Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws not starting when computer does.

[Neil Towery]

 I don't know whether this is similar, but here is what happened to me, last
month. 
 On a windows 10 machine, using no password, and jaws 17, JAWS would not
start. The solution was to not check the box for starting at the log on
screen. But, check the second box. 
 Works fine. Don't ask me why. Hope this helps. 
Neil 
 

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From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of andy.t
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2016 7:53 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Jaws not starting when computer does.

I have a problem that just started today after installing jaws 17.08106
running windows 10 I have the check box checked to start at the logon screen
and I called FS tech support and was told I needed to check both check boxes
but that does not work either jaws still will not start when the computer
does. I would like to know if any one has any ideas why it was working fine
and nothing is changed but installing the update.
I downloaded it from the FS web sight and saved it and then installed it,
any ideas would be appreciated.
Jesus died for us why cant we live for him.
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[JAWS-Users] Ignore: Just a test

[Neil Towery]

ITest to see if I am still on the list. 

 

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Making folders using Outlook 2013

[Neil Towery]

 Try this: 
1. Be in the in box list view. 
2. Strike the alt key by itself. 
3. Right arrow to the folder tab.
4. Tab to the new button, and strike the space bar. 
5. Type in the name of the new folder in the edit box, and strike enter.  
6. If the edit box does not pop up right away, tab to it and type in the
name. Strike enter. 
Neil 

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From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Pam Mahuika
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 6:06 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Making folders using Outlook 2013

Hi my partner is using Outlook 2013, windows 8.1 and JFW 16 Home edition.

We are wanting to make a few folders so he can put particular emails into
them.

If some kind soul out there can give me easy to follow instructions it would
very much be appreciated as I've tried and can't seem to find how to create
them.


Pam Mahuika
South Dunedin
Otago
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[JAWS-Users] Is research it with Amazon broken? Win 7 Jaws 17

[Neil Towery]

Hello Gang: 

 Using Windows 7 and latest version of JAWS 17 on a laptop. I get no results
with Amazon and research it. Is research it broken with Amazon? 

Neil 

  

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Re: [JAWS-Users] More testing of Jaws 17

[Neil Towery]

 I get the pauses on Windows 10 and Windows 7, with either JAWS 16 or 17. I 
notified fFS, but got a generic reply. After that, I figured it was my 
computers. 
Neil 


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From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of jim
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2016 12:40 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] More testing of Jaws 17

Hi George,
Thanks for confirming with me and with a lot of people on my group who are 
having this same issue.
I wanted to see if it was exclusively with w-10 and Jaws 17 or with other 
versions of Windows and Jaws 17.
So, you have answered my question, thanks.
The more of us who let F S Support know about this issue the better.
Again, this is an intermittent Jaws 17 lockup issue, hard to produce when you 
want to show someone at F S Support.






Love God! with your heart, mind, and soul, that you might be blessed reaching 
His goal.
Love your Neighbor as you would yourself, God will truly reward you with good 
health.
Love God, your neighbor, as you love yourself, you will then be spiritually 
balanced with wealth.
Love His Word that proceeds from His lips, then reflect on the heavens where 
God sits.
Jim
-Original Message-
From: George Martinez CPA
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2016 11:17 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] More testing of Jaws 17

Jim,
I am not in Windows 10 but Windows 7 with JAWS 17 and Office 365.
I have experienced the 10 second or more silence in JAWS 17.  I at first
assumed it was due to having both MAGic and JAWS in the same machine which,
of course, run perfectly together.
However, I am seeing some instances on this list of the instances of JAWS
going silent.
I just switched to JAWS 16 and updated to the 16.0.4468 update.
So far I believe it is executing more quickly but time will tell if it
eliminates the pauses.  More later.
George


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change in my life… That is a form of “insanity!”

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From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of jim
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2016 8:49 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] More testing of Jaws 17

Good morning Jaws Users group.
Last night I was doing research and other things.
So, I started out using the latest Jaws 16, and then switched to using the
latest Jaws 17.
Let me know if any of you have noticed the following intermittent lockup of
Jaws 17.
This intermittent lockup of Jaws 17 has been doing this from the beginning
of the Jaws 17 release.
For example.
I had the following programs and windows opened.
Bookshare, F S Reader 2.0, WLM, personal folders, and on occasion my
external back up drive.
Using Jaws 16, latest release no issues.
Using Jaws 17, latest release, it froze up intermittently six times or more
in a little over an hour.
The freeze lasted for 10 to 15 seconds, this is very frustrating.
For example:
When going into the search edit box on Bookshare, Jaws 17 intermittently
freezes for 10 seconds or so, you can do nothing until it speaks.
When pressing Control+N, for a new message in WLM, same thing.
When pressing Control+R, to reply to a message, same thing.
When pressing the escape key in F S Reader 2.0, to go from my alphabetical
list of books back to the current book, same thing.
When pressing ALT+f4 to close a program, or pressing Control+W, to close a
window, same thing.
When pressing ALT+Tab to switch From one program to another, same thing.
When in the settings area, going from one screen to another, same thing.
Again, this is an intermittent Jaws lockup, very difficult to reproduce with
any regularity!
But never-the-less, this is a very frustrating issue with Jaws 17.
Again, this has been this way since the first release of Jaws 17.
This is why I went back to using the latest Jaws 16 on my w-10 computer.
Do any of you use Jaws 17 older version or the latest version, regularly on
your w-10 computer?
Have you encountered this Jaws 17 intermittent lockup, which last for 10 to
15 seconds?
If you have, please let me know, also, please let F S Support know about it.
Again, very hard to reproduce this problem when you wish to reproduce it.
But it continues to intermittently pop up again and again in Jaws 17.
I do not have this issue using Jaws 16, so, I know the issue is with Jaws
17.
Any feedback on this issue would be appreciated.
Love God! with your heart, mind, and soul, that you might be blessed
reaching His goal.
Love your Neighbor as you would yourself, God will truly reward you with
good health.
Love God, your neighbor, as you love yourself, you will then be spiritually
balanced with wealth.
Love His Word that proceeds from His lips, then reflect on the heavens where
God 

Re: [JAWS-Users] Helping moderators with bounces.

[Neil Towery]

 You will stop getting e-mails from the list. Neil 


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of petras
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 10:21 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Helping moderators with bounces.

What happens if you ignore these messages?

 - Original Message -
From: "Neil Towery " <neiltow...@sc.rr.com
To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Date sent: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 09:41:44 -0500
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Helping moderators with bounces.

Hello  Gang:

 From what I have learned over the past few days, we can help the
moderators, and not have their in box smoking.  David has said it is nothing
that we, personally, are doing incorrectly.  So, let's not bother them.

This is what I propose as a solution, when you get a bounce noticed from the
list:

1.  When you get a bounce notice, don't reply to the message possibility.
Arrow down, and strike enter on the link that is something like
"presubscribe."

 2.  It takes you to a web page.  On this web page all you have to do is
strike enter on the button to re-subscribe.

3.  According to David's instructions,  and the message you hear after
selecting the button, you get back on the list to receive messages, and we
do not bother them.

4.  If these instructions are incorrect, would one of the moderators please
clarify these instructions.  Help us make it easy for you.

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[JAWS-Users] Helping moderators with bounces.

[Neil Towery]

Hello  Gang: 

 From what I have learned over the past few days, we can help the
moderators, and not have their in box smoking. David has said it is nothing
that we, personally, are doing incorrectly. So, let's not bother them.

This is what I propose as a solution, when you get a bounce noticed from the
list: 

1. When you get a bounce notice, don't reply to the message possibility.
Arrow down, and strike enter on the link that is something like
"presubscribe." 

 2. It takes you to a web page. On this web page all you have to do is
strike enter on the button to re-subscribe. 

3. According to David's instructions,  and the message you hear after
selecting the button, you get back on the list to receive messages, and we
do not bother them. 

4. If these instructions are incorrect, would one of the moderators please
clarify these instructions. Help us make it easy for you.  

 Thanks. Neil Towery 

 

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Update On "Get Windows 10" Saga

[Neil Towery]

1 800 936 5900
 They are good. Neil 


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Gail the U.S. Male
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 10:38 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Update On "Get Windows 10" Saga

What is the Microsoft accessability hotline phone number?

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Gerald Levy
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 9:05 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Update On "Get Windows 10" Saga


Just keep a very close eye on your computer to make sure that Windows 10
does not get installed surreptitiously.  It's bad enough that Microsoft in
general cannot be trusted, but based on your experience, even the agents who
man the special accessibility help line can't be trusted, either.

Gerald



-Original Message-
From: Annette Carr
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 9:20 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Update On "Get Windows 10" Saga

I just got off of the phone with the Microsoft Accessibility support line.
I can't say that I am as happy as the rest of you have been with the
assistance I received.  Before beginning to remote into my computer, he
tried every way possible to convince me to let him install Windows10.  Maybe
he just did not understand English well.  I finally had to ask to speak to a
supervisor or manager, and he then agreed to do what I was asking.

When he was done, I asked him to review what he had done.  He told me that
he hid the Windows10 installation icon.  I asked how long will the icon stay
hidden and he said for a few days.  I told him that I wanted it removed
completely from my computer and he said that there is no way to do that, and
that I will be happier in a few days if I would call back and have them
install windows10 for me.

So on the positive side , I will not be annoyed by the Windows10 update
window for a few days.

Annette

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2016 6:29 PM
To: Jaws users list
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Update On "Get Windows 10" Saga

Hello, everyone.



As I stated earlier, despite my best efforts, the "Get Windows 10" message
re-appeared on my home Windows 7 computer once again late this afternoon.



Admittedly, I did not install the GWX control panel program software that a
few had suggested, because I was a little leary of putting new software on
my computer without really knowing what I was doing.



Anyway, having spent far too many hours on this needlessly-created  issue so
far, I decided to call the Microsoft Accessibility Hotline for assistance.



It turns out that somehow, the "get windows 10" message, and associated
files had been installed on my computer in several different locations.  It
took the accessibility specialist a full hour to get everything properly
uninstalled and operating as it should.



I couldn't tell for sure, but I even think the accessibility specialist was
getting frustrated at several points.



I used this situation as an opportunity to let her know in no uncertain
terms that Microsoft is not making any friends among blind computer users
who are being harassed repeatedly with the "get windows 10" message, and
that I would hope this could somehow be taken into consideration.



I am sure, as someone else pointed out, this complaint and my situation will
not mean diddley to Microsoft.  But, I would urge anyone with this issue to
contact the Accessibility Hotline, rather than trying to go it alone with
only frustration as the end result.



At least, this is my suggestion at this time, based on my recent experience.



Dr.  Tom Behler from Michigan



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Re: [JAWS-Users] test message.

[Neil Towery]

I received two warning notices about bounces. What does "bounces" mean? What 
causes them? What am I doing wrong? 
Neil 
 

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Ron Kolesar
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 5:33 PM
To: JAWS Mailing List
Subject: [JAWS-Users] test message.

Here’s hoping this letter makes it to the list. 
I was unsubscribed because of bounced letters. 
So I just resubscribed and hope this one doesn’t bounce. 
Ron
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Re: [JAWS-Users] Cross-Posting

[Neil Towery]

 I don't think I did this, if so, I am sorry. Or, my windows 10 was down. 
 Anyway, if I did it, it certainly was not intentional. 
 I know the rules about cross posting. 
Thanks. Neil 


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Moderator
Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2016 10:37 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Cross-Posting

In the past couple of days,we have received several messages held for
moderation, these messages were cross-posted messages, which are not
permitted on this list.
For those who have posted  to multiple e-mail lists , including this one, if
you haven't seen your messages here, it is because they have been rejected.
Please refer to the list guidelines for  the proper manner for posting to
this list.
Thank you,

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[JAWS-Users] Cannot get MS updates to download and install

[Neil Towery]

Hello Gang:

Using Windows 7 and JAWS 16. 

 Have been trying to download and install MS updates, other than Windows 10.
When I check all the boxes and tab to the OK button, The percentage never
gets off zero. And, I never see the download or install button. The only
other thing I see is the get started button, which will install Windows 10.
I don't want Windows 10 on this computer right now 

 How do I download and install those other updates? Getting frustrated.  

 Thanks. Neil  

 

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Outlook 2013, W 10; e-mail arrangement, in box

[Neil Towery]

Hello Gang: 
Duh!!! I found a reverse sort button in the view tab. Not sure how/why I
missed, or did not think, about that right away.
 Thanks. Neil 
 

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From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Neil Towery 
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 5:51 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Outlook 2013, W 10; e-mail arrangement, in box

Hello Gang: 

 Using Outlook 2013. The e-mails are arranged, so the  latest e-mail is at
the top of the list. I want to arrange the order so the latest is at the
bottom of the list.

How do I accomplish that? I went to the ribbons, but found nothing that
seemed right. Any help will be appreciated. 

Thanks. 

Neil  

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Labeling a form field

[Neil Towery]

 I think these will work, even to change the name of a field. At least, they
worked several years ago. 
Labeling unlabelled form fields 

 This is an incredibly frustrating problem. You can type in your own custom
labels. But, it takes a sighted person to help you. 

1. Go to the form field that is not read out by JAWS.  

2. Have the sighted person read to you the label on the field. 

3. Hold down the insert key and strike the F2 key. 

4. Arrow down to custom label and strike enter. 

5. You will hear a high pitch and the word edit. 

6. Type in the label you want.

7. Tab to the OK button and strike enter. 

Neil Towery

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Catherine Walsh
Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2016 5:25 PM
To: Jaws List Group
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Labeling a form field

Hi all,

We needed to upgrade my computer at work from JAWS 13 TO JAWS 17 and office
2013.

I need to label some for fields and I am not sure how to do it.

I would appreciate if someone could send me instructions on how to label a
form field.

Thanks in advance.

Kate Walsh 



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[JAWS-Users] Outlook 2013, W 10; e-mail arrangement, in box

[Neil Towery]

Hello Gang: 

 Using Outlook 2013. The e-mails are arranged, so the  latest e-mail is at
the top of the list. I want to arrange the order so the latest is at the
bottom of the list.

How do I accomplish that? I went to the ribbons, but found nothing that
seemed right. Any help will be appreciated. 

Thanks. 

Neil  

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Re: [JAWS-Users] scanning/reading alternative to OpenBook

[Neil Towery]

 Don't know of a free one, but there is one that is about $100. 
 It is called Text Cloner Pro. It reads printed material, and allows you to 
save it into your word documents. I use it quite often, because I can sort 
through most of my mail.  
Neil 


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Of Kevin
Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2016 1:20 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] scanning/reading alternative to OpenBook

I’m trying to find a possible free solution to scan text and have jaws read to 
me the document this would be similar to OpenBook, but that software is way out 
of my budget.
Email is golden!!!
Kevin Lee
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Re: [JAWS-Users] IE 11

[Neil Towery]

 What happens to those of us, who cannot upgrade to IE 11.0? I have an older
desktop computer, and I cannot get any version later than IE 8 to download
and install. 
 The Microsoft Accessibility Desk worked on it for almost an hour and half
today. They repeatedly tried to find ways to get IE 11.0 installed to no
avail. 
 I have a paid version of AVG as an anti-virus. I rarely use the computer
for anything on the internet, other than some banking and google or amazon
stuff. What should be of concern to me? 
 Several weeks ago, I tried to upgrade it to Windows 10. When I ran the FS
tool, the computer crashed badly. I had to go back to a restore point. FS
recommended I delete all FS products, then, try and upgrade  to Windows 10.
However, the MS Help Desk did not think that was a good idea, given the big
crash. 
I think there must be some hardware thing wrong with it. I plan to replace
the computer with a Windows 10 machine in the spring. 
 So, again, with what should I be concerned after January 12? Should I stay
away from doing any banking on it?  Would using it for e-mail be OK? 
Thanks. Neil 

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Steve
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2016 2:17 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] IE 11

Once again, the guy that started this thread is a source of mis-information.

According to Microsoft, older browsers will no longer be supported.  Windows
Internet Explorer 11 will be supported in Windows 7, 8.1 and 10 through the
life-cycle of the operating system.
But, for those who insist on using older browsers i.e. IE10 on Windows 7,
you won't get any more security updates after January 12.

Steve

- Original Message -
From: David Moore
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2016 6:45 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] IE 11


Hi all,
I use Firefox and Google Chrome without a hitch with win10. Google Chrome is
accessible in the aspects that are important. I have a tutorial that I did
for Google Chrome and Firefox is much like using IE. Have a great one.


-Original Message- 
From: Alan Robbins
Sent: Monday, January 4, 2016 5:35 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] IE 11

Is this credible information? What is the source of this.

