Re: mail server
11.06.2012 16:33, Bahaa Babekir пишет: I want to sent me configuration to build mail server step by step I'd suggest to begin with: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/mail.html -- WBR, Boris Samorodov (bsam) FreeBSD Committer, http://www.FreeBSD.org The Power To Serve ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: mail server
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 12:55:08AM +0400, Boris Samorodov wrote: 11.06.2012 16:33, Bahaa Babekir ??: I want to sent me configuration to build mail server step by step I'd suggest to begin with: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/mail.html Yes, read the handbook first and then ask specific questions. You need to do your homework. This shotgun style of question will not get much useful response. But, making a mail server with FreeBSD is so easy. Unless you want to do something weird or exotic, then FreeBSD already comes with a good mail server all installed. All you have to do it enable it.Put sendmail_enable=yes in /etc/rc.conf and the next time you reboot you have the most common mail server running. It will receive and send Email just fine. Then you might want to install mutt from /usr/ports/mail/mutt or some other Email client to help you read your Email. Of course, you could just use the already installed 'mail' utility. If you must have a web-based Email reader, try installing squirrelmail. jerry -- WBR, Boris Samorodov (bsam) FreeBSD Committer, http://www.FreeBSD.org The Power To Serve ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: mail server config
I'm getting ready to install a new mail server. I want to configure sendmail+clamav+spamassassin+**mimedefang. I believe postfix is considered to be much more secure and better then sendmail overall. I have a mail server and find that postfix was pretty easy to setup and configure. In addition, it is easy to manage with qshape, which installs along with Postfix. The Postfix website has great documentation if you are interested in going this route: http://www.postfix.org/documentation.html -Walt ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: mail server/webmail
On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 13:53:28 -0700, Liontaur liont...@gmail.com wrote: fetchmail, gotcha. I'll look into that. I'm using it myself and I'm still happy with it. The advantage is that you can use it for more than just one POP account. The Outlook Express deal is not for me, that's for another person who needs access to this email account and they happen to be very computer illiterate and being as they're used to OE, i'm not going to bother trying to teach them something new. As for me, I plan on just using webmail to access this email account. Then I'd suggest to install Mozilla Thunderbird and give it the Outlook Express icon. They won't notice any difference. But recipients of mails will - no double HTML garbage. :-) Webmail is not that bad (because important stuff is done in the background - the backend), but I prefer a real mail program. That's easy when you're at home or at work where you can access these resources, but webmail is very handy when you're at another place and still want to to your email stuff. Your idea of combining both (read: IMAP) is quite good. IMAP, gotcha. And yea, the idea is to run this stuff on a FreeBSD server i've got running just for little tasks like this, then the windows workstation [...] Computer with Windows == PC; Computer with UNIX == Workstation. :-) [...] can access it with a not-a-real email client and I can access it from wherever from my laptop too. And you can even integrate a standard mail client (e. g. Thunderbird) in this setting to have your mail done more comfortable, without interfering with what's already done. -- Polytropon From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: mail server/webmail
On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 1:44 AM, Polytropon free...@edvax.de wrote: On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 13:53:28 -0700, Liontaur liont...@gmail.com wrote: fetchmail, gotcha. I'll look into that. I'm using it myself and I'm still happy with it. The advantage is that you can use it for more than just one POP account. In this case that's not really needed, yet. But room for expansion in the future is always nice too. The Outlook Express deal is not for me, that's for another person who needs access to this email account and they happen to be very computer illiterate and being as they're used to OE, i'm not going to bother trying to teach them something new. As for me, I plan on just using webmail to access this email account. Then I'd suggest to install Mozilla Thunderbird and give it the Outlook Express icon. They won't notice any difference. But recipients of mails will - no double HTML garbage. :-) Webmail is not that bad (because important stuff is done in the background - the backend), but I prefer a real mail program. That's easy when you're at home or at work where you can access these resources, but webmail is very handy when you're at another place and still want to to your email stuff. Your idea of combining both (read: IMAP) is quite good. Well, i'm not exactly taken with the idea of changing out the mail client just for the sake of it. We don't display or send emails in html anyways since that's not such a good idea with OE. As for webmail... I never even thought about just using an email client on my laptop to access the server but that strikes me as a better idea too. No matter what I use i'd be tunneling it over SSH anyways so a mail client would probably have more functionality or at least i'd be more familiar with the functionality as opposed to webmail. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: mail server/webmail
Liontaur wrote: Hi folks, I was searching around but i'm not quite sure what i'm looking for. I want to have a program that gets the mail from my ISP mail server (pop), stores the mail permanently, allows me webmail access, and also lets me grab the mail with a mail client (Outlook Express). I'd like to be able to sync the mail with outlook express also. Like if I send a mail over webmail, that sent mail will also go into the sent box in outlook express, or conversly, perhaps store all the mail on the server and have outlook express just show the folders and contents stored on the server. But i'd have to somehow upload all of the mail currently in my outlook express. I'll also need some kind of spam functionality as I get a sizable amount of spam. Currently I use K9 for spam and I quite like it. I guess you could start to look in the area of: - /usr/ports/mail/fetchmail (to fetch/store the mail) - /usr/ports/mail/dovecot (for access to the mail via imap) - /usr/ports/mail/squirremail or roundcube (webmail w/ imap) - /usr/ports/www/apache22 for the webmail As you're then using IMAP, any client that connects to dovecot will get the same set of mailfolders (sync). -- Frederique ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: mail server/webmail
On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 10:39:26 -0700, Liontaur liont...@gmail.com wrote: I want to have a program that gets the mail from my ISP mail server (pop), stores the mail permanently, This would be a task for fetchmail. It stores the mail in mbox format in /var/mail/$USER, so you can chose any mail program to incorporate them. allows me webmail access, and also lets me grab the mail with a mail client (Outlook Express). Repeat after me: Outlook Express is NOT a mail client. :-) I'd like to be able to sync the mail with outlook express also. Maybe you can get Redmond to give you the source code of their... erm... stuff, so you can see how to interact with it. :-) I would suggest to use a standardized application, such as M2 of Opera or Mozilla Thunderbird, or Sylpheed-Claws, or pine, or mutt... there are many, and some of them are even available in Windows. Because they're using standard mbox files for the mail messages, syncing them is quite easy, because it can automatically be done on a per-file basis. Another advantage of sticking to standards is that you can instruct different mail applications to use the same mbox files for their operations, in mixed mode, e. g. use Opera's M2 today, Thunderbird tomorrow, and Sylpheed-Claws at the weekend. Like if I send a mail over webmail, that sent mail will also go into the sent box in outlook express, I can't imagine how this should be possible. Call the MICROS~1 hotline and ask them. :-) or conversly, perhaps store all the mail on the server and have outlook express just show the folders and contents stored on the server. But i'd have to somehow upload all of the mail currently in my outlook express. I'll also need some kind of spam functionality as I get a sizable amount of spam. Currently I use K9 for spam and I quite like it. Under certain circumstances, it looks like a job for an IMAP solution. Note that most of the things you've mentioned are possible with standard UNIX mail applications, because many stuff can be done on a per-file basis. Regarding the part of a web interface, I'm sure there are free webmailers that you can run on your server. If your machine is not a server, your idea with keeping local files and server files in sync is excellent. There are good programs that cope with spam, such as SpamAssassin, or simple filter rules in your preferred mail application. Thanks for any help you can offer folks! Well, I know that my comment isn't much help, but maybe you find a starting point in it, and if it's only to start *not* using Outlook Express, because it solves nothing. :-) -- Polytropon From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: mail server/webmail
Frederique Rijsdijk wrote: Liontaur wrote: Hi folks, I was searching around but i'm not quite sure what i'm looking for. I want to have a program that gets the mail from my ISP mail server (pop), stores the mail permanently, allows me webmail access, and also lets me grab the mail with a mail client (Outlook Express). I'd like to be able to sync the mail with outlook express also. Like if I send a mail over webmail, that sent mail will also go into the sent box in outlook express, or conversly, perhaps store all the mail on the server and have outlook express just show the folders and contents stored on the server. But i'd have to somehow upload all of the mail currently in my outlook express. I'll also need some kind of spam functionality as I get a sizable amount of spam. Currently I use K9 for spam and I quite like it. I guess you could start to look in the area of: - /usr/ports/mail/fetchmail (to fetch/store the mail) - /usr/ports/mail/dovecot (for access to the mail via imap) - /usr/ports/mail/squirremail or roundcube (webmail w/ imap) - /usr/ports/www/apache22 for the webmail As you're then using IMAP, any client that connects to dovecot will get the same set of mailfolders (sync). -- Frederique I've not used roundcube, but horde imp is a also an IMAP webmail client, and I find to be be a much better client than squirrelmail. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: mail server/webmail
Polytropon wrote: On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 10:39:26 -0700, Liontaur liont...@gmail.com wrote: I'd like to be able to sync the mail with outlook express also. Maybe you can get Redmond to give you the source code of their... erm... stuff, so you can see how to interact with it. :-) At least one person here, and it may well be me, is somewhat confused. Outlook Outlook Express Not even close. And while I personally would not pick Outlook Express as a POP/IMAP client, it is pretty standards based. Outlook talking to an Exchange server is an entirely different matter. At least that was the lay of the land the last time I was forced to pay close attention to Microsoft e-mail clients. -- --Jon Radel j...@radel.com smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: mail server/webmail
On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 14:49:01 -0400, Jon Radel j...@radel.com wrote: At least one person here, and it may well be me, is somewhat confused. Outlook Outlook Express Maybe. The original question included no reference to Outlook but Outlook Express. Forgive me my lack of knowledge, but I've never used one of these products (as I have not used any product by MICROS~1). Not even close. I've been told so. And while I personally would not pick Outlook Express as a POP/IMAP client, it is pretty standards based. Outlook talking to an Exchange server is an entirely different matter. It wasn't clear what solution the poster initially expected, but more and more I think IMAP would be the way to go. So there's not much responsibility on the MICROS~1 side (which is good). An IMAP system is quite easily set up with FreeBSD, and there have already been good advices which programs to employ for this purpose. The client on the user's site doesn't matter much, as long as it does the IMAP communications. At least that was the lay of the land the last time I was forced to pay close attention to Microsoft e-mail clients. As I said, I never payed any attention to them, because I don't consider them mail clients, but a bad excuse for not being one. :-) -- Polytropon From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: mail server/webmail
On Thu, 2009-04-23 at 13:30 -0500, Adam Vande More wrote: Frederique Rijsdijk wrote: Liontaur wrote: Hi folks, I was searching around but i'm not quite sure what i'm looking for. I want to have a program that gets the mail from my ISP mail server (pop), stores the mail permanently, allows me webmail access, and also lets me grab the mail with a mail client (Outlook Express). I'd like to be able to sync the mail with outlook express also. Like if I send a mail over webmail, that sent mail will also go into the sent box in outlook express, or conversly, perhaps store all the mail on the server and have outlook express just show the folders and contents stored on the server. But i'd have to somehow upload all of the mail currently in my outlook express. I'll also need some kind of spam functionality as I get a sizable amount of spam. Currently I use K9 for spam and I quite like it. I guess you could start to look in the area of: - /usr/ports/mail/fetchmail (to fetch/store the mail) - /usr/ports/mail/dovecot (for access to the mail via imap) - /usr/ports/mail/squirremail or roundcube (webmail w/ imap) - /usr/ports/www/apache22 for the webmail As you're then using IMAP, any client that connects to dovecot will get the same set of mailfolders (sync). -- Frederique I've not used roundcube, but horde imp is a also an IMAP webmail client, and I find to be be a much better client than squirrelmail. _ Take a look at Hastymail too .. (version 2, because the port is still version 1) http://www.hastymail.org/ __ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org -- Julien Cigar Belgian Biodiversity Platform http://www.biodiversity.be Université Libre de Bruxelles (ULB) Campus de la Plaine CP 257 Bâtiment NO, Bureau 4 N4 115C (Niveau 4) Boulevard du Triomphe, entrée ULB 2 B-1050 Bruxelles Mail: jci...@ulb.ac.be @biobel: http://biobel.biodiversity.be/person/show/471 Tel : 02 650 57 52 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: mail server/webmail
On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 13:49, Jon Radel j...@radel.com wrote: Polytropon wrote: On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 10:39:26 -0700, Liontaur liont...@gmail.com wrote: I'd like to be able to sync the mail with outlook express also. Maybe you can get Redmond to give you the source code of their... erm... stuff, so you can see how to interact with it. :-) At least one person here, and it may well be me, is somewhat confused. Outlook Outlook Express Not even close. And while I personally would not pick Outlook Express as a POP/IMAP client, it is pretty standards based. I would not say that O.E. is standards based at all. MICROS~1 does what they want, standards be damned Outlook talking to an Exchange server is an entirely different matter. At least that was the lay of the land the last time I was forced to pay close attention to Microsoft e-mail clients. -- --Jon Radel j...@radel.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: mail server/webmail
