iTunes in windows

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Listers,

Bit of a cross of product types here,

I've just updated iTunes on my windows 10 bootcamp image to the latest version 
of iTunes that is out.

Note this is a 64 bit windows and itunes version, mind you that shouldn't 
matter.

I'm finding that iTunes in this case is not showing either my iPad mini 4 or my 
iPhone 7+ which are both running IOS 10.1.1 although in the passed couple of 
days I've changed my iPhones IOS to the public beta to compare things.

The content I'm really trying to upload is only on my windows side currently 
but the iTunes wont let me see let alone do anything with the data syncing,

Has anyone else noticed this type of crazy misbehaviour?

Mac OS Sierra seems to be working fine at least I can see the phone and pad on 
that image.

Any thoughts appreciated.

I'm thinking now of back versioning to an earlier iTunes

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apple ear pods,

[Simon Fogarty]

I think I saw someone say something about the apple earpods having been 
released earlier in the week,
If so then apple arent' showing it in the websites,

I've checked apple.com,
.co.nz,
.com.au
And com.uk,

No one is showing them yet.

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RE: Verizon versus AT, new phone and questions.

[Simon Fogarty]

Dunedin where I live is meant to have the fastest speeds in NZ however I for 
sure don’t get giga bit internet connectivity

It’s one of those things where the product is not as advertised

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of David Chittenden
Sent: Friday, 2 December 2016 4:11 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Verizon versus AT, new phone and questions.

Within NZ, we have fiber laid in the cities. However, there are currently only 
two large data cables leaving NZ, so speeds can slow considerably when dealing 
with international (most) websites.

Kind regards,

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
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Mobile: +61 488 988 936
Sent from my iPhone

On 2/12/2016, at 13:48, Scott Granados 
> wrote:
The US isn’t bad in comparison either.  There’s been a bit of a price war 
lately. T-Mobile and Sprint are giving away the services, AT will give you an 
unlimited data package now if you use their television service and Verizon has 
a 20+ gig package which is pretty good for them.  T-Mobile I think has the m 
most aggressive plans for outside the country of the US carriers.  We’re 
starting to get the cool LTE features like 256QAMM and carrier aggregation as 
well so it’s not just the Europeans, Asians and folks down under any more with 
all the speed.

I read somewhere that NZ had some of the fastest speeds.  Not sure about that 
as we just rolled out 450 megabit service here and I here 600 is just around 
the corner.  The Pixel XL and Pixel already support 650 megabit service.

On Dec 1, 2016, at 4:39 AM, David Chittenden 
> wrote:

Yeah, it depends on the company and the plan. My former Vodafone plan was $80 
per month. It gave me unlimited calling to NZ and Aus. My Vodafone Aus plan 
only gave me unlimited calling to Aus for $50 per month. NZ gave me 3.5 GB data 
per month. Aus gave me 5 GB data. In both cases, the data was just for whilst 
in that particular country.

I left Vodafone Aus in Sep and moved to Telstra in Aus. The plan is more 
expensive, but I have unlimited calling and unlimited calls whilst roaming for 
several countries. I have not seen a similar in NZ. My new plan gives me 30 GB 
whilst in Aus and 1.5 GB whilst outside Aus. So, I have a prepay plan with just 
a few mins for calls in NZ, and 1.25 GB of data for NZ.

The US has better plans, and no data caps when using land-based internet. Also, 
their speeds are higher. That said, Europe is even better.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
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Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
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On 1/12/2016, at 21:03, Simon Fogarty 
> wrote:
Hi David,

Yeah but in austrailia they get cheaper plans with the same call / plan bebefits

I pay 80 dollars per month in nz for my plan and a friend pays 50 austrailian 
dollars for the same plan except she gets 2 gig more data than I do.otherwise 
the same.

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 On Behalf Of David Chittenden
Sent: Wednesday, 30 November 2016 11:32 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Verizon versus AT, new phone and questions.

Yes, this is sort of correct.

However, in the US, pricing does not include state and/or local sales tax. So, 
the pricing is, in all but a few states, 7 to 15 higher than the posted price. 
In NZ and Australia, the price that one pays is the price listed. Australia is 
less expensive than NZ. Australia has 10 GST, which is included in the posted 
price. NZ has 15 GST which is posted in the price. When the numbers are run 
including sales tax for the state, the prices become just a little bit less 
expensive. The same is true between NZ and Australia. I, of course, enjoy 
purchasing in Aus as the price is about 6 less. Apple builds a buffer in for 
currency fluctuations.

Kind regards,

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
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On 30/11/2016, at 21:46, Simon Fogarty 
> wrote:
The 16 gig SE is $749.00 NZ dollars.

And they go up from there.
The 256 7+ is around the 1800.00 NZ dollar mark,

We get  kind of screwed with apple pricing here.

When the apple ear pods are released they will be $269.00
In the states I believe they are priced at around 160.00



From: 
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 On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Wednesday, 30 November 2016 7:17 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Verizon versus AT, new phone and questions.

RE: Question about the Sonos products

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Scott,

I'm guessing that's not with speakers the 3K?

That sounds bloody amazing shame I don't own this house, I'd knock the living 
room down and build my rooms around the stereo.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Friday, 2 December 2016 1:24 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Question about the Sonos products

For a goof today I went and looked at a ultra high end receiver.  I mention it 
here on the Mac list because it was very configurable via safari which I 
actually tried and loved.  You can set up all sorts of 32 bit audio processing, 
automatic room equalization, but the kicker, Dolby Atmos and it’s own 
proprietary 3d emersion algorithm along with DTS Neo and several other objected 
oriented DTS formats.  Whoa!  I listened to an 11 channel setup, believe it or 
not, 11.2 where you had 11 channels and 2 subwoofers.  Again, whoa!  Several 
sets of speakers were set in the front for an expanded sound stage in front of 
you, sides, back, and yes over head with 2 subwoofers that automatically adjust 
so the base is distributed evenly around the room rather than from a single 
point.  On the video side it upscaled everything to 4K 60 FPS complete with HDR 
video or you could genitive pass through if you wanted.  You could also break 
up the 11 channels and have different speakers for different zones so say 7.1 
in the mail room and 5.1 in the other or 5.1 and several sets of 2 etc.  The 
thing that blew me away though was the automatic calibration and setup.  What 
would have taken an audio degree in my day to configure used 8 microphone 
pickups that you scatter around the room and it uses pink noise and other 
pulses to set itself up.  Also included WiFi so you can grab your XM or other 
streamed content, it automatically software updated and you could buy extra 
CODECS and decoders for different surround standards.  All for $3000 which 
ain’t bad when you consider how many features you get.  There’s also an App for 
the iPad or iPhone to configure, supports bluetooth and includes preamp outs in 
case the 260 watts per channel CLASS AB amps weren’t good enough that are 
included.  You also get the full 260 watts class AB on all channels, not just 
the fronts.  Each channel has 4 32 bit convertors and they use 4 32 bit audicy 
DSP processors for signal manipulation.  (It does a hell of a lot of math, 
something like 10 billion flops)

You start adding speakers, installation of the speakers, cables, more decoders 
and such and you get in to very tall money very quickly but when I buy my next 
free standing house instead of a town house I know the way I’m going.  The 
other interesting thing it supposedly had a mechanism that isolated the sound 
with in your sound space so you didn’t blow your neighbors out of their units 
next door.  I’m skeptical with over a kw of power.  They didn’t have Sonos at 
this store, wasn’t high enough end for them:) but at least I found myself a 
store that’s still hanging in there against the big box shops and amazon.

> On Dec 1, 2016, at 3:51 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hey David,
> 
> The sub woofer is a beast yes,
> 
> I was looking at the next step for my sound system and whether or not 
> I could have the play bar and 2 subs
> 
> See if it would work, no one can tell me
> 
> But yeah they are bloody easy to setup and use,
> 
> Add more units to a room and then pair each pair together If you play 
> them all as one synced room the sound is syncing perfectly, If 
> theaudio comes through different speakers in different rooms then there will 
> be a delay.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden
> Sent: Thursday, 1 December 2016 3:39 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Question about the Sonos products
> 
> Hi Scott,
> 
> We recently set up a Sonos system.
> 
> The Play One is a small speaker. It can do basic stereo sound, or it can work 
> as part of a pair, or as part of a 5.1 surround system. I am not sure about 
> part of a 7.1 system, and Sonos does not yet do upmos for vertical spacial 
> hearing.
> The Play Three and Play 5 can both also function as either a stereo speaker 
> (laid horizontally,, or as the individual side of a stereo pair (laid 
> vertically). Just set it up in the Sonos app.
> 
> My fiancé wanted to hire someone to set up the system, so I agreed that if I 
> could not figure it out fairly quickly, we would bring in an installer. I am 
> good with this sort of thing, but set-up is so simple that she could do it.
> 
> We purchased a PlayBar, two Play Threes, and three Play Ones. I was 
> originally going to match the Play Threes with the PlayBar, but the store 
> only had one in stock, so we put the single Play Three in the bedroom (where 
> I was going to put a Play One. 

RE: Screen curtain on 7 plus.

[Simon Fogarty]

Thnaks David,

 I think I've been trying to move things the old way.

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of David Chittenden
Sent: Friday, 2 December 2016 11:14 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Screen curtain on 7 plus.

If one has the latest iOS installed, the new way to move apps follows:
First, remember that apps are in a grid on the iDevice home screens.
Locate the app to be moved, either by horizontal flicking to it, or by actually 
finding it on the screen.
Make sure the rotor is on action
Use a single-finger vertical flick
When VO announces arrange Apps, double tap Single-finger vertical flick until 
VO announces Move App, then double-tap Move VO to an app next to where you want 
the app to be located Single-finger vertical flick to the desired option and 
double-tap. The desired options include: Place app to the right, Place app to 
the left, (depending on if at a folder or an app) create folder with app or 
place app in folder There is a podcast on Applevis which demonstrates how to 
use the new move feature.

Kind regards,

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
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> On 2/12/2016, at 10:15, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> I too Simon can't get the moving of apps to work, never could.  I just have 
> the home screen layout in settings sort my apps alphabetically.
> 
> Kawal.
>> On 30 Nov 2016, at 08:48, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Kawal,
>> 
>> Yeah I find a new guesture every couple of days, It's crazy but 
>> great.
>> 
>> But I still can't get the moving of apps to work correctly.
>> 
>> Mind you I couldn't get the old version to work properly either.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu
>> Sent: Wednesday, 30 November 2016 9:35 AM
>> To: Macvisionaries 
>> Subject: Re: Screen curtain on 7 plus.
>> 
>> Hi Simon.
>> 
>> Thanks for the correction.
>> 
>> The problem on my phone is fixed now.  It was the Zoom and I think it 
>> drained my battery too.  I remember now turning it on thinking nothing would 
>> happen.  I think I did it when I set up my phone but because of what 
>> happened, I turned it off.
>> 
>> There are lots of new gestures on the phone which I don't know about.  One 
>> day I'll sit and read the manual and learn them.
>> 
>> Kawal.
>>> On 29 Nov 2016, at 07:43, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Kawal,
>>> 
>>> The three finger triple click is curtain on / off,
>>> 
>>> Three finger double click is mute sound off / on,
>>> 
>>> I get it wrong sometimes
>>> Could you be missing a tap or something.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal 
>>> Gucukoglu
>>> Sent: Tuesday, 29 November 2016 9:29 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Screen curtain on 7 plus.
>>> 
>>> When I do three finger triple tap, it turns my speech off. So what is going 
>>> on?
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On 28 Nov 2016, at 8:11 pm, Mary Otten  wrote:
 
 Screen curtain is three finger triple tap.
 Mary
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Nov 28, 2016, at 12:02 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> Just to clarify Mary screen curtain is Three  finger double tap?   It 
> works with my braille display, space for sign chorded.  I can't remember 
> if it worked last week as I have just taken notice of it now.  The 
> battery seems OK now though.
> 
> So if screen curtain works with my braille display then I am doing 
> something wrong with my gesture, unless it's changed?
> 
> 
>> On 28 Nov 2016, at 17:50, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> I had that rapid battery drain happened to me last week or the week 
>> before. I don't exactly know what caused it. I do know that I had used 
>> the Best Buy app which told me to turn on GPS and then wanted me to 
>> activate location services for that app so it could put up a geo-fence 
>> for my store. I suspected that this app was the culprit. So I turned off 
>> location services for it and rebooted. The faster than normal battery 
>> drain happened still. Then I turned on one of my blindness GPS apps, 
>> used it, turned it off, rebooted, and now my battery drain is back to  
>> slow, which is what it should be. Was all that necessary? Was it just 
>> coincidental having to do with the GPS thing or not? Of course I don't 
>> know. I have never had a problem with the screen curtain turning on and 
>> off.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Nov 28, 2016, at 9:45 AM, Kawal 

RE: Question about the Sonos products

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Donna,

 It really depends on how you use them.

 My recommendation would be that you always pair the speakers 

That way you get a better sound from both sides.

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
Sent: Friday, 2 December 2016 3:15 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Question about the Sonos products

This is really interesting.  When my husband and I checked out the Sonos 
options at BestBuy, we both thought the three and the five sounded pretty lousy 
in comparison to the one.  Given that you and David both liked them so much, 
I'm wondering if it was just something about the environment at BestBuy.  May 
have to go check them out again.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Dec 1, 2016, at 2:38 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Scott,
> 
> Yes all of the above.
> 
> Two play fives would be better,
> But in my head it would be the play bar at the front center and then a 
> play five in each front corner,
> 
> Then put a set of play ones or play 3 in the rear corners So you have 
> a 5 speaker setup,
> 
> If you want a .1 then you'll need the sub woofer as well.
> 
> But you could get away quite nicely with the play fives and the play 
> bar  by themselves,
> 
> Put the fives in the rear corners and the bar as you said under the tv 
> will give you a pretty dam good surround sound
> 
> As for speaker stands,
> I've not seen one for the sonos speakers and they are a crazy shape to put on 
> a stand,more of a rectangular box slightly wedged towards the back of the 
> speaker.
> 
> Each speaker needs a power socket to by the way,
> 
> As for use by a sighted person,
> 
> Hell if we have no trouble then he'd have no trouble.
> 
> I'd highly suggest if it was possible Go in to your nearest sonos 
> sales store and take a selection of music and get them to show you the 
> speakers in action with the configuration your thinking of
> 
> That way you get an idea of the real sounds from the speaker units.
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Thursday, 1 December 2016 2:00 PM
> To: MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via 
> 
> Subject: Question about the Sonos products
> 
> Hi, so I’m looking for the Christmas gift for my Uncle who has everything.  I 
> happen to know he doesn’t have a good home theater though and he likes his 
> music and TV.  I was looking at the Sonos system and I’m a little unsure how 
> this works.  I was looking at the play 5.  Do you need two of these for 
> stereo or do you get stereo sound from 1?  Also, to do 5.1 am I reading on 
> their site correctly that I’d put a play bar under the TV, run an optical 
> line to that and then put to play 5 speakers in the back of the room?  Can I 
> pair more than 2 say 4 if I want to simulate 7.1 or is 5.1 the limit?  I know 
> the app is accessibility from the list here but how is it for sited users, 
> very simple?  Anything else I should get with these like speaker stands or 
> how do they mount, do you need special brackets?  Any pointers would be most 
> appreciated.  This looks really cool actually I might have to get one and 
> have another accidentally fall in to the cart.  Can you try these out at Best 
> Buy or other stores or they only available online?  Any input would be most 
> appreciated.
> 
> Thanks
> Scott
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RE: Question about the Sonos products

[Simon Fogarty]

Yeah tried that and options weren't easy to sort through 
 So gave up.

 Looking more for wall brackets I think but will re look at stands.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of David Chittenden
Sent: Thursday, 1 December 2016 11:27 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Question about the Sonos products

I searched for Sonos speaker stand on eBay..

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
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> On 1/12/2016, at 21:52, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> David,
> 
> Do you have a name for some of the speaker stands for the play ones?
> 
> I'm looking for stands or even better wal brackets.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden
> Sent: Thursday, 1 December 2016 3:42 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Question about the Sonos products
> 
> I almost forgot, the speakers can stand on any surface. I will eventually 
> purchase small speaker stands for the play One surrounds as the current 
> tables put them two low in relation to the couch.
> 
> They can be purchased online, at Best Buy, or many other retailers. And 
> Amazon sells them, of course.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +61 488 988 936
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 1/12/2016, at 13:59, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, so I’m looking for the Christmas gift for my Uncle who has everything.  
>> I happen to know he doesn’t have a good home theater though and he likes his 
>> music and TV.  I was looking at the Sonos system and I’m a little unsure how 
>> this works.  I was looking at the play 5.  Do you need two of these for 
>> stereo or do you get stereo sound from 1?  Also, to do 5.1 am I reading on 
>> their site correctly that I’d put a play bar under the TV, run an optical 
>> line to that and then put to play 5 speakers in the back of the room?  Can I 
>> pair more than 2 say 4 if I want to simulate 7.1 or is 5.1 the limit?  I 
>> know the app is accessibility from the list here but how is it for sited 
>> users, very simple?  Anything else I should get with these like speaker 
>> stands or how do they mount, do you need special brackets?  Any pointers 
>> would be most appreciated.  This looks really cool actually I might have to 
>> get one and have another accidentally fall in to the cart.  Can you try 
>> these out at Best Buy or other stores or they only available online?  Any 
>> input would be most appreciated.
>> 
>> Thanks
>> Scott
>> 
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RE: Verizon versus AT, new phone and questions.

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi David,

Yeah my vf nz plan is the 80 per month I now get unlimited calling and text to 
everyone and austrailia for calling
7.5 gb of data and $5 per day for roaming in aus or USA etc depending on where 
I go

But hell 30 gb per month, tha’ts getting up to my home UFB internet plan.

Chers.

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Sent: Thursday, 1 December 2016 10:39 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Verizon versus AT, new phone and questions.

Yeah, it depends on the company and the plan. My former Vodafone plan was $80 
per month. It gave me unlimited calling to NZ and Aus. My Vodafone Aus plan 
only gave me unlimited calling to Aus for $50 per month. NZ gave me 3.5 GB data 
per month. Aus gave me 5 GB data. In both cases, the data was just for whilst 
in that particular country.

I left Vodafone Aus in Sep and moved to Telstra in Aus. The plan is more 
expensive, but I have unlimited calling and unlimited calls whilst roaming for 
several countries. I have not seen a similar in NZ. My new plan gives me 30 GB 
whilst in Aus and 1.5 GB whilst outside Aus. So, I have a prepay plan with just 
a few mins for calls in NZ, and 1.25 GB of data for NZ.

The US has better plans, and no data caps when using land-based internet. Also, 
their speeds are higher. That said, Europe is even better.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

On 1/12/2016, at 21:03, Simon Fogarty 
> wrote:
Hi David,

Yeah but in austrailia they get cheaper plans with the same call / plan bebefits

I pay 80 dollars per month in nz for my plan and a friend pays 50 austrailian 
dollars for the same plan except she gets 2 gig more data than I do.otherwise 
the same.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden
Sent: Wednesday, 30 November 2016 11:32 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Verizon versus AT, new phone and questions.

Yes, this is sort of correct.

However, in the US, pricing does not include state and/or local sales tax. So, 
the pricing is, in all but a few states, 7 to 15 higher than the posted price. 
In NZ and Australia, the price that one pays is the price listed. Australia is 
less expensive than NZ. Australia has 10 GST, which is included in the posted 
price. NZ has 15 GST which is posted in the price. When the numbers are run 
including sales tax for the state, the prices become just a little bit less 
expensive. The same is true between NZ and Australia. I, of course, enjoy 
purchasing in Aus as the price is about 6 less. Apple builds a buffer in for 
currency fluctuations.

Kind regards,

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

On 30/11/2016, at 21:46, Simon Fogarty 
> wrote:
The 16 gig SE is $749.00 NZ dollars.

And they go up from there.
The 256 7+ is around the 1800.00 NZ dollar mark,

We get  kind of screwed with apple pricing here.

When the apple ear pods are released they will be $269.00
In the states I believe they are priced at around 160.00



From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Wednesday, 30 November 2016 7:17 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Verizon versus AT, new phone and questions.

I’d help out with that if it saved you money. We get them for $799, $899 and 
$999 I believe US dollars. Figure the exchange rate and your import taxes.


