[LU] Reading

[N If]

Agree with that Rich.  For me, most of the first half it was one of those
'you can't tell who are the league leaders and who is near the bottom'.
Was I right that for at least 20 minutes, our (misfiring) midfield were
unusually all in the box rather than patrolling the periphery?  Meaning
that rather than pinning Reading in, they were able to break out and cause
us a few problems. Interesting.
Thought you were spot on with all the scores.
I too was worried by Casilla on several occasions and up till the save had
him on a 4.  Bamford I had on a 2. He was just dreadful inside the box. If
no one else is scoring, the work he puts in to help create chances is
little good if he so lacks strikers' instincts - (I hope it's a
form/confidence thing, that a good hattrick against his old club midweek
will put right).  I see Eddie is good enough to now start and score for the
Arse - (another player improved by Marcelo) - however, I was begging MB NOT
to bring on Kev, or even Tyler in the last 20 as Patrick's high press was
invaluable to 'managing' the game...I remembered when Eddie came on for the
last while and it really diminished our control of the game.

 Particularly impressed with Klich - always there, always available,
starting to remind me of Batts in that respect. Great to see Pablo back,
while for me Harrison was the early most improved payer, Dallas has become
the most improved.
It's thrilling but it's hard to sit back and calmly enjoy!

sniff




Kiko - 5. He dithered his way through the match. Indecisive.
Ayling - 6. Started ok , moved to centre back and again did ok.
White - 6.
Cooper - 7. Solid defending throughout.
Pablo - 8. High energy, great goal
Klich - 7. Everywhere as usual
Dallas - 8.  Best right wing back at the club.

Harrison - 6.
Costa - 6.
Bamford - 4. A lot of aimless running, some good control but he's not playing
as a striker at the moment.
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[LU] Reading

[Richard Walker via Leedslist]

A few hungover thoughts.
Have just read Dave's report and generally agree however I disagree when he 
says Reading were a poor side. There was talk of them putting 10 men behind the 
ball and coming for a draw. Far from it and to be honest, first 30 minutes, 
they were outstanding on the break as we struggled to put our passed together. 
Swift in midfield is a great little player and there were a couple of others 
who had pace and skill on the break. Philips was left for dead on 2 occassions 
in the first 20 minutes and it's games like these when you realise the 
Yorkshire Pirlo isn't actually and his lack of pace will cost him at the 
highest levels. Having said that there aren't too many pacey midfielders in the 
championship. You could definitely see why they've sprung a few decent away 
performances.
We still had the chances to bury them in the first 30 mins but it was the usual 
story. Costa doing brilliantly on the right only to put over a poor ball or be 
tackled at the last minute. When is this guy going to deliver ? Bamford is 
starting to look ball shy and you get the feeling that he's not hunting for 
that ball in the six yard area anymore and that for me is a very worrying sign. 
He doesn't look close to a goal, not even off his arse and 1 goal in 11 is not 
good enough for a side chasing promotion. 
The good news yesterday was the Pablo is slowly regaining form and if he keeps 
fit and plays with the energy he did yesterday he will be massive for us. Yes, 
the passes were still going astray but he was everywhere and his goal said 
everything about his persistance and determintaion. 
Kilch should have had a hat-trick but I'm not sure if he'll ever score again.
The other major incident was Philips's injury. Having been skinned alive 
Philips through desperation decided it was time to put one of his tackles in. 
It was a great tackle, man and ball, leaving the Reading player polaxed and 
Kalvin jumping straight to his feet with a "don't you run past me again you 
c*nt ! You could immediately tell something was wrong as he limped around and 
tried to carry on but couldn't. The substitution involved a complete reshuffle 
with Dallas going to right back, Ayling to centre back White into midfield and 
Allioski to left-back. So yet again we have our best defender playing out of 
position because we haven't got anyone at the club that can deputise for 
Philips, the HOLDING MIDFIELDER. If Philips had picked up an injury for the 
rest of the season would Ben White play there for all that time ? Crazy how we 
didn't do something about this in January when we knew Philips was suspended. 
Instead Orta shelled out a load of brass on a young winger who can't get on the 
bench and might come good for the 2025 season and a striker that is so 
painfully unfit he can't replace the woeful Bamford. Madness. 
The great thing for me was we played our best football with Philips off the 
pitch. Dallas was back to his rightful home and he really is the best right 
wing back at the club. In reality, White played as an extra central defender 
and when he did get involved in midfield he didn't look comfortable. 
I think Reading ran out of steam 2nd half, Swift was subbed and they put on fat 
knacker Charlie Adam (he looks a mess) and that was that although we still 
managed to give them their best chance of the game in the final minute of 
injury time however Kiko saved well and as a result we picked up 3 points.
So all in all, another good win in difficult conditions, should have been 
easier but we move on to 2 winnable away games this week. 
Kiko - 5. He dithered his way through the match. Indecisive. Came for one ball 
and totally missed it. Made a decent save from a free kick and then won us the 
match with the save in the dying seconds. I see Bielsa is bigging his 
performance up and you'd expect that but he's still a massive problem and if I 
didn't know better I'd say he could cost us promotion.  
Ayling - 6. Started ok , moved to centre back and again did ok. Had one shot 
which I thought was going in. 
White - 6. Looked uncomfortable in midfield. 
Cooper - 7. Solid defending throughout. 
Pablo - 8. High energy, great goal 
Philips - 3. Game passed him by. I think he's been great these last 2 games but 
the hysteria around him is ridiculous. I heard someone say not only is he the 
best midfielder in the championship, he is the better than the best in the PL 
and should be England Captain. You're having a laugh. Ask Swift what he thinks 
of Philips ? He'll probably answer that he didn't know he was playing.
Klich - 7. Everywhere as usual but really should have done better with his 
chances. 
Dallas - 8.  Best right wing back at the club. 

Harrison - 6. Not as effective or as involved this week but still had his 
moments. 
Costa - 6. Some great moments but final ball always lacking. 
Bamford - 4. A lot of aimless running, some good control but he's not playing 
as a striker at the moment. Unfortunately, we don't 

Re: [LU] Reading

[nigel]

Yeah, pretty much how I saw it too.  

I've said all season that all our games are basically the same - sometimes we 
pass the ball more cleanly and attack with more vim, and sometimes we defend 
better than others, but on the whole it's generally the same game, week after 
week.  Then it's largely down to how luck goes our way - sometimes we are 
unlucky and none of the chances go in, sometimes we give away one too many set 
pieces at the other end.  We OUGHT to win pretty much every game quite 
comfortably, but with the quality of finishing we have it'll always be a bit of 
a lottery.  So let's hope that the luck stays with us for the next few games...

Nigel
(the Dublin one)

-Original Message- 
From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of nat...@sky.com
Sent: 23 February 2020 12:41
To: leeds list 
Subject: [LU] Reading

Well in some ways this was a replica of last week- largely outclass a poor team 
in bad weather, only score one goal and come close at the end to conceding a 
goal and throwing away 2 points, but in the end holding on and getting a much 
needed 3 pts However although,  superficially,  the games were the same , in 
reality they were very different.  Last week v Bristol the weather, although 
awful ,did not stop us playing great football and pinging accurate 25 yd balls 
across the pitch and it was only the woodwork, twice,  and 2 brilliant saves / 
awful misses that stopped it being a total rout. Yesterday we were wayward with 
our passes and created few real clear cut chances. We were on the front foot 
from the start and 2 crosses one in the air and one right across the 6yd box 
after great work by Costa just failed to be met by Bamford.  Klich  who looks 
like he has forgotten how to score had a decent attempt saved when the ref 
played an advantage.  A special mention for the ref yesterday,  he really tried 
to let the game flow and played a number of advantages , twice ( one apiece) 
going back and then showing a yellow.  I cant remember any really bad decisions 
so for once the "we only get shit refs" did not get an airing We all groaned 
and held our breath as the Yorkshire Pirlo went down, played on, but then went 
off injured, possibly a massive blow. Ayling decided he is now a goal scorer 
and lashed one attempt just wide before our best move and chance of the half. 
Some good link up play led to Harrison chilling an exquisite pass into the 
onrushing Alioski who hit it well but the keeper had his angled right. They 
were restricted to one long range shot that kiko dived to palm away
0 0 at half time but the mood in yet another full house was content was we all 
felt it was coming.
At the start of the second half klich again found his shooting but not his 
scoring boots with 2 decent efforts from distance.  Then came the match winner, 
Pablo had his first shot blocked but the ball rebounded to him and some 
trickery and some luck took him past a few defenders before a lovely finish 
into the top corner- brilliant finish and brilliant scences in the packed 
stands.
We had a few other chances to put the game to bed a good free kick by Pablo 
being the pick of the bunch, but this is Bielsa's Leeds and we rarely make 
things easy on ourselves,  the clock ticked down and the nerves in the crowd 
were being stretched although the confidence was mainly still there, then in 
the 92nd minute the almost unthinkable,  almost inevitable,  almost happened. 
The ball came their player in space inside the 6yd box, however this time it 
was kiko to the rescue and he came out and smothered it, a very important save.
So not at our best in a poor, fairly boring game when the weather was one 
winner,  we were the other with  valuable three points,  and the 11 point gap 
that had been whittled down to goal difference is back up a bit to 5 points, 
and as everyone keeps pointing out  on,y Fulham of the top teams to play. This 
is the defining week for me (again) lose these 2 and end up in 3rd or 4th by 
this time next week and we are almost done for. 6 points and extend the gap and 
things will be very rosy.
We do seem to have turned the corner and winning a scrappy poor game can only 
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[nat...@sky.com]

Well in some ways this was a replica of last week- largely outclass a poor team 
in bad weather, only score one goal and come close at the end to conceding a 
goal and throwing away 2 points, but in the end holding on and getting a much 
needed 3 pts
However although,  superficially,  the games were the same , in reality they 
were very different.  Last week v Bristol the weather, although awful ,did not 
stop us playing great football and pinging accurate 25 yd balls across the 
pitch and it was only the woodwork, twice,  and 2 brilliant saves / awful 
misses that stopped it being a total rout. Yesterday we were wayward with our 
passes and created few real clear cut chances. 
We were on the front foot from the start and 2 crosses one in the air and one 
right across the 6yd box after great work by Costa just failed to be met by 
Bamford.  Klich  who looks like he has forgotten how to score had a decent 
attempt saved when the ref played an advantage.  A special mention for the ref 
yesterday,  he really tried to let the game flow and played a number of 
advantages , twice ( one apiece) going back and then showing a yellow.  I cant 
remember any really bad decisions so for once the "we only get shit refs" did 
not get an airing
We all groaned and held our breath as the Yorkshire Pirlo went down, played on, 
but then went off injured, possibly a massive blow. 
Ayling decided he is now a goal scorer and lashed one attempt just wide before 
our best move and chance of the half. Some good link up play led to Harrison 
chilling an exquisite pass into the onrushing Alioski who hit it well but the 
keeper had his angled right. They were restricted to one long range shot that 
kiko dived to palm away
0 0 at half time but the mood in yet another full house was content was we all 
felt it was coming.
At the start of the second half klich again found his shooting but not his 
scoring boots with 2 decent efforts from distance.  Then came the match winner, 
Pablo had his first shot blocked but the ball rebounded to him and some 
trickery and some luck took him past a few defenders before a lovely finish 
into the top corner- brilliant finish and brilliant scences in the packed 
stands.
We had a few other chances to put the game to bed a good free kick by Pablo 
being the pick of the bunch, but this is Bielsa's Leeds and we rarely make 
things easy on ourselves,  the clock ticked down and the nerves in the crowd 
were being stretched although the confidence was mainly still there, then in 
the 92nd minute the almost unthinkable,  almost inevitable,  almost happened. 
The ball came their player in space inside the 6yd box, however this time it 
was kiko to the rescue and he came out and smothered it, a very important save.
So not at our best in a poor, fairly boring game when the weather was one 
winner,  we were the other with  valuable three points,  and the 11 point gap 
that had been whittled down to goal difference is back up a bit to 5 points, 
and as everyone keeps pointing out  on,y Fulham of the top teams to play. 
This is the defining week for me (again) lose these 2 and end up in 3rd or 4th 
by this time next week and we are almost done for. 6 points and extend the gap 
and things will be very rosy.
We do seem to have turned the corner and winning a scrappy poor game can only 
help the belief 
Dave
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Re: [LU] Reading

[Jim Moran]

I don’t think we’ve looked as good in attack since Siaz went. He offered
something different.

On Wed, 27 Nov 2019 at 00:28, seanscribe--- via Leedslist <
leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:

> Shack also has that positive, forward-passing mindset mindset. Clarke had
> it before 'Boro away last season.
> Cheers!
> Sean
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: nigel 
> To: 'leeds list' 
> Sent: Tue, Nov 26, 2019 5:50 pm
> Subject: Re: [LU] Reading
>
> Yep. I agree pretty much 100%
>
> Thought Alioski made all the difference - he thinks about going forward
> and (crucially) passing forwards first and foremost, which is something
> nobody else in the team seems to consider (apart from White).  And that
> attitude is thankfully infectious.
>
> Nigel
> (the Dublin one)
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of Richard
> walker via Leedslist
> Sent: 26 November 2019 22:41
> To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
> Subject: [LU] Reading
>
> All the possession but no idea. I thought we were poor tonight especially
> first half. Every final pass going astray and players just incapable of
> passing a ball to a team mate. Hernandez was particularly poor, he has a
> real knack of passing a simple ball to the opposition. He achieves it with
> ease. Roberts didn’t offer nothing as at Luton and to be honest his injury
> was the best thing that happened.
>
> Second half was better as we upped the tempo and when Allioski came on for
> the awful Klich he made a real difference. Costa played ok and the goal was
> a great break but even that was a deflected cross to Harrison who did well
> to head home ( Bamford take note). It was Harrison’s only contribution to
> the game.
>
> Great win, poor performance , top of the league and you can’t argue with
> that.
>
> Casilla - 7 some decent saves.
>
> Ayling - 5. A couple of half decent crosses but generally doesn’t offer
> half as much as Dallas going forward or the right.
>
> Cooper - 7 solid
>
> White - 9 Best defender and best midfielder. This lad is the business.
>
> Klich -2 terrible. Passes loose , just not effective. It might be a time
> for a rest.
>
> Philips - 5. Some good defensive work but his passing especially second
> half was terrible. Completely lost it. Not sure about his pieces either.
>
> Hernandez - 5. Saw lots of the ball but didn’t do much with it.
>
> Dallas - 6. Not happy in midfield but still created some good chances. Hit
> the bar.
>
> Harrison - 5. Scored the winner but very ineffective on the wing.
>
> Bamford - 3. Cant really remember any serious contribution.
>
> Roberts - 1 didn’t contribute before going off injured
>
> Subs
>
> Allioski - 8 lively , made a difference
>
> Costa - 7 his best performance so far
>
> Shack - on for a couple of minutes.
>
> Is Eddie fit for Saturday ?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [LU] Reading

[seanscribe--- via Leedslist]

Shack also has that positive, forward-passing mindset mindset. Clarke had it 
before 'Boro away last season.
Cheers!
Sean


-Original Message-
From: nigel 
To: 'leeds list' 
Sent: Tue, Nov 26, 2019 5:50 pm
Subject: Re: [LU] Reading

Yep. I agree pretty much 100%

Thought Alioski made all the difference - he thinks about going forward and 
(crucially) passing forwards first and foremost, which is something nobody else 
in the team seems to consider (apart from White).  And that attitude is 
thankfully infectious.

Nigel
(the Dublin one)

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of Richard walker via 
Leedslist
Sent: 26 November 2019 22:41
To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: [LU] Reading

All the possession but no idea. I thought we were poor tonight especially first 
half. Every final pass going astray and players just incapable of passing a 
ball to a team mate. Hernandez was particularly poor, he has a real knack of 
passing a simple ball to the opposition. He achieves it with ease. Roberts 
didn’t offer nothing as at Luton and to be honest his injury was the best thing 
that happened. 

Second half was better as we upped the tempo and when Allioski came on for the 
awful Klich he made a real difference. Costa played ok and the goal was a great 
break but even that was a deflected cross to Harrison who did well to head home 
( Bamford take note). It was Harrison’s only contribution to the game.

Great win, poor performance , top of the league and you can’t argue with that.

Casilla - 7 some decent saves.

Ayling - 5. A couple of half decent crosses but generally doesn’t offer half as 
much as Dallas going forward or the right.

Cooper - 7 solid

White - 9 Best defender and best midfielder. This lad is the business.

Klich -2 terrible. Passes loose , just not effective. It might be a time for a 
rest.

Philips - 5. Some good defensive work but his passing especially second half 
was terrible. Completely lost it. Not sure about his pieces either.

Hernandez - 5. Saw lots of the ball but didn’t do much with it.

Dallas - 6. Not happy in midfield but still created some good chances. Hit the 
bar.

Harrison - 5. Scored the winner but very ineffective on the wing.

Bamford - 3. Cant really remember any serious contribution.

Roberts - 1 didn’t contribute before going off injured

Subs

Allioski - 8 lively , made a difference

Costa - 7 his best performance so far

Shack - on for a couple of minutes.

Is Eddie fit for Saturday ?







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Re: [LU] Reading

[Nicholas Armit via Leedslist]

 Phillips is bothered by people with pace and good close control (just as 
against Izzy Brown and that guy from QPR) but he keeps at it and is a nuisance 
to other teams. Alioski was a bit of a revelation, made sensible decisions 
every time.
Nick
On Tuesday, November 26, 2019, 06:44:47 PM EST, Joe Skinner 
 wrote:  
 
 Pace as well. It’s all right pinging balls forward but he runs with it and 
people shit themselves although slightly bizarrely all the threat second half 
came from the right wing 

Not sure what formation we were playing second half

Thought Phillips had his work cut out today, one lad had him on toast for a 
bit, not sure he had much help though, in fairness

Maybe the 2 things above are related?

Sent from my iPhone

> On 26 Nov 2019, at 22:50, "ni...@sykesonline.com"  
> wrote:
> 
> Yep. I agree pretty much 100%
> 
> Thought Alioski made all the difference - he thinks about going forward and 
> (crucially) passing forwards first and foremost, which is something nobody 
> else in the team seems to consider (apart from White).  And that attitude is 
> thankfully infectious.
> 
> Nigel
> (the Dublin one)
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of Richard walker 
> via Leedslist
> Sent: 26 November 2019 22:41
> To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
> Subject: [LU] Reading
> 
> All the possession but no idea. I thought we were poor tonight especially 
> first half. Every final pass going astray and players just incapable of 
> passing a ball to a team mate. Hernandez was particularly poor, he has a real 
> knack of passing a simple ball to the opposition. He achieves it with ease. 
> Roberts didn’t offer nothing as at Luton and to be honest his injury was the 
> best thing that happened. 
> 
> Second half was better as we upped the tempo and when Allioski came on for 
> the awful Klich he made a real difference. Costa played ok and the goal was a 
> great break but even that was a deflected cross to Harrison who did well to 
> head home ( Bamford take note). It was Harrison’s only contribution to the 
> game.
> 
> Great win, poor performance , top of the league and you can’t argue with that.
> 
> Casilla - 7 some decent saves.
> 
> Ayling - 5. A couple of half decent crosses but generally doesn’t offer half 
> as much as Dallas going forward or the right.
> 
> Cooper - 7 solid
> 
> White - 9 Best defender and best midfielder. This lad is the business.
> 
> Klich -2 terrible. Passes loose , just not effective. It might be a time for 
> a rest.
> 
> Philips - 5. Some good defensive work but his passing especially second half 
> was terrible. Completely lost it. Not sure about his pieces either.
> 
> Hernandez - 5. Saw lots of the ball but didn’t do much with it.
> 
> Dallas - 6. Not happy in midfield but still created some good chances. Hit 
> the bar.
> 
> Harrison - 5. Scored the winner but very ineffective on the wing.
> 
> Bamford - 3. Cant really remember any serious contribution.
> 
> Roberts - 1 didn’t contribute before going off injured
> 
> Subs
> 
> Allioski - 8 lively , made a difference
> 
> Costa - 7 his best performance so far
> 
> Shack - on for a couple of minutes.
> 
> Is Eddie fit for Saturday ?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [LU] Reading

[Joe Skinner]

Pace as well. It’s all right pinging balls forward but he runs with it and 
people shit themselves although slightly bizarrely all the threat second half 
came from the right wing 

Not sure what formation we were playing second half

Thought Phillips had his work cut out today, one lad had him on toast for a 
bit, not sure he had much help though, in fairness

Maybe the 2 things above are related?

Sent from my iPhone

> On 26 Nov 2019, at 22:50, "ni...@sykesonline.com"  
> wrote:
> 
> Yep. I agree pretty much 100%
> 
> Thought Alioski made all the difference - he thinks about going forward and 
> (crucially) passing forwards first and foremost, which is something nobody 
> else in the team seems to consider (apart from White).   And that attitude is 
> thankfully infectious.
> 
> Nigel
> (the Dublin one)
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of Richard walker 
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> Sent: 26 November 2019 22:41
> To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
> Subject: [LU] Reading
> 
> All the possession but no idea. I thought we were poor tonight especially 
> first half. Every final pass going astray and players just incapable of 
> passing a ball to a team mate. Hernandez was particularly poor, he has a real 
> knack of passing a simple ball to the opposition. He achieves it with ease. 
> Roberts didn’t offer nothing as at Luton and to be honest his injury was the 
> best thing that happened. 
> 
> Second half was better as we upped the tempo and when Allioski came on for 
> the awful Klich he made a real difference. Costa played ok and the goal was a 
> great break but even that was a deflected cross to Harrison who did well to 
> head home ( Bamford take note). It was Harrison’s only contribution to the 
> game.
> 
> Great win, poor performance , top of the league and you can’t argue with that.
> 
> Casilla - 7 some decent saves.
> 
> Ayling - 5. A couple of half decent crosses but generally doesn’t offer half 
> as much as Dallas going forward or the right.
> 
> Cooper - 7 solid
> 
> White - 9 Best defender and best midfielder. This lad is the business.
> 
> Klich -2 terrible. Passes loose , just not effective. It might be a time for 
> a rest.
> 
> Philips - 5. Some good defensive work but his passing especially second half 
> was terrible. Completely lost it. Not sure about his pieces either.
> 
> Hernandez - 5. Saw lots of the ball but didn’t do much with it.
> 
> Dallas - 6. Not happy in midfield but still created some good chances. Hit 
> the bar.
> 
> Harrison - 5. Scored the winner but very ineffective on the wing.
> 
> Bamford - 3. Cant really remember any serious contribution.
> 
> Roberts - 1 didn’t contribute before going off injured
> 
> Subs
> 
> Allioski - 8 lively , made a difference
> 
> Costa - 7 his best performance so far
> 
> Shack - on for a couple of minutes.
> 
> Is Eddie fit for Saturday ?
> 
> 
> 
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> 
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Re: [LU] Reading

[nigel]

Yep. I agree pretty much 100%

Thought Alioski made all the difference - he thinks about going forward and 
(crucially) passing forwards first and foremost, which is something nobody else 
in the team seems to consider (apart from White).   And that attitude is 
thankfully infectious.

Nigel
(the Dublin one)

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Subject: [LU] Reading

All the possession but no idea. I thought we were poor tonight especially first 
half. Every final pass going astray and players just incapable of passing a 
ball to a team mate. Hernandez was particularly poor, he has a real knack of 
passing a simple ball to the opposition. He achieves it with ease. Roberts 
didn’t offer nothing as at Luton and to be honest his injury was the best thing 
that happened. 

Second half was better as we upped the tempo and when Allioski came on for the 
awful Klich he made a real difference. Costa played ok and the goal was a great 
break but even that was a deflected cross to Harrison who did well to head home 
( Bamford take note). It was Harrison’s only contribution to the game.

Great win, poor performance , top of the league and you can’t argue with that.

Casilla - 7 some decent saves.

Ayling - 5. A couple of half decent crosses but generally doesn’t offer half as 
much as Dallas going forward or the right.

Cooper - 7 solid

White - 9 Best defender and best midfielder. This lad is the business.

Klich -2 terrible. Passes loose , just not effective. It might be a time for a 
rest.

Philips - 5. Some good defensive work but his passing especially second half 
was terrible. Completely lost it. Not sure about his pieces either.

Hernandez - 5. Saw lots of the ball but didn’t do much with it.

Dallas - 6. Not happy in midfield but still created some good chances. Hit the 
bar.

Harrison - 5. Scored the winner but very ineffective on the wing.

Bamford - 3. Cant really remember any serious contribution.

Roberts - 1 didn’t contribute before going off injured

Subs

Allioski - 8 lively , made a difference

Costa - 7 his best performance so far

Shack - on for a couple of minutes.

Is Eddie fit for Saturday ?







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[LU] Reading

[Richard walker via Leedslist]

All the possession but no idea. I thought we were poor tonight especially first 
half. Every final pass going astray and players just incapable of passing a 
ball to a team mate. Hernandez was particularly poor, he has a real knack of 
passing a simple ball to the opposition. He achieves it with ease. Roberts 
didn’t offer nothing as at Luton and to be honest his injury was the best thing 
that happened. 

Second half was better as we upped the tempo and when Allioski came on for the 
awful Klich he made a real difference. Costa played ok and the goal was a great 
break but even that was a deflected cross to Harrison who did well to head home 
( Bamford take note). It was Harrison’s only contribution to the game.

Great win, poor performance , top of the league and you can’t argue with that.

Casilla - 7 some decent saves.

Ayling - 5. A couple of half decent crosses but generally doesn’t offer half as 
much as Dallas going forward or the right.

Cooper - 7 solid

White - 9 Best defender and best midfielder. This lad is the business.

Klich -2 terrible. Passes loose , just not effective. It might be a time for a 
rest.

Philips - 5. Some good defensive work but his passing especially second half 
was terrible. Completely lost it. Not sure about his pieces either.

Hernandez - 5. Saw lots of the ball but didn’t do much with it.

Dallas - 6. Not happy in midfield but still created some good chances. Hit the 
bar.

Harrison - 5. Scored the winner but very ineffective on the wing.

Bamford - 3. Cant really remember any serious contribution.

Roberts - 1 didn’t contribute before going off injured

Subs

Allioski - 8 lively , made a difference

Costa - 7 his best performance so far

Shack - on for a couple of minutes.

Is Eddie fit for Saturday ?







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Re: [LU] Reading

[Richard Walker via Leedslist]

 I do think Allioski has been brilliant last few games and last night he was 
good going forward but I thought his defending at times was poor. 
On Wednesday, 13 March 2019, 16:13:54 GMT, Nicholas Armit via Leedslist 
 wrote:  
 
 Couple of quick things:
  
  - He has taken a lot of criticism this year but I thought Alioski was 
sensational last night. In fact the last three games.
  - Ayling despite the fact he could have been sent off was also much improved
  - They all looked absolutely knackered at the final whistle. All hunched over 
gasping for breath. Hope they recover for Saturday.
  - Saturday is f*cking immense.
Nick
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[Nicholas Armit via Leedslist]

Couple of quick things:
   
   - He has taken a lot of criticism this year but I thought Alioski was 
sensational last night. In fact the last three games.
   - Ayling despite the fact he could have been sent off was also much improved
   - They all looked absolutely knackered at the final whistle. All hunched 
over gasping for breath. Hope they recover for Saturday.
   - Saturday is f*cking immense.
Nick
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Re: [LU] Reading

[Nicholas Armit via Leedslist]

 Would have made up for the Brentford one
On Wednesday, November 28, 2018, 1:24:23 PM EST, bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk 
 wrote:  
 
 I’d have moaned about it - acting like a big mary-anne may be part of the 
‘modern game’ , but winning like that would prove nothing. Surely we want to 
aspire to be better than winning by cheating?
That guy from Reading (Gunter?) was just as bad - glad the ref saw through that 
nonsense too - he did it twice at least!

Sent from my iPad
On 28 Nov 2018, at 17:40, Nicholas Armit  wrote:


 I wonder how many would be complaining if Alioski had won a penalty and we had 
gone on to win 1-0
On Wednesday, November 28, 2018, 6:23:54 AM EST, John Lee via Leedslist 
 wrote:  
 
 Good result, but plenty of food for thought. Yes, Saiz and Clarke gave us far 
more creativity, but we seemed to lose our shape more often with their 
introduction, with the result that a pretty average team could easily have 
nicked points from us. 

Alioski - like others, I think he’s lightweight, a cheat and often under 
produces, BUT the way the ball pings about on the left with him, Douglas etc is 
impressive. Of course if Alioski gets to deliver the final ball it’s usually 
over hit or a crap grubber. His dive was really pathetic.

Baker - I didn’t really see him do anything of note, but we did lose our shape 
once he wasn’t there, so maybe he was of more use than it first appears?

BPF - one of the best penalty saves I’ve seen - he had a very solid game, and 
saved 2 points, as I doubt we’d have scored again if the penalty had gone in.

Up front we were unlucky not to nick a second, but imagine if we had a Jamie 
Vardy up there - we need some quality up front desperately. The Sky commentator 
was wittering on about how Roofe knew he could make it at Championship level - 
well that in itself is contentious, but he’s peaked and unless Bamford is a 
revelation we need to address this in January. 

Crowd noise - seemed like Highbury at times on tv - maybe Sky turned the volume 
down. It seemed louder late on though.

Sent from my iPad

> On 28 Nov 2018, at 10:10, Matt Anderson  wrote:
> 
> You have to give Reading a bit of credit. 3 changes and a might as well lose 
> 2-0 as 1-0
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 28 Nov 2018, at 09:56, Scott1cairns1  wrote:
>> 
>> Can someone explain to me  why when we had our opponents, after the goal on 
>> the ropes and clearly ‘punchy’ we didn’t finish them off or even try to 
>> finish them off. Content to push and nurdle the ball square or backwards too 
>> many years I’ve been watching Leeds defend precarious advantage. If we were 
>> under pressure the whole game and scored again the ROP I could understand. I 
>> thought we had turned the corner. So disappointed. 
>> 
>> Best regards,Scott. 
>> 
>>> On 28 Nov 2018, at 08:24, Nick Allen  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Agree Dave, oddly thought we looked knackered after 75 minutes.
>>> 
 On 28 Nov 2018, at 07:36, "nat...@sky.com"  wrote:
 
 A lot of similarities between this game and Bristol on Saturday - both had 
 instantly forgettable first halves, followed by much better second half 
 performances by us and both 3 points and clean sheetsReading was both a 
 game of two halves and a game of two subs - the introduction of Siaz and 
 Clarke really turning this game from a turgid bore fest into a sparkling 
 night of entertaiment (bit of hyperbole there but not too much)
 We got inside the ground just in time to hear a real cheer and an '' 
 from the crowd - I was told Douglas , not for the first time, had missed 
 with an easy header. Had that gone in it may have been a different game, 
 as it was Reading for the most part parked the bus and had all 11 man back 
 defending for most of the time with the odd worrying foray into our area 
 where they only created a few half chances
 For us, Phillips was a make shift centre half - he did well enough but we 
 did miss some of his passing further up the pitch, and Baker after a good 
 5 minute cameo on Saturday showed why he has barely had a game this season 
 as he really struggled to make any impact
 Alioski with whom lots of fans are losing patience was also anonymous and 
 his most memorable moment was his attempt to change the 55 (or whatever it 
 is now) games without a penalty with a dive that was so obvious we could 
 tell from the Revie Stand and the ref quite rightly booked him
 Bielsa knew things were not right and sent on the mercurial wizard Samu 
 Saiz, I love watching him play, and Jack Clarke a player with immense 
 potential, and it almost paid dividends in seconds as Clarke beat his man 
 and put a lovely ball across to Samu whose shot was going to ripple in the 
 back of the net but got deflected wide instead
 With these two on the pitch we looked a totally different team and uppped 
 both our passion and work rate as Saiz pulled the 

Re: [LU] Reading

[Simon McNally]

I got called “horrible” by a friend of a friend after I said that Gordon Watson 
deserved the serious leg break he suffered because of that dive

Sent from my iPhone

> On 28 Nov 2018, at 18:22, Richard Walker via Leedslist  
> wrote:
> 
> This was worse than Gordon Watson - remember that c&£t
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 28 Nov 2018, at 17:40, Nicholas Armit via Leedslist 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I wonder how many would be complaining if Alioski had won a penalty and we 
>> had gone on to win 1-0
>>   On Wednesday, November 28, 2018, 6:23:54 AM EST, John Lee via Leedslist 
>>  wrote:  
>> 
>> Good result, but plenty of food for thought. Yes, Saiz and Clarke gave us 
>> far more creativity, but we seemed to lose our shape more often with their 
>> introduction, with the result that a pretty average team could easily have 
>> nicked points from us. 
>> 
>> Alioski - like others, I think he’s lightweight, a cheat and often under 
>> produces, BUT the way the ball pings about on the left with him, Douglas etc 
>> is impressive. Of course if Alioski gets to deliver the final ball it’s 
>> usually over hit or a crap grubber. His dive was really pathetic.
>> 
>> Baker - I didn’t really see him do anything of note, but we did lose our 
>> shape once he wasn’t there, so maybe he was of more use than it first 
>> appears?
>> 
>> BPF - one of the best penalty saves I’ve seen - he had a very solid game, 
>> and saved 2 points, as I doubt we’d have scored again if the penalty had 
>> gone in.
>> 
>> Up front we were unlucky not to nick a second, but imagine if we had a Jamie 
>> Vardy up there - we need some quality up front desperately. The Sky 
>> commentator was wittering on about how Roofe knew he could make it at 
>> Championship level - well that in itself is contentious, but he’s peaked and 
>> unless Bamford is a revelation we need to address this in January. 
>> 
>> Crowd noise - seemed like Highbury at times on tv - maybe Sky turned the 
>> volume down. It seemed louder late on though.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On 28 Nov 2018, at 10:10, Matt Anderson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> You have to give Reading a bit of credit. 3 changes and a might as well 
>>> lose 2-0 as 1-0
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On 28 Nov 2018, at 09:56, Scott1cairns1  wrote:
 
 Can someone explain to me  why when we had our opponents, after the goal 
 on the ropes and clearly ‘punchy’ we didn’t finish them off or even try to 
 finish them off. Content to push and nurdle the ball square or backwards 
 too many years I’ve been watching Leeds defend precarious advantage. If we 
 were under pressure the whole game and scored again the ROP I could 
 understand. I thought we had turned the corner. So disappointed. 
 