On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 11:26 AM, Polytropon free...@edvax.de wrote: On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 10:39:26 -0700, Liontaur liont...@gmail.com wrote: I want to have a program that gets the mail from my ISP mail server (pop), stores the mail permanently, This would be a task for fetchmail. It stores the mail in mbox format in /var/mail/$USER, so you can chose any mail program to incorporate them. fetchmail, gotcha. I'll look into that. allows me webmail access, and also lets me grab the mail with a mail client (Outlook Express). Repeat after me: Outlook Express is NOT a mail client. :-) The Outlook Express deal is not for me, that's for another person who needs access to this email account and they happen to be very computer illiterate and being as they're used to OE, i'm not going to bother trying to teach them something new. As for me, I plan on just using webmail to access this email account. or conversly, perhaps store all the mail on the server and have outlook express just show the folders and contents stored on the server. But i'd have to somehow upload all of the mail currently in my outlook express. I'll also need some kind of spam functionality as I get a sizable amount of spam. Currently I use K9 for spam and I quite like it. Under certain circumstances, it looks like a job for an IMAP solution. Note that most of the things you've mentioned are possible with standard UNIX mail applications, because many stuff can be done on a per-file basis. Regarding the part of a web interface, I'm sure there are free webmailers that you can run on your server. If your machine is not a server, your idea with keeping local files and server files in sync is excellent. There are good programs that cope with spam, such as SpamAssassin, or simple filter rules in your preferred mail application. IMAP, gotcha. And yea, the idea is to run this stuff on a FreeBSD server i've got running just for little tasks like this, then the windows workstation can access it with a not-a-real email client and I can access it from wherever from my laptop too. Thanks for any help you can offer folks! Well, I know that my comment isn't much help, but maybe you find a starting point in it, and if it's only to start *not* using Outlook Express, because it solves nothing. :-) Oh your comments are helpful, I don't care what everyone else says ;) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: mail server/webmail
Frederique Rijsdijk wrote: Liontaur wrote: Hi folks, I was searching around but i'm not quite sure what i'm looking for. I want to have a program that gets the mail from my ISP mail server (pop), stores the mail permanently, allows me webmail access, and also lets me grab the mail with a mail client (Outlook Express). I'd like to be able to sync the mail with outlook express also. Like if I send a mail over webmail, that sent mail will also go into the sent box in outlook express, or conversly, perhaps store all the mail on the server and have outlook express just show the folders and contents stored on the server. But i'd have to somehow upload all of the mail currently in my outlook express. I'll also need some kind of spam functionality as I get a sizable amount of spam. Currently I use K9 for spam and I quite like it. I guess you could start to look in the area of: - /usr/ports/mail/fetchmail (to fetch/store the mail) - /usr/ports/mail/dovecot (for access to the mail via imap) - /usr/ports/mail/squirremail or roundcube (webmail w/ imap) - /usr/ports/www/apache22 for the webmail As you're then using IMAP, any client that connects to dovecot will get the same set of mailfolders (sync). If one is going that far, I'd recommend: http://www.thenetworkpeople.biz/internet/mail/toaster/ I've been using them for many years, for thousands of accounts across hundreds of domains, and it just works. Steve ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
RE: mail server
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Karlos Linale Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 10:20 AM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: mail server Hello, I was wondering if you could help me. For some reason I keep getting hundreds of emails on my mail server spool which are being sent to your email address. Are you able to tell me how and why this is happening? Google Backscatter Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mail server DNS configuration questions
Andrew Falanga wrote: ... While diagnosing this, I connect to the server (using Putty) from a machine in PN1, using either a mail client or telnet I'm unable to make a connection to the mail server over port 25. Using tcpdump during this putty session I do not even see the SYN packets for the start of the connection from the machines in PN1. This is only when connecting to port 25. Obviously, I can connect to the server because I'm using ... Are you sure CableOne does not filter outgoing port 25 connection attempts to any servers save it's own relay? My ISP (A big name DSL provider; grep the headers if curious) does not perform incoming port filtering, but rather aggressively filters outbound TCP port 25 and (for reasons unexplained) as well. -- Fuzzy love, -CyberLeo Technical Administrator CyberLeo.Net Webhosting http://www.CyberLeo.Net [EMAIL PROTECTED] Furry Peace! - http://.fur.com/peace/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mail server DNS configuration questions
Patrick Mahan wrote: Andrew Falanga presented these words - circa 9/6/08 6:28 PM- Hi, Well, my clients at church are still having issues and after working with George, a respondant to my original questions, I think that most, if not all, of my problems are related to DNS and how we've got it improperly configured. First, a crude drawing of how our mail server exists in the world: 192.168.2.x/24 72.24.23.252 lot's of networks Private Network -- CableOne -- Internet Now, our mail server's IP is 192.168.2.23. On the router, he (the person at whose house the mail server is) has IP forwarding setup so that mail get's sent to our FreeBSD machine. Using dig, here's the responses: (from my FBSD machine at home, not the server) [/usr/home/andy] - dig +short -t MX whitneybaptist.org 10 mail.whitneybaptist.org. [/usr/home/andy] - dig +short -t A whitneybaptist.org 72.24.34.252 [/usr/home/andy] - dig +short -x 72.24.34.252 34-252.72-24-cpe.cableone.net. (from the church FBSD machine) [/home/afalanga] - hostname whitbap [/home/afalanga] - ifconfig fxp0 fxp0: flags=8843UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST mtu 1500 options=8VLAN_MTU inet 192.168.2.23 netmask 0xff00 broadcast 255.255.255.255 ether 00:d0:b7:74:87:48 media: Ethernet autoselect (100baseTX full-duplex) status: active [/home/afalanga] - cat /etc/resolv.conf search McCutchanLAN nameserver 192.168.2.1 It doesn't take a rocket scientist, or a computer scientist, to figure out we've got DNS issues. I'm thinking that I should setup a domain within the 192.168.2.0/24 network on this box. I've done this before, at work. The question I've got is I've never actually integrated a domain like this to a domain on the Internet. I'm thinking that we'll setup something like: internal.whitneybaptist.org with hosts in that sub-domain. First, what are you trying to accomplish with the internal DNS? Make it easier to resolve machines in the 192.168.2.0 network? Allow lookups external of the 192.168.2.0 network? What machine is 'mail.whitneybaptist.com'? Is it on the 192.168.2.0 network? Is it reachable from the Internet? Who is the owner of whitneybaptist.org DNS zone? I show the following NS servers: [EMAIL PROTECTED]/src/MPS/DocDownload 140 dig +short -t NS whitneybaptist.org ns1.domaindirect.com. ns2.domaindirect.com. ns3.domaindirect.com. Which is administered by tucows.com (Tucows, Inc) a seller of DNS services. So, what would my DNS tables need to look like to make this happen. Also, to any knowledgable souls here, what RFCs address these issues? You can read the RFC's if you want, but you would be better served to purchase DNS and BIND, Fourth Edition, by Paul Albitz Cricket Liu to learn how to administer DNS. Patrick It's been quite some time since I last looked at that book. It was at edition 3 then, and owned by the company I worked for so I didn't get to keep it. I'll have to look into it. Andy ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mail server DNS configuration questions
George Davidovich wrote: On Sat, Sep 06, 2008 at 07:28:28PM -0600, Andrew Falanga wrote: Well, my clients at church are still having issues and after working with George, a respondant to my original questions, I think that most, if not all, of my problems are related to DNS and how we've got it improperly configured. First, a crude drawing of how our mail server exists in the world: 192.168.2.x/24 72.24.23.252 lot's of networks Private Network -- CableOne -- Internet Now, our mail server's IP is 192.168.2.23. On the router, he (the person at whose house the mail server is) has IP forwarding setup so that mail get's sent to our FreeBSD machine. Using dig, here's the responses: (from my FBSD machine at home, not the server) [/usr/home/andy] - dig +short -t MX whitneybaptist.org 10 mail.whitneybaptist.org. [/usr/home/andy] - dig +short -t A whitneybaptist.org 72.24.34.252 [/usr/home/andy] - dig +short -x 72.24.34.252 34-252.72-24-cpe.cableone.net. (from the church FBSD machine) [/home/afalanga] - hostname whitbap [/home/afalanga] - ifconfig fxp0 fxp0: flags=8843UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST mtu 1500 options=8VLAN_MTU inet 192.168.2.23 netmask 0xff00 broadcast 255.255.255.255 ether 00:d0:b7:74:87:48 media: Ethernet autoselect (100baseTX full-duplex) status: active [/home/afalanga] - cat /etc/resolv.conf search McCutchanLAN nameserver 192.168.2.1 It doesn't take a rocket scientist, or a computer scientist, to figure out we've got DNS issues. I'm thinking that I should setup a domain within the 192.168.2.0/24 network on this box. I've done this before, at work. The question I've got is I've never actually integrated a domain like this to a domain on the Internet. I'm thinking that we'll setup something like: internal.whitneybaptist.org with hosts in that sub-domain. So, what would my DNS tables need to look like to make this happen. Also, to any knowledgable souls here, what RFCs address these issues? Hello again, Andy. What you're asking is actually a FAQ, but I'll spell things out anyway. The following excerpt from RFC 1918 is most relevant: If an enterprise uses the private address space, or a mix of private and public address spaces, then DNS clients outside of the enterprise should not see addresses in the private address space used by the enterprise, since these addresses would be ambiguous. One way to ensure this is to run two authority servers for each DNS zone containing both publically and privately addressed hosts. One server would be visible from the public address space and would contain only the subset of the enterprise's addresses which were reachable using public addresses. The other server would be reachable only from the private network and would contain the full set of data, including the private addresses and whatever public addresses are reachable the private network. In order to ensure consistency, both servers should be configured from the same data of which the publically visible zone only contains a filtered version. There is certain degree of additional complexity associated with providing these capabilities. That's a roundabout way of saying you can't mix and match private non-routable addresses with public addresses in the same namespace. Note the authoritative part. Until CableOne delegates your assigned netblock to your organisation, your public DNS server will not be authoritative (it currently isn't!) for 72.24.34.252. You can reference RFC 2317 (classless in-addr.arpa delegation) for how that works. As to why you must be authoritative, I've already pointed out off-list how Bad Things can happen when you're not, especially in regards to email where reverse lookups are integral to How Things Work. I could be wrong, but I think they've done something like this. I administered DNS on an OpenBSD machine (2 of them actually) back in 2000-2001. Since then, I've done nothing with DNS administration. I'm wondering what I need to get from CableOne to get this done. Here's the result of a dig, on that mail server, for the IP address 72.24.34.252: [/home/afalanga] - dig -x 72.24.34.252 ; DiG 9.3.3 -x 72.24.34.252 ;; global options: printcmd ;; Got answer: ;; -HEADER- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 19747 ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 2, ADDITIONAL: 2 ;; QUESTION SECTION: ;252.34.24.72.in-addr.arpa. IN PTR ;; ANSWER SECTION: 252.34.24.72.in-addr.arpa. 86333 IN PTR 34-252.72-24-cpe.cableone.net. ;; AUTHORITY SECTION: 24.72.in-addr.arpa. 75566 IN NS NS1.cableone.net. 24.72.in-addr.arpa. 75566 IN NS NS2.cableone.net. ;; ADDITIONAL SECTION: NS1.cableone.net. 3507IN A 24.116.0.201 NS2.cableone.net. 69544 IN A
Re: mail server DNS configuration questions
Sahil Tandon wrote: Andrew Falanga [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It doesn't take a rocket scientist, or a computer scientist, to figure out we've got DNS issues. What exactly is the problem though? What problems are you having on the mail server that lead you to the above conclusion? Clients in the churches private network cannot send mail using this server, though they can receive mail from it (POP). The church has a private network, PN1, and the mail server sits at a church members house because he has a static IP address; let's call that PN2. The router at his house is setup to forward traffic over port 25, and the POP port, to this server. Also, just to further clarify, the Internet separates these two Private Networks. However, this may not be entirely true as I think about it because at both locations, the ISP is CableOne using cable broadband. So, though technically part of the Internet, the traffic shouldn't leave the CableOne domain. Also, of interest, is that another of our pastors uses CableOne at home and is unable to send e-mail using the churches server from home. However, from a coffee shop in town, that our pastors frequent, they are able to send mail. It is my understanding that this coffee shop does not use CableOne. So, just to make sure everyone's got it, the mail server sits in PN2. While diagnosing this, I connect to the server (using Putty) from a machine in PN1, using either a mail client or telnet I'm unable to make a connection to the mail server over port 25. Using tcpdump during this putty session I do not even see the SYN packets for the start of the connection from the machines in PN1. This is only when connecting to port 25. Obviously, I can connect to the server because I'm using putty. Also, I can see the SYN packets for the start of the connection when this same machine in PN1 attempts to connect to port 80. The problem seems to be when trying to connect over port 25. For some reason, the packets aren't being delivered to that address (72.24.34.252). This happens if I try to telnet to mail.whitneybaptist.org or telnet to 72.24.34.252 on port 25. The packets aren't being delivered. They're being sent somewhere else, or lost in digital purgatory. Now, from home (my home) let's call this PN3, I can send/receive mail using the church e-mail server. I, however, don't use CableOne. Are there routers that route traffic based on port number? It's almost as if traffic, that originates within the CableOne domain and travels through, but not outside, the CableOne domain, doesn't get routed to the correct address when it's destined for port 25. Andy ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mail server DNS configuration questions
Andrew Falanga wrote: Clients in the churches private network cannot send mail using this server, though they can receive mail from it (POP). The church has a private network, PN1, and the mail server sits at a church members house because he has a static IP address; let's call that PN2. The router at his house is setup to forward traffic over port 25, and the POP port, to this server. Also, just to further clarify, the Internet separates these two Private Networks. However, this may not be entirely true as I think about it because at both locations, the ISP is CableOne using cable broadband. So, though technically part of the Internet, the traffic shouldn't leave the CableOne domain. Also, of interest, is that another of our pastors uses CableOne at home and is unable to send e-mail using the churches server from home. However, from a coffee shop in town, that our pastors frequent, they are able to send mail. It is my understanding that this coffee shop does not use CableOne. So, just to make sure everyone's got it, the mail server sits in PN2. While diagnosing this, I connect to the server (using Putty) from a machine in PN1, using either a mail client or telnet I'm unable to make a connection to the mail server over port 25. Using tcpdump during this putty session I do not even see the SYN packets for the start of the connection from the machines in PN1. This is only when connecting to port 25. Obviously, I can connect to the server because I'm using putty. Also, I can see the SYN packets for the start of the connection when this same machine in PN1 attempts to connect to port 80. The problem seems to be when trying to connect over port 25. For some reason, the packets aren't being delivered to that address (72.24.34.252). This happens if I try to telnet to mail.whitneybaptist.org or telnet to 72.24.34.252 on port 25. The packets aren't being delivered. They're being sent somewhere else, or lost in digital purgatory. Now, from home (my home) let's call this PN3, I can send/receive mail using the church e-mail server. I, however, don't use CableOne. Are there routers that route traffic based on port number? It's almost as if traffic, that originates within the CableOne domain and travels through, but not outside, the CableOne domain, doesn't get routed to the correct address when it's destined for port 25. So a common thread is that traffic on the ISP's net isn't going out via yourserver.com:25 --- would seem to indicate port blocking, which is quite common for port 25. Tried 587 or some weird alternate? Kevin Kinsey -- If the odds are a million to one against something occurring, chances are 50-50 it will. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mail server DNS configuration questions
