Thank you all so much

[Deirdre Reagan]

Hi All:

I was just let go from my job today, so I'm signing off this list,
since I'm not really an FM person -- just part of this job.

I want to take a minute to thank all of you for helping me out this
past year.  I didn't know FrameMaker AT ALL, and I quickly became the
go to guru based mainly on the fact that any time we had a question
about FM, I was able to go to you guys and get the answer quickly.

So thank you all very much and good luck to you all in this economy.

Sincerely,

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Hi All:

I was just let go from my job today, so I'm signing off this list,
since I'm not really an FM person -- just part of this job.

I want to take a minute to thank all of you for helping me out this
past year.  I didn't know FrameMaker AT ALL, and I quickly became the
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about FM, I was able to go to you guys and get the answer quickly.

So thank you all very much and good luck to you all in this economy.

Sincerely,

Deirdre Reagan

Re: Today's exercise in misunderstanding English

[Deirdre Reagan]

I must have missed an email somewhere.

A woman without her man is nothing.

Oh, wait.

I think I meant:

A woman:  without her, man is nothing.

Happy Friday!


On 4/24/09, Martinek, Carla cmarti...@zebra.com wrote:
 Forsooth, and if thy language dost ne'er evolv'd, henceforth thee
 wouldst speaketh as the ancient Bard. Verily, the words of man must
 changeth and groweth as the seasons change -- looketh upon all the
 wordings which the Bard hast introduc'd into our speech. Woulds't thou
 changeth all that?

 -Carla
 (with apologies, but since yesterday was Talk Like Shakespeare Day in
 Chicago...)



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 [mailto:techwr-l-bounces+cmartinek=zebra@lists.techwr-l.com] On
 Behalf Of Handy, David
 Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 7:02 AM
 To: Gene Kim-Eng; techw...@lists.techwr-l.com
 Subject: RE: Today's exercise in misunderstanding English

 Buck it, Gene - buck it!

 This isn't just a matter of a new word gatecrashing the dictionary. This
 is key grammar.

 The number of people who think that legalized bad grammar is a portent
 of a crumbling civilization is kinda small, but it includes me; and if
 we writers don't jump up and down about this, nobody will. Grammar =
 expressivity. Replace sensible grammar rules with ok, whatever and you
 limit people's ability to say *exactly* what they mean.

 By the way, I'm not jumping on Gene here, or whoever wrote the original
 sentence - gramnmar is tough, time is short, and jargon happens. But
 remember Gandhi - be the lexical change you want to see in the world!

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Today's exercise in misunderstanding English

[Deirdre Reagan]

I must have missed an email somewhere.

A woman without her man is nothing.

Oh, wait.

I think I meant:

A woman:  without her, man is nothing.

Happy Friday!


On 4/24/09, Martinek, Carla  wrote:
> Forsooth, and if thy language dost ne'er evolv'd, henceforth thee
> wouldst speaketh as the ancient Bard. Verily, the words of man must
> changeth and groweth as the seasons change -- looketh upon all the
> wordings which the Bard hast introduc'd into our speech. Woulds't thou
> changeth all that?
>
> -Carla
> (with apologies, but since yesterday was "Talk Like Shakespeare Day" in
> Chicago...)
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: techwr-l-bounces+cmartinek=zebra.com at lists.techwr-l.com
> [mailto:techwr-l-bounces+cmartinek=zebra.com at lists.techwr-l.com] On
> Behalf Of Handy, David
> Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 7:02 AM
> To: Gene Kim-Eng; techwr-l at lists.techwr-l.com
> Subject: RE: Today's exercise in misunderstanding English
>
> Buck it, Gene - buck it!
>
> This isn't just a matter of a new word gatecrashing the dictionary. This
> is key grammar.
>
> The number of people who think that legalized bad grammar is a portent
> of a crumbling civilization is kinda small, but it includes me; and if
> we writers don't jump up and down about this, nobody will. Grammar =
> expressivity. Replace sensible grammar rules with "ok, whatever" and you
> limit people's ability to say *exactly* what they mean.
>
> By the way, I'm not jumping on Gene here, or whoever wrote the original
> sentence - gramnmar is tough, time is short, and jargon happens. But
> remember Gandhi - be the lexical change you want to see in the world!
>
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> be legally privileged.  If you are not the intended recipient, you may not 
> review, use, copy, or distribute this message. If you receive this email in 
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Re: Table leaves a blank page and jumps to start at top of following page

[Deirdre Reagan]

Is the table defined with too many rows for the page?

On 2/10/09, Avraham Makeler amake...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi all,

 I have a table where the whole table jumps to start at the page that follows
 the table's insertion page, so leaving a blank page. So the table's anchor
 point is left at the top of the blank page, and the actual table itself
 starts at the top of the next page.

 What is going wrong?

 Thanks,

 avi
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OT: markups

[Deirdre Reagan]

Hi Framers:

I have an OT questions -- when you mark up someone's document, or when
they mark up your document, how do you determine between must change
markups and strongly recommend markups?

Thanks,

Deirdre
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Re: OT: markups

[Deirdre Reagan]

LOL -- the Happy to Glad rule!  Never heard of it.  That's very funny.

Thanks so much for the comments so far.  A lot of my comments are of
the must change variety, but a lot of my comments are it could be
this way if you mean this, and it could be this way if you mean that
and the author realizes, oh! not clear, and rewrites in a third,
clear way.

This is probably a small issue, but I just wanted to check with you
experts to see how the world at large handles it, before I start
laying down the law here in my corner of the universe.

As usual, you people are funny and full of wisdom.  I love this list.

Deirdre

On 2/5/09, Scott White swh...@alamark.com wrote:
 Aha. The dreaded Happy to Glad question. I think this should read happy.
 No, I think this should read glad.
 In my world now, building industrial catalogs, we use red only and that is
 for MUST changes that if not made will cause the end of man kind as we know
 it or maybe kill someone. In our business there is no such thing as
 strongly recommend, it would be nice or, as we used to call it in the
 newspaper business, happy to glad. If we allowed this we would have every
 pulitzer wannabe putting his or her spin on a 3/4 open end wrench or
 5-gallon safety can.


 Scott White
 Media Production Manager
 Implementation Coordinator
 210-704-8239
 swh...@alamark.com




 On Feb 5, 2009, at 9:39 AM, Deirdre Reagan wrote:

 
  Hi Framers:
 
  I have an OT questions -- when you mark up someone's document, or when
  they mark up your document, how do you determine between must change
  markups and strongly recommend markups?
 
  Thanks,
 
  Deirdre
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OT: markups

[Deirdre Reagan]

Hi Framers:

I have an OT questions -- when you mark up someone's document, or when
they mark up your document, how do you determine between "must change"
markups and "strongly recommend" markups?

Thanks,

Deirdre

OT: markups

[Deirdre Reagan]

LOL -- the "Happy to Glad" rule!  Never heard of it.  That's very funny.

Thanks so much for the comments so far.  A lot of my comments are of
the "must change" variety, but a lot of my comments are "it could be
this way if you mean this, and it could be this way if you mean that"
and the author realizes, "oh! not clear," and rewrites in a third,
clear way.

This is probably a small issue, but I just wanted to check with you
experts to see how the world at large handles it, before I start
laying down the law here in my corner of the universe.

As usual, you people are funny and full of wisdom.  I love this list.

Deirdre

On 2/5/09, Scott White  wrote:
> Aha. The dreaded "Happy to Glad" question. I think this should read "happy."
> No, I think this should read "glad."
> In my world now, building industrial catalogs, we use red only and that is
> for MUST changes that if not made will cause the end of man kind as we know
> it or maybe kill someone. In our business there is no such thing as
> "strongly recommend", "it would be nice" or, as we used to call it in the
> newspaper business, "happy to glad." If we allowed this we would have every
> pulitzer wannabe putting his or her spin on a 3/4" open end wrench or
> 5-gallon safety can.
>
>
> Scott White
> Media Production Manager
> Implementation Coordinator
> 210-704-8239
> swhite at alamark.com
>
>
>
>
> On Feb 5, 2009, at 9:39 AM, Deirdre Reagan wrote:
>
> >
> > Hi Framers:
> >
> > I have an OT questions -- when you mark up someone's document, or when
> > they mark up your document, how do you determine between "must change"
> > markups and "strongly recommend" markups?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Deirdre
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Re: Table won't roll to next page

[Deirdre Reagan]

OK!

Now I think I have a related problem.

I have three pages of figures, followed by a table, followed by three
figures, followed by a table.

The first table scrolls for two pages, jumps the three figures, and
continues scrolling as part of the second table.

Yikes!

I've disconnected all the pages and am reconnecting them, one by one,
but when I connect the first table to the figure, it automatically
connects to the second table.

Any thoughts?

I'm really new at this stuff and I really appreciate your help!

Deirdre
On 1/12/09, Art Campbell art.campb...@gmail.com wrote:
 I'd make a guess that you have another text frame on that page,
 probably one that's not auto-connected to anything.

 Try poking around with the pointer tool, or maybe do a Select All on
 the page. Either one would let you select or unselect objects, or move
 them around so you can see if anything is there but hidden.

 Art

 Art Campbell
   art.campb...@gmail.com
  ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
 Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson
  No disclaimers apply.
   DoD 358



 On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 4:15 PM, Deirdre Reagan
 deirdre.rea...@gmail.com wrote:
  Thanks everyone for your help.  I copied the table to a new blank
  document and the table rolled over just fine, so it appears that my
  problem is with the master pages.
 
  My document starts on page 10004. I have three pages of figures, then
  three pages of table, then three pages of figures and two more pages
  of table.  It's the last page of the last table that is causing me
  grief.
 
  The table in the middle of the document is working just fine. The
  table at the end of the document won't roll to a new page, so 10 or so
  rows are disappearing.
 
  I've doubled checked the master page usage.  For the first table, the
  page are Custom Right, Custom Left, Custom Right.  For the second
  table, the pages are Custom Right, Custom Left.  So as far as the
  table will go, it is using the same master pages as the previous
  table.
 
  When I try to change the pagination from Make Page Count Even to Make
  Page Count Odd, I get this message:
 
  The new column layout in DOCNAME.fm seems to overlap other objects on
  some body pages.
 
  Are you sure you want to do this?
 
  Number of pages affected: 5.  First page: 10008.
 
  (***end of message***)
 
  Page 10008 is the first page of the first table.
 
  Any idea what that might mean?
 
  Deirdre
 
 
 
  On 1/12/09, Fred Ridder docu...@hotmail.com wrote:
  Deirdre Reagan asked:
 
   I'm having a problem with the table on the last page of my file. I
   add 10 more rows, and the rows disapper on the page -- they don't
   force a new page. I've seen this before and I seem to remember it's a
   simple fix, but for the life of me I can't remember what to do!
  
   I've gone into pagination and changed the setting from Make Page
   Count Even to Make Page Count Odd, but that hasn't done anything.
 
  I can think of three possible causes of this kind of behavior right off
  the top of my head:
  1) One or more columns straddled across rows.
  2) Keep With Next Row and/or Keep With Previous Row set
  in TableRow Format
  3) A very large value set for Orphan Rows in the Table Designer.
 
  Does the existing last page use the default master page? Or does it
  use some special master page? There are probably some circumstances
  where that might also play a role.
 
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Re: Table won't roll to next page

[Deirdre Reagan]

Thanks, Art -- that is exactly what I'm in the process of doing now.
I'm under a deadline, and I don't know what the problem is, and I'm
getting a bit flustered, so I just am hacking away at cut and paste.

Thanks,

Deirdre

On 1/13/09, Art Campbell art.campb...@gmail.com wrote:
 Deirdre,

 Do you have a working chapter or a template without flow problems?

 If so, it may be easier to:

 Save the working chapter as a new file.
 Clean all the content out of the working chapter. Crl-a to select all, then
 Ctrl-x to cut.
 Copy in the content from your problem file.

 Put your cursor in the first flow, Ctrl-a then Ctrl-x.
 Swap to the new file, and paste. Ctrl-v.
 Back in the original, go to the next chunk of content and repeat, pasting
 that into the correct position.
 Continue until your original source file is empty.
 In the new file, import variables from your source file and tags and stuff
 if you need them. DON'T import the page layouts.
 DON'T save the now-empty original, so you have a backup copy, just in case.
 This is likely to be easier than trying to fix something if you're not sure
 what's broken or how to repair it.

 Art

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 redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson
  No disclaimers apply.
   DoD 358



 On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 11:47 AM, Deirdre Reagan deirdre.rea...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  OK!
 
  Now I think I have a related problem.
 
  I have three pages of figures, followed by a table, followed by three
  figures, followed by a table.
 
  The first table scrolls for two pages, jumps the three figures, and
  continues scrolling as part of the second table.
 
  Yikes!
 
  I've disconnected all the pages and am reconnecting them, one by one,
  but when I connect the first table to the figure, it automatically
  connects to the second table.
 
  Any thoughts?
 
  I'm really new at this stuff and I really appreciate your help!
 
  Deirdre
 
 
 
  On 1/12/09, Art Campbell art.campb...@gmail.com wrote:
   I'd make a guess that you have another text frame on that page,
   probably one that's not auto-connected to anything.
  
   Try poking around with the pointer tool, or maybe do a Select All on
   the page. Either one would let you select or unselect objects, or move
   them around so you can see if anything is there but hidden.
  
   Art
  
   Art Campbell
 art.campb...@gmail.com
... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
   Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson
No disclaimers
 apply.
 DoD 358
  
  
  
   On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 4:15 PM, Deirdre Reagan
   deirdre.rea...@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks everyone for your help.  I copied the table to a new blank
document and the table rolled over just fine, so it appears that my
problem is with the master pages.
   
My document starts on page 10004. I have three pages of figures, then
three pages of table, then three pages of figures and two more pages
of table.  It's the last page of the last table that is causing me
grief.
   
The table in the middle of the document is working just fine. The
table at the end of the document won't roll to a new page, so 10 or so
rows are disappearing.
   
I've doubled checked the master page usage.  For the first table, the
page are Custom Right, Custom Left, Custom Right.  For the second
table, the pages are Custom Right, Custom Left.  So as far as the
table will go, it is using the same master pages as the previous
table.
   
When I try to change the pagination from Make Page Count Even to Make
Page Count Odd, I get this message:
   
The new column layout in DOCNAME.fm seems to overlap other objects on
some body pages.
   
Are you sure you want to do this?
   
Number of pages affected: 5.  First page: 10008.
   
(***end of message***)
   
Page 10008 is the first page of the first table.
   
Any idea what that might mean?
   
Deirdre
   
   
   
On 1/12/09, Fred Ridder docu...@hotmail.com wrote:
Deirdre Reagan asked:
   
 I'm having a problem with the table on the last page of my file. I
 add 10 more rows, and the rows disapper on the page -- they don't
 force a new page. I've seen this before and I seem to remember it's
 a
 simple fix, but for the life of me I can't remember what to do!

 I've gone into pagination and changed the setting from Make Page
 Count Even to Make Page Count Odd, but that hasn't done
 anything.
   
I can think of three possible causes of this kind of behavior right
 off
the top of my head:
1) One or more columns straddled across rows.
2) Keep With Next Row

Re: Table won't roll to next page

[Deirdre Reagan]

Just to let everyone know how it ended up, I deleted the two tables
and pasted them into a blank document.  Then I went to the end of the
third page, hit return, and pasted in the first table, then did the
same for the second table at the end of the document.

Now the tables roll just fine.

I think the first page of the document was disconnected from the other
pages, and I added a small hidden disconnected text frame on the first
page to provide a Chapter heading for the TOC.  These could be the
culprit, or who knows -- I'm just glad I've got the documents tamed.

I really appreciate all the feedback you guys gave me.  I've been at
this for a year now, and feel like I've moved about an inch forward on
the mile-long learning curve that is FrameMaker.  And I am a pretty
sharp person!  I don't know if it's just because I'm working without
an expert here, or if my brain just doesn't function in FM ways, but I
am so impressed by and thankful for the body of knowledge you all to
bring to bear to my problems.

Thank you, thank you, thank you!

Deirdre



On 1/12/09, Art Campbell art.campb...@gmail.com wrote:
 I'd make a guess that you have another text frame on that page,
 probably one that's not auto-connected to anything.

 Try poking around with the pointer tool, or maybe do a Select All on
 the page. Either one would let you select or unselect objects, or move
 them around so you can see if anything is there but hidden.

 Art

 Art Campbell
   art.campb...@gmail.com
  ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
 Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson
  No disclaimers apply.
   DoD 358



 On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 4:15 PM, Deirdre Reagan
 deirdre.rea...@gmail.com wrote:
  Thanks everyone for your help.  I copied the table to a new blank
  document and the table rolled over just fine, so it appears that my
  problem is with the master pages.
 
  My document starts on page 10004. I have three pages of figures, then
  three pages of table, then three pages of figures and two more pages
  of table.  It's the last page of the last table that is causing me
  grief.
 
  The table in the middle of the document is working just fine. The
  table at the end of the document won't roll to a new page, so 10 or so
  rows are disappearing.
 
  I've doubled checked the master page usage.  For the first table, the
  page are Custom Right, Custom Left, Custom Right.  For the second
  table, the pages are Custom Right, Custom Left.  So as far as the
  table will go, it is using the same master pages as the previous
  table.
 
  When I try to change the pagination from Make Page Count Even to Make
  Page Count Odd, I get this message:
 
  The new column layout in DOCNAME.fm seems to overlap other objects on
  some body pages.
 
  Are you sure you want to do this?
 
  Number of pages affected: 5.  First page: 10008.
 
  (***end of message***)
 
  Page 10008 is the first page of the first table.
 
  Any idea what that might mean?
 
  Deirdre
 
 
 
  On 1/12/09, Fred Ridder docu...@hotmail.com wrote:
  Deirdre Reagan asked:
 
   I'm having a problem with the table on the last page of my file. I
   add 10 more rows, and the rows disapper on the page -- they don't
   force a new page. I've seen this before and I seem to remember it's a
   simple fix, but for the life of me I can't remember what to do!
  
   I've gone into pagination and changed the setting from Make Page
   Count Even to Make Page Count Odd, but that hasn't done anything.
 
