Re: Which is a faster option?
On Sep 9, 2:44 pm, Jonas Ulrich jonasulrich3...@gmail.com wrote: for the price of a faster dual processor upgrade card, you could buy a way way way faster dual g5. -Jonas true, and the advantages are not just in the CPU clockspeeds. when i compare the QS/1GDP to a G5/2GDP, the difference is an order of magnitude, not just double, due not only to the CPU speed, but to the 1GHz bus speed versus the 133MHz bus speed in the QS, and the faster RAM as well. john --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Which is a faster option?
just one small point, to a certain extent, you're comparing apples and oranges, because IIRC, the QS/733 was one of the CPUs apple put out with no backside cache. that makes a big difference. again, IIRC, the DA/733s were much faster than the QS/733s for that very reason. On Sep 8, 5:17 pm, Mac User #330250 macuser330...@gmx.net wrote: In oposition to what Bruce wrote: My computer _was_ a Quicksilver 2001, single 733 MHz. I then got a 1.4 GHz OWC Mercury Extreme, running Mac OS X 10.4.11 on it with various applications (Photoshop, just to name one). I did (as I always do) switch alot between the running processes. I then replaced it with the original Dual 800 MHz for this QS2001. The subjective feeling was that Mac OS X responded much faster to task switching and was generally more responsive. . . . Cheers, Andreas. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Missing folder
There is no show of a folder on my HD (Tiger latest). But search finds it and reports it as being where it should be. Its contents can be seen and work fine to deliver files to the server. I have: Sites/x/y/z where x, y and z are folders and z is simply not showing up in the file system in the normal way. That is, you look into y and z does not appear. I use x, y, z for the real names for this post only. I have deleted Application, Font, System and Kernal caches. Disk utility reports no trouble, all permissions and verifications applied. I ran DW and rebuilt the directory (it always finds plenty of things to do especially after years of work). If I go to Sites/x/y and search for folder z, it finds it in x! Double clicking on z opens up a directory window that appears correct to me with z's contents showing and, moving left in *column* view, the containing path back to Sites. But the folder, z, itself is feint (the small icon is there to the left of the name but is paler in colour). Anyone happen to have some clues about this? I seem to have made a folder invisible by accident! I don't want to dig a deeper hole before asking you lot what you think I should do first. I have the thought of simply copying the contents of z to a new untitled folder on the desktop and renaming it z and seeing if I can then stick it in y and say yes if it asks do I want to replace. It is difficult to say when it happened because I have been working on z for two months but via the alias in the sidebar (that worked fine!). I removed the alias earlier in my fiddling. (But I have a SuperDuper backed up HD with it on - it has exactly similar problems re visibility though, not surprisingly) A curious thing is that if I grab this pale z and stick it in the sidebar, it gets me access to the files in z but when I press the path button, z in the path is fainted out. -- dorayme --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: My G4 seems to be running slow
Well, OnyX helped but my video (YouTube, etc) is still choppy. Here's my video card info: NVIDIA GeForce4 MX: Chipset Model:GeForce4 MX Type: Display Bus: AGP Slot: SLOT-1 VRAM (Total): 64 MB Vendor: NVIDIA (0x10de) Device ID:0x0171 Revision ID: 0x00a2 ROM Revision: 1091 Displays: E17LCD2: Resolution: 1024 x 768 @ 75 Hz Depth:32-Bit Color Core Image: Software Main Display: Yes Mirror: Off Online: Yes Quartz Extreme: Supported It isn't more than a year old. Could it be outdated already? On Sep 6, 8:29 am, Cheryl H chelyh...@gmail.com wrote: That was going to be my next question, so thanks! On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 8:01 AM, technophobic_...@comcast.net wrote: On 9/6/09, lyne wrote: I have 15 folders on my desktop, mostly with jpg files. Move the all 15 folders into your documents folder, make aliases of them, and move the alias back onto your desktop if you must have them there. -- T.T. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Which is a faster option?
-- Original message -- Subject: Re: Which is a faster option? Date:Donnerstag, 10. September 2009N From:ah...clem boneheads...@gmail.com To: G-Group g3-5-list@googlegroups.com just one small point, to a certain extent, you're comparing apples and oranges, because IIRC, the QS/733 was one of the CPUs apple put out with no backside cache. that makes a big difference. again, IIRC, the DA/733s were much faster than the QS/733s for that very reason. Actually I was compating the 1.4 GHz OWC Mercury Extreme with Apples original Dual 800 MHz for the QS2001. Just as a side note I stated that my QS2001 originally was 733 MHz. Cheers, Andreas --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Which is a faster option?
-- Original message -- Subject: Re: Which is a faster option? Date:Donnerstag, 10. September 2009N From:ah...clem boneheads...@gmail.com To: G-Group g3-5-list@googlegroups.com On Sep 9, 2:34 pm, Len Gerstel lgers...@gmail.com wrote: 1) The apps are not dual processor aware. Most apps are. Even VLC player is and will split the load across the 2 processors of a dual. 2) You are not doing anything with these systems while the apps are running. Since they do not appear to be dual processor aware, they are running at about 100% utilization on one processor, and the other is sitting near 0% I bet. actually, you lose. where do i go to collect? ;o) i wouldn't presume to guess whether the apps are dual processor aware or if the OS distributes the work, but if i view the activity monitor on the DP machine while a single job is running, first one processor is 75% maxed out while the other is near 25% activity, then it flip-flops and the other is 75% maxed out while the first is near 25% activity. the frequency of the flip-flops is about twice per second. if i run two jobs simultaneously, both processors stay 100% maxed out continuously. and as you might expect, on the SP machine, the activity monitor shows the one CPU 100% maxed out continuously. differences in viewing video, as you describe, is (this time i'll wager) more a function of the video card processor speed and memory, not the main CPU processor speed. it really surprises me how often folks need reminded that a chain is only as strong (fast) as it weakest (slowest) link. why are CPUs are like quarterbacks . . . ? they either get all the credit or all the blame, and usually deserve neither. Like coding a video, the decoding of it is also mostly CPU work at first, the decoded data gets then distributed to the graphics card via, as you say rightly, the memory over the system bus over to the graphics card. But that's normally not the bottleneck. The conventional PCI bus can transfer 133 MB/s of data. PC100 SDRAM has a peak transfer rate of 800 MB/s. According to http://www.blackmagic-design.com/de/support/detail.asp?techID=30 the the most out of a HD video (1920x1080, 10-bit, 60fps) would require 237 MB/s. Thus, for transferring decodeded HD material, you need a faster system bus. So, yes, it's not always the CPU. But I bet that a PowerPC below 1 GHz is not even able to decode a HD video with this resolution out of an MPEG-4/AVC or H.264 stream. Cheers, Andreas. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Shared Scanner over Wireless Networks
Kris Tilford wrote: I moved an HP-PSC-1210 AIO Printer/Scanner/Copier to a network connection attached via USB to a 1TB Time Capsule. I was bummed to see that Apple doesn't support network scanning, it's printing only over Apple wireless networks. Now I see that this is a function of the router firmware, and that those routers with hacked linux DD-WRT firmware DO support shared network scanning under OS X. It works through the SANE for OS X software, which has somewhat spotty hardware support, and I assume doesn't support my AIO, but the idea that I could possibly scan over a network device is attractive. Here's the article I found on this subject: http://gadgets.boingboing.net/2009/03/10/how-to-make-your-own-2.html H I must be doing something wrong. My HP c6xxx aio (at parents) has a network port and I scan from it all the time. wait testing this office jet 7310.. works also both connected via a hub, to Speedstream or actiontec dsl modem/router --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: FAX from a Mac under OS X 10.5.7?
