Re: [MBZ] Ebay 300SDL with level control
What makes you think it has level control? If you are talking about the tank under the hood, that is for the ASD. These did not have level control, only the 560 did (US cars). Oops. But couldn't (at least rear) level control be special ordered for the other 126 cars? I thought it could, tho' it was expensive, a hassle and thus, rare. Tony Wirtel ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Projekt-Wagen 2 w/ ALDA interchangeability question
Ah - that makes more sense! On Nov 27, 2007 12:54 AM, Kevin Kraly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I doubt that you're going to find an ALDA in a w115 car, I believe that the W115 reference was for the Projektwagen #1's parts needs. :-) -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ebay 300SDL with level control
I believe you could order the level control on any 126 body but few did. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin, work Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 7:55 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ebay 300SDL with level control Not on US cars. Only the 560 had it AFAIK. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: Tony Wirtel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 6:32 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ebay 300SDL with level control What makes you think it has level control? If you are talking about the tank under the hood, that is for the ASD. These did not have level control, only the 560 did (US cars). Oops. But couldn't (at least rear) level control be special ordered for the other 126 cars? I thought it could, tho' it was expensive, a hassle and thus, rare. Tony Wirtel ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ebay 300SDL with level control
Not on US cars. Only the 560 had it AFAIK. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: Tony Wirtel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 6:32 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ebay 300SDL with level control What makes you think it has level control? If you are talking about the tank under the hood, that is for the ASD. These did not have level control, only the 560 did (US cars). Oops. But couldn't (at least rear) level control be special ordered for the other 126 cars? I thought it could, tho' it was expensive, a hassle and thus, rare. Tony Wirtel ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] EPC hardware
The website indicates that it does not cover the 460 series ( Gwagen ) . Can someone please check if it accepts datacard for Vin WDB46033227021345? Peter CapeTown South Africa Anyone prepared to loan me their log on credentials ? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ebay 300SDL with level control
I have never seen anything saying you could. Anybody got any definate info? --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 8:05 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ebay 300SDL with level control I believe you could order the level control on any 126 body but few did. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Projekt-Wagen 2 w/ ALDA interchangeability question
Yeah. PNP trip was mainly for the 115, but there is a 123 w/ a 617...but, alas, it was non-turbo, so there was no ALDA to snatch. With 3 great PNPs now open in KC, there will be plenty more opportunities. FYI - the fenders off a 1972 220D are NOT the same as a 1975 240D (both 115)...slightly different - forget the exact chassis extensions 115.something and 115.something else. Anyway, got some other goodies. Chris OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ah - that makes more sense! On Nov 27, 2007 12:54 AM, Kevin Kraly wrote: I doubt that you're going to find an ALDA in a w115 car, I believe that the W115 reference was for the Projektwagen #1's parts needs. :-) -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -1985 300SD, 368K km, Wulf -1992 350 Ram Wagon, 58K miles, The Behemoth -1975 240D manual, W115, Projekt-Wagen 1 -1980 300SD, W116, Projekt-Wagen 2 - Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Projekt-Wagen 2 w/ ALDA interchangeability question
A'yup, I believe '73 was the cutoff year for the W115 body changes. On Nov 27, 2007 6:39 AM, Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FYI - the fenders off a 1972 220D are NOT the same as a 1975 240D (both 115)...slightly different - forget the exact chassis extensions 115.something and 115.something else. Anyway, got some other goodies. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Projekt-Wagen 2 w/ ALDA interchangeability question
Right, and the hood and grille are also different. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 8:39 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Projekt-Wagen 2 w/ ALDA interchangeability question Yeah. PNP trip was mainly for the 115, but there is a 123 w/ a 617...but, alas, it was non-turbo, so there was no ALDA to snatch. With 3 great PNPs now open in KC, there will be plenty more opportunities. FYI - the fenders off a 1972 220D are NOT the same as a 1975 240D (both 115)...slightly different - forget the exact chassis extensions 115.something and 115.something else. Anyway, got some other goodies. Chris OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ah - that makes more sense! On Nov 27, 2007 12:54 AM, Kevin Kraly wrote: I doubt that you're going to find an ALDA in a w115 car, I believe that the W115 reference was for the Projektwagen #1's parts needs. :-) -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -1985 300SD, 368K km, Wulf -1992 350 Ram Wagon, 58K miles, The Behemoth -1975 240D manual, W115, Projekt-Wagen 1 -1980 300SD, W116, Projekt-Wagen 2 - Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oil draining and sucking
IIRC the largest electric heaters sold are like 1500 watts which is something just over 5000BTU. A propane salemander heater is something like 50,000 BTU... Which reminds me, I've got a kerosene one on the farm, I should bring that to my house. It doesn't do much good on the farm since theres no electricity to power it... -Curt Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 16:00:58 -0600 From: R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Oil draining and sucking To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I have one of those electric construction heaters with a coil and a fan in the middle. However, my garage is uninsulated and the ceiling is open to a big attic. I need to close the ceiling off and put some insulation in. Then I could probably warm it sufficiently to work in there a bit when I needed to. Wouldn't be hot but does not need to be. A new garage door wouldn't hurt either since mine is metal and not insulated. Just another one of those projects that has been on the list for many years. When it is warm enough to work on it, one does not and when it is too cold, one wishes one had done so. I used to be tougher too. I can recall changing the thermostat in my wife's car when it was -25F with a floodlight bulb in a socket hung over my hands to keep them from freezing. I think now I would just take it too a garage and have it done but a few years back I did it all myself. Randy - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT 87 Ford F350
What kind of HP does a 87 6.9 have? What sort of mileage might one expect out of one with a 4 speed? When was the changeover to the 7.3(?) --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D
Manual. Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 16:16:52 -0600 From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Is your 190D auto or stick? - Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D
I need to get that one I have back on the road soon. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 7:59 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D Manual. Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 16:16:52 -0600 From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Is your 190D auto or stick? - Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] best drainage strategy
The pills Hendrik, take the pills... Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 09:46:49 +1030 From: Hendrik Fay [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] best drainage strategy To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed You obviously have not been paying attention have you, the problem is that the oil pump takes a few seconds to prime and during this time there is no oil circulating. If you leave the car overnight more oil will drain off the internals and leave them exposed to harsh metal on metal action. That is why I recommend drain hot to get as much oil out as quickly as possible, change filter, fill with fresh oil and start the motor. This leaves a little oil on the internals to help protect them during the time the oil pump primes up. As an example then engine in my 230E is getting a bit tired and the valve train likes to rattle a bit in the morning before the oil gets up there, however doing an oil change my way there is no/very little rattle while the oil pump primes because there is a coating of oil on the lifters. Doing it your way the lifters would rattle for a good 5 seconds. That's my theory. However as stated before you are entitled to do an oil change any which way you see fit. Sure you may be right and either way you gain very little in the way of engine life but I like to do things to the best of my ability and not just do what's easy. Doing things the easy and perhaps incorrect way leads to laziness, mediocrity and loss of self esteem. It's like a mediocre driver instruction system leads to mediocre drivers, sure some are better than others because they taking driving seriously. Hendrik - Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT 87 Ford F350
