Re: [Finale] shortcuts

[J D Thomas]

Steve is right to suggest this.  I haven’t seen it on my system for a long time 
since using Finale 25.  Altho when it did appear for me, it was usually in the 
form of continually putting in the wrong element and was frequently the last 
one I added with a meta tool.  If his suggestion doesn’t work, the only other 
thing that did work for me was a complete system reboot.  A PITA but it these a 
try.

HTH

J D Thomas
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> On Nov 13, 2019, at 12:17 PM, Fiskum, Steve  wrote:
> 
> Quickly run (slam) your fingers over all the keys like a crazy person 3-4 
> times. See if that helps. It's most likely the stuck key problem (which is a 
> Finale bug). There are other ways to take care of it but this is the most 
> reliable and takes less time.
> 
> Steve Fiskum
> 
> On 11/13/19, 1:58 PM, "Finale on behalf of Alberto Guzmán Naranjo" 
>  wrote:
> 
>Having problems with the apple keyboard. working with finale does not
>recognize the shortcuts for articulation and dynamics
> 
>Alberto Guzmán Naranjo
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Re: [Finale] Mid-measure double carline?

[J D Thomas]

As others, including myself, have suggested, split the first measure into two 
2/4 bars.  Exclude them from being included with the measure tool so it won’t 
affect your overall measure numbering scheme, whatever that may be.

Staying in the Measure tool, double-click on the half of the split measure you 
need.  This brings up the Measure Attributes dialog where you can change the 
barline from the top row of the dialog to a double-bar.  You can also use the 
options in the lower half of the same dialog to hide or show the time and key 
signature.  It’s quite easy.

HTH

J D Thomas
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> On Nov 11, 2019, at 12:44 PM, Ken Parsons  wrote:
> 
> The piece I’m doing has a new section beginning with a pick-up half-note. The 
> key changes on beat 3, as well. I want the double-bar to indicate this new 
> section.
> 
> Could you give me specifics about breaking the measure and changing the 
> barline with the time signature tool? I looked throughout it, and didn’t see 
> any way to do either of those things.
> 
> I have been able to split the measure using the Split Measure plugin, but it 
> allows only invisible or dotted barlines, not solid or double ones.
> 
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> To: "mailto:finale@shsu.edu>>" 
> mailto:finale@shsu.edu>>
> Subject: Re: [Finale] Mid-measure double barline?
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> There are two ways I can think of:  add a pair of lines with the line tool 
> and adjust it manually, or break the measure via the time signature tool and 
> change the barline as needed.  But the latter will throw off your measure 
> numbers which will need adjustment.
> 
> But why do you need this?  Just curious.
> 
> J D Thomas
> ThomaStudios
> 
> 
> On Nov 10, 2019, at 2:09 PM, Ken Parsons 
> mailto:kpars...@southern.edu>> wrote:
> 
> There must be a way to insert a mid-measure double barline in a score, but I 
> haven?t found it. I?m using Finale 26 for Mac. Any illumination welcome!
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Re: [Finale] Mid-measure double barline?

[J D Thomas]

There are two ways I can think of:  add a pair of lines with the line tool and 
adjust it manually, or break the measure via the time signature tool and change 
the barline as needed.  But the latter will throw off your measure numbers 
which will need adjustment.

But why do you need this?  Just curious.

J D Thomas
ThomaStudios


> On Nov 10, 2019, at 2:09 PM, Ken Parsons  wrote:
> 
> There must be a way to insert a mid-measure double barline in a score, but I 
> haven’t found it. I’m using Finale 26 for Mac. Any illumination welcome!
> __
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Re: [Finale] Find where expression or articulations are assigned

[J D Thomas]

Whoa, don’t get me started on the Lyric window.  I could rant for days!!!

On that same opera I mentioned in my previous message, the lyrics were 
completely unmanageable.  I spent 10 days reentering all of the lyrics in both 
acts, creating a verse for each character in the opera.  It helped immensely.  
But, then the client had someone else edit the file who didn’t know or 
appreciate these issues and screwed it up again.  I told him I would no longer 
work on this opera for him!

J D Thomas
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> On Oct 4, 2019, at 9:46 AM, Dr. Ben @ Ayotte Music  
> wrote:
> 
> worse, by far, than the bloated lyric
> window

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Re: [Finale] Find where expression or articulations are assigned

[J D Thomas]

I created them with Keyboard Maestro on a Mac.  Basically I select an 
expression and run the macro to delete it and then deal with the ensuing 
dialogs that tell me the expression is being used, and I select an existing one 
to replace it.  It’s not the greatest, but it does reduce quite a bit of the 
dialog clicking that goes with this operation.

J D Thomas
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> On Oct 4, 2019, at 9:46 AM, Dr. Ben @ Ayotte Music  
> wrote:
> 
> This is a terribly vexing problem; worse, by far, than the bloated lyric
> window. What sort of macros do you use, JD?
> 
> On Fri, Oct 4, 2019, 12:41 PM J D Thomas  wrote:
> 
>> Good tip Jef.  I am in the habit of whenever I copy/paste from another
>> file, I immediately go into the Expression dialog and delete the latest
>> dupes.  I even have macros that automate the process somewhat to reduce the
>> tedium of this operation.  I repeat the same process with articulations.
>> It’s an obscene PITA, but I do it to keep the libraries from becoming
>> bloated.  I worked on an opera several years ago that had 1800 measures in
>> the first act and 1600 in the second.  The client kept making edits that
>> were best resolved via C/P.  The libraries were a complete cluster-f*** and
>> I spent WAY TOO MUCH TIME cleaning things up.  So your tip would help
>> matter some.
>> 
>> Hopefully someone can help with this.  I don’t ever see MM addressing this
>> issue. Sigh.
>> 
>> J D Thomas
>> ThomaStudios
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 4, 2019, at 9:15 AM, SN jef chippewa <
>> shirl...@newmusicnotation.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> don't know of any way to do this as you would like it, but i usually
>> edit the object to make it 72 or 120 point (depending on the percentage
>> reduction of the systems) and flip through the score pages to locate
>> instances.
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Re: [Finale] Find where expression or articulations are assigned

[J D Thomas]

Good tip Jef.  I am in the habit of whenever I copy/paste from another file, I 
immediately go into the Expression dialog and delete the latest dupes.  I even 
have macros that automate the process somewhat to reduce the tedium of this 
operation.  I repeat the same process with articulations.  It’s an obscene 
PITA, but I do it to keep the libraries from becoming bloated.  I worked on an 
opera several years ago that had 1800 measures in the first act and 1600 in the 
second.  The client kept making edits that were best resolved via C/P.  The 
libraries were a complete cluster-f*** and I spent WAY TOO MUCH TIME cleaning 
things up.  So your tip would help matter some.

Hopefully someone can help with this.  I don’t ever see MM addressing this 
issue. Sigh.

J D Thomas
ThomaStudios


> On Oct 4, 2019, at 9:15 AM, SN jef chippewa  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> don't know of any way to do this as you would like it, but i usually edit the 
> object to make it 72 or 120 point (depending on the percentage reduction of 
> the systems) and flip through the score pages to locate instances.
> 
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Re: [Finale] Find where expression or articulations are assigned

[J D Thomas]

Robert, 

I cannot provide you with an answer but I am hoping someone, including you, can 
come up with a solution the this long-standing Finale issue.  I encounter it 
ALL the time when copying and pasting from another Finale document.  Finale 
always duplicates the expression and articulation, no matter what.  I have been 
clamoring to MM about this anomaly for years.

J D Thomas
ThomaStudios


> On Oct 4, 2019, at 8:29 AM, Robert Patterson  
> wrote:
> 
> I often encounter duplicate or extraneous definitions of expressions or
> articulations. Does anyone know a way to find where they are used (if
> Finale refuses to delete them because they are used)? Either a plugin or a
> native Finale function?
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Re: [Finale] Musical symbols for text

[J D Thomas]

I use MetTimes frequently for the same vertical reason.  It doesn’t shift the 
scaling much at all and looks good inserted.

J D Thomas
ThomaStudios


> On Oct 1, 2019, at 6:53 AM, Michael Lawlor  wrote:
> 
> Does anyone know any good fonts for musical symbols that work well in text 
> (Word documents) without being completely the wrong size or being positioned 
> incorrectly or taking up too much vertical space?
> 
> Regards,
> 
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Re: [Finale] Inefficient Management of Cross-staff Notes with Reversed Stems

[J D Thomas]

I deal with this issue all of the time but, if I understand you correctly, it 
usually occurs with cross-staff notes with reverse stems.  My workaround is to 
have two versions of the same articulation:  one’s position on the note side 
and one on the stem side.  If the staccato dot appears on the wrong side, I 
simply delete it and place the opposite one.  IOW, if the dot is meant to be on 
the note side and it’s flipping on CS notes, I replace it with a dot on the 
stem side; or vice versa.  Then Finale seems to place it correctly.  I’ve been 
complaining about this for years.  In later versions of Finale, they now have 
an auto placement for articulations.  But I’ve been doing this workaround for 
song long, I haven’t tried that.

J D Thomas
ThomaStudios


> On Sep 2, 2019, at 2:40 AM, Giovanni Andreani  
> wrote:
> 
> I’ve got a series of eight notes, beamed in couples with their heads placed 
> on two different adjacent staves (like a piano double staff system). They 
> where so positioned via Note Mover –> Cross Staff; the top note has the stem 
> facing downward and vice versa, therefore, the beam line lays horizontally 
> between the two note-heads. Two staccato dots are placed on the note-heads 
> but the staccato for the note one the top staff is erroneously positioned 
> under the beam, instead of being above the note-head. If I double click the 
> articulation’s handle, that’l suddenly move the staccato to its proper place, 
> but just for the moment, until any other action is taken, after which it’ll 
> go back to the original, unwanted place. It looks like Finale can’t deal with 
> articulations on cross-staff notes with reversed stem, at least it’s 
> happening to me now (and was the same in the past, as far as I recall).
> I understand I could manually place an attachment of the needed symbol, but I 
> would first try to see if there’s a possible, more effective workaround.
> Running Finale 25.5 on a Mac.
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Finale] Two notes versus one note

[J D Thomas]

The other thing you could do if you don’t really care to actually have two 
notes, is to only enter one note and use Special Tools to put the stem on both 
sides of the notehead.  I’ve done this many times and it’s fast and easy.


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> On Jan 29, 2017, at 12:36 PM, Sigurdur Jonsson <diddiste...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Thanks for the solution!
> 
> I entered the notes manually, in layers. But, it seems like I have to 
> re-enter the notes, it is not fixed as I do this in Documents Option. Will 
> take some time as I have done the Lyrics.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Diddi
> 
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> 
> 
> 
>> On 29. jan. 2017, at 20:13, j...@thomastudios.com wrote:
>> 
>> You don’t specify how you entered the two notes, different layers or 
>> different voices.  But there is a setting under Document Options > Music 
>> Spacing > Unisons > None that just might fix this for you.
>> 
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>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 29, 2017, at 10:38 AM, Sigurdur Jonsson <diddiste...@gmail.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Dear friends.
>>> 
>>> Having trouble with ver. 20145.5.
>>> 
>>> I am writing for mail choir. Sometimes voices like 1. and 2. tenor or 1. 
>>> and 2. bass sing the same note. In that case I would like to see (as my 
>>> previous ver. of Finale did) one notehead with two stems, up and down. But 
>>> in this ver. I see two noteheads side by side, same note, and don´t find 
>>> the way to fix it.
>>> 
>>> Any help here, please?
>>> 
>>> TIA,
>>> 
>>> Diddi
>>> 
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Re: [Finale] Install Finale 2010 on Mac OS Siera 10.12

[J D Thomas]

Robert Patterson has brought this up many times, and I can attest to the fact 
that it does indeed work:

Run an older version of Mac OS on a virtual machine using Parallels (my app of 
choice) or Fusion.  I have a VM with OS X Mountain Lion and I run a couple of 
older versions of Finale for those times when I absolutely need it.

Granted you have to purchase another commercial application, but the viable 
option is there.

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> On Nov 6, 2016, at 1:28 PM, Eric Dannewitz <ericd...@jazz-sax.com> wrote:
> 
> You might be able to use migration assistant to migrate over applications and 
> users from an older Mac, but I’d say you should probably upgrade to Finale 
> 2014.5 at least. 
> 
> 
>> On Nov 6, 2016, at 1:22 PM, Darcy James Argue <djar...@icloud.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Mike,
>> 
>> All new Macs come with macOS Sierra and it’s not possible to install an 
>> older OS. Finale 2010 is definitely not supported on Sierra. If you buy a 
>> new Mac you will also need to upgrade to Finale v25.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> – DJA
>> -
>> http://secretsocietymusic.org
>> 
>> From: Michael Dutka <mikedu...@gmail.com>
>> Reply: finale@shsu.edu <finale@shsu.edu>
>> Date: November 5, 2016 at 7:13:27 PM
>> To: finale@shsu.edu <finale@shsu.edu>
>> Subject:  [Finale] Install Finale 2010 on Mac OS Siera 10.12  
>> 
>> Hi folks. Want to buy a new computer, but don't want to upgrade to Finale  
>> 2012 (it doesn't back up as well as 2010) or 2014 (reading what you-all say  
>> about it scares me to death).  
>> 
>> Anyone know any reason I can't install Finale 2010 on a new mac, per above?  
>> Anyone know for sure that I can?  
>> 
>> Thanks,  
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Re: [Finale] Removing system-level baseline edits

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How about using TGTools to reset the baselines to default?

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> On Oct 15, 2016, at 8:09 PM, Robert Patterson <rob...@robertgpatterson.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> I would like to use the completed score of one piece as a template for
> another. Deleting the measures is easy. But I find that system-level
> baseline edits for lyrics and expressions tend to linger. (Especially
> lyrics.) Does anyone have a tip for how to clear them?
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Re: [Finale] 2012 vs 2014.5 speed test

[J D Thomas]

Your message got me thinking Robert.  I haven’t looked at the count is a long 
time.  I did that just now to the largest act and it shows I have only 17471 
active frames.  So I am well under that stated limit.

And, like Raymond, I detest splitting into separate files.  Too much work on 
the back end with parts.

Life goes on…


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> On Jul 23, 2016, at 4:14 PM, Robert Patterson <rob...@robertgpatterson.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> You guys may be hitting the frame limit of 32767, especially if there
> aren't many rests or if you use a lot of multiple layers. For any work with
> 10's of staves, I wouldn't take it past 1000 bars before splitting into a
> new file.