Andrew Falanga presented these words - circa 9/6/08 6:28 PM- Hi, Well, my clients at church are still having issues and after working with George, a respondant to my original questions, I think that most, if not all, of my problems are related to DNS and how we've got it improperly configured. First, a crude drawing of how our mail server exists in the world: 192.168.2.x/24 72.24.23.252 lot's of networks Private Network -- CableOne -- Internet Now, our mail server's IP is 192.168.2.23. On the router, he (the person at whose house the mail server is) has IP forwarding setup so that mail get's sent to our FreeBSD machine. Using dig, here's the responses: (from my FBSD machine at home, not the server) [/usr/home/andy] - dig +short -t MX whitneybaptist.org 10 mail.whitneybaptist.org. [/usr/home/andy] - dig +short -t A whitneybaptist.org 72.24.34.252 [/usr/home/andy] - dig +short -x 72.24.34.252 34-252.72-24-cpe.cableone.net. (from the church FBSD machine) [/home/afalanga] - hostname whitbap [/home/afalanga] - ifconfig fxp0 fxp0: flags=8843UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST mtu 1500 options=8VLAN_MTU inet 192.168.2.23 netmask 0xff00 broadcast 255.255.255.255 ether 00:d0:b7:74:87:48 media: Ethernet autoselect (100baseTX full-duplex) status: active [/home/afalanga] - cat /etc/resolv.conf search McCutchanLAN nameserver 192.168.2.1 It doesn't take a rocket scientist, or a computer scientist, to figure out we've got DNS issues. I'm thinking that I should setup a domain within the 192.168.2.0/24 network on this box. I've done this before, at work. The question I've got is I've never actually integrated a domain like this to a domain on the Internet. I'm thinking that we'll setup something like: internal.whitneybaptist.org with hosts in that sub-domain. First, what are you trying to accomplish with the internal DNS? Make it easier to resolve machines in the 192.168.2.0 network? Allow lookups external of the 192.168.2.0 network? What machine is 'mail.whitneybaptist.com'? Is it on the 192.168.2.0 network? Is it reachable from the Internet? Who is the owner of whitneybaptist.org DNS zone? I show the following NS servers: [EMAIL PROTECTED]/src/MPS/DocDownload 140 dig +short -t NS whitneybaptist.org ns1.domaindirect.com. ns2.domaindirect.com. ns3.domaindirect.com. Which is administered by tucows.com (Tucows, Inc) a seller of DNS services. So, what would my DNS tables need to look like to make this happen. Also, to any knowledgable souls here, what RFCs address these issues? You can read the RFC's if you want, but you would be better served to purchase DNS and BIND, Fourth Edition, by Paul Albitz Cricket Liu to learn how to administer DNS. Patrick ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mail server DNS configuration questions
On Sat, 6 Sep 2008 19:28:28 -0600 Andrew Falanga [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Well, my clients at church are still having issues and after working with George, a respondant to my original questions, I think that most, if not all, of my problems are related to DNS and how we've got it improperly configured. First, a crude drawing of how our mail server exists in the world: 192.168.2.x/24 72.24.23.252 lot's of networks Private Network -- CableOne -- Internet Now, our mail server's IP is 192.168.2.23. On the router, he (the person at whose house the mail server is) has IP forwarding setup so that mail get's sent to our FreeBSD machine. ... It doesn't take a rocket scientist, or a computer scientist, to figure out we've got DNS issues. I'm thinking that I should setup a domain within the 192.168.2.0/24 network on this box. This has little to do with DNS, and there's nothing obviously wrong. The router has the routable IP address and is forwarding incoming port 25 tcp connections to the real mail server using NAT. As far as the internet side is concerned your entire network has to look like a single server, so the mailserver has to pretend to be running on the router, and announce itself as mail.whitneybaptist.org. You'll probably need to pass your outgoing mail through another mail server to avoid its being rejected though. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mail server DNS configuration questions
Andrew Falanga wrote: *Not having* a reverse entry for a mail server is often the cause of issues. This I do know very well. I had similar problems when running a sendmail backup spooler for Syracuse Networks back in 2000. The eventual solution was that our ISP delegated control of our subnet to us. I'm wondering if something similar must be done on the internal network, i.e. 192.168.2.0/24. Perhaps I shouldn't have eluded to the problems that my clients are experiencing. The real question is, should I configure a sub-domain under whitneybaptist.org for this server and if so, how to set it up? I'm interested as to why you got this answer to the host query you did. In my original mail, I provided the result of a reverse lookup on that IP address to which I got this response: [/usr/home/andy] - dig +short -x 72.24.34.252 34-252.72-24-cpe.cableone.net. Using host, on my machine, I get this response: [/usr/home/andy] - host 72.24.34.252 252.34.24.72.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer 34-252.72-24-cpe.cableone.net. Well, interestingly enough: [30] Sun 07.Sep.2008 DING! [EMAIL PROTECTED]/logs] host 72.24.34.252 252.34.24.72.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer 34-252.72-24-cpe.cableone.net. So something's changed in the last 12 hours, although I can't say exactly what. AFAIK, my DNS boxen and I were communicating Just Fine(tm) last night as well as this afternoon. Regardless of the fact that I got a response and you didn't, I'm still not getting the right information. The reverse mapping should be something like: 252.34.24.72.in-addr.arpa PTR mail.whitneybaptist.org. I may have gotten the syntax wrong as it's been a while since I've had to manipulate BIND name tables. And the RFC for ESMTP is #2821. Thanks for the RFC. Andy Well, at this point, I'd take the day off, and tomorrow perhaps have a dig at cableone's support ppl, looky here: [35] Sun 07.Sep.2008 14:03:43 [EMAIL PROTECTED]/logs] dig 72.24.34.1 ; DiG 9.4.2-P1 72.24.34.1 ;; global options: printcmd ;; Got answer: ;; -HEADER- opcode: QUERY, status: NXDOMAIN, id: 56668 ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 1, ADDITIONAL: 0 ;; QUESTION SECTION: ;72.24.34.1.IN A ;; AUTHORITY SECTION: . 3600IN SOA A.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. NSTLD.VERISIGN-GRS.COM. 2008090700 1800 900 604800 86400 ;; Query time: 222 msec ;; SERVER: 66.76.92.18#53(66.76.92.18) ;; WHEN: Sun Sep 7 14:03:50 2008 ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 103 So, it's obvious they're playing with this zone Right Now(tm), (more or less) as the SN seems to indicate today. Possible this is auto-generated or something, but I think you'll get no joy on the PTR records until they do something upstream. As for your internal net, I don't know much about it, unfortunately. KDK ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mail server DNS configuration questions
Andrew Falanga wrote: Hi, Well, my clients at church are still having issues and after working with George, a respondant to my original questions, I think that most, if not all, of my problems are related to DNS and how we've got it improperly configured. First, a crude drawing of how our mail server exists in the world: 192.168.2.x/24 72.24.23.252 lot's of networks Private Network -- CableOne -- Internet Now, our mail server's IP is 192.168.2.23. On the router, he (the person at whose house the mail server is) has IP forwarding setup so that mail get's sent to our FreeBSD machine. Using dig, here's the responses: (from my FBSD machine at home, not the server) [/usr/home/andy] - dig +short -t MX whitneybaptist.org 10 mail.whitneybaptist.org. [/usr/home/andy] - dig +short -t A whitneybaptist.org 72.24.34.252 [/usr/home/andy] - dig +short -x 72.24.34.252 34-252.72-24-cpe.cableone.net. (from the church FBSD machine) [/home/afalanga] - hostname whitbap [/home/afalanga] - ifconfig fxp0 fxp0: flags=8843UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST mtu 1500 options=8VLAN_MTU inet 192.168.2.23 netmask 0xff00 broadcast 255.255.255.255 ether 00:d0:b7:74:87:48 media: Ethernet autoselect (100baseTX full-duplex) status: active [/home/afalanga] - cat /etc/resolv.conf search McCutchanLAN nameserver 192.168.2.1 It doesn't take a rocket scientist, or a computer scientist, to figure out we've got DNS issues. I'm thinking that I should setup a domain within the 192.168.2.0/24 network on this box. I've done this before, at work. The question I've got is I've never actually integrated a domain like this to a domain on the Internet. I'm thinking that we'll setup something like: internal.whitneybaptist.org with hosts in that sub-domain. So, what would my DNS tables need to look like to make this happen. Also, to any knowledgable souls here, what RFCs address these issues? Thanks, Andy Andy, I'm not sure I'm DNS guru enough to answer all your questions, but --- you don't specify what problems are being experienced at the location, and, are you certain it's not about this? [25] Sat 06.Sep.2008 21:58:25 [EMAIL PROTECTED]/logs] host 72.24.34.252 Host 252.34.24.72.in-addr.arpa. not found: 3(NXDOMAIN) *Not having* a reverse entry for a mail server is often the cause of issues. And the RFC for ESMTP is #2821. HTH, Kevin Kinsey -- In Denver it is unlawful to lend your vacuum cleaner to your next-door neighbor. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mail server DNS configuration questions
Andrew Falanga [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It doesn't take a rocket scientist, or a computer scientist, to figure out we've got DNS issues. What exactly is the problem though? What problems are you having on the mail server that lead you to the above conclusion? -- Sahil Tandon [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mail server DNS configuration questions
--On September 6, 2008 7:28:28 PM -0600 Andrew Falanga [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Well, my clients at church are still having issues and after working with George, a respondant to my original questions, I think that most, if not all, of my problems are related to DNS and how we've got it improperly configured. First, a crude drawing of how our mail server exists in the world: 192.168.2.x/24 72.24.23.252 lot's of networks Private Network -- CableOne -- Internet Now, our mail server's IP is 192.168.2.23. On the router, he (the person at whose house the mail server is) has IP forwarding setup so that mail get's sent to our FreeBSD machine. Using dig, here's the responses: The 192.168.0.0/24 network is an IANA reserved network and **does not route** on the internet. You can send mail but you'll never be able to receive any. In order for you to receive email to that server, whatever device you've got in front of it (dsl router, for example) must be configured to hard code port 25 to your mail server so that all incoming mail to the public IP (72.24.23.252) will always go to the 192.168.2.23 address, which is the actual address of the mail server. Some mail servers will not receive mail if the IP of the mail server doesn't reverse. Yours does, so that shouldn't be a problem, *however* if they also try to talk to your mail server to verify that it's actually a mail server that will fail if you don't have port 25 hard coded. You don't say what the issues that you're having are, so that's my best guess about what's wrong. Paul Schmehl, If it isn't already obvious, my opinions are my own and not those of my employer. ** WARNING: Check the headers before replying
Re: mail server DNS configuration questions
On Sat, Sep 06, 2008 at 07:28:28PM -0600, Andrew Falanga wrote:
Well, my clients at church are still having issues and after working with
George, a respondant to my original questions, I think that most, if not all,
of my problems are related to DNS and how we've got it improperly configured.
First, a crude drawing of how our mail server exists in the world:
192.168.2.x/24 72.24.23.252 lot's of networks
Private Network -- CableOne -- Internet
Now, our mail server's IP is 192.168.2.23. On the router, he (the person at
whose house the mail server is) has IP forwarding setup so that mail get's
sent to our FreeBSD machine. Using dig, here's the responses:
(from my FBSD machine at home, not the server)
[/usr/home/andy] - dig +short -t MX whitneybaptist.org
10 mail.whitneybaptist.org.
[/usr/home/andy] - dig +short -t A whitneybaptist.org
72.24.34.252
[/usr/home/andy] - dig +short -x 72.24.34.252
34-252.72-24-cpe.cableone.net.
(from the church FBSD machine)
[/home/afalanga] - hostname
whitbap
[/home/afalanga] - ifconfig fxp0
fxp0: flags=8843UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST mtu 1500
options=8VLAN_MTU
inet 192.168.2.23 netmask 0xff00 broadcast 255.255.255.255
ether 00:d0:b7:74:87:48
media: Ethernet autoselect (100baseTX full-duplex)
status: active
[/home/afalanga] - cat /etc/resolv.conf
search McCutchanLAN
nameserver 192.168.2.1
It doesn't take a rocket scientist, or a computer scientist, to figure out
we've got DNS issues. I'm thinking that I should setup a domain within the
192.168.2.0/24 network on this box. I've done this before, at work. The
question I've got is I've never actually integrated a domain like this to a
domain on the Internet. I'm thinking that we'll setup something like:
internal.whitneybaptist.org with hosts in that sub-domain.
So, what would my DNS tables need to look like to make this happen. Also, to
any knowledgable souls here, what RFCs address these issues?
Hello again, Andy.
What you're asking is actually a FAQ, but I'll spell things out anyway.
The following excerpt from RFC 1918 is most relevant:
If an enterprise uses the private address space, or a mix of
private and public address spaces, then DNS clients outside of
the enterprise should not see addresses in the private address
space used by the enterprise, since these addresses would be
ambiguous. One way to ensure this is to run two authority
servers for each DNS zone containing both publically and
privately addressed hosts. One server would be visible from the
public address space and would contain only the subset of the
enterprise's addresses which were reachable using public
addresses. The other server would be reachable only from the
private network and would contain the full set of data,
including the private addresses and whatever public addresses
are reachable the private network. In order to ensure
consistency, both servers should be configured from the same
data of which the publically visible zone only contains a
filtered version. There is certain degree of additional
complexity associated with providing these capabilities.
That's a roundabout way of saying you can't mix and match private
non-routable addresses with public addresses in the same namespace.
Note the authoritative part. Until CableOne delegates your assigned
netblock to your organisation, your public DNS server will not be
authoritative (it currently isn't!) for 72.24.34.252. You can reference
RFC 2317 (classless in-addr.arpa delegation) for how that works. As to
why you must be authoritative, I've already pointed out off-list how Bad
Things can happen when you're not, especially in regards to email where
reverse lookups are integral to How Things Work.
As for other RFCs, I'd suggest instead starting with a careful reading
of the Bind ARM at http://www.isc.org/sw/bind/, followed by a once-over
of the Bind FAQ, and possibly the FreeBSD-supplied configuration files.