  I can think of three possible causes of this kind of behavior right off
  the top of my head:
  1) One or more columns straddled across rows.
  2) Keep With Next Row and/or Keep With Previous Row set
  in TableRow Format
  3) A very large value set for Orphan Rows in the Table Designer.
 
  Does the existing last page use the default master page? Or does it
  use some special master page? There are probably some circumstances
  where that might also play a role.
 
  -FR
 
 
 
 
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Table won't roll to next page

[Deirdre Reagan]

OK!

Now I think I have a related problem.

I have three pages of figures, followed by a table, followed by three
figures, followed by a table.

The first table scrolls for two pages, jumps the three figures, and
continues scrolling as part of the second table.

Yikes!

I've disconnected all the pages and am reconnecting them, one by one,
but when I connect the first table to the figure, it automatically
connects to the second table.

Any thoughts?

I'm really new at this stuff and I really appreciate your help!

Deirdre
On 1/12/09, Art Campbell  wrote:
> I'd make a guess that you have another text frame on that page,
> probably one that's not auto-connected to anything.
>
> Try poking around with the pointer tool, or maybe do a Select All on
> the page. Either one would let you select or unselect objects, or move
> them around so you can see if anything is there but hidden.
>
> Art
>
> Art Campbell
>   art.campbell at gmail.com
>  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
> Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
>  No disclaimers apply.
>   DoD 358
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 4:15 PM, Deirdre Reagan
>  wrote:
> > Thanks everyone for your help.  I copied the table to a new blank
> > document and the table rolled over just fine, so it appears that my
> > problem is with the master pages.
> >
> > My document starts on page 10004. I have three pages of figures, then
> > three pages of table, then three pages of figures and two more pages
> > of table.  It's the last page of the last table that is causing me
> > grief.
> >
> > The table in the middle of the document is working just fine. The
> > table at the end of the document won't roll to a new page, so 10 or so
> > rows are disappearing.
> >
> > I've doubled checked the master page usage.  For the first table, the
> > page are Custom Right, Custom Left, Custom Right.  For the second
> > table, the pages are Custom Right, Custom Left.  So as far as the
> > table will go, it is using the same master pages as the previous
> > table.
> >
> > When I try to change the pagination from Make Page Count Even to Make
> > Page Count Odd, I get this message:
> >
> > The new column layout in DOCNAME.fm seems to overlap other objects on
> > some body pages.
> >
> > Are you sure you want to do this?
> >
> > Number of pages affected: 5.  First page: 10008.
> >
> > (***end of message***)
> >
> > Page 10008 is the first page of the first table.
> >
> > Any idea what that might mean?
> >
> > Deirdre
> >
> >
> >
> > On 1/12/09, Fred Ridder  wrote:
> >> Deirdre Reagan asked:
> >>
> >> > I'm having a problem with the table on the last page of my file. I
> >> > add 10 more rows, and the rows disapper on the page -- they don't
> >> > force a new page. I've seen this before and I seem to remember it's a
> >> > simple fix, but for the life of me I can't remember what to do!
> >> >
> >> > I've gone into pagination and changed the setting from "Make Page
> >> > Count Even" to "Make Page Count Odd," but that hasn't done anything.
> >>
> >> I can think of three possible causes of this kind of behavior right off
> >> the top of my head:
> >> 1) One or more columns straddled across rows.
> >> 2) Keep With Next Row and/or Keep With Previous Row set
> >> in Table>Row Format
> >> 3) A very large value set for Orphan Rows in the Table Designer.
> >>
> >> Does the existing last page use the default master page? Or does it
> >> use some special master page? There are probably some circumstances
> >> where that might also play a role.
> >>
> >> -FR
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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Table won't roll to next page

[Deirdre Reagan]

Thanks, Art -- that is exactly what I'm in the process of doing now.
I'm under a deadline, and I don't know what the problem is, and I'm
getting a bit flustered, so I just am hacking away at cut and paste.

Thanks,

Deirdre

On 1/13/09, Art Campbell  wrote:
> Deirdre,
>
> Do you have a working chapter or a template without flow problems?
>
> If so, it may be easier to:
>
> Save the working chapter as a new file.
> Clean all the content out of the working chapter. Crl-a to select all, then
> Ctrl-x to cut.
> Copy in the content from your problem file.
>
> Put your cursor in the first flow, Ctrl-a then Ctrl-x.
> Swap to the new file, and paste. Ctrl-v.
> Back in the original, go to the next chunk of content and repeat, pasting
> that into the correct position.
> Continue until your original source file is empty.
> In the new file, import variables from your source file and tags and stuff
> if you need them. DON'T import the page layouts.
> DON'T save the now-empty original, so you have a backup copy, just in case.
> This is likely to be easier than trying to fix something if you're not sure
> what's broken or how to repair it.
>
> Art
>
> Art Campbell
>  art.campbell at gmail.com
>  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a
> redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
>  No disclaimers apply.
>       DoD 358
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 11:47 AM, Deirdre Reagan 
> wrote:
> > OK!
> >
> > Now I think I have a related problem.
> >
> > I have three pages of figures, followed by a table, followed by three
> > figures, followed by a table.
> >
> > The first table scrolls for two pages, jumps the three figures, and
> > continues scrolling as part of the second table.
> >
> > Yikes!
> >
> > I've disconnected all the pages and am reconnecting them, one by one,
> > but when I connect the first table to the figure, it automatically
> > connects to the second table.
> >
> > Any thoughts?
> >
> > I'm really new at this stuff and I really appreciate your help!
> >
> > Deirdre
> >
> >
> >
> > On 1/12/09, Art Campbell  wrote:
> > > I'd make a guess that you have another text frame on that page,
> > > probably one that's not auto-connected to anything.
> > >
> > > Try poking around with the pointer tool, or maybe do a Select All on
> > > the page. Either one would let you select or unselect objects, or move
> > > them around so you can see if anything is there but hidden.
> > >
> > > Art
> > >
> > > Art Campbell
> > >   art.campbell at gmail.com
> > >  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
> > > Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
> > >  No disclaimers
> apply.
> > >   DoD 358
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 4:15 PM, Deirdre Reagan
> > >  wrote:
> > > > Thanks everyone for your help.  I copied the table to a new blank
> > > > document and the table rolled over just fine, so it appears that my
> > > > problem is with the master pages.
> > > >
> > > > My document starts on page 10004. I have three pages of figures, then
> > > > three pages of table, then three pages of figures and two more pages
> > > > of table.  It's the last page of the last table that is causing me
> > > > grief.
> > > >
> > > > The table in the middle of the document is working just fine. The
> > > > table at the end of the document won't roll to a new page, so 10 or so
> > > > rows are disappearing.
> > > >
> > > > I've doubled checked the master page usage.  For the first table, the
> > > > page are Custom Right, Custom Left, Custom Right.  For the second
> > > > table, the pages are Custom Right, Custom Left.  So as far as the
> > > > table will go, it is using the same master pages as the previous
> > > > table.
> > > >
> > > > When I try to change the pagination from Make Page Count Even to Make
> > > > Page Count Odd, I get this message:
> > > >
> > > > The new column layout in DOCNAME.fm seems to overlap other objects on
> > > > some body pages.
> > > >
> > > > Are you 

Table won't roll to next page

[Deirdre Reagan]

Just to let everyone know how it ended up, I deleted the two tables
and pasted them into a blank document.  Then I went to the end of the
third page, hit return, and pasted in the first table, then did the
same for the second table at the end of the document.

Now the tables roll just fine.

I think the first page of the document was disconnected from the other
pages, and I added a small hidden disconnected text frame on the first
page to provide a Chapter heading for the TOC.  These could be the
culprit, or who knows -- I'm just glad I've got the documents tamed.

I really appreciate all the feedback you guys gave me.  I've been at
this for a year now, and feel like I've moved about an inch forward on
the mile-long learning curve that is FrameMaker.  And I am a pretty
sharp person!  I don't know if it's just because I'm working without
an expert here, or if my brain just doesn't function in FM ways, but I
am so impressed by and thankful for the body of knowledge you all to
bring to bear to my problems.

Thank you, thank you, thank you!

Deirdre



On 1/12/09, Art Campbell  wrote:
> I'd make a guess that you have another text frame on that page,
> probably one that's not auto-connected to anything.
>
> Try poking around with the pointer tool, or maybe do a Select All on
> the page. Either one would let you select or unselect objects, or move
> them around so you can see if anything is there but hidden.
>
> Art
>
> Art Campbell
>   art.campbell at gmail.com
>  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
> Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
>  No disclaimers apply.
>   DoD 358
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 4:15 PM, Deirdre Reagan
>  wrote:
> > Thanks everyone for your help.  I copied the table to a new blank
> > document and the table rolled over just fine, so it appears that my
> > problem is with the master pages.
> >
> > My document starts on page 10004. I have three pages of figures, then
> > three pages of table, then three pages of figures and two more pages
> > of table.  It's the last page of the last table that is causing me
> > grief.
> >
> > The table in the middle of the document is working just fine. The
> > table at the end of the document won't roll to a new page, so 10 or so
> > rows are disappearing.
> >
> > I've doubled checked the master page usage.  For the first table, the
> > page are Custom Right, Custom Left, Custom Right.  For the second
> > table, the pages are Custom Right, Custom Left.  So as far as the
> > table will go, it is using the same master pages as the previous
> > table.
> >
> > When I try to change the pagination from Make Page Count Even to Make
> > Page Count Odd, I get this message:
> >
> > The new column layout in DOCNAME.fm seems to overlap other objects on
> > some body pages.
> >
> > Are you sure you want to do this?
> >
> > Number of pages affected: 5.  First page: 10008.
> >
> > (***end of message***)
> >
> > Page 10008 is the first page of the first table.
> >
> > Any idea what that might mean?
> >
> > Deirdre
> >
> >
> >
> > On 1/12/09, Fred Ridder  wrote:
> >> Deirdre Reagan asked:
> >>
> >> > I'm having a problem with the table on the last page of my file. I
> >> > add 10 more rows, and the rows disapper on the page -- they don't
> >> > force a new page. I've seen this before and I seem to remember it's a
> >> > simple fix, but for the life of me I can't remember what to do!
> >> >
> >> > I've gone into pagination and changed the setting from "Make Page
> >> > Count Even" to "Make Page Count Odd," but that hasn't done anything.
> >>
> >> I can think of three possible causes of this kind of behavior right off
> >> the top of my head:
> >> 1) One or more columns straddled across rows.
> >> 2) Keep With Next Row and/or Keep With Previous Row set
> >> in Table>Row Format
> >> 3) A very large value set for Orphan Rows in the Table Designer.
> >>
> >> Does the existing last page use the default master page? Or does it
> >> use some special master page? There are probably some circumstances
> >> where that might also play a role.
> >>
> >> -FR
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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Table won't roll to next page

[Deirdre Reagan]

Hi All!

FM 8.0, Windows 3.1.

Just kidding -- Windows XP.

I'm having a problem with the table on the last page of my file.  I
add 10 more rows, and the rows disapper on the page -- they don't
force a new page.  I've seen this before and I seem to remember it's a
simple fix, but for the life of me I can't remember what to do!

I've gone into pagination and changed the setting from Make Page
Count Even to Make Page Count Odd, but that hasn't done anything.

Any thoughts?

Thanks!

Deirdre
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Re: Table won't roll to next page

[Deirdre Reagan]

Thanks everyone for your help.  I copied the table to a new blank
document and the table rolled over just fine, so it appears that my
problem is with the master pages.

My document starts on page 10004. I have three pages of figures, then
three pages of table, then three pages of figures and two more pages
of table.  It's the last page of the last table that is causing me
grief.

The table in the middle of the document is working just fine. The
table at the end of the document won't roll to a new page, so 10 or so
rows are disappearing.

I've doubled checked the master page usage.  For the first table, the
page are Custom Right, Custom Left, Custom Right.  For the second
table, the pages are Custom Right, Custom Left.  So as far as the
table will go, it is using the same master pages as the previous
table.

When I try to change the pagination from Make Page Count Even to Make
Page Count Odd, I get this message:

The new column layout in DOCNAME.fm seems to overlap other objects on
some body pages.

Are you sure you want to do this?

Number of pages affected: 5.  First page: 10008.

(***end of message***)

Page 10008 is the first page of the first table.

Any idea what that might mean?

Deirdre



On 1/12/09, Fred Ridder docu...@hotmail.com wrote:
 Deirdre Reagan asked:

  I'm having a problem with the table on the last page of my file. I
  add 10 more rows, and the rows disapper on the page -- they don't
  force a new page. I've seen this before and I seem to remember it's a
  simple fix, but for the life of me I can't remember what to do!
 
  I've gone into pagination and changed the setting from Make Page
  Count Even to Make Page Count Odd, but that hasn't done anything.

 I can think of three possible causes of this kind of behavior right off
 the top of my head:
 1) One or more columns straddled across rows.
 2) Keep With Next Row and/or Keep With Previous Row set
 in TableRow Format
 3) A very large value set for Orphan Rows in the Table Designer.

 Does the existing last page use the default master page? Or does it
 use some special master page? There are probably some circumstances
 where that might also play a role.

 -FR




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Re: Table won't roll to next page

[Deirdre Reagan]

I fixed it!

I autoconnected the first page to the second page and the table on the
last page miraculously rolled over to a new page.

I don't know why that worked, but I'm glad it did!

Thanks everyone for your help.

Deirdre

On 1/12/09, Stuart Rogers srog...@phoenix-geophysics.com wrote:
 Art Campbell wrote:
  I'd make a guess that you have another text frame on that page,
  probably one that's not auto-connected to anything.
 
  Try poking around with the pointer tool, or maybe do a Select All on
  the page. Either one would let you select or unselect objects, or move
  them around so you can see if anything is there but hidden.
 
 

 I second Art's diagnosis.  Ctrl-click near the border of the text frame on
 the troublesome page, and then use Alt with an arrow key to move it a small
 distance.  If you see another text frame at the original position, then the
 one you moved was likely created accidentally at some point and is not part
 of your flow.  Cut your table out of it and paste into the real text
 frame, then delete the errant frame.

 HTH,

 --
 Stuart Rogers
 Technical Communicator
 Phoenix Geophysics Limited
 Toronto, ON, Canada
 +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

 srogers phoenix-geophysics com

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Table won't roll to next page

[Deirdre Reagan]

Hi All!

FM 8.0, Windows 3.1.

Just kidding -- Windows XP.

I'm having a problem with the table on the last page of my file.  I
add 10 more rows, and the rows disapper on the page -- they don't
force a new page.  I've seen this before and I seem to remember it's a
simple fix, but for the life of me I can't remember what to do!

I've gone into pagination and changed the setting from "Make Page
Count Even" to "Make Page Count Odd," but that hasn't done anything.

Any thoughts?

Thanks!

Deirdre

Table won't roll to next page

[Deirdre Reagan]

Thanks everyone for your help.  I copied the table to a new blank
document and the table rolled over just fine, so it appears that my
problem is with the master pages.

My document starts on page 10004. I have three pages of figures, then
three pages of table, then three pages of figures and two more pages
of table.  It's the last page of the last table that is causing me
grief.

The table in the middle of the document is working just fine. The
table at the end of the document won't roll to a new page, so 10 or so
rows are disappearing.

I've doubled checked the master page usage.  For the first table, the
page are Custom Right, Custom Left, Custom Right.  For the second
table, the pages are Custom Right, Custom Left.  So as far as the
table will go, it is using the same master pages as the previous
table.

When I try to change the pagination from Make Page Count Even to Make
Page Count Odd, I get this message:

The new column layout in DOCNAME.fm seems to overlap other objects on
some body pages.

Are you sure you want to do this?

Number of pages affected: 5.  First page: 10008.

(***end of message***)

Page 10008 is the first page of the first table.

Any idea what that might mean?

Deirdre



On 1/12/09, Fred Ridder  wrote:
> Deirdre Reagan asked:
>
> > I'm having a problem with the table on the last page of my file. I
> > add 10 more rows, and the rows disapper on the page -- they don't
> > force a new page. I've seen this before and I seem to remember it's a
> > simple fix, but for the life of me I can't remember what to do!
> >
> > I've gone into pagination and changed the setting from "Make Page
> > Count Even" to "Make Page Count Odd," but that hasn't done anything.
>
> I can think of three possible causes of this kind of behavior right off
> the top of my head:
> 1) One or more columns straddled across rows.
> 2) Keep With Next Row and/or Keep With Previous Row set
> in Table>Row Format
> 3) A very large value set for Orphan Rows in the Table Designer.
>
> Does the existing last page use the default master page? Or does it
> use some special master page? There are probably some circumstances
> where that might also play a role.
>
> -FR
>
>
>
>

Table won't roll to next page

[Deirdre Reagan]

I fixed it!

I autoconnected the first page to the second page and the table on the
last page miraculously rolled over to a new page.

I don't know why that worked, but I'm glad it did!

Thanks everyone for your help.

Deirdre

On 1/12/09, Stuart Rogers  wrote:
> Art Campbell wrote:
> > I'd make a guess that you have another text frame on that page,
> > probably one that's not auto-connected to anything.
> >
> > Try poking around with the pointer tool, or maybe do a Select All on
> > the page. Either one would let you select or unselect objects, or move
> > them around so you can see if anything is there but hidden.
> >
> >
>
> I second Art's diagnosis.  Ctrl-click near the border of the text frame on
> the troublesome page, and then use Alt with an arrow key to move it a small
> distance.  If you see another text frame at the original position, then the
> one you moved was likely created accidentally at some point and is not part
> of your flow.  Cut your table out of it and paste into the "real" text
> frame, then delete the errant frame.
>
> HTH,
>
> --
> Stuart Rogers
> Technical Communicator
> Phoenix Geophysics Limited
> Toronto, ON, Canada
> +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325
>
> srogers phoenix-geophysics com
>
> "A man's screech should exceed his rasp, or what's a violin for?"
>
> --another Rogers Original
>

OT: question about paragraph reference and section symbols

[Deirdre Reagan]

Hi all:

Any aeronautics people on this list?  If yes, (or even if no, feel
free to weigh in) in text, when referring to another part of the text,
what is the preferred way to note that reference?

I have two documents -- one refers to "paragraph 5.1" and the other
refers to [section symbol] 5.1.

