Re: [HOT] [OSM-talk] Changing capitalization (Lima)
Igor added a export-tag command to Maperitive that creates a local CSV file that can be brought into a spreadsheet. You need a local copy of the .OSM file or possibly .pbf version should work as well. It's very useful for spotting tags that are misspelt. Once there you can concat red tape to create xml commands to get JOSM to upload the changes. I've a couple of sample VB programs that run done a local file and make changes, a sort of off line bot if you like but I wouldn't like them to escape into general use there are too many bots out there at the moment. Cheerio John On 1 June 2012 22:05, Jaakko Helleranta.com jaa...@helleranta.com wrote: (Added HOT to the list as the issue here is probably of interest In the areas where HOT is active.) Andrzej, What was your process / what tools did you use? In general: I've dreamed of solutions to fix not only capitalization errors / fuckups but also various other typing errors / mistakes in names to use especvially in Haiti where I've spent countless hours trying to combat things that various helping hands are creating on a steady basis. My dream solution would be a simple(?) export-import tool that would make it possible to: 1) Export desired tag values (1 at a time) to csv / your_favorite_spreadsheet_format 2) Fix the typos/etc errors in that give data 3) Import/Upload the fixed data back to OSM. As Alex originally questioned/thought_aloud fixing of names _could_ happen simply by editing the xml file manually -- but you'd need to always remember to add the edited tag into the right place for the edit to work / get registered in the data upload. .. And such data manipulation is simply _so_ much easier in a spreadsheet application -- and can be outsourced to people who understand nothing about geo/tech tools but who know how to fix CapiTAliZaTi0n errors / typos. The additional reason I'd _love_ to have such tool is that it could make it possible to create a simple list of eg all schools, hospitals, restaurants, what_not within a given osm file. .. Especially convenient would be if the developer of such tool would make it possible to export / list more than just one field into the csv/spreadsheet file; say, name, address, phone, email, website, description, etc. Adding and updating such attribute data would imo be _so_ much easier / more efficient in a spreadsheet than one-by-one in JOSM/Potlacth/etc. If someone would have a Kickstarter/etc project to do this (or can point me to an existing such solution) I'd be very much willing to contribute, say, $100-200 depending on the richness of features of such tool. Cheers, -Jaakko Sent from my BlackBerry® device from Digicel -- Mobile: +509-37-26 91 54, Skype/GoogleTalk: jhelleranta -Original Message- From: andrzej zaborowski balr...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 16:34:21 To: Alex Bartha...@mapbox.com Cc: openstreetmapt...@openstreetmap.org; ru...@developmentseed.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Changing capitalization (Lima) On 31 May 2012 17:39, Alex Barth a...@mapbox.com wrote: We're currently working with Ruben (user Rub21) on fixing street name capitalization in Lima - a lot of the street names are ALL CAPS where they should be properly capitalized. We're doing this work manually right now and are well under way. It's quite time intensive though - any examples of where such a cleanup process has been automated on OSM before? I ran such a process on the POI names in Girona that were imported just before the SOTM'10. Accents were correct already and python dealt with them correctly. The only special cases were some prepositions that are written in lower case and the Catalan use of apostrophe. http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/5073672 is one of the changesets. Cheers ___ talk mailing list t...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list t...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Where to start?
I've picked up a task, 699 - Ebola Outbreak, ETC Locations Context - Experienced Mappers Only so started up JOSM and imaged with Bing, the square I'm looking at looks as if the basic road network is in already and many of the buildings are in as well. I can see a need for tags but short of being on the ground I can't think of a way to find out the information. Perhaps I'll try another task. Thanks John On 18 October 2014 13:07, Kate Chapman kate.chap...@hotosm.org wrote: Hi John, Have you taken a look at the Tasking Managner? http://tasks.hotosm.org/ If you login there with your OSM account you'll see instructions for various tasks. You can then pick one it checkout an area to work on. Does that make sense? Best, -Kate On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 10:03 AM, john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com wrote: Probably sounds dumb but I'll ask the question anyway. I'm a fairly experienced OSM mapper mainly doing CANVEC imports and tagging details working in JOSM so if I have have a bit of time available where is the most appropriate place to start thinking in terms of CANVEC isn't available so the process will be different, so where/how do you suggest I start? Thanks John ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot -- Kate Chapman Executive Director email: kate.chap...@hotosm.org U.S. mobile: +1 703 673 8834 Indonesian mobile: +62 82123068370 *Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team * *Using OpenStreetMap for Humanitarian Response Economic Development* web http://hot.openstreetmap.org | twitter http://twitter.com/hotosm | facebook http://facebook.com/hotosm | donate http://hot.openstreetmap.org/donate ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Where to start?
I had a look at a couple of those, drop roads in, even looking at those I get the impression that most roads/tracks had been input or at least all the ones I could see although the tiles were not marked completed. I'll have a look at the tasks towards the end perhaps I can find a bit of blank map there. Thanks John On 18 October 2014 13:36, Kate Chapman kate.chap...@hotosm.org wrote: Hi John, Even though you are an experienced mapper perhaps start with a beginner task. It is harder to identify feature of places you have never been though really it is just a matter of practice. Best, Kate On Oct 18, 2014 10:23 AM, john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com wrote: I've picked up a task, 699 - Ebola Outbreak, ETC Locations Context - Experienced Mappers Only so started up JOSM and imaged with Bing, the square I'm looking at looks as if the basic road network is in already and many of the buildings are in as well. I can see a need for tags but short of being on the ground I can't think of a way to find out the information. Perhaps I'll try another task. Thanks John On 18 October 2014 13:07, Kate Chapman kate.chap...@hotosm.org wrote: Hi John, Have you taken a look at the Tasking Managner? http://tasks.hotosm.org/ If you login there with your OSM account you'll see instructions for various tasks. You can then pick one it checkout an area to work on. Does that make sense? Best, -Kate On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 10:03 AM, john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com wrote: Probably sounds dumb but I'll ask the question anyway. I'm a fairly experienced OSM mapper mainly doing CANVEC imports and tagging details working in JOSM so if I have have a bit of time available where is the most appropriate place to start thinking in terms of CANVEC isn't available so the process will be different, so where/how do you suggest I start? Thanks John ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot -- Kate Chapman Executive Director email: kate.chap...@hotosm.org U.S. mobile: +1 703 673 8834 Indonesian mobile: +62 82123068370 *Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team * *Using OpenStreetMap for Humanitarian Response Economic Development* web http://hot.openstreetmap.org | twitter http://twitter.com/hotosm | facebook http://facebook.com/hotosm | donate http://hot.openstreetmap.org/donate ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
[HOT] building=house
Looking at several bits of mapping in Africa it seems to be normal to use a rectangle tagged building=house. Would a simple POI tagged building=house be acceptable? Most rendering systems will drop an icon on a tagged POI, they take up a little less room in the database and its faster to drop a POI in the center of a house than draw a square. Is there a special reason for using rectangles in this way rather than POIs? Thanks John ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Video that Best Represents Our Work?
Talking of videos are there any training videos about what HOT expects? The reason I ask is that although we break down to give tasks can we break it down even more. ie teach someone to do a simple task of map a building using high resolution satellite imagery, sounds dumb but map one in JOSM, q it to square it, tag it building=yes, select, Crtlc move the mouse to another crtlv, adjust the four corners, q again etc. The concept is we can teach people to map buildings on You-tube, its simple and has value. Another would teach people how to recognise a road and to tag it or highway=path. We may need expertise to map things like water bodies, rivers, streams and forests but buildings and footpaths in Africa are probably 80% of what needs to be mapped and you don't need a degree in GIS to do this. Let's delegate what we can. Cheerio John On 20 October 2014 15:55, Kate Chapman kate.chap...@hotosm.org wrote: Hi All, Is there a video you think best represents our work? Most videos seem to focus on one project or are a talk at a conference. Do we have anything that is less specific? Thanks, -Kate -- Kate Chapman Executive Director email: kate.chap...@hotosm.org U.S. mobile: +1 703 673 8834 Indonesian mobile: +62 82123068370 *Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team * *Using OpenStreetMap for Humanitarian Response Economic Development* web http://hot.openstreetmap.org | twitter http://twitter.com/hotosm | facebook http://facebook.com/hotosm | donate http://hot.openstreetmap.org/donate ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Video that Best Represents Our Work?
So the fantasy would be a simple screen cast video using something like HOT task 690 http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/690 since it uses the high resolution satellite imagery, Kevin Bullock's presentation http://vimeo.com/91880883 covers why this type is best to work from, the interesting bit starts 5 mins in to the presentation, locally there have been some clean up issues with lower resolution satellite imagery and mentioning the use of the JOSM building plug in as mentioned by Tom Taylor https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JkiL8wlvJqdVMgGxKXPzF22YzQ-S08Q31zZQna9CTMk/edit To come back to the original topic I think you need an overview, starting perhaps with a couple of interviews from two or three AID agencies about why the OSM maps are important to them and how they are used. Then flip to the sources of data which are made free to use such as DigitalGlobe, UN place names, and finally a few mappers putting it altogether. Given that the maps are useful perhaps Unicef or someone might have some resources for this? Or the BBC? Cheerio John On 21 October 2014 01:42, Kate Chapman kate.chap...@hotosm.org wrote: Hi John, There are a few videos out there, but I don't know of too many recent ones. You are right a simple screencast showing how to map a building for example would be really helpful. I made some videos in 2010 about mapping from imagery in Haiti and people really enjoyed them. Having updated ones would be great. Best, -Kate On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 5:59 PM, john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com wrote: Talking of videos are there any training videos about what HOT expects? The reason I ask is that although we break down to give tasks can we break it down even more. ie teach someone to do a simple task of map a building using high resolution satellite imagery, sounds dumb but map one in JOSM, q it to square it, tag it building=yes, select, Crtlc move the mouse to another crtlv, adjust the four corners, q again etc. The concept is we can teach people to map buildings on You-tube, its simple and has value. Another would teach people how to recognise a road and to tag it or highway=path. We may need expertise to map things like water bodies, rivers, streams and forests but buildings and footpaths in Africa are probably 80% of what needs to be mapped and you don't need a degree in GIS to do this. Let's delegate what we can. Cheerio John On 20 October 2014 15:55, Kate Chapman kate.chap...@hotosm.org wrote: Hi All, Is there a video you think best represents our work? Most videos seem to focus on one project or are a talk at a conference. Do we have anything that is less specific? Thanks, -Kate -- Kate Chapman Executive Director email: kate.chap...@hotosm.org U.S. mobile: +1 703 673 8834 Indonesian mobile: +62 82123068370 *Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team * *Using OpenStreetMap for Humanitarian Response Economic Development* web http://hot.openstreetmap.org | twitter http://twitter.com/hotosm | facebook http://facebook.com/hotosm | donate http://hot.openstreetmap.org/donate ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot -- Kate Chapman Executive Director email: kate.chap...@hotosm.org U.S. mobile: +1 703 673 8834 Indonesian mobile: +62 82123068370 *Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team * *Using OpenStreetMap for Humanitarian Response Economic Development* web http://hot.openstreetmap.org | twitter http://twitter.com/hotosm | facebook http://facebook.com/hotosm | donate http://hot.openstreetmap.org/donate ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] [OSM-talk] Missing Maps article in New Scientist
Interesting what sort of smart phones / process are they using and can we get some to other areas? Thanks John On 24 October 2014 12:28, jc...@mail.com wrote: Hi This week's New Scientist magazine (no 2992) has an article about the Missing Maps project. You can read it in full on their website. http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg22429924.100-slumdog-mapmakers-fill-in-the-urban-blanks.html?full=true JC ___ talk mailing list t...@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
[HOT] Working with people on the ground.
Just an idle thought but if we had some idea of what to map as a priority and some feedback on how a particular area was being mapped ie what was more useful and what would be useful to have we might be able to do a better more tailored approach. It wouldn't be through the mailing group since there would be too much traffic but perhaps a contact through the HOT tasking web page? Thanks Cheerio John ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] bother adding source=Whatever to each object?
To take this slightly further in JOSM when you upload it takes the title of the imagery so where I'm working its DigitalGlobe’s WorldView-2 however I have noticed some mapping being done that is consistently out compared to the DigitalGlobe imagery but matches up exactly with the available Bing imagery. Some Satellite imagery is more accurate than others, Kevin Bullock http://stateofthemap.us/session/mapping-the-world-in-raster/ 15 mins in for 90 seconds covers it nicely. Perhaps some automated tool could check the change sets for HOT uploading to just verify the most accurate image is being used and suggest the most accurate source back to the mapper if it isn't. Thanks John On 3 November 2014 14:01, Ray Kiddy r...@ganymede.org wrote: On Mon, 3 Nov 2014 19:51:52 +0100 Sander Deryckere sander...@gmail.com wrote: It's more logical to put it on the changeset. Like when you draw a building, and add source=bing. But then someone who lives there gives it a name, and forgets to alter the source, the object has data that can't be derived from the source. So it's in fact your edit operation that has a source, not the object itself. I had wondered about this when I saw multiple source values on an object. I mean, which other attributes came from which source? Technically the source should map to the subset of the attributes that were observed from that source, but in real life, I would have no idea how that could be presented in a way anyone would understand. As such, source=Bing is by many mappers preferred on the changeset (also because it keeps the database a bit smaller). When you edit with JOSM, you can add the source manually as a tag to the changeset (which is handy if your source is a survey or offline source). In iD, it automatically logs the imagery used in the changeset, but you don't get an option to give other sources (which is why many people still put a source on the objects). So I understand this to mean that if you are putting in an object from the imagery in front of you, you do not need to do anything else. I am not seeing that iD is attaching this anywhere but I may not be looking in the right place. But as long as the database sees it, I do not need to. Take away point, I do not need to set the source 100 times and I am good with that. cheers - ray Regards, Sander 2014-11-03 19:41 GMT+01:00 Ray Kiddy r...@ganymede.org: Hello - This is probably a somewhat basic question about editing for HOT tasks. As I have been editing in various HOT tasks, I have been adding something like source=Bing (where that is the imagery) onto every road, every building, every ... everything that I create. Need I bother with this? I have seen in (perhaps just some tasks') instructions that I could also just put this on the changeset comment. So I can just add it to the changeset once instead of adding it to the object 100 times? If it could be put on the changeset comment and not on every object, that would be convenient. It would also explain why, when I look at all of the objects others have created, I hardly ever see a source value. So, am I doing too much work by re-entering the source value every time? What is the level of diligence expected here? thanx - ray ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] unknown structures are buildings?
I suspect they are fenced areas for cattle or cattle pens. In Cameroon I've been using the JOSM building tool to map them then changing the tags to barrier=wall. Contact with a mapper on the ground would help enormously with these sort of structures. Cheerio John On 3 November 2014 19:41, Warren Roberts gisteac...@gmail.com wrote: Does anyone have an idea if these are walls for building (without roof) .. there are many and in Sierra Leone. Wanted to identify them ether to digitize them as buildings. Thanks [image: --] Warren Roberts [image: http://] about.me/gisteacher http://about.me/gisteacher(typos intensional) http://about.me/gisteacher http://about.me/gisteacher ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Fwd: mapping standards
I'm currently mapping #684 - Polio outbreak and Ebola preparedness, Meiganga, Cameroon and I must confess I have questions about the project. I can understand French especially a European or African accent so the video was useful to some extent. To me HOT is different to normal OSM. In normal OSM people basically do their own thing. Sometimes they use standard tags but there is a wide range and style of tagging. HOT prepares maps for a particular target audience so to my mind takes a more standarised approach. What I haven't seen is a list of requirements. There is a list of tasks but that isn't the same as a list of requirements. For Meiganga there are thousands of buildings to be mapped. I understand the idea that ideally each building outline shape should be carefully mapped but realistically with the JOSM building tool I can approximate the building size in two or three seconds. To carefully trace the outline takes me twenty seconds or so. If I look at some tasks I see someone has mapped three buildings then given up. They are beautifully mapped but when there are another 98+ buildings to map in the task and another 180 odd tasks to do? Yes we are using volunteers so their time doesn't cost us anything but mapping buildings is tedious and how fast do we want the information to be made available and how accurate do we need it? What exactly is the requirement? I think for this you need to go back to the AID agencies and the Cameroon government cartographers and get them to make a list and set priorities. Can we tackle the tasks differently? The road network and water really need to be done first. It's better to have as few a number of segments in a read as possible. That way when you tag the name you only need do it once. Water, in a task its difficult to see if its a river, ditch or a clump of trees sometimes. From further out you stand a better chance. Also if we break the tasks down then the grunts, sorry less skilled volunteers, can tick off the task as done when they've mapped all the houses and paths. If they are daunted by the idea that they have to map all the residential and non-residential buildings and forests before marking the task done they maybe reluctant to tick the box and we end up with lots of tasks mapped but not ticked as done. Then we get to the quality of the map. It sounds dumb but different satellites have different accuracy. DigitalGlobe’s WorldView-2 is one of the better ones. There was presentation by *Kevin* Bullock on the subject at a SOTM US recently but the video seems to have disappeared. If you can find it the relevant bit is 15 mins in for 90 seconds. If you look at in task 684 you'll notice that the Bing imagery and the Mapbox imagery don't quite line up. Some mapping has been carefully done from Bing and some from the DigitalGlobe imagery. Can we clean the data up? Interesting question, from a satellite imagery I'm unable to tell if a building is residential or not, however many buildings mapped from satellite imagery are tagged building=house rather than building=yes. I would suggest that if building=house is tagged from satellite imagery this be changed to building=yes by bot but only if its the initial tag on the building. Some small blobs might be a car or an outhouse. Perhaps it might be worthwhile to scan for a minimum size building? If we go back to the idea of requirements again it seems likely that to get a better map we need someone on the ground. worldbicyclerelief.org do reasonable bikes for Africa, I'm from a technical background so I like the idea of some sort of computing device to enter data on. Smart phone perhaps or can we work with one of the local schools? I assume that Internet access is not ideal but text messaging might work. I'd envisage compressing / encoding the information so it fitted into the constraints of text messaging to get the updates back. It would need some programming effort on the device and at the other end but there are a large number of programmers around OSM. This may well be already sorted out but as a mapper I'd like to think that my efforts were used rather than left waiting for someone on the ground to do their bit. I might even dump some cash into a charity that could sort this sort of stuff out and yes I know its not as instant as a bag of flour but it is important to have the infrastructure in place. Cheerio John On 9 November 2014 10:53, Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr wrote: About the video of the Eurosha volunteers, I forgot to add the link. This is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saFsT558Xbo Pierre ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
[HOT] Trees
I know they're nice but why would anyone spend time mapping trees rather than buildings in a HOT area? Or did I miss something in the tasks? Thanks Cheerio John ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Polio Outbreak and Ebola Preparedness - East Cameroon - New Task Announcement
I've found picking out rivers and streams to be slightly problematical. If I zoom out then I can see a string of green which I assume is trees and vegetation along the bodies of water. Could someone knock up a video training guide on how to pick things out for us city dwellers on You-Tube or something and how to tag a body of water? Thanks John On 22 November 2014 at 21:59, Mark Cupitt markcup...@gmail.com wrote: Dear All The World Health Organization (WHO) and the Center for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) need all rural Cameroon mapped in response to the Polio outbreak and also monitoring and preparing for a possible Ebola outbreak. A New task has been created to assist with Round 2 of this project using High resolution imagery supplied by DigitalGlobe’s WorldView-2 service available on the Mapbox Satellite Layer. *http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/777 http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/777 * Please assist these organizations by mapping the following: - villages/residential areas (Polygons tagged landuse=residential) - roads, streets, paths (tag roads according the Highway Tag Africa wiki page) - water bodies, rivers, streams and forests - open areas (not fields, just smooth open ground next to towns) as leisure=common as these are potential helicopter landing sites. - school areas, easily identified as 1 or 2 long buildings at the edge of the village often with two small toilet buildings behind them. The schools are almost always accompanied by a large open area for the children to play in, tag the whole area of the school complex (amenity=school) and trace the school buildings ( building=school) and bathrooms ( building=yes and amenity=toilets.) *NOTE: Buildings are NOT required on this Task, but landuse=residential will be used to identify future tasks to map buildings, so please include all residential areas as Polygons* If you have local knowledge, please also identify: - names and boundaries of settlements, sub-places, administrative districts and health districts - medical facilities The Polio outbreak in Cameroon has been ongoing since at least October 2013. The outbreak continued into 2014, with international spread to Equatorial Guinea. In March 2014, WHO elevated the risk assessment of international spread of polio from Cameroon to very high, due to expanding circulation and influx of vulnerable refugee populations from Central African Republic (CAR). This risk assessment remains in place. Further undetected circulation in Cameroon cannot be ruled out. Moreover, the risk of virus spreading into CAR is considered to be particularly high given the large-scale population movements from CAR into Cameroon. Regards Mark Cupitt If we change the world, let it bear the mark of our intelligence Hire Me on Freelancer See me on Open StreetMap https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Mark_Cupitt See me on LinkedIn http://ph.linkedin.com/in/markcupitt *See me on StackExchange http://gis.stackexchange.com/users/17846/mark-c* === The contents of this email are intended only for the individual(s) to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not disclose, copy, distribute, or use the contents of this email. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the email and any attachments. === ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Polio Outbreak and Ebola Preparedness - East Cameroon - New Task Announcement
I wonder if #777 is a little too ambitious? To view buildings you need to zoom in fairly closely, each tile covers an enormous area, 101 has already been mapped in detail so its not possible to download the tile from OSM. Many of the high resolution images have cloud cover. I accept the need but wonder about what is possible with the existing images and huge tile sizes, what quality of service can we hope to provide. It's certainly not possible to go over a single tile in detail within a single session and with multiple people working on the tiles its difficult to know if someone has already done the corner you're looking at or not. Cheerio John On 23 November 2014 at 08:56, Blake Girardot bgirar...@gmail.com wrote: I am going to go over this project right now doing what I call part of pre-mapping. I am going to look at the imagery, the local features, what is mapped and how is the image alignment from different sources. Maybe do a little mapping or fixing up along the way. From that I should be able to give better help and advice on this project going forward. If anyone wants to join me live while I do it and contribute to working out good practices and standards for mapping this project it is available as a Live Google On Air Hangout for probably the next 1-2hr https://plus.google.com/u/0/events/cdsil6vfvuk6h17d46j4lq6p8m0 Join up, its easy, it is live now. Cheers On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 9:59 PM, Mark Cupitt markcup...@gmail.com wrote: Dear All The World Health Organization (WHO) and the Center for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) need all rural Cameroon mapped in response to the Polio outbreak and also monitoring and preparing for a possible Ebola outbreak. A New task has been created to assist with Round 2 of this project using High resolution imagery supplied by DigitalGlobe’s WorldView-2 service available on the Mapbox Satellite Layer. *http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/777 http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/777 * Please assist these organizations by mapping the following: - villages/residential areas (Polygons tagged landuse=residential) - roads, streets, paths (tag roads according the Highway Tag Africa wiki page) - water bodies, rivers, streams and forests - open areas (not fields, just smooth open ground next to towns) as leisure=common as these are potential helicopter landing sites. - school areas, easily identified as 1 or 2 long buildings at the edge of the village often with two small toilet buildings behind them. The schools are almost always accompanied by a large open area for the children to play in, tag the whole area of the school complex (amenity=school) and trace the school buildings ( building=school) and bathrooms ( building=yes and amenity=toilets.) *NOTE: Buildings are NOT required on this Task, but landuse=residential will be used to identify future tasks to map buildings, so please include all residential areas as Polygons* If you have local knowledge, please also identify: - names and boundaries of settlements, sub-places, administrative districts and health districts - medical facilities The Polio outbreak in Cameroon has been ongoing since at least October 2013. The outbreak continued into 2014, with international spread to Equatorial Guinea. In March 2014, WHO elevated the risk assessment of international spread of polio from Cameroon to very high, due to expanding circulation and influx of vulnerable refugee populations from Central African Republic (CAR). This risk assessment remains in place. Further undetected circulation in Cameroon cannot be ruled out. Moreover, the risk of virus spreading into CAR is considered to be particularly high given the large-scale population movements from CAR into Cameroon. Regards Mark Cupitt If we change the world, let it bear the mark of our intelligence Hire Me on Freelancer See me on Open StreetMap https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Mark_Cupitt See me on LinkedIn http://ph.linkedin.com/in/markcupitt *See me on StackExchange http://gis.stackexchange.com/users/17846/mark-c* === The contents of this email are intended only for the individual(s) to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not disclose, copy, distribute, or use the contents of this email. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the email and any attachments. === ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org
[HOT] Is there a Page up and down in JOSM?