To save you some time, the following abbreviated context-specific
examples should explain things more clearly and get you started:
Example 1: Two domains and two separate (sets of) name servers:
On the ns.whitneybaptist.org machine:
zone whitneybaptist.org {
type master;
file master/whitneybaptist.org;
};
zone 252.34.24.72.in-addr.arpa {
type master;
file master/db.72.24.34.252;
};
On the ns.internal.whitneybaptist.org machine:
zone internal.whitneybaptist.org {
type master;
file master/internal.whitneybaptist.org;
};
zone 1.168.192.in-addr.arpa
Re: mail server from Windows to FreeBSD
On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 12:22:39PM +0200, Ivailo Bonev wrote: I have a Windows machine that get all e-mails, from few accounts, from different Internet providers. I want to setup FreeBSD machine that get all mails from accounts and remote and local users get their mails from that FreeBSD mail storage server. I don't own a domain or MX records. Ok. I read many docs in Intrernet, and now I have installed FreeBSD 7.0 RELEASE, with installed fetchmail port (to get mail from various accounts), Fetchmail is the right tool for the job. sendmail-sasl port, and dovecot for IMAP server. But now I'm lost, from where to start configuring FreeBSD mail server? IMHO postfix is easier to set up than sendmail, but the principles are the same. I would make users on the FreeBSD machine for everyone that needs to download mail from the machine. Use a non-existent home-directory and /usr/bin/nologin as the shell for these accounts. Use the virtual hosts feature to deliver mail for different addresses to local users. See e.g. http://mathforum.org/~sasha/tech/sendmailvhosts.html I haven't used dovecot, so I can't help you much with that. If your FreeBSD server and the windows clients are on a trusted private subnet, I would probably just use plain text authentication. And one last thing, how can deliver all mail messages from Outlook Express client from Windows machine to FreeBSD mail server machine? You can set the FreeBSD machine as the outgoing mail server in Outlook. But this might not work, depending on your set-up. If you relay the mail to your ISP's mailserver, it probably won't handle incoming mail from addresses outside his domain. Roland -- R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) pgpvxE3cXSKcZ.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: mail server from Windows to FreeBSD
On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 19:33:30 +0100 Roland Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 12:22:39PM +0200, Ivailo Bonev wrote: I have a Windows machine that get all e-mails, from few accounts, from different Internet providers. I want to setup FreeBSD machine that get all mails from accounts and remote and local users get their mails from that FreeBSD mail storage server. I don't own a domain or MX records. Ok. I read many docs in Intrernet, and now I have installed FreeBSD 7.0 RELEASE, with installed fetchmail port (to get mail from various accounts), Fetchmail is the right tool for the job. sendmail-sasl port, and dovecot for IMAP server. But now I'm lost, from where to start configuring FreeBSD mail server? IMHO postfix is easier to set up than sendmail, but the principles are the same. I would make users on the FreeBSD machine for everyone that needs to download mail from the machine. Use a non-existent home-directory and /usr/bin/nologin as the shell for these accounts. Use the virtual hosts feature to deliver mail for different addresses to local users. See e.g. http://mathforum.org/~sasha/tech/sendmailvhosts.html Use 'virtual' for all users, local or not if Postfix is employed. It makes setting up the system a whole lot easier and potentially more secure. I haven't used dovecot, so I can't help you much with that. If your FreeBSD server and the windows clients are on a trusted private subnet, I would probably just use plain text authentication. Setting up SSL/TLS on Postfix is really trivial. I use it myself. Again, it increases the security factor. And one last thing, how can deliver all mail messages from Outlook Express client from Windows machine to FreeBSD mail server machine? You can set the FreeBSD machine as the outgoing mail server in Outlook. But this might not work, depending on your set-up. If you relay the mail to your ISP's mailserver, it probably won't handle incoming mail from addresses outside his domain. Unless there is some weird firewall, I don't see what the problem would be. Roland -- Gerard [EMAIL PROTECTED] Falling in love makes smoking pot all day look like the ultimate in restraint. Dave Sim, author of Cerebus signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: mail server from Windows to FreeBSD
On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 03:39:01PM -0400, Gerard wrote: And one last thing, how can deliver all mail messages from Outlook Express client from Windows machine to FreeBSD mail server machine? You can set the FreeBSD machine as the outgoing mail server in Outlook. But this might not work, depending on your set-up. If you relay the mail to your ISP's mailserver, it probably won't handle incoming mail from addresses outside his domain. Unless there is some weird firewall, I don't see what the problem would be. A lot of ISPs don't relay anymore because of spam. Say your ISP is foobar.com. Their mail server where clients can drop their outgoing mail will only accept mail coming from @foobar.com addresses. Since the original poster mentioned people collecting mail (and assumingly sending) from different ISPs (not the one the OP is on) they would run into this problem. Roland -- R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) pgpBwFOFWvy3p.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: mail server from Windows to FreeBSD
Hello Ivailo, This is possibly the best how to guide I have found which sets up postfix, dovecot, spamassassin, postfixadmin etc. Currently I have multiple domains which the mail server handles and they all have access either via webmail(Squirrelmail), IMAP pop. [1]http://www.purplehat.org/?page_id=4 Regards, ezat Ivailo Bonev wrote: Hello FreeBSDers, I have a Windows machine that get all e-mails, from few accounts, from different Internet providers. I want to setup FreeBSD machine that get all mails from accounts and remote and local users get their mails from that FreeBSD mail storage server. I don't own a domain or MX records. I read many docs in Intrernet, and now I have installed FreeBSD 7.0 RELEASE, with installed fetchmail port (to get mail from various accounts), sendmail-sasl port, and dovecot for IMAP server. But now I'm lost, from where to start configuring FreeBSD mail server? And one last thing, how can deliver all mail messages from Outlook Express client from Windows machine to FreeBSD mail server machine? Any help is appreciated! ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list [3]http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [4][EMAIL PROTECTED] References 1. http://www.purplehat.org/?page_id=4 2. mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org 3. http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions 4. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mail server questions
Zachary Welch wrote: Hello to all, BSD newbie here, running 6.2 on a core 2 quad system I built. I'm Trying to get a secure mail server going and running into some snags: First things first - After installing postfix (which seems to work when testing) and cyrus-sasl2, I opted for the Maildir/ config option in my main.cf but no ~/user/Maildir/ was every created. I also installed Dovecot IMAP and Procmail as I continued in the process thinking they might pick up the slack. Still no generated Maildir/. When I try to check /var/spool/mail, there are also no user folders present. Was there a step in the process I missed? Everything was installed from a freshly cvsup'd and portsnap'd ports tree with no compile errors to speak of. IIRC, I believe you have to create the Maildir directory using /usr/local/bin/maildirmake. -- Chess Griffin GPG Key: 0x0C7558C3 http://www.chessgriffin.com signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Mail server questions
On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 15:42:21 -0500 Zachary Welch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BSD newbie here, running 6.2 on a core 2 quad system I built. I'm Trying to get a secure mail server going and running into some snags: First things first - After installing postfix (which seems to work when testing) and cyrus-sasl2, I opted for the Maildir/ config option in my main.cf but no ~/user/Maildir/ was every created. I also installed Dovecot IMAP and Procmail as I continued in the process thinking they might pick up the slack. Still no generated Maildir/. When I try to check /var/spool/mail, there are also no user folders present. Was there a step in the process I missed? Everything was installed from a freshly cvsup'd and portsnap'd ports tree with no compile errors to speak of. You might be better served posting your questions regarding Postfix and Dovecot on their respective forums. You supply no configuration documentation and since my crystal ball is out for repairs, assisting you is mostly guesswork. You should start off by supplying the output of: postconf -n dovecot -n I would hold off on using Procmail until you get the rest of the system up and running. In fact, IMHO, I would hold off on using Procmail totally. Tip: Use Postfix as your delivery agent for starters. Once the mail is getting delivered properly, integrate Dovecot into the mix. -- Gerard [EMAIL PROTECTED] Winter is nature's way of saying, Up yours. Robert Byrne signature.asc Description: PGP signature
RE: mail server setup questions
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of DAve Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 10:29 AM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: mail server setup questions Don't wonder if qmail has flaws, go to CERT.org and search first for Sendmail, then Postfix, then Exim, then qmail. To say Anyone who even thinks that a piece of software that it 6 years old has no flaws had best re-think this., is simply FUD. He said no flaws, cert.org and friends only track security flaws, not other kinds of flaws. And cert.org and friends are only as good as the reports submitted to them. I would offer the suggestion that if every mail admin out there using qmail was not a mail expert, that it is unlikely that security flaws would be noticed or reported. In the last analysis, the absense of a particular piece of software from a security notification list is NOT proof that the software has no security flaws. You cannot prove a negative in this case. Ted PS I routinely use 6 year old software myself. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mail server setup questions
Thanks a lot for all your suggestions! I will probably still start from exim but at least I know now that the choice is not that critical, especially for a small home server. Thanks again, Andrey ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mail server setup questions - OT answer
On Thu, Sep 06, 2007 at 20:40 , [EMAIL PROTECTED] exclaimed Las Cucarachas entran, Pero no pueden salir, and then rambled on saying with: Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2007 13:28:59 -0400 From: DAve [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: mail server setup questions To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Bill Vermillion wrote: [much deleted to make just one OT comment - wjv] Dave said: We use Sendmail on our gateways for it's excellent milter support and versatile configuration. It has more knobs than a recording studio. Before I became self-employed in the computer arena I was a recording engineer. The Sphere Eclipse C [that I had a lot of input on the layout] had over 3000 knobs/switches on it's 12-foot width. [weight just under 2000 pounds] And the front panel alignment adjustments on my Studer A-800 24-track totalled about 800. The vast majority were used only for initial setups. Of course will all the options under Sendmail I suspect that you could get close to that number. Bill -- Bill Vermillion - bv @ wjv . com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: mail server setup questions
-Original Message- From: Jim Stapleton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 2:04 PM To: Ted Mittelstaedt Cc: Nikola Lecic; Russell E. Meek; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: mail server setup questions I would submit you think you do. For example, are you planning on putting a webmail interface on the server? A lot of people do. Well if you do and you put a scrap of CGI on there that has a hole in it a spammer can come along and cause that to relay mail from incoming http right into your mail queue. He doesen't need root access to do this. I have never stated interest in putting web mail up in my to-do list, and in fact, have explicitly stated at least once, I've no intention of doing that. To be blunt, I don't trust it. I only use it for things on which I don't care about the security (ex. reading mailing lists). I care about the security of my server. The usual procedure if you want to make webmail secure is to field the webmail server on a separate box. (that is what we do) Just about all webmail interfaces I've tried use IMAP or POP3 to communicate with the mailserver, in fact, very few can read the mailboxes directly. There are other reasons you might want to run a webinterface on the mailserver, however. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: mail server setup questions
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Eric Crist Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 1:21 PM To: Andrey Shuvikov Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: mail server setup questions On Sep 5, 2007, at 2:05 PMSep 5, 2007, Andrey Shuvikov wrote: Hi, I'm trying to set up a home mailserver with imap/web access. But I was going to use exim. Several people mentioned postfix here, but nobody named exim. Is it a matter of personal preference or is exim not suitable for this task? Andrey, I can't speak of exim or qmail, but I had used sendmail for nearly 10 years before switching to postfix. I switched was for support of virtual mail boxes, and better support for IMAP. Just a quick nit to pick here - delivering to virtual mailboxes is the job of the local delivery agent, not Sendmail. Many people have written scripts that deliver mail to mySQL databases, etc. to support virtual mailboxes, that work with Sendmail just fine. The IMAP server also has nothing whatsoever to do with sendmail, or any mail transfer agent for that matter. By definition, it's a completely separate server. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: mail server setup questions
-Original Message- From: Nikola Lecic [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 8:20 AM To: Ted Mittelstaedt Cc: Russell E. Meek; Jim Stapleton; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: mail server setup questions On Wed, 5 Sep 2007 01:22:12 -0700 Ted Mittelstaedt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Your reaction is facinating considering the location implied by your e-mail reply address. I can perhaps understand your adversion to the use of metaphors in language - God know the Serbian propagandists warped the metaphor beyond the breaking point in your history and perhaps now, there is a horror of them there that will take generations to dissipate. Congratulations. Thanks! Much appreciated! Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: mail server setup questions
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Nikola Lecic Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 11:13 AM To: Jerry McAllister Cc: Eray Aslan; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Ted Mittelstaedt Subject: Re: mail server setup questions I'm very disappointed that more official people on this list didn't say something like Ted, please respect our users from all countries, including those two countries you have mentioned Perhaps the silence might give you pause to consider? Very likely no one else considers themselves offended. Very likely that is because it was obvious to everyone else that no offense was ever intended. Very likely because everyone else also assumed that the idea of permitting non-nuclear states to buy nuclear warheads was universally regarded as a bad idea, and thus grasped the mailserver comparison instantly. Very likely because nobody understands what the problem is in the first place. That would include me, by the way. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: mail server setup questions
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Eric Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 12:12 PM To: Andrey Shuvikov Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: mail server setup questions Andrey Shuvikov wrote: Hi, I'm trying to set up a home mailserver with imap/web access. But I was going to use exim. Several people mentioned postfix here, but nobody named exim. Is it a matter of personal preference or is exim not suitable for this task? Exim is a capable mailer as is postfix. I think its mostly a matter of preference but I havent delved into Exim too much. Personally I run Postfix and Dovecot for my mail server setup. Roundcube does a nice job in providing a front end on the web for Dovecot. Roundcube has an interesting Macalike interface (Mac users love it) but it has it's problems. For one thing it doesen't display properly on many web browsers. Unfortunately, with webmail interfaces, you have to pick the problems you want to deal with, none of them are without warts. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mail server setup questions
On Thu, Sep 06, 2007 at 11:37:11AM +1000, Norberto Meijome wrote: On Wed, 5 Sep 2007 16:52:56 -0400 Bob Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In case I haven't made myself clear, I despise Qmail with a passion. I suppose it is suitable for people who like puzzles (as in What patches do I need to make this do something useful? or What third-party tool do I need to make sense out of these awful log files?) and who don't mind inflicting lots of unnecessary secondary spam on the rest of the world. Yes, I know there are _supposed_ to be patches that fix that problem, but (a) the one I've seen in action doesn't work very well, and (b) you shouldn't need to apply third-party patches to your mail server to make it do what it is supposed to do in the first place. I second all these points. I think it's probably better to use sendmail than qmail. Sendmail at least supports most (all?) SMTP / antispam related features, it is well documented , and configurable to the extreme (with the caveat that its configuration may be a bit daunting to the un-initiated :D). I just realised that qmail appears over and over in Linux distros, or at least on linux servers i've had to suffer... not sure the relationship there (in design / philosophy...)... and I am really NOT wanting to start a flame war. Just a thought that crossed my mind as I was reading this thread. I haven't seen enough production FreeBSD systems set up by others to have any impressions about whether Linux admins are more likely to use Qmail than FreeBSD admins. I do get the impression, however, that the Linux admins who choose Qmail tend to do so for much the same reason that MS Windows admins choose Exchange: they think it's easier, that setting it up is just a plug-and-play, point-and-click sort of exercise. The fact that it's sending and receiving emails within a couple hours (starting from a clean box) seems to be the sum total of their metric for ease of setup, and all the hassle and annoyance that follows doesn't even enter into it. Just as MS Exchange basically requires its own admin, but nobody cares for purposes of judging how easy it is as long as the thing is minimally running within a couple hours, Qmail is an invitation for disaster -- but nobody cares as long as they can judge it by its security and stability statistics in a default (if essentially useless) configuration, and as long as they can configure it via some kind of point-and-click web interface. That's my experience, anyway. If Qmail is more common among Linux admins, I tend to guess Webmin probably is as well. -- CCD CopyWrite Chad Perrin [ http://ccd.apotheon.org ] McCloctnick the Lucid: The first rule of magic is simple. Don't waste your time waving your hands and hopping when a rock or a club will do. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mail server setup questions
On Thu, Sep 06, 2007 at 05:23:13AM -0700, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Nikola Lecic Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 11:13 AM To: Jerry McAllister Cc: Eray Aslan; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Ted Mittelstaedt Subject: Re: mail server setup questions I'm very disappointed that more official people on this list didn't say something like Ted, please respect our users from all countries, including those two countries you have mentioned Perhaps the silence might give you pause to consider? Very likely no one else considers themselves offended. Very likely that is because it was obvious to everyone else that no offense was ever intended. Very likely because everyone else also assumed that the idea of permitting non-nuclear states to buy nuclear warheads was universally regarded as a bad idea, and thus grasped the mailserver comparison instantly. Very likely because nobody understands what the problem is in the first place. That would include me, by the way. . . . or maybe it's because this line of discussion looks ridiculous from both sides. Seriously. -- CCD CopyWrite Chad Perrin [ http://ccd.apotheon.org ] W. Somerset Maugham: The ability to quote is a serviceable substitute for wit. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mail server setup questions