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Re: [Finale] 2012 vs 2014.5 speed test

[J D Thomas]

Hi Raymond,

I have been having very similar issues with a two-act opera I’ve been working 
on.  Each act is about 1500 measures, full orchestra and up to 18 characters in 
vocal lines with lyrics.  Everything you’re experiencing I have been dealing 
with for the past several months:
saving file takes up to 18-20 seconds.
time signature changes takes about 90 seconds.
instrument changes take over a minute.
JW Navigation plugin refuses to work at all on these files, but it works fine 
on other files.
Lyric editing can be most frustrating.  I have each character with its own 
separate verse for overall organization, and sometimes, when selecting a verse, 
I get the spinning beachball for over a minute.  But it’s quite random.
File size more than doubled when converting from 2012.

This is all in Finale Mac 2014.  2014.5 is worse; completely unusable.
And, to be honest, things weren’t much better back in 2012.  I abandoned that 
version since it’s quite buggy under my current OS, Yosemite 10.10.5.

I have discussed these issues with MM, and they confirm Finale doesn’t like 
large files!  No shit Sherlock!!

I know this doesn’t help your situation, but you’re not alone here.

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> On Jul 23, 2016, at 2:20 PM, Raymond Horton <horton.raym...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> One more one more thing. Trudging along in 2014 now , I have been reminded
> that every time signature change takes a very long time, about a minute or
> so. I hope I can move this file back to 2012 before I die of boredom or old
> age or both.
> 
> Raymond Horton
> Composer, Arranger
> Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) United Methodist Church
> Retired Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra, 1971-2016
> 
> 
> On Jul 23, 2016 3:25 PM, "Raymond Horton" <horton.raym...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> I promised this several weeks ago but put it off. Unfortunately, today I
>> was forced to go back and forth between the two versions because my file
>> kept crashing in 2012.
>> (Windows 10 , three year old computer that should be fast enough for most
>> apps.)
>> The file in question is more than 2,000 measures for orchestra, 5 voice
>> parts, and two pianos. Orchestra is 8 Woodwinds, five brass, timpani,
>> percussion, and a xylophone - Glockenspiel staff.
>> Saving this file in 2012 takes about 3 seconds, in 2014 22 seconds!
>> Exporting the 2014 file to a 2012 file takes about 11 seconds.
>> So, I have been working on it in 2012 for the past several months. But the
>> good news for 2014 is that the crashing that has been happening, today
>> only, every time I edit a certain part of the score happens in 2012 but not
>> 2014. So, despite the time problems, I may need to finish this file in 2014.
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Re: [Finale]

[J D Thomas]

Glad to help.  Dunno why, but I’m happy you were able to work things out.

JD

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> On Jun 25, 2016, at 2:03 PM, Thurletta Brown-Gavins <tmbr...@centurylink.net> 
> wrote:
> 
> Thanks so much, J. D. Problem solved by increasing the too-small part to 150% 
> and then reducing the whole page to 90% before printing. Still wish I knew 
> what made it happen in the first place. 
> 
> Thurletta 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> 
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>> 
>> Using the Resize tool, the one that looks like a %, click on one of the 
>> affected staves.  The ensuing dialog will tell you what size it is.  I 
>> suspect it?s less that 100%.
>> 
>> 
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>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 24, 2016, at 11:14 AM, Thurletta Brown-Gavins 
>>> <tmbr...@centurylink.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I sure hope someone sees this in time to help me before Sunday morning
>>> 
>>> My choir has gone on vacation and I've planned a duet in lieu of an anthem 
>>> for this Sunday. The two ladies will be singing a hymn, but I've used 
>>> Finale to "un-hynify" it by adding interludes and a key-change before the 
>>> final verse.
>>> 
>>> Here is the problem: The scanned tiff converted without issue. In order to 
>>> create the final verse to be modulated, I copied the original hymn and 
>>> pasted it into new measures I had added at the end, then I transposed it up 
>>> a half-step. For some reason, the staves and notes are about a third the 
>>> size they should be! I do not know how this happened and I do not know how 
>>> to correct the problem.
>>> 
>>> Can someone please help? I need to work on this tomorrow in order to have 
>>> it ready to print and play on Sunday morning. Thanks in advance.
>>> 
>>> Thurletta Brown-Gavins
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Re: [Finale] how do I delete #1 measures?

[J D Thomas]

You need to reset the pickup measure from the set pickup m. menu and deselect 
what's there. 

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> On Nov 28, 2015, at 8:29 PM, Raymond Horton  wrote:
> 
> Windows Finale 2014: I had a pickup measure of 1/8 note that I had labeled
> as not included in measure numbering. Now I am trying to insert a 90
> measure piece in front of it and I can't get rid of the #1 bar.  This has
> fouled up other things such as putting in double bars and final bars. I
> can't figure out how to clear this, I've tried deleting the measure etc
> etc, nothing seems to help. Thanks for any suggestions!
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Re: [Finale] Lyric Baselines non-functional in Finale 2014.5?

[J D Thomas]

Just to be sure, try double clicking on a word in the lyric to make certain you 
are selecting the correct verse. 

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> On Nov 28, 2015, at 8:51 PM, Allen Fisher  wrote:
> 
> Hey All—
> 
> Using Finale 2014.5 on Mac OS X 10.10. Attempting to adjust baselines doesn’t 
> move lyrics at all in the files I’m working in… I’ve made sure I’m in the 
> right layer and all by using the selection tool… Anyone else running into 
> this? I’ve even tried the Reset Lyric Baselines plugin and that seems to be 
> non-functional as well. These are files converted from older versions… can’t 
> remember offhand which versions they’ve been through.
> 
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[Finale] Jari-Plugin malfunctioning suddenly

[J D Thomas]

Hi Jari,

I'm working on a rather large Finale file in FinMac2012.  I've been using the 
JW Space Systems v1.12 plugin extensively and suddenly the other day it started 
doing something unexpected:  instead of positioning a single orchestra system 
in the center of the page, as I have it set up to do, it's executing a fit 
music command.  IOW, it constantly takes the systems on one page and moves them 
to the previous page.  This started happening about 3-4 days ago, and it's 
still doing exactly that.  Just this morning I tried it again, and same thing, 
with the same exact measures.  And now those measure are about 20 pages back.  
Weird.  I've restarted my Mac and Finale, but it steadfastly keeps screwing up. 
 Unfortunately it's now a completely deprecated plugin for me.

I have not tried it in Finale 2014.  Too busy to mess with that.

J D Thomas
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Re: [Finale] OT: Baroque Articulation

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I have a client that uses these articulations pretty extensively, in addition 
to normal staccato dots.  We refer to them as martellato staccato, and IIRC 
they are accented staccato.

YMMV.

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 For those who transcribe baroque manuscripts.
 
 Am I correct in assuming that the articulation mark that looks like a
 modern staccatissimo dagger should be transcribed as a modern staccato
 dot?
 
 It has been suggested to me that it should be interpreted as an articulated
 note and not necessarily as a staccato in the modern sense (or is this
 rubbish?)
 
 Cheers,
 
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Re: [Finale] default rest question

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Standard notation convention is to simply use a normal whole rest.  Ever read 
something in 12/8?  I would say the composer was being over-anal when writing 
the original manuscript.

You could go against convention and substitute a double-whole rest, but why 
create more work for yourself?

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On May 16, 2014, at 8:05 AM, Martin Banner mbanner...@aol.com wrote:

 I am preparing a modern edition of an 18th century choral/orchestral  
 work. The last several movements are in cut time (4/2), four beats to  
 a measure, half note gets the beat.
 
 Finale uses a whole rest as the default empty measure rest, but I'm  
 not sure if this is preferable, or a double whole rest (which is what  
 actually is written by the composer in his autograph score). For a  
 modern edition, is standard practice for an empty measure in 4/2 time  
 a whole rest or double whole rest?
 
 If the concensus is double whole rest, how does one get the double  
 whole rest centered in the empty measures?
 
 Thanks,
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Re: [Finale] Entering text into Shape Designer

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As you already most likely know Robert, Shape Designer is probably the WORST 
module in Finale.  I think it's virtually unchanged since I first used it way 
back in Finale 2.0, early 90s.  You cannot copy / paste anywhere it in to me 
knowledge.

Whenever I need a certain character anywhere in Finale, I try to insert it with 
PopChar, a commercial utility.  But even then, Finale's copy/paste routine is 
horribly inefficient and probably broken, at least on my system.

I wish I could be of further help.

J D Thomas
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On Apr 26, 2014, at 9:46 AM, Robert Patterson rob...@robertgpatterson.com 
wrote:

 Is there any way to enter text into the shape designer other than by typing
 it? I would love to be able to paste it in, but that doesn't seem to be an
 option. (I would like to use a symbol character for which there does not
 appear to be a keyboard combo.)
 
 In case someone knows a way to type a ◯ character on Mac I could try that
 too.
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Re: [Finale] Any idea if/when there will be a patch B for 2014?

[J D Thomas]

There is also a startup bug for those with Apple displays.  Forced me back to 
the pre-A version.  

From the sounds of Chuck and Craig, that's where I'll stay.

J D Thomas
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On Apr 5, 2014, at 9:29 AM, Craig Parmerlee cr...@parmerlee.com wrote:

 There are a bunch of bugs in the A version.  That smart find and paste 
 is so messed up, it is practically unusable.  Half the time, when 
 copying hairpins, some of them get wildly wrong coordinates in the 
 target measures, stretching them over 40 measures or something. And it 
 no longer finds matches properly.  It worked fine for me up through 2012.
 
 This is turning what should have been a 60 minute editing job into a 5 
 hour marathon because I have to apply all my slurs and hairpins manually.
 
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Re: [Finale] How to move notes

[J D Thomas]

I completely agree with Chuck.  That's the primary reason I have the F9 key 
programmed to toggle it on and off.

Now if we could just convince MM to re-input the Cancel button is the 'too many 
beats' dialog, I would be a very happy man!!

J D Thomas
ThomaStudios

On Mar 29, 2014, at 11:03 AM, Chuck Israels cisra...@comcast.net wrote:

 Easy to miss, because it would be better placed in the first Speedy Entry 
 dialog window rather than hidden behind it in the options.  At least it seems 
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Re: [Finale] upgrade info

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On Mar 23, 2014, at 11:32 AM, Eric Dannewitz ericd...@jazz-sax.com wrote:

 Best thing one should do upgrading from 10.6 is to do a complete new install 
 on a new drive, and then use the migration assistant to transfer over your 
 applications and stuff.

I wholeheartedly agree with Eric on this one, provided one's situation allows 
it.  I have 12 core MacPro that I just got before the 'new' MacPros came out, 
and with 4 drive bays, I was able to do a clean install of Mav, migrate my user 
account etc., and it still gives me the option of going back to ML, which I do 
most of the time right now.  To be honest, I am not at all impressed with 10.9; 
Apple's sloppiest OS transition to date IMO.  Mail still doesn't work right and 
the main reason I wanted to try it out was multiple monitor support, which is 
OK, but some applications, like Apple Mail, refuses to remember window 
positions regarding a 2nd monitor.

Those who use iMacs and laptops won't find this method quite as easy unless 
going with external drives.  That's one of the reasons prefer the old MacPros.

As far as Finale is concerned, it seems OK, but then I still do 99% of my work 
in ML, so take that with a caveat as it was intended.

For those of us with Apple Cinema displays, there is a bug in update 2014a that 
occurs on startup that has no current workaround.  MM recommended I go back to 
2014, which I did.

Just venting…

J D Thomas
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Re: [Finale] always open with 2012 disabled when 2014 installed

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John is exactly right, at least that's how it works on my system.

Since it haven't completely adopted Finale 2014 for all my files yet, I've 
gotten into the habit of NOT double clicking files.  Rather I right-click and 
select the version of Finale that I want to use, usually 2012.

J D Thomas
ThomaStudios

On Mar 17, 2014, at 7:23 PM, John Roberts an...@nycap.rr.com wrote:

 My understanding is that if 2012 is running and 2014, though installed, 
 is closed, double clicking a Finale file will open it in 2012. (If it 
 was created in 2014, it will simply not open, with a message to that 
 effect).
 JR
 
  On 3/17/14, 6:19 PM, Ryan wrote:
 Hello
 Mac OS.
 I installed Finale 2014 and started messing around and setting up my
 default files and other templates. I still have many files that I'm working
 on in 2012, and I'd like to continue working in 2012 until the project is
 completed.
 However, when I select the file in the Finder and choose Get Info to define
 which app I want to open .mus files, I can choose 2012, but when I click
 the Change All button, it reverts to 2014. Has Finale somehow disabled this
 action? Until the majority of my projects are in 2014, I want 2012 to open
 the files on default.
 And, is there a difference between .mus and .musx file extensions?
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Re: [Finale] Union rules on doubling

[J D Thomas]

Thanks Gary, and all who chimed in with what they know.  Very, very 
informative.  Exactly what I was looking for.

J D Thomas
ThomaStudios

On Mar 17, 2014, at 10:28 AM, Greg Hamilton greghamil...@shaw.ca wrote:

 Hi J D,
 
 Just to clarify, each AFM Local determines their own rules for doubling for 
 Live engagements, in other words, any engagement falling within their 
 jurisdiction. Rules for Electronic media agreements (i.e. film, TV, sound 
 recording, etc.) are determined at the national level by the AFM Agreement in 
 which the session would be recorded under.
 
 I would double check with the local in which the gig is taking place, just to 
 be sure.
 
 Hope this helps,
 Greg
 
 Greg Hamilton
 Music Service
 Office: 604.420.COPY (2679)
 Cel: 604.612.9204
 
 From: J D Thomas j...@thomastudios.com
 Subject: [Finale] Union rules on doubling
 Date: 16 March, 2014 5:12:14 PM PDT
 To: finale@shsu.edu finale@shsu.edu
 Reply-To: finale@shsu.edu
 
 
 I had a phone conversation with a client earlier today.  And the topic of 
 doublings came up.  This is going to happen in a live situation, not in the 
 studio.  He is going to have a situation where the two clarinets are going 
 to most likely be playing both Bb and A clarinets.  Someone from NYC checked 
 into it for him and told him that the two clarinets were considered the same 
 under union doubling rules.
 
 I am a member of Local 47, Los Angeles, and I told him if a player picks up 
 another instrument and plays it on a session, it's a double.  Period.  He 
 argued that this was not the case with classical performances and reiterated 
 that the two clarinets are considered the same.  I countered that they were 
 not, and he was getting erroneous information.
 
 I'd like to hear what everyone knows on this issue.  I did many, many 
 sessions in LA when I lived there for 21 years.  Both live and recorded.  
 But I will admit my memory is foggy; I've been out of LA for over 13 years.  
 But I do recall that if a played picks up another axe, it's a double.
 
 Any and all opinions are most welcome.
 