Bill Connelly wrote: My insurance company hasn't discovered https I guess, so they require info FAXed to them. After creating some kind of pre-paper-like document on my Mac, can I FAX it over the internet using some hidden capability of OS X? or maybe NeoOffice? some other app for OS X on a G4? Maybe my VueScan links me to such an ability? This is on a Digital Audio G4 Dual 533, FWIW. Do u have an AIO printer? At least the HP ones I have have the option on the control panel and in the software. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Distributed processing.
Bruce Johnson wrote: On Sep 9, 2009, at 7:48 AM, falst...@46 wrote: Addressing the original question, you could use the older (at least a g3) Macs to build a Mac Cluster. There have been universities and government agencies that have built, relatively inexpensive, supercomputers using this method which is explained at this link; http://www.daugerresearch.com/pooch/recipe.shtml But then, this does not address the power consumption issues or how your energy bill would be effected. Nor the fact that to utilize a cluster, you need a cluster-aware app, which 99.999% of the software out there is not... Is Boinc one? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Shared Scanner over Wireless Networks
On Sep 10, 2009, at 2:29 AM, Charles Lenington wrote: I must be doing something wrong. My HP c6xxx aio (at parents) has a network port and I scan from it all the time. wait testing this office jet 7310.. works also both connected via a hub, to Speedstream or actiontec dsl modem/router I think we're talking about two different things? I think you're talking about scanning from an AIO printer with a built-in ethernet network connection? We're talking about scanning from a USB only scanner without any built-in ethernet, connected to a USB port of a wireless router. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Shared Scanner over Wireless Networks
Kris Tilford wrote: On Sep 10, 2009, at 2:29 AM, Charles Lenington wrote: I must be doing something wrong. My HP c6xxx aio (at parents) has a network port and I scan from it all the time. wait testing this office jet 7310.. works also both connected via a hub, to Speedstream or actiontec dsl modem/router I think we're talking about two different things? I think you're talking about scanning from an AIO printer with a built-in ethernet network connection? We're talking about scanning from a USB only scanner without any built-in ethernet, connected to a USB port of a wireless router. Oh I didn't catch the wireless part of wireless router. That's (wireless) over my head although there are a dozen or so laying around here. I have wireless disabled on the actiontec and the speedstream doesn't have wireless. let's see open mouth, insert foot.. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Which is a faster option?
-- Original message -- Subject: Re: Which is a faster option? Date:Donnerstag, 10. September 2009N From:Mac User #330250 macuser330...@gmx.net To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Like coding a video, the decoding of it is also mostly CPU work at first, the decoded data gets then distributed to the graphics card via, as you say rightly, the memory over the system bus over to the graphics card. But that's normally not the bottleneck. The conventional PCI bus can transfer 133 MB/s of data. PC100 SDRAM has a peak transfer rate of 800 MB/s. According to http://www.blackmagic-design.com/de/support/detail.asp?techID=30 the the most out of a HD video (1920x1080, 10-bit, 60fps) would require 237 MB/s. Thus, for transferring decodeded HD material, you need a faster system bus. I forgot to check: AGP (original AGPx1) has a transfer rate of 266 MB/s, so getting the decoded pictures to your AGP graphics card shouldn't be a problem. So, yes, it's not always the CPU. But I bet that a PowerPC below 1 GHz is not even able to decode a HD video with this resolution out of an MPEG-4/AVC or H.264 stream. So, the CPU remains the bottleneck. Cheers, Andreas. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: installing Classic over Tiger
.you can slap OS 9 onto a disk anytime. If you want to boot from it (not just use it as Classic Mode) then you need to make sure the driver was put on the disk when it was initialized. Here is where I run into trouble. The Mac needs to run Classic in order to install Classic. When I boot from the OS 9.2.1 installation CD, the Mac boots just fine, but when I attempt to run the installer, Classic tries to startand then informs me that I do not have a usable OS 9 folder from which to run Classic. Frustrating! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: installing Classic over Tiger
You can also download NetBoot for Mac OS 9 from Apple and make your own CD: http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=120243#English Hope this works! Many thanks for the link. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: installing Classic over Tiger
On Sep 10, 2009, at 5:05 AM, Lawrence David Eden wrote: The Mac needs to run Classic in order to install Classic. No! You can download Netboot 9.2.2 for free from Apple. This is an OS X installer package. Remove the two netboot extensions from the System FolderExtensions Folder before using. You can also download NetBoot for Mac OS 9 from Apple and make your own CD: http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=120243#English No need to make your own CD. Just double-click the OS X package and install. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: FAX from a Mac under OS X 10.5.7?
On Sep 10, 2009, at 3:35 AM, Charles Lenington wrote: Bill Connelly wrote: My insurance company hasn't discovered https I guess, so they require info FAXed to them. After creating some kind of pre-paper-like document on my Mac, can I FAX it over the internet using some hidden capability of OS X? or maybe NeoOffice? some other app for OS X on a G4? Maybe my VueScan links me to such an ability? This is on a Digital Audio G4 Dual 533, FWIW. Do u have an AIO printer? At least the HP ones I have have the option on the control panel and in the software. My partner of 12 years, Brent, has one. An HP with Printer, Scanner and Fax capabilities. He moved out and got his own place, last November, and took it with him. It has the Scan and Fax It capability. Did a great job of printing my artwork business cards as well ... nice clear thumbnail representations of my paintings alongside my name and phone number. Thanks, but the problem was solved awhile ago, using the OSX 10.3/10.4/10.5 capabilities coupled with an internal modem. Have a nice, secure day. Sincerely, Bill Connelly aka billycarmacs artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: installing Classic over Tiger
On Sep 10, 2009, at 6:05 AM, Lawrence David Eden wrote: .you can slap OS 9 onto a disk anytime. If you want to boot from it (not just use it as Classic Mode) then you need to make sure the driver was put on the disk when it was initialized. Here is where I run into trouble. The Mac needs to run Classic in order to install Classic. When I boot from the OS 9.2.1 installation CD, the Mac boots just fine, but when I attempt to run the installer, Classic tries to startand then informs me that I do not have a usable OS 9 folder from which to run Classic. Frustrating! Bingo!! If you are getting the message that Classic is trying to start, you are not booted from the CD, but from your HD with OS X. Insert the CD with 9.2.2 on it then restart holding down the C key. Or you can insert the CD and use the startup disk preference pane to select the CD then reboot. The startup screen should be, iirc, filled with images of CDs or some other startup screen than your normal one. That will let you know you are actually booting off of the CD. You should be able to install 9 from there. Len --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Which is a faster option?