I have a diesel 6.9 F250 4-speed manual. It gets 13-14 mpg when empty. 13-14 mpg when full, and 13-14 mpg when pulling a 4-ton Bobcat. Overall, I'd say it gets 13-14 mpg. -Dave Walton On Nov 27, 2007 9:56 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin (CAT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What kind of HP does a 87 6.9 have? What sort of mileage might one expect out of one with a 4 speed? When was the changeover to the 7.3(?) --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D
Rocketship. Seriously I had them both back to back, '83 240D replaced by an '85 190D. The 190D is faster, handles better, turns tighter and starts easier in cold weather. Best mileage I've had was 32mpg on the 240D and 43mpg on the 190D. Both were of course extreme occurances. I averaged 28mpg on the 240D and around 38 on the 190D. I drove the 240 about 60,000 miles and I've put maybe 45,000 on the 190D so far. -Curt Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 20:24:51 -0600 From: OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 How does a 190D stick compare to a stick 240D w123? On Nov 26, 2007 2:51 PM, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A 190D 2.2L is a race car compared to a 123 body 240D with an automatic transmission. Tom www.kegkits.com -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager - Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Parking car in gear
The only time I've ever used the parking brake on a hillstop was my driving test... One foot on the brake, the other on the clutch. Release clutch until the engine starts to labor, release brake, quick dance to the throttle. In the case of a 240D MASH throttle to floor, continue releasing clutch -Curt Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 22:05:28 -0700 From: Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Parking car in gear To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 09:27:35 +1030 Hendrik Fay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hendrik who likes the RHD 123 dash mounted hand brake and wonders how you do a smooth hill start in a manual car with a foot operated park brake (eg. the 124's) Make sure the foot operated brake is well set. Put transmission in neutral. Depress clutch. Start engine and put transmission in gear. Let out clutch and feed throttle to keep engine RPMs up. Feel car lift off parking brake and start to move forward. Pull parking (emergency) brake release knob and drive off smoothly.\ Works every time. Craig - Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] VW TDi question
A brother sent me the following query regarding his VW TDi: I had my VW Beetle TDi serviced at 105,000 miles. The fuel filter was replaced ($90.14) as well as the mass air flow sensor ($358.08). The service advisor also recommended replacing the exhaust manifold which is clogged with carbon deposits ($745.00). The engine has been sluggish lately, so I don't doubt the diagnosis. I was wondering if you have experienced similar problems with your M-B turbo diesels. Any advice would be appreciated. TIA, I'll forward any knowledgeable suggestions to him. G. M. Brown Brevard, NC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] VW TDi question
Glenn Brown wrote: A brother sent me the following query regarding his VW TDi: I had my VW Beetle TDi serviced at 105,000 miles. The fuel filter was replaced ($90.14) as well as the mass air flow sensor ($358.08). The service advisor also recommended replacing the exhaust manifold which is clogged with carbon deposits ($745.00). The engine has been sluggish lately, so I don't doubt the diagnosis. I was wondering if you have experienced similar problems with your M-B turbo diesels. Any advice would be appreciated. TIA, I'll forward any knowledgeable suggestions to him. I would find someone who would clean the manifolds (if the exhaust is clogged the EGR has clogged the intake as well) instead of replace them. Seems pretty silly and expensive to me. He should probably look around for a good indy. Tell him to check out www.tdiclub.com They have a good forum there and they might be able to help more. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] VW TDi question
Tell him he should ask the dealer to go for a ride on his new boat. I suspect it's a big one. My sister-in-law has 2 TDI's. The fuel filters cost $30, Air Flow sensor is $100. -Dave Walton On Nov 27, 2007 10:41 AM, Glenn Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A brother sent me the following query regarding his VW TDi: I had my VW Beetle TDi serviced at 105,000 miles. The fuel filter was replaced ($90.14) as well as the mass air flow sensor ($358.08). The service advisor also recommended replacing the exhaust manifold which is clogged with carbon deposits ($745.00). The engine has been sluggish lately, so I don't doubt the diagnosis. I was wondering if you have experienced similar problems with your M-B turbo diesels. Any advice would be appreciated. TIA, I'll forward any knowledgeable suggestions to him. G. M. Brown Brevard, NC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Rant
Thanksgiving morning early my wife went cycling at this park in West Houston. Some sh*thead smashed the passenger side window in her Suburban, stole her phone, purse, etc. she left in there. So Fri I call the dealer to see if they could do a replacement, they had to order the glass, came yesterday. So I take the truck in, $400some ($200 labor) later it is fixed, she is happy. But when I pick it up, I go look at it to make sure everything done OK, and the glass is filthy -- grease, fingerprints, oily film on it. I go in and ask the service person there if it was expecting too much that for $400some they might think to clean the glass. The service person wants to know if I want them to detail the truck. No, maybe someone could get a couple of paper towels and some windex and take 3 minutes to clean it? Oh, someone made a mistake, should have washed it, but they are gone now, call back tomorrow. You can't go find some windex and paper towels? No, I can't leave. How about that guy that just drove it out? Oh, I can go try to find him if you want... If you can go try to find him, how about just finding some glass cleaner and some towels? Well if you come back tomorrow they will take care of it. Why would I want to come back here tomorrow, take another hour or two to deal with this? By then the daughter unit, who came with me to drive it home, has taken off. 10AM and no call yet from the service manager. Am I crazy? Are my expectations too high? --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rant
I think theirs [of themselves] are too low. A note to management might not hurt. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rich Thomas Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 11:03 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Rant Thanksgiving morning early my wife went cycling at this park in West Houston. Some sh*thead smashed the passenger side window in her Suburban, stole her phone, purse, etc. she left in there. So Fri I call the dealer to see if they could do a replacement, they had to order the glass, came yesterday. So I take the truck in, $400some ($200 labor) later it is fixed, she is happy. But when I pick it up, I go look at it to make sure everything done OK, and the glass is filthy -- grease, fingerprints, oily film on it. I go in and ask the service person there if it was expecting too much that for $400some they might think to clean the glass. The service person wants to know if I want them to detail the truck. No, maybe someone could get a couple of paper towels and some windex and take 3 minutes to clean it? Oh, someone made a mistake, should have washed it, but they are gone now, call back tomorrow. You can't go find some windex and paper towels? No, I can't leave. How about that guy that just drove it out? Oh, I can go try to find him if you want... If you can go try to find him, how about just finding some glass cleaner and some towels? Well if you come back tomorrow they will take care of it. Why would I want to come back here tomorrow, take another hour or two to deal with this? By then the daughter unit, who came with me to drive it home, has taken off. 10AM and no call yet from the service manager. Am I crazy? Are my expectations too high? --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] lost contact
Pardon my general call here, but once more computer problems have cost me many saved emails. I need to get in touch with our lister in Hawthorne. Please contact me off list. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks - BillR Jacksonville FL 1981 300SD 296k miles ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oil draining and sucking