 J D Thomas
 ThomaStudios
 
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[Finale] Union rules on doubling

[J D Thomas]

I had a phone conversation with a client earlier today.  And the topic of 
doublings came up.  This is going to happen in a live situation, not in the 
studio.  He is going to have a situation where the two clarinets are going to 
most likely be playing both Bb and A clarinets.  Someone from NYC checked into 
it for him and told him that the two clarinets were considered the same under 
union doubling rules.

I am a member of Local 47, Los Angeles, and I told him if a player picks up 
another instrument and plays it on a session, it's a double.  Period.  He 
argued that this was not the case with classical performances and reiterated 
that the two clarinets are considered the same.  I countered that they were 
not, and he was getting erroneous information.

I'd like to hear what everyone knows on this issue.  I did many, many sessions 
in LA when I lived there for 21 years.  Both live and recorded.  But I will 
admit my memory is foggy; I've been out of LA for over 13 years.  But I do 
recall that if a played picks up another axe, it's a double.

Any and all opinions are most welcome.

J D Thomas
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Re: [Finale] FINMAC Clear key alternative?

[J D Thomas]

It's a new combination.  Just out.  Try it.

J D Thomas
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On Feb 21, 2014, at 2:01 AM, Eric Fiedler eric.f.fied...@t-online.de wrote:

 I'm not sure I'd want to delete my shirt. At least not in public.  ;-)
 Eric
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 Shirt-Delete works for laptop KBs.  Try that.
 
 
 
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Re: [Finale] FINMAC Clear key alternative?

[J D Thomas]

Naw, keep it.  I'm good!


On Feb 21, 2014, at 9:47 AM, GERALD BERG gj.b...@rogers.com wrote:

 Brilliant!  Works!  Thanks.  You can have the shirt off my back  JD!
  
 GJB
 
 
 
 From: J D Thomas j...@thomastudios.com
 To: finale@shsu.edu 
 Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 1:09:27 AM
 Subject: Re: [Finale] FINMAC   Clear key alternative?
 
 
 Shirt-Delete works for laptop KBs.  Try that.
 
 J D Thomas
 ThomaStudios
 
 
 On Feb 20, 2014, at 7:18 PM, GERALD BERG gj.b...@rogers.com wrote:
 
 Hi all
 
 Is there an alternate key combo for CLEAR in Speedy entry?  (i.e. clear this 
 note from chord)   My keyboard lacks the clear key -- a wireless jobbie...
 
   
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Re: [Finale] FINMAC Clear key alternative?

[J D Thomas]

Shirt-Delete works for laptop KBs.  Try that.

J D Thomas
ThomaStudios

On Feb 20, 2014, at 7:18 PM, GERALD BERG gj.b...@rogers.com wrote:

 Hi all
 
 Is there an alternate key combo for CLEAR in Speedy entry?  (i.e. clear this 
 note from chord)   My keyboard lacks the clear key -- a wireless jobbie...
 
  
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Re: [Finale] TGTools for 2014

[J D Thomas]

Excellent!.  Thanks for the headzup Eric.

J D Thomas
ThomaStudios

On Feb 16, 2014, at 12:57 PM, Eric Dannewitz ericd...@jazz-sax.com wrote:

 Seems like he updated them for Finale 2014. Whoohoo! Thanks Tobias
 
 
 
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Re: [Finale] TGTools for 2014

[J D Thomas]

Can you (Eric) or anyone confirm that this is really an update?  The version 
number is the same for Macs, 2.60, and the creation date still says Dec 2009.

Hmm.

J D Thomas
ThomaStudios

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 Seems like he updated them for Finale 2014. Whoohoo! Thanks Tobias
 
 
 
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Re: [Finale] TGTools for 2014

[J D Thomas]

The set that is included with Finale is the 'lite' set.  The full version does 
co$t.

J D Thomas
ThomaStudios

On Feb 16, 2014, at 3:51 PM, Michael Mathew mmathew_musicp...@yahoo.com wrote:

 While looking at Finale without the update, to me it appears that TG already 
 updated the tool set and Finale have included it in the 2014a update?
 
 Fascinating and a thanks to Mr. T!
  
 mmathew_musicp...@yahoo.com
 http://www.musicengravers.com/cgi-bin/engravers.pl
 http://oregonmts.com/mathew/
 
 
 
 On Sunday, February 16, 2014 3:36 PM, Michael Mathew 
 mmathew_musicp...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
 The new file is on the download page of his website:
 
 http://www.tgtools.de/downdocs.htm
 
 
 Michael Mathew 
 
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 http://www.musicengravers.com/cgi-bin/engravers.pl
 http://oregonmts.com/mathew/
 
 
 
 On Sunday, February 16, 2014 2:48 PM, Eric Dannewitz ericd...@jazz-sax.com 
 wrote:
 
 It is working under 2014 for Mac, which it wasn't doing before
 
 So, that part has been updated
 
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 On Feb 16, 2014, at 1:33 PM, J D Thomas j...@thomastudios.com wrote:
 
 Can you (Eric) or anyone confirm that this is really an update?  The version 
 number is the same for Macs, 2.60, and the creation date still says Dec 2009.
 
 Hmm.
 
 J D Thomas
 ThomaStudios
 
 On Feb 16, 2014, at 12:57 PM, Eric Dannewitz ericd...@jazz-sax.com wrote:
 
 Seems like he updated them for Finale 2014. Whoohoo! Thanks Tobias
 
 
 
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Re: [Finale] Locating the Plug-in Folder

[J D Thomas]

There are two Application Support folders:  both in Library, one at the root 
level and one in your user folder.  Both are irritatingly hidden by default in 
the last 3 Mac OS iterations.  But they are still accessible.  (just in case 
you weren't aware of that).  Hold down the option key.

J D Thomas
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On Dec 11, 2013, at 2:32 AM, Glen Daum glend...@mac.com wrote:

 Jari,
 
 I meant Application Support. It isn't showing up. I wonder why not?
 
 Glen
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On Dec 11, 2013, at 5:20 AM, Jari Williamsson 
 jari.williams...@mailbox.swipnet.se wrote:
 
 On 2013-12-11 11:07, Glen Daum wrote:
 
 I know that this must have been discussed previously, but I'm having 
 difficulty making
 the Plug-in folder appear in my Mac Finder. I go to 
 Library––Applications––Make Music––Finale 2014 and it's not there.
 What am I missing? Is there some trick I have to do to access it?
 
 It's in Application Support, not Applications.
 
 
 Best regards,
 
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Re: [Finale] cut time question

[J D Thomas]

In the time sig dialog, click on Options and have it show another time 
signature.

J D Thomas
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On Dec 8, 2013, at 7:37 AM, Martin Banner mbanner...@aol.com wrote:

 In Finale 2008, I have a movement in 4/2 time (marked alla breve). I  
 want the time signature to show as cut time, not 4/2. How do I  
 accomplish this?
 
 Thanks,
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Re: [Finale] random thoughts on 2014

[J D Thomas]

I agree.  My notation experience goes way back to well before computers entered 
the scene and it was all done by hand.  I was schooled in LA where, as is the 
case pretty much everywhere, you never, ever have enough rehearsal time.  So 
the music should be notated explicitly where absolutely no questions arise.  
That just wastes time.

In overly complicated, non-key-signature pieces, courtesy accidentals are 
completely warranted, especially in 2-handed parts like piano and harp.

'Go back to school'??? Get over yourself!!

J D Thomas
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On Nov 19, 2013, at 7:45 AM, Ryan Beard ry.squa...@gmail.com wrote:

 I wouldn't go that far. A courtesy accidental is very helpful on those 
 occasions when you really mean to have an F# and and F-nat at the same time 
 in an otherwise tonal piece. More of a this is not a printing error thing. 
 Granted, a non-courtesy would do just fine in that instance, too. 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Nov 19, 2013, at 7:36 AM, Patrick Sheehan patricksheehanmu...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Courtesy accidentals (ANYWHERE) are for the weak.  If you *need* them in the
 part, then that means you're not following the key signature.  Back to
 school!
 
 patricksheehanmu...@gmail.com
 -Original Message-
 From: Christopher Smith [mailto:christopher.sm...@videotron.ca] 
 Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2013 12:28 PM
 To: finale@shsu.edu
 Subject: Re: [Finale] random thoughts on 2014
 
 If you will permit a somewhat differing opinion, I think there are places
 where cautionaries are necessary, even when there isn't a key change, and I
 have figured out after many years that NON-parenthesised ones actually are
 easier to read.
 
 I know that parentheses make logical sense, that a parenthesised accidental
 is kind of like saying, I KNOW you know this, but here's a reminder to
 differentiate it from one that is absolutely necessary. But from a distance,
 parentheses around an accidental makes all three (sharp, flat, and natural)
 into the same outline, so you have to read more closely to see which
 accidental it actually is. Already, sharps and naturals are easy to confuse
 with each other; the parentheses make it worse. I keep getting caught by
 these on the gigs I do where the Finale user is less than professional. And
 Sibelius seems to have this redundant accidental default that puts in
 accidentals on the SECOND of two tied notes!
 
 Christopher
 
 
 On Sun Nov 10, at SundayNov 10 12:39 PM, Craig Parmerlee wrote:
 
 
 For those of us with imperfect eyesight, we cannot always see the 
 accidental clearly.  If I can see that there is an accidental, then I 
 can make a quick judgment about whether it is most likely a flat, sharp, 
 or natural and be right almost all the time.  People who add unnecessary 
 accidental markings without parenthesizing them should be shot, IMHO.  
 And people who pencil in unnecessary accidentals BESIDE notes in the 
 music should also be shot.  If one needs a reminder about a note, write 
 the accidental ABOVE the note, with a parenthesis and there will never 
 be any confusion.  IMHO, the only time an accidental should be penciled 
 BESIDE a note is when correcting a misprint.
 
 
 
 
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Re: [Finale] random thoughts on 2014

[J D Thomas]

Yum!!

On Nov 19, 2013, at 9:45 AM, Robert Patterson rob...@robertgpatterson.com 
wrote:

 Nut, I don't know. It is certainly the opinion of one who enjoys the
 delicious crunchy sound of wrong notes.
 
 
 On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 9:43 AM, Steve Parker st...@pinkrat.co.uk wrote:
 
 This is nuts!
 
 Steve P.
 
 On 19 Nov 2013, at 15:36, Patrick Sheehan patricksheehanmu...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
 Courtesy accidentals (ANYWHERE) are for the weak.  If you *need* them in
 the
 part, then that means you're not following the key signature.  Back to
 school!
 
 patricksheehanmu...@gmail.com
 -Original Message-
 From: Christopher Smith [mailto:christopher.sm...@videotron.ca]
 Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2013 12:28 PM
 To: finale@shsu.edu
 Subject: Re: [Finale] random thoughts on 2014
 
 If you will permit a somewhat differing opinion, I think there are places
 where cautionaries are necessary, even when there isn't a key change,
 and I
 have figured out after many years that NON-parenthesised ones actually
 are
 easier to read.
 
 I know that parentheses make logical sense, that a parenthesised
 accidental
 is kind of like saying, I KNOW you know this, but here's a reminder to
 differentiate it from one that is absolutely necessary. But from a
 distance,
 parentheses around an accidental makes all three (sharp, flat, and
 natural)
 into the same outline, so you have to read more closely to see which
 accidental it actually is. Already, sharps and naturals are easy to
 confuse
 with each other; the parentheses make it worse. I keep getting caught by
 these on the gigs I do where the Finale user is less than professional.
 And
 Sibelius seems to have this redundant accidental default that puts in
 accidentals on the SECOND of two tied notes!
 
 Christopher
 
 
 On Sun Nov 10, at SundayNov 10 12:39 PM, Craig Parmerlee wrote:
 
 
 For those of us with imperfect eyesight, we cannot always see the
 accidental clearly.  If I can see that there is an accidental, then I
 can make a quick judgment about whether it is most likely a flat, sharp,
 or natural and be right almost all the time.  People who add unnecessary
 accidental markings without parenthesizing them should be shot, IMHO.
 And people who pencil in unnecessary accidentals BESIDE notes in the
 music should also be shot.  If one needs a reminder about a note, write
 the accidental ABOVE the note, with a parenthesis and there will never
 be any confusion.  IMHO, the only time an accidental should be penciled
 BESIDE a note is when correcting a misprint.
 
 
 
 
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Re: [Finale] Finale 2014

[J D Thomas]

I got the exact same message from Tobias this morning after I emailed him 
yesterday.

Alas, no timetable, but hopeful nonetheless.


J D Thomas
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On Nov 5, 2013, at 9:24 AM, Eric Dannewitz ericd...@jazz-sax.com wrote:

 Here is word about TGTools
 
 
 Begin forwarded message:
 
 *From:* tob...@tgtools.de
 *Date:* November 5, 2013 3:25:10 AM PST
 *To:* Eric Dannewitz ericd...@jazz-sax.com
 *Subject:* *Re: Finale 2014*
 
 Hello,
 
 yes I will make an update.
 
 Kind Regards,
 Tobias Giesen
 
 Super Flexible Software Ltd.  Co. KG
 Buddenstr. 29-31
 48143 Münster, Germany
 www.superflexible.com
 www.tgtools.com
 
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Re: [Finale] Disappearing scrolls with OS 10.8.5

[J D Thomas]

Google 'smart scroll Mac'

This will be the top link.''

J D Thomas
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On Oct 18, 2013, at 7:19 AM, Klaus Smedegaard Bjerre yorkmaster...@yahoo.com 
wrote:

 Sure that is the exact app name?
 
 Looked in the App Store from my OSX 10.7.5 desktop as well as from my 
 OSX10.8.5 desktop and didn#x27;t see it.
 
 A version for the older desktop would be most import for my work in Finale 
 2012.
 
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Re: [Finale] Disappearing scrolls with OS 10.8.5

[J D Thomas]

Well, my url link didn't take.

Go here:  http://www.marcmoini.com/sx_en.html


On Oct 18, 2013, at 7:35 AM, J D Thomas j...@thomastudios.com wrote:

 Google 'smart scroll Mac'
 
 This will be the top link.''
 
 J D Thomas
 ThomaStudios
 
 On Oct 18, 2013, at 7:19 AM, Klaus Smedegaard Bjerre 
 yorkmaster...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
 Sure that is the exact app name?
 
 Looked in the App Store from my OSX 10.7.5 desktop as well as from my 
 OSX10.8.5 desktop and didn#x27;t see it.
 
 A version for the older desktop would be most import for my work in Finale 
 2012.
 
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Re: [Finale] typing in music symbols

[J D Thomas]

Linda, 

One app I use that's very handy for finding and inserting various characters 
system-wide is PopChar.  It does cost $ but I find it indispensable.  It lives 
in the menubar to the left of the Apple menu when installed.