 Best regards,Scott. 
 
> On 28 Nov 2018, at 08:24, Nick Allen  wrote:
> 
> Agree Dave, oddly thought we looked knackered after 75 minutes.
> 
>> On 28 Nov 2018, at 07:36, "nat...@sky.com"  wrote:
>> 
>> A lot of similarities between this game and Bristol on Saturday - both 
>> had instantly forgettable first halves, followed by much better second 
>> half performances by us and both 3 points and clean sheetsReading was 
>> both a game of two halves and a game of two subs - the introduction of 
>> Siaz and Clarke really turning this game from a turgid bore fest into a 
>> sparkling night of entertaiment (bit of hyperbole there but not too much)
>> We got inside the ground just in time to hear a real cheer and an '' 
>> from the crowd - I was told Douglas , not for the first time, had missed 
>> with an easy header. Had that gone in it may have been a different game, 
>> as it was Reading for the most part parked the bus and had all 11 man 
>> back defending for most of the time with the odd worrying foray into our 
>> area where they only created a few half chances
>> For us, Phillips was a make shift centre half - he did well enough but 
>> we did miss some of his passing further up the pitch, and Baker after a 
>> good 5 minute cameo on Saturday showed why he has barely had a game this 
>> season as he really struggled to make any impact
>> Alioski with whom lots of fans are losing patience was also anonymous 
>> and his most memorable moment was his attempt to change the 55 (or 
>> whatever it is now) games without a penalty with a dive that was so 
>> obvious we could tell from the Revie Stand and the ref quite rightly 
>> booked him
>> Bielsa knew things were not right and sent on the mercurial wizard Samu 
>> Saiz, I love watching him play, and Jack Clarke a player with immense 
>> potential, and it almost paid dividends in seconds as Clarke beat his 
>> man and put a lovely ball across to Samu whose shot was going to ripple 
>> in the back of the net but got deflected wide instead
>> With these two on the pitch we looked a totally different 

Re: [LU] Reading

[John Lee via Leedslist]

I’d have moaned about it - acting like a big mary-anne may be part of the 
‘modern game’ , but winning like that would prove nothing. Surely we want to 
aspire to be better than winning by cheating?

That guy from Reading (Gunter?) was just as bad - glad the ref saw through that 
nonsense too - he did it twice at least!

Sent from my iPad

> On 28 Nov 2018, at 17:40, Nicholas Armit  wrote:
> 
> I wonder how many would be complaining if Alioski had won a penalty and we 
> had gone on to win 1-0
> 
> On Wednesday, November 28, 2018, 6:23:54 AM EST, John Lee via Leedslist 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Good result, but plenty of food for thought. Yes, Saiz and Clarke gave us far 
> more creativity, but we seemed to lose our shape more often with their 
> introduction, with the result that a pretty average team could easily have 
> nicked points from us. 
> 
> Alioski - like others, I think he’s lightweight, a cheat and often under 
> produces, BUT the way the ball pings about on the left with him, Douglas etc 
> is impressive. Of course if Alioski gets to deliver the final ball it’s 
> usually over hit or a crap grubber. His dive was really pathetic.
> 
> Baker - I didn’t really see him do anything of note, but we did lose our 
> shape once he wasn’t there, so maybe he was of more use than it first appears?
> 
> BPF - one of the best penalty saves I’ve seen - he had a very solid game, and 
> saved 2 points, as I doubt we’d have scored again if the penalty had gone in.
> 
> Up front we were unlucky not to nick a second, but imagine if we had a Jamie 
> Vardy up there - we need some quality up front desperately. The Sky 
> commentator was wittering on about how Roofe knew he could make it at 
> Championship level - well that in itself is contentious, but he’s peaked and 
> unless Bamford is a revelation we need to address this in January. 
> 
> Crowd noise - seemed like Highbury at times on tv - maybe Sky turned the 
> volume down. It seemed louder late on though.
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> > On 28 Nov 2018, at 10:10, Matt Anderson  wrote:
> > 
> > You have to give Reading a bit of credit. 3 changes and a might as well 
> > lose 2-0 as 1-0
> > 
> > Sent from my iPhone
> > 
> >> On 28 Nov 2018, at 09:56, Scott1cairns1  wrote:
> >> 
> >> Can someone explain to me  why when we had our opponents, after the goal 
> >> on the ropes and clearly ‘punchy’ we didn’t finish them off or even try to 
> >> finish them off. Content to push and nurdle the ball square or backwards 
> >> too many years I’ve been watching Leeds defend precarious advantage. If we 
> >> were under pressure the whole game and scored again the ROP I could 
> >> understand. I thought we had turned the corner. So disappointed. 
> >> 
> >> Best regards,Scott. 
> >> 
> >>> On 28 Nov 2018, at 08:24, Nick Allen  wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> Agree Dave, oddly thought we looked knackered after 75 minutes.
> >>> 
>  On 28 Nov 2018, at 07:36, "nat...@sky.com"  wrote:
>  
>  A lot of similarities between this game and Bristol on Saturday - both 
>  had instantly forgettable first halves, followed by much better second 
>  half performances by us and both 3 points and clean sheetsReading was 
>  both a game of two halves and a game of two subs - the introduction of 
>  Siaz and Clarke really turning this game from a turgid bore fest into a 
>  sparkling night of entertaiment (bit of hyperbole there but not too much)
>  We got inside the ground just in time to hear a real cheer and an '' 
>  from the crowd - I was told Douglas , not for the first time, had missed 
>  with an easy header. Had that gone in it may have been a different game, 
>  as it was Reading for the most part parked the bus and had all 11 man 
>  back defending for most of the time with the odd worrying foray into our 
>  area where they only created a few half chances
>  For us, Phillips was a make shift centre half - he did well enough but 
>  we did miss some of his passing further up the pitch, and Baker after a 
>  good 5 minute cameo on Saturday showed why he has barely had a game this 
>  season as he really struggled to make any impact
>  Alioski with whom lots of fans are losing patience was also anonymous 
>  and his most memorable moment was his attempt to change the 55 (or 
>  whatever it is now) games without a penalty with a dive that was so 
>  obvious we could tell from the Revie Stand and the ref quite rightly 
>  booked him
>  Bielsa knew things were not right and sent on the mercurial wizard Samu 
>  Saiz, I love watching him play, and Jack Clarke a player with immense 
>  potential, and it almost paid dividends in seconds as Clarke beat his 
>  man and put a lovely ball across to Samu whose shot was going to ripple 
>  in the back of the net but got deflected wide instead
>  With these two on the pitch we looked a totally different team and 
>  uppped both our passion 

Re: [LU] Reading

[Richard Walker via Leedslist]

This was worse than Gordon Watson - remember that c&£t

Sent from my iPhone

> On 28 Nov 2018, at 17:40, Nicholas Armit via Leedslist  
> wrote:
> 
> I wonder how many would be complaining if Alioski had won a penalty and we 
> had gone on to win 1-0
>On Wednesday, November 28, 2018, 6:23:54 AM EST, John Lee via Leedslist 
>  wrote:  
> 
> Good result, but plenty of food for thought. Yes, Saiz and Clarke gave us far 
> more creativity, but we seemed to lose our shape more often with their 
> introduction, with the result that a pretty average team could easily have 
> nicked points from us. 
> 
> Alioski - like others, I think he’s lightweight, a cheat and often under 
> produces, BUT the way the ball pings about on the left with him, Douglas etc 
> is impressive. Of course if Alioski gets to deliver the final ball it’s 
> usually over hit or a crap grubber. His dive was really pathetic.
> 
> Baker - I didn’t really see him do anything of note, but we did lose our 
> shape once he wasn’t there, so maybe he was of more use than it first appears?
> 
> BPF - one of the best penalty saves I’ve seen - he had a very solid game, and 
> saved 2 points, as I doubt we’d have scored again if the penalty had gone in.
> 
> Up front we were unlucky not to nick a second, but imagine if we had a Jamie 
> Vardy up there - we need some quality up front desperately. The Sky 
> commentator was wittering on about how Roofe knew he could make it at 
> Championship level - well that in itself is contentious, but he’s peaked and 
> unless Bamford is a revelation we need to address this in January. 
> 
> Crowd noise - seemed like Highbury at times on tv - maybe Sky turned the 
> volume down. It seemed louder late on though.
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On 28 Nov 2018, at 10:10, Matt Anderson  wrote:
>> 
>> You have to give Reading a bit of credit. 3 changes and a might as well lose 
>> 2-0 as 1-0
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 28 Nov 2018, at 09:56, Scott1cairns1  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Can someone explain to me  why when we had our opponents, after the goal on 
>>> the ropes and clearly ‘punchy’ we didn’t finish them off or even try to 
>>> finish them off. Content to push and nurdle the ball square or backwards 
>>> too many years I’ve been watching Leeds defend precarious advantage. If we 
>>> were under pressure the whole game and scored again the ROP I could 
>>> understand. I thought we had turned the corner. So disappointed. 
>>> 
>>> Best regards,Scott. 
>>> 
 On 28 Nov 2018, at 08:24, Nick Allen  wrote:
 
 Agree Dave, oddly thought we looked knackered after 75 minutes.
 
> On 28 Nov 2018, at 07:36, "nat...@sky.com"  wrote:
> 
> A lot of similarities between this game and Bristol on Saturday - both 
> had instantly forgettable first halves, followed by much better second 
> half performances by us and both 3 points and clean sheetsReading was 
> both a game of two halves and a game of two subs - the introduction of 
> Siaz and Clarke really turning this game from a turgid bore fest into a 
> sparkling night of entertaiment (bit of hyperbole there but not too much)
> We got inside the ground just in time to hear a real cheer and an '' 
> from the crowd - I was told Douglas , not for the first time, had missed 
> with an easy header. Had that gone in it may have been a different game, 
> as it was Reading for the most part parked the bus and had all 11 man 
> back defending for most of the time with the odd worrying foray into our 
> area where they only created a few half chances
> For us, Phillips was a make shift centre half - he did well enough but we 
> did miss some of his passing further up the pitch, and Baker after a good 
> 5 minute cameo on Saturday showed why he has barely had a game this 
> season as he really struggled to make any impact
> Alioski with whom lots of fans are losing patience was also anonymous and 
> his most memorable moment was his attempt to change the 55 (or whatever 
> it is now) games without a penalty with a dive that was so obvious we 
> could tell from the Revie Stand and the ref quite rightly booked him
> Bielsa knew things were not right and sent on the mercurial wizard Samu 
> Saiz, I love watching him play, and Jack Clarke a player with immense 
> potential, and it almost paid dividends in seconds as Clarke beat his man 
> and put a lovely ball across to Samu whose shot was going to ripple in 
> the back of the net but got deflected wide instead
> With these two on the pitch we looked a totally different team and uppped 
> both our passion and work rate as Saiz pulled the strings and Clarke had 
> the beating of the full back
> We had a few chances and then a lovely cross field pass came out to the 
> left where Douglas and Pablo combined - Pablo with a great cheeky back 
> heel and then Douglas' cross was met by Roofe who 

Re: [LU] Reading

[Nicholas Armit via Leedslist]

 I wonder how many would be complaining if Alioski had won a penalty and we had 
gone on to win 1-0
On Wednesday, November 28, 2018, 6:23:54 AM EST, John Lee via Leedslist 
 wrote:  
 
 Good result, but plenty of food for thought. Yes, Saiz and Clarke gave us far 
more creativity, but we seemed to lose our shape more often with their 
introduction, with the result that a pretty average team could easily have 
nicked points from us. 

Alioski - like others, I think he’s lightweight, a cheat and often under 
produces, BUT the way the ball pings about on the left with him, Douglas etc is 
impressive. Of course if Alioski gets to deliver the final ball it’s usually 
over hit or a crap grubber. His dive was really pathetic.

Baker - I didn’t really see him do anything of note, but we did lose our shape 
once he wasn’t there, so maybe he was of more use than it first appears?

BPF - one of the best penalty saves I’ve seen - he had a very solid game, and 
saved 2 points, as I doubt we’d have scored again if the penalty had gone in.

Up front we were unlucky not to nick a second, but imagine if we had a Jamie 
Vardy up there - we need some quality up front desperately. The Sky commentator 
was wittering on about how Roofe knew he could make it at Championship level - 
well that in itself is contentious, but he’s peaked and unless Bamford is a 
revelation we need to address this in January. 

Crowd noise - seemed like Highbury at times on tv - maybe Sky turned the volume 
down. It seemed louder late on though.

Sent from my iPad

> On 28 Nov 2018, at 10:10, Matt Anderson  wrote:
> 
> You have to give Reading a bit of credit. 3 changes and a might as well lose 
> 2-0 as 1-0
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 28 Nov 2018, at 09:56, Scott1cairns1  wrote:
>> 
>> Can someone explain to me  why when we had our opponents, after the goal on 
>> the ropes and clearly ‘punchy’ we didn’t finish them off or even try to 
>> finish them off. Content to push and nurdle the ball square or backwards too 
>> many years I’ve been watching Leeds defend precarious advantage. If we were 
>> under pressure the whole game and scored again the ROP I could understand. I 
>> thought we had turned the corner. So disappointed. 
>> 
>> Best regards,Scott. 
>> 
>>> On 28 Nov 2018, at 08:24, Nick Allen  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Agree Dave, oddly thought we looked knackered after 75 minutes.
>>> 
 On 28 Nov 2018, at 07:36, "nat...@sky.com"  wrote:
 
 A lot of similarities between this game and Bristol on Saturday - both had 
 instantly forgettable first halves, followed by much better second half 
 performances by us and both 3 points and clean sheetsReading was both a 
 game of two halves and a game of two subs - the introduction of Siaz and 
 Clarke really turning this game from a turgid bore fest into a sparkling 
 night of entertaiment (bit of hyperbole there but not too much)
 We got inside the ground just in time to hear a real cheer and an '' 
 from the crowd - I was told Douglas , not for the first time, had missed 
 with an easy header. Had that gone in it may have been a different game, 
 as it was Reading for the most part parked the bus and had all 11 man back 
 defending for most of the time with the odd worrying foray into our area 
 where they only created a few half chances
 For us, Phillips was a make shift centre half - he did well enough but we 
 did miss some of his passing further up the pitch, and Baker after a good 
 5 minute cameo on Saturday showed why he has barely had a game this season 
 as he really struggled to make any impact
 Alioski with whom lots of fans are losing patience was also anonymous and 
 his most memorable moment was his attempt to change the 55 (or whatever it 
 is now) games without a penalty with a dive that was so obvious we could 
 tell from the Revie Stand and the ref quite rightly booked him
 Bielsa knew things were not right and sent on the mercurial wizard Samu 
 Saiz, I love watching him play, and Jack Clarke a player with immense 
 potential, and it almost paid dividends in seconds as Clarke beat his man 
 and put a lovely ball across to Samu whose shot was going to ripple in the 
 back of the net but got deflected wide instead
 With these two on the pitch we looked a totally different team and uppped 
 both our passion and work rate as Saiz pulled the strings and Clarke had 
 the beating of the full back
 We had a few chances and then a lovely cross field pass came out to the 
 left where Douglas and Pablo combined - Pablo with a great cheeky back 
 heel and then Douglas' cross was met by Roofe who could not quite bundle 
 it in, but the ball rebounded off the keeper to Dallas who poked home from 
 a few yards out 1-0 and game over (we hoped)
 We could have had a second when Roofe did everything right with his 
 downwards header back across 

Re: [LU] Reading

[Jim Moran]

Couldn't agree more. If we could play that way all the time, we'd be in the
top 4 of the PL.

On Wed, 28 Nov 2018 at 13:01, Richard Naef 
wrote:

> Disappointed with 2nd?  It's still a work in progress, we have skilful
> players playing a high intensity style that sometimes is an absolute joy to
> watch.  Often it doesn't quite work, but when it does, like for the goal it
> makes up for al the nurdling in the world.
>
> how any Leeds fan isn't on a high given what we've put up with the last 14
> years astounds me.  We all know that at some stage it'll turn to shit, I'm
> just enjoying it while it lasts.
>
> ttfn
>
> Richard
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of Scott1cairns1
> Sent: 28 November 2018 09:56
> To: Nick Allen 
> Cc: Leeds List 
> Subject: Re: [LU] Reading
>
> Can someone explain to me  why when we had our opponents, after the goal
> on the ropes and clearly ‘punchy’ we didn’t finish them off or even try to
> finish them off. Content to push and nurdle the ball square or backwards
> too many years I’ve been watching Leeds defend precarious advantage. If we
> were under pressure the whole game and scored again the ROP I could
> understand. I thought we had turned the corner. So disappointed.
>
> Best regards,Scott.
>
> > On 28 Nov 2018, at 08:24, Nick Allen  wrote:
> >
> > Agree Dave, oddly thought we looked knackered after 75 minutes.
> >
> >> On 28 Nov 2018, at 07:36, "nat...@sky.com"  wrote:
> >>
> >> A lot of similarities between this game and Bristol on Saturday -
> >> both had instantly forgettable first halves, followed by much better
> >> second half performances by us and both 3 points and clean
> >> sheetsReading was both a game of two halves and a game of two subs -
> >> the introduction of Siaz and Clarke really turning this game from a
> >> turgid bore fest into a sparkling night of entertaiment (bit of
> >> hyperbole there but not too much) We got inside the ground just in
> >> time to hear a real cheer and an '' from the crowd - I was told
> >> Douglas , not for the first time, had missed with an easy header. Had
> >> that gone in it may have been a different game, as it was Reading for
> >> the most part parked the bus and had all 11 man back defending for
> >> most of the time with the odd worrying foray into our area where they
> >> only created a few half chances For us, Phillips was a make shift
> >> centre half - he did well enough but we did miss some of his passing
> >> further up the pitch, and Baker after a good 5 minute cameo on
> >> Saturday showed why he has barely had a game this season as he really
> >> struggled to make any impact Alioski with whom lots of fans are
> >> losing patience was also anonymous and his most memorable moment was
> >> his attempt to change the 55 (or whatever it is now) games without a
> >> penalty with a dive that was so obvious we could tell from the Revie
> >> Stand and the ref quite rightly booked him Bielsa knew things were
> >> not right and sent on the mercurial wizard Samu Saiz, I love watching
> >> him play, and Jack Clarke a player with immense potential, and it
> >> almost paid dividends in seconds as Clarke beat his man and put a
> >> lovely ball across to Samu whose shot was going to ripple in the back
> >> of the net but got deflected wide instead With these two on the pitch
> >> we looked a totally different team and uppped both our passion and
> >> work rate as Saiz pulled the strings and Clarke had the beating of
> >> the full back We had a few chances and then a lovely cross field pass
> >> came out to the left where Douglas and Pablo combined - Pablo with a
> >> great cheeky back heel and then Douglas' cross was met by Roofe who
> >> could not quite bundle it in, but the ball rebounded off the keeper
> >> to Dallas who poked home from a few yards out 1-0 and game over (we
> >> hoped) We could have had a second when Roofe did everything right
> >> with his downwards header back across the keeper but the keeper made
> >> a top class save - real quality We huffed and puffed a bit after that
> >> but never looked like getting the second that would ahve put it to
> >> bed, instead a rare attack from Reading and as the winger tried to
> >> get his cross in Douglas tangled with him - the ref of course pointed
> >> to the spot - a silly place and an awful time to give away a penalty
> >> However BPF restored to the line up after injury (and sort of being
> >> dropped) made a great save low

Re: [LU] Reading

[Richard Naef]

Disappointed with 2nd?  It's still a work in progress, we have skilful players 
playing a high intensity style that sometimes is an absolute joy to watch.  
Often it doesn't quite work, but when it does, like for the goal it makes up 
for al the nurdling in the world.

how any Leeds fan isn't on a high given what we've put up with the last 14 
years astounds me.  We all know that at some stage it'll turn to shit, I'm just 
enjoying it while it lasts. 

ttfn

Richard

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of Scott1cairns1
Sent: 28 November 2018 09:56
To: Nick Allen 
Cc: Leeds List 
Subject: Re: [LU] Reading

Can someone explain to me  why when we had our opponents, after the goal on the 
ropes and clearly ‘punchy’ we didn’t finish them off or even try to finish them 
off. Content to push and nurdle the ball square or backwards too many years 
I’ve been watching Leeds defend precarious advantage. If we were under pressure 
the whole game and scored again the ROP I could understand. I thought we had 
turned the corner. So disappointed. 

Best regards,Scott. 

> On 28 Nov 2018, at 08:24, Nick Allen  wrote:
> 
> Agree Dave, oddly thought we looked knackered after 75 minutes.
> 
>> On 28 Nov 2018, at 07:36, "nat...@sky.com"  wrote:
>> 
>> A lot of similarities between this game and Bristol on Saturday - 
>> both had instantly forgettable first halves, followed by much better 
>> second half performances by us and both 3 points and clean 
>> sheetsReading was both a game of two halves and a game of two subs - 
>> the introduction of Siaz and Clarke really turning this game from a 
>> turgid bore fest into a sparkling night of entertaiment (bit of 
>> hyperbole there but not too much) We got inside the ground just in 
>> time to hear a real cheer and an '' from the crowd - I was told 
>> Douglas , not for the first time, had missed with an easy header. Had 
>> that gone in it may have been a different game, as it was Reading for 
>> the most part parked the bus and had all 11 man back defending for 
>> most of the time with the odd worrying foray into our area where they 
>> only created a few half chances For us, Phillips was a make shift 
>> centre half - he did well enough but we did miss some of his passing 
>> further up the pitch, and Baker after a good 5 minute cameo on 
>> Saturday showed why he has barely had a game this season as he really 
>> struggled to make any impact Alioski with whom lots of fans are 
>> losing patience was also anonymous and his most memorable moment was 
>> his attempt to change the 55 (or whatever it is now) games without a 
>> penalty with a dive that was so obvious we could tell from the Revie 
>> Stand and the ref quite rightly booked him Bielsa knew things were 
>> not right and sent on the mercurial wizard Samu Saiz, I love watching 
>> him play, and Jack Clarke a player with immense potential, and it 
>> almost paid dividends in seconds as Clarke beat his man and put a 
>> lovely ball across to Samu whose shot was going to ripple in the back 
>> of the net but got deflected wide instead With these two on the pitch 
>> we looked a totally different team and uppped both our passion and 
>> work rate as Saiz pulled the strings and Clarke had the beating of 
>> the full back We had a few chances and then a lovely cross field pass 
>> came out to the left where Douglas and Pablo combined - Pablo with a 
>> great cheeky back heel and then Douglas' cross was met by Roofe who 
>> could not quite bundle it in, but the ball rebounded off the keeper 
>> to Dallas who poked home from a few yards out 1-0 and game over (we 
>> hoped) We could have had a second when Roofe did everything right 
>> with his downwards header back across the keeper but the keeper made 
>> a top class save - real quality We huffed and puffed a bit after that 
>> but never looked like getting the second that would ahve put it to 
>> bed, instead a rare attack from Reading and as the winger tried to 
>> get his cross in Douglas tangled with him - the ref of course pointed 
>> to the spot - a silly place and an awful time to give away a penalty 
>> However BPF restored to the line up after injury (and sort of being 
>> dropped) made a great save low to his right and tipped it round the 
>> post - tremendous save from a keeper under pressure, who to be fair 
>> had a good night. He showed he is good enough at this level but needs 
>> to cut out the mistakes. Some have said he has cost us points this 
>> season, well he saved us 2 last night A real headache going forward 
>> for Bielsa now - Saiz and Clarke both showed what we are lacking at 
>> times with guile from

Re: [LU] Reading

[John Lee via Leedslist]

Good result, but plenty of food for thought. Yes, Saiz and Clarke gave us far 
more creativity, but we seemed to lose our shape more often with their 
introduction, with the result that a pretty average team could easily have 
nicked points from us. 

Alioski - like others, I think he’s lightweight, a cheat and often under 
produces, BUT the way the ball pings about on the left with him, Douglas etc is 
impressive. Of course if Alioski gets to deliver the final ball it’s usually 
over hit or a crap grubber. His dive was really pathetic.

Baker - I didn’t really see him do anything of note, but we did lose our shape 
once he wasn’t there, so maybe he was of more use than it first appears?

BPF - one of the best penalty saves I’ve seen - he had a very solid game, and 
saved 2 points, as I doubt we’d have scored again if the penalty had gone in.

Up front we were unlucky not to nick a second, but imagine if we had a Jamie 
Vardy up there - we need some quality up front desperately. The Sky commentator 
was wittering on about how Roofe knew he could make it at Championship level - 
well that in itself is contentious, but he’s peaked and unless Bamford is a 
revelation we need to address this in January. 

Crowd noise - seemed like Highbury at times on tv - maybe Sky turned the volume 
down. It seemed louder late on though.

Sent from my iPad

> On 28 Nov 2018, at 10:10, Matt Anderson  wrote:
> 
> You have to give Reading a bit of credit. 3 changes and a might as well lose 
> 2-0 as 1-0
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 28 Nov 2018, at 09:56, Scott1cairns1  wrote:
>> 
>> Can someone explain to me  why when we had our opponents, after the goal on 
>> the ropes and clearly ‘punchy’ we didn’t finish them off or even try to 
>> finish them off. Content to push and nurdle the ball square or backwards too 
>> many years I’ve been watching Leeds defend precarious advantage. If we were 
>> under pressure the whole game and scored again the ROP I could understand. I 
>> thought we had turned the corner. So disappointed. 
>> 
>> Best regards,Scott. 
>> 
>>> On 28 Nov 2018, at 08:24, Nick Allen  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Agree Dave, oddly thought we looked knackered after 75 minutes.
>>> 
 On 28 Nov 2018, at 07:36, "nat...@sky.com"  wrote:
 
 A lot of similarities between this game and Bristol on Saturday - both had 
 instantly forgettable first halves, followed by much better second half 
 performances by us and both 3 points and clean sheetsReading was both a 
 game of two halves and a game of two subs - the introduction of Siaz and 
 Clarke really turning this game from a turgid bore fest into a sparkling 
 night of entertaiment (bit of hyperbole there but not too much)
 We got inside the ground just in time to hear a real cheer and an '' 
 from the crowd - I was told Douglas , not for the first time, had missed 
 with an easy header. Had that gone in it may have been a different game, 
 as it was Reading for the most part parked the bus and had all 11 man back 
 defending for most of the time with the odd worrying foray into our area 
 where they only created a few half chances
 For us, Phillips was a make shift centre half - he did well enough but we 
 did miss some of his passing further up the pitch, and Baker after a good 
 5 minute cameo on Saturday showed why he has barely had a game this season 
 as he really struggled to make any impact
 Alioski with whom lots of fans are losing patience was also anonymous and 
 his most memorable moment was his attempt to change the 55 (or whatever it 
 is now) games without a penalty with a dive that was so obvious we could 
 tell from the Revie Stand and the ref quite rightly booked him
 Bielsa knew things were not right and sent on the mercurial wizard Samu 
 Saiz, I love watching him play, and Jack Clarke a player with immense 
 potential, and it almost paid dividends in seconds as Clarke beat his man 
 and put a lovely ball across to Samu whose shot was going to ripple in the 
 back of the net but got deflected wide instead
 With these two on the pitch we looked a totally different team and uppped 
 both our passion and work rate as Saiz pulled the strings and Clarke had 
 the beating of the full back
 We had a few chances and then a lovely cross field pass came out to the 
 left where Douglas and Pablo combined - Pablo with a great cheeky back 
 heel and then Douglas' cross was met by Roofe who could not quite bundle 
 it in, but the ball rebounded off the keeper to Dallas who poked home from 
 a few yards out 1-0 and game over (we hoped)
 We could have had a second when Roofe did everything right with his 
 downwards header back across the keeper but the keeper made a top class 
 save - real quality
 We huffed and puffed a bit after that but never looked like getting the 
 second that would ahve put it to bed, 

Re: [LU] Reading

[Matt Anderson]

You have to give Reading a bit of credit. 3 changes and a might as well lose 
2-0 as 1-0

Sent from my iPhone

> On 28 Nov 2018, at 09:56, Scott1cairns1  wrote:
> 
> Can someone explain to me  why when we had our opponents, after the goal on 
> the ropes and clearly ‘punchy’ we didn’t finish them off or even try to 
> finish them off. Content to push and nurdle the ball square or backwards too 
> many years I’ve been watching Leeds defend precarious advantage. If we were 
> under pressure the whole game and scored again the ROP I could understand. I 
> thought we had turned the corner. So disappointed. 
> 
> Best regards,Scott. 
> 
>> On 28 Nov 2018, at 08:24, Nick Allen  wrote:
>> 
>> Agree Dave, oddly thought we looked knackered after 75 minutes.
>> 
>>> On 28 Nov 2018, at 07:36, "nat...@sky.com"  wrote:
>>> 
>>> A lot of similarities between this game and Bristol on Saturday - both had 
>>> instantly forgettable first halves, followed by much better second half 
>>> performances by us and both 3 points and clean sheetsReading was both a 
>>> game of two halves and a game of two subs - the introduction of Siaz and 
>>> Clarke really turning this game from a turgid bore fest into a sparkling 
>>> night of entertaiment (bit of hyperbole there but not too much)
>>> We got inside the ground just in time to hear a real cheer and an '' 
>>> from the crowd - I was told Douglas , not for the first time, had missed 
>>> with an easy header. Had that gone in it may have been a different game, as 
>>> it was Reading for the most part parked the bus and had all 11 man back 
>>> defending for most of the time with the odd worrying foray into our area 
>>> where they only created a few half chances
>>> For us, Phillips was a make shift centre half - he did well enough but we 
>>> did miss some of his passing further up the pitch, and Baker after a good 5 
>>> minute cameo on Saturday showed why he has barely had a game this season as 
>>> he really struggled to make any impact
>>> Alioski with whom lots of fans are losing patience was also anonymous and 
>>> his most memorable moment was his attempt to change the 55 (or whatever it 
>>> is now) games without a penalty with a dive that was so obvious we could 
>>> tell from the Revie Stand and the ref quite rightly booked him
>>> Bielsa knew things were not right and sent on the mercurial wizard Samu 
>>> Saiz, I love watching him play, and Jack Clarke a player with immense 
>>> potential, and it almost paid dividends in seconds as Clarke beat his man 
>>> and put a lovely ball across to Samu whose shot was going to ripple in the 
>>> back of the net but got deflected wide instead
>>> With these two on the pitch we looked a totally different team and uppped 
>>> both our passion and work rate as Saiz pulled the strings and Clarke had 
>>> the beating of the full back
>>> We had a few chances and then a lovely cross field pass came out to the 
>>> left where Douglas and Pablo combined - Pablo with a great cheeky back heel 
>>> and then Douglas' cross was met by Roofe who could not quite bundle it in, 
>>> but the ball rebounded off the keeper to Dallas who poked home from a few 
>>> yards out 1-0 and game over (we hoped)
>>> We could have had a second when Roofe did everything right with his 
>>> downwards header back across the keeper but the keeper made a top class 
>>> save - real quality
>>> We huffed and puffed a bit after that but never looked like getting the 
>>> second that would ahve put it to bed, instead a rare attack from Reading 
>>> and as the winger tried to get his cross in Douglas tangled with him - the 
>>> ref of course pointed to the spot - a silly place and an awful time to give 
>>> away a penalty
>>> However BPF restored to the line up after injury (and sort of being 
>>> dropped) made a great save low to his right and tipped it round the post - 
>>> tremendous save from a keeper under pressure, who to be fair had a good 
>>> night. He showed he is good enough at this level but needs to cut out the 
>>> mistakes. Some have said he has cost us points this season, well he saved 
>>> us 2 last night
>>> A real headache going forward for Bielsa now - Saiz and Clarke both showed 
>>> what we are lacking at times with guile from one and directness from the 
>>> other, and both need to get more time on the pitch
>>> So happy enough - not great performances but two home wins in 4 days - 
>>> something we have failed to do in the past against two lower table teams
>>> Points dropped by Norwich and Boro added to my satisfaction on the night - 
>>> onwards and upwards
>>> Dave
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>> 
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Re: [LU] Reading

[Scott1cairns1]

Can someone explain to me  why when we had our opponents, after the goal on the 
ropes and clearly ‘punchy’ we didn’t finish them off or even try to finish them 
off. Content to push and nurdle the ball square or backwards too many years 
I’ve been watching Leeds defend precarious advantage. If we were under pressure 
the whole game and scored again the ROP I could understand. I thought we had 
turned the corner. So disappointed. 