This is one of the box shaped heaters advertised as construction heaters. It is 3000 Watts on 220V with a fan in the middle of the coil. There are 4500W models too but I am a bit limited on power to the garage - total 30Amps 220V so if I want to run anything but the heater I have to limit to the smaller one. Have considered the propane or kerosene heaters too but the cost of operation is a bit steep if one uses it much. Would cheerfully put in a woodstove if I had enough space to give it some clear area around it. Have more wood than we know what to do with out at the lake and usually come back empty with the pickup when I haul stuff out there so could easily bring back some firewood. Installation cost would be a bit if one bought an approved stove and chimney but then operation cost would be minimal. Can't really do much in any event until I close the ceiling and insulate. Otherwise all I do is melt the snow off of the roof. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 7:59 AM To: Diesel List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Oil draining and sucking IIRC the largest electric heaters sold are like 1500 watts which is something just over 5000BTU. A propane salemander heater is something like 50,000 BTU... Which reminds me, I've got a kerosene one on the farm, I should bring that to my house. It doesn't do much good on the farm since theres no electricity to power it... -Curt Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 16:00:58 -0600 From: R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Oil draining and sucking To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I have one of those electric construction heaters with a coil and a fan in the middle. However, my garage is uninsulated and the ceiling is open to a big attic. I need to close the ceiling off and put some insulation in. Then I could probably warm it sufficiently to work in there a bit when I needed to. Wouldn't be hot but does not need to be. A new garage door wouldn't hurt either since mine is metal and not insulated. Just another one of those projects that has been on the list for many years. When it is warm enough to work on it, one does not and when it is too cold, one wishes one had done so. I used to be tougher too. I can recall changing the thermostat in my wife's car when it was -25F with a floodlight bulb in a socket hung over my hands to keep them from freezing. I think now I would just take it too a garage and have it done but a few years back I did it all myself. Randy - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oil draining and sucking
There is another type of insulation like the pink fiberglass stuff too. Around here it is sort of gray green color. Superior in every way except price. Won't burn. Sheds water. Provides better sound resistance etc. Saw a demonstration of it a while back and was impressed. A bit more expensive but still cheaper than the high density Styrofoam stuff. I like it but I don't think there is much advantage to it unless one is looking for something thin. I have considered gluing the blue or pink Styrofoam to the metal door on my garage. The only down side is that it is not fire resistant and it would off gas some unpleasant stuff if it was ever to catch fire. There are blanket type things with fiberglass inside a plastic bag that are available to attach to a garage door as well. Or one could make their own. A friend did that with poly, insulation and one of those doodads for sealing food bags. It only did a foot at a time but he said it did not take long to make up insulation bags. He was using them in an old house with a stone basement and was concerned about water leakage damaging the insulation. Sealing inside the poly improved his odds in that way. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of LarryT Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 5:35 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Oil draining and sucking I just checked prices on styrofoam (like) sheet insulation in 4'x8' - Home Depot has it for $9-$10 each. Once my new metal 3 car garage is done I;ll start installing them (once I buy them) ;-) and I hear they are *very* effective. Will insulate the ceiling and walls. The foam sheets are easy to install buy I haven't compared prices with the pink insulation - which I dislike because it always gets in my skin.. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 5:00 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Oil draining and sucking I have one of those electric construction heaters with a coil and a fan in the middle. However, my garage is uninsulated and the ceiling is open to a big attic. I need to close the ceiling off and put some insulation in. Then I could probably warm it sufficiently to work in there a bit when I needed to. Wouldn't be hot but does not need to be. A new garage door wouldn't hurt either since mine is metal and not insulated. Just another one of those projects that has been on the list for many years. When it is warm enough to work on it, one does not and when it is too cold, one wishes one had done so. I used to be tougher too. I can recall changing the thermostat in my wife's car when it was -25F with a floodlight bulb in a socket hung over my hands to keep them from freezing. I think now I would just take it too a garage and have it done but a few years back I did it all myself. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Rich Thomas Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 2:01 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Oil draining and sucking Go rent one of those big space heaters that looks like a jet engine and turn it towards the car, let it go for 15 min or so, will warm up the garage a bit too, and you in it. Then finish up and take the heater back, feeling more relaxed and calmer. I live in Texas now so don't have to deal with that sort of thing much any more, but when I lived near Boston, I would occasionally have to resort to that approach. Cheap money. --R R A Bennell wrote: Yesterday made me wish my car was slightly newer. My 115 has to have the filter element changed from underneath. I waited a bit too long ( I have changed the oil at Halloween the past couple of years when I put it away for winter) and the weather has turned cold here - about 5F yesterday. I plugged it in for a bit and got it warm enough to start up. Let it idle long enough to come up to temperature and then messed about with the coolant before doing the oil. I guess I let it cool a little too much as the oil took forever to drain out of the oil pan. The main amount came out like it should but then it just trickled out for a half an hour. I finally got tired of waiting and put the plug back in so I could pull the filter. Got that out and a new one in the canister etc. Then ran into trouble trying to get the darned thing back on the car. Too tight under there. I'm getting old and fat and I finally had to give up and haul out the floor jack to give myself a bit more room. Still couldn't get the filter to start. Difficult to do under there. By now it was supper time. Dark and cold and although I was in the garage, I had the
Re: [MBZ] taught
Even here in relatively flat land most parking lots are tilted to provide drainage. One of our F150's was hit by a car that rolled across the parking lot at a local strip mall last fall. The insurance people were miserable about it all because the fellow whose car hit our truck suggested my son had bumped his car and caused it to roll. Did not make much sense as our truck was parked facing the other way across a traffic lane. The car just rolled backwards and hit our truck. No real damage to our bumper but the truck was higher so the car - a Saturn - suffered some damage - broken tail light lense etc. Insurance did finally back off and agree that we were not at fault. I had to go and take photos of the lot to show the adjuster that there was enough slope to permit the car to roll since the fellow must have left it in neutral - a manual tranny. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Timothy Robinson Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 5:35 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] taught I was always warned not to use parking brake (non-MB) in the winter as the cable would often freeze up? On a manual trans was always told 1st or preferably reverse. A friend's wife rushed into grocery a few years back and absentmindedly forgot to put the car in gear or engage the parking brake. When she shut the door and the vacume locked down it was just enough of a jolt to cause the car to start rolling. She could only watch the thing roll backwards and pancake off an embankment. Beautiful 300D. Insurance called it a total loss. on 11/26/07 6:07 PM, R A Bennell at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For those that do not know, I am on the prairies. A friend once said one could tell I did not originate here as I set the parking brake when I got out of the car. He said true flatlanders never bothered because one did not need to. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Robert Rentfro Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 4:20 PM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] taught By someone whose word...regarding anything... I took as Gospel when I was very young. It then became habit. Never really questioned it because it never was an issue. I find myself using the e-brake less and less these days Bob R. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 2:35 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] taught Isn't there also pressure against a pin/stop of some sort? I was always taught to use park with e-brake. And, when on a hill/slope, e-brake and neutral with no park. Taught by whom? RLE ** Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop000301) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rant