And, according to PopChar, ff fortissimo is opt-f and fff is shift-option-f in 
Maestro.

But you probably already knew that, yes?

J D Thomas
ThomaStudios
 
On Apr 8, 2013, at 1:33 PM, Linda Worsley wrote:

 Thanks to all for pointing me at some sources.  I'm aware of the baseline
 problems and just deal with them as they come up, by a variety of editing
 tricks.  But I'm having trouble finding a keystroke for fortissimo (ff).
 If I use the one in the chart I get fff so I don't quite know what to do
 about that.  I've been using maestro, but maybe I'll see if engraver has
 its head on straight.
 
 Thanks again!
 
 Linda
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Re: [Finale] O wise ones...

[J D Thomas]

On a follow up, while Hide Staves works very well for hiding empty staves, 
sometimes you might need to hide staves that actually contain music.  I 
discovered this myself recently when a client requested just such a scenario.  
I learned, with Darcy and Robert's help, that you can apply the Staff Style 
Force Hide and Collapse to accomplish.  It may come up for you, and it's really 
handy to know.  You get to it from Staff Styles.

HTH.

J D Thomas
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On Mar 15, 2013, at 10:19 PM, J D Thomas wrote:

 You're welcome Les.
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On Mar 15, 2013, at 9:28 PM, Mariposa Symphony Orchestra m...@sti.net wrote:
 
 J D - 
 
 Thanks VERY much!   Absolutely did the trick.   My own fault, though for not 
 guessing MM would change not only the tool, but what it’s called – I 
 (naturally) checked the online FM’s index under “Systems” and “Optimiz---” 
 and not a thing.   And as I seem to recall it was referred to as “System 
 Optimization” in the past incarnations of Finale over the past 80 or 90 
 years.   And now: “Hide Staves”??!   Well, okay, sure, MM!
 
 In any event, THANKS J D!!   I really appreciate your help.  
 
 Les Marsden
 (209) 966-6988 (H)
 (559) 708-6027 (Limited-reception cell)
 7145 Snyder Creek Road
 Mariposa, CA 95338-9641
 
 Chairman, Mariposa County Planning Commission
 President, Mariposa County Arts Council, Incorporated
 Board Director, Economic Development Corporation of Mariposa County
 Founding Music Director and Conductor, The Mariposa Symphony Orchestra ♫ ♪ ♫
 
 Marsden Marx Pages (former career ended by disability): 
 http://tinyurl.com/ygpj7og 
 Mariposa Symphony Orchestra: http://arts-mariposa.org/symphony.html 
 
 
 
 From: J D Thomas 
 Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 6:17 PM
 To: mailto:finale@shsu.edu 
 Subject: Re: [Finale] O wise ones...
 
 Staff tool  Hide Staves
 
 Staff optimizing in Finale 2012 was consolidated into the Staff tool
 
 J D Thomas
 ThomaStudios
 
 Sent from my iSomething-or-other
 
 On Mar 15, 2013, at 6:11 PM, Mariposa Symphony Orchestra m...@sti.net 
 wrote:
 
 I rarely optimize systems, but have appreciated the ability to do so from 
 time to rare time.   And now, for the first time since upgrading to 2012 a 
 million years ago, I can’t find the option to do so.   Used to be in page 
 layout, right?Well – unless the gremlins have been busy chewing their 
 way through my computer, it ain’t there.   And yup, I RTFM – and it wasn’t 
 THERE, either.
 
 So --- did MM do away with system optimization??Anyone?And FWIW, 
 Win8 – and as noted, Fin12.
 
 Thanks!
 
 Les Marsden
 (209) 966-6988 (H)
 (559) 708-6027 (Limited-reception cell)
 7145 Snyder Creek Road
 Mariposa, CA 95338-9641
 
 Chairman, Mariposa County Planning Commission
 President, Mariposa County Arts Council, Incorporated
 Board Director, Economic Development Corporation of Mariposa County
 Founding Music Director and Conductor, The Mariposa Symphony Orchestra ♫ ♪ ♫
 
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Re: [Finale] O wise ones...

[J D Thomas]

Staff tool  Hide Staves

Staff optimizing in Finale 2012 was consolidated into the Staff tool

J D Thomas
ThomaStudios

Sent from my iSomething-or-other

On Mar 15, 2013, at 6:11 PM, Mariposa Symphony Orchestra m...@sti.net wrote:

 I rarely optimize systems, but have appreciated the ability to do so from 
 time to rare time.   And now, for the first time since upgrading to 2012 a 
 million years ago, I can’t find the option to do so.   Used to be in page 
 layout, right?Well – unless the gremlins have been busy chewing their way 
 through my computer, it ain’t there.   And yup, I RTFM – and it wasn’t THERE, 
 either.
 
 So --- did MM do away with system optimization??Anyone?And FWIW, Win8 
 – and as noted, Fin12.
 
 Thanks!
 
 Les Marsden
 (209) 966-6988 (H)
 (559) 708-6027 (Limited-reception cell)
 7145 Snyder Creek Road
 Mariposa, CA 95338-9641
 
 Chairman, Mariposa County Planning Commission
 President, Mariposa County Arts Council, Incorporated
 Board Director, Economic Development Corporation of Mariposa County
 Founding Music Director and Conductor, The Mariposa Symphony Orchestra ♫ ♪ ♫
 
 Marsden Marx Pages (former career ended by disability): 
 http://tinyurl.com/ygpj7og 
 Mariposa Symphony Orchestra: http://arts-mariposa.org/symphony.html 
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Re: [Finale] O wise ones...

[J D Thomas]

Yes on all counts. Trust me, you'll like it. 

J D Thomas
ThomaStudios

Sent from my iSomething-or-other

On Mar 15, 2013, at 6:35 PM, Cecil Rigby rigra...@att.net wrote:

 And is the use of the staff tool for this purpose allowed in page view so you 
 can actually see what's being done?
 Does this mean you can no longer right-click a system in page view and select 
 Optimize systems...?
 I was thinking of upgrading to 2012 but I want to make SURE staff 
 optimization can be done while in page view.
 Thanks-
 Cecil Rigby
 Clemson, SC
 
 -Original Message-
 From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of J 
 D Thomas
 Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 9:18 PM
 To: finale@shsu.edu
 Subject: Re: [Finale] O wise ones...
 
 Staff tool  Hide Staves
 
 Staff optimizing in Finale 2012 was consolidated into the Staff tool
 
 J D Thomas
 ThomaStudios
 
 Sent from my iSomething-or-other
 
 On Mar 15, 2013, at 6:11 PM, Mariposa Symphony Orchestra m...@sti.net wrote:
 
 I rarely optimize systems, but have appreciated the ability to do so from 
 time to rare time.   And now, for the first time since upgrading to 2012 a 
 million years ago, I can’t find the option to do so.   Used to be in page 
 layout, right?Well – unless the gremlins have been busy chewing their 
 way through my computer, it ain’t there.   And yup, I RTFM – and it wasn’t 
 THERE, either.
 
 So --- did MM do away with system optimization??Anyone?And FWIW, 
 Win8 – and as noted, Fin12.
 
 Thanks!
 
 Les Marsden
 (209) 966-6988 (H)
 (559) 708-6027 (Limited-reception cell)
 7145 Snyder Creek Road
 Mariposa, CA 95338-9641
 
 Chairman, Mariposa County Planning Commission President, Mariposa 
 County Arts Council, Incorporated Board Director, Economic Development 
 Corporation of Mariposa County Founding Music Director and Conductor, 
 The Mariposa Symphony Orchestra ♫ ♪ ♫
 
 Marsden Marx Pages (former career ended by disability): 
 http://tinyurl.com/ygpj7og Mariposa Symphony Orchestra: 
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Re: [Finale] O wise ones...

[J D Thomas]

You're welcome Les.

Sent from my iPad

On Mar 15, 2013, at 9:28 PM, Mariposa Symphony Orchestra m...@sti.net wrote:

 J D - 
 
 Thanks VERY much!   Absolutely did the trick.   My own fault, though for not 
 guessing MM would change not only the tool, but what it’s called – I 
 (naturally) checked the online FM’s index under “Systems” and “Optimiz---” 
 and not a thing.   And as I seem to recall it was referred to as “System 
 Optimization” in the past incarnations of Finale over the past 80 or 90 
 years.   And now: “Hide Staves”??!   Well, okay, sure, MM!
 
 In any event, THANKS J D!!   I really appreciate your help.  
 
 Les Marsden
 (209) 966-6988 (H)
 (559) 708-6027 (Limited-reception cell)
 7145 Snyder Creek Road
 Mariposa, CA 95338-9641
 
 Chairman, Mariposa County Planning Commission
 President, Mariposa County Arts Council, Incorporated
 Board Director, Economic Development Corporation of Mariposa County
 Founding Music Director and Conductor, The Mariposa Symphony Orchestra ♫ ♪ ♫
 
 Marsden Marx Pages (former career ended by disability): 
 http://tinyurl.com/ygpj7og 
 Mariposa Symphony Orchestra: http://arts-mariposa.org/symphony.html 
 
 
 
 From: J D Thomas 
 Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 6:17 PM
 To: mailto:finale@shsu.edu 
 Subject: Re: [Finale] O wise ones...
 
 Staff tool  Hide Staves
 
 Staff optimizing in Finale 2012 was consolidated into the Staff tool
 
 J D Thomas
 ThomaStudios
 
 Sent from my iSomething-or-other
 
 On Mar 15, 2013, at 6:11 PM, Mariposa Symphony Orchestra m...@sti.net wrote:
 
 I rarely optimize systems, but have appreciated the ability to do so from 
 time to rare time.   And now, for the first time since upgrading to 2012 a 
 million years ago, I can’t find the option to do so.   Used to be in page 
 layout, right?Well – unless the gremlins have been busy chewing their 
 way through my computer, it ain’t there.   And yup, I RTFM – and it wasn’t 
 THERE, either.
 
 So --- did MM do away with system optimization??Anyone?And FWIW, 
 Win8 – and as noted, Fin12.
 
 Thanks!
 
 Les Marsden
 (209) 966-6988 (H)
 (559) 708-6027 (Limited-reception cell)
 7145 Snyder Creek Road
 Mariposa, CA 95338-9641
 
 Chairman, Mariposa County Planning Commission
 President, Mariposa County Arts Council, Incorporated
 Board Director, Economic Development Corporation of Mariposa County
 Founding Music Director and Conductor, The Mariposa Symphony Orchestra ♫ ♪ ♫
 
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[Finale] Finale Default Fonts Massaging

[J D Thomas]

Please help me out here.  There were several discussions some time ago about 
manipulating certain text files responsible for controlling the default fonts 
within Finale, namely now for me, FinMac2012.  I thought I archived them but 
alas, no go.

Can someone here enlighten me and point me in the right direction?  I want to 
control the default text files mainly, so when I begin a new file, import XML, 
etc. I don't have to go thru and change them at that point.  This is possible, 
yes?

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Re: [Finale] Score with cue notes

[J D Thomas]

Thanks Robert.  That Collapse style is what I was trying to recall since I've 
never used it before.  Alas, none of the combinations I tried in the score 
really worked to my satisfaction.  Hide and collapse in score only was close, 
but when I have situations where a cue is in a measure that's the first measure 
or two of a system, it creates a very unwanted effect.  Relaying out the score 
is not an option I want to explore.

So I'm left with maintaining two scores.  You'd think MM would have been on 
this by now.  What, we've had linked parts for 5+ years now?

J D Thomas
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On Jan 2, 2013, at 3:20 PM, Robert Patterson wrote:

 It is possible to make it work, but essentially all the restrictions in
 Fin07-11 apply to Fin12 as well. To force the staves with cues not to show
 in the score use the Force Hide (Collapse) staff style.
 
 Of course, as in Fin07-11, you still have the problem that special tools
 mods are not unlinkable, which affects most irritatingly ties and grace
 note positioning. Also, clef changes in the cues require some ingenuity.
 But if you can live with the special tools restriction, the clefs can be
 surmounted.
 
 On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 4:32 PM, J D Thomas j...@thomastudios.com wrote:
 
 OK.  This is the first score I've done now in Finale Mac 2012 where I have
 had to use cues, and I've added cue notes to the score and laid out all the
 parts.  Back in the old days of 2007 and probably 2011, I have always had
 to maintain two separate copies of the score, one for the final score and
 one for the parts since the cue notes in layers 3 and 4 annihilate my score
 layout.
 
 Is this still the preferred methodology for Finale 2012, or is there some
 settings and / or plugins that create a viable workaround?
 
 
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Re: [Finale] Score with cue notes

[J D Thomas]

Excellent Darcy (and Robert).  This does make the situation far more viable for 
my situation here.

Thank you!

J D Thomas
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On Jan 3, 2013, at 9:45 AM, Darcy James Argue wrote:

 Hi JD,
 
 When a cue is only on a partial system, you want to apply Blank Notation With 
 Rests (applied to the score only). This should give you what you want.
 
 My process is to first hide all cues in the score using Blank Notation With 
 Rests, then additionally collapse if/where needed.
 
 Cheers,
 
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 On Jan 3, 2013, at 12:34 PM, J D Thomas j...@thomastudios.com wrote:
 
 Thanks Robert.  That Collapse style is what I was trying to recall since 
 I've never used it before.  Alas, none of the combinations I tried in the 
 score really worked to my satisfaction.  Hide and collapse in score only was 
 close, but when I have situations where a cue is in a measure that's the 
 first measure or two of a system, it creates a very unwanted effect.  
 Relaying out the score is not an option I want to explore.
 
 So I'm left with maintaining two scores.  You'd think MM would have been on 
 this by now.  What, we've had linked parts for 5+ years now?
 
 J D Thomas
 ThomaStudios
 
 
 
 On Jan 2, 2013, at 3:20 PM, Robert Patterson wrote:
 
 It is possible to make it work, but essentially all the restrictions in
 Fin07-11 apply to Fin12 as well. To force the staves with cues not to show
 in the score use the Force Hide (Collapse) staff style.
 
 Of course, as in Fin07-11, you still have the problem that special tools
 mods are not unlinkable, which affects most irritatingly ties and grace
 note positioning. Also, clef changes in the cues require some ingenuity.
 But if you can live with the special tools restriction, the clefs can be
 surmounted.
 
 On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 4:32 PM, J D Thomas j...@thomastudios.com wrote:
 
 OK.  This is the first score I've done now in Finale Mac 2012 where I have
 had to use cues, and I've added cue notes to the score and laid out all the
 parts.  Back in the old days of 2007 and probably 2011, I have always had
 to maintain two separate copies of the score, one for the final score and
 one for the parts since the cue notes in layers 3 and 4 annihilate my score
 layout.
 
