[Gimp-user] Gimp Font List or remove unwanted fonts

2016-03-31 Thread Snowyn
>It wasn't me who first suggested modifying fonts.conf. Indeed, I am 
>probably against this approach. 
>
>I suggest it may be easier, (and as you know you can create 
>collections, which is what I think you wished GIMP could do) to use 
>OSX's Font Book.app to browse for a font, and then to use GIMP's text 
>tool options to select it by entering its name (or part thereof) using
>the font selector's text-field selection tool.
>
Not easier for me at all. I usually already know what font I want to use. If I
don't, I go to a file I have created where I have lines of "The quick brown fox
jumps over the lazy dog" in every font I have on my system (and I have further
organized these lines into serif, sans, mono, script, and "odd"). This file
shows me what every font I have looks like in a-z lowercase. Though I didn't
realize I could type the name into the text selection tool. So I do thank you
for that.

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Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp Font List or remove unwanted fonts

2016-03-28 Thread uga...@talktalk.net
It wasn't me who first suggested modifying fonts.conf. Indeed, I am 
probably against this approach. 

I suggest it may be easier, (and as you know you can create 
collections, which is what I think you wished GIMP could do) to use 
OSX's Font Book.app to browse for a font, and then to use GIMP's text 
tool options to select it by entering its name (or part thereof) using 
the font selector's text-field selection tool.

-u

>Original Message
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>Date: 28/03/2016 00:28
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>Subj: [Gimp-user] Gimp Font List or remove unwanted fonts
>
>>It isn't clear why you want to replace /Library/Fonts with
>>8/fonts as this file path is already defined in GIMP > Fonts > 
>>Font Folders preferences. 
>>
>>On OSX there are 4 default files paths in fonts.conf, which could be 
>>commented out. The fonts.config file is here: /Applications/GIMP.
>>app/Contents/Resources/etc/fonts. 
>>
>>However, GIMP will not display any fonts, unless you also e.g.
>>populate
>>/Users/your_user_name/Library/Application Support/GIMP/2.8/fonts 
with 
>>some fonts.
>>8/fonts
>>Gimp)
>
>Hi Ugajin (hope I spelled that right),
>
>Thank you for the suggestion of looking in fonts.conf and possibly 
modifying
>that. I will try this idea.
>
>However, FYI, I have looked in both /Users/.../GIMP/2.8/fonts and in 
the GIMP
>Application Resources fonts file, and there are zero fonts in there. 
So even
>though both those folders are empty, GIMP is displaying all the fonts 
in
>/System/Library/Fonts/ and in /Library/Fonts/ -- or at least all the 
*active*
>fonts in those folders. I have used Font Boss to deactivate a bunch of 
fonts. I
>also used monolingual (or something like that name) to remove 
"everything" that
>was not English language, and I *think* it removed a bunch of Chinese 
and
>Japanese and miscellaneous non-Roman-alphabet fonts. Although it did 
keep the
>system fonts that are non-Roman-alphabet.
>
>Snowyn
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Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp Font List or remove unwanted fonts

2016-03-27 Thread Michael Schumacher
Am 27.03.2016 um 07:27 schrieb MareroQ:
> Try it my way (it works for Windows - so maybe also for Mac).
> 
> Find the file fonts.conf (... / etc / fonts /)

Expanding on that - modifying the fontconfig settings is the way to go.

Instead of modifying the global configuration - which might be
overwritten by a new GIMP package - making changes to your own personal
fonts.conf file is more durable.

The docs intended for fontconfig users are located at
https://www.freedesktop.org/software/fontconfig/fontconfig-user.html

In principle, you want something along the lines of



/usr/share/fonts/foo/*



or maybe a more fine-grained rejection based on font family names (or
other attributes):





bar





Examples taken from
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Font_configuration#Whitelisting_and_blacklisting_fonts


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Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp Font List or remove unwanted fonts

2016-03-27 Thread Ross Martinek
Font Book allows you to turn fonts off, effectively removing them from 
application use.