Best regards,Scott. 

> On 28 Nov 2018, at 08:24, Nick Allen  wrote:
> 
> Agree Dave, oddly thought we looked knackered after 75 minutes.
> 
>> On 28 Nov 2018, at 07:36, "nat...@sky.com"  wrote:
>> 
>> A lot of similarities between this game and Bristol on Saturday - both had 
>> instantly forgettable first halves, followed by much better second half 
>> performances by us and both 3 points and clean sheetsReading was both a game 
>> of two halves and a game of two subs - the introduction of Siaz and Clarke 
>> really turning this game from a turgid bore fest into a sparkling night of 
>> entertaiment (bit of hyperbole there but not too much)
>> We got inside the ground just in time to hear a real cheer and an '' 
>> from the crowd - I was told Douglas , not for the first time, had missed 
>> with an easy header. Had that gone in it may have been a different game, as 
>> it was Reading for the most part parked the bus and had all 11 man back 
>> defending for most of the time with the odd worrying foray into our area 
>> where they only created a few half chances
>> For us, Phillips was a make shift centre half - he did well enough but we 
>> did miss some of his passing further up the pitch, and Baker after a good 5 
>> minute cameo on Saturday showed why he has barely had a game this season as 
>> he really struggled to make any impact
>> Alioski with whom lots of fans are losing patience was also anonymous and 
>> his most memorable moment was his attempt to change the 55 (or whatever it 
>> is now) games without a penalty with a dive that was so obvious we could 
>> tell from the Revie Stand and the ref quite rightly booked him
>> Bielsa knew things were not right and sent on the mercurial wizard Samu 
>> Saiz, I love watching him play, and Jack Clarke a player with immense 
>> potential, and it almost paid dividends in seconds as Clarke beat his man 
>> and put a lovely ball across to Samu whose shot was going to ripple in the 
>> back of the net but got deflected wide instead
>> With these two on the pitch we looked a totally different team and uppped 
>> both our passion and work rate as Saiz pulled the strings and Clarke had the 
>> beating of the full back
>> We had a few chances and then a lovely cross field pass came out to the left 
>> where Douglas and Pablo combined - Pablo with a great cheeky back heel and 
>> then Douglas' cross was met by Roofe who could not quite bundle it in, but 
>> the ball rebounded off the keeper to Dallas who poked home from a few yards 
>> out 1-0 and game over (we hoped)
>> We could have had a second when Roofe did everything right with his 
>> downwards header back across the keeper but the keeper made a top class save 
>> - real quality
>> We huffed and puffed a bit after that but never looked like getting the 
>> second that would ahve put it to bed, instead a rare attack from Reading and 
>> as the winger tried to get his cross in Douglas tangled with him - the ref 
>> of course pointed to the spot - a silly place and an awful time to give away 
>> a penalty
>> However BPF restored to the line up after injury (and sort of being dropped) 
>> made a great save low to his right and tipped it round the post - tremendous 
>> save from a keeper under pressure, who to be fair had a good night. He 
>> showed he is good enough at this level but needs to cut out the mistakes. 
>> Some have said he has cost us points this season, well he saved us 2 last 
>> night
>> A real headache going forward for Bielsa now - Saiz and Clarke both showed 
>> what we are lacking at times with guile from one and directness from the 
>> other, and both need to get more time on the pitch
>> So happy enough - not great performances but two home wins in 4 days - 
>> something we have failed to do in the past against two lower table teams
>> Points dropped by Norwich and Boro added to my satisfaction on the night - 
>> onwards and upwards
>> Dave
>> ___
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Re: [LU] Reading

[Nick Allen]

Agree Dave, oddly thought we looked knackered after 75 minutes.

> On 28 Nov 2018, at 07:36, "nat...@sky.com"  wrote:
> 
> A lot of similarities between this game and Bristol on Saturday - both had 
> instantly forgettable first halves, followed by much better second half 
> performances by us and both 3 points and clean sheetsReading was both a game 
> of two halves and a game of two subs - the introduction of Siaz and Clarke 
> really turning this game from a turgid bore fest into a sparkling night of 
> entertaiment (bit of hyperbole there but not too much)
> We got inside the ground just in time to hear a real cheer and an '' from 
> the crowd - I was told Douglas , not for the first time, had missed with an 
> easy header. Had that gone in it may have been a different game, as it was 
> Reading for the most part parked the bus and had all 11 man back defending 
> for most of the time with the odd worrying foray into our area where they 
> only created a few half chances
> For us, Phillips was a make shift centre half - he did well enough but we did 
> miss some of his passing further up the pitch, and Baker after a good 5 
> minute cameo on Saturday showed why he has barely had a game this season as 
> he really struggled to make any impact
> Alioski with whom lots of fans are losing patience was also anonymous and his 
> most memorable moment was his attempt to change the 55 (or whatever it is 
> now) games without a penalty with a dive that was so obvious we could tell 
> from the Revie Stand and the ref quite rightly booked him
> Bielsa knew things were not right and sent on the mercurial wizard Samu Saiz, 
> I love watching him play, and Jack Clarke a player with immense potential, 
> and it almost paid dividends in seconds as Clarke beat his man and put a 
> lovely ball across to Samu whose shot was going to ripple in the back of the 
> net but got deflected wide instead
> With these two on the pitch we looked a totally different team and uppped 
> both our passion and work rate as Saiz pulled the strings and Clarke had the 
> beating of the full back
> We had a few chances and then a lovely cross field pass came out to the left 
> where Douglas and Pablo combined - Pablo with a great cheeky back heel and 
> then Douglas' cross was met by Roofe who could not quite bundle it in, but 
> the ball rebounded off the keeper to Dallas who poked home from a few yards 
> out 1-0 and game over (we hoped)
> We could have had a second when Roofe did everything right with his downwards 
> header back across the keeper but the keeper made a top class save - real 
> quality
> We huffed and puffed a bit after that but never looked like getting the 
> second that would ahve put it to bed, instead a rare attack from Reading and 
> as the winger tried to get his cross in Douglas tangled with him - the ref of 
> course pointed to the spot - a silly place and an awful time to give away a 
> penalty
> However BPF restored to the line up after injury (and sort of being dropped) 
> made a great save low to his right and tipped it round the post - tremendous 
> save from a keeper under pressure, who to be fair had a good night. He showed 
> he is good enough at this level but needs to cut out the mistakes. Some have 
> said he has cost us points this season, well he saved us 2 last night
> A real headache going forward for Bielsa now - Saiz and Clarke both showed 
> what we are lacking at times with guile from one and directness from the 
> other, and both need to get more time on the pitch
> So happy enough - not great performances but two home wins in 4 days - 
> something we have failed to do in the past against two lower table teams
> Points dropped by Norwich and Boro added to my satisfaction on the night - 
> onwards and upwards
> Dave
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[LU] Reading

[nat...@sky.com]

A lot of similarities between this game and Bristol on Saturday - both had 
instantly forgettable first halves, followed by much better second half 
performances by us and both 3 points and clean sheetsReading was both a game of 
two halves and a game of two subs - the introduction of Siaz and Clarke really 
turning this game from a turgid bore fest into a sparkling night of 
entertaiment (bit of hyperbole there but not too much)
We got inside the ground just in time to hear a real cheer and an '' from 
the crowd - I was told Douglas , not for the first time, had missed with an 
easy header. Had that gone in it may have been a different game, as it was 
Reading for the most part parked the bus and had all 11 man back defending for 
most of the time with the odd worrying foray into our area where they only 
created a few half chances
For us, Phillips was a make shift centre half - he did well enough but we did 
miss some of his passing further up the pitch, and Baker after a good 5 minute 
cameo on Saturday showed why he has barely had a game this season as he really 
struggled to make any impact
Alioski with whom lots of fans are losing patience was also anonymous and his 
most memorable moment was his attempt to change the 55 (or whatever it is now) 
games without a penalty with a dive that was so obvious we could tell from the 
Revie Stand and the ref quite rightly booked him
Bielsa knew things were not right and sent on the mercurial wizard Samu Saiz, I 
love watching him play, and Jack Clarke a player with immense potential, and it 
almost paid dividends in seconds as Clarke beat his man and put a lovely ball 
across to Samu whose shot was going to ripple in the back of the net but got 
deflected wide instead
With these two on the pitch we looked a totally different team and uppped both 
our passion and work rate as Saiz pulled the strings and Clarke had the beating 
of the full back
We had a few chances and then a lovely cross field pass came out to the left 
where Douglas and Pablo combined - Pablo with a great cheeky back heel and then 
Douglas' cross was met by Roofe who could not quite bundle it in, but the ball 
rebounded off the keeper to Dallas who poked home from a few yards out 1-0 and 
game over (we hoped)
We could have had a second when Roofe did everything right with his downwards 
header back across the keeper but the keeper made a top class save - real 
quality
We huffed and puffed a bit after that but never looked like getting the second 
that would ahve put it to bed, instead a rare attack from Reading and as the 
winger tried to get his cross in Douglas tangled with him - the ref of course 
pointed to the spot - a silly place and an awful time to give away a penalty
However BPF restored to the line up after injury (and sort of being dropped) 
made a great save low to his right and tipped it round the post - tremendous 
save from a keeper under pressure, who to be fair had a good night. He showed 
he is good enough at this level but needs to cut out the mistakes. Some have 
said he has cost us points this season, well he saved us 2 last night
A real headache going forward for Bielsa now - Saiz and Clarke both showed what 
we are lacking at times with guile from one and directness from the other, and 
both need to get more time on the pitch
So happy enough - not great performances but two home wins in 4 days - 
something we have failed to do in the past against two lower table teams
Points dropped by Norwich and Boro added to my satisfaction on the night - 
onwards and upwards
Dave
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Re: [LU] Reading

[Richard Walker via Leedslist]

 Missed Lewis Baker - 5  he just didn't do enough for me. 
   
 
 
  
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[LU] Reading

[Richard Walker via Leedslist]

Couldn't attend tonight so view is from the armchair:
I don't think it was convincing which it hasn't been for a while but that's 
another home win against a lively Reading team. The penalty save was excellent 
and I was pleased for Peacock who I thought was excellent throughout. The 
penalty raised my question about Douglas who I don't think can defend. He 
really struggled tonight and he frequently gets beat or has to foul the 
opposition player. I think Sky gave him man of the match and if they did that 
was a bad decision. Yes going forward he's probably the best left back in the 
league but I am worried about his defensive abilities. Together with Dallas at 
right back I think we've got some problems at the back that the better teams 
will expose.
I thought first half we were too pedestrian and it's all too predictable. I 
thought Roofe was lively up front and was unlucky not to get a brace but I 
still maintain that playing up front on his own is too limited and relies on 
midfielders doing something special. 
The changes at half-time had two affects. First, it gave us more attacking 
options especially on the right with Clarke however on the minus side I thought 
it opened up midfield and they took a bit of control and started to look 
threatening. 
Hernandez had one of those frustrating games where he got in to half a dozen 
excellent positions but wasted everyone. 
Scores:
Peacock - 10. Great penalty save coupled with commanding his area well / good 
distribution. 
Dallas - 7. I thought he did well coming forward first half but second half he 
was out of position a couple of times. Not surprising given he's stood in the 
opposition box scoring goals.
Douglas - 5. I thought defensively he was very poor tonight. Yes he did well 
coming forward especially for the goal but he's a defender first and foremost. 
Cooper - 9. I thought he was tremendous. Last man on many occassions, cleaning 
up and putting in the last tackle on numerous occassions. I've never been a big 
fan because I think he's always a minute away from a f'ck up but he's looking 
very confident at the moment. 
Philips - 8. Playing at centre back for the first time, he didn't put a foot 
wrong an put plenty of good tackles in. 
Forshaw - 7. I thought he was a bit negative tonight. Most of his passes were 
backwards and he seemed to be isolated at times. 
Klich - 6. Plenty of good running in the first half and he was involved in our 
best moves but it's not really happening for him at the moment. Probably since 
the fans starting singing that awful song. He'll probably never score again. 
Allioski - 3. Disgraceful dive first half. I can't stand him, he's an awful 
player. Glad he was dragged off at half-time 
Roofe - 8. I thought he was excellent. On his own up front must be hard when 
your 4 ft 10. He was lucky not to score and worked really hard. 
Hernandez - 6. Not his best game but still lots of running and was involved in 
the goal. 
Subs:
Clarke - more effective than Allioski. Not everything came off and he arguably 
should have played Siaz in on the break but he was off side. The thing I liked 
about him is that even when something didn't come off he wasn't scared to get 
hold of the ball and run at Reading. Exciting player. 
Siaz - made a difference. 
Shackleton - busy 
Big game Saturday. Hope Jansson is fit. 

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Re: [LU] Reading

[{broken-address}]

I can't believe how poor we are. Their second goal all stemmed from 
Pennington's astonishing inability to hit a straightforward volley unchallenged 
into their net from about seven yards out. We should have been 3-1 up but 
instead were pegged back to 2-2 within seconds. Pennington's miss was the 
turning point for me. We are also a team with absolutely no luck  - witness 
Lasogga's charge down bouncing back off the inside of the post. This team needs 
a complete overhaul, and I very much doubt Orta is the man to oversee that. How 
many league goals has Ekuban scroed for us so far? What about Grot? Surely more 
than the man they were bought to replace, right? Oh.


Thoroughly pissed off.


Sean



-Original Message-
From: {broken-address} Richard Walker 
<richleed...@yahoo.co.uk.is-broken.gn.apc.org>
To: Simon McNally <simon_mcna...@sky.com>; {broken-address} Richard Walker 
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Cc: leedslist <leedslist@gn.apc.org>; {broken-address} 
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Sent: Sat, Mar 10, 2018 12:01 pm
Subject: [LU] Reading

two relegation teams going for it. Mistake after mistake after mistake which 
made for an entertaining game but fuck me some of them players really need to 
learn the basics. We battled hard but it was frustrating to watch us give the 
ball away time and time again - Saiz (yes him), Pennignton, De Bock, Beradi, 
O'Kane  just about everyone. Great goal from Hernandez, he delivered again. 
Not really sure where this team is going ?Bailey Peacock - 6. Didn't do much 
wrong but a stronger , bigger keeper might have done bettwe for O'Kanes own 
goalBeradi - 4. Thought he really struggled against paceDe Bock - 2. Terrible 
Jansson - 5. Looked shaky at times and at fault for first goalPennington - 5. 
All over the shop and poor distributionForshaw - 6. Battled and ran hard but no 
quality in his game whatsoeverO'Kane - 2. Own goal ws his only contribution. 
Shite Herandez - 7. Great goal Saiz - 5. Nothing came off for him todayAllioski 
- 6. One of his better games. Worked hard and had 2 near goal 
 efforts one hitting the postEkuban - 5. Lively at times but no end product 
Subs:Pistol Pete - unlucky with his charge down. Dallas - no affect feels like 
a loss. reading are terrible but they caused us all sorts of problems.  
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[LU] Reading

[{broken-address} Richard Walker]

 two relegation teams going for it. Mistake after mistake after mistake which 
made for an entertaining game but fuck me some of them players really need to 
learn the basics. 
We battled hard but it was frustrating to watch us give the ball away time and 
time again - Saiz (yes him), Pennignton, De Bock, Beradi, O'Kane  just 
about everyone. 
Great goal from Hernandez, he delivered again. 
Not really sure where this team is going ?
Bailey Peacock - 6. Didn't do much wrong but a stronger , bigger keeper might 
have done bettwe for O'Kanes own goal
Beradi - 4. Thought he really struggled against pace
De Bock - 2. Terrible 
Jansson - 5. Looked shaky at times and at fault for first goal
Pennington - 5. All over the shop and poor distribution
Forshaw - 6. Battled and ran hard but no quality in his game whatsoever
O'Kane - 2. Own goal ws his only contribution. Shite 
Herandez - 7. Great goal 
Saiz - 5. Nothing came off for him today
Allioski - 6. One of his better games. Worked hard and had 2 near goal efforts 
one hitting the post
Ekuban - 5. Lively at times but no end product 
Subs:
Pistol Pete - unlucky with his charge down. 
Dallas - no affect 
feels like a loss. reading are terrible but they caused us all sorts of 
problems. 

   
  
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Re: [LU] Reading and Sheff U winners

[Simon McNally]

Agree with losing Wood late but I’m getting frustrated by Lasogga. He’s arrived 
with a reputation as a decent player but for me he gets bullied off the ball 
too easily. Yesterday there were several occasions where he didn’t even bother 
jumping for the header. Late on as we were pushing for the equaliser he was 
stood off side. I think we’re seeing why Hamburg weren’t playing him.
Take your point about them working on things but comes back to my point about 
them not been good enough to play this way - I think Cooper and Pennington lack 
the skill to pass consistently to Lonergan’s left side.

S

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> On 28 Oct 2017, at 09:58, Richard Naef <rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk> 
> wrote:
> 
> We lost wood to late to get a proper replacement and ekuban got crocked early 
> on. So he's been a little unlucky, yet we've still scored more goals than 
> last season. You say you've noticed issues and wonder why they haven't, maybe 
> they have and are working on it? In the real football world things sometimes 
> take time to change, for players' mindsets and skill to change/improve.
> 
> 
> Sent from my Mobile
> 
> ---- Original Message 
> Subject: Re: [LU] Reading and Sheff U winners
> From: Simon McNally 
> To: Jim Moran 
> CC: Leeds List 
> 
> I think recent weeks have highlighted some pretty major issues.
> Playing out from the back is a perfectly laudable strategy and belief but I’m 
> not convinced our players are up to it. As Dr Mike said, we’ve signed a 
> goalkeeper who’s good with the ball but is garbage at actually stopping the 
> ball going in the net. TC correctly replaces him with Lonergan but he’s not 
> as comfortable with the ball (especially when the defenders play it to his 
> right side when he’s under pressure - if I’ve noticed he’s left footed why 
> haven’t they?) or as accurate with his passing. Then there’s the defenders 
> themselves - the number of times Cooper , Pennington or Ayling got caught in 
> possession was ridiculous. We invite pressure on ourselves. Then you’ve got 
> Lasogga who barely wins a header and half the time doesn’t even jump. For 
> someone who’s 6’3” and looks powerfully built, he doesn’t half get bullied 
> off the ball. If you were writing a scouting report on us you’d just say 
> “press high and they’ll either lose possession in a bad area or kick it long 
> and give possession straight back.”
> We desperately need a forward that actually leads the line properly so 
> kicking it long when under pressure is actually a viable option.
> 
> Simon
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On 28 Oct 2017, at 00:17, Jim Moran <j...@jimmoran.co.uk> wrote:
> > 
> > Worth having you back for. Spot on.
> > 
> > 
> >> On Sat, 28 Oct 2017 at 00:10, Michael Benjamin <m...@myray.com> wrote:
> >> 
> >> I am not a knee-jerk sack the manager. All the same, I do believe in
> >> taking responsibility. In an upgraded state of the art salt and pepper pot
> >> interview, we got our surprise head coach. He told a great tale about
> >> sweeper goalies. So we brought in a failed German goalie and let an English
> >> international go. Just look how catastrophic that was. This was a major act
> >> of arrogance, naivety and stupidity. Its failure is the bedrock of our
> >> present dithering. IMO it has cost us the season.  The hiring was naïve;
> >> yet again.
> >> I am Leeds born and proud of it. Two events happened within days which
> >> made me think. Israel won a world wrestling event in Abu Dhabi. The Arabs
> >> refused to fly the Israeli flag and play the anthem; the winner sang it..
> >> Moreover, Catalonia -- which is Barca; went for independence. What am I
> >> trying to say? Sport is about pride and belonging. It is not a brand and
> >> cannot be foisted off onto oil-rich decadents, Russian robber-barons or
> >> some soulless multi-national tax evader.
> >> Leeds United is at least Yorkshire, the owners and the spirit must be
> >> Leeds. Fuck these saviours and poncey whatever. It is not Yorkshire it is
> >> not Leeds. What is there about the way our club is run that is Leeds? The
> >> answer is fuck-all. TBH I prefer to be Crewe Alexander with a soul than a
> >> soulless modern team.
> >> Leeds United is not Leeds and not United. We are soccer starved, and we
> >> are being conned. Until we have either a Yorkshire consortium or supporter
> >> representation, nothing will change.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Dr  Michael Benjamin,
> >> Community Psychiatrist.
> >> 
> >> SKYPE: BEDENOGA
> >> PHONE: +972-505-317772
> >> B

Re: [LU] Reading and Sheff U winners

[Richard Naef]

We lost wood to late to get a proper replacement and ekuban got crocked early 
on. So he's been a little unlucky, yet we've still scored more goals than last 
season. You say you've noticed issues and wonder why they haven't, maybe they 
have and are working on it? In the real football world things sometimes take 
time to change, for players' mindsets and skill to change/improve.


Sent from my Mobile

 Original Message 
Subject: Re: [LU] Reading and Sheff U winners
From: Simon McNally
To: Jim Moran
CC: Leeds List

I think recent weeks have highlighted some pretty major issues.
Playing out from the back is a perfectly laudable strategy and belief but I’m 
not convinced our players are up to it. As Dr Mike said, we’ve signed a 
goalkeeper who’s good with the ball but is garbage at actually stopping the 
ball going in the net. TC correctly replaces him with Lonergan but he’s not as 
comfortable with the ball (especially when the defenders play it to his right 
side when he’s under pressure - if I’ve noticed he’s left footed why haven’t 
they?) or as accurate with his passing. Then there’s the defenders themselves - 
the number of times Cooper , Pennington or Ayling got caught in possession was 
ridiculous. We invite pressure on ourselves. Then you’ve got Lasogga who barely 
wins a header and half the time doesn’t even jump. For someone who’s 6’3” and 
looks powerfully built, he doesn’t half get bullied off the ball. If you were 
writing a scouting report on us you’d just say “press high and they’ll either 
lose possession in a bad area or kick it long and give possession straight 
back.”
We desperately need a forward that actually leads the line properly so kicking 
it long when under pressure is actually a viable option.

Simon

Sent from my iPhone

> On 28 Oct 2017, at 00:17, Jim Moran <j...@jimmoran.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Worth having you back for. Spot on.
>
>
>> On Sat, 28 Oct 2017 at 00:10, Michael Benjamin <m...@myray.com> wrote:
>>
>> I am not a knee-jerk sack the manager. All the same, I do believe in
>> taking responsibility. In an upgraded state of the art salt and pepper pot
>> interview, we got our surprise head coach. He told a great tale about
>> sweeper goalies. So we brought in a failed German goalie and let an English
>> international go. Just look how catastrophic that was. This was a major act
>> of arrogance, naivety and stupidity. Its failure is the bedrock of our
>> present dithering. IMO it has cost us the season.  The hiring was naïve;
>> yet again.
>> I am Leeds born and proud of it. Two events happened within days which
>> made me think. Israel won a world wrestling event in Abu Dhabi. The Arabs
>> refused to fly the Israeli flag and play the anthem; the winner sang it.
>> Moreover, Catalonia -- which is Barca; went for independence. What am I
>> trying to say? Sport is about pride and belonging. It is not a brand and
>> cannot be foisted off onto oil-rich decadents, Russian robber-barons or
>> some soulless multi-national tax evader.
>> Leeds United is at least Yorkshire, the owners and the spirit must be
>> Leeds. Fuck these saviours and poncey whatever. It is not Yorkshire it is
>> not Leeds. What is there about the way our club is run that is Leeds? The
>> answer is fuck-all. TBH I prefer to be Crewe Alexander with a soul than a
>> soulless modern team.
>> Leeds United is not Leeds and not United. We are soccer starved, and we
>> are being conned. Until we have either a Yorkshire consortium or supporter
>> representation, nothing will change.
>>
>>
>> Dr  Michael Benjamin,
>> Community Psychiatrist.
>>
>> SKYPE: BEDENOGA
>> PHONE: +972-505-317772
>> BLOG: Times Of Israel ||Quora ||Jerusalem Post
>> AMAZON AUTHORS PAGE;
>> myRay: Online CBT
>>
>> |-Original Message-
>> |From: Leedslist [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of Graham
>> |Farr
>> |Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2017 12:19 AM
>> |To: Leeds List <leedslist@gn.apc.org>
>> |Subject: [LU] Reading and Sheff U winners
>> |
>> |Identicaldo we learn anything ?
>> |Interviews Wildernot happy... but wonour clown...rabbit in
>> |headlights...time to go TC...out your depth mate.
>> |
>> |
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Re: [LU] Reading and Sheff U winners

[Simon McNally]

I think recent weeks have highlighted some pretty major issues.
Playing out from the back is a perfectly laudable strategy and belief but I’m 
not convinced our players are up to it. As Dr Mike said, we’ve signed a 
goalkeeper who’s good with the ball but is garbage at actually stopping the 
ball going in the net. TC correctly replaces him with Lonergan but he’s not as 
comfortable with the ball (especially when the defenders play it to his right 
side when he’s under pressure - if I’ve noticed he’s left footed why haven’t 
they?) or as accurate with his passing. Then there’s the defenders themselves - 
the number of times Cooper , Pennington or Ayling got caught in possession was 
ridiculous. We invite pressure on ourselves. Then you’ve got Lasogga who barely 
wins a header and half the time doesn’t even jump. For someone who’s 6’3” and 
looks powerfully built, he doesn’t half get bullied off the ball. If you were 
writing a scouting report on us you’d just say “press high and they’ll either 
lose possession in a bad area or kick it long and give possession straight 
back.”
We desperately need a forward that actually leads the line properly so kicking 
it long when under pressure is actually a viable option.

Simon

Sent from my iPhone

> On 28 Oct 2017, at 00:17, Jim Moran <j...@jimmoran.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Worth having you back for. Spot on.
> 
> 
>> On Sat, 28 Oct 2017 at 00:10, Michael Benjamin <m...@myray.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I am not a knee-jerk sack the manager. All the same, I do believe in
>> taking responsibility. In an upgraded state of the art salt and pepper pot
>> interview, we got our surprise head coach. He told a great tale about
>> sweeper goalies. So we brought in a failed German goalie and let an English
>> international go. Just look how catastrophic that was. This was a major act
>> of arrogance, naivety and stupidity. Its failure is the bedrock of our
>> present dithering. IMO it has cost us the season.  The hiring was naïve;
>> yet again.
>> I am Leeds born and proud of it. Two events happened within days which
>> made me think. Israel won a world wrestling event in Abu Dhabi. The Arabs
>> refused to fly the Israeli flag and play the anthem; the winner sang it.
>> Moreover, Catalonia -- which is Barca; went for independence. What am I
>> trying to say? Sport is about pride and belonging. It is not a brand and
>> cannot be foisted off onto oil-rich decadents, Russian robber-barons or
>> some soulless multi-national tax evader.
>> Leeds United is at least Yorkshire, the owners and the spirit must be
>> Leeds. Fuck these saviours and poncey whatever. It is not Yorkshire it is
>> not Leeds. What is there about the way our club is run that is Leeds? The
>> answer is fuck-all. TBH I prefer to be Crewe Alexander with a soul than a
>> soulless modern team.
>> Leeds United is not Leeds and not United. We are soccer starved, and we
>> are being conned. Until we have either a Yorkshire consortium or supporter
>> representation, nothing will change.
>> 
>> 
>> Dr  Michael Benjamin,
>> Community Psychiatrist.
>> 
>> SKYPE: BEDENOGA
>> PHONE: +972-505-317772
>> BLOG: Times Of Israel ||Quora ||Jerusalem Post
>> AMAZON AUTHORS PAGE;
>> myRay: Online CBT
>> 
>> |-Original Message-
>> |From: Leedslist [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of Graham
>> |Farr
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>> |
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Re: [LU] Reading and Sheff U winners

[{broken-address} Nicholas Armit]

You are saying you have to be from Yorkshire for the club to be successful? If 
you aren’t then you don’t “get it”? WTF does Catalonian independence have to do 
with Green leaving the club?

Since May we have our stadium back. That is the biggest step forward this club 
has made in 15 years. The club is talking to supporters again for the first 
time in years. This should not be forgotten because of a few bad results. I 
feel even if we have a season of mediocrity we are at least a stable and 
functioning club. 

Nick 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 27, 2017, at 7:17 PM, Jim Moran <j...@jimmoran.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Worth having you back for. Spot on.
> 
> 
>> On Sat, 28 Oct 2017 at 00:10, Michael Benjamin <m...@myray.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I am not a knee-jerk sack the manager. All the same, I do believe in
>> taking responsibility. In an upgraded state of the art salt and pepper pot
>> interview, we got our surprise head coach. He told a great tale about
>> sweeper goalies. So we brought in a failed German goalie and let an English
>> international go. Just look how catastrophic that was. This was a major act
>> of arrogance, naivety and stupidity. Its failure is the bedrock of our
>> present dithering. IMO it has cost us the season.  The hiring was naïve;
>> yet again.
>> I am Leeds born and proud of it. Two events happened within days which
>> made me think. Israel won a world wrestling event in Abu Dhabi. The Arabs
>> refused to fly the Israeli flag and play the anthem; the winner sang it.
>> Moreover, Catalonia -- which is Barca; went for independence. What am I
>> trying to say? Sport is about pride and belonging. It is not a brand and
>> cannot be foisted off onto oil-rich decadents, Russian robber-barons or
>> some soulless multi-national tax evader.
>> Leeds United is at least Yorkshire, the owners and the spirit must be
>> Leeds. Fuck these saviours and poncey whatever. It is not Yorkshire it is
>> not Leeds. What is there about the way our club is run that is Leeds? The
>> answer is fuck-all. TBH I prefer to be Crewe Alexander with a soul than a
>> soulless modern team.
>> Leeds United is not Leeds and not United. We are soccer starved, and we
>> are being conned. Until we have either a Yorkshire consortium or supporter
>> representation, nothing will change.
>> 
>> 
>> Dr  Michael Benjamin,
>> Community Psychiatrist.
>> 
>> SKYPE: BEDENOGA
>> PHONE: +972-505-317772
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>> |Subject: [LU] Reading and Sheff U winners
>> |
>> |Identicaldo we learn anything ?
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Re: [LU] Reading and Sheff U winners

[Jim Moran]

Worth having you back for. Spot on.