 Is this still the preferred methodology for Finale 2012, or is there some
 settings and / or plugins that create a viable workaround?
 
 
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[Finale] Score with cue notes

[J D Thomas]

OK.  This is the first score I've done now in Finale Mac 2012 where I have had 
to use cues, and I've added cue notes to the score and laid out all the parts.  
Back in the old days of 2007 and probably 2011, I have always had to maintain 
two separate copies of the score, one for the final score and one for the parts 
since the cue notes in layers 3 and 4 annihilate my score layout.

Is this still the preferred methodology for Finale 2012, or is there some 
settings and / or plugins that create a viable workaround?


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Re: [Finale] Playback bug

[J D Thomas]

I have had this happen many, many times.  It's directly related to the stuck 
key metatool bug that has been long, long-standing.  A complete Mac restart is 
the one sure way to relieve it, but if you do use metatools frequently, you 
will most likely encounter it again.  I sure do.

Short of a reboot, try running your fingers across the QWERTY keys several 
times and, if you have one, the numeric keypad.  This is a trick I learned here 
on this board, and it has worked for me about 90% of the time.

Let us know how you make out.

J D Thomas
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On Dec 29, 2012, at 9:54 AM, Haroldo Mauro wrote:

 How do I get rid of this playback bug:
 
 In the Playback window I click PLAY = Finale plays the score
 I click STOP = Finale stops playing
 On the tool pallete I choose the Speedy Entry or ANY other tool then click 
 the score = Finale resumes playback!!
 
 No matter how many times I click back and forth, Finale resumes playback 
 whenever I click the score.
 
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Re: [Finale] stuck metatool key -- another clue?

[J D Thomas]

Dennis,

This for me has been a long-standing issue.  MacPro 10.6.8.  I also have a 
MacBook Pro but I do so little editing on that machine I've never come across 
the problem.

Someone suggested here that the next time it happens, run your fingers over the 
QWERTY keyboard.  I have done that now many, many times, adding in the numeric 
keypad as well, and every single time it has alleviated the problem; at least 
until the next occurrence.   In a long Finale session of several hours, I can 
encounter the problem 4-5 times and this has worked every time for me.  Try it 
and see.

J D Thomas
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On Dec 7, 2012, at 8:14 AM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote:

 I have a similar problem. I have to totally reboot to get rid of it. No matter
 what metatool I choose (under a given tool) the same item is placed. This has
 happened on two different machines (both WinXPSP3 Fin2011) so it's not likely
 related to stuck hardware here.
 
 Dennis
 
 
 On Fri, December 7, 2012 10:39 am, SN jef chippewa wrote:
 
 i have been having the problem regularly recently, but for the past
 day or so i haven't come across it.  i just had it again, immediately
 after accessing a menu using the mouse (trackpad).  it wasn't a
 finale menu, but wonder if it could be related.  i didn't actually
 call up anything, was just checking the battery level of the trackpad
 in the bluetooth menu.
 
 maybe has nothing to do wth it, but am getting desperate... and
 hoping i have caught all the extra expressions that have been
 assigned because of this problem.
 
 i notice there are two items in the undo menu when it happens as
 well, so i have to undo twice to remove the bugger:
 
 1) edit expression metatool
 2) expression assign
 
 a long shot, but the b key got stuck when i accessed the bluetooth
 menu.  i am getting lots of b, n, t, 1 and 2 getting stuck.  maybe
 t gets stuck when accessing the tools (or TGTools) menu? ...
 
 well, of course i can't immediately reproduce it, so by support
 standards, the problem doesn't exist.  but maybe this rings a bell
 for anyone who has the problem...?
 
 ah, maybe a tally of who gets it on what systems?
 
 me = macbook pro + trackpad, 10.6.7
 
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Re: [Finale] Large-format duplex laser printer rec?

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Hi Darcy,

I have an HP5100 with a duplexer and it's still going strong after 9 years.  
Like Chuck, the duplexer crapped out for me after 6 years, and I was able to 
get a new replacement from eBay for a lot less than from HP.  And that is still 
going fine at this point.  This is my 3rd HP printer over 20+ years and it's 
basically a tank.  

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On Dec 2, 2012, at 2:22 PM, Chuck Israels wrote:

 Hi Darcy,
 
 My HP 5000 has lasted many years - more than 20.  But the duplexer failed 
 early on and then became impractical to repair. I don't know how different 
 the 5100 is. 
 
 Chuck
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Dec 2, 2012, at 12:41 PM, Darcy James Argue djar...@earthlink.net wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 I think my much-hated Ricoh 2610 is finally on its last legs. Any 
 recommendations for a replacement? Must be large-format monochrome laser 
 with duplex unit. Considering a used HP 5100 but I'm somewhat wary of the 
 uncertainty of used models, any tips?
 
 Cheers,
 
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Re: [Finale] stuck metatool key - found a clue

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Steve,

Have you tried the solution jef came up with where you run your fingers over 
all the keys a few times?  This has been working for me and, altho the whole 
situation is still a pisser, this does avoid a restart, which I've always found 
a major PITA.

FWIW, it happens to me several times during long editing sessions and this 
trick always keeps me going.

J D Thomas
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On Oct 5, 2012, at 9:47 AM, Fiskum, Steve wrote:

 In my investigation into this issue and asking other engravers it seems
 that everyone has different keys that stick more than others. For me the
 number 1 is my main sticking metatool key which is a pain since I really
 have to pay attention to not assign a dynamic where one shouldn't be. I
 also have the c and i keys that stick pretty often but not as much as 1. I
 have many different machines that I work on and I work with many different
 templates created from different composers/arrangers/publishers and the
 same keys get stuck no matter where the file comes from so it does not
 seem to be template or file specific. It appears to somehow be user
 driven. Why I would see the same stuck keys on different machines is just
 bizarre to me when I know other people that have the t key as their main
 stuck key which rarely, if ever sticks on any of my machines.
 
 I've explored changing all of my metatools to different ones in my files
 to see if the sticking bug would move to a different main key but no
 change. The number 1 was still my main key.
 
 A while ago I looked into your question of certain menu items being
 highlighted before the sticking occurs and I was able to rule that out.
 For example, while being in the expression tool I placed forte marks using
 meta-tool 5. As I am holding down the 5 key I click on all the staves that
 need the forte marking. After 4 times of clicking fortes into the score,
 the next time I click, my main stuck key's item, what I have assigned to
 meta-tool 1, shows up even thought my finger has not released the 5. This
 is just an example, it can happen after one click it can happen after 8
 clicks. There really is no pattern.
 
 The stuck key issue occurs about every 15 minutes at a minimum and every
 30 seconds max. for me. Unfortunately I'm used to this workflow since I
 have no choice but to work with it. It's a terrible way to work because I
 cannot completely concentrate on what I'm doing because I'm always worried
 about what I just accidentally clicked into the score.
 
 Steve
 
 
 
 On 10/5/12 10:48 AM, SN jef chippewa shirl...@newmusicnotation.com
 wrote:
 
 
 yeah, well that is what i have been saying since the start.  i am
 trying to find out if anyone is experiencing, like me, that certain
 KEYS on the computer keyboard tend to stick more than others.  since
 several people have experienced this, it is unlikely a mechanical
 fault, but i wonder if it relates to some menu item used just before
 the sticking happens
 
 If you dig further into the situation you will find that the stuck
 key is related to ALL metatools.
 
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Re: [Finale] stuck metatool key - found a clue

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I've been dealing head-on with this metatool bug since Finale 2005, and 
finally, just recently, I got MM to admit they were aware of the bug.  Alas, no 
solution is imminent.  Restarting the Mac was the ONLY solution that actually 
did work and for me, in an average 3-5 hour editing session, I will encounter 
it several times.  I do use a ton of metatools when I work in Finale.  

However, one user on the Finale user board suggested that when it happens again 
to run your fingers across the keyboard and numeric keypad a few times.  I 
thought is was flaky but IT WORKS.  And in my experience over the past couple 
months, it works just about every time.  Try it.

J D Thomas
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On Oct 4, 2012, at 7:59 AM, Andrew Levin wrote:

 Jeff wrote:
 
 i discovered i can create the stuck metatool key problem in a very
 specific instance.
 
 after running an iKey script (cmd-g for Go to page), i get the
 problem with whatever metatool is assigned to g (articulation,
 expression).
 
 i haven't been able to reproduce it for any other key, but am
 starting to notice that t and a are also common victims of this
 bug.  has anyone else noticed any consistency in the keys that get
 stuck?  i'm now convinced it is not a random thing and am wondering
 if maybe there is something in a particular menu that is causing this
 problem.
 
 I don't know if this will help. I don't even use iKey. But I periodically get 
 stuck metatools, across many metatools. And no matter what key I strike, 
 always the same articulation, or expression, or whatever, displays.
 
 Quitting Finale doesn't work. Even restarting the computer won't work (I'm on 
 Mac). I find only shutting down the computer and starting up again fixes it.
 
 This bug bit me again last week, though it had shied away for so long. This 
 is my (not good) solution.
 
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Re: [Finale] stuck metatool key - found a clue

[J D Thomas]

Aha, it was you jef.  And I'm here to tell you it does work.

Good call.

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On Oct 4, 2012, at 8:25 AM, SN jef chippewa wrote:

 
 hey andrew.  i don't think i have ever had the thing reappear after 
 quitting finale!  that definitely sux.
 
 not a real solution, but have you tried my technique of running 
 fingers / hands up and down the keyboard several times? others 
 reported this works.  once you know which one it is you can usually 
 press it several times in a row to unstick it.
 
 next time you notice it, try to remember if there was some command, 
 some editing sequence or something you did right before it.  maybe we 
 can locate the damn thing...
 
 you haven't noticed any consistency in the key(s) that get stuck then?
 
 
 I don't know if this will help. I don't even use iKey. But I 
 periodically get stuck metatools, across many metatools. And no 
 matter what key I strike, always the same articulation, or 
 expression, or whatever, displays.
 
 Quitting Finale doesn't work. Even restarting the computer won't 
 work (I'm on Mac). I find only shutting down the computer and 
 starting up again fixes it.
 
 This bug bit me again last week, though it had shied away for so 
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Re: [Finale] Mountain Lion and Quickeys?

[J D Thomas]

Andrew, 

I've been going thru the exact same malady involving QuicKeys.  The application 
is in trouble and it's currently languishing due to the chief programmer for 
Startly dying last year.  There's direct info on their website.

I'm still on SN but I did find a viable substitute for QK, Keyboard Maestro.  
It's very robust and stable, and it does everything I need it to do even tho it 
doesn't have a couple of QK bells and whistles.  They have a 15 or 30 day trial 
so you can get a feel for it.  The only downside is you will have to 
reconstruct all of your shortcuts.  I winced at that at first, but it made me 
rethink them all, especially the ones I use in Finale; and my old Finale QK's 
were massive in their sheer number.  And that turned out to be beneficial for 
me.

Try it and see if it works for you.

J D Thomas
ThomaStudios
tssri
On Sep 29, 2012, at 11:03 PM, Andrew Levin wrote:

 Hello, everyone,
 
 I'm finally considering moving up to Mac OS 10.8, Mountain Lion. But as I 
 peruse RoaringApps for application compatibility I'm very hesitant to take 
 the plunge. Filemaker 11, SplashID Safe, iWeb, Band-in-a-Box, and Bamboo 
 (Wacom) all note problems, and Appigo's ToDo and JABMenu are questionable. 
 And now I've read that Quickeys is not entirely compatible.
 
 I don't mean to start a platform discussion. For now I'd like to know if 
 anyone using Quickeys with Mountain Lion is having any problems. I'm assuming 
 that Finale 2012c is working just fine with the new OS.
 
 (Argh! I finally found my Quicken replacement, and now this).
 
 Thanks!
 
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Re: [Finale] Category break multimeas rests

[J D Thomas]

Jumping in, if I may.

How about creating the staff list so nothing is checked, kind of a null staff 
list.

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On Sep 28, 2012, at 10:02 AM, Robert Patterson wrote:

 No, jef, I got stumped at this step:
 
 set category to not use staff list but break MM rests.
 
 I don't see any way to change whether a category uses a staff list, once
 the category is created.
 
 On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 10:47 AM, SN jef chippewa 
 shirl...@newmusicnotation.com wrote:
 
 
 robert, did you catch my solution?  it is indeed possible.
 
 want to assign these to arbitrary individual staves and only break
 multimeasure rests in the parts for those staves.
 
 
 on or around 15:04 +0200 9/28/12, SN jef chippewa seems to have said:
 in the positioning tab, uncheck use CATEGORY positioning, check /
 uncheck break MM rests
 
 so actually you can have the expression in any category and
 therefore inherit the font definition and positioning (when it is
 created at least) of the category.  then define the one expression
 you need to break MM rests and youre sett, i think. no?
 
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Re: [Finale] 2nd Quarter 2012 results

[J D Thomas]

Hi Doug,

Chiming in here if I may.  I have used QuicKeys since v1.2 on my first Mac in 
1989, and always found it indispensable especially in Finale.  Currently I am 
still on Snow Leopard and one of the apps that was preventing my from moving to 
Lion was QK.  They are having issues with their head programmer (it's posted on 
their website) and I feel the application is languishing now because of that 
and it made me seek out an alternative.  In the past I did try iKey but it was 
completely unreliable and I trashed it.

Someone on the Finale user board did say he was using the latest version of QK 
in Lion with no issues.  But I felt QK was bogging down my system under SN and 
was concerned about using it under Lion.  Could be a moot point tho.

I am now using Keyboard Maestro and am finding it quite robust and more than 
usable here.  The caveat was that I had to recreate all my Finale shortcuts 
which probably turned out to be a good thing since it made me rethink all of 
them and in some cases they became more efficient.  It is missing some of QK 
niceties but all in all, it's eminently usable.

J D Thomas
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On Aug 22, 2012, at 8:10 AM, Doug Walter wrote:

 Hi Jef,
 
 I notice you're using iKey and I'm curious whether you've ever used QuicKeys. 
 I used to use the latter and always found it a bit clunky, especially for 
 more complicated tasks, so I left it alone for a few years and eventually 
 came back to a newer version and had the same issues.
 
 Currently I'm not using any third party software to automate things in Finale 
 and would love to know if you've found iKey both relatively simple and 
 reliable. After writing this I'll see if there's a demo I can try, but 
 firsthand experience is most welcome. If it matters, I'd be using it in Lion 
 (10.7.4).
 