On Nov 29, 2016, at 2:38 AM, Simon Fogarty 
> wrote:

Hey Dad, what about me?

I’ll be your son!

Just looking at apples pricing,

I’m wondering how much cheaper it would be for me to buy iPhones from apple USA 
and then get them shipped to NZ.
I think I might still get them cheaper

Could get my neaces and nepthew a new phone each.
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Tuesday, 29 November 2016 4:12 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Verizon versus AT, new phone and questions.

Yeah for Christmas.  A 128 7+ for Mom and 2 256 gig 7+ models for my Son and 
Uncle.

I can buy them through T-Mobile but will probably go direct to Apple for 
unlocked versions.

On Nov 28, 2016, at 2:25 AM, Simon Fogarty 
> wrote:

Sorry scott,

Don’t think I heard this right,
Did you say that your buying a few iPhones for xmas?

Re: bluetooth speaker with the mac

[David Chittenden]

Hello,

It has been a couple years since I have done something like that, so my memory 
is quite probably flawed. I seem to recall that the BlueTooth speaker needs to 
be active for it to appear in the sound sources list. Also, I recall needing to 
work in the Bluetooth tables as well as the sound tables to make the routing of 
VO work when sending it to another sound source.

Kind regards,

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +61 488 988 936
Sent from my iPhone

> On 2/12/2016, at 18:27, aliFaisal  wrote:
> 
> Hi, just to give a little more information, I have my mac connected to the 
> speaker, yet as I mentioned, I am not getting output from the speaker itself. 
> I took a quick glance under sounds, and my bluetooth speaker wasn’t even 
> listed as one of the output devices. Is there something I am doing wrong here?
> 
>> On Dec 1, 2016, at 11:48 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> Two things to do, make sure the device is paired and connected and then 
>> restart VO.  It should reroute to the new speaker automatically but 
>> sometimes it requires a command F5 quick restart.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 1, 2016, at 9:36 PM, aliFaisal  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello everyone,
>>> I bought a brand new blue tooth speaker and I have it paired with my mac. 
>>> however, when I have my mac connected and paired, voiceover still comes 
>>> through my mac speakers and not the bluetooth speaker. Any ideas why this 
>>> is happening and how to fix it?
>>> I am using the Bose sound link 2. If anyone has one of these and can 
>>> provide a summary of all the keys on the speaker, I would also appreciate 
>>> that as I just got it and figuring out how to use it.
>>> Thanks
>>> 
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Re: bluetooth speaker with the mac

[aliFaisal]

Hi, just to give a little more information, I have my mac connected to the 
speaker, yet as I mentioned, I am not getting output from the speaker itself. I 
took a quick glance under sounds, and my bluetooth speaker wasn’t even listed 
as one of the output devices. Is there something I am doing wrong here?

> On Dec 1, 2016, at 11:48 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Two things to do, make sure the device is paired and connected and then 
> restart VO.  It should reroute to the new speaker automatically but sometimes 
> it requires a command F5 quick restart.
> 
> 
>> On Dec 1, 2016, at 9:36 PM, aliFaisal  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello everyone,
>> I bought a brand new blue tooth speaker and I have it paired with my mac. 
>> however, when I have my mac connected and paired, voiceover still comes 
>> through my mac speakers and not the bluetooth speaker. Any ideas why this is 
>> happening and how to fix it?
>> I am using the Bose sound link 2. If anyone has one of these and can provide 
>> a summary of all the keys on the speaker, I would also appreciate that as I 
>> just got it and figuring out how to use it.
>> Thanks
>> 
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Re: bluetooth speaker with the mac

[aliFaisal]

Hi,
It is connected and paired and I have restarted voiceover. However, I am still 
getting speech through my mac.

> On Dec 1, 2016, at 11:48 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Two things to do, make sure the device is paired and connected and then 
> restart VO.  It should reroute to the new speaker automatically but sometimes 
> it requires a command F5 quick restart.
> 
> 
>> On Dec 1, 2016, at 9:36 PM, aliFaisal  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello everyone,
>> I bought a brand new blue tooth speaker and I have it paired with my mac. 
>> however, when I have my mac connected and paired, voiceover still comes 
>> through my mac speakers and not the bluetooth speaker. Any ideas why this is 
>> happening and how to fix it?
>> I am using the Bose sound link 2. If anyone has one of these and can provide 
>> a summary of all the keys on the speaker, I would also appreciate that as I 
>> just got it and figuring out how to use it.
>> Thanks
>> 
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Re: Question about the Sonos products

[Mary Otten]

Not too shabby. To say the least.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 1, 2016, at 8:49 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> These were Klipsch horns and not sure what they had in the over head.  The 
> ones I checked out by hand were a big pair of clipsch horns I like there 
> stuff.  Big, bulky and heavy but very efficient.
> 
>> On Dec 1, 2016, at 7:57 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> So, Scott, inquiring minds want to know what kind of speakers they were 
>> driving. I have always been partial to B and W high-end speakers. I do not 
>> own any I hasten to add. I just like them a lot.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Dec 1, 2016, at 4:24 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> 
>>> For a goof today I went and looked at a ultra high end receiver.  I mention 
>>> it here on the Mac list because it was very configurable via safari which I 
>>> actually tried and loved.  You can set up all sorts of 32 bit audio 
>>> processing, automatic room equalization, but the kicker, Dolby Atmos and 
>>> it’s own proprietary 3d emersion algorithm along with DTS Neo and several 
>>> other objected oriented DTS formats.  Whoa!  I listened to an 11 channel 
>>> setup, believe it or not, 11.2 where you had 11 channels and 2 subwoofers.  
>>> Again, whoa!  Several sets of speakers were set in the front for an 
>>> expanded sound stage in front of you, sides, back, and yes over head with 2 
>>> subwoofers that automatically adjust so the base is distributed evenly 
>>> around the room rather than from a single point.  On the video side it 
>>> upscaled everything to 4K 60 FPS complete with HDR video or you could 
>>> genitive pass through if you wanted.  You could also break up the 11 
>>> channels and have different speakers for different zones so say 7.1 in the 
>>> mail room and 5.1 in the other or 5.1 and several sets of 2 etc.  The thing 
>>> that blew me away though was the automatic calibration and setup.  What 
>>> would have taken an audio degree in my day to configure used 8 microphone 
>>> pickups that you scatter around the room and it uses pink noise and other 
>>> pulses to set itself up.  Also included WiFi so you can grab your XM or 
>>> other streamed content, it automatically software updated and you could buy 
>>> extra CODECS and decoders for different surround standards.  All for $3000 
>>> which ain’t bad when you consider how many features you get.  There’s also 
>>> an App for the iPad or iPhone to configure, supports bluetooth and includes 
>>> preamp outs in case the 260 watts per channel CLASS AB amps weren’t good 
>>> enough that are included.  You also get the full 260 watts class AB on all 
>>> channels, not just the fronts.  Each channel has 4 32 bit convertors and 
>>> they use 4 32 bit audicy DSP processors for signal manipulation.  (It does 
>>> a hell of a lot of math, something like 10 billion flops)
>>> 
>>> You start adding speakers, installation of the speakers, cables, more 
>>> decoders and such and you get in to very tall money very quickly but when I 
>>> buy my next free standing house instead of a town house I know the way I’m 
>>> going.  The other interesting thing it supposedly had a mechanism that 
>>> isolated the sound with in your sound space so you didn’t blow your 
>>> neighbors out of their units next door.  I’m skeptical with over a kw of 
>>> power.  They didn’t have Sonos at this store, wasn’t high enough end for 
>>> them:) but at least I found myself a store that’s still hanging in there 
>>> against the big box shops and amazon.
>>> 
 On Dec 1, 2016, at 3:51 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
 
 Hey David,
 
 The sub woofer is a beast yes,
 
 I was looking at the next step for my sound system and whether or not I 
 could have the play bar and 2 subs 
 
 See if it would work, no one can tell me 
 
 But yeah they are bloody easy to setup and use,
 
 Add more units to a room and then pair each pair together 
 If you play them all as one synced room the sound is syncing perfectly,
 If theaudio comes through different speakers in different rooms then there 
 will be a delay.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden
 Sent: Thursday, 1 December 2016 3:39 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Question about the Sonos products
 
 Hi Scott,
 
 We recently set up a Sonos system.
 
 The Play One is a small speaker. It can do basic stereo sound, or it can 
 work as part of a pair, or as part of a 5.1 surround system. I am not sure 
 about part of a 7.1 system, and Sonos does not yet do upmos for vertical 
 spacial hearing.
 The Play Three and Play 5 can both also function as either a stereo 
 speaker (laid horizontally,, or as the individual 

Re: Question about the Sonos products

[Scott Granados]

These were Klipsch horns and not sure what they had in the over head.  The ones 
I checked out by hand were a big pair of clipsch horns I like there stuff.  
Big, bulky and heavy but very efficient.

> On Dec 1, 2016, at 7:57 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> So, Scott, inquiring minds want to know what kind of speakers they were 
> driving. I have always been partial to B and W high-end speakers. I do not 
> own any I hasten to add. I just like them a lot.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 1, 2016, at 4:24 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> For a goof today I went and looked at a ultra high end receiver.  I mention 
>> it here on the Mac list because it was very configurable via safari which I 
>> actually tried and loved.  You can set up all sorts of 32 bit audio 
>> processing, automatic room equalization, but the kicker, Dolby Atmos and 
>> it’s own proprietary 3d emersion algorithm along with DTS Neo and several 
>> other objected oriented DTS formats.  Whoa!  I listened to an 11 channel 
>> setup, believe it or not, 11.2 where you had 11 channels and 2 subwoofers.  
>> Again, whoa!  Several sets of speakers were set in the front for an expanded 
>> sound stage in front of you, sides, back, and yes over head with 2 
>> subwoofers that automatically adjust so the base is distributed evenly 
>> around the room rather than from a single point.  On the video side it 
>> upscaled everything to 4K 60 FPS complete with HDR video or you could 
>> genitive pass through if you wanted.  You could also break up the 11 
>> channels and have different speakers for different zones so say 7.1 in the 
>> mail room and 5.1 in the other or 5.1 and several sets of 2 etc.  The thing 
>> that blew me away though was the automatic calibration and setup.  What 
>> would have taken an audio degree in my day to configure used 8 microphone 
>> pickups that you scatter around the room and it uses pink noise and other 
>> pulses to set itself up.  Also included WiFi so you can grab your XM or 
>> other streamed content, it automatically software updated and you could buy 
>> extra CODECS and decoders for different surround standards.  All for $3000 
>> which ain’t bad when you consider how many features you get.  There’s also 
>> an App for the iPad or iPhone to configure, supports bluetooth and includes 
>> preamp outs in case the 260 watts per channel CLASS AB amps weren’t good 
>> enough that are included.  You also get the full 260 watts class AB on all 
>> channels, not just the fronts.  Each channel has 4 32 bit convertors and 
>> they use 4 32 bit audicy DSP processors for signal manipulation.  (It does a 
>> hell of a lot of math, something like 10 billion flops)
>> 
>> You start adding speakers, installation of the speakers, cables, more 
>> decoders and such and you get in to very tall money very quickly but when I 
>> buy my next free standing house instead of a town house I know the way I’m 
>> going.  The other interesting thing it supposedly had a mechanism that 
>> isolated the sound with in your sound space so you didn’t blow your 
>> neighbors out of their units next door.  I’m skeptical with over a kw of 
>> power.  They didn’t have Sonos at this store, wasn’t high enough end for 
>> them:) but at least I found myself a store that’s still hanging in there 
>> against the big box shops and amazon.
>> 
>>> On Dec 1, 2016, at 3:51 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hey David,
>>> 
>>> The sub woofer is a beast yes,
>>> 
>>> I was looking at the next step for my sound system and whether or not I 
>>> could have the play bar and 2 subs 
>>> 
>>> See if it would work, no one can tell me 
>>> 
>>> But yeah they are bloody easy to setup and use,
>>> 
>>> Add more units to a room and then pair each pair together 
>>> If you play them all as one synced room the sound is syncing perfectly,
>>> If theaudio comes through different speakers in different rooms then there 
>>> will be a delay.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden
>>> Sent: Thursday, 1 December 2016 3:39 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Question about the Sonos products
>>> 
>>> Hi Scott,
>>> 
>>> We recently set up a Sonos system.
>>> 
>>> The Play One is a small speaker. It can do basic stereo sound, or it can 
>>> work as part of a pair, or as part of a 5.1 surround system. I am not sure 
>>> about part of a 7.1 system, and Sonos does not yet do upmos for vertical 
>>> spacial hearing.
>>> The Play Three and Play 5 can both also function as either a stereo speaker 
>>> (laid horizontally,, or as the individual side of a stereo pair (laid 
>>> vertically). Just set it up in the Sonos app.
>>> 
>>> My fiancé wanted to hire someone to set up the system, so I agreed that if 
>>> I could not figure it out fairly quickly, we would bring in an 

Re: bluetooth speaker with the mac

[Scott Granados]

Two things to do, make sure the device is paired and connected and then restart 
VO.  It should reroute to the new speaker automatically but sometimes it 
requires a command F5 quick restart.


> On Dec 1, 2016, at 9:36 PM, aliFaisal  wrote:
> 
> Hello everyone,
> I bought a brand new blue tooth speaker and I have it paired with my mac. 
> however, when I have my mac connected and paired, voiceover still comes 
> through my mac speakers and not the bluetooth speaker. Any ideas why this is 
> happening and how to fix it?
> I am using the Bose sound link 2. If anyone has one of these and can provide 
> a summary of all the keys on the speaker, I would also appreciate that as I 
> just got it and figuring out how to use it.
> Thanks
> 
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Re: Verizon versus AT, new phone and questions.

[David Chittenden]

Within NZ, we have fiber laid in the cities. However, there are currently only 
two large data cables leaving NZ, so speeds can slow considerably when dealing 
with international (most) websites.

Kind regards,

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +61 488 988 936
Sent from my iPhone

> On 2/12/2016, at 13:48, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> The US isn’t bad in comparison either.  There’s been a bit of a price war 
> lately. T-Mobile and Sprint are giving away the services, AT will give you 
> an unlimited data package now if you use their television service and Verizon 
> has a 20+ gig package which is pretty good for them.  T-Mobile I think has 
> the m most aggressive plans for outside the country of the US carriers.  
> We’re starting to get the cool LTE features like 256QAMM and carrier 
> aggregation as well so it’s not just the Europeans, Asians and folks down 
> under any more with all the speed.
> 
> I read somewhere that NZ had some of the fastest speeds.  Not sure about that 
> as we just rolled out 450 megabit service here and I here 600 is just around 
> the corner.  The Pixel XL and Pixel already support 650 megabit service.
> 
>> On Dec 1, 2016, at 4:39 AM, David Chittenden  wrote:
>> 
>> Yeah, it depends on the company and the plan. My former Vodafone plan was 
>> $80 per month. It gave me unlimited calling to NZ and Aus. My Vodafone Aus 
>> plan only gave me unlimited calling to Aus for $50 per month. NZ gave me 3.5 
>> GB data per month. Aus gave me 5 GB data. In both cases, the data was just 
>> for whilst in that particular country.
>> 
>> I left Vodafone Aus in Sep and moved to Telstra in Aus. The plan is more 
>> expensive, but I have unlimited calling and unlimited calls whilst roaming 
>> for several countries. I have not seen a similar in NZ. My new plan gives me 
>> 30 GB whilst in Aus and 1.5 GB whilst outside Aus. So, I have a prepay plan 
>> with just a few mins for calls in NZ, and 1.25 GB of data for NZ.
>> 
>> The US has better plans, and no data caps when using land-based internet. 
>> Also, their speeds are higher. That said, Europe is even better.
>> 
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 1/12/2016, at 21:03, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi David,
>>>  
>>> Yeah but in austrailia they get cheaper plans with the same call / plan 
>>> bebefits
>>>  
>>> I pay 80 dollars per month in nz for my plan and a friend pays 50 
>>> austrailian dollars for the same plan except she gets 2 gig more data than 
>>> I do.otherwise the same.
>>>  
>>> From: 
>>> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On 
>>> Behalf Of David Chittenden
>>> Sent: Wednesday, 30 November 2016 11:32 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Verizon versus AT, new phone and questions.
>>>  
>>> Yes, this is sort of correct.
>>>  
>>> However, in the US, pricing does not include state and/or local sales tax. 
>>> So, the pricing is, in all but a few states, 7 to 15 higher than the posted 
>>> price. In NZ and Australia, the price that one pays is the price listed. 
>>> Australia is less expensive than NZ. Australia has 10 GST, which is 
>>> included in the posted price. NZ has 15 GST which is posted in the price. 
>>> When the numbers are run including sales tax for the state, the prices 
>>> become just a little bit less expensive. The same is true between NZ and 
>>> Australia. I, of course, enjoy purchasing in Aus as the price is about 6 
>>> less. Apple builds a buffer in for currency fluctuations.
>>>  
>>> Kind regards,
>>> 
>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On 30/11/2016, at 21:46, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>> 
>>> The 16 gig SE is $749.00 NZ dollars.
>>>  
>>> And they go up from there.
>>> The 256 7+ is around the 1800.00 NZ dollar mark,
>>>  
>>> We get  kind of screwed with apple pricing here.
>>>  
>>> When the apple ear pods are released they will be $269.00
>>> In the states I believe they are priced at around 160.00
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>> From: 
>>> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On 
>>> Behalf Of Scott Granados
>>> Sent: Wednesday, 30 November 2016 7:17 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Verizon versus AT, new phone and questions.
>>>  
>>> I’d help out with that if it saved you money. We get them for $799, $899 
>>> and $999 I believe US dollars. Figure the exchange rate and your import 
>>> taxes.
>>>  
>>>  
>>> On Nov 29, 2016, at 2:38 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>>  
>>> Hey Dad, what about me?
>>>  
>>> I’ll be your son!
>>>  
>>> Just looking at apples pricing,
>>>  
>>> I’m wondering how much cheaper it would be for me to buy iPhones from apple 
>>> USA and then 

Re: Verizon versus AT, new phone and questions.

[David Chittenden]

Actually, I was talking about data caps, not data speeds. NZ has faster data 
speeds, at least in its larger cities, compared with Australia. Both NZ and Aus 
are significantly slower than the US.

Worse, though, unless one spends significantly (like I am with my new mobile 
plan), land-based data is capped. My NZ data is capped at 80 GB for my 
apartment. In Aus, the house data is capped at 200 GB. My mom's house, in 
Phoenix, on the other hand, does not have any data cap.

Oh, by the way, my iPhone lists 4G both in NZ and Aus, whilst I am in urban 
areas. I use GSM networks.

