again. Lorrie On 08-26, Natalie wrote: Anyone who uses Petsmart's veterinary plan should be aware that they pump every possible vaccine into cats...it is most important to specify in the beginning which vaccines you want and especially which ones you do NOT want. My friend uses that plan because it does save a lot of moneyshe brought her two cats in, and she assumed incorrectly that they would get the same vaccines as the ones she specified at the last time, NOT! They got FeLV/FIV, God-know what elseshe was furious! She always tells them ahead of time that they are strictly indoor cats! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Time out for a giggle....
Natalie, I have not had a laugh like that in a long time!!! Thanks so much for sharing. You are way too funny girl! I love your sense of humor. Gotta have it to keep your sanity, right?! Be safe! I hope your place does not sustain too much damage from Irene. Keep us posted! - Original Message - From: Natalie To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 5:46 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Time out for a giggle A Trip to Costco Yesterday I was at my local COSTCO buying a large bag of Purina dog chow for my loyal pet, Jake, the Wonder Dog and was in the check-out line when a woman behind me asked if I had a dog. What did she think I had, an elephant? So since I'm retired and have little to do, on impulse I told her that no, I didn't have a dog, I was starting the Purina Diet again. I added that I probably shouldn't, because I ended up in the hospital last time, but that I'd lost 50 pounds before I awakened in an intensive care ward with tubes coming out of most of my orifices and IVs in both arms. I told her that it was essentially a Perfect Diet and that the way that it works is, to load your pants pockets with Purina Nuggets and simply eat one or two every time you feel hungry. The food is nutritionally complete so it works well and I was going to try it again. (I have to mention here that practically everyone in line was now enthralled with my story.) Horrified, she asked if I ended up in intensive care, because the dog food poisoned me. I told her no, I stepped off a curb to sniff a poodle's ass and a car hit me. I thought the guy behind her was going to have a heart attack he was laughing so hard. Costco won't let me shop there anymore. -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Time out for a giggle....
Thanks for the belly laugh.now I have to go change! From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Natalie Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 3:47 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Time out for a giggle A Trip to Costco Yesterday I was at my local COSTCO buying a large bag of Purina dog chow for my loyal pet, Jake, the Wonder Dog and was in the check-out line when a woman behind me asked if I had a dog. What did she think I had, an elephant? So since I'm retired and have little to do, on impulse I told her that no, I didn't have a dog, I was starting the Purina Diet again. I added that I probably shouldn't, because I ended up in the hospital last time, but that I'd lost 50 pounds before I awakened in an intensive care ward with tubes coming out of most of my orifices and IVs in both arms. I told her that it was essentially a Perfect Diet and that the way that it works is, to load your pants pockets with Purina Nuggets and simply eat one or two every time you feel hungry. The food is nutritionally complete so it works well and I was going to try it again. (I have to mention here that practically everyone in line was now enthralled with my story.) Horrified, she asked if I ended up in intensive care, because the dog food poisoned me. I told her no, I stepped off a curb to sniff a poodle's ass and a car hit me. I thought the guy behind her was going to have a heart attack he was laughing so hard. Costco won't let me shop there anymore. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors
I would seriously consider declawing very, very seriously- it is the most devastating thing for a cat. Knowing what I do, I would be more heartbroken doing it to a beloved cat than being without the cat, trust me. I wonder how a cat would feel if he/she knew that it had a choice between missing the owner or having their paws mutilated? According to Dr. Nicholas Doddman, who wrote The Cat that Cried for Help, after declawing surgery, cats feel such extreme pain that they either climb the walls of the cage or sit completely morose and cowering in the corner, something that their owners will never see. I have a copy of an article written for NY Times Magazine a few years ago, where a woman writes about declawing her older cat because her mother's oriental rug was being scratched up. It is one of my hand-out's to adopters - the story is heartbreaking, and very typical. After the hurricane is over, I will scan it and post it. It is probably the best I've read, without going into the gory details of declawing. Natalie From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 7:22 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors Sorry! This is a 62 email thread in gmail. I don't know how your email program organizes stuff. Anyway I did not look at the date. I've seen cats (especially senior cats) mourn their owners literally to death after being given away, and honestly in that case I'd rather declaw them. Hopefully I will not need to make that choice. On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 5:58 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: OMG - you are responding to a post from March..I thought that I was going crazy and somehow missed a whole thread of talking about declawing, NOW! There are also some apartments that allow cats ONLY if they are declawed.I guess they prefer taking their chances of those cats peeing everywhere instead of possibly scratching something, and it would most likely be the tenants' own furniture! I would rather give my cat away than declaw it - especially when it's an older cat - it's so much harder on them (not that it isn't on young(er) cats). There needs to be a lot of education on declawing and what the psychological/emotional and physical effects can take be. We have had a few abandoned declawed cats, and I have witnessed almost all of them...but all the damage had already been done, and what was I to do - throw them out or kill them? I found some homes that understood the ramifications and dealt with the problems as well as they could. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 6:45 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors Because if the owner has to go into the nursing home and is fortunate enough to find one where they can take their cat, the nursing home is likely to require declawing. On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 9:34 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: That is true, but I don't understand why an old person can't have a cat with claws. Dealing mostly with feral cats, I have never been bitten or scratched - what's the danger, I am 70 yrs old. And as I said, bites are a natural defense for declawed cats! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org http://www.rescuties.org/ Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can't complain about it, that they can't fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue. - Nathan Winograd ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Seed Ticks?