Looking at the imagery it would be nice to be able to scroll up and down vertically when inspecting it. Using the mouse is fine but I tend to drift as I scroll down and my aged mouse hand starts to ache after a time. Thanks John ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Is there a Page up and down in JOSM?
Perfect. Thanks John On 9 December 2014 at 13:49, Blake Girardot bgirar...@gmail.com wrote: On windows 7 I use ctl-arrowkeys to move left,right,up,down in JOSM It works with both dedicated arrow keys and the number pad arrow keys. cheers, blake On 12/9/2014 7:44 PM, john whelan wrote: Looking at the imagery it would be nice to be able to scroll up and down vertically when inspecting it. Using the mouse is fine but I tend to drift as I scroll down and my aged mouse hand starts to ache after a time. Thanks John ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Task manager description/instructions #591
Just a comment on what is required, If its HOT then I assume there is normally some urgency and that implies a time frame. We don't have unlimited resources, they might be free but knowledgeable mappers are not unlimited. How can we make the best use of what we have? I wonder if some sort of work flow might be better. Pass 1, do the major roads and towns / larger villages, Pass 2 rivers, pass 3 tracks, pass 4 forests etc. Perhaps rivers should come first? Certify the mappers, self certification would be fine but a small training course this is how to map a road, this is how to map a village, this is how to map a river, this is how to map a building (JOSM building tool?). At the moment we seem to have a number of different people going over the same ground mapping the same things which to me is a waste of resources and no real agreement as to when a tile is complete, ie no service level agreement. I've even seen a building mapped over a building. Cheerio John Cheerio John On 2 January 2015 at 09:14, Laura Green lolly...@gmail.com wrote: Hoping this is the right forum for this question and comment: I'm trying to contribute to #591 South Sudan Crisis, Cholera outbreak in Juba, mapping with WorldView-2 imagery. I'm not sure I understand the instructions, especially regarding the imagery. Might someone be able to clarify the instructions shown on the HOT page please? I *think* it means (for JOSM users, not sure if it applies to ID): 1) please map roads, streets, buildings, walls, water streams and canals. 2) disregard the automatic imagery that downloads when you contribute, download Bing imagery instead. 3) Bing imagery is now aligned correctly (as of date xxx), so please realign or redraw vector data to match the Bing imagery. ...but I may be misinterpreting the description/instructions. I’d like to comment generally about the hot task manager descriptions/instructions: Unless indicated as Expert only at the very beginning of an activation page, I'm assuming all activations are for the general public to contribute to? The whys and wherefores and technical information I feel are often getting in the way of plain and simple guidance as to what is required, so people can just get on with it, and not have to hunt for the pertinent information. Plainly worded bullet points would be ideal. Any nice to know information could be provided below this. Laura Green osm: LollyMay ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] request for mapping buildings in Malawi flood plan with focus on two areas
HOT task 847 does not seem to have any tiles covering Phalombe, Mulanje, Zomba or Blantyre. Is there another HOT task perhaps? Thanks Cheerio John On 2 February 2015 at 23:16, Information Manager Shelter Cluster Malawi im.mal...@sheltercluster.org wrote: All, We are currently working on providing shelter to people affected by the floods in January. We are still badly in need of an overall damage assessment, because a big part of the area is inaccessible. We have currently pretty ok building data for the lower shire (Nsanje and Chikwhawa districts), both due to mapping of the department of surveys, and the HOT OSM task for that area. Current priorities therefore are the districts of Phalombe, Mulanje, Zomba and Blantyre City (in order of priority). And especially those buildings that are within the flood plane. Please see here a map of the flood plane, to prioritize the effort. It is a rough map, but at least it will show you what areas to focus on. http://geonode.wfp.org/layers/geonode:moz_mwi_dfo_floodextent_20150126 There is already a task for this on OSM. http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/847# As soon as we have the buildings in these areas properly mapped, we will overlay them with new flood plane layers and count the number of buildings inundated. As we are still in the emergency phase, an upscaling of effort would be really welcome. Thank you for those helping out, Maarten -- Maarten van der Veen Shelter Cluster Support - Information manager Malawi Floods 2015 Malawi Red Cross Society, Lilongwe E: im.mal...@sheltercluster.org M: +265 997 314 918 Skype: maartenvanderveen ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Questions regarding Missing Maps Mapping Party in the Netherlands
You can make a case for both, but if bandwidth or Internet connection is an issue then I understand iD is more sensitive to this so JOSM might be more appropriate and if you have more experienced mappers present to assist they will almost certainly be more familiar with JOSM. Raspberry Pi ain't the most powerful single card computer out there but at 4.5 million and counting the processes and documentation available mean it is often the computer of choice for some applications. For beginners in HOT we are essentially trying to spend as little time as possible teaching them and getting as much useful mapping out of them as we can. So teach them something simple like mapping a building in a tool that is well known to any experienced mappers we happen to have available makes a lot of sense. If you have a group of mappers for HOT mapping then teaching them to map a building in JOSM is quick and simple with the JOSM building tool whilst iD defaults to area=yes when mapping buildings and I've corrected several hundred of these already. area=yes doesn't render very well as a building so we've essentially wasted the beginner's mappers time. HOT mapping often seems to involve mapping lots of buildings, very few tags as working from imagery it is difficult to spot shops etc. It's boring and repetitive to say the least after the first thousand or so. To keep people going some feedback would be useful, tags on a few buildings or street names would help the feeling that you aren't working in isolation and no one will ever look at the map you are creating. The work in Bangladesh has shown that getting information from walking papers into OSM to enrich the tags is not as quick or simple as it could be. Perhaps we need some sort of standard device with OSMAND on it to add POI information easily for HOT mapping. If you are trying to introduce them to OSM and not be overwhelmed then iD may well be the best choice. If you are trying to map buildings within a certain time frame with inexperienced mappers then JOSM building tool plugin leaves less room for errors and is more likely to produce usable output for HOT. Note these are different objectives. Cheerio John On 5 February 2015 at 16:40, Paul Norman penor...@mac.com wrote: On 2/3/2015 11:59 PM, Willy Bakker wrote: Firstly, which editor would you recommend for beginners? In Berlin during the Open Knowledge Festival I attended a HOT workshop where the iD editor was used; at the mapping party in Antwerp in december they used JOSM. Which one is the best for beginners? Assuming that the computers are capable of running both JOSM and iD, I would recommend iD for beginners. I mainly use JOSM myself, but find myself using iD more for some edits. iD's presets make it significantly easier for mappers to tag objects appropriately as the raw tags are abstracted from them. JOSM's presets do not do this as well, still being focused on the raw tags. iD should have everything needed for a normal mapping workflow, while JOSM presents many tools useless to most mappers. Stepping through the built-in tutorial will get most people up to speed for what they need to know to start mapping, and gives you a starting point for your workshop. ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Waterway Tags
I have difficulties with water I must confess. I'm mapping from a satellite image taken an a particular day. All I see is water, not wadi etc. If its a River I'm supposed to note which direction it flows. My eyesight isn't that good. A wide river isn't a problem but when is a Stream a River or the other way round, or sometimes I see a series of elongated patches of water and I'm unclear what those are. Unfortunately I think we need people on the ground to better tag what we are doing from the satellite image. Cheerio John On 21 January 2015 at 18:04, AYTOUN RALPH ralph.ayt...@ntlworld.com wrote: I would like to raise the issue of tags for *waterway=river*, *waterway=stream* and* waterway=wadi.* The problem that exists with the existing tags is that there is no visual difference on the map for a stream (perennial) and a stream (intermittent) and the only other option is wadi which gives a blue pecked line. Accepted mapping standards for this would be to show:- all perennial rivers and streams as a continuous solid blue line (indicating that there is flowing water all year round) all non-perennial rivers and streams as a continuous blue pecked line (indicating that there is flowing water during the wet season but not the whole year). A wadi would be depicted with a continuous pecked brown line (indicating that it is dry watercourse and could be dry for years at a time...only flowing if there is a flash flood or unusually heavy rain). This would then convey the correct meanings with symbols on the map and make reading the map a lot easier. The categories would still be searchable and distinguish between the three categories of water flow. The proposed tags would then be *waterway=river* .. *waterway= stream* .. continuous solid blue line *waterway=river_intermittent .. waterway=stream_intermittent . *continuous pecked blue line *waterway=wadi* . continuous pecked brown line (a wadi can be so wide that another tag would be needed similar to the tag for river banks) *waterway=wadi_bank* which would still be a brown pecked line. This would then ease the path for introducing the tags for perennial lakes with a solid blue outline and lighter blue fill, intermittent lakes with a blue pecked outline and a light blue fill and dry pans with a brown pecked outline with a brown stipple fill. I can figure out a single tag proposal on wiki but do not know how to do this more complex proposal as it entails changing all the tags at the same time along with their map symbols. If it is deemed appropriate is there someone who could do this? Reference.. http://pubs.usgs.gov/gip/TopographicMapSymbols/topomapsymbols.pdf ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] #777 Hi-res imagery for Cameroon (was Mapping Northern Nigeria ?)
What is the specific need at the moment?? I don't think there is one, its more a matter of quite a few tiles had cloud cover on them and the hope was for one or two new tiles with different cloud cover or no cloud cover. It's an overview project and there is still a lot of detail that can be mapped from the existing high res coverage. Cheerio John On 15 January 2015 at 19:30, Mark Cupitt markcup...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Blake, Ok, second coffee fixed it. The imagery is available on the Map Box Layer. You threw me with he inquiry to Hiu, this has nothing to so with the US Sate Department. MapBox have made whatever Imagery they have available for Cameroon to map **Imagery Details** High resolution imagery is available on the Mapbox Satellite layer sourced from **DigitalGlobe’s WorldView-2**. With the attribution to be as folows #hotosm-task-777, East Cameroon, source=DigitalGlobe/Mapbox There was never any TMS layer, only what is available under the MapBox layer. Digitel Globe occasionally make their imagery available via the mapbox layer and then allow a license to use it for mapping on a case by cse basis. Unfortunately, what is there is there. What is the specific need at the moment?? Regards Mark Cupitt If we change the world, let it bear the mark of our intelligence See me on Open StreetMap https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Mark_Cupitt On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 8:22 AM, Mark Cupitt markcup...@gmail.com wrote: Blake, sorry, that should have read This task has had a LOT of activity The TMS Url has been removed form the project, not by me. I will see if I can find it again .. I guess someone edited it .. The followup for this task was to identify specific areas based on #777 then map the buildings, etc.over a number of other tasks. Regards Mark Cupitt If we change the world, let it bear the mark of our intelligence See me on Open StreetMap https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Mark_Cupitt On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 8:06 AM, Mark Cupitt markcup...@gmail.com wrote: Blake #777 is the only HiRes Imagery available in Cameroon, I have not been able to keep up with all the chatter, been on a project. This task has not had a lot of activity and has a specific focus. What is the need here? Cheers Maerk Regards Mark Cupitt If we change the world, let it bear the mark of our intelligence See me on Open StreetMap https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Mark_Cupitt On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 5:31 AM, Blake Girardot bgirar...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I was just about to send an email to the imagery coordination team and see if I can find out the status of this imagery. Jorieke is heading into the field so she is going to have limited time and access to help with this. But I will for sure report back what I find out. Cheers, Blake On 1/15/2015 10:23 PM, m902 wrote: On 15/01/2015 19:15, Jorieke Vyncke wrote: Just a small remark : recently we got high resolution imagery for whole Cameroon from DigitalGlobe. And in the far north along the border with Nigera they face the same problems http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/ africaandindianocean/nigeria/11341289/Boko-Haram-push- across-border-to-attack-Cameroon-army.html, and Nigerian refugees are coming too... So it might be an idea to start over there? I now a bunch of ngo's are working in the far north, like French Red Cross, GIZ and Unicef. I recently contributed to HOT #777 (East Cameroon - Polio Outbreak and Ebola Preparedness). Quite a number of squares we couldn't map much because there was no hi-res imagery available. If it is true that there is hi-res imagery for the whole of Cameroon, could it be made available for the area covered by #777 please? Thanks ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Bangladesh track tracing (and chasing!)
Is there a setting to make the GPS traces stand out more in JOSM, ie purple or some such? Thanks John On 22 January 2015 at 12:40, Blake Girardot bgirar...@gmail.com wrote: I am going to work on this a little bit so please upload and download often to avoid conflicts and minimize losses in case of conflict. I am starting on the west edge of the traces and am working from the traces in Track Kam GPS Regards, Blake On 1/22/2015 5:36 PM, Pete Masters wrote: Hi guys, another request from Dhaka! Sajjad, our hero for today (and surely a future HOTty) has been running round the Kamrangirchar area of Dhaka armed with two GPS devices. He has literally been running as most of the lanes are tiny and there is horrendous traffic. We asked him to do it as we are starting to map this neighbourhood tomorrow and it would really help us to have a road network to start with. If anyone out there has time to do some tracing of his tracks, it would be super helpful. The traces are on dropbox at: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/2fuib041cc7vacm/AACLWGJ2216IG4KIDjc0jHcga?dl=0 Thanks a million for your support! Pete PS. If you want to see pics from the Bangladesh mapping, they are on the OSM Bangladesh facebook page at: https://www.facebook.com/groups/152627941462625/?fref=ts -- *Pete Masters* Missing Maps Project Coordinator +44 7921 781 518 missingmaps.org http://www.missingmaps.org/ _@pedrito1414_ https://twitter.com/TheMissingMaps _@theMissingMaps_ https://twitter.com/TheMissingMaps _facebook.com/MissingMapsProject_ https://www.facebook.com/MissingMapsProject ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Humanitarian Mapping for a class
I wonder if a quieter HOT task might be easier? Something like http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/687 where it would be easier to spot the work, possibly a tile or split tile per student and if you ask nicely some one can validate it plus there aren't lots of other mappers swarming over it. Cheerio John On 22 January 2015 at 14:32, Blake Girardot bgirar...@gmail.com wrote: Oh very cool! Thank you very much for considering us for your class :) I know people have really good suggestions for your question, but the main consideration for me is judging or grading or evaluating based on the quality of mapping, not quantity. I just spent several hours last week cleaning up after (probable) students who were probably graded based on quantity so mapped a lot of non existent stuff. So I would say emphasis on good mapping is the key to really helping the students and OSM and HOT as a whole. It probably wouldn't hurt to add a tag to their changeset comments like #gis101 so we know it is part of your project if we find anything that we might help provide feedback on. And please keep in touch. Thank you again! Cheers, Blake On 1/22/2015 7:53 PM, Mueller, Thomas wrote: Hello Hello, I have been working slowly trying to integrate humanitarian mapping into my classes and students’ education over the past couple of years . I am a Geography professor, but I admit I am a jack of all trades master of none (as I teach crime mapping, demographic analysis, GIS, etc.) I have tried several small projects– some successful and others not so successful. This year in one of my upper level classes I have assigned a Humanitarian Mapping assignment. The students will be working on the Mapping Kamrangirchar (Dhaka, Bangladesh). I felt this was a good project for my students since there are quite a few structures that need to be mapped.I am requesting that my students spend 30 minutes per week, every week mapping structures for this project. Obviously this should not be a difficult for them, but I am hoping it will accomplish several objectives including: 1)Help map the area 2)Help the students understand how they can “donate” their time to help (within a topic in their field) 3)Hopefully this will become part of their routine so they will continue, etc. Also it will make sure that I donate my time too to this endeavor. I have one question – how is the best way for me to check that they have completed this assignment every week? Should I have them copy and paste their history on to a Word Document? Is there a better way? Hopefully if this project is successful, then I am hoping to integrate this assignment into more of my classes. Thank you for your time Tom Mueller Thomas R. Mueller, Ph.D., GISP *Advisor: Geography Major with GIS and Emergency Management Concentration* *Co - Director: Pennsylvania View** *Department of Earth Sciences, California University of Pennsylvania A man never gets to this station in life without being helped, aided, shoved, pushed and prodded to do better. - Johnny Unitas ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Bangladesh track tracing (and chasing!)