> On Jan 4, 2016, at 17:20, Holger Fiallo  wrote:
>
> Hi, all
> I just heard that IE 11 will not be secure after 12 of this month. With
> this mind, I am looking for a good replace replacement. I heard about fax,
> crom. Still using jaws 15 and W7 64. Any suggestion.
>
> Holger Fiallo
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Re: [JAWS-Users] first glance of d2l

[Neil Towery]

 What the heck is D2L? Is it some sort of screen reading thing? 
Neil 
 

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From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Kimsan
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2016 2:03 PM
To: jaws
Subject: [JAWS-Users] first glance of d2l

Hello:

Several weeks or months back even, I asked about d2l.  Aps load in the
background and jaws does not read anything is what I received for a
response; however, my college course began today, and I logged into d2l, and
my first impressions were that its rather cluttery but doable.

I just have to give myself a self-guided tour and get to know the place to
make it out alive using this beast.

I was able to create a new thread, respond to someone, and the only thing so
far I don't like but have no choice is I have to do insert z to move around
when creating new threads as the virtual curser doesn't read anything after
creating a new thread, for example, subject, the body of the thread etc, but
it's not a hill I choose to die on and it looks doable.

Anyways, d2l never seemed like it got put to rest, so at least for me, it's
working.

I've tried it on jfw 17 and 16 and all is well.

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Windows 10 in safe mode

[Neil Towery]

 Thanks for this. But, seems like I will needsighted help, since the sound
drivers don't load. 
 Merry Christmas. Neil 


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Kevin
Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2015 8:41 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Windows 10 in safe mode

found this article for that subject on Microsoft help
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-10/start-your-pc-in-safe-mode

-Original Message-
From: Neil Towery
Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2015 4:48 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Windows 10 in safe mode 

Hello Gang: 

Will the computer come up in safe mode, if I strike the F8 key, shortly
after the computer begins to come on?  Seems like I heard that somewhere,
long ago. Neil 

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Merry Christmas to all, and to all on the Jaws users list

[Neil Towery]

 I agree, totally, David. We must follow all  your rules, including the
cookie monster one. 
 I got a bag from my grandson, so was obligated to jump in right away. 
Neil 


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of David Ferrin
Sent: Friday, December 25, 2015 9:00 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Merry Christmas to all, and to all on the Jaws
users list

Merry Christmas boys and girls to all with-in the reach of this message. I
figure one day of the year this being a very special one we'll step out of
character and wish everybody peace along with good health for the new year. 

I think there is a requirement at this time of the year to eat huge amounts
of cookies along with other holiday favorites. May you enjoy yours, I know I
will.
David Ferrin
A complex system that does not work is invariably found to have evolved from
a simpler system that worked perfectly.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: Friday, December 25, 2015 2:09 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Merry Christmas to all, and to all on the Jaws
users list

Hi all,
Merry Christmas to all. I hope you have a great time with family and
friends, and may 2016 be the greatest year of all for all of you. I hope
some of you get a new computer. JAWS and I wish you the best and take care
all.
David Moore and JAWS Moore


-Original Message-
From: Mike B
Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2015 4:27 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Merry Christmas to all,and to all on the Jaws
users list

Hi Jim,

I had to make my keyboard click with a flick of my wrists.
To say thank you very much for your Merry Christmas wish,

To all of us on the Jaws-Users list.

A very Merry Christmas & Happy New Year to you & yours.
Take care.
Mike

- Original Message -
From: jim
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2015 12:15 PM
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Merry Christmas to all,and to all on the Jaws users
list


Hi David, to you and your moderators and list members, a gift of a poem for
Christmas.

Merry Christmas to all, and to all on the Jaws users list.
Not a keyboard a clicking, not even a flick of the wrist.
All computers are silent, put on stand by while they rest.
Merry Christmas to all, and to all on the Jaws users list.
Not even a monitor flicker, or a Jaws verbal request.
All is at peace, while man and machine rest.
Merry Christmas to all, and to all on the Jaws users list.
Not even the click of a mouse, or the flip of a switch.
All is calm, peaceful, and full of bliss.
Merry Christmas to all, and to all on the Jaws users list.
Author: Jim Flusche
Love God! with your heart, mind, and soul, that you might be blessed
reaching His goal.
Love your Neighbor as you would yourself, God will truly reward you with
good health.
Love God, your neighbor, as you love yourself, you will then be spiritually
balanced with wealth.
Love His Word that proceeds from His lips, then reflect on the heavens where
God sits.
Jim
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[JAWS-Users] Windows 10 in safe mode

[Neil Towery]

Hello Gang: 

 Will the computer come up in safe mode, if I strike the F8 key, shortly
after the computer begins to come on?  Seems like I heard that somewhere,
long ago. Neil 

Neil 

 

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[JAWS-Users] Windows 10 crashes; safe mode & restore?

[Neil Towery]

Hello Gang: 

 I have a windows 10 laptop that has been working fine for almost two
months. Yesterday, right after jaws came up, I heard a question similar to: 

 "Hello, how do you like this picture. We will be sending you more, et
cetra." Even though I do not sign in with a password, I was able to find the
sign in button, and struck the space bar. However, the computer crashed. as
in shut down. I thought it was automatically re-starting, for some unknown
reason. Did a forced re-start. Heard similar info. Found sign in button.
Space bar. Computer shut down. 

 One of the times, I heard something about starting in the locked mode. 

 Now, the computer starts normally, as it pertains to the sound and humming.
However, there is no sound. Not even the windows start up sound. The
computer automatically shuts down in about a minute and half, after I press
the start button. 

 Without sighted help how do I get it to start in safe mode? Since narrator
has been so good in windows 10, will it allow me to do a system restore? 

 Sighted help might arrive, sometime tomorrow. But, I was just wondering if
I could do it using jaws and narrator. 

 Thanks, and Merry Christmas. He is The Reason for the season. 

Neil 

 

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Windows 10 crashes; safe mode & restore?

[Neil Towery]

 Well, since there is no talking, how do you know when the desktop is up?
Would this just be a time estimate? I can probably do a windows I, and
quickly get to update and security, because I have been there several times.
But, after striking enter on update and security, how does one know where
recovery is? Is it the last thing under update and security?  
 I have no sound, along with having a defined amount of time, before the
computer shuts down. 
 Thanks. Neil 
 

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Kevin
Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2015 3:27 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Windows 10 crashes; safe mode & restore?

with windows 10 you never start the computer from a  cold start.  the
computer is in hibernation mode which enables the quick start.  when quick
starting the computer some drivers don't get loaded hence the startup sound
does not play.  this is why when you run jaws in 40 minute mode then shut
down and the next time you start the computer jaws announces in order to use
jaws in 40 minute mode again you must restart your computer.
there is a way to disable the windows 10 quick start but I will not include
this unless someone asks!

-Original Message-
From: Pinky
Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2015 11:36 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Windows 10 crashes; safe mode & restore?

Hi Neal,
If you are using W10 the only time my pc makes the windows sound is on
restart. But from a cold start W10 does not make a sound. Just to let you
know.
Ed

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Neil Towery
Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2015 1:27 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Windows 10 crashes; safe mode & restore?

Hello Gang:

I have a windows 10 laptop that has been working fine for almost two months.
Yesterday, right after jaws came up, I heard a question similar to:

"Hello, how do you like this picture. We will be sending you more, et
cetra." Even though I do not sign in with a password, I was able to find the
sign in button, and struck the space bar. However, the computer crashed. as
in shut down. I thought it was automatically re-starting, for some unknown
reason. Did a forced re-start. Heard similar info. Found sign in button.
Space bar. Computer shut down.

One of the times, I heard something about starting in the locked mode.

Now, the computer starts normally, as it pertains to the sound and humming.
However, there is no sound. Not even the windows start up sound. The
computer automatically shuts down in about a minute and half, after I press
the start button.

Without sighted help how do I get it to start in safe mode? Since narrator
has been so good in windows 10, will it allow me to do a system restore?

Sighted help might arrive, sometime tomorrow. But, I was just wondering if I
could do it using jaws and narrator.

Thanks, and Merry Christmas. He is The Reason for the season.

Neil



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Re: [JAWS-Users] Status if Win 10 downloads andinstalls accidentally?

[Neil Towery]

Thanks. Neil 


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Kevin
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2015 3:39 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Status if Win 10 downloads andinstalls
accidentally?

if you don't mind hearing jaws announce that message at startup your fine.

-Original Message-
From: Neil Towery
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2015 12:28 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Status if Win 10 downloads andinstalls
accidentally?

So, will that be a problem? Will Windows 10 still be installed? What will
need to be done about the FS error message?
If Windows 10 gets installed, I would uninstall JAWS, and re-install it per
the WWindows 10 instructions.
Neil


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Behalf Of Kevin
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2015 11:57 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Status if Win 10 downloads and installs
accidentally?

you'll get the FS mirror driver could not load error!

-Original Message-
From: Neil Towery
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2015 8:38 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Status if Win 10 downloads and installs accidentally?

Hello Gang:

Merry Christmas to all.

I have two questions:

1. What  happens if Windows 10 downloads and installs, accidentally, without
running the FS tool to prepare JAWS? I almost did this.

2. What happens if Windows 10 comes through the updates, without running the
FS tool first?

Thanks. Neil



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Re: [JAWS-Users] strange I.E. behavior

[Neil Towery]

It is a dad blame computer. Some mysteries will remain, whether door stops or 
door mats. Neil 


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Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2015 9:44 AM
To: JFW List
Subject: [JAWS-Users] strange I.E. behavior

I have no idea why it happened but it magically went away. Trying to go to the 
jaws-users page I kept getting an old page. I suspect that it was getting one 
from history. Although I attempted to clear the history it still appeared. I 
turned the laptop off for a few hours and left it charge. I was going to call 
Microsoft and when it powered on it magically was ok.  Not too sure about this 
door mat. At least it is working correctly.


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[JAWS-Users] Status if Win 10 downloads and installs accidentally?

[Neil Towery]

Hello Gang: 

 Merry Christmas to all. 

 I have two questions: 

1. What  happens if Windows 10 downloads and installs, accidentally, without
running the FS tool to prepare JAWS? I almost did this.  

2. What happens if Windows 10 comes through the updates, without running the
FS tool first?  

 Thanks. Neil 

 

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Status if Win 10 downloads and installs accidentally?

[Neil Towery]

 So, will that be a problem? Will Windows 10 still be installed? What will
need to be done about the FS error message? 
 If Windows 10 gets installed, I would uninstall JAWS, and re-install it per
the WWindows 10 instructions. 
Neil 


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From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Kevin
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2015 11:57 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Status if Win 10 downloads and installs
accidentally?

you'll get the FS mirror driver could not load error!

-Original Message-
From: Neil Towery
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2015 8:38 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Status if Win 10 downloads and installs accidentally?

Hello Gang:

Merry Christmas to all.

I have two questions:

1. What  happens if Windows 10 downloads and installs, accidentally, without
running the FS tool to prepare JAWS? I almost did this.

2. What happens if Windows 10 comes through the updates, without running the
FS tool first?

Thanks. Neil



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Re: [JAWS-Users] Outlook Express, options, finding advanced page, removing message from server

[Neil Towery]

Thanks for your instructions. I found the page, and unchecked the box about
leaving messages on the server.
But, apparently this "fix" is not retroactive, because there are still
thousands on the server, with 670 being unread. 
 Is there a way to get those old messages off the server? For instance, if
we elected to leave messages on the server, but choose for them to be
deleted after 15 days? Then, would it delete all those prior to December 1
or 2? 
 Strange problem. Logic would seem to say that unchecking that box would
have taken off the messages that had been read. Any advice will be
appreciated.   
 Thanks. Neil 


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Behalf Of Scorpio Forever
Sent: Monday, December 14, 2015 8:00 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Outlook Express, options, finding advanced page,
removing message from server

Hi Neil,

That's because you're looking in the application settings, and not the
account settings.

When you press alt+T for the tools menu, assuming you're using the original
Outlook Express, press the letter A for accounts, and in the resulting
dialog box, arrow up or down to the account she's trying to change the
setting on.

Once highlighted, press alt+P for the properties dialog box, then 
control+tab to go to the Advanced tab.

One thing I would recommend is to leave the copy of messages on the server,
but check the box after that that says, "Remove from server when deleted
from the 'deleted items' folder", this will ensure that she's got a copy of
the messages she wants to keep or archive, but deletes the messages she
doesn't want to keep when she clears her deleted items folder.

Just a thought, but feel free to act according to the person's needs.

Scorpio

-Original Message-----
From: Neil Towery
Sent: Monday, December 14, 2015 6:19 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Outlook Express, options, finding advanced
page,removing message from server

Hello Gang:

I have a friend using outlook express. She has way too many messages on her
Frontier server. I thought there was a way to go to the advanced page and
check/uncheck some boxes concerning messages on her server.

However, we could not find the location to do that. I went to tools and
options. Found the general page, send/receive, maintenance, and so forth.
But, I never found an advanced page. I was almost sure there was an advanced
page to accomplish this task. No luck.

So, without look express, how do you get to the location to manage things on
the server? I think we tried all menus.

After going to tools, the first thing is the send and receive sub menu.
But, the only thing I heard there was "control m." No pages came up.

So, I know you know the answer. Thanks for your future response.

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Re: [JAWS-Users] control panel; windows update settings

[Neil Towery]

 I have never seen the "##" option. But, when I just went and checked,  the
other downloads had completed. And, today the Windows 10 check box showed
up. A couple weeks ago it was in the list. Last week, it was not listed. Go
figure. I guess they are trying to sneak us into it. 
 Thanks for the info. Neil 
 

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of K. Washington
Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2015 6:47 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] control panel; windows update settings

You have to click on the "## optional updates" link in the Windows Update
window. You'll find a reference to the Windows 10 update in there. Arrow
down to it and hit the [Spacebar] to uncheck it. Then you'll be able to
continue with the d/l of the important updates you really want to get. Even
though normally any updates listed under "Optional" aren't checked as a
default, Microsoft has decided to check the Windows 10 update. Figure that
LOL!

At 10:18 AM 12/13/2015, you wrote:
>George,
>  I have the same thing chosen, using
>Win 7 and JAWS 16. I checked 17 check boxes for updates to be downloaded.
>Tab to the OK button. Struck the space bar. What pops up is a get 
>started button. If I don't strike the get started button, nothing 
>happens with those
>17 updates.
>  However, if I strike the get started button, I think it begins to 
>download those 17 updates. And, it begins to download Windows 10, which 
>I don't want at this time on this particular machine.
>  What is the solution to get those 17 downloaded and installed, but 
>not windows 10, along with them?
>  Thanks. Neil
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] 
>On Behalf Of TheHangMan
>Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2015 4:06 PM
>To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
>Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] control panel; windows update settings
>
>Hi,
>I have mine set in wind 7 to download, but not install, until I decide 
>to install, know what I mean, the option is there.
>
> Jorge
>
>-Original Message-
>From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] 
>On Behalf Of Karen Schrade
>Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2015 2:12 PM
>To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
>Subject: [JAWS-Users] control panel; windows update settings
>
>Jaws 15 and win 7. I'm having trouble with the settings for the windows 
>updates. I changed it from automatic to download but  let me choose 
>whether to install them.  I have treat optional the same way as  
>recommended unchecked. When the big load of updates came out on 
>Tuesday, or maybe Wednesday, they were downloaded and installed. GRRR!
>
>Is there something else I should have done? Thanks, Karen
>
>
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[JAWS-Users] Outlook Express, options, finding advanced page, removing message from server

[Neil Towery]

Hello Gang: 

 I have a friend using outlook express. She has way too many messages on her
Frontier server. I thought there was a way to go to the advanced page and
check/uncheck some boxes concerning messages on her server. 

 However, we could not find the location to do that. I went to tools and
options. Found the general page, send/receive, maintenance, and so forth.
But, I never found an advanced page. I was almost sure there was an advanced
page to accomplish this task. No luck. 

 So, without look express, how do you get to the location to manage things
on the server? I think we tried all menus. 

 After going to tools, the first thing is the send and receive sub menu.
But, the only thing I heard there was "control m." No pages came up. 

 So, I know you know the answer. Thanks for your future response. 

 Neil 

 

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Re: [JAWS-Users] control panel; windows update settings

[Neil Towery]

George, 
 I have the same thing chosen, using 
Win 7 and JAWS 16. I checked 17 check boxes for updates to be downloaded.
Tab to the OK button. Struck the space bar. What pops up is a get started
button. If I don't strike the get started button, nothing happens with those
17 updates. 
 However, if I strike the get started button, I think it begins to download
those 17 updates. And, it begins to download Windows 10, which I don't want
at this time on this particular machine. 
 What is the solution to get those 17 downloaded and installed, but not
windows 10, along with them? 
 Thanks. Neil 


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of TheHangMan
Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2015 4:06 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] control panel; windows update settings

Hi,
I have mine set in wind 7 to download, but not install, until I decide to
install, know what I mean, the option is there.