Do you all refer to "paragraph," use the section symbol, or use something else?

I would prefer to use the the section symbol, but one of my coworkers
says that someone would see that symbol and automatically think
[section symbol] 5.1 refers to an FAA regulation so we should use
"paragraph."

I think the word "paragraph" is kind of strange and it always makes me
look twice ("Refer to paragraph 5.1, "Monitoring the Electrical
System," for more details . . ") -- at the very least, I'd use
Paragraph 5.1. or Para 5.1.

A quick perusal of the USGPO Style Guide didn't turn anything up, so I
thought I'd turn to you guys.

Any thoughts?

Thanks,

Deirdre

trademark symbol in text

[Deirdre Reagan]

Hi Framers!

This is technically not an FM question, but perhaps you all can help?

What's the standard practice for using the trademark symbol in the
text?  Don't use it?  Use it just for the first instance of the
trademark name?  Use it ever time the trademark name is mentioned?

And is there a style guide ruling on this?  I usually use APA and / or
GPO Style Guide, but I haven't been able to find any ruling.

Thanks so much!

Happy New Year!

Deirdre Reagan
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Re: trademark symbol in text

[Deirdre Reagan]

Mike and all:

Thank you so much for the answers! I think Mike's comment here best
answers my particular questions, but the others answers have been very
helpful as well.

Deirdre

On 1/5/09, Mike Wickham i...@mikewickham.com wrote:
  What's the standard practice for using the trademark symbol in the
  text?  Don't use it?  Use it just for the first instance of the
  trademark name?  Use it ever time the trademark name is mentioned?
 

 According to the Chicago Manual of Style, 15th edition:

 8.162 Brand names that are registered trademarks-often so indicated in
 dictionaries-should be capitalized if they must be used. A better choice is
 to substitute a generic term when available. Although the symbols (R) and TM
 often accompany trademark names on product packaging and in promotional
 material, there is no legal requirement to use these symbols, and they
 should be omitted wherever possible. Note also that some companies want
 people to use both the proper and the generic terms in reference to their
 products (Kleenex facial tissue, not just Kleenex), but here again there
 is no legal requirement. 

 Mike Wickham



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[Deirdre Reagan]

Hi Framers!

This is technically not an FM question, but perhaps you all can help?

What's the standard practice for using the trademark symbol in the
text?  Don't use it?  Use it just for the first instance of the
trademark name?  Use it ever time the trademark name is mentioned?

And is there a style guide ruling on this?  I usually use APA and / or
GPO Style Guide, but I haven't been able to find any ruling.

Thanks so much!

Happy New Year!

Deirdre Reagan

trademark symbol in text

[Deirdre Reagan]

Mike and all:

Thank you so much for the answers! I think Mike's comment here best
answers my particular questions, but the others answers have been very
helpful as well.

Deirdre

On 1/5/09, Mike Wickham  wrote:
> > What's the standard practice for using the trademark symbol in the
> > text?  Don't use it?  Use it just for the first instance of the
> > trademark name?  Use it ever time the trademark name is mentioned?
> >
>
> According to the Chicago Manual of Style, 15th edition:
>
> "8.162 Brand names that are registered trademarks-often so indicated in
> dictionaries-should be capitalized if they must be used. A better choice is
> to substitute a generic term when available. Although the symbols (R) and TM
> often accompany trademark names on product packaging and in promotional
> material, there is no legal requirement to use these symbols, and they
> should be omitted wherever possible. Note also that some companies want
> people to use both the proper and the generic terms in reference to their
> products ("Kleenex facial tissue," not just "Kleenex"), but here again there
> is no legal requirement. "
>
> Mike Wickham
>
>
>

Re: Template organization

[Deirdre Reagan]

I make a unique tag for every possible scenario so I can transfer all
formats without worrying about overrides.

Deirdre

On 12/12/08, Nancy Allison ma...@verizon.net wrote:

 Hey, folks. What is your standard for organizing your template?

 Do you have all ref pages, master pages, para tags, character tags,
 variable definitions, etc., etc., represented identically in every file
 of your template?

 It easiest  to update every file in a book with every formatting
 element, rather than try to remember that the Index file has unique
 elements, so does the TOC, the appendixes have different variable
 definitions from the chapters, etc., etc.

 The only gotcha I can think of is that sometimes I manually fiddle with
 header and footer settings for the oddball chapters (Index, TOC, List of
 Figures, etc., etc.) If I copied Page Layouts from my Index to all
 other files, would they all end up with Index manually typed into the
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I make a unique tag for every possible scenario so I can transfer all
formats without worrying about overrides.

Deirdre

On 12/12/08, Nancy Allison  wrote:
>
> Hey, folks. What is your standard for organizing your template?
>
> Do you have all ref pages, master pages, para tags, character tags,
> variable definitions, etc., etc., represented identically in every file
> of your template?
>
> It easiest  to update every file in a book with every formatting
> element, rather than try to remember that the Index file has unique
> elements, so does the TOC, the appendixes have different variable
> definitions from the chapters, etc., etc.
>
> The only gotcha I can think of is that sometimes I manually fiddle with
> header and footer settings for the oddball chapters (Index, TOC, List of
> Figures, etc., etc.) If I copied "Page Layouts" from my Index to all
> other files, would they all end up with "Index" manually typed into the
> footer, for example?
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party invitation

[Deirdre Reagan]

Hi all:

FM 8.0 -- Windows XP.

I am making our holiday party invitations -- is FM a good product to
use, or would word be better.  I don't have any good publishing
software.  Unless FM is good publishing software, of course!

LOL

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adding multiple sheets with the same autonumbered figure number

[Deirdre Reagan]

Happy Voting Day my fellow Americans!

My fellow non-American Framers, Happy First Tuesday of November!

Ok, I have a FrameMaker question that exists beyond partisan boundaries.

FM 8.0, Windows XP.

Is it possible to have a command that allows for multiple sheets of
the same autonumbered Figure number -- i.e., Figure 1 (Sheet 1 of 2),
Figure 1 (Sheet 2 of 2) -- so that Figure 1 can update to Figure 2 or
6 or 100 on all sheets when more figures are added?

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adding an anchored frame in front of an existing anchored frame

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Hi all:

I am in FM 8.0, Windows XP.

I have a document whose first page is an anchored frame with a Figure
Title and Figure Number underneath it.  The anchored frame marker and
a paragraph marker are the first two symbols on the page, then the
anchored frame, then the Figure Title and Figure Number.

How do I add an anchored frame in front of this anchored frame?
Whenever I add the frame, it appears on the second page, with no
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[Deirdre Reagan]

Happy Voting Day my fellow Americans!

My fellow non-American Framers, Happy First Tuesday of November!

Ok, I have a FrameMaker question that exists beyond partisan boundaries.

FM 8.0, Windows XP.

Is it possible to have a command that allows for multiple sheets of
the same autonumbered Figure number -- i.e., Figure 1 (Sheet 1 of 2),
Figure 1 (Sheet 2 of 2) -- so that Figure 1 can update to Figure 2 or
6 or 100 on all sheets when more figures are added?

Thanks so much!

Deirdre

adding an anchored frame in front of an existing anchored frame

[Deirdre Reagan]

Hi all:

I am in FM 8.0, Windows XP.

I have a document whose first page is an anchored frame with a Figure
Title and Figure Number underneath it.  The anchored frame marker and
a paragraph marker are the first two symbols on the page, then the
anchored frame, then the Figure Title and Figure Number.

How do I add an anchored frame in front of this anchored frame?
Whenever I add the frame, it appears on the second page, with no
anchored frame marker.

Thanks,

Deirdre

Losing text I add to a graphic

[Deirdre Reagan]

Hi all:

FM 8.0, Windows XP.

When I add text to a graphic, I use the A (Draw a Text Line) tool.

Then I need to drag my text around to position it exactly.

Sometimes, I lose some of my text.  For instance, I'll type in 10
(8PL), but when I drag it to a new location, it'll arrive as 0 (8PL)
or 10(P  -- either the start or the finish will be missing.

Any ideas if I'm doing something wrong, or what's the dealio?

Happy Tuesday!

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Re: Losing text I add to a graphic

[Deirdre Reagan]

Nothing else is in front of it -- it's not a bring to front kind of
thing.  The text just *poof* disappears.

On 10/28/08, Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Without poking at it, it sounds as if another object in the drawing
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 Are you using Bring To Front to make sure nothing is on top of it?

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  Hi all:
 
  FM 8.0, Windows XP.
 
  When I add text to a graphic, I use the A (Draw a Text Line) tool.
 
  Then I need to drag my text around to position it exactly.
 
  Sometimes, I lose some of my text.  For instance, I'll type in 10
  (8PL), but when I drag it to a new location, it'll arrive as 0 (8PL)
  or 10(P  -- either the start or the finish will be missing.
 
  Any ideas if I'm doing something wrong, or what's the dealio?
 
  Happy Tuesday!
 
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Re: Losing text I add to a graphic

[Deirdre Reagan]

Thanks to Ann and Tom for identifying the problem.  Now I am off to
find out what a runaround is.

On 10/28/08, Schmidt, Tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Sounds like the text is trying to runaround the graphic. Try this...

 Right click the graphic  Runaround Properties  Don't Run Around  Set

 Thomas Schmidt

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 Subject: Losing text I add to a graphic

 Hi all:

 FM 8.0, Windows XP.

 When I add text to a graphic, I use the A (Draw a Text Line) tool.

 Then I need to drag my text around to position it exactly.

 Sometimes, I lose some of my text.  For instance, I'll type in 10
 (8PL), but when I drag it to a new location, it'll arrive as 0 (8PL)
 or 10(P  -- either the start or the finish will be missing.

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Losing text I add to a graphic

[Deirdre Reagan]

Hi all:

FM 8.0, Windows XP.

When I add text to a graphic, I use the A (Draw a Text Line) tool.

Then I need to drag my text around to position it exactly.

Sometimes, I lose some of my text.  For instance, I'll type in 10
(8PL), but when I drag it to a new location, it'll arrive as 0 (8PL)
or 10(P  -- either the start or the finish will be missing.

Any ideas if I'm doing something wrong, or what's the dealio?

Happy Tuesday!

Deirdre

Losing text I add to a graphic

[Deirdre Reagan]

Nothing else is in front of it -- it's not a bring to front kind of
thing.  The text just *poof* disappears.

On 10/28/08, Art Campbell  wrote:
> Without poking at it, it sounds as if another object in the drawing
> may be cutting off the text.
> Are you using Bring To Front to make sure nothing is on top of it?
>
> Art Campbell
>  art.campbell at gmail.com
>  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
> Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
>  No disclaimers apply.
>   DoD 358
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 3:30 PM, Deirdre Reagan
>  wrote:
> > Hi all:
> >
> > FM 8.0, Windows XP.
> >
> > When I add text to a graphic, I use the A (Draw a Text Line) tool.
> >
> > Then I need to drag my text around to position it exactly.
> >
> > Sometimes, I lose some of my text.  For instance, I'll type in 10
> > (8PL), but when I drag it to a new location, it'll arrive as 0 (8PL)
> > or 10(P  -- either the start or the finish will be missing.
> >
> > Any ideas if I'm doing something wrong, or what's the dealio?
> >
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Losing text I add to a graphic

[Deirdre Reagan]

Thanks to Ann and Tom for identifying the problem.  Now I am off to
find out what a runaround is.

On 10/28/08, Schmidt, Tom  wrote:
> Sounds like the text is trying to "runaround" the graphic. Try this...
>
> Right click the graphic > Runaround Properties > Don't Run Around > Set
>
> Thomas Schmidt
>
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> Subject: Losing text I add to a graphic
>
> Hi all:
>
> FM 8.0, Windows XP.
>
> When I add text to a graphic, I use the A (Draw a Text Line) tool.
>
> Then I need to drag my text around to position it exactly.
>
> Sometimes, I lose some of my text.  For instance, I'll type in 10
> (8PL), but when I drag it to a new location, it'll arrive as 0 (8PL)
> or 10(P  -- either the start or the finish will be missing.
>
> Any ideas if I'm doing something wrong, or what's the dealio?
>
> Happy Tuesday!
>
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Re: An error occurred while printing.

[Deirdre Reagan]

My PDF fails all the time.  I switch between File  Save as PDF and
Print  Printer  = PDF.  Eventually, it starts to work again.

I also change the PDF job options from Standard to High Quality Print
(or vice versa) and that tends to solve the problem as well.

What is going wrong, however, I don't know.

Good luck,

Deirdre

On 10/27/08, Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 If Frame and Acrobat can't open, print, and close the network files
 (including all graphics and insets) without the connection timing out,
 the job will fail. And the more files involved, the more likely a
 network timing glitch can interfere.

 It could occur on a slow network or if there are lock files in place
 on the components, or just unresolved cross ref or font issues.

 Art


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  What does the location of the file have to do with print job
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  file after it is built.
 
 
  Thank you,
 
 
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  occurred while printing. I haven't changed any settings since the last
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text frame that isn't visible

[Deirdre Reagan]

Hi all:

FM 8.0, Windows XP.

A specific question here, but feel free to philosophize about the
nature of disconnected and connected pages in general.  I'm happy to
learn.

In my document, when I attempt to connect two text frames, I get a
message that says Ok to use a text frame that isn't visible?

SPECIFIC QUESTION(s)

What does that message mean?

GENERAL PHILOSOPHICAL MUSINGS

How would I find a text frame that isn't visible?  Why would I ever
use a text frame that isn't visible?

Why does FM use disconnected pages as the default?

How come sometimes when I add a disconnected page, one of my figures
jumps to the end of the document and the table ends up split between
two other figures?

Can a text frame within a text frame be connected to the text frame
it's within? (I'm using white text to force a TOC entry -- the text
frame is usually on its own page, but not in this case, so I cut and
pasted the text frame into another text frame -- I guess I could have
just typed the white text into the existing text frame.  I didn't
think of that until right now.  Anyhow, I'd still like to know.)

How come sometimes when I add rows to my table, FM automatically adds
a new page, but other times, the new rows disappear until I add a page
and connect it to the table page?  Does it have anything to do with
using Left / Right Master pages versus Custom Left and Custom Right
master pages?

I could go on, but I imagine you all have jobs you need to do.

Sprightly yours,

Deirdre
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Re: text frame that isn't visible

[Deirdre Reagan]

Hi Art:

I hope someday soon to know enough to rewrite these templates!  I'd
tackle it now, but the reference pages have me stumped.

I have to add pages because there is only one illustration page in the
template, and a lot of time our illustrations split over two - three
pages.

Is there another way to add pages?  Just keep hitting enter until a
new page shows up? That gives me my connected page but goes against
every thing I've ever learned about efficient report writing.

Thanks!

Deirdre

On 10/20/08, Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Based on your questions, it sounds as if there's something or some
 things wrong in your template. If I were you, I'd think about creating
 a new, clean template and applying it to any of your files/books that
 have the symptoms you're asking about. It sounds as if you're building
 stuff on what amounts to a flawed foundation, which isn't good.

 * The not visible frame could be on a layer under another frame --
 mostly likely the result of modifying master pages or adding frames
 manually.

 * There isn't a program default setting for page connections; it's on
 a file by file, or template basis. So disconnected pages aren't the
 default setting, except in your particular files. Autoconnect -- a
 checkbox on your Master Page's text frame property sheet -- is the
 setting in all the Frame templates and in most cases should always be
 on.

 * You should so rarely have to add a Disconnected page that you should
 need to look up the procedure... For almost all books in all
 situations, you want autoconnected pages.

 * Text frames cannot be nested. You may have a text frame that
 contains an anchored frame, and _that_ may contain a text frame. Or
 you may have text frames on different layers. But you don't have
 nested ones.

 * The only reason that rows wouldn't be added to a table is if youv'e
 broken the automatic flow connection. If it's turned on, the rows and
 pages are added automatically.

 Art

 Art


 Art Campbell
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
 Vincent and a redheaded grl. -- Richard Thompson
  No disclaimers apply.
   DoD 358



 On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 3:15 PM, Deirdre Reagan
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hi all:
 
  FM 8.0, Windows XP.
 
  A specific question here, but feel free to philosophize about the
  nature of disconnected and connected pages in general.  I'm happy to
  learn.
 
  In my document, when I attempt to connect two text frames, I get a
  message that says Ok to use a text frame that isn't visible?
 
  SPECIFIC QUESTION(s)
 
  What does that message mean?
 
  GENERAL PHILOSOPHICAL MUSINGS
 
  How would I find a text frame that isn't visible?  Why would I ever
  use a text frame that isn't visible?
 
  Why does FM use disconnected pages as the default?
 
  How come sometimes when I add a disconnected page, one of my figures
  jumps to the end of the document and the table ends up split between
  two other figures?
 
  Can a text frame within a text frame be connected to the text frame
  it's within? (I'm using white text to force a TOC entry -- the text
  frame is usually on its own page, but not in this case, so I cut and
  pasted the text frame into another text frame -- I guess I could have
  just typed the white text into the existing text frame.  I didn't
  think of that until right now.  Anyhow, I'd still like to know.)
 
  How come sometimes when I add rows to my table, FM automatically adds
  a new page, but other times, the new rows disappear until I add a page
  and connect it to the table page?  Does it have anything to do with
  using Left / Right Master pages versus Custom Left and Custom Right
  master pages?
 
  I could go on, but I imagine you all have jobs you need to do.
 
  Sprightly yours,
 
  Deirdre
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Re: text frame that isn't visible

[Deirdre Reagan]

Thanks Lester:

I just right-clicked my text frame and checked object properties --
the autoconnect box is selected.

How can I add a page that isn't a disconnected page?  The only way I
know how to add pages is to keep hitting return until a new page shows
up, or go to Special  Add Disconnected Page.

Is there some option I should be clicking to make my menu option read
Special  Add Connected Page?

Thanks!

Deirdre

On 10/20/08, Lester C. Smalley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 The not visible frame may well be on another page that is not visible.
 I think that is far more likely than the layers, although that is also a
 possibility.

 The biggest thing is exactly as Art notes: the autoconnect property.
 This should be ON for all your main text frames, both on the body pages
 themselves, and the master pages, regardless of whether they are custom
 master pages or the default Right/Left pair, unless you have some very
 specialized page design needs.