When used with the imagery it does helps confirm some roads. Thanks John On 22 January 2015 at 12:27, Pete Masters pedrito1...@googlemail.com wrote: Good point, John... We are not looking for perfection at this stage, though. More something to work from (i.e. anything we can work from!) Cheers, Pete On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 11:19 PM, john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com wrote: I've some experience in making GPS traces near high buildings, in Ottawa the trace could be up to 30 meters out. ie I walked a straight line but the GPS trace was definitely not a straight line. Hopefully it will work though. Cheerio John On 22 January 2015 at 11:36, Pete Masters pedrito1...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi guys, another request from Dhaka! Sajjad, our hero for today (and surely a future HOTty) has been running round the Kamrangirchar area of Dhaka armed with two GPS devices. He has literally been running as most of the lanes are tiny and there is horrendous traffic. We asked him to do it as we are starting to map this neighbourhood tomorrow and it would really help us to have a road network to start with. If anyone out there has time to do some tracing of his tracks, it would be super helpful. The traces are on dropbox at: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/2fuib041cc7vacm/AACLWGJ2216IG4KIDjc0jHcga?dl=0 Thanks a million for your support! Pete PS. If you want to see pics from the Bangladesh mapping, they are on the OSM Bangladesh facebook page at: https://www.facebook.com/groups/152627941462625/?fref=ts -- *Pete Masters* Missing Maps Project Coordinator +44 7921 781 518 missingmaps.org http://www.missingmaps.org/ *@pedrito1414* https://twitter.com/TheMissingMaps *@theMissingMaps* https://twitter.com/TheMissingMaps *facebook.com/MissingMapsProject* https://www.facebook.com/MissingMapsProject ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot -- *Pete Masters* Missing Maps Project Coordinator +44 7921 781 518 missingmaps.org http://www.missingmaps.org/ *@pedrito1414* https://twitter.com/TheMissingMaps *@theMissingMaps* https://twitter.com/TheMissingMaps *facebook.com/MissingMapsProject* https://www.facebook.com/MissingMapsProject ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
[HOT] leisure=common (Helipad)
Project 892 task 23 is an example. The following question got sent to me probably because I've been validating merrily away. What is the minimum diameter for a Helipad (leisure=common)? Based on my own experience of visiting a remote Scottish Island the local football pitch, being smooth, level and firm enough was the designated helicopter landing place. I'm not sure that you can tell enough from satellite imagery that a certain bit of ground is smooth, level and firm enough to take the weight of a helicopter. However we seem to have a fair number of circular leisure=common areas tagged near fairly small villages. So can we flesh out a bit more of the requirements please and better identify what we should be looking for and mapping. Thanks John ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] leisure=common (Helipad)
So the advice back to the mapper? My opinion would be if its readily identifiable as landuse=common then map it, but refrain from arbitrarily adding a circle tagged landuse=common close to each small village perhaps? Personally when I'm mapping if something like this stands out then it gets mapped but its quite rare that I spot one. Thanks Cheerio John On 19 February 2015 at 08:59, Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr wrote: Hi John, Our role is to grab information, facilitate the logistic of the humanitarian organizations. But we are not specialists. Once we have identified the common leisures, the GIS specialists from the international organizations can easily extract this info and examine further. Pierre -- *De :* john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com *À :* hot@openstreetmap.org hot@openstreetmap.org *Envoyé le :* Jeudi 19 février 2015 6h31 *Objet :* [HOT] leisure=common (Helipad) Project 892 task 23 is an example. The following question got sent to me probably because I've been validating merrily away. What is the minimum diameter for a Helipad (leisure=common)? Based on my own experience of visiting a remote Scottish Island the local football pitch, being smooth, level and firm enough was the designated helicopter landing place. I'm not sure that you can tell enough from satellite imagery that a certain bit of ground is smooth, level and firm enough to take the weight of a helicopter. However we seem to have a fair number of circular leisure=common areas tagged near fairly small villages. So can we flesh out a bit more of the requirements please and better identify what we should be looking for and mapping. Thanks John ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] building=hut task 892
My background is fifty years of playing with computers including very large databases. I spent my first ten years in assembler when I'd add up all the instruction times to optimise the code. When I see a hut being drawn as a circle I think it terms of the amount of data storage needed compared to a single point or even a square building and there are a lot of huts in Africa. Note to Blake, as long as they don't get overlooked I'm happy and content. Thanks John On 16 February 2015 at 20:17, Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr wrote: John, Yes these objects will be found if a building tag is added. If you want to try adding some, it can be done easily. With JOSM, we can create easily a circle form. This can be used for a reservoir, a roundabout, etc. - You add two points not connected to each other representing the diameter of the hut. - From the Tool menu you select Create a circle. - You add the building tag. You can then copy / paste to add other buildings around. Pierre -- *De :* john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com *À :* hot@openstreetmap.org hot@openstreetmap.org *Envoyé le :* Lundi 16 février 2015 19h03 *Objet :* [HOT] building=hut task 892 Dumb question will these be found? What is the recommended way to map them? I quite like the idea rather than drawing a building shape. Found whilst validating. Thanks John ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
[HOT] building=hut task 892
Dumb question will these be found? What is the recommended way to map them? I quite like the idea rather than drawing a building shape. Found whilst validating. Thanks John ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Validation
So it sounds like by validating we are giving some positive feedback and makes it seem that the mapping efforts aren't for naught and ideally we should be in a position to validate within a day or two of the mapping to keep a bit of motivation up. I have noticed that in the stats we say xyz has done twenty three tiles but in reality each tile has been worked on by three or four different people in some ways xyz has only signed off on it. Anyway I'd better go and validate a few more on the tasks I'm working on. Thanks John On 16 February 2015 at 00:55, Blake Girardot bgirar...@gmail.com wrote: Hi John, It is a difficult question you ask as I feel the same way you and Nick do, I really don't want to invalidate squares to avoid discouraging people. I tend to almost never invalidate a square unless it is obvious that someone clicked done thinking that meant they were just done looking at it. So, depending on how much mapping there is to do I usually: Just do the mapping if it is less than 15 mins worth and make sure to let the person who marked it done thank you for the mapping, there was a bit more to do so I finished it up. I will also often just map it even if it is longer than 15 mins but I end up validating a lot less if that is the case on a lot of squares. Unlock a task square and then just directly message the person and ask them if they could map a bit more. I only do this if we are talking a square completed in the past day or two. Unlock the task square and find another one to hopefully validate quicker if my time is limited. I know this is a terrible solution. There are probably some programmatic things to improve the situation that could be done: 1. Dialog box on marking Done that asks Are you sure you have mapped everything in the 'Entities to map' field? 2. Maybe reverse what we have now: No mail gets sent when something is invalidated and mail gets sent when something is validated. I don't know how many people come back to map if their task square gets invalidated anyway, especially if it is weeks or months later so we might not be gaining anything by sending the invalidated notice and just discouraging people. I think we would gain a lot more if people got notices of the good job they did instead. And then we wouldn't feel bad to invalidate a task square so it can get the attention it needs and we can move on to validate more tasks. That might be a good simple start, just stop sending the 'invalidated' notices. Thank you for bringing it up, the validation process is tricky and subtle. Cheers, Blake On 2/16/2015 12:55 AM, john whelan wrote: Mapping in Africa from satellite images I find I'm adding perhaps half a dozen settlements when I validate, they're quite quick and easy to do. Some are huts and are not quite so easy to spot. Question at what point should I invalidate? The question arises when perhaps I've added a dozen settlements and half a dozen highways, I'm fairly experienced so fairly comfortable the work is OK after I've added in the validation but there is the question that I've added a dozen settlements and no one else will be validating. I'm looking more for pragmatic answers more than anything else, there is a concern that if I invalidate a tile it may demotivate a mapper and at the moment we have a lot of tiles to map. Thanks Cheerio John ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Fwd: huts.
I strongly suspect they are huts that people live in. Cheerio John On 16 February 2015 at 21:09, Daniel Specht danspe...@gmail.com wrote: An example of this is #892 - Ebola Outbreak, Guinea, Kindia Prefecture, Road network and settlements, task 77. Lots of the residential areas have only these barely visible round things. Dan -- Forwarded message -- From: Daniel Specht danspe...@gmail.com Date: Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 11:09 AM Subject: huts. To: HOT@openstreetmap.org Oops -- didn't mean to send that last one. Question about huts -- in West Africa there are a lot of huts, sometimes just out in the forest with no rectangular buildings or clearings nearby. Are these for storage? Temporary housing? Dan Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 18:55:45 -0500 From: john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com To: hot@openstreetmap.org hot@openstreetmap.org Subject: [HOT] Validation Message-ID: caj-ex1f3+n6dhh62xnjnazs-p-q8hlmlx77bvd_+zu78sr5...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mapping in Africa from satellite images I find I'm adding perhaps half a dozen settlements when I validate, they're quite quick and easy to do. Some are huts and are not quite so easy to spot. Question at what point should I invalidate? The question arises when perhaps I've added a dozen settlements and half a dozen highways, I'm fairly experienced so fairly comfortable the work is OK after I've added in the validation but there is the question that I've added a dozen settlements and no one else will be validating. I'm looking more for pragmatic answers more than anything else, there is a concern that if I invalidate a tile it may demotivate a mapper and at the moment we have a lot of tiles to map. Thanks Cheerio John -- Dan -- Dan ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] LearnOSM - updates
Having worked with translators and translations on technical matters I found that the best translations were done by a native speaker who worked in the subject area. When you try and translate a technical subject you first have to understand the subject matter. I once spent two hours explaining the meanings of two lines of English to a senior translator who wasn't happy with the quality of the initial translation. In the end he accepted that the technical people all worked in English and we would just do a sentence by sentence translational to the second language that was essentially meaningless to satisfy a manager it had been done. It can be very difficult especially nuances. Cheerio John On 27 January 2015 at 18:51, Kate Chapman kate.chap...@hotosm.org wrote: Hi Althio, That is the original aim of transifex, but there are projects that use it to manage documentation translation as well. It is used for the InaSAFE documentation for example(1). The upside to it is it is very easy to get translators started and tracking of changes works well. The downside is many people don't like doing the translations as individual strings. Perhaps someone from HOT-id can mention their thoughts on this, since you are the ones most familiar with the process. Best, -Kate (1) http://inasafe.org/ On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 2:17 PM, althio althio.fo...@gmail.com wrote: Russell, Cristiano, As far as I know transifex: it is intended to translate and keep up-to-date strings that are used possibly several times in software code. It seems less useful to tackle entire pages of unique text with headings and context and flow and images. It is mentioned at least here in the IRC transcript http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Team/Meetings/TrainingWG/27_October_2014 Any thoughts welcome. althio ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot -- Kate Chapman Executive Director email: kate.chap...@hotosm.org U.S. mobile: +1 703 673 8834 Indonesian mobile: +62 82123068370 *Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team * *Using OpenStreetMap for Humanitarian Response Economic Development* web http://hot.openstreetmap.org | twitter http://twitter.com/hotosm | facebook http://facebook.com/hotosm | donate http://hot.openstreetmap.org/donate ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Bangladesh track tracing (and chasing!)
The GPS traces are extremely useful, they give feed back about how the roads appear on the aerial imagery and give a higher level of confidence when mapping. I've noted a fairly large number of buildings mapped as area=yes which I changed to building=yes there are probably half a dozen mappers mapping in this way. At the moment I've been tagging most roads as highway=residential and assuming someone on the ground will retag them appropriately. The most useful GPS traces are those on narrow alleyways. These are the most difficult to pick out from the imagery. I'm impressed with the number of buildings you've managed to tag on the ground. Cheerio John On 23 January 2015 at 07:51, Pete Masters pedrito1...@googlemail.com wrote: Hello, Today, the heroes were Kumar and Shupo, running the streets of Kamrangirchar! They covered a phenomenal amount of ground in a place where moving fast is not so easy We also did our first field papers there today based on the tracks you guys traced last night - was really so helpful. Kamrangirchar is an amazing and interesting place, chock full of alleyways... Today's tracks are on dropbox, if anyone has the time to help us prep for tomorrow! https://www.dropbox.com/sh/zfr232e8ig93icl/AAAED_YY60sZqU-tQ9_OO6gFa?dl=0 Kumar and Shupo also took a load of points for landmarks, if you're interested Cheers all! Pete On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 11:33 PM, john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com wrote: When used with the imagery it does helps confirm some roads. Thanks John On 22 January 2015 at 12:27, Pete Masters pedrito1...@googlemail.com wrote: Good point, John... We are not looking for perfection at this stage, though. More something to work from (i.e. anything we can work from!) Cheers, Pete On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 11:19 PM, john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com wrote: I've some experience in making GPS traces near high buildings, in Ottawa the trace could be up to 30 meters out. ie I walked a straight line but the GPS trace was definitely not a straight line. Hopefully it will work though. Cheerio John On 22 January 2015 at 11:36, Pete Masters pedrito1...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi guys, another request from Dhaka! Sajjad, our hero for today (and surely a future HOTty) has been running round the Kamrangirchar area of Dhaka armed with two GPS devices. He has literally been running as most of the lanes are tiny and there is horrendous traffic. We asked him to do it as we are starting to map this neighbourhood tomorrow and it would really help us to have a road network to start with. If anyone out there has time to do some tracing of his tracks, it would be super helpful. The traces are on dropbox at: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/2fuib041cc7vacm/AACLWGJ2216IG4KIDjc0jHcga?dl=0 Thanks a million for your support! Pete PS. If you want to see pics from the Bangladesh mapping, they are on the OSM Bangladesh facebook page at: https://www.facebook.com/groups/152627941462625/?fref=ts -- *Pete Masters* Missing Maps Project Coordinator +44 7921 781 518 missingmaps.org http://www.missingmaps.org/ *@pedrito1414* https://twitter.com/TheMissingMaps *@theMissingMaps* https://twitter.com/TheMissingMaps *facebook.com/MissingMapsProject* https://www.facebook.com/MissingMapsProject ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot -- *Pete Masters* Missing Maps Project Coordinator +44 7921 781 518 missingmaps.org http://www.missingmaps.org/ *@pedrito1414* https://twitter.com/TheMissingMaps *@theMissingMaps* https://twitter.com/TheMissingMaps *facebook.com/MissingMapsProject* https://www.facebook.com/MissingMapsProject -- *Pete Masters* Missing Maps Project Coordinator +44 7921 781 518 missingmaps.org http://www.missingmaps.org/ *@pedrito1414* https://twitter.com/TheMissingMaps *@theMissingMaps* https://twitter.com/TheMissingMaps *facebook.com/MissingMapsProject* https://www.facebook.com/MissingMapsProject ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] HOT Mappers at Stanford?
If you can't find someone with experience locally then I seem to recall that there have been some training sessions using Google+? The advantage is that you can see the remote area and how its mapped but I don't recall the software exactly. I do know you have to be in the software continuously from the beginning or you don't see the updates on the screen. I think one or two people are on Skype as well. Cheerio John On 1 February 2015 at 13:52, Stacey Maples stacemap...@stanford.edu wrote: Are there any experienced HOT mappers in the Stanford University area, who might be willing to meet/help/ do a training for us on a project to map a sub-district in Bangladesh? We've made great contacts in-country, but I think it would be good to build a core of remote mappers, here, too. In F,LT, Stace Maples Geospatial Manager Stanford Geospatial Center @mapninja staceymaples@G+ Skype: stacey.maples Get GeoHelp: https://gis.stanford.edu/ I have a map of the United States... actual size. It says, Scale: 1 mile = 1 mile. I spent last summer folding it. -Steven Wright- ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
[HOT] The number of projects we have open and the completion rate.
I switched from doing villages to an overview project and then came back to the villages. The tiles around the villages are often the first to be done. The ones in the centre where the buildings are are the last to be done. Buildings don't seem to be popular. Many tiles haven't been touched in two months. Looking at the stats it might say that the village is 50% done, reality is probably 15-25% of the objects to be mapped are done, those centre tiles are dense with buildings. At what point on a project do we say we're spread too thin? or do we? What can we do to get more projects finished with the resources we have available? Cheerio John ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Mapping in Dhaka, Bangladesh!
There seems to be an alignment problem, the Bing imagery doesn't exactly match the Next View imagery. Cheerio John On 12 January 2015 at 18:10, Jorieke Vyncke jorieke.vyn...@gmail.com wrote: Hi HOT mappers! Next week HOT will start mapping in the field again! Under the umbrella of the Missing Maps Project we will map some neighbourhoods of Dhaka, the capital of Bangladesh. We have mobilized the local Bangladeshi OSM community and they are ready to collect local points of interest, names, ... Pete Masters (as coordinator of the Missing Maps Project) and I are going to support the local OSM-ers. The local community is mapping already, but the help of the worldwide mapping community is welcome to help to prepare the field survey. Last week there was a mapping party in London, and they did a great job, but there is still more work to be done... It would be great to have a (rough) basemap of Hazaribagh https://www.google.be/search?q=Hazaribaghes_sm=93source=lnmstbm=ischsa=Xei=41G0VMitMNLraNy5gJgBved=0CAkQ_AUoAgbiw=1242bih=585#tbm=ischq=Hazaribagh+dhakaand Kamrangirchar https://www.google.be/search?q=Hazaribaghes_sm=93source=lnmstbm=ischsa=Xei=41G0VMitMNLraNy5gJgBved=0CAkQ_AUoAgbiw=1242bih=585#tbm=ischq=Kamrangirchar+dhaka by next saturday. The areas are two very vulnerable neigbourhoods in Dhaka where a lot of ngos are active. So for this we count on your joint forces! Mapping tasks: - http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/838 - http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/831 Validation task: - http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/833 But watch out, these are not easy tasks, because the areas are so crowded. I made a small presentation on how you best can map the areas. You can find it back in the instructions of each task. Looking foreward to see the tasks moving :-) Best greetings! Jorieke ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Mapping in Dhaka, Bangladesh!
I just raise issues, this one looks challenging to say the least. Thanks John On 12 January 2015 at 21:15, Blake Girardot bgirar...@gmail.com wrote: On 1/13/2015 2:57 AM, john whelan wrote: There seems to be an alignment problem, the Bing imagery doesn't exactly match the Next View imagery. Jorieke might have a different opinion and his is the authority :) but it looks to me like the new nextview imagery is better aligned than bing. I would use it as the main georeference. In addition most things will be mapped with Nextview so might as well keep them all consistent. How did I come to the NextView is better aligned conclusion? visit this spot in JOSM: https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/23.750183/90.368716 And load the bing, nextview and OpenStreetMap GPS Traces (JOSM Imagery Preferences again, select up top, use the arrow in the middle to move it to the bottom list) It is a divided street, you will see Bing has traces going off the side of the road and down the middle of the trees on the divider, the nextview imagery has the traces nicely on each side of the divider on the streets. Hence, to me it looks like the nextview is better aligned. Again, Jorieke would be the authority. Hope that helps. cheers, Blake Cheerio John On 12 January 2015 at 18:10, Jorieke Vyncke jorieke.vyn...@gmail.com mailto:jorieke.vyn...@gmail.com wrote: Hi HOT mappers! Next week HOT will start mapping in the field again! Under the umbrella of the Missing Maps Project we will map some neighbourhoods of Dhaka, the capital of Bangladesh. We have mobilized the local Bangladeshi OSM community and they are ready to collect local points of interest, names, ... Pete Masters (as coordinator of the Missing Maps Project) and I are going to support the local OSM-ers. The local community is mapping already, but the help of the worldwide mapping community is welcome to help to prepare the field survey. Last week there was a mapping party in London, and they did a great job, but there is still more work to be done... It would be great to have a (rough) basemap of Hazaribagh https://www.google.be/search?q=Hazaribaghes_sm=93source= lnmstbm=ischsa=Xei=41G0VMitMNLraNy5gJgBved= 0CAkQ_AUoAgbiw=1242bih=585#tbm=ischq=Hazaribagh+dhakaand Kamrangirchar https://www.google.be/search?q=Hazaribaghes_sm=93source= lnmstbm=ischsa=Xei=41G0VMitMNLraNy5gJgBved= 0CAkQ_AUoAgbiw=1242bih=585#tbm=ischq=Kamrangirchar+dhaka by next saturday. The areas are two very vulnerable neigbourhoods in Dhaka where a lot of ngos are active. So for this we count on your joint forces! Mapping tasks: - http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/838 - http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/831 Validation task: - http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/833 But watch out, these are not easy tasks, because the areas are so crowded. I made a small presentation on how you best can map the areas. You can find it back in the instructions of each task. Looking foreward to see the tasks moving :-) Best greetings! Jorieke ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org mailto:HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] WRI forest tracks import in Congo Basin
Just a comment having done a fair bit of HOT mapping in Cameroon I'm quite interested in this project. However my written French is a little rusty and in some ways I feel a bit isolated from the OSM mappers in Cameroon and a few mappers on the ground to tag would help enormously. Also a few GPS traces on the majors roads would help. Most roads are fine but cloud cover meant that there are gaps to say the least. I note that there are a number of existing roads in OSM that look like imports that did not seem to align with the high resolution satellite imagery. Cheerio John On 9 February 2015 at 10:32, Rafael Avila Coya ravilac...@gmail.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi list: This is a call for comments on an import of WRI data for 6 countries in the Congo Basin (Cameroon, Equatorial Guinea, Central African Rep. (CAR), Gabon, Dem. Rep. of Congo (DRC) and Republic of Congo). It seems that only Cameroon and, maybe, DRC have a local community, so that's why I ask for advice here before going to the imports list. This same email will be sent to talk-cm and talk-cm (Cameroon), talk-cd (DRC) and talk-cf (CAR), so sorry for duplicities. All import is explained in a wiki [1] (with links to the original files, importing files and scripts), and the actual (manual) import workflow explained in another wiki [2]. Import will be done using one HOT TM job for each country, and will be validated afterwards by a group of volunteers, who will add more tracks and other (yet to be decided) features. Any feedback is highly welcome. Cheers, Rafael. [1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import_WRI_Congo_Basin_Forestry_Roads [2] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import_WRI_Congo_Basin_Forestry_Roads_Workflow - -- Twitter: http://twitter.com/ravilacoya - Por favor, non me envíe documentos con extensións .doc, .docx, .xls, .xlsx, .ppt, .pptx, aínda podendoo facer, non os abro. Atendendo á lexislación vixente, empregue formatos estándares e abertos. http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenDocument#Tipos_de_ficheros -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with undefined - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJU2NLzAAoJEB3niTly2pPQeI4P/A3uSEX2huo6U2sqS+BCllgY tsQ0GgL/O9QLn/cM0i58VOOC6lmVnEcOPY9uCfBVcJrRAm8gQpox1LYYgAi7H9Pt 3XJtFICAG/SICQ2HeD1i81f3rbCdcnwacTLDyHMFzP6rByRPbZk0MEwzg41jDeNW 3A+BlkIrk9Xwwap2yT8my/BK05VntvxcET4G4JuZKtmiDX2y1oQQ8CbWOwTLPlOI D5UEn9hf4kWyenDt/Gq7M/tyTcKAYW1FOSvoXrR5xDV5UOd+kDDdjUlp/XI0TIC0 YHCmmonLhy7kAYWTaRl5qSrjDESpevGQu7HhPexBcr/uwEsIw60qpABPp8g1mQRC I6VibMGgS3cbD0ZmHfkfa+Xy50RnFRD6MwW05iKLXp5XhpeYYIr7pc7Gxb9nstlL aC3aNTslcARBEGYloOFM/MhPm9lyb7xJjKFhsb+IhfygiPfl9v9fLCUNIipzpy41 8WfBpkYV6e+O1kDdiQzxItvF2NPkGCnKZ3wiaLa0C4CR5xJ2NunqLV+SD6QFPD/f q+avaHSTSp196B96WVP8CAln0pWlcoLxtbuF2gaPIZIC4GWeqEEmHvqn8FpznhOQ Q01ZOwC3k+H3MHbXSBRjgjnqEpjqW8yMWMYneVIokrcEEmLUdNGmfGXohs4rWMII OQBs+mwzb05zSu712DXk =3Y7r -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Mapping UNMEER's geo-information resources in Liberia