Jorge

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Karen Schrade
Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2015 2:12 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] control panel; windows update settings

Jaws 15 and win 7. I'm having trouble with the settings for the windows
updates. I changed it from automatic to download but  let me choose whether
to install them.  I have treat optional the same way as  recommended
unchecked. When the big load of updates came out on Tuesday, or maybe
Wednesday, they were downloaded and installed. GRRR!

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[JAWS-Users] Pointing downloads to correct folder

[Neil Towery]

Hello Gang: 

 Using windows 7 and JAWS 17. 

 I am helping someone set up a windows 7 computer, which will be converted
to a Windows 10. 

 I put a short cut for downloads on the desktop. However, I do not know how
to direct downloads to that folder. I downloaded something, which went to
the desktop, instead of the downloads folder. 

 What are the steps to direct downloads to the downloads folder? 

 Am sure many of you know the steps. Thanks. 

Neil 

   

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Re: [JAWS-Users] setting up laptop

[Neil Towery]

Yes. I am using a laptop, without a password. Most people don't advise this. 
They worry me. 
Neil 


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Of Lenny McHugh
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2015 3:20 PM
To: JFW List
Subject: [JAWS-Users] setting up laptop

I should have my first laptop in a few hours. To start setting it up can it be 
set that no login password is required?


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[JAWS-Users] MS support of Windows 7

[Neil Towery]

Hello Gang: 

 I know several of you keep up with what is going on with Microsoft. I
remember they announced well in advance when they would no longer support
Windows XP. 

 Have any of you read anything about their future support of Windows 7? Just
thinking about any deals that may be out there for Windows 7. 

Thanks. 

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[JAWS-Users] Deleteing folders in Outlook Express

[Neil Towery]

Hello Gang: 

 Have a friend, who is using outlook express for e-mail. How does she delete
some of the e-mail folders. She is using JAWS 16. 

 

 Thanks. Neil 

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Re: [JAWS-Users] november windows 10 update

[Neil Towery]

 I will be very interested in what FS tells you. So, please put something in 
your subject line about SMA and upgrades. I do not want to miss the answer. 
Thanks. Neil 


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Kevin
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2015 11:10 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] november windows 10 update

um, when I bought jaws 11 I FS gave me 3 SMAs and I did not use them until
15 came out.  I used one to authorize 15 then when 16 came out I used another!  
so I don't understand what your saying.  I'll contact FS to confirm what you 
say!

-Original Message-
From: Londa Peterson
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2015 8:02 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] november windows 10 update

If you have one upgrade remaining, that's the sma. You have to use it for 17. 
If you try and use it for 18, you won't be authorized. It will know that you've 
tried to skip, and it won't let you. I would encourage you to call FS to verify 
what I'm saying to you. I just hate to see you waste a perfectly good upgrade 
thinking that you can use it later when you can't.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Kevin
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2015 10:36 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] november windows 10 update

well when I go to my help menu in jaws it still says 1 remote upgrade 
remaining.  I'm not sure if this is the SMA everyone speaks of, I don't even 
know what a SMA is all I know is I can upgrade one more time!

-Original Message-
From: Londa Peterson
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2015 6:27 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] november windows 10 update

Hi Kevin,
Unfortunately,, as far as I know you can't save SMA's. If you don't install 17, 
you still can't get 18 if you only have one SMA left. You've simply wasted your 
SMA by not installing 17. Unless FS has changed something recently that is.

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From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Kevin
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2015 12:19 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] november windows 10 update

the first major windows 10  update fixed the crashing that was happening with 
jaws don’t ask how, but I am not experiencing jaws crashes anymore.
this is good because I won’t need to use a SMA to upgrade jaws, 16 latest is 
good enough!
Email is golden!!!
Kevin Lee
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Re: [JAWS-Users] Locked out of Windows 10; Can a bonified MS person unlock computer

[Neil Towery]

Well, I took your advice. I am to get the computer back this morning,
without a password. 
 Not sure how I am going to proceed. I surely don't want to run into this
again. 
 I will keep the MS number you provided. 
Thanks. Neil 


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Behalf Of TheHangMan
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2015 2:16 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Locked out of Windows 10; Can a bonified MS person
unlock computer

Neil,
Since you have a person with vision handy, Perform a restore to go back
exactly 6 days.
Then, you can reinstall a new password.
And Windows 10 should still be good.
I ran into this number below:
MS tech reset password: 800-306-1557

If, it works, let me know...

Jorge

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From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Neil Towery
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2015 1:27 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Locked out of Windows 10; Can a bonified MS person
unlock computer

Hello Gang: 

 After almost precisely one week of using Windows 10, I got locked out. I
was in the process of setting up an MS account, and even established a
password. But, somehow never got the account verified. 

 Now, Win 10 comes up asking for a password. It even shows the hint for the
password. But, it will not accept it. Nor, will it accept any other MS
passwords I have. 

 For the user name, which narrator does not read, it just has the first and
last name, with the proper capital letters, and a space between the first
and last name. My  wife could see that.  

 I liked Windows 10, until this. The MS Help Desk worked mightily with me
and my wife, who is sighted. No luck. 

 We could not even roll back to Win 7. Needed the password to do that. 

 So, here is my question. Can a computer geek at the local shop push past
the password and unlock the computer? I would not mind investing a little
money into it. Probably an hour's worth of  work. 

 So, I am looking for opinions. 

 Thanks a bunch. 

Neil Towery  

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[JAWS-Users] JAWS 17 auto start/not start; Win 10

[Neil Towery]

Hello Gang: 

 Have a laptop with Win 10 and JAWS 17. I have no log in password. 

 So, in the jaws "automatically start dialogue box," I do not have the start
jaws at the log on screen checked. I have all others checked.

I had a password issue that has been resolved. 

 Now, when I start the computer from a cold start, jaws will automatically
start, as always. However, if I re-start the computer, jaws will not
automatically start.  

 Would checking the start at login screen fix this? If I do that, will the
computer stop coming up at the log on screen, until I strike enter? 

 A little weird, since this has not been a problem  in the past. 

 Tried calling FS, all afternoon. Got a busy signal every time. 

 Thanks. Neil 

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[JAWS-Users] Blocked out of Windows 10 computer; password not recognized

[Neil Towery]

Hello Gang: 

 I had never used a password on the computer. However, I have two or three
MS accounts. I tried all three, even a fourth password from my wife's MS
account. None of these worked. 

 She looked at the computer, and saw the hint for the password. She tried
typing in the password. No luck. 

 She saw a re-set option that included inserting a thumb drive. Tried all we
know there. Saw some information saying we needed to have created a
"recovery password disk." Apparently, even before all this started. 

 I had been using Windows 10 for almost precisely one week. I had tried the
instructions to verify the MS account, but could never get to the point to
have a code sent to me.  

 Help! Jim, David, Rick, or anyone else. 

 Is there a Microsoft phone number for password issues? Is this something
the Accessibility Desk could solve? 

 I liked Windows 10 a lot, until this. 

 Thanks a bunch. Neil 

 

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Blocked out of Windows 10 computer; password not recognized

[Neil Towery]

 After working with the MS help desk, you seem  to be right. Can they really
do such a thing? That is get past a password?  
Neil 


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From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Michael Boyd
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2015 11:12 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Blocked out of Windows 10 computer; password not
recognized

I am afraid that this one is going to take the help of a computer technician
who can use a software to break the password and reset it for you. There are
some software out there that are free, but I have never found one that would
actually do the job.
n

Mike
Sent from my iPhone


On Nov 16, 2015, at 6:34 AM, Neil Towery <neiltow...@sc.rr.com> wrote:

Hello Gang: 

I had never used a password on the computer. However, I have two or three MS
accounts. I tried all three, even a fourth password from my wife's MS
account. None of these worked. 

She looked at the computer, and saw the hint for the password. She tried
typing in the password. No luck. 

She saw a re-set option that included inserting a thumb drive. Tried all we
know there. Saw some information saying we needed to have created a
"recovery password disk." Apparently, even before all this started. 

I had been using Windows 10 for almost precisely one week. I had tried the
instructions to verify the MS account, but could never get to the point to
have a code sent to me.  

Help! Jim, David, Rick, or anyone else. 

Is there a Microsoft phone number for password issues? Is this something the
Accessibility Desk could solve? 

I liked Windows 10 a lot, until this. 

Thanks a bunch. Neil 



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Re: [JAWS-Users] Blocked out of Windows 10 computer; password not recognized

[Neil Towery]

 Well, I am still locked out, even after calling the MS Help Desk. They, and
we, tried hard. No luck. 
Neil 


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Bissett, Tom
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2015 11:23 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Blocked out of Windows 10 computer; password not
recognized

I have read some about win 10.  In order to use win 10 I am to assume that
you need to open a Microsoft account?  I am hoping not.  I hate giving my
life story to all these people that don't need it.  I went online to order a
pizza the other week they wanted my age and gender and I don't recall what
else.  I didn't have pizza after all.  
Tom Bisset
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Behalf Of Michael Boyd
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2015 11:12 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Blocked out of Windows 10 computer; password not
recognized

I am afraid that this one is going to take the help of a computer technician
who can use a software to break the password and reset it for you. There are
some software out there that are free, but I have never found one that would
actually do the job.
n

Mike
Sent from my iPhone


On Nov 16, 2015, at 6:34 AM, Neil Towery <neiltow...@sc.rr.com> wrote:

Hello Gang: 

I had never used a password on the computer. However, I have two or three MS
accounts. I tried all three, even a fourth password from my wife's MS
account. None of these worked. 

She looked at the computer, and saw the hint for the password. She tried
typing in the password. No luck. 

She saw a re-set option that included inserting a thumb drive. Tried all we
know there. Saw some information saying we needed to have created a
"recovery password disk." Apparently, even before all this started. 

I had been using Windows 10 for almost precisely one week. I had tried the
instructions to verify the MS account, but could never get to the point to
have a code sent to me.  

Help! Jim, David, Rick, or anyone else. 

Is there a Microsoft phone number for password issues? Is this something the
Accessibility Desk could solve? 

I liked Windows 10 a lot, until this. 

Thanks a bunch. Neil 



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[JAWS-Users] Locked out of Windows 10; Can a bonified MS person unlock computer

[Neil Towery]

Hello Gang: 

 After almost precisely one week of using Windows 10, I got locked out. I
was in the process of setting up an MS account, and even established a
password. But, somehow never got the account verified. 

 Now, Win 10 comes up asking for a password. It even shows the hint for the
password. But, it will not accept it. Nor, will it accept any other MS
passwords I have. 

 For the user name, which narrator does not read, it just has the first and
last name, with the proper capital letters, and a space between the first
and last name. My  wife could see that.  

 I liked Windows 10, until this. The MS Help Desk worked mightily with me
and my wife, who is sighted. No luck. 

 We could not even roll back to Win 7. Needed the password to do that. 

 So, here is my question. Can a computer geek at the local shop push past
the password and unlock the computer? I would not mind investing a little
money into it. Probably an hour's worth of  work. 

 So, I am looking for opinions. 

 Thanks a bunch. 

Neil Towery  

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Re: [JAWS-Users] locked out of windows 10 password not reconized

[Neil Towery]

 Took the computer to a local computer shop. They just called, and the
computer no longer requires a password. A well spent 35 bucks. 
 Now, the question is: 
 Does Windows 10 require that you have a user name/account and password? I
would rather not have to deal with it. I just want the computer and JAWS to
come up!!  
 But, I can handle it, if absolutely necessary. Talk to me, folks.  
 Thanks for your input. 
Neil 

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of anna vimini
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2015 2:05 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] locked out of windows 10 password not reconized

it sounds like the problem is because you have not verified your password
with microsoft as of yet I would call the accessibility help desk again and
see if they can verify your account and password for you on their computers
and then try to log in again.
just a thought
[JAWS-Users] Locked out of Windows 10; Can a bonified MS person unlock
computer Hello Gang:

  After almost precisely one week of using Windows 10, I got locked out. I
was in the process of setting up an MS account, and even established a
password. But, somehow never got the account verified.

  Now, Win 10 comes up asking for a password. It even shows the hint for the
password. But, it will not accept it. Nor, will it accept any other MS
passwords I have.

  For the user name, which narrator does not read, it just has the first and
last name, with the proper capital letters, and a space between the first
and last name. My  wife could see that.

  I liked Windows 10, until this. The MS Help Desk worked mightily with me
and my wife, who is sighted. No luck.

  We could not even roll back to Win 7. Needed the password to do that.

  So, here is my question. Can a computer geek at the local shop push past
the password and unlock the computer? I would not mind investing a little
money into it. Probably an hour's worth of  work.

  So, I am looking for opinions.

  Thanks a bunch.

Neil Towery


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[JAWS-Users] downloading & installing updates on Windows 10

[Neil Towery]

Hello Gang: 

 I upgraded an old laptop to Windows 10 last week. I have tried to check for
updates. 

 I typed in check for updates in the search box, after striking the windows
key. I struck enter and heard that updates are available. Then, I heard jaws
say 44%. It has been stuck there for hours. 

 I know I have a slow download speed, but something seems wrong. 

 I tried to tab and arrow around, but never found an install or download
button or link. 

  What am I doing wrong? What are the steps? 

Thanks. Neil  

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Re: [JAWS-Users] can not install win 10

[Neil Towery]

 I have found them to be wonderful!! Very patient. Neil 


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Of Lenny McHugh
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2015 5:26 PM
To: JFW List
Subject: [JAWS-Users] can not install win 10

What a long and interesting call with Microsoft support. I was having a problem 
with I.e. so called the accessibility support. After that was corrected I 
mentioned that I could not install windows 10. He was willing to try and help. 
After he made many driver updates and started the update, an error popped up. 
It was something with the processor. He did a lot of looking around and ran a 
utility. There is a flag not set in the processor that needs to be on. This can 
only be changed in the bios. He told me that if he lived next door he could 
make all necessary changes. With a little discussion we agreed that it be best 
just to run win 7 32 bit on this machine and later upgrade the computer.


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[JAWS-Users] Upgraded to Win 10; Accessibility desk great help; Narrator good in Win 10

[Neil Towery]

Hello Gang: 

 I got an old laptop computer upgraded to Win 10, with some great help from
the MS Accessibility desk. I used them, because I had so many updates, 161,
that had not been installed. Not sure why, because I had selected automatic.
Anyway, they spent a very long time with me over the course of two days. 

 I have customized the computer according to Jim Flusche's instructions.
They are spot on!! 

 I, also, wanted to tell folks that my fear of Win 10 was unwarranted. After
it was installed, all my desktop items from Win 10 were on the new desktop.
Nice. I was dreading the thought of having to do that. 

 I may be wrong, but I think the old thing has been "juiced up." Seems
faster and smoother. This is an impression, not a scientific fact. 

 I am very happy that I did it. A re-furbished desktop is next. May not even
need help from the accessibility desk, since I have the excellent
instructions from Jim Flusche. He is a tremendous resource.  

 Have a great week. Neil 

  

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Windows 10 installed; JAWS talking: Stuck: Next step?

[Neil Towery]

 When I pressed the windows key, all I got was Cortana. I had to do windows
key + X, and arrow to power. 
 Have not done your customization, yet. 
Neil 
 

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From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of jim
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2015 12:20 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Windows 10 installed; JAWS talking: Stuck: Next
step?

Press Windows key.
Up to power, press enter.
Choose, shut down, restart, or sleep, press enter.
Takes me about two seconds.
So, there are several ways in w-10, to shut a computer down.
Make your choice.
It's hard to beat two seconds.
But I'm sure some of you will try.
Good luck...



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Consider the snow flakes, as they fall, bright and beautiful one and all.
Watch the snowflakes as they fall, all are different, large and small Look
at the snowflakes as they fall, they are One of God's treasures, created for
all.
Consider Him, as the blizzard blows, let Him warm your heart, and give Him
your soul.
Take a walk with Him daily in the snow, pray and meditate on Him whenever
you go.
Remember, God loves you and I, trust in His salvation before you die.

Author: Jim Flusche

GO BUCKEYES! Win another National title...
-Original Message-
From: Kimsan
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2015 10:39 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Windows 10 installed;JAWS talking: Stuck: Next
step?

Windows key x, up arrow to the shut down submenu and press enter on
shutdown...
SuccessfulImpact.com

www.Successfulimpact.com

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From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Dialup@56k
Sent: Monday, November 9, 2015 4:55 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Windows 10 installed; JAWS talking: Stuck: Next
step?