Blacklegged ticks (misnamed deer ticks), acquire the spirochete bacterium from white footed mice and about another dozen or so small mammals and even birds. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 7:25 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Seed Ticks? Seed ticks are deer ticks at least around here Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: What are seed ticks? I know about the big dog ticks and the tiny deer ticks. The deer ticks are very small, so are these what you call seed ticks? On 08-25, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: It is now August an boy do we have seed ticks all over the place. I had been using Revolution on my cats because of heartworm (I live on bluff over a river and lots of ponds in our area, so lots of mosquitos) but I took Homey to vet for sturivite crystals in urine and she had some blood also. Vet gave her a long lasting antibiotic shot and now he is back to her normal self, but they called and said she was loaded with seed ticks. I check them every time they come in and I never noticed any s now everyone got a dose of tick treament. I have since found a lot of them on myself, seed and regular ticks. Anyone else haeing a big problem with them? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors
It wouldn't be you going without the cat, it would be the cat going without you. I have seen cats given up by their owners grieve and mourn themselves TO DEATH. I've seen cats given away by their owners be fine. I've seen cats who have been declawed suffer. I have seen cats who have been declawed do absolutely fine. It isn't all as easy as it looks sometimes. I have not had a cat declawed but I did have one who had to have a mastectomy and who I am sure would have been in horrible pain had it not been for the oral pain meds the vet prescribed. I would hope any vet doing declaw surgery would provide pain meds. At any rate I'm 44 so hopefully it would be a while before I went into a nursing home. On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 7:04 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: I would seriously consider declawing very, very seriously– it is the most devastating thing for a cat. Knowing what I do, I would be more heartbroken doing it to a beloved cat than being without the cat, trust me. I wonder how a cat would feel if he/she knew that it had a choice between missing the owner or having their paws mutilated? According to Dr. Nicholas Doddman, who wrote *The Cat that Cried for Help, *after declawing surgery, cats feel such extreme pain that they either climb the walls of the cage or sit completely morose and cowering in the corner, something that their owners will never see. I have a copy of an article written for NY Times Magazine a few years ago, where a woman writes about declawing her older cat because her mother’s oriental rug was being scratched up. It is one of my hand-out’s to adopters – the story is heartbreaking, and very typical. After the hurricane is over, I will scan it and post it. It is probably the best I’ve read, without going into the gory details of declawing. Natalie ** ** *From:* felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of *Kelley Saveika *Sent:* Friday, August 26, 2011 7:22 PM *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors ** ** Sorry! This is a 62 email thread in gmail. I don't know how your email program organizes stuff. Anyway I did not look at the date. I've seen cats (especially senior cats) mourn their owners literally to death after being given away, and honestly in that case I'd rather declaw them. Hopefully I will not need to make that choice. On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 5:58 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: OMG – you are responding to a post from March……I thought that I was going crazy and somehow missed a whole thread of talking about declawing, NOW!** ** There are also some apartments that allow cats ONLY if they are declawed…I guess they prefer taking their chances of those cats peeing everywhere instead of possibly scratching something, and it would most likely be the tenants’ own furniture! I would rather give my cat away than declaw it – especially when it’s an older cat – it’s so much harder on them (not that it isn’t on young(er) cats). There needs to be a lot of education on declawing and what the psychological/emotional and physical effects can take be. We have had a few abandoned declawed cats, and I have witnessed almost all of them…..but all the damage had already been done, and what was I to do – throw them out or kill them? I found some homes that understood the ramifications and dealt with the problems as well as they could. *From:* felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of *Kelley Saveika *Sent:* Friday, August 26, 2011 6:45 PM *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors Because if the owner has to go into the nursing home and is fortunate enough to find one where they can take their cat, the nursing home is likely to require declawing. On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 9:34 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: That is true, but I don't understand why an old person can't have a cat with claws. Dealing mostly with feral cats, I have never been bitten or scratched - what's the danger, I am 70 yrs old. And as I said, bites are a natural defense for declawed cats! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper And it is the most divisive incivility to