It's nice to see the data we added to the OSM map being used. Cheerio John On 15 February 2015 at 11:10, Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr wrote: As usual, Credits are attributed to the various providers. Here OSM for the Basemap and Esri to power the map with the Web AppBuilder for ArcGIS. Pierre -- *De :* Vao Matua vaoma...@gmail.com *À :* FOFANA BAZO BAGNOUMANA fofana.13b...@gmail.com *Cc :* Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr; HOT Openstreetmap hot@openstreetmap.org *Envoyé le :* Dimanche 15 février 2015 10h52 *Objet :* Re: [HOT] Mapping UNMEER's geo-information resources in Liberia My understanding is that Esri has contributed a great deal of time and resources to this effort. On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 3:04 AM, FOFANA BAZO BAGNOUMANA fofana.13b...@gmail.com wrote: Hum!!! this map is powered by ESRI??? 2015-02-15 3:39 GMT+00:00 Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr: The UN Mission for Ebola Emergency Response (UNMEER) launched a web map application for Liberia. Various layers of information are presented with OpenStreetMap as the basemap. see http://www.unmeer-im-liberia.website/ Pierre ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot -- Fofana B. Bazo, Géographe, contributeur OpenStreetMap, Membre fondateur de la Communauté OSM_BF ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
[HOT] Validation
Mapping in Africa from satellite images I find I'm adding perhaps half a dozen settlements when I validate, they're quite quick and easy to do. Some are huts and are not quite so easy to spot. Question at what point should I invalidate? The question arises when perhaps I've added a dozen settlements and half a dozen highways, I'm fairly experienced so fairly comfortable the work is OK after I've added in the validation but there is the question that I've added a dozen settlements and no one else will be validating. I'm looking more for pragmatic answers more than anything else, there is a concern that if I invalidate a tile it may demotivate a mapper and at the moment we have a lot of tiles to map. Thanks Cheerio John ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Questions regarding Missing Maps Mapping Party in the Netherlands
I seem to recall that JOSM can be run from a USB stick. Cheerio John On 4 February 2015 at 15:24, Milo van der Linden m...@dogodigi.net wrote: Why go through the trouble of installing? People are doing remote tasks and have no gpx files, field papers or geotagged photos. Because then I would certainly advise josm. I think time is valuable. If you have 10 computers and spend 5 minutes per install, you lost an hour of a half day event.. On Feb 4, 2015 8:37 PM, Jan van Bekkum jan.vanbek...@gmail.com wrote: Can't you ask participants to install JOSM before they arrive? On Wed Feb 04 2015 at 8:21:56 PM Jorieke Vyncke jorieke.vyn...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Willy, Just some of my thoughts: In Antwerp we used JOSM because we had loads of time. It takes maybe a little longer to install JOSM, but teaching and learning how to map is on the same level. You only have more mapping possibilities with JOSM... On the installation, when everybody is arriving at the mapathon and setting up his computer, you can let the participants already install JOSM and make them create a login before the 'real training' starts. If you are not sure about the stability of the internet connection it might also be better to use JOSM, because for ID you need all the time a stable internet connection. Further; are people bringing their own laptops or not? If you are planning to work on fixed computers it might be better to work with ID, because in a lot of universities, companies, etc. there are restrictions in installing JOSM or other software on their computers. So if you plan to work with JOSM on fixed computers it might be good check and to install JOSM already on every computer of the room. If you plan to work with ID, you shouldn't have any problems. But one of the main important things is: what is your favourite mapping editor? Because this editor you probably can explain the best. Besides you, as teacher, you also need some 'helpers' who can stand behind the mappers who are trying to follow what you are explaining. In my opinion it's the best to have at least 1 person behind 6 or 7 participants, to guide them in the mapping. So these people also need to master ID or JOSM. Please inform me about what you decided, so we can share some more advice with you And for the validation, I absolutely follow Dan. :-) Groetjes, Jorieke 2015-02-04 9:30 GMT+01:00 Dan S danstowell+...@gmail.com: Hi, I'd recommend using iD for beginners - and actually, I'd recommend using iD if this is your first time organising a mapping party, because if you use JOSM you will be submerged in annoying problems installing JOSM on people's computers and that's no fun! It can be done but it helps to have more experience. For validating, I'd say any mapper who can use JOSM and has been involved in a couple of HOT tasks in the past. It's definitely a good idea of yours to validate as soon as possible, and get feedback straight back to the people you're working with. Have fun! Best Dan 2015-02-04 7:59 GMT+00:00 Willy Bakker friesewoudlo...@gmail.com: Hi, In the Netherlands we are organizing a Missing Maps Mapping Party the 14th of february. I'd really like your feedback on two questions we have: Firstly, which editor would you recommend for beginners? In Berlin during the Open Knowledge Festival I attended a HOT workshop where the iD editor was used; at the mapping party in Antwerp in december they used JOSM. Which one is the best for beginners? Secondly, we think it is important that tasks that are done are validated as soon as possible. Because of that we would like to 'appoint' an experienced mapper at the mapping party to validate the done tasks. But what are the requirements for this person? Can any experienced mapper validate tasks? Regards, Willy Bakker ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Gentle grump
Right the basic idiot guide. First write down your OSM userid and password. For task 917 we only care about highways, settlements and buildings. Buildings if only because if there is one in isolation sometimes we like to map it rather than call it a landuse=residential. Start JOSM up, in the edit menu you'll find preferences down the bottom. We need to allow HOT to remotely control JOSM to feed it the bit to map. So look for the remote control, usually second button up on the left. Click enable remote control, ignore the rest. Now we need to add a plugin, fourth tile down is the plugin button. Download the list. Look for buildings_tool they're in alphabetical order, click it and ignore the rest. go to http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/917 Read the instructions. Click on a tile, click on start mapping, select edit with JOSM. Switch back to JOSM and you'll find its pulled in the existing OSM map for the tile. We want to look at the imagery so look across the top, File, Edit etc until you reach Imagery, for this one we will be using Bing so select Bing. Now we need to trace over the image. We'll use two buttons directly under file, the top one is select, the second one is draw nodes. Hover the mouse over them to display the tags. Zoom in to the image, generally speaking I zoom so that roughly 90 meters shows on the scale. Personally I start at the top right corner and use Crtldown arrow to scan the image. The following is not the official way to do things but its fast. Draw round each settlement but don't tag it. If you're lucky enough to find a road joining settlements draw the highway in again don't tag it. As you go draw round each settlement you see on the road. Stick to one type of highway omit the others for the moment. The upload button is the fourth button from the left near Tools. When you upload JOSM will give you a warning, cancel the upload. On the right hand side normally at the bottom you'll see a Validation Results box, click on the + by the warning. You'll see untagged ways. Highlight the untagged ways and select them. In tags Add landuse=residential to them all. Click the upload button once more, again you'll get a warning this time saying landuse residential has unclosed ways, select these as a group. In tags Edit and change the tag to highway=unclassified. Now upload. You may need your OSM userid and password at this point. You'll notice that JOSM already has the source of the image filled in and the HOT tile etc. Now go back and look for highway=tracks. Again don't tag until JOSM warns you on uploading then tag them all at once. For rectangle buildings press b for the building plug-in, now find the longest side and mouse click one corner, follow the edge to the next corner then click again, now drag the mouse to the other side. Click once more and the building is done and correctly tagged for HOT. There is a lot more to JOSM but this guide's objective is to get you going productively quickly. Cheerio John On 6 March 2015 at 15:07, Ray Kiddy r...@ganymede.org wrote: On Tue, 3 Mar 2015 15:12:21 -0500 john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com wrote: Just for the heck of it I ran JOSM validation on a tile I was mapping before touching it. It turned up duplicate buildings, crossed buildings, lots of highways separated by a few inches etc. Do we need an idiot guide? A sort of this is how to provide the maximum benefit for the least effort. Speaking as an idiot, I would say that the answer to this is yes. Perhaps you think I jest Mine would probably run along the lines of for Africa the convention is only the following values of highways are used for minor highways: path, track, unclassified, use highway=road if you are uncertain. Someone will probably have tagged the secondary and primary highways. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dsecondary If possible use JOSM especially for buildings. Please map buildings as building=yes do not assume it is a house. As a 2-3 times per week mapper (who wishes I could do more), it can get frustrating. Lots of projects point to the Africa roads page but that page is hard to interpret for any particular context. There is a lot of information. And I hate to say it but I use ID and it drives me nuts. This may be from browser/js/platform issues. I am using Firefox 36.0 on Ubuntu 14.04 LTS. But I have looked at JOSM and it is somewhat bewildering and I have no idea how long it would take to get over the first humps of the learning curve. For now, my annoyances with ID are tolerable. If one was able to look at a task and see what tags where being used and how often within just that task, this might help the African roads situation. People use maps to get from one place to another, if the highways are joined up then routing software such as comes as part of OSMAND can be used. Look for highways around settlements that connect to other settlements
Re: [HOT] Installing JOSM on Mac OS
Thanks John On 9 March 2015 at 14:41, Clifford Snow cliff...@snowandsnow.us wrote: I emailed the user with instructions to upgrade Java on OS X Leopard. Basically a special app is needed to install Java on older systems. Pacifist, www.charlessoft.com, has an app to install the jdk7.x.dmg file downloaded from Oracle. If he has problems, I work with him to get it working. Clifford On Sat, Mar 7, 2015 at 6:53 PM, Harry Wood m...@harrywood.co.uk wrote: See this wiki page: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JOSM/Mac Sadly apple and oracle seem to be conspiring to make running java software on mac quite difficult. Java version 6 may be easier for some mac users, in which case the link to the older version 7000 of JOSM will work. Harry From: Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net To: john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com Cc: hot@openstreetmap.org hot@openstreetmap.org Sent: Sunday, 8 March 2015, 0:25 Subject: Re: [HOT] Installing JOSM on Mac OS On 3/7/15 7:05 PM, john whelan wrote: The user thinks he has an older version of Mac OS and wondered if it would even take JAVA 7. I'm sure it will get sorted out in time. it'd be good to know the version number in question. java 7 can certainly be installed on older Mac OS X; i ran 6 7 side by side for a long time on a 2007 vintage Macbook pro which was limited to Lion. richard -- rwe...@averillpark.net Averill Park Networking - GIS IT Consulting OpenStreetMap - PostgreSQL - Linux Java - Web Applications - Search ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot -- @osm_seattle osm_seattle.snowandsnow.us OpenStreetMap: Maps with a human touch ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Gentle grump
I think that radomised controlled trials might well be useful. Perhaps we could see which projects are successful and pick out those that the mappers are more satisfied with but only on the premise that happy mappers are less likely to drop out. I haven't expressed that well but I seethe potential for the technique within HOT. Cheerio John On 9 March 2015 at 04:56, Hazel hl...@srcf.net wrote: Hello, all, I think this is a really good point. Anything that helps data quality gets my vote, too. Why not make the interface deliberately flexible and run controlled trials, as described here? https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/test-learn-adapt- developing-public-policy-with-randomised-controlled-trials Accuracy, speed, and volunteer retention are quantifiable. Are there any other characteristics people want? All the best, Hazel On 2015-03-08 23:05, john whelan wrote: I would much prefer to see an officially approved method. People can give more thought to it but the basic idea of a workflow for simple tasks using JOSM I think is good. JOSM is easier than some people it credit for but more to the point we get less area=yes instead of buildings=yes, highways that almost meet, and duplicate buildings and anything that helps data quality get my vote. Cheerio John On 8 March 2015 at 18:51, althio althio.fo...@gmail.com wrote: John, Ray, I think the quick start guide is a very neat idea. I would need to try the workflow and a few variations for myself. For the time being I only have reservations about the trick upload-and-cancel. It would be IMO simpler and better to guide people to use consciously validation instead of faking an upload. (Validation window and/or Shift+V) I would say this particular aspect of the workflow is not intended for beginners (and idiots) because it is error-prone. (What if I am still trying to figure out what needs to be mapped? I am a beginner and do not know or understand the differences between projects and their instructions... What if I upload bad data? I am an idiot...) I think you must learn to walk before you can run. This kind of tricks is for people who want to map faster, understand the pros and cons, the purpose and risks. Anyway John, I fully agree your post is a nice starting point for this kind of guide with an approved and proposed workflow for simple tasks. Thank you Nick for safekeeping the idea. althio On Mar 7, 2015 8:43 AM, Ray Kiddy r...@ganymede.org wrote: John - Wow. That was actually an amazing help. I am not sure how adding a plugin can be made intuitive for someone doing it the first time without this level of detail. I also think part of my problem is going from slippy maps, like what we have been using on the web for years, and the iPhone and so on, to JOSM. The navigation is ... different. I guess control-arrow makes sense for moving in the map, but I seem to keep looking for a grab tool of some kind. My hands know slippy maps. And your hit-update-but-dont workflow is brilliant, but the fact that it has to be done that way, or is easier done that way Well, it suggests something is off, but I do not know what. We will see. I think that, at this point, I can go to the JOSM resources and get where I need to go. It is certainly daunting at first but, OMG, for buildings, JOSM is fantastic. Well, onward and upward. - ray On Fri, 6 Mar 2015 18:30:59 -0500 john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com wrote: Right the basic idiot guide. First write down your OSM userid and password. For task 917 we only care about highways, settlements and buildings. Buildings if only because if there is one in isolation sometimes we like to map it rather than call it a landuse=residential. Start JOSM up, in the edit menu you'll find preferences down the bottom. We need to allow HOT to remotely control JOSM to feed it the bit to map. So look for the remote control, usually second button up on the left. Click enable remote control, ignore the rest. Now we need to add a plugin, fourth tile down is the plugin button. Download the list. Look for buildings_tool they're in alphabetical order, click it and ignore the rest. go to http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/917 Read the instructions. Click on a tile, click on start mapping, select edit with JOSM. Switch back to JOSM and you'll find its pulled in the existing OSM map for the tile. We want to look at the imagery so look across the top, File, Edit etc until you reach Imagery, for this one we will be using Bing so select Bing. Now we need to trace over the image. We'll use two buttons directly under file, the top one is select, the second one is draw nodes. Hover the mouse over them to display the tags. Zoom in to the image, generally speaking I zoom so that roughly 90 meters shows on the scale. Personally I start at the top right corner and use Crtldown arrow
Re: [HOT] Contacting mappers with spaces in their names
Thanks John On 6 March 2015 at 08:29, Blake Girardot bgirar...@gmail.com wrote: Hi John, You can just type it in directly with square brackets around the name: @[First Last] for example That should do it, it just will not auto complete. cheers, Blake On 3/6/2015 2:21 PM, john whelan wrote: How do you do it? GEES +NN so looks like a student group of students but making fairly basic mistakes I'd like to catch early. Thanks John ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
[HOT] Contacting mappers with spaces in their names
How do you do it? GEES +NN so looks like a student group of students but making fairly basic mistakes I'd like to catch early. Thanks John ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Gentle grump
I would much prefer to see an officially approved method. People can give more thought to it but the basic idea of a workflow for simple tasks using JOSM I think is good. JOSM is easier than some people it credit for but more to the point we get less area=yes instead of buildings=yes, highways that almost meet, and duplicate buildings and anything that helps data quality get my vote. Cheerio John On 8 March 2015 at 18:51, althio althio.fo...@gmail.com wrote: John, Ray, I think the quick start guide is a very neat idea. I would need to try the workflow and a few variations for myself. For the time being I only have reservations about the trick upload-and-cancel. It would be IMO simpler and better to guide people to use consciously validation instead of faking an upload. (Validation window and/or Shift+V) I would say this particular aspect of the workflow is not intended for beginners (and idiots) because it is error-prone. (What if I am still trying to figure out what needs to be mapped? I am a beginner and do not know or understand the differences between projects and their instructions... What if I upload bad data? I am an idiot...) I think you must learn to walk before you can run. This kind of tricks is for people who want to map faster, understand the pros and cons, the purpose and risks. Anyway John, I fully agree your post is a nice starting point for this kind of guide with an approved and proposed workflow for simple tasks. Thank you Nick for safekeeping the idea. althio On Mar 7, 2015 8:43 AM, Ray Kiddy r...@ganymede.org wrote: John - Wow. That was actually an amazing help. I am not sure how adding a plugin can be made intuitive for someone doing it the first time without this level of detail. I also think part of my problem is going from slippy maps, like what we have been using on the web for years, and the iPhone and so on, to JOSM. The navigation is ... different. I guess control-arrow makes sense for moving in the map, but I seem to keep looking for a grab tool of some kind. My hands know slippy maps. And your hit-update-but-dont workflow is brilliant, but the fact that it has to be done that way, or is easier done that way Well, it suggests something is off, but I do not know what. We will see. I think that, at this point, I can go to the JOSM resources and get where I need to go. It is certainly daunting at first but, OMG, for buildings, JOSM is fantastic. Well, onward and upward. - ray On Fri, 6 Mar 2015 18:30:59 -0500 john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com wrote: Right the basic idiot guide. First write down your OSM userid and password. For task 917 we only care about highways, settlements and buildings. Buildings if only because if there is one in isolation sometimes we like to map it rather than call it a landuse=residential. Start JOSM up, in the edit menu you'll find preferences down the bottom. We need to allow HOT to remotely control JOSM to feed it the bit to map. So look for the remote control, usually second button up on the left. Click enable remote control, ignore the rest. Now we need to add a plugin, fourth tile down is the plugin button. Download the list. Look for buildings_tool they're in alphabetical order, click it and ignore the rest. go to http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/917 Read the instructions. Click on a tile, click on start mapping, select edit with JOSM. Switch back to JOSM and you'll find its pulled in the existing OSM map for the tile. We want to look at the imagery so look across the top, File, Edit etc until you reach Imagery, for this one we will be using Bing so select Bing. Now we need to trace over the image. We'll use two buttons directly under file, the top one is select, the second one is draw nodes. Hover the mouse over them to display the tags. Zoom in to the image, generally speaking I zoom so that roughly 90 meters shows on the scale. Personally I start at the top right corner and use Crtldown arrow to scan the image. The following is not the official way to do things but its fast. Draw round each settlement but don't tag it. If you're lucky enough to find a road joining settlements draw the highway in again don't tag it. As you go draw round each settlement you see on the road. Stick to one type of highway omit the others for the moment. The upload button is the fourth button from the left near Tools. When you upload JOSM will give you a warning, cancel the upload. On the right hand side normally at the bottom you'll see a Validation Results box, click on the + by the warning. You'll see untagged ways. Highlight the untagged ways and select them. In tags Add landuse=residential to them all. Click the upload button once more, again you'll get a warning this time saying landuse residential has unclosed ways, select these as a group. In tags Edit
Re: [HOT] Suggestion needed: Household level OSM in Bangladesh
In Canada a lot of addresses have been imported from CANVEC, generally the corner house is numbered with the street name and a way that renders in a dotted line joins the numbered houses. Certainly in Ottawa. In OSMAND you can search for a street then it will give you a list of numbers that have been mapped and you can select the nearest one. This maybe a solution that could be adapted. Cheerio John On 7 March 2015 at 20:56, Kate Chapman kate.chap...@hotosm.org wrote: Hi Ahasan, Mapping the buildings as points is not problem. Often I think we are mapping the building outlines because it looks more visually appealing on a map than anything else. Best, -Kate On Sat, Mar 7, 2015 at 9:28 AM, Ahasanul Hoque hoque.aha...@gmail.com wrote: Hello dear Mappers, Hope you all are doing great. I need a kind suggestion from you guyz. Last week I facilitated a OSM training at Bangladesh Bureau of Statistics (BBS) which is the is the only national Statistical institution responsible for collecting, compiling and disseminating statistical data of all the sectors of the Bangladesh economy to meet and provide the data-needs of the users and other stake holders like national level planners and other agencies of the Govt. Under the auspices of the computer wing of BBS, a development project entitled *Strengthening Capacity of BBS in Population and Demographic Data Collection Using GIS* is being implemented. The objective is to prepare digital enumeration area maps for conducting various censuses and surveys, aiming to reduce non-sampling errors. I introduced them with OSM, now they want to do a piloting. In that case some issues arise like, *How should the House/building draw: rectangle or as a point ? *since, In JOSM based task mapping each households mapping is difficult.and during field paper mapping to draw the exact shape is difficult. That is why people are suggesting to map the households as point not rectangle. Would you please suggest me *what should I do in this case from their experience (if have) ? It is very important for OSM, if we can make it successful then whole Bangladesh will be mapped in future by BBS.* Thanks in Advance. Ahasan . Ahasanul Hoque *GIS Data Mgt SpecialistWSP, **The World Bank.* MSc in RS and GIS | AIT, Thailand. MSc. in Env. Science| KU, Bangladesh. *Diploma in Disaster Mgt Humanitarian Response* | Uni of Hawai-USA, UNU, Keio Okayama - Japan; AIT-Thailand*.* *Contact: *hoque.aha...@gmail.com; ahasan...@yahoo.com ahasan...@gmail.com | Web: *ahasanulhoque.com* http://ahasanulhoque.com/ *Skype: *ahasan4u | *Linkedin: **http://tinyurl.com/njg3xsp http://tinyurl.com/njg3xsp * Please, Consider the Environment before Printing this Mail !!! ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot -- Kate Chapman Executive Director email: kate.chap...@hotosm.org U.S. mobile: +1 703 673 8834 Indonesian mobile: +62 82123068370 *Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team * *Using OpenStreetMap for Humanitarian Response Economic Development* web http://hot.openstreetmap.org | twitter http://twitter.com/hotosm | facebook http://facebook.com/hotosm | donate http://hot.openstreetmap.org/donate ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Suggestion needed: Household level OSM in Bangladesh