If the servive manager hasn't call back, I;d call the general manager - if he doesnt respond find out who *his* boss is. The few times a dealer worked on my cars they have washed the whole vehicle and vacuumed it also - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 11:02 AM Subject: [MBZ] Rant Thanksgiving morning early my wife went cycling at this park in West Houston. Some sh*thead smashed the passenger side window in her Suburban, stole her phone, purse, etc. she left in there. So Fri I call the dealer to see if they could do a replacement, they had to order the glass, came yesterday. So I take the truck in, $400some ($200 labor) later it is fixed, she is happy. But when I pick it up, I go look at it to make sure everything done OK, and the glass is filthy -- grease, fingerprints, oily film on it. I go in and ask the service person there if it was expecting too much that for $400some they might think to clean the glass. The service person wants to know if I want them to detail the truck. No, maybe someone could get a couple of paper towels and some windex and take 3 minutes to clean it? Oh, someone made a mistake, should have washed it, but they are gone now, call back tomorrow. You can't go find some windex and paper towels? No, I can't leave. How about that guy that just drove it out? Oh, I can go try to find him if you want... If you can go try to find him, how about just finding some glass cleaner and some towels? Well if you come back tomorrow they will take care of it. Why would I want to come back here tomorrow, take another hour or two to deal with this? By then the daughter unit, who came with me to drive it home, has taken off. 10AM and no call yet from the service manager. Am I crazy? Are my expectations too high? --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.8/1154 - Release Date: 11/27/2007 11:40 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D
I really enjoy mine. Took it to my parent's house in Maine last week, a round trip of around 300 miles. -Curt Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 08:59:43 -0600 From: Kaleb C. Striplin, work [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original I need to get that one I have back on the road soon. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor - Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] VW TDi question
A bad mass air sensor will cause the car to be sluggish. The computer does not inject as much fuel as it should. Same thing happened on my 99 E300. I pulled the engine on a 2001 Jetta TDI to replace the transmission. From what I saw, carbon does not accumulate in the exhaust manifold. Those cars a real PITA to work on. Everything is squeezed in with very little room to work. I much prefer the MB's. -Dave Walton On Nov 27, 2007 10:41 AM, Glenn Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A brother sent me the following query regarding his VW TDi: I had my VW Beetle TDi serviced at 105,000 miles. The fuel filter was replaced ($90.14) as well as the mass air flow sensor ($358.08). The service advisor also recommended replacing the exhaust manifold which is clogged with carbon deposits ($745.00). The engine has been sluggish lately, so I don't doubt the diagnosis. I was wondering if you have experienced similar problems with your M-B turbo diesels. Any advice would be appreciated. TIA, I'll forward any knowledgeable suggestions to him. G. M. Brown Brevard, NC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] VW TDi question
On Nov 27, 2007 7:48 AM, John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would find someone who would clean the manifolds (if the exhaust is clogged the EGR has clogged the intake as well) instead of replace them. Seems pretty silly and expensive to me. He should probably look around for a good indy. The VW TDIs, at least the late-'90s 1.9 liter engines with which I'm familiar, are notorious for clogging the manifolds with soot due to overzealous EGR, much like the 603 engine. They can indeed be cleaned. It's not difficult, just time-consuming and messy. Like John says, find a good indy mechanic---anyone with TDI experience will be familiar with the process. Will cost a few bucks but not as much as brand-new manifolds (typical dealer solution---like burning down your house to get rid of a termite infestation!). Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT 87 Ford F350
On Nov 27, 2007 7:04 AM, dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a diesel 6.9 F250 4-speed manual. It gets 13-14 mpg when empty. 13-14 mpg when full, and 13-14 mpg when pulling a 4-ton Bobcat. Overall, I'd say it gets 13-14 mpg. Twice as good as the big-block gasser 390, in other words! (My electrician was driving one the other day and I had to ask.) Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT 87 Ford F350
dave walton wrote: I have a diesel 6.9 F250 4-speed manual. It gets 13-14 mpg when empty. 13-14 mpg when full, and 13-14 mpg when pulling a 4-ton Bobcat. ...which is way better than a friend's F250/6.9/C6 that had been converted to a dually. Top speed on that rig was in the 60's and mpg rarely hit double digits. Both mph and mpg were likely limited by short gearing. I believe HP was in the neighborhood of 160-170 when new. AFAIK there were no factory turbo 6.9s. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rant
I talked to the service guy (I called him) and he was apologetic, did not know why it wasn't cleaned (or the whole car was not washed) offered an oil change. I can do that myself quicker than I go there, wait, come home, deal with them, and I know it is actually done and correctly. I suggested the service manager call me, which he did awhile ago, told me how good his tech was and that he did a good job, did not know why he did not finish it. At this point I guess there is not a whole lot more to be said, but it still just really p's me off. I need to get over it. --R LarryT wrote: If the servive manager hasn't call back, I;d call the general manager - if he doesnt respond find out who *his* boss is. The few times a dealer worked on my cars they have washed the whole vehicle and vacuumed it also - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 11:02 AM Subject: [MBZ] Rant Thanksgiving morning early my wife went cycling at this park in West Houston. Some sh*thead smashed the passenger side window in her Suburban, stole her phone, purse, etc. she left in there. So Fri I call the dealer to see if they could do a replacement, they had to order the glass, came yesterday. So I take the truck in, $400some ($200 labor) later it is fixed, she is happy. But when I pick it up, I go look at it to make sure everything done OK, and the glass is filthy -- grease, fingerprints, oily film on it. I go in and ask the service person there if it was expecting too much that for $400some they might think to clean the glass. The service person wants to know if I want them to detail the truck. No, maybe someone could get a couple of paper towels and some windex and take 3 minutes to clean it? Oh, someone made a mistake, should have washed it, but they are gone now, call back tomorrow. You can't go find some windex and paper towels? No, I can't leave. How about that guy that just drove it out? Oh, I can go try to find him if you want... If you can go try to find him, how about just finding some glass cleaner and some towels? Well if you come back tomorrow they will take care of it. Why would I want to come back here tomorrow, take another hour or two to deal with this? By then the daughter unit, who came with me to drive it home, has taken off. 10AM and no call yet from the service manager. Am I crazy? Are my expectations too high? --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.8/1154 - Release Date: 11/27/2007 11:40 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cleaning enigine inside with synthetic oil
In recent issues, some have remarked that Mobil 1 or (maybe) similar synthetic oils will clean out interior engine nasties, or words to that effect. Is that for real? I'm talking about the black almost crusty crap that may accumulate on interior engine surfaces. I'd like to hear from someone who claims to have actually done it. Assuming it is for real, how does one use it for this purpose? Change oil and filter, obviously. Then run for how long? How many miles/change oil and filter cycles are thought needful? In a past life I knew a fellow who would pour the same gallon of diesel through an engine repeatedly for this purpose with engine initially warm but not running. He would change the diesel when he thought it was nasty enough and quit when he stopped getting black nasties dissolved or suspended in fresh diesel.d Does anyone have any comment on that? Does anyone have a recommended other procedure for the same purpose? Thanks all. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oil draining and sucking