 Thanks,
 Doug
 
 On Aug 22, 2012, at 2:32 AM, SN jef chippewa wrote:
 
 
 they can be accessed from within the tool, but the tools themselves 
 can also be assigned metatools (ctl-f through ').  since they are per 
 tool, you have 35+ metatools for each of the tools i listed (so 
 something like 280+ in total).  if they were tool-independent, you 
 would only have 35+ TOTAL.
 
 i use iKey extensively for various tasks and task sequences which 
 give you even more metatools and that are generally 
 tool-independent; you can use a variety of key combinations in iKey, 
 for example, i press ctl-opt-n to call up the change expression 
 dalogue, cmd-ctl-t to run TGTools shift accidentals and dismiss the 
 dialogue on a selected region. you can also build dozens of tasks in 
 a single key command to across a variety of tools, essentially 
 building your own plugins, i suppose.
 
 Refresh my memory -- metatools are key combinations that work from 
 any tool in the program?  Or do you have to be in the tool for which 
 the metatool was programmed?
 
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Re: [Finale] [OT] wireless keyboard / numpad w. finale

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Just curious Craig, regarding the LMP numpad you bought.  I had one about a 
year ago and it never, ever really stayed connected via Bluetooth.  Moreover, 
it was a major PITA to pair it.  I would be most curious if you'd apprise us at 
some point on your experience with it.  I got so frustrated at one point I beat 
the sh*t out of it with a hammer.  I felt better then.

J D Thomas
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On Aug 9, 2012, at 9:11 AM, SN jef chippewa wrote:

 
 i recently bought an apple bluetooth keyboard (french canadian), 
 apple trackpad and LMP bluetooth numpad.  i am trying to figure out a 
 few key commands i had with my extended macally keyboard but can't 
 get to work on the new equipment.
 
 is anyone else using these and knows the key combos?
 
 function-cmd-arrowdown/up for page turn works on the laptop but not 
 on the keyboard, for some reason.  the page up/down buttons apply to 
 the visible (on-screen) portion of the current page.
 
 also i hadn't remembered about the home/end buttons i use ALL THE 
 TIME that i no longer have.  before i consider taking them back and 
 finding another solution, are there tricks i just don't know about?
 
 http://www.maclife.com/article/reviews/bluetooth_keypad_wkp1314_review
 
 i do like having a separate trackpad / keyboard and numpad, makes for 
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Re: [Finale] Ties into second endings

[J D Thomas]

Craig,

FWIW, I WAS able to create a 2nd ending tie in Finale 2012 Mac using the 
option-click method from Speed Entry.  I then could use the Special Tools Ties 
tool to flip the tie in either direction.

If you're not able to do this, I suspect file corruption.  Because it DOES work.

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Re: [Finale] Ties into second endings

[J D Thomas]

Actually, I had not known about the option= keystroke until Chuck mentioned it. 
 Haven't had a chance to test it yet.

If the tie is in the wrong direction, can you use the flip option in Special 
Tools to get it right?

J D Thomas
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On Aug 1, 2012, at 11:43 AM, Craig Parmerlee wrote:

 Maybe this is a Mac versus Windows thing, but that doesn't work for me.  
 As I read the doc, it seems to me that this command is supposed to do a 
 FULL tie back to the previous note.  And that is exactly what it does on 
 my system -- ties back to the last note in the first ending, which is 
 wrong of course.  Curiously, when I first enter the command, it displays 
 a half tie, but when I move to another measure, it becomes a full tie 
 page into the first ending.
 
 I tried the tie end option.  That does work better for me, but it 
 still has a problem.  It seems to be arbitrary about whether to put the 
 tie above or below the notehead, and it does not respond to the command 
 to flip the tie -- so I an stuck with one note that has a really 
 stupid-looking tie going the wrong direction.
 
 This is an example of one of those basic functionality things that the 
 Finale people have neglected for years while adding playback features of 
 dubious value.
 
 
 
 On 7/31/2012 12:34 PM, Chuck Israels wrote:
 It usually works for me to enter Opt./= on the first note of the second 
 ending.  That is supposed to put a backwards half tie on the note and 
 usually does.
 
 There have been times (perhaps with older updated files) where that doesn't 
 work, and I have to use a hand slur adjusted to resemble the ties.
 
 Chuck
 
 
 On Jul 31, 2012, at 8:34 AM, Craig Parmerlee wrote:
 
 This is something that has always bugged me.  There are many cases where
 the last note before an ending ties, and the tie goes into the first
 note of BOTH the first and second ending.  In fact, that is the normal
 case of a tie.  In my view, it is invalid to right a tie going into the
 first ending if the tie doesn't also go into the second ending.
 
 The normal way of notating this is to show the right half of the tie
 going into the first note of the second ending.  But Finale doesn't do
 this.  It seems that it should be automatic.  It would seem to be very
 straightforward to say If an ending begins with a note and the measure
 before the ending ended with a tie, then draw the right end of the tie
 going into the ending.
 
 I cannot find any option that does this.  Am I missing something?
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Re: [Finale] Ties into second endings

[J D Thomas]

Using the Speedy Entry tool, option-click on the measure in the 2nd ending 
where you want the tie.  This brings up a rather extensive dialog box with 
many, many checkboxes.  At the bottom there is a checkbox option called Tie 
End.  Check it.  When you go back to your score, you'll see the tie.

I agree Finale should do this automatically.  But this option has been 
available on every version of Finale since v2.0 back in the dark ages (1990s).

HTH

J D Thomas
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On Jul 31, 2012, at 8:34 AM, Craig Parmerlee wrote:

 This is something that has always bugged me.  There are many cases where 
 the last note before an ending ties, and the tie goes into the first 
 note of BOTH the first and second ending.  In fact, that is the normal 
 case of a tie.  In my view, it is invalid to right a tie going into the 
 first ending if the tie doesn't also go into the second ending.
 
 The normal way of notating this is to show the right half of the tie 
 going into the first note of the second ending.  But Finale doesn't do 
 this.  It seems that it should be automatic.  It would seem to be very 
 straightforward to say If an ending begins with a note and the measure 
 before the ending ended with a tie, then draw the right end of the tie 
 going into the ending.
 
 I cannot find any option that does this.  Am I missing something?
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Re: [Finale] Finale and an ongoing problem

[J D Thomas]

When I first read this suggestion I thought it was a bit flakey.  But over the 
past few days, whenever I re-encountered the bug I ran my middle 3 fingers over 
the QWERTY keyboard.  Back in business.  Go figure.

Good call jef.

J D Thomas
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On Jul 18, 2012, at 8:00 AM, SN jef chippewa wrote:

 
 i have had some luck unsticking metatools by running my hands across 
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[Finale] Measure numbers query

[J D Thomas]

Finale Mac 2012b.r1

Besides going thru the Staff Attributes dialog and adjusting select stave 
settings, isn't there one setting somewhere where I can tell Finale to show 
measure numbers on certain staves in an orchestral score?

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[Finale] Finale and an ongoing problem

[J D Thomas]

Here's one for the weird and unexplainable.  Even tech support at MM has no 
answer, so I throw it up for the edification and advice of the collective 
knowledge here.

I've had an ongoing problem with Finale for quite some time.  It happens in 
Finale 2007, 2011, and 2012.  I'm on a Mac 10.6.8 (but I also had it on 10.5.8 
Leopard as well).  MacPro 2 x 2.8GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon.

I am a keyboard fanatic; I really don't like using the mouse unless there is no 
other way.  So I have always made copious use of the built-in metatools in 
Finale, ever since version 2.0 back in the dark ages.  I also have used 
keyboard macro programs but this issue is solely within Finale and involves 
only their metatools.

I will be editing a file and everything will be fine.  I use the numeric keypad 
to execute metatools and I have a system I've developed for every tool and 
every file I work in so that it is easy to remember file to file.

What happens is that all of a sudden Finale stops recognizing the numeric 
keypad for metatools.  I hold down a number, click, and whatever tool I'm in, 
up comes the usual dialog box as if I just double-clicked.  The numbers along 
the QWERTY will work however--sometimes.  I have had numerous experiences 
lately where Finale will get stubborn and NONE of the keys work, including ones 
I've programmed for letter keys.  In fact, if I click in the score with any 
tool, Finale will steadfastly place the last entered element I used for that 
tool.  This happens with Articulations, Clefs, Expressions, you name it.  Every 
tool that utilizes metatools.

Quitting and relaunching the program never helps.  Logging out and back in 
works sometimes.  Restarting seems to work all or most of the time.  But the 
issue keep recurring at some point, even after a restart.  And it's pissing me 
off!

It's not the keyboard because I've had the same problem with 4 different ones, 
wired and wireless.

Doug at tech support finally threw in the towel stating they'd heard nothing 
along these lines from any other user and he tried everything he could think of 
to no avail.

I then considered that it just might be a user account issue, since I've use 
the same user account for the past 3-4 years or so, and it's the same MacPro.  
So I set up a new, virgin user account, started editing away in Finale 2012, 
and bang, this morning it happened again! Just like all the other times.

If anyone has any suggestions, advice, I'm all ears.  The new user account was 
my last stab.

I am at a loss.

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Re: [Finale] TGTOOLS in 2012b

[J D Thomas]

I tossed this out a couple weeks back and only heard from Chuck.  Has anyone 
had ANY contact at all with Tobias regarding the status of TGTools?  I 
wholeheartedly agree with everyone here who finds them indispensable to our 
work flow, and I would be more than happy to pay an upgrade fee to keep them 
running smoothly.

Or, MakeMusic, buy out Tobias and keep these developed.

J D Thomas
ThomaStudios

On Jul 4, 2012, at 12:43 PM, Aaron Sherber wrote:

 For the benefit of the MM employees on this list, I have to say that I 
 completely agree. TGTools is an absolutely essential part of my 
 workflow, in ways large and small.
 
 Aaron.
 
 On 7/4/2012 2:35 PM, Henry Howey wrote:
 I'm noticing that several of the tools are now inoperable.
 
 MakeMusic MUST acquire and maintain TGTOOLS. I'm sure Garritan and MusicXML 
 were not cheap. TGTOOLS would be much less.
 
 Henry Howey
 
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[Finale] Finale 2012 questions

[J D Thomas]

Hey all,

Has anyone had any contact with Tobias about TGTools and whether he intends to 
continue their development?  I emailed him a couple weeks ago and heard nothing 
back.

I'm working on a file in Mac 2012 and Cross-Staff simply won't work.  I hate 
the idea of having to kludge around with Note Mover, Reverse Stems and all the 
rest of that crap.  TGTools was so elegant, but it won't work either from the 
dialog or the usual keyboard shortcut, and Finale seems to only show the old 
multi-step method.  And I have a boatload of these to do.

Thanks.

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Re: [Finale] Finale 2012 questions

[J D Thomas]

Update:  I did get TGTools to cross-staff.  I was using the wrong keyboard 
shortcut.  Doh!!

But my overall concern about the future of TGT still lingers.  I for one would 
be more than willing to pay for an upgrade.

J D Thomas
ThomaStudios

On Jun 22, 2012, at 12:53 PM, J D Thomas wrote:

 Hey all,
 
 Has anyone had any contact with Tobias about TGTools and whether he intends 
 to continue their development?  I emailed him a couple weeks ago and heard 
 nothing back.
 
 I'm working on a file in Mac 2012 and Cross-Staff simply won't work.  I hate 
 the idea of having to kludge around with Note Mover, Reverse Stems and all 
 the rest of that crap.  TGTools was so elegant, but it won't work either from 
 the dialog or the usual keyboard shortcut, and Finale seems to only show the 
 old multi-step method.  And I have a boatload of these to do.
 
 Thanks.
 
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Re: [Finale] Restore stems

[J D Thomas]

Try Robert's Mass Copy plugin to remove all note alterations.

J D Thomas
ThomaStudios

On May 18, 2012, at 12:13 PM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote:

 Hi all,
 
 I was working on various staff spacings in an area without stems and not
 watching and I accidentally selected everything and removed all my stems in an
 orchestral piece.
 
 It was many saves ago, and I had already left Finale to do something else.
 WhenI came back to page 1 -- no stems.
 
 TGTools 'remove' took them away, but it has no 'restore' tool. How do I select
 groups of measures to get them back? I can go one measure at a time with the
 special tool for stems, but how can I select blocks of measures?
 
 (I tried doing a Finalescript for the first time. I can get the measure to go
 into the custom stem tool, but can't get it to select the checkboxes.)
 
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Re: [Finale] How do I insert 2 beats (part of a measure)?

[J D Thomas]

How about adding a 2/4 measure where you want it. Then before adding any notes, 
change the measure to whatever the surround time signature happens to be.  Then 
add your notes.  Readjust if necessary to get what you're looking for.  That is 
if I understand your situation correctly.

J D Thomas
ThomaStudios

On May 1, 2012, at 9:41 AM, bill sinclair wrote:

 
 
 I don't know how it happened, but 2 beats got left out of the middle of my 
 concert score.
 
 So I want to insert them in again. It's half a measure, so I can't use Add 
 measure stack.
 
 Is there a quick and easy way to do that? 
 
 The select part of a measure option apparently has been moved somewhere 
 where I can't find it.
 
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Re: [Finale] Awkward key signature menu

[J D Thomas]

It also impacts chord symbol entry, especially from a MIDI keyboard.

J D Thomas
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On Apr 18, 2012, at 9:56 AM, Darcy James Argue wrote:

 The choice of a major vs. minor key affects the default enharmonic spelling 
 when entering notes using a MIDI keyboard.
 
 For example, in G minor, you'd generally want F#'s, whereas in Bb major, 
 you'd generally want Gb's.
 
 Cheers,
 
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 They have a really awkward feature that I wish would be fixed - - -
 
 When you request a key signature, it makes a distinction between a
 major key and a minor key with the exact same pattern of sharps and
 flats. For example, they call C minor a DIFFERENT key signature than E
 flat major.
 
 Why even give it a name? There should be only 15 choices 1-7 sharps,
 1-7 flats or NONE. Instead they make you do about 30 choices. you have
 the 12 keys, but there are TWO name for 3 of them.
 
 This creates a lot of confusion. Whether you transpose the notes or not
 should be a option which is checked or unchecked. Instead they call it
 other. There are lots of situations where you want to change the key
 signature, but keep the note pitches the same.
 
 This could be put on a greatly simplified menu. For example:
 1) no of sharps or flats, and
 2) what kind it is: sharp or flat, or non-standard.
 3) three check boxes: No tranpose, enharmonic, or diatonic.
 
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Re: [Finale] Flippin' fermatas!

[J D Thomas]

I agree with David.  I do this all the time over the articulation route.  You 
can adjust them all at once or individually and set up other parameters like 
breaking multimeasure rests, etc.

A very worthwhile alternative option.