Alt + F4 opens the traditional Shutdown Window in Win 10 but don't tell M$.
They might remove it in the next update.
Glen

***


On Tue-10-Nov-15 11:33 am, Neil Towery  wrote:
>   Thanks for this information. I will give it a shot in the morning.
> Have been at this a long time today. Using a laptop and slow download 
> speed with the network. Have chronic back trouble, and it is on fire 
> right
now.
> Exhausted, but happy.
>   By the way, in Win 7, to shut the computer down:
> 1. Windows key
> 2. Tab twice to shutdown split button.
> 3. Space bar for shutdown.
>   What are the comparable steps with Win 10?
>   Just want you to know that I appreciate your work. It has encouraged 
> me to be bold. Have just enough knowledge to be dangerous.
>   Thanks. Neil
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com]
> On Behalf Of Jim
> Sent: Monday, November 09, 2015 7:03 PM
> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Windows 10 installed; JAWS talking: Stuck:
> Next step?
>
> Hi Neil,
> Good job, I knew you could do it.
> Press Windows key+X, the first item is programs and features.
> Press enter.
> Works the same way as it did in w-7.
> Highlight the version of Jaws that you want to uninstall, press enter.
> Follow the prompts, keep shared components and shared settings.
> Turn narrator on after Jaws is uninstalled with Windows key+Enter.
> Press the windows key, up arrow to power, press enter.
> Down arrow to restart, press enter.
> After a few minutes, press Windows key+enter, to turn narrator on.
> Sign-in, use narrator to go to your download folder where you should 
> have the latest Jaws 16 or 17 already downloaded.
> Press enter on the Jaws file, turn narrator off, with, Windows key+enter.
> When Jaws finishes installing,
> Redo your shortcut keystroke for Jaws.
> Redo the Start up on the log-in screen.
> For whatever reason these two settings are not kept, all other 
> settings for Jaws are kept.
> No need to restart after the installation of Jaws is complete.
> Good luck...
>
>
>
> Consider the snow flakes
>
> Consider the snow flakes, as they fall, bright and beautiful one and all.
> Watch the snowflakes as they fall, all are different, large and small 
> Look at the snowflakes as they fall, they are One of God's treasures, 
> created for all.
> Consider Him, as the blizzard blows, let Him warm your heart, and give 
> Him your soul.
> Take a walk with Him daily in the snow, pray and meditate on Him 
> whenever you go.
> Remember, God loves you and I, trust in His salvation before you die.
>
> Author: Jim Flusche
>
> GO BUCKEYES! Win another National title...
> -Original Message-
> From: Neil Towery
> Sent: Monday, November 09, 2015 6:16 PM
> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
> Subject: [JAWS-Users] Windows 10 installed; JAWS talking: Stuck: Next
step?
>
> Hello Jim or Wi

[JAWS-Users] Win 10, narrator not working; don't die laughing

[Neil Towery]

Hello Gang: 

 Just upgraded to Win 10. All my old desktop items are on the new desktop
and working. Nice surprise! 

 Before I deleted JAWS 16 and re-install JAWS 17, I thought I would test out
narrator. Windows + enter indeed starts narrator. However, when I strike the
arrow keys or tab/shift tab, all I hear is the name of the key or "unknown
key." 

 So, turned narrator off, and went to my desktop with windows E. Turned
narrator back on, but could not go anywhere on my desktop, with narrator. 

 Here is the laughable question: 

 I still had JAWS running. Does narrator not work with JAWS running? 

 If it does work while JAWS is running, how do I get narrator to do anything
other than announce the key I strike or say, "unknown key?" 

 I never used narrator, because I found it so un-useful. 

 I saw a place for different settings for narrator, but did not fool with
them. Just wanted it to work! 

 Smile, and thanks. 

Neil 

 

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[JAWS-Users] Windows 10 installed; JAWS talking: Stuck: Next step?

[Neil Towery]

Hello Jim or Win 10 USER: 

 I have gotten Win 10 downloaded. Jaws is talking. 

 Jim's instructions are below. But, how do I go to "programs and features..?


 Cannot tab to it or arrow to it. Am stuck!! Help, please. 

Jim's instructions: 

Tips on how to do this.

Go to programs and features, press enter on Jaws 16 or 17.

Say yes, for your user's account message.

Uninstall Jaws, Keeping shared settings and personal settings.

If the Jaws dialog does not tell you to restart, Turn Narrator on, Windows 

key+enter, restart your computer.

Wait the appropriate time for restarting, turn Narrator back on, Windows 

key+enter.

Go to your download folder where you have already put the latest Jaws 16 or
17, set up file===

Neil 

 

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Windows 10 installed; JAWS talking: Stuck: Next step?

[Neil Towery]

 Thanks for this information. I will give it a shot in the morning. Have
been at this a long time today. Using a laptop and slow download speed with
the network. Have chronic back trouble, and it is on fire right now.
Exhausted, but happy.  
 By the way, in Win 7, to shut the computer down: 
1. Windows key
2. Tab twice to shutdown split button. 
3. Space bar for shutdown. 
 What are the comparable steps with Win 10? 
 Just want you to know that I appreciate your work. It has encouraged me to
be bold. Have just enough knowledge to be dangerous. 
 Thanks. Neil 
 

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Jim
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2015 7:03 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Windows 10 installed; JAWS talking: Stuck: Next
step?

Hi Neil,
Good job, I knew you could do it.
Press Windows key+X, the first item is programs and features.
Press enter.
Works the same way as it did in w-7.
Highlight the version of Jaws that you want to uninstall, press enter.
Follow the prompts, keep shared components and shared settings.
Turn narrator on after Jaws is uninstalled with Windows key+Enter.
Press the windows key, up arrow to power, press enter.
Down arrow to restart, press enter.
After a few minutes, press Windows key+enter, to turn narrator on.
Sign-in, use narrator to go to your download folder where you should have
the latest Jaws 16 or 17 already downloaded.
Press enter on the Jaws file, turn narrator off, with, Windows key+enter.
When Jaws finishes installing,
Redo your shortcut keystroke for Jaws.
Redo the Start up on the log-in screen.
For whatever reason these two settings are not kept, all other settings for
Jaws are kept.
No need to restart after the installation of Jaws is complete.
Good luck...



Consider the snow flakes

Consider the snow flakes, as they fall, bright and beautiful one and all.
Watch the snowflakes as they fall, all are different, large and small Look
at the snowflakes as they fall, they are One of God's treasures, created for
all.
Consider Him, as the blizzard blows, let Him warm your heart, and give Him
your soul.
Take a walk with Him daily in the snow, pray and meditate on Him whenever
you go.
Remember, God loves you and I, trust in His salvation before you die.

Author: Jim Flusche

GO BUCKEYES! Win another National title...
-Original Message-
From: Neil Towery
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2015 6:16 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Windows 10 installed; JAWS talking: Stuck: Next step?

Hello Jim or Win 10 USER:

I have gotten Win 10 downloaded. Jaws is talking.

Jim's instructions are below. But, how do I go to "programs and features..?


Cannot tab to it or arrow to it. Am stuck!! Help, please.

Jim's instructions:

Tips on how to do this.

Go to programs and features, press enter on Jaws 16 or 17.

Say yes, for your user's account message.

Uninstall Jaws, Keeping shared settings and personal settings.

If the Jaws dialog does not tell you to restart, Turn Narrator on, Windows

key+enter, restart your computer.

Wait the appropriate time for restarting, turn Narrator back on, Windows

key+enter.

Go to your download folder where you have already put the latest Jaws 16 or
17, set up file===

Neil



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Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS and a new computer

[Neil Towery]

Can you use narrator to download JAWS 17 from FS? Or, is the CD necessary? 
Neil 


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Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2015 3:26 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS and a new computer

Rick:

Thanks for this very valuable information on using Windows Narrator to
install Jaws on a new Windows computer.

I always like to find ways around needing sighted assistance for these sorts
of things, and I'll save this info for future reference.

Thanks very much again!

Dr.  Tom Behler from Michigan


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Behalf Of Rick Justice
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2015 2:36 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS and a new computer

Hi Wayne,
When you boot the computer, wait a minute or two, to allow the system too
load everything, then press the Windows key + the Letter U,  to open the
"Ease of Access Center".
Next, press Alt + the letter N, to start Narrator.
Be patient, Narrator may take a few seconds to start talking.
>From this point, you should be able to navigate the pre-setup screens using
the tab key and arrow keys.
Once you have completed this process, Windows should load the desktop, at
which time you can install Jaws.

HTH,
Rick Justice

"Everything must be learned, but some things just can't be taught!"

- Original Message -
From: "wayne smith" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2015 1:47 PM
Subject: [JAWS-Users] JAWS and a new computer


My current laptop is malfunctioning and I purchased a new HP laptop.  I
chose one that uses Windows 7 because I have MS Office 2007 and Outlook 2007
and they serve my needs.  I am charging the computer now.  When I turn it on
for the first time it will have no speech capability so I don't know if it
will show instructions or updates on the screen.  I will load my JAWS 15 SMA
CD and run it.  Are there any traps or problems anybody has experienced in
starting their laptop for the first time?  Would it be a good idea to have
sighted help for that initial start?

Any wisdom will be appreciated.



Wayne

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[JAWS-Users] Upgrading to Windows 10, Microsoft Accessibility; Says sighted assistance necessary

[Neil Towery]

Hello Gang: 

 I tried to upgrade an older Dell laptop to Windows 10, yesterday, through
the MS Accessibility Help Desk. But, was unsuccessful, because I had so many
Windows 7 updates to download and install. Still having to download some
today. 

 However, here is my point. While talking to one of the MS helpers, he told
me, "Well, Sir, you know that when we do the download for Windows 10, there
will be a time, when there is no connection with us, and sighted assistance
will be necessary." I replied, "Well, I understand at that point, I can turn
on the narrator and complete it without sighted assistance."

He said, "I don't think that is really the case. You need sighted
assistance." 

 Well, according to the notes from Jim Flusche, The narrator is totally
useable, after the 10 install. Or did I misunderstand Jim's instructions? 

 Two final questions: 

1. Does FS send out CDs for the JAWS 17, for those of us with a SMA?  

2. Would a CD be a good thing to have for starting a new Windows 10
computer, or can that be done via narrator, as well. 

 Thanks. Have a great Sunday!

Neil 

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Purchasing computer with Windows 10; Installing JAWS & MS Office on it.

[Neil Towery]

Hello David: 
 Thanks a bunch for your reply. It encourages me to move forward, and look
into the future. 
Neil 
 

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From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2015 8:15 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Purchasing computer with Windows 10; Installing
JAWS & MS Office on it.

Hi Neil,
The answer to almost every question you asked is yes. The desktop works
exactly the same. You can use another email client Outlook, Windows Live
mail, or Thunderbird. The settings area is much easier to use. The start
area works even better. You can pin any programs to the start area. There
isn't that much to do to customize win 10 for what you want at all. It
really isn't that different to windows 7, but it is so much better, because
you have the tile apps in the start area. You can use those apps, and
download more usable free apps through the windows store. There is also
something called quick access. You can pin many programs to quick access and
set that to open by pressing windows + E. You can set default apps for your
browser, email, music player and so on. You will really love win 10 on a new
computer. Win 10 is also very quick and stable. It will only get better and
better with more up dates. Take care.


-Original Message-
From: Neil Towery
Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2015 10:05 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Purchasing computer with Windows 10;Installing JAWS &
MS Office on it.

Hello Gang:

Much of the conversation has centered around upgrading from Windows 7 or
8.1. There has not been much conversation about purchasing a computer with
Windows 10, already on it, and installing JAWS and MS Office on it.

So, I have several questions, about doing just that.

Many of us use only word, internet, and e-mail. And, some more are involved
with music. But, I don't do very much music on my computer. Just the main
three things mentioned earlier.

1. Does the desktop still "look" the same? In other words does windows D
take you directly to the desktop?

2. Can I place the programs there as in earlier versions of Windows?

3.   Can I put short cuts on the desktop the same way?

4. Does the start menu still work the same way? Can I put the three main
programs on it?

5. I understand Edge does not work very well. Can IE 11 be downloaded to the
desktop?

5. I think the same is true for the e-mail package that comes with Windows
10. Would I be able to install Outlook or WLM on the new computer?

6. How much of Jim Flush's customizing would be necessary to just do those
three main things - word, internet, and e-mail?

7. Can programs be activated from the start menu the same way?

Thanks for any and all input you knowledgeable folks may have! Appreciate it
a lot.

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Google Chrome is totally accessible

[Neil Towery]

How would we access your audio tutorial? Will you be doing a word document
file for it, anytime soon? 
Neil 


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Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2015 4:49 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Google Chrome is totally accessible

Hi all.
I have been experimenting with Google Chrome Browser, and I have found that
it is very accessible and easy to use. More than that, I can open the same
web site in half the time as with IE or Firefox. It never crashes, and it is
more stable than any other browser. It is the best browser when it comes to
streaming videos and other media by far. The video never pauses for example.
In IE, the same video pauses a few times for a few seconds. Also, Google
Chrome is the easiest browser to use. Yes, I am not kidding. Simply press
enter on the browser, and the home page opens. I have mine set to Google of
course. Now, just press alt and the screen reader will say chrome button. If
you press down arrow, every setting and menu you will ever need is in that
one vertical column. The history, delete history, book marks, are all in
that one vertical menu just by pressing the alt key on the home page. All
navigation JAWS short cut keys work in Google Chrome. I have not found
anything yet that is not accessible. Also, every JAWS key command works in
Chrome just like in IE. You can just press alt + D for the address bar for
example. I will continue to play around with Google Chrome a little more,
and I will be ready to do an Audio tutorial for you guys. You will not
believe just how much better Google Chrome is over any other browser. You
will hear it with your own ears when I send you the tutorial probably by
Friday. I know some of you will use Chrome as your default browser. God
bless and have a great night. Talk to all of you soon.
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[JAWS-Users] Purchasing computer with Windows 10; Installing JAWS & MS Office on it.

[Neil Towery]

Hello Gang: 

 Much of the conversation has centered around upgrading from Windows 7 or
8.1. There has not been much conversation about purchasing a computer with
Windows 10, already on it, and installing JAWS and MS Office on it. 

 So, I have several questions, about doing just that. 

Many of us use only word, internet, and e-mail. And, some more are involved
with music. But, I don't do very much music on my computer. Just the main
three things mentioned earlier. 

1. Does the desktop still "look" the same? In other words does windows D
take you directly to the desktop? 

2. Can I place the programs there as in earlier versions of Windows? 

3.   Can I put short cuts on the desktop the same way? 

4. Does the start menu still work the same way? Can I put the three main
programs on it? 

5. I understand Edge does not work very well. Can IE 11 be downloaded to the
desktop? 

5. I think the same is true for the e-mail package that comes with Windows
10. Would I be able to install Outlook or WLM on the new computer? 

6. How much of Jim Flush's customizing would be necessary to just do those
three main things - word, internet, and e-mail? 

7. Can programs be activated from the start menu the same way? 

 Thanks for any and all input you knowledgeable folks may have! Appreciate
it a lot.  

Neil 

  

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Outlook 2010 And Contract Groups

[Neil Towery]

 Funny I just went through this. Maybe you can tell me if they work for you.

1. While in the in box, hold down control and shift, and strike the letter
L, as in list. 
2. Type in the name , and tab to hear the name, again,  and strike enter. 
2a. Tab or shift tab to the radial button for name only or more columns. You
can arrow up or down to make sure it name only is selected. You do not want
"more columns" selected.   
3. Tab back to the extended list box. 
4. Arrow down to the name you want. Do not strike enter.  
5. Tab to the member greater button and strike the space bar.  
6. Shift tab back to the extended list, and arrow to the next name you want.

7. Tab to the member button and strike the space bar. 
8. After you have added all the names, tab to the OK button and strike the
space bar. 
9. The new group name may not appear in the extended list, until you have
re-started the computer. 
Adding names to an existing  group list
1. While in the in box, hold down control and strike the number 3.
2. Arrow down to the group list and strike enter. 
3. Hold down alt key, strike the letter H, then, strike the letter M.
4. Wait a few seconds and arrow to address book and strike enter. 
5. Shift tab to make sure that the "name only" radial button is selected,
instead of the "more columns" radial button. 
6. Tab to the extended list view. 
7. Arrow to the name you want to add. Don't strike enter!! 
8. Tab to the members greater button and strike the space bar. 
8A. Shift tab back to the extended list box and arrow to the name you want
to select. Tab to the add members button and strike enter. 
8B. Continue this process, until you have selected all the names you want. 
9. Tab to the OK button, and strike the space bar. 
10. Strike the escape key, until you are taken back to the in box. Or, hold
down control and shift, and strike the letter I. 
Neil 

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Does anyone have any steps on how to create a new contact group, formarly a
distribution list in Microsoft Outlook 2010?

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Windows Live and Jaws

[Neil Towery]

 I agree with you, Kevin. 
Neil 


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From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Kevin
Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2015 2:52 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Windows Live and Jaws

I really wish tutorials were text format, audio tutorials are very hard to
follow!