On Sat, 28 Oct 2017 at 00:10, Michael Benjamin <m...@myray.com> wrote:

> I am not a knee-jerk sack the manager. All the same, I do believe in
> taking responsibility. In an upgraded state of the art salt and pepper pot
> interview, we got our surprise head coach. He told a great tale about
> sweeper goalies. So we brought in a failed German goalie and let an English
> international go. Just look how catastrophic that was. This was a major act
> of arrogance, naivety and stupidity. Its failure is the bedrock of our
> present dithering. IMO it has cost us the season.  The hiring was naïve;
> yet again.
> I am Leeds born and proud of it. Two events happened within days which
> made me think. Israel won a world wrestling event in Abu Dhabi. The Arabs
> refused to fly the Israeli flag and play the anthem; the winner sang it.
> Moreover, Catalonia -- which is Barca; went for independence. What am I
> trying to say? Sport is about pride and belonging. It is not a brand and
> cannot be foisted off onto oil-rich decadents, Russian robber-barons or
> some soulless multi-national tax evader.
> Leeds United is at least Yorkshire, the owners and the spirit must be
> Leeds. Fuck these saviours and poncey whatever. It is not Yorkshire it is
> not Leeds. What is there about the way our club is run that is Leeds? The
> answer is fuck-all. TBH I prefer to be Crewe Alexander with a soul than a
> soulless modern team.
> Leeds United is not Leeds and not United. We are soccer starved, and we
> are being conned. Until we have either a Yorkshire consortium or supporter
> representation, nothing will change.
>
>
> Dr  Michael Benjamin,
> Community Psychiatrist.
>
> SKYPE: BEDENOGA
> PHONE: +972-505-317772
> BLOG: Times Of Israel ||Quora ||Jerusalem Post
> AMAZON AUTHORS PAGE;
> myRay: Online CBT
>
> |-Original Message-
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> |Farr
> |Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2017 12:19 AM
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> |Subject: [LU] Reading and Sheff U winners
> |
> |Identicaldo we learn anything ?
> |Interviews Wildernot happy... but wonour clown...rabbit in
> |headlights...time to go TC...out your depth mate.
> |
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Re: [LU] Reading and Sheff U winners

[Michael Benjamin]

I am not a knee-jerk sack the manager. All the same, I do believe in taking 
responsibility. In an upgraded state of the art salt and pepper pot interview, 
we got our surprise head coach. He told a great tale about sweeper goalies. So 
we brought in a failed German goalie and let an English international go. Just 
look how catastrophic that was. This was a major act of arrogance, naivety and 
stupidity. Its failure is the bedrock of our present dithering. IMO it has cost 
us the season.  The hiring was naïve; yet again. 
I am Leeds born and proud of it. Two events happened within days which made me 
think. Israel won a world wrestling event in Abu Dhabi. The Arabs refused to 
fly the Israeli flag and play the anthem; the winner sang it. Moreover, 
Catalonia -- which is Barca; went for independence. What am I trying to say? 
Sport is about pride and belonging. It is not a brand and cannot be foisted off 
onto oil-rich decadents, Russian robber-barons or some soulless multi-national 
tax evader. 
Leeds United is at least Yorkshire, the owners and the spirit must be Leeds. 
Fuck these saviours and poncey whatever. It is not Yorkshire it is not Leeds. 
What is there about the way our club is run that is Leeds? The answer is 
fuck-all. TBH I prefer to be Crewe Alexander with a soul than a soulless modern 
team. 
Leeds United is not Leeds and not United. We are soccer starved, and we are 
being conned. Until we have either a Yorkshire consortium or supporter 
representation, nothing will change.


Dr  Michael Benjamin, 
Community Psychiatrist.

SKYPE: BEDENOGA
PHONE: +972-505-317772
BLOG: Times Of Israel ||Quora ||Jerusalem Post
AMAZON AUTHORS PAGE; 
myRay: Online CBT

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|
|Identicaldo we learn anything ?
|Interviews Wildernot happy... but wonour clown...rabbit in
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|
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[LU] Reading and Sheff U winners

[Graham Farr]

Identicaldo we learn anything ?
Interviews Wildernot happy... but wonour clown...rabbit in 
headlights...time to go TC...out your depth mate.


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Re: [LU] Reading

[{broken-address} Richard Walker]

I wouldn't say Jansson has been shit I think he's suffering from stability at 
the back in the form of a decent partner and a decent keeper, wherea Cooper's 
performances against Cardiff and Reading have been atrocious.

  From: Rob Heath <rhe...@hkis.edu.hk>
 To: Tim Whelan <tim.whe...@talk21.com> 
Cc: "leedslist@gn.apc.org" <leedslist@gn.apc.org>; {broken-address} Richard 
Walker <richleed...@yahoo.co.uk.is-broken.gn.apc.org>
 Sent: Tuesday, 17 October 2017, 13:41
 Subject: Re: [LU] Reading
   
I knew there was (at least one) other one.

It seems to be our curse.

Probably lucky we didn't sign Bartlett.

On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 8:11 PM, Tim Whelan <tim.whe...@talk21.com> wrote:

> We can add Ľubomír Michalík to the list of Central Defenders who were good
> on loan (in the Championship at the end of 2006/7) but rubbish once signed
> permanently (in League One up 2010, though mostly on the bench in his
> latter days). Possibly the only one to look worse despite the fact we were
> in a lower division by the time he was a permanent signing. For such a tall
> man he never seemed that dominant in the air.
>
> Tim W.
>
>
>
>
> On Sunday, 15 October 2017, 14:11, Rob Heath <rhe...@hkis.edu.hk> wrote:
>
>
> Yeah but he was brilliant while he was on loan...that's my point
>
> On 15 Oct 2017 21:07, "Simon McNally" <simon_mcna...@sky.com> wrote:
>
> > O'Brien was dreadful
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On 15 Oct 2017, at 13:51, Rob Heath <rhe...@hkis.edu.hk> wrote:
> >
> > (O'Brien.that was the other one I was talking about.)
> >
> > On Sun, Oct 15, 2017 at 5:19 PM, Simon McNally <simon_mcna...@sky.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> I wouldn't say Jansson was crap but he looks out of sorts.
> >> I think a better partner would help
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >> On 15 Oct 2017, at 09:40, Rob Heath <rhe...@hkis.edu.hk> wrote:
> >>
> >> Jansson...a CB who was superb on loan...then signed a permanent
> >> deal and became crap..how many is that now?
> >>
> >> Bamba.Valiukis or something..that lad from
> >> Harrogate.??
> >> On 15 Oct 2017 16:33, "Simon McNally" <simon_mcna...@sky.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Fair point. I normally stay and clap them regardless of the result but
> I
> >>> was so annoyed with their limp performance yesterday I just walked off
> too.
> >>> There's definitely something up with Jansson though. He doesn't look
> the
> >>> same player as last year. Hopefully it's just because he's having to
> play
> >>> alongside Cooper instead of Bartley. We desperately need another centre
> >>> back.
> >>> To me the team looks short of leaders - too much whinging at the
> referee
> >>> and not enough getting stuck in and fighting.
> >>>
> >>> Simon
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
> >>> > On 15 Oct 2017, at 09:09, Richard Walker <richleed...@yahoo.co.uk>
> >>> wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> > Good summary Simon and agree with most of what you have written.
> >>> >
> >>> > In terms of Jansson being the first down the tunnel after a defeat
> but
> >>> the last off the pitch when we win I don't hold that against him. As a
> fan
> >>> yesterday I was straight out of the stand on the final whistle and the
> last
> >>> thing I want to see is Cooper and Philips dragging themselves around
> the
> >>> four stands clapping the fans and almost asking for an apology. Fuck
> off !
> >>> Get yourself back in that dressing room and have a word with yourself.
> >>> >
> >>> > Jansson went down the tunnel cos he was pissed off and I don't blame
> >>> him for that, afterall he'd just spent the afternoon playing alongside
> >>> carcrash Cooper.
> >>> >
> >>> > On Saturday, 14 October 2017, 22:37:44 BST, Simon McNally <
> >>> simon_mcna...@sky.com> wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > Very disappointed today. We didn't turn up first half at all and gave
> >>> away a bad goal.
> >>> > I agree with Noel Whelan on radio Leeds - we might feel hard done by
> >>> to not get a foul in the build up to their goal but the ball had to
> travel
> >>> a long way to end up in the net. Too many of them switched off, Ayling,
> >>&

Re: [LU] Reading

[Tim Whelan]

We can add Ľubomír Michalík to the list of Central Defenders who were good on 
loan (in the Championship at the end of 2006/7) but rubbish once signed 
permanently (in League One up 2010, though mostly on the bench in his latter 
days). Possibly the only one to look worse despite the fact we were in a lower 
division by the time he was a permanent signing. For such a tall man he never 
seemed that dominant in the air.
Tim W.




On Sunday, 15 October 2017, 14:11, Rob Heath  wrote:
 

 Yeah but he was brilliant while he was on loan...that's my point
On 15 Oct 2017 21:07, "Simon McNally"  wrote:

> O'Brien was dreadful
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 15 Oct 2017, at 13:51, Rob Heath  wrote:
>
> (O'Brien.that was the other one I was talking about.)
>
> On Sun, Oct 15, 2017 at 5:19 PM, Simon McNally 
> wrote:
>
>> I wouldn't say Jansson was crap but he looks out of sorts.
>> I think a better partner would help
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On 15 Oct 2017, at 09:40, Rob Heath  wrote:
>>
>> Jansson...a CB who was superb on loan...then signed a permanent
>> deal and became crap..how many is that now?
>>
>> Bamba.Valiukis or something..that lad from
>> Harrogate.??
>> On 15 Oct 2017 16:33, "Simon McNally"  wrote:
>>
>>> Fair point. I normally stay and clap them regardless of the result but I
>>> was so annoyed with their limp performance yesterday I just walked off too.
>>> There's definitely something up with Jansson though. He doesn't look the
>>> same player as last year. Hopefully it's just because he's having to play
>>> alongside Cooper instead of Bartley. We desperately need another centre
>>> back.
>>> To me the team looks short of leaders - too much whinging at the referee
>>> and not enough getting stuck in and fighting.
>>>
>>> Simon
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> > On 15 Oct 2017, at 09:09, Richard Walker 
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Good summary Simon and agree with most of what you have written.
>>> >
>>> > In terms of Jansson being the first down the tunnel after a defeat but
>>> the last off the pitch when we win I don't hold that against him. As a fan
>>> yesterday I was straight out of the stand on the final whistle and the last
>>> thing I want to see is Cooper and Philips dragging themselves around the
>>> four stands clapping the fans and almost asking for an apology. Fuck off !
>>> Get yourself back in that dressing room and have a word with yourself.
>>> >
>>> > Jansson went down the tunnel cos he was pissed off and I don't blame
>>> him for that, afterall he'd just spent the afternoon playing alongside
>>> carcrash Cooper.
>>> >
>>> > On Saturday, 14 October 2017, 22:37:44 BST, Simon McNally <
>>> simon_mcna...@sky.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Very disappointed today. We didn't turn up first half at all and gave
>>> away a bad goal.
>>> > I agree with Noel Whelan on radio Leeds - we might feel hard done by
>>> to not get a foul in the build up to their goal but the ball had to travel
>>> a long way to end up in the net. Too many of them switched off, Ayling,
>>> who has been excellent this season, switched off and Barrow ran in behind
>>> him... I knew he'd score as soon as he came on - another twat that was shit
>>> for us comes back and scores.
>>> > I'm worried that we've got a squad with no real leaders - I hate to
>>> see us arguing the toss with the officials when the ball is in play. I
>>> think Hernandez is good, especially at this level, but he's not strong
>>> enough and falls over appealing for a free kick whenever he's challenged.
>>> He needs to grow a pair.
>>> > As Rich has said, Lassogga gets muscled off the ball too easily for
>>> such a big bloke and Grot looks useless.
>>> > A couple of other things that Radio Leeds picked up on that I noticed
>>> too. Jansson (and Hernandez) were quick to get down the tunnel. Jansson is
>>> always fist pumping the crowd when they've won but couldn't wait to get
>>> down the tunnel today. I don't like that and maybe that's why he hasn't
>>> made it big anywhere else - brilliant when things are going well, fucks off
>>> when they're not..
>>> > Also, no players came to speak to the press after the game - they're
>>> happy to do it after a win but again I think that's poor.
>>> > There's talk that there'll be money to spend in January so I've been
>>> thinking which positions need strengthening.
>>> > Assuming he sticks with 4231 (I'd rather we played 442 at home).
>>> >
>>> > GK : a definite yes! Wiedwald looked ok when he didn't have to make
>>> any saves but has looked shite since. Lonergan played well today but can't
>>> be the long term solution.
>>> >
>>> > RB : happy with Ayling
>>> >
>>> > LB : a definite yes. Not replaced Taylor. I like Berardi but he's not
>>> a left back.
>>> >
>>> > RCB : Jansson ok but I've not been 

Re: [LU] Reading

[{broken-address} Richard Walker]

they're all very good at going on to Twitter to say they've been shit and we 
will 'go again together' next week but I want to see actions not words.

  From: Jim Moran <j...@jimmoran.co.uk>
 To: Richard Naef <rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk>; "leedslist@gn.apc.org" 
<leedslist@gn.apc.org> 
 Sent: Monday, 16 October 2017, 21:18
 Subject: Re: [LU] Reading
   
Pontus just admitted on Instagram (his words) that he's been shit. Fair
play. Key thing now is a response.

On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 at 15:24, Richard Naef <rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk>
wrote:

> Well, just like we flattered to deceive in the first few games of the
> season, we aren't as bad as the last few games would indicate.  TC is
> trying to change the way we play and it's not all going to be plain
> sailing, I think we have to give him the benefit of the doubt that he has a
> plan, Vieira has been injured a fair bit and Klich does need some game
> time, he came with a very big reputation.  Ekuban will hopefully be fit
> soon and we can see if he can make it in this League.  There aren't a stand
> out teams in the league (exc wolves?) so, I think playoffs is still a
> reasonable possibility.    Plus we should have a bucket load of dosh to
> spend in January.
>
> Green went because he wanted to go.
>
> ttfn
>
> Richard
>
> -Original Message-
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> Thorpe
> Sent: 16 October 2017 14:40
> To: '{broken-address} Richard Walker' <
> richleed...@yahoo.co.uk.is-broken.gn.apc.org>; leedslist@gn.apc.org
> Subject: Re: [LU] Reading
>
> I pretty much agree with this. I said after the Ipswich game that we were
> over powered in midfield that day and at Millwall, Cardiff plus the Wendies
> afterwards. Without doubt Philips is at the root of the midfield malaise
> where his goals have flattered to deceive the fact that he is not capable
> of stamping any authority on a game. Midfield is disconnected from defence
> as well as Saiz in attack. I'm starting to lay the blame firmly at TC's
> door. It's not the players passion but his selection. Philips has to go and
> make way for Viera. I feel O'Kane may kick on with him alongside but if not
> I'd consider Dallas in there. At least he knows what's needed to win, a bit
> risky perhaps but I do like Saiz, Hernadez and Alioski  playing behind the
> "Deutscher", we just need some combative midfield behind them to make it
> work.
> In defence Jansson is off colour but anyone would playing alongside Cooper
> who still is an accident waiting to happen. Beradi / Anita and Ayling all
> OK even though Ayling got caught out for the Reading goal more often than
> not he's saved us. It nearly works just needs TC to realise what's needed
> before the calls for his head begin. Oh yeah Lonergan should have cemented
> his place and I said before why did we get rid of Rob Green??
>
> Jezz (from the NE Upper)
>
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Re: [LU] Reading

[Jim Moran]

Pontus just admitted on Instagram (his words) that he's been shit. Fair
play. Key thing now is a response.

On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 at 15:24, Richard Naef <rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk>
wrote:

> Well, just like we flattered to deceive in the first few games of the
> season, we aren't as bad as the last few games would indicate.  TC is
> trying to change the way we play and it's not all going to be plain
> sailing, I think we have to give him the benefit of the doubt that he has a
> plan, Vieira has been injured a fair bit and Klich does need some game
> time, he came with a very big reputation.   Ekuban will hopefully be fit
> soon and we can see if he can make it in this League.  There aren't a stand
> out teams in the league (exc wolves?) so, I think playoffs is still a
> reasonable possibility. Plus we should have a bucket load of dosh to
> spend in January.
>
> Green went because he wanted to go.
>
> ttfn
>
> Richard
>
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> Thorpe
> Sent: 16 October 2017 14:40
> To: '{broken-address} Richard Walker' <
> richleed...@yahoo.co.uk.is-broken.gn.apc.org>; leedslist@gn.apc.org
> Subject: Re: [LU] Reading
>
> I pretty much agree with this. I said after the Ipswich game that we were
> over powered in midfield that day and at Millwall, Cardiff plus the Wendies
> afterwards. Without doubt Philips is at the root of the midfield malaise
> where his goals have flattered to deceive the fact that he is not capable
> of stamping any authority on a game. Midfield is disconnected from defence
> as well as Saiz in attack. I'm starting to lay the blame firmly at TC's
> door. It's not the players passion but his selection. Philips has to go and
> make way for Viera. I feel O'Kane may kick on with him alongside but if not
> I'd consider Dallas in there. At least he knows what's needed to win, a bit
> risky perhaps but I do like Saiz, Hernadez and Alioski  playing behind the
> "Deutscher", we just need some combative midfield behind them to make it
> work.
> In defence Jansson is off colour but anyone would playing alongside Cooper
> who still is an accident waiting to happen. Beradi / Anita and Ayling all
> OK even though Ayling got caught out for the Reading goal more often than
> not he's saved us. It nearly works just needs TC to realise what's needed
> before the calls for his head begin. Oh yeah Lonergan should have cemented
> his place and I said before why did we get rid of Rob Green??
>
> Jezz (from the NE Upper)
>
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Re: [LU] Reading

[Richard Naef]

Well, just like we flattered to deceive in the first few games of the season, 
we aren't as bad as the last few games would indicate.  TC is trying to change 
the way we play and it's not all going to be plain sailing, I think we have to 
give him the benefit of the doubt that he has a plan, Vieira has been injured a 
fair bit and Klich does need some game time, he came with a very big 
reputation.   Ekuban will hopefully be fit soon and we can see if he can make 
it in this League.  There aren't a stand out teams in the league (exc wolves?) 
so, I think playoffs is still a reasonable possibility. Plus we should have 
a bucket load of dosh to spend in January.

Green went because he wanted to go.

ttfn

Richard

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To: '{broken-address} Richard Walker' 
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Subject: Re: [LU] Reading

I pretty much agree with this. I said after the Ipswich game that we were over 
powered in midfield that day and at Millwall, Cardiff plus the Wendies 
afterwards. Without doubt Philips is at the root of the midfield malaise where 
his goals have flattered to deceive the fact that he is not capable of stamping 
any authority on a game. Midfield is disconnected from defence as well as Saiz 
in attack. I'm starting to lay the blame firmly at TC's door. It's not the 
players passion but his selection. Philips has to go and make way for Viera. I 
feel O'Kane may kick on with him alongside but if not I'd consider Dallas in 
there. At least he knows what's needed to win, a bit risky perhaps but I do 
like Saiz, Hernadez and Alioski  playing behind the "Deutscher", we just need 
some combative midfield behind them to make it work. 
In defence Jansson is off colour but anyone would playing alongside Cooper who 
still is an accident waiting to happen. Beradi / Anita and Ayling all OK even 
though Ayling got caught out for the Reading goal more often than not he's 
saved us. It nearly works just needs TC to realise what's needed before the 
calls for his head begin. Oh yeah Lonergan should have cemented his place and I 
said before why did we get rid of Rob Green??

Jezz (from the NE Upper)


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Re: [LU] Reading

[Jeremy Thorpe]

I pretty much agree with this. I said after the Ipswich game that we were over 
powered in midfield that day and at Millwall, Cardiff plus the Wendies 
afterwards. Without doubt Philips is at the root of the midfield malaise where 
his goals have flattered to deceive the fact that he is not capable of stamping 
any authority on a game. Midfield is disconnected from defence as well as Saiz 
in attack. I'm starting to lay the blame firmly at TC's door. It's not the 
players passion but his selection. Philips has to go and make way for Viera. I 
feel O'Kane may kick on with him alongside but if not I'd consider Dallas in 
there. At least he knows what's needed to win, a bit risky perhaps but I do 
like Saiz, Hernadez and Alioski  playing behind the "Deutscher", we just need 
some combative midfield behind them to make it work. 
In defence Jansson is off colour but anyone would playing alongside Cooper who 
still is an accident waiting to happen. Beradi / Anita and Ayling all OK even 
though Ayling got caught out for the Reading goal more often than not he's 
saved us. It nearly works just needs TC to realise what's needed before the 
calls for his head begin. Oh yeah Lonergan should have cemented his place and I 
said before why did we get rid of Rob Green??

Jezz (from the NE Upper)

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{broken-address} Richard Walker
Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2017 19:38
To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: [LU] Reading

This was a horror show especially the first 45 minutes where we just didn't 
look like a team. TC dropped his keeper which was a good decision but he now 
has to seriously have a look at his style of play and look to whether he should 
develop a Plan B.
It is painful to see us pass square balls across the back until we were put 
under pressure and had to go back to Lonerghan. You could see the players 
thinking we've been told to do this but it isn't working. We continually put 
herself under pressure because to play this system you need at least one 
midfielder who can sit deep, offer himself and make things happen. Both O'Kane 
and Philips didn't seem to want to do this. It took TC 45 minutes to see that 
this wasn't working and he changed it second half by moving O'Kane deep to sit 
between them and start the moves. It was better but I still don't think we're a 
team that is capable of playing this type of football in the championship. And 
whilst we've been praising TC and slagging Garry Monk (me included) maybe we 
should now begin to question whether Monk's limited tactics and straight 
forward approach with a hungry team might be a better way forward to this 
continental game that TC is trying to adopt with players who find it hard to pa
 ss a ball at times. The reason TC doesn't want to see us punt it long is that 
we don't have anyone capable of winning the ball. Lasogga is a big unit but he 
is shite at 50:50 balls in the air, in fact today he rarely got off the ground 
and when Grot came on he us a masterclass of how a 7ft bloke can look 
ineffective in the air. I think the main weaknesses today other than the system 
was our two central midfielders - O'Kane and Philips. It seemed at the start of 
the season the TC had spotted something we hadn't and had moulded Philips into 
a new , young superstar. I think we can reflect and see that Philips got a 4 
year contract based on a few goals and half decent games against the poorer 
teams in the league. In fact, our results have come against the weaker teams in 
the leagues and if you take an objective look at the table and who we have 
played you'd have to say a mid table finish with this team is about right.
However, I do think there is potential in this team, I do think we have some 
better players and I think if TC can steady the ship and maybe pick players 
more suited to his style we have a chance of improving on last year but I think 
the next few games are the true test of TC and his team. I remember Wagner 
adopted this style and was crucified by some Town fans after variable results 
but he stuck to his task , got some players in who can handle it and he ended 
up in the PL.
As for the game today, I thought it was a game between two low in confidence , 
poor teams. I thought Reading has a couple of top players. Their big striker 
had a nice touch on him and one left Cooper for dead in the first half - you 
rarely see a central defender left for dead like he did to Cooper. There 
weren't many chances (I don't think we had any) and Lonergan made a decent save 
for their only chance. The worrying thing for me though is that we played 45 
mins looking like a team who weren't that bothered. We struggled to put 2 
passes together and in midfield we didn't compete. Hernandez was again 
relegated to the left wing and Saiz was playing high up the park and as a 
result hardly had a kick as we struggled to take control of the game. Second 
half, with O

Re: [LU] Reading

[{broken-address} Nicholas Armit]

 Or get him back on loan in January?
On Sunday, October 15, 2017, 11:38:21 AM EDT, Simon McNally 
 wrote:  
 
 Absolutely. He would fit the "complete midfielder " bill!

Sent from my iPhone

> On 15 Oct 2017, at 16:23, Nicholas Armit  wrote:
> 
> Wish we had kept Cook
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 15, 2017, at 4:33 AM, Simon McNally  wrote:
>> 
>> Fair point. I normally stay and clap them regardless of the result but I was 
>> so annoyed with their limp performance yesterday I just walked off too.
>> There's definitely something up with Jansson though. He doesn't look the 
>> same player as last year. Hopefully it's just because he's having to play 
>> alongside Cooper instead of Bartley. We desperately need another centre back.
>> To me the team looks short of leaders - too much whinging at the referee and 
>> not enough getting stuck in and fighting.
>> 
>> Simon 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 15 Oct 2017, at 09:09, Richard Walker  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Good summary Simon and agree with most of what you have written.
>>> 
>>> In terms of Jansson being the first down the tunnel after a defeat but the 
>>> last off the pitch when we win I don't hold that against him. As a fan 
>>> yesterday I was straight out of the stand on the final whistle and the last 
>>> thing I want to see is Cooper and Philips dragging themselves around the 
>>> four stands clapping the fans and almost asking for an apology. Fuck off ! 
>>> Get yourself back in that dressing room and have a word with yourself. 
>>> 
>>> Jansson went down the tunnel cos he was pissed off and I don't blame him 
>>> for that, afterall he'd just spent the afternoon playing alongside carcrash 
>>> Cooper. 
>>> 
>>> On Saturday, 14 October 2017, 22:37:44 BST, Simon McNally 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Very disappointed today. We didn't turn up first half at all and gave away 
>>> a bad goal.
>>> I agree with Noel Whelan on radio Leeds - we might feel hard done by to not 
>>> get a foul in the build up to their goal but the ball had to travel a long 
>>> way to end up in the net. Too many of them switched off, Ayling,  who has 
>>> been excellent this season, switched off and Barrow ran in behind him. I 
>>> knew he'd score as soon as he came on - another twat that was shit for us 
>>> comes back and scores. 
>>> I'm worried that we've got a squad with no real leaders - I hate to see us 
>>> arguing the toss with the officials when the ball is in play. I think 
>>> Hernandez is good, especially at this level, but he's not strong enough and 
>>> falls over appealing for a free kick whenever he's challenged. He needs to 
>>> grow a pair.
>>> As Rich has said, Lassogga gets muscled off the ball too easily for such a 
>>> big bloke and Grot looks useless.
>>> A couple of other things that Radio Leeds picked up on that I noticed too.. 
>>> Jansson (and Hernandez) were quick to get down the tunnel. Jansson is 
>>> always fist pumping the crowd when they've won but couldn't wait to get 
>>> down the tunnel today. I don't like that and maybe that's why he hasn't 
>>> made it big anywhere else - brilliant when things are going well, fucks off 
>>> when they're not..
>>> Also, no players came to speak to the press after the game - they're happy 
>>> to do it after a win but again I think that's poor.
>>> There's talk that there'll be money to spend in January so I've been 
>>> thinking which positions need strengthening.
>>> Assuming he sticks with 4231 (I'd rather we played 442 at home).
>>> 
>>> GK : a definite yes! Wiedwald looked ok when he didn't have to make any 
>>> saves but has looked shite since. Lonergan played well today but can't be 
>>> the long term solution.
>>> 
>>> RB : happy with Ayling
>>> 
>>> LB : a definite yes. Not replaced Taylor. I like Berardi but he's not a 
>>> left back.
>>> 
>>> RCB : Jansson ok but I've not been impressed this season, especially his 
>>> attitude.
>>> 
>>> LCB : definite yes. I saw Cooper has blocked someone on twitter for calling 
>>> him league one Liam but he's spot on. A few good games doesn't make up for 
>>> his obvious failings, Cardiff in particular would have me looking to get 
>>> rid. Agree totally with Rich's point - he won the ball but tried to bring 
>>> the ball out instead of putting his foot through it and they nearly scored. 
>>> He's not a player in a promotion team for me.
>>> 
>>> RDM : I'm reasonably happy with O'Kane - he's good on the ball and brings 
>>> it forward. Needs someone with more physicality along side him.
>>> 
>>> LDM : I like Philipps, I like that he's local and came through the ranks 
>>> and looks like he cares but hand on heart, is he a first team player for a 
>>> promotion team? I'd have to say no. Maybe one day but not today. This 
>>> position is crucial - linking O'Kane to the players further forward, 
>>> winning tackles, scoring goals, almost the 

Re: [LU] Reading

[Simon McNally]

Absolutely. He would fit the "complete midfielder " bill!

Sent from my iPhone

> On 15 Oct 2017, at 16:23, Nicholas Armit  wrote:
> 
> Wish we had kept Cook
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 15, 2017, at 4:33 AM, Simon McNally  wrote:
>> 
>> Fair point. I normally stay and clap them regardless of the result but I was 
>> so annoyed with their limp performance yesterday I just walked off too.
>> There's definitely something up with Jansson though. He doesn't look the 
>> same player as last year. Hopefully it's just because he's having to play 
>> alongside Cooper instead of Bartley. We desperately need another centre back.
>> To me the team looks short of leaders - too much whinging at the referee and 
>> not enough getting stuck in and fighting.
>> 
>> Simon 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 15 Oct 2017, at 09:09, Richard Walker  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Good summary Simon and agree with most of what you have written.
>>> 
>>> In terms of Jansson being the first down the tunnel after a defeat but the 
>>> last off the pitch when we win I don't hold that against him. As a fan 
>>> yesterday I was straight out of the stand on the final whistle and the last 
>>> thing I want to see is Cooper and Philips dragging themselves around the 
>>> four stands clapping the fans and almost asking for an apology. Fuck off ! 
>>> Get yourself back in that dressing room and have a word with yourself. 
>>> 
>>> Jansson went down the tunnel cos he was pissed off and I don't blame him 
>>> for that, afterall he'd just spent the afternoon playing alongside carcrash 
>>> Cooper. 
>>> 
>>> On Saturday, 14 October 2017, 22:37:44 BST, Simon McNally 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Very disappointed today. We didn't turn up first half at all and gave away 
>>> a bad goal.
>>> I agree with Noel Whelan on radio Leeds - we might feel hard done by to not 
>>> get a foul in the build up to their goal but the ball had to travel a long 
>>> way to end up in the net. Too many of them switched off, Ayling,  who has 
>>> been excellent this season, switched off and Barrow ran in behind him. I 
>>> knew he'd score as soon as he came on - another twat that was shit for us 
>>> comes back and scores. 
>>> I'm worried that we've got a squad with no real leaders - I hate to see us 
>>> arguing the toss with the officials when the ball is in play. I think 
>>> Hernandez is good, especially at this level, but he's not strong enough and 
>>> falls over appealing for a free kick whenever he's challenged. He needs to 
>>> grow a pair.
>>> As Rich has said, Lassogga gets muscled off the ball too easily for such a 
>>> big bloke and Grot looks useless.
>>> A couple of other things that Radio Leeds picked up on that I noticed too.. 
>>> Jansson (and Hernandez) were quick to get down the tunnel. Jansson is 
>>> always fist pumping the crowd when they've won but couldn't wait to get 
>>> down the tunnel today. I don't like that and maybe that's why he hasn't 
>>> made it big anywhere else - brilliant when things are going well, fucks off 
>>> when they're not..
>>> Also, no players came to speak to the press after the game - they're happy 
>>> to do it after a win but again I think that's poor.
>>> There's talk that there'll be money to spend in January so I've been 
>>> thinking which positions need strengthening.
>>> Assuming he sticks with 4231 (I'd rather we played 442 at home).
>>> 
>>> GK : a definite yes! Wiedwald looked ok when he didn't have to make any 
>>> saves but has looked shite since. Lonergan played well today but can't be 
>>> the long term solution.
>>> 
>>> RB : happy with Ayling
>>> 
>>> LB : a definite yes. Not replaced Taylor. I like Berardi but he's not a 
>>> left back.
>>> 
>>> RCB : Jansson ok but I've not been impressed this season, especially his 
>>> attitude.
>>> 
>>> LCB : definite yes. I saw Cooper has blocked someone on twitter for calling 
>>> him league one Liam but he's spot on. A few good games doesn't make up for 
>>> his obvious failings, Cardiff in particular would have me looking to get 
>>> rid. Agree totally with Rich's point - he won the ball but tried to bring 
>>> the ball out instead of putting his foot through it and they nearly scored. 
>>> He's not a player in a promotion team for me.
>>> 
>>> RDM : I'm reasonably happy with O'Kane - he's good on the ball and brings 
>>> it forward. Needs someone with more physicality along side him.
>>> 
>>> LDM : I like Philipps, I like that he's local and came through the ranks 
>>> and looks like he cares but hand on heart, is he a first team player for a 
>>> promotion team? I'd have to say no. Maybe one day but not today. This 
>>> position is crucial - linking O'Kane to the players further forward, 
>>> winning tackles, scoring goals, almost the complete midfielder. I'd like us 
>>> to throw whatever money we've got at an experienced player to do that - 
>>> trouble is, I can't 

Re: [LU] Reading

[{broken-address} Nicholas Armit]