 Whenever a disconnected page is added to a document, the autoconnect
 setting will be turned OFF on that page, and so anything you add to it
 will not 'autoflow' to a new pages, such as adding rows to a table.  If
 that happens again, instead of adding a page and connecting them
 manually, check the properties for the text frame to see if Autoconnect
 is turned off. If so, just turn it on and FM should automatically add a
 new page to contain the extra table rows.

 I would strive to keep the text frame organization as simple as possible
 - a single frame for the page is both easiest to work with and easiest
 for another writer to follow. You can have multiple frames if your page
 design demands it, but do not try to nest them, which can't be done
 directly anyway - you have to add an anchored frame or a fixed graphic
 frame.

 On Monday, October 20, 2008 15:26, Art Campbell wrote:

 | Based on your questions, it sounds as if there's something or some
 | things wrong in your template. If I were you, I'd think about creating
 | a new, clean template and applying it to any of your files/books that
 | have the symptoms you're asking about. It sounds as if you're building
 | stuff on what amounts to a flawed foundation, which isn't good.
 |
 | * The not visible frame could be on a layer under another frame --
 | mostly likely the result of modifying master pages or adding frames
 | manually.
 |
 | * There isn't a program default setting for page connections; it's on
 | a file by file, or template basis. So disconnected pages aren't the
 | default setting, except in your particular files. Autoconnect -- a
 | checkbox on your Master Page's text frame property sheet -- is the
 | setting in all the Frame templates and in most cases should always be
 | on.
 |
 | * You should so rarely have to add a Disconnected page that you should
 | need to look up the procedure... For almost all books in all
 | situations, you want autoconnected pages.
 |
 | * Text frames cannot be nested. You may have a text frame that
 | contains an anchored frame, and _that_ may contain a text frame. Or
 | you may have text frames on different layers. But you don't have
 | nested ones.
 |
 | * The only reason that rows wouldn't be added to a table is if youv'e
 | broken the automatic flow connection. If it's turned on, the rows and
 | pages are added automatically.
 |
 | Art
 |
 | Art Campbell
 |   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 |   ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
 | Vincent and a redheaded grl. -- Richard Thompson
 |   No disclaimers
 | apply.
 |DoD 358
 |
 |
 | On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 3:15 PM, Deirdre Reagan
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 |
 |  Hi all:
 | 
 |  FM 8.0, Windows XP.
 | 
 |  A specific question here, but feel free to philosophize about the
 |  nature of disconnected and connected pages in general.  I'm happy to
 |  learn.
 | 
 |  In my document, when I attempt to connect two text frames, I get a
 |  message that says OK to use a text frame that isn't visible?
 | 
 |  SPECIFIC QUESTION(s)
 | 
 |  What does that message mean?
 | 
 |  GENERAL PHILOSOPHICAL MUSINGS
 | 
 |  How would I find a text frame that isn't visible?  Why would I ever
 |  use a text frame that isn't visible?
 | 
 |  Why does FM use disconnected pages as the default?
 | 
 |  How come sometimes when I add a disconnected page, one of my figures
 |  jumps to the end of the document and the table ends up split between
 |  two other figures?
 | 
 |  Can a text frame within a text frame be connected to the text frame
 |  it's within? (I'm using white text to force a TOC entry -- the text
 |  frame is usually on its own page, but not in this case, so I cut and
 |  pasted the text frame into another text frame -- I guess I could
 have
 |  just typed the white text into the existing text frame.  I didn't
 |  think of that until right now.  Anyhow, I'd still like to know

Re: text frame that isn't visible

[Deirdre Reagan]

Or perhaps Page Break?  LOL -- I just saw that.  Is that how to force
a connected page?

Thanks!

Deirdre

On 10/20/08, Deirdre Reagan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Thanks Lester:

 I just right-clicked my text frame and checked object properties --
 the autoconnect box is selected.

 How can I add a page that isn't a disconnected page?  The only way I
 know how to add pages is to keep hitting return until a new page shows
 up, or go to Special  Add Disconnected Page.

 Is there some option I should be clicking to make my menu option read
 Special  Add Connected Page?

 Thanks!

 Deirdre

 On 10/20/08, Lester C. Smalley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  The not visible frame may well be on another page that is not visible.
  I think that is far more likely than the layers, although that is also a
  possibility.
 
  The biggest thing is exactly as Art notes: the autoconnect property.
  This should be ON for all your main text frames, both on the body pages
  themselves, and the master pages, regardless of whether they are custom
  master pages or the default Right/Left pair, unless you have some very
  specialized page design needs.
 
  Whenever a disconnected page is added to a document, the autoconnect
  setting will be turned OFF on that page, and so anything you add to it
  will not 'autoflow' to a new pages, such as adding rows to a table.  If
  that happens again, instead of adding a page and connecting them
  manually, check the properties for the text frame to see if Autoconnect
  is turned off. If so, just turn it on and FM should automatically add a
  new page to contain the extra table rows.
 
  I would strive to keep the text frame organization as simple as possible
  - a single frame for the page is both easiest to work with and easiest
  for another writer to follow. You can have multiple frames if your page
  design demands it, but do not try to nest them, which can't be done
  directly anyway - you have to add an anchored frame or a fixed graphic
  frame.
 
  On Monday, October 20, 2008 15:26, Art Campbell wrote:
 
  | Based on your questions, it sounds as if there's something or some
  | things wrong in your template. If I were you, I'd think about creating
  | a new, clean template and applying it to any of your files/books that
  | have the symptoms you're asking about. It sounds as if you're building
  | stuff on what amounts to a flawed foundation, which isn't good.
  |
  | * The not visible frame could be on a layer under another frame --
  | mostly likely the result of modifying master pages or adding frames
  | manually.
  |
  | * There isn't a program default setting for page connections; it's on
  | a file by file, or template basis. So disconnected pages aren't the
  | default setting, except in your particular files. Autoconnect -- a
  | checkbox on your Master Page's text frame property sheet -- is the
  | setting in all the Frame templates and in most cases should always be
  | on.
  |
  | * You should so rarely have to add a Disconnected page that you should
  | need to look up the procedure... For almost all books in all
  | situations, you want autoconnected pages.
  |
  | * Text frames cannot be nested. You may have a text frame that
  | contains an anchored frame, and _that_ may contain a text frame. Or
  | you may have text frames on different layers. But you don't have
  | nested ones.
  |
  | * The only reason that rows wouldn't be added to a table is if youv'e
  | broken the automatic flow connection. If it's turned on, the rows and
  | pages are added automatically.
  |
  | Art
  |
  | Art Campbell
  |   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  |   ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
  | Vincent and a redheaded grl. -- Richard Thompson
  |   No disclaimers
  | apply.
  |DoD 358
  |
  |
  | On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 3:15 PM, Deirdre Reagan
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  |
  |  Hi all:
  | 
  |  FM 8.0, Windows XP.
  | 
  |  A specific question here, but feel free to philosophize about the
  |  nature of disconnected and connected pages in general.  I'm happy to
  |  learn.
  | 
  |  In my document, when I attempt to connect two text frames, I get a
  |  message that says OK to use a text frame that isn't visible?
  | 
  |  SPECIFIC QUESTION(s)
  | 
  |  What does that message mean?
  | 
  |  GENERAL PHILOSOPHICAL MUSINGS
  | 
  |  How would I find a text frame that isn't visible?  Why would I ever
  |  use a text frame that isn't visible?
  | 
  |  Why does FM use disconnected pages as the default?
  | 
  |  How come sometimes when I add a disconnected page, one of my figures
  |  jumps to the end of the document and the table ends up split between
  |  two other figures?
  | 
  |  Can a text frame within a text frame be connected to the text frame
  |  it's within? (I'm using white text to force a TOC entry -- the text
  |  frame is usually

text frame that isn't visible

[Deirdre Reagan]

Hi all:

FM 8.0, Windows XP.

A specific question here, but feel free to philosophize about the
nature of disconnected and connected pages in general.  I'm happy to
learn.

In my document, when I attempt to connect two text frames, I get a
message that says "Ok to use a text frame that isn't visible?"

SPECIFIC QUESTION(s)

What does that message mean?

GENERAL PHILOSOPHICAL MUSINGS

How would I find a text frame that isn't visible?  Why would I ever
use a text frame that isn't visible?

Why does FM use disconnected pages as the default?

How come sometimes when I add a disconnected page, one of my figures
jumps to the end of the document and the table ends up split between
two other figures?

Can a text frame within a text frame be connected to the text frame
it's within? (I'm using white text to force a TOC entry -- the text
frame is usually on its own page, but not in this case, so I cut and
pasted the text frame into another text frame -- I guess I could have
just typed the white text into the existing text frame.  I didn't
think of that until right now.  Anyhow, I'd still like to know.)

How come sometimes when I add rows to my table, FM automatically adds
a new page, but other times, the new rows disappear until I add a page
and connect it to the table page?  Does it have anything to do with
using Left / Right Master pages versus Custom Left and Custom Right
master pages?

I could go on, but I imagine you all have jobs you need to do.

Sprightly yours,

Deirdre

text frame that isn't visible

[Deirdre Reagan]

Hi Art:

I hope someday soon to know enough to rewrite these templates!  I'd
tackle it now, but the reference pages have me stumped.

I have to add pages because there is only one illustration page in the
template, and a lot of time our illustrations split over two - three
pages.

Is there another way to add pages?  Just keep hitting enter until a
new page shows up? That gives me my connected page but goes against
every thing I've ever learned about efficient report writing.

Thanks!

Deirdre

On 10/20/08, Art Campbell  wrote:
> Based on your questions, it sounds as if there's something or some
> things wrong in your template. If I were you, I'd think about creating
> a new, clean template and applying it to any of your files/books that
> have the symptoms you're asking about. It sounds as if you're building
> stuff on what amounts to a flawed foundation, which isn't good.
>
> * The "not visible" frame could be on a layer under another frame --
> mostly likely the result of modifying master pages or adding frames
> manually.
>
> * There isn't a program default setting for page connections; it's on
> a file by file, or template basis. So disconnected pages aren't the
> default setting, except in your particular files. Autoconnect -- a
> checkbox on your Master Page's text frame property sheet -- is the
> setting in all the Frame templates and in most cases should always be
> on.
>
> * You should so rarely have to add a Disconnected page that you should
> need to look up the procedure... For almost all books in all
> situations, you want autoconnected pages.
>
> * Text frames cannot be nested. You may have a text frame that
> contains an anchored frame, and _that_ may contain a text frame. Or
> you may have text frames on different layers. But you don't have
> nested ones.
>
> * The only reason that rows wouldn't be added to a table is if youv'e
> broken the automatic flow connection. If it's turned on, the rows and
> pages are added automatically.
>
> Art
>
> Art
>
>
> Art Campbell
>  art.campbell at gmail.com
>  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
> Vincent and a redheaded grl." -- Richard Thompson
>  No disclaimers apply.
>   DoD 358
>
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 3:15 PM, Deirdre Reagan
>  wrote:
> > Hi all:
> >
> > FM 8.0, Windows XP.
> >
> > A specific question here, but feel free to philosophize about the
> > nature of disconnected and connected pages in general.  I'm happy to
> > learn.
> >
> > In my document, when I attempt to connect two text frames, I get a
> > message that says "Ok to use a text frame that isn't visible?"
> >
> > SPECIFIC QUESTION(s)
> >
> > What does that message mean?
> >
> > GENERAL PHILOSOPHICAL MUSINGS
> >
> > How would I find a text frame that isn't visible?  Why would I ever
> > use a text frame that isn't visible?
> >
> > Why does FM use disconnected pages as the default?
> >
> > How come sometimes when I add a disconnected page, one of my figures
> > jumps to the end of the document and the table ends up split between
> > two other figures?
> >
> > Can a text frame within a text frame be connected to the text frame
> > it's within? (I'm using white text to force a TOC entry -- the text
> > frame is usually on its own page, but not in this case, so I cut and
> > pasted the text frame into another text frame -- I guess I could have
> > just typed the white text into the existing text frame.  I didn't
> > think of that until right now.  Anyhow, I'd still like to know.)
> >
> > How come sometimes when I add rows to my table, FM automatically adds
> > a new page, but other times, the new rows disappear until I add a page
> > and connect it to the table page?  Does it have anything to do with
> > using Left / Right Master pages versus Custom Left and Custom Right
> > master pages?
> >
> > I could go on, but I imagine you all have jobs you need to do.
> >
> > Sprightly yours,
> >
> > Deirdre
> > ___
> >
> >
> > You are currently subscribed to Framers as art.campbell at gmail.com.
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text frame that isn't visible

[Deirdre Reagan]

The illustration page has a text box and an anchored frame, and two
lines of text: Figure Title and Figure Number.

I import an illustration into the anchored frame, then add a second
page, copy the anchored frame into the second page, and import the
second illustration into that page, and etc. until I have all the
illustration pages I need.

Deirdre


On 10/20/08, Art Campbell  wrote:
> Deirdre,
>
> First, the templates You can redesign the templates pretty easily
> from FM Portrait pages and then just import the Reference Pages from
> your existing doc. Which means you don't have to go on to the Ref
> pages for anything, assuming everything there is working.
>
> Tell us about the Illustration Pages. Is that a Master Page? Does it
> have a text frame on it, or is it blank?
>
> Art
>
> Art Campbell
>  art.campbell at gmail.com
>  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
> Vincent and a redheaded grl." -- Richard Thompson
>  No disclaimers apply.
>       DoD 358
>
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 3:39 PM, Deirdre Reagan
>  wrote:
> > Hi Art:
> >
> > I hope someday soon to know enough to rewrite these templates!  I'd
> > tackle it now, but the reference pages have me stumped.
> >
> > I have to add pages because there is only one illustration page in the
> > template, and a lot of time our illustrations split over two - three
> > pages.
> >
> > Is there another way to add pages?  Just keep hitting enter until a
> > new page shows up? That gives me my connected page but goes against
> > every thing I've ever learned about efficient report writing.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Deirdre
> >
> > On 10/20/08, Art Campbell  wrote:
> >> Based on your questions, it sounds as if there's something or some
> >> things wrong in your template. If I were you, I'd think about creating
> >> a new, clean template and applying it to any of your files/books that
> >> have the symptoms you're asking about. It sounds as if you're building
> >> stuff on what amounts to a flawed foundation, which isn't good.
> >>
> >> * The "not visible" frame could be on a layer under another frame --
> >> mostly likely the result of modifying master pages or adding frames
> >> manually.
> >>
> >> * There isn't a program default setting for page connections; it's on
> >> a file by file, or template basis. So disconnected pages aren't the
> >> default setting, except in your particular files. Autoconnect -- a
> >> checkbox on your Master Page's text frame property sheet -- is the
> >> setting in all the Frame templates and in most cases should always be
> >> on.
> >>
> >> * You should so rarely have to add a Disconnected page that you should
> >> need to look up the procedure... For almost all books in all
> >> situations, you want autoconnected pages.
> >>
> >> * Text frames cannot be nested. You may have a text frame that
> >> contains an anchored frame, and _that_ may contain a text frame. Or
> >> you may have text frames on different layers. But you don't have
> >> nested ones.
> >>
> >> * The only reason that rows wouldn't be added to a table is if youv'e
> >> broken the automatic flow connection. If it's turned on, the rows and
> >> pages are added automatically.
> >>
> >> Art
> >>
> >> Art
> >>
> >>
> >> Art Campbell
> >>  art.campbell at gmail.com
> >>  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
> >> Vincent and a redheaded grl." -- Richard Thompson
> >>  No disclaimers apply.
> >>   DoD 358
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 3:15 PM, Deirdre Reagan
> >>  wrote:
> >> > Hi all:
> >> >
> >> > FM 8.0, Windows XP.
> >> >
> >> > A specific question here, but feel free to philosophize about the
> >> > nature of disconnected and connected pages in general.  I'm happy to
> >> > learn.
> >> >
> >> > In my document, when I attempt to connect two text frames, I get a
> >> > message that says "Ok to use a text frame that isn't visible?"
> >> >
> >> > SPECIFIC QUESTION(s)
> >

text frame that isn't visible

[Deirdre Reagan]

Thanks Lester:

I just right-clicked my text frame and checked object properties --
the autoconnect box is selected.

How can I add a page that isn't a disconnected page?  The only way I
know how to add pages is to keep hitting return until a new page shows
up, or go to Special > Add Disconnected Page.

Is there some option I should be clicking to make my menu option read
Special > Add Connected Page?

Thanks!