Kind regards,

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +61 488 988 936
Sent from my iPhone

> On 2/12/2016, at 13:48, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> The US isn’t bad in comparison either.  There’s been a bit of a price war 
> lately. T-Mobile and Sprint are giving away the services, AT will give you 
> an unlimited data package now if you use their television service and Verizon 
> has a 20+ gig package which is pretty good for them.  T-Mobile I think has 
> the m most aggressive plans for outside the country of the US carriers.  
> We’re starting to get the cool LTE features like 256QAMM and carrier 
> aggregation as well so it’s not just the Europeans, Asians and folks down 
> under any more with all the speed.
> 
> I read somewhere that NZ had some of the fastest speeds.  Not sure about that 
> as we just rolled out 450 megabit service here and I here 600 is just around 
> the corner.  The Pixel XL and Pixel already support 650 megabit service.
> 
>> On Dec 1, 2016, at 4:39 AM, David Chittenden  wrote:
>> 
>> Yeah, it depends on the company and the plan. My former Vodafone plan was 
>> $80 per month. It gave me unlimited calling to NZ and Aus. My Vodafone Aus 
>> plan only gave me unlimited calling to Aus for $50 per month. NZ gave me 3.5 
>> GB data per month. Aus gave me 5 GB data. In both cases, the data was just 
>> for whilst in that particular country.
>> 
>> I left Vodafone Aus in Sep and moved to Telstra in Aus. The plan is more 
>> expensive, but I have unlimited calling and unlimited calls whilst roaming 
>> for several countries. I have not seen a similar in NZ. My new plan gives me 
>> 30 GB whilst in Aus and 1.5 GB whilst outside Aus. So, I have a prepay plan 
>> with just a few mins for calls in NZ, and 1.25 GB of data for NZ.
>> 
>> The US has better plans, and no data caps when using land-based internet. 
>> Also, their speeds are higher. That said, Europe is even better.
>> 
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 1/12/2016, at 21:03, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi David,
>>>  
>>> Yeah but in austrailia they get cheaper plans with the same call / plan 
>>> bebefits
>>>  
>>> I pay 80 dollars per month in nz for my plan and a friend pays 50 
>>> austrailian dollars for the same plan except she gets 2 gig more data than 
>>> I do.otherwise the same.
>>>  
>>> From: 
>>> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On 
>>> Behalf Of David Chittenden
>>> Sent: Wednesday, 30 November 2016 11:32 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Verizon versus AT, new phone and questions.
>>>  
>>> Yes, this is sort of correct.
>>>  
>>> However, in the US, pricing does not include state and/or local sales tax. 
>>> So, the pricing is, in all but a few states, 7 to 15 higher than the posted 
>>> price. In NZ and Australia, the price that one pays is the price listed. 
>>> Australia is less expensive than NZ. Australia has 10 GST, which is 
>>> included in the posted price. NZ has 15 GST which is posted in the price. 
>>> When the numbers are run including sales tax for the state, the prices 
>>> become just a little bit less expensive. The same is true between NZ and 
>>> Australia. I, of course, enjoy purchasing in Aus as the price is about 6 
>>> less. Apple builds a buffer in for currency fluctuations.
>>>  
>>> Kind regards,
>>> 
>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On 30/11/2016, at 21:46, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>> 
>>> The 16 gig SE is $749.00 NZ dollars.
>>>  
>>> And they go up from there.
>>> The 256 7+ is around the 1800.00 NZ dollar mark,
>>>  
>>> We get  kind of screwed with apple pricing here.
>>>  
>>> When the apple ear pods are released they will be $269.00
>>> In the states I believe they are priced at around 160.00
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>> From: 
>>> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On 
>>> Behalf Of Scott Granados
>>> Sent: Wednesday, 30 November 2016 7:17 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Verizon versus AT, new phone and questions.
>>>  
>>> I’d help out with that if it saved you money. We get them for $799, 

Re: Screen curtain on 7 plus.

[David Chittenden]

'Go to settings, general, reset, reset home screen layout.

Kind regards,

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +61 488 988 936
Sent from my iPhone

> On 2/12/2016, at 14:37, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> How do you sort automatically?
>   Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan
> 
> 
> 
>> On Dec 1, 2016, at 4:15 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>> 
>> I too Simon can't get the moving of apps to work, never could.  I just have 
>> the home screen layout in settings sort my apps alphabetically.
>> 
>> Kawal.
>>> On 30 Nov 2016, at 08:48, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Kawal,
>>> 
>>> Yeah I find a new guesture every couple of days, 
>>> It's crazy but great.
>>> 
>>> But I still can't get the moving of apps to work correctly.
>>> 
>>> Mind you I couldn't get the old version to work properly either.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu
>>> Sent: Wednesday, 30 November 2016 9:35 AM
>>> To: Macvisionaries 
>>> Subject: Re: Screen curtain on 7 plus.
>>> 
>>> Hi Simon.
>>> 
>>> Thanks for the correction.
>>> 
>>> The problem on my phone is fixed now.  It was the Zoom and I think it 
>>> drained my battery too.  I remember now turning it on thinking nothing 
>>> would happen.  I think I did it when I set up my phone but because of what 
>>> happened, I turned it off.
>>> 
>>> There are lots of new gestures on the phone which I don't know about.  One 
>>> day I'll sit and read the manual and learn them.
>>> 
>>> Kawal.
 On 29 Nov 2016, at 07:43, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
 
 Kawal,
 
 The three finger triple click is curtain on / off,
 
 Three finger double click is mute sound off / on,
 
 I get it wrong sometimes 
 Could you be missing a tap or something.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu
 Sent: Tuesday, 29 November 2016 9:29 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Screen curtain on 7 plus.
 
 When I do three finger triple tap, it turns my speech off. So what is 
 going on?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On 28 Nov 2016, at 8:11 pm, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Screen curtain is three finger triple tap.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 28, 2016, at 12:02 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>> 
>> Just to clarify Mary screen curtain is Three  finger double tap?   It 
>> works with my braille display, space for sign chorded.  I can't remember 
>> if it worked last week as I have just taken notice of it now.  The 
>> battery seems OK now though.
>> 
>> So if screen curtain works with my braille display then I am doing 
>> something wrong with my gesture, unless it's changed?
>> 
>> 
>>> On 28 Nov 2016, at 17:50, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I had that rapid battery drain happened to me last week or the week 
>>> before. I don't exactly know what caused it. I do know that I had used 
>>> the Best Buy app which told me to turn on GPS and then wanted me to 
>>> activate location services for that app so it could put up a geo-fence 
>>> for my store. I suspected that this app was the culprit. So I turned 
>>> off location services for it and rebooted. The faster than normal 
>>> battery drain happened still. Then I turned on one of my blindness GPS 
>>> apps, used it, turned it off, rebooted, and now my battery drain is 
>>> back to  slow, which is what it should be. Was all that necessary? Was 
>>> it just coincidental having to do with the GPS thing or not? Of course 
>>> I don't know. I have never had a problem with the screen curtain 
>>> turning on and off.
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Nov 28, 2016, at 9:45 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu  
 wrote:
 
 I can't turn screen curtain on the I phone 7 plus.  Is there a 
 problem?  Also I charged my battery to 100 % after I made it go flat.  
 This morning after my battery had been 68% it was 30 % and now it's 15 
 %.  It's the first time it's happened and I've had this phone since 
 the 9th of November.
 
 Kawal.
 
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bluetooth speaker with the mac

[aliFaisal]

Hello everyone,
I bought a brand new blue tooth speaker and I have it paired with my mac. 
however, when I have my mac connected and paired, voiceover still comes through 
my mac speakers and not the bluetooth speaker. Any ideas why this is happening 
and how to fix it?
I am using the Bose sound link 2. If anyone has one of these and can provide a 
summary of all the keys on the speaker, I would also appreciate that as I just 
got it and figuring out how to use it.
Thanks

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Removing an email address from apple

[Agent086b]

Hi all,
when I log in to iCloud from a browser I receive an email telling me there has 
been a login from a browser. How can I change or remove an email address? The 
address is not my iCloud address. I know if I select remember me from a login 
screen I won’t get an email. However I mainly use private browsing mode so the 
cookie or however the checkbox is remembered won’t work.
Thanks for any help.
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Re: Screen curtain on 7 plus.

[Jonathan Cohn]

How do you sort automatically?
Best wishes,

Jonathan



> On Dec 1, 2016, at 4:15 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> I too Simon can't get the moving of apps to work, never could.  I just have 
> the home screen layout in settings sort my apps alphabetically.
> 
> Kawal.
>> On 30 Nov 2016, at 08:48, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Kawal,
>> 
>> Yeah I find a new guesture every couple of days, 
>> It's crazy but great.
>> 
>> But I still can't get the moving of apps to work correctly.
>> 
>> Mind you I couldn't get the old version to work properly either.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu
>> Sent: Wednesday, 30 November 2016 9:35 AM
>> To: Macvisionaries 
>> Subject: Re: Screen curtain on 7 plus.
>> 
>> Hi Simon.
>> 
>> Thanks for the correction.
>> 
>> The problem on my phone is fixed now.  It was the Zoom and I think it 
>> drained my battery too.  I remember now turning it on thinking nothing would 
>> happen.  I think I did it when I set up my phone but because of what 
>> happened, I turned it off.
>> 
>> There are lots of new gestures on the phone which I don't know about.  One 
>> day I'll sit and read the manual and learn them.
>> 
>> Kawal.
>>> On 29 Nov 2016, at 07:43, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Kawal,
>>> 
>>> The three finger triple click is curtain on / off,
>>> 
>>> Three finger double click is mute sound off / on,
>>> 
>>> I get it wrong sometimes 
>>> Could you be missing a tap or something.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu
>>> Sent: Tuesday, 29 November 2016 9:29 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Screen curtain on 7 plus.
>>> 
>>> When I do three finger triple tap, it turns my speech off. So what is going 
>>> on?
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On 28 Nov 2016, at 8:11 pm, Mary Otten  wrote:
 
 Screen curtain is three finger triple tap.
 Mary
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Nov 28, 2016, at 12:02 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> Just to clarify Mary screen curtain is Three  finger double tap?   It 
> works with my braille display, space for sign chorded.  I can't remember 
> if it worked last week as I have just taken notice of it now.  The 
> battery seems OK now though.
> 
> So if screen curtain works with my braille display then I am doing 
> something wrong with my gesture, unless it's changed?
> 
> 
>> On 28 Nov 2016, at 17:50, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> I had that rapid battery drain happened to me last week or the week 
>> before. I don't exactly know what caused it. I do know that I had used 
>> the Best Buy app which told me to turn on GPS and then wanted me to 
>> activate location services for that app so it could put up a geo-fence 
>> for my store. I suspected that this app was the culprit. So I turned off 
>> location services for it and rebooted. The faster than normal battery 
>> drain happened still. Then I turned on one of my blindness GPS apps, 
>> used it, turned it off, rebooted, and now my battery drain is back to  
>> slow, which is what it should be. Was all that necessary? Was it just 
>> coincidental having to do with the GPS thing or not? Of course I don't 
>> know. I have never had a problem with the screen curtain turning on and 
>> off.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Nov 28, 2016, at 9:45 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I can't turn screen curtain on the I phone 7 plus.  Is there a problem? 
>>>  Also I charged my battery to 100 % after I made it go flat.  This 
>>> morning after my battery had been 68% it was 30 % and now it's 15 %.  
>>> It's the first time it's happened and I've had this phone since the 9th 
>>> of November.
>>> 
>>> Kawal.
>>> 
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Re: Question about the Sonos products

[Mary Otten]

So, Scott, inquiring minds want to know what kind of speakers they were 
driving. I have always been partial to B and W high-end speakers. I do not own 
any I hasten to add. I just like them a lot.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 1, 2016, at 4:24 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> For a goof today I went and looked at a ultra high end receiver.  I mention 
> it here on the Mac list because it was very configurable via safari which I 
> actually tried and loved.  You can set up all sorts of 32 bit audio 
> processing, automatic room equalization, but the kicker, Dolby Atmos and it’s 
> own proprietary 3d emersion algorithm along with DTS Neo and several other 
> objected oriented DTS formats.  Whoa!  I listened to an 11 channel setup, 
> believe it or not, 11.2 where you had 11 channels and 2 subwoofers.  Again, 
> whoa!  Several sets of speakers were set in the front for an expanded sound 
> stage in front of you, sides, back, and yes over head with 2 subwoofers that 
> automatically adjust so the base is distributed evenly around the room rather 
> than from a single point.  On the video side it upscaled everything to 4K 60 
> FPS complete with HDR video or you could genitive pass through if you wanted. 
>  You could also break up the 11 channels and have different speakers for 
> different zones so say 7.1 in the mail room and 5.1 in the other or 5.1 and 
> several sets of 2 etc.  The thing that blew me away though was the automatic 
> calibration and setup.  What would have taken an audio degree in my day to 
> configure used 8 microphone pickups that you scatter around the room and it 
> uses pink noise and other pulses to set itself up.  Also included WiFi so you 
> can grab your XM or other streamed content, it automatically software updated 
> and you could buy extra CODECS and decoders for different surround standards. 
>  All for $3000 which ain’t bad when you consider how many features you get.  
> There’s also an App for the iPad or iPhone to configure, supports bluetooth 
> and includes preamp outs in case the 260 watts per channel CLASS AB amps 
> weren’t good enough that are included.  You also get the full 260 watts class 
> AB on all channels, not just the fronts.  Each channel has 4 32 bit 
> convertors and they use 4 32 bit audicy DSP processors for signal 
> manipulation.  (It does a hell of a lot of math, something like 10 billion 
> flops)
> 
> You start adding speakers, installation of the speakers, cables, more 
> decoders and such and you get in to very tall money very quickly but when I 
> buy my next free standing house instead of a town house I know the way I’m 
> going.  The other interesting thing it supposedly had a mechanism that 
> isolated the sound with in your sound space so you didn’t blow your neighbors 
> out of their units next door.  I’m skeptical with over a kw of power.  They 
> didn’t have Sonos at this store, wasn’t high enough end for them:) but at 
> least I found myself a store that’s still hanging in there against the big 
> box shops and amazon.
> 
>> On Dec 1, 2016, at 3:51 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> Hey David,
>> 
>> The sub woofer is a beast yes,
>> 
>> I was looking at the next step for my sound system and whether or not I 
>> could have the play bar and 2 subs 
>> 
>> See if it would work, no one can tell me 
>> 
>> But yeah they are bloody easy to setup and use,
>> 
>> Add more units to a room and then pair each pair together 
>> If you play them all as one synced room the sound is syncing perfectly,
>> If theaudio comes through different speakers in different rooms then there 
>> will be a delay.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden
>> Sent: Thursday, 1 December 2016 3:39 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Question about the Sonos products
>> 
>> Hi Scott,
>> 
>> We recently set up a Sonos system.
>> 
>> The Play One is a small speaker. It can do basic stereo sound, or it can 
>> work as part of a pair, or as part of a 5.1 surround system. I am not sure 
>> about part of a 7.1 system, and Sonos does not yet do upmos for vertical 
>> spacial hearing.
>> The Play Three and Play 5 can both also function as either a stereo speaker 
>> (laid horizontally,, or as the individual side of a stereo pair (laid 
>> vertically). Just set it up in the Sonos app.
>> 
>> My fiancé wanted to hire someone to set up the system, so I agreed that if I 
>> could not figure it out fairly quickly, we would bring in an installer. I am 
>> good with this sort of thing, but set-up is so simple that she could do it.
>> 
>> We purchased a PlayBar, two Play Threes, and three Play Ones. I was 
>> originally going to match the Play Threes with the PlayBar, but the store 
>> only had one in stock, so we put the single Play Three in the bedroom (where 
>> I was going to put a Play One. That 

Re: Verizon versus AT, new phone and questions.

[Scott Granados]

The US isn’t bad in comparison either.  There’s been a bit of a price war 
lately. T-Mobile and Sprint are giving away the services, AT will give you an 
unlimited data package now if you use their television service and Verizon has 
a 20+ gig package which is pretty good for them.  T-Mobile I think has the m 
most aggressive plans for outside the country of the US carriers.  We’re 
starting to get the cool LTE features like 256QAMM and carrier aggregation as 
well so it’s not just the Europeans, Asians and folks down under any more with 
all the speed.

I read somewhere that NZ had some of the fastest speeds.  Not sure about that 
as we just rolled out 450 megabit service here and I here 600 is just around 
the corner.  The Pixel XL and Pixel already support 650 megabit service.

> On Dec 1, 2016, at 4:39 AM, David Chittenden  wrote:
> 
> Yeah, it depends on the company and the plan. My former Vodafone plan was $80 
> per month. It gave me unlimited calling to NZ and Aus. My Vodafone Aus plan 
> only gave me unlimited calling to Aus for $50 per month. NZ gave me 3.5 GB 
> data per month. Aus gave me 5 GB data. In both cases, the data was just for 
> whilst in that particular country.
> 
> I left Vodafone Aus in Sep and moved to Telstra in Aus. The plan is more 
> expensive, but I have unlimited calling and unlimited calls whilst roaming 
> for several countries. I have not seen a similar in NZ. My new plan gives me 
> 30 GB whilst in Aus and 1.5 GB whilst outside Aus. So, I have a prepay plan 
> with just a few mins for calls in NZ, and 1.25 GB of data for NZ.
> 
> The US has better plans, and no data caps when using land-based internet. 
> Also, their speeds are higher. That said, Europe is even better.
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com 
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 1/12/2016, at 21:03, Simon Fogarty  > wrote:
> 
>> Hi David,
>>  
>> Yeah but in austrailia they get cheaper plans with the same call / plan 
>> bebefits
>>  
>> I pay 80 dollars per month in nz for my plan and a friend pays 50 
>> austrailian dollars for the same plan except she gets 2 gig more data than I 
>> do.otherwise the same.
>>  
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>  ] On Behalf Of David Chittenden
>> Sent: Wednesday, 30 November 2016 11:32 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: Re: Verizon versus AT, new phone and questions.
>>  
>> Yes, this is sort of correct.
>>  
>> However, in the US, pricing does not include state and/or local sales tax. 
>> So, the pricing is, in all but a few states, 7 to 15 higher than the posted 
>> price. In NZ and Australia, the price that one pays is the price listed. 
>> Australia is less expensive than NZ. Australia has 10 GST, which is included 
>> in the posted price. NZ has 15 GST which is posted in the price. When the 
>> numbers are run including sales tax for the state, the prices become just a 
>> little bit less expensive. The same is true between NZ and Australia. I, of 
>> course, enjoy purchasing in Aus as the price is about 6 less. Apple builds a 
>> buffer in for currency fluctuations.
>>  
>> Kind regards,
>> 
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com 
>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On 30/11/2016, at 21:46, Simon Fogarty > > wrote:
>> 
>> The 16 gig SE is $749.00 NZ dollars.
>>  
>> And they go up from there.
>> The 256 7+ is around the 1800.00 NZ dollar mark,
>>  
>> We get  kind of screwed with apple pricing here.
>>  
>> When the apple ear pods are released they will be $269.00
>> In the states I believe they are priced at around 160.00
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>  ] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>> Sent: Wednesday, 30 November 2016 7:17 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: Re: Verizon versus AT, new phone and questions.
>>  
>> I’d help out with that if it saved you money. We get them for $799, $899 and 
>> $999 I believe US dollars. Figure the exchange rate and your import taxes.
>>  
>>  
>> On Nov 29, 2016, at 2:38 AM, Simon Fogarty > > wrote:
>>  
>> Hey Dad, what about me?
>>  
>> I’ll be your son!
>>  
>> Just looking at apples pricing,
>>  
>> I’m wondering how much cheaper it would be for me to buy iPhones from apple 
>> USA and then get them shipped to NZ.
>> I think I might still get them cheaper
>>  
>> Could get my neaces and nepthew a new 

Re: Question about the Sonos products

[Donna Goodin]

Like I said, ... :)

> On Dec 1, 2016, at 6:30 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> That’s just for the speakers, never mind the installation and the 
> transportation cost of several tons of speaker times the number of speakers 
> you get.  You’d want to go 5.1 of course.:)
> 
> Honestly, when I heard them they were in a stereo pair.  This store wasn’t 
> big on surround sound at all.  It was all about stereo signals, individual 
> amps and 2 speakers in a matched set with these guys.
> 
>> On Dec 1, 2016, at 9:32 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Lol.  Well, I'm pretty sure that  I'd selected speakers that cost $100,000, 
>> limits would have been implemented very quickly.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Nov 30, 2016, at 7:48 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I guess my mom was smart enough not to offer me such a graduation present. 
>>> I would've put her into debt for a good long time.
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Nov 30, 2016, at 5:31 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
 Ha! I miss those days, too.  My graduation from college present from my 
 parents was a stereo system of my selection.  I have fond memories of 
 going to all the different audio stores in St. Louis with my brother 
 trying out all the different components.  Alas, I think those days are 
 gone. :)
 