On 9/5/07, Chad Perrin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Sep 06, 2007 at 11:37:11AM +1000, Norberto Meijome wrote: On Wed, 5 Sep 2007 16:52:56 -0400 Bob Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In case I haven't made myself clear, I despise Qmail with a passion. [...] I just realised that qmail appears over and over in Linux distros, or at least on linux servers i've had to suffer... not sure the relationship there (in design / philosophy...)... and I am really NOT wanting to start a flame war. Just a thought that crossed my mind as I was reading this thread. About five or seven years ago when sendmail was having a lot of security problems and people were looking for alternatives, qmail was reasonably well established and was widely recommended. So a lot of people switched to it (including the place where I now work), including several Linux distros. We were never very happy with it here, and I suspect that the reason it has such a following in the Linux world is either that they have never used an alternative (same reason Windows has so many fans), or to abandon it and move to something else would cause a sort of cognitive dissonance that prevents it from happening. I haven't seen enough production FreeBSD systems set up by others to have any impressions about whether Linux admins are more likely to use Qmail than FreeBSD admins. I do get the impression, however, that the Linux admins who choose Qmail tend to do so for much the same reason that MS Windows admins choose Exchange: they think it's easier, that setting it up is just a plug-and-play, point-and-click sort of exercise. The fact that it's sending and receiving emails within a couple hours (starting from a clean box) seems to be the sum total of their metric for ease of setup, and all the hassle and annoyance that follows doesn't even enter into it. For those people I recommend Courier. It was designed to be a drop-in replacement for Qmail, but without most of the flaws. The configuration files, for instance, are mostly the same. The biggest problem I've had when configuring Courier is that it tends to be overly determined to enforce RFC compliance and thus will not be friendly toward a lot of mail from various MS products. Find the configuration flag that turns off that behavior or users will complain about the results. The author makes a reasonable case for the default behavior (to do otherwise forces Courier to be non-compliant itself), but in the real world you have to be able to accept mail from MS products. I have used Courier at my previous job (about 200 users) and at home and I have no significant complaints. If you just need a basic server that will handle your personal email without requiring you to learn what amounts to a new programming language (as with Exim and a few others), it's a good choice. The full distribution includes a POP/IMAP server and a webmail system. Just be sure not to skip the README file, and follow the instructions for testing your installation step-by-step. I have NOT tried to set up intensive anti-spam measures on Courier, so I don't know what problems may be in store there, but I'm sure there is info at http://www.courier-mta.org I'm not really as evangelistic for Courier as I sound. As long as you stay away from Qmail you will probably be happy with whatever you use. I do recommend that you use something that supports Maildir style mailboxes, though. - Bob ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mail server setup questions
In the last exciting episode of the [EMAIL PROTECTED] saga on Thu, Sep 06, 2007 at 06:27 , [EMAIL PROTECTED] as heard to say: Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 11:37:11 +1000 From: Norberto Meijome [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: mail server setup questions To: Bob Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Andrey Shuvikov [EMAIL PROTECTED], freebsd-questions@freebsd.org On Wed, 5 Sep 2007 16:52:56 -0400 Bob Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In case I haven't made myself clear, I despise Qmail with a passion. I suppose it is suitable for people who like puzzles (as in What patches do I need to make this do something useful? or What third-party tool do I need to make sense out of these awful log files?) and who don't mind inflicting lots of unnecessary secondary spam on the rest of the world. Yes, I know there are _supposed_ to be patches that fix that problem, but (a) the one I've seen in action doesn't work very well, and (b) you shouldn't need to apply third-party patches to your mail server to make it do what it is supposed to do in the first place. I second all these points. I think it's probably better to use sendmail than qmail. Sendmail at least supports most (all?) SMTP / antispam related features, it is well documented , and configurable to the extreme (with the caveat that its configuration may be a bit daunting to the un-initiated :D). I just realised that qmail appears over and over in Linux distros, or at least on linux servers i've had to suffer... not sure the relationship there (in design / philosophy...)... and I am really NOT wanting to start a flame war. Just a thought that crossed my mind as I was reading this thread. Best, B I've been using sendmail for years, once it got stable, and I moved from Smail. This was on a SysV.3 from Esix. However one day I decided to see what all the hoopla over qmail was about. So I went into the ports and ran make. Much to my suprise, qmail installed 6 separate accounts in the pasword file. This was just with a make and NOT make install. That at the very least is very rude behaviour. And another problem with qmail from what I've read is that if you send mail to several people on the same server, instead of doing what all other MTA's do - and send ONE mail with all addresses, qmail will generate a separate email for each user - putting un-needed loads on your server and the recipients machine. And the last time the qmail tar file that you get when you run make has been changed was March 4, 2001. Anyone who even thinks that a piece of software that it 6 years old has no flaws had best re-think this. The last patches were in 2003. ISTR that I heard DJB speak at a Usenix conference many years ago and I was less than impressed with his I'm better than any of you attitude. Many seem to share that feeling - so consider me prejudiced. Bill -- Bill Vermillion - bv @ wjv . com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mail server setup questions
Bill Vermillion wrote: In the last exciting episode of the [EMAIL PROTECTED] saga on Thu, Sep 06, 2007 at 06:27 , [EMAIL PROTECTED] as heard to say: Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 11:37:11 +1000 From: Norberto Meijome [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: mail server setup questions To: Bob Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Andrey Shuvikov [EMAIL PROTECTED], freebsd-questions@freebsd.org On Wed, 5 Sep 2007 16:52:56 -0400 Bob Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In case I haven't made myself clear, I despise Qmail with a passion. I suppose it is suitable for people who like puzzles (as in What patches do I need to make this do something useful? or What third-party tool do I need to make sense out of these awful log files?) and who don't mind inflicting lots of unnecessary secondary spam on the rest of the world. Yes, I know there are _supposed_ to be patches that fix that problem, but (a) the one I've seen in action doesn't work very well, and (b) you shouldn't need to apply third-party patches to your mail server to make it do what it is supposed to do in the first place. I second all these points. I think it's probably better to use sendmail than qmail. Sendmail at least supports most (all?) SMTP / antispam related features, it is well documented , and configurable to the extreme (with the caveat that its configuration may be a bit daunting to the un-initiated :D). I just realised that qmail appears over and over in Linux distros, or at least on linux servers i've had to suffer... not sure the relationship there (in design / philosophy...)... and I am really NOT wanting to start a flame war. Just a thought that crossed my mind as I was reading this thread. Best, B I've been using sendmail for years, once it got stable, and I moved from Smail. This was on a SysV.3 from Esix. However one day I decided to see what all the hoopla over qmail was about. So I went into the ports and ran make. Much to my suprise, qmail installed 6 separate accounts in the pasword file. This was just with a make and NOT make install. That at the very least is very rude behaviour. And another problem with qmail from what I've read is that if you send mail to several people on the same server, instead of doing what all other MTA's do - and send ONE mail with all addresses, qmail will generate a separate email for each user - putting un-needed loads on your server and the recipients machine. And the last time the qmail tar file that you get when you run make has been changed was March 4, 2001. Anyone who even thinks that a piece of software that it 6 years old has no flaws had best re-think this. The last patches were in 2003. Don't wonder if qmail has flaws, go to CERT.org and search first for Sendmail, then Postfix, then Exim, then qmail. To say Anyone who even thinks that a piece of software that it 6 years old has no flaws had best re-think this., is simply FUD. ISTR that I heard DJB speak at a Usenix conference many years ago and I was less than impressed with his I'm better than any of you attitude. Many seem to share that feeling - so consider me prejudiced. We have run qmail for several years on FreeBSD quite well with few problems, none of which where related to the software, it's design, it's configuration, always it was Clam or SpamAssassin binding things up. It is stable, fast, secure, and provides abilities other MTAs do not. It is our first choice for a toaster or a mail list server. We use Sendmail on our gateways for it's excellent milter support and versatile configuration. It has more knobs than a recording studio. If we had a client with just a few domains and the need for their own MTA, we would install Postfix for it's ease of use. It's rock solid and easy to remember when you come back to it six months later. If your only tool is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail DAve -- Three years now I've asked Google why they don't have a logo change for Memorial Day. Why do they choose to do logos for other non-international holidays, but nothing for Veterans? Maybe they forgot who made that choice possible. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: mail server setup questions
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Russell E. Meek Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 5:20 PM To: Jim Stapleton Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: mail server setup questions Quoting Jim Stapleton [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I need a mail server to take incoming mail, and provide a pop3 (or better yet, SSLed POP3) connection. I've tried akpop3d and qmail, but have had less than brilliant success getting them functional. Could you all suggest to me what you use and a good web site for configuring it as it would be done in FreeBSD? Please cc me, as I have the list subscribed in digest mode. Thanks, -Jim Stapleton ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.tnpi.biz/internet/mail/toaster/ Perfection - and qmail based also. No, this isn't perfection. Jim (and Russell) let me point out one thing about solutions like this. Something like this is designed for people who don't know how to build a mailserver, to download some files, pull the trigger, and Blammo - instant mailserver. In short, a big black box that works as a mailserver. The problem is, however, that the only guy that really and truly knows how everthing works in that black box is the guy that wrote the black box - the author of toaster, himself. You, being the clueless admin who pulled the trigger, are not going to be instantly converted into a knowledgeable mail server admin by pulling the trigger. You are just going to be a clueless admin who now has a big powerful black box that can go kill people, just as easily as explode in his face. Kind of like the country of Iraq buying a nuclear device - they don't know what they have, don't know how to build it, and are not qualified at all to use it. If something in that black box goes kablooie - which sooner or later it will, since all mail systems have problems - you are going to be screwed over. If you have a small home mailserver with a couple of friends on it, a system like Toaster can be a real help - IF you install it, then spend months picking it apart, to learn how to not be a clueless admin. However if you install it then spend the next 3 months watching reruns of Lost, then assume you now know all there is to know about a mailserver, you are then a stupid fool. Or, if your an admin with a big string of mailservers already under your belt who is looking for interesting code bits he can steal to incorporate into his own mailservers, then Toaster is also of value. But if your just a guy looking for a quick gun to shoot a problem so he can go on to the next thing, then your just going to screw yourself with something like Toaster. You would be much better advised to build the mailserver from scratch. Sure, your mailserver won't have all the pretty graphs and admin interfaces that something like Toaster has. But, you will know how it works and the day you get a phone call and 400 users now can't get mail, you will know how to fix it. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mail server setup questions
On Tue, 4 Sep 2007 23:21:47 -0700 Ted Mittelstaedt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] Kind of like the country of Iraq buying a nuclear device - they don't know what they have, don't know how to build it, and are not qualified at all to use it. [...] Please save us from these words of wisdom. Your opinions about them and about competence and collective knowledge of world states are off-topic here. Such arrogancy and ignorance are very miserable. Nikola Lečić ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mail server setup questions
On Tue, 4 Sep 2007 18:03:20 -0400
Jim Stapleton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I need a mail server to take incoming mail, and provide a pop3 (or
better yet, SSLed POP3) connection.
Jim,
- incoming email + delivery : postfix . Really well documented. Haven't found a
feature not implemented. As secure as you configure it (unlike qmail which
implements a lot of security by axing features, so u need to add dubious
hacks...)
- dovecot : POP + IMAP, works quite well with ssl too
- webmail : i use roundcube, but there are plenty of options. All u need is
something that talks IMAP to your imap server
- amavis-new as glue for Spam assassin / other spam tagging system + clamav.
B
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RE: mail server setup questions
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Nikola Lecic Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 11:41 PM To: Ted Mittelstaedt Cc: Russell E. Meek; Jim Stapleton; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: mail server setup questions On Tue, 4 Sep 2007 23:21:47 -0700 Ted Mittelstaedt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] Kind of like the country of Iraq buying a nuclear device - they don't know what they have, don't know how to build it, and are not qualified at all to use it. [...] Please save us from these words of wisdom. Your opinions about them and about competence and collective knowledge of world states are off-topic here. Such arrogancy and ignorance are very miserable. Your reaction is facinating considering the location implied by your e-mail reply address. I can perhaps understand your adversion to the use of metaphors in language - God know the Serbian propagandists warped the metaphor beyond the breaking point in your history and perhaps now, there is a horror of them there that will take generations to dissipate. In any case, please rest assured I was not talking about nuclear weapons or Iraq, merely incompetent admins running mailservers that were beyond their capabilities. It was merely a metaphor. I would encourage you to get beyond your instinctual knee-jerk reaction against the metaphor, as it is widely used language device in virtually all languages and cultures in use by mankind today. No serious person would ever argue for the proposition that a non-nuclear country be allowed to purchase nuclear weapons, much less use them. As, no serious person should ever argue for clueless admins to run mailservers that they know nothing about. Never forget when you or anyone sets up a mailserver on the Internet you are putting a server online that can be used to cause a tremendous amount of damage to other mailservers on the Internet. It is a responsibility that should never be taken lightly. Far too many Windoze admins do this already. We as FreeBSD users do not need to emulate such disgusting behavior. Jim posted here asking for help, using words and language that gives serious doubt that he is competent to run a mailserver of any kind. It would be irresponsible in the extreme to tell him to run pell-mell into fielding a system that is way beyond his capabilities. His goal should be to gain competence as well as a mailserver, lest he cause serious problems on the Internet. We do NOT need one more misconfigured server on the Internet that is a spam or virus source. The best way for him to do this - and be a responsible network admin - is to start small, with individual pieces, and learn each subsystem. The worst way would be to drop a canned package in that he doesen't understand. It is to the list's credit that the vast majority of responses to Jim were to direct him to the individual packages - NOT to a toaster approach that would likely teach him nothing. Hopefully next time you will stick to addressing the topic of the responses and not get hung up on attacking an alliteration or some other language device that someone might use. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mail server setup questions
On 05.09.2007 11:22, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: [...] Your reaction is facinating considering the location implied by your e-mail reply address. I can perhaps understand your adversion to the use of metaphors in language - God know the Serbian propagandists warped the metaphor beyond the breaking point in your history and perhaps now, there is a horror of them there that will take generations to dissipate. This is clearly off topic on a technical list. [...] Hopefully next time you will stick to addressing the topic Good advice. I am sure you could have written your response without mentioning nuclear weapons, Iraq et al. -- Eray of the responses and not get hung up on attacking an alliteration or some other language device that someone might use. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mail server setup questions
On 05.09.2007 11:22, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: [...] Your reaction is facinating considering the location implied by your e-mail reply address. I can perhaps understand your adversion to the use of metaphors in language - God know the Serbian propagandists warped the metaphor beyond the breaking point in your history and perhaps now, there is a horror of them there that will take generations to dissipate. I thought were discussing the configuration of the mail server not your hatred toward us Serbs, Iraqis and God knows whom else. But then on the second thought maybe you are trying to teach us how to configure the spam filter. So how high should we set it? Only Serbs from Serbia can not send emails or even we Serbs who live in U. S? Are you coding now MailScanner-antiSerb version or MailScanner-antiIraqi version? [...] Hopefully next time you will stick to addressing the topic. We Serbs are certainly hopping for that! Sincerely, Predrag Punosevac Arizona ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mail server setup questions