Deirdre

On 10/20/08, Lester C. Smalley  wrote:
> The "not visible" frame may well be on another page that is not visible.
> I think that is far more likely than the layers, although that is also a
> possibility.
>
> The biggest thing is exactly as Art notes: the "autoconnect" property.
> This should be ON for all your main text frames, both on the body pages
> themselves, and the master pages, regardless of whether they are custom
> master pages or the default Right/Left pair, unless you have some very
> specialized page design needs.
>
> Whenever a disconnected page is added to a document, the autoconnect
> setting will be turned OFF on that page, and so anything you add to it
> will not 'autoflow' to a new pages, such as adding rows to a table.  If
> that happens again, instead of adding a page and connecting them
> manually, check the properties for the text frame to see if Autoconnect
> is turned off. If so, just turn it on and FM should automatically add a
> new page to contain the extra table rows.
>
> I would strive to keep the text frame organization as simple as possible
> - a single frame for the page is both easiest to work with and easiest
> for another writer to follow. You can have multiple frames if your page
> design demands it, but do not try to nest them, which can't be done
> directly anyway - you have to add an anchored frame or a fixed graphic
> frame.
>
> On Monday, October 20, 2008 15:26, Art Campbell wrote:
>
> | Based on your questions, it sounds as if there's something or some
> | things wrong in your template. If I were you, I'd think about creating
> | a new, clean template and applying it to any of your files/books that
> | have the symptoms you're asking about. It sounds as if you're building
> | stuff on what amounts to a flawed foundation, which isn't good.
> |
> | * The "not visible" frame could be on a layer under another frame --
> | mostly likely the result of modifying master pages or adding frames
> | manually.
> |
> | * There isn't a program default setting for page connections; it's on
> | a file by file, or template basis. So disconnected pages aren't the
> | default setting, except in your particular files. Autoconnect -- a
> | checkbox on your Master Page's text frame property sheet -- is the
> | setting in all the Frame templates and in most cases should always be
> | on.
> |
> | * You should so rarely have to add a Disconnected page that you should
> | need to look up the procedure... For almost all books in all
> | situations, you want autoconnected pages.
> |
> | * Text frames cannot be nested. You may have a text frame that
> | contains an anchored frame, and _that_ may contain a text frame. Or
> | you may have text frames on different layers. But you don't have
> | nested ones.
> |
> | * The only reason that rows wouldn't be added to a table is if youv'e
> | broken the automatic flow connection. If it's turned on, the rows and
> | pages are added automatically.
> |
> | Art
> |
> | Art Campbell
> |   art.campbell at gmail.com
> |   "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
> | Vincent and a redheaded grl." -- Richard Thompson
> |   No disclaimers
> | apply.
> |DoD 358
> |
> |
> | On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 3:15 PM, Deirdre Reagan
>  wrote:
> |
> | > Hi all:
> | >
> | > FM 8.0, Windows XP.
> | >
> | > A specific question here, but feel free to philosophize about the
> | > nature of disconnected and connected pages in general.  I'm happy to
> | > learn.
> | >
> | > In my document, when I attempt to connect two text frames, I get a
> | > message that says "OK to use a text frame that isn't visible?"
> | >
> | > SPECIFIC QUESTION(s)
> | >
> | > What does that message mean?
> | >
> | > GENERAL PHILOSOPHICAL MUSINGS
> | >
> | > How would I find a text frame that isn't visible?  Why would I ever
> | > use a text frame that isn't visible?
> | >
> | > Why does FM use disconnected pages as the default?
> | >
> | > How come sometimes when I add a disconnected page, one of my figures
> | > jump

text frame that isn't visible

[Deirdre Reagan]

Or perhaps Page Break?  LOL -- I just saw that.  Is that how to force
a connected page?

Thanks!

Deirdre

On 10/20/08, Deirdre Reagan  wrote:
> Thanks Lester:
>
> I just right-clicked my text frame and checked object properties --
> the autoconnect box is selected.
>
> How can I add a page that isn't a disconnected page?  The only way I
> know how to add pages is to keep hitting return until a new page shows
> up, or go to Special > Add Disconnected Page.
>
> Is there some option I should be clicking to make my menu option read
> Special > Add Connected Page?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Deirdre
>
> On 10/20/08, Lester C. Smalley  wrote:
> > The "not visible" frame may well be on another page that is not visible.
> > I think that is far more likely than the layers, although that is also a
> > possibility.
> >
> > The biggest thing is exactly as Art notes: the "autoconnect" property.
> > This should be ON for all your main text frames, both on the body pages
> > themselves, and the master pages, regardless of whether they are custom
> > master pages or the default Right/Left pair, unless you have some very
> > specialized page design needs.
> >
> > Whenever a disconnected page is added to a document, the autoconnect
> > setting will be turned OFF on that page, and so anything you add to it
> > will not 'autoflow' to a new pages, such as adding rows to a table.  If
> > that happens again, instead of adding a page and connecting them
> > manually, check the properties for the text frame to see if Autoconnect
> > is turned off. If so, just turn it on and FM should automatically add a
> > new page to contain the extra table rows.
> >
> > I would strive to keep the text frame organization as simple as possible
> > - a single frame for the page is both easiest to work with and easiest
> > for another writer to follow. You can have multiple frames if your page
> > design demands it, but do not try to nest them, which can't be done
> > directly anyway - you have to add an anchored frame or a fixed graphic
> > frame.
> >
> > On Monday, October 20, 2008 15:26, Art Campbell wrote:
> >
> > | Based on your questions, it sounds as if there's something or some
> > | things wrong in your template. If I were you, I'd think about creating
> > | a new, clean template and applying it to any of your files/books that
> > | have the symptoms you're asking about. It sounds as if you're building
> > | stuff on what amounts to a flawed foundation, which isn't good.
> > |
> > | * The "not visible" frame could be on a layer under another frame --
> > | mostly likely the result of modifying master pages or adding frames
> > | manually.
> > |
> > | * There isn't a program default setting for page connections; it's on
> > | a file by file, or template basis. So disconnected pages aren't the
> > | default setting, except in your particular files. Autoconnect -- a
> > | checkbox on your Master Page's text frame property sheet -- is the
> > | setting in all the Frame templates and in most cases should always be
> > | on.
> > |
> > | * You should so rarely have to add a Disconnected page that you should
> > | need to look up the procedure... For almost all books in all
> > | situations, you want autoconnected pages.
> > |
> > | * Text frames cannot be nested. You may have a text frame that
> > | contains an anchored frame, and _that_ may contain a text frame. Or
> > | you may have text frames on different layers. But you don't have
> > | nested ones.
> > |
> > | * The only reason that rows wouldn't be added to a table is if youv'e
> > | broken the automatic flow connection. If it's turned on, the rows and
> > | pages are added automatically.
> > |
> > | Art
> > |
> > | Art Campbell
> > |   art.campbell at gmail.com
> > |   "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
> > | Vincent and a redheaded grl." -- Richard Thompson
> > |   No disclaimers
> > | apply.
> > |DoD 358
> > |
> > |
> > | On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 3:15 PM, Deirdre Reagan
> >  wrote:
> > |
> > | > Hi all:
> > | >
> > | > FM 8.0, Windows XP.
> > | >
> > | > A specific question here, but feel free to philosophize about the
> > | > nature of disconnected and connected pages in general.  I'm happy to
> > | > learn.
> > | >
> > | > In my docum

text frame that isn't visible

[Deirdre Reagan]

Hi Richard:

Thanks for this input -- you've helped me learn some things.

I do need to have an anchored frame that is larger than the
illustration I'm importing.

However, I see that I can just choose "Below Current Line" for my
anchored frame, and it automtically jumps to a new page. And the table
below it automatically jumps to its own page.

Thanks!

Deirdre


On 10/20/08, Combs, Richard  wrote:
> Deirdre Reagan wrote:
>
> > How can I add a page that isn't a disconnected page?  The only way I
> > know how to add pages is to keep hitting return until a new page shows
> > up, or go to Special > Add Disconnected Page.
> >
> > Is there some option I should be clicking to make my menu option read
> > Special > Add Connected Page?
>
> I think you're fundamentally misunderstanding how FM works and trying to
> use it as a page-layout program like Quark or PageMaker.
>
> There is no Add Connected Page command because you should never add
> pages. You just add _content_, and FM creates additional pages
> automatically to hold it.
>
> Your illustrations should be inserted into the (autoconnected) text
> flow, not put on separate pages. When you reach the end of the last
> paragraph before an illustration, hit Enter to make a new paragraph, and
> then select File > Import > File and import your illustration. FM will
> create an anchored frame (anchored at the text cursor location) to hold
> the illustration. If you want the figure caption below the figure, hit
> Enter again, make the new pgf your figure caption pgf.
>
> There's more to it (Keep With settings, whether to define a dedicated
> figure anchor pgf, etc.), but that's the basic idea. Don't add pages!
> Let FM do that for you.
>
> (If you have, or can get, Adobe's Classroom in a Book for FM, working
> through that will teach you a lot of these basic concepts of how FM
> works and how to work with it instead of against it.
>
> HTH!
>
> Richard
>
>
> Richard G. Combs
> Senior Technical Writer
> Polycom, Inc.
> richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
> 303-223-5111
> --
> rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom
> 303-777-0436
> --
>
>
>
>
>
>

TOC

[Deirdre Reagan]

Hi all:

FM 8.0, Windows XP

*beats weary head against the wall*

I have a template that needs to have the TOC autogenerated.

I autogenerate the TOC, and it looks terrible.

I import formats from a TOC that looks good.

Now, my TOC looks good, except it's drawing its cross-references from
that TOC's book.

The page layout is both 1) giving me the format look I want and 2)
bringing in the other cross-references.

I don't really know how to fix this.

Any help would be most appreciated.

Thanks.

Deirdre
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Re: TOC

[Deirdre Reagan]

Works like a charm -- thank you so much for the help!

Deirdre
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TOC

[Deirdre Reagan]

Hi all:

FM 8.0, Windows XP

*beats weary head against the wall*

I have a template that needs to have the TOC autogenerated.

I autogenerate the TOC, and it looks terrible.

I import formats from a TOC that looks good.

Now, my TOC looks good, except it's drawing its cross-references from
that TOC's book.

The page layout is both 1) giving me the format look I want and 2)
bringing in the other cross-references.

I don't really know how to fix this.

Any help would be most appreciated.

Thanks.

Deirdre

TOC

[Deirdre Reagan]

Works like a charm -- thank you so much for the help!

Deirdre

Re: Graphics in FM

[Deirdre Reagan]

Thanks Richard --

The original line drawings are coming ot me as PDFs.  I don't have
AutoCad or Katia or any of the other programs that the engineers have,
so I get the drawing as a PDF file.  I turn it into a jpg so I can
erase lines and words.

It would be nice to have the original vector drawing!



On 10/9/08, Combs, Richard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Deirdre Reagan wrote:

  In my documents, we use black and white line drawings exclusively.
 
  I've been cutting and pasting 200 pixels / inch bitmaps.  FM scrolls
  through them very quickly.
 
  My colleagues import 300 pixels / inch jpgs.  Their jpgs are better
  quality but FM works very very slowly when scrolling past a page with
  a jpg.
 
  I just imported a PDF-ed graphic that was made from a 600 pixels /
  inch jpg.  It has the best resolution and FM scrolls through the page
  very quickly.
 
  So here's my question:  is there any downside to using the PDF-ed
 graphic?

 None at all. IMHO, PDFs are a great way to import graphics into FM.

 But here's a question back to you: Where are these line drawings coming
 from?

 See, any graphic format described in terms of pixels or dots per inch
 (dpi) is what's called a bitmap (or raster) image -- that includes BMP,
 JPG, PNG, and GIF. Its resolution is limited to whatever it was created
 at (200, 300, 600 dpi). If you resize it (or zoom in), you lose
 resolution.

 But line drawings are by nature vector images. That means they're not
 defined in terms of a fixed resolution, but in terms of vectors -- lines
 and arcs -- that can be scaled to any size without loss of resolution.
 If you're starting with a vector drawing (like from Adobe Illustrator or
 Corel Draw), it's best not to turn it into a bitmap.

 Instead, make a PDF from the original vector drawing, and it will still
 be a scalable vector drawing in PDF form. You'll really see the
 difference if you zoom way in (say 800%) on a bitmap version and a
 vector version of the same drawing.

 HTH!
 Richard


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Re: adding graphics to files

[Deirdre Reagan]

Thanks all.

I really appreciate your feedback -- you are confirming what I
suspected but don't have enough knowledge to back up!

Here's my situation:

I get the drawing package as a PDF file.

I don't have AutoCad or Katia or any of the other drawing progams, so
I can't access the original vector drawing.

I've been turning the PDF into a bitmap file and copying and pasting
it into my file.

I copy and paste because the lead technical writer is adamantly
against importing by reference.

He also told me that I have to stop using bitmap because bitmap
graphics won't work if we have to turn these documents into HTML
(STML? XML? Some sort of web-based product) documents.

So, based on what you all are telling me, bitmap is the best way to go (yeah!).

And bitmapped graphics are just fine for web-based documents?

Thanks so much guys!

From the fun factory,

Deirdre





On 10/9/08, Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Fred's on top of the graphic issues. Bottom line is JPG is the way
 wrong format and is adding some bloat.

 However, its not clear from the OP message whether you're copying the
 graphic file in, or importing by reference.
 Importing  by refrence is the preferred way to do it. Copying is not
 the way to go.

 If you are copying them in, that would be a good reason for the slowdown.

 Art.


 Art Campbell
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
 Vincent and a redheaded grl. -- Richard Thompson
  No disclaimers apply.
   DoD 358



 On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 6:06 PM, Fred Ridder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Deirdre Reagan wrote:
  Anyhow, when I add jpgs to my Framemaker file (FM 8.0, Windows XP),
  Framemaker slows way down when I scroll over the page with the jpg.
 
  The jpgs are 300 dpi, which they need to be for good print resolution
  (they are black and white drawings).
 
  I import the file to an anchored frame, then resize the graphic to 80
  percent because it is usually too large for the anchored frame.
 
  I really don't know anything about graphics, so anything advice would
  be most appreciated.
 
  To cover only a couple of the most basic issues:
 
  First and foremost, JPEG is *not* an appropriate file format for line art
  or anything containing text. JPEG was specifically designed for
  *photographic* images, which tend to conceal many of the format's
  shortcomings due to the continuous-tone nature of photographs.
  JPEG's area-based image compression algorithm inherently produces
  artifacts near abroupt color transitions, which is clearly seen as a
  kind of gray smudginess alongside lines in drawings or as a kind of
  cloud surrounding text. For line art you should be using a lossless file
  format like EPS, WMF (or EMF), or PNG (or GIF or TIFF or even BMP).
  The one file format you should *not* use is JPEG.
 
  Second, if you need to scale your graphics, you should use a vector
  file format (EPS, WMF, EMF) rather than a raster file format (any of
  the others mentioned). Vector images contain mathematical descriptions
  of the geometric and text objects in the drawing, which means that
  they can be rescaled over a wide range of sizes with no loss in quality.
  Raster graphics contain a pixel-by-pixel rendering of the image, and
  to rescale them you either have to change the pixel pitch or you have
  to resample them to throw away pixels or make up new pixels that
  don't exist.
 
  Third, if you do have raster images (screen shots, for example), the
  best way to change their reproduced size in FrameMaker is not
  to use the scaling command, but rather to change the dpi setting.
  Doubling the dpi will reduce the dimensions to 50%; halving the
  dpi will double the reproduced size of the image. If this approach
  is not acceptable for some reason, the other alternative is to use
  a tool like PaintShop Pro or Photoshop to resample the image, but
  this *always* causes a loss in quality.
 
  I'll leave any other issues to others to address.
 
  -Fred Ridder
 
 
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Re: adding graphics to files

[Deirdre Reagan]

LOL -- yes, sorry -- I was between emails.  The best source is a PDF
-- I'm so excited to find out that I can open the PDF in Photoshop,
tweak it, and save it as a PDF.

That's going to save me a lot of time.

Import by reference:  sadly, I'm not allowed to do that.

But just out of curiosity, why is import by reference better than import?

Thanks again for all the advice.

Deirdre

On 10/10/08, Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Uh no, that isn't what I was saying and I don't think that's what Fred
 would recommend either.
 You didn't say the source file was a PDF, or if you did, I missed it.

 If you already have the source graphic in a PDF, that's your best
 final format right there because it's a PostScript file. Vector based,
 scalable, etc. Only way you can degrade it is by converting it to
 another graphic format which is what you've been doing.

 You can optimize the PDF further with Acrobat, and you can crop it
 with Photoshop or another program, both actions that will reduce the
 file size. But other than that, you're good to go.

 And you should still be importing it by reference

 Cheers,
 Art

 Art Campbell
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
 Vincent and a redheaded grl. -- Richard Thompson
  No disclaimers apply.
   DoD 358



 On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 9:37 AM, Deirdre Reagan
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Thanks all.
 
  I really appreciate your feedback -- you are confirming what I
  suspected but don't have enough knowledge to back up!
 
  Here's my situation:
 
  I get the drawing package as a PDF file.
 
  I don't have AutoCad or Katia or any of the other drawing progams, so
  I can't access the original vector drawing.
 
  I've been turning the PDF into a bitmap file and copying and pasting
  it into my file.
 
  I copy and paste because the lead technical writer is adamantly
  against importing by reference.
 
  He also told me that I have to stop using bitmap because bitmap
  graphics won't work if we have to turn these documents into HTML
  (STML? XML? Some sort of web-based product) documents.
 
  So, based on what you all are telling me, bitmap is the best way to go 
  (yeah!).
 
  And bitmapped graphics are just fine for web-based documents?
 
  Thanks so much guys!
 
  From the fun factory,
 
  Deirdre
 
 
 
 
 
  On 10/9/08, Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Fred's on top of the graphic issues. Bottom line is JPG is the way
  wrong format and is adding some bloat.
 
  However, its not clear from the OP message whether you're copying the
  graphic file in, or importing by reference.
  Importing  by refrence is the preferred way to do it. Copying is not
  the way to go.
 
  If you are copying them in, that would be a good reason for the slowdown.
 
  Art.
 
 
  Art Campbell
   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
  Vincent and a redheaded grl. -- Richard Thompson
   No disclaimers apply.
DoD 358
 
 
 
  On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 6:06 PM, Fred Ridder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   Deirdre Reagan wrote:
   Anyhow, when I add jpgs to my Framemaker file (FM 8.0, Windows XP),
   Framemaker slows way down when I scroll over the page with the jpg.
  
   The jpgs are 300 dpi, which they need to be for good print resolution
   (they are black and white drawings).
  
   I import the file to an anchored frame, then resize the graphic to 80
   percent because it is usually too large for the anchored frame.
  
   I really don't know anything about graphics, so anything advice would
   be most appreciated.
  
   To cover only a couple of the most basic issues:
  
   First and foremost, JPEG is *not* an appropriate file format for line art
   or anything containing text. JPEG was specifically designed for
   *photographic* images, which tend to conceal many of the format's
   shortcomings due to the continuous-tone nature of photographs.
   JPEG's area-based image compression algorithm inherently produces
   artifacts near abroupt color transitions, which is clearly seen as a
   kind of gray smudginess alongside lines in drawings or as a kind of
   cloud surrounding text. For line art you should be using a lossless file
   format like EPS, WMF (or EMF), or PNG (or GIF or TIFF or even BMP).
   The one file format you should *not* use is JPEG.
  
   Second, if you need to scale your graphics, you should use a vector
   file format (EPS, WMF, EMF) rather than a raster file format (any of
   the others mentioned). Vector images contain mathematical descriptions
   of the geometric and text objects in the drawing, which means that
   they can be rescaled over a wide range of sizes with no loss in quality.
   Raster graphics

Re: ANN: Case Study: Moving from Unstructured FrameMaker to XML and Back Again

[Deirdre Reagan]

Wouldn't this be nice!