J D Thomas
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On Apr 13, 2012, at 11:38 AM, David H. Bailey wrote:

 On 4/13/2012 2:05 PM, Jamin Hoffman wrote:
 I am trying to put fermatas over whole rests in a score (MacFin
 2012a); I insert real whole notes, change them to real whole rests,
 and then put a fermata over the rest.  So far, everything is fine.
 If I try to copy that into the measures below it, however, the
 fermatas flip to underneath the measure.  If I put something into one
 of the other measures in the stack, then the fermatas flip.  If I try
 to edit the linked part, the fermatas flip.
 
 Is there a fix for this, or is there something obvious I am missing?
 
 
 How about creating an expression with a fermata in it?  You can then 
 place it over the default whole rests and not mess with real whole 
 rests and the messes they bring.  I just tried it and it works very well 
 with much less fuss.
 
 
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[Finale] Different Problem

[J D Thomas]

OK, this will be different.

I have a client that I've laid out a 400+ measure score for string orchestra.  
When I first started it, I knew there would probably be some quarter-tone 
notation, but I didn't set up a nonstandard key; I opted to do it in C.

Now edits and rewrites are coming back in and there are a some places where 
quarter flats and sharps are needed.  So, as I've done in the past, I set up a 
non-standard key setting using the appropriate symbols the client wants.  So 
far so good.

The problem is now all the original sharps and flats are 1/4 tone low thruout 
the score.  The only way I've been able to fix them is one at a time; tedious 
to say the least.

Does anyone have a suggestion as to how I may be able to fix this?  Normal 
transposition routes are based on 1/2 steps, so that doesn't work.

Thanks.

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Re: [Finale] Moving individual staves in a system

[J D Thomas]

A thought along these lines might be to have a user-defined key combo that 
would move items (like staves) a larger amount away from what we can now set in 
Document Options.  What I was thinking was similar to what you can do in Adobe 
Illustrator, where if you hold down the Command key, any selected item would 
more 10 pixels, or any other user-defined amount.  I find I use that a ton in 
AI.

I've been wrestling with exactly the same staff issues Robert mentions.  I'm 
going thru an enormous old Finale file in Fin2K11 (over 1800 measures) for a 
client, and this new staff scenario is wreaking have with the old optimization 
feature.

J D Thomas
ThomaStudios

On Mar 22, 2012, at 10:30 AM, Fiskum, Steve wrote:

 Yes! This is the biggest irritation with the new system. The amount of
 concentration and precision needed in just grabbing a staff can be very
 frustrating. It would be better if the system was tweaked just a bit to
 allow a bigger area for us to click-and-drag so that it is not so easy to
 move ALL systems on all pages. You really need to make sure you click on
 the handle and do not accidentally click it twice because you will easily
 move the systems on all pages. This was the first thing that was hard to
 get used to for me especially since I usually work while viewing a single
 page at a time. It would be great if we had a different highlight color so
 we would know which part of the staff tool's staff moving function was ON.
 
 Cheers,
 Steve
 
 
 On 3/22/12 12:07 PM, Robert Patterson rob...@robertgpatterson.com
 wrote:
 
 Something that is turning into a bother is that I keep accidentally
 destroying all my individual vertical staff positioning. I think it may
 because it is so easy to select all systems rather than just one when
 hiding a staff. I'm not sure but it is really annoying.
 
 On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 11:23 AM, Jari Williamsson 
 jari.williams...@mailbox.swipnet.se wrote:
 
 On 2012-03-22 17:13, Aaron Sherber wrote:
 On 3/22/2012 11:36 AM, Robert Patterson wrote:
 One of the things that has changed is how one moves staves
 vertically in
 page view. dragging a staff now drags all staves beneath it. I like
 the
 change, but I am wondering how to only drag that staff without
 dragging
 any
 others.
 
 It's Alt+drag in Windows.
 
 If it's any help to find how to do it on the Mac, it's the same key that
 is used to toggle the behavior of attachment points (while dragging
 expressions for example).
 
 
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Re: [Finale] Finale and Illustrator

[J D Thomas]

What Richard says is true, but you can also export the Finale file as EPS via 
the Graphics Menu.  This will open in Illustrator and everything is editable.

J D Thomas
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On Mar 4, 2012, at 7:11 AM, David Froom wrote:

 Dear collective wisdom,
 
 Does anyone export Finale in such a way that individual elements are editable 
 in Illustrator?  I seem to remember someone telling me that this is possible. 
  (EPS? compiling PS?) I have a student who is interested in doing this.  He 
 is a double major (Art) and has good Illustrator skills.
 
 If anyone could point me in the right direction -- or suggest another way 
 (with different graphics programs) to accomplish this in some form, please 
 let me know.
 
 Thank you,
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[Finale] Global spacing question

[J D Thomas]

Hey all,

Finale Mac 2011—

I used to know how to do this, but…

Where is the global setting to adjust the default amount of space between 
accidentals and the initial barline?  IOW, the first notes in any measure that 
have accidentals; the space between the barline and the first accidental.  
Right now Fin2K11 puts too much space for my tastes and it adds up measure to 
measure as I do layout.  I do seem to remember there was a global setting 
somewhere to adjust this.  But I can't seem to find.

Or, was I just dreaming?

TIA.

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Re: [Finale] Global spacing question

[J D Thomas]

Hi Ryan

Good news and bad news.  What you suggested wasn't it.  Changing that setting 
did nothing to my score.  But the ensuing lookup in the manual did locate the 
right setting:  Document Options  Notes and Rests  Spacing Before Music - 
that did it.

Thanks for pointing me in the right direction.

J D Thomas
ThomaStudios


On Feb 28, 2012, at 2:20 PM, Ryan wrote:

 Document Options  Accidentals  Adjustment at Start of Measure:
 
 Perhaps that's what you're looking for?
 
 On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 12:49 PM, J D Thomas j...@thomastudios.com wrote:
 
 Hey all,
 
 Finale Mac 2011—
 
 I used to know how to do this, but…
 
 Where is the global setting to adjust the default amount of space between
 accidentals and the initial barline?  IOW, the first notes in any measure
 that have accidentals; the space between the barline and the first
 accidental.  Right now Fin2K11 puts too much space for my tastes and it
 adds up measure to measure as I do layout.  I do seem to remember there was
 a global setting somewhere to adjust this.  But I can't seem to find.
 
 Or, was I just dreaming?
 
 TIA.
 
 J D Thomas
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Re: [Finale] Staff Groups (Fin11+)

[J D Thomas]

Jari,

Your site says this plugin is for Finale 2012 and later.  Is this info correct?

J D Thomas
ThomaStudios

On Feb 15, 2012, at 12:30 PM, Jari Williamsson wrote:

 On 2012-02-15 18:16, Robert Patterson wrote:
 Great. I don't see said plugin. Is it one of yours, or does it come with
 Finale?
 
 JW Split Groups, available on the tips site. (Btw, it was not as 
 trivial as I first thought it was to write, since Finale now do some 
 hidden stuff to keep the number of groups at a minimum at all times. 
 That's one reason why the hidden text is added.)
 
 
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Re: [Finale] {Spam} Re: Shape Designer quandry

[J D Thomas]

Thank you John.

J D Thomas
ThomaStudios

On Feb 10, 2012, at 6:13 PM, John Blane wrote:

 Select Font is available in the Shape Designer menu, but not the Text Menu.
 
 On Feb 10, 2012, at 6:01 PM, J D Thomas wrote:
 
 Hey all,
 
 I'm coming from Finale Mac 2007 to 2011 and I cannot get any access to the 
 font menu when in Shape Designer.  It's always greyed out.  I used to be 
 able to, but in 2011, no go.
 
 Did MM remove this for 2011, or am I just missing something?
 
 Thanks.
 
 J D Thomas
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[Finale] Shape Designer quandry

[J D Thomas]

Hey all,

I'm coming from Finale Mac 2007 to 2011 and I cannot get any access to the font 
menu when in Shape Designer.  It's always greyed out.  I used to be able to, 
but in 2011, no go.

Did MM remove this for 2011, or am I just missing something?

Thanks.

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Re: [Finale] Dominant 7 plus 13

[J D Thomas]

Is the chord supported by another tension note, like a 9th or b9?  E13 for the 
first case, E13b9 if the 2nd.  If not, is the 13th, C#, a predominant note or 
just a passing note?

J D Thomas
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On Oct 28, 2011, at 9:42 AM, Robert Patterson wrote:

 Another question for the accumulated jazz wizdom of this list. I need to
 indicate an E dominant 7 chord with the 6th (or if you prefer, 13th) added.
 None of the suffixes in the default list jumps out me as the right one. What
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Re: [Finale] Dominant 7 plus 13

[J D Thomas]

There are some chord symbols that try to approach a specific voicing scenario.  
Like Am7/D or C/D to avoid the conflict between the 3rd and the 11th.  And most 
of the time they work pretty well.  But overall, chord symbols are pretty 
inexact, leaving it up to the player to decide how to voice it.  Obviously that 
can result in a mixed bag of results depending on the player.

I've tried it both ways over the years, depending on how anal my overall intent 
was.  If I really needed something specific, I spelled it out somehow, either 
via a specific albeit odd chord symbol, or I just wrote the voicings out.  But 
the system can still allow a large margin of dissatisfaction at times, 
especially if you don't know the ability of the players involved.

J D Thomas
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On Dec 30, 2011, at 10:02 AM, TXSTNR POP account wrote:

 I just worked on a chart in which the composer (a guitar player) wrote 
 E7(add2).  I'd call that E9, but the guitar player said that he would put the 
 9th in a top voice in my case, and an inner voice in his.  I argued that the 
 chord symbol is not meant to indicate voicings, only the notes to be played.  
 In your case I suppose you could write E7(add6) if you really don't want the 
 9th to sound, but if that's not an issue, just write E13 and be done with it.
 
 On Oct 28, 2011, at 9:45 AM, J D Thomas wrote:
 
 Is the chord supported by another tension note, like a 9th or b9?  E13 for 
 the first case, E13b9 if the 2nd.  If not, is the 13th, C#, a predominant 
 note or just a passing note?
 
 J D Thomas
 ThomaStudios
 
 On Oct 28, 2011, at 9:42 AM, Robert Patterson wrote:
 
 Another question for the accumulated jazz wizdom of this list. I need to
 indicate an E dominant 7 chord with the 6th (or if you prefer, 13th) added.
 None of the suffixes in the default list jumps out me as the right one. What
 should it be?
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Re: [Finale] Dominant 7 plus 13

[J D Thomas]

You nudged some areas in my gray matter Chuck.  I'd forgotten how many times 
I've written something simple like a chord symbol and the player made it better 
than I expected.  Grant Geismann used to that all the time during many 
recording sessions back in the 90s.  He really spoiled us at times because he 
always brought something unexpected and creative to the process.

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On Dec 30, 2011, at 11:07 AM, Chuck Israels wrote:

 You want a specific voicing - it's most efficient to write it out in 
 notation, there's less to decode.  Otherwise, write a chord symbol and leave 
 it up to the player.  Sometimes they do things better than you imagined 
 possible, sometimes not.  That's the risk - and the thrill.  And I believe 
 it's always been that way.  Notation is never complete.
 
 And I disagree with the suggestion that add 2 has voicing implications.  In 
 my experience, it simply means a major triad with an added 2nd degree 
 somewhere in the voicing - anywhere except in the bass.
 
 Chuck
 
 On Dec 30, 2011, at 10:39 AM, J D Thomas wrote:
 
 There are some chord symbols that try to approach a specific voicing 
 scenario.  Like Am7/D or C/D to avoid the conflict between the 3rd and the 
 11th.  And most of the time they work pretty well.  But overall, chord 
 symbols are pretty inexact, leaving it up to the player to decide how to 
 voice it.  Obviously that can result in a mixed bag of results depending on 
 the player.
 
 I've tried it both ways over the years, depending on how anal my overall 
 intent was.  If I really needed something specific, I spelled it out 
 somehow, either via a specific albeit odd chord symbol, or I just wrote the 
 voicings out.  But the system can still allow a large margin of 
 dissatisfaction at times, especially if you don't know the ability of the 
 players involved.
 
 J D Thomas
 ThomaStudios
 
 On Dec 30, 2011, at 10:02 AM, TXSTNR POP account wrote:
 
 I just worked on a chart in which the composer (a guitar player) wrote 
 E7(add2).  I'd call that E9, but the guitar player said that he would put 
 the 9th in a top voice in my case, and an inner voice in his.  I argued 
 that the chord symbol is not meant to indicate voicings, only the notes to 
 be played.  In your case I suppose you could write E7(add6) if you really 
 don't want the 9th to sound, but if that's not an issue, just write E13 and 
 be done with it.
 
 On Oct 28, 2011, at 9:45 AM, J D Thomas wrote:
 
 Is the chord supported by another tension note, like a 9th or b9?  E13 for 
 the first case, E13b9 if the 2nd.  If not, is the 13th, C#, a predominant 
 note or just a passing note?
 
 J D Thomas
 ThomaStudios
 
 On Oct 28, 2011, at 9:42 AM, Robert Patterson wrote:
 
 Another question for the accumulated jazz wizdom of this list. I need to
 indicate an E dominant 7 chord with the 6th (or if you prefer, 13th) 
 added.
 None of the suffixes in the default list jumps out me as the right one. 
 What
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Re: [Finale] Hiding clefs in score view

[J D Thomas]

Staff Style?

J D Thomas
ThomaStudios

On Sep 23, 2011, at 2:33 PM, Jan Angermüller wrote:

 Is there a way of hiding extra clefs in a measure
 only in score view ? The clefs are used for
 cue notes on a cue note layer which should only
 be shown in part view. The cue notes on the layer
 can be hidden in the document options, but I didn't
 find a way to hide the clefs.
 
 Thanks a lot for your help,
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[Finale] Finale locks up

[J D Thomas]

Finale issue:

An annoying situation has been recurring with Finale 2007 as well as 2011 for 
me for the past several months, maybe longer.  After launching the application 
and working for a while, the application becomes completely nonresponsive to 
any further edit, tool changes, everything.  The only thing that does occur is 
clicking anywhere on the page starts playback.  Clicking a 2nd time stops 
playback.  Quitting and relaunching does nothing.  Logging in and out also 
accomplishes zip.  The only remedy is a complete restart, which is past 
becoming annoying.

This is definitely not file-specific, and it occurred under OS X 10.5 as well 
as SN 10.6.  And as I said, both versions of Finale, 2007  2011.  Same exact 
problem.  There also does not appear to be any time pattern.  Sometimes it 
happens after a few minutes of work, and other times it could be an hour or 
more.

Any ideas?

I'm on a Mac Pro, OS X 10.6.4, 8GB RAM.