Please, I didn't intend this to be a flame war - though thinking back, I guess I should have expected strong views on this. This is not the place for such agressiveness. The rest of this is for everyone Thank all of you for your suggestions, I'll look at them. This is a mail server for me and maybe a few friends. I plan on running incoming SMTP, maybe at some point outgoing (requiring authentication/SSL, definetly no relay), no relay, no webmail, POP, if possible only under SSL. I think there's enough here for me to do my research and get what I need. Thank you, -Jim Stapleton On 9/5/07, Ted Mittelstaedt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Nikola Lecic Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 11:41 PM To: Ted Mittelstaedt Cc: Russell E. Meek; Jim Stapleton; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: mail server setup questions On Tue, 4 Sep 2007 23:21:47 -0700 Ted Mittelstaedt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] Kind of like the country of Iraq buying a nuclear device - they don't know what they have, don't know how to build it, and are not qualified at all to use it. [...] Please save us from these words of wisdom. Your opinions about them and about competence and collective knowledge of world states are off-topic here. Such arrogancy and ignorance are very miserable. Your reaction is facinating considering the location implied by your e-mail reply address. I can perhaps understand your adversion to the use of metaphors in language - God know the Serbian propagandists warped the metaphor beyond the breaking point in your history and perhaps now, there is a horror of them there that will take generations to dissipate. In any case, please rest assured I was not talking about nuclear weapons or Iraq, merely incompetent admins running mailservers that were beyond their capabilities. It was merely a metaphor. I would encourage you to get beyond your instinctual knee-jerk reaction against the metaphor, as it is widely used language device in virtually all languages and cultures in use by mankind today. No serious person would ever argue for the proposition that a non-nuclear country be allowed to purchase nuclear weapons, much less use them. As, no serious person should ever argue for clueless admins to run mailservers that they know nothing about. Never forget when you or anyone sets up a mailserver on the Internet you are putting a server online that can be used to cause a tremendous amount of damage to other mailservers on the Internet. It is a responsibility that should never be taken lightly. Far too many Windoze admins do this already. We as FreeBSD users do not need to emulate such disgusting behavior. Jim posted here asking for help, using words and language that gives serious doubt that he is competent to run a mailserver of any kind. It would be irresponsible in the extreme to tell him to run pell-mell into fielding a system that is way beyond his capabilities. His goal should be to gain competence as well as a mailserver, lest he cause serious problems on the Internet. We do NOT need one more misconfigured server on the Internet that is a spam or virus source. The best way for him to do this - and be a responsible network admin - is to start small, with individual pieces, and learn each subsystem. The worst way would be to drop a canned package in that he doesen't understand. It is to the list's credit that the vast majority of responses to Jim were to direct him to the individual packages - NOT to a toaster approach that would likely teach him nothing. Hopefully next time you will stick to addressing the topic of the responses and not get hung up on attacking an alliteration or some other language device that someone might use. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mail server setup questions
Jim posted here asking for help, using words and language that gives serious doubt that he is competent to run a mailserver of any kind. Knowledgeable and competant are two different things. If I were not competant, I would not bother attempting to get that knowledge that I lack. I don't know the nitty gritty details about exactly what and how mail servers are encrypted. I don't know all the nitty gritty details about how everything talks and intercommunicates. I do know that that any time a password goes over the internet (not just LAN) it needs to be encrypted as securly as possible. I do know that mail (and other) servers should live in jails. I do know not to run an open relay (take email from any server to deliver to any server, without authentication, and plan to achieve this by only allowing incoming mail). I do know that there is no such thing as too much paranoia when setting up a server. I know to find out and learn what I don't know, rather than to just stumble along blindly. There, that about covers everything that I do/don't know. -Jim Stapleton ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mail server setup questions
Predrag Punosevac wrote: On 05.09.2007 11:22, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: [...] Your reaction is facinating considering the location implied by your e-mail reply address. I can perhaps understand your adversion to the use of metaphors in language - God know the Serbian propagandists warped the metaphor beyond the breaking point in your history and perhaps now, there is a horror of them there that will take generations to dissipate. I thought were discussing the configuration of the mail server not your hatred toward us Serbs, Iraqis and God knows whom else. But then on the second thought maybe you are trying to teach us how to configure the spam filter. So who high should we set it. Only Serbs from Serbia can not send emails or even we Serbs who live in U. S? Are you coding now MailScanner-antiSerb version or MailScanner-antiIraqi version? [...] Hopefully next time you will stick to addressing the topic. We Serbs are certainly hopping for that! Sincerely, Predrag Punosevac Arizona ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mail server setup questions
On Wednesday 05 September 2007 12:34:45 Jim Stapleton wrote: Thank all of you for your suggestions, I'll look at them. This is a mail server for me and maybe a few friends. I plan on running incoming SMTP, maybe at some point outgoing (requiring authentication/SSL, definetly no relay), no relay, no webmail, POP, if possible only under SSL. I think there's enough here for me to do my research and get what I need. Thank you, Don't rule out good old mail/qpopper just yet. Also, be aware that whichever solution you choose, there are scanners out there that won't hesitate to query port 110 with an account guesser, which can spawn many daemons depending on how fast your pop server handles it. You may wanna limit access to port 110 to you and your friends if that's possible or look into a pop server that can limit ammount of requests/second it accepts from host. -- Mel People using reply to all on lists, must think I need 2 copies. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mail server setup questions
On Wed, Sep 05, 2007 at 03:14:37AM -0700, Predrag Punosevac wrote: I thought were discussing the configuration of the mail server not your hatred toward us Serbs, Iraqis and God knows whom else. But then on the second thought maybe you are trying to teach us how to configure the spam filter. So who high should we set it. Only Serbs from Serbia can not send emails or even we Serbs who live in U. S? Are you coding now MailScanner-antiSerb version or MailScanner-antiIraqi version? This discussion has gotten thoroughly bizarre rather quickly. -- CCD CopyWrite Chad Perrin [ http://ccd.apotheon.org ] Larry Wall: A script is what you give the actors. A program is what you give the audience. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mail server setup questions
On Wed, 5 Sep 2007 01:22:12 -0700 Ted Mittelstaedt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Your reaction is facinating considering the location implied by your e-mail reply address. I can perhaps understand your adversion to the use of metaphors in language - God know the Serbian propagandists warped the metaphor beyond the breaking point in your history and perhaps now, there is a horror of them there that will take generations to dissipate. Congratulations. This is an international project and not your parochial meeting where you can discuss the knowledge gleaned from TV end enjoy such fascinating vocabulary and deductions related to someone's TLD. Please learn how to behave appropriately before you post. (A friendly advice: _please_ take some literature lessons in order to learn what is metaphor.) Nikola Lečić, Belgrade, Serbia ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mail server setup questions
Hi, 2007/9/5, Nikola Lecic [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Wed, 5 Sep 2007 01:22:12 -0700 Ted Mittelstaedt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Your reaction is facinating considering the location implied by your e-mail reply address. I can perhaps understand your adversion to the use of metaphors in language - God know the Serbian propagandists warped the metaphor beyond the breaking point in your history and perhaps now, there is a horror of them there that will take generations to dissipate. Congratulations. This is an international project and not your parochial meeting where you can discuss the knowledge gleaned from TV end enjoy such fascinating vocabulary and deductions related to someone's TLD. I wonder if all thread participants can relax a bit? I have always been impressed how friendly this list is. Have been watching this thread and cannot understand how it came that such a flame war broke out. Please cool down and stop sending rubbish to everyone's inbox. Continue off list if you really have to. Warm regards, Zbigniew Szalbot ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: mail server setup questions
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Predrag Punosevac Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 3:24 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: mail server setup questions On 05.09.2007 11:22, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: [...] Your reaction is facinating considering the location implied by your e-mail reply address. I can perhaps understand your adversion to the use of metaphors in language - God know the Serbian propagandists warped the metaphor beyond the breaking point in your history and perhaps now, there is a horror of them there that will take generations to dissipate. I thought were discussing the configuration of the mail server not your hatred toward us Serbs, Iraqis and God knows whom else. Amazing you find hatred where none exists. Perhaps your only reflecting your own biases? Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: mail server setup questions
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Eray Aslan Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 2:05 AM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: mail server setup questions Good advice. I am sure you could have written your response without mentioning nuclear weapons, Iraq et al. Sure - and I'm sure you could write an instruction manual that nobody would want to read, either, unless as a sleep aid. Metaphors are a legitimate literary device. If your unfamiliar with them I would suggest you review what is known as classic literature Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mail server setup questions
On Wed, 5 Sep 2007 17:44:15 +0200 Zbigniew Szalbot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, 2007/9/5, Nikola Lecic [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Wed, 5 Sep 2007 01:22:12 -0700 Ted Mittelstaedt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Your reaction is facinating considering the location implied by your e-mail reply address. I can perhaps understand your adversion to the use of metaphors in language - God know the Serbian propagandists warped the metaphor beyond the breaking point in your history and perhaps now, there is a horror of them there that will take generations to dissipate. Congratulations. This is an international project and not your parochial meeting where you can discuss the knowledge gleaned from TV end enjoy such fascinating vocabulary and deductions related to someone's TLD. I wonder if all thread participants can relax a bit? I have always been impressed how friendly this list is. Have been watching this thread and cannot understand how it came that such a flame war broke out. [...] Please cool down and stop sending rubbish to everyone's inbox. Zbigniew, please don't teach me lessons in politeness. Ted posted two very offensive mails and everyone has a right to publicly reply to publicly posted offence. If that's problem for you, then ignore this thread. Be careful when using word rubbish. Nikola Lečić ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: mail server setup questions
-Original Message- From: Jim Stapleton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 3:55 AM To: Ted Mittelstaedt Cc: Nikola Lecic; Russell E. Meek; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: mail server setup questions Jim posted here asking for help, using words and language that gives serious doubt that he is competent to run a mailserver of any kind. Knowledgeable and competant are two different things. If I were not competant, I would not bother attempting to get that knowledge that I lack. Of course. The fact you posted at all indicates your aware that competence is learned and that you want to become competent. A far more admirable attitude than the people that assume that everyone is completely competent at everything and calling someone incompetent is the same as calling them a baby-killer. I don't know the nitty gritty details about exactly what and how mail servers are encrypted. I don't know all the nitty gritty details about how everything talks and intercommunicates. I do know that that any time a password goes over the internet (not just LAN) it needs to be encrypted as securly as possible. Only if there is a possiblity that the communication channel can be tapped. The phrase going over the Internet is so broad as to be completely meaningless. You can mean just about everything from completely unencrypted wireless to an untappable OC3 between providers. Most password cracking takes place on the client - all the encryption in the world won't protect you from clueless users who click on URLs in e-mails they get. I do know that mail (and other) servers should live in jails. They can if you want. However I have never done so and never had a mailserver rooted. Of course, I have kept stuff reasonably up to date - that is the other part of the issue. In any case running in a jail does not really address the biggest problems with mailservers - their hijacking by spammers and other criminals. By definition a mailserver transfers mail. Putting it's programs in a jail does not make it cease to transfer mail. If such mail transfer happens between the people you want it to happen between, then great. But if you misconfigure the stuff you have jailed, the mailserver will happily transfer mail between the people you don't want it transferring mail from and everyone else. I do know not to run an open relay (take email from any server to deliver to any server, without authentication, and plan to achieve this by only allowing incoming mail). I would submit you think you do. For example, are you planning on putting a webmail interface on the server? A lot of people do. Well if you do and you put a scrap of CGI on there that has a hole in it a spammer can come along and cause that to relay mail from incoming http right into your mail queue. He doesen't need root access to do this. I do know that there is no such thing as too much paranoia when setting up a server. Then you know 90% of what you need to know. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mail server setup questions
Hello, Zbigniew, please don't teach me lessons in politeness. Ted posted two very offensive mails and everyone has a right to publicly reply to publicly posted offence. If that's problem for you, then ignore this thread. Be careful when using word rubbish. My apologies. I shoudn't have used the word rubbish. But please take into account that: 1. I am interested in the subject of mail server setup so I generally follow such threads 2. For the whole day I have been opening emails where you exchange opinions that have nothing to do with mail server setup. 3. I have no intention of teaching anyone lessons in politness. If this has been your impression, I need to apologize again. Regards, Zbigniew Szalbot ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mail server setup questions
* Jim Stapleton [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-09-04 18:03:20 -0400]: I need a mail server to take incoming mail, and provide a pop3 (or better yet, SSLed POP3) connection. I would second the recommendation for Postfix -- and Dovecot for POP. Could you all suggest to me what you use and a good web site for configuring it as it would be done in FreeBSD? The Postfix documentation is very thorough and complete, and that is all you should need. Their website has some links to various HOWTOs: http://www.postfix.org/docs.html Thomas -- N.J. Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Etiamsi occiderit me, in ipso sperabo ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mail server setup questions
On Wed, Sep 05, 2007 at 08:51:18AM -0700, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Eray Aslan Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 2:05 AM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: mail server setup questions Good advice. I am sure you could have written your response without mentioning nuclear weapons, Iraq et al. Sure - and I'm sure you could write an instruction manual that nobody would want to read, either, unless as a sleep aid. Metaphors are a legitimate literary device. If your unfamiliar with them I would suggest you review what is known as classic literature Come on folks. You'll never get anywhere in a flame war with Ted. He changes the ground under you any time it is convenient. Much better to teach him to spell you're, distinguish between your and you're and use them correctly. Now that would be helpful. jerry Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mail server setup questions
On Wed, 5 Sep 2007 12:28:51 -0400 Jerry McAllister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Come on folks. You'll never get anywhere in a flame war with Ted. He changes the ground under you any time it is convenient. Jerry, I appreciate your good will, but he doesn't change ground. And this is not a flame war but a reaction to the rude and arrogant posts. His (obviously well-known) character cannot be an excuse to speak whatever he wishes. I'm very disappointed that more official people on this list didn't say something like Ted, please respect our users from all countries, including those two countries you have mentioned (as they did couple of times in the near past). Nikola Lečić ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mail server setup questions
Hi, I'm trying to set up a home mailserver with imap/web access. But I was going to use exim. Several people mentioned postfix here, but nobody named exim. Is it a matter of personal preference or is exim not suitable for this task? Thanks, Andrey ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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---BeginMessage--- Andrey Shuvikov wrote: Hi, I'm trying to set up a home mailserver with imap/web access. But I was going to use exim. Several people mentioned postfix here, but nobody named exim. Is it a matter of personal preference or is exim not suitable for this task? Thanks, Andrey ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] We have a exim at the University of Arizona and works really well (but I am just a user not a sysadmin). I had the same question since I have use sendmail as my home server but I am really curious what more knowledgeable people have to say on this topic. Regards Predrag P. S. I apologize for my previous mail that was of topic but I was truly offended. ---End Message--- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mail server setup questions
Andrey Shuvikov wrote: Hi, I'm trying to set up a home mailserver with imap/web access. But I was going to use exim. Several people mentioned postfix here, but nobody named exim. Is it a matter of personal preference or is exim not suitable for this task? Thanks, Andrey ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] We have a exim at the University of Arizona and works really well (but I am just a user not a sysadmin). I had the same question since I have used sendmail as my home mail server but I am really curious what more knowledgeable people have to say on this topic. Regards Predrag P. S. I apologize to everyone for my previous mail on this thread that was of topic but I was truly offended. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mail server setup questions
On Wed, Sep 05, 2007 at 12:21:56PM -0700, Predrag Punosevac wrote: Andrey Shuvikov wrote: Hi, I'm trying to set up a home mailserver with imap/web access. But I was going to use exim. Several people mentioned postfix here, but nobody named exim. Is it a matter of personal preference or is exim not suitable for this task? Thanks, Andrey ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] We have a exim at the University of Arizona and works really well (but I am just a user not a sysadmin). I had the same question since I have used sendmail as my home mail server but I am really curious what more knowledgeable people have to say on this topic. There is no real problem with sendmail. Maybe there was years ago, but it works fine. Some of the configuration can be rather arcane, but mostly people just get their favorite and want to defend it. jerry Regards Predrag P. S. I apologize to everyone for my previous mail on this thread that was of topic but I was truly offended. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mail server setup questions
Andrey Shuvikov wrote: Hi, I'm trying to set up a home mailserver with imap/web access. But I was going to use exim. Several people mentioned postfix here, but nobody named exim. Is it a matter of personal preference or is exim not suitable for this task? Exim is a capable mailer as is postfix. I think its mostly a matter of preference but I havent delved into Exim too much. Personally I run Postfix and Dovecot for my mail server setup. Roundcube does a nice job in providing a front end on the web for Dovecot. Eric ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mail server setup questions
On Sep 5, 2007, at 2:05 PMSep 5, 2007, Andrey Shuvikov wrote: Hi, I'm trying to set up a home mailserver with imap/web access. But I was going to use exim. Several people mentioned postfix here, but nobody named exim. Is it a matter of personal preference or is exim not suitable for this task? Andrey, I can't speak of exim or qmail, but I had used sendmail for nearly 10 years before switching to postfix. I switched was for support of virtual mail boxes, and better support for IMAP. Regardless of the software you choose, it's to your benefit to figure out what you want to do in the long run, and choose the software that is best going to allow you to achieve those goals. HTH - Eric F Crist Secure Computing Networks ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mail server setup questions