On 10/10/08, jobs @ ProSpring [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Saturday, November 8, Meg Miranda from BMC Software will present a case
 study on Moving from Unstructured FrameMaker to XML and Back Again at The
 LavaCon Conference in Honolulu.

 Information about this and other sessions on FrameMaker, XML, DITA, CMS is
 available on the conference website: www.lavacon.org


 Note:  Register by October 15th to take advantage of early registration
 discounts.

 Airlines and the conference hotel have recently reduced their prices, so now
 is a great time to take a tax-deductible trip to Hawaii.




 Jack Molisani
 Executive Director, The LavaCon Conference
 November 6-8, 2008  Honolulu, Hawaii
 www.lavacon.org866-302-5774 x201


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Re: adding graphics to files

[Deirdre Reagan]

Hum.

I'm having the same problem over and over with the PDF file.

Once it's imported into the file, I can't access it. I ctrl-click the
frame, but the handles don't appear.

Any thoughts?

Thanks,

Deirdre

On 10/10/08, Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Most people's primary reason is that a reference keeps the FM file
 from bloating (copying in physically adds all the graphic info to the
 file). This means the file is quicker to load, scroll, and modify, is
 less likely to become corrupt just because there are fewer bytes
 involved, and is just more easily portable.

 It also makes the graphic easier to edit and change.

 Other benefits include allowing people to work on the graphic and have
 their changes included automatically, supporting translation better
 (because different language files can be swapped in on a
 directory-level basis),

 Art

 Art Campbell
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
 Vincent and a redheaded grl. -- Richard Thompson
  No disclaimers apply.
   DoD 358



 On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 11:05 AM, Deirdre Reagan
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  LOL -- yes, sorry -- I was between emails.  The best source is a PDF
  -- I'm so excited to find out that I can open the PDF in Photoshop,
  tweak it, and save it as a PDF.
 
  That's going to save me a lot of time.
 
  Import by reference:  sadly, I'm not allowed to do that.
 
  But just out of curiosity, why is import by reference better than import?
 
  Thanks again for all the advice.
 
  Deirdre
 
  On 10/10/08, Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Uh no, that isn't what I was saying and I don't think that's what Fred
  would recommend either.
  You didn't say the source file was a PDF, or if you did, I missed it.
 
  If you already have the source graphic in a PDF, that's your best
  final format right there because it's a PostScript file. Vector based,
  scalable, etc. Only way you can degrade it is by converting it to
  another graphic format which is what you've been doing.
 
  You can optimize the PDF further with Acrobat, and you can crop it
  with Photoshop or another program, both actions that will reduce the
  file size. But other than that, you're good to go.
 
  And you should still be importing it by reference
 
  Cheers,
  Art
 
  Art Campbell
   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
  Vincent and a redheaded grl. -- Richard Thompson
   No disclaimers apply.
DoD 358
 
 
 
  On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 9:37 AM, Deirdre Reagan
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Thanks all.
  
   I really appreciate your feedback -- you are confirming what I
   suspected but don't have enough knowledge to back up!
  
   Here's my situation:
  
   I get the drawing package as a PDF file.
  
   I don't have AutoCad or Katia or any of the other drawing progams, so
   I can't access the original vector drawing.
  
   I've been turning the PDF into a bitmap file and copying and pasting
   it into my file.
  
   I copy and paste because the lead technical writer is adamantly
   against importing by reference.
  
   He also told me that I have to stop using bitmap because bitmap
   graphics won't work if we have to turn these documents into HTML
   (STML? XML? Some sort of web-based product) documents.
  
   So, based on what you all are telling me, bitmap is the best way to go 
   (yeah!).
  
   And bitmapped graphics are just fine for web-based documents?
  
   Thanks so much guys!
  
   From the fun factory,
  
   Deirdre
  
  
  
  
  
   On 10/9/08, Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Fred's on top of the graphic issues. Bottom line is JPG is the way
   wrong format and is adding some bloat.
  
   However, its not clear from the OP message whether you're copying the
   graphic file in, or importing by reference.
   Importing  by refrence is the preferred way to do it. Copying is not
   the way to go.
  
   If you are copying them in, that would be a good reason for the 
   slowdown.
  
   Art.
  
  
   Art Campbell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
   Vincent and a redheaded grl. -- Richard Thompson
No disclaimers 
   apply.
 DoD 358
  
  
  
   On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 6:06 PM, Fred Ridder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
Deirdre Reagan wrote:
Anyhow, when I add jpgs to my Framemaker file (FM 8.0, Windows XP),
Framemaker slows way down when I scroll over the page with the jpg.
   
The jpgs are 300 dpi, which they need to be for good print resolution
(they are black

Graphics in FM

[Deirdre Reagan]

Thanks Richard --

The original line drawings are coming ot me as PDFs.  I don't have
AutoCad or Katia or any of the other programs that the engineers have,
so I get the drawing as a PDF file.  I turn it into a jpg so I can
erase lines and words.

It would be nice to have the original vector drawing!



On 10/9/08, Combs, Richard  wrote:
> Deirdre Reagan wrote:
>
> > In my documents, we use black and white line drawings exclusively.
> >
> > I've been cutting and pasting 200 pixels / inch bitmaps.  FM scrolls
> > through them very quickly.
> >
> > My colleagues import 300 pixels / inch jpgs.  Their jpgs are better
> > quality but FM works very very slowly when scrolling past a page with
> > a jpg.
> >
> > I just imported a PDF-ed graphic that was made from a 600 pixels /
> > inch jpg.  It has the best resolution and FM scrolls through the page
> > very quickly.
> >
> > So here's my question:  is there any downside to using the PDF-ed
> graphic?
>
> None at all. IMHO, PDFs are a great way to import graphics into FM.
>
> But here's a question back to you: Where are these line drawings coming
> from?
>
> See, any graphic format described in terms of pixels or dots per inch
> (dpi) is what's called a bitmap (or raster) image -- that includes BMP,
> JPG, PNG, and GIF. Its resolution is limited to whatever it was created
> at (200, 300, 600 dpi). If you resize it (or zoom in), you lose
> resolution.
>
> But line drawings are by nature vector images. That means they're not
> defined in terms of a fixed resolution, but in terms of vectors -- lines
> and arcs -- that can be scaled to any size without loss of resolution.
> If you're starting with a vector drawing (like from Adobe Illustrator or
> Corel Draw), it's best not to turn it into a bitmap.
>
> Instead, make a PDF from the original vector drawing, and it will still
> be a scalable vector drawing in PDF form. You'll really see the
> difference if you zoom way in (say 800%) on a bitmap version and a
> vector version of the same drawing.
>
> HTH!
> Richard
>
>
> Richard G. Combs
> Senior Technical Writer
> Polycom, Inc.
> richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
> 303-223-5111
> --
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> 303-777-0436
> --
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

adding graphics to files

[Deirdre Reagan]

Thanks all.

I really appreciate your feedback -- you are confirming what I
suspected but don't have enough knowledge to back up!

Here's my situation:

I get the drawing package as a PDF file.

I don't have AutoCad or Katia or any of the other drawing progams, so
I can't access the original vector drawing.

I've been turning the PDF into a bitmap file and copying and pasting
it into my file.

I copy and paste because the lead technical writer is adamantly
against importing by reference.

He also told me that I have to stop using bitmap because bitmap
graphics won't work if we have to turn these documents into HTML
(STML? XML? Some sort of web-based product) documents.

So, based on what you all are telling me, bitmap is the best way to go (yeah!).

And bitmapped graphics are just fine for web-based documents?

Thanks so much guys!

>From the fun factory,

Deirdre





On 10/9/08, Art Campbell  wrote:
> Fred's on top of the graphic issues. Bottom line is JPG is the way
> wrong format and is adding some bloat.
>
> However, its not clear from the OP message whether you're copying the
> graphic file in, or importing by reference.
> Importing  by refrence is the preferred way to do it. Copying is not
> the way to go.
>
> If you are copying them in, that would be a good reason for the slowdown.
>
> Art.
>
>
> Art Campbell
>  art.campbell at gmail.com
>  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
> Vincent and a redheaded grl." -- Richard Thompson
>  No disclaimers apply.
>   DoD 358
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 6:06 PM, Fred Ridder  wrote:
> >
> > Deirdre Reagan wrote:
> >> Anyhow, when I add jpgs to my Framemaker file (FM 8.0, Windows XP),
> >> Framemaker slows way down when I scroll over the page with the jpg.
> >>
> >> The jpgs are 300 dpi, which they need to be for good print resolution
> >> (they are black and white drawings).
> >>
> >> I import the file to an anchored frame, then resize the graphic to 80
> >> percent because it is usually too large for the anchored frame.
> >>
> >> I really don't know anything about graphics, so anything advice would
> >> be most appreciated.
> >
> > To cover only a couple of the most basic issues:
> >
> > First and foremost, JPEG is *not* an appropriate file format for line art
> > or anything containing text. JPEG was specifically designed for
> > *photographic* images, which tend to conceal many of the format's
> > shortcomings due to the continuous-tone nature of photographs.
> > JPEG's area-based image compression algorithm inherently produces
> > artifacts near abroupt color transitions, which is clearly seen as a
> > kind of gray smudginess alongside lines in drawings or as a kind of
> > cloud surrounding text. For line art you should be using a lossless file
> > format like EPS, WMF (or EMF), or PNG (or GIF or TIFF or even BMP).
> > The one file format you should *not* use is JPEG.
> >
> > Second, if you need to scale your graphics, you should use a vector
> > file format (EPS, WMF, EMF) rather than a raster file format (any of
> > the others mentioned). Vector images contain mathematical descriptions
> > of the geometric and text objects in the drawing, which means that
> > they can be rescaled over a wide range of sizes with no loss in quality.
> > Raster graphics contain a pixel-by-pixel rendering of the image, and
> > to rescale them you either have to change the pixel pitch or you have
> > to resample them to throw away pixels or make up new pixels that
> > don't exist.
> >
> > Third, if you do have raster images (screen shots, for example), the
> > best way to change their reproduced size in FrameMaker is not
> > to use the scaling command, but rather to change the dpi setting.
> > Doubling the dpi will reduce the dimensions to 50%; halving the
> > dpi will double the reproduced size of the image. If this approach
> > is not acceptable for some reason, the other alternative is to use
> > a tool like PaintShop Pro or Photoshop to resample the image, but
> > this *always* causes a loss in quality.
> >
> > I'll leave any other issues to others to address.
> >
> > -Fred Ridder
> >
> >
> > ___
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adding graphics to files

[Deirdre Reagan]

LOL -- yes, sorry -- I was between emails.  The best source is a PDF
-- I'm so excited to find out that I can open the PDF in Photoshop,
tweak it, and save it as a PDF.

That's going to save me a lot of time.

Import by reference:  sadly, I'm not allowed to do that.

But just out of curiosity, why is import by reference better than import?

Thanks again for all the advice.

Deirdre

On 10/10/08, Art Campbell  wrote:
> Uh no, that isn't what I was saying and I don't think that's what Fred
> would recommend either.
> You didn't say the source file was a PDF, or if you did, I missed it.
>
> If you already have the source graphic in a PDF, that's your best
> final format right there because it's a PostScript file. Vector based,
> scalable, etc. Only way you can degrade it is by converting it to
> another graphic format which is what you've been doing.
>
> You can optimize the PDF further with Acrobat, and you can crop it
> with Photoshop or another program, both actions that will reduce the
> file size. But other than that, you're good to go.
>
> And you should still be importing it by reference
>
> Cheers,
> Art
>
> Art Campbell
>  art.campbell at gmail.com
>  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
> Vincent and a redheaded grl." -- Richard Thompson
>  No disclaimers apply.
>           DoD 358
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 9:37 AM, Deirdre Reagan
>  wrote:
> > Thanks all.
> >
> > I really appreciate your feedback -- you are confirming what I
> > suspected but don't have enough knowledge to back up!
> >
> > Here's my situation:
> >
> > I get the drawing package as a PDF file.
> >
> > I don't have AutoCad or Katia or any of the other drawing progams, so
> > I can't access the original vector drawing.
> >
> > I've been turning the PDF into a bitmap file and copying and pasting
> > it into my file.
> >
> > I copy and paste because the lead technical writer is adamantly
> > against importing by reference.
> >
> > He also told me that I have to stop using bitmap because bitmap
> > graphics won't work if we have to turn these documents into HTML
> > (STML? XML? Some sort of web-based product) documents.
> >
> > So, based on what you all are telling me, bitmap is the best way to go 
> > (yeah!).
> >
> > And bitmapped graphics are just fine for web-based documents?
> >
> > Thanks so much guys!
> >
> > From the fun factory,
> >
> > Deirdre
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 10/9/08, Art Campbell  wrote:
> >> Fred's on top of the graphic issues. Bottom line is JPG is the way
> >> wrong format and is adding some bloat.
> >>
> >> However, its not clear from the OP message whether you're copying the
> >> graphic file in, or importing by reference.
> >> Importing  by refrence is the preferred way to do it. Copying is not
> >> the way to go.
> >>
> >> If you are copying them in, that would be a good reason for the slowdown.
> >>
> >> Art.
> >>
> >>
> >> Art Campbell
> >>  art.campbell at gmail.com
> >>  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
> >> Vincent and a redheaded grl." -- Richard Thompson
> >>  No disclaimers apply.
> >>   DoD 358
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 6:06 PM, Fred Ridder  wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Deirdre Reagan wrote:
> >> >> Anyhow, when I add jpgs to my Framemaker file (FM 8.0, Windows XP),
> >> >> Framemaker slows way down when I scroll over the page with the jpg.
> >> >>
> >> >> The jpgs are 300 dpi, which they need to be for good print resolution
> >> >> (they are black and white drawings).
> >> >>
> >> >> I import the file to an anchored frame, then resize the graphic to 80
> >> >> percent because it is usually too large for the anchored frame.
> >> >>
> >> >> I really don't know anything about graphics, so anything advice would
> >> >> be most appreciated.
> >> >
> >> > To cover only a couple of the most basic issues:
> >> >
> >> > First and foremost, JPEG is *not* an appropriate file format for line art
> >>

ANN: Case Study: Moving from Unstructured FrameMaker to XML and Back Again

[Deirdre Reagan]

Wouldn't this be nice!

On 10/10/08, jobs @ ProSpring  wrote:
>
> On Saturday, November 8, Meg Miranda from BMC Software will present a case
> study on "Moving from Unstructured FrameMaker to XML and Back Again" at The
> LavaCon Conference in Honolulu.
>
> Information about this and other sessions on FrameMaker, XML, DITA, CMS is
> available on the conference website: www.lavacon.org
>
>
> Note:  Register by October 15th to take advantage of early registration
> discounts.
>
> Airlines and the conference hotel have recently reduced their prices, so now
> is a great time to take a tax-deductible trip to Hawaii.
>
>
>
>
> Jack Molisani
> Executive Director, The LavaCon Conference
> November 6-8, 2008  Honolulu, Hawaii
> www.lavacon.org866-302-5774 x201
>
>
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adding graphics to files

[Deirdre Reagan]

Hum.

I'm having the same problem over and over with the PDF file.

Once it's imported into the file, I can't access it. I ctrl-click the
frame, but the handles don't appear.

Any thoughts?

Thanks,

Deirdre

On 10/10/08, Art Campbell  wrote:
> Most people's primary reason is that a reference keeps the FM file
> from bloating (copying in physically adds all the graphic info to the
> file). This means the file is quicker to load, scroll, and modify, is
> less likely to become corrupt just because there are fewer bytes
> involved, and is just more easily portable.
>
> It also makes the graphic easier to edit and change.
>
> Other benefits include allowing people to work on the graphic and have
> their changes included automatically, supporting translation better
> (because different language files can be swapped in on a
> directory-level basis),
>
> Art
>
> Art Campbell
>  art.campbell at gmail.com
>  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
> Vincent and a redheaded grl." -- Richard Thompson
>  No disclaimers apply.
>       DoD 358
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 11:05 AM, Deirdre Reagan
>  wrote:
> > LOL -- yes, sorry -- I was between emails.  The best source is a PDF
> > -- I'm so excited to find out that I can open the PDF in Photoshop,
> > tweak it, and save it as a PDF.
> >
> > That's going to save me a lot of time.
> >
> > Import by reference:  sadly, I'm not allowed to do that.
> >
> > But just out of curiosity, why is import by reference better than import?
> >
> > Thanks again for all the advice.
> >
> > Deirdre
> >
> > On 10/10/08, Art Campbell  wrote:
> >> Uh no, that isn't what I was saying and I don't think that's what Fred
> >> would recommend either.
> >> You didn't say the source file was a PDF, or if you did, I missed it.
> >>
> >> If you already have the source graphic in a PDF, that's your best
> >> final format right there because it's a PostScript file. Vector based,
> >> scalable, etc. Only way you can degrade it is by converting it to
> >> another graphic format which is what you've been doing.
> >>
> >> You can optimize the PDF further with Acrobat, and you can crop it
> >> with Photoshop or another program, both actions that will reduce the
> >> file size. But other than that, you're good to go.
> >>
> >> And you should still be importing it by reference
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Art
> >>
> >> Art Campbell
> >>  art.campbell at gmail.com
> >>  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
> >> Vincent and a redheaded grl." -- Richard Thompson
> >>  No disclaimers apply.
> >>   DoD 358
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 9:37 AM, Deirdre Reagan
> >>  wrote:
> >> > Thanks all.
> >> >
> >> > I really appreciate your feedback -- you are confirming what I
> >> > suspected but don't have enough knowledge to back up!
> >> >
> >> > Here's my situation:
> >> >
> >> > I get the drawing package as a PDF file.
> >> >
> >> > I don't have AutoCad or Katia or any of the other drawing progams, so
> >> > I can't access the original vector drawing.
> >> >
> >> > I've been turning the PDF into a bitmap file and copying and pasting
> >> > it into my file.
> >> >
> >> > I copy and paste because the lead technical writer is adamantly
> >> > against importing by reference.
> >> >
> >> > He also told me that I have to stop using bitmap because bitmap
> >> > graphics won't work if we have to turn these documents into HTML
> >> > (STML? XML? Some sort of web-based product) documents.
> >> >
> >> > So, based on what you all are telling me, bitmap is the best way to go 
> >> > (yeah!).
> >> >
> >> > And bitmapped graphics are just fine for web-based documents?
> >> >
> >> > Thanks so much guys!
> >> >
> >> > From the fun factory,
> >> >
> >> > Deirdre
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On

Fwd: Graphics in FM

[Deirdre Reagan]

Sorry if this is a repost -- I got an autogenerated message that this
post DIED before it reached it's destination.