Good points Rich. I am concerned a team will come in for Viera in January.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 15, 2017, at 4:03 AM, {broken-address} Richard Walker 
>  wrote:
> 
> I did say that O'Kane did try and get things going second half and he was the 
> one chosen by TC to sit deep alongside the centre backs in an attempt to make 
> the system work. So yes credit to him because he was actually the one also 
> breaking through to try a few shots. What does that say though about his 
> partner Phillips ? TC obviously didn't see him doing that job from the back 
> so I'm not sure what Phillips is doing in that system ?
> I think the first step is to give Vierra a run in Philips's position and as 
> you say this may complement O'Kane better. I do worry though that Vierra has 
> been left out for so long it may take a match or two to get into his stride 
> and at this moment in time we don't have that luxury. A few defeats really do 
> put everyone under pressure and we are looking to a leader and I'm not sure 
> we've got one on that pitch. 
> O'Kane though is never going to be better than an average midfielder in this 
> league. That can get you promoted if players around him are helping him and 
> pushing him to play above his level but I would suggest he's not a midfielder 
> that's going to take us up. Compare to Aaron Mooy.
> I think there's an argument to try Vierra and Klitch or Vierra and Anita in 
> that midfield pairing. I think Anita could bring some simplicity and control 
> to the midfield. Ok he may get ovverrun but with Vierra doing most of the leg 
> work that pairing could work. I haven't written Klitch off yet, I think he 
> was unfortunate with his mistake at Cardiff which appears to be the start of 
> the rot but I think he's a good passer and he knows how to play but I think 
> he needs to sharpen up and he'll only do that playing games. 
> Tough times and decisions for TC.
> 
>On Sunday, 15 October 2017, 01:11:31 BST, {broken-address} Nicholas Armit 
>  wrote:  
> 
> Quick thoughts:
> 
> Disagree a bit with Rich. I thought O’Kane was the only one who tried the 
> whole game and who tried to string defense to attack. I like him. Just needs 
> a strong partner so he can push forward a bit. That would be Viera.
> 
> Phillips: slow, thick and uninspiring. Third or fourth division player.
> 
> Hernandez: stuck out on the wing all the time. He is not a winger. No pace 
> but bright and skillful. But we have one of those on Saiz so a conundrum. 
> What to do?
> 
> Roofe; scored a bunch as a forward do why do we play him as a winger/ outside 
> mid? 
> 
> Nick
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
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Re: [LU] Reading

[{broken-address} Nicholas Armit]

Wish we had kept Cook

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 15, 2017, at 4:33 AM, Simon McNally  wrote:
> 
> Fair point. I normally stay and clap them regardless of the result but I was 
> so annoyed with their limp performance yesterday I just walked off too.
> There's definitely something up with Jansson though. He doesn't look the same 
> player as last year. Hopefully it's just because he's having to play 
> alongside Cooper instead of Bartley. We desperately need another centre back.
> To me the team looks short of leaders - too much whinging at the referee and 
> not enough getting stuck in and fighting.
> 
> Simon 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 15 Oct 2017, at 09:09, Richard Walker  wrote:
>> 
>> Good summary Simon and agree with most of what you have written.
>> 
>> In terms of Jansson being the first down the tunnel after a defeat but the 
>> last off the pitch when we win I don't hold that against him. As a fan 
>> yesterday I was straight out of the stand on the final whistle and the last 
>> thing I want to see is Cooper and Philips dragging themselves around the 
>> four stands clapping the fans and almost asking for an apology. Fuck off ! 
>> Get yourself back in that dressing room and have a word with yourself. 
>> 
>> Jansson went down the tunnel cos he was pissed off and I don't blame him for 
>> that, afterall he'd just spent the afternoon playing alongside carcrash 
>> Cooper. 
>> 
>> On Saturday, 14 October 2017, 22:37:44 BST, Simon McNally 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Very disappointed today. We didn't turn up first half at all and gave away a 
>> bad goal.
>> I agree with Noel Whelan on radio Leeds - we might feel hard done by to not 
>> get a foul in the build up to their goal but the ball had to travel a long 
>> way to end up in the net. Too many of them switched off, Ayling,  who has 
>> been excellent this season, switched off and Barrow ran in behind him. I 
>> knew he'd score as soon as he came on - another twat that was shit for us 
>> comes back and scores. 
>> I'm worried that we've got a squad with no real leaders - I hate to see us 
>> arguing the toss with the officials when the ball is in play. I think 
>> Hernandez is good, especially at this level, but he's not strong enough and 
>> falls over appealing for a free kick whenever he's challenged. He needs to 
>> grow a pair.
>> As Rich has said, Lassogga gets muscled off the ball too easily for such a 
>> big bloke and Grot looks useless.
>> A couple of other things that Radio Leeds picked up on that I noticed too.. 
>> Jansson (and Hernandez) were quick to get down the tunnel. Jansson is always 
>> fist pumping the crowd when they've won but couldn't wait to get down the 
>> tunnel today. I don't like that and maybe that's why he hasn't made it big 
>> anywhere else - brilliant when things are going well, fucks off when they're 
>> not..
>> Also, no players came to speak to the press after the game - they're happy 
>> to do it after a win but again I think that's poor.
>> There's talk that there'll be money to spend in January so I've been 
>> thinking which positions need strengthening.
>> Assuming he sticks with 4231 (I'd rather we played 442 at home).
>> 
>> GK : a definite yes! Wiedwald looked ok when he didn't have to make any 
>> saves but has looked shite since. Lonergan played well today but can't be 
>> the long term solution.
>> 
>> RB : happy with Ayling
>> 
>> LB : a definite yes. Not replaced Taylor. I like Berardi but he's not a left 
>> back.
>> 
>> RCB : Jansson ok but I've not been impressed this season, especially his 
>> attitude.
>> 
>> LCB : definite yes. I saw Cooper has blocked someone on twitter for calling 
>> him league one Liam but he's spot on. A few good games doesn't make up for 
>> his obvious failings, Cardiff in particular would have me looking to get 
>> rid. Agree totally with Rich's point - he won the ball but tried to bring 
>> the ball out instead of putting his foot through it and they nearly scored. 
>> He's not a player in a promotion team for me.
>> 
>> RDM : I'm reasonably happy with O'Kane - he's good on the ball and brings it 
>> forward. Needs someone with more physicality along side him.
>> 
>> LDM : I like Philipps, I like that he's local and came through the ranks and 
>> looks like he cares but hand on heart, is he a first team player for a 
>> promotion team? I'd have to say no. Maybe one day but not today. This 
>> position is crucial - linking O'Kane to the players further forward, winning 
>> tackles, scoring goals, almost the complete midfielder. I'd like us to throw 
>> whatever money we've got at an experienced player to do that - trouble is, I 
>> can't think of too many. Any thoughts?
>> 
>> CAM : Saiz is class, needs to see more of the ball in advanced positions.
>> 
>> RW : I was happy with Alioski but starting to think the "Macedonian Messi" 
>> tag might be slightly optimistic! Despite what radio 

Re: [LU] Reading

[Rob Heath]

Yeah but he was brilliant while he was on loan...that's my point
On 15 Oct 2017 21:07, "Simon McNally"  wrote:

> O'Brien was dreadful
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 15 Oct 2017, at 13:51, Rob Heath  wrote:
>
> (O'Brien.that was the other one I was talking about.)
>
> On Sun, Oct 15, 2017 at 5:19 PM, Simon McNally 
> wrote:
>
>> I wouldn't say Jansson was crap but he looks out of sorts.
>> I think a better partner would help
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On 15 Oct 2017, at 09:40, Rob Heath  wrote:
>>
>> Jansson...a CB who was superb on loan...then signed a permanent
>> deal and became crap..how many is that now?
>>
>> Bamba.Valiukis or something..that lad from
>> Harrogate.??
>> On 15 Oct 2017 16:33, "Simon McNally"  wrote:
>>
>>> Fair point. I normally stay and clap them regardless of the result but I
>>> was so annoyed with their limp performance yesterday I just walked off too.
>>> There's definitely something up with Jansson though. He doesn't look the
>>> same player as last year. Hopefully it's just because he's having to play
>>> alongside Cooper instead of Bartley. We desperately need another centre
>>> back.
>>> To me the team looks short of leaders - too much whinging at the referee
>>> and not enough getting stuck in and fighting.
>>>
>>> Simon
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> > On 15 Oct 2017, at 09:09, Richard Walker 
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Good summary Simon and agree with most of what you have written.
>>> >
>>> > In terms of Jansson being the first down the tunnel after a defeat but
>>> the last off the pitch when we win I don't hold that against him. As a fan
>>> yesterday I was straight out of the stand on the final whistle and the last
>>> thing I want to see is Cooper and Philips dragging themselves around the
>>> four stands clapping the fans and almost asking for an apology. Fuck off !
>>> Get yourself back in that dressing room and have a word with yourself.
>>> >
>>> > Jansson went down the tunnel cos he was pissed off and I don't blame
>>> him for that, afterall he'd just spent the afternoon playing alongside
>>> carcrash Cooper.
>>> >
>>> > On Saturday, 14 October 2017, 22:37:44 BST, Simon McNally <
>>> simon_mcna...@sky.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Very disappointed today. We didn't turn up first half at all and gave
>>> away a bad goal.
>>> > I agree with Noel Whelan on radio Leeds - we might feel hard done by
>>> to not get a foul in the build up to their goal but the ball had to travel
>>> a long way to end up in the net. Too many of them switched off, Ayling,
>>> who has been excellent this season, switched off and Barrow ran in behind
>>> him... I knew he'd score as soon as he came on - another twat that was shit
>>> for us comes back and scores.
>>> > I'm worried that we've got a squad with no real leaders - I hate to
>>> see us arguing the toss with the officials when the ball is in play. I
>>> think Hernandez is good, especially at this level, but he's not strong
>>> enough and falls over appealing for a free kick whenever he's challenged.
>>> He needs to grow a pair.
>>> > As Rich has said, Lassogga gets muscled off the ball too easily for
>>> such a big bloke and Grot looks useless.
>>> > A couple of other things that Radio Leeds picked up on that I noticed
>>> too. Jansson (and Hernandez) were quick to get down the tunnel. Jansson is
>>> always fist pumping the crowd when they've won but couldn't wait to get
>>> down the tunnel today. I don't like that and maybe that's why he hasn't
>>> made it big anywhere else - brilliant when things are going well, fucks off
>>> when they're not..
>>> > Also, no players came to speak to the press after the game - they're
>>> happy to do it after a win but again I think that's poor.
>>> > There's talk that there'll be money to spend in January so I've been
>>> thinking which positions need strengthening.
>>> > Assuming he sticks with 4231 (I'd rather we played 442 at home).
>>> >
>>> > GK : a definite yes! Wiedwald looked ok when he didn't have to make
>>> any saves but has looked shite since. Lonergan played well today but can't
>>> be the long term solution.
>>> >
>>> > RB : happy with Ayling
>>> >
>>> > LB : a definite yes. Not replaced Taylor. I like Berardi but he's not
>>> a left back.
>>> >
>>> > RCB : Jansson ok but I've not been impressed this season, especially
>>> his attitude.
>>> >
>>> > LCB : definite yes. I saw Cooper has blocked someone on twitter for
>>> calling him league one Liam but he's spot on. A few good games doesn't make
>>> up for his obvious failings, Cardiff in particular would have me looking to
>>> get rid. Agree totally with Rich's point - he won the ball but tried to
>>> bring the ball out instead of putting his foot through it and they nearly
>>> scored. He's not a player in a promotion team for me.
>>> >
>>> > RDM 

Re: [LU] Reading

[Simon McNally]

O'Brien was dreadful 

Sent from my iPhone

> On 15 Oct 2017, at 13:51, Rob Heath  wrote:
> 
> (O'Brien.that was the other one I was talking about.)
> 
>> On Sun, Oct 15, 2017 at 5:19 PM, Simon McNally  wrote:
>> I wouldn't say Jansson was crap but he looks out of sorts. 
>> I think a better partner would help
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 15 Oct 2017, at 09:40, Rob Heath  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Jansson...a CB who was superb on loan...then signed a permanent 
>>> deal and became crap..how many is that now?
>>> 
>>> Bamba.Valiukis or something..that lad from Harrogate??
>>> 
 On 15 Oct 2017 16:33, "Simon McNally"  wrote:
 Fair point. I normally stay and clap them regardless of the result but I 
 was so annoyed with their limp performance yesterday I just walked off too.
 There's definitely something up with Jansson though. He doesn't look the 
 same player as last year. Hopefully it's just because he's having to play 
 alongside Cooper instead of Bartley. We desperately need another centre 
 back.
 To me the team looks short of leaders - too much whinging at the referee 
 and not enough getting stuck in and fighting.
 
 Simon
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 > On 15 Oct 2017, at 09:09, Richard Walker  wrote:
 >
 > Good summary Simon and agree with most of what you have written.
 >
 > In terms of Jansson being the first down the tunnel after a defeat but 
 > the last off the pitch when we win I don't hold that against him. As a 
 > fan yesterday I was straight out of the stand on the final whistle and 
 > the last thing I want to see is Cooper and Philips dragging themselves 
 > around the four stands clapping the fans and almost asking for an 
 > apology. Fuck off ! Get yourself back in that dressing room and have a 
 > word with yourself.
 >
 > Jansson went down the tunnel cos he was pissed off and I don't blame him 
 > for that, afterall he'd just spent the afternoon playing alongside 
 > carcrash Cooper.
 >
 > On Saturday, 14 October 2017, 22:37:44 BST, Simon McNally 
 >  wrote:
 >
 >
 > Very disappointed today. We didn't turn up first half at all and gave 
 > away a bad goal.
 > I agree with Noel Whelan on radio Leeds - we might feel hard done by to 
 > not get a foul in the build up to their goal but the ball had to travel 
 > a long way to end up in the net. Too many of them switched off, Ayling,  
 > who has been excellent this season, switched off and Barrow ran in 
 > behind him.. I knew he'd score as soon as he came on - another twat that 
 > was shit for us comes back and scores.
 > I'm worried that we've got a squad with no real leaders - I hate to see 
 > us arguing the toss with the officials when the ball is in play. I think 
 > Hernandez is good, especially at this level, but he's not strong enough 
 > and falls over appealing for a free kick whenever he's challenged. He 
 > needs to grow a pair.
 > As Rich has said, Lassogga gets muscled off the ball too easily for such 
 > a big bloke and Grot looks useless.
 > A couple of other things that Radio Leeds picked up on that I noticed 
 > too. Jansson (and Hernandez) were quick to get down the tunnel. Jansson 
 > is always fist pumping the crowd when they've won but couldn't wait to 
 > get down the tunnel today. I don't like that and maybe that's why he 
 > hasn't made it big anywhere else - brilliant when things are going well, 
 > fucks off when they're not..
 > Also, no players came to speak to the press after the game - they're 
 > happy to do it after a win but again I think that's poor.
 > There's talk that there'll be money to spend in January so I've been 
 > thinking which positions need strengthening.
 > Assuming he sticks with 4231 (I'd rather we played 442 at home).
 >
 > GK : a definite yes! Wiedwald looked ok when he didn't have to make any 
 > saves but has looked shite since. Lonergan played well today but can't 
 > be the long term solution.
 >
 > RB : happy with Ayling
 >
 > LB : a definite yes. Not replaced Taylor. I like Berardi but he's not a 
 > left back.
 >
 > RCB : Jansson ok but I've not been impressed this season, especially his 
 > attitude.
 >
 > LCB : definite yes. I saw Cooper has blocked someone on twitter for 
 > calling him league one Liam but he's spot on. A few good games doesn't 
 > make up for his obvious failings, Cardiff in particular would have me 
 > looking to get rid. Agree totally with Rich's point - he won the ball 
 > but tried to bring the ball out instead of putting his foot through it 
 > and they nearly scored. 

Re: [LU] Reading

[Rob Heath]

(O'Brien.that was the other one I was talking about.)

On Sun, Oct 15, 2017 at 5:19 PM, Simon McNally 
wrote:

> I wouldn't say Jansson was crap but he looks out of sorts.
> I think a better partner would help
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 15 Oct 2017, at 09:40, Rob Heath  wrote:
>
> Jansson...a CB who was superb on loan...then signed a permanent
> deal and became crap..how many is that now?
>
> Bamba.Valiukis or something..that lad from Harrogate??
> On 15 Oct 2017 16:33, "Simon McNally"  wrote:
>
>> Fair point. I normally stay and clap them regardless of the result but I
>> was so annoyed with their limp performance yesterday I just walked off too.
>> There's definitely something up with Jansson though. He doesn't look the
>> same player as last year. Hopefully it's just because he's having to play
>> alongside Cooper instead of Bartley. We desperately need another centre
>> back.
>> To me the team looks short of leaders - too much whinging at the referee
>> and not enough getting stuck in and fighting.
>>
>> Simon
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> > On 15 Oct 2017, at 09:09, Richard Walker 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Good summary Simon and agree with most of what you have written.
>> >
>> > In terms of Jansson being the first down the tunnel after a defeat but
>> the last off the pitch when we win I don't hold that against him. As a fan
>> yesterday I was straight out of the stand on the final whistle and the last
>> thing I want to see is Cooper and Philips dragging themselves around the
>> four stands clapping the fans and almost asking for an apology. Fuck off !
>> Get yourself back in that dressing room and have a word with yourself.
>> >
>> > Jansson went down the tunnel cos he was pissed off and I don't blame
>> him for that, afterall he'd just spent the afternoon playing alongside
>> carcrash Cooper.
>> >
>> > On Saturday, 14 October 2017, 22:37:44 BST, Simon McNally <
>> simon_mcna...@sky.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > Very disappointed today. We didn't turn up first half at all and gave
>> away a bad goal.
>> > I agree with Noel Whelan on radio Leeds - we might feel hard done by to
>> not get a foul in the build up to their goal but the ball had to travel a
>> long way to end up in the net. Too many of them switched off, Ayling,  who
>> has been excellent this season, switched off and Barrow ran in behind him..
>> I knew he'd score as soon as he came on - another twat that was shit for us
>> comes back and scores.
>> > I'm worried that we've got a squad with no real leaders - I hate to see
>> us arguing the toss with the officials when the ball is in play. I think
>> Hernandez is good, especially at this level, but he's not strong enough and
>> falls over appealing for a free kick whenever he's challenged. He needs to
>> grow a pair.
>> > As Rich has said, Lassogga gets muscled off the ball too easily for
>> such a big bloke and Grot looks useless.
>> > A couple of other things that Radio Leeds picked up on that I noticed
>> too. Jansson (and Hernandez) were quick to get down the tunnel. Jansson is
>> always fist pumping the crowd when they've won but couldn't wait to get
>> down the tunnel today. I don't like that and maybe that's why he hasn't
>> made it big anywhere else - brilliant when things are going well, fucks off
>> when they're not..
>> > Also, no players came to speak to the press after the game - they're
>> happy to do it after a win but again I think that's poor.
>> > There's talk that there'll be money to spend in January so I've been
>> thinking which positions need strengthening.
>> > Assuming he sticks with 4231 (I'd rather we played 442 at home).
>> >
>> > GK : a definite yes! Wiedwald looked ok when he didn't have to make any
>> saves but has looked shite since. Lonergan played well today but can't be
>> the long term solution.
>> >
>> > RB : happy with Ayling
>> >
>> > LB : a definite yes. Not replaced Taylor. I like Berardi but he's not a
>> left back.
>> >
>> > RCB : Jansson ok but I've not been impressed this season, especially
>> his attitude.
>> >
>> > LCB : definite yes. I saw Cooper has blocked someone on twitter for
>> calling him league one Liam but he's spot on. A few good games doesn't make
>> up for his obvious failings, Cardiff in particular would have me looking to
>> get rid. Agree totally with Rich's point - he won the ball but tried to
>> bring the ball out instead of putting his foot through it and they nearly
>> scored. He's not a player in a promotion team for me.
>> >
>> > RDM : I'm reasonably happy with O'Kane - he's good on the ball and
>> brings it forward. Needs someone with more physicality along side him.
>> >
>> > LDM : I like Philipps, I like that he's local and came through the
>> ranks and looks like he cares but hand on heart, is he a first team player
>> for a promotion team? I'd have to say no. Maybe one day but not 

Re: [LU] Reading

[Simon McNally]

I wouldn't say Jansson was crap but he looks out of sorts. 
I think a better partner would help

Sent from my iPhone

> On 15 Oct 2017, at 09:40, Rob Heath  wrote:
> 
> Jansson...a CB who was superb on loan...then signed a permanent deal 
> and became crap..how many is that now?
> 
> Bamba.Valiukis or something..that lad from Harrogate...??
> 
>> On 15 Oct 2017 16:33, "Simon McNally"  wrote:
>> Fair point. I normally stay and clap them regardless of the result but I was 
>> so annoyed with their limp performance yesterday I just walked off too.
>> There's definitely something up with Jansson though. He doesn't look the 
>> same player as last year. Hopefully it's just because he's having to play 
>> alongside Cooper instead of Bartley. We desperately need another centre back.
>> To me the team looks short of leaders - too much whinging at the referee and 
>> not enough getting stuck in and fighting.
>> 
>> Simon
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> > On 15 Oct 2017, at 09:09, Richard Walker  wrote:
>> >
>> > Good summary Simon and agree with most of what you have written.
>> >
>> > In terms of Jansson being the first down the tunnel after a defeat but the 
>> > last off the pitch when we win I don't hold that against him. As a fan 
>> > yesterday I was straight out of the stand on the final whistle and the 
>> > last thing I want to see is Cooper and Philips dragging themselves around 
>> > the four stands clapping the fans and almost asking for an apology. Fuck 
>> > off ! Get yourself back in that dressing room and have a word with 
>> > yourself.
>> >
>> > Jansson went down the tunnel cos he was pissed off and I don't blame him 
>> > for that, afterall he'd just spent the afternoon playing alongside 
>> > carcrash Cooper.
>> >
>> > On Saturday, 14 October 2017, 22:37:44 BST, Simon McNally 
>> >  wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > Very disappointed today. We didn't turn up first half at all and gave away 
>> > a bad goal.
>> > I agree with Noel Whelan on radio Leeds - we might feel hard done by to 
>> > not get a foul in the build up to their goal but the ball had to travel a 
>> > long way to end up in the net. Too many of them switched off, Ayling,  who 
>> > has been excellent this season, switched off and Barrow ran in behind him. 
>> > I knew he'd score as soon as he came on - another twat that was shit for 
>> > us comes back and scores.
>> > I'm worried that we've got a squad with no real leaders - I hate to see us 
>> > arguing the toss with the officials when the ball is in play. I think 
>> > Hernandez is good, especially at this level, but he's not strong enough 
>> > and falls over appealing for a free kick whenever he's challenged. He 
>> > needs to grow a pair.
>> > As Rich has said, Lassogga gets muscled off the ball too easily for such a 
>> > big bloke and Grot looks useless.
>> > A couple of other things that Radio Leeds picked up on that I noticed too. 
>> > Jansson (and Hernandez) were quick to get down the tunnel. Jansson is 
>> > always fist pumping the crowd when they've won but couldn't wait to get 
>> > down the tunnel today. I don't like that and maybe that's why he hasn't 
>> > made it big anywhere else - brilliant when things are going well, fucks 
>> > off when they're not..
>> > Also, no players came to speak to the press after the game - they're happy 
>> > to do it after a win but again I think that's poor.
>> > There's talk that there'll be money to spend in January so I've been 
>> > thinking which positions need strengthening.
>> > Assuming he sticks with 4231 (I'd rather we played 442 at home).
>> >
>> > GK : a definite yes! Wiedwald looked ok when he didn't have to make any 
>> > saves but has looked shite since. Lonergan played well today but can't be 
>> > the long term solution.
>> >
>> > RB : happy with Ayling
>> >
>> > LB : a definite yes. Not replaced Taylor. I like Berardi but he's not a 
>> > left back.
>> >
>> > RCB : Jansson ok but I've not been impressed this season, especially his 
>> > attitude.
>> >
>> > LCB : definite yes. I saw Cooper has blocked someone on twitter for 
>> > calling him league one Liam but he's spot on. A few good games doesn't 
>> > make up for his obvious failings, Cardiff in particular would have me 
>> > looking to get rid. Agree totally with Rich's point - he won the ball but 
>> > tried to bring the ball out instead of putting his foot through it and 
>> > they nearly scored. He's not a player in a promotion team for me.
>> >
>> > RDM : I'm reasonably happy with O'Kane - he's good on the ball and brings 
>> > it forward. Needs someone with more physicality along side him.
>> >
>> > LDM : I like Philipps, I like that he's local and came through the ranks 
>> > and looks like he cares but hand on heart, is he a first team player for a 
>> > promotion team? I'd have to say no. Maybe one day but not today. This 
>> > position is 

Re: [LU] Reading

[Rob Heath]

Jansson...a CB who was superb on loan...then signed a permanent
deal and became crap..how many is that now?

Bamba.Valiukis or something..that lad from Harrogate...??
On 15 Oct 2017 16:33, "Simon McNally"  wrote:

> Fair point. I normally stay and clap them regardless of the result but I
> was so annoyed with their limp performance yesterday I just walked off too.
> There's definitely something up with Jansson though. He doesn't look the
> same player as last year. Hopefully it's just because he's having to play
> alongside Cooper instead of Bartley. We desperately need another centre
> back.
> To me the team looks short of leaders - too much whinging at the referee
> and not enough getting stuck in and fighting.
>
> Simon
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On 15 Oct 2017, at 09:09, Richard Walker 
> wrote:
> >
> > Good summary Simon and agree with most of what you have written.
> >
> > In terms of Jansson being the first down the tunnel after a defeat but
> the last off the pitch when we win I don't hold that against him. As a fan
> yesterday I was straight out of the stand on the final whistle and the last
> thing I want to see is Cooper and Philips dragging themselves around the
> four stands clapping the fans and almost asking for an apology. Fuck off !
> Get yourself back in that dressing room and have a word with yourself.
> >
> > Jansson went down the tunnel cos he was pissed off and I don't blame him
> for that, afterall he'd just spent the afternoon playing alongside carcrash
> Cooper.
> >
> > On Saturday, 14 October 2017, 22:37:44 BST, Simon McNally <
> simon_mcna...@sky.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Very disappointed today. We didn't turn up first half at all and gave
> away a bad goal.
> > I agree with Noel Whelan on radio Leeds - we might feel hard done by to
> not get a foul in the build up to their goal but the ball had to travel a
> long way to end up in the net. Too many of them switched off, Ayling,  who
> has been excellent this season, switched off and Barrow ran in behind him.
> I knew he'd score as soon as he came on - another twat that was shit for us
> comes back and scores.
> > I'm worried that we've got a squad with no real leaders - I hate to see
> us arguing the toss with the officials when the ball is in play. I think
> Hernandez is good, especially at this level, but he's not strong enough and
> falls over appealing for a free kick whenever he's challenged. He needs to
> grow a pair.
> > As Rich has said, Lassogga gets muscled off the ball too easily for such
> a big bloke and Grot looks useless.
> > A couple of other things that Radio Leeds picked up on that I noticed
> too. Jansson (and Hernandez) were quick to get down the tunnel. Jansson is
> always fist pumping the crowd when they've won but couldn't wait to get
> down the tunnel today. I don't like that and maybe that's why he hasn't
> made it big anywhere else - brilliant when things are going well, fucks off
> when they're not..
> > Also, no players came to speak to the press after the game - they're
> happy to do it after a win but again I think that's poor.
> > There's talk that there'll be money to spend in January so I've been
> thinking which positions need strengthening.
> > Assuming he sticks with 4231 (I'd rather we played 442 at home).
> >
> > GK : a definite yes! Wiedwald looked ok when he didn't have to make any
> saves but has looked shite since. Lonergan played well today but can't be
> the long term solution.
> >
> > RB : happy with Ayling
> >
> > LB : a definite yes. Not replaced Taylor. I like Berardi but he's not a
> left back.
> >
> > RCB : Jansson ok but I've not been impressed this season, especially his
> attitude.
> >
> > LCB : definite yes. I saw Cooper has blocked someone on twitter for
> calling him league one Liam but he's spot on. A few good games doesn't make
> up for his obvious failings, Cardiff in particular would have me looking to
> get rid. Agree totally with Rich's point - he won the ball but tried to
> bring the ball out instead of putting his foot through it and they nearly
> scored. He's not a player in a promotion team for me.
> >
> > RDM : I'm reasonably happy with O'Kane - he's good on the ball and
> brings it forward. Needs someone with more physicality along side him.
> >
> > LDM : I like Philipps, I like that he's local and came through the ranks
> and looks like he cares but hand on heart, is he a first team player for a
> promotion team? I'd have to say no. Maybe one day but not today. This
> position is crucial - linking O'Kane to the players further forward,
> winning tackles, scoring goals, almost the complete midfielder. I'd like us
> to throw whatever money we've got at an experienced player to do that -
> trouble is, I can't think of too many. Any thoughts?
> >
> > CAM : Saiz is class, needs to see more of the ball in advanced positions.
> >
> > RW : I was happy with Alioski but starting to think the 

Re: [LU] Reading

[{broken-address} Richard Walker]

I think Pennington should play alongside Jansson. A centre back pairing has to 
be given time (which we haven't got) but I don't think that partnership should 
be judged on the Sheff Wed game where our keeper stood on his goal line all 
game. 

  From: Simon McNally <simon_mcna...@sky.com>
 To: Richard Walker <richleed...@yahoo.co.uk> 
Cc: {broken-address} Richard Walker 
<richleed...@yahoo.co.uk.is-broken.gn.apc.org>; "leedslist@gn.apc.org" 
<leedslist@gn.apc.org>
 Sent: Sunday, 15 October 2017, 9:33
 Subject: Re: [LU] Reading
   
Fair point. I normally stay and clap them regardless of the result but I was so 
annoyed with their limp performance yesterday I just walked off too.There's 
definitely something up with Jansson though. He doesn't look the same player as 
last year. Hopefully it's just because he's having to play alongside Cooper 
instead of Bartley. We desperately need another centre back.To me the team 
looks short of leaders - too much whinging at the referee and not enough 
getting stuck in and fighting.
Simon 

Sent from my iPhone
On 15 Oct 2017, at 09:09, Richard Walker <richleed...@yahoo..co.uk> wrote:


 Good summary Simon and agree with most of what you have written.
In terms of Jansson being the first down the tunnel after a defeat but the last 
off the pitch when we win I don't hold that against him. As a fan yesterday I 
was straight out of the stand on the final whistle and the last thing I want to 
see is Cooper and Philips dragging themselves around the four stands clapping 
the fans and almost asking for an apology. Fuck off ! Get yourself back in that 
dressing room and have a word with yourself. 
Jansson went down the tunnel cos he was pissed off and I don't blame him for 
that, afterall he'd just spent the afternoon playing alongside carcrash Cooper. 
On Saturday, 14 October 2017, 22:37:44 BST, Simon McNally 
<simon_mcna...@sky.com> wrote:  
 
 Very disappointed today. We didn't turn up first half at all and gave away a 
bad goal.
I agree with Noel Whelan on radio Leeds - we might feel hard done by to not get 
a foul in the build up to their goal but the ball had to travel a long way to 
end up in the net. Too many of them switched off, Ayling,  who has been 
excellent this season, switched off and Barrow ran in behind him. I knew he'd 
score as soon as he came on - another twat that was shit for us comes back and 
scores. 
I'm worried that we've got a squad with no real leaders - I hate to see us 
arguing the toss with the officials when the ball is in play. I think Hernandez 
is good, especially at this level, but he's not strong enough and falls over 
appealing for a free kick whenever he's challenged. He needs to grow a pair.
As Rich has said, Lassogga gets muscled off the ball too easily for such a big 
bloke and Grot looks useless.
A couple of other things that Radio Leeds picked up on that I noticed too. 
Jansson (and Hernandez) were quick to get down the tunnel. Jansson is always 
fist pumping the crowd when they've won but couldn't wait to get down the 
tunnel today. I don't like that and maybe that's why he hasn't made it big 
anywhere else - brilliant when things are going well, fucks off when they're 
not..
Also, no players came to speak to the press after the game - they're happy to 
do it after a win but again I think that's poor.
There's talk that there'll be money to spend in January so I've been thinking 
which positions need strengthening.
Assuming he sticks with 4231 (I'd rather we played 442 at home).

GK : a definite yes! Wiedwald looked ok when he didn't have to make any saves 
but has looked shite since. Lonergan played well today but can't be the long 
term solution.

RB : happy with Ayling

LB : a definite yes. Not replaced Taylor. I like Berardi but he's not a left 
back.

RCB : Jansson ok but I've not been impressed this season, especially his 
attitude.

LCB : definite yes. I saw Cooper has blocked someone on twitter for calling him 
league one Liam but he's spot on. A few good games doesn't make up for his 
obvious failings, Cardiff in particular would have me looking to get rid. Agree 
totally with Rich's point - he won the ball but tried to bring the ball out 
instead of putting his foot through it and they nearly scored. He's not a 
player in a promotion team for me.