On Sep 10, 2009, at 1:51 AM, ah...clem wrote: On Sep 9, 2:34 pm, Len Gerstel lgers...@gmail.com wrote: 1) The apps are not dual processor aware. Most apps are. Even VLC player is and will split the load across the 2 processors of a dual. 2) You are not doing anything with these systems while the apps are running. Since they do not appear to be dual processor aware, they are running at about 100% utilization on one processor, and the other is sitting near 0% I bet. actually, you lose. where do i go to collect? ;o) i wouldn't presume to guess whether the apps are dual processor aware or if the OS distributes the work, but if i view the activity monitor on the DP machine while a single job is running, first one processor is 75% maxed out while the other is near 25% activity, then it flip-flops and the other is 75% maxed out while the first is near 25% activity. the frequency of the flip-flops is about twice per second. if i run two jobs simultaneously, both processors stay 100% maxed out continuously. and as you might expect, on the SP machine, the activity monitor shows the one CPU 100% maxed out continuously. That implies that the app is not fully dual processor aware. If it was, you would see both processors near max. I think the 25% is system overhead and the 75% is the app. Pull up activity monitor and see what the CPU percentage is for each running process. differences in viewing video, as you describe, is (this time i'll wager) more a function of the video card processor speed and memory, not the main CPU processor speed. it really surprises me how often folks need reminded that a chain is only as strong (fast) as it weakest (slowest) link. why are CPUs are like quarterbacks . . . ? they either get all the credit or all the blame, and usually deserve neither. I did not change my video card (a hacked 9600) or ram when I went from the 933 to a dual 1.2, but I did see a huge video playback performance boost with the dual. Len --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: My G4 seems to be running slow
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 2:27 AM, lyne chelyh...@gmail.com wrote: NVIDIA GeForce4 MX: ... (snip) ... It isn't more than a year old. Could it be outdated already? Less than a year old??? OK, now I'm confused. The NVIDIA GeForce4 series is around 7 years old. According to the wikipedia article I glanced at briefly NVIDIA first introduced the series circa 2002. The article also had particularly harsh things to say ... for wikipedia ... about the GeForce4 MX. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GeForce_4_Series#GeForce4_MX Just posting FWIW ... -irrational john --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Shared Scanner over Wireless Networks
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 4:04 AM, Charles Lenington macso...@brightok.net wrote: Oh I didn't catch the wireless part of wireless router. That's (wireless) over my head although there are a dozen or so laying around here. I have wireless disabled on the actiontec and the speedstream doesn't have wireless. Actually, the wireless part of the discussion is not especially pertinent. The important difference, as I see it, is that you are using an AIO that has a network port and is thus designed to be used over a network. The OP has a scanner which connects via a USB port only. That device is NOT network aware. The OP was hoping that the firmware in his Apple router would allow him to access the usb attached scanner over the network, but no joy. wireless is essentially just the same as ethernet (... except where it's different, of course). -irrational john --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: FAX from a Mac under OS X 10.5.7?
At 12:37 AM -0400 9/10/09, Bill Connelly wrote: I think the difference between the Fax PDF and an e-mailed PDF is that it doesn't sit on someone's Server, where someone could possibly get a copy of it (is that even possible???). It goes directly to hard copy via their fax printer. Make sense? Yes, where ANYONE could be standing. Hell, it may not even be at the company you thought you were sending to. Of course, it if they were looking for a Signature on an Original, I could fake that by scanning in my signature and pasting it into the document ... then locking it in ... and Fax PDFing that to them ... I have a jpg of my sig so I can do just that. Diane --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: My G4 seems to be running slow
On Sep 10, 2009, at 8:26 AM, iJohn wrote: On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 2:27 AM, lyne chelyh...@gmail.com wrote: NVIDIA GeForce4 MX: ... (snip) ... It isn't more than a year old. Could it be outdated already? Less than a year old??? OK, now I'm confused. The NVIDIA GeForce4 series is around 7 years old. According to the wikipedia article I glanced at briefly NVIDIA first introduced the series circa 2002. The article also had particularly harsh things to say ... for wikipedia ... about the GeForce4 MX. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GeForce_4_Series#GeForce4_MX Just posting FWIW ... -irrational john I have the exact same card in my Dual 533 Digital Audio, and it works fine. It originally came with another eBay purchase of a Quicksilver 2002 Dual 1GHz. I think its Flash Player that tries to play back the YouTube video. It has become a cpu hog over the last year or so. So, choppy may be all we can get with our relatively slow cpus inside a browser like my Firefox. My Dual seems to work fairly well, but if I download the YouTube video, and play it back with something like VLC, choppyness is gone. If Spotlight (mds, mdsworker) is running, choppy returns. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Can't fix the date and time in my G4...Why if...
I change the battery two times...the last one is a brand new, but every single day I have to update the Date and Hour.Somebody have any solution or answer...thank you. *my G4 AC power cord is connected to switch and don't have any power until I turn in ON first...When I keep this switch ON everything looks good with the Date and Hour . thank you to anybody* --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: My G4 seems to be running slow
On Sep 10, 2009, at 9:09 AM, Bill Connelly wrote: I think its Flash Player that tries to play back the YouTube video. It has become a cpu hog over the last year or so. So, choppy may be all we can get with our relatively slow cpus inside a browser like my Firefox. My Dual seems to work fairly well, but if I download the YouTube video, and play it back with something like VLC, choppyness is gone. For example, using Activity Monitor, playback of a Roy Hargrove It Ain't Necessarily So clip via Firefox shows my DA Dual 533 OS X 10.5.7 cpu usage @ 150%. Same clip downloaded, played via VLC shows cpu @ ~ 45%. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Can't fix the date and time in my G4...Why if...