 One thing I should say about my preference for the Play 1.  I wanted it 
 for our deck, which means that those listening would be about 10 feed 
 away.  I wanted something that would be good for us, but not make our 
 neighbors call the police.  :)  So, my selection of the Play1 was based on 
 it fitting that need.  Depending on your uncle's environment, that may or 
 may not be the best choice.
 Cheers,
 Donna
> On Nov 30, 2016, at 7:15 PM, Scott Granados  
> wrote:
> 
> Ah very good I will do that.  Nice to know you can try them out.  I miss 
> the old days of small boutique audio stores where you could make an 
> appointment and try out the gear with out having to try to hear it over 
> the car stereo section or the piles of televisions and cooking 
> demonstrations etc.:). Thanks for the pointer
> 
> 
> 
>> On Nov 30, 2016, at 8:06 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Hey Scott,
>> 
>> I don't have the play five, so can't answer many of your questions. But 
>> yes, you can try them out at Best Buy. And I will tell you that when I 
>> tried them out at Best Buy, I like the sound of the play one the best. 
>> My recommendation would be that before you purchase anything you go to 
>> Best Buy and listen to the different options.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Nov 30, 2016, at 6:59 PM, Scott Granados  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi, so I’m looking for the Christmas gift for my Uncle who has 
>>> everything.  I happen to know he doesn’t have a good home theater 
>>> though and he likes his music and TV.  I was looking at the Sonos 
>>> system and I’m a little unsure how this works.  I was looking at the 
>>> play 5.  Do you need two of these for stereo or do you get stereo sound 
>>> from 1?  Also, to do 5.1 am I reading on their site correctly that I’d 
>>> put a play bar under the TV, run an optical line to that and then put 
>>> to play 5 speakers in the back of the room?  Can I pair more than 2 say 
>>> 4 if I want to simulate 7.1 or is 5.1 the limit?  I know the app is 
>>> accessibility from the list here but how is it for sited users, very 
>>> simple?  Anything else I should get with these like speaker stands or 
>>> how do they mount, do you need special brackets?  Any pointers would be 
>>> most appreciated.  This looks really cool actually I might have to get 
>>> one and have another accidentally fall in to the cart.  Can you try 
>>> these out at Best Buy or other stores or they only available online?  
>>> Any input would be most appreciated.
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>> Scott
>>> 
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Re: Question about the Sonos products

[Donna Goodin]

Wow!  Had I built a house like that, I would *never* ever move! :)
Cheers,
Donna
> On Dec 1, 2016, at 6:29 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Donna, I went sort of over board on that house.  I had the speakers built in 
> to the wall, the screen was on a motor so it came down when you turned on the 
> system and the projector was also on a lift capable of carrying 200 LBS of 
> weight which was about the weight of the projector.  The projector had 
> several computer inputs each on their own card, a separate add on HD card and 
> it automatically dialed out for new lightbulbs when you were getting near 
> time for servicing.  A guy would show up, change out the parts and of course 
> bill you.:)
> 
> The actual components like the amps and video sources, anything with fans in 
> them were stored in a small machine closet out side the room so you didn’t 
> have fan noise or equipment in the room with the speakers.  And then I 
> moved.:(. If I ever settle somewhere permanently I’ll do it again.  While 
> it’s a pain to upgrade the speakers you don’t switch them out very 
> frequently.  Your gear like the amps and signal processors are all seated in 
> a rack so the stuff you are likely to change isn’t bad at all.  Like swapping 
> gear in a professional music rack.
> 
>> On Dec 1, 2016, at 9:19 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Oh, I'm so jealous!  I've always wanted to have my system built into the 
>> wall.  Not sure why, it's just always seemed cool.  Although that does have 
>> the drawback that it's harder to change things out.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Nov 30, 2016, at 10:10 PM, Scott Granados  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> My mother was always fighting with me about the wires.  She loves this 
>>> whole new wireless revolution going on.
>>> 
>>> I used to have speakers packed to the rafters but when I moved tony first 
>>> house in New England I had them built in to the walls so it wasn’t nearly 
>>> as bad.
>>> 
 On Nov 30, 2016, at 8:33 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
 Lol!  When my husband was in high school, he built four speakers with a 
 friend of his.  The speakers are ginormous.  They horrify my mother, who 
 cares a lot about what things look like.  They stand about five feet 
 tall--my husband was and is into horns.  They pretty much dominate the 
 room, but I've never heard a better set of speakers.
 Cheers,
 Donna
> On Nov 30, 2016, at 7:20 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Oh for those days. Up until fairly recently, we had a store like that in 
> town. I went down there and was then sorry I did, because I so wanted the 
> magna planers. But there was no way they would fit in anybody's house 
> that cares about what things look like. I don't of course, but others do. 
> If you're lucky, and your Best Buy has one of those high and Magnolia 
> rooms or whatever they call it, you might find the Sonos in there, and 
> that should be a better listening experience than simply going to the 
> home theater section in your regular Best Buy store. Good luck with that.
> 
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 30, 2016, at 5:15 PM, Scott Granados  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Ah very good I will do that.  Nice to know you can try them out.  I miss 
>> the old days of small boutique audio stores where you could make an 
>> appointment and try out the gear with out having to try to hear it over 
>> the car stereo section or the piles of televisions and cooking 
>> demonstrations etc.:). Thanks for the pointer
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 30, 2016, at 8:06 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hey Scott,
>>> 
>>> I don't have the play five, so can't answer many of your questions. But 
>>> yes, you can try them out at Best Buy. And I will tell you that when I 
>>> tried them out at Best Buy, I like the sound of the play one the best. 
>>> My recommendation would be that before you purchase anything you go to 
>>> Best Buy and listen to the different options.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Nov 30, 2016, at 6:59 PM, Scott Granados  
 wrote:
 
 Hi, so I’m looking for the Christmas gift for my Uncle who has 
 everything.  I happen to know he doesn’t have a good home theater 
 though and he likes his music and TV.  I was looking at the Sonos 
 system and I’m a little unsure how this works.  I was looking at the 
 play 5.  Do you need two of these for stereo or do you get stereo 
 sound from 1?  Also, to do 5.1 am I reading on their site correctly 
 that I’d put a play bar under the TV, run an optical line to that and 
 then put to play 5 speakers in the 

Re: Question about the Sonos products

[Scott Granados]

That’s just for the speakers, never mind the installation and the 
transportation cost of several tons of speaker times the number of speakers you 
get.  You’d want to go 5.1 of course.:)

Honestly, when I heard them they were in a stereo pair.  This store wasn’t big 
on surround sound at all.  It was all about stereo signals, individual amps and 
2 speakers in a matched set with these guys.
 
> On Dec 1, 2016, at 9:32 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Lol.  Well, I'm pretty sure that  I'd selected speakers that cost $100,000, 
> limits would have been implemented very quickly.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Nov 30, 2016, at 7:48 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> I guess my mom was smart enough not to offer me such a graduation present. I 
>> would've put her into debt for a good long time.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Nov 30, 2016, at 5:31 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ha! I miss those days, too.  My graduation from college present from my 
>>> parents was a stereo system of my selection.  I have fond memories of going 
>>> to all the different audio stores in St. Louis with my brother trying out 
>>> all the different components.  Alas, I think those days are gone. :)
>>> 
>>> One thing I should say about my preference for the Play 1.  I wanted it for 
>>> our deck, which means that those listening would be about 10 feed away.  I 
>>> wanted something that would be good for us, but not make our neighbors call 
>>> the police.  :)  So, my selection of the Play1 was based on it fitting that 
>>> need.  Depending on your uncle's environment, that may or may not be the 
>>> best choice.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
 On Nov 30, 2016, at 7:15 PM, Scott Granados  
 wrote:
 
 Ah very good I will do that.  Nice to know you can try them out.  I miss 
 the old days of small boutique audio stores where you could make an 
 appointment and try out the gear with out having to try to hear it over 
 the car stereo section or the piles of televisions and cooking 
 demonstrations etc.:). Thanks for the pointer
 
 
 
> On Nov 30, 2016, at 8:06 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hey Scott,
> 
> I don't have the play five, so can't answer many of your questions. But 
> yes, you can try them out at Best Buy. And I will tell you that when I 
> tried them out at Best Buy, I like the sound of the play one the best. My 
> recommendation would be that before you purchase anything you go to Best 
> Buy and listen to the different options.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 30, 2016, at 6:59 PM, Scott Granados  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, so I’m looking for the Christmas gift for my Uncle who has 
>> everything.  I happen to know he doesn’t have a good home theater though 
>> and he likes his music and TV.  I was looking at the Sonos system and 
>> I’m a little unsure how this works.  I was looking at the play 5.  Do 
>> you need two of these for stereo or do you get stereo sound from 1?  
>> Also, to do 5.1 am I reading on their site correctly that I’d put a play 
>> bar under the TV, run an optical line to that and then put to play 5 
>> speakers in the back of the room?  Can I pair more than 2 say 4 if I 
>> want to simulate 7.1 or is 5.1 the limit?  I know the app is 
>> accessibility from the list here but how is it for sited users, very 
>> simple?  Anything else I should get with these like speaker stands or 
>> how do they mount, do you need special brackets?  Any pointers would be 
>> most appreciated.  This looks really cool actually I might have to get 
>> one and have another accidentally fall in to the cart.  Can you try 
>> these out at Best Buy or other stores or they only available online?  
>> Any input would be most appreciated.
>> 
>> Thanks
>> Scott
>> 
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Re: Question about the Sonos products

[Scott Granados]

Donna, I went sort of over board on that house.  I had the speakers built in to 
the wall, the screen was on a motor so it came down when you turned on the 
system and the projector was also on a lift capable of carrying 200 LBS of 
weight which was about the weight of the projector.  The projector had several 
computer inputs each on their own card, a separate add on HD card and it 
automatically dialed out for new lightbulbs when you were getting near time for 
servicing.  A guy would show up, change out the parts and of course bill you.:)

The actual components like the amps and video sources, anything with fans in 
them were stored in a small machine closet out side the room so you didn’t have 
fan noise or equipment in the room with the speakers.  And then I moved.:(. If 
I ever settle somewhere permanently I’ll do it again.  While it’s a pain to 
upgrade the speakers you don’t switch them out very frequently.  Your gear like 
the amps and signal processors are all seated in a rack so the stuff you are 
likely to change isn’t bad at all.  Like swapping gear in a professional music 
rack.

> On Dec 1, 2016, at 9:19 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Oh, I'm so jealous!  I've always wanted to have my system built into the 
> wall.  Not sure why, it's just always seemed cool.  Although that does have 
> the drawback that it's harder to change things out.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Nov 30, 2016, at 10:10 PM, Scott Granados  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> My mother was always fighting with me about the wires.  She loves this whole 
>> new wireless revolution going on.
>> 
>> I used to have speakers packed to the rafters but when I moved tony first 
>> house in New England I had them built in to the walls so it wasn’t nearly as 
>> bad.
>> 
>>> On Nov 30, 2016, at 8:33 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Lol!  When my husband was in high school, he built four speakers with a 
>>> friend of his.  The speakers are ginormous.  They horrify my mother, who 
>>> cares a lot about what things look like.  They stand about five feet 
>>> tall--my husband was and is into horns.  They pretty much dominate the 
>>> room, but I've never heard a better set of speakers.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
 On Nov 30, 2016, at 7:20 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
 
 Oh for those days. Up until fairly recently, we had a store like that in 
 town. I went down there and was then sorry I did, because I so wanted the 
 magna planers. But there was no way they would fit in anybody's house that 
 cares about what things look like. I don't of course, but others do. If 
 you're lucky, and your Best Buy has one of those high and Magnolia rooms 
 or whatever they call it, you might find the Sonos in there, and that 
 should be a better listening experience than simply going to the home 
 theater section in your regular Best Buy store. Good luck with that.
 
 Mary
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Nov 30, 2016, at 5:15 PM, Scott Granados  
> wrote:
> 
> Ah very good I will do that.  Nice to know you can try them out.  I miss 
> the old days of small boutique audio stores where you could make an 
> appointment and try out the gear with out having to try to hear it over 
> the car stereo section or the piles of televisions and cooking 
> demonstrations etc.:). Thanks for the pointer
> 
> 
> 
>> On Nov 30, 2016, at 8:06 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Hey Scott,
>> 
>> I don't have the play five, so can't answer many of your questions. But 
>> yes, you can try them out at Best Buy. And I will tell you that when I 
>> tried them out at Best Buy, I like the sound of the play one the best. 
>> My recommendation would be that before you purchase anything you go to 
>> Best Buy and listen to the different options.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Nov 30, 2016, at 6:59 PM, Scott Granados  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi, so I’m looking for the Christmas gift for my Uncle who has 
>>> everything.  I happen to know he doesn’t have a good home theater 
>>> though and he likes his music and TV.  I was looking at the Sonos 
>>> system and I’m a little unsure how this works.  I was looking at the 
>>> play 5.  Do you need two of these for stereo or do you get stereo sound 
>>> from 1?  Also, to do 5.1 am I reading on their site correctly that I’d 
>>> put a play bar under the TV, run an optical line to that and then put 
>>> to play 5 speakers in the back of the room?  Can I pair more than 2 say 
>>> 4 if I want to simulate 7.1 or is 5.1 the limit?  I know the app is 
>>> accessibility from the list here but how is it for sited users, very 
>>> simple?  Anything else I should get with these like speaker stands 

Re: Question about the Sonos products

[Scott Granados]

For a goof today I went and looked at a ultra high end receiver.  I mention it 
here on the Mac list because it was very configurable via safari which I 
actually tried and loved.  You can set up all sorts of 32 bit audio processing, 
automatic room equalization, but the kicker, Dolby Atmos and it’s own 
proprietary 3d emersion algorithm along with DTS Neo and several other objected 
oriented DTS formats.  Whoa!  I listened to an 11 channel setup, believe it or 
not, 11.2 where you had 11 channels and 2 subwoofers.  Again, whoa!  Several 
sets of speakers were set in the front for an expanded sound stage in front of 
you, sides, back, and yes over head with 2 subwoofers that automatically adjust 
so the base is distributed evenly around the room rather than from a single 
point.  On the video side it upscaled everything to 4K 60 FPS complete with HDR 
video or you could genitive pass through if you wanted.  You could also break 
up the 11 channels and have different speakers for different zones so say 7.1 
in the mail room and 5.1 in the other or 5.1 and several sets of 2 etc.  The 
thing that blew me away though was the automatic calibration and setup.  What 
would have taken an audio degree in my day to configure used 8 microphone 
pickups that you scatter around the room and it uses pink noise and other 
pulses to set itself up.  Also included WiFi so you can grab your XM or other 
streamed content, it automatically software updated and you could buy extra 
CODECS and decoders for different surround standards.  All for $3000 which 
ain’t bad when you consider how many features you get.  There’s also an App for 
the iPad or iPhone to configure, supports bluetooth and includes preamp outs in 
case the 260 watts per channel CLASS AB amps weren’t good enough that are 
included.  You also get the full 260 watts class AB on all channels, not just 
the fronts.  Each channel has 4 32 bit convertors and they use 4 32 bit audicy 
DSP processors for signal manipulation.  (It does a hell of a lot of math, 
something like 10 billion flops)

You start adding speakers, installation of the speakers, cables, more decoders 
and such and you get in to very tall money very quickly but when I buy my next 
free standing house instead of a town house I know the way I’m going.  The 
other interesting thing it supposedly had a mechanism that isolated the sound 
with in your sound space so you didn’t blow your neighbors out of their units 
next door.  I’m skeptical with over a kw of power.  They didn’t have Sonos at 
this store, wasn’t high enough end for them:) but at least I found myself a 
store that’s still hanging in there against the big box shops and amazon.

> On Dec 1, 2016, at 3:51 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hey David,
> 
> The sub woofer is a beast yes,
> 
> I was looking at the next step for my sound system and whether or not I could 
> have the play bar and 2 subs 
> 
> See if it would work, no one can tell me 
> 
> But yeah they are bloody easy to setup and use,
> 
> Add more units to a room and then pair each pair together 
> If you play them all as one synced room the sound is syncing perfectly,
> If theaudio comes through different speakers in different rooms then there 
> will be a delay.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden
> Sent: Thursday, 1 December 2016 3:39 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Question about the Sonos products
> 
> Hi Scott,
> 
> We recently set up a Sonos system.
> 
> The Play One is a small speaker. It can do basic stereo sound, or it can work 
> as part of a pair, or as part of a 5.1 surround system. I am not sure about 
> part of a 7.1 system, and Sonos does not yet do upmos for vertical spacial 
> hearing.
> The Play Three and Play 5 can both also function as either a stereo speaker 
> (laid horizontally,, or as the individual side of a stereo pair (laid 
> vertically). Just set it up in the Sonos app.
> 
> My fiancé wanted to hire someone to set up the system, so I agreed that if I 
> could not figure it out fairly quickly, we would bring in an installer. I am 
> good with this sort of thing, but set-up is so simple that she could do it.
> 
> We purchased a PlayBar, two Play Threes, and three Play Ones. I was 
> originally going to match the Play Threes with the PlayBar, but the store 
> only had one in stock, so we put the single Play Three in the bedroom (where 
> I was going to put a Play One. That would leave a play One for the bathroom 
> and a play One for our office. The Play Ones worked so nicely with the 
> PlayBar that the office was upgraded to the other Play Three. Oh, the family 
> room also has the Sonos Sub. I really like this Sub. It is a brick. The 
> speakers are inside and face each other. This allows for excellent deep base 
> without any sub rattling. Sonos says it is because the two speakers facing 
> each 

Re: Voiceover Utility Activities

[E.T.]

   Thanks Alex. I am sure I can find something to make an activity for.

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  Without H2O there is no life!
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On 12/1/2016 12:20 PM, Alex Hall wrote:

Activities let you customize verbosity, speech, commanders, and many other VO 
options based on the current application. You can also hit vo-x to select an 
activity at any time. For instance, some people set things so that an activity 
will enable Quick Nav whenever Safari or Chrome is open, or to raise the 
punctuation level and change formatting announcements when in Pages. I've 
always found activities to make the Mac very slow, but maybe it'll be better on 
this new one. I know of other people who have never had a problem, but of still 
others who run into the same problems I do.

On Dec 1, 2016, at 14:44, E.T.  wrote:

  Am reminded that I should explore this feature. What are some of the things 
where this might be useful? I realize its a rather generic query but its a 
starting point.

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Re: Question about the Sonos products

[Donna Goodin]

Ah, then it probably was the 2nd gen I heard.  Still, want to give it another 
go.  Thanks for the info.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Dec 1, 2016, at 4:26 PM, David Chittenden  wrote:
> 
> I believe second gen came out last year. The second gen models sound better 
> than the original models. We were able to do a side-by-side comparison.
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 2/12/2016, at 10:50, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Well, we'll definitely take another listen, since we're thinking about 
>> expanding our Sonos network.  Do you know when the newer models came out?
>> Thanks,
>> Donna
>>> On Dec 1, 2016, at 2:21 PM, David Chittenden  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yes, the listening environment makes a difference. The first time we 
>>> checked out Sonos, we did not like the sound of any of the speakers. The 
>>> second time, several months later, we got a private demonstration. They 
>>> sounded much better. It is also possible that the first time was the older 
>>> model.
>>> 
>>> Kind regards,
>>> 
>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On 2/12/2016, at 03:14, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
 This is really interesting.  When my husband and I checked out the Sonos 
 options at BestBuy, we both thought the three and the five sounded pretty 
 lousy in comparison to the one.  Given that you and David both liked them 
 so much, I'm wondering if it was just something about the environment at 
 BestBuy.  May have to go check them out again.
 Cheers,
 Donna
> On Dec 1, 2016, at 2:38 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Scott,
> 
> Yes all of the above.
> 
> Two play fives would be better,
> But in my head it would be the play bar at the front center and then a 
> play five in each front corner,
> 
> Then put a set of play ones or play 3 in the rear corners 
> So you have a 5 speaker setup,
> 
> If you want a .1 then you'll need the sub woofer as well.
> 
> But you could get away quite nicely with the play fives and the play bar  
> by themselves,
> 
> Put the fives in the rear corners and the bar as you said under the tv 
> will give you a pretty dam good surround sound 
> 
> As for speaker stands,
> I've not seen one for the sonos speakers and they are a crazy shape to 
> put on a stand,more of a rectangular box slightly wedged towards the back 
> of the speaker.
> 
> Each speaker needs a power socket to by the way,
> 
> As for use by a sighted person,
> 
> Hell if we have no trouble then he'd have no trouble.
> 
> I'd highly suggest if it was possible 
> Go in to your nearest sonos sales store and take a selection of music and 
> get them to show you the speakers in action with the configuration your 
> thinking of 
> 
> That way you get an idea of the real sounds from the speaker units.
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Thursday, 1 December 2016 2:00 PM
> To: MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via 
> Subject: Question about the Sonos products
> 
> Hi, so I’m looking for the Christmas gift for my Uncle who has 
> everything.  I happen to know he doesn’t have a good home theater though 
> and he likes his music and TV.  I was looking at the Sonos system and I’m 
> a little unsure how this works.  I was looking at the play 5.  Do you 
> need two of these for stereo or do you get stereo sound from 1?  Also, to 
> do 5.1 am I reading on their site correctly that I’d put a play bar under 
> the TV, run an optical line to that and then put to play 5 speakers in 
> the back of the room?  Can I pair more than 2 say 4 if I want to simulate 
> 7.1 or is 5.1 the limit?  I know the app is accessibility from the list 
> here but how is it for sited users, very simple?  Anything else I should 
> get with these like speaker stands or how do they mount, do you need 
> special brackets?  Any pointers would be most appreciated.  This looks 
> really cool actually I might have to get one and have another 
> accidentally fall in to the cart.  Can you try these out at Best Buy or 
> other stores or they only available online?  Any input would be most 
> appreciated.
> 
> Thanks
> Scott
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Re: Screen curtain on 7 plus.