RDM : I'm reasonably happy with O'Kane - he's good on the ball and brings it 
forward. Needs someone with more physicality along side him.

LDM : I like Philipps, I like that he's local and came through the ranks and 
looks like he cares but hand on heart, is he a first team player for a 
promotion team? I'd have to say no. Maybe one day but not today. This position 
is crucial - linking O'Kane to the players further forward, winning tackles, 
scoring goals, almost the complete midfielder. I'd like us to throw whatever 
money we've got at an experienced player to do that - trouble is, I can't think 
of too many. Any tho

Re: [LU] Reading

[Simon McNally]

Fair point. I normally stay and clap them regardless of the result but I was so 
annoyed with their limp performance yesterday I just walked off too.
There's definitely something up with Jansson though. He doesn't look the same 
player as last year. Hopefully it's just because he's having to play alongside 
Cooper instead of Bartley. We desperately need another centre back.
To me the team looks short of leaders - too much whinging at the referee and 
not enough getting stuck in and fighting.

Simon 

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> On 15 Oct 2017, at 09:09, Richard Walker  wrote:
> 
> Good summary Simon and agree with most of what you have written.
> 
> In terms of Jansson being the first down the tunnel after a defeat but the 
> last off the pitch when we win I don't hold that against him. As a fan 
> yesterday I was straight out of the stand on the final whistle and the last 
> thing I want to see is Cooper and Philips dragging themselves around the four 
> stands clapping the fans and almost asking for an apology. Fuck off ! Get 
> yourself back in that dressing room and have a word with yourself. 
> 
> Jansson went down the tunnel cos he was pissed off and I don't blame him for 
> that, afterall he'd just spent the afternoon playing alongside carcrash 
> Cooper. 
> 
> On Saturday, 14 October 2017, 22:37:44 BST, Simon McNally 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Very disappointed today. We didn't turn up first half at all and gave away a 
> bad goal.
> I agree with Noel Whelan on radio Leeds - we might feel hard done by to not 
> get a foul in the build up to their goal but the ball had to travel a long 
> way to end up in the net. Too many of them switched off, Ayling,  who has 
> been excellent this season, switched off and Barrow ran in behind him. I knew 
> he'd score as soon as he came on - another twat that was shit for us comes 
> back and scores. 
> I'm worried that we've got a squad with no real leaders - I hate to see us 
> arguing the toss with the officials when the ball is in play. I think 
> Hernandez is good, especially at this level, but he's not strong enough and 
> falls over appealing for a free kick whenever he's challenged. He needs to 
> grow a pair.
> As Rich has said, Lassogga gets muscled off the ball too easily for such a 
> big bloke and Grot looks useless.
> A couple of other things that Radio Leeds picked up on that I noticed too. 
> Jansson (and Hernandez) were quick to get down the tunnel. Jansson is always 
> fist pumping the crowd when they've won but couldn't wait to get down the 
> tunnel today. I don't like that and maybe that's why he hasn't made it big 
> anywhere else - brilliant when things are going well, fucks off when they're 
> not..
> Also, no players came to speak to the press after the game - they're happy to 
> do it after a win but again I think that's poor.
> There's talk that there'll be money to spend in January so I've been thinking 
> which positions need strengthening.
> Assuming he sticks with 4231 (I'd rather we played 442 at home).
> 
> GK : a definite yes! Wiedwald looked ok when he didn't have to make any saves 
> but has looked shite since. Lonergan played well today but can't be the long 
> term solution.
> 
> RB : happy with Ayling
> 
> LB : a definite yes. Not replaced Taylor. I like Berardi but he's not a left 
> back.
> 
> RCB : Jansson ok but I've not been impressed this season, especially his 
> attitude.
> 
> LCB : definite yes. I saw Cooper has blocked someone on twitter for calling 
> him league one Liam but he's spot on. A few good games doesn't make up for 
> his obvious failings, Cardiff in particular would have me looking to get rid. 
> Agree totally with Rich's point - he won the ball but tried to bring the ball 
> out instead of putting his foot through it and they nearly scored. He's not a 
> player in a promotion team for me.
> 
> RDM : I'm reasonably happy with O'Kane - he's good on the ball and brings it 
> forward. Needs someone with more physicality along side him.
> 
> LDM : I like Philipps, I like that he's local and came through the ranks and 
> looks like he cares but hand on heart, is he a first team player for a 
> promotion team? I'd have to say no. Maybe one day but not today. This 
> position is crucial - linking O'Kane to the players further forward, winning 
> tackles, scoring goals, almost the complete midfielder. I'd like us to throw 
> whatever money we've got at an experienced player to do that - trouble is, I 
> can't think of too many. Any thoughts?
> 
> CAM : Saiz is class, needs to see more of the ball in advanced positions.
> 
> RW : I was happy with Alioski but starting to think the "Macedonian Messi" 
> tag might be slightly optimistic! Despite what radio Leeds said, I think 
> Roofe was poor today. Like Rich, I think he's too lightweight and league one 
> is probably his level. I'd stick with Alioski for now.
> 
> LW : Hernandez goes missing too often for me and spends more 

Re: [LU] Reading

[{broken-address} Richard Walker]

 Good summary Simon and agree with most of what you have written.
In terms of Jansson being the first down the tunnel after a defeat but the last 
off the pitch when we win I don't hold that against him. As a fan yesterday I 
was straight out of the stand on the final whistle and the last thing I want to 
see is Cooper and Philips dragging themselves around the four stands clapping 
the fans and almost asking for an apology. Fuck off ! Get yourself back in that 
dressing room and have a word with yourself. 
Jansson went down the tunnel cos he was pissed off and I don't blame him for 
that, afterall he'd just spent the afternoon playing alongside carcrash Cooper. 
On Saturday, 14 October 2017, 22:37:44 BST, Simon McNally 
 wrote:  
 
 Very disappointed today. We didn't turn up first half at all and gave away a 
bad goal.
I agree with Noel Whelan on radio Leeds - we might feel hard done by to not get 
a foul in the build up to their goal but the ball had to travel a long way to 
end up in the net. Too many of them switched off, Ayling,  who has been 
excellent this season, switched off and Barrow ran in behind him. I knew he'd 
score as soon as he came on - another twat that was shit for us comes back and 
scores. 
I'm worried that we've got a squad with no real leaders - I hate to see us 
arguing the toss with the officials when the ball is in play. I think Hernandez 
is good, especially at this level, but he's not strong enough and falls over 
appealing for a free kick whenever he's challenged. He needs to grow a pair.
As Rich has said, Lassogga gets muscled off the ball too easily for such a big 
bloke and Grot looks useless.
A couple of other things that Radio Leeds picked up on that I noticed too. 
Jansson (and Hernandez) were quick to get down the tunnel. Jansson is always 
fist pumping the crowd when they've won but couldn't wait to get down the 
tunnel today. I don't like that and maybe that's why he hasn't made it big 
anywhere else - brilliant when things are going well, fucks off when they're 
not..
Also, no players came to speak to the press after the game - they're happy to 
do it after a win but again I think that's poor.
There's talk that there'll be money to spend in January so I've been thinking 
which positions need strengthening.
Assuming he sticks with 4231 (I'd rather we played 442 at home).

GK : a definite yes! Wiedwald looked ok when he didn't have to make any saves 
but has looked shite since. Lonergan played well today but can't be the long 
term solution.

RB : happy with Ayling

LB : a definite yes. Not replaced Taylor. I like Berardi but he's not a left 
back.

RCB : Jansson ok but I've not been impressed this season, especially his 
attitude.

LCB : definite yes. I saw Cooper has blocked someone on twitter for calling him 
league one Liam but he's spot on. A few good games doesn't make up for his 
obvious failings, Cardiff in particular would have me looking to get rid. Agree 
totally with Rich's point - he won the ball but tried to bring the ball out 
instead of putting his foot through it and they nearly scored. He's not a 
player in a promotion team for me.

RDM : I'm reasonably happy with O'Kane - he's good on the ball and brings it 
forward. Needs someone with more physicality along side him.

LDM : I like Philipps, I like that he's local and came through the ranks and 
looks like he cares but hand on heart, is he a first team player for a 
promotion team? I'd have to say no. Maybe one day but not today. This position 
is crucial - linking O'Kane to the players further forward, winning tackles, 
scoring goals, almost the complete midfielder. I'd like us to throw whatever 
money we've got at an experienced player to do that - trouble is, I can't think 
of too many. Any thoughts?

CAM : Saiz is class, needs to see more of the ball in advanced positions.

RW : I was happy with Alioski but starting to think the "Macedonian Messi" tag 
might be slightly optimistic! Despite what radio Leeds said, I think Roofe was 
poor today. Like Rich, I think he's too lightweight and league one is probably 
his level. I'd stick with Alioski for now.

LW : Hernandez goes missing too often for me and spends more time diving for 
free kicks than anything else. He's got real class but misplaced loads of easy 
passes today. I think he's in decline. I'd look for an upgrade or give Dallas a 
run.

CF : thought Lasogga looked the business to start with, but in fairness I think 
I'd have looked good against Burton. Needs to work a lot harder and maybe this 
is why he's not played much for Hamburg. Again , hard to judge him when he 
doesn't get much service but he didn't really do much himself.

I make my shopping list :
Experienced complete midfielder 
Goalkeeper 
Left back
Centre back
Winger
Striker 

Thoughts?

Simon 

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> On 14 Oct 2017, at 19:37, {broken-address} Richard Walker 
>  wrote:
> 
> This was a 

Re: [LU] Reading

[{broken-address} Richard Walker]

 I did say that O'Kane did try and get things going second half and he was the 
one chosen by TC to sit deep alongside the centre backs in an attempt to make 
the system work. So yes credit to him because he was actually the one also 
breaking through to try a few shots. What does that say though about his 
partner Phillips ? TC obviously didn't see him doing that job from the back so 
I'm not sure what Phillips is doing in that system ?
I think the first step is to give Vierra a run in Philips's position and as you 
say this may complement O'Kane better. I do worry though that Vierra has been 
left out for so long it may take a match or two to get into his stride and at 
this moment in time we don't have that luxury. A few defeats really do put 
everyone under pressure and we are looking to a leader and I'm not sure we've 
got one on that pitch. 
O'Kane though is never going to be better than an average midfielder in this 
league. That can get you promoted if players around him are helping him and 
pushing him to play above his level but I would suggest he's not a midfielder 
that's going to take us up. Compare to Aaron Mooy.
I think there's an argument to try Vierra and Klitch or Vierra and Anita in 
that midfield pairing. I think Anita could bring some simplicity and control to 
the midfield. Ok he may get ovverrun but with Vierra doing most of the leg work 
that pairing could work. I haven't written Klitch off yet, I think he was 
unfortunate with his mistake at Cardiff which appears to be the start of the 
rot but I think he's a good passer and he knows how to play but I think he 
needs to sharpen up and he'll only do that playing games. 
Tough times and decisions for TC.

On Sunday, 15 October 2017, 01:11:31 BST, {broken-address} Nicholas Armit 
 wrote:  
 
 Quick thoughts:

Disagree a bit with Rich. I thought O’Kane was the only one who tried the whole 
game and who tried to string defense to attack. I like him. Just needs a strong 
partner so he can push forward a bit. That would be Viera.

Phillips: slow, thick and uninspiring. Third or fourth division player.

Hernandez: stuck out on the wing all the time. He is not a winger. No pace but 
bright and skillful. But we have one of those on Saiz so a conundrum. What to 
do?

Roofe; scored a bunch as a forward do why do we play him as a winger/ outside 
mid? 

Nick

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Re: [LU] Reading

[{broken-address} Nicholas Armit]

Quick thoughts:

Disagree a bit with Rich. I thought O’Kane was the only one who tried the whole 
game and who tried to string defense to attack. I like him. Just needs a strong 
partner so he can push forward a bit. That would be Viera.

Phillips: slow, thick and uninspiring. Third or fourth division player.

Hernandez: stuck out on the wing all the time. He is not a winger. No pace but 
bright and skillful. But we have one of those on Saiz so a conundrum. What to 
do?

Roofe; scored a bunch as a forward do why do we play him as a winger/ outside 
mid? 

Nick

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> On Oct 14, 2017, at 2:37 PM, {broken-address} Richard Walker 
>  wrote:
> 
> This was a horror show especially the first 45 minutes where we just didn't 
> look like a team. TC dropped his keeper which was a good decision but he now 
> has to seriously have a look at his style of play and look to whether he 
> should develop a Plan B.
> It is painful to see us pass square balls across the back until we were put 
> under pressure and had to go back to Lonerghan. You could see the players 
> thinking we've been told to do this but it isn't working. We continually put 
> herself under pressure because to play this system you need at least one 
> midfielder who can sit deep, offer himself and make things happen. Both 
> O'Kane and Philips didn't seem to want to do this. It took TC 45 minutes to 
> see that this wasn't working and he changed it second half by moving O'Kane 
> deep to sit between them and start the moves. It was better but I still don't 
> think we're a team that is capable of playing this type of football in the 
> championship. And whilst we've been praising TC and slagging Garry Monk (me 
> included) maybe we should now begin to question whether Monk's limited 
> tactics and straight forward approach with a hungry team might be a better 
> way forward to this continental game that TC is trying to adopt with players 
> who find it hard to pass a ball at times. 
> The reason TC doesn't want to see us punt it long is that we don't have 
> anyone capable of winning the ball. Lasogga is a big unit but he is shite at 
> 50:50 balls in the air, in fact today he rarely got off the ground and when 
> Grot came on he us a masterclass of how a 7ft bloke can look ineffective in 
> the air. 
> I think the main weaknesses today other than the system was our two central 
> midfielders - O'Kane and Philips. It seemed at the start of the season the TC 
> had spotted something we hadn't and had moulded Philips into a new , young 
> superstar. I think we can reflect and see that Philips got a 4 year contract 
> based on a few goals and half decent games against the poorer teams in the 
> league. In fact, our results have come against the weaker teams in the 
> leagues and if you take an objective look at the table and who we have played 
> you'd have to say a mid table finish with this team is about right.
> However, I do think there is potential in this team, I do think we have some 
> better players and I think if TC can steady the ship and maybe pick players 
> more suited to his style we have a chance of improving on last year but I 
> think the next few games are the true test of TC and his team. I remember 
> Wagner adopted this style and was crucified by some Town fans after variable 
> results but he stuck to his task , got some players in who can handle it and 
> he ended up in the PL.
> As for the game today, I thought it was a game between two low in confidence 
> , poor teams. I thought Reading has a couple of top players. Their big 
> striker had a nice touch on him and one left Cooper for dead in the first 
> half - you rarely see a central defender left for dead like he did to Cooper. 
> There weren't many chances (I don't think we had any) and Lonergan made a 
> decent save for their only chance. The worrying thing for me though is that 
> we played 45 mins looking like a team who weren't that bothered. We struggled 
> to put 2 passes together and in midfield we didn't compete. Hernandez was 
> again relegated to the left wing and Saiz was playing high up the park and as 
> a result hardly had a kick as we struggled to take control of the game. 
> Second half, with O'Kane came deeper it was better but it took the 
> introduction of Sackoshit (for ineffective Roofe) to really change things. He 
> gave us a bit of pace and a bit of directness that seemed to spur us on. 
> Suddenly we wanted it and Saiz started to get on the ball and we started to 
> llok dangerous. However as we pushed forward Reading did us on the break with 
> a simple goal scored by Barrow - when he came it on someone commented that it 
> was inevitable he was going to score. He nearly scored prior to the goal with 
> a hard shot which was well saved by Lonergan. 
> We huffed and puffed, Jansson missed the chance of the game, skying over from 
> 6 yards after great work from Hernandes and eventually we 

[LU] Reading

[{broken-address} Richard Walker]

This was a horror show especially the first 45 minutes where we just didn't 
look like a team. TC dropped his keeper which was a good decision but he now 
has to seriously have a look at his style of play and look to whether he should 
develop a Plan B.
It is painful to see us pass square balls across the back until we were put 
under pressure and had to go back to Lonerghan. You could see the players 
thinking we've been told to do this but it isn't working. We continually put 
herself under pressure because to play this system you need at least one 
midfielder who can sit deep, offer himself and make things happen. Both O'Kane 
and Philips didn't seem to want to do this. It took TC 45 minutes to see that 
this wasn't working and he changed it second half by moving O'Kane deep to sit 
between them and start the moves. It was better but I still don't think we're a 
team that is capable of playing this type of football in the championship. And 
whilst we've been praising TC and slagging Garry Monk (me included) maybe we 
should now begin to question whether Monk's limited tactics and straight 
forward approach with a hungry team might be a better way forward to this 
continental game that TC is trying to adopt with players who find it hard to 
pass a ball at times. 
The reason TC doesn't want to see us punt it long is that we don't have anyone 
capable of winning the ball. Lasogga is a big unit but he is shite at 50:50 
balls in the air, in fact today he rarely got off the ground and when Grot came 
on he us a masterclass of how a 7ft bloke can look ineffective in the air. 
I think the main weaknesses today other than the system was our two central 
midfielders - O'Kane and Philips. It seemed at the start of the season the TC 
had spotted something we hadn't and had moulded Philips into a new , young 
superstar. I think we can reflect and see that Philips got a 4 year contract 
based on a few goals and half decent games against the poorer teams in the 
league. In fact, our results have come against the weaker teams in the leagues 
and if you take an objective look at the table and who we have played you'd 
have to say a mid table finish with this team is about right.
However, I do think there is potential in this team, I do think we have some 
better players and I think if TC can steady the ship and maybe pick players 
more suited to his style we have a chance of improving on last year but I think 
the next few games are the true test of TC and his team. I remember Wagner 
adopted this style and was crucified by some Town fans after variable results 
but he stuck to his task , got some players in who can handle it and he ended 
up in the PL.
As for the game today, I thought it was a game between two low in confidence , 
poor teams. I thought Reading has a couple of top players. Their big striker 
had a nice touch on him and one left Cooper for dead in the first half - you 
rarely see a central defender left for dead like he did to Cooper. There 
weren't many chances (I don't think we had any) and Lonergan made a decent save 
for their only chance. The worrying thing for me though is that we played 45 
mins looking like a team who weren't that bothered. We struggled to put 2 
passes together and in midfield we didn't compete. Hernandez was again 
relegated to the left wing and Saiz was playing high up the park and as a 
result hardly had a kick as we struggled to take control of the game. 
Second half, with O'Kane came deeper it was better but it took the introduction 
of Sackoshit (for ineffective Roofe) to really change things. He gave us a bit 
of pace and a bit of directness that seemed to spur us on. Suddenly we wanted 
it and Saiz started to get on the ball and we started to llok dangerous. 
However as we pushed forward Reading did us on the break with a simple goal 
scored by Barrow - when he came it on someone commented that it was inevitable 
he was going to score. He nearly scored prior to the goal with a hard shot 
which was well saved by Lonergan. 
We huffed and puffed, Jansson missed the chance of the game, skying over from 6 
yards after great work from Hernandes and eventually we got what we deserved as 
Saiz jinked into the box and was brought down. 
Hernandes, the king of penalties, stepped up and placed it with no pace, on the 
floor about 1 yard from the keeper. The easiest penalty save ever. Hernandes 
sank to his knees. Summed up the whole day and the performance perfectly. 
There's so many positive things going on at ER at the moment, the atmosphere is 
great pre-match and the big crowds are coming back however I think there's 
definitely a mini-crisis at the moment which is going to take some hard work to 
get out of. I go from thinking TC will pull it out of the bag and then I think 
he's actually out of his depth as a championship manager. Time will tell. 
Scores:
Lonergan - 7. Good decision, he looked much more solid and made some good 
saves. But why the fuck did we get rid of Rob 

Re: [LU] Non LU: Reading

[Richard Naef]

Not listening, do we deserve it?

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Yes; Roofe (18), Hernandez (45).

On 8 April 2017 at 15:53, Michael Benjamin <m...@myray.com> wrote:

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> *Subject:* Re: [LU] Non LU: Reading
>
>
>
> Norwich 6-1 Reading (HT).
>
>
>
> On 8 April 2017 at 15:47, Michael Benjamin <m...@myray.com> wrote:
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> Who is doing what to whom?
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> Michael
>
> Dr  Michael Benjamin,
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> |WTF, how can they beat us and today are 5-0 before half time 
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[Ed Morrish]

Yes; Roofe (18), Hernandez (45).

On 8 April 2017 at 15:53, Michael Benjamin <m...@myray.com> wrote:

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>
>
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>
> *From:* Ed Morrish [mailto:edmorr...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Saturday, April 8, 2017 5:49 PM
> *To:* Michael Benjamin <m...@myray.com>
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> *Subject:* Re: [LU] Non LU: Reading
>
>
>
> Norwich 6-1 Reading (HT).
>
>
>
> On 8 April 2017 at 15:47, Michael Benjamin <m...@myray.com> wrote:
>
> Who is doing what to whom?
>
> Michael
>
> Dr  Michael Benjamin,
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>
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[Michael Benjamin]

We are 2-0 up?

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Community Psychiatrist.

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From: Ed Morrish [mailto:edmorr...@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, April 8, 2017 5:49 PM
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Subject: Re: [LU] Non LU: Reading

Norwich 6-1 Reading (HT).

On 8 April 2017 at 15:47, Michael Benjamin 
<m...@myray.com<mailto:m...@myray.com>> wrote:
Who is doing what to whom?

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|WTF, how can they beat us and today are 5-0 before half time 
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Re: [LU] Non LU: Reading

[Ed Morrish]

Norwich 6-1 Reading (HT).

On 8 April 2017 at 15:47, Michael Benjamin <m...@myray.com> wrote:

> Who is doing what to whom?
>
> Michael
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> Robinson,
> |Mick
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> |Subject: [LU] Non LU: Reading
> |
> |WTF, how can they beat us and today are 5-0 before half time 
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Re: [LU] Non LU: Reading

[Robinson, Mick]

Sorry, should have said 5-0 down, they are away.  6-1 now



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Subject: RE: [LU] Non LU: Reading

Who is doing what to whom? 

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|WTF, how can they beat us and today are 5-0 before half time 
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Re: [LU] Non LU: Reading

[Michael Benjamin]

Who is doing what to whom? 

Michael 

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|-Original Message-
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|Mick
|Sent: Saturday, April 8, 2017 5:41 PM
|To: leedslist <leedslist@gn.apc.org>
|Subject: [LU] Non LU: Reading
|
|WTF, how can they beat us and today are 5-0 before half time 
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[LU] Non LU: Reading

[Robinson, Mick]

WTF, how can they beat us and today are 5-0 before half time 


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[LU] Reading

[nat...@sky.com]

I do not think it has harmed our play off chances too much - still very much in 
our own hands - a 6 point gap with 7 games to go

We were prety poor throughout and I think Monk is kidding himself (and us ) if 
he thinks we deserved a point, yes we did put them under some pressure in the 
last 15 mins or so without really creating any clear chances, and maybe we 
should have scored (Bartley and Pedraza) before they did BUT they missed 2 or 
3asy chances , albeit Green desreves some credit.
It did emphasise a couple of things we already knew - if Wood does not score we 
struggle to score and Cooper is not good enough.
I thought for their goal 3 players at least were at fault - Pedraza and Taylor 
for not being aware of the player they had bundled off the pitch (I was yelling 
at the TV before they took the throwing - reminded me of a goal Sheff Wed got 
against us years ago when their player went off the pitch behind the goal and 
cam back on unmarked) Taylor was then guilty of a poor header, and Cooper 
jumped out of the way rather than helping the ball on its way out of our box, 
we then failed to close the forward down and let him get a shot it )not sure 
whose fault that was)
Hopefully the FA will look at two incidents after the game and give 2 players a 
3 match ban - their lad who forearm smashed Wood in the first half - deliberate 
assault and I cannot believe Sky ignored it at half time. Secondly the stamp by 
Cooper, it looked deliberate and to be honest I think him getting a 3 match ban 
will help us ! It will mean either Janson getting a recall when fit (so if 
there is anything going on behind the scenes him and Monk need to sort it) or 
it will allow Ayling to play centre back and give him a few games to show if he 
can play there (as he did so well v Derby) and get him some much needed 
experience there for the play offs if Pontus is out for good.
So a bad day but Sheff Wed and Hudds dropping points and both being on a bad 
run means it is not fatal
Dave
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Re: [LU] Reading Away Ticket help

[{broken-address} Nicholas Armit]

Ah thanks Richard. I bottled out and bought tickets in the home end yesterday 
but we are right next to the away end so should get the full experience. But 
thanks!

Anyone going who wants to meet up? Where do folks normally grab a pint in 
Reading?

Nick

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 11, 2017, at 6:29 AM, Richard Naef <rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk> 
> wrote:
> 
> I'm a gold member and normally can get a ticket for games with large 
> allocations, happy to apply on your behalf as it's my birthday and my partner 
> has only gone and bloody well arranged a night out. 
> 
> Let me know.
> 
> Sent from my Mobile
> 
> ---- Original Message 
> Subject: [LU] Reading Away Ticket help
> From: {broken-address} Nicholas Armit 
> To: Leeds List ,nat...@sky.com
> CC: 
> 
> Is there anyone on the list who could help me out with tickets in the away 
> end for me and my son coming over from the US for the Reading game on April 
> 1st? Ian was helping me but he is in the last group that would qualify and I 
> am worried all tickets may be gone by then. Any season ticket holders out 
> there who are not going?
> Many, many thanks Nick
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Re: [LU] Reading Away Ticket help

[Richard Naef]

I'm a gold member and normally can get a ticket for games with large 
allocations, happy to apply on your behalf as it's my birthday and my partner 
has only gone and bloody well arranged a night out.

Let me know.

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Subject: [LU] Reading Away Ticket help
From: {broken-address} Nicholas Armit
To: Leeds List ,nat...@sky.com
CC:

Is there anyone on the list who could help me out with tickets in the away end 
for me and my son coming over from the US for the Reading game on April 1st? 
Ian was helping me but he is in the last group that would qualify and I am 
worried all tickets may be gone by then. Any season ticket holders out there 
who are not going?
Many, many thanks Nick
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[LU] Reading Away Ticket help

[{broken-address} Nicholas Armit]

Is there anyone on the list who could help me out with tickets in the away end 
for me and my son coming over from the US for the Reading game on April 1st? 
Ian was helping me but he is in the last group that would qualify and I am 
worried all tickets may be gone by then. Any season ticket holders out there 
who are not going?
Many, many thanks Nick
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Re: [LU] Reading

[Nigel Sykes]

Logic dictates that a draw is the best result, since a point gets flushed
away from the total pot.

Pretty good set of results all around for us, so far today...

Nigel
(the Dublin one)

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Boocock
Sent: 25 February 2017 17:00
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Subject: [LU] Reading

So what would you prefer to happen to Reading? Nul un ou trois points? 

Betty

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[LU] Reading

[John Boocock]

So what would you prefer to happen to Reading? Nul un ou trois points? 

Betty

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Re: [LU] Reading

[Wiggy]

DRB wrote:

"Interesting that both Nick and Dave thought the game wasn't so good on 
Saturday, I really enjoyed it - whereas I've got a recollection that the last 
game I went to (Boro, nil nil) got pretty good reviews on here, but I thought 
that game dire :-) The vicissitudes of football supporting eh."

More to do with all the beer we supped pre match and from watching most of the 
second half in the Captain's lounge bar, I suspect... :-)

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Re: [LU] Reading

[nat...@sky.com]

I am in favour of keeping him on. He does talk to much and contradicts himself. 
I hate all the third person 'Steve Evans will ..." stuff and am sick of hearing 
how big a club we are: also I sometimes think he has watched a different game 
to me in his post match assessments. He has not kept his 'we will not win every 
game but we will always try and win it and entertain the fans' promise and he 
still does not know his best team or formation. Clearly then I do have some 
doubts BUT overall I think, given the circumstances he has done reasonably well 
- we are a decent team away from home. The players he has brought in have 
improved the team Bridcutt and Diagourara especially and he does have a decent 
record, so I would stick with him - give him a full season.
IF we sack him , who will come in and do any better ? Plus , unless you have 
pots of money to waste (Man City, Chelsea) the constant changes of manager just 
does not work - end up spending all your money on ex managers and players who 
the new boss does not play.
Finally re Reading - I did enjoy the game and thought we played some good stuff 
but the total lack of atmosphere coupled with the air of 'it really does not 
matter today' meant that it was decent but not the five goal thriller that it 
would be in a match that mattered. I no longer enjoy football for its artistic 
merit and watch virtually nothing on TV - not seen MOTD since we got relegated, 
do not watch any european football and fast forward the Championship football 
to just watch our game. I will on occasion press the red button on Sky to see 
highlights / goals of the game that is on or take a look at the scores but take 
away my Leeds stuff and I know very little and care even less about football 
(will still watch England on TV) I could not name even half the Leicester or 
Spurs teams. Doubt I could name eleven currant scum or Shitty players at 
present.I have not even watched the Cup Final or European final for years. 
I love going to Leeds (not just for the beer etc) and always listen on radio or 
watch us on TV for away games but I am emotionally invested in it, but as 
'entertainment football does very little for me
Dave

  From: "brendan_mcwilli...@hotmail.com" <brendan_mcwilli...@hotmail.com>
 To: leedslist@gn.apc.org 
 Sent: Monday, 18 April 2016, 14:17
 Subject: Re: [LU] Reading
   


Hi all,


Am I the only one who thinks Evans has done a reasonable job - given the 
constant pandemonium around the club - and that not continuing with him would 
be harsh?


He's very hard to listen to and they're not playing hoof ball


Tin hat on...


BMW





On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 4:17 AM -0700, "David Brennan" 
<d.r.bren...@leeds.ac.uk> wrote:





Interesting that both Nick and Dave thought the game wasn't so good on 
Saturday, I really enjoyed it - whereas I've got a recollection that the last 
game I went to (Boro, nil nil) got pretty good reviews on here, but I thought 
that game dire :-)  The vicissitudes of football supporting eh.

Regarding the 200 quid ST.  I'm not convinced that would lead to a full house. 
Quality football, married to some success, is what gets people in.  If match 
day tickets remain the same price, then perhaps a 200 quid ST would be 
attractive, as you'd only have to go maybe eight times (category dependant) to 
start saving money.  But I still don't think a lot of people would buy 
one/return, until we start doing better.
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On 18 April 2016 at 16:17,  wrote:

>
>
> Hi all,
>
>
> Am I the only one who thinks Evans has done a reasonable job - given the
> constant pandemonium around the club - and that not continuing with him
> would be harsh?
>
>
> He's very hard to listen to and they're not playing hoof ball
>
>
> Tin hat on...
>
>
> BMW
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 4:17 AM -0700, "David Brennan" <
> d.r.bren...@leeds.ac.uk> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> Interesting that both Nick and Dave thought the game wasn't so good on
> Saturday, I really enjoyed it - whereas I've got a recollection that the
> last game I went to (Boro, nil nil) got pretty good reviews on here, but I
> thought that game dire :-)  The vicissitudes of football supporting eh.
>
> Regarding the 200 quid ST.  I'm not convinced that would lead to a full
> house. Quality football, married to some success, is what gets people in.
> If match day tickets remain the same price, then perhaps a 200 quid ST
> would be attractive, as you'd only have to go maybe eight times (category
> dependant) to start saving money.  But I still don't think a lot of people
> would buy one/return, until we start doing better.
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Re: [LU] Reading

[brendan_mcwilliams]

Hi all,


Am I the only one who thinks Evans has done a reasonable job - given the 
constant pandemonium around the club - and that not continuing with him would 
be harsh?


He's very hard to listen to and they're not playing hoof ball


Tin hat on...


BMW





On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 4:17 AM -0700, "David Brennan" 
 wrote:





Interesting that both Nick and Dave thought the game wasn't so good on 
Saturday, I really enjoyed it - whereas I've got a recollection that the last 
game I went to (Boro, nil nil) got pretty good reviews on here, but I thought 
that game dire :-)  The vicissitudes of football supporting eh.

Regarding the 200 quid ST.  I'm not convinced that would lead to a full house. 
Quality football, married to some success, is what gets people in.  If match 
day tickets remain the same price, then perhaps a 200 quid ST would be 
attractive, as you'd only have to go maybe eight times (category dependant) to 
start saving money.  But I still don't think a lot of people would buy 
one/return, until we start doing better.
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Re: [LU] Reading

[David Brennan]

Interesting that both Nick and Dave thought the game wasn't so good on 
Saturday, I really enjoyed it - whereas I've got a recollection that the last 
game I went to (Boro, nil nil) got pretty good reviews on here, but I thought 
that game dire :-)  The vicissitudes of football supporting eh.