Personal view only, there are no standards in OSM so both are acceptable. HOT has guidelines but they are guidelines and given the mixture of people mapping there is not the same consistency as you might get from civil servants mapping to standards. Is there any reason why you can't add them as points but also process rectangles? Cheerio John On 7 March 2015 at 12:28, Ahasanul Hoque hoque.aha...@gmail.com wrote: Hello dear Mappers, Hope you all are doing great. I need a kind suggestion from you guyz. Last week I facilitated a OSM training at Bangladesh Bureau of Statistics (BBS) which is the is the only national Statistical institution responsible for collecting, compiling and disseminating statistical data of all the sectors of the Bangladesh economy to meet and provide the data-needs of the users and other stake holders like national level planners and other agencies of the Govt. Under the auspices of the computer wing of BBS, a development project entitled *Strengthening Capacity of BBS in Population and Demographic Data Collection Using GIS* is being implemented. The objective is to prepare digital enumeration area maps for conducting various censuses and surveys, aiming to reduce non-sampling errors. I introduced them with OSM, now they want to do a piloting. In that case some issues arise like, *How should the House/building draw: rectangle or as a point ? *since, In JOSM based task mapping each households mapping is difficult.and during field paper mapping to draw the exact shape is difficult. That is why people are suggesting to map the households as point not rectangle. Would you please suggest me *what should I do in this case from their experience (if have) ? It is very important for OSM, if we can make it successful then whole Bangladesh will be mapped in future by BBS.* Thanks in Advance. Ahasan . Ahasanul Hoque *GIS Data Mgt SpecialistWSP, **The World Bank.* MSc in RS and GIS | AIT, Thailand. MSc. in Env. Science| KU, Bangladesh. *Diploma in Disaster Mgt Humanitarian Response* | Uni of Hawai-USA, UNU, Keio Okayama - Japan; AIT-Thailand*.* *Contact: *hoque.aha...@gmail.com; ahasan...@yahoo.com ahasan...@gmail.com | Web: *ahasanulhoque.com* http://ahasanulhoque.com/ *Skype: *ahasan4u | *Linkedin: **http://tinyurl.com/njg3xsp http://tinyurl.com/njg3xsp * Please, Consider the Environment before Printing this Mail !!! ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
[HOT] Installing JOSM on Mac OS
I did a post here talking about an idiot guide to JOSM and then got asked about Mac OS and installing it. Any suggestions other than the JOSM web site and the Mac OS links? I run Win 7 and have no experience with Mac OS. Thanks John ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Gentle grump
Thank you for testing it. The grab handle needs to be added, press and hold the right mouse button then move the mouse. From the mapper's point of view the building tool is very nice as you say, marking the settlements then tagging them all once is much faster so you feel as if you are accomplishing more. From the maps point of view we get less wasted effort and we get a cleaner map. I've changed hundreds if not thousands of area=yes to building=yes tags, JOSM will tell you if two highways are almost touching, this is important for routing. It will spot duplicate buildings, and I've seen a number of these, sometimes both have the same author on them. Perhaps someone could add/incorporate this idiot guide to the learn OSM page? It would need to be extended to include the grab handle. Thanks Cheerio John On 7 March 2015 at 02:41, Ray Kiddy r...@ganymede.org wrote: John - Wow. That was actually an amazing help. I am not sure how adding a plugin can be made intuitive for someone doing it the first time without this level of detail. I also think part of my problem is going from slippy maps, like what we have been using on the web for years, and the iPhone and so on, to JOSM. The navigation is ... different. I guess control-arrow makes sense for moving in the map, but I seem to keep looking for a grab tool of some kind. My hands know slippy maps. And your hit-update-but-dont workflow is brilliant, but the fact that it has to be done that way, or is easier done that way Well, it suggests something is off, but I do not know what. We will see. I think that, at this point, I can go to the JOSM resources and get where I need to go. It is certainly daunting at first but, OMG, for buildings, JOSM is fantastic. Well, onward and upward. - ray On Fri, 6 Mar 2015 18:30:59 -0500 john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com wrote: Right the basic idiot guide. First write down your OSM userid and password. For task 917 we only care about highways, settlements and buildings. Buildings if only because if there is one in isolation sometimes we like to map it rather than call it a landuse=residential. Start JOSM up, in the edit menu you'll find preferences down the bottom. We need to allow HOT to remotely control JOSM to feed it the bit to map. So look for the remote control, usually second button up on the left. Click enable remote control, ignore the rest. Now we need to add a plugin, fourth tile down is the plugin button. Download the list. Look for buildings_tool they're in alphabetical order, click it and ignore the rest. go to http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/917 Read the instructions. Click on a tile, click on start mapping, select edit with JOSM. Switch back to JOSM and you'll find its pulled in the existing OSM map for the tile. We want to look at the imagery so look across the top, File, Edit etc until you reach Imagery, for this one we will be using Bing so select Bing. Now we need to trace over the image. We'll use two buttons directly under file, the top one is select, the second one is draw nodes. Hover the mouse over them to display the tags. Zoom in to the image, generally speaking I zoom so that roughly 90 meters shows on the scale. Personally I start at the top right corner and use Crtldown arrow to scan the image. The following is not the official way to do things but its fast. Draw round each settlement but don't tag it. If you're lucky enough to find a road joining settlements draw the highway in again don't tag it. As you go draw round each settlement you see on the road. Stick to one type of highway omit the others for the moment. The upload button is the fourth button from the left near Tools. When you upload JOSM will give you a warning, cancel the upload. On the right hand side normally at the bottom you'll see a Validation Results box, click on the + by the warning. You'll see untagged ways. Highlight the untagged ways and select them. In tags Add landuse=residential to them all. Click the upload button once more, again you'll get a warning this time saying landuse residential has unclosed ways, select these as a group. In tags Edit and change the tag to highway=unclassified. Now upload. You may need your OSM userid and password at this point. You'll notice that JOSM already has the source of the image filled in and the HOT tile etc. Now go back and look for highway=tracks. Again don't tag until JOSM warns you on uploading then tag them all at once. For rectangle buildings press b for the building plug-in, now find the longest side and mouse click one corner, follow the edge to the next corner then click again, now drag the mouse to the other side. Click once more and the building is done and correctly tagged for HOT. There is a lot more to JOSM but this guide's objective is to get you going productively
Re: [HOT] Gentle grump
Probably having got them started with JOSM it might be an idea to have a small series of how to map a to extend it. My thought might be how to map a tree, its basic but by referencing the map features page of the wiki and then natural=tree http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:natural%3Dtree you can introduce the concept of multiple tags. Someone with a teaching or training background might be able to identify what should be in the how to part to make it relevant to HOT. Cheerio John On 7 March 2015 at 16:15, Nick Allen nick.allen...@gmail.com wrote: John, Thanks for that - you've got some very good ideas there. I've created issue https://github.com/hotosm/learnosm/issues/334 for learnOSM so we don't lose it can incorporate when we get the chance. Thanks again. Nick On 07/03/15 12:02, john whelan wrote: Thank you for testing it. The grab handle needs to be added, press and hold the right mouse button then move the mouse. From the mapper's point of view the building tool is very nice as you say, marking the settlements then tagging them all once is much faster so you feel as if you are accomplishing more. From the maps point of view we get less wasted effort and we get a cleaner map. I've changed hundreds if not thousands of area=yes to building=yes tags, JOSM will tell you if two highways are almost touching, this is important for routing. It will spot duplicate buildings, and I've seen a number of these, sometimes both have the same author on them. Perhaps someone could add/incorporate this idiot guide to the learn OSM page? It would need to be extended to include the grab handle. Thanks Cheerio John On 7 March 2015 at 02:41, Ray Kiddy r...@ganymede.org wrote: John - Wow. That was actually an amazing help. I am not sure how adding a plugin can be made intuitive for someone doing it the first time without this level of detail. I also think part of my problem is going from slippy maps, like what we have been using on the web for years, and the iPhone and so on, to JOSM. The navigation is ... different. I guess control-arrow makes sense for moving in the map, but I seem to keep looking for a grab tool of some kind. My hands know slippy maps. And your hit-update-but-dont workflow is brilliant, but the fact that it has to be done that way, or is easier done that way Well, it suggests something is off, but I do not know what. We will see. I think that, at this point, I can go to the JOSM resources and get where I need to go. It is certainly daunting at first but, OMG, for buildings, JOSM is fantastic. Well, onward and upward. - ray On Fri, 6 Mar 2015 18:30:59 -0500 john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com wrote: Right the basic idiot guide. First write down your OSM userid and password. For task 917 we only care about highways, settlements and buildings. Buildings if only because if there is one in isolation sometimes we like to map it rather than call it a landuse=residential. Start JOSM up, in the edit menu you'll find preferences down the bottom. We need to allow HOT to remotely control JOSM to feed it the bit to map. So look for the remote control, usually second button up on the left. Click enable remote control, ignore the rest. Now we need to add a plugin, fourth tile down is the plugin button. Download the list. Look for buildings_tool they're in alphabetical order, click it and ignore the rest. go to http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/917 Read the instructions. Click on a tile, click on start mapping, select edit with JOSM. Switch back to JOSM and you'll find its pulled in the existing OSM map for the tile. We want to look at the imagery so look across the top, File, Edit etc until you reach Imagery, for this one we will be using Bing so select Bing. Now we need to trace over the image. We'll use two buttons directly under file, the top one is select, the second one is draw nodes. Hover the mouse over them to display the tags. Zoom in to the image, generally speaking I zoom so that roughly 90 meters shows on the scale. Personally I start at the top right corner and use Crtldown arrow to scan the image. The following is not the official way to do things but its fast. Draw round each settlement but don't tag it. If you're lucky enough to find a road joining settlements draw the highway in again don't tag it. As you go draw round each settlement you see on the road. Stick to one type of highway omit the others for the moment. The upload button is the fourth button from the left near Tools. When you upload JOSM will give you a warning, cancel the upload. On the right hand side normally at the bottom you'll see a Validation Results box, click on the + by the warning. You'll see untagged ways. Highlight the untagged ways and select them. In tags Add landuse=residential to them all. Click the upload button
Re: [HOT] Installing JOSM on Mac OS
The user thinks he has an older version of Mac OS and wondered if it would even take JAVA 7. I'm sure it will get sorted out in time. Cheerio John On 7 March 2015 at 18:12, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net wrote: On 3/7/15 12:32 PM, john whelan wrote: I did a post here talking about an idiot guide to JOSM and then got asked about Mac OS and installing it. Any suggestions other than the JOSM web site and the Mac OS links? yes, you will need a little language about the fact that newer versions of Mac OS X have some security stuff that makes installing the JOSM Mac app kind of annoying, and how to deal with that. i will think about what that language might look like in an idiot's guide context. richard -- rwe...@averillpark.net Averill Park Networking - GIS IT Consulting OpenStreetMap - PostgreSQL - Linux Java - Web Applications - Search ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Mayendit task
Looking at it I would concur that the imagery could be better Also the expectations are not clear to me, is a generic hut ie CrtlV in JOSM or do you want the real size of the hut? Some tiles have the imagery listed in the instructions and some tiles do not. There seems to be a variety of mapping styles some huts are drawn, others are dropped in as points. Cheerio John On 7 March 2015 at 10:45, Vao Matua vaoma...@gmail.com wrote: Pete, I would appreciate the feedback from site visits. It is difficult to know if the imagery shows buildings or trees, paths or streams. Hopefully the mapping will make things go faster in the field. Emmor On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 8:57 PM, Pete Masters pedrito1...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi Pierre, I totally agree. I will ask for feedback. Also, we are trying to up our game in terms of local field mapping thus year. I guess there is no better validation. Bangladesh was super interesting, for example. Although the tracing was often way out, it was super important for the local mappers as they were able to reference their position via gos on their smartphones with their position on the field papers. With the combination of the two tools, incorrect landmarks were almost as good as correct ones. And of course, they were able to validate the tracing. It is also important, I guess, for people working with NGOs and HOT to manage expectations and make clear that tracing remotely is by no means fool proof! Variances in mapping skill, image quality, context etc... Look forward to discussing this further. Pete On 6 Mar 2015 16:53, Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr wrote: Hi Pete Yes, the contributors are prompt to respond to MSF and other humanitarian organizations operational projects. And be sure that such feedback about these projects is most appreciated by the HOT contributors. Let me make some disgression suggesting more intensive collaboration. We are a techy organization and the big contributors appreciate the capacity to move forward and work more closely with the field teams, to explore workflows to better interact. Feedback is a must to keep the incentive to participate. Even in the context of urgent projects, if the teams take the time to give minimal feedback, I am convince that this will assure a good progress of the Task Manager jobs. The article about Ebola refered by Russell this week, presented some criticism about the Ebola basemap quality relying it to the Crowdsource mapping or import of Settlement place names with duplicates. This shows misunderstanding about how we can collectively, the OSM community and the international organizations deployed in the field, build a coherent map. Crowdsourcing the digitalization of aerial imagery or data imports, this is only one step in building an exhaustive map that can support humanitarian operations. To complete the map, the volunteers from abroad need more interaction with the field team GIS specialists. After mostly a year contributing for the Ebola activation and with all the GIS specialists in the field working for Ebola, we still see how it is difficult to go further then Crowdsource remote mapping and as a Global humanitarian community integrate the field data collection in a more coherent information system, to share with others. Working on smaller projects like this one, this could be often an opportunity to progress and find ways to better interact. regard Pierre -- *De :* Pete Masters pedrito1...@googlemail.com *À :* hot@openstreetmap.org hot@openstreetmap.org *Envoyé le :* Vendredi 6 mars 2015 10h43 *Objet :* [HOT] Mayendit task Hi all, I planned to write an email this afternoon to ask for your help with the Mayendit task (http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/923). The MSF team need the data fairly urgently. However, when I just went to look, I saw it was already at 28%! This is amazing So, instead I will just say, keep up the good work. The team needs the data by mid next week, but I think that looks very likely to happen. If anyone has time to do a bit of validation, that would also be super cool. (I try not to post to this list too much about Missing Maps tasks as you are all already involved in so many worthy projects. This is an exception because of the task's urgent nature...) Thanks again! Pete -- *Pete Masters* Missing Maps Project Coordinator +44 7921 781 518 missingmaps.org http://www.missingmaps.org/ *@pedrito1414* https://twitter.com/TheMissingMaps *@theMissingMaps* https://twitter.com/TheMissingMaps *facebook.com/MissingMapsProject* https://www.facebook.com/MissingMapsProject ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
[HOT] Source=PGS issue on 917 task 98
/917#task/98 has 27 ways marked with this. Fifteen have no other tags on them. Twelve have natural=water tags but to be honest they don't seem to tie up with the satellite imagery at all. I am aware of http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Prototype_Global_Shoreline but none of these have natural=coastline http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:natural%3Dcoastline tags. My inclination would be to zap the lot but could some one with more specialist knowledge look it over. Thanks John ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Source=PGS issue on 917 task 98
So for the moment I'll validate it. Thanks John On 13 March 2015 at 14:18, Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr wrote: Hi John PGS source, this is old imports of varying quality defining the coastal areas. Mapping the area, I also saw those polygons that seem to delimit wetlands but do not fit with the imagery. Effectively, I think that we can later revise all of this and remove. Pierre -- *De :* john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com *À :* hot@openstreetmap.org hot@openstreetmap.org *Envoyé le :* Vendredi 13 mars 2015 13h37 *Objet :* [HOT] Source=PGS issue on 917 task 98 /917#task/98 has 27 ways marked with this. Fifteen have no other tags on them. Twelve have natural=water tags but to be honest they don't seem to tie up with the satellite imagery at all. I am aware of http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Prototype_Global_Shoreline but none of these have natural=coastline http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:natural%3Dcoastline tags. My inclination would be to zap the lot but could some one with more specialist knowledge look it over. Thanks John ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
[HOT] West African HOT Mapping Tips
Could the link https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Bgirardot/West_African_HOT_Mapping_Tips be added to the instructions of all HOT West African projects? I wasn't aware of it before the post on Surface mines characteristics and it clarified a couple of things for me. It's certainly useful when validating to have a reference to point enthusiastic mappers to. If possible could an image showing two or three small settlements of say three or four huts joined together with what I would normally think of as footpaths to show how these should be mapped and the connecting highways tagged. I've noticed some variation between the mappers when validating. Could we also have a guideline on huts? I've seen them mapped as a single point and as a circle. In JOSM its very quick to copy and paste a hut but that does mean slight variations in size are not mapped correctly. The other issue would be isolated buildings, I tend to map the building rather than tag it landuse=residential again a guideline would be useful. Rather than overwhelm the mapper with the idea that everything guidelined needs to be mapped I suggest somewhere it says perhaps in the instructions For this project please map the roads and settlements according to the guidelines here: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Bgirardot/West_African_HOT_Mapping_Tips Thanks John ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] open geology map
So probably the best place for it would be a separate database that could be combined with OSM data. There is no reason why it couldn't use OSM format and tools such as JOSM though. I worked in a library for a while and we had a theory that if you asked five classifiers how to classify a book you'd get six different answers. Cheerio John On 14 March 2015 at 13:38, Charlotte Wolter techl...@techlady.com wrote: Sander, I agree with most of your points and would like to add that surface geology is a highly specialized field requiring a great deal of expertise. I'm a geology buff myself, and there is no way I would attempt to map that. Also, there often is strong disagreement among geology professionals about the nature and dating of rock units, disagreements that make some of our set-tos about how to code sound trivial. Also, there generally is a lot of local information about landslides and tsunami risk, courtesy of the USGS, though sometimes it is ignored. In Los Angeles, tsunami-prone areas are signed along major roads, as are the areas subject to debris flows. The recent deadly landslide in Oregon was in an area known to experience landslides, but apparently the risk was not widely publicized. Tsunami risk, perhaps, could work as an overlay, and I believe that data is available from the USGS. But, generally, I think this whole area may be too technical for widespread application in OSM, even though I would enjoy seeing it. Charlotte At 05:59 AM 3/13/2015, you wrote: I think this suggestion belongs more on the general OSM talk or tagging list than on the HOT list, but anyway. There are already a number of ways to tag surface, like surface=*, natural=*, landuse=*, landcover=*, ... Just read the wiki about those (f.e. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:natural ) There's also a convention in OSM about sub-tagging. F.e. you could tag natural=rock + rock=sandstone Thus I guess most of what you want is already possible in OSM. You should only try to add a few more specific conventions (f.e. about the types of rock). I probably don't really get your 3D attempts, but the general concensus is that it's hard to get in certain places, and thus you can't make a uniform map of heights or angles. As such, OSM contains no height or slope data (apart from the elevation of some peaks), but leaves this to professionals (such as the NASA). It isn't so hard to extract a general slope from good precision elevation data, so there's no point in including it directly in OSM data (with the right preprocessor, it can get rendered on the map anyway). So that doesn't belong in OSM, but it isn't the biggest problem IMO. The biggest problem I see in your attempt is ignoring that OSM is a crowdsourced effort. For crowdsourcing, you need a crowd, and that crowd is most easily found in populated places. Your effort seems to focus on areas with a low population (a city isn't very vulnerable for a landslide). But sadly, there's no crowd around there, so the most we would be able to do is some mapping from aerial pictures. This shouldn't hinder you from starting the project, but you shouldn't have very high expectations from it. Regards, Sander 2015-03-12 22:03 GMT+01:00 Hazel hl...@srcf.net: Dear All, Can we again discuss putting geological data into OSM? Specifically, I'd like a recommended way to tag fault lines and surface geology polygons. This e-mail assumes the reader knows nothing of geology, apologies to everyone else. First, the usecase: geological data saves lives in natural disasters, it is useful for common activities like agriculture, and it is interesting in its own right. It can also be usefully collected by amateurs. I am not suggesting that OSM should produce disaster risk maps, or recommendations for farmers. I am saying OSM could collect the data that would allow experts to quickly and easily make these things. Using OSM contours, they can work out areas of flood risk and tsunami escape routes. Using contours and and basic geological information, they can work out areas of landslide risk (landslides kill more people than volcanoes or floods or earthquakes, but they kill a few dozen at a time). If we map faults, they'll know more about where earthquakes are likely to happen (you know the photos of roads after earthquakes, offset by a few centimeters? The fault is the plane where the offset happens, and earthquakes use the same faults over and over again). If you map areas of shallow bedrock vs. unconsolidated sediment, you know which areas may suffer soil liquifaction in an earthquake. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soil_liquefaction soil liquifaction Technical infodump: To make a geological map, you map areas with similar surface rock or sediment2. You describe them (anything from field IDs like greenish rock #2 to detailed technical descriptions) and give them proper names (e.g.