On 9/5/07, Andrey Shuvikov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I'm trying to set up a home mailserver with imap/web access. But I was going to use exim. Several people mentioned postfix here, but nobody named exim. Is it a matter of personal preference or is exim not suitable for this task? It's most definitely a matter of personal preference. I lean toward Exim or Courier. Exim is highly customizable, but the price you pay for that is a steep learning curve when you start looking at customization. Courier isn't as flexible, but can do anything most people are likely to want from a mail server by just setting the appropriate configuration values. And if you just must have more complexity, you can use procmail to do local delivery for Courier. FWIW I use Courier at home and Exim at work. We replaced Qmail (yech!) with Exim at work in part because we needed its customizability. The only real reason for me to switch to Exim at home would be to reduce the number of tools I'm dealing with. Courier has the advantage of having everything (smtp, pop, imap, and webmail servers) all distributed as one package, other than the host web server for the webmail component. Whatever you do, please don't use Qmail. I don't want any more blowback spam than I already get. In case I haven't made myself clear, I despise Qmail with a passion. I suppose it is suitable for people who like puzzles (as in What patches do I need to make this do something useful? or What third-party tool do I need to make sense out of these awful log files?) and who don't mind inflicting lots of unnecessary secondary spam on the rest of the world. Yes, I know there are _supposed_ to be patches that fix that problem, but (a) the one I've seen in action doesn't work very well, and (b) you shouldn't need to apply third-party patches to your mail server to make it do what it is supposed to do in the first place. - Bob ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mail server setup questions
I would submit you think you do. For example, are you planning on putting a webmail interface on the server? A lot of people do. Well if you do and you put a scrap of CGI on there that has a hole in it a spammer can come along and cause that to relay mail from incoming http right into your mail queue. He doesen't need root access to do this. I have never stated interest in putting web mail up in my to-do list, and in fact, have explicitly stated at least once, I've no intention of doing that. To be blunt, I don't trust it. I only use it for things on which I don't care about the security (ex. reading mailing lists). I care about the security of my server. -Jim Stapleton ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mail server setup questions
Hello 2007/9/5, Andrey Shuvikov [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi, I'm trying to set up a home mailserver with imap/web access. But I was going to use exim. Several people mentioned postfix here, but nobody named exim. Is it a matter of personal preference or is exim not suitable for this task? It is more than suitable. Both postfix and exim are comparable and powerful MTAs. I personally use Exim but that's because I started with it. It is very customizable. For those who begin their adventure with exim, maybe even vexim is better because you get everything virtualised (virtual users, domains, etc.) and you define your emails, quotas, etc. via browser. http://silverwraith.com/vexim/ Regards, Zbigniew Szalbot ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mail server setup questions
On Wed, Sep 05, 2007 at 04:52:56PM -0400, Bob Johnson wrote: On 9/5/07, Andrey Shuvikov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I'm trying to set up a home mailserver with imap/web access. But I was going to use exim. Several people mentioned postfix here, but nobody named exim. Is it a matter of personal preference or is exim not suitable for this task? Exim is as suited for the task as Postfix and Sendmail. All three are in roughly the same class of mail transfer agent, and are roughly interchangeable in terms of functionality. Sendmail is very old-school Unix in its design philosophy, from what I've seen. Postfix is pretty easy to wrap your head around and is pretty light on resources when well-configured. Exim -- well, I suspect it has some excellent qualities to recommend it, but my personal experience is that it's a severe pain in my fourth point of contact to configure. Exim is the default MTA for Debian, and while I was using Debian I ended up swapping out Exim for Postfix on every install after I finally got tired of dealing with Exim's configuration complexities and caveats. Your mileage may vary. Whatever you do, please don't use Qmail. I don't want any more blowback spam than I already get. I'm not a huge fan of Qmail, either. I not only try to avoid it myself, but wish others would do so as well.
Re: mail server setup questions
Am Mittwoch 05 September 2007 21:14:17 schrieb Predrag Punosevac: We have a exim at the University of Arizona and works really well (but I am just a user not a sysadmin). Me, personally, I can only swear by Postfix. I've set up numerous Postfix mail servers over the last two years, and I've never had trouble with them as to this date. Postfix is robust (I've never had an error condition that _lost_ mails, so far), (actually) pretty easy to configure in comparison to sendmail and (IMHO) exim, simply because the documentation is extensive and the directives are clear and concise for the main configuration (that's for the main.cf; master.cf, which dispatches the different parts that make up Postfix, is a different topic, but you needn't touch that under most circumstances), and it's easily extensible my its extensive use of the generic feature of maps for any lookups required for configuration options (a map can basically come from anything, such as get*ent, flat db files, relational databases, a socket protocol, and some other things which you'd possibly not even dreamed about). By using the Postfix mail filter APIs (completely different to milter, but milter is also possible AFAIK in Postfix 2.3+), I've hacked together a small Anti-Harvester plugin in an afternoon for the three big servers I administered, and there's tons of software out there that plugs in with Postfix to do things like greylisting, spam control, mail traffic accounting and rate limiting, and the like. The architecture of Postfix I'm talking about is called the policy framework. Thirdly, I don't recall a major security vulverability in Postfix for quite some time now (longer than from what I know of sendmail, anyway, but this might be my biased vision), and generally, you can expect Postfix to come preconfigured safe, unless you explicitly open it up (which isn't easy to do). On the other hand: besides trying sendmail some years back (I still have the O'Reilly sendmail book somewhere on my shelf), I've never tried a different mailer in a production environment yet, so the value of my answer may vary. I know most of my peers who deploy Debian in server environment swear by exim (I should guess because it comes preinstalled and is the default for them), but again, I recall the horror I faced when I had a look at the exim configuration of my uni when I had to change mail routing (because their exim mailserver got blacklisted, and had to route through one of the servers administered by me to be able to get out mails at all; that was a happy moment in my student admin career :-)). Anyway, have a look at Postfix, I can pretty much guarantee you that it'll suck you in! -- Heiko Wundram Product Application Development ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mail server setup questions
On Wed, 5 Sep 2007 16:52:56 -0400
Bob Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In case I haven't made myself clear, I despise Qmail with a passion. I
suppose it is suitable for people who like puzzles (as in What
patches do I need to make this do something useful? or What
third-party tool do I need to make sense out of these awful log
files?) and who don't mind inflicting lots of unnecessary secondary
spam on the rest of the world. Yes, I know there are _supposed_ to be
patches that fix that problem, but (a) the one I've seen in action
doesn't work very well, and (b) you shouldn't need to apply
third-party patches to your mail server to make it do what it is
supposed to do in the first place.
I second all these points. I think it's probably better to use sendmail than
qmail. Sendmail at least supports most (all?) SMTP / antispam related features,
it is well documented , and configurable to the extreme (with the caveat that
its configuration may be a bit daunting to the un-initiated :D).
I just realised that qmail appears over and over in Linux distros, or at least
on linux servers i've had to suffer... not sure the relationship there (in
design / philosophy...)... and I am really NOT wanting to start a flame war.
Just a thought that crossed my mind as I was reading this thread.
Best,
B
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Re: mail server setup questions
On Sep 4, 2007, at 5:03 PMSep 4, 2007, Jim Stapleton wrote: I need a mail server to take incoming mail, and provide a pop3 (or better yet, SSLed POP3) connection. I've tried akpop3d and qmail, but have had less than brilliant success getting them functional. Could you all suggest to me what you use and a good web site for configuring it as it would be done in FreeBSD? Please cc me, as I have the list subscribed in digest mode. Thanks, -Jim Stapleton It may be more than you're looking for, but check out www.purplehat.org and look for their postfix/dovecot how-to. It's very detailed and works great! - Eric F Crist Secure Computing Networks ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mail server setup questions
Quoting Jim Stapleton [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I need a mail server to take incoming mail, and provide a pop3 (or better yet, SSLed POP3) connection. I've tried akpop3d and qmail, but have had less than brilliant success getting them functional. Could you all suggest to me what you use and a good web site for configuring it as it would be done in FreeBSD? Please cc me, as I have the list subscribed in digest mode. Thanks, -Jim Stapleton ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.tnpi.biz/internet/mail/toaster/ Perfection - and qmail based also. Have fun. - Russell This message was sent securely via meektech.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mail server blues
On Fri, 6 Apr 2007, Brian Hartley wrote: Hello, I have been going nuts trying to get a remote POP/SMTP mail server to work on 6.2-RELEASE. My mx and cnames are hosted at dyndns. I have tried exim, postfix and sendmail along with courier imap as the pop. Is there any good docs that can get me going? I appreciate any help Thank You! Brian I have been reading this thread and have decided I am confused [certainly would not be first time]. :) Sendmail is the official FreeBSD MTA and postfix written by Wietse Venema while on a sabbatical from IBM is designed to be a drop-in replacement. Either of those should work out of the box. If you want a mail server as a single user, there is little to do other than set the correct options in /etc/rc/conf. I use sendmail, which I find has been improved to the point that when I can finally (probably) add to the rule sets, I see no reason to do so. Perhaps if you say what you have tried and how that failed, you can get some specific advice on things to do. There are numberous FreeBSD howto's for sendmail, so with respect to all the other MTA's its not a bad place to start assuming you are new to Unix and/or administering a server. BTW as a final though if you are connecting via DSL or cable, it could be that some (all?) of your problems are from restrictions/rules imposed by your provider. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mail server blues
On 4/6/07, Jay Gordon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: go with qmail... it rocks http://www.qmailrocks.org/ it's a damn good mta. My advice: stay away from qmail. Anything that requires a big pile of patches just to make it usable doesn't belong on your computer. And I probably get more backscatter spam from those cursed qmail systems than from everything else combined -- if it were up to me, qmail would be illegal. If you want something like qmail, but done right, try Courier. If you want extreme configurability, try Exim. But I don't think that's really the answer to the original post -- I think there's something more fundamental going on there. - Bob ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mail server blues
O/H Eric έγραψε: qmail is horrible and outdated. heres a ton of reasons not to use it: snip But thats just my opinion! =) I use qmail and I am happy with it, following a composition of what suits me best from the following sites: a) http://www.freebsdrocks.net/ provides the basic walkthrough b) http://qmail.jms1.net/ provides an all-in-one patch for qmail c) various other sites about qmail and freebsd I agree that qmail is horribly outdated and without the patch mention at (b) it would a no-brainer for me to follow. Just pick what fits your brain best and remember than when it breaks (and it will break), YOU will HAVE to fix it, nobody else. -- RTFM and STFW before anything bad happens _ Thanasis Rizoulis Electronic Computing Systems Engineer Larissa, Greece FreeBSD/PCBSD user ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mail server blues
My company had a similar issue, we required a fairly turnkey solution for e-mail. If you don't have the time/want to actually set it up your self, and just want it to work I would suggest you try www.tnpi.net I didn't do the installation myself, I paid Matt's group to do it. Other than a few customization that we specifically required the default setup worked very well. If you like messing with mail, you can try to do it yourself with the setup scripts. ..A __ Powered By Techweavers Webmail http://webmail.techweavers.net ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mail server blues
Jay Gordon wrote: go with qmail... it rocks http://www.qmailrocks.org/ it's a damn good mta. qmail is horrible and outdated. heres a ton of reasons not to use it: http://www-dt.e-technik.uni-dortmund.de/~ma/qmail-bugs.html Sure qmail is nice if you want 3000 bounce messages because qmail is too dumb of out of the box not to reject mail for invalid recipients before queuing it, but hey, if you like that kind of thing or want to spend time looking for patches to correct broken behavior, be my guest. =) go with postfix. It works out of the box and it is actively maintained plus there are a TON of good links on the postfix homepage. This link: http://www.flakshack.com/anti-spam/ will walk you through everything from start to finish for postfix and antispam stuff. Theres a ton more here: http://www.postfix.org/docs.html do yourself a favor and start with postfix. qmail could have been something, but the arrogance of its author has relegated it to the has been list, much like his other programs he's released. He should have used a real open source license and then perhaps his programs would be viable today. But thats just my opinion! =) for the imap/pop piece, go with dovecot. its simple to set up and light on resources. By the way, my site is setup using dyndns custom DNS stuff, so its very similar to yours. I use postfix + dovecot for my email needs and it works perfectly. Best of luck Eric ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: mail server blues
go with qmail... it rocks http://www.qmailrocks.org/ it's a damn good mta. Jay Gordon Unix Systems Administrator DataPipe Managed Hosting Services - What It Means To Be Sure - [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.datapipe.com Tel: 201.792.1918 x2402 | Fax: 201-792-3090 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Brian Hartley Sent: Fri 4/6/2007 5:36 PM To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: mail server blues Hello, I have been going nuts trying to get a remote POP/SMTP mail server to work on 6.2-RELEASE. My mx and cnames are hosted at dyndns. I have tried exim, postfix and sendmail along with courier imap as the pop. Is there any good docs that can get me going? I appreciate any help Thank You! Brian ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mail server blues
On 2007-04-06 20:31, Jay Gordon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brian Hartley wrote: Hello, I have been going nuts trying to get a remote POP/SMTP mail server to work on 6.2-RELEASE. My mx and cnames are hosted at dyndns. I have tried exim, postfix and sendmail along with courier imap as the pop. Is there any good docs that can get me going? I appreciate any help go with qmail... it rocks http://www.qmailrocks.org/ it's a damn good mta. I don't think qmail is a silver bullet that can solve anyone's problems, even it it rocked. What the original poster needs is someone with enough ``MTA-foo'' to design a mail system which can satisfy his needs of an email pop server. Brian, are you the one who should install the POP/SMTP mail server? FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE along with any one of the MTAs mentioned above (Sendmail, Postfix, Exim or qmail, coupled with an IMAP/POP) can work pretty well as an SMTP gateway and IMAP or POP server. There's no single, One True Reference(TM) which can help you along the steps of installing an arbitrary combination of the software you are planning to install, mostly because there are so many combinations it's literally impossible to describe all of them in one document. But if you have already tried *some* combination, as you said, and you have problems making it work, you can always start by describing to the list what you are trying to do, what steps you took to make it happen, and what went wrong. Then we can work through the details of your particular setup, until what is broken is fixed. - Giorgos ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: mail server blues
Agreed... in a worst case situation if you incapable of configuring it due to inexperience or just plain out not getting it, there are some pre-built freebsd mail software solutions that provide mta, pop/imap and gui interfaces like plesk, cpanel, ensim or even atmail. if you are brave and wanna DIY it... first decide what your needs are. do you need a system with ease of administration... are you going to have a large amount of users? do users need to be able to have access to webmail? an administration web based panel for adding autoresponders and the like? with the different mta's you have tried... what exactly went wrong? Jay Gordon Unix Systems Administrator DataPipe Managed Hosting Services - What It Means To Be Sure - [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.datapipe.com Tel: 201.792.1918 x2402 | Fax: 201-792-3090 -Original Message- From: Giorgos Keramidas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Fri 4/6/2007 8:53 PM To: Jay Gordon Cc: Brian Hartley; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: mail server blues On 2007-04-06 20:31, Jay Gordon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brian Hartley wrote: Hello, I have been going nuts trying to get a remote POP/SMTP mail server to work on 6.2-RELEASE. My mx and cnames are hosted at dyndns. I have tried exim, postfix and sendmail along with courier imap as the pop. Is there any good docs that can get me going? I appreciate any help go with qmail... it rocks http://www.qmailrocks.org/ it's a damn good mta. I don't think qmail is a silver bullet that can solve anyone's problems, even it it rocked. What the original poster needs is someone with enough ``MTA-foo'' to design a mail system which can satisfy his needs of an email pop server. Brian, are you the one who should install the POP/SMTP mail server? FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE along with any one of the MTAs mentioned above (Sendmail, Postfix, Exim or qmail, coupled with an IMAP/POP) can work pretty well as an SMTP gateway and IMAP or POP server. There's no single, One True Reference(TM) which can help you along the steps of installing an arbitrary combination of the software you are planning to install, mostly because there are so many combinations it's literally impossible to describe all of them in one document. But if you have already tried *some* combination, as you said, and you have problems making it work, you can always start by describing to the list what you are trying to do, what steps you took to make it happen, and what went wrong. Then we can work through the details of your particular setup, until what is broken is fixed. - Giorgos ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mail server blues
go with qmail... it rocks I entirely agree. http://www.qmailrocks.org/ That uses way too many dodgy patches, as does the qmail port in the ports tree. I've been meaning to add a less overpatched port for netqmail, but in the meantime, you might want to get the O'Reilly qmail book and follow its installation advice. Regards, John Levine, [EMAIL PROTECTED], Primary Perpetrator of The Internet for Dummies, Information Superhighwayman wanna-be, http://www.johnlevine.com More Wiener schnitzel, please, said Tom, revealingly. PS: Look at the cover of the book, and you'll know why I think so highly of it. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mail server recomendations
J65nko wrote: [big snip] I use qmail using a combination of setup instructions from various sites like http://freebsdrocks.net www.lifewithqmail.org and applied the combined patch from http://qmail.jms1.net/ I am happy so far. The main thing is to build something that you understand and are able to provide support for it. Addmitedly there are many mailserver for dummies guides out there. Just be cautious and test-test-test before deployment so that all your expectations are met. RTFM and STFW before anything bad happens Thanasis Rizoulis Electronic Computing Systems Engineer Larissa, Greece FreeBSD/PCBSD user ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mail server recomendations (was: is the list the right place toask?)