On 10 Sep 2009, at 06:15:30 PDT, Miguel Garcia Gell wrote: I change the battery two times...the last one is a brand new, but every single day I have to update the Date and Hour.Somebody have any solution or answer...thank you. my G4 AC power cord is connected to switch and don't have any power until I turn in ON first...When I keep this switch ON everything looks good with the Date and Hour . thank you to anybody - You might check the polarity of the PRAM battery. Learned this lesson first-hand. Ken http://mysite.verizon.net/res7gt1w/stackomacs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: installing Classic over Tiger
On Sep 10, 2009, at 5:05 AM, Lawrence David Eden wrote: .you can slap OS 9 onto a disk anytime. If you want to boot from it (not just use it as Classic Mode) then you need to make sure the driver was put on the disk when it was initialized. Here is where I run into trouble. The Mac needs to run Classic in order to install Classic. When I boot from the OS 9.2.1 installation CD, the Mac boots just fine, but when I attempt to run the installer, Classic tries to startand then informs me that I do not have a usable OS 9 folder from which to run Classic. Frustrating! When I bought my G4 Powerbook on eBay a couple of years ago, I neglected to install the OS 9 drivers when reformatting the drive. Classic itself does not need the drivers but it also will not be a bootable system. JT Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYSwrCduJKf0Hi9QKByeLyPtQOEyZoJ4AsXSiKBVKPQKX1NA6qXbrC/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Interesting short-term file sharing service - s4ve.as
On Sep 8, 1:35 pm, Dan dantear...@gmail.com wrote: hum. Seems interesting. Works well for 24-hr file shares. http://s4ve.as/ It purports to be owned by some of the Napster boiz. A 5 MB example, good for 24 hrs: http://bit.ly/15wAY1 - Dan. --- Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. FANTASTIC! i was just now looking for something like this ... Thank You Dan! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: installing Classic over Tiger
Lawrence David Eden wrote: .you can slap OS 9 onto a disk anytime. If you want to boot from it (not just use it as Classic Mode) then you need to make sure the driver was put on the disk when it was initialized. Here is where I run into trouble. The Mac needs to run Classic in order to install Classic. When I boot from the OS 9.2.1 installation CD, the Mac boots just fine, but when I attempt to run the installer, Classic tries to startand then informs me that I do not have a usable OS 9 folder from which to run Classic. Frustrating! If you boot from the OS 9 disk then you are running OS 9, not Classic. You can't be doing anything with Classic as that is run as a process under OS X. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: installing Classic over Tiger
On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 3:27 PM, Lawrence David Eden lde...@comcast.net wrote: Is it possible to install Classic onto a Mac that is already running Tiger? I need this old iMac (front loading CD) to run a few older applications. When I try to use the OS 9.2.2 installation disk, I hit a dead end. The Mac wants an OS 9 System Folder to launch the installer On my old PowerBook G4 (running OS X 10.4.11), I simply inserted my Mac OS 9.2 CD and copied the System Folder out of it and onto the root of the hard drive. Mac OS 9 worked perfectly in the Classic environment after that (well, after updates were applied :) ). If you're not picky about using the Classic environment, this is the easiest way of setting it up. --Robert -- Nobody's ever lost in life...they're merely taking the scenic route. == Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html == -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.1.2 GCS/S/M/MU d- s+: a30 C++(+++) UL$ P++ L+++ E+ W+ N+ o+ K++ w--- O- M !V PS+ PE Y+ PGP(+) t+ 5++ X++ R tv b+++ DI+++ D++(---) G++ e+ h- r++ y+ --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Can't fix the date and time in my G4...Why if...
I seem to remember something about the power management chip getting itself into a high current mode which drains the battery. Can't really remember. Can you check for a good voltage on the battery you have? Find out if it has been discharged. I would try removing the power cord AND the battery and let the machine sit overnight. Then put in the battery (if OK) wait two minutes and then plug it in. Just a but of electronic juju :-) --- On Thu, 9/10/09, Miguel Garcia Gell maggel...@gmail.com wrote: I change the battery two times...the last one is a brand new, but every single day I have to update the Date and Hour.Somebody have any solution or answer...thank you. my G4 AC power cord is connected to switch and don't have any power until I turn in ON first...When I keep this switch ON everything looks good with the Date and Hour . thank you to anybody --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: installing Classic over Tiger
At 6:05 AM -0400 9/10/2009, Lawrence David Eden wrote: .you can slap OS 9 onto a disk anytime. If you want to boot from it (not just use it as Classic Mode) then you need to make sure the driver was put on the disk when it was initialized. Here is where I run into trouble. The Mac needs to run Classic in order to install Classic. When I boot from the OS 9.2.1 installation CD, the Mac boots just fine, but when I attempt to run the installer, Classic tries to startand then informs me that I do not have a usable OS 9 folder from which to run Classic. Frustrating! Something is foo, obviously. The OS 9 installer is fat - runs in both OS 9 and OS X. It does not need Classic to run. Are you using discs pulled from a diff type Mac? - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
iMovie .dv
Anyone know how I could export a slide-show of pictures from iMovie in a way that the output would be .mov and in a size larger than iMovie's output when used: ShareQuicktime? Or, if you know of another option (free application) that will do same, please let me know. The output now discussed earlier is way too small when played online. I need a larger size in .mov format. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: installing Classic over Tiger
OS 9 needs to be installed BEFORE OSX. Wipe the drive, boot from the 9 installer, and install 9. Then re-boot from the OSX installer and install OSX OVER 9. ~~ On 9/10/09 2:26 PM, Dan dantear...@gmail.com wrote: At 6:05 AM -0400 9/10/2009, Lawrence David Eden wrote: .you can slap OS 9 onto a disk anytime. If you want to boot from it (not just use it as Classic Mode) then you need to make sure the driver was put on the disk when it was initialized. Here is where I run into trouble. The Mac needs to run Classic in order to install Classic. When I boot from the OS 9.2.1 installation CD, the Mac boots just fine, but when I attempt to run the installer, Classic tries to startand then informs me that I do not have a usable OS 9 folder from which to run Classic. Frustrating! Something is foo, obviously. The OS 9 installer is fat - runs in both OS 9 and OS X. It does not need Classic to run. Are you using discs pulled from a diff type Mac? - Dan. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: FAX from a Mac under OS X 10.5.7?
From: Bill Connelly billycarm...@verizon.net Subject: Re: FAX from a Mac under OS X 10.5.7? To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Date: Wednesday, September 9, 2009, 6:42 PM On Sep 9, 2009, at 1:19 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Sep 9, 2009, at 9:57 AM, Bill Connelly wrote: Guess I need to temporarily bypass the DSL connection, hook up the modem, and FAX away using OS Xs pdf to fax capability before/after creating a pdf ... thanks. No you shouldn't need to bypass the DSL connection to do this...the modem is acting as a regular phone in this instance, not a network adapter. Worked like a charm from my Yikes! OCd 450MHz under Tiger 10.4.11. TextEdit Print Fax PDF after creating an Address Book entry. I may be a little slow here, but are you connecting the phone line that provides DSL without a filter to the builtin modem or not OR is this some special way the DSL line (the only one I have connected to the computer) is now sending DTMF - confused in need of help. JML --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: FAX from a Mac under OS X 10.5.7?