Re: [HOT] validating tiles
and whilst I'm on my soap box there are two other issues with tiles. The first is micro tiling where tiles without much on them are split into sixteen tiles each with perhaps one hut on them, and the other is I've seen tiles that really are completely mapped, yes I've gone through them systematically but I've had to add much less than I have when validating sometimes. I get the feeling some mappers don't feel confident enough to mark a tile as done. Cheerio John On 25 March 2015 at 07:47, john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com wrote: But on the other hand we have some mappers whom I'm confident their tiles will contain only very minor errors, and given the large number of projects that could do with mapping I'm not sure that spending time validating these is the best use of our very limited resources. If we are going to spend time validating then perhaps we should seriously think of only taking on new projects when we have the capacity to finish them within say a year. I have noticed that validating the tile in JOSM with the validate button has identified a number of issues. I've also noticed that validating quickly on a project seems to help the project roll along the feedback both helps correct mappers, they do less errors in future and keeps them motivated. The other issue is I've seen some validations when tiles are rejected for minor reasons such as the classification of a highway as a track rather than unclassified or a path was missed that led from nowhere to nowhere. These sort of validations tend not to inspire. Cheerio John On 25 March 2015 at 05:55, Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr wrote: We have already made similar propositions a few times on the Github isssues service for the Tasking manager. See the recent discussion. https://github.com/hotosm/osm-tasking-manager2/issues/545 Pierre -- *De :* Denis Carriere carriere.de...@gmail.com *À :* Daniel Specht danspe...@gmail.com *Cc :* hot@openstreetmap.org *Envoyé le :* Mercredi 25 mars 2015 0h55 *Objet :* Re: [HOT] validating tiles Very good points you brought up Dan. I feel very strongly about the #2 point about adding a statistic for validators, it does take effort to browse the tiles properly. I sometimes end up adding a few missing buildings or landuse areas if they are only a few minor missing features. Hopefully those points can be looked into developed in the near future for the Tasking Manager. On Mar 24, 2015 9:53 PM, Daniel Specht danspe...@gmail.com wrote: Lots of projects are mapped quickly, but validated slowly. This could be because (A) beginners don't feel qualified to pass judgement (B) people don't like to pass judgement (C) doing original work is more fun than reviewing someone else's work. I have a couple suggestions for encouraging validation. 1. Include instructions for validation on the instructions tab. Because the instructions tab only has mapping instructions, readers may think that validation is for someone else to do. 2. Include validation statistics on the stats tab. Because the stats tab only has statistics for tiles completed, mappers may think that validating tiles is not essential. Also, these statistics give the mapper, but not the validator, a psychological reward. I've been validating a lot of tiles -- sometimes I seem to be doing most of the validations on a project -- and even though seeing the number by your name increment isn't the biggest thrill in the world, I have to admit that I miss it.. -- Dan ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] validating tiles
Needs another look? maybe, both incomplete and invalid are slightly negative. I like the idea of sending someone a more positive message when their tiles have been validated, could it include the comment by the validator? Cheerio John On 25 March 2015 at 11:27, James Conkling james.lane.conkl...@gmail.com wrote: 'incomplete' instead of 'invalid'? I'll be honest, I've never validated a task b/c I thought you needed a certain level of 'certification' (even informally). On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 11:09 AM, Blake Girardot bgirar...@gmail.com wrote: This is kind of a very subtle point, but I have written about it before: I find it difficult to validate tiles because they so often need more work and are not really done. That leaves me with these choices: 1. Do the mapping myself, which I usually do, but then I have less time for validating tiles. 2. Mark the tile invalid and know that a new mapper is going to get an email saying their work has been invalidated. I never do this unless it was clearly marked done as a mistake. 3. Unlock the tile and leave it as is for someone else to deal with. I do this more often than I care to admit. I think we could do 1 or 2 things that would make the process a bit better: 1. We could change the term from invalid, a somewhat strong term in English and what I consider de-motivating. I can't think of one word, but we need something more friendly like Needs more mapping 2. Not send notices for invalidated tasks, and instead send notifications for validated tasks. I think mappers would be more motivated by getting positive feedback than negative feedback. We could probably data mine the answer, but I wonder how many mappers who marked a tile done (often not even the person who did the mapping) and get an invalidated notice go then back and do the corrective mapping. I think option 2 would be very easy to implement. I know I would do more validations and tiles that needed more mapping might get more mapping if I didn't have to worry about discouraging new mappers by invalidating tasks. On a related note: I would encourage anyone who is doing training at missing maps or mapping parties to let mappers know, invalidated is totally fine and really just means needs more mapping. Cheers, Blake On 3/25/2015 2:51 AM, Daniel Specht wrote: Lots of projects are mapped quickly, but validated slowly. This could be because (A) beginners don't feel qualified to pass judgement (B) people don't like to pass judgement (C) doing original work is more fun than reviewing someone else's work. I have a couple suggestions for encouraging validation. 1. Include instructions for validation on the instructions tab. Because the instructions tab only has mapping instructions, readers may think that validation is for someone else to do. 2. Include validation statistics on the stats tab. Because the stats tab only has statistics for tiles completed, mappers may think that validating tiles is not essential. Also, these statistics give the mapper, but not the validator, a psychological reward. I've been validating a lot of tiles -- sometimes I seem to be doing most of the validations on a project -- and even though seeing the number by your name increment isn't the biggest thrill in the world, I have to admit that I miss it.. -- Dan ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] validating tiles
And just to go off at a tangent has anyone thought about tapping into old people's homes? Some residents are mentally alert and it might help keep them amused. Not a full scale mapathon and you might even have to explain what a mouse is. Many will not have wifi, but JOSM can work off line and I understand even hold the images for a tile or two off line as well but if you can pull it off you might find five or so residents per home putting an hour a day into it and before anyone asks, my home contacts are 3,000 miles away so I'm not best placed to do this, and I suspect you'd need to talk it through with a home and someone who knows this sort of resident first on how best to approach it. Cheerio John On 25 March 2015 at 14:12, Pete Masters pedrito1...@googlemail.com wrote: It's an interesting discussion and one that we have fairly frequently. At the mapathons we run in London, whoever is doing the training is careful to make clear that volunteers should mark squares as done once they think they are done. They are reassured that when a validator goes over their mapping, they will either validate or they will help the mapper to develop by providing pointers. They are encouraged, at that point, to go over their work. In the same vein, we have tables at mapathons where people who have been to a few Missing Maps events start to validate the other attendees' work, under the supervision of an experienced HOTty. These guys are encouraged from the outset to leave positive and instructive feedback at the point of invalidation. We are trying to find ways to teach diligence whilst inspiring confidence in the new mappers. Anecdotally, we think these measures are working, but it would great to know. I love Blake's idea to data mine the effectiveness of this! Cheers, Pete On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 5:36 PM, john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com wrote: Needs another look? maybe, both incomplete and invalid are slightly negative. I like the idea of sending someone a more positive message when their tiles have been validated, could it include the comment by the validator? Cheerio John On 25 March 2015 at 11:27, James Conkling james.lane.conkl...@gmail.com wrote: 'incomplete' instead of 'invalid'? I'll be honest, I've never validated a task b/c I thought you needed a certain level of 'certification' (even informally). On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 11:09 AM, Blake Girardot bgirar...@gmail.com wrote: This is kind of a very subtle point, but I have written about it before: I find it difficult to validate tiles because they so often need more work and are not really done. That leaves me with these choices: 1. Do the mapping myself, which I usually do, but then I have less time for validating tiles. 2. Mark the tile invalid and know that a new mapper is going to get an email saying their work has been invalidated. I never do this unless it was clearly marked done as a mistake. 3. Unlock the tile and leave it as is for someone else to deal with. I do this more often than I care to admit. I think we could do 1 or 2 things that would make the process a bit better: 1. We could change the term from invalid, a somewhat strong term in English and what I consider de-motivating. I can't think of one word, but we need something more friendly like Needs more mapping 2. Not send notices for invalidated tasks, and instead send notifications for validated tasks. I think mappers would be more motivated by getting positive feedback than negative feedback. We could probably data mine the answer, but I wonder how many mappers who marked a tile done (often not even the person who did the mapping) and get an invalidated notice go then back and do the corrective mapping. I think option 2 would be very easy to implement. I know I would do more validations and tiles that needed more mapping might get more mapping if I didn't have to worry about discouraging new mappers by invalidating tasks. On a related note: I would encourage anyone who is doing training at missing maps or mapping parties to let mappers know, invalidated is totally fine and really just means needs more mapping. Cheers, Blake On 3/25/2015 2:51 AM, Daniel Specht wrote: Lots of projects are mapped quickly, but validated slowly. This could be because (A) beginners don't feel qualified to pass judgement (B) people don't like to pass judgement (C) doing original work is more fun than reviewing someone else's work. I have a couple suggestions for encouraging validation. 1. Include instructions for validation on the instructions tab. Because the instructions tab only has mapping instructions, readers may think that validation is for someone else to do. 2. Include validation statistics on the stats tab. Because the stats tab only has statistics for tiles completed, mappers may think that validating tiles is not essential. Also, these statistics give the mapper
Re: [HOT] Missing Maps Mapathon - Going on now
What is the basic road supposed to be mapped? I'm assuming highway track as its mostly fields as most other squares seem to be using it. Is Skype available? I have it up johnwhelan3316 Thanks John On 28 March 2015 at 13:36, Blake Girardot bgirar...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone, There is at least one Missing Maps mapathon going on right now. The main Tasking Manager Project focus is: http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/955 We could use some encouraging validation if you have any extra time today. The Activity tab will help you find tasks that were recently marked done and need validation (you often have to 'refresh' the page for that tab to update). Please be sure to use the @username mention in the comments to who ever marked it done so they will get a notice you validated it and some encouraging words :) Cheers, Blake ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Validating
Hello, I read your message about validating, I am new, I have digitized a lot of buildings for Malawi, and the Vanatu. I thought I should just jump in, work as completely as possible and then leave it to be validated. I don't feel confident enough to say its done. Is that the wrong way to go about, I don't want to generate a backlog for anyone. Thanks Keith I'll reply in the general message area because it maybe of interest to others. First any mapping you do will be of use and will be used. There are a couple of issues, first is OSM has many different opinions and these are just mine. HOT is more structured than OSM so we have a process where an area is defined, a tile and only one mapper works there at a time. Ideally the tiles are the right size so one experienced mapper who knows what they are doing can complete a tile and mark it done in a session. Then someone validates it. Sometimes this is done in a maperthon where experienced mappers are available to assist. Sometimes its done by people working by themselves. Reality at the moment is we have a lot of inexperienced mappers and even with the experienced ones they have different ideas about what should be tagged and how they should be tagged. Some work is being done about getting guidelines drawn up with examples to assist. Ideally with new mappers you want to validate and give feedback fairly quickly. It reduces the number of errors in future and giving some sort of feedback is generally motivating but we do have tiles that haven't been validated in three years. On Project 917 I aim to validate within one day and often within a few hours. I am not the project manager for 917 by the way. If you look you'll see quite a few tiles that haven't been validated. I marked them done so by convention someone else needs to validate them. Generally speaking if you break a complex task down then you can divide it up between less experienced people and leave the complex bits to others. This is normal production line work flow. We are dealing with volunteers so the more boring jobs just don't get done and we have a lot of boring jobs to do. For urgent tasks we can swamp them with mappers. For less urgent tasks it becomes more complex how do we deliver as much as we can that is usable to the client, in this case the NGOs, given the very limited resources we have. Mapping buildings is nice for the NGOs but given the choice between one village complete with all the buildings and twenty or thirty mapped in outlines complete with connecting roads which would you prefer and that's part of the reason many newer projects do not ask for buildings. The other part is ones that do often don't get completed. Projects 684-689 are ones that ask for buildings. Ebola related but its been some time since any mapping was done. If you don't mind doing a few buildings by the way 684 has plenty. It takes time to go over a tile so if more than one mapper works there we are burning up resources as each one scans the tile. If we simplify the tasks so that one less experienced mapper can go in and map the settlements and connecting roads then mark it done this is good. Validate it quickly and move on. When we add complications such as mines, schools, farmland, and ask mappers to tag the road according to the width then the less experienced mappers feel less confident about marking something done. If you can drive a 4X4 down it its a track, well yes but you'd be amazed where I can drive a 4X4 and some hazards for a 4X4 are not visible from a satellite image. At that point we are probably spending more people time going over the same tile than we could be and the tasks are still not being marked done. On 917 by the way I typically add in anything missing when validating so that can be a dozen settlements etc so just mark it done when you think its more or less complete and I'll sort it out but you need to know the validators on your project before you can tackle tiles this way. Oh you'll probably get a message saying the little round things in clusters are huts in settlements by the way. So my comments on validation are aimed not so much at the urgent tasks where we can pull a rabbit out of a hat but more at how can we get more maps for the clients out the existing mappers and how do we keep the mappers we do have motivated? Does that make sense? Thanks John On 27 March 2015 at 02:34, Esther Zurcher zh...@att.net wrote: Hello, I read your message about validating, I am new, I have digitized a lot of buildings for Malawi, and the Vanatu. I thought I should just jump in, work as completely as possible and then leave it to be validated. I don't feel confident enough to say its done. Is that the wrong way to go about, I don't want to generate a backlog for anyone. Thanks Keith ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
[HOT] Gentle grump
Just for the heck of it I ran JOSM validation on a tile I was mapping before touching it. It turned up duplicate buildings, crossed buildings, lots of highways separated by a few inches etc. Do we need an idiot guide? A sort of this is how to provide the maximum benefit for the least effort. Mine would probably run along the lines of for Africa the convention is only the following values of highways are used for minor highways: path, track, unclassified, use highway=road if you are uncertain. Someone will probably have tagged the secondary and primary highways. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dsecondary If possible use JOSM especially for buildings. Please map buildings as building=yes do not assume it is a house. People use maps to get from one place to another, if the highways are joined up then routing software such as comes as part of OSMAND can be used. Look for highways around settlements that connect to other settlements. Crtlarrow in JOSM will navigate vertically or horizontally making scanning easier. I assume that most of these errors have crept in because JOSM validation was not used. I suspect that the immediate feedback from JOSM might assist our less skilled mappers to improve their skills. Cheerio John ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] project/917#task/61
If you do a JOSM search for building=yes there appear to be two but I think it needs more specific knowledge. I've validated it as I think its fine but if someone comes along with a different approach it can be unvalidated. Cheerio John On 4 March 2015 at 15:36, Blake Girardot bgirar...@gmail.com wrote: Hi John, I don't see any unmapped buildings. There was one hut that I mapped. I suspect all those bare spots in the fields are just some artifact of how they are farmed, it didn't look to me like there were buildings in there. I tend to agree there are probably paths all along those fields. Someone with more specific knowledge of farming in coastal water areas like that can enlighten us I am sure. https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/9.84993/-13.81084 Cheers, Blake On 3/4/2015 8:49 PM, john whelan wrote: There appear to be fields with buildings in the middle. I strongly suspect the fields have paths round the outside but I'm not sure. Could some one take a look please and if they are how should they be mapped? Thanks John ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] project/917#task/61
Sounds good to me. Thanks John On 4 March 2015 at 16:07, Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr wrote: John, I found two areas with one or two buildings that were not mapped. For the rest, as Blake said, these seem to be just some artifact. But we should understand what are the objectives of such mapping. The international organizations are helping to rebuild the health system and assure better sanitation conditions. With all the health ressources allocated to the Ebola outbreak, a lot of other sickness were not adressed. The objective of the mapping is to help MSF planning their visit in the area, to assure that basic preventions are maintained and support their basic sanitation needs. Villages / hamlets and roads connecting to these settlements are the priority of the mapping. If we miss some more isolated housings, I dont think that this is really a problem. The same with all the paths in the farms. regard Pierre -- *De :* Blake Girardot bgirar...@gmail.com *À :* john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com; hot@openstreetmap.org hot@openstreetmap.org *Envoyé le :* Mercredi 4 mars 2015 15h36 *Objet :* Re: [HOT] project/917#task/61 Hi John, I don't see any unmapped buildings. There was one hut that I mapped. I suspect all those bare spots in the fields are just some artifact of how they are farmed, it didn't look to me like there were buildings in there. I tend to agree there are probably paths all along those fields. Someone with more specific knowledge of farming in coastal water areas like that can enlighten us I am sure. https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/9.84993/-13.81084 Cheers, Blake On 3/4/2015 8:49 PM, john whelan wrote: There appear to be fields with buildings in the middle. I strongly suspect the fields have paths round the outside but I'm not sure. Could some one take a look please and if they are how should they be mapped? Thanks John ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] H2OpenMap
This is personal view, from the existing mapping I've been doing the first question I would ask is what is the data quality like for the data you wish to import. A lot of what I've seen is poor quality. Does the area you're interested in have decent satellite imagery? See if you can find it on the OSM map first,that should give you the coordinates. After that it might be more useful if you have contacts on the ground to get them to tag the hospitals etc. on the existing OSM map. OSMAND on a smart phone works well but you will need an internet connection to upload the new tags, the tagging can be done off line. Walking papers are often used as they are a lower cost solution. Cheerio John On 22 February 2015 at 14:34, Francesco Giunta giunta.france...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone, I'm Francesco, a volunteer of a small NGO based in Italy that work in west Africa (www.rasmataonlus.org). In 2015 our goal is to make an OSM based map of water wells in the region of our project and after that, drill one water well. I would like to do: - search Open Data useful in web (Existing water wells, healt structures, schools, ...) from different sources as institutional web sites NGO web sites etc. - put those data in OSM - generate a leaflet map of this selected Data and make some useful visualization - make a ground mapping campaign of our project region following OSM/HOT taxonomy - correct and improver the map of the area object of the project - share work flow method hoping some other NGO will do it in another area and others after... until having a useful map of water wells (and other useful markers as hospitals, etc.) I'm not geographer and my computer/coding skill is very very elementary. I think is a good idea to share my project with HOT community and any info it will be a great help. Thank you for your time, Francesco Francesco Giunta giunta.france...@gmail.com www.francescogiunta.com www.rasmataonlus.org skype: giunta.francesco cell: +39 339 3793 821 * Questo messaggio viene spedito in via confidenziale solo al destinatario. Potrebbe contenere informazioni legalmente privilegiate. I contenuti devono essere rivelati solo al destinatario. Qualunque destinatario non autorizzato viene pregato di rispettare questa confidenzialità e di avvisare immediatamente il mittente dell'errore di trasmissione. Pensate al nostro pianeta prima di stampare questa mail. Grazie. This message is sent in confidence for the addressee only. It may contain legally privileged information. The contents are not to be disclosed to anyone other than the addressee. Unauthorised recipients are requested to preserve this confidentiality and to advise the sender immediately of any error in transmission. Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] validating tiles
But on the other hand we have some mappers whom I'm confident their tiles will contain only very minor errors, and given the large number of projects that could do with mapping I'm not sure that spending time validating these is the best use of our very limited resources. If we are going to spend time validating then perhaps we should seriously think of only taking on new projects when we have the capacity to finish them within say a year. I have noticed that validating the tile in JOSM with the validate button has identified a number of issues. I've also noticed that validating quickly on a project seems to help the project roll along the feedback both helps correct mappers, they do less errors in future and keeps them motivated. The other issue is I've seen some validations when tiles are rejected for minor reasons such as the classification of a highway as a track rather than unclassified or a path was missed that led from nowhere to nowhere. These sort of validations tend not to inspire. Cheerio John On 25 March 2015 at 05:55, Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr wrote: We have already made similar propositions a few times on the Github isssues service for the Tasking manager. See the recent discussion. https://github.com/hotosm/osm-tasking-manager2/issues/545 Pierre -- *De :* Denis Carriere carriere.de...@gmail.com *À :* Daniel Specht danspe...@gmail.com *Cc :* hot@openstreetmap.org *Envoyé le :* Mercredi 25 mars 2015 0h55 *Objet :* Re: [HOT] validating tiles Very good points you brought up Dan. I feel very strongly about the #2 point about adding a statistic for validators, it does take effort to browse the tiles properly. I sometimes end up adding a few missing buildings or landuse areas if they are only a few minor missing features. Hopefully those points can be looked into developed in the near future for the Tasking Manager. On Mar 24, 2015 9:53 PM, Daniel Specht danspe...@gmail.com wrote: Lots of projects are mapped quickly, but validated slowly. This could be because (A) beginners don't feel qualified to pass judgement (B) people don't like to pass judgement (C) doing original work is more fun than reviewing someone else's work. I have a couple suggestions for encouraging validation. 1. Include instructions for validation on the instructions tab. Because the instructions tab only has mapping instructions, readers may think that validation is for someone else to do. 2. Include validation statistics on the stats tab. Because the stats tab only has statistics for tiles completed, mappers may think that validating tiles is not essential. Also, these statistics give the mapper, but not the validator, a psychological reward. I've been validating a lot of tiles -- sometimes I seem to be doing most of the validations on a project -- and even though seeing the number by your name increment isn't the biggest thrill in the world, I have to admit that I miss it.. -- Dan ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] image server
Are we talking Bing or something else? Thanks John On 19 April 2015 at 01:39, Daniel Specht danspe...@gmail.com wrote: There seems to be a problem with the image server. It serves images to JOSM at the current zoom level. The user can zoom in or out, but only to a limited extent. -- Dan ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] URGENT: Need OSMand files for Nepal
OSMAND is available for blackberry and i understand apple devices these days. The .obf format files are much smaller than .osm files would be. Cheerio John On 26 April 2015 at 19:50, Dion Houston dionhous...@gmail.com wrote: Quick question - is this data available in anything other than OBF? I'm in the U.S. Army, and I'm trying to find the best source of information on what's happening out there. Seems like this is a great resource, but no android devices. We're possibly sending people out, so trying to get a good feel on preparing them. Thanks in advance. I'm pretty comfortable with data conversions, but OBF appears to be very specific, and haven't seen any conversions tools from this format. I use Google Earth at work and GE/QGIS at home, so KML or OSM would be great... Thanks, Dion On Sun, Apr 26, 2015 at 12:13 PM, Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr wrote: Great and you know the price. Smiles plus good pictures :) Pierre -- *De :* Dale Kunce dale.ku...@gmail.com *À :* Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr; Milo van der Linden m...@dogodigi.net; Andrew Buck andrew.r.b...@gmail.com *Cc :* hot hot@openstreetmap.org *Envoyé le :* Dimanche 26 avril 2015 18h12 *Objet :* Re: [HOT] URGENT: Need OSMand files for Nepal Got it on the tablet and will be going on others in the coming days. We are deploying a bunch of folks. On Sun, Apr 26, 2015 at 5:39 PM Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr wrote: Thanks Milo. We will update the wiki page http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/2015_Nepal_earthquake once ready. Pierre -- *De :* Milo van der Linden m...@dogodigi.net *À :* Andrew Buck andrew.r.b...@gmail.com *Cc :* Dale Kunce dale.ku...@gmail.com; Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr; hot hot@openstreetmap.org *Envoyé le :* Dimanche 26 avril 2015 17h31 *Objet :* Re: [HOT] URGENT: Need OSMand files for Nepal No need to. It is a community effort and all I can think about are the poor souls in Nepal. I set up the batch process; http://mapcache.org/downloads/osmand/Nepal_special_2.obf will now be regenerated every 30 minutes too. Good luck to all the boots on the ground! 2015-04-26 23:11 GMT+02:00 Andrew Buck andrew.r.b...@gmail.com: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Nice work Milo. If HOT had an award for doing good work, you would be a candidate to receive it. :) - -AndrewBuck On 04/26/2015 03:54 PM, Milo van der Linden wrote: The file is available at http://mapcache.org/downloads/osmand/Nepal_special_2.obf The OBF was generated by Frederik, which I downloaded and used to create the obf. Thanks Frederik! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJVPVSTAAoJEK7RwIfxHSXbyIIQAI3JH90BubK/Fs1SUvU0WD0E TuzWfRzYFioxmCwzGhC69RC90a0sCEzQcwzxeUvIj4pNGIMcf762ocmGXYc+6+Ep 5drMajcmaWvRnVdTZH6M8x8ZXYNsHd9FPl6Ck1PygVG4AQ43YNdDyZmFkljKaGAh 5qyjLblhoY0ivVIPZZKb9s7JA4s7EhRHtApP0kd99Ajh2BnVUZaSnOwacOUpbMl+ AsJ+CHhSvJrf4WPgncQfFrXZFNcDJJVdOHGCaqN6P4p4uzWAaCsV8RUNS9UVZNw0 a6O2dFT1IZ3K4TaaygbparKLEVzKXTvRF4jnctCUn4+CucWaLaJ9tG0hwoIqp3ob RJc++SmRWCziqVDlitWnlFXcw2Qz2jA2JH3xqAHiL++nMJe3lO+WPrj8EgKzeYbd rSpS6s3xlXGFfSgvUhnrWiI37Yr3KyeSN2fK/hkLZmYM4eCwuX9bJxQLoCr/FvgV DNDUIopTIfS2Za2tqhHsuqlaAwiPXtSBkTALAqWEKLi8rBSAavn0IX+GaQWm/dL8 tQmFY+mDXK2FyWk1Gj8BECSeTWgo2sJWYmaaWmlN1UbfijVp7Mb/Y6b1MNI0asq6 Bfk6k0QqVtDKg9meD7O6OYvQQNvkL1aMUu8Jeombe9cZSaePomk5RHmPB6NpXsHw 6Yrjzm25EWlUc/aajffl =jaoC -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- [image: http://www.dogodigi.net] http://www.dogodigi.net/ *Milo van der Linden* web: dogodigi http://www.dogodigi.net/ tel: +31-6-16598808 ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] AAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRGH!