[E.T.]

Kawal,
   The old method of moving apps requires patience but is still quite 
doable. I still use it from force of habit.


   The new method, which David has described, is even easier once you 
learn the steps.


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On 12/1/2016 1:15 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:

I too Simon can't get the moving of apps to work, never could.  I just have the 
home screen layout in settings sort my apps alphabetically.

Kawal.

On 30 Nov 2016, at 08:48, Simon Fogarty  wrote:

Hi Kawal,

Yeah I find a new guesture every couple of days,
It's crazy but great.

But I still can't get the moving of apps to work correctly.

Mind you I couldn't get the old version to work properly either.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu
Sent: Wednesday, 30 November 2016 9:35 AM
To: Macvisionaries 
Subject: Re: Screen curtain on 7 plus.

Hi Simon.

Thanks for the correction.

The problem on my phone is fixed now.  It was the Zoom and I think it drained 
my battery too.  I remember now turning it on thinking nothing would happen.  I 
think I did it when I set up my phone but because of what happened, I turned it 
off.

There are lots of new gestures on the phone which I don't know about.  One day 
I'll sit and read the manual and learn them.

Kawal.

On 29 Nov 2016, at 07:43, Simon Fogarty  wrote:

Kawal,

The three finger triple click is curtain on / off,

Three finger double click is mute sound off / on,

I get it wrong sometimes
Could you be missing a tap or something.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu
Sent: Tuesday, 29 November 2016 9:29 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Screen curtain on 7 plus.

When I do three finger triple tap, it turns my speech off. So what is going on?

Sent from my iPhone


On 28 Nov 2016, at 8:11 pm, Mary Otten  wrote:

Screen curtain is three finger triple tap.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On Nov 28, 2016, at 12:02 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:

Just to clarify Mary screen curtain is Three  finger double tap?   It works 
with my braille display, space for sign chorded.  I can't remember if it worked 
last week as I have just taken notice of it now.  The battery seems OK now 
though.

So if screen curtain works with my braille display then I am doing something 
wrong with my gesture, unless it's changed?



On 28 Nov 2016, at 17:50, Mary Otten  wrote:

I had that rapid battery drain happened to me last week or the week before. I 
don't exactly know what caused it. I do know that I had used the Best Buy app 
which told me to turn on GPS and then wanted me to activate location services 
for that app so it could put up a geo-fence for my store. I suspected that this 
app was the culprit. So I turned off location services for it and rebooted. The 
faster than normal battery drain happened still. Then I turned on one of my 
blindness GPS apps, used it, turned it off, rebooted, and now my battery drain 
is back to  slow, which is what it should be. Was all that necessary? Was it 
just coincidental having to do with the GPS thing or not? Of course I don't 
know. I have never had a problem with the screen curtain turning on and off.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On Nov 28, 2016, at 9:45 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:

I can't turn screen curtain on the I phone 7 plus.  Is there a problem?  Also I 
charged my battery to 100 % after I made it go flat.  This morning after my 
battery had been 68% it was 30 % and now it's 15 %.  It's the first time it's 
happened and I've had this phone since the 9th of November.

Kawal.

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Re: Question about the Sonos products

[David Chittenden]

I believe second gen came out last year. The second gen models sound better 
than the original models. We were able to do a side-by-side comparison.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

> On 2/12/2016, at 10:50, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Well, we'll definitely take another listen, since we're thinking about 
> expanding our Sonos network.  Do you know when the newer models came out?
> Thanks,
> Donna
>> On Dec 1, 2016, at 2:21 PM, David Chittenden  wrote:
>> 
>> Yes, the listening environment makes a difference. The first time we checked 
>> out Sonos, we did not like the sound of any of the speakers. The second 
>> time, several months later, we got a private demonstration. They sounded 
>> much better. It is also possible that the first time was the older model.
>> 
>> Kind regards,
>> 
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 2/12/2016, at 03:14, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> This is really interesting.  When my husband and I checked out the Sonos 
>>> options at BestBuy, we both thought the three and the five sounded pretty 
>>> lousy in comparison to the one.  Given that you and David both liked them 
>>> so much, I'm wondering if it was just something about the environment at 
>>> BestBuy.  May have to go check them out again.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
 On Dec 1, 2016, at 2:38 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
 
 Hi Scott,
 
 Yes all of the above.
 
 Two play fives would be better,
 But in my head it would be the play bar at the front center and then a 
 play five in each front corner,
 
 Then put a set of play ones or play 3 in the rear corners 
 So you have a 5 speaker setup,
 
 If you want a .1 then you'll need the sub woofer as well.
 
 But you could get away quite nicely with the play fives and the play bar  
 by themselves,
 
 Put the fives in the rear corners and the bar as you said under the tv 
 will give you a pretty dam good surround sound 
 
 As for speaker stands,
 I've not seen one for the sonos speakers and they are a crazy shape to put 
 on a stand,more of a rectangular box slightly wedged towards the back of 
 the speaker.
 
 Each speaker needs a power socket to by the way,
 
 As for use by a sighted person,
 
 Hell if we have no trouble then he'd have no trouble.
 
 I'd highly suggest if it was possible 
 Go in to your nearest sonos sales store and take a selection of music and 
 get them to show you the speakers in action with the configuration your 
 thinking of 
 
 That way you get an idea of the real sounds from the speaker units.
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
 Sent: Thursday, 1 December 2016 2:00 PM
 To: MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via 
 Subject: Question about the Sonos products
 
 Hi, so I’m looking for the Christmas gift for my Uncle who has everything. 
  I happen to know he doesn’t have a good home theater though and he likes 
 his music and TV.  I was looking at the Sonos system and I’m a little 
 unsure how this works.  I was looking at the play 5.  Do you need two of 
 these for stereo or do you get stereo sound from 1?  Also, to do 5.1 am I 
 reading on their site correctly that I’d put a play bar under the TV, run 
 an optical line to that and then put to play 5 speakers in the back of the 
 room?  Can I pair more than 2 say 4 if I want to simulate 7.1 or is 5.1 
 the limit?  I know the app is accessibility from the list here but how is 
 it for sited users, very simple?  Anything else I should get with these 
 like speaker stands or how do they mount, do you need special brackets?  
 Any pointers would be most appreciated.  This looks really cool actually I 
 might have to get one and have another accidentally fall in to the cart.  
 Can you try these out at Best Buy or other stores or they only available 
 online?  Any input would be most appreciated.
 
 Thanks
 Scott
 
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Re: Screen curtain on 7 plus.

[David Chittenden]

If one has the latest iOS installed, the new way to move apps follows:
First, remember that apps are in a grid on the iDevice home screens.
Locate the app to be moved, either by horizontal flicking to it, or by actually 
finding it on the screen.
Make sure the rotor is on action
Use a single-finger vertical flick
When VO announces arrange Apps, double tap
Single-finger vertical flick until VO announces Move App, then double-tap
Move VO to an app next to where you want the app to be located
Single-finger vertical flick to the desired option and double-tap. The desired 
options include: Place app to the right, Place app to the left, (depending on 
if at a folder or an app) create folder with app or place app in folder
There is a podcast on Applevis which demonstrates how to use the new move 
feature.

Kind regards,

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

> On 2/12/2016, at 10:15, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> I too Simon can't get the moving of apps to work, never could.  I just have 
> the home screen layout in settings sort my apps alphabetically.
> 
> Kawal.
>> On 30 Nov 2016, at 08:48, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Kawal,
>> 
>> Yeah I find a new guesture every couple of days, 
>> It's crazy but great.
>> 
>> But I still can't get the moving of apps to work correctly.
>> 
>> Mind you I couldn't get the old version to work properly either.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu
>> Sent: Wednesday, 30 November 2016 9:35 AM
>> To: Macvisionaries 
>> Subject: Re: Screen curtain on 7 plus.
>> 
>> Hi Simon.
>> 
>> Thanks for the correction.
>> 
>> The problem on my phone is fixed now.  It was the Zoom and I think it 
>> drained my battery too.  I remember now turning it on thinking nothing would 
>> happen.  I think I did it when I set up my phone but because of what 
>> happened, I turned it off.
>> 
>> There are lots of new gestures on the phone which I don't know about.  One 
>> day I'll sit and read the manual and learn them.
>> 
>> Kawal.
>>> On 29 Nov 2016, at 07:43, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Kawal,
>>> 
>>> The three finger triple click is curtain on / off,
>>> 
>>> Three finger double click is mute sound off / on,
>>> 
>>> I get it wrong sometimes 
>>> Could you be missing a tap or something.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu
>>> Sent: Tuesday, 29 November 2016 9:29 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Screen curtain on 7 plus.
>>> 
>>> When I do three finger triple tap, it turns my speech off. So what is going 
>>> on?
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On 28 Nov 2016, at 8:11 pm, Mary Otten  wrote:
 
 Screen curtain is three finger triple tap.
 Mary
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Nov 28, 2016, at 12:02 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> Just to clarify Mary screen curtain is Three  finger double tap?   It 
> works with my braille display, space for sign chorded.  I can't remember 
> if it worked last week as I have just taken notice of it now.  The 
> battery seems OK now though.
> 
> So if screen curtain works with my braille display then I am doing 
> something wrong with my gesture, unless it's changed?
> 
> 
>> On 28 Nov 2016, at 17:50, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> I had that rapid battery drain happened to me last week or the week 
>> before. I don't exactly know what caused it. I do know that I had used 
>> the Best Buy app which told me to turn on GPS and then wanted me to 
>> activate location services for that app so it could put up a geo-fence 
>> for my store. I suspected that this app was the culprit. So I turned off 
>> location services for it and rebooted. The faster than normal battery 
>> drain happened still. Then I turned on one of my blindness GPS apps, 
>> used it, turned it off, rebooted, and now my battery drain is back to  
>> slow, which is what it should be. Was all that necessary? Was it just 
>> coincidental having to do with the GPS thing or not? Of course I don't 
>> know. I have never had a problem with the screen curtain turning on and 
>> off.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Nov 28, 2016, at 9:45 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I can't turn screen curtain on the I phone 7 plus.  Is there a problem? 
>>>  Also I charged my battery to 100 % after I made it go flat.  This 
>>> morning after my battery had been 68% it was 30 % and now it's 15 %.  
>>> It's the first time it's happened and 

Re: Question about the Sonos products

[Donna Goodin]

Well, we'll definitely take another listen, since we're thinking about 
expanding our Sonos network.  Do you know when the newer models came out?
Thanks,
Donna
> On Dec 1, 2016, at 2:21 PM, David Chittenden  wrote:
> 
> Yes, the listening environment makes a difference. The first time we checked 
> out Sonos, we did not like the sound of any of the speakers. The second time, 
> several months later, we got a private demonstration. They sounded much 
> better. It is also possible that the first time was the older model.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 2/12/2016, at 03:14, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> This is really interesting.  When my husband and I checked out the Sonos 
>> options at BestBuy, we both thought the three and the five sounded pretty 
>> lousy in comparison to the one.  Given that you and David both liked them so 
>> much, I'm wondering if it was just something about the environment at 
>> BestBuy.  May have to go check them out again.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Dec 1, 2016, at 2:38 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Scott,
>>> 
>>> Yes all of the above.
>>> 
>>> Two play fives would be better,
>>> But in my head it would be the play bar at the front center and then a play 
>>> five in each front corner,
>>> 
>>> Then put a set of play ones or play 3 in the rear corners 
>>> So you have a 5 speaker setup,
>>> 
>>> If you want a .1 then you'll need the sub woofer as well.
>>> 
>>> But you could get away quite nicely with the play fives and the play bar  
>>> by themselves,
>>> 
>>> Put the fives in the rear corners and the bar as you said under the tv will 
>>> give you a pretty dam good surround sound 
>>> 
>>> As for speaker stands,
>>> I've not seen one for the sonos speakers and they are a crazy shape to put 
>>> on a stand,more of a rectangular box slightly wedged towards the back of 
>>> the speaker.
>>> 
>>> Each speaker needs a power socket to by the way,
>>> 
>>> As for use by a sighted person,
>>> 
>>> Hell if we have no trouble then he'd have no trouble.
>>> 
>>> I'd highly suggest if it was possible 
>>> Go in to your nearest sonos sales store and take a selection of music and 
>>> get them to show you the speakers in action with the configuration your 
>>> thinking of 
>>> 
>>> That way you get an idea of the real sounds from the speaker units.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>>> Sent: Thursday, 1 December 2016 2:00 PM
>>> To: MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via 
>>> Subject: Question about the Sonos products
>>> 
>>> Hi, so I’m looking for the Christmas gift for my Uncle who has everything.  
>>> I happen to know he doesn’t have a good home theater though and he likes 
>>> his music and TV.  I was looking at the Sonos system and I’m a little 
>>> unsure how this works.  I was looking at the play 5.  Do you need two of 
>>> these for stereo or do you get stereo sound from 1?  Also, to do 5.1 am I 
>>> reading on their site correctly that I’d put a play bar under the TV, run 
>>> an optical line to that and then put to play 5 speakers in the back of the 
>>> room?  Can I pair more than 2 say 4 if I want to simulate 7.1 or is 5.1 the 
>>> limit?  I know the app is accessibility from the list here but how is it 
>>> for sited users, very simple?  Anything else I should get with these like 
>>> speaker stands or how do they mount, do you need special brackets?  Any 
>>> pointers would be most appreciated.  This looks really cool actually I 
>>> might have to get one and have another accidentally fall in to the cart.  
>>> Can you try these out at Best Buy or other stores or they only available 
>>> online?  Any input would be most appreciated.
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>> Scott
>>> 
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[Sarai Bucciarelli]

Sarai D. Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli

Hi:
My podcast feeds and episodes will not sync between mac and ios using downcast. 
Any suggestions?

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Re: Screen curtain on 7 plus.

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

I too Simon can't get the moving of apps to work, never could.  I just have the 
home screen layout in settings sort my apps alphabetically.

Kawal.
> On 30 Nov 2016, at 08:48, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Kawal,
> 
> Yeah I find a new guesture every couple of days, 
> It's crazy but great.
> 
> But I still can't get the moving of apps to work correctly.
> 
> Mind you I couldn't get the old version to work properly either.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu
> Sent: Wednesday, 30 November 2016 9:35 AM
> To: Macvisionaries 
> Subject: Re: Screen curtain on 7 plus.
> 
> Hi Simon.
> 
> Thanks for the correction.
> 
> The problem on my phone is fixed now.  It was the Zoom and I think it drained 
> my battery too.  I remember now turning it on thinking nothing would happen.  
> I think I did it when I set up my phone but because of what happened, I 
> turned it off.
> 
> There are lots of new gestures on the phone which I don't know about.  One 
> day I'll sit and read the manual and learn them.
> 
> Kawal.
>> On 29 Nov 2016, at 07:43, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> Kawal,
>> 
>> The three finger triple click is curtain on / off,
>> 
>> Three finger double click is mute sound off / on,
>> 
>> I get it wrong sometimes 
>> Could you be missing a tap or something.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu
>> Sent: Tuesday, 29 November 2016 9:29 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Screen curtain on 7 plus.
>> 
>> When I do three finger triple tap, it turns my speech off. So what is going 
>> on?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 28 Nov 2016, at 8:11 pm, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Screen curtain is three finger triple tap.
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Nov 28, 2016, at 12:02 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
 
 Just to clarify Mary screen curtain is Three  finger double tap?   It 
 works with my braille display, space for sign chorded.  I can't remember 
 if it worked last week as I have just taken notice of it now.  The battery 
 seems OK now though.
 
 So if screen curtain works with my braille display then I am doing 
 something wrong with my gesture, unless it's changed?
 
 
> On 28 Nov 2016, at 17:50, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> I had that rapid battery drain happened to me last week or the week 
> before. I don't exactly know what caused it. I do know that I had used 
> the Best Buy app which told me to turn on GPS and then wanted me to 
> activate location services for that app so it could put up a geo-fence 
> for my store. I suspected that this app was the culprit. So I turned off 
> location services for it and rebooted. The faster than normal battery 
> drain happened still. Then I turned on one of my blindness GPS apps, used 
> it, turned it off, rebooted, and now my battery drain is back to  slow, 
> which is what it should be. Was all that necessary? Was it just 
> coincidental having to do with the GPS thing or not? Of course I don't 
> know. I have never had a problem with the screen curtain turning on and 
> off.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 28, 2016, at 9:45 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>> 
>> I can't turn screen curtain on the I phone 7 plus.  Is there a problem?  
>> Also I charged my battery to 100 % after I made it go flat.  This 
>> morning after my battery had been 68% it was 30 % and now it's 15 %.  
>> It's the first time it's happened and I've had this phone since the 9th 
>> of November.
>> 
>> Kawal.
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Re: an Enhancement request that i have sent to apple,sinking voiceover settings between Devices

[Michael Marshall]

well, i just think it is another option for VO users.
I am not optimistic but i believe that if you have an idea, you should express 
it.
> On 2 Dec 2016, at 7:02 am, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> That is a very very good idea.
> I hope they impliment it into vo soon.
> /A
>> 1 dec. 2016 kl. 01:21 skrev Michael Marshall :
>> 
>> hey all,
>> I have had this idea floating floating around my head for a couple of weeks 
>> and i wanted to share the idea that I have sent to Apple because your 
>> thoughts would be very interesting.
>> I don't know how many of you will be enthusiastic about this but I think it 
>> warrants serious investigation.
>> Here is the message i sent to Apple accessibility.
>> 
>> hello,
>> This is an idea that I have been sitting on for a couple of weeks now and i 
>> wanted to put it out there.
>> I would like to see apple give genuine consideration to implementing the 
>> ability for users of voiceover to optionally sync settings between Devices 
>> using iCloud.
>> This could be incredibly beneficial in terms of things like Dictionary 
>> pronunciations which can be given an extra option of making the announcement 
>> change local or for all devices.
>> this idea would also be extremely useful because if you sign in using a new 
>> device you could have a prompt when voiceover first starts to import your 
>> settings from the cloud.
>> I believe this is a very important idea that could smooth the road even 
>> further for blind users of multiple devices using voiceover.
>> 
>> 
>> kind regards
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Michael
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Re: requesting help on how to get VO to stop saying clickable when reading

[Michael Marshall]

thanks for the suggestion about an activity.
> On 2 Dec 2016, at 5:59 am, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
> 
> You can accomplish this by creating an activity in Voiceover utility.  You 
> can make it specific for Safari and assign a different level of verbosity to 
> the activity.
> 
> Hope this will help.
> 
> Andrew
>> On 1 Dec 2016, at 09:52, Michael Marshall  wrote:
>> 
>> hey all,
>> i once remembered how to do this but i can not for the life of me remember 
>> what setting to change so voiceover does not say clickable when reading text 
>> on some web pages
>> any help would be fantastic.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> thanks
>> 
>> 
>> Michael  
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Re: Question about the Sonos products

[David Chittenden]

Yes, the listening environment makes a difference. The first time we checked 
out Sonos, we did not like the sound of any of the speakers. The second time, 
several months later, we got a private demonstration. They sounded much better. 
It is also possible that the first time was the older model.