On Sep 10, 2009, at 1:03 PM, Jonas Lopez wrote: I may be a little slow here, but are you connecting the phone line that provides DSL without a filter to the builtin modem or not OR is this some special way the DSL line (the only one I have connected to the computer) is now sending DTMF - confused in need of help. Connecting a regular phone line to the built-in modemin this mode the modem is acting as a fax machine, not a network interface, and is entirely separate from the ethernet cable connecting the computer to the DSL 'modem'. I hate that the cable and phone companies promulgated the misnomer 'modem' to refer to what is actually a router, it makes thing like this confusing as heck. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: FAX from a Mac under OS X 10.5.7?
At 13:03 -0700 9/10/09, Jonas Lopez wrote: From: Bill Connelly billycarm...@verizon.net Subject: Re: FAX from a Mac under OS X 10.5.7? To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Date: Wednesday, September 9, 2009, 6:42 PM On Sep 9, 2009, at 1:19 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Sep 9, 2009, at 9:57 AM, Bill Connelly wrote: Guess I need to temporarily bypass the DSL connection, hook up the modem, and FAX away using OS Xs pdf to fax capability before/after creating a pdf ... thanks. No you shouldn't need to bypass the DSL connection to do this...the modem is acting as a regular phone in this instance, not a network adapter. Worked like a charm from my Yikes! OCd 450MHz under Tiger 10.4.11. TextEdit Print Fax PDF after creating an Address Book entry. I may be a little slow here, but are you connecting the phone line that provides DSL without a filter to the builtin modem or not OR is this some special way the DSL line (the only one I have connected to the computer) is now sending DTMF - confused in need of help. JML FAX using a modem, my G4 has one built in, goes out in the form of quadrature modulated (QAM) 1400 Hz carrier on a normal telephone line. Dual tone multifrequency (DTMF) is used for dialing the number but not for data transmission. Both the QAM and the DTMF are well within the voice band (300 to 3000 Hz) of plain old telephone (POTS) service and must go through a filter if the same telephone line is used for digital subscriber service (DSL). If the filter is not used the wide band radio frequencies used for DSL can and will interfere with the voice band transmission either FAX or audio. When I get involved with DSL on a neighbor's or child's home I run a separate pair to the DSL modem from the telephone entry point. I then install a filter that isolates all other connections to the house. That way one doesn't have to worry about all of those filters provided by the phone company. When Qwest recently installed DSL here the installer actually did that for me with a filter designed for the purpose. But I sure had to ask. -- -- So are we going to celebrate the start of a new decade at the end of this year? Or do the tens start at in January 2011? -- --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: iTunes 9 PPC Macs
It finished the Gapless scan in about 5 minutes with my library, and I noticed no improvement. On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 11:43 PM, Nikki Wraith nikkiwra...@gmail.com wrote: It's likely that it's running the genius scan and the gapless scan. I have to tell iTunes to cut the crap every ten minutes. On Sep 9, 2009, at 10:48 PM, Dana Collins dlcatft...@verizon.net wrote: On 9/9/09 10:29 PM, Chance Reecher of cnrtechh...@gmail.com sent I just updated to iTunes 9 on my dual 1.42 MDD G4, and I'm having some problems with it. I keep seeing the beach ball, but iTunes is the only app I have running besides Mail and IRC. When I try and click the Movies tab for my iPod touch, it crashes and must be force quit. Anyone else having these issues? I have yet to install it on my MacBook Pro or Hackintosh, so I don't knowhow it performs on Intel. I would be curious, too. Look for the day when iTunes ver. X is Intel-only, hopefully the distinction will be noticeable to avoid problems for users. To our mutual dismay, the Old Mac Apps site no longer posts older versions of iTunes (Apple probably threatened suit). -Dana -- Chance Reecher 765-4609 491-2286 cnrtechh...@gmail.com AIM: cnrtechhead --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: FAX from a Mac under OS X 10.5.7?
At 13:14 -0700 9/10/09, Bruce Johnson wrote: I hate that the cable and phone companies promulgated the misnomer 'modem' to refer to what is actually a router, it makes thing like this confusing as heck. MODEM stands for modulator / demodulator. The DSL modem demodulates asynchronous transfer mode (ATM) which is an older but still widely used technique for connecting long distance telephone lines. The router function is often, but not always, included in the package. It also accepts local data and modulates an RF carrier for uplinked data at frequencies above the voice band. There are also optical modems that drive data onto and off of fibers. 10base2 Ethernet is manchester modulated bits on a 20 MHz carrier. One could call an Ethernet card a MODEM too. Any confusion results from theft of the acronym by computer users who saw modems only while connecting computers to telephones. -- -- Marriage and kilo are troubled words. Turmoil results when centuries-old usage is altered in specialized jargon --. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: iMovie .dv
You could go to this Apple discussion forum and ask the question there, and you're sure to get the right answer. There are some really smart people there about iMovie and they'll have an answer for you in a few hours, if not sooner: http://tinyurl.com/34qtot Tom --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: installing Classic over Tiger
On Sep 10, 2009, at 12:17 PM, Jack Countryman wrote: OS 9 needs to be installed BEFORE OSX. Wipe the drive, boot from the 9 installer, and install 9. Then re-boot from the OSX installer and install OSX OVER 9. No it doesn't. So long as the OS 9 drivers are installed on the disk when OS X is installed, installing OS 9 on a system that can boot from OS 9 is as simple as booting from the CD and running the installer. It won't mess with OS X; the two OS'es live quite happily on the same volume. I've done that a half dozen times. 99% of the time people having OS9 install problems on OS X systems are due to either : 1) The 'Include OS 9 drivers' box was not checked when the OS X disk was formatted 2) The system they're trying to install OS 9 on cannot actually boot from the OS 9 CD. OS X was made the standard soon after the MDD G4 was released and at that time, systems stopped being able to boot into OS 9. Even MDD's that COULD boot into OS 9 needed a special version of OS 9 (which came with them) -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Can't fix the date and time in my G4...Why if...