3000 watts is still, as you know, squat, like 10,000 BTUs, a salemander type will do 5 times that easy. I think the suggestion was to rent a heater just so you don't have to freeze your bum off while fixing the car. I would not think it a wise idea to leave the car all winter with no oil in it. -Curt Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 10:53:02 -0600 From: R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Oil draining and sucking To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 This is one of the box shaped heaters advertised as construction heaters. It is 3000 Watts on 220V with a fan in the middle of the coil. There are 4500W models too but I am a bit limited on power to the garage - total 30Amps 220V so if I want to run anything but the heater I have to limit to the smaller one. Have considered the propane or kerosene heaters too but the cost of operation is a bit steep if one uses it much. Would cheerfully put in a woodstove if I had enough space to give it some clear area around it. Have more wood than we know what to do with out at the lake and usually come back empty with the pickup when I haul stuff out there so could easily bring back some firewood. Installation cost would be a bit if one bought an approved stove and chimney but then operation cost would be minimal. Can't really do much in any event until I close the ceiling and insulate. Otherwise all I do is melt the snow off of the roof. Randy - Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rant
I don't know who you talked to wheh you picked it up, but I can't figure out why that person didn't just grab a bottle of something and a rag and clean your window right then and there. It's what I would have done, and it wouldn't have mattered if I was a manager, a writer, or even a mechanic who had nothing to do with your truck. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Parking car in gear
On Nov 26, 2007 3:21 PM, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As for the suggestion to leave the lever in neutral so that the lever wouldn't get stuck in 'P' if the parking brake didn't hold on a hill, would you rather return to your car to find tension on the parking pawl, or perhaps it's better to find your car not where you left it if the p-brake doesn't hold? The 'P' on the tranny is there for redundancy in case the p-brake fails. Using it *except* when on a hill where it might be useful is silly. Ditto. Like the street signs in San Francisco say, CURB WHEELS - SET CAR IN GEAR! Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] VW TDi question
Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The VW TDIs, at least the late-'90s 1.9 liter engines with which I'm familiar, are notorious for clogging the manifolds with soot due to overzealous EGR, much like the 603 engine. Can the EGR be disabled with a BB like an OM617? Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] VW TDi question
I believe the computer requires more trickery in order to disable the EGR. IIRC, the computer throws a fault code and goes into limp mode if it detects that the EGR is no longer functioning. I'm sure some of the 'puter wizzes over at the TDI Club have figured out a way around this by now. On Nov 27, 2007 9:54 AM, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The VW TDIs, at least the late-'90s 1.9 liter engines with which I'm familiar, are notorious for clogging the manifolds with soot due to overzealous EGR, much like the 603 engine. Can the EGR be disabled with a BB like an OM617? Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rant
Exactly. There is no service ethic anywhere, anymore, that I can detect among the proles. There was only one service writer there, a woman, who appeared to be marginally competent but could not leave her desk/phone, etc (though she did say she could go try to find someone, but it baffled her when I suggested if she could do that then maybe she could just deal with it) and the checkout chicas barely hablaed anglais and didn't seem to understand why this was an issue, so that was a waste too. Anyway, daughter unit had taken off by then, so moot issue at that point. Oh well, enough on this... --R Mitch Haley wrote: I don't know who you talked to wheh you picked it up, but I can't figure out why that person didn't just grab a bottle of something and a rag and clean your window right then and there. It's what I would have done, and it wouldn't have mattered if I was a manager, a writer, or even a mechanic who had nothing to do with your truck. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rant
No, you're not. Call the General Manager NOW and tell him you're looking at Dodge and Ford because they have better customer service. I deal with crap like this all the time at work. Start the $#!T ball as high as you can and watch it roll down hill. Luther On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 10:02:53 -0600, Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanksgiving morning early my wife went cycling at this park in West Houston. Some sh*thead smashed the passenger side window in her Suburban, stole her phone, purse, etc. she left in there. So Fri I call the dealer to see if they could do a replacement, they had to order the glass, came yesterday. So I take the truck in, $400some ($200 labor) later it is fixed, she is happy. But when I pick it up, I go look at it to make sure everything done OK, and the glass is filthy -- grease, fingerprints, oily film on it. I go in and ask the service person there if it was expecting too much that for $400some they might think to clean the glass. The service person wants to know if I want them to detail the truck. No, maybe someone could get a couple of paper towels and some windex and take 3 minutes to clean it? Oh, someone made a mistake, should have washed it, but they are gone now, call back tomorrow. You can't go find some windex and paper towels? No, I can't leave. How about that guy that just drove it out? Oh, I can go try to find him if you want... If you can go try to find him, how about just finding some glass cleaner and some towels? Well if you come back tomorrow they will take care of it. Why would I want to come back here tomorrow, take another hour or two to deal with this? By then the daughter unit, who came with me to drive it home, has taken off. 10AM and no call yet from the service manager. Am I crazy? Are my expectations too high? --R -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) '82 300CD (166 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cleaning enigine inside with synthetic oil
Robert Bigham [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In recent issues, some have remarked that Mobil 1 or (maybe) similar synthetic oils will clean out interior engine nasties, or words to that effect. Is that for real? I'm talking about the black almost crusty crap that may accumulate on interior engine surfaces. I'd like to hear from someone who claims to have actually done it. Assuming it is for real, how does one use it for this purpose? It's a slow process. Just switch to synthetic. If you know that the motor is really dirty change the filter often, maybe every thousand miles or so, a few times. May take tens of thousands of miles to really clean everything out. No, I've never torn down an engine to verify that it's clean. But enough knowledgable people (e.g. Marshall) have made the cleaning claim about Mobil 1 that I have no reason to doubt it. In a past life I knew a fellow who would pour the same gallon of diesel through an engine repeatedly for this purpose with engine initially warm but not running. He would change the diesel when he thought it was nasty enough and quit when he stopped getting black nasties dissolved or suspended in fresh diesel.d I've heard of using transmission fluid (e.g. drain the oil and fill with transmission fluid), and running at idle speed only, to clean up stuck rings, etc. I don't think I'd do it unless the only other option was a rebuild, but some people have reported success. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 126 Hazard Switch
Not that I've had to use it, but I cannot get the hazard lught function on my 83 300SD to function. I've tried two switches and checked, replaced fuses with no effect. Turn the switch on and nothing, and no turn indicators. With the swicth in the off position turn indicators work fine. Definitely not the same set-up as the 123. Anybody have word of wisdom or guidance? Thanks, Fred Johnson Chicago 1977 240D 1983 300SD 1991 A/R 164L 1996 Civic Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. http://overview.mail.yahoo.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT 87 Ford F350
So it will have more power than a GM 6.2? --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 11:38 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT 87 Ford F350 dave walton wrote: I have a diesel 6.9 F250 4-speed manual. It gets 13-14 mpg when empty. 13-14 mpg when full, and 13-14 mpg when pulling a 4-ton Bobcat. ...which is way better than a friend's F250/6.9/C6 that had been converted to a dually. Top speed on that rig was in the 60's and mpg rarely hit double digits. Both mph and mpg were likely limited by short gearing. I believe HP was in the neighborhood of 160-170 when new. AFAIK there were no factory turbo 6.9s. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT, fluid in a TV?