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> On 2/12/2016, at 03:14, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> This is really interesting.  When my husband and I checked out the Sonos 
> options at BestBuy, we both thought the three and the five sounded pretty 
> lousy in comparison to the one.  Given that you and David both liked them so 
> much, I'm wondering if it was just something about the environment at 
> BestBuy.  May have to go check them out again.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Dec 1, 2016, at 2:38 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Scott,
>> 
>> Yes all of the above.
>> 
>> Two play fives would be better,
>> But in my head it would be the play bar at the front center and then a play 
>> five in each front corner,
>> 
>> Then put a set of play ones or play 3 in the rear corners 
>> So you have a 5 speaker setup,
>> 
>> If you want a .1 then you'll need the sub woofer as well.
>> 
>> But you could get away quite nicely with the play fives and the play bar  by 
>> themselves,
>> 
>> Put the fives in the rear corners and the bar as you said under the tv will 
>> give you a pretty dam good surround sound 
>> 
>> As for speaker stands,
>> I've not seen one for the sonos speakers and they are a crazy shape to put 
>> on a stand,more of a rectangular box slightly wedged towards the back of the 
>> speaker.
>> 
>> Each speaker needs a power socket to by the way,
>> 
>> As for use by a sighted person,
>> 
>> Hell if we have no trouble then he'd have no trouble.
>> 
>> I'd highly suggest if it was possible 
>> Go in to your nearest sonos sales store and take a selection of music and 
>> get them to show you the speakers in action with the configuration your 
>> thinking of 
>> 
>> That way you get an idea of the real sounds from the speaker units.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>> Sent: Thursday, 1 December 2016 2:00 PM
>> To: MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via 
>> Subject: Question about the Sonos products
>> 
>> Hi, so I’m looking for the Christmas gift for my Uncle who has everything.  
>> I happen to know he doesn’t have a good home theater though and he likes his 
>> music and TV.  I was looking at the Sonos system and I’m a little unsure how 
>> this works.  I was looking at the play 5.  Do you need two of these for 
>> stereo or do you get stereo sound from 1?  Also, to do 5.1 am I reading on 
>> their site correctly that I’d put a play bar under the TV, run an optical 
>> line to that and then put to play 5 speakers in the back of the room?  Can I 
>> pair more than 2 say 4 if I want to simulate 7.1 or is 5.1 the limit?  I 
>> know the app is accessibility from the list here but how is it for sited 
>> users, very simple?  Anything else I should get with these like speaker 
>> stands or how do they mount, do you need special brackets?  Any pointers 
>> would be most appreciated.  This looks really cool actually I might have to 
>> get one and have another accidentally fall in to the cart.  Can you try 
>> these out at Best Buy or other stores or they only available online?  Any 
>> input would be most appreciated.
>> 
>> Thanks
>> Scott
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Re: Question about the Sonos products

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

I have two play 1's, and the sound is just! freaking, explosive! Absolutely 
killer!

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- Original Message - 
From: "Donna Goodin" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2016 9:14 AM
Subject: Re: Question about the Sonos products


This is really interesting.  When my husband and I checked out the Sonos 
options at BestBuy, we both thought the three and the five sounded pretty 
lousy in comparison to the one.  Given that you and David both liked them so 
much, I'm wondering if it was just something about the environment at 
BestBuy.  May have to go check them out again.

Cheers,
Donna

On Dec 1, 2016, at 2:38 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:

Hi Scott,

Yes all of the above.

Two play fives would be better,
But in my head it would be the play bar at the front center and then a 
play five in each front corner,


Then put a set of play ones or play 3 in the rear corners
So you have a 5 speaker setup,

If you want a .1 then you'll need the sub woofer as well.

But you could get away quite nicely with the play fives and the play bar 
by themselves,


Put the fives in the rear corners and the bar as you said under the tv 
will give you a pretty dam good surround sound


As for speaker stands,
I've not seen one for the sonos speakers and they are a crazy shape to put 
on a stand,more of a rectangular box slightly wedged towards the back of 
the speaker.


Each speaker needs a power socket to by the way,

As for use by a sighted person,

Hell if we have no trouble then he'd have no trouble.

I'd highly suggest if it was possible
Go in to your nearest sonos sales store and take a selection of music and 
get them to show you the speakers in action with the configuration your 
thinking of


That way you get an idea of the real sounds from the speaker units.



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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados

Sent: Thursday, 1 December 2016 2:00 PM
To: MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via 
Subject: Question about the Sonos products

Hi, so I’m looking for the Christmas gift for my Uncle who has everything. 
I happen to know he doesn’t have a good home theater though and he likes 
his music and TV.  I was looking at the Sonos system and I’m a little 
unsure how this works.  I was looking at the play 5.  Do you need two of 
these for stereo or do you get stereo sound from 1?  Also, to do 5.1 am I 
reading on their site correctly that I’d put a play bar under the TV, run 
an optical line to that and then put to play 5 speakers in the back of the 
room?  Can I pair more than 2 say 4 if I want to simulate 7.1 or is 5.1 
the limit?  I know the app is accessibility from the list here but how is 
it for sited users, very simple?  Anything else I should get with these 
like speaker stands or how do they mount, do you need special brackets? 
Any pointers would be most appreciated.  This looks really cool actually I 
might have to get one and have another accidentally fall in to the cart. 
Can you try these out at Best Buy or other stores or they only available 
online?  Any input would be most appreciated.


Thanks
Scott

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Re: Voiceover Utility Activities

[Alex Hall]

Activities let you customize verbosity, speech, commanders, and many other VO 
options based on the current application. You can also hit vo-x to select an 
activity at any time. For instance, some people set things so that an activity 
will enable Quick Nav whenever Safari or Chrome is open, or to raise the 
punctuation level and change formatting announcements when in Pages. I've 
always found activities to make the Mac very slow, but maybe it'll be better on 
this new one. I know of other people who have never had a problem, but of still 
others who run into the same problems I do.
> On Dec 1, 2016, at 14:44, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   Am reminded that I should explore this feature. What are some of the things 
> where this might be useful? I realize its a rather generic query but its a 
> starting point.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>  Without H2O there is no life!
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Re: Question about the Sonos products

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Sonos only supports up to 5.1, not 7.1.

Enough said.
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- Original Message - 
From: "David Chittenden" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 9:38 PM
Subject: Re: Question about the Sonos products


Hi Scott,

We recently set up a Sonos system.

The Play One is a small speaker. It can do basic stereo sound, or it can 
work as part of a pair, or as part of a 5.1 surround system. I am not sure 
about part of a 7.1 system, and Sonos does not yet do upmos for vertical 
spacial hearing.
The Play Three and Play 5 can both also function as either a stereo speaker 
(laid horizontally,, or as the individual side of a stereo pair (laid 
vertically). Just set it up in the Sonos app.


My fiancé wanted to hire someone to set up the system, so I agreed that if I 
could not figure it out fairly quickly, we would bring in an installer. I am 
good with this sort of thing, but set-up is so simple that she could do it.


We purchased a PlayBar, two Play Threes, and three Play Ones. I was 
originally going to match the Play Threes with the PlayBar, but the store 
only had one in stock, so we put the single Play Three in the bedroom (where 
I was going to put a Play One. That would leave a play One for the bathroom 
and a play One for our office. The Play Ones worked so nicely with the 
PlayBar that the office was upgraded to the other Play Three. Oh, the family 
room also has the Sonos Sub. I really like this Sub. It is a brick. The 
speakers are inside and face each other. This allows for excellent deep base 
without any sub rattling. Sonos says it is because the two speakers facing 
each other cancels the rattle distortion out.


All the speakers can play the same thing, or each room can play different 
things, and changing is very easy in the app. My sighted partner absolutely 
loves the simplicity of the app. I love its accessibility.


Sonos states stereo pairs may only be created between two speakers of same 
type. So, one could use a play Three as center speaker, two Play Fives as 
front stereo speakers, and two Play Ones or Threes as surrounds, with the 
Sub for proper 5.1 sound, or one can use the PlayBar for the front with the 
Sub and surrounds. Sonos performs all the calculations for excellent sound 
internally within all the speakers. They sound quite good, and my fiancé 
says they sync perfectly with the visuals.


When we first started playing music through the surround system, the Play 
Ones were set on surround enhance mode. I changed it in the Sonos app to 
have the surrounds act as full speakers for music playback. Sonos remembers 
the change, and switches automatically depending on whether source is video 
or music. And, for set-up / video sound, it is just a digital optical cable 
from the TV to the playBar. Sonos uses the wifi in the house to create its 
own network. However, if there is no wifi network, the speakers can be 
connected together with cat5 cables.


As for sound, I have heard better speakers. A good friend has a pair which 
cost him $4,000 per speaker. Those sound fantastic. Sonos is not quite that 
good, and does not play anywhere near as loud. But, they sound better than 
anything I have owned before. They have excellent sound definition and 
excellent sound and frequency separation. Each speaker in the unit has its 
own digital amplifier, and this makes a significant difference. Also, Sonos 
regularly and automatically rolls out updates. The system updates late at 
night when not working, and they improve automatically.


Kind regards,

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +61 488 988 936
Sent from my iPhone


On 1/12/2016, at 13:59, Scott Granados  wrote:

Hi, so I’m looking for the Christmas gift for my Uncle who has everything. 
I happen to know he doesn’t have a good home theater though and he likes 
his music and TV.  I was looking at the Sonos system and I’m a little 
unsure how this works.  I was looking at the play 5.  Do you need two of 
these for stereo or do you get stereo sound from 1?  Also, to do 5.1 am I 
reading on their site correctly that I’d put a play bar under the TV, run 
an optical line to that and then put to play 5 speakers in the back of the 
room?  Can I pair more than 2 say 4 if I want to simulate 7.1 or is 5.1 
the limit?  I know the app is accessibility from the list here but how is 
it for sited users, very simple?  Anything else I should get with these 
like speaker stands or how do they mount, do you need special brackets? 
Any pointers would be most appreciated.  This looks really cool actually I 
might have to get one and have another accidentally fall in to the cart. 
Can you try these out at Best Buy or other stores or they only available 
online?  Any input would be most appreciated.


Thanks
Scott

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Re: an Enhancement request that i have sent to apple,sinking voiceover settings between Devices

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
That is a very very good idea.
I hope they impliment it into vo soon.
/A
> 1 dec. 2016 kl. 01:21 skrev Michael Marshall :
> 
> hey all,
> I have had this idea floating floating around my head for a couple of weeks 
> and i wanted to share the idea that I have sent to Apple because your 
> thoughts would be very interesting.
> I don't know how many of you will be enthusiastic about this but I think it 
> warrants serious investigation.
> Here is the message i sent to Apple accessibility.
> 
> hello,
> This is an idea that I have been sitting on for a couple of weeks now and i 
> wanted to put it out there.
> I would like to see apple give genuine consideration to implementing the 
> ability for users of voiceover to optionally sync settings between Devices 
> using iCloud.
> This could be incredibly beneficial in terms of things like Dictionary 
> pronunciations which can be given an extra option of making the announcement 
> change local or for all devices.
> this idea would also be extremely useful because if you sign in using a new 
> device you could have a prompt when voiceover first starts to import your 
> settings from the cloud.
> I believe this is a very important idea that could smooth the road even 
> further for blind users of multiple devices using voiceover.
> 
> 
> kind regards
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Michael
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Voiceover Utility Activities

[E.T.]

   Am reminded that I should explore this feature. What are some of the 
things where this might be useful? I realize its a rather generic query 
but its a starting point.


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Re: requesting help on how to get VO to stop saying clickable when reading

[Andrew Lamanche]

You can accomplish this by creating an activity in Voiceover utility.  You can 
make it specific for Safari and assign a different level of verbosity to the 
activity.

Hope this will help.

Andrew
> On 1 Dec 2016, at 09:52, Michael Marshall  wrote:
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> hey all,
> i once remembered how to do this but i can not for the life of me remember 
> what setting to change so voiceover does not say clickable when reading text 
> on some web pages
> any help would be fantastic.
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Re: Apple AirPods release rumor from Tim Cook email

[Matthew Dyer]

Hi,


I was in a skype call with some friends lastnight and someone said that 
they were out as of the begining of this week.  Hwe had a pair himself.  
It is strange that they were released without any form of announcement.



Mathew




On 12/01/2016 03:15 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:


Yeah,

Great,

I’m not happy,

That was posted yesterday so when was the email sent back to the 
inquiring customer?


I’m off to austrailia in a week just for a few days of relaxing,

If I could get them from duty free along with my exprsso vodka then 
life would be all good.


In otherw words childs tantram

I want my new ea ear ods  and I want them Now, not later!

But thanks for the heads up.

Last I heard was a phone call to apple customer care asking when they 
were going to be out and why are they delayed.


Response was they weren’t happy with them and wished to correct the bugs

Which is’t a bad thing

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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Scott Granados

*Sent:* Thursday, 1 December 2016 9:00 AM
*To:* MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via 
*Subject:* Apple AirPods release rumor from Tim Cook email

Looks like Tim Cook does answer  customer email once in a while.  Read 
this Redmond pie article for more on the AirPods release.


http://www.redmondpie.com/apple-airpods-release-date-tipped-by-tim-cook-in-email-to-customer/

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Re: Deleting or moving apps on an AppleTV fourth-generation using a Bluetooth keyboard

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Thanks, Kliph.  I've been wondering this for a while now.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Nov 30, 2016, at 4:37 PM, Kliphton Miller  wrote:
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> to delete apps with the remote, find the app you want to delete, hold down 
> the track pad, it will say moving, after that, it will say hit play for more 
> options, hit the play button, and select delete and confirm.
> https://directvnow.com/watch/live
>> On Nov 30, 2016, at 5:23 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
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>> To piggy-back on this, how do you delete apps using the remote?
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Nov 30, 2016, at 4:18 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
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>>> I am sure this must be possible, right? But I am not having any luck 
>>> figuring it out. So, any help out there?
>>> Mary
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Re: Question about the Sonos products

[Donna Goodin]

Lol.  Well, I'm pretty sure that if I'd selected speakers that cost $100,000, 
limits would have been implemented very quickly.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Nov 30, 2016, at 7:48 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
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> I guess my mom was smart enough not to offer me such a graduation present. I 
> would've put her into debt for a good long time.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Nov 30, 2016, at 5:31 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
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>> Ha! I miss those days, too.  My graduation from college present from my 
>> parents was a stereo system of my selection.  I have fond memories of going 
>> to all the different audio stores in St. Louis with my brother trying out 
>> all the different components.  Alas, I think those days are gone. :)
>> 
>> One thing I should say about my preference for the Play 1.  I wanted it for 
>> our deck, which means that those listening would be about 10 feed away.  I 
>> wanted something that would be good for us, but not make our neighbors call 
>> the police.  :)  So, my selection of the Play1 was based on it fitting that 
>> need.  Depending on your uncle's environment, that may or may not be the 
>> best choice.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Nov 30, 2016, at 7:15 PM, Scott Granados  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ah very good I will do that.  Nice to know you can try them out.  I miss 
>>> the old days of small boutique audio stores where you could make an 
>>> appointment and try out the gear with out having to try to hear it over the 
>>> car stereo section or the piles of televisions and cooking demonstrations 
>>> etc.:). Thanks for the pointer
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Nov 30, 2016, at 8:06 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
 Hey Scott,
 
 I don't have the play five, so can't answer many of your questions. But 
 yes, you can try them out at Best Buy. And I will tell you that when I 
 tried them out at Best Buy, I like the sound of the play one the best. My 
 recommendation would be that before you purchase anything you go to Best 
 Buy and listen to the different options.
 Cheers,
 Donna
 
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> On Nov 30, 2016, at 6:59 PM, Scott Granados  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi, so I’m looking for the Christmas gift for my Uncle who has 
> everything.  I happen to know he doesn’t have a good home theater though 
> and he likes his music and TV.  I was looking at the Sonos system and I’m 
> a little unsure how this works.  I was looking at the play 5.  Do you 
> need two of these for stereo or do you get stereo sound from 1?  Also, to 
> do 5.1 am I reading on their site correctly that I’d put a play bar under 
> the TV, run an optical line to that and then put to play 5 speakers in 
> the back of the room?  Can I pair more than 2 say 4 if I want to simulate 
> 7.1 or is 5.1 the limit?  I know the app is accessibility from the list 
> here but how is it for sited users, very simple?  Anything else I should 
> get with these like speaker stands or how do they mount, do you need 
> special brackets?  Any pointers would be most appreciated.  This looks 
> really cool actually I might have to get one and have another 
> accidentally fall in to the cart.  Can you try these out at Best Buy or 
> other stores or they only available online?  Any input would be most 
> appreciated.
> 
> Thanks
> Scott
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Re: Question about the Sonos products

[Donna Goodin]

Oh, I'm so jealous!  I've always wanted to have my system built into the wall.  
Not sure why, it's just always seemed cool.  Although that does have the 
drawback that it's harder to change things out.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Nov 30, 2016, at 10:10 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
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> My mother was always fighting with me about the wires.  She loves this whole 
> new wireless revolution going on.
> 
> I used to have speakers packed to the rafters but when I moved tony first 
> house in New England I had them built in to the walls so it wasn’t nearly as 
> bad.
> 
>> On Nov 30, 2016, at 8:33 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Lol!  When my husband was in high school, he built four speakers with a 
>> friend of his.  The speakers are ginormous.  They horrify my mother, who 
>> cares a lot about what things look like.  They stand about five feet 
>> tall--my husband was and is into horns.  They pretty much dominate the room, 
>> but I've never heard a better set of speakers.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Nov 30, 2016, at 7:20 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Oh for those days. Up until fairly recently, we had a store like that in 
>>> town. I went down there and was then sorry I did, because I so wanted the 
>>> magna planers. But there was no way they would fit in anybody's house that 
>>> cares about what things look like. I don't of course, but others do. If 
>>> you're lucky, and your Best Buy has one of those high and Magnolia rooms or 
>>> whatever they call it, you might find the Sonos in there, and that should 
>>> be a better listening experience than simply going to the home theater 
>>> section in your regular Best Buy store. Good luck with that.
>>> 
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Nov 30, 2016, at 5:15 PM, Scott Granados  
 wrote:
 
 Ah very good I will do that.  Nice to know you can try them out.  I miss 
 the old days of small boutique audio stores where you could make an 
 appointment and try out the gear with out having to try to hear it over 
 the car stereo section or the piles of televisions and cooking 
 demonstrations etc.:). Thanks for the pointer
 
 
 
> On Nov 30, 2016, at 8:06 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hey Scott,
> 
> I don't have the play five, so can't answer many of your questions. But 
> yes, you can try them out at Best Buy. And I will tell you that when I 
> tried them out at Best Buy, I like the sound of the play one the best. My 
> recommendation would be that before you purchase anything you go to Best 
> Buy and listen to the different options.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 30, 2016, at 6:59 PM, Scott Granados  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, so I’m looking for the Christmas gift for my Uncle who has 
>> everything.  I happen to know he doesn’t have a good home theater though 
>> and he likes his music and TV.  I was looking at the Sonos system and 
>> I’m a little unsure how this works.  I was looking at the play 5.  Do 
>> you need two of these for stereo or do you get stereo sound from 1?  
>> Also, to do 5.1 am I reading on their site correctly that I’d put a play 
>> bar under the TV, run an optical line to that and then put to play 5 
>> speakers in the back of the room?  Can I pair more than 2 say 4 if I 
>> want to simulate 7.1 or is 5.1 the limit?  I know the app is 
>> accessibility from the list here but how is it for sited users, very 
>> simple?  Anything else I should get with these like speaker stands or 
>> how do they mount, do you need special brackets?  Any pointers would be 
>> most appreciated.  This looks really cool actually I might have to get 
>> one and have another accidentally fall in to the cart.  Can you try 
>> these out at Best Buy or other stores or they only available online?  
>> Any input would be most appreciated.
>> 
>> Thanks
>> Scott
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Re: Question about the Sonos products

[Donna Goodin]

Lol.  No, I couldn't do that.  She's very cool, and very nice, but she's 80 
years old.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Dec 1, 2016, at 2:45 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna,
> 
> Screw the neighbours,
> 
> You surely can play your audio in your own way?
> 
> I have 4 play one speakers in my living room and one in my bedroom 
> I normally sit out side in the sun on a nice day and share my music with the 
> neighbourhood 
> 
>  Matellica, iron maidan 
> Aero smith, pink Floyd
> AC DC  
> You name it and it's loud 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
> Sent: Thursday, 1 December 2016 2:34 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Question about the Sonos products
> 
> Lol!  When my husband was in high school, he built four speakers with a 
> friend of his.  The speakers are ginormous.  They horrify my mother, who 
> cares a lot about what things look like.  They stand about five feet tall--my 
> husband was and is into horns.  They pretty much dominate the room, but I've 
> never heard a better set of speakers.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Nov 30, 2016, at 7:20 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> Oh for those days. Up until fairly recently, we had a store like that in 
>> town. I went down there and was then sorry I did, because I so wanted the 
>> magna planers. But there was no way they would fit in anybody's house that 
>> cares about what things look like. I don't of course, but others do. If 
>> you're lucky, and your Best Buy has one of those high and Magnolia rooms or 
>> whatever they call it, you might find the Sonos in there, and that should be 
>> a better listening experience than simply going to the home theater section 
>> in your regular Best Buy store. Good luck with that.
>> 
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Nov 30, 2016, at 5:15 PM, Scott Granados  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ah very good I will do that.  Nice to know you can try them out.  I miss 
>>> the old days of small boutique audio stores where you could make an 
>>> appointment and try out the gear with out having to try to hear it over the 
>>> car stereo section or the piles of televisions and cooking demonstrations 
>>> etc.:). Thanks for the pointer
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Nov 30, 2016, at 8:06 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
 Hey Scott,
 