Ross

On Mar 27, 2016, at 3:25 AM, uga...@talktalk.net wrote:

> I did not suggest using Font Book.app to deactivate system files. I 
> tried to say that removing fonts from /System/Library/Fonts is 
> potentially harmful. I suggested using Font Book.app to browse, 
> organise and/or manage your fonts. 
> 
> 
>> Original Message
>> From: triariu...@gmail.com
>> Date: 27/03/2016 03:17
>> To: "Snowyn"<for...@gimpusers.com>
>> Cc: <gimp-user-list@gnome.org>, <notificati...@gimpusers.com>
>> Subj: Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp Font List or remove unwanted fonts
>> 
>> Also as ugajin suggests, try using Font Book to deactivate system 
> files, rather than removing them.
>> 
>> Ross
>> 
>> On Mar 26, 2016, at 4:27 PM, Snowyn wrote:
>> 
>>>> The reason you cannot remove the "system fonts" is that they are 
> part
>>>> of "core services." under current OS X versions these can only be
>>>> altered by the administrative user account with authentication from
>>>> Apple via an Apple ID, but it (supposedly) can be done.
>>> 
>>>> Ross
>>> 
>>> Do you have any recommendations on how to get "authentication from 
> Apple via an
>>> Apple ID" or where I should post to get help from Apple on this?
>>> 
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Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp Font List or remove unwanted fonts

2016-03-27 Thread uga...@talktalk.net

It isn't clear why you want to replace /Library/Fonts with 
>/Users/your_user_name/Library/Application Support/GIMP/2.
8/fonts as this file path is already defined in GIMP > Fonts > 
Font Folders preferences. 

On OSX there are 4 default files paths in fonts.conf, which could be 
commented out. The fonts.config file is here: /Applications/GIMP.
app/Contents/Resources/etc/fonts. 

However, GIMP will not display any fonts, unless you also e.g. populate 
/Users/your_user_name/Library/Application Support/GIMP/2.8/fonts with 
some fonts. 




>Original Message
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>Date: 27/03/2016 06:27
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>Subj: [Gimp-user] Gimp Font List or remove unwanted fonts
>
>Try it my way (it works for Windows - so maybe also for Mac).
>
>Find the file fonts.conf (... / etc / fonts /)
>
>Replace lines:
>
>/Library/Fonts
>
>on the path to the fonts in Gimp - I guess:
>
>/Users/your_user_name/Library/Application Support/GIMP/2.
8/fonts
>
>and should be in Gimp without system fonts (only the fonts directory 
Gimp)
>
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[Gimp-user] Gimp Font List or remove unwanted fonts

2016-03-27 Thread MareroQ
Try it my way (it works for Windows - so maybe also for Mac).

Find the file fonts.conf (... / etc / fonts /)

Replace lines:

/Library/Fonts

on the path to the fonts in Gimp - I guess:

/Users/your_user_name/Library/Application Support/GIMP/2.8/fonts

and should be in Gimp without system fonts (only the fonts directory Gimp)

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[Gimp-user] Gimp Font List or remove unwanted fonts

2016-03-27 Thread Snowyn
>Also as ugajin suggests, try using Font Book to deactivate system
>files, rather than removing them.
>
>Ross

I have tried. Font Book refuses to deactivate system fonts.

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[Gimp-user] Gimp Font List or remove unwanted fonts

2016-03-27 Thread Snowyn
>First, what version of OSX are you using?
>
>I just tried removing a system font under Yosemite, and it worked. I
>have to assume that the account you are using does not have root
>administration access.
>
>If you are running El Capitan, then the way I've been told it works is
>that when you attempt to make a modification to the system-reserved
>software, Apple sends a message to one of your other devices (iPhone,
>iPad, iPod, etc.) that asks you to verify your Apple ID. When you do
>so from that device, your computer will grant you full access. In
>other words, even if you are logging in as the sole administrative
>user, you have to verify that semi-independently to get full access.
>That means that if your computer is stolen, they have to steal at
>least one other device and have your Apple ID to get full access. Nice
>of Appleto force you to buy another Apple device.
>
>That's as I understand it, as I haven't "upgraded" to the latest
>version, though I will do so shortly. I'm glad Apple takes security as
>seriously as they do. I just wish they were still good enough to do it
>in a user friendly manner.
>
>Apple has a very good support site: Apple.com/support.
>
>"Those who give up their liberty to gain security deserve neither."
>Benjamin Franklin
>
>Ross