Greetings ( + )!( + ) You may have checked this however would you please make sure. Open System Preference Open Date and Time Under the Date Time Tab insure that the Set date time automatically is checked And select where to get the date and time. Mine is set for Apple Americas/U.S. (time.apple.com) Cheers Harry ø?ºº?ø,¸¸,ø?ºº?ø,¸¸,ø?ºº?ø,¸¸,ø?º?ø On Sep 10, 9:29 am, John Niven sense...@yahoo.com wrote: I seem to remember something about the power management chip getting itself into a high current mode which drains the battery. Can't really remember. Can you check for a good voltage on the battery you have? Find out if it has been discharged. I would try removing the power cord AND the battery and let the machine sit overnight. Then put in the battery (if OK) wait two minutes and then plug it in. Just a but of electronic juju :-) --- On Thu, 9/10/09, Miguel Garcia Gell maggel...@gmail.com wrote: I change the battery two times...the last one is a brand new, but every single day I have to update the Date and Hour.Somebody have any solution or answer...thank you. my G4 AC power cord is connected to switch and don't have any power until I turn in ON first...When I keep this switch ON everything looks good with the Date and Hour . thank you to anybody --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: installing Classic over Tiger
On 10-09-2009 21:17, Jack Countryman, jcoun...@mac.com, wrote: OS 9 needs to be installed BEFORE OSX. Wipe the drive, boot from the 9 installer, and install 9. Then re-boot from the OSX installer and install OSX OVER 9. Don't know where you digged up this wisdom but, IMHO, it's complete nonsense! There are 2 possibilities: 1) If you have a Mac G4, bootable under OS 9, and a clean HD with OS 9 drivers included you can install a current OS X first and then OS 9.2.2. OR you can install 9.2.2 first and then a current OS X! Now you can start-up under OS X or OS 9. 2) If you have a Mac, bootable under OS 9 but not with the OS 9 drivers formatted, you only can use Classic but not boot under OS 9. On Macs not bootable under OS 9, you can install OS 9 afterwards and only use it under Classic, oc. HTH, Jo Hissel --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: FAX from a Mac under OS X 10.5.7?
Bruce Johnson wrote: On Sep 10, 2009, at 1:03 PM, Jonas Lopez wrote: I may be a little slow here, but are you connecting the phone line that provides DSL without a filter to the builtin modem or not OR is this some special way the DSL line (the only one I have connected to the computer) is now sending DTMF - confused in need of help. DTMF refers to the dialing method used in touch tone systems. It has nothing to do with faxing except for sending the desired phone number to the central office. Provided you have voice service on your DSL line you can connect your computer's modem (not DSL) to the same line as the DSL modem PROVIDED you use one of the phone line filters that the DSL provider supplies. If you don't use the filter your computer's modem (or a phone) will foul the DSL signal. Connecting a regular phone line to the built-in modemin this mode the modem is acting as a fax machine, not a network interface, and is entirely separate from the ethernet cable connecting the computer to the DSL 'modem'. I hate that the cable and phone companies promulgated the misnomer 'modem' to refer to what is actually a router, it makes thing like this confusing as heck. It's not a router. Many DSL modems incorporate a router but it's a separate function inside the box. I couldn't quickly find a better term for it than modem. But I'm pretty sure since it is Digital Subscriber Line that it's not really a modem (Modulator / Demodulator). It's more like a Terminal Adapter as in ISDN lines. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: FAX from a Mac under OS X 10.5.7?
Doug McNutt wrote: FAX using a modem, my G4 has one built in, goes out in the form of quadrature modulated (QAM) 1400 Hz carrier on a normal telephone line. Dual tone multifrequency (DTMF) is used for dialing the number but not for data transmission. Both the QAM and the DTMF are well within the voice band (300 to 3000 Hz) of plain old telephone (POTS) service and must go through a filter if the same telephone line is used for digital subscriber service (DSL). If the filter is not used the wide band radio frequencies used for DSL can and will interfere with the voice band transmission either FAX or audio. While the DSL signal can interfere with voice, particularly the Automatic Gain Control (AGC) in some phones, it's mostly there to keep voice band (including conventional modems) equipment from killing the DSL signal. Some stuff looks like a dead short at the high frequencies used by DSL. When I get involved with DSL on a neighbor's or child's home I run a separate pair to the DSL modem from the telephone entry point. I then install a filter that isolates all other connections to the house. That way one doesn't have to worry about all of those filters provided by the phone company. When Qwest recently installed DSL here the installer actually did that for me with a filter designed for the purpose. But I sure had to ask. I did the same thing myself. Nice that my house came wired with six phone lines running around the house. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Can't fix the date and time in my G4...Why if...
On 10-09-2009 23:22, gifutiger, gifuti...@gmail.com, wrote: You may have checked this however would you please make sure. Open System Preference Open Date and Time Under the Date Time Tab insure that the Set date time automatically is checked And select where to get the date and time. Mine is set for Apple Americas/U.S. (time.apple.com) That's OK but NOT necessarily! If the battery is OK the date and time settings you made (whatever) will stay, even after shutting down and restart. When not, your battery-check is faulty or your battery is wrongly connected or the battery-to-mobo is damaged. The last i have met more often. Jo Hissel --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: iTunes 9 PPC Macs
I wasn't offered iTunes 9 on my G3 iBook. A quick check of System Requirements shows no G3 support. Some are saying iTunes 9 runs on the G3, but slowly. I haven't tried iTunes 9 on a G3. It appears iTunes 8.2.1 is the final G3 version. Someone needs to catalog the final versions of G3 software. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: iTunes 9 PPC Macs
On Sep 10, 2009, at 6:23 PM, Kris Tilford wrote: I wasn't offered iTunes 9 on my G3 iBook. A quick check of System Requirements shows no G3 support. Some are saying iTunes 9 runs on the G3, but slowly. I haven't tried iTunes 9 on a G3. It appears iTunes 8.2.1 is the final G3 version. Someone needs to catalog the final versions of G3 software. Apple seems a bit confused on the issue. The website says that a G4 or better is required and points G3 users to 8.2.1. The release notes don't specifically preclude a G3, just say that at least a G4 is needed for video. That said, I installed it on my Pismo (G3/500, 1GB, 10.4.11). It runs and seems to play MP3s just fine. I haven't tried video as I already assumed the previous version was too slow. This is clearly a YMMV situation. As an aside, I noticed that 10.4.11 is the minimum OS version required and that most of the new stuff (iTunes LP, etc.) requires 10.5, so I wonder how long Apple will continue to support Tiger with new iTunes and Quicktime versions (even on a G4). John --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: iTunes 9 PPC Macs
I'm surprised that Apple didn't make it 10.5 only, considering they've been doing that a lot now it seems. On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 7:02 PM, John Ruschmeyer jrusc...@gmail.com wrote: As an aside, I noticed that 10.4.11 is the minimum OS version required and that most of the new stuff (iTunes LP, etc.) requires 10.5, so I wonder how long Apple will continue to support Tiger with new iTunes and Quicktime versions (even on a G4). John -- Chance Reecher 765-4609 491-2286 cnrtechh...@gmail.com AIM: cnrtechhead --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: iTunes 9 PPC Macs