-Original Message-
From: David Moore
Sent: Tuesday, November 3, 2015 11:29 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Windows Live and Jaws

Hi there,
This is David Moore. I will paste the drop box links for two WLM tutorials
that will help you understand and do anything in WLM. Here are the links
below.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/t1l0vjjazxxsspi/Using%20Windows%20Live%20mail%20wi
th%20Jaws%20audio.m4a?dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/s/b3akb9xdogar13i/DemonstrationOnWindowsLiveMailForD
avidMoore.mp3?dl=0


-Original Message-
From: David Ferrin
Sent: Tuesday, November 3, 2015 6:51 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Windows Live and Jaws

control + shift + O and then tab over to what you are looking for. It's that
easy.

-Original Message-
From: Nicole Valicia Thompson-Andrews
Sent: Tuesday, November 3, 2015 12:03 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Windows Live and Jaws

Hi, is there a way to set Windows Live Mail to check for messages each
minute? Does anyone on the list have a Windows Live Tutorial? I know in
Outlook, you can set a number of minutes for messages.


Also, does anyone other than me use Adobe editions, if so, have you had
issue with text repeating at the book's beginning?

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[JAWS-Users] Almost accidentally installed Windows 10

[Neil Towery]

Hello Gang: 

 Currently using Windows 7 and latest JAWS 16. 

I have updates set to automatically download. So, I wanted to check to see
what updates had downloaded. 

 So, I struck the windows key. In the search box, I typed: check for
updates. I struck enter, and was faced with a "Get started button."  Dumb
me, I thought it meant get started looking at the updates that had been
automatically installed. 

 For some reason, at some point, I rooted jaws to the pc. Don't remember
why. I discovered that windows 10 was being downloaded. Found and selected
the stop download button. 

 So, it was that easy to screw up, and do something for which I am not
ready!! For those as dense as I am and not too tech savvy, be careful. 

 I went back and selected something other than "download automatically."
Probably, "download but let me decide what to install."  

 I am wandering around in unfamiliar territory. 

Neil 

 

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Re: [JAWS-Users] I need a step by step guide on how to set up a group in my outlook 2010

[Neil Towery]

David, 
 Steps one through three work fine to create the name of the group. However,
nothing after step 3 works for me. 
Alth + t does nothing and I cannot tab to the list of names in my contacts.
Please clarify the step after alt h + t. 
 Thanks. Neil 


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Behalf Of david
Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2015 3:37 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] I need a step by step guide on how to set up a
group in my outlook 2010

hello;

try the following;

1, ctrl+shift+l= create distribution list;

2, now type in the name of the distribution list;

3, tab once, you will hear the name of the list, press enter,

4, to add a contact press, alt+h+t
now tab to the list of contacts,
arrow and choose a contact you wish to add to the distribution list, now tab
and enter on, members button, the client will be added.

another way is,

1, create the list,
ctrl+shift+l,
type in the name of the distribution list, press the escape key, and say yes
to changes, so now the distribution list is created,

now, ctrl+shift+b=addressbook,
you land into a search edit,
so type in the name of the distribution list, tab once, you should see the
name, press enter, now press,
alt+h+t=add members
tab to the contacts list,
arrow to select a contact,
now tab enter on members button, contact will be added, tab ok press enter.

hope this helps.

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Behalf Of jim rawls
Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2015 2:44 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] I need a step by step guide on how to set up a group
in my outlook 2010

Hi All,

I want to select a specific group of folks from my contact list to send
specific emails too. So how do I do this? I am running W8.1, outlook 2010
and jaws 17. Thanks for your help with this. Jim

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Re: [JAWS-Users] I am not seeing my messages that I send to the list.

[Neil Towery]

 Yes. Have seen it several times. Good question, because I want to know the
same thing. 
Hope someone answers, soon. Neil 


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Behalf Of jim rawls
Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2015 2:56 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] I am not seeing my messages that I send to the list.

I posted an email about outlook 2010 and I don' see it. Did it get to the
list? Someone please tell me. Thanks. Jim

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Beware! Microsoft Plans to Push Windows 10 On Even More Windows 7 and 8 Systems

[Neil Towery]

 What do you mean? These statements are confusing to me. They seem to say 
precisely the same thing. 
Neil 


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Of inamuddin
Sent: Friday, October 30, 2015 6:33 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Beware! Microsoft Plans to Push Windows 10 On Even 
More Windows 7 and 8 Systems

Respected sir, I'm going to quote 2 scentences hoping that you will understand 
everything.
1.
Will, not force is the base of upgrading windows 10.
2.
Will not, force is the base of upgrading windows 10.
Now the question is where is  the right of my choice?
With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:
Charlsdarwin1


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Of David Ferrin
Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2015 3:25 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Beware! Microsoft Plans to Push Windows 10 On Even 
More Windows 7 and 8 Systems

I reviewed this article, personally I think it is wrong for them to force it on 
people.
David Ferrin
A complex system that does not work is invariably found to have evolved from a 
simpler system that worked perfectly.
- Original Message -
From: "Gerald Levy " 
To: 
Sent: Friday, October 30, 2015 4:23 PM
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Beware! Microsoft Plans to Push Windows 10 On Even More 
Windows 7 and 8 Systems



If you’re not ready yet for Windows 10, you need to read this article:

http://www.ghacks.net/2015/10/30/beware-microsoft-plans-to-push-windows-10-on-even-more-windows-7-and-8-systems/


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[JAWS-Users] Win 10 privacy settings

[Neil Towery]

Hello Jim and Others: 

 I copied below how to turn off the general settings for apps. 

 Will turning this off mean that one does not have to go any further to turn
off other app sharing? 

Neil 

 Begin Jim instructions on privacy: 

Settings, Privacy, Part 8 of 9.

 

***Remember use Insert key+Tab, to make Jaws repeat just the Tab control and
its current setting, while in the Settings area of w-10.

Remember the first item of a sub category is already selected when pressing
Enter on one of the 9 main categories, you can begin tabbing across without
pressing Enter.

 

**Privacy.

Press Windows key+I, for Settings.

Right arrow to Privacy, press enter.

The first item here is, General, you do not have to press Enter, just Tab
across.

1. *General.

Tab one time and Jaws will say:

Change privacy options, let Apps use my advertising ID for experiences
across Apps, turning this off will reset your ID Button.

Pressing Insert key+Tab, on this same Tab, Jaws will say:

Let Apps use my advertising ID for experiences across Apps, Turning this off
will reset your ID Button.

***Remember button means off, button checked means on.

 

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Win 10 privacy settings

[Neil Towery]

 Thanks. Will have to think about this a little while. 
 Have more coffee, now. Neil 


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Behalf Of jim
Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2015 12:47 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Win 10 privacy settings

Yes, as far as I know.
But if you turn this off, you may change how things display for you.
For example, Weather, some Apps like weather use your location, to give you
local information.
Same with Sports, News and others.
So, if you don't care about those things, then I guess you can turn this
off.
I have mine, turned on, so that I get relevant local information.
I hope this answers your question.


-Original Message-
From: Neil Towery
Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2015 12:11 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Win 10 privacy settings

Hello Jim and Others:

I copied below how to turn off the general settings for apps.

Will turning this off mean that one does not have to go any further to turn
off other app sharing?

Neil

Begin Jim instructions on privacy:

Settings, Privacy, Part 8 of 9.



***Remember use Insert key+Tab, to make Jaws repeat just the Tab control and
its current setting, while in the Settings area of w-10.

Remember the first item of a sub category is already selected when pressing
Enter on one of the 9 main categories, you can begin tabbing across without
pressing Enter.



**Privacy.

Press Windows key+I, for Settings.

Right arrow to Privacy, press enter.

The first item here is, General, you do not have to press Enter, just Tab
across.

1. *General.

Tab one time and Jaws will say:

Change privacy options, let Apps use my advertising ID for experiences
across Apps, turning this off will reset your ID Button.

Pressing Insert key+Tab, on this same Tab, Jaws will say:

Let Apps use my advertising ID for experiences across Apps, Turning this off
will reset your ID Button.

***Remember button means off, button checked means on.



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Watch the snowflakes as they fall, all are different, large and small Look
at the snowflakes as they fall, they are One of God's treasures, created for
all.
Consider Him, as the blizzard blows, let Him warm your heart, and give Him
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[JAWS-Users] JAWS says new paragraph and new line in word document

[Neil Towery]

Hello JAWS Gang: 

 When in a word document, JAWS is saying, "new paragraph," "new line," and
"new paragraph." 

 I did insert V and went through all that, but did not understand how to
change the noise. Also, went to Text processing  in the jaws default
settings, but understood none of that, either. 

 How do I turn this extra noise off? 

Thanks. Neil 

 

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[JAWS-Users] Downloading Windows 7 to an XP machine

[Neil Towery]

Hello Gang: 

 Can this be easily done? Will the word documents and e-mails still be there
afterwards? Using Outlook Express and MS Word 2003. JAWS 15.  

 Can Win 7 be downloaded from Windows.com

Thanks. Neil 

 

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Re: [JAWS-Users] is Avast! better than windows defender?

[Neil Towery]

Hello Charles: 
 When you say "click on a button", do you mean enter or the left mouse
button or right mouse button? When I strike enter, little happens. 
 How do you check for the last scan? 
 Thanks. Neil 


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Charles Krugman
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2015 2:47 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] is Avast! better than windows defender?

There definitely was a learning curve with the latest versions of AVG that
involves clicking on the buttons for the various categories and it appears
to go to different screens. I find that I have to use the JAWS cursor a lot
to get it to read details and on some occasions I have to use the Convenient
OCR feature of JAWS to get it focuseed. The other program that I used for a
while as a trial when I got a new computer was McAfee Livesafe. it worked
well with JAWS and I was satisfied with the effectiveness of the program.
Chuck

-Original Message-----
From: Neil Towery
Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2015 12:02 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] is Avast! better than windows defender?

Hello Gang:
Well, like most things, there is a wide range of views. I have a friend, who
uses Avast. He thinks highly of it.
An earlier post said that the paid version of AVG was accessible. Glad to
hear it for that person. I have the paid version of AVG, and don't really
find it very accessible.
For example, I can't figure out how to change the scan settings, even though
there exist a button for it under scan options. Also, if I arrow all the way
to the top or bottom of the page, JAWS goes silent.
A friend set up the schedule. I don't know how to determine when the last
scan occurred.
The only "voluntary" information I get from AVG is that "you are protected."
So, I don't know whether the inaccessibility is due to JAWS, AVG, or me.
Have a great day. Thanks. Neil


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Charles Krugman
Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2015 12:37 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] is Avast! better than windows defender?

Did Avast get their accessibility issues corrected because for a while it
wasn't accessible by screen reader users?
Chuck

-Original Message-
From: randy tijerina
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 7:44 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] is Avast! better than windows defender?

Hi friendsi have windows defender on my windows 10 pc
I'm thinking of using Avast!.
is that ok to install?
or is windowd defender just as good...or, better?


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Re: [JAWS-Users] is Avast! better than windows defender?

[Neil Towery]

 Thanks. Will try this step. I am using latest version of JAWS, 16.0.4463. 
Neil 


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Charles Krugman
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2015 10:31 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] is Avast! better than windows defender?

if you use the enter when your cursor is on one of the categories when you
click on it and use the Jaws cursor it will give you additional information
.What version of Jaws are you using as this might make a difference?
Chuck

-Original Message-
From: Neil Towery
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2015 6:56 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] is Avast! better than windows defender?

Hello Charles:
When you say "click on a button", do you mean enter or the left mouse button
or right mouse button? When I strike enter, little happens.
How do you check for the last scan?
Thanks. Neil


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Charles Krugman
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2015 2:47 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] is Avast! better than windows defender?

There definitely was a learning curve with the latest versions of AVG that
involves clicking on the buttons for the various categories and it appears
to go to different screens. I find that I have to use the JAWS cursor a lot
to get it to read details and on some occasions I have to use the Convenient
OCR feature of JAWS to get it focuseed. The other program that I used for a
while as a trial when I got a new computer was McAfee Livesafe. it worked
well with JAWS and I was satisfied with the effectiveness of the program.
Chuck

-Original Message-----
From: Neil Towery
Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2015 12:02 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] is Avast! better than windows defender?

Hello Gang:
Well, like most things, there is a wide range of views. I have a friend, who
uses Avast. He thinks highly of it.
An earlier post said that the paid version of AVG was accessible. Glad to
hear it for that person. I have the paid version of AVG, and don't really
find it very accessible.
For example, I can't figure out how to change the scan settings, even though
there exist a button for it under scan options. Also, if I arrow all the way
to the top or bottom of the page, JAWS goes silent.
A friend set up the schedule. I don't know how to determine when the last
scan occurred.
The only "voluntary" information I get from AVG is that "you are protected."
So, I don't know whether the inaccessibility is due to JAWS, AVG, or me.
Have a great day. Thanks. Neil


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Charles Krugman
Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2015 12:37 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] is Avast! better than windows defender?

Did Avast get their accessibility issues corrected because for a while it
wasn't accessible by screen reader users?
Chuck

-Original Message-
From: randy tijerina
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 7:44 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] is Avast! better than windows defender?

Hi friendsi have windows defender on my windows 10 pc
I'm thinking of using Avast!.
is that ok to install?
or is windowd defender just as good...or, better?


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Re: [JAWS-Users] [EXTERNAL] Favorite Email Programs

[Neil Towery]

 When using WLM 2012, does it automatically fill in the name in the "to"
field after typing some letters in the person's name? Is it free with
Microsoft Office 2010 or 2013?  
Neil 

Neil 


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Baracco, Andrew W
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2015 11:20 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] [EXTERNAL] Favorite Email Programs

I like Windows live Mail. Simple to use, and a lot like either Outlook or
Outlook Express.

Andy


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From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of brian albriton
Sent: Monday, October 19, 2015 7:30 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [EXTERNAL] [JAWS-Users] Favorite Email Programs

What email programs do you folks favor. I have a friend looking for
something other than outlook. If you would simply mentiona couple of
features you like, that might help.

Brian

 

Brian Albriton

iPhone 2136103315

cocanu...@ca.rr.com

 

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Re: [JAWS-Users] is Avast! better than windows defender?

[Neil Towery]

Hello Gang: 
 Well, like most things, there is a wide range of views. I have a friend,
who uses Avast. He thinks highly of it. 
 An earlier post said that the paid version of AVG was accessible. Glad to
hear it for that person. I have the paid version of AVG, and don't really
find it very accessible. 
 For example, I can't figure out how to change the scan settings, even
though there exist a button for it under scan options. Also, if I arrow all
the way to the top or bottom of the page, JAWS goes silent. 
 A friend set up the schedule. I don't know how to determine when the last
scan occurred. 
 The only "voluntary" information I get from AVG is that "you are
protected." 
 So, I don't know whether the inaccessibility is due to JAWS, AVG, or me. 
 Have a great day. Thanks. Neil 


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Charles Krugman
Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2015 12:37 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] is Avast! better than windows defender?

Did Avast get their accessibility issues corrected because for a while it
wasn't accessible by screen reader users?
Chuck

-Original Message-
From: randy tijerina
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 7:44 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] is Avast! better than windows defender?

Hi friendsi have windows defender on my windows 10 pc
I'm thinking of using Avast!.
is that ok to install?
or is windowd defender just as good...or, better?


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Re: [JAWS-Users] Time to Upgrade to IE 11

[Neil Towery]

Hello Gang: 
 I got a refurbished Windows 7 machine last year to replace an xp. Two
people have tried to upgrade to something higher than IE 9. Neither was
successful. 
 One of those techs was at the MS Accessibility desk. They got IE 11, but it
was unuseable, as in could not use the bank web site plus others. 
 I called MS back to roll it back to IE 9. Now, I have no problems. 
 Not sure what I am going to do with this news!
Neil

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Behalf Of Gerald Levy 
Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2015 10:13 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Time to Upgrade to IE 11


Microsoft recently announced that it will end support for older versions of
Internet Explorer on Jan. 12, 2016, less than three months from now, so if
you are running Windows 7 or later as most of us are, you will have to
upgrade to IE 11 in order to continue receiving security updates and
patches.  Beginning on that date, IE 10 and earlier will no longer be
supported for Windows 7, 8, 8.1 and 10.  So now may be a good time to
upgrade to IE 11 if you have not already done so, or consider switching to
Firefox full time if you are having trouble with IE 11.  Click below for
more details:

http://www.laninfotech.com/still-running-an-older-version-of-internet-explor
er-time-to-let-go-and-look-at-upgrading-before-time-runs-out/


Gerald 

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Re: [JAWS-Users] AVG 2016 Versus Microsoft Essentials

[Neil Towery]

Thanks. The AVG may would work, if installed properly. 
Neil 


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Mike
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2015 3:25 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] AVG 2016 Versus Microsoft Essentials

Neil,

I do not know what version of Windows that you are running, but MSE will not
on Windows 8 or later. However, prior to Windows 10, Windows Defender was
not secure enough to trust as your only antivirus program. In Windows 10
however, it has been upgraded, and is said to do a pretty good job. If you
are lookking for a free solution, there are scarcely few options out there. 
I would recommend Vipre antivirus or Internet security, among the paid
antivirus programs, it does seem to be the most accessable and reliable
product out there. I believe that a 1 PC, 1 year license will run around
$40, how ever, a lifetime subscr iption only cost about 2 years worth of
subscr iptions. This can be used at no further cost for the life of your
computer, and if you have more than one computer, they offer a 3 PC license
and some larger ones. There is a tutorial on how to use McAfee with Jaws on
the Windows 10 and Jaws mailing list web page, and it sounds as if it could
also be very accessable, though I have no information of its cost. You would
be welcome on that list if you would like to subscribe and download the
tutorial. Good luck in your search.