On the wiki page it refers to *JOSM Style 'HOT-OSM-Validation'* does this refer to the HDM style? Thanks John On 28 April 2015 at 06:44, Severin Menard severin.men...@gmail.com wrote: NIck and I made this wikipage about it: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Tasking_Manager/Validating_data I should actually update it a bit. In CAR for exemple, everytime a job and task validation is done (the latter may not be finished, depending on the motivation of mappers), I unpublish the job, download the whole area and make a first quick check to identify areas where tasks were not correctly done. If it took a long time to fix, I unvalidate these tasks and republish the job. Once everything is quite OK, I repeat the same process and - clean everything with the validator - add mssing objects - improve the data consistency (especially the road network) - improve the tag consistency (again, especially the road network, according to the agreed scheme) Sincerely, Severin On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 10:16 AM, Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr wrote: Like we started yesterday, we need various ways to validate the data. Not only via the Task Manager. Yes, global validation are a good way to do it. We started to do for roads. If you think of other ways to validate, please do. I also asked previously for monitoring tools to better follow such huge activations. After this activation, we should make an evaluation and assure we develop appropriate tools to support such activations. Pierre -- *De :* Severin Menard severin.men...@gmail.com *À :* hot@openstreetmap.org hot@openstreetmap.org *Envoyé le :* Mardi 28 avril 2015 6h04 *Objet :* Re: [HOT] AAGH! Hi, We could also make slightly evolve the Tasking Manager and create an experienced mapper privileges status who would be required to have access to the validate/unvalidate steps and can promote any other mapper to this status, because she/he knowsher/him and trust her/his skills. The rest of the mappers (supposedly beginners) could map only the non validated task (as they should supposedly do). Thoughts? Sincerely, Severin On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 9:47 AM, Chia-liang Kao cl...@clkao.org wrote: Fellow mappers, Maintaining quality with large number of inexperienced mappers is a critical issue. However I think that open and inclusiveness is what makes OSM and HOT great, and we should work on accommodating newbies with better community support or technical improvement to make tools more fool-proof, and figure out under what circumstance we wish to tell people to refrain from contributing. Heather already started drafting training support. When we circulate the tasks to the public, we make sure there's localized tutorial and a link to local community's group for newbies to find help. People also wanted to create screencast for specific tasks. As a lot of people get to know HOT/OSM for the first time during disasters, it might be also helpful if we can draft an HOT FAQ (I actually couldn't find one, please enlighten me if there's already one) for some common critics, so people won't be scared away because they are to participate in a project others criticize: - Are the maps actually being used? - If this is used in critical mission, what happens when it's wrong or incomplete? - What's the point for tracing from pre-disaster imagery? Personally I am awkwardly glad that Naysayers outside our community switched from No one is going to use your stuff, you shouldn't do it to People's life are at stake because the maps are in actual use, you shouldn't do it. But in any case we do need to tackle the issue seriously to make HOT even more awesome. Best, clkao On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 1:20 PM Pete Masters pedrito1...@googlemail.com wrote: This is one of the main things I want to discuss with people at the HOT Summit this week and a central issue for Missing Maps. If it is of interest to any of you, please find me in DC or drop me a line... Pete On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 5:33 AM, Heather Leson heatherle...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks everyone. Pierre, your story about new people improving is great. I know many of us started during an emergency. For our dear friend and fellow mapper, Ralph. Thank you. I know I was firm last night, but waking this morning (Doha) I really think you are right that we need to improve new mapper onboarding during emergencies. So, I started another email chain about training help. Step by step, heather Heather Leson heatherle...@gmail.com Twitter: HeatherLeson Blog: textontechs.com On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 2:37 AM, Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr wrote: Andrew This remembers such experiences for the Ebola outbreak. With a long Activation, we saw contributors that did improve rapidly and did a great job. They were in the top list of contributors. This is social gathering, and we have to take care to
[HOT] Slow time - adding addresses to all the buildings
It's a commercial idea by what3words but it might add value. What he did was to divide the world up into 3m-by-3m squares, and assign each a unique combination of three words. Could we come up with an open data equivalent of a postcode? http://www.bbc.com/news/business-32444811 Cheerio John ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Question just to be sure.. Residential landuse areas should have at least 20 buildings?
I have been routinely mapping groups of say half a dozen huts in West Africa as landuse=residential and its the first time I've seen a minimum number of twenty buildings. Cheerio John On 2 May 2015 at 16:38, Tom McDonald tmcd...@gmail.com wrote: I encountered a tile with many small (2 or 3 houses) areas in the hills of Nepal marked as landuse=Residential. It is my understanding that this tag should be used only for true Settlements of 20 or more houses? I read somewhere that counting the number of Residential areas can be used as a rough guide to population. This only works if they are all about same size. The validation instructions for my task: #1018 - Nepal Earthquake, 2015, detailed mapping 2nd pass, states residential/settlement areas - validate if all settlements (a cluster of 20 or so houses) are enclosed with landuse=residential polygon/enclosed way. Is it correct for me to remove the landuse tag for these tiny groups of houses? Tom ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Newbie: Maps closer than 500 ft are blurry
Try a different tile, some imagery is better than others. Cheerio John On 2 May 2015 at 17:19, Suzan Reed su...@suzanreed.com wrote: Can't get images closer than 500 ft using BING (totally pixelated) or MapBox, the only two options that show images. Someone with experience, please help so I can continue. (Using iD Editor on an old Mac that can't load JOSM.) ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] How to locate places without addresses? Open location code
what3words is nice but is commercial. I was hoping for some sort of open data prem code postcode idea. UK prem code is the house number so a prem code followed by the postcode is a unique address. Example 10pr82az is 10 weld road southport pr8 2az. Cheerio John On 2 May 2015 at 17:42, Mark Iliffe m...@markiliffe.co.uk wrote: Hi Claire, Have you had a look at what3words: http://what3words.com? It's three words and is multi lingual, quite a lot more usable than genetic codes. In Tanzania my team and I have been looking at using them (through pilots) for locating/identifying water points and will scale them across a few regions over the next year. Happy to chat more if you would like. Best, Mark On 2 May 2015, at 21:45, Claire Halleux claire.hall...@hotosm.org wrote: Ever heard of this? A G*solution for locating places accurately where addresses are not obvious: http://google-opensource.blogspot.be/2015/04/open-location-code-addresses-for.html Still, it doesn't seem to me more intuitive than coordinate systems. Ex: I am currently in 87C4VXW3+HG8. There are ways to shorten it, but I doubt that those would be applicable in places that would actually need this kind of tool. However, would you have any experience on this or other ways to share regarding using non standard geographic coordinates system for locating places? Claire Claire Halleux +243 99 256 9980 (Kinshasa, DRC) Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team http://www.hotosm.org/ http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/2014_DRC_Ebola_Response ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] URGENT Post-disaster Job for east of Kathmandu - For experienced mappers
Probably sounds daft but do you have a sample of what to look for? Thanks John On 3 May 2015 at 20:50, Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr wrote: We are glad to announce that the imagery provider where able to provide us today imagery for east of Kathmandu. We added this new task to assess the house conditions and informal camps after the earthbreak. tasks.hotosm.org/project/1030 Note that this job is urgent after 9 days without an assessments of these villages. Thanks for your support. Pierre ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] HELP - JOSM on MacbookPro OS 10.6
Look on the JOSM home page about Mcss and Java (7?) you may need to use an earlier version of both. Cheerio John On 30 April 2015 at 20:11, Suzan Reed su...@suzanreed.com wrote: I am having difficulties getting JOSM to install and launch on a MacBookPro running 10.6.8. Help? ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Remote area mapping, clouds, six questions
small buildings building=yes, let some on the ground say its a house etc. If a building is not a triangle then change it to a rectangle. JOSM building tool is fast and very easy to use. Some projects want all buildings, some want residential areas and highways, all buildings are nice but there is a lot of ground to cover so read the instructions first, if you can get away with residential areas rather than buildings according to the instructions go for the residential areas and get more ground mapped in the same time. Cheerio John On 30 April 2015 at 19:39, Suzan Reed su...@suzanreed.com wrote: ONE Small structures/houses In remote areas, lightly populated, it's difficult to see if a small structure is a house or something else. I am labeling them all house. Is this correct? People live in tiny places in Nepal, less that 25' square. They are hard to discern. If it looks like a building, I mark it as a house. Is this good? TWO Geologic structures It is difficult to tell geologic structures from houses in some cases. I look to see if there are similar structures in the landscape, if there are fields or agriculture, then mark it as a house as I have been erring on the side of marking houses and having people recognized as being there than not. I want everyone on the map. This may mean I've made mistakes and it's a huge boulder with a shadow. Comments? THREE Changing other's work Also, some of my colleagues have marked houses with triangles, not rectangles. Can I correct these? FOUR Exact building shape Is the shape of the building important? It's often difficult to tell if it's part of the house or an outbuilding or a shed near the house. Knowing there are people living there seems more important, but if the actual shape is important, I will go back and redo my work. FIVE Residential vs. all houses marked Many remote villages are simply marked with a polygon Residential Area. Should I add the structures to these areas? SIX Up to date BING images? Also, how recent are the Bing images? In remote areas, much could have been lost to landslides. I also come across areas with clouds. I can go back and map these if the images are refreshed. ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] HELP - JOSM on MacbookPro OS 10.6
Dig on the JOSM page there is a way to run java 6 and a specific earlier version of JOSM, it is known about and it is documented. Cheerio John On 30 April 2015 at 23:59, Suzan Reed su...@suzanreed.com wrote: Thank you everyone. I can't run Java 7 on 10.6.8, so no JOSM for me. Really disappointing. Suzan On Apr 30, 2015, at 7:31 PM, Emir Hartato wrote: Hey Suzan, Any specific error message that you got when you launch JOSM? You might need to update your Java manually since Apple disabled automatic update for Java. So I assume you still stuck at version 6. Read more here: https://www.java.com/en/download/faq/java_mac.xml and there's a link to download the newer version. Good luck! On 1 May 2015 at 12:11, Suzan Reed su...@suzanreed.com wrote: I am having difficulties getting JOSM to install and launch on a MacBookPro running 10.6.8. Help? ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Google Chrome Browser
JOSM is stand alone and doesn't use a browser. However HOT task web page uses a JOSM plugin for remote control which might be affected. Cheerio John On 2 May 2015 at 19:08, AYTOUN RALPH ralph.ayt...@ntlworld.com wrote: I thought it might be useful to share this. I do not yet know how it will fully affect JOSM. I received this notification We have detected you are using Google Chrome and might be unable to use the Java plugin from this browser. Starting with Version 42 (released April 2015) Chrome has disabled the standard way in which browsers support plugins Hope it does not impact too much on Chrome users. ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Google Chrome users
On investigation JOSM appears to be remote controlled by HOT project tasks in Chrome whether or not NPAPI is enabled or not. Cheerio John On 2 May 2015 at 20:22, Pierre GIRAUD pierre.gir...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry if it's a stupid question but, when are the java plugins required (in the context of HOT)? I don't think using the tasking manager requires to have Chrome java plugins enabled. So, I'm just curious. Pierre On Sat, May 2, 2015 at 7:55 PM, AYTOUN RALPH ralph.ayt...@ntlworld.com wrote: After having investigated the Java plugin situation with Google Chrome I have found there is a way to enable the NPAPI that has been disabled. 1. Open your Chrome web browser. 2. In the URL panel at the top type in chrome://flags/#enable-npapi 3. Click the Enable link for Enable NPAPI. 4. At the bottom of the page click the Relaunch button that has now appeared. Task completed and Chrome should now support Java plugins. ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot -- - | Pierre GIRAUD - ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Missing Maps Training Video Suggestions
I don't think it's reasonable to expect new mappers to be able to take quick start training and jump into contributing, at least for those who have not mapped before. If we keep the tasks we ask them to do simple then I think its doable. Mapping rectangular buildings is fairly simple and many projects have lots and lots of them. Cheerio John On 7 May 2015 at 11:06, Steve Bower sbo...@gmavt.net wrote: A few thoughts on the training materials, from a 2-week OSM user and long-time GIS user: I have not yet found the single, systematically organized portal for access to all training materials events, This would be great to have, and other training references could point back to it. The closest I have found is the HOT Training working group, current sources and materials: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Team/Working_groups/Training#Current_Sources_.26_Materials But, for example, that page does not point to How to get started contributing to a HOT task: https://gist.github.com/meetar/b9929dfec129d1d7f5f2 So yes, Suzan, I think organization and production of comprehensive training material is a great idea - thank you. I think getting the top-down organization right is key. It seems this would be guided by the HOT Training working group (is there a general OSM training working group?). Existing training materials on how to use OSM and the editors is fairly comprehensive, but somewhat scattered. Multiple sources overlap in the material they cover. An OSM/HOT training portal would help identify gaps and guide where new material (including new videos) is needed. Training on how to interpret features from imagery is minimal. This could really be expanded, with examples of special cases, especially for poor-quality imagery where interpretation is difficult. Interpretation issues seem to dominate a lot of quality concerns and newbie questions. I don't think it's reasonable to expect new mappers to be able to take quick start training and jump into contributing, at least for those who have not mapped before. For HOT response in particular, I think the expectation should be that mappers should expect to invest at least a day of on-line training before starting to contribute. Yes, that would turn away some mappers, but with the benefit of fewer quality issues. Yes, you can learn to trace buildings in far less time, but many mappers soon confront more complex tasks and a better training foundation would serve them well. (My opinion on this may evolve...) Cheers, Steve On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 5:24 AM, Suzan Reed su...@suzanreed.com wrote: Althio and all. I don't understand the shared document format, and don't find it an easy place to express these views, nor do I understand where I could add to it in a constructive way. That's why I expressed my thoughts here, so that someone who understands the shared document format could incorporate these thoughts if they are useful. I'm sure Im not the only newbie who has the same exact feelings and thoughts. We all want to do a good job, we all want concise, well done training that gets us going quickly, we all want to contribute to a healthy, successful project that helps people. I hope leadership can find people and resources to make good training available. So far, like Spring, I'm a bit confused. Are my hours of work going to do any good for the people who live in the hundreds of houses I've mapped? I hope so. Fingers crossed. All that said, as a designer and writer expert in technical documenting, I would be happy to help with the production of a comprehensive set of training tools. Small group, hopefully? I'm also adept at working in a global environment, cross culturally. Use me if you wish. Suzan On May 7, 2015, at 12:44 AM, althio wrote: Suzan, As you are interested to help with these 1-min video: please join the shared document, read it and update it. There's a shared doc here, where we're collecting ideas for the individual modules. Please feel free to add your thoughts and, even better, to encourage newbies to identify where there are most needs for training materials... https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Mo82sCLLnP30SsgRO1VIpGxezWcQhAQ_HxEpCEPh89o/edit?usp=sharing Your other comments (about current training) are certainly valid but this is not the best thread for that. Cheers, - althio On 7 May 2015 at 09:30, Suzan Reed su...@suzanreed.com wrote: Training My major problem with the current training, it's long, boring, and slow. A Quick Start Guide would be perfect for someone like me. A video with this information would be great. I could not go through the training because it went too slow, so I missed some information, but found the process for someone like me who works in Photoshop pretty easy and intuitive, but I'm not a usual newbie. An orientation video for the area being mapped. I don't think many mappers know what buildings in
Re: [HOT] JOSM people validating / mapping in Nepal, please run JOSM's validator before finishing a tile
There are a number of issues and trade offs. First JOSM actually does do validation but many new mappers use id which apparently does not. If you look at the numbers about half of the mappers are new mappers to OSM on this project so we get a great deal of mapping from them. Some know very little about computers, some have PhDs in computerized mapping. Within OSM there are guidelines but nothing stronger on tags. There is a feature page which has recommended tags but that is all they are. HOT attempts to use more standardized tags. Currently we put no restriction on what mappers can map. It might be sensible to ask new mappers at maperthons to restrict themselves to a subset such as buildings using JOSM building tool. I think there is thought being spent at the moment on how to improve matters, better training videos, what is the best way to make use of the resources available etc. It is worth mentioning that the HOT maps are still the best available in many circumstances. Cheerio John On 7 May 2015 at 03:57, Springfield Harrison stellar...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Dave, This is amazing to see the vast number of invalid tags. This really calls into question the integrity of the database. Do you have much luck getting people to run the validator? I am baffled that the data validation does not take place right at the data entry stage. This is very common in database applications. All the critical fields have validation rules so that the operator can neither skip the critical fields nor enter data that is not applicable to that field. If JOSM, complex as it is, is lacking input data validation, that is a serious failing, in my opinion. For this type of mission, complete and accurate data is critical. You do not have the luxury of time hoping that people will bother with a post entry validation process. I see a discussion about how to label seasonal/intermittent streams but there is obviously no standardized tag for this. How can this be? Who will know that two separate queries will need to be run to discover all intermittent or seasonal streams? Data integrity is fundamental to any GIS/database project, but especially for one supporting a real-time emergency. Thanks, Cheers . . . . . . . . Spring At 06-05-2015 14:06 Wednesday, Dave Corley wrote: This is especially applicable for the second pass tasks that are going on right now but should be considered for anyone doing any Nepal tasks using JOSM. When you are mapping / validating a tile, please run the validator before you mark the tile as complete. I can promise you, you will find things to fix that will improve the data. Here's a OSMI link showing tagging issues only in the Nepal region http://url.ie/yzu8 There are a lot! There will be many other issues (unconnected ways, unclosed ways etc etc) that are quite quick and easy to fix so please take the extra few mins at the end of a tile to improve pre-existing data. Thanks, Dave aka DaCor ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Live, interactive video training for mapping available
Microsoft have a free program called Movie Maker which would enable you to cull the first 26 mins or so. Cheerio John On 7 May 2015 at 09:13, Blake Girardot bgirar...@gmail.com wrote: I apologize for the blinking video. I will get that minimized for the next one I hope. Thank you for helping with this first try at this Phil. And please note, Phil saved me from making a pretty bad mistake about 1/2 way through in my mapping, thank you again for that Phil. Proof again that we all learn from each other no matter how experienced we might be, and never feel shy about speaking up and asking if you wonder something. cheers, Blake On 5/7/2015 2:59 PM, Phil Allford wrote: Here's the link to the recorded video on tube https://youtu.be/GOfTJ3QDQB4 . Blake provided a lot of great tips in this demonstration of editing in JOSM for new users and I found myself going back to it again today. You can skip the first 29 seconds of to get to the demonstration. You'll want to make sure you have JOSM expert mode turned on to take advantage of some of the tricks. - Phil On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 2:11 PM, Blake Girardot bgirar...@gmail.com mailto:bgirar...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, So I think I can do a Google hangout to do some mapping training. I think I have all the issues worked out. It might not be ideal but if anyone wants to give it a try just let me know. I'd like to start with an introduction to JOSM, but really I am glad to do any mapping help/training. If you are interested please let me know. Timing is always an issue, but I'll be available for the next 2 hours (19:00 UTC - 21:00 UTC) in this hangout: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYdxp5fYUgPxvO6BqyfsbVZKzIy016dd0Hc_Ud4nOktaG0uqlg Come, join, ask questions, get answers (maybe ;) I will also schedule something in the near future. Cheers, Blake ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org mailto:HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Should Newbies (Me) keep mapping houses and easy features?
For the building_tool press escape if it plays up. Generally its OK but if its if the static levels are high I sometimes find a moist or damp cloth helps wiped across the pad. ie hardware issue it doesn't seem to play up with an external mouse. Cheerio John On 5 May 2015 at 18:32, laura brittain l.n.britt...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you Steve, And another question for anyone: Does anyone know how to make the JOSM building tools plug-in behave? It works for awhile and then automatically starts making rectangles with only two clicks. And not in the right directions. I can't find any trouble shooting online for this plug in, even after reading the wiki for it. Also, the full tags mentioned by everyone aren't presets in JOSM or ID editor, are they? Do you enter them manually? Is there a way to script this in the online editor? Charlotte tried to help me but it's over my head. I'm mainly using ID editor. Thanks a lot. ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Technical question can JAVA be run from a USB stick?