Using El Capitan. And there are two admin users on this system. One from the
original owner. One for me. I have lost track of the password for the original
owner's admin account. Also do not have the root password. While the original
owner is a friend of mine, he doesn't remember his password either. El Capitan's
"protection" for fonts in /System/Library/Fonts/ is apparently much stronger
than for Yosemite. Frankly, for a variety of reasons, I am sorry that I ever
upgraded to El Capitan. Much preferred Yosemite.

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Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp Font List or remove unwanted fonts

2016-03-27 Thread uga...@talktalk.net
I did not suggest using Font Book.app to deactivate system files. I 
tried to say that removing fonts from /System/Library/Fonts is 
potentially harmful. I suggested using Font Book.app to browse, 
organise and/or manage your fonts. 


>Original Message
>From: triariu...@gmail.com
>Date: 27/03/2016 03:17
>To: "Snowyn"<for...@gimpusers.com>
>Cc: <gimp-user-list@gnome.org>, <notificati...@gimpusers.com>
>Subj: Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp Font List or remove unwanted fonts
>
>Also as ugajin suggests, try using Font Book to deactivate system 
files, rather than removing them.
>
>Ross
>
>On Mar 26, 2016, at 4:27 PM, Snowyn wrote:
>
>>> The reason you cannot remove the "system fonts" is that they are 
part
>>> of "core services." under current OS X versions these can only be
>>> altered by the administrative user account with authentication from
>>> Apple via an Apple ID, but it (supposedly) can be done.
>> 
>>> Ross
>> 
>> Do you have any recommendations on how to get "authentication from 
Apple via an
>> Apple ID" or where I should post to get help from Apple on this?
>> 
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Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp Font List or remove unwanted fonts

2016-03-26 Thread Ross Martinek
Also as ugajin suggests, try using Font Book to deactivate system files, rather 
than removing them.

Ross

On Mar 26, 2016, at 4:27 PM, Snowyn wrote:

>> The reason you cannot remove the "system fonts" is that they are part
>> of "core services." under current OS X versions these can only be
>> altered by the administrative user account with authentication from
>> Apple via an Apple ID, but it (supposedly) can be done.
> 
>> Ross
> 
> Do you have any recommendations on how to get "authentication from Apple via 
> an
> Apple ID" or where I should post to get help from Apple on this?
> 
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Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp Font List or remove unwanted fonts

2016-03-26 Thread uga...@talktalk.net

Don't use GIMP to scroll through fonts, use Font Book.app. It is 
designed to let you search, organise and manage your fonts.

OSX is preventing you from doing something harmful. Ordinarily you 
ought not remove and/or rename System files, nor (as a rule) whould you 
add files to the OSX System/Library. Most OSX fonts are not located in 
/System/Library/Fonts, but are by default located in Library/Fonts, but 
it is also probably a bad idea to change the file names for fonts in 
this location too. However, if you are set on this appraoach then you 
will probably be better to copy/duplicate font files accross to 
/Users/your_user_name/Library/Application Support/GIMP/2.8/fonts, and 
make any changes to the font file names in this location.