Re: [Felvtalk] Hurricane
You have a plan for your family. On Aug 26, 2011, at 6:51 PM, dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net wrote: Since Katrina, I have been accumulating carriers (have 7 cats). If I have to leave my home, they go with me. I have an Astro van and all I have to do is put the seats down and I have plenty of room for the carriers. I will leve my home and all else behind, but my cats go with me. I can sleep in the van with them. Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net wrote: This inspired me to tell this story: I got my heart-cat, Stormy, 15 1/2 years ago. She was born to a feral mother. The woman feeding the mother cat noticed the cat getting fatter and fatter, then one day suddenly skinny again. She thought, Uh oh, bet she had kittens. So she followed the cat and sure enough, a passel of kittens had been born, unfortunately in a bucket and (you guessed it I'm sure) it had rained heavily. The only one to survive that storm was the grey tabby, Stormy. A couple of months later the woman had to move and couldn't take her kitten, so I got her. That's why she's named Stormy. Should've been named Lucky or Miracle! ~Bonnie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Natalie Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 12:44 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hurricane That's my huge worry, too! Just think, the two kittens that drowned 2 weeks ago in a flooded backyard in Brooklyn, NY...I have the third that was scooped out of the water at night, and got their mom and dad, too. The baby is only5 wks old. This was just the rain - never mind what's coming this weekend! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 1:26 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hurricane On 08-26, Bonnie Hogue wrote: Natalie Good luck with the hurricane! I hope there is no damage and no frightened cats! ~Bonnie I worry more about the millions of homeless cats in NYC DC and NJ than I do about the people. These animals have no place to go and people do. I worry just as much about the pets left behind when their humans evacuate. My first thoughts are always for the animals, but thankfully my cats are safe. We are in the eastern mountains right on the border of western Maryland at 3,000 elevation. Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors
And who is going to take care of the cat if the owner isn't available? In many rural areas the cat will be taken to the pound or thrown out to take care of himself/herself. This is particularly hard for older cats. It is a judgment call that must be made with all factors considered and with the welfare of the cat in the front. On Aug 26, 2011, at 7:04 PM, Natalie wrote: I would seriously consider declawing very, very seriously– it is the most devastating thing for a cat. Knowing what I do, I would be more heartbroken doing it to a beloved cat than being without the cat, trust me. I wonder how a cat would feel if he/she knew that it had a choice between missing the owner or having their paws mutilated? According to Dr. Nicholas Doddman, who wrote The Cat that Cried for Help, after declawing surgery, cats feel such extreme pain that they either climb the walls of the cage or sit completely morose and cowering in the corner, something that their owners will never see. I have a copy of an article written for NY Times Magazine a few years ago, where a woman writes about declawing her older cat because her mother’s oriental rug was being scratched up. It is one of my hand-out’s to adopters – the story is heartbreaking, and very typical. After the hurricane is over, I will scan it and post it. It is probably the best I’ve read, without going into the gory details of declawing. Natalie From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org ] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 7:22 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors Sorry! This is a 62 email thread in gmail. I don't know how your email program organizes stuff. Anyway I did not look at the date. I've seen cats (especially senior cats) mourn their owners literally to death after being given away, and honestly in that case I'd rather declaw them. Hopefully I will not need to make that choice. On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 5:58 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: OMG – you are responding to a post from March……I thought that I was going crazy and somehow missed a whole thread of talking about declawing, NOW! There are also some apartments that allow cats ONLY if they are declawed…I guess they prefer taking their chances of those cats peeing everywhere instead of possibly scratching something, and it would most likely be the tenants’ own furniture! I would rather give my cat away than declaw it – especially when it’s an older cat – it’s so much harder on them (not that it isn’t on young(er) cats). There needs to be a lot of education on declawing and what the psychological/emotional and physical effects can take be. We have had a few abandoned declawed cats, and I have witnessed almost all of them…..but all the damage had already been done, and what was I to do – throw them out or kill them? I found some homes that understood the ramifications and dealt with the problems as well as they could. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org ] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 6:45 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors Because if the owner has to go into the nursing home and is fortunate enough to find one where they can take their cat, the nursing home is likely to require declawing. On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 9:34 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: That is true, but I don't understand why an old person can't have a cat with claws. Dealing mostly with feral cats, I have never been bitten or scratched - what's the danger, I am 70 yrs old. And as I said, bites are a natural defense for declawed cats! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue. - Nathan Winograd ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors
Paws come with claws. Period. I once lost a job opportunity (which came with a free apartment) because the owner wanted me to declaw. I told him: Unfortunately for you, it will NEVER happen, because I believe it's cruelty to animals. Needless to say, I never got called for a second interview. And I'd do it again. I think I was about 37 at the time. I've always had a big mouth. =^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Travis, Dori and 6 furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome and Sammi =^..^= - Original Message - From: Nataliemailto:at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 8:04 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors I would seriously consider declawing very, very seriously- it is the most devastating thing for a cat. Knowing what I do, I would be more heartbroken doing it to a beloved cat than being without the cat, trust me. I wonder how a cat would feel if he/she knew that it had a choice between missing the owner or having their paws mutilated? According to Dr. Nicholas Doddman, who wrote The Cat that Cried for Help, after declawing surgery, cats feel such extreme pain that they either climb the walls of the cage or sit completely morose and cowering in the corner, something that their owners will never see. I have a copy of an article written for NY Times Magazine a few years ago, where a woman writes about declawing her older cat because her mother's oriental rug was being scratched up. It is one of my hand-out's to adopters - the story is heartbreaking, and very typical. After the hurricane is over, I will scan it and post it. It is probably the best I've read, without going into the gory details of declawing. Natalie From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 7:22 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors Sorry! This is a 62 email thread in gmail. I don't know how your email program organizes stuff. Anyway I did not look at the date. I've seen cats (especially senior cats) mourn their owners literally to death after being given away, and honestly in that case I'd rather declaw them. Hopefully I will not need to make that choice. On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 5:58 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.netmailto:at...@optonline.net wrote: OMG - you are responding to a post from March..I thought that I was going crazy and somehow missed a whole thread of talking about declawing, NOW! There are also some apartments that allow cats ONLY if they are declawed.I guess they prefer taking their chances of those cats peeing everywhere instead of possibly scratching something, and it would most likely be the tenants' own furniture! I would rather give my cat away than declaw it - especially when it's an older cat - it's so much harder on them (not that it isn't on young(er) cats). There needs to be a lot of education on declawing and what the psychological/emotional and physical effects can take be. We have had a few abandoned declawed cats, and I have witnessed almost all of them...but all the damage had already been done, and what was I to do - throw them out or kill them? I found some homes that understood the ramifications and dealt with the problems as well as they could. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 6:45 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors Because if the owner has to go into the nursing home and is fortunate enough to find one where they can take their cat, the nursing home is likely to require declawing. On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 9:34 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.netmailto:at...@optonline.net wrote: That is true, but I don't understand why an old person can't have a cat with claws. Dealing mostly with feral cats, I have never been bitten or scratched - what's the danger, I am 70 yrs old. And as I said, bites are a natural defense for declawed cats! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.orghttp://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.orghttp://www.rescuties.org/ Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life!
Re: [Felvtalk] Time out for a giggle....