On 9/9/09 8:48 PM, Dana Collins wrote: To our mutual dismay, the Old Mac Apps site no longer posts older versions of iTunes (Apple probably threatened suit). Anyone know where I can find older versions of iTunes? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Classic Won't Stay On
Hiya Listers, I've been having a little problem on my G4/867 Quicksilver (Tiger 10.4.9) in the last few days whereby when I click my little 9 icon in the menu bar to start up Classic, it boots up properly (mine is set so the OS 9 startup screen is visible) but it doesn't stay on (and therefore won't open the apps I need it for. Clicking on those apps in the Dock results in booting Classic, but it doesn't stay on that way either, and the apps don't open. If I shut down and reboot Mac, which I reset in System Prefs to boot Classic at startup, it boots, stays up and I can use those apps, but it shuts down again at some point later on. If I try to restart it, it does what I described in the previous paragraph. I was just thinking maybe this malfunction is because the Classic preference got corrupted and I could fix this problem by deleting it, but I was looking through all those .plist files and can't figure out for the life of me which one is for Classic. So...does it sound to any of you like a corrupted .plist for Classic is my problem, and if so, which of the .plist's needs to be deleted? If you think it's something else, kindly elaborate. Thank you, ~Yersinia. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Classic Won't Stay On
yersi...@cybernex.net wrote: Hiya Listers, I've been having a little problem on my G4/867 Quicksilver (Tiger 10.4.9) in the last few days whereby when I click my little 9 icon in the menu bar to start up Classic, it boots up properly (mine is set so the OS 9 startup screen is visible) but it doesn't stay on (and therefore won't open the apps I need it for. Clicking on those apps in the Dock results in booting Classic, but it doesn't stay on that way either, and the apps don't open. If I shut down and reboot Mac, which I reset in System Prefs to boot Classic at startup, it boots, stays up and I can use those apps, but it shuts down again at some point later on. If I try to restart it, it does what I described in the previous paragraph. Do you mean you set Startup Prefrences to boot in OS 9? Classic is OS 9 running under OS X. If you're booted in OS 9 and having the problems then it isn't any plist. You have an OS 9 problem. I'd boot in OS 9 and start with holding down extensions to see if things work okay. If it does then use Extensions manager to enable OS 9 Base extensions only. Then start turning other extensions one by one. I was just thinking maybe this malfunction is because the Classic preference got corrupted and I could fix this problem by deleting it, but I was looking through all those .plist files and can't figure out for the life of me which one is for Classic. So...does it sound to any of you like a corrupted .plist for Classic is my problem, and if so, which of the .plist's needs to be deleted? If you think it's something else, kindly elaborate. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: installing Classic over Tiger
I have been trying to install OS 9.2.2 in my G4 Titanium Powerbook running Tiger 10.4.11 for almost a yr and I'm not having any luck either... The 9.2.2 disc I have came with my OS 10.1 I used in my Clamshell 366, it wont even take the disc??? So I downloaded that OS 9.2.2 thing from the Apple website and that won't take either??? The only reason I'm even trying to do this is for my scanner and Photoshop 6.0 it needs to run on OS 9, either booted from the Startup disk or running under classic mode nothing is working and I am lost??? I'm just going to do this on my clamshell when ever I need to scan something and then I could down load it to my iPod and transfer it to my G4 Powerbook instead... I've been following this thread and having no luck with it at all... I really do not think it can be done unless I can get the orginal 9.2.2 disc that was made for this computer if there ever was one??? CoolKat -Original Message- From: J.M.P.Hissel jo...@xs4all.nl Sent: Sep 10, 2009 5:34 PM To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: installing Classic over Tiger On 10-09-2009 21:17, Jack Countryman, jcoun...@mac.com, wrote: OS 9 needs to be installed BEFORE OSX. Wipe the drive, boot from the 9 installer, and install 9. Then re-boot from the OSX installer and install OSX OVER 9. Don't know where you digged up this wisdom but, IMHO, it's complete nonsense! There are 2 possibilities: 1) If you have a Mac G4, bootable under OS 9, and a clean HD with OS 9 drivers included you can install a current OS X first and then OS 9.2.2. OR you can install 9.2.2 first and then a current OS X! Now you can start-up under OS X or OS 9. 2) If you have a Mac, bootable under OS 9 but not with the OS 9 drivers formatted, you only can use Classic but not boot under OS 9. On Macs not bootable under OS 9, you can install OS 9 afterwards and only use it under Classic, oc. HTH, Jo Hissel --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: installing Classic over Tiger
On Sep 10, 2009, at 9:14 PM, Richard Gerome wrote: I have been trying to install OS 9.2.2 in my G4 Titanium Powerbook running Tiger 10.4.11 for almost a yr and I'm not having any luck either... The 9.2.2 disc I have came with my OS 10.1 I used in my Clamshell 366, it wont even take the disc??? There are no 9.2.2 discs, with the exception of a few special model specific discs that won't work. A retail OS 9.1 disc came with OS 10.2 Jaguar. OS 10.1 Puma didn't have a bundled MacOS disc. So I downloaded that OS 9.2.2 thing from the Apple website and that won't take either??? Won't take? What's that mean? It's an OS X installer package, you double-click, it installs. What's the problem? This should work, as long as you remove the two netboot extensions from the System folderExtensions folder after the installation. The only reason I'm even trying to do this is for my scanner and Photoshop 6.0 it needs to run on OS 9, either booted from the Startup disk or running under classic mode nothing is working and I am lost??? Normally scanners won't work under Classic emulation, you'd need to be booted directly in OS 9. Perhaps if you mentioned the model of scanner, there is an OS X native way to scan? Photoshop should run in Classic, but you won't be able to scan, you'd need to be natively booted in OS 9. If you failed to install OS 9 drivers on the HD, you can't boot OS 9, it's Classic only. You can reformat the HD, install OS 9 first, then reinstall OS X, and you're golden. You can also boot OS 9 from an external FW HD if you need to. It may be possible to boot OS 9 from a USB flash drive, although I'm not certain about this on the Titanium, you'd need to try. It can be done on the clamshell for certain, I've done it. You'd need to reformat the flash drive to HFS+ before installing OS 9, then use the Option key boot. As I said, works on the clamshell, maybe not on the Titanium? I'm just going to do this on my clamshell when ever I need to scan something and then I could down load it to my iPod and transfer it to my G4 Powerbook instead... I've been following this thread and having no luck with it at all... I really do not think it can be done unless I can get the orginal 9.2.2 disc that was made for this computer if there ever was one??? It shipped with an OS 9.1 disc. You upgrade to 9.2.2 using the downloads from here: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1387 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: iTunes 9 PPC Macs
eBay ! On 9/9/09 8:48 PM, Dana Collins wrote: To our mutual dismay, the Old Mac Apps site no longer posts older versions of iTunes (Apple probably threatened suit). Anyone know where I can find older versions of iTunes? --~~~~--~~--~--~--- --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Classic Won't Stay On