Mike
mike122e...@comcast.net


-Original Message-
From: Neil Towery
Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2015 11:22 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] AVG 2016 Versus Microsoft Essentials

Hello Gang:

About 2 weeks ago, a VA rep, with my permission, put AVG internet security
on my two computers. AVG assassinated JAWS. She recommended that it be
removed until "AVG gets their problem fixed."

By the way, when she installed AVG, she did not choose to make JAWS an
exception to AVG.

Her suggestion now is to install Microsoft Essentials, as the anti-virus
software.

I don't know one anti-virus software from another. I just know, in the past,
I have had AVG, without any problem.

Any recommendations between AVG and Microsoft Essentials?

Thanks a bunch. Neil



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Re: [JAWS-Users] AVG 2016 Versus Microsoft Essentials

[Neil Towery]

 Thanks for this information. Neil 


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Charles Krugman
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2015 2:32 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] AVG 2016 Versus Microsoft Essentials

I have used paid versions of AVG with JAWS for many years without any
trouble. I have been told that with both the free versions of AVG and
MicroSoft Essentials there are still vulnerabilits to computers. I dealt
with this with a friend who was using MicroSoft Essentials a couple of years
and he became so infected using it he required taking his computer for it to
be healed by the Geeksquad. For what its worth Microsoft Essentials does not
show up on most rating lists for antivirus programs so I guess it goes back
to the old addage "you get what uyou pay for." Buyer beware!
Chuck

-Original Message-----
From: Neil Towery
Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2015 9:22 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] AVG 2016 Versus Microsoft Essentials

Hello Gang:

About 2 weeks ago, a VA rep, with my permission, put AVG internet security
on my two computers. AVG assassinated JAWS. She recommended that it be
removed until "AVG gets their problem fixed."

By the way, when she installed AVG, she did not choose to make JAWS an
exception to AVG.

Her suggestion now is to install Microsoft Essentials, as the anti-virus
software.

I don't know one anti-virus software from another. I just know, in the past,
I have had AVG, without any problem.

Any recommendations between AVG and Microsoft Essentials?

Thanks a bunch. Neil



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Re: [JAWS-Users] AVG 2016 Versus Microsoft Essentials

[Neil Towery]

 Thanks for the information and hints. Will do.  
Neil 


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Scorpio Forever
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2015 6:54 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] AVG 2016 Versus Microsoft Essentials

I would also like to add that I've used MSE since it's release, and while
it's initial release left much to be desired, Since Windows 7, it's been
terrific.

I have not been infected at all since it's installation, and if you're
getting that many infections, then maybe it's time you reviewed your
downloading habits, and your e-mail security settings. If you're careful
about what you download, and don't just download indiscriminately, there's
no reason why one would get a virus.

Keep in mind that I am talking viruses and not spyware or malware, as those
are more like tracking beacons and items that are used to track your usage
on the Internet, and those can't be caught just using one program.  In order
to get complete results, one must use multiple malware and spyware detection
utilities because, as you may or may not know, there is no central database
of definitions in which to draw from, and so each company has their own list
of definitions.

Regardless of which, I don't think viruses are as rampant as these programs
would like us to believe, and with a modicum of caution and a once a week
scanning, one can avoid the hassles of viruses and their kin.  Grins.

Hope this helps.


Scorpio
-Original Message-
From: Mike
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2015 3:24 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] AVG 2016 Versus Microsoft Essentials

Neil,

I do not know what version of Windows that you are running, but MSE will not
on Windows 8 or later. However, prior to Windows 10, Windows Defender was
not secure enough to trust as your only antivirus program. In Windows 10
however, it has been upgraded, and is said to do a pretty good job. If you
are lookking for a free solution, there are scarcely few options out there.
I would recommend Vipre antivirus or Internet security, among the paid
antivirus programs, it does seem to be the most accessable and reliable
product out there. I believe that a 1 PC, 1 year license will run around
$40, how ever, a lifetime subscr iption only cost about 2 years worth of
subscr iptions. This can be used at no further cost for the life of your
computer, and if you have more than one computer, they offer a 3 PC license
and some larger ones. There is a tutorial on how to use McAfee with Jaws on
the Windows 10 and Jaws mailing list web page, and it sounds as if it could
also be very accessable, though I have no information of its cost. You would
be welcome on that list if you would like to subscribe and download the
tutorial. Good luck in your search.

Mike
mike122e...@comcast.net


-Original Message-
From: Neil Towery
Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2015 11:22 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] AVG 2016 Versus Microsoft Essentials

Hello Gang:

About 2 weeks ago, a VA rep, with my permission, put AVG internet security
on my two computers. AVG assassinated JAWS. She recommended that it be
removed until "AVG gets their problem fixed."

By the way, when she installed AVG, she did not choose to make JAWS an
exception to AVG.

Her suggestion now is to install Microsoft Essentials, as the anti-virus
software.

I don't know one anti-virus software from another. I just know, in the past,
I have had AVG, without any problem.

Any recommendations between AVG and Microsoft Essentials?

Thanks a bunch. Neil



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[JAWS-Users] AVG 2016 Versus Microsoft Essentials

[Neil Towery]

Hello Gang: 

 About 2 weeks ago, a VA rep, with my permission, put AVG internet security
on my two computers. AVG assassinated JAWS. She recommended that it be
removed until "AVG gets their problem fixed." 

 By the way, when she installed AVG, she did not choose to make JAWS an
exception to AVG. 

 Her suggestion now is to install Microsoft Essentials, as the anti-virus
software. 

 I don't know one anti-virus software from another. I just know, in the
past, I have had AVG, without any problem. 

 Any recommendations between AVG and Microsoft Essentials?  

 Thanks a bunch. Neil 

 

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Re: [JAWS-Users] AVG 2016 Versus Microsoft Essentials

[Neil Towery]

 Thanks, Shane. Neil 


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Shane Hecker
Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2015 3:00 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] AVG 2016 Versus Microsoft Essentials

If you're running Windows 7, I'd go with AVG. Have whoever installs it make
Jaws an exception and hopefully you should be fine. If running Windows 10,
you might be fine with it's built-in Windows Defender which is MSE
reincarnated. It's supposed to be much improved over its Windows
7 brother.

Shane

On 10/14/2015 11:22 AM, Neil Towery wrote:
> Hello Gang:
>
>   About 2 weeks ago, a VA rep, with my permission, put AVG internet 
> security on my two computers. AVG assassinated JAWS. She recommended 
> that it be removed until "AVG gets their problem fixed."
>
>   By the way, when she installed AVG, she did not choose to make JAWS 
> an exception to AVG.
>
>   Her suggestion now is to install Microsoft Essentials, as the 
> anti-virus software.
>
>   I don't know one anti-virus software from another. I just know, in 
> the past, I have had AVG, without any problem.
>
>   Any recommendations between AVG and Microsoft Essentials?
>
>   Thanks a bunch. Neil
>
>   
>
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Re: [JAWS-Users] How to see programs on an XP

[Neil Towery]

Thanks David and Mike. This helps. 
Neil 


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Behalf Of David Ferrin
Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2015 8:45 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How to see programs on an XP

windows + R then type in control and hit enter David Ferrin A complex system
that does not work is invariably found to have evolved from a simpler system
that worked perfectly.
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To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2015 8:28 PM
Subject: [JAWS-Users] How to see programs on an XP


Hello Gang:

 How would I go to the control panel on an XP machine? I want to see the
programs that are on the machine.

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Navigation tips for moving in the Settings area of w-10

[Neil Towery]

Thanks, Jim. Have not installed Win 10, yet, but am saving your instructions in 
word documents. 
 Think I will try Win 10 on a laptop, after JAWS 17 is released. 
Neil 


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Of jim
Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2015 1:35 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Navigation tips for moving in the Settings area of w-10

Hi group, I thought that I would share these tips with you, about Navigating 
the Settings area in w-10.

After pressing Windows key+I, You are now in the Settings area of w-10.
You are now in a horizontal list of 9 categories, this means a Left to right 
list of 9 categories.
Pressing Enter on any of these choices, will open a Vertical list of 
sub-categories, that means an up and down list of sub-categories.
The first item in the sub-categories is always already selected, this means you 
can begin Tabbing across the different Controls immediately.
If you want to look at any other sub-categories below the first one, just down 
arrow to the sub-category you want to look at and press enter.
Now you can tab across the various controls, under your selected sub-category.
Very important:
Jaws has a tendency to ramble on in the Settings area of w-10.
For Example:
When you select a sub-category, and tab to the first Control under that 
sub-category.
Jaws will read the sub-category information followed by the Control information 
of what Control you are on, followed by its current setting.
So, after getting use to how Jaws reads the various settings windows in w-10.
Press the Control key, to shut Jaws up.
Press the Insert key+Tab, To have Jaws repeat only the information about the 
selected Control you are sitting on, and its current setting.
What does current setting mean?
When you hear, Button or Button checked.
These are known as switches, Button checked, “the switch is on”, Button, “means 
the switch is off”.
Combo-box, Followed by the currently selected Choice in the Combo-box.
Use ALT+down arrow to open the Combo-box, if you want to change the choice.
Use your arrow keys to change the selected choice, followed by enter on the new 
choice, this will change what the Combo-box is displaying. 
Press Insert key+Tab, to read your new setting in the combo-box, to verify that 
you changed it correctly.
When you hear Radio button, followed by, it current selected Button.
Use the up or down arrow keys, to select the desired radio button, just Tab to 
your next Control.
When you hear list or open list, you are in a list of items, use the Down arrow 
to highlight, or to read through the list.
OK, let us look at the Setting window sub-category called System.
Windows key+I, for settings.
Press Enter on System.
You will hear, Display one of ten.
So, Display is already selected because it is the first item.
Please remember when tabbing across the Settings windows, you will always, 
eventually come to a Home button.
Pressing Spacebar or Enter on the Home button, will take you back to the main 
Category page of 9 horizontal Categories.
If you tab past this Home button, you will come to a Settings Search Edit box, 
You can type in a setting you are looking for and either press enter or tab one 
time to the list of possible results.
This is another way of searching in w-10 for different Settings.
If you Tab again, you will be back to the list of Sub-categories where you 
began.

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[JAWS-Users] How to see programs on an XP

[Neil Towery]

Hello Gang: 

 How would I go to the control panel on an XP machine? I want to see the
programs that are on the machine. 

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[JAWS-Users] Default arrangement of links, IE 11

[Neil Towery]

Hello Gang: 

 JAWS 16 and IE 11; Doing insert F7 arranges the links. 

 The default is in "tab order." So, to get them in alphabetical order, I
have to shift tab twice to change it. Then, tab back to the list. 

 Is there any way to make the default arrangement alphabetical instead of
tab order? Sure would save some time... not having to go through extra
steps. 

Thanks. 

Neil 

  

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Re: [JAWS-Users] book marks on a web page

[Neil Towery]

Control + shift and the letter K, as in kelo. 
Tab to add button and/or OK button. 
Neil 


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Behalf Of Mark Brett
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2015 6:43 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] book marks on a web page

What is the command to insert a bookmark? k + what?
Mark

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Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS, Outlook Express, Outlook

[Neil Towery]

 Sorry for these lame question, even though I think I know the answer. 
 Can Windows 7 be downloaded on to an XP machine for free, now? Can Win 7 be
purchased and downloaded to an XP machine?  
 Thanks. Neil 


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From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of TheHangMan
Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2015 4:43 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS, Outlook Express, Outlook

Neil,
Well, if I remember:
SMTP is 465

The POP is 995 for outlook express on  XP.
That's why you cannot send or receive mail.

I don't knowt, if outlook 2013 will work on XP, but it works great on wind7.

Jorge

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Neil Towery
Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2015 3:32 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS, Outlook Express, Outlook

 Cannot send or receive. Not sure about the error message and what it says.
I think she has an XP machine. 
 Hopefully, The MS help desk will help her switch to Outlook or WLM. 
Neil 
 

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2015 2:04 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS, Outlook Express, Outlook

Hi Neil,

What happens when she tries to send or receive mail?  Does she get an error
message?  If so, what is it?  Also, what operating system is she running? 
To my knowledge, the Microsoft Accessibility people won't help with Outlook
Express since it's not supported / used by Microsoft any more.
Take care.
Mike
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- Original Message -
From: Neil Towery
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2015 9:28 AM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS, Outlook Express, Outlook


Thanks for the suggestion. Did not know Outlook Express could be
re-installed.
Neil


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Tim Ford
Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2015 2:12 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS, Outlook Express, Outlook

Hi Neil,

I suggest instead doing a reinstall of Outlook Express, which is nice and
simple with JAWS, and if it had been working okay for her, why switch?  I
would have her contact the Microsoft disability services office.  They can
remote in to her computer and just handle all this.  In closing, I suspect
her contacts and data should all still be there, that it is just the
software that is messed up.

Tim Ford


-Original Message-
From: Neil Towery
Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2015 10:58 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] JAWS, Outlook Express, Outlook

Hello Gang:

A friend of mine has been using outlook express, which has become unusable
on her computer. Can neither send nor receive e-mails. Everything else seems
to be working on her computer. Internet connection is fine, and she uses
Frontier.

Will going to Outlook 2010 solve her problem? Secondly, will she be able to
import her contacts, and import all of the outlook express e-mails?

Can the Microsoft accessibility Help Desk assist her in that importing
effort?

Neil



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Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS, Outlook Express, Outlook

[Neil Towery]

 Thanks for the suggestion. Did not know Outlook Express could be
re-installed. 
Neil 


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Tim Ford
Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2015 2:12 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS, Outlook Express, Outlook

Hi Neil,

I suggest instead doing a reinstall of Outlook Express, which is nice and
simple with JAWS, and if it had been working okay for her, why switch?  I
would have her contact the Microsoft disability services office.  They can
remote in to her computer and just handle all this.  In closing, I suspect
her contacts and data should all still be there, that it is just the
software that is messed up.

Tim Ford


-Original Message-
From: Neil Towery
Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2015 10:58 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] JAWS, Outlook Express, Outlook

Hello Gang:

A friend of mine has been using outlook express, which has become unusable
on her computer. Can neither send nor receive e-mails. Everything else seems
to be working on her computer. Internet connection is fine, and she uses
Frontier.

Will going to Outlook 2010 solve her problem? Secondly, will she be able to
import her contacts, and import all of the outlook express e-mails?

Can the Microsoft accessibility Help Desk assist her in that importing
effort?

Neil



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Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS, Outlook Express, Outlook

[Neil Towery]

 Cannot send or receive. Not sure about the error message and what it says.
I think she has an XP machine. 
 Hopefully, The MS help desk will help her switch to Outlook or WLM. 
Neil 
 

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2015 2:04 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS, Outlook Express, Outlook

Hi Neil,

What happens when she tries to send or receive mail?  Does she get an error
message?  If so, what is it?  Also, what operating system is she running? 
To my knowledge, the Microsoft Accessibility people won't help with Outlook
Express since it's not supported / used by Microsoft any more.
Take care.
Mike
This email was sent from my, iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!

- Original Message -
From: Neil Towery
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2015 9:28 AM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS, Outlook Express, Outlook


Thanks for the suggestion. Did not know Outlook Express could be
re-installed.
Neil


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Tim Ford
Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2015 2:12 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS, Outlook Express, Outlook

Hi Neil,

I suggest instead doing a reinstall of Outlook Express, which is nice and
simple with JAWS, and if it had been working okay for her, why switch?  I
would have her contact the Microsoft disability services office.  They can
remote in to her computer and just handle all this.  In closing, I suspect
her contacts and data should all still be there, that it is just the
software that is messed up.