So my Phillips Magnavox 60 bigscreen that I have had for about 8 years has been acting up. Had somebody come out and look at it today and they say it needs a new high voltage (?) signal board, and some sort of cooling fluid or something is cloudy which causes the picture to be not as good as it should be. I have never heard of fluid in a TV. They want $1200 to fix it so I will probably be looking for a HDTV from the info I got in the last thread about TV's. I imagine I will go the DLP route. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT, fluid in a TV?
That is a projection TV, with 3 big CRTs that put out a lot of light and heat. They probably do have some sort of coolant (silicone?) to keep them from melting, and maybe it is like auto fluids that just use up their capabilities after a time of heating/cooling cycles. Not sure why that would affect the picture, but it sounds sorta reasonable. Perhaps you could try some of the German synthetic blinker fluid? Boards go bad too, temp cycling kills components. All the big retailers are fighting hard for your dollar, time to go work them over good. You might want to wait a coupla weeks to just before Christmas when they are reaching hard, then get a 30day price guarantee and keep an eye on post-Christmas prices. Sams Club had some nice TVs at decent prices on Saturday. Wifey was wanting a flat screen for the BR, they had some good prices on Vizios so I got a 32 LCD 720P. The display had no price on it, but there was a folded up paper there next to it, which I looked at to see if it was a price. Turns out it was an internal email listing about 40 products they were putting out with killer prices, on Friday (THIS IS BIG!! it said). Those TVs were on the list. While I was looking at it, some other guy came by and got one also. It looks very nice, kind of a mid-range quality and price it appears, and has some interesting features. Good for BR. It also found a bunch of the digital cable channels and HD channels too, without a cable box, but on weird numbers so I have to make up a menu for it. Or I might have to get another box now. They had some cheap DVD players too that upconvert and have HDMI connections, have not hooked that up yet. Merry Christmas to me! --R Kaleb C. Striplin (CAT) wrote: So my Phillips Magnavox 60 bigscreen that I have had for about 8 years has been acting up. Had somebody come out and look at it today and they say it needs a new high voltage (?) signal board, and some sort of cooling fluid or something is cloudy which causes the picture to be not as good as it should be. I have never heard of fluid in a TV. They want $1200 to fix it so I will probably be looking for a HDTV from the info I got in the last thread about TV's. I imagine I will go the DLP route. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT, fluid in a TV?
in this age, there is always the option of fixing it yourself on the cheap. normally you can get a service manual and used parts easily and cheaply on ebay. it's like old mac laptops. $1200 to fix via apple. $27 to fix yourself. but my guess is that you know this already and really just want an excuse to upgrade. On 11/27/07, Kaleb C. Striplin (CAT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So my Phillips Magnavox 60 bigscreen that I have had for about 8 years has been acting up. Had somebody come out and look at it today and they say it needs a new high voltage (?) signal board, and some sort of cooling fluid or something is cloudy which causes the picture to be not as good as it should be. I have never heard of fluid in a TV. They want $1200 to fix it so I will probably be looking for a HDTV from the info I got in the last thread about TV's. I imagine I will go the DLP route. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] VW TDi question
Zeitgeist wrote: I believe the computer requires more trickery in order to disable the EGR. IIRC, the computer throws a fault code and goes into limp mode if it detects that the EGR is no longer functioning. I'm sure some of the 'puter wizzes over at the TDI Club have figured out a way around this by now. IIRC, you have to buy a ~$400 setup that allows you to re-program the factory settings. You basically set exhaust gas recirc. flow to zero and all is well. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] VW TDi question
You must be referring to the VAG-COM software. I don't think it's quite that much, but maybe so. On Nov 27, 2007 11:22 AM, John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Zeitgeist wrote: I believe the computer requires more trickery in order to disable the EGR. IIRC, the computer throws a fault code and goes into limp mode if it detects that the EGR is no longer functioning. I'm sure some of the 'puter wizzes over at the TDI Club have figured out a way around this by now. IIRC, you have to buy a ~$400 setup that allows you to re-program the factory settings. You basically set exhaust gas recirc. flow to zero and all is well. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT, fluid in a TV?
Just some places to look around for deals on new TVs... http://slickdeals.net/ http://dealnews.com/ http://www.fatwallet.com/c/18/ For a data point, it seems that 42 1080P TVs are going for ~1000 pretty regularly. Lots of other good stuff there as well :) John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] VW TDi question
Zeitgeist wrote: You must be referring to the VAG-COM software. I don't think it's quite that much, but maybe so. Yep! Couldn't remember the name... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT, fluid in a TV?
you don't have to know anything. you just research it online and they tell you how. you can then decide whether the job is too much for you or not. On 11/27/07, Kaleb C. Striplin, work [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I dont know the first thing about fixing tv's. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 1:20 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, fluid in a TV? in this age, there is always the option of fixing it yourself on the cheap. normally you can get a service manual and used parts easily and cheaply on ebay. it's like old mac laptops. $1200 to fix via apple. $27 to fix yourself. but my guess is that you know this already and really just want an excuse to upgrade. On 11/27/07, Kaleb C. Striplin (CAT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So my Phillips Magnavox 60 bigscreen that I have had for about 8 years has been acting up. Had somebody come out and look at it today and they say it needs a new high voltage (?) signal board, and some sort of cooling fluid or something is cloudy which causes the picture to be not as good as it should be. I have never heard of fluid in a TV. They want $1200 to fix it so I will probably be looking for a HDTV from the info I got in the last thread about TV's. I imagine I will go the DLP route. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] VW TDi question
Speaking of VAG, when I was at that VW shop closing auction, I bought this big case of cables that says something like VAG 1598 or something like that. I will take a picture but what the hell is it. If I cant use it on anything MB, I will probably ebay it. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: Zeitgeist [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 1:25 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] VW TDi question You must be referring to the VAG-COM software. I don't think it's quite that much, but maybe so. On Nov 27, 2007 11:22 AM, John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Zeitgeist wrote: I believe the computer requires more trickery in order to disable the EGR. IIRC, the computer throws a fault code and goes into limp mode if it detects that the EGR is no longer functioning. I'm sure some of the 'puter wizzes over at the TDI Club have figured out a way around this by now. IIRC, you have to buy a ~$400 setup that allows you to re-program the factory settings. You basically set exhaust gas recirc. flow to zero and all is well. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT, fluid in a TV?
Im probably going to be looking for somthing in the 60 or so range since that is what my old TV is. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 1:25 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, fluid in a TV? Just some places to look around for deals on new TVs... http://slickdeals.net/ http://dealnews.com/ http://www.fatwallet.com/c/18/ For a data point, it seems that 42 1080P TVs are going for ~1000 pretty regularly. Lots of other good stuff there as well :) John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] VW TDi question
Glenn Brown wrote: A brother sent me the following query regarding his VW TDi: I had my VW Beetle TDi serviced at 105,000 miles. The fuel filter was replaced ($90.14) as well as the mass air flow sensor ($358.08). The service advisor also recommended replacing the exhaust manifold which is clogged with carbon deposits ($745.00). The engine has been sluggish lately, so I don't doubt the diagnosis. I was wondering if you have experienced similar problems with your M-B turbo diesels. Any advice would be appreciated. TIA, I'll forward any knowledgeable suggestions to him. Found an FAQ answer at TDI Club http://tdiclub.com/TDIFAQ/TDiFAQ-7.html#g ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT, fluid in a TV?