that's an oldie but a goodie. Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net wrote: Natalie, I have not had a laugh like that in a long time!!! Thanks so much for sharing. You are way too funny girl! I love your sense of humor. Gotta have it to keep your sanity, right?! Be safe! I hope your place does not sustain too much damage from Irene. Keep us posted! - Original Message - From: Natalie To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 5:46 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Time out for a giggle A Trip to Costco Yesterday I was at my local COSTCO buying a large bag of Purina dog chow for my loyal pet, Jake, the Wonder Dog and was in the check-out line when a woman behind me asked if I had a dog. What did she think I had, an elephant? So since I'm retired and have little to do, on impulse I told her that no, I didn't have a dog, I was starting the Purina Diet again. I added that I probably shouldn't, because I ended up in the hospital last time, but that I'd lost 50 pounds before I awakened in an intensive care ward with tubes coming out of most of my orifices and IVs in both arms. I told her that it was essentially a Perfect Diet and that the way that it works is, to load your pants pockets with Purina Nuggets and simply eat one or two every time you feel hungry. The food is nutritionally complete so it works well and I was going to try it again. (I have to mention here that practically everyone in line was now enthralled with my story.) Horrified, she asked if I ended up in intensive care, because the dog food poisoned me. I told her no, I stepped off a curb to sniff a poodle's ass and a car hit me. I thought the guy behind her was going to have a heart attack he was laughing so hard. Costco won't let me shop there anymore. -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors
Problem is declawing is so harmful to adult cats- painful, hard to adjust to, it can ruin them. Not right for kittens, but for adults it's just mean, torturous. Just not a good thing to do. There are places that allow cats w claws but folks may not think bout that till the last thing. But then grandma or whoever dies or goes to an Alzheimer's facility and then who wants a cat ruined by declaw. Gloria Sent from my iPhone On Aug 26, 2011, at 7:25 PM, Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com wrote: It wouldn't be you going without the cat, it would be the cat going without you. I have seen cats given up by their owners grieve and mourn themselves TO DEATH. I've seen cats given away by their owners be fine. I've seen cats who have been declawed suffer. I have seen cats who have been declawed do absolutely fine. It isn't all as easy as it looks sometimes. I have not had a cat declawed but I did have one who had to have a mastectomy and who I am sure would have been in horrible pain had it not been for the oral pain meds the vet prescribed. I would hope any vet doing declaw surgery would provide pain meds. At any rate I'm 44 so hopefully it would be a while before I went into a nursing home. On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 7:04 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: I would seriously consider declawing very, very seriously– it is the most devastating thing for a cat. Knowing what I do, I would be more heartbroken doing it to a beloved cat than being without the cat, trust me. I wonder how a cat would feel if he/she knew that it had a choice between missing the owner or having their paws mutilated? According to Dr. Nicholas Doddman, who wrote The Cat that Cried for Help, after declawing surgery, cats feel such extreme pain that they either climb the walls of the cage or sit completely morose and cowering in the corner, something that their owners will never see. I have a copy of an article written for NY Times Magazine a few years ago, where a woman writes about declawing her older cat because her mother’s oriental rug was being scratched up. It is one of my hand-out’s to adopters – the story is heartbreaking, and very typical. After the hurricane is over, I will scan it and post it. It is probably the best I’ve read, without going into the gory details of declawing. Natalie From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 7:22 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors Sorry! This is a 62 email thread in gmail. I don't know how your email program organizes stuff. Anyway I did not look at the date. I've seen cats (especially senior cats) mourn their owners literally to death after being given away, and honestly in that case I'd rather declaw them. Hopefully I will not need to make that choice. On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 5:58 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: OMG – you are responding to a post from March……I thought that I was going crazy and somehow missed a whole thread of talking about declawing, NOW! There are also some apartments that allow cats ONLY if they are declawed…I guess they prefer taking their chances of those cats peeing everywhere instead of possibly scratching something, and it would most likely be the tenants’ own furniture! I would rather give my cat away than declaw it – especially when it’s an older cat – it’s so much harder on them (not that it isn’t on young(er) cats). There needs to be a lot of education on declawing and what the psychological/emotional and physical effects can take be. We have had a few abandoned declawed cats, and I have witnessed almost all of them…..but all the damage had already been done, and what was I to do – throw them out or kill them? I found some homes that understood the ramifications and dealt with the problems as well as they could. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 6:45 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors Because if the owner has to go into the nursing home and is fortunate enough to find one where they can take their cat, the nursing home is likely to require declawing. On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 9:34 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: That is true, but I don't understand why an old person can't have a cat with claws. Dealing mostly with feral cats, I have never been bitten or scratched - what's the danger, I am 70 yrs old. And as I said, bites are a natural defense for declawed cats! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org --
Re: [Felvtalk] Time out for a giggle....