Clark Martin writes, Do you mean you set Startup Prefrences to boot in OS 9? Classic is OS 9 running under OS X. If you're booted in OS 9 and having the problems then it isn't any plist. You have an OS 9 problem. I'd boot in OS 9 and start with holding down extensions to see if things work okay. If it does then use Extensions manager to enable OS 9 Base extensions only. Then start turning other extensions one by one. I'm sorry if I was unclear. Yes, I know Classic is OS 9 running under OS X -- I'm running in Tiger 10.4.9 and occasionally need to use older apps which require OS 9 but will run in Tiger if Classic is on. I don't boot in OS 9 anymore because for reasons I could never figure out, my Quicksilver stopped booting in 9 -- so I can't boot directly in OS 9. But until recently, I WAS able to boot Classic and run those apps in Classic under Tiger. In the System Preferences Panel, the Classic pane offers you a choice to start Classic at login and you select an OS 9 System folder from which to do it. So that's what I mean when I say my machine is set to boot Classic at login -- if I shut down the Mac, Classic boots and I can use it, but it doesn't STAY up, and if I try to start it up without shutting down and rebooting the machine again, in clicking the little 9 for Classic in my menu bar, I see an entire startup sequence for 9/Classic but it doesn't actually boot -- the little 9 is light instead of dark and those apps won't run. So I'd been thinking maybe Classic Prefs got corrupted, and was going to try fixing it by deleting the .plist, but I have no idea which of the zillion .plist's are for Classic ~Yersinia. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: installing Classic over Tiger
Richard Gerome wrote: I have been trying to install OS 9.2.2 in my G4 Titanium Powerbook running Tiger 10.4.11 for almost a yr and I'm not having any luck either... The 9.2.2 disc I have came with my OS 10.1 I used in my Clamshell 366, it wont even take the disc??? So I downloaded that OS 9.2.2 thing from the Apple website and that won't take either??? The only reason I'm even trying to do this is for my scanner and Photoshop 6.0 it needs to run on OS 9, either booted from the Startup disk or running under classic mode nothing is working and I am lost??? I'm just going to do this on my clamshell when ever I need to scan something and then I could down load it to my iPod and transfer it to my G4 Powerbook instead... I've been following this thread and having no luck with it at all... I really do not think it can be done unless I can get the orginal 9.2.2 disc that was made for this computer if there ever was one??? CoolKat The only way I've successfully been able to do this was to first install System 9 to an external USB or firewire drive on a System 9 bootable Mac, and install all the updates and drivers through that machine. When I installed OS X I made sure to install the System 9 drivers to the boot disc. Then I just plugged in the external drive to the new OS X machine and copied the OS 9 System Folder into a folder at the root level of the boot drive named Classic. Then I went into the System Preferences and blessed that particular System Folder. Some things never worked though, like sound. I really like the original Tetris but it flies so fast on this G5 I can't get very far, and the sound never makes it through. Guess I'll have to find an old Plus to show the kid what the real Tetris is. Hope this helps, Stephen --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: installing Classic over Tiger
Kris Tilford wrote: Normally scanners won't work under Classic emulation, you'd need to be booted directly in OS 9. Perhaps if you mentioned the model of scanner, there is an OS X native way to scan? Photoshop should run in Classic, but you won't be able to scan, you'd need to be natively booted in OS 9. If you failed to install OS 9 drivers on the HD, you can't boot OS 9, it's Classic only. You can reformat the HD, install OS 9 first, then reinstall OS X, and you're golden. That's what I thought until I tried using the UMax software with an Astra 2400U scanner. It worked okay except some issue with permissions that was easy to work around. IIRC I did have to go into the Apps OS 9 folder and make the whole scanner app folder have full R/W access to anyone. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: installing Classic over Tiger
I'm going to retry this again tomorrow when I'm not so tired... I have a Cannon 1240U I bought this way back in 2001 and I also have a Cannon S820 printer too! I got all the OS 10 down loads off Cannon's website and the printer works just fine but the scanner still boots up classic I guess to run Photo Shop??? I'm wondering if I can find a down load for Photo Shop to run in OS 10 (at least for Jaguar on my clamshell) ??? I will check that out too tomorrow... CoolKat -Original Message- From: Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net Sent: Sep 10, 2009 10:47 PM To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: installing Classic over Tiger On Sep 10, 2009, at 9:14 PM, Richard Gerome wrote: I have been trying to install OS 9.2.2 in my G4 Titanium Powerbook running Tiger 10.4.11 for almost a yr and I'm not having any luck either... The 9.2.2 disc I have came with my OS 10.1 I used in my Clamshell 366, it wont even take the disc??? There are no 9.2.2 discs, with the exception of a few special model specific discs that won't work. A retail OS 9.1 disc came with OS 10.2 Jaguar. OS 10.1 Puma didn't have a bundled MacOS disc. So I downloaded that OS 9.2.2 thing from the Apple website and that won't take either??? Won't take? What's that mean? It's an OS X installer package, you double-click, it installs. What's the problem? This should work, as long as you remove the two netboot extensions from the System folderExtensions folder after the installation. The only reason I'm even trying to do this is for my scanner and Photoshop 6.0 it needs to run on OS 9, either booted from the Startup disk or running under classic mode nothing is working and I am lost??? Normally scanners won't work under Classic emulation, you'd need to be booted directly in OS 9. Perhaps if you mentioned the model of scanner, there is an OS X native way to scan? Photoshop should run in Classic, but you won't be able to scan, you'd need to be natively booted in OS 9. If you failed to install OS 9 drivers on the HD, you can't boot OS 9, it's Classic only. You can reformat the HD, install OS 9 first, then reinstall OS X, and you're golden. You can also boot OS 9 from an external FW HD if you need to. It may be possible to boot OS 9 from a USB flash drive, although I'm not certain about this on the Titanium, you'd need to try. It can be done on the clamshell for certain, I've done it. You'd need to reformat the flash drive to HFS+ before installing OS 9, then use the Option key boot. As I said, works on the clamshell, maybe not on the Titanium? I'm just going to do this on my clamshell when ever I need to scan something and then I could down load it to my iPod and transfer it to my G4 Powerbook instead... I've been following this thread and having no luck with it at all... I really do not think it can be done unless I can get the orginal 9.2.2 disc that was made for this computer if there ever was one??? It shipped with an OS 9.1 disc. You upgrade to 9.2.2 using the downloads from here: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1387 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: installing Classic over Tiger
On Sep 10, 2009, at 8:55 PM, Richard Gerome wrote: I'm going to retry this again tomorrow when I'm not so tired... I have a Cannon 1240U I bought this way back in 2001 and I also have a Cannon S820 printer too! I got all the OS 10 down loads off Cannon's website and the printer works just fine but the scanner still boots up classic I guess to run Photo Shop?? I know for a fact that the Canon 1240u software works in OS X because I have the same scanner. I'd go looking for an update to Photoshop. Version 7 was the first version that ran in OS X. You can also use it with Graphics Converter, iirc. (I use VueScan now, anyway, much better software) -- Bruce Johnson U of Az College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions don't have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Classic Won't Stay On
On Sep 10, 2009, at 10:15 PM, yersi...@cybernex.net wrote: I'm running in Tiger 10.4.9 Typo perhaps? If not, upgrade to 10.4.11. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