Kaleb C. Striplin, work wrote: Im probably going to be looking for somthing in the 60 or so range since that is what my old TV is. If it is in a dark(ish) room get a projector. Then you get a 100 screen. :) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT, fluid in a TV?
I wonder if those no name ones at sams will last though? Somebody posted a list of good brands and ones to stay away from. Might have to see if I can find that. Yea, I think he said it was for cooling or something. I guess it projects thru this fluid and if it clouds the pic is not as good. Anyway, he said those Phillips Magnavox tvs were junk when new. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 1:18 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, fluid in a TV? That is a projection TV, with 3 big CRTs that put out a lot of light and heat. They probably do have some sort of coolant (silicone?) to keep them from melting, and maybe it is like auto fluids that just use up their capabilities after a time of heating/cooling cycles. Not sure why that would affect the picture, but it sounds sorta reasonable. Perhaps you could try some of the German synthetic blinker fluid? Boards go bad too, temp cycling kills components. All the big retailers are fighting hard for your dollar, time to go work them over good. You might want to wait a coupla weeks to just before Christmas when they are reaching hard, then get a 30day price guarantee and keep an eye on post-Christmas prices. Sams Club had some nice TVs at decent prices on Saturday. Wifey was wanting a flat screen for the BR, they had some good prices on Vizios so I got a 32 LCD 720P. The display had no price on it, but there was a folded up paper there next to it, which I looked at to see if it was a price. Turns out it was an internal email listing about 40 products they were putting out with killer prices, on Friday (THIS IS BIG!! it said). Those TVs were on the list. While I was looking at it, some other guy came by and got one also. It looks very nice, kind of a mid-range quality and price it appears, and has some interesting features. Good for BR. It also found a bunch of the digital cable channels and HD channels too, without a cable box, but on weird numbers so I have to make up a menu for it. Or I might have to get another box now. They had some cheap DVD players too that upconvert and have HDMI connections, have not hooked that up yet. Merry Christmas to me! --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cleaning enigine inside with synthetic oil
Ideally you want to use an oil with lots of detergents thats good at suspending crud and depositing it in the filter. Synthetic oil is great at that. However that said I'm sure good diesel oils are also quite good. My 190D was badly gunked up. Early oil analysis indicated very high iron levels. However after a couple changes and hard driving the iron levels started to come down and now (nearly 2 years later) are normal at 10,000 mile intervals. If I had another badly gunked up engine I'd probably run conventional oil in it and change at 3,000 miles. If that sample showed high levels of any bad stuff I'd run conventional again until the gunk levels (iron and such) came under control, then I'd switch to synthetic and work up to a longer interval. -Curt Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 12:39:27 -0600 From: Robert Bigham [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cleaning enigine inside with synthetic oil To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII In recent issues, some have remarked that Mobil 1 or (maybe) similar synthetic oils will clean out interior engine nasties, or words to that effect. Is that for real? I'm talking about the black almost crusty crap that may accumulate on interior engine surfaces. I'd like to hear from someone who claims to have actually done it. Assuming it is for real, how does one use it for this purpose? Change oil and filter, obviously. Then run for how long? How many miles/change oil and filter cycles are thought needful? In a past life I knew a fellow who would pour the same gallon of diesel through an engine repeatedly for this purpose with engine initially warm but not running. He would change the diesel when he thought it was nasty enough and quit when he stopped getting black nasties dissolved or suspended in fresh diesel.d Does anyone have any comment on that? Does anyone have a recommended other procedure for the same purpose? Thanks all. - Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT, fluid in a TV?
I dont know the first thing about fixing tv's. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 1:20 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, fluid in a TV? in this age, there is always the option of fixing it yourself on the cheap. normally you can get a service manual and used parts easily and cheaply on ebay. it's like old mac laptops. $1200 to fix via apple. $27 to fix yourself. but my guess is that you know this already and really just want an excuse to upgrade. On 11/27/07, Kaleb C. Striplin (CAT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So my Phillips Magnavox 60 bigscreen that I have had for about 8 years has been acting up. Had somebody come out and look at it today and they say it needs a new high voltage (?) signal board, and some sort of cooling fluid or something is cloudy which causes the picture to be not as good as it should be. I have never heard of fluid in a TV. They want $1200 to fix it so I will probably be looking for a HDTV from the info I got in the last thread about TV's. I imagine I will go the DLP route. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rant
Sounds like you experienced the DMV Syndrome, which is defined as: They think you need them and that they don't need you, so they don't have to be nice. Not trying to stir the embers, but I am a huge stickler for customer service, and I would be ticked too. Just remember it probably wasn't personal. Brian On 11/27/07, Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanksgiving morning early my wife went cycling at this park in West Houston. Some sh*thead smashed the passenger side window in her Suburban, stole her phone, purse, etc. she left in there. So Fri I call the dealer to see if they could do a replacement, they had to order the glass, came yesterday. So I take the truck in, $400some ($200 labor) later it is fixed, she is happy. But when I pick it up, I go look at it to make sure everything done OK, and the glass is filthy -- grease, fingerprints, oily film on it. I go in and ask the service person there if it was expecting too much that for $400some they might think to clean the glass. The service person wants to know if I want them to detail the truck. No, maybe someone could get a couple of paper towels and some windex and take 3 minutes to clean it? Oh, someone made a mistake, should have washed it, but they are gone now, call back tomorrow. You can't go find some windex and paper towels? No, I can't leave. How about that guy that just drove it out? Oh, I can go try to find him if you want... If you can go try to find him, how about just finding some glass cleaner and some towels? Well if you come back tomorrow they will take care of it. Why would I want to come back here tomorrow, take another hour or two to deal with this? By then the daughter unit, who came with me to drive it home, has taken off. 10AM and no call yet from the service manager. Am I crazy? Are my expectations too high? --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rant
Not only NO! But H _ _ L NO you should not just get over it! People getting over it is exactly what caused everyone to do away with I grew up believing was customer service. Why should Wal Mart hire more cashiers when we are happy just gripping about standing in line? Why should a service center bother cleaning a window when instead they could be earning more Got Ya bucks off another Joe?, etc. etc. etc. People tolerate the bad service and the companies save money it is a win/win situation for them. Dave H... -- From: Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 12:41 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rant I talked to the service guy (I called him) and he was apologetic, did not know why it wasn't cleaned (or the whole car was not washed) offered an oil change. I can do that myself quicker than I go there, wait, come home, deal with them, and I know it is actually done and correctly. I suggested the service manager call me, which he did awhile ago, told me how good his tech was and that he did a good job, did not know why he did not finish it. At this point I guess there is not a whole lot more to be said, but it still just really p's me off. I need to get over it. --R LarryT wrote: If the servive manager hasn't call back, I;d call the general manager - if he doesnt respond find out who *his* boss is. The few times a dealer worked on my cars they have washed the whole vehicle and vacuumed it also - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 11:02 AM Subject: [MBZ] Rant Thanksgiving morning early my wife went cycling at this park in West Houston. Some sh*thead smashed the passenger side window in her Suburban, stole her phone, purse, etc. she left in there. So Fri I call the dealer to see if they could do a replacement, they had to order the glass, came yesterday. So I take the truck in, $400some ($200 labor) later it is fixed, she is happy. But when I pick it up, I go look at it to make sure everything done OK, and the glass is filthy -- grease, fingerprints, oily film on it. I go in and ask the service person there if it was expecting too much that for $400some they might think to clean the glass. The service person wants to know if I want them to detail the truck. No, maybe someone could get a couple of paper towels and some windex and take 3 minutes to clean it? Oh, someone made a mistake, should have washed it, but they are gone now, call back tomorrow. You can't go find some windex and paper towels? No, I can't leave. How about that guy that just drove it out? Oh, I can go try to find him if you want... If you can go try to find him, how about just finding some glass cleaner and some towels? Well if you come back tomorrow they will take care of it. Why would I want to come back here tomorrow, take another hour or two to deal with this? By then the daughter unit, who came with me to drive it home, has taken off. 10AM and no call yet from the service manager. Am I crazy? Are my expectations too high? --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.8/1154 - Release Date: 11/27/2007 11:40 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT, fluid in a TV?