Regarding the 200 quid ST.  I'm not convinced that would lead to a full house. 
Quality football, married to some success, is what gets people in.  If match 
day tickets remain the same price, then perhaps a 200 quid ST would be 
attractive, as you'd only have to go maybe eight times (category dependant) to 
start saving money.  But I still don't think a lot of people would buy 
one/return, until we start doing better.  
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Re: [LU] Reading

[nat...@sky.com]

Got 9 seasons left on it !!Bargain of the century - 20 years of misery for a 
mere 3 granddave


  From: Damian Walsh <pussaydam...@gmail.com>
 To: Leeds List <leedslist@gn.apc.org> 
 Sent: Monday, 18 April 2016, 7:58
 Subject: Re: [LU] Reading
   
Hi Dave - I'm sure that it's subjective in that it feels like years and
years and years that we've been rubbish, but your 20year season ticket must
be well over half way finished by now?

Cheers, Damian

On Sun, Apr 17, 2016 at 2:04 PM, nat...@sky.com <nat...@sky.com> wrote:

> Lino definately had his flag pointing in our favour (not sure if for throw
> in or handball) which is why Wood went and berated him and then Murphy had
> a goHard to know how much of an excuse it was - play to whistle and all
> that, plus we had chances to clear it
> Agree 100% they were awful and kept giving the ball away.
> I have seen the Wood header on TV now (they did not seem to have the big
> screen working during the game) it did not hit the bar (as we both thought)
> he drifted in unmarked and headed the ball downwards it bounced very high
> but over the line and then the keeper dragged it back in the air - so he
> probably deserves some credit for the run and the header. He certianly has
> his critics, my mate has totally lost patience with him and spent all the
> time (before his goal) basically slagging him off and challenging the rest
> of us to defend Wood (which we could not do at that stage) I thought he
> took his second with some style but he totally fluffed his chance of a hat
> trick with a very wild shot.
> I think he will do OK for us if he gets much better service and a partner
> who gels with him (Antenucci / Wood is not a real partnership - just means
> we have two strikers playing independently) Not sure how much my 'belief'
> is based on evidence and how much on just wanting him (and every other
> Leeds player) to do well.
> Looking at a home and away table our home form has us 20th so it is clear
> where are problems lie
> I really hope the £200 ST price is true but I do not for a minute believe
> it (makes no odds to me with my 20yr ST but would be nice to have a full
> house every week)
> Dave
>
>
>      From: Nick <n...@6haroldplace.co.uk>
>  To: "nat...@sky.com" <nat...@sky.com>
> Cc: Leeds List <leedslist@gn.apc.org>
>  Sent: Sunday, 17 April 2016, 12:40
>  Subject: Re: [LU] Reading
>
> ...will "the Russians” be based in Panama/The British Virgin Islands?
>
> Pretty much agree with what you’ve said Dave…a non-event brightened only
> by 3 goals and 3 points. Reading were poor - lost count of how many
> opposition teams I’ve thought that about this year.
>
> Their equaliser to make it 2-2, seemed to me (and my seat looks down that
> touchline in front of the dug-outs) that what happened after a bit of a
> dust up sort of challenge, their fella caught the ball in mid-air, he was
> standing off the pitch but his hands were still in play, I didn’t see the
> ball cross the line, nor did I see the linesman’s flag - and then he took a
> throw in, which released their guy down the line, he crossed it…So, in
> short, I thought it looked like it never went out of play and shouldn’t
> have been a throw in.
>
> As for the “much maligned Wood” - he damn near missed his first one - a
> free header to a more or less open goal, he still hit the woodwork and had
> the keeper flapping at it. It obviously crossed the line before the keeper
> got his hand to it, but bloody hell… Now Diagouara’s header from Berardi’s
> cross, that was a finish.
>
> So Tuesday night will be my last bit of suffering this year, as I can’t
> make the Charlton game. A win would be nice.
>
> Nick
>
>
> > On 16 Apr 2016, at 19:21, nat...@sky.com wrote:
> >
> > This really had the feeling of an end of season non event. The small
> crowd (20K) never really found its voice and was subdued throughout. No
> doubt some media will have it as a 5 goal thriller but it was not really
> that to be honest
> > The loudest song was when the tannoy announced 'code red' code red' then
> followed with a 'ignore the last message'This brought chants of 'you don't
> know what you're doing' from the crowd
> > Brian McD got a couple of songs in his favour and the ref got a few
> against him after their equaliser , but apart from that the atmosphere was
> flat
> > We started OK and had a couple of goal mouth scrambles that could have
> resulted in own goals and then the best chance of the half fell to
> Antenucci who was on the edge of the box, clean through, but his shot was
> wayward to say the least. They had one opportunity when SIlvestri came out
> well and forced the striker to shoot wide.
> > Th

Re: [LU] Reading

[Damian Walsh]

Hi Dave - I'm sure that it's subjective in that it feels like years and
years and years that we've been rubbish, but your 20year season ticket must
be well over half way finished by now?

Cheers, Damian

On Sun, Apr 17, 2016 at 2:04 PM, nat...@sky.com <nat...@sky.com> wrote:

> Lino definately had his flag pointing in our favour (not sure if for throw
> in or handball) which is why Wood went and berated him and then Murphy had
> a goHard to know how much of an excuse it was - play to whistle and all
> that, plus we had chances to clear it
> Agree 100% they were awful and kept giving the ball away.
> I have seen the Wood header on TV now (they did not seem to have the big
> screen working during the game) it did not hit the bar (as we both thought)
> he drifted in unmarked and headed the ball downwards it bounced very high
> but over the line and then the keeper dragged it back in the air - so he
> probably deserves some credit for the run and the header. He certianly has
> his critics, my mate has totally lost patience with him and spent all the
> time (before his goal) basically slagging him off and challenging the rest
> of us to defend Wood (which we could not do at that stage) I thought he
> took his second with some style but he totally fluffed his chance of a hat
> trick with a very wild shot.
> I think he will do OK for us if he gets much better service and a partner
> who gels with him (Antenucci / Wood is not a real partnership - just means
> we have two strikers playing independently) Not sure how much my 'belief'
> is based on evidence and how much on just wanting him (and every other
> Leeds player) to do well.
> Looking at a home and away table our home form has us 20th so it is clear
> where are problems lie
> I really hope the £200 ST price is true but I do not for a minute believe
> it (makes no odds to me with my 20yr ST but would be nice to have a full
> house every week)
> Dave
>
>
>   From: Nick <n...@6haroldplace.co.uk>
>  To: "nat...@sky.com" <nat...@sky.com>
> Cc: Leeds List <leedslist@gn.apc.org>
>  Sent: Sunday, 17 April 2016, 12:40
>  Subject: Re: [LU] Reading
>
> ...will "the Russians” be based in Panama/The British Virgin Islands?
>
> Pretty much agree with what you’ve said Dave…a non-event brightened only
> by 3 goals and 3 points. Reading were poor - lost count of how many
> opposition teams I’ve thought that about this year.
>
> Their equaliser to make it 2-2, seemed to me (and my seat looks down that
> touchline in front of the dug-outs) that what happened after a bit of a
> dust up sort of challenge, their fella caught the ball in mid-air, he was
> standing off the pitch but his hands were still in play, I didn’t see the
> ball cross the line, nor did I see the linesman’s flag - and then he took a
> throw in, which released their guy down the line, he crossed it…So, in
> short, I thought it looked like it never went out of play and shouldn’t
> have been a throw in.
>
> As for the “much maligned Wood” - he damn near missed his first one - a
> free header to a more or less open goal, he still hit the woodwork and had
> the keeper flapping at it. It obviously crossed the line before the keeper
> got his hand to it, but bloody hell… Now Diagouara’s header from Berardi’s
> cross, that was a finish.
>
> So Tuesday night will be my last bit of suffering this year, as I can’t
> make the Charlton game. A win would be nice.
>
> Nick
>
>
> > On 16 Apr 2016, at 19:21, nat...@sky.com wrote:
> >
> > This really had the feeling of an end of season non event. The small
> crowd (20K) never really found its voice and was subdued throughout. No
> doubt some media will have it as a 5 goal thriller but it was not really
> that to be honest
> > The loudest song was when the tannoy announced 'code red' code red' then
> followed with a 'ignore the last message'This brought chants of 'you don't
> know what you're doing' from the crowd
> > Brian McD got a couple of songs in his favour and the ref got a few
> against him after their equaliser , but apart from that the atmosphere was
> flat
> > We started OK and had a couple of goal mouth scrambles that could have
> resulted in own goals and then the best chance of the half fell to
> Antenucci who was on the edge of the box, clean through, but his shot was
> wayward to say the least. They had one opportunity when SIlvestri came out
> well and forced the striker to shoot wide.
> > The game fizzled out then for a bit, we huffed and puffed as per usual,
> although Murphy was having one of his (rare) good games well supported by
> Diagourara
> > Then not long before half time, Bellusci needlessly fouled their lad by
> pushing him in the ba

Re: [LU] Reading

[nat...@sky.com]

Lino definately had his flag pointing in our favour (not sure if for throw in 
or handball) which is why Wood went and berated him and then Murphy had a 
goHard to know how much of an excuse it was - play to whistle and all that, 
plus we had chances to clear it
Agree 100% they were awful and kept giving the ball away.
I have seen the Wood header on TV now (they did not seem to have the big screen 
working during the game) it did not hit the bar (as we both thought) he drifted 
in unmarked and headed the ball downwards it bounced very high but over the 
line and then the keeper dragged it back in the air - so he probably deserves 
some credit for the run and the header. He certianly has his critics, my mate 
has totally lost patience with him and spent all the time (before his goal) 
basically slagging him off and challenging the rest of us to defend Wood (which 
we could not do at that stage) I thought he took his second with some style but 
he totally fluffed his chance of a hat trick with a very wild shot.
I think he will do OK for us if he gets much better service and a partner who 
gels with him (Antenucci / Wood is not a real partnership - just means we have 
two strikers playing independently) Not sure how much my 'belief' is based on 
evidence and how much on just wanting him (and every other Leeds player) to do 
well.
Looking at a home and away table our home form has us 20th so it is clear where 
are problems lie
I really hope the £200 ST price is true but I do not for a minute believe it 
(makes no odds to me with my 20yr ST but would be nice to have a full house 
every week)
Dave


  From: Nick <n...@6haroldplace.co.uk>
 To: "nat...@sky.com" <nat...@sky.com> 
Cc: Leeds List <leedslist@gn.apc.org>
 Sent: Sunday, 17 April 2016, 12:40
 Subject: Re: [LU] Reading
   
...will "the Russians” be based in Panama/The British Virgin Islands?

Pretty much agree with what you’ve said Dave…a non-event brightened only by 3 
goals and 3 points. Reading were poor - lost count of how many opposition teams 
I’ve thought that about this year.

Their equaliser to make it 2-2, seemed to me (and my seat looks down that 
touchline in front of the dug-outs) that what happened after a bit of a dust up 
sort of challenge, their fella caught the ball in mid-air, he was standing off 
the pitch but his hands were still in play, I didn’t see the ball cross the 
line, nor did I see the linesman’s flag - and then he took a throw in, which 
released their guy down the line, he crossed it…So, in short, I thought it 
looked like it never went out of play and shouldn’t have been a throw in.

As for the “much maligned Wood” - he damn near missed his first one - a free 
header to a more or less open goal, he still hit the woodwork and had the 
keeper flapping at it. It obviously crossed the line before the keeper got his 
hand to it, but bloody hell… Now Diagouara’s header from Berardi’s cross, that 
was a finish.

So Tuesday night will be my last bit of suffering this year, as I can’t make 
the Charlton game. A win would be nice.

Nick


> On 16 Apr 2016, at 19:21, nat...@sky.com wrote:
> 
> This really had the feeling of an end of season non event. The small crowd 
> (20K) never really found its voice and was subdued throughout. No doubt some 
> media will have it as a 5 goal thriller but it was not really that to be 
> honest
> The loudest song was when the tannoy announced 'code red' code red' then 
> followed with a 'ignore the last message'This brought chants of 'you don't 
> know what you're doing' from the crowd
> Brian McD got a couple of songs in his favour and the ref got a few against 
> him after their equaliser , but apart from that the atmosphere was flat
> We started OK and had a couple of goal mouth scrambles that could have 
> resulted in own goals and then the best chance of the half fell to Antenucci 
> who was on the edge of the box, clean through, but his shot was wayward to 
> say the least. They had one opportunity when SIlvestri came out well and 
> forced the striker to shoot wide.
> The game fizzled out then for a bit, we huffed and puffed as per usual, 
> although Murphy was having one of his (rare) good games well supported by 
> Diagourara
> Then not long before half time, Bellusci needlessly fouled their lad by 
> pushing him in the back and the free kick was sent to the far post where 
> their forward came on it unmarked and poked home
> Some boos at half time but mainly disinterest.
> Fairly soon after the start of the the 2nd half a great cross by Berardi (one 
> of quite a few he put in) was met by Diagourara and he headed home. Soon 
> after the much maligned Wood (or WoodS) as the tannoy called him - quitened 
> his critics (did not shut them up) when a cross from Taylor was headed home 
> via the bar and the keeper. Lino said it crossed the line and we were 2 1 up.
> Cu

Re: [LU] Reading - more

[Nick]

Other things…what was Reading’s kit all about?

The winner was scored after the Chalf tripped over his own laces…

Murphy had a good game…the Cooper/Taylor combo a left side defence was dreadful 
yesterday…

Just seen the goals from Tuesday, Dallas’s second was a cracker.


> On 17 Apr 2016, at 12:40, Nick  wrote:
> 
> ...will "the Russians” be based in Panama/The British Virgin Islands?
> 
> Pretty much agree with what you’ve said Dave…a non-event brightened only by 3 
> goals and 3 points. Reading were poor - lost count of how many opposition 
> teams I’ve thought that about this year.
> 
> Their equaliser to make it 2-2, seemed to me (and my seat looks down that 
> touchline in front of the dug-outs) that what happened after a bit of a dust 
> up sort of challenge, their fella caught the ball in mid-air, he was standing 
> off the pitch but his hands were still in play, I didn’t see the ball cross 
> the line, nor did I see the linesman’s flag - and then he took a throw in, 
> which released their guy down the line, he crossed it…So, in short, I thought 
> it looked like it never went out of play and shouldn’t have been a throw in.
> 
> As for the “much maligned Wood” - he damn near missed his first one - a free 
> header to a more or less open goal, he still hit the woodwork and had the 
> keeper flapping at it. It obviously crossed the line before the keeper got 
> his hand to it, but bloody hell… Now Diagouara’s header from Berardi’s cross, 
> that was a finish.
> 
> So Tuesday night will be my last bit of suffering this year, as I can’t make 
> the Charlton game. A win would be nice.
> 
> Nick
> 
> 
>> On 16 Apr 2016, at 19:21, nat...@sky.com wrote:
>> 
>> This really had the feeling of an end of season non event. The small crowd 
>> (20K) never really found its voice and was subdued throughout. No doubt some 
>> media will have it as a 5 goal thriller but it was not really that to be 
>> honest
>> The loudest song was when the tannoy announced 'code red' code red' then 
>> followed with a 'ignore the last message'This brought chants of 'you don't 
>> know what you're doing' from the crowd
>> Brian McD got a couple of songs in his favour and the ref got a few against 
>> him after their equaliser , but apart from that the atmosphere was flat
>> We started OK and had a couple of goal mouth scrambles that could have 
>> resulted in own goals and then the best chance of the half fell to Antenucci 
>> who was on the edge of the box, clean through, but his shot was wayward to 
>> say the least. They had one opportunity when SIlvestri came out well and 
>> forced the striker to shoot wide.
>> The game fizzled out then for a bit, we huffed and puffed as per usual, 
>> although Murphy was having one of his (rare) good games well supported by 
>> Diagourara
>> Then not long before half time, Bellusci needlessly fouled their lad by 
>> pushing him in the back and the free kick was sent to the far post where 
>> their forward came on it unmarked and poked home
>> Some boos at half time but mainly disinterest.
>> Fairly soon after the start of the the 2nd half a great cross by Berardi 
>> (one of quite a few he put in) was met by Diagourara and he headed home. 
>> Soon after the much maligned Wood (or WoodS) as the tannoy called him - 
>> quitened his critics (did not shut them up) when a cross from Taylor was 
>> headed home via the bar and the keeper. Lino said it crossed the line and we 
>> were 2 1 up.
>> Cue - stop playing and let them back in- a great save by his feet by 
>> Silvestri and the crossbar almost kept them at bay but then a handball and 
>> throw in was flagged as being to us by the lino - ref without consultation 
>> gave it to them and whilst we argued and moaned they had a shot blocked but 
>> scored with the rebound. 2 2
>> Erwin and Phillips came on and we got back into it, then Wood harrassed the 
>> defender , took the ball off him, and went towards goal and slotted home 
>> with some style. Enough to silence the critics ? who knows ?
>> We managed this time to hang on for the rest of the game and the added 5 
>> minutes -so a 5th (?) home victory of the season, our first 3 goaler at home 
>> in the league and mathematical safety - so not a bad afternoon really
>> Two (totally unsubstantiated rumours01. The Russians are taking over and 
>> 2Season tickets will be £200 next season and we expect to sell around 30,000 
>> !! I would love this to be true but the person who told it to me was not 
>> sure where he had heard it !!
>> Make of either / both what you will
>> So only 2 games to go at ER before another forgettable season draws to an end
>> Dave
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[Nick]

...will "the Russians” be based in Panama/The British Virgin Islands?

Pretty much agree with what you’ve said Dave…a non-event brightened only by 3 
goals and 3 points. Reading were poor - lost count of how many opposition teams 
I’ve thought that about this year.

Their equaliser to make it 2-2, seemed to me (and my seat looks down that 
touchline in front of the dug-outs) that what happened after a bit of a dust up 
sort of challenge, their fella caught the ball in mid-air, he was standing off 
the pitch but his hands were still in play, I didn’t see the ball cross the 
line, nor did I see the linesman’s flag - and then he took a throw in, which 
released their guy down the line, he crossed it…So, in short, I thought it 
looked like it never went out of play and shouldn’t have been a throw in.

As for the “much maligned Wood” - he damn near missed his first one - a free 
header to a more or less open goal, he still hit the woodwork and had the 
keeper flapping at it. It obviously crossed the line before the keeper got his 
hand to it, but bloody hell… Now Diagouara’s header from Berardi’s cross, that 
was a finish.

So Tuesday night will be my last bit of suffering this year, as I can’t make 
the Charlton game. A win would be nice.

Nick


> On 16 Apr 2016, at 19:21, nat...@sky.com wrote:
> 
> This really had the feeling of an end of season non event. The small crowd 
> (20K) never really found its voice and was subdued throughout. No doubt some 
> media will have it as a 5 goal thriller but it was not really that to be 
> honest
> The loudest song was when the tannoy announced 'code red' code red' then 
> followed with a 'ignore the last message'This brought chants of 'you don't 
> know what you're doing' from the crowd
> Brian McD got a couple of songs in his favour and the ref got a few against 
> him after their equaliser , but apart from that the atmosphere was flat
> We started OK and had a couple of goal mouth scrambles that could have 
> resulted in own goals and then the best chance of the half fell to Antenucci 
> who was on the edge of the box, clean through, but his shot was wayward to 
> say the least. They had one opportunity when SIlvestri came out well and 
> forced the striker to shoot wide.
> The game fizzled out then for a bit, we huffed and puffed as per usual, 
> although Murphy was having one of his (rare) good games well supported by 
> Diagourara
> Then not long before half time, Bellusci needlessly fouled their lad by 
> pushing him in the back and the free kick was sent to the far post where 
> their forward came on it unmarked and poked home
> Some boos at half time but mainly disinterest.
> Fairly soon after the start of the the 2nd half a great cross by Berardi (one 
> of quite a few he put in) was met by Diagourara and he headed home. Soon 
> after the much maligned Wood (or WoodS) as the tannoy called him - quitened 
> his critics (did not shut them up) when a cross from Taylor was headed home 
> via the bar and the keeper. Lino said it crossed the line and we were 2 1 up.
> Cue - stop playing and let them back in- a great save by his feet by 
> Silvestri and the crossbar almost kept them at bay but then a handball and 
> throw in was flagged as being to us by the lino - ref without consultation 
> gave it to them and whilst we argued and moaned they had a shot blocked but 
> scored with the rebound. 2 2
> Erwin and Phillips came on and we got back into it, then Wood harrassed the 
> defender , took the ball off him, and went towards goal and slotted home with 
> some style. Enough to silence the critics ? who knows ?
> We managed this time to hang on for the rest of the game and the added 5 
> minutes -so a 5th (?) home victory of the season, our first 3 goaler at home 
> in the league and mathematical safety - so not a bad afternoon really
> Two (totally unsubstantiated rumours01. The Russians are taking over and 
> 2Season tickets will be £200 next season and we expect to sell around 30,000 
> !! I would love this to be true but the person who told it to me was not sure 
> where he had heard it !!
> Make of either / both what you will
> So only 2 games to go at ER before another forgettable season draws to an end
> Dave
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[LU] Reading

[nat...@sky.com]

This really had the feeling of an end of season non event. The small crowd 
(20K) never really found its voice and was subdued throughout. No doubt some 
media will have it as a 5 goal thriller but it was not really that to be honest
The loudest song was when the tannoy announced 'code red' code red' then 
followed with a 'ignore the last message'This brought chants of 'you don't know 
what you're doing' from the crowd
Brian McD got a couple of songs in his favour and the ref got a few against him 
after their equaliser , but apart from that the atmosphere was flat
We started OK and had a couple of goal mouth scrambles that could have resulted 
in own goals and then the best chance of the half fell to Antenucci who was on 
the edge of the box, clean through, but his shot was wayward to say the least. 
They had one opportunity when SIlvestri came out well and forced the striker to 
shoot wide.
The game fizzled out then for a bit, we huffed and puffed as per usual, 
although Murphy was having one of his (rare) good games well supported by 
Diagourara
Then not long before half time, Bellusci needlessly fouled their lad by pushing 
him in the back and the free kick was sent to the far post where their forward 
came on it unmarked and poked home
Some boos at half time but mainly disinterest.
Fairly soon after the start of the the 2nd half a great cross by Berardi (one 
of quite a few he put in) was met by Diagourara and he headed home. Soon after 
the much maligned Wood (or WoodS) as the tannoy called him - quitened his 
critics (did not shut them up) when a cross from Taylor was headed home via the 
bar and the keeper. Lino said it crossed the line and we were 2 1 up.
Cue - stop playing and let them back in- a great save by his feet by Silvestri 
and the crossbar almost kept them at bay but then a handball and throw in was 
flagged as being to us by the lino - ref without consultation gave it to them 
and whilst we argued and moaned they had a shot blocked but scored with the 
rebound. 2 2
Erwin and Phillips came on and we got back into it, then Wood harrassed the 
defender , took the ball off him, and went towards goal and slotted home with 
some style. Enough to silence the critics ? who knows ?
We managed this time to hang on for the rest of the game and the added 5 
minutes -so a 5th (?) home victory of the season, our first 3 goaler at home in 
the league and mathematical safety - so not a bad afternoon really
Two (totally unsubstantiated rumours01. The Russians are taking over and 
2Season tickets will be £200 next season and we expect to sell around 30,000 !! 
I would love this to be true but the person who told it to me was not sure 
where he had heard it !!
Make of either / both what you will
So only 2 games to go at ER before another forgettable season draws to an end
Dave
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Re: [LU] Reading

[Matt Anderson]

Accent shouldn't be a problem, Leeds are the biggest team in Doncaster anyway! 

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On 18 Aug 2015, at 11:18, David Brennan d.r.bren...@leeds.ac.uk wrote:

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 Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2015 12:38:34 +0100 (BST)
 From: n...@6haroldplace.co.uk n...@6haroldplace.co.uk
 To: MATTHEW GAYNOR matthew.gayn...@btopenworld.com,
 Subject: Re: [LU] Reading
 
 
 thanks Matt - the level of disinterest/lack of comment on our 1st 3 games of
 the season has had me wondering if I'm going to wander out of the shower
 any minute...
 
 I even went to the Doncaster game Nick, but couldn't summon enough enthusiasm 
 to send a message to the list.  Mind you, in my defence, most of you will 
 have seen that game on the telly anyway.
 
 Could you hear the Donny Drummer on the telly?  There were some funky rydims 
 coming out of the Donny end that I enjoyed tapping my foot to as I sat with 
 my Donny supporting mate in their stand. Not quite Ray Barretto but enjoyable 
 nonetheless, and more entertaining than the footie half the time!
 
 Sitting in with the home fans, as anyone who's done it will know, is not fun. 
 Not too bad accent-wise for me, there's not a heap of difference between the 
 Leeds and Doncaster timbre, it wasn't obvious that I was an alien and 
 therefore in danger of ejection or violence, rather that listening to the 
 vitriolic anti Leeds rubbish does start to grate after a while.  Probably 
 nothing worse than you'd hear in the kop at ER directed at the opposition, 
 but you don't want to hear it close up.
 
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Re: [LU] Reading

[bruvvaleeluv]

Oddly enough, and I'm not prone to bouts of optimism, I think this will a 
season which sees us become contenders again. Whilst 2 points doesn't install 
us as any sort of favourites, I'm hoping we've become a more serious 
proposition?

Prepare for the drubbing in our next game!

John

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 On 17 Aug 2015, at 12:38, n...@6haroldplace.co.uk n...@6haroldplace.co.uk 
 wrote:
 
 
 thanks Matt - the level of disinterest/lack of comment on our 1st 3 games of 
 the
 season has had me wondering if I'm going to wander out of the shower any
 minute...
 
 
 On 17 August 2015 at 11:00 MATTHEW GAYNOR matthew.gayn...@btopenworld.com
 wrote:
 
 
 To elaborate a bit more.
 The 3 highlights of the day were;
 1) The taxi to the ground diverting through a hotel and wedding.
 2) A bizarre rambling speech / song from an elderly Thai women on the pitch
 before KO - predictably drowned out by the Leeds fans. We later found out 
 that
 she was a co-owner 'blessing' the ground.3) The subtitles thing on the tele 
 in
 the pub after the game changing Djokovic to Jock Itch.
 Between 2) and 3) very little happened.
 We actually had a decent first 10 minutes, some crisp passing with Wood
 holding ball up well and giving half-chances on the edge of the box to Mowatt
 and Dallas, though Bamba slightly lucky to escape with a yellow early doors.
 
 After that basically nothing happened.  Wood was too isolated again and we
 offered little attacking threat, Reading even less. We basically played 
 4-2-3-
 1 with Phillips deep with Adeyemi and Mowatt behind Wood.
 At no point did i think anyone was likely to score.
 ScoresSilvestri - 6 - BoredBerardi - 8 - Looks likely probably our best
 playerTaylor 6 - Quiet / AnonymousCooper 7 - Pretty goodBamba 6 - The odd
 aberationAdeyimi 7 - Looks pretty solidPhillips 6 - Need and tidy but tended
 to shuffle the ball on rather than look to do anything hmselfMowatt 5 - 
 Looked
 a bit lost - never really got upto WoodDallas 6 - Quiet, tracked back
 wellByram 5 - Poor, kept losing the ballWood 6 - Got a bit of stick, but cant
 really do it on his own.
 Antenucci and Murphy came on - nothing really changed.
 
 Matt
 From: Matt matthew.gayn...@btopenworld.com
 To: Richard walker richleed...@yahoo.co.uk
 Cc: Leeds List leedslist@gn.apc.org
 Sent: Sunday, 16 August 2015, 17:45
 Subject: Re: [LU] video links
 
 Wasn't that good.
 
 Matt
 
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 Sounds terrible on RL.
 
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[LU] Reading

[MATTHEW GAYNOR]

To elaborate a bit more.
The 3 highlights of the day were;
1) The taxi to the ground diverting through a hotel and wedding.
2) A bizarre rambling speech / song from an elderly Thai women on the pitch 
before KO - predictably drowned out by the Leeds fans. We later found out that 
she was a co-owner 'blessing' the ground.3) The subtitles thing on the tele in 
the pub after the game changing Djokovic to Jock Itch.
Between 2) and 3) very little happened.
We actually had a decent first 10 minutes, some crisp passing with Wood holding 
ball up well and giving half-chances on the edge of the box to Mowatt and 
Dallas, though Bamba slightly lucky to escape with a yellow early doors.

After that basically nothing happened.  Wood was too isolated again and we 
offered little attacking threat, Reading even less. We basically played 4-2-3- 
1 with Phillips deep with Adeyemi and Mowatt behind Wood.
At no point did i think anyone was likely to score.
ScoresSilvestri - 6 - BoredBerardi - 8 - Looks likely probably our best 
playerTaylor 6 - Quiet / AnonymousCooper 7 - Pretty goodBamba 6 - The odd 
aberationAdeyimi 7 - Looks pretty solidPhillips 6 - Need and tidy but tended to 
shuffle the ball on rather than look to do anything hmselfMowatt 5 - Looked a 
bit lost - never really got upto WoodDallas 6 - Quiet, tracked back wellByram 5 
- Poor, kept losing the ballWood 6 - Got a bit of stick, but cant really do it 
on his own.
Antenucci and Murphy came on - nothing really changed.

Matt
  From: Matt matthew.gayn...@btopenworld.com
 To: Richard walker richleed...@yahoo.co.uk 
Cc: Leeds List leedslist@gn.apc.org 
 Sent: Sunday, 16 August 2015, 17:45
 Subject: Re: [LU] video links
   
Wasn't that good. 

Matt

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 Sounds terrible on RL. 
 
 
  
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Re: [LU] Reading

[n...@6haroldplace.co.uk]

 
thanks Matt - the level of disinterest/lack of comment on our 1st 3 games of the
season has had me wondering if I'm going to wander out of the shower any
minute...
 

 On 17 August 2015 at 11:00 MATTHEW GAYNOR matthew.gayn...@btopenworld.com
 wrote:


 To elaborate a bit more.
 The 3 highlights of the day were;
 1) The taxi to the ground diverting through a hotel and wedding.
 2) A bizarre rambling speech / song from an elderly Thai women on the pitch
 before KO - predictably drowned out by the Leeds fans. We later found out that
 she was a co-owner 'blessing' the ground.3) The subtitles thing on the tele in
 the pub after the game changing Djokovic to Jock Itch.
 Between 2) and 3) very little happened.
 We actually had a decent first 10 minutes, some crisp passing with Wood
 holding ball up well and giving half-chances on the edge of the box to Mowatt
 and Dallas, though Bamba slightly lucky to escape with a yellow early doors.

 After that basically nothing happened.  Wood was too isolated again and we
 offered little attacking threat, Reading even less. We basically played 4-2-3-
 1 with Phillips deep with Adeyemi and Mowatt behind Wood.
 At no point did i think anyone was likely to score.
 ScoresSilvestri - 6 - BoredBerardi - 8 - Looks likely probably our best
 playerTaylor 6 - Quiet / AnonymousCooper 7 - Pretty goodBamba 6 - The odd
 aberationAdeyimi 7 - Looks pretty solidPhillips 6 - Need and tidy but tended
 to shuffle the ball on rather than look to do anything hmselfMowatt 5 - Looked
 a bit lost - never really got upto WoodDallas 6 - Quiet, tracked back
 wellByram 5 - Poor, kept losing the ballWood 6 - Got a bit of stick, but cant
 really do it on his own.
 Antenucci and Murphy came on - nothing really changed.

 Matt
 From: Matt matthew.gayn...@btopenworld.com
 To: Richard walker richleed...@yahoo.co.uk
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 Sent: Sunday, 16 August 2015, 17:45
 Subject: Re: [LU] video links

 Wasn't that good.

 Matt

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  Sounds terrible on RL.
 
 

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Re: [LU] Reading

[nat...@sky.com]

Really need to hang on and win. This and a win v millwall and things look a lot 
better. As it stands we are up to 18th and 5 points ahead of relegation... but 
it can all change in next 20mins both at Reading and elsewhereDave
  From: Brendan Osborne bosborn...@hotmail.com
 To: Matt matthew.gayn...@btopenworld.com; Leeds List leedslist@gn.apc.org 
 Sent: Tuesday, 10 February 2015, 21:23
 Subject: Re: [LU] Reading
   
GOAL Luke Murphy from 25 yards!!
 
Get in!!
 
 
MOT
 
 From: matthew.gayn...@btopenworld.com
 Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 20:41:22 +
 To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
 Subject: [LU] Reading
 
 Struggling to remember a worst half of football.  And I've seen the Lards. 
 