-Original Message- From: Ted Mittelstaedt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: John Nielsen [EMAIL PROTECTED], freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 20:04:11 -0800 Subject: Re: Mail server recomendations (was: is the list the right place toask?) - Original Message - From: John Nielsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 10:57 PM Subject: Re: Mail server recomendations (was: is the list the right place toask?) On Saturday 10 February 2007 01:33, Ray wrote: I'm looking for a package (or set of packages) that would provide a mail server with the following capabilities minimally: pop and smtp access that could handle 20 to 100 domains and 200 to 2000 mail boxes.(allowing some room for future growth) SMTP: sendmail is part of the base system and is pretty powerful but has a steep learning curve. There are alternatives available in the ports, one of the more popular being postfix. Others such as qmail may also be worth researching. I would caution anyone against using the alternatives. There are a lot of people that use them successfully, but sendmail is far more popular in terms of total installs - this is no doubt because it is used in the larger mail servers on the Internet, and the alternatives are more used on home or small servers. The reason you want to use Sendmail is that once you learn how to use it, that is knowledge that you have a much higher chance of re-using in the future. Thanks for the pointer. Ray I use clamAV on my mailserver, works great and keeps itself up-to-date pretty well. Easy integration with sendmail via a milter. For spam you'll likely want a combination of techniques. SpamAssassin is a good starting point. Also look at the DNS black- or greylisting features of your SMTP program (I use a couple realtime DNS blacklists with sendmail). you can also use greylist-milter with sendmail, it works well. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mail server recomendations (was: is the list the right place toask?)
[I had originally meant to post this to the list, but had mailed it the individual poster instead (who send a very nice reply)] On Feb 10, 2007, at 10:04 PM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: I would caution anyone against using the alternatives. There are a lot of people that use them successfully, but sendmail is far more popular in terms of total installs - this is no doubt because it is used in the larger mail servers on the Internet, and the alternatives are more used on home or small servers. I should point out that exim is used by large ISPs (mostly in Europe) and during its development had a great deal of input from what was then the largest ISP in the UK. Postfix is used by fastmail.fm and other dedicated mail providers. The reason you want to use Sendmail is that once you learn how to use it, that is knowledge that you have a much higher chance of re- using in the future. A few years ago I would have said the same thing. Indeed when I set up MTAs for clients I went with sendmail because my clients would have a broader base of support if I were to be run over by a bus. But I feel that that has changed. And the advantages of exim or postfix are strong enough and there is a growing base of people with experience with them, particularly postfix. Sendmail suffers from its extreme age and in the distant environment in which it was developed. Sendmail does things with its configuration file ((2)821) address parsing for example) that should be hard coded, while it hard codes things (like the 1 second throttling increment) that should be in a configuration file. The big plus for sendmail is milters. This is a plug-in system that I find extremely valuable. Anyway, I'm not going to recommend one above the other. The original poster can't really go wrong with either sendmail, exim or postfix. I'm in the process of setting up postfix because that host's mail will almost entirely be as a list server and mailman integration seems best with postfix (which I want to learn anyway). I just don't find the sendmail is everywhere case as strong as I used to. I should also say that when running mail at a small university, moving from sendmail to exim in the 1990s was such relief. Even with all of the m4 stuff, sendmail is much harder to maintain and configure than either exim or postfix. -j -- Jeffrey Goldberghttp://www.goldmark.org/jeff/
Re: Mail server recomendations (was: is the list the right place toask?)
On 2/11/07, Ted Mittelstaedt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [big snip] I would caution anyone against using the alternatives. There are a lot of people that use them successfully, but sendmail is far more popular in terms of total installs - this is no doubt because it is used in the larger mail servers on the Internet, and the alternatives are more used on home or small servers. The reason you want to use Sendmail is that once you learn how to use it, that is knowledge that you have a much higher chance of re-using in the future. Is this an effort to convince FreeBSD.org to stop using postfix? ;) $ host freebsd.org freebsd.org has address 69.147.83.40 freebsd.org mail is handled by 10 mx1.freebsd.org. $ telnet mx1.freebsd.org 25 Trying 69.147.83.52... Connected to mx1.freebsd.org. Escape character is '^]'. 220 mx1.freebsd.org ESMTP Postfix (Postfix Rules!) quit 221 2.0.0 Bye Connection closed by foreign host $ No, this is ain't a flame bait ;) =Adriaan= ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mail server recomendations
-Original Message- Thanks for all the suggestions. Looks like I have a lot of reading ahead :) Ray On Saturday 10 February 2007 01:33, Ray wrote: I'm looking for a package (or set of packages) that would provide a mail server with the following capabilities minimally: pop and smtp access that could handle 20 to 100 domains and 200 to 2000 mail boxes.(allowing some room for future growth) SMTP: sendmail is part of the base system and is pretty powerful but has a steep learning curve. There are alternatives available in the ports, one of the more popular being postfix. Others such as qmail may also be worth researching. POP, etc.: I highly recommend dovecot. It's efficient, pretty easy to configure, and can handle almost any setup you can imagine. You also get IMAP with this, which even if you don't want on its own you will want to use with your webmail package. ideally: also provide a web interface for individual users and also for administration on a per domain and whole server level. we have several customers that need to be able to administer their own domains, (Read this as I don't want ten calls a day saying I forgot my password) but we don't want them touching others accounts. Admin: webmin provides a reasonably secure web-based frontend to many different admin. tools and allows you to grant different levels of access to each tool to different users. Virtualmin might be an even better match for what you're after. Webmail: For features, go with Imp and any other parts of the Horde suite of applications that interest you. Horde's groupware package is starting to get pretty polished, and the individual components (mail, calendar, address book, tasks, etc) are all quite mature. Setup and config is a bit on the complex side, but there's work going on there and much of the initial config is now web-based. Other popular and simpler webmail packages include OpenWebMail and SquirrelMail. spam and virus scanning would be a definite plus, but from what I have read, these two parts are fairly straight forward. We have recently changed the web server from M$ to FreeBSD and now we're trying to change the mail server too. Thanks for any pointers or suggestions. I use clamAV on my mailserver, works great and keeps itself up-to-date pretty well. Easy integration with sendmail via a milter. For spam you'll likely want a combination of techniques. SpamAssassin is a good starting point. Also look at the DNS black- or greylisting features of your SMTP program (I use a couple realtime DNS blacklists with sendmail). Depending on the types of messages you're hoping to stop/detect, you might also want to look at MimeDefang. Everything above is in the ports. You have a lot of options so it's just a matter of nailing down what you want in terms of features and then selecting the best tool for the task. JN ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mail server recomendations (was: is the list the right place toask?)
- Original Message - From: John Nielsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 10:57 PM Subject: Re: Mail server recomendations (was: is the list the right place toask?) On Saturday 10 February 2007 01:33, Ray wrote: I'm looking for a package (or set of packages) that would provide a mail server with the following capabilities minimally: pop and smtp access that could handle 20 to 100 domains and 200 to 2000 mail boxes.(allowing some room for future growth) SMTP: sendmail is part of the base system and is pretty powerful but has a steep learning curve. There are alternatives available in the ports, one of the more popular being postfix. Others such as qmail may also be worth researching. I would caution anyone against using the alternatives. There are a lot of people that use them successfully, but sendmail is far more popular in terms of total installs - this is no doubt because it is used in the larger mail servers on the Internet, and the alternatives are more used on home or small servers. The reason you want to use Sendmail is that once you learn how to use it, that is knowledge that you have a much higher chance of re-using in the future. I use clamAV on my mailserver, works great and keeps itself up-to-date pretty well. Easy integration with sendmail via a milter. For spam you'll likely want a combination of techniques. SpamAssassin is a good starting point. Also look at the DNS black- or greylisting features of your SMTP program (I use a couple realtime DNS blacklists with sendmail). you can also use greylist-milter with sendmail, it works well. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mail server recomendations
Ray wrote: On 2/10/07, Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, Just wondering if this list is the right place to ask for suggestions for what package to use for various purposes? Yep... what did you have in mind? I'm looking for a package (or set of packages) that would provide a mail server with the following capabilities minimally: pop and smtp access that could handle 20 to 100 domains and 200 to 2000 mail boxes.(allowing some room for future growth) Post for for smtp. Dovecot with Maildir for imap/pop3. ideally: also provide a web interface for individual users and also for administration on a per domain and whole server level. we have several customers that need to be able to administer their own domains, (Read this as I don't want ten calls a day saying I forgot my password) but we don't want them touching others accounts. Perhaps one of the many freely available webmail packages, im sure at least one is capable of changing passwords via sasl and such. spam and virus scanning would be a definite plus, but from what I have read, these two parts are fairly straight forward. We have recently changed the web server from M$ to FreeBSD and now we're trying to change the mail server too. Thanks for any pointers or suggestions. Ray Amavisd-new with ClamAV and SpamAssassin perhaps? My Current setup uses all of the above and it handles a shedload of traffic just fine. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks, -- Joe Holden Telephone: +44 (0) 207 100 9593 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mail server recomendations
Joe Holden wrote: Post for for smtp. Postfix even. -- Joe Holden Telephone: +44 (0) 207 100 9593 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mail server recomendations (was: is the list the right place to ask?)
On Saturday 10 February 2007 01:33, Ray wrote: I'm looking for a package (or set of packages) that would provide a mail server with the following capabilities minimally: pop and smtp access that could handle 20 to 100 domains and 200 to 2000 mail boxes.(allowing some room for future growth) SMTP: sendmail is part of the base system and is pretty powerful but has a steep learning curve. There are alternatives available in the ports, one of the more popular being postfix. Others such as qmail may also be worth researching. POP, etc.: I highly recommend dovecot. It's efficient, pretty easy to configure, and can handle almost any setup you can imagine. You also get IMAP with this, which even if you don't want on its own you will want to use with your webmail package. ideally: also provide a web interface for individual users and also for administration on a per domain and whole server level. we have several customers that need to be able to administer their own domains, (Read this as I don't want ten calls a day saying I forgot my password) but we don't want them touching others accounts. Admin: webmin provides a reasonably secure web-based frontend to many different admin. tools and allows you to grant different levels of access to each tool to different users. Virtualmin might be an even better match for what you're after. Webmail: For features, go with Imp and any other parts of the Horde suite of applications that interest you. Horde's groupware package is starting to get pretty polished, and the individual components (mail, calendar, address book, tasks, etc) are all quite mature. Setup and config is a bit on the complex side, but there's work going on there and much of the initial config is now web-based. Other popular and simpler webmail packages include OpenWebMail and SquirrelMail. spam and virus scanning would be a definite plus, but from what I have read, these two parts are fairly straight forward. We have recently changed the web server from M$ to FreeBSD and now we're trying to change the mail server too. Thanks for any pointers or suggestions. I use clamAV on my mailserver, works great and keeps itself up-to-date pretty well. Easy integration with sendmail via a milter. For spam you'll likely want a combination of techniques. SpamAssassin is a good starting point. Also look at the DNS black- or greylisting features of your SMTP program (I use a couple realtime DNS blacklists with sendmail). Depending on the types of messages you're hoping to stop/detect, you might also want to look at MimeDefang. Everything above is in the ports. You have a lot of options so it's just a matter of nailing down what you want in terms of features and then selecting the best tool for the task. JN ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mail server intermittent freeze
On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 19:56:08 -0600 (CST) Rich Winkel wrote: Has anyone else seen this behavior?? What are the HDs doing? Is there swapping going on? 512 megs of RAM are not really a generous amount for this kind of work. Regards Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