I'm sorry to have to inform you that your message could not
be delivered to one or more recipients. It's attached below.

framers@lists.frameusers.com: Command died with status 1:


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From: Deirdre Reagan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Oct 9, 2008 2:43 PM
Subject: Graphics in FM
To: Framer's List framers@lists.frameusers.com


Hi all!

FM 8.0, Windows XP.

In my documents, we use black and white line drawings exclusively.

I've been cutting and pasting 200 pixels / inch bitmaps.  FM scrolls
through them very quickly.

My colleagues import 300 pixels / inch jpgs.  Their jpgs are better
quality but FM works very very slowly when scrolling past a page with
a jpg.

I just imported a PDF-ed graphic that was made from a 600 pixels /
inch jpg.  It has the best resolution and FM scrolls through the page
very quickly.

So here's my question:  is there any downside to using the PDF-ed graphic?

We PDF these documents and send them to the customer, who does who
know what to them.  We may in the future be turning these documents
into HTML documents.

I don't know jack about graphics, so any help would be most appreciated.

Deirdre
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adding graphics to files

[Deirdre Reagan]

If this is a repeat, sorry -- my first message died and I resent but I
don't know if that got through.

Anyhow, when I add jpgs to my Framemaker file (FM 8.0, Windows XP),
Framemaker slows way down when I scroll over the page with the jpg.

The jpgs are 300 dpi, which they need to be for good print resolution
(they are black and white drawings).

I import the file to an anchored frame, then resize the graphic to 80
percent because it is usually too large for the anchored frame.

I really don't know anything about graphics, so anything advice would
be most appreciated.

Deirdre
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Fwd: Graphics in FM

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Date: Oct 9, 2008 2:43 PM
Subject: Graphics in FM
To: Framer's List 


Hi all!

FM 8.0, Windows XP.

In my documents, we use black and white line drawings exclusively.

I've been cutting and pasting 200 pixels / inch bitmaps.  FM scrolls
through them very quickly.

My colleagues import 300 pixels / inch jpgs.  Their jpgs are better
quality but FM works very very slowly when scrolling past a page with
a jpg.

I just imported a PDF-ed graphic that was made from a 600 pixels /
inch jpg.  It has the best resolution and FM scrolls through the page
very quickly.

So here's my question:  is there any downside to using the PDF-ed graphic?

We PDF these documents and send them to the customer, who does who
know what to them.  We may in the future be turning these documents
into HTML documents.

I don't know jack about graphics, so any help would be most appreciated.

Deirdre

adding graphics to files

[Deirdre Reagan]

If this is a repeat, sorry -- my first message died and I resent but I
don't know if that got through.

Anyhow, when I add jpgs to my Framemaker file (FM 8.0, Windows XP),
Framemaker slows way down when I scroll over the page with the jpg.

The jpgs are 300 dpi, which they need to be for good print resolution
(they are black and white drawings).

I import the file to an anchored frame, then resize the graphic to 80
percent because it is usually too large for the anchored frame.

I really don't know anything about graphics, so anything advice would
be most appreciated.

Deirdre

zipping an FM book

[Deirdre Reagan]

Hi all!

FM 8.0, Windows 3.1

Just kidding -- Windows XP.

My colleague is attempting to WinZip his book.  Every time in the
past, the book has zipped just fine.

This time, when he opens the zipped file, the book doesn't recognize
any chapters.  We've tried zipping it by itself, zipping it on a
different machine, and zipping the folder instead of the files, but
nothing works.

Does this sound familiar to anyone?

Thanks,

Deirdre
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Re: zipping an FM book

[Deirdre Reagan]

Thank you all very much!  Turns how the zipped file was just fine.

Deirdre

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  Subject: zipping an FM book
 
  Hi all!
 
  FM 8.0, Windows 3.1
 
  Just kidding -- Windows XP.
 
  My colleague is attempting to WinZip his book.  Every time in the
  past, the book has zipped just fine.
 
  This time, when he opens the zipped file, the book doesn't recognize
  any chapters.  We've tried zipping it by itself, zipping it on a
  different machine, and zipping the folder instead of the files, but
  nothing works.
 
  Does this sound familiar to anyone?
 
  Thanks,
 
  Deirdre
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ok, here's another one -- Track Changes Inconsistent

[Deirdre Reagan]

Hi all:

FM 8.0, Windows XP

This one is making me tear my hair out.

I ran the book, and three chapters popped up with the error message:

Track_Changes Added Inconsistent

I went into the file before the first error message and saw that all
Track Text Edits options were available except the last one -- Preview
Off was greyed out.

So I went to the three files and clicked Preview Off so it too was greyed out.

When I ran the book again, the same three chapters popped up with this
error message:

Preliminary setting inconsistent for Conditional Text (or similar words)

This was my bad -- I had tweaked the Conditional text settings at the
same time I had greyed out Preview off, so I went back and corrected
that setting.

I ran the book and the same three chapters now give me this message:

Track_Changes Added Inconsistent
Track_Changes Deleted Inconsistent

???

How could I get this error message again, plus one, when the last time
I ran the book I didn't have any error message at all?

And how do I get rid of these messages?

For all three files, the Track Text Edits menu looks exactly the same
as the Track Text Edits menu for the files that don't pop an error
message.

Is it tied to the Preliminary Text?

Thanks for any insight.

Deirdre
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zipping an FM book

[Deirdre Reagan]

Hi all!

FM 8.0, Windows 3.1

Just kidding -- Windows XP.

My colleague is attempting to WinZip his book.  Every time in the
past, the book has zipped just fine.

This time, when he opens the zipped file, the book doesn't recognize
any chapters.  We've tried zipping it by itself, zipping it on a
different machine, and zipping the folder instead of the files, but
nothing works.

Does this sound familiar to anyone?

Thanks,

Deirdre

zipping an FM book

[Deirdre Reagan]

Thank you all very much!  Turns how the zipped file was just fine.

Deirdre

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> > Deirdre Reagan
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> > Subject: zipping an FM book
> >
> > Hi all!
> >
> > FM 8.0, Windows 3.1
> >
> > Just kidding -- Windows XP.
> >
> > My colleague is attempting to WinZip his book.  Every time in the
> > past, the book has zipped just fine.
> >
> > This time, when he opens the zipped file, the book doesn't recognize
> > any chapters.  We've tried zipping it by itself, zipping it on a
> > different machine, and zipping the folder instead of the files, but
> > nothing works.
> >
> > Does this sound familiar to anyone?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Deirdre
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ok, here's another one -- Track Changes Inconsistent

[Deirdre Reagan]

Hi all:

FM 8.0, Windows XP

This one is making me tear my hair out.

I ran the book, and three chapters popped up with the error message:

Track_Changes Added Inconsistent

I went into the file before the first error message and saw that all
Track Text Edits options were available except the last one -- Preview
Off was greyed out.

So I went to the three files and clicked Preview Off so it too was greyed out.

When I ran the book again, the same three chapters popped up with this
error message:

Preliminary setting inconsistent for Conditional Text (or similar words)

This was my bad -- I had tweaked the Conditional text settings at the
same time I had greyed out Preview off, so I went back and corrected
that setting.

I ran the book and the same three chapters now give me this message:

Track_Changes Added Inconsistent
Track_Changes Deleted Inconsistent

???

How could I get this error message again, plus one, when the last time
I ran the book I didn't have any error message at all?

And how do I get rid of these messages?

For all three files, the Track Text Edits menu looks exactly the same
as the Track Text Edits menu for the files that don't pop an error
message.

Is it tied to the Preliminary Text?

Thanks for any insight.

Deirdre

TOC

[Deirdre Reagan]

Hi all!

FM 8.0, Windows XP.

I'm generating an auto TOC, and it keeps using the format from my
title page, which is different than the format for the rest of the
book.

The title page was the first file in the book, so I moved it down, but
the autoTOC still picked it up.

I imported formats from one of the other files, but it didn't change
the format completely.  While the elements on the master page changed,
the elements on the body page didn't.

Does anyone know how to affect which file the autoTOC uses as a template?

Thanks,

Deirdre
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Re: TOC

[Deirdre Reagan]

Thank you so much Art!  I've been going through by hand, trying one
thing after another, and about 30 seconds ago, I thought, hum, why
don't I try importing formats from one of my working TOCs?

LOL

Any insight into why the autoTOC was picking up the title page, even
after I moved it out of first position?

Thanks,

Deirdre

On 10/3/08, Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 The easiest way to fix it would be to import formats from one of your
 working TOCs...


 Art Campbell

 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
 Vincent and a redheaded grl. -- Richard Thompson
  No disclaimers apply.
   DoD 358



 On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 10:11 AM, Deirdre Reagan
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hi all!
 
  FM 8.0, Windows XP.
 
  I'm generating an auto TOC, and it keeps using the format from my
  title page, which is different than the format for the rest of the
  book.
 
  The title page was the first file in the book, so I moved it down, but
  the autoTOC still picked it up.
 
  I imported formats from one of the other files, but it didn't change
  the format completely.  While the elements on the master page changed,
  the elements on the body page didn't.
 
  Does anyone know how to affect which file the autoTOC uses as a template?
 
  Thanks,
 
  Deirdre
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Re: TOC

[Deirdre Reagan]

Hi Mike:

I did delete the TOC but it kept pulling from the title page.  And
oddly enough, it appears to be pulling from an OLD title page -- there
was a draft graphic on the second page that I removed 5 or 6
iterations ago.

When I imported formats from a different file, the master pages
changed, but the body pages didn't.  The title page had five text
boxes, and the file I imported from only had one text box.  While the
background info changed (driven by the master page), the five text
boxes remained.

But the template's been wonky all morning -- I ran it once and got
missing cross-references errors, but when I ran it a second time, all
was good.

I think Darren hit the nail on the head with his questions - -there
was an underscore in the book name (but not between the book name and
the TOC).  I've since renamed the TOC to simply TOC.

I've run the book several times now and all is good.  Phew.

Until Monday, may your homes be paid for and your pension funds grow,

Deirdre



On 10/3/08, Mike Feimster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Deidre,

 When you moved the title page, did you delete the autoTOC? When you
 first create a toc, the formats are taken from the first file in the
 book (as you discovered). Once the toc has been created, the formats are
 taken from itself. In your case, since it already had the formats from
 the title page, it continued to use them.

 As to why the elements on the master page changed but not the body page,
 are you talking about paragraph styles? You probably did not have the
 specific toc styles in your regular .fm files, so while all the other
 para styles were changed, the toc styles were not.

 Mike

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Deirdre
 Reagan
 Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 10:23 AM
 To: Art Campbell
 Cc: Framer's List
 Subject: Re: TOC

 Thank you so much Art!  I've been going through by hand, trying one
 thing after another, and about 30 seconds ago, I thought, hum, why don't
 I try importing formats from one of my working TOCs?

 LOL

 Any insight into why the autoTOC was picking up the title page, even
 after I moved it out of first position?

 Thanks,

 Deirdre

 On 10/3/08, Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  The easiest way to fix it would be to import formats from one of your
  working TOCs...
 
 
  Art Campbell
 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent

  and a redheaded grl. -- Richard Thompson
   No disclaimers
 apply.
DoD 358
 
 
 
  On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 10:11 AM, Deirdre Reagan
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Hi all!
  
   FM 8.0, Windows XP.
  
   I'm generating an auto TOC, and it keeps using the format from my
   title page, which is different than the format for the rest of the
   book.
  
   The title page was the first file in the book, so I moved it down,
   but the autoTOC still picked it up.
  
   I imported formats from one of the other files, but it didn't change

   the format completely.  While the elements on the master page
   changed, the elements on the body page didn't.
  
   Does anyone know how to affect which file the autoTOC uses as a
 template?
  
   Thanks,
  
   Deirdre
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Hi all!

FM 8.0 Windows XP

My colleague's Paragraph Designer only has two tabs, and his menus are
truncated.  I've seen this before but I can't remember what the
command is to make all of Framemaker's features come back.

Any thoughts?

Thanks,

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That's it!  Thanks all.

Deirdre

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  Hi all!
 
  FM 8.0 Windows XP
 
  My colleague's Paragraph Designer only has two tabs, and his menus are
  truncated.  I've seen this before but I can't remember what the
  command is to make all of Framemaker's features come back.
 
  Any thoughts?
 
  Thanks,
 
  Deirdre
 


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RANT: FrameMaker's help function

[Deirdre Reagan]

Is anyone else as annoyed by FrameMaker's useless help function as I am?

I want to put a page break in my table.  Here's what I get when I type
table break into the Help search function:

***
Controlling page breaks in tables

If all the rows of a table don't fit in a text column, some of the
rows move to the next page or column. You can control how the table
breaks between pages or columns. For example, you can set the minimum
number of rows that can appear on a page or column, or specify that
two rows always appear together on the same page or column. You can
also force a break at any row in a table.

When you insert a table, the minimum number of rows in a column or on
a page is determined by the table format. You can change this number
in the Table Designer.

On the other hand, keeping two rows together and forcing a page break
are not part of the format; they are custom settings, which you make
on a case-by-case basis. If you apply a different format to the table,
these settings are not overwritten.

For information on controlling where a table starts on a page or in a
column, see Controlling where tables begin.
***

Ok.  So, I can control how the table breaks.  Great!  I can force a
break at any row in a table.  Fantastic!

Anyone notice anything missing?

I especially like this nugget of useful information: forcing a page
break [is] not part of the format; they are custom settings, which you
make on a case-by-case basis.

Um, where?  How?

In case anyone here doesn't know, it's Table Row Format  Start Row:.

Deirdre
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Re: RANT: FrameMaker's help function

[Deirdre Reagan]

Look at that!  Yes indeed.

If only someone would invent a function that allows a link between
text in one file and text in another file.  Ah, a girl can dream.

LOL

Thanks,

Deirdre

On 10/3/08, Peter Gold [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi, Deirdre:

 In FM Help, it's common that information is present, but it is
 described in terms that aren't exactly the ones you expect or search
 for, or it is buried in the mass of found topics.

 Your search did find what you needed, about 12 lines down, in the
 topic, Breaking tables at a specific place.

 Searches in Help file that's included in your FrameMaker installation
 (the one that comes up with the F1 key, or from Help  Help Topics) is
 and in the online Help you get by choosing Help  Complete FrameMaker
 Help, which takes you to a page at Adobe.com sometimes rank responses
 differently. Under User Guides, Using Adobe FrameMaker 8, clicking
 LiveDocs takes you to a searchable online version of the User Guide.
 Searching for table break returns the topic Breaking tables at a
 specific place as the third entry.

 This is all un- or under-documented. LiveDocs for some Adobe
 applications work like wikis - you can post comments and correction
 requests directly to them.

 You can contribute greatly to the FrameMaker community if you'd post a
 formal request at
 http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/mmform/index.cfm?name=wishform to make
 the FM LiveDocs interactive, and also to correct the LiveDocs, PDF,
 and distributed versions of the FM Help topics Controlling page
 breaks in tables, and Controlling where tables begin to include
 linked references to  the topic Breaking tables at a specific place.

 Future generations of FM users will thank you.

 HTH

 Regards,

 Peter Gold
 KnowHow ProServices

 On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 2:56 PM, Deirdre Reagan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Is anyone else as annoyed by FrameMaker's useless help function as I am?
 
  I want to put a page break in my table.  Here's what I get when I type
  table break into the Help search function:
 
  ***
  Controlling page breaks in tables
 
  If all the rows of a table don't fit in a text column, some of the
  rows move to the next page or column. You can control how the table
  breaks between pages or columns. For example, you can set the minimum
  number of rows that can appear on a page or column, or specify that
  two rows always appear together on the same page or column. You can
  also force a break at any row in a table.
 
  When you insert a table, the minimum number of rows in a column or on
  a page is determined by the table format. You can change this number
  in the Table Designer.
 
  On the other hand, keeping two rows together and forcing a page break
  are not part of the format; they are custom settings, which you make
  on a case-by-case basis. If you apply a different format to the table,
  these settings are not overwritten.
 
  For information on controlling where a table starts on a page or in a
  column, see Controlling where tables begin.
  ***
 
  Ok.  So, I can control how the table breaks.  Great!  I can force a
  break at any row in a table.  Fantastic!
 
  Anyone notice anything missing?
 
  I especially like this nugget of useful information: forcing a page
  break [is] not part of the format; they are custom settings, which you
  make on a case-by-case basis.
 
  Um, where?  How?
 
  In case anyone here doesn't know, it's Table Row Format  Start Row:.
 
  Deirdre
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TOC

[Deirdre Reagan]

Hi all!

FM 8.0, Windows XP.

I'm generating an auto TOC, and it keeps using the format from my
title page, which is different than the format for the rest of the
book.

The title page was the first file in the book, so I moved it down, but
the autoTOC still picked it up.

I imported formats from one of the other files, but it didn't change
the format completely.  While the elements on the master page changed,
the elements on the body page didn't.

Does anyone know how to affect which file the autoTOC uses as a template?

Thanks,

Deirdre

TOC

[Deirdre Reagan]

Thank you so much Art!  I've been going through by hand, trying one
thing after another, and about 30 seconds ago, I thought, hum, why
don't I try importing formats from one of my working TOCs?

LOL

Any insight into why the autoTOC was picking up the title page, even
after I moved it out of first position?