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Re: [Finale] Finale Mac 2011 question

[J D Thomas]

Back in Finale 2007, the last version I've used before 2011, it was, and I 
believe always has been, option-shift click to auto-paste in a selection at the 
point of cursor click.  I know this since I've had this programmed into a 
Kensington mouse button for as long as I can recall.  Finale v2.01, circa 1990. 
 Anyway, now with 2011, option-shift-click brings up the filter options window 
as you pointed out.  OK, as now designed. Option-click does work, but it adds 
the selection at the same point rhythmically.  Not what I expected, but I did 
finally find this reference in the manual, and again, it's as designed 
currently.  (Does any other Finale Mac user long for the older PDF manuals?  I 
sure do.  But, I digress…)  I also found that one can now hilight and drag to 
specific points in the file, and obviously copy/paste works as expected.  This 
slight change just caught me off guard.

Thanks for everyone's input on this question.

J D  Thomas
ThomaStudios
 
On Jan 27, 2011, at 3:58 PM, Christopher Smith wrote:

 On my Mac it still works that way. Opt-click pastes using the current filter 
 settings, while opt-sh-click leads you to the filter dialogue box first. 
 Maybe you have the filter settings pared down to something that doesn't copy 
 anything. New in recent versions (I think 2007) is that you can always select 
 partial measures without going to the menu first.
 
 If it doesn't work that way on your Mac, try rebooting the computer, then if 
 that doesn't solve it, try trashing preferences (make sure you trash the 
 right ones! It's tricky!) If that doesn't solve it, try reinstalling Finale, 
 then I would resort to tech support.
 
 Christopher
 
 
 On Thu Jan 27, at ThursdayJan 27 2:04 PM, J D Thomas wrote:
 
 In past versions of Finale, at least up thru 2007, one could hilight a 
 measure or partial measure and then option-shift-click to paste it into 
 another part of the file.  This no longer seems to work as expected in 
 Finale 2011 and the horrible online manual is no help.  Did MM remove it or 
 change it?
 
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[Finale] Finale Mac 2011 question

[J D Thomas]

In past versions of Finale, at least up thru 2007, one could hilight a measure 
or partial measure and then option-shift-click to paste it into another part of 
the file.  This no longer seems to work as expected in Finale 2011 and the 
horrible online manual is no help.  Did MM remove it or change it?

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Re: [Finale] TGTools and 2011

[J D Thomas]

One caveat, at least on Macs:  some of the tools in TGTools crash Finale 2011 - 
big time.  Like Remove Word Extensions, among others I can't recall right now.  
Tobias told me an update was still months away.  Kind of takes the value out of 
TGTools to some extent.  I'm disappointed.

J D  Thomas
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 Il 26/01/2011 16.47, dc ha scritto:
 Chuck Israels écrit:
 Yes, it works.
 
 Thanks, Chuck. Good news!
 
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Re: [Finale] TGTools and 2011

[J D Thomas]

One caveat, at least on Macs:  some of the tools in TGTools crash Finale 2011 - 
big time.  Like Remove Word Extensions, among others I can't recall right now.  
Tobias told me an update was still months away.  Kind of takes the value out of 
TGTools to some extent.  I'm disappointed.

J D  Thomas
ThomaStudios

 Il 26/01/2011 16.47, dc ha scritto:
 Chuck Israels écrit:
 Yes, it works.
 
 Thanks, Chuck. Good news!
 
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Re: [Finale] TGTools and 2011

[J D Thomas]

I do agree Robert. But if the plug-in set constantly crashes the application, 
it's not much good in its current state.  And upgrades have been slow in 
coming.  I for one would be more than willing to pay for an upgrade to this 
set.  Your's also.  They are that valuable to my work flow.  But only if they 
work.  Otherwise, their value is diminished.

As for the last 3-4 Finale upgrades, they've been most underwhelming.

J D  Thomas
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On Jan 26, 2011, at 2:24 PM, Robert Patterson wrote:

 Hmm. I could easily turn that on its head and say that it kind of takes the
 value out of the Fin11 upgrade. It really depends which you value more. This
 is not remotely a hard question for me. TGTools is worth more to me than the
 last 3 or 4 upgrades combined.
 
 On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 2:49 PM, J D Thomas j...@thomastudios.com wrote:
 
 One caveat, at least on Macs:  some of the tools in TGTools crash Finale
 2011 - big time.  Like Remove Word Extensions, among others I can't recall
 right now.  Tobias told me an update was still months away.  Kind of takes
 the value out of TGTools to some extent.  I'm disappointed.
 
 J D  Thomas
 ThomaStudios
 
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 Thanks, Chuck. Good news!
 
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Re: [Finale] TGTools and 2011

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Primarily due to the fact that my recent, required Snow Leopard upgrade has 
rendered Finale 2007 inoperative on my Mac Pro.  It steadfastly won't allow me 
to register it, reinstall, or anything;  read:  run.  And the folks at MM have 
been absolutely no help.  I have a drive that I can still boot from Leopard, 
but that's becoming a royal pain, since the bulk of my work is now being done 
more productively in SN.


On Jan 26, 2011, at 5:06 PM, Robert Patterson wrote:
 
 So why use them? I still use Fin08, fwiw. TGTools works just fine with it.
 No crashes.

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Re: [Finale] TAN: Mac Finder question

[J D Thomas]

Jari,

You can toggle the Show/Find Path via the View menu in the Finder.

J D  Thomas
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On Jan 17, 2011, at 9:13 AM, Darcy James Argue wrote:

 Hi Jari,
 
 I should also mention that you can ctrl-click on the Finder window toolbar to 
 customize it. There is a Path button available, which I don't think is not 
 part of the default toolbar for some reason, but is obviously extremely 
 helpful.
 
 Cheers,
 
 - DJA
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 On 17 Jan 2011, at 12:06 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote:
 
 Hi Jari,
 
 1) I think you just need to find an organizational method that works best 
 for you. I find that the Search function in Open/Save dialogs is very fast, 
 so I often use that rather than hunt around for the necessary folder. I also 
 often click to sort by Date Modified in Open/Save to put the most recent 
 stuff up top. The Apple menu also has Recent Items (Applications, 
 Documents, and Servers) which I find very helpful.
 
 2) Yes -- cmd-up arrow. Check out the Go menu in the Finder, there are lots 
 of navigation shortcuts!
 
 3) The old OS 9 WindowShade function was replaced with Minimize to Dock 
 (shortcut: cmd-M).
 
 Cheers,
 
 - DJA
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 On 17 Jan 2011, at 11:34 AM, Jari Williamsson wrote:
 
 3 questions:
 
 1. How do I manage many Finder folders in the best way? I quickly end up 
 with too many folders that I can't navigate between too well.
 2. Is there a keyboard shortcut to move to the parent view in a Finder 
 folder window?
 3. In Mac OS9 there was a UI feature to just display the caption bar of the 
 windows. Is there any equivalent on OSX?
 
 Best regards,
 
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Re: [Finale] New plug-in: JW Fermata Checker

[J D Thomas]

I hope you get your new iMac unpacked and up and running soon Jari.  Us Mac 
folks are starting to feel a tad unappreciated here.

J D  Thomas
ThomaStudios

On Jan 6, 2011, at 7:18 AM, Jari Williamsson wrote:

 Hello!
 
 A new (Windows) plug-in is now available, called JW Fermata Checker.
 
 It's a diagnostic tool to verify that all parts have fermatas in the fermata 
 measures. Checks for articulation and expression fermatas in the following 
 fonts: Maestro, Maestro Wide, EngraverFontSet, Jazz, Broadway Copyist, 
 Articulations (by Bill Duncan). For Finale 2009 and above.
 
 Download from the Finale tips site:
 www.finaletips.nu
 
 Downloads section, Plug-ins for Windows subsection.
 
 
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Re: [Finale] De-authorising Finale

[J D Thomas]

You don't say what Finale version you're using, but I had exactly the same 
issue with FinMac 2007 after I upgraded to Snow Leopard.  I called MM and they 
told me they no longer supported v2007, there was nothing they could do about 
it, and would gladly take my order for a 2011 upgrade.  Yeah, right.

Bottom line:  you're probably out of luck unless you upgrade.  Sorry.

J D  Thomas
ThomaStudios

On Dec 30, 2010, at 2:33 AM, David McKay wrote:

 I've purchased a new computer and need to de-authorise finale on the old
 one.
 
 If I simply open the program the normal way, it sends me away with a tick in
 my ear and sends I must run as administrator if I wish to de-authorise.
 
 However, if I attempt to do this by clicking on the icon on the desktop,
 nothing happens.
 
 If I go to the program file in its folder and click Run as administrator
 the program begins to load but hangs.
 
 I think I figured out a solution previously, but I've forgotten what it was!
 
 Any help gratefully appreciated.
 
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Re: [Finale] De-authorising Finale

[J D Thomas]

Finale 2007 will NOT allow the user (me) to authorize, deauthorize, install, or 
even run the POS application under Snow Leopard.  Every time I try to launch 
the program, I get a dialog stating I need to authorize my copy, saving and 
printing are disable until I do so.  Same computer, different hard drive, newer 
OS.  I talked with a woman at MM (don't remember her name) and that was the 
gist of the conversation.

Another stake in the heart of my relationship with MM and Finale.

J D  Thomas
ThomaStudios

On Dec 30, 2010, at 11:10 AM, Darcy James Argue wrote:

 I don't know who you talked to but MakeMusic have always been happy to handle 
 authorization/de-authorization for all versions for me over the phone. 
 Authorization has nothing to do with support for previous versions. It sounds 
 like you were talking to someone who did not understand what you were asking.
 
 Cheers,
 
 - DJA
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 On 30 Dec 2010, at 9:13 AM, J D Thomas wrote:
 
 You don't say what Finale version you're using, but I had exactly the same 
 issue with FinMac 2007 after I upgraded to Snow Leopard.  I called MM and 
 they told me they no longer supported v2007, there was nothing they could do 
 about it, and would gladly take my order for a 2011 upgrade.  Yeah, right.
 
 Bottom line:  you're probably out of luck unless you upgrade.  Sorry.
 
 J D  Thomas
 ThomaStudios
 
 On Dec 30, 2010, at 2:33 AM, David McKay wrote:
 
 I've purchased a new computer and need to de-authorise finale on the old
 one.
 
 If I simply open the program the normal way, it sends me away with a tick in
 my ear and sends I must run as administrator if I wish to de-authorise.
 
 However, if I attempt to do this by clicking on the icon on the desktop,
 nothing happens.
 
 If I go to the program file in its folder and click Run as administrator
 the program begins to load but hangs.
 
 I think I figured out a solution previously, but I've forgotten what it was!
 
 Any help gratefully appreciated.
 
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{Spam} Re: [Finale] New plug-in: JW Rhythm Copy

[J D Thomas]

Jari,

All these plugins lately are great, and I'm sure we'll all glad to see their 
development.  Is there any timeline for Mac versions?

J D  Thomas
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On Jan 27, 2011, at 7:24 AM, Jari Williamsson wrote:

 Hello!
 
 I've created a new plug-in called JW Rhythm Copy. It copies a rhythm pattern 
 from one source region (layer 1) to a destination region (any layers and any 
 number of staves). The pitches are kept in the destination region. If the 
 source contains articulations, these are copied to the destination.
 
 This plug-in is quite a productivity booster IMO and can be used for many 
 different tasks. Download from the Finale Tips Site (Downloads section - 
 plug-ins for Windows) if you need it. For Finale/Windows 2010 and later.
 
 http://www.finaletips.nu/
 
 There's also a PDF manual with some examples there for download. Please take 
 a look at it, it shows some advanced use of the plug-in.
 
 
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Re: {Spam} Re: [Finale] New plug-in: JW Rhythm Copy

[J D Thomas]

Excellent.

J D  Thomas
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On Dec 27, 2010, at 1:58 PM, Jari Williamsson wrote:

 On 2010-12-27 17:36, J D Thomas wrote:
 
 All these plugins lately are great, and I'm sure we'll all glad
 to see their development.  Is there any timeline for Mac versions?
 
 I'm going to create a couple of more Windows plug-ins during the next few 
 days, then I'll unpack my new iMac and try to port them to OSX.
 
 
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[Finale] Finale's GUI ongoing anomaly

[J D Thomas]

Finale has had an annoying GUI quirk as far back as I can remember.  At least 
since 2001, maybe before that.  And it still exists in 2011.

Why is it that whenever you open an existing file, switch to Page View, print, 
and then close the file, Finale asks if you want to save it???  Huh???  Even if 
I've made a modification, save it, then print, it asks if I want to save it up 
closing!?!?!

Is it just that the programmers or designers at Coda, MakeMusic, whatever 
they're called this week, they just don't get it?

Maybe this has been discussed before, but…

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Re: [Finale] Finale's GUI ongoing anomaly

[J D Thomas]

OK.  A built-in kludge that the programmers inserted.  Didn't know that.  
Thanks.  (I've had a QuicKey for years that got around the asinine dialog).

But, it doesn't address my original question:  WHY???

I know of no other Mac application that reacts this way.

J D  Thomas
ThomaStudios

On Dec 23, 2010, at 10:21 AM, Mark McCarron wrote:

 Command D for don't save. 
 
 
 
 Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android
 
 
 From: J D Thomas j...@thomastudios.com; 
 To: finale@shsu.edu; 
 Subject: [Finale] Finale's GUI ongoing anomaly 
 Sent: Thu, Dec 23, 2010 9:33:34 AM 
 
 Finale has had an annoying GUI quirk as far back as I can remember.  At least 
 since 2001, maybe before that.  And it still exists in 2011.
 
 Why is it that whenever you open an existing file, switch to Page View, 
 print, and then close the file, Finale asks if you want to save it???  Huh??? 
  Even if I've made a modification, save it, then print, it asks if I want to 
 save it up closing!?!?!
 
 Is it just that the programmers or designers at Coda, MakeMusic, whatever 
 they're called this week, they just don't get it?
 
 Maybe this has been discussed before, but…
 
 J D  Thomas
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Re: [Finale] Sibelius question

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The best way is via XML.  And I have done this hundreds of times over  
the past 2-3 years, using the Dolet 5 plugin and exporting from Finale  
Mac 2007.  It works remarkably well for the vast majority of the music  
elements:  notes, ties, slurs, tuplets, etc.  Even lyrics and the  
overall page layout.  It does bring over all the text elements as  
well, but once their in Sibelius, many of them are simply the wrong  
category, and have to be changed manually.  Not really that big a  
deal.  The plugin does co$t, but I believe the newer versions of  
Finale can export XML better now.  Finale 2007 is pretty rudimentary  
in that regard.


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On Oct 4, 2010, at 8:09 PM, Linda Worsley wrote:

I just been asked a Finale question by a composer friend who uses  
Sibeliius.


Can Finale files be imported into Sibelius?  And/or the other way  
round?


I should know this, after using Finale since Version 0.0, but I don't.

Help!

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