 






>Original Message
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>Date: 26/03/2016 18:46
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>Subj: [Gimp-user] Gimp Font List or remove unwanted fonts
>
>>Steve,
>>
>>Nice workaround for the ordering. On the Mac OS, you can also add a
>>special character that sorts last to get the unwanted fonts down to
>>the bottom of the list. I use  which generates an omega
>>character.
>>
>>Ross
>
>Thanks for adding this to Steve's reply. If I can rename fonts, I can 
also use
>"99" to send fonts to the bottom of the list. And Option z looks 
awesome as
>well.
>
>(Main problem continues to be that I cannot do anything to the system 
fonts in
>/System/Library/Fonts/. That is, I assume that since I cannot move 
them to the
>trash or make them inactive in the Font Book, I also cannot rename 
them. But I
>will try it out and see.
>
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[Gimp-user] Gimp Font List or remove unwanted fonts

2016-03-26 Thread Snowyn
>Try this:  Go to Edit > Preferences > Folders > Fonts, and see if
>the system wide fonts directory is listed.  If so, remove it,
>restart the GIMP and see if you have /any/ fonts available.  If not,
>you can put copies of the fonts you want to use in the GIMP in its
>own font directory, and that should do the deed.
>
>It should be possible to reorder the font listing in the GIMP by
>renaming the font files, i.e. add 01, 02, etc. to groups you want to
>see listed first, second, etc.
>
>:o)

The System wide fonts directory is not listed in GIMP preferences. Also:

Alas, I cannot rename any of the font files in /System/Library/Fonts. While I
can rename files in /Library/Fonts/, that has no effect on GIMP's list of fonts.
Similarly, adding fonts (of any name) to the two GIMP folders (share, and user)
also has no effect on GIMP's list of fonts.

Bummer. :-(

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[Gimp-user] Gimp Font List or remove unwanted fonts

2016-03-26 Thread Snowyn
>The reason you cannot remove the "system fonts" is that they are part
>of "core services." under current OS X versions these can only be
>altered by the administrative user account with authentication from
>Apple via an Apple ID, but it (supposedly) can be done.

>Ross

Do you have any recommendations on how to get "authentication from Apple via an
Apple ID" or where I should post to get help from Apple on this?

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[Gimp-user] Gimp Font List or remove unwanted fonts

2016-03-26 Thread Snowyn
>I just went into /System/Libary/Fonts and removed some. I had to type
>in my admin name and password. However, I'm running OS 10.6.8. I'll
>have to try with a later system and find out if that's a change Apple
>made on later systems. Will let you know.
>
>Ross

Indeed, cannot remove them from /System/Library/Fonts, not even when logged into
my admin user account. Also cannot rename them. While I can rename fonts in
other folders (eg /Library/Fonts or the two GIMP font folders -- in share and in
user) this has no effect on GIMP's font list. I am running El Capitan, now
10.11.4.

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Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp Font List or remove unwanted fonts

2016-03-26 Thread Ross Martinek
I just went into /System/Libary/Fonts and removed some. I had to type in my 
admin name and password. However, I'm running OS 10.6.8. I'll have to try with 
a later system and find out if that's a change Apple made on later systems. 
Will let you know.

Ross

On Mar 26, 2016, at 1:46 PM, Snowyn wrote:

>> Steve,
>> 
>> Nice workaround for the ordering. On the Mac OS, you can also add a
>> special character that sorts last to get the unwanted fonts down to
>> the bottom of the list. I use  which generates an omega
>> character.
>> 
>> Ross
> 
> Thanks for adding this to Steve's reply. If I can rename fonts, I can also use
> "99" to send fonts to the bottom of the list. And Option z looks awesome as
> well.
> 
> (Main problem continues to be that I cannot do anything to the system fonts in
> /System/Library/Fonts/. That is, I assume that since I cannot move them to the
> trash or make them inactive in the Font Book, I also cannot rename them. But I
> will try it out and see.
> 
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[Gimp-user] Gimp Font List or remove unwanted fonts

2016-03-26 Thread Snowyn
>Steve,
>
>Nice workaround for the ordering. On the Mac OS, you can also add a
>special character that sorts last to get the unwanted fonts down to
>the bottom of the list. I use  which generates an omega
>character.
>
>Ross

Thanks for adding this to Steve's reply. If I can rename fonts, I can also use
"99" to send fonts to the bottom of the list. And Option z looks awesome as
well.

(Main problem continues to be that I cannot do anything to the system fonts in
/System/Library/Fonts/. That is, I assume that since I cannot move them to the
trash or make them inactive in the Font Book, I also cannot rename them. But I
will try it out and see.