Tim Ford


-Original Message-
From: Neil Towery
Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2015 10:58 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] JAWS, Outlook Express, Outlook

Hello Gang:

A friend of mine has been using outlook express, which has become unusable
on her computer. Can neither send nor receive e-mails. Everything else seems
to be working on her computer. Internet connection is fine, and she uses
Frontier.

Will going to Outlook 2010 solve her problem? Secondly, will she be able to
import her contacts, and import all of the outlook express e-mails?

Can the Microsoft accessibility Help Desk assist her in that importing
effort?

Neil



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[JAWS-Users] JAWS, Outlook Express, Outlook

[Neil Towery]

Hello Gang: 

 A friend of mine has been using outlook express, which has become unusable
on her computer. Can neither send nor receive e-mails. Everything else seems
to be working on her computer. Internet connection is fine, and she uses
Frontier. 

 Will going to Outlook 2010 solve her problem? Secondly, will she be able to
import her contacts, and import all of the outlook express e-mails? 

 Can the Microsoft accessibility Help Desk assist her in that importing
effort? 

Neil 

 

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[JAWS-Users] AVG killed JAWS

[Neil Towery]

Hello Gang: 

 A VA rep installed AVG 2015 on a desktop and laptop in the past few days.
JAWS was killed on both computers. 

 Is that a problem with AVG 2015? Or, were we suppose to tell AVG to leave
JAWS alone? Neither she nor I did that. And, I received no prompts asking if
there were to be any exceptions to the A V G doing its job. 

 So, who screwed up.us or A V G? 

 If it was us, how do I solve the problem, if I put A V G back on the
computers? 

 Thanks. Neil 

 

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Re: [JAWS-Users] AVG killed JAWS

[Neil Towery]

 It is AVG Internet Security(not the free version), and they installed it
with my permission. 
 I talked to an FS rep today, and he said that we should have made JAWS an
exception, when the AVG was installed. Apparently, there is a way to do
that. I have no experience in installing anti-virus software. 
 I think what we will do is re-install AVG, and go through the steps to make
Freedom Scientific software an exception. 
 So, it sounds like there is plenty of blame to go around, including the VA
rep and me. 
 Thanks for your valuable input. 
Neil 


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From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Shane Hecker
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2015 4:45 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] AVG killed JAWS

I'm not sure AVG is the one for all the blame in this case. I'd say the VA
had no business installing software unless they asked first. I personally
have AVG free 2015 on 2 computers, both running Jaws
16.0.4350 and don't have any problems. I'd be curious as to which version of
AVG was installed. If they installed a trial of AVG Internet Security I
could see that messing with Jaws. In particular, the firewall could be
blocking Jaws from running, in which case you would probably have to pull up
Narrator to find this out. This assumes that Narrator can read the dialog
box presented by AVG. Jaws works for reading the boxes, but NVDA for example
has problems.

Shane

On 10/1/2015 2:14 PM, Bob Edenhofer wrote:
> AVG's the one who screwed up!
>
> -Original Message----- From: Neil Towery
> Sent: Thursday, October 1, 2015 2:23 PM
> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
> Subject: [JAWS-Users] AVG killed JAWS
>
> Hello Gang:
>
> A VA rep installed AVG 2015 on a desktop and laptop in the past few days.
> JAWS was killed on both computers.
>
> Is that a problem with AVG 2015? Or, were we suppose to tell AVG to 
> leave JAWS alone? Neither she nor I did that. And, I received no 
> prompts asking if there were to be any exceptions to the A V G doing 
> its job.
>
> So, who screwed up.us or A V G?
>
> If it was us, how do I solve the problem, if I put A V G back on the 
> computers?
>
> Thanks. Neil
>
>
>
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[JAWS-Users] Activating difficult buttons.

[Neil Towery]

Hello Gang: 

 On many occasions, I strike the space bar on a button, and it does not do
anything. Striking enter does nothing; Nor does shift plus enter work.
Application does nothing.  

 Someone can use a mouse and activate the button. How do you activate
aggravating buttons, whether on a web page or otherwise? 

 Thanks. Neil 

 

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Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS-Users-List Digest, Vol 365, Issue 6

[Neil Towery]

OK. Neil 


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of David Ferrin
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2015 3:21 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS-Users-List Digest, Vol 365, Issue 6

It is another screen reader and as such off topic for this list.
David Ferrin
A complex system that does not work is invariably found to have evolved from

a simpler system that worked perfectly.
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Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2015 11:26 AM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS-Users-List Digest, Vol 365, Issue 6


What is NVDA?  I have seen it mentioned numerous times.
Neil


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Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2015 4:17 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS-Users-List Digest, Vol 365, Issue 6

You guys need to listen to Bob, Jene, and me. We all have windows 10 and
love it. This paranoia needs to stop on this list so we can get back to
business about how to get the most out of NVDA.

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Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2015 14:21:22 -0400
From: "John Justice" <john_just...@verizon.net>
To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com>
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Upgrading to JAWS 16
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Hi Kate,
I'll answer each question in the sequence you provided.


I need to know how to sa

Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS-Users-List Digest, Vol 365, Issue 6

[Neil Towery]

What is NVDA?  I have seen it mentioned numerous times. 
Neil 


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Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS-Users-List Digest, Vol 365, Issue 6

You guys need to listen to Bob, Jene, and me. We all have windows 10 and 
love it. This paranoia needs to stop on this list so we can get back to 
business about how to get the most out of NVDA.

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   3. Re: Upgrading to JAWS 16 (Pinky)
   4. Re; keyboard recommendation (Justin Mc.devitt )
   5. Re: Re; keyboard recommendation (John M.)
   6. How to set up a pin password  log-in in w-10 (jim)
   7. Re: How to set up a pin password  log-in in w-10 (Trish)
   8. Re: Upgrading to JAWS 16 (Kimsan)
   9. Re: How to set up a pin password  log-in in w-10 (jim)
  10. Re: How to set up a pin password  log-in in w-10 (Trish)
  11. Re: How to set up a pin password  log-in in w-10 (jim)
  12. Re: How to set up a pin password  log-in in w-10 (Trish)
  13. Re: Upgrading to JAWS 16 (Mike)
  14. Re: Re; keyboard recommendation (Mike)
  15. Refresh  me, how to add a  place marker on a  Web page...
  (Marion Woods)
  16. live mail 2015 question (David Ferrin)
  17. windows live mail revisited (David Ferrin)
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  (Marion Woods)
  21. Re: windows live mail revisited (Trish)
  22. Re: live mail 2015 question (Kimsan)
  23. Re: live mail 2015 question (David Ferrin)
  24. Re: Upgrading to JAWS 16 (Catherine Walsh)
  25. Re: windows live mail revisited (David Ferrin)
  26. Re: live mail 2015 question (jim)
  27. Re: live mail 2015 question (jim)
  28.  live mail 2015 question (kimsans...@charter.net)
  29. Place marker on a Web page, copying text from that mark?...
  (Tim Ford)
  30. Using Windows key+E, to open your This PC in w-10 (jim)
  31. Re: live mail 2015 question (Janie Degenshein)
  32. Re: Using Windows key+E, to open your This PC in w-10
  (George Martinez CPA)
  33.  Using Windows key+E, to open your This PC in w-10
  (kimsans...@charter.net)
  34. Re: Place marker on a Web page, copying text from that
  mark?... (Alan Robbins)
  35. Re: live mail 2015 question (David Ferrin)
  36. Re: live mail 2015 question (David Ferrin)
  37. Re: live mail 2015 question (David Ferrin)
  38. Re: live mail 2015 question (jim)
  39. Re: Using Windows key+E, to open your This PC in w-10 (jim)
  40. Re: Using Windows key+E, to open your This PC in w-10 (jim)
  41. Re: live mail 2015 question (jim)
  42. Some helpful navigation shortcut keystrokes for w-10 (jim)
  43. Re: Using Windows key+E, to open your This PC in w-10 (Mike B.)
  44. Re: Some helpful navigation shortcut keystrokes for w-10 (Mike B.)


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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2015 14:21:22 -0400
From: "John Justice" 
To: 
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Upgrading to JAWS 16
Message-ID: <002101d0f6f5$d103ec20$730bc460$@verizon.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII

Hi Kate,
I'll answer each question in the sequence you provided.


I need to know how to save the new version to my desktop and how to create a
hot key for it.
If you install Jaws 16 on your computer, it will automatically create a
desktop icon for you. Freedom Scientific assumes that you will want to use
the new software right away.

Can I leave the old version of JAWS on the desktop?
Yes, you can.  They will be marked Jaws 13 and Jaws 16.

Also will my computer start up each time with the new version of JAWS?
It will if you set it up that way.
After installing Jaws 16, presss INSERT+J to reach the Jaws window.  You
will be presented with a menu.  If you press ALT+O  you'll be taken to the
Options menu.  The first choice in that menu is Basics. The title is
followed by three dots.  That means that you have to press Enter to open the
menu.
Within 

[JAWS-Users] Repair JAWS

[Neil Towery]

Hello Gang: 

 I ran the FS utility tool in preparation of installing Win 10, at some
point. Now, when JAWS comes up I get a message about the FS mirror displays.


 Then, a message saying to repair JAWS, if a re-boot does not work. The
message says something about running the setup files and typing repair into
some edit field. 

 However, I can't accomplish their task, because I can't find the things
they discuss. 

 Is there some other, easier way to repair JAWS? 

 Thanks a bunch. Neil 

 

 

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Re: [JAWS-Users] live mail 2015 question

[Neil Towery]

How do we listen to your recording? 
Neil 


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of David Ferrin
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2015 10:40 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] live mail 2015 question

Yes I could do such a thing but it might be quicker to simply record myself 
doing it instead of writing it all out. Is that what you are asking for, a 
tutorial on doing signatures in live mail 2015? 

FYI I figured out in windows 10 how to record JAWS on the same channel as my 
own voice so that the sound quality IMO is pretty good. 
David Ferrin
A complex system that does not work is invariably found to have evolved from a 
simpler system that worked perfectly.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Kimsan
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2015 9:50 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] live mail 2015 question

Can you tell the list how you do the signature with the specified file?
It's not rocket science to me.

Kimsan Song
kimsans...@charter.net

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of David Ferrin
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2015 5:15 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] live mail 2015 question

I just love computers when they don’t do what you want them to do even though 
it has been done correctly. If you are interested then read on as I explain. 

Now I have configured many a signature line in my day and I know how to set 
things so that all new messages along with replies and forwards always get the 
appropriate signature attached. Having said that in this case my signature 
lines only show up on new messages and that’s all. 

I always use a specified file for my signature lines so that if I ever decide 
to change my signature for any reason it is much easier since all I have to do 
is edit the file rather than going to tools, options, and flipping past 5 or 6 
tabs to get where I want to go and fiddle with all of that stuff. 

FYI I’ve done this in outlook express, outlook 2000, 2003, 2007 and if there 
was any other program in my past I am drawing a blank as to what it was at this 
moment. The point is it’s not rocket science, it just won’t work right. 
David Ferrin
You don't have to be crazy to run a list like this, but it does help.
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Re: [JAWS-Users] Repair JAWS

[Neil Towery]

Thanks. Will give it a shot.  Neil 


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of jim
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2015 12:13 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Repair JAWS

Hi just press the spacebar on that message.
Jaws does not use the mirror drivers in w-10.
The tool is just preparing your system for w-10.

-Original Message-
From: Neil Towery
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2015 11:54 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Repair JAWS

Hello Gang:

I ran the FS utility tool in preparation of installing Win 10, at some
point. Now, when JAWS comes up I get a message about the FS mirror displays.


Then, a message saying to repair JAWS, if a re-boot does not work. The
message says something about running the setup files and typing repair into
some edit field.

However, I can't accomplish their task, because I can't find the things they
discuss.

Is there some other, easier way to repair JAWS?

Thanks a bunch. Neil





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Re: [JAWS-Users] issue for portable jaws

[Neil Towery]

Hello Mike: 
 Wow. This is a lot of great information!! Most of it new to me. I will have
to take some time to digest it. 
 However, I will copy and paste it into a word document for easy reference. 
 Thanks a bunch. Neil 


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Mike O'Brien
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 11:20 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] issue for portable jaws

Hi

You can put both the 32 bit and the 64 bit versions of JAWS portable on the
same thumb drive assuming it's large enough to hold them.  For JAWS 15
portable, it looks like the download files and the extracted files will need
around 200 MEG.  After you've downloaded both the 32 bit and the 64 bit
files from FS, copy them to the thumb drive.  Now press enter on one of the
downloaded files.  The first screen that appears asks where you want to
extract the files to.  The default is the high-level folder of the thumb
drive.  Assuming you chose the 32 bit version, tab once and you'll be on an
edit box that specifies the high level folder of the thumb drive (Drive
Letter colon backslash).  Press the end key to move past the backslash and
enter a folder name such as JAWS15-32.  Then tab to the next button and
press enter.  Now all of the JAWS portable files for the version you chose
will be placed in the folder you specified.  Now repeat the steps above to
extract the files for the other version and specify a folder name like
JAWS15-64, assuming you are now installing the 64 bit version.  Using
Windows 7, I don't believe I've ever seen an auto run dialog popup
automatically.  So I create a startup file in the thumb drive high-level
folder to start JAWS  portable.  In the high-level folder create a DOS batch
file with a name like JAWS15.bat.  The file extension must be .bat.  Now
position on the newly created file and press the applications key or
shift+f10 to bring up the context menu.  Arrow down one time to edit and
press enter to open.  Now copy the 6 lines that follow and paste them into
the open batch file.  Make sure the folder name in the batch file match what
you named the folders.  Then press control+s to save and alt+f4 to close.

@echo off
if "#%programFiles(x86)%#" neq "##" (
start JAWS15-64\jfw.exe
goto :eof
)
start JAWS15-32\jfw.exe

This batch file will start the appropriate 32 or 64 bit version of JAWS
portable.Now all you'll need to start JAWS portable is the drive letter
where the thumb drive is installed.  If the thumb drive opens when the thumb
drive is inserted, move to the batch file and ;press enter, or press Windows
key+r for the run dialog, type  Drive letter colon backslash batch file
name.bat.


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Neil Towery
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 03:37
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] issue for portable jaws

Hello George: 
 I have read the instructions from the link you provided. I pasted them into
a word document, for easy access. 
 However, I have two questions:
1.  Since we never know whether we will be trying to use the thumb drive on
a 32 or 64 bit computer, how does one know which one to download to the
thumb drive? 
2.  Secondly, it seems to me that a sighted person needs to be available,
when the thumb drive is plugged into the second computer. Otherwise, we
never know whether the auto run dialogue appears. Is that correct? 
Neil 

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Mike
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2015 4:16 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] issue for portable jaws

Ravi,

Go to the following web page. Here it has the instructions written out on
the web page, and the download links for the JAWS USB applications, and the
Video Intercept files. Download the appropriate ones for the computers that
you will be using JAWS on. The instructions are fairly simple, and you
should get them in one or two readings. If not, then copy them and paste
them into a text document.

http://www.freedomscientific.com/Downloads/Jaws/JawsMagicUSBDownloads

Mike
mike@comcast.net


-Original Message-
From: Ravi Paswan
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 10:42 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] issue for portable jaws

tel me friend how to creat a portable copy of jaws.
because I have read some information from jaws website
www.freedomscientific.com and download sub menue.
but I am follow the all stap but it is not make  it.
so tel me friend some thing extra about this matter.
that how to creat a portable copy of jaws.
if be posible my dear friend please kindly send me a  tutorial audio and
text to creat a portable copy of jaws.
thank you.

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Re: [JAWS-Users] issue for portable jaws

[Neil Towery]

Hello Mike: 
  I got the 32 bit download on the thumb drive. And, could do the 64 bit,
since you made it easy. How would a sighted person determine whether they
had a 32 or 64 bit computer? My wife has an HP, with Windows 10,  that is
about 2 or 3 years old. I want to try the thumb drive in it, even though she
has not warmed to the idea .  
 Seems like I heard at some time that all HP computers are 64 bit. But, how
can we be sure? 
 Thanks. Neil 
 

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Mike O'Brien
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 11:20 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] issue for portable jaws

Hi

You can put both the 32 bit and the 64 bit versions of JAWS portable on the
same thumb drive assuming it's large enough to hold them.  For JAWS 15
portable, it looks like the download files and the extracted files will need
around 200 MEG.  After you've downloaded both the 32 bit and the 64 bit
files from FS, copy them to the thumb drive.  Now press enter on one of the
downloaded files.  The first screen that appears asks where you want to
extract the files to.  The default is the high-level folder of the thumb
drive.  Assuming you chose the 32 bit version, tab once and you'll be on an
edit box that specifies the high level folder of the thumb drive (Drive
Letter colon backslash).  Press the end key to move past the backslash and
enter a folder name such as JAWS15-32.  Then tab to the next button and
press enter.  Now all of the JAWS portable files for the version you chose
will be placed in the folder you specified.  Now repeat the steps above to
extract the files for the other version and specify a folder name like
JAWS15-64, assuming you are now installing the 64 bit version.  Using
Windows 7, I don't believe I've ever seen an auto run dialog popup
automatically.  So I create a startup file in the thumb drive high-level
folder to start JAWS  portable.  In the high-level folder create a DOS batch
file with a name like JAWS15.bat.  The file extension must be .bat.  Now
position on the newly created file and press the applications key or
shift+f10 to bring up the context menu.  Arrow down one time to edit and
press enter to open.  Now copy the 6 lines that follow and paste them into
the open batch file.  Make sure the folder name in the batch file match what
you named the folders.  Then press control+s to save and alt+f4 to close.