 Matt
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Re: [LU] Reading

[Brendan Osborne]

GOAL Luke Murphy from 25 yards!!
 
Get in!!
 
 
MOT
 
 From: matthew.gayn...@btopenworld.com
 Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 20:41:22 +
 To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
 Subject: [LU] Reading
 
 Struggling to remember a worst half of football.  And I've seen the Lards. 
 
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[LU] Reading

[Matt]

Struggling to remember a worst half of football.  And I've seen the Lards. 

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[LU] Reading

[nat...@sky.com]

Well this will be short (for a change) I went to the game hoping to experience 
the euphoria and excitement that I missed v Hudds but worried that it may be 
another Brentford, especially when I recalled Reading hammering us at ER last 
time and read that they have a great record against us
I was amazed to find that Warnock - who is having by far his best period for 
us- was dropped for Cooper, less surprising was the recall for Sloth but a 
surprise that it was Austin who made way.
It took us till the 84 minute to have shot on target when Sharp made room for 
himself, turned and fired in a shot that went right to the keeper. Apart from 
Silverstri tipping a long shot over the bar early on and getting down low to a 
shot at his near post I don't recall any real shots on target from them either. 
This had 0 0 or at best 1 0 written over it from the start. Our stats on BBC 
show 16 shots,only 1 on target, they had 13 off and 4 on. I do remember Mowatt 
and Austin both hitting one well over the bar, and Bellusci trying to recreate 
his Bournemouth free kick but putting it into the second tier of the South 
Stand. For all the lack of real goal mouth action it was not that bad a game - 
I have seen much worse nil nils. We did try and pass and move and tried to have 
possession with purpose BUT we gave the ball away far too often. Nothing worked 
for Doukara and although Antenucci tried hard he got no real service. Cooper 
looked a bit dodgy at times
 - looking like what he is , a centre back playing out of position, and they 
did try and target him, but he stuck to his task and looks like he will be a 
good asset for us (at centre back) and we did restrict them to long range 
efforts and looked pretty solid at the back. Silverstri again making Cellinos 
claims that he will be our best keeper ever seem a possibility, he looks very 
assured. We did let them get the better of the second half as Cook and Mowatt 
seemed to tire a bit and Murphy came on to no real effect. Cook does look a 
real player but he gave the ball away and seemed much too casual much too 
often. Bianchi, Sloth and Mowatt all had mixed games with some good stuff and 
some wayward passing.
A point at home is not really good enough but we are very much a work in 
progress and a clean sheet against a supposedly potent Reading attack is good. 
We have plenty that needs sorting but also plenty to build on and I went home 
reasonably happy with things. 
A win on Saturday and last night will be consigned to history. We all know this 
is an odd Division - look at the results last night - Hudds winning away at 
Wolves and Fulham hitting four. Any team that can put  a few results together 
can zoom up the league, and after 10 games despite doing so poorly we sacked a 
manager (coach)  we are only 6 points from the top ! (a win last night would of 
course have cut this to 4 pts)

Dave
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Re: [LU] Reading

[Phill Shields]

Dave,

I thought we were very poor last night and if our new coach is looking to make 
his mark on our team I was not impressed by the tactics or team selection. No 
purpose, no penetration and a safety first approach.

Several players had mares last night, how he let Sloth stay on the pitch is 
beyond me and the lad Cook just couldn't do anything right. The harder he tried 
the worse he got poor kid. He left him on far too long.

Playing Cooper instead of Warnock was a potty decision and I thought he looked 
totally out of place and a real weak spot for us.

Redders rightly cold shouldered Murphy and yet Darko has included him the squad 
twice and brought him on both games. He made no impact when he came on last 
night and I cannot see how he is getting on a game in front of other new kids 
ek Adryano. He needs teaching a lesson after what he did at Bradford.

I was thoroughly pissed off last night and his post match interview didn't 
help. Yet again he went on about how good our opponents were, they are as good 
as your team let them be Darko.

They totally bossed the 2ns half and, no Darko, they weren't playing for a 
draw. One manager was making changes to try and get a win last night and it 
wasn't you mate.

I fear the worst for Saturday.


MOT



 Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2014 10:30:29 +0100
 From: nat...@sky.com
 To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
 Subject: [LU] Reading
 
 Well this will be short (for a change) I went to the game hoping to 
 experience the euphoria and excitement that I missed v Hudds but worried that 
 it may be another Brentford, especially when I recalled Reading hammering us 
 at ER last time and read that they have a great record against us
 I was amazed to find that Warnock - who is having by far his best period for 
 us- was dropped for Cooper, less surprising was the recall for Sloth but a 
 surprise that it was Austin who made way.
 It took us till the 84 minute to have shot on target when Sharp made room for 
 himself, turned and fired in a shot that went right to the keeper. Apart from 
 Silverstri tipping a long shot over the bar early on and getting down low to 
 a shot at his near post I don't recall any real shots on target from them 
 either. This had 0 0 or at best 1 0 written over it from the start. Our stats 
 on BBC show 16 shots,only 1 on target, they had 13 off and 4 on. I do 
 remember Mowatt and Austin both hitting one well over the bar, and Bellusci 
 trying to recreate his Bournemouth free kick but putting it into the second 
 tier of the South Stand. For all the lack of real goal mouth action it was 
 not that bad a game - I have seen much worse nil nils. We did try and pass 
 and move and tried to have possession with purpose BUT we gave the ball away 
 far too often. Nothing worked for Doukara and although Antenucci tried hard 
 he got no real service. Cooper looked a bit dodgy at times
  - looking like what he is , a centre back playing out of position, and they 
 did try and target him, but he stuck to his task and looks like he will be a 
 good asset for us (at centre back) and we did restrict them to long range 
 efforts and looked pretty solid at the back. Silverstri again making Cellinos 
 claims that he will be our best keeper ever seem a possibility, he looks very 
 assured. We did let them get the better of the second half as Cook and Mowatt 
 seemed to tire a bit and Murphy came on to no real effect. Cook does look a 
 real player but he gave the ball away and seemed much too casual much too 
 often. Bianchi, Sloth and Mowatt all had mixed games with some good stuff and 
 some wayward passing.
 A point at home is not really good enough but we are very much a work in 
 progress and a clean sheet against a supposedly potent Reading attack is 
 good. We have plenty that needs sorting but also plenty to build on and I 
 went home reasonably happy with things. 
 A win on Saturday and last night will be consigned to history. We all know 
 this is an odd Division - look at the results last night - Hudds winning away 
 at Wolves and Fulham hitting four. Any team that can put  a few results 
 together can zoom up the league, and after 10 games despite doing so poorly 
 we sacked a manager (coach)  we are only 6 points from the top ! (a win last 
 night would of course have cut this to 4 pts)
 
 Dave
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Re: [LU] Reading, or, once more into the breach...

[david bromley]

I think that report ties in with my own views. In particular the lack of any 
show of leadership from the manager or captain as the goals were going in. 
Nobody dishing out bollockings/encouragement/changing the approach to plug 
the gaps. What seemed to finally motivate the players on Tuesday was the 
abusive chanting from the crowd “we’re sh9t and we’re sick of it”. Plus the 
arrival of Smith.


McCormack and Wickham  never looked like scoring against Bolton. They may 
have shown their ball skills and done a spot of interpassing but too far 
away from goal to worry the Bolton defence. Enter Smith and it’s a different 
game-suddenly their defence is unsettled, we start getting chances and the 
team is lifted. Fast forward to Tuesday and have we learnt from this? No. 
Smith’s back on the bench and McCormack and Wickham are in the Reading 
defenders’ pockets. Was it Einstein who defined madness as doing the same 
thing and expecting a different result? Again when the game’s lost Smith 
comes on and we are transformed. I don’t think our front two had won a 
single ball in the air –all the hopeful punts forward from our defence 
simply ended up giving the ball back to Reading. After Smith came on we won 
most of the headers, they started panicking and our players and crowd were 
lifted.


I wonder if we watch and have dossiers on other teams, and pick our  players 
to suit. Bolton have some experienced players and a big centre forward. So 
against this we start with a central defence comprising a 20 year old 
goalkeeper who’s played twice for us,  22 year old Wootton who’s only played 
a handful of games (and looked shaky in those) and 23 year old Tom Lees who’s 
not exactly dominating in the air. They’ve never played together before and 
it showed. A disaster waiting to happen. Who had the role of “marshalling 
the defence?” It needed Peltier in the centre instead of Wootton , with 
Byram at right back. If Smith had been on from the start his height would 
have helped defending the set pieces and negating the effect of their big 
centre forward. Reading didn’t have any big forwards-but they were very 
nippy. So against them we bring in Pearce and Zaliukas who can both be 
described as approaching “lumbering”. We had effectively a five man back row 
at the cost of thinning the midfield-and no midfielders on the bench. So 
Reading ping the ball over our lumbering defence for their fast forwards to 
run onto.


McDermott's spent the past year saying all the correct things to get the 
fans behind him. And now he's blaming uncertainty re the takeover. But he's 
brought Hunt, Kebe, Stewart, Wootton, Zaliukas, and Ariyibi to the club all 
of whom are draining the payroll for no benefit. Last season Byram and Green 
worked well down the right but Green's clearly been told to clear off by 
McDermott only to be snapped up straight away by Mick McCarthy who can 
recognise a decent player and has done a great job at Ipswich.


Rant over. Back to Lurkdom


-Original Message- 
From: Nick

Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 8:16 AM
To: leeds list
Cc: Nick Allen
Subject: [LU] Reading, or, once more into the breach...

So back to the Fortress again last night.



Pretty much mirrored the Bolton first half – Reading were a faster, and more 
slick bunch than Bolton (and than Leeds), but the howler between birthday 
boy Butland and Pearce that handed them their first goal, aside there wasn’t 
much indication of the likely events of the second half. It was fairly 
mundane stuff a bit more zip from Reading, faster into the tackle, but not 
causing us to be overly concerned. Our lot were shaky at first before 
seeming to settle into the game a little…and a bit of confidence began to 
come back. And then we broke out our Keystone Cops routine again. 0-1 down, 
from nowhere, and everything falls apart.




Suddenly Reading are at everything…snapping tackles, whipping the ball 
about, leaving our lot chasing shadows. And when we do get the ball, we 
rarely find another man to pass to. (Except Lees who can pick out some bloke 
in the West stand unerringly – probably his dad)




We made it to half time with no more damage done…but what on earth do the 
manager and coaches say to the players at half time – for the second game 
running we fold like a paper house in the rain and within minutes we’re 0-4 
down. Nothing short of shambolic. I don’t see a leader on the pitch or the 
touch line who is bollocking – cajoling – organinsing (and this is my 
problem with forwards as captains – they’re not at the heart of it…).




I thought we were playing some form of 3-5-2…others thought it more 5-3-2 
(which would a be a shameful line up at home)…but it doesn’t matter if 
people don’t pick up runners, mark their man, track back, get in where it 
hurts…because as Reading showed, they will waltz through and bang the ball 
home.




So 0-4 after 52 minutes…that was enough for many (the old guy behind me who 
can remember seeing John Charles

[LU] Reading report

[nat...@sky.com]

Well what a night - incredible - the scoreline does not do this topsy turvy 
game justice.
As the team was announced fans were happy to see the back of Kebe, Stewart, 
Peltier and Warnock and welcomed back Pugh, Marius Pearce and Byram. They were 
less impressed with the realisation that we were going 5 at the back but to be 
fair we had had some success with that earlier in the season. So the game 
kicked off (30mins late) and the crowd put aside the disgust they felt from 
Saturday and got behind the team. The team largely responded and were snapping 
into tackles and closing them down. Rudy pulled a shot wide and then Wickham 
had a decent shot that was easily saved and then it all changed. A poor 
backpass led to Pearce and Butland both waving their hands and leaving the ball 
to the other letting a Reading player sneak in and walked it into an empty net. 
The players confidence disappeared as the ball crossed the line and the 
patience of the crowd snapped. Suddenly Reading were first to every ball and 
our challenges were weak and ineffective,
 players forgot how to do the simple things and Tom Lees became the butt of the 
fans ire as 3 times his passes went into touch or to an opponent when under no 
pressure. On the stroke of half time it was nearly game over as their foward 
got the ball in the six yard box under no pressure but took too long and 
Butland smothered the shot. Halt time was met by a few boos.
Then came the incredible second half - within  a minute they got a free kick on 
the edge of the box and put it in the top corner. As our players trooped back 
to the re-start we could see all fight had gone out of them , the lad in front 
of me nearly had a heart attack laying into them for their lack of emotion. So 
it was no suprrise that within 5 minutes they cut us open twice more and the 
scoreboard read 0 4 . That was enough for some fans and at least 20 from the 
bottom of the Kop left the ground. The rest of us stood in stunned silence and 
then the vitriol started we're shit and we're sick of it what the f is going 
on and even worse you're not fit to wear the shirt. The fans having vented 
their spleen chose sarcasm instead of venom and began to 'Ole' ever Leeds pass 
- this showed them up even more as it went ole ole oh dear, ole ole oh dear as 
we could not string more than 2 passes together. A weak shot from Murphy 
brought huge cheers and
 pretend goal celebrations as we took the piss even more. Then a miracle 
happened in the shape of Matt Smith. He lumbered on as Marius was jeered off. 
Within a minute a long cross was bundled home by 'Freak Boy' - he might not 
look elegant but he knows where the goals are. The crowd cheered, then seconds 
later Rudy ran through and unleashed one of his thunderbolts - amazingly 
instead of it hitting Row Z it hit the back of the net 2 4. We could'nt , could 
we. The crowd got behind the team as only Leeds fans can and the players 
responded in kind. Rudy turned into Rudy the Beast as he was everywhere with 
crunching tackles and long passes. Smith was unplayable in the air and these 2 
rubbed off on the rest as Reading were like rabbits in the headlights in front 
of a baying mob.It was real gung-ho go for it stuff, not the prettiest but 
effective. We even managed with Byram and Mowatt to play some football but 
mainly it was hit it to the big lad. It was always
 too big an ask but we could have done it, a cross came in that Smith missed by 
inches, then his header glanced the post and later a shot hit the defender and 
bounced at 100mph into Ross, on another day it would have ricocheted in, this 
time it went wide. We peppered them with shots and for about 10minutes we 
genuinely thought we would get a draw at the very least. OK on the odd occasion 
they broke it was scary and would have ended our resistance but it was 
enthralling and exhilarating stuff. As the clock wind down we realised that the 
impossible come back was just that impossible but it had been great while it 
lasted. Why o why could we not have played with that effort and tempo at 0 0 or 
for the rest of the season ?
At 0 4 and all expecting 0 7 Brian was out of a job, will that 20mins have 
saved him (or at least delayed what looks inevitable) who knows but it was a 
great 20mins - very similar to the Liverpool 4 5 game when we were also 4 down 
and Chapman got a hat-trick and another wrongly denied - I have said before 
that Smith is the new sub standard Chappy  and last night proved it Chappy got 
3, Smithy only 1.
It was almost a pleasure to be there BUT at the end of the day we lost 2 4 and 
have conceded 9 in two home games we expected to win, so despite the fun of 
last night it was only when it was all over that we did anything and even then 
we only papered over the cracks. We are a very poor side, can the players take 
anything from that 20mins into the game on Saturday who knows, we had similar 
bright moments v Watford (again when it was almost game over) and 

[LU] Reading, or, once more into the breach...

[Nick]

So back to the Fortress again last night.

 

Pretty much mirrored the Bolton first half – Reading were a faster, and more 
slick bunch than Bolton (and than Leeds), but the howler between birthday boy 
Butland and Pearce that handed them their first goal, aside there wasn’t much 
indication of the likely events of the second half. It was fairly mundane stuff 
a bit more zip from Reading, faster into the tackle, but not causing us to be 
overly concerned. Our lot were shaky at first before seeming to settle into the 
game a little…and a bit of confidence began to come back. And then we broke out 
our Keystone Cops routine again. 0-1 down, from nowhere, and everything falls 
apart.

 

Suddenly Reading are at everything…snapping tackles, whipping the ball about, 
leaving our lot chasing shadows. And when we do get the ball, we rarely find 
another man to pass to. (Except Lees who can pick out some bloke in the West 
stand unerringly – probably his dad)

 

We made it to half time with no more damage done…but what on earth do the 
manager and coaches say to the players at half time – for the second game 
running we fold like a paper house in the rain and within minutes we’re 0-4 
down. Nothing short of shambolic. I don’t see a leader on the pitch or the 
touch line who is bollocking – cajoling – organinsing (and this is my problem 
with forwards as captains – they’re not at the heart of it…).

 

I thought we were playing some form of 3-5-2…others thought it more 5-3-2 
(which would a be a shameful line up at home)…but it doesn’t matter if people 
don’t pick up runners, mark their man, track back, get in where it 
hurts…because as Reading showed, they will waltz through and bang the ball home.

 

So 0-4 after 52 minutes…that was enough for many (the old guy behind me who can 
remember seeing John Charles and Duncan Edwards play, had enough and left 
muttering darkly about the M62)…for the first time in my Leeds supporting life 
I almost left as well. There really seemed no point. But I gave it a few 
minutes while we desperately tried not to concede any more goals…and Matt Smith 
came on. Won a few headers, we all pushed 10 yards up the pitch and suddenly 
the big lump scored, scrambling the ball in at the far post from Pearce header 
back across goal.

 

Less than a minute later, Rudi picks the ball up, surges forward and plants a 
curving 30 yarder into the top corner…and for ten or fifteen minutes they gave 
us some hope…THE BASTARDS…Smith came close a couple of times, there was loads 
of pressure and some corners and some scrambles…but in the end it fizzled out.

 

So another dawn another drubbing; another exodus of fans well before the final 
whistle; another clueless performance from the dead man on the bench and what 
is to be done…he won’t walk, we can’t afford to sack him, especially if we are 
days away from administration again…our best hope is an Italian caught up in 
tax evasion investigations…this summer will see Ross McC, Byram and possibly 
Mowatt leave…

 

…when do the Season Ticket renewals go out again?

 

Again hard to do points for players…the back 4/5/6 were woeful (I think we 
probably need to put Brown in front of the back 4 again) – once again Murphy 
was probably our most consistent player on the night…although  Smith did well 
and caused problems when he came on, in his own unique way; Rudi got fired up 
for the last half hour. Ross McC mainly invisible throughout.

 

Sad times.
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Re: [LU] Reading report

[Ian Murray]

The season is over Dave - it's yet another wasted year. I haven't felt positive 
about us since we had Larry and two premiership class wingers tearing it up. I 
know I'm something of a broken record on this but Bates destroyed us when we 
had a chance at promotion to the promised land. Now we have nothing. Cellino is 
not going to get approved, clearly. I don't know much about Italian law but I 
do know this much - there will be no finality when his case is heard hence the 
league will not approve him. What does this mean for us in a takeover sense?

Depressed of Perth.

MOT

Ian

Sent from my iPhone

 On 12 Mar 2014, at 18:40, nat...@sky.com nat...@sky.com wrote:
 
 Well what a night - incredible - the scoreline does not do this topsy turvy 
 game justice.
 As the team was announced fans were happy to see the back of Kebe, Stewart, 
 Peltier and Warnock and welcomed back Pugh, Marius Pearce and Byram. They 
 were less impressed with the realisation that we were going 5 at the back but 
 to be fair we had had some success with that earlier in the season. So the 
 game kicked off (30mins late) and the crowd put aside the disgust they felt 
 from Saturday and got behind the team. The team largely responded and were 
 snapping into tackles and closing them down. Rudy pulled a shot wide and then 
 Wickham had a decent shot that was easily saved and then it all changed. A 
 poor backpass led to Pearce and Butland both waving their hands and leaving 
 the ball to the other letting a Reading player sneak in and walked it into an 
 empty net. The players confidence disappeared as the ball crossed the line 
 and the patience of the crowd snapped. Suddenly Reading were first to every 
 ball and our challenges were weak and ineffective,
 players forgot how to do the simple things and Tom Lees became the butt of 
 the fans ire as 3 times his passes went into touch or to an opponent when 
 under no pressure. On the stroke of half time it was nearly game over as 
 their foward got the ball in the six yard box under no pressure but took too 
 long and Butland smothered the shot. Halt time was met by a few boos.
 Then came the incredible second half - within  a minute they got a free kick 
 on the edge of the box and put it in the top corner. As our players trooped 
 back to the re-start we could see all fight had gone out of them , the lad in 
 front of me nearly had a heart attack laying into them for their lack of 
 emotion. So it was no suprrise that within 5 minutes they cut us open twice 
 more and the scoreboard read 0 4 . That was enough for some fans and at least 
 20 from the bottom of the Kop left the ground. The rest of us stood in 
 stunned silence and then the vitriol started we're shit and we're sick of 
 it what the f is going on and even worse you're not fit to wear the 
 shirt. The fans having vented their spleen chose sarcasm instead of venom 
 and began to 'Ole' ever Leeds pass - this showed them up even more as it went 
 ole ole oh dear, ole ole oh dear as we could not string more than 2 passes 
 together. A weak shot from Murphy brought huge cheers and
 pretend goal celebrations as we took the piss even more. Then a miracle 
 happened in the shape of Matt Smith. He lumbered on as Marius was jeered off. 
 Within a minute a long cross was bundled home by 'Freak Boy' - he might not 
 look elegant but he knows where the goals are. The crowd cheered, then 
 seconds later Rudy ran through and unleashed one of his thunderbolts - 
 amazingly instead of it hitting Row Z it hit the back of the net 2 4. We 
 could'nt , could we. The crowd got behind the team as only Leeds fans can and 
 the players responded in kind. Rudy turned into Rudy the Beast as he was 
 everywhere with crunching tackles and long passes. Smith was unplayable in 
 the air and these 2 rubbed off on the rest as Reading were like rabbits in 
 the headlights in front of a baying mob.It was real gung-ho go for it stuff, 
 not the prettiest but effective. We even managed with Byram and Mowatt to 
 play some football but mainly it was hit it to the big lad. It was always
 too big an ask but we could have done it, a cross came in that Smith missed 
 by inches, then his header glanced the post and later a shot hit the defender 
 and bounced at 100mph into Ross, on another day it would have ricocheted in, 
 this time it went wide. We peppered them with shots and for about 10minutes 
 we genuinely thought we would get a draw at the very least. OK on the odd 
 occasion they broke it was scary and would have ended our resistance but it 
 was enthralling and exhilarating stuff. As the clock wind down we realised 
 that the impossible come back was just that impossible but it had been great 
 while it lasted. Why o why could we not have played with that effort and 
 tempo at 0 0 or for the rest of the season ?
 At 0 4 and all expecting 0 7 Brian was out of a job, will that 20mins have 
 saved him (or at least delayed what looks inevitable) who knows but 

Re: [LU] Reading report

[Brendan McWilliams]

Hi, 

 

I don't rule out Admin, but at the same time I expect Cellino's bid to go 
through - the FL knows that if he's rejected they are literally sinking the 
club. Plus who's that chappy who heads up the FL these days? Oh yeah... (for 
what it's worth).

 

Besides, a bit of alleged tax dodging is par for the course for any millionaire 
worth his salt. 

 

It's actually worse than the end of Colin's era, as this time a good guy 
espousing football has tried and actually failed bigger.

 

BMW
 

 From: ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com
 Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2014 20:41:31 +1100
 To: nat...@sky.com
 CC: leedslist@gn.apc.org
 Subject: Re: [LU] Reading report
 
 The season is over Dave - it's yet another wasted year. I haven't felt 
 positive about us since we had Larry and two premiership class wingers 
 tearing it up. I know I'm something of a broken record on this but Bates 
 destroyed us when we had a chance at promotion to the promised land. Now we 
 have nothing. Cellino is not going to get approved, clearly. I don't know 
 much about Italian law but I do know this much - there will be no finality 
 when his case is heard hence the league will not approve him. What does this 
 mean for us in a takeover sense?
 
 Depressed of Perth.
 
 MOT
 
 Ian
 
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Re: [LU] Reading report

[Matt Anderson]

Cellino's son tweeted a pic of himself in a Leeds shirt saying we own it. 

If Cellino fails then his son will be owner I think


Sent from Samsung Mobile

div Original message /divdivFrom: Ian Murray 
ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com /divdivDate:12/03/2014  09:41  (GMT+00:00) 
/divdivTo: nat...@sky.com /divdivCc: leeds list leedslist@gn.apc.org 
/divdivSubject: Re: [LU] Reading report /divdiv
/divThe season is over Dave - it's yet another wasted year. I haven't felt 
positive about us since we had Larry and two premiership class wingers tearing 
it up. I know I'm something of a broken record on this but Bates destroyed us 
when we had a chance at promotion to the promised land. Now we have nothing. 
Cellino is not going to get approved, clearly. I don't know much about Italian 
law but I do know this much - there will be no finality when his case is heard 
hence the league will not approve him. What does this mean for us in a takeover 
sense?

Depressed of Perth.

MOT

Ian

Sent from my iPhone

 On 12 Mar 2014, at 18:40, nat...@sky.com nat...@sky.com wrote:
 
 Well what a night - incredible - the scoreline does not do this topsy turvy 
 game justice.
 As the team was announced fans were happy to see the back of Kebe, Stewart, 
 Peltier and Warnock and welcomed back Pugh, Marius Pearce and Byram. They 
 were less impressed with the realisation that we were going 5 at the back but 
 to be fair we had had some success with that earlier in the season. So the 
 game kicked off (30mins late) and the crowd put aside the disgust they felt 
 from Saturday and got behind the team. The team largely responded and were 
 snapping into tackles and closing them down. Rudy pulled a shot wide and then 
 Wickham had a decent shot that was easily saved and then it all changed. A 
 poor backpass led to Pearce and Butland both waving their hands and leaving 
 the ball to the other letting a Reading player sneak in and walked it into an 
 empty net. The players confidence disappeared as the ball crossed the line 
 and the patience of the crowd snapped. Suddenly Reading were first to every 
 ball and our challenges were weak and ineffective,
 players forgot how to do the simple things and Tom Lees became the butt of 
 the fans ire as 3 times his passes went into touch or to an opponent when 
 under no pressure. On the stroke of half time it was nearly game over as 
 their foward got the ball in the six yard box under no pressure but took too 
 long and Butland smothered the shot. Halt time was met by a few boos.
 Then came the incredible second half - within  a minute they got a free kick 
 on the edge of the box and put it in the top corner. As our players trooped 
 back to the re-start we could see all fight had gone out of them , the lad in 
 front of me nearly had a heart attack laying into them for their lack of 
 emotion. So it was no suprrise that within 5 minutes they cut us open twice 
 more and the scoreboard read 0 4 . That was enough for some fans and at least 
 20 from the bottom of the Kop left the ground. The rest of us stood in 
 stunned silence and then the vitriol started we're shit and we're sick of 
 it what the f is going on and even worse you're not fit to wear the 
 shirt. The fans having vented their spleen chose sarcasm instead of venom 
 and began to 'Ole' ever Leeds pass - this showed them up even more as it went 
 ole ole oh dear, ole ole oh dear as we could not string more than 2 passes 
 together. A weak shot from Murphy brought huge cheers and
 pretend goal celebrations as we took the piss even more. Then a miracle 
 happened in the shape of Matt Smith. He lumbered on as Marius was jeered off. 
 Within a minute a long cross was bundled home by 'Freak Boy' - he might not 
 look elegant but he knows where the goals are. The crowd cheered, then 
 seconds later Rudy ran through and unleashed one of his thunderbolts - 
 amazingly instead of it hitting Row Z it hit the back of the net 2 4. We 
 could'nt , could we. The crowd got behind the team as only Leeds fans can and 
 the players responded in kind. Rudy turned into Rudy the Beast as he was 
 everywhere with crunching tackles and long passes. Smith was unplayable in 
 the air and these 2 rubbed off on the rest as Reading were like rabbits in 
 the headlights in front of a baying mob.It was real gung-ho go for it stuff, 
 not the prettiest but effective. We even managed with Byram and Mowatt to 
 play some football but mainly it was hit it to the big lad. It was always
 too big an ask but we could have done it, a cross came in that Smith missed 
 by inches, then his header glanced the post and later a shot hit the defender 
 and bounced at 100mph into Ross, on another day it would have ricocheted in, 
 this time it went wide. We peppered them with shots and for about 10minutes 
 we genuinely thought we would get a draw at the very least. OK on the odd 
 occasion they broke it was scary and would have ended our resistance

Re: [LU] Reading report

[John Lee]

Excellent report Dave/DRB. Embarrassing result. Agree with Ian - I can't see 
Cellino getting in, so it'll be admininstration (or worse), points gone and 
possible relegation again. Even if Cellino gets in, we are going to struggle to 
stay up playing like this. 




On Wednesday, 12 March 2014, 10:05, Brendan McWilliams 
brendan_mcwilli...@hotmail.com wrote:
  
Hi, 



I don't rule out Admin, but at the same time I expect Cellino's bid to go 
through - the FL knows that if he's rejected they are literally sinking the 
club. Plus who's that chappy who heads up the FL these days? Oh yeah... (for 
what it's worth).



Besides, a bit of alleged tax dodging is par for the course for any millionaire 
worth his salt. 



It's actually worse than the end of Colin's era, as this time a good guy 
espousing football has tried and actually failed bigger.



BMW



 From: ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com
 Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2014 20:41:31 +1100
 To: nat...@sky.com
 CC: leedslist@gn.apc.org
 Subject: Re: [LU] Reading report
 
 The season is over Dave - it's yet another wasted year. I haven't felt 
 positive about us since we had Larry and two premiership class wingers 
 tearing it up. I know I'm something of a broken record on this but Bates 
 destroyed us when we had a chance at promotion to the promised land. Now we 
 have nothing. Cellino is not going to get approved, clearly. I don't know 
 much about Italian law but I do know this much - there will be no finality 
 when his case is heard hence the league will not approve him. What does this 
 mean for us in a takeover sense?
 
 Depressed of Perth.
 
 MOT
 
 Ian
                            
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Re: [LU] Reading report

[Ed Morrish]

 I don't rule out Admin, but at the same time I expect Cellino's bid to go
 through - the FL knows that if he's rejected they are literally sinking the
 club.


I fail to see how that would stop them. Remember our majority-voted
double-jeopardy 25-point deduction?

Ed.
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Re: [LU] Reading report

[Rick Duniec]

- Original Message - 
I fail to see how that would stop them. Remember our majority-voted
double-jeopardy 25-point deduction?

Yes I remember it well but I can't believe that there are still folk who blame 
the FL for this when it was 100% down to Bates.
Bates took the second points hit in exchange for starting the season a division 
higher and he prevented any appeal of the quantum because he wanted to use the 
fans as a blackmail weapon against the FL. Some folk are still falling for it, 
it seems.

The current approval problems are far more likely to be related to GFH rather 
than just to Cellino. 
I'd like to hear an explanation of how GFH had the budgets and forecasts 
approved at Christmas and yet by the end of January the club was apparently 
falling off a financial cliff. Perhaps it has been revealed that the FL were 
provided with duff info and there is a price to pay for that now. 
(How could it be anything else but duff info ?)
The FL could be attempting to sanction GFH rather than the club going forward 
(which is what fans organisations lobbied for) and maybe GFH are not playing 
ball. That would create an impasse but would it be the fault of GFH or of the 
FL ?
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Re: [LU] Reading report

[Matt Anderson]

Exactly and it won't be 10 points this time

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div Original message /divdivFrom: Ed Morrish 
edmorr...@gmail.com /divdivDate:12/03/2014  11:04  (GMT+00:00) 
/divdivTo: Brendan McWilliams brendan_mcwilli...@hotmail.com 
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/divdiv
/div
 I don't rule out Admin, but at the same time I expect Cellino's bid to go
 through - the FL knows that if he's rejected they are literally sinking the
 club.


I fail to see how that would stop them. Remember our majority-voted
double-jeopardy 25-point deduction?

Ed.
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Re: [LU] Reading report

[Richard Naef]

Me, I'm looking forward to admin and League 1 - Starting on minus with
WisePoyet was the last time I enjoyed being a Leeds fan.  

 -Original Message-
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 On Behalf Of Ed Morrish
 Sent: 12 March 2014 11:04
 To: Brendan McWilliams
 Cc: leedslist@gn.apc.org
 Subject: Re: [LU] Reading report
 
 
  I don't rule out Admin, but at the same time I expect Cellino's bid to
  go through - the FL knows that if he's rejected they are literally
  sinking the club.
 
 
 I fail to see how that would stop them. Remember our majority-voted
 double-jeopardy 25-point deduction?
 
 Ed.
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