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[Gimp-user] Gimp Font List or remove unwanted fonts

2016-03-26 Thread Snowyn
>The reason you cannot remove the "system fonts" is that they are part
>of "core services." under current OS X versions these can only be
>altered by the administrative user account with authentication from
>Apple via an Apple ID, but it (supposedly) can be done.
>
>Another approach is to not install the foreign font families at the
>time of OS installation, if you want to do a clean install.
>
>Ross

Thank you!

H. I do have an Apple ID and an admin user account (though perhaps not THE
admin user account, if there is such a thing as only one). Also, a couple of
other folks' replies on this thread have suggested better ways I can deal with
the GIMP font-list issue in itself. GIMP is pretty much the only program where
scrolling past a zillion system fonts is a serious problem. Adobe Open Office
also has some of them, but only as families. Three PingFang fonts in a list is
not all that big a deal. Eighteen of them is.

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[Gimp-user] Gimp Font List or remove unwanted fonts

2016-03-26 Thread Snowyn
>Try this:  Go to Edit > Preferences > Folders > Fonts, and see if
>the system wide fonts directory is listed.  If so, remove it,
>restart the GIMP and see if you have /any/ fonts available.  If not,
>you can put copies of the fonts you want to use in the GIMP in its
>own font directory, and that should do the deed.
>
>It should be possible to reorder the font listing in the GIMP by
>renaming the font files, i.e. add 01, 02, etc. to groups you want to
>see listed first, second, etc.
>
>:o)

Thanks so much! This looks like awesome advice. On my Mac, preferences is
actually under the GIMP menu, but then yes: Folders > Fonts.

The two "culprit" folders with the fonts I do not want to see are not listed
(namely /System/Library/Fonts/ and /Library/Fonts/), but two GIMP folders are. I
will experiment with putting fonts into the GIMP folders and see if that will
override the default looking into /System/Library/Fonts/ which is the source of
unwanted (the folder I cannot change anything in). Also, I cannot rename
anything in /System/Library/Fonts but can certainly do so in /Library/Fonts/ and
in the two GIMP folders. So I will give that a whirl as well.

Thanks again!

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Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp Font List or remove unwanted fonts

2016-03-26 Thread Steve Kinney
On 03/26/2016 09:32 AM, Ross Martinek wrote:

> The reason you cannot remove the "system fonts" is that they are part of 
> "core services." under current OS X versions these can only be altered by the 
> administrative user account with authentication from Apple via an Apple ID, 
> but it (supposedly) can be done.
> 
> Another approach is to not install the foreign font families at the time of 
> OS installation, if you want to do a clean install.

Try this:  Go to Edit > Preferences > Folders > Fonts, and see if
the system wide fonts directory is listed.  If so, remove it,
restart the GIMP and see if you have /any/ fonts available.  If not,
you can put copies of the fonts you want to use in the GIMP in its
own font directory, and that should do the deed.

It should be possible to reorder the font listing in the GIMP by
renaming the font files, i.e. add 01, 02, etc. to groups you want to
see listed first, second, etc.

:o)



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[Gimp-user] Gimp Font List or remove unwanted fonts

2016-03-26 Thread Snowyn
I want to customize the font list shown on GIMP so that it does not show me
fonts I will never use but cannot remove from my system because OS X insists
they are system fonts. However, I don't need Japanese, Hebrew, Chinese, etc
alphabets, and I cannot disable them in the font book, or delete them from the
font folder.

It would also be wonderful if GIMP would condense its font list into families
instead of displaying each individual one. Eg, Arial, Arial Italic, Arial Bold,
and Arial Bold Italic could easily be one entry instead of four. Scrolling past
a gazillion fonts just to reach the one I want to use is getting annoying. It
would also be wonderful if GIMP would allow me to create custom lists, eg
SansSerif fonts, Script fonts, and the like.

BTW, I have looked in my GIMP font folders, both for user and for the
application, and both are empty.

Thanks for any assistance you can provide, or light you can shed on this
situation.

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