@echo off
if "#%programFiles(x86)%#" neq "##" (
start JAWS15-64\jfw.exe
goto :eof
)
start JAWS15-32\jfw.exe

This batch file will start the appropriate 32 or 64 bit version of JAWS
portable.Now all you'll need to start JAWS portable is the drive letter
where the thumb drive is installed.  If the thumb drive opens when the thumb
drive is inserted, move to the batch file and ;press enter, or press Windows
key+r for the run dialog, type  Drive letter colon backslash batch file
name.bat.


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Neil Towery
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 03:37
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] issue for portable jaws

Hello George: 
 I have read the instructions from the link you provided. I pasted them into
a word document, for easy access. 
 However, I have two questions:
1.  Since we never know whether we will be trying to use the thumb drive on
a 32 or 64 bit computer, how does one know which one to download to the
thumb drive? 
2.  Secondly, it seems to me that a sighted person needs to be available,
when the thumb drive is plugged into the second computer. Otherwise, we
never know whether the auto run dialogue appears. Is that correct? 
Neil 

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Mike
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2015 4:16 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] issue for portable jaws

Ravi,

Go to the following web page. Here it has the instructions written out on
the web page, and the download links for the JAWS USB applications, and the
Video Intercept files. Download the appropriate ones for the computers that
you will be using JAWS on. The instructions are fairly simple, and you
should get them in one or two readings. If not, then copy them and paste
them into a text document.

http://www.freedomscientific.com/Downloads/Jaws/JawsMagicUSBDownloads

Mike
mike@comcast.net


-Original Message-
From: Ravi Paswan
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 10:42 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] issue for portable jaws

tel me friend how to creat a portable copy of jaws.
because I have read some information from jaws website
www.freedomscientific.com and download sub menue.
but I am follow the all stap but it is not make  it.
so tel me friend some thing extra about this matter.
that how to creat a portable copy of ja

Re: [JAWS-Users] issue for portable jaws

[Neil Towery]

 There is a way to put JAWS on a thumb drive so you can go plug it into a
computer, without jaws, and jaws will work on the computer. Then, when you
are through, just unplug the thumb drive. 
 However, I don't know exactly how to do this. Just trying to understand it
and learn how to do it. 
 Not there yet. 
Neil 


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of petras
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2015 3:33 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] issue for portable jaws

What are you talking about? A jaws portable? Jaws is portable.

 - Original Message -
From: "Neil Towery " <neiltow...@sc.rr.com
To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Date sent: Tue, 22 Sep 2015 15:07:04 -0400
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] issue for portable jaws

Hello Mike:
 Wow.  This is a lot of great information!! Most of it new to me.  
I will have
to take some time to digest it.
 However, I will copy and paste it into a word document for easy reference.
 Thanks a bunch.  Neil


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List 
[mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Mike O'Brien
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 11:20 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] issue for portable jaws

Hi

You can put both the 32 bit and the 64 bit versions of JAWS 
portable on the
same thumb drive assuming it's large enough to hold them.  For 
JAWS 15
portable, it looks like the download files and the extracted 
files will need
around 200 MEG.  After you've downloaded both the 32 bit and the 
64 bit
files from FS, copy them to the thumb drive.  Now press enter on 
one of the
downloaded files.  The first screen that appears asks where you 
want to
extract the files to.  The default is the high-level folder of 
the thumb
drive.  Assuming you chose the 32 bit version, tab once and 
you'll be on an
edit box that specifies the high level folder of the thumb drive 
(Drive
Letter colon backslash).  Press the end key to move past the 
backslash and
enter a folder name such as JAWS15-32.  Then tab to the next 
button and
press enter.  Now all of the JAWS portable files for the version 
you chose
will be placed in the folder you specified.  Now repeat the steps 
above to
extract the files for the other version and specify a folder name 
like
JAWS15-64, assuming you are now installing the 64 bit version.  
Using
Windows 7, I don't believe I've ever seen an auto run dialog 
popup
automatically.  So I create a startup file in the thumb drive 
high-level
folder to start JAWS  portable.  In the high-level folder create 
a DOS batch
file with a name like JAWS15.bat.  The file extension must be 
.bat.  Now
position on the newly created file and press the applications key 
or
shift+f10 to bring up the context menu.  Arrow down one time to 
edit and
press enter to open.  Now copy the 6 lines that follow and paste 
them into
the open batch file.  Make sure the folder name in the batch file 
match what
you named the folders.  Then press control+s to save and alt+f4 
to close.

@echo off
if "#%programFiles(x86)%#" neq "##" (
start JAWS15-64\jfw.exe
goto :eof
)
start JAWS15-32\jfw.exe

This batch file will start the appropriate 32 or 64 bit version 
of JAWS
portable.Now all you'll need to start JAWS portable is the 
drive letter
where the thumb drive is installed.  If the thumb drive opens 
when the thumb
drive is inserted, move to the batch file and ;press enter, or 
press Windows
key+r for the run dialog, type  Drive letter colon backslash 
batch file
name.bat.


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List 
[mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Neil Towery
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 03:37
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] issue for portable jaws

Hello George:
 I have read the instructions from the link you provided.  I 
pasted them into
a word document, for easy access.
 However, I have two questions:
1.  Since we never know whether we will be trying to use the 
thumb drive on
a 32 or 64 bit computer, how does one know which one to download 
to the
thumb drive?
2.  Secondly, it seems to me that a sighted person needs to be 
available,
when the thumb drive is plugged into the second computer.  
Otherwise, we
never know whether the auto run dialogue appears.  Is that 
correct?
Neil

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List 
[mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Mike
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2015 4:16 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] issue for portable jaws

Ravi,

Go to the following web page.  Here it has the instructions 
written out on
the web page, and the download links for the JAWS USB 
applications, and the
Video Intercept files.  Download the appropriate ones for the 
computers that
you will be using JAWS on.  The instructions are fairly simple, 
and you
sh

Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS Smart Navigation: How much do you understand?

[Neil Towery]

Thanks for this very clear explanation. Alleluia. Neil 


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of valiant8086
Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2015 10:19 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS Smart Navigation: How much do you understand?

Hi.
If you don't use smart navigation, everything behaves as before. Say word,
Say Character are not quick navigation keys, but those two are the ones
affected by smart navigation, when smart navigation is in affect, these keys
require two quick presses to allow you to navigate the text character by
character or word by word. This is because the arrow keys otherwise navigate
by element, so one press of right arrow for instance might go to a link, or
perhaps a button, you won't be able to use arrow keys to spell the name of
the button for instance if you don't understand what it says unless you do
sayCharacter keystroke twice quickly, thereafter the arrow keys will read
the name of the button character by character as you'd expect.

Remember, smart navigation is off by default anyway, and that only really
affects sayWord and sayCharacter keystrokes. They do recommend however that
you use semi auto forms mode or manual, because navigation quick keys like h
won't work very well if you have smart navigation on, and fully auto forms
mode, because if you arrow onto an edit box it will enable forms mode, then
if you try to use h it'll just type h in the box instead of going to next
heading, and you won't be able to get out of the box with arrow keys I
suspect (not verified) until you hit escape.

Navigation quick keys really are not affected in any way by smart
navigation, but the auto forms mode setting remains with the same 3 options
as in jaws 16. If you leave smart navigation off jaws will behave exactly as
it did in version 16 when it comes to web pages in every way to the best of
my knowledge.

Also, yes, smart navigation will be new to JAWS 17.


Cheers, Aaron Spears, general Partner - Valiant Galaxy Associates Developing
"very good audiogames" for the blind community http://valiantGalaxy.com Sent
with Thunderbird 38.2.0 portable On 9/19/2015 5:17 PM, Neil Towery wrote:
>   I changed the subject line to reflect your question concerning how 
> much we understand.
>   Doesn't look like the current smart navigation. Did not notice that 
> striking certain keys, such as H, would jump from heading  to heading.
>   Looks like we have to do three keystrokes to get the same thing we 
> now get with one keystroke.
>   They are talking about doing the keystrokes twice quickly.
>   Where is the option to have it like it is in windows 7?
> Neil
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] 
> On Behalf Of inamuddin khan
> Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 3:09 PM
> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS Smart Navigation
>
> Respected friend, here is the detail of smart navigation of jaws 17.
> Read and let me know how much have you understood!
> Smart Navigation, More Efficient Interaction with Complex Web Pages 
> and Applications Today and in the future, users will be faced with an 
> increased need to work with complex web forms, tables, and even 
> applications that run inside of a web browser. This will impact your 
> day to day interactions with services on-line such as banking and 
> shopping, in addition to many web apps found in both companies and 
> government agencies. For instance, Internet Explorer can be used to 
> log onto a Microsoft SharePoint server to collaborate with other 
> co-workers and create and store documents. The new Smart Navigation 
> feature is designed to make it more efficient when navigating 
> web-based applications with the Virtual Cursor as the LEFT and RIGHT 
> ARROW or CTRL+LEFT and
> CTRL+RIGHT ARROW commands move by control instead of character and word.
> This makes navigation such as moving across toolbars, tab strips, and 
> navigation links more like navigating around a desktop application. 
> Pressing the Say Character, Say Word, or Say Line commands twice 
> quickly changes to the traditional navigation by character, word, 
> line, sentence, and paragraph so you can review the text of the 
> control. Smart Navigation resumes when you press ESC, or move to a 
> different control by pressing UP or DOWN ARROW or TAB.
>
> For example, if you use the LEFT and RIGHT ARROW keys to move across a 
> tab strip, you might hear JAWS announce something like; "Home tab
selected,"
> "Insert tab," and "Page Layout tab." If you wanted to review the items 
> on the tab strip character by character, press the Say Character (NUM 
> PAD 5), Say Word (INSERT+NUM PAD 5), or Say Line (INSERT+UP ARROW) 

Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS Smart Navigation

[Neil Towery]

 Thanks. OK, I have been using them, without really knowing the name smart
navigation. Kind of thought they were called quick keys. 
 Have a nice weekend. Neil 


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Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 1:16 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS Smart Navigation

Hi Neil,

It's called, Navigation Quick Keys, & here's its description:
Navigation Quick Keys let you move through Web pages with easy to remember
commands, such as T for table, F for form field, N for non link text, and V
for visited link. These commands are only available when the Virtual Cursor
is active. Use these radio buttons to set Navigation Quick Keys off, on, or
on only during Say All reading. The default is on.

Take care.
Mike
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From: Neil Towery
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 6:43 AM
Subject: [JAWS-Users] JAWS Smart Navigation


Hello Gang:

 Exactly what is the JAWS smart navigation, to which several of  you have
commented? Is that just the keys like H to jump to headings, V for visited
links, et cetra?

 If not that, what is it? What does it do? And, how do you activate smart
navigation?

Neil



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Re: [JAWS-Users] issue for portable jaws

[Neil Towery]

Hello George: 
 I have read the instructions from the link you provided. I pasted them into
a word document, for easy access. 
 However, I have two questions:
1.  Since we never know whether we will be trying to use the thumb drive on
a 32 or 64 bit computer, how does one know which one to download to the
thumb drive? 
2.  Secondly, it seems to me that a sighted person needs to be available,
when the thumb drive is plugged into the second computer. Otherwise, we
never know whether the auto run dialogue appears. Is that correct? 
Neil 

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Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2015 4:16 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] issue for portable jaws

Ravi,

Go to the following web page. Here it has the instructions written out on
the web page, and the download links for the JAWS USB applications, and the
Video Intercept files. Download the appropriate ones for the computers that
you will be using JAWS on. The instructions are fairly simple, and you
should get them in one or two readings. If not, then copy them and paste
them into a text document.

http://www.freedomscientific.com/Downloads/Jaws/JawsMagicUSBDownloads

Mike
mike@comcast.net


-Original Message-
From: Ravi Paswan
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 10:42 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] issue for portable jaws

tel me friend how to creat a portable copy of jaws.
because I have read some information from jaws website
www.freedomscientific.com and download sub menue.
but I am follow the all stap but it is not make  it.
so tel me friend some thing extra about this matter.
that how to creat a portable copy of jaws.
if be posible my dear friend please kindly send me a  tutorial audio and
text to creat a portable copy of jaws.
thank you.

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Re: [JAWS-Users] issue for portable jaws

[Neil Towery]

1.  I downloaded the appropriate Jaws into the downloads folder on my
desktop, because After I struck enter on the download link and selected the
save button, I never saw the choice to download it to the thumb drive. 
2. Then, I copied it into the thumb drive. 
3. Next, I struck enter on it. Tabbed to the extract button, and struck the
space bar. 
Now, I have several things on the thumb drive:  
open=JAWS15.bat
Action=JAWS
icon=JAWS15\jfw.exe
shell\JAWS=""
shell\JAWS\command=JAWS15.bat
 What in heavens name is  all this? Which one is the actual JAWS software?
Can I delete everyone except the actual JAWS software? 
I may be in the position of having just enough information to be dangerous.
Ha! Over my head? 
Neil 
 
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Behalf Of Mike
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2015 4:16 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] issue for portable jaws

Ravi,

Go to the following web page. Here it has the instructions written out on
the web page, and the download links for the JAWS USB applications, and the
Video Intercept files. Download the appropriate ones for the computers that
you will be using JAWS on. The instructions are fairly simple, and you
should get them in one or two readings. If not, then copy them and paste
them into a text document.

http://www.freedomscientific.com/Downloads/Jaws/JawsMagicUSBDownloads

Mike
mike@comcast.net


-Original Message-
From: Ravi Paswan
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 10:42 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] issue for portable jaws

tel me friend how to creat a portable copy of jaws.
because I have read some information from jaws website
www.freedomscientific.com and download sub menue.
but I am follow the all stap but it is not make  it.
so tel me friend some thing extra about this matter.
that how to creat a portable copy of jaws.
if be posible my dear friend please kindly send me a  tutorial audio and
text to creat a portable copy of jaws.
thank you.

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Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS Smart Navigation: How much do you understand?

[Neil Towery]

ot contain controls, you can only switch
to character and word navigation. Pressing ESC or moving focus away from the
control or table cell will switch back to the prior navigation level, for
example, pressing ESC while in character and word navigation will return to
Smart Navigation in tables.

When Smart navigation is active, press ALT+DELETE or INSERT+TAB to have JAWS
announce the current Smart Navigation level.

Anytime you are using Smart Navigation, either set to Controls or Controls
and Tables, JAWS will work in Screen Layout. This presents pages in the
virtual buffer similar to how they appear visually on the screen. Toolbar
buttons or other lists of controls that are visually laid out horizontally
on the screen are displayed on one line in the virtual document, allowing a
single press of the DOWN ARROW to skip the entire toolbar instead of having
to move from button to button to get past it.

For a great example, please try JAWS 17 on a web form such as the Web Track
sample form on the Surf's Up pages. On this page, you will be able to see
the power of navigating more efficiently with the DOWN ARROW then in
previous versions.

New Sound Indication for Links
As you navigate by line with Smart Navigation active, JAWS plays a sound if
the current line contains one or more links which would generally be
displayed on separate lines when you are not in Smart Navigation. This sound
helps you identify that a link exists and gives you a chance to pause to
hear about it or use TAB or the ARROW keys to move to it. To keep this sound
from being too intrusive, it is not heard if a line contains a link that is
preceded by less than five characters. For instance, a bulleted or numbered
list that contains a link directly after the number or bullet.
With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:
Charlsdarwin1
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From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Neil Towery
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 6:44 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] JAWS Smart Navigation

Hello Gang: 

 Exactly what is the JAWS smart navigation, to which several of  you have
commented? Is that just the keys like H to jump to headings, V for visited
links, et cetra? 

 If not that, what is it? What does it do? And, how do you activate smart
navigation? 

Neil 

 

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[JAWS-Users] JAWS Smart Navigation

[Neil Towery]

Hello Gang: 

 Exactly what is the JAWS smart navigation, to which several of  you have
commented? Is that just the keys like H to jump to headings, V for visited
links, et cetra? 

 If not that, what is it? What does it do? And, how do you activate smart
navigation? 

Neil 

 

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