Thanks,

Deirdre

On 10/3/08, Art Campbell  wrote:
> The easiest way to fix it would be to import formats from one of your
> working TOCs...
>
>
> Art Campbell
>
> art.campbell at gmail.com
>  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
> Vincent and a redheaded grl." -- Richard Thompson
>  No disclaimers apply.
>   DoD 358
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 10:11 AM, Deirdre Reagan
>  wrote:
> > Hi all!
> >
> > FM 8.0, Windows XP.
> >
> > I'm generating an auto TOC, and it keeps using the format from my
> > title page, which is different than the format for the rest of the
> > book.
> >
> > The title page was the first file in the book, so I moved it down, but
> > the autoTOC still picked it up.
> >
> > I imported formats from one of the other files, but it didn't change
> > the format completely.  While the elements on the master page changed,
> > the elements on the body page didn't.
> >
> > Does anyone know how to affect which file the autoTOC uses as a template?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Deirdre
> > ___
> >
> >
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TOC

[Deirdre Reagan]

Hi Mike:

I did delete the TOC but it kept pulling from the title page.  And
oddly enough, it appears to be pulling from an OLD title page -- there
was a draft graphic on the second page that I removed 5 or 6
iterations ago.

When I imported formats from a different file, the master pages
changed, but the body pages didn't.  The title page had five text
boxes, and the file I imported from only had one text box.  While the
background info changed (driven by the master page), the five text
boxes remained.

But the template's been wonky all morning -- I ran it once and got
missing cross-references errors, but when I ran it a second time, all
was good.

I think Darren hit the nail on the head with his questions - -there
was an underscore in the book name (but not between the book name and
the TOC).  I've since renamed the TOC to simply "TOC."

I've run the book several times now and all is good.  Phew.

Until Monday, may your homes be paid for and your pension funds grow,

Deirdre



On 10/3/08, Mike Feimster  wrote:
> Deidre,
>
> When you moved the title page, did you delete the autoTOC? When you
> first create a toc, the formats are taken from the first file in the
> book (as you discovered). Once the toc has been created, the formats are
> taken from itself. In your case, since it already had the formats from
> the title page, it continued to use them.
>
> As to why the elements on the master page changed but not the body page,
> are you talking about paragraph styles? You probably did not have the
> specific toc styles in your regular .fm files, so while all the other
> para styles were changed, the toc styles were not.
>
> Mike
>
> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com
> [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Deirdre
> Reagan
> Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 10:23 AM
> To: Art Campbell
> Cc: Framer's List
> Subject: Re: TOC
>
> Thank you so much Art!  I've been going through by hand, trying one
> thing after another, and about 30 seconds ago, I thought, hum, why don't
> I try importing formats from one of my working TOCs?
>
> LOL
>
> Any insight into why the autoTOC was picking up the title page, even
> after I moved it out of first position?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Deirdre
>
> On 10/3/08, Art Campbell  wrote:
> > The easiest way to fix it would be to import formats from one of your
> > working TOCs...
> >
> >
> > Art Campbell
> >
> > art.campbell at gmail.com
> >  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent
>
> > and a redheaded grl." -- Richard Thompson
> >      No disclaimers
> apply.
> >   DoD 358
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 10:11 AM, Deirdre Reagan
> >  wrote:
> > > Hi all!
> > >
> > > FM 8.0, Windows XP.
> > >
> > > I'm generating an auto TOC, and it keeps using the format from my
> > > title page, which is different than the format for the rest of the
> > > book.
> > >
> > > The title page was the first file in the book, so I moved it down,
> > > but the autoTOC still picked it up.
> > >
> > > I imported formats from one of the other files, but it didn't change
>
> > > the format completely.  While the elements on the master page
> > > changed, the elements on the body page didn't.
> > >
> > > Does anyone know how to affect which file the autoTOC uses as a
> template?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Deirdre
> > > ___
> > >
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truncated Framemaker

[Deirdre Reagan]

Hi all!

FM 8.0 Windows XP

My colleague's Paragraph Designer only has two tabs, and his menus are
truncated.  I've seen this before but I can't remember what the
command is to make all of Framemaker's features come back.

Any thoughts?

Thanks,

Deirdre

truncated Framemaker

[Deirdre Reagan]

That's it!  Thanks all.

Deirdre

On 10/3/08, Rick Quatro  wrote:
> View > Menus > Complete
>
> Rick Quatro
> Carmen Publishing Inc
> 585-659-8267
> www.frameexpert.com
>
> - Original Message - From: "Deirdre Reagan"
> 
> To: "Framer's List" 
> Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 11:43 AM
> Subject: truncated Framemaker
>
>
>
> > Hi all!
> >
> > FM 8.0 Windows XP
> >
> > My colleague's Paragraph Designer only has two tabs, and his menus are
> > truncated.  I've seen this before but I can't remember what the
> > command is to make all of Framemaker's features come back.
> >
> > Any thoughts?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Deirdre
> >
>
>

RANT: FrameMaker's "help" function

[Deirdre Reagan]

Is anyone else as annoyed by FrameMaker's useless help function as I am?

I want to put a page break in my table.  Here's what I get when I type
"table break" into the Help search function:

***
Controlling page breaks in tables

If all the rows of a table don't fit in a text column, some of the
rows move to the next page or column. You can control how the table
breaks between pages or columns. For example, you can set the minimum
number of rows that can appear on a page or column, or specify that
two rows always appear together on the same page or column. You can
also force a break at any row in a table.

When you insert a table, the minimum number of rows in a column or on
a page is determined by the table format. You can change this number
in the Table Designer.

On the other hand, keeping two rows together and forcing a page break
are not part of the format; they are custom settings, which you make
on a case-by-case basis. If you apply a different format to the table,
these settings are not overwritten.

For information on controlling where a table starts on a page or in a
column, see Controlling where tables begin.
***

Ok.  So, I can control how the table breaks.  Great!  I can force a
break at any row in a table.  Fantastic!

Anyone notice anything missing?

I especially like this nugget of useful information: "forcing a page
break [is] not part of the format; they are custom settings, which you
make on a case-by-case basis."

Um, where?  How?

In case anyone here doesn't know, it's Table> Row Format > Start Row:.

Deirdre

RANT: FrameMaker's "help" function

[Deirdre Reagan]

Look at that!  Yes indeed.

If only someone would invent a function that allows a link between
text in one file and text in another file.  Ah, a girl can dream.

LOL

Thanks,

Deirdre

On 10/3/08, Peter Gold  wrote:
> Hi, Deirdre:
>
> In FM Help, it's common that information is present, but it is
> described in terms that aren't exactly the ones you expect or search
> for, or it is buried in the mass of found topics.
>
> Your search did find what you needed, about 12 lines down, in the
> topic, "Breaking tables at a specific place."
>
> Searches in Help file that's included in your FrameMaker installation
> (the one that comes up with the F1 key, or from Help > Help Topics) is
> and in the online Help you get by choosing Help > Complete FrameMaker
> Help, which takes you to a page at Adobe.com sometimes rank responses
> differently. Under User Guides, Using Adobe FrameMaker 8, clicking
> LiveDocs takes you to a searchable online version of the User Guide.
> Searching for table break returns the topic "Breaking tables at a
> specific place" as the third entry.
>
> This is all un- or under-documented. LiveDocs for some Adobe
> applications work like wikis - you can post comments and correction
> requests directly to them.
>
> You can contribute greatly to the FrameMaker community if you'd post a
> formal request at
> http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/mmform/index.cfm?name=wishform to make
> the FM LiveDocs interactive, and also to correct the LiveDocs, PDF,
> and distributed versions of the FM Help topics "Controlling page
> breaks in tables," and "Controlling where tables begin" to include
> linked references to  the topic "Breaking tables at a specific place."
>
> Future generations of FM users will thank you.
>
> HTH
>
> Regards,
>
> Peter Gold
> KnowHow ProServices
>
> On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 2:56 PM, Deirdre Reagan  
> wrote:
> > Is anyone else as annoyed by FrameMaker's useless help function as I am?
> >
> > I want to put a page break in my table.  Here's what I get when I type
> > "table break" into the Help search function:
> >
> > ***
> > Controlling page breaks in tables
> >
> > If all the rows of a table don't fit in a text column, some of the
> > rows move to the next page or column. You can control how the table
> > breaks between pages or columns. For example, you can set the minimum
> > number of rows that can appear on a page or column, or specify that
> > two rows always appear together on the same page or column. You can
> > also force a break at any row in a table.
> >
> > When you insert a table, the minimum number of rows in a column or on
> > a page is determined by the table format. You can change this number
> > in the Table Designer.
> >
> > On the other hand, keeping two rows together and forcing a page break
> > are not part of the format; they are custom settings, which you make
> > on a case-by-case basis. If you apply a different format to the table,
> > these settings are not overwritten.
> >
> > For information on controlling where a table starts on a page or in a
> > column, see Controlling where tables begin.
> > ***
> >
> > Ok.  So, I can control how the table breaks.  Great!  I can force a
> > break at any row in a table.  Fantastic!
> >
> > Anyone notice anything missing?
> >
> > I especially like this nugget of useful information: "forcing a page
> > break [is] not part of the format; they are custom settings, which you
> > make on a case-by-case basis."
> >
> > Um, where?  How?
> >
> > In case anyone here doesn't know, it's Table> Row Format > Start Row:.
> >
> > Deirdre
> > ___
> >
>

print color setting is inconsistent

[Deirdre Reagan]

Hi all:

FM 8.0, Windows platform.

I'm getting the following error message when I run my book:

Print setting for color Black is inconsistent.
Print setting for color Cyan is inconsistent.
Print setting for etc etc for nine more colors.

I've run a help and I've gone through my printer settings.  I can't
figure out what might be triggering the error message.

Any ideas?

Thanks!

Deirdre
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Re: print color setting is inconsistent

[Deirdre Reagan]

I see now what I did.  On the title page of the book, I had some
variables that I didn't fill in, so I CNTL-D'ed them red to remind
myself to change them later.

Then I ran the book.

Next time, I'll highlight!

Thanks all.

Deirdre

On 9/25/08, Combs, Richard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Deirdre Reagan wrote:

  I'm getting the following error message when I run my book:
 
  Print setting for color Black is inconsistent.
  Print setting for color Cyan is inconsistent.
  Print setting for etc etc for nine more colors.
 
  I've run a help and I've gone through my printer settings.  I can't
  figure out what might be triggering the error message.

 Art is correct, but with one clarification called for. You get these
 error messages when FM encounters a file in the book that differs from
 the first one. If your title page has screwed-up color definitions and
 all the others are as they should be, you'll get error messages for each
 of the other files. FM's just telling you the definitions aren't
 consistent with what came before. It's up to you to determine which
 file has the definitions you want. Then import them from that file to
 all the others.

 Richard


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 Polycom, Inc.
 richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
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print color setting is inconsistent

[Deirdre Reagan]

Hi all:

FM 8.0, Windows platform.

I'm getting the following error message when I run my book:

Print setting for color Black is inconsistent.
Print setting for color Cyan is inconsistent.
Print setting for etc etc for nine more colors.

I've run a help and I've gone through my printer settings.  I can't
figure out what might be triggering the error message.

Any ideas?

Thanks!

Deirdre

print color setting is inconsistent

[Deirdre Reagan]

I see now what I did.  On the title page of the book, I had some
variables that I didn't fill in, so I CNTL-D'ed them red to remind
myself to change them later.

Then I ran the book.

Next time, I'll highlight!

Thanks all.

Deirdre

On 9/25/08, Combs, Richard  wrote:
> Deirdre Reagan wrote:
>
> > I'm getting the following error message when I run my book:
> >
> > Print setting for color Black is inconsistent.
> > Print setting for color Cyan is inconsistent.
> > Print setting for etc etc for nine more colors.
> >
> > I've run a help and I've gone through my printer settings.  I can't
> > figure out what might be triggering the error message.
>
> Art is correct, but with one clarification called for. You get these
> error messages when FM encounters a file in the book that differs from
> the first one. If your title page has screwed-up color definitions and
> all the others are as they should be, you'll get error messages for each
> of the other files. FM's just telling you "the definitions aren't
> consistent with what came before." It's up to you to determine which
> file has the definitions you want. Then import them from that file to
> all the others.
>
> Richard
>
>
> Richard G. Combs
> Senior Technical Writer
> Polycom, Inc.
> richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
> 303-223-5111
> --
> rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom
> 303-777-0436
> --
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: A Hero, not a criminal

[Deirdre Reagan]

hahaha!  kilt a bar!



On Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 5:10 PM, David Creamer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 They were correcting bad grammar, as we Tech Writers do every day. Signs
 at our National Parks should contain correct grammar. That's why I said
 they're Heroes.

 Correcting grammar is not something I would consider heroic. Hero is a term
 thrown around much too quickly (for example, sports figures).

 Bringing *attention* to bad grammar might be worthwhile, but defacing
 historic signage is a criminal act (or anyone's signage for that matter).
 The sign was known to contain errors, but because of its historic nature, it
 was left standing.

 Perhaps you should hunt down the tree that Daniel Boone carved D. Boone
 kilt a bar and fix that one up too.

 David Creamer
 I.D.E.A.S. - Results-Oriented Training
 http://www.IDEAStraining.com
 Adobe Certified Trainer  Expert (since 1995)
 Authorized Quark Training Provider (since 1988)
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A Hero, not a criminal

[Deirdre Reagan]

hahaha!  kilt a bar!



On Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 5:10 PM, David Creamer
 wrote:
>> They were correcting bad grammar, as we Tech Writers do every day. Signs
>> at our National Parks should contain correct grammar. That's why I said
>> they're Heroes.
>>
> Correcting grammar is not something I would consider heroic. Hero is a term
> thrown around much too quickly (for example, sports figures).
>
> Bringing *attention* to bad grammar might be worthwhile, but defacing
> historic signage is a criminal act (or anyone's signage for that matter).
> The sign was known to contain errors, but because of its historic nature, it
> was left standing.
>
> Perhaps you should hunt down the tree that Daniel Boone carved "D. Boone
> kilt a bar" and fix that one up too.
>
> David Creamer
> I.D.E.A.S. - Results-Oriented Training
> http://www.IDEAStraining.com
> Adobe Certified Trainer & Expert (since 1995)
> Authorized Quark Training Provider (since 1988)
> Enfocus, Markzware, FileMaker Certified
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Re: Figure Numbering Problem

[Deirdre Reagan]

Is the paragraph numbering at the book level set to Continue Numbering
from Previous Paragraph?

Hope this helps!

Deirdre

On 8/12/08, Howard Rauch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I am working on a service manual using the client's template. I have run into 
 a problem with the auto numbering of figures. The first 4 were numbered in 
 succession, but each one after that repeats as Figure 4. The auto numbering 
 format is F:Figure  n+.  The figure numbers are set with a paragraph tag 
 and are placed are in a text frame inside the borders of an anchored frame.

 I have tried manually forcing the number of the fifth figure to 5, but the 
 downstream figures remain numbered as Figure 4. I have also tried adding 
 spaces to the grid as in F:Figure   n+ and F:Figuren+, but 
 downstream figures are still numbered as Figure 4. Deleting the text frame 
 for Figure 5 and inserting a new one yields the same results.

 Any suggestions as to the cause of the problem and the proper method of 
 correcting it?

 I am using Frame 7.0 and a Windows XP operating system on a PC.

 Howard Rauch

 Technology Transfer, Inc.
 Linking Creators and Users of Technology
 933 North 18th Street
 Manitowoc WI 54220
 Office: 920-682-1528
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Figure Numbering Problem

[Deirdre Reagan]

Is the paragraph numbering at the book level set to Continue Numbering
from Previous Paragraph?

Hope this helps!

Deirdre

On 8/12/08, Howard Rauch  wrote:
> I am working on a service manual using the client's template. I have run into 
> a problem with the auto numbering of figures. The first 4 were numbered in 
> succession, but each one after that repeats as Figure 4. The auto numbering 
> format is F:Figure < >.  The figure numbers are set with a paragraph tag 
> and are placed are in a text frame inside the borders of an anchored frame.
>
> I have tried manually forcing the number of the fifth figure to 5, but the 
> downstream figures remain numbered as Figure 4. I have also tried adding 
> spaces to the grid as in F:Figure < >< > and F:Figure < >< >< >, but 
> downstream figures are still numbered as Figure 4. Deleting the text frame 
> for Figure 5 and inserting a new one yields the same results.
>
> Any suggestions as to the cause of the problem and the proper method of 
> correcting it?
>
> I am using Frame 7.0 and a Windows XP operating system on a PC.
>
> Howard Rauch
>
> Technology Transfer, Inc.
> "Linking Creators and Users of Technology"
> 933 North 18th Street
> Manitowoc WI 54220
> Office: 920-682-1528
> Cell: 920-629-0080
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keep with next in tables

[Deirdre Reagan]

Hi all:

FM 8.0 on XP

I am working in a table and would like one paragraph tag (Attaching
Parts Start) to always Keep with Next Row.

I only find Keep with Next Row in the Row Format dialog box.

Can I format the paragraph tag to ensure it keeps with the next row?
Or is it always a manual operation?

Thanks,

Deirdre
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keep with next in tables

[Deirdre Reagan]

Hi all:

FM 8.0 on XP

I am working in a table and would like one paragraph tag ("Attaching
Parts Start") to always "Keep with Next Row".

I only find "Keep with Next Row" in the Row Format dialog box.

Can I format the paragraph tag to ensure it keeps with the next row?
Or is it always a manual operation?

Thanks,

Deirdre

OT: question about usage

[Deirdre Reagan]

Hi all:

The documents I am working with refer to numerical characters and
alpha characters.

Just out of professional curiosity, is this terminology correct?
Those two phrases sound overly complicated to me -- numerical
characters sounds like a complicated way of saying numbers and
ditto alpha characters for letters.  (And isn't alpha just slang
for alphabetical? They aren't talking about the Greek character.)

Or, it could be accepted jargon.

Who knows?

(I'm hoping you do.  LOL)

Thanks,

Deirdre
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Re: question about usage

[Deirdre Reagan]

Thanks all for the responses about alphanumeric characters and the use
of that terminology.

I get that 123ABC consist of alphanumerical characters.

However, does 123 consist of numerical characters?  I would say it
consists of numbers.

Does ABC consist of alpha characters?  I would say it consists of letters.

In the documents I am working with, 123 is refered to as numerical
characters and ABC is refered to as alpha characters.

Here's what I'm talking about:

Move the part numbers that begin with a numerical character to the
end of the list after the part numbers that begin with an alpha
character.

I'm just wondering how widespread this usage is.  Are these terms just
in my documents in my company, and I should make the correction, or do
technical writers the world over use alpha characters to refer to
letters and numerical characters to refer to numbers?

Thanks!

Deirdre
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