Thanks so much for the laugh! If someoneask that to me I will certainly remember this on my visit to Costco or wherever. I needed the laugh as I'm worried about some family members on the east coast. I hope those of you on the east coast are going to be okay. If you need to evacuate do so! TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS/SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUESultan, WA. 98294Terrie Mohr-Forkerhttp://tazzys.org/Non-Profit national rescue Dedicated to the welfare of animals. Copyright © 1999-2010 tazzys.org. All rights reserved. Original Message Subject: [Felvtalk] Time out for a giggleFrom: Natalie at...@optonline.netDate: Fri, August 26, 2011 3:46 pmTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org A Trip to Costco Yesterday I was at my local COSTCO buying a large bag of Purina dog chow for my loyal pet, Jake, the Wonder Dog and was in the check-out line when a woman behind me asked if I had a dog. What did she think I had, an elephant? So since I'm retired and have little to do, on impulse I told her that no, I didn't have a dog, I was starting the Purina Diet again. I added that I probably shouldn't, because I ended up in the hospital last time, but that I'd lost 50 pounds before I awakened in an intensive care ward with tubes coming out of most of my orifices and IVs in both arms. I told her that it was essentially a Perfect Diet and that the way that it works is, to load your pants pockets with Purina Nuggets and simply eat one or two every time you feel hungry. The food is nutritionally complete so it works well and I was going to try it again. (I have to mention here that practically everyone in line was now enthralled with my story.) Horrified, she asked if I ended up in intensive care, because the dog food poisoned me. I told her no, I stepped off a curb to sniff a poodle's ass and a car hit me. I thought the guy behind her was going to have a heart attack he was laughing so hard. Costco won't let me shop there anymore. ___Felvtalk mailing listFelvtalk@felineleukemia.orghttp://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Time out for a giggle....
LOL :-) On Aug 26, 2011 9:36 PM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: that's an oldie but a goodie. Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net wrote: Natalie, I have not had a laugh like that in a long time!!! Thanks so much for sharing. You are way too funny girl! I love your sense of humor. Gotta have it to keep your sanity, right?! Be safe! I hope your place does not sustain too much damage from Irene. Keep us posted! - Original Message - From: Natalie To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 5:46 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Time out for a giggle A Trip to Costco Yesterday I was at my local COSTCO buying a large bag of Purina dog chow for my loyal pet, Jake, the Wonder Dog and was in the check-out line when a woman behind me asked if I had a dog. What did she think I had, an elephant? So since I'm retired and have little to do, on impulse I told her that no, I didn't have a dog, I was starting the Purina Diet again. I added that I probably shouldn't, because I ended up in the hospital last time, but that I'd lost 50 pounds before I awakened in an intensive care ward with tubes coming out of most of my orifices and IVs in both arms. I told her that it was essentially a Perfect Diet and that the way that it works is, to load your pants pockets with Purina Nuggets and simply eat one or two every time you feel hungry. The food is nutritionally complete so it works well and I was going to try it again. (I have to mention here that practically everyone in line was now enthralled with my story.) Horrified, she asked if I ended up in intensive care, because the dog food poisoned me. I told her no, I stepped off a curb to sniff a poodle's ass and a car hit me. I thought the guy behind her was going to have a heart attack he was laughing so hard. Costco won't let me shop there anymore. -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Hurricane
ABSOLUTELY! They only have us to make sure they are safe(-: On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 6:51 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: Since Katrina, I have been accumulating carriers (have 7 cats). If I have to leave my home, they go with me. I have an Astro van and all I have to do is put the seats down and I have plenty of room for the carriers. I will leve my home and all else behind, but my cats go with me. I can sleep in the van with them. Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net wrote: This inspired me to tell this story: I got my heart-cat, Stormy, 15 1/2 years ago. She was born to a feral mother. The woman feeding the mother cat noticed the cat getting fatter and fatter, then one day suddenly skinny again. She thought, Uh oh, bet she had kittens. So she followed the cat and sure enough, a passel of kittens had been born, unfortunately in a bucket and (you guessed it I'm sure) it had rained heavily. The only one to survive that storm was the grey tabby, Stormy. A couple of months later the woman had to move and couldn't take her kitten, so I got her. That's why she's named Stormy. Should've been named Lucky or Miracle! ~Bonnie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Natalie Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 12:44 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hurricane That's my huge worry, too! Just think, the two kittens that drowned 2 weeks ago in a flooded backyard in Brooklyn, NY...I have the third that was scooped out of the water at night, and got their mom and dad, too. The baby is only5 wks old. This was just the rain - never mind what's coming this weekend! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 1:26 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hurricane On 08-26, Bonnie Hogue wrote: Natalie Good luck with the hurricane! I hope there is no damage and no frightened cats! ~Bonnie I worry more about the millions of homeless cats in NYC DC and NJ than I do about the people. These animals have no place to go and people do. I worry just as much about the pets left behind when their humans evacuate. My first thoughts are always for the animals, but thankfully my cats are safe. We are in the eastern mountains right on the border of western Maryland at 3,000 elevation. Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- *Marcia Baronda* *Baronda Supplies Service, Inc.* *1550 S 2700 Rd.* *Herington, Kansas 67449* *Phone: 785-466-2501* *Cell:785-230-6499* ** ** *I wish to address ethics as it applies to our companion animals. As a veterinarian, I am an advocate for the rights of these wonderful beings who inhabit the earth and our homes, sharing this journey with us. It is my conviction that these animals,and all plants and animals, domesticated or wild, have inherent rights that are separate from their ability to benefit humans. They have the same right to exist as we do. Don Hamilton DVM* ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors
Just add this to the consideration. To summarize, 'declawing' is a misnomer. When a cat is 'declawed' they are having their toes amputated at the first knuckle. Period. Now, think about you having all ten toes cut off at the first knuckle. Kat On 8/26/11, Gloria Lane gbl...@aristotle.net wrote: Problem is declawing is so harmful to adult cats- painful, hard to adjust to, it can ruin them. Not right for kittens, but for adults it's just mean, torturous. Just not a good thing to do. There are places that allow cats w claws but folks may not think bout that till the last thing. But then grandma or whoever dies or goes to an Alzheimer's facility and then who wants a cat ruined by declaw. Gloria Sent from my iPhone On Aug 26, 2011, at 7:25 PM, Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com wrote: It wouldn't be you going without the cat, it would be the cat going without you. I have seen cats given up by their owners grieve and mourn themselves TO DEATH. I've seen cats given away by their owners be fine. I've seen cats who have been declawed suffer. I have seen cats who have been declawed do absolutely fine. It isn't all as easy as it looks sometimes. I have not had a cat declawed but I did have one who had to have a mastectomy and who I am sure would have been in horrible pain had it not been for the oral pain meds the vet prescribed. I would hope any vet doing declaw surgery would provide pain meds. At any rate I'm 44 so hopefully it would be a while before I went into a nursing home. On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 7:04 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: I would seriously consider declawing very, very seriously– it is the most devastating thing for a cat. Knowing what I do, I would be more heartbroken doing it to a beloved cat than being without the cat, trust me. I wonder how a cat would feel if he/she knew that it had a choice between missing the owner or having their paws mutilated? According to Dr. Nicholas Doddman, who wrote The Cat that Cried for Help, after declawing surgery, cats feel such extreme pain that they either climb the walls of the cage or sit completely morose and cowering in the corner, something that their owners will never see. I have a copy of an article written for NY Times Magazine a few years ago, where a woman writes about declawing her older cat because her mother’s oriental rug was being scratched up. It is one of my hand-out’s to adopters – the story is heartbreaking, and very typical. After the hurricane is over, I will scan it and post it. It is probably the best I’ve read, without going into the gory details of declawing. Natalie From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 7:22 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors Sorry! This is a 62 email thread in gmail. I don't know how your email program organizes stuff. Anyway I did not look at the date. I've seen cats (especially senior cats) mourn their owners literally to death after being given away, and honestly in that case I'd rather declaw them. Hopefully I will not need to make that choice. On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 5:58 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: OMG – you are responding to a post from March……I thought that I was going crazy and somehow missed a whole thread of talking about declawing, NOW! There are also some apartments that allow cats ONLY if they are declawed…I guess they prefer taking their chances of those cats peeing everywhere instead of possibly scratching something, and it would most likely be the tenants’ own furniture! I would rather give my cat away than declaw it – especially when it’s an older cat – it’s so much harder on them (not that it isn’t on young(er) cats). There needs to be a lot of education on declawing and what the psychological/emotional and physical effects can take be. We have had a few abandoned declawed cats, and I have witnessed almost all of them…..but all the damage had already been done, and what was I to do – throw them out or kill them? I found some homes that understood the ramifications and dealt with the problems as well as they could. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 6:45 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors Because if the owner has to go into the nursing home and is fortunate enough to find one where they can take their cat, the nursing home is likely to require declawing. On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 9:34 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: That is true, but I don't understand why an old person can't have a cat with claws. Dealing mostly with feral cats, I have never been bitten or scratched - what's the danger, I am 70 yrs old. And as I said, bites are a
Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations
That's just for the cash! That is so stupid and it shows what they really care about. Sent from my iPad On Aug 26, 2011, at 5:41 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: There are some really stupid vets out there. If you bring in a sick cat that doesn't have an up-to-date rabies vaccine, many will insist that they cannot treat a cat without one, and insist on vaccinating before treating the sick cat. My vet does NOT! I know of one veterinary hospital that will NOT treat any cat that has never been vaccinated! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 5:51 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations It's very bad practice to vaccinate cats while they are having surgery, but vets do it, so now I write out instructions not to vaccinate, and put it on the cat's carrier when I bring them for surgery. I give my cats their PCRC, way before they have surgery, but Rabies vaccinations are the law here, and only vets can give the injections. Once they are vaccinated I do not repeat vaccinations annually, and I just ignore the postcards I get saying it's time to vaccinate again. Lorrie On 08-26, Natalie wrote: Anyone who uses Petsmart's veterinary plan should be aware that they pump every possible vaccine into cats...it is most important to specify in the beginning which vaccines you want and especially which ones you do NOT want. My friend uses that plan because it does save a lot of moneyshe brought her two cats in, and she assumed incorrectly that they would get the same vaccines as the ones she specified at the last time, NOT! They got FeLV/FIV, God-know what elseshe was furious! She always tells them ahead of time that they are strictly indoor cats! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors
Tell them: yeah, I’ll declaw my cat if you pull out all your teeth. That ought to shut them up! ~B. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Gloria Lane Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 7:43 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors Problem is declawing is so harmful to adult cats- painful, hard to adjust to, it can ruin them. Not right for kittens, but for adults it's just mean, torturous. Just not a good thing to do. There are places that allow cats w claws but folks may not think bout that till the last thing. But then grandma or whoever dies or goes to an Alzheimer's facility and then who wants a cat ruined by declaw. Gloria Sent from my iPhone On Aug 26, 2011, at 7:25 PM, Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com wrote: It wouldn't be you going without the cat, it would be the cat going without you. I have seen cats given up by their owners grieve and mourn themselves TO DEATH. I've seen cats given away by their owners be fine. I've seen cats who have been declawed suffer. I have seen cats who have been declawed do absolutely fine. It isn't all as easy as it looks sometimes. I have not had a cat declawed but I did have one who had to have a mastectomy and who I am sure would have been in horrible pain had it not been for the oral pain meds the vet prescribed. I would hope any vet doing declaw surgery would provide pain meds. At any rate I'm 44 so hopefully it would be a while before I went into a nursing home. On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 7:04 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: I would seriously consider declawing very, very seriously– it is the most devastating thing for a cat. Knowing what I do, I would be more heartbroken doing it to a beloved cat than being without the cat, trust me. I wonder how a cat would feel if he/she knew that it had a choice between missing the owner or having their paws mutilated? According to Dr. Nicholas Doddman, who wrote The Cat that Cried for Help, after declawing surgery, cats feel such extreme pain that they either climb the walls of the cage or sit completely morose and cowering in the corner, something that their owners will never see. I have a copy of an article written for NY Times Magazine a few years ago, where a woman writes about declawing her older cat because her mother’s oriental rug was being scratched up. It is one of my hand-out’s to adopters – the story is heartbreaking, and very typical. After the hurricane is over, I will scan it and post it. It is probably the best I’ve read, without going into the gory details of declawing. Natalie From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 7:22 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors Sorry! This is a 62 email thread in gmail. I don't know how your email program organizes stuff. Anyway I did not look at the date. I've seen cats (especially senior cats) mourn their owners literally to death after being given away, and honestly in that case I'd rather declaw them. Hopefully I will not need to make that choice. On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 5:58 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: OMG – you are responding to a post from March……I thought that I was going crazy and somehow missed a whole thread of talking about declawing, NOW! There are also some apartments that allow cats ONLY if they are declawed…I guess they prefer taking their chances of those cats peeing everywhere instead of possibly scratching something, and it would most likely be the tenants’ own furniture! I would rather give my cat away than declaw it – especially when it’s an older cat – it’s so much harder on them (not that it isn’t on young(er) cats). There needs to be a lot of education on declawing and what the psychological/emotional and physical effects can take be. We have had a few abandoned declawed cats, and I have witnessed almost all of them…..but all the damage had already been done, and what was I to do – throw them out or kill them? I found some homes that understood the ramifications and dealt with the problems as well as they could. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 6:45 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors Because if the owner has to go into the nursing home and is fortunate enough to find one where they can take their cat, the nursing home is likely to require declawing. On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 9:34 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: That is true, but I don't understand why an old person can't have a cat with claws. Dealing mostly with feral cats, I have never been bitten or scratched - what's the danger, I am 70 yrs old. And as I