 I don't have the play five, so can't answer many of your questions. But 
 yes, you can try them out at Best Buy. And I will tell you that when I 
 tried them out at Best Buy, I like the sound of the play one the best. My 
 recommendation would be that before you purchase anything you go to Best 
 Buy and listen to the different options.
 Cheers,
 Donna
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Nov 30, 2016, at 6:59 PM, Scott Granados  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi, so I’m looking for the Christmas gift for my Uncle who has 
> everything.  I happen to know he doesn’t have a good home theater though 
> and he likes his music and TV.  I was looking at the Sonos system and I’m 
> a little unsure how this works.  I was looking at the play 5.  Do you 
> need two of these for stereo or do you get stereo sound from 1?  Also, to 
> do 5.1 am I reading on their site correctly that I’d put a play bar under 
> the TV, run an optical line to that and then put to play 5 speakers in 
> the back of the room?  Can I pair more than 2 say 4 if I want to simulate 
> 7.1 or is 5.1 the limit?  I know the app is accessibility from the list 
> here but how is it for sited users, very simple?  Anything else I should 
> get with these like speaker stands or how do they mount, do you need 
> special brackets?  Any pointers would be most appreciated.  This looks 
> really cool actually I might have to get one and have another 
> accidentally fall in to the cart.  Can you try these out at Best Buy or 
> other stores or they only available online?  Any input would be most 
> appreciated.
> 
> Thanks
> Scott
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Re: Question about the Sonos products

[Donna Goodin]

This is really interesting.  When my husband and I checked out the Sonos 
options at BestBuy, we both thought the three and the five sounded pretty lousy 
in comparison to the one.  Given that you and David both liked them so much, 
I'm wondering if it was just something about the environment at BestBuy.  May 
have to go check them out again.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Dec 1, 2016, at 2:38 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Scott,
> 
> Yes all of the above.
> 
> Two play fives would be better,
> But in my head it would be the play bar at the front center and then a play 
> five in each front corner,
> 
> Then put a set of play ones or play 3 in the rear corners 
> So you have a 5 speaker setup,
> 
> If you want a .1 then you'll need the sub woofer as well.
> 
> But you could get away quite nicely with the play fives and the play bar  by 
> themselves,
> 
> Put the fives in the rear corners and the bar as you said under the tv will 
> give you a pretty dam good surround sound 
> 
> As for speaker stands,
> I've not seen one for the sonos speakers and they are a crazy shape to put on 
> a stand,more of a rectangular box slightly wedged towards the back of the 
> speaker.
> 
> Each speaker needs a power socket to by the way,
> 
> As for use by a sighted person,
> 
> Hell if we have no trouble then he'd have no trouble.
> 
> I'd highly suggest if it was possible 
> Go in to your nearest sonos sales store and take a selection of music and get 
> them to show you the speakers in action with the configuration your thinking 
> of 
> 
> That way you get an idea of the real sounds from the speaker units.
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Thursday, 1 December 2016 2:00 PM
> To: MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via 
> Subject: Question about the Sonos products
> 
> Hi, so I’m looking for the Christmas gift for my Uncle who has everything.  I 
> happen to know he doesn’t have a good home theater though and he likes his 
> music and TV.  I was looking at the Sonos system and I’m a little unsure how 
> this works.  I was looking at the play 5.  Do you need two of these for 
> stereo or do you get stereo sound from 1?  Also, to do 5.1 am I reading on 
> their site correctly that I’d put a play bar under the TV, run an optical 
> line to that and then put to play 5 speakers in the back of the room?  Can I 
> pair more than 2 say 4 if I want to simulate 7.1 or is 5.1 the limit?  I know 
> the app is accessibility from the list here but how is it for sited users, 
> very simple?  Anything else I should get with these like speaker stands or 
> how do they mount, do you need special brackets?  Any pointers would be most 
> appreciated.  This looks really cool actually I might have to get one and 
> have another accidentally fall in to the cart.  Can you try these out at Best 
> Buy or other stores or they only available online?  Any input would be most 
> appreciated.
> 
> Thanks
> Scott
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Re: Question about the Sonos products

[David Chittenden]

I searched for Sonos speaker stand on eBay..

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> On 1/12/2016, at 21:52, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> David,
> 
> Do you have a name for some of the speaker stands for the play ones?
> 
> I'm looking for stands or even better wal brackets.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden
> Sent: Thursday, 1 December 2016 3:42 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Question about the Sonos products
> 
> I almost forgot, the speakers can stand on any surface. I will eventually 
> purchase small speaker stands for the play One surrounds as the current 
> tables put them two low in relation to the couch.
> 
> They can be purchased online, at Best Buy, or many other retailers. And 
> Amazon sells them, of course.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +61 488 988 936
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 1/12/2016, at 13:59, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, so I’m looking for the Christmas gift for my Uncle who has everything.  
>> I happen to know he doesn’t have a good home theater though and he likes his 
>> music and TV.  I was looking at the Sonos system and I’m a little unsure how 
>> this works.  I was looking at the play 5.  Do you need two of these for 
>> stereo or do you get stereo sound from 1?  Also, to do 5.1 am I reading on 
>> their site correctly that I’d put a play bar under the TV, run an optical 
>> line to that and then put to play 5 speakers in the back of the room?  Can I 
>> pair more than 2 say 4 if I want to simulate 7.1 or is 5.1 the limit?  I 
>> know the app is accessibility from the list here but how is it for sited 
>> users, very simple?  Anything else I should get with these like speaker 
>> stands or how do they mount, do you need special brackets?  Any pointers 
>> would be most appreciated.  This looks really cool actually I might have to 
>> get one and have another accidentally fall in to the cart.  Can you try 
>> these out at Best Buy or other stores or they only available online?  Any 
>> input would be most appreciated.
>> 
>> Thanks
>> Scott
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Re: Question about the Sonos products

[David Chittenden]

I suspect it should work. You could always send a query to Sonos.

Kind regards,

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> On 1/12/2016, at 21:51, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hey David,
> 
> The sub woofer is a beast yes,
> 
> I was looking at the next step for my sound system and whether or not I could 
> have the play bar and 2 subs 
> 
> See if it would work, no one can tell me 
> 
> But yeah they are bloody easy to setup and use,
> 
> Add more units to a room and then pair each pair together 
> If you play them all as one synced room the sound is syncing perfectly,
> If theaudio comes through different speakers in different rooms then there 
> will be a delay.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden
> Sent: Thursday, 1 December 2016 3:39 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Question about the Sonos products
> 
> Hi Scott,
> 
> We recently set up a Sonos system.
> 
> The Play One is a small speaker. It can do basic stereo sound, or it can work 
> as part of a pair, or as part of a 5.1 surround system. I am not sure about 
> part of a 7.1 system, and Sonos does not yet do upmos for vertical spacial 
> hearing.
> The Play Three and Play 5 can both also function as either a stereo speaker 
> (laid horizontally,, or as the individual side of a stereo pair (laid 
> vertically). Just set it up in the Sonos app.
> 
> My fiancé wanted to hire someone to set up the system, so I agreed that if I 
> could not figure it out fairly quickly, we would bring in an installer. I am 
> good with this sort of thing, but set-up is so simple that she could do it.
> 
> We purchased a PlayBar, two Play Threes, and three Play Ones. I was 
> originally going to match the Play Threes with the PlayBar, but the store 
> only had one in stock, so we put the single Play Three in the bedroom (where 
> I was going to put a Play One. That would leave a play One for the bathroom 
> and a play One for our office. The Play Ones worked so nicely with the 
> PlayBar that the office was upgraded to the other Play Three. Oh, the family 
> room also has the Sonos Sub. I really like this Sub. It is a brick. The 
> speakers are inside and face each other. This allows for excellent deep base 
> without any sub rattling. Sonos says it is because the two speakers facing 
> each other cancels the rattle distortion out.
> 
> All the speakers can play the same thing, or each room can play different 
> things, and changing is very easy in the app. My sighted partner absolutely 
> loves the simplicity of the app. I love its accessibility.
> 
> Sonos states stereo pairs may only be created between two speakers of same 
> type. So, one could use a play Three as center speaker, two Play Fives as 
> front stereo speakers, and two Play Ones or Threes as surrounds, with the Sub 
> for proper 5.1 sound, or one can use the PlayBar for the front with the Sub 
> and surrounds. Sonos performs all the calculations for excellent sound 
> internally within all the speakers. They sound quite good, and my fiancé says 
> they sync perfectly with the visuals.
> 
> When we first started playing music through the surround system, the Play 
> Ones were set on surround enhance mode. I changed it in the Sonos app to have 
> the surrounds act as full speakers for music playback. Sonos remembers the 
> change, and switches automatically depending on whether source is video or 
> music. And, for set-up / video sound, it is just a digital optical cable from 
> the TV to the playBar. Sonos uses the wifi in the house to create its own 
> network. However, if there is no wifi network, the speakers can be connected 
> together with cat5 cables.
> 
> As for sound, I have heard better speakers. A good friend has a pair which 
> cost him $4,000 per speaker. Those sound fantastic. Sonos is not quite that 
> good, and does not play anywhere near as loud. But, they sound better than 
> anything I have owned before. They have excellent sound definition and 
> excellent sound and frequency separation. Each speaker in the unit has its 
> own digital amplifier, and this makes a significant difference. Also, Sonos 
> regularly and automatically rolls out updates. The system updates late at 
> night when not working, and they improve automatically.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +61 488 988 936
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 1/12/2016, at 13:59, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, so I’m looking for the Christmas gift for my Uncle who has everything.  
>> I happen to know he doesn’t have a good home theater though and he likes his 
>> music and TV.  I was looking at the Sonos system and I’m a little unsure how 
>> this works.  I was looking at the play 5.  Do you need two of these for 
>> stereo or do 

Re: Question about the Sonos products

[David Chittenden]

Well, we have not noticed a delay from one end of the house to the other.

Partner has decided she wants the play threes to be the surrounds, so am now. I 
am reconfiguring now.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

> On 1/12/2016, at 21:51, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hey David,
> 
> The sub woofer is a beast yes,
> 
> I was looking at the next step for my sound system and whether or not I could 
> have the play bar and 2 subs 
> 
> See if it would work, no one can tell me 
> 
> But yeah they are bloody easy to setup and use,
> 
> Add more units to a room and then pair each pair together 
> If you play them all as one synced room the sound is syncing perfectly,
> If theaudio comes through different speakers in different rooms then there 
> will be a delay.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden
> Sent: Thursday, 1 December 2016 3:39 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Question about the Sonos products
> 
> Hi Scott,
> 
> We recently set up a Sonos system.
> 
> The Play One is a small speaker. It can do basic stereo sound, or it can work 
> as part of a pair, or as part of a 5.1 surround system. I am not sure about 
> part of a 7.1 system, and Sonos does not yet do upmos for vertical spacial 
> hearing.
> The Play Three and Play 5 can both also function as either a stereo speaker 
> (laid horizontally,, or as the individual side of a stereo pair (laid 
> vertically). Just set it up in the Sonos app.
> 
> My fiancé wanted to hire someone to set up the system, so I agreed that if I 
> could not figure it out fairly quickly, we would bring in an installer. I am 
> good with this sort of thing, but set-up is so simple that she could do it.
> 
> We purchased a PlayBar, two Play Threes, and three Play Ones. I was 
> originally going to match the Play Threes with the PlayBar, but the store 
> only had one in stock, so we put the single Play Three in the bedroom (where 
> I was going to put a Play One. That would leave a play One for the bathroom 
> and a play One for our office. The Play Ones worked so nicely with the 
> PlayBar that the office was upgraded to the other Play Three. Oh, the family 
> room also has the Sonos Sub. I really like this Sub. It is a brick. The 
> speakers are inside and face each other. This allows for excellent deep base 
> without any sub rattling. Sonos says it is because the two speakers facing 
> each other cancels the rattle distortion out.
> 
> All the speakers can play the same thing, or each room can play different 
> things, and changing is very easy in the app. My sighted partner absolutely 
> loves the simplicity of the app. I love its accessibility.
> 
> Sonos states stereo pairs may only be created between two speakers of same 
> type. So, one could use a play Three as center speaker, two Play Fives as 
> front stereo speakers, and two Play Ones or Threes as surrounds, with the Sub 
> for proper 5.1 sound, or one can use the PlayBar for the front with the Sub 
> and surrounds. Sonos performs all the calculations for excellent sound 
> internally within all the speakers. They sound quite good, and my fiancé says 
> they sync perfectly with the visuals.
> 
> When we first started playing music through the surround system, the Play 
> Ones were set on surround enhance mode. I changed it in the Sonos app to have 
> the surrounds act as full speakers for music playback. Sonos remembers the 
> change, and switches automatically depending on whether source is video or 
> music. And, for set-up / video sound, it is just a digital optical cable from 
> the TV to the playBar. Sonos uses the wifi in the house to create its own 
> network. However, if there is no wifi network, the speakers can be connected 
> together with cat5 cables.
> 
> As for sound, I have heard better speakers. A good friend has a pair which 
> cost him $4,000 per speaker. Those sound fantastic. Sonos is not quite that 
> good, and does not play anywhere near as loud. But, they sound better than 
> anything I have owned before. They have excellent sound definition and 
> excellent sound and frequency separation. Each speaker in the unit has its 
> own digital amplifier, and this makes a significant difference. Also, Sonos 
> regularly and automatically rolls out updates. The system updates late at 
> night when not working, and they improve automatically.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +61 488 988 936
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 1/12/2016, at 13:59, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, so I’m looking for the Christmas gift for my Uncle who has everything.  
>> I happen to know he doesn’t have a good home theater though and he likes his 
>> music and TV.  I was looking at the Sonos system and I’m a little unsure 

requesting help on how to get VO to stop saying clickable when reading

[Michael Marshall]

hey all,
i once remembered how to do this but i can not for the life of me remember what 
setting to change so voiceover does not say clickable when reading text on some 
web pages
any help would be fantastic.



thanks


Michael 

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Re: Verizon versus AT, new phone and questions.

[David Chittenden]

Yeah, it depends on the company and the plan. My former Vodafone plan was $80 
per month. It gave me unlimited calling to NZ and Aus. My Vodafone Aus plan 
only gave me unlimited calling to Aus for $50 per month. NZ gave me 3.5 GB data 
per month. Aus gave me 5 GB data. In both cases, the data was just for whilst 
in that particular country.

I left Vodafone Aus in Sep and moved to Telstra in Aus. The plan is more 
expensive, but I have unlimited calling and unlimited calls whilst roaming for 
several countries. I have not seen a similar in NZ. My new plan gives me 30 GB 
whilst in Aus and 1.5 GB whilst outside Aus. So, I have a prepay plan with just 
a few mins for calls in NZ, and 1.25 GB of data for NZ.

The US has better plans, and no data caps when using land-based internet. Also, 
their speeds are higher. That said, Europe is even better.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

> On 1/12/2016, at 21:03, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi David,
>  
> Yeah but in austrailia they get cheaper plans with the same call / plan 
> bebefits
>  
> I pay 80 dollars per month in nz for my plan and a friend pays 50 austrailian 
> dollars for the same plan except she gets 2 gig more data than I do.otherwise 
> the same.
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden
> Sent: Wednesday, 30 November 2016 11:32 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Verizon versus AT, new phone and questions.
>  
> Yes, this is sort of correct.
>  
> However, in the US, pricing does not include state and/or local sales tax. 
> So, the pricing is, in all but a few states, 7 to 15 higher than the posted 
> price. In NZ and Australia, the price that one pays is the price listed. 
> Australia is less expensive than NZ. Australia has 10 GST, which is included 
> in the posted price. NZ has 15 GST which is posted in the price. When the 
> numbers are run including sales tax for the state, the prices become just a 
> little bit less expensive. The same is true between NZ and Australia. I, of 
> course, enjoy purchasing in Aus as the price is about 6 less. Apple builds a 
> buffer in for currency fluctuations.
>  
> Kind regards,
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 30/11/2016, at 21:46, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> The 16 gig SE is $749.00 NZ dollars.
>  
> And they go up from there.
> The 256 7+ is around the 1800.00 NZ dollar mark,
>  
> We get  kind of screwed with apple pricing here.
>  
> When the apple ear pods are released they will be $269.00
> In the states I believe they are priced at around 160.00
>  
>  
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Wednesday, 30 November 2016 7:17 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Verizon versus AT, new phone and questions.
>  
> I’d help out with that if it saved you money. We get them for $799, $899 and 
> $999 I believe US dollars. Figure the exchange rate and your import taxes.
>  
>  
> On Nov 29, 2016, at 2:38 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>  
> Hey Dad, what about me?
>  
> I’ll be your son!
>  
> Just looking at apples pricing,
>  
> I’m wondering how much cheaper it would be for me to buy iPhones from apple 
> USA and then get them shipped to NZ.
> I think I might still get them cheaper
>  
> Could get my neaces and nepthew a new phone each.
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Tuesday, 29 November 2016 4:12 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Verizon versus AT, new phone and questions.
>  
> Yeah for Christmas.  A 128 7+ for Mom and 2 256 gig 7+ models for my Son and 
> Uncle.
>  
> I can buy them through T-Mobile but will probably go direct to Apple for 
> unlocked versions.
>  
> On Nov 28, 2016, at 2:25 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>  
> Sorry scott,
>  
> Don’t think I heard this right,
> Did you say that your buying a few iPhones for xmas?
>  
> Man they must be bloody cheap if your buying a few over there!
>  
> What phones would you buy people for xmas?
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
> On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Monday, 28 November 2016 11:47 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Verizon versus AT, new phone and questions.
>  
> Honestly, it sounds like the way to go if you buy from Apple is just to buy 
> the unlocked version.  You get the better modem and the most options.  I’m 
> going to buy a few iPhones for Christmas will probably go that route myself.
>  
>  
> On Nov 27, 2016, at 5:39 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>  
> Sorry for the miss information. I was stuck on the 

RE: Question about the Sonos products

[Simon Fogarty]

David,

 Do you have a name for some of the speaker stands for the play ones?

 I'm looking for stands or even better wal brackets.


-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of David Chittenden
Sent: Thursday, 1 December 2016 3:42 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Question about the Sonos products

I almost forgot, the speakers can stand on any surface. I will eventually 
purchase small speaker stands for the play One surrounds as the current tables 
put them two low in relation to the couch.

They can be purchased online, at Best Buy, or many other retailers. And Amazon 
sells them, of course.

Kind regards,

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +61 488 988 936
Sent from my iPhone

> On 1/12/2016, at 13:59, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Hi, so I’m looking for the Christmas gift for my Uncle who has everything.  I 
> happen to know he doesn’t have a good home theater though and he likes his 
> music and TV.  I was looking at the Sonos system and I’m a little unsure how 
> this works.  I was looking at the play 5.  Do you need two of these for 
> stereo or do you get stereo sound from 1?  Also, to do 5.1 am I reading on 
> their site correctly that I’d put a play bar under the TV, run an optical 
> line to that and then put to play 5 speakers in the back of the room?  Can I 
> pair more than 2 say 4 if I want to simulate 7.1 or is 5.1 the limit?  I know 
> the app is accessibility from the list here but how is it for sited users, 
> very simple?  Anything else I should get with these like speaker stands or 
> how do they mount, do you need special brackets?  Any pointers would be most 
> appreciated.  This looks really cool actually I might have to get one and 
> have another accidentally fall in to the cart.  Can you try these out at Best 
> Buy or other stores or they only available online?  Any input would be most 
> appreciated.
> 
> Thanks
> Scott
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RE: Question about the Sonos products

[Simon Fogarty]

Hey David,

 The sub woofer is a beast yes,

 I was looking at the next step for my sound system and whether or not I could 
have the play bar and 2 subs 

 See if it would work, no one can tell me 

 But yeah they are bloody easy to setup and use,

 Add more units to a room and then pair each pair together 
If you play them all as one synced room the sound is syncing perfectly,
If theaudio comes through different speakers in different rooms then there will 
be a delay.