Well its certainly documented on the JOSM site. I need to play to see where the plugins go. Thanks John On 10 May 2015 at 13:31, Nick Allen nick.allen...@gmail.com wrote: John, See http://portableapps.com/ It's free opensource. I haven't tried it, but it is listed as being able to deal with JAVA JOSM. Nick On 10/05/15 17:10, john whelan wrote: I know JOSM can be and if it could then it could address the concern about having to install software on the machine besides having it available with the right plugins. Thanks John ___ HOT mailing listHOT@openstreetmap.orghttps://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot -- Nick Volunteer 'Tallguy' for https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Team http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Tallguy ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Tracing tagged buildings
John, that’s worrisome. Is it because buildings are oddly shaped or people are just being sloppy? I repeatedly see an area of buildings labeled building=yes rather than landuse=residential, typically square buildings are mapped with four nodes but an odd shape and typically larger than the building which is why I'm keen to see the JOSM building tool being used more. I also look out for area=yes, are they buildings? I've corrected several hundred to building=yes. Mapping an area landuse=residential tightly takes more time than a quick looser area say 25% larger but that's more an issue of how much resources we have available and how many projects we have in the list. Cheerio John On 4 May 2015 at 13:39, Robert Banick rban...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Klaus, Quick thoughts: 1) Wow, good catch on the wiki. I think what it means though is that nodes are acceptable *only* if we can’t see the outline. Since we can with our imagery we should draw outlines. In a case where we only had GPS points then maybe yes it would make sense to tag nodes as an interim step. 2) Buildings are so tricky because cultural construction practices change and with them the best mapping approach. I’m sure some of our top mappers could write whole books on the topic. It’s tough to define but clearly more needs to be said about not using nodes. 3) The Building Tools plugin is amazing, glad you found it. My favourite JOSM extension by far. John, that’s worrisome. Is it because buildings are oddly shaped or people are just being sloppy? Cheers, Robert — Sent from Mailbox https://www.dropbox.com/mailbox On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 5:06 PM, Klaus Hartl k...@gmx.de wrote: Hello Robert, thank you for your response! Regarding your second remark, which is quite the unemotional and pragmatic evaluation of my notes that I was hoping to receive, I see that it makes sense to change my workflow. I won’t map any further buildings as nodes then. Since other mappers could face the very same decisions, please let me point out how I came to my odd decision to map buildings as nodes: Whether or not we call a mapper experienced, I don’t see experience as to know tagging rules by heart. Since these could change over the years, just like visualization rules do, it does matter how those rules are recapitulated in case of need. In my case, like I did, I read the *schema specification for the key building*[1], and nothing more since attributing *a node is not denoted invalid* there*:* *Note about using this tag on nodes : although buildings are better represented with their footprints (a closed way or a multipolygon relation), OSM is working by iteration and some areas in the world don't have good aerial imagery or public datasets offering building footprints. Therefore, buildings on nodes should be tolerated until better sources are available.* And that’s where I see the odd and thus a risk of this (anti)pattern to repeat. Maybe we could adjust or refine either the specs or our judgement on applying these specs in order to arrange this procedure more even. Is there any opinion on that? Cheers *Klaus / k127* p.s.: I just took a look at the *Building Tools* Plugin for JOSM[2], which kind of supersedes my two-pass contribution approach by providing a neat two-and-a-half-click action for creating a perfect, orthogonal building shape. *References:* [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:building [2] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JOSM/Plugins/BuildingsTools Am 04.05.2015 um 14:11 schrieb Robert Banick rban...@gmail.com: Hi Klaus, *First of all,* thanks for providing such a measured response to a not very measured message. I’m sorry you got such a rude message in the first place and want to assure you that it doesn’t reflect HOT’s attitude, both stated by the organization and unstated within the community, towards errors by new contributors. Everyone has to start somewhere and errors are inevitable. *Secondly*, I do have to agree with the point of the message. The fact is your iterative work process doesn’t fit with the contribution-validation process HOT has set up to make it easy for everyone to work together. There’s no graceful way in the technical tools or HOT’s workflow to reflect that buildings-as-nodes are a transitional step by you towards perfect data. Thus it creates the potential for others to waste time “correcting” what seems like a mistake. I can understand how this system would work really well when you’re managing a task or area by yourself. But HOT tasks are done with others and the system is designed so that we build on one another’s work. Also consider that no responding agencies are looking for buildings as nodes and hence your transitional data adds no value until entered as an area. *Finally*, a gentle reminder to experienced: if you encounter systematic errors from users, however seemingly basic or disastrous, please
[HOT] Validation tools
When I validate I may notice an area tagged as a building. Occasionally I'll search the entire tile for more buildings by the same user and normally I'll find three or four areas tagged as buildings. When I validate a project I try to validate tiles as soon or shortly after they are done and I've caught more than a few errors that way and gently nudged the mappers towards the accepted way of mapping. However the typical tile has fourteen or fifteen different mappers contributing not just the one who marked it done. However the really new inexperienced mappers don't mark a tile as done but these are the people I'd prefer to validate quickly to see they are mapping along the right lines. Any suggestions please on how to pick them out and check what they've done? Thanks John ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
[HOT] Technical question can JAVA be run from a USB stick?
I know JOSM can be and if it could then it could address the concern about having to install software on the machine besides having it available with the right plugins. Thanks John ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
[HOT] LookAtTheWorld
On project 1018#task/755 there is some odd mapping by this user in that they have combined more than one building within a building=yes. They haven't completed a tile and I don't seem to be able to find them in HOT users but they do exist in OSM users and it looks like they have made three changesets in their OSM life all seven days ago and all in Nepal. Suggestions on what to do? I have sent a note through OSM mapping but realistically it looks like a one time maperthon mapper in id, the buildings mapped are rather often rather larger than the image and I really don't feel like searching through them individually and correcting them. Thanks John ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Worried about task 1018
I think I'm moderately experienced in mapping. In West Africa I'm very comfortable validating, in Nepal I'm happy I know what a building looks like but paths, streams etc I'm not so comfortable with, there is a lot of distracting detail on the images. Do I validate and clean up the building and tag side? Or just add a few more buildings? Thoughts? Thanks John On 9 May 2015 at 08:27, Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr wrote: We have to adapt to an awesome contribution with this Nepal emergency. We need more people. At the same time, we need to adapt in various ways to crowdsourcing as we see various problems arizing. I also opened a ticket. This would be for the validators to prioritize validating first for the less experienced. A checkbox could let show only tiles selected by less experienced contributors. https://github.com/hotosm/osm-tasking-manager2/issues/599 regard Pierre -- *De :* Severin Menard severin.men...@gmail.com *À :* Extra Paul paulok...@hotmail.com *Cc :* hot@openstreetmap.org hot@openstreetmap.org *Envoyé le :* Samedi 9 mai 2015 7h49 *Objet :* Re: [HOT] Worried about task 1018 Hi all, I understand your worry Paul, and have the same experience of unvalidating tasks. I put clear comments for the people to know why. There is no offense I hope, everyone has been a beginner once and learning and improving is part of the motivation with OSM, IMHO. I just suggested this change in the asking Manager that should prevent in the future the fact that tiles are validated by beginners: https://github.com/hotosm/osm-tasking-manager2/issues/598, titled: Validate button only for mappers who clicked previously on Edit with JOSM. I also hope iD will have in the future not only a building mapping tool, but also (as mappers may not use the building tool) an automatic proposition to square or round the shape that has just been traced as soon as a building tag is chosen (GitHub issue: https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues/2624). The tools and the documentation apart, we also need to organize and exchange between us the people: who is interested in validation checking meaning also providing feedback or monitoring beginners? Basically you need to be a proficient user of JOSM and having a lot of edits (not less than with 4-5 zeros, I would say) It takes a bit of time but it is valuable and a nice way to interact. My hello to Suzan Reed who asked me directly for monitoring her tasks. We have a list http://tools.neis-one.org/tmp/20150425-20150505_Nepal_NewContributorsOSM.txt (thanks to Pascal Neis!) of the beginners from the start of the Activation, some are drive-bys (typically only 1 day of mapping, a few edits) and others more to super committed mappers. I have started a spreadsheet for those who would like to monitor these committed mappers. Sincerely, Severin On Sat, May 9, 2015 at 10:10 AM, Extra Paul paulok...@hotmail.com wrote: Dear openstreetmappers :) I'm quite worried about the quality of maps for task 1018. Many of mappers, obviously, did not check the instructions or even the tutorials. People want to help, and that's awesome, but maybe validation should be done my more experienced and meticulous mappers. I've seen mappers validating more that 10 areas in less than an hour, and those areas still contain many errors : clusters of buildings mapped as one, landuse=residential area used for clusters of nothing more than 1 or 2 buildings, many streams seen as footpath, many paths in the middle of nowhere... Maybe instructions should contain some images to show clearly what is expected, and explain that the purpose of this map is to count each individual buildings and have roads and paths connected to them so buildings can be reached by humanitarian teams. Currently, most of my time on 1018 is to check validated areas because half of those areas are not correctly mapped. Paul ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
[HOT] slow time mapper productivity
This is definitely slow time and not something to distract HOT at the moment. Mapping buildings is not my favourite occupation. I reward myself by breaking off and sending the odd email etc from time to time so the figures below are not head down hard mapping of buildings. However I noticed that in a one hour session in Nepal I mapped around six hundred buildings using JOSM building_tool including one or two odd shaped ones shiftJ thanks to Blake's video. If I look at the tiles I'm working on I see that half the mappers only map twenty buildings or less and there aren't that many mappers mapping over a hundred buildings in a tile. Does it matter? If we were paying mappers for their time then yes it would, we aren't but even so think how much more quickly we could complete projects with the same resources and we won't even talk about data quality issues. I understand that JOSM has acquired a reputation for being hard to teach and use by some but perhaps with suitable guidelines we can get a bit more productivity out of our mappers? Cheerio John ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Issue with new mapper invalidating my task
I generally leave the comment buildings done to avoid other building mappers picking it up and scanning through. Sometimes when I see a tile that looks as if all the buildings are done I'll scroll through with JOSM crtldown arrow map any buildings not done then comment it buildings done. Trouble is if someone splits the task you lose the comment. Cheerio John On 16 May 2015 at 08:37, Andrew Patterson andrew...@gmail.com wrote: Like John Whelan, I feel that although I have done some mapping, I am not sufficiently competent to map tracks, nor also to upload the new imagery for brownfield sites, and am therefore concentrating on buildings, and then leaving the tile for others to complete, in the hope that anyone who picks up on this tile give me some feedback on my input. However, this does create a later issue of looking for a Task area to do, without wasting a lot of time in searching through task areas that have been treated in the same way. It would be useful if there was some way to mark building completed task areas Andrew -- Andrew Patterson The information contained in this e-mail and any files transmitted with it is confidential and intended for the addressee only. ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
[HOT] Idle thought time drones
There is something mysterious called precision farming or basically flying a drone over a field then increasing crop yields based on the information obtained. Essentially mapping but mapping fertilizer deficiencies etc. It's not HOT mapping in the conventional sense but if someone could manage to open source software and create a low cost drone with sensors it could potentially generate wealth in the areas we are trying to help recover. Could one of the Universities help perhaps? The imagery could be used for OSM as well. Cheerio John ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] TM server down/struggling
Since OSM is up could you map by using the coordinates then pracelling up the area to the mappers but get them to sync often. Not as nice as HOT but it might be possible to do some mapping. Cheerio John On 15 May 2015 at 07:01, Pete Masters pedrito1...@googlemail.com wrote: Thanks Harry... I'm at the mapping party, so if any admins need to get in touch, contact me directly by email... Cheers, Pete On 15 May 2015 11:54, Harry Wood m...@harrywood.co.uk wrote: I'm currently visiting hospital with my wife not in a position to do anything, but getting panicked calls from people at a massive London mapping party because the task manager server is broken. Can someone Ping dodobas on IRC to tackle this urgently? Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Fwd: Question on Task #1043 roads
Let's avoid to map highway = road since the routing software wont use this information. Sounds like there is quite a bit of clean up to do on the highways many are tagged road. Cheerio John On 14 May 2015 at 06:33, Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr wrote: Let's avoid to map highway = road since the routing software wont use this information. If road connect villages, indicate minimally highway=tertiary. If unpaved, add the tag surface=unpaved. Pierre -- *De :* amrit karmacharya amrit...@gmail.com *À :* Megha Shrestha meghashrest...@gmail.com *Cc :* hot hot@openstreetmap.org *Envoyé le :* Jeudi 14 mai 2015 4h50 *Objet :* Re: [HOT] Fwd: Question on Task #1043 roads The appropriate one is highway = road, until it has been verified. If they are roughly two lane and long, then use highway = tertiary. On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 9:29 AM, Megha Shrestha meghashrest...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, You can tag the unpaved, but maintained roads between small villages as highway = tertiary. You can see the description in http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Nepal/Roads Thanks, Megha He, all, I read the instructions for tagging roads on Task #1043. However, there is no tag for roads that fall between highway=secondary and highway=track. What about the unpaved, but maintained roads between small villages? These are roads that we might tag highway=unclassified in the U.S. These roads often are (barely) two lanes. They're definitely larger than a typical track. Do we tag those highway=secondary also? Charlotte Charlotte Wolter 927 18th Street Suite A Santa Monica, California 90403 +1-310-597-4040 techl...@techlady.com Skype: thetechlady ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot -- Best Regards Amrit Karmacharya Instructor, Survey Officer Land Management Training Center ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
[HOT] Project 684 Polio outbreak and Ebola preparedness, Meiganga, Cameroon
I don't know who the coordinator is but it's mapped. I've done 247 tiles to a reasonable standard and validated the other fourteen. If you wait for someone to come along and validate my work you'll probably be waiting a year or more so I suggest this project gets archived. I sincerely hope that having mapped every building in Meiganga that someone will make use of the individually mapped buildings. I was looking for a polite descriptive word to use after every and before building but one didn't spring to mind. I don't know if anyone has any suggestions? Very nice imagery but a lot of work. It definitely needs local input for street names etc. Cheerio John ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
[HOT] 917 - Ebola Outbreak, Guinea, Boffa Prefecture, Road network and settlements - done
If I haven't mapped it I've validated it so I suggest it gets archived. Thanks John ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] SPAM? MALWARE? Fwd: Survey Goethe-University Frankfurt a. M. Department of Human Geography
Perhaps we should set that as a protocol for a survey requirement, an HTTPS address that is recognisable as a university url? One of the problems with surveys is selection criteria of the sample and having picked your sample the response rate. Working for a few years at Statistics Canada you get indoctrinated with this stuff. I think it was something they slipped into the coffee. Looking at the questions they are coming from a particular angle and it shows. One question is what do you map. The answer is basically whatever is requested in the HOT project. One question they didn't ask is why do you choose to map a particular project? They seem to be hung up on which part of the world you are mapping which to be honest I've not much idea. I even looked at the list of HOT projects I'd mapped and tried to correlate them to the names in the survey. I don't think I got a good match. Some projects where probably in areas that they were after but I didn't recognise them as such. There is such a thing as respondent burden and asking people to say if they have mapped in an area without giving the project numbers is asking for trouble. If I look at my HOT mapping there are basically two types, one I dig into a project and do 50-250 tiles and others where I might do one or two tiles. Do they give equal weight to an area that I've mapped 250 tiles in to one I've mapped one tile in? I just either respond to an urgent priority request, or curiosity, or I have a small collection of projects that I'm slowly mapping in slow time that have good imagery to map from and project instructions that I think I can manage. I'm still hopeless at deciding what purpose a building is from a satellite image unless the natives have been out with a paint brush on the roof and painted what it is before the satellite flies by. The other thing that might be interesting to know is which projects have people on the ground to do a better job of tagging. Street names aren't visible from on high but that's another survey. I wonder how much information they could have got straight from HOT without asking the questions? HOT gives you the list of projects and the number of tiles which roughly corresponds to how much mapping you do. The OSM profile gives more information. You might not get all the information requested but the response rate would be much better which means the quality of the data would be higher. It's not a bad survey but I get the impression that if they had done some HOT mapping first they might have a better understanding of how the system works and they would have got more meaningful data. For example we know that in some areas there is an educated population that we can tap into. Bangladesh, the Philippines etc. and often the local mappers are heavily involved in the HOT mapping in some case providing as much as 75% of the mapping. In other areas such as Africa there is less Internet availability, computer knowledge and fewer people who are familiar with computers and JOSM so in those cases we can expect that most mapping will be done remotely with local tagging hopefully later on. Cheerio John On 12 April 2015 at 17:19, Charlotte Wolter techl...@techlady.com wrote: John, I'm sure the universsity of legit. I'm just not sure about these guys. I'd feel better if they had a university URL. In fact, I think that's basic, if the survey is what they claim. Charlotte At 11:58 AM 4/12/2015, you wrote: I opened the link and did the survey. Looks legitimate. I have various bits of software that check for things. It would probably be more secure if it didn't ask for javascript to be enabled, and I'd be happier with a https connection. Cheerio John On 12 April 2015 at 14:27, Charlotte Wolter techl...@techlady.com wrote: Dear folks,         I just received this. Because there was no advance notice of any kind,         I'm inclined to think that it is malware. I certainly do not intend to open         the link to their survey.         Does anyone know if this is legit? Charlotte Delivered-To: techl...@techlady.com Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2015 11:49:49 +0200 From: Simon Köbel s7976...@stud.uni-frankfurt.de To: pierz...@yahoo.fr, mhairi.oh...@hotosm.org, danspe...@gmail.com,  severin.men...@gmail.com, jwhelan0...@gmail.com, claire.hall...@hotosm.org ,  yantisa.akh...@hotosm.org, bgirar...@gmail.com, nick.allen...@gmail.com,  techl...@techlady.com Cc: mikel_ma...@yahoo.com, kate.chap...@hotosm.org,  domi.weh...@googlemail.com , fabian_w...@hotmail.com, elzum...@gmail.com ,  bur...@geo.uni-frankfurt.de Subject: Survey Goethe-University Frankfurt a. M. Department of Human  Geography User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.3.7) X-RR-Connecting-IP: 107.14.168.105:25 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=BddW09d2 c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=DB0hE7zaO8GYUp/YqmXQew==:117 a=L6JYQDRwKfT6WHSe8sfJEQ==:17 a=ayC55rCo:8
Re: [HOT] SPAM? MALWARE? Fwd: Survey Goethe-University Frankfurt a. M. Department of Human Geography
I opened the link and did the survey. Looks legitimate, I have various bits of software that check for things. It would probably be more secure if it didn't ask for javascript to be enabled and I'd be happier with a https connection. Cheerio John On 12 April 2015 at 14:27, Charlotte Wolter techl...@techlady.com wrote: Dear folks, I just received this. Because there was no advance notice of any kind, I'm inclined to think that it is malware. I certainly do not intend to open the link to their survey. Does anyone know if this is legit? Charlotte Delivered-To: techl...@techlady.com Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2015 11:49:49 +0200 From: Simon Köbel s7976...@stud.uni-frankfurt.de To: pierz...@yahoo.fr, mhairi.oh...@hotosm.org, danspe...@gmail.com, severin.men...@gmail.com, jwhelan0...@gmail.com, claire.hall...@hotosm.org, yantisa.akh...@hotosm.org, bgirar...@gmail.com, nick.allen...@gmail.com, techl...@techlady.com Cc: mikel_ma...@yahoo.com, kate.chap...@hotosm.org, domi.weh...@googlemail.com, fabian_w...@hotmail.com, elzum...@gmail.com, bur...@geo.uni-frankfurt.de Subject: Survey Goethe-University Frankfurt a. M. Department of Human Geography User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.3.7) X-RR-Connecting-IP: 107.14.168.105:25 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=BddW09d2 c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=DB0hE7zaO8GYUp/YqmXQew==:117 a=L6JYQDRwKfT6WHSe8sfJEQ==:17 a=ayC55rCo:8 a=0oj8HZZGiqAA:10 a=Uq6AcsZLS54A:10 a=BLceEmwcHowA:10 a=TZb1taSU:8 a=e9J7MTPGsLIA:10 a=dUtWRZAB1rDCoh9MlMwA:9 a=t3EATtysssYA:10 a=pqBOpMw80UEA:10 a=HUgb82FdLOAA:10 a=4jgzO3Sv:8 a=9JZl8Z5Rb4aRWHZ3PxMA:9 a=sRm4CvaEybql6p0r:21 a=5b220iivvY8iID98:21 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=H7hU10Xv6RopqlgE:21 a=3BXgA0xEnxOp-_uY:21 a=HkkR7HrTyMYTXfvy:21 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 Dear HOT-Users, we are a group of social-geography students at the Department of Human Geography at the Goethe-University Frankfurt a.M. and would like to ask for your assistance in our student research project about Volunteered Geographic Information Systems in general and Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team in particular. We would be interested in conducting a survey among all Humanitarian OpenStreetMap participants, about their experiences with Humanitarian OpenStreetMap and their motivation to particpate in Humanitarian OpenStreetMap. One of the main aspects we want to examine is how the respondents are related to the areas they map for Humanitarian OpenStreetMap and to determine their socio-demographic background. This survey is supposed to be the center-piece of our research project so we would be very thankful for your cooperation. We chose your mail adress from the HOT mailing list to help us optimize our work with a pre-test, if you have some time to spare. If you click the link below and answer the questions in the survey and maybe give some feedback at the end of it, we will be able to find possible errors in our survey design. As mentioned before, this is a pre-test, so if you like you can still participate in the final survey we will hopefully send out in a couple of weeks so we can work with the interesting answers and insights you might give to us. Here you will find the link to our anonymous survey hot.geomedienlabor.de For reference about our research project we would like to refer you to our lecturer, David Burger (bur...@geo.uni-frankfurt.de). We would gladly share the results of our research project with you. Best regards, Simon Köbel, Dominik Wehner, Lucas Wenzel, Fabian Will Charlotte Wolter 927 18th Street Suite A Santa Monica, California 90403 +1-310-597-4040 techl...@techlady.com Skype: thetechlady ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Mapping IDP camps in Maguindanao, Philippines
I've had a quick look, the houses are often low density and there are lots of them which makes mapping a cluster awkward, it also means that marking a tile done is difficult if any buildings are not mapped. The tracks / roads can be difficult to pick out which again makes marking the tile done not easy. Some clusters of housing don't appear to have any roads leading up to them but there is a lot of water around so I assume that is the method of transport. Anyway I've quickly marked a few large landuse=residential on a few tiles so I hope that is of some use. Realistically you need a lot more mappers from somewhere, much of the imagery is good but you need to zoom in. Can you tap the locals in some way? Especially for the requirement about picking out places of worships, schools and public buildings and these need to be done before the tile can be marked done if it is a requirement.; What might help is getting one tile mapped as an example of how you'd like the others mapped. Cheerio John On 31 March 2015 at 06:59, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: Dear everyone, As always, thank you to the 10 contributors [0] who are helping with this task. I just uploaded some mapillary photos to help guide mappers what some of the features look like on the ground. Links are in the Instruction tab of the task [1]. We are hoping the holy week ceasefire will decrease the military offensive [2] but IDP situation on the ground is not any way better. Once again this is not an urgent task nor a formal activation, but we appreciate any help you can extend. [0] http://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-changesets?comment=ARMM#11/6.9949/124.3810 [1] http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/969 [2] http://www.manilatimes.net/holy-week-ceasefire/173028/ On Sat, Mar 28, 2015 at 10:21 AM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: Dear HOTties, (cc OSM-PH) This is not an urgent task, but we are requesting any assistance you can extend. There is an ongoing military operation in Maguindanao which affected 125K IDPs [0 and 1]. I am in Cotabato right now assisting the ARMM-HEART (the regional humanitarian agency) in using OSM in coordinating the on-going response. Fieldwork is very challenging due to physical and security conditions. We created a task to improve the baseamap. The task is here: http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/969 Advance thanks! [0] http://reliefweb.int/map/philippines/philippines-displacement-overview-central-mindanao-3-mar-2015 [1] http://data.ex2.georepublic.net:8080/geofuse/showtheme?layer=csvdata.mb_FA7FECF8C37F1AAD7A504FAA0876B6D0_2348 -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