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of David Chittenden
Sent: Thursday, 1 December 2016 3:39 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Question about the Sonos products

Hi Scott,

We recently set up a Sonos system.

The Play One is a small speaker. It can do basic stereo sound, or it can work 
as part of a pair, or as part of a 5.1 surround system. I am not sure about 
part of a 7.1 system, and Sonos does not yet do upmos for vertical spacial 
hearing.
The Play Three and Play 5 can both also function as either a stereo speaker 
(laid horizontally,, or as the individual side of a stereo pair (laid 
vertically). Just set it up in the Sonos app.

My fiancé wanted to hire someone to set up the system, so I agreed that if I 
could not figure it out fairly quickly, we would bring in an installer. I am 
good with this sort of thing, but set-up is so simple that she could do it.

We purchased a PlayBar, two Play Threes, and three Play Ones. I was originally 
going to match the Play Threes with the PlayBar, but the store only had one in 
stock, so we put the single Play Three in the bedroom (where I was going to put 
a Play One. That would leave a play One for the bathroom and a play One for our 
office. The Play Ones worked so nicely with the PlayBar that the office was 
upgraded to the other Play Three. Oh, the family room also has the Sonos Sub. I 
really like this Sub. It is a brick. The speakers are inside and face each 
other. This allows for excellent deep base without any sub rattling. Sonos says 
it is because the two speakers facing each other cancels the rattle distortion 
out.

All the speakers can play the same thing, or each room can play different 
things, and changing is very easy in the app. My sighted partner absolutely 
loves the simplicity of the app. I love its accessibility.

Sonos states stereo pairs may only be created between two speakers of same 
type. So, one could use a play Three as center speaker, two Play Fives as front 
stereo speakers, and two Play Ones or Threes as surrounds, with the Sub for 
proper 5.1 sound, or one can use the PlayBar for the front with the Sub and 
surrounds. Sonos performs all the calculations for excellent sound internally 
within all the speakers. They sound quite good, and my fiancé says they sync 
perfectly with the visuals.

When we first started playing music through the surround system, the Play Ones 
were set on surround enhance mode. I changed it in the Sonos app to have the 
surrounds act as full speakers for music playback. Sonos remembers the change, 
and switches automatically depending on whether source is video or music. And, 
for set-up / video sound, it is just a digital optical cable from the TV to the 
playBar. Sonos uses the wifi in the house to create its own network. However, 
if there is no wifi network, the speakers can be connected together with cat5 
cables.

As for sound, I have heard better speakers. A good friend has a pair which cost 
him $4,000 per speaker. Those sound fantastic. Sonos is not quite that good, 
and does not play anywhere near as loud. But, they sound better than anything I 
have owned before. They have excellent sound definition and excellent sound and 
frequency separation. Each speaker in the unit has its own digital amplifier, 
and this makes a significant difference. Also, Sonos regularly and 
automatically rolls out updates. The system updates late at night when not 
working, and they improve automatically.

Kind regards,

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +61 488 988 936
Sent from my iPhone

> On 1/12/2016, at 13:59, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Hi, so I’m looking for the Christmas gift for my Uncle who has everything.  I 
> happen to know he doesn’t have a good home theater though and he likes his 
> music and TV.  I was looking at the Sonos system and I’m a little unsure how 
> this works.  I was looking at the play 5.  Do you need two of these for 
> stereo or do you get stereo sound from 1?  Also, to do 5.1 am I reading on 
> their site correctly that I’d put a play bar under the TV, run an optical 
> line to that and then put to play 5 speakers in the back of the room?  Can I 
> pair more than 2 say 4 if I want to simulate 7.1 or is 5.1 the limit?  I know 
> the app is accessibility from the list here but how is it for sited users, 
> very simple?  Anything else I should get with these 

RE: Question about the Sonos products

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Donna,

 Screw the neighbours,

 You surely can play your audio in your own way?

 I have 4 play one speakers in my living room and one in my bedroom 
 I normally sit out side in the sun on a nice day and share my music with the 
neighbourhood 

  Matellica, iron maidan 
Aero smith, pink Floyd
AC DC  
You name it and it's loud 

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
Sent: Thursday, 1 December 2016 2:34 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Question about the Sonos products

Lol!  When my husband was in high school, he built four speakers with a friend 
of his.  The speakers are ginormous.  They horrify my mother, who cares a lot 
about what things look like.  They stand about five feet tall--my husband was 
and is into horns.  They pretty much dominate the room, but I've never heard a 
better set of speakers.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Nov 30, 2016, at 7:20 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Oh for those days. Up until fairly recently, we had a store like that in 
> town. I went down there and was then sorry I did, because I so wanted the 
> magna planers. But there was no way they would fit in anybody's house that 
> cares about what things look like. I don't of course, but others do. If 
> you're lucky, and your Best Buy has one of those high and Magnolia rooms or 
> whatever they call it, you might find the Sonos in there, and that should be 
> a better listening experience than simply going to the home theater section 
> in your regular Best Buy store. Good luck with that.
> 
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 30, 2016, at 5:15 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> Ah very good I will do that.  Nice to know you can try them out.  I miss the 
>> old days of small boutique audio stores where you could make an appointment 
>> and try out the gear with out having to try to hear it over the car stereo 
>> section or the piles of televisions and cooking demonstrations etc.:). 
>> Thanks for the pointer
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 30, 2016, at 8:06 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hey Scott,
>>> 
>>> I don't have the play five, so can't answer many of your questions. But 
>>> yes, you can try them out at Best Buy. And I will tell you that when I 
>>> tried them out at Best Buy, I like the sound of the play one the best. My 
>>> recommendation would be that before you purchase anything you go to Best 
>>> Buy and listen to the different options.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Nov 30, 2016, at 6:59 PM, Scott Granados  
 wrote:
 
 Hi, so I’m looking for the Christmas gift for my Uncle who has everything. 
  I happen to know he doesn’t have a good home theater though and he likes 
 his music and TV.  I was looking at the Sonos system and I’m a little 
 unsure how this works.  I was looking at the play 5.  Do you need two of 
 these for stereo or do you get stereo sound from 1?  Also, to do 5.1 am I 
 reading on their site correctly that I’d put a play bar under the TV, run 
 an optical line to that and then put to play 5 speakers in the back of the 
 room?  Can I pair more than 2 say 4 if I want to simulate 7.1 or is 5.1 
 the limit?  I know the app is accessibility from the list here but how is 
 it for sited users, very simple?  Anything else I should get with these 
 like speaker stands or how do they mount, do you need special brackets?  
 Any pointers would be most appreciated.  This looks really cool actually I 
 might have to get one and have another accidentally fall in to the cart.  
 Can you try these out at Best Buy or other stores or they only available 
 online?  Any input would be most appreciated.
 
 Thanks
 Scott
 
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RE: Question about the Sonos products

[Simon Fogarty]

Oh Yeah scott,
 The play ones you can pair up to like 32 units in one place.

 The threes and fives  I think are something similar,

 Yes also to have two devices in a stereo pair that way your keeping things in 
order.

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Sent: Thursday, 1 December 2016 2:13 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Question about the Sonos products

Hi Scott, like Donna, I also don't have this system. But from what I have read, 
you want the sound bar and the sub and a pair of either play ones or play 
threes for your surround. Play five in that setting would be overkill. 
According to what I read, you cannot set up the play five as a surround pair 
and then also use them as a stereo pair, if all you want to do is play music 
through them. So, best to go for something smaller for your surrounds.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 30, 2016, at 4:59 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Hi, so I’m looking for the Christmas gift for my Uncle who has everything.  I 
> happen to know he doesn’t have a good home theater though and he likes his 
> music and TV.  I was looking at the Sonos system and I’m a little unsure how 
> this works.  I was looking at the play 5.  Do you need two of these for 
> stereo or do you get stereo sound from 1?  Also, to do 5.1 am I reading on 
> their site correctly that I’d put a play bar under the TV, run an optical 
> line to that and then put to play 5 speakers in the back of the room?  Can I 
> pair more than 2 say 4 if I want to simulate 7.1 or is 5.1 the limit?  I know 
> the app is accessibility from the list here but how is it for sited users, 
> very simple?  Anything else I should get with these like speaker stands or 
> how do they mount, do you need special brackets?  Any pointers would be most 
> appreciated.  This looks really cool actually I might have to get one and 
> have another accidentally fall in to the cart.  Can you try these out at Best 
> Buy or other stores or they only available online?  Any input would be most 
> appreciated.
> 
> Thanks
> Scott
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RE: Question about the Sonos products

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Scott,

 Yes all of the above.

 Two play fives would be better,
 But in my head it would be the play bar at the front center and then a play 
five in each front corner,

 Then put a set of play ones or play 3 in the rear corners 
So you have a 5 speaker setup,

 If you want a .1 then you'll need the sub woofer as well.

 But you could get away quite nicely with the play fives and the play bar  by 
themselves,

 Put the fives in the rear corners and the bar as you said under the tv will 
give you a pretty dam good surround sound 

 As for speaker stands,
I've not seen one for the sonos speakers and they are a crazy shape to put on a 
stand,more of a rectangular box slightly wedged towards the back of the speaker.

Each speaker needs a power socket to by the way,

 As for use by a sighted person,

 Hell if we have no trouble then he'd have no trouble.

I'd highly suggest if it was possible 
Go in to your nearest sonos sales store and take a selection of music and get 
them to show you the speakers in action with the configuration your thinking of 

That way you get an idea of the real sounds from the speaker units.



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On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Thursday, 1 December 2016 2:00 PM
To: MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via 
Subject: Question about the Sonos products

Hi, so I’m looking for the Christmas gift for my Uncle who has everything.  I 
happen to know he doesn’t have a good home theater though and he likes his 
music and TV.  I was looking at the Sonos system and I’m a little unsure how 
this works.  I was looking at the play 5.  Do you need two of these for stereo 
or do you get stereo sound from 1?  Also, to do 5.1 am I reading on their site 
correctly that I’d put a play bar under the TV, run an optical line to that and 
then put to play 5 speakers in the back of the room?  Can I pair more than 2 
say 4 if I want to simulate 7.1 or is 5.1 the limit?  I know the app is 
accessibility from the list here but how is it for sited users, very simple?  
Anything else I should get with these like speaker stands or how do they mount, 
do you need special brackets?  Any pointers would be most appreciated.  This 
looks really cool actually I might have to get one and have another 
accidentally fall in to the cart.  Can you try these out at Best Buy or other 
stores or they only available online?  Any input would be most appreciated.

Thanks
Scott

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RE: Apple AirPods release rumor from Tim Cook email

[Simon Fogarty]

Yeah,

Great,
I’m not happy,
That was posted yesterday so when was the email sent back to the inquiring 
customer?

I’m off to austrailia in a week just for a few days of relaxing,
If I could get them from duty free along with my exprsso vodka then life would 
be all good.
In otherw words childs tantram

I want my new ea ear ods  and I want them Now, not later!

But thanks for the heads up.

Last I heard was a phone call to apple customer care asking when they were 
going to be out and why are they delayed.

Response was they weren’t happy with them and wished to correct the bugs

Which is’t a bad thing
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Thursday, 1 December 2016 9:00 AM
To: MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via 
Subject: Apple AirPods release rumor from Tim Cook email

Looks like Tim Cook does answer  customer email once in a while.  Read this 
Redmond pie article for more on the AirPods release.

http://www.redmondpie.com/apple-airpods-release-date-tipped-by-tim-cook-in-email-to-customer/

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RE: Stereo speaker setup for a kitchen accessible with Voiceover

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Chris,

 Yeah man, although that's NZ dollars and we pay more than the rest of the 
world for things.

 But apart from the vietnamies they can do what you asked.

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Sent: Thursday, 1 December 2016 12:33 AM
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Subject: Re: Stereo speaker setup for a kitchen accessible with Voiceover

3? hundred? for a bluetooth speaker? Wo! Baby! That thing better be able to do 
the dishes, my clothes, my coffee, and sing to me in vietnamese whilst doing so!
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From: "Nektarios Mallas" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2016 4:33 PM
Subject: Re: Stereo speaker setup for a kitchen accessible with Voiceover


Hi there.
Have you thought of a decent blue tooth speaker? In my kitchen I use a big 
jamb ox which I think sounds very good, and it is around $300.
or it was, when I got it
The other thing you can do is to get an airport express and then connect 
this to any speakers or amps you want without limitations.

Nektarios.

> On 29 Nov 2016, at 23:28, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
>
> Listers,
>
> I have a request.  Many of you are audio buffs.  What would you advise to 
> use to set up in an accessible way for a kitchen system, not terribly 
> expensive, two speakers so that I can airplay to them and control them 
> with Voiceover from an ipad or iphone?  I'd obviously like as good a 
> quality but can't spend an awful lot either.  Any tips/suggestions?
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RE: Stereo speaker setup for a kitchen accessible with Voiceover

[Simon Fogarty]

And Chris you forgot that they are bloody simple to setup and use.

I'm thinking of getting a couple of new play 1s  but the stainless steel ones 
or silver what ever they are,

 Hang them on the wall in my lounge.

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On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Thursday, 1 December 2016 12:31 AM
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Subject: Re: Stereo speaker setup for a kitchen accessible with Voiceover

Does it have to be Airplay? If not, I'd really suggest two Play1 speakers from 
Sonos, and right now, until the 31st of December, they're even on sale, and 
yes, they can be controlled with an iOS device, and of corse are completely 
wireless.

http://www.sonos.com

If you get them, let me know. I love mine, and would be more than happy to help 
you one on one with getting them set up.
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Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2016 4:28 PM
Subject: Stereo speaker setup for a kitchen accessible with Voiceover


Listers,

I have a request.  Many of you are audio buffs.  What would you advise to 
use to set up in an accessible way for a kitchen system, not terribly 
expensive, two speakers so that I can airplay to them and control them with 
Voiceover from an ipad or iphone?  I'd obviously like as good a quality but 
can't spend an awful lot either.  Any tips/suggestions?

Andrew

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RE: Verizon versus AT, new phone and questions.

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi David,

Yeah but in austrailia they get cheaper plans with the same call / plan bebefits

I pay 80 dollars per month in nz for my plan and a friend pays 50 austrailian 
dollars for the same plan except she gets 2 gig more data than I do.otherwise 
the same.

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On Behalf Of David Chittenden
Sent: Wednesday, 30 November 2016 11:32 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Verizon versus AT, new phone and questions.

Yes, this is sort of correct.

However, in the US, pricing does not include state and/or local sales tax. So, 
the pricing is, in all but a few states, 7 to 15 higher than the posted price. 
In NZ and Australia, the price that one pays is the price listed. Australia is 
less expensive than NZ. Australia has 10 GST, which is included in the posted 
price. NZ has 15 GST which is posted in the price. When the numbers are run 
including sales tax for the state, the prices become just a little bit less 
expensive. The same is true between NZ and Australia. I, of course, enjoy 
purchasing in Aus as the price is about 6 less. Apple builds a buffer in for 
currency fluctuations.

Kind regards,

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
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On 30/11/2016, at 21:46, Simon Fogarty 
> wrote:
The 16 gig SE is $749.00 NZ dollars.

And they go up from there.
The 256 7+ is around the 1800.00 NZ dollar mark,

We get  kind of screwed with apple pricing here.

When the apple ear pods are released they will be $269.00
In the states I believe they are priced at around 160.00



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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Wednesday, 30 November 2016 7:17 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Verizon versus AT, new phone and questions.

I’d help out with that if it saved you money. We get them for $799, $899 and 
$999 I believe US dollars. Figure the exchange rate and your import taxes.


On Nov 29, 2016, at 2:38 AM, Simon Fogarty 
> wrote:

Hey Dad, what about me?

I’ll be your son!

Just looking at apples pricing,

I’m wondering how much cheaper it would be for me to buy iPhones from apple USA 
and then get them shipped to NZ.
I think I might still get them cheaper

Could get my neaces and nepthew a new phone each.
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Tuesday, 29 November 2016 4:12 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Verizon versus AT, new phone and questions.

Yeah for Christmas.  A 128 7+ for Mom and 2 256 gig 7+ models for my Son and 
Uncle.

I can buy them through T-Mobile but will probably go direct to Apple for 
unlocked versions.

On Nov 28, 2016, at 2:25 AM, Simon Fogarty 
> wrote:

Sorry scott,

Don’t think I heard this right,
Did you say that your buying a few iPhones for xmas?

Man they must be bloody cheap if your buying a few over there!

What phones would you buy people for xmas?

From: 
macvisionaries@googlegroups.com[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com]
 On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Monday, 28 November 2016 11:47 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Verizon versus AT, new phone and questions.

Honestly, it sounds like the way to go if you buy from Apple is just to buy the 
unlocked version.  You get the better modem and the most options.  I’m going to 
buy a few iPhones for Christmas will probably go that route myself.


On Nov 27, 2016, at 5:39 PM, Mary Otten 
> wrote:

Sorry for the miss information. I was stuck on the part about how the T-Mobile 
and AT phone won't work on Verizon, but the reverse course as Scott points 
out, is not the case.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 27, 2016, at 2:16 PM, Scott Granados 
> wrote:
Hi Phil, few things to note here.  If you buy the verizon version of the phone 
or the Unlocked version you can switch to any network you wish.  The unlocked 
and Verizon versions all support CDMA and use the Qualcomm chip, the GSM only 
versions like the AT and T-Mobile do not support CDMA so in your case you’ll 
have the maximum choices available.  Remember also that Verizon always ships 
their phones unlocked so you’re in good shape if you ever decide to change 
networks again and you want to use this phone.
Next, in order of coverage, Verizon and AT are very similar, both 
are major US carriers so you’re in 

RE: Stereo speaker setup for a kitchen accessible with Voiceover

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Andrew,

 Yes I have to admit I've noticed that also, I just got into the habit of 
killing the app and then reopening things from start.

 I keep meaning to email UE and mention the fact that with the roll you can't 
use the speaker to to have a phone call with phone audio coming through the UE 
Roll speaker.

 Just need to ask them about setting the speaker up to push phone call or 
speaker phone audio out throught eh speaker instead of cutting it off.



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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Andrew Lamanche
Sent: Wednesday, 30 November 2016 10:52 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Stereo speaker setup for a kitchen accessible with Voiceover

With the UE Roll app, I don't seem to be able to go back to the previous 
screen.  The back button just doesn't seem to be visible to Vocieover.  I had 
written to UE over a year ago and they promised to improve accessibility but 
have never done so in the subsequent releases.  I've just written to them 
again, rather impatiently.

Many thanks to all of you for the info. I will go with UE boom.

Andrew
> On 30 Nov 2016, at 09:34, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Andrew,
> 
> On my phone the UE Mega Boom is ok, not perfect but pretty bloody good 
> in my book, I've had no reall issues with it but then I haven't needed to 
> modify anything so haven’t worried about it other than checking every couple 
> of weeks for updates.
> 
> Oh and I also have the UE Roll 2 device for it's portability and ease to 
> carry it around in my bag.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Lamanche
> Sent: Wednesday, 30 November 2016 10:24 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Stereo speaker setup for a kitchen accessible with 
> Voiceover
> 
> Ok, I've had a small UE Roll speaker and it worked very well but I found UE 
> roll up inaccessible. How do you find UE app that goes with the UE Boom?
>> On 29 Nov 2016, at 21:57, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> I can't think of anything cheap right now that does airplay. If you're 
>> willing to go for Bluetooth, you might find nice prices on UE megaboom or 
>> boom two, and if you get two of them they can be paired with the help of 
>> their app which you can find on the app store Amazon had a nice prices over 
>> the last few days here in the US.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Nov 29, 2016, at 1:28 PM, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Listers,
>>> 
>>> I have a request.  Many of you are audio buffs.  What would you advise to 
>>> use to set up in an accessible way for a kitchen system, not terribly 
>>> expensive, two speakers so that I can airplay to them and control them with 
>>> Voiceover from an ipad or iphone?  I'd obviously like as good a quality but 
>>> can't spend an awful lot either.  Any tips/suggestions?
>>> 
>>> Andrew
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