They have name brands -- Sony, Philips, Samsung. I think the Samsungs are about the best value. They had some huge ones there. Somewhere I read that Costco doubles the warranty, don't know about Sams. --R Kaleb C. Striplin, work wrote: I wonder if those no name ones at sams will last though? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT 87 Ford F350
Kaleb C. Striplin, work wrote: So it will have more power than a GM 6.2? According to Wiki, the 1983-87 6.9 made 170hp, and the 88-91 7.3 NA IDI made 180. Pretty close to the way I remembered it. No idea how the GM was rated, except I seem to recall the 4.3 being rated at 85hp when my Dad had a 1983 Cutlass Ciera. His made nowhere near 85hp, (0-60 in 28 sec) but apparently a good example was a lot quicker. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rant
You have a point there and I have to agree. I was thinking some more about this, and reminded myself of taking the truck to them back a few months ago when the back glass blew out (design fault, recall on some but not all, same design). I worked them a bit on replacing it (was gonna be like $900), kinda alluded to a conversation I had with my lawyer buddy about similar problems, and they got right on it, replaced it for free a couple days later. They did not have to do that really (although I got the sense that they had been doing a lot of them not as recall but quietly acknowledging the problem), and did not give me much of a hard time, so I was thankful for that. I guess things balance out, I have spent too many cycles obsessing already. I sent an email to the head guy, will see if I hear back. I might call him to whinge a bit, though at this point that is all it is cause I don't want to waste any more time with them or the issue. --R Dave H... wrote: Not only NO! But H _ _ L NO you should not just get over it! People getting over it is exactly what caused everyone to do away with I grew up believing was customer service. Why should Wal Mart hire more cashiers when we are happy just gripping about standing in line? Why should a service center bother cleaning a window when instead they could be earning more Got Ya bucks off another Joe?, etc. etc. etc. People tolerate the bad service and the companies save money it is a win/win situation for them. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cleaning enigine inside with synthetic oil
Take a look here, http://www.auto-rx.com/. They claim to do what you want and I have some to try on a Toyota pickup. I am going to see if it will stop or slow down a front seal leak. Harry On Nov 27, 2007 12:39 PM, Robert Bigham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In recent issues, some have remarked that Mobil 1 or (maybe) similar synthetic oils will clean out interior engine nasties, or words to that effect. Is that for real? I'm talking about the black almost crusty crap that may accumulate on interior engine surfaces. I'd like to hear from someone who claims to have actually done it. Assuming it is for real, how does one use it for this purpose? Change oil and filter, obviously. Then run for how long? How many miles/change oil and filter cycles are thought needful? In a past life I knew a fellow who would pour the same gallon of diesel through an engine repeatedly for this purpose with engine initially warm but not running. He would change the diesel when he thought it was nasty enough and quit when he stopped getting black nasties dissolved or suspended in fresh diesel.d Does anyone have any comment on that? Does anyone have a recommended other procedure for the same purpose? Thanks all. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT, fluid in a TV?
It seems than at Tue, 27 Nov 2007 13:34:38 -0600, John wrote: Kaleb C. Striplin, work wrote: Im probably going to be looking for somthing in the 60 or so range since that is what my old TV is. If it is in a dark(ish) room get a projector. Then you get a 100 screen. :) The room doesn't even have to be darkish. A projector can be quite flexible. You can even get different images sizes depending on what you are watching! --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT, fluid in a TV?
It seems than at Tue, 27 Nov 2007 13:00:24 -0600, Kaleb wrote: So my Phillips Magnavox 60 bigscreen that I have had for about 8 years has been acting up. Had somebody come out and look at it today and they say it needs a new high voltage (?) signal board, and some sort of cooling fluid or something is cloudy which causes the picture to be not as good as it should be. I have never heard of fluid in a TV. They want $1200 to fix it so I will probably be looking for a HDTV from the info I got in the last thread about TV's. I imagine I will go the DLP route. Yup. It's called Projection TV Coolant. You can buy it from MCM Electronics http://mcmelectronic.com Part number is 20-4275. A 16 oz bottle sells for $9 USD. I have never put an in, so I don't know whats involved. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT, fluid in a TV?
Hell, maybe I will just try and fix it myself. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: Fmiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 2:48 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, fluid in a TV? It seems than at Tue, 27 Nov 2007 13:00:24 -0600, Kaleb wrote: So my Phillips Magnavox 60 bigscreen that I have had for about 8 years has been acting up. Had somebody come out and look at it today and they say it needs a new high voltage (?) signal board, and some sort of cooling fluid or something is cloudy which causes the picture to be not as good as it should be. I have never heard of fluid in a TV. They want $1200 to fix it so I will probably be looking for a HDTV from the info I got in the last thread about TV's. I imagine I will go the DLP route. Yup. It's called Projection TV Coolant. You can buy it from MCM Electronics http://mcmelectronic.com Part number is 20-4275. A 16 oz bottle sells for $9 USD. I have never put an in, so I don't know whats involved. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT, fluid in a TV?
Yep, I think I will research what parts I need and how to replace and do it myself. Still need to get a new TV though. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: Kaleb C. Striplin, work [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 3:05 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, fluid in a TV? Hell, maybe I will just try and fix it myself. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: Fmiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 2:48 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, fluid in a TV? It seems than at Tue, 27 Nov 2007 13:00:24 -0600, Kaleb wrote: So my Phillips Magnavox 60 bigscreen that I have had for about 8 years has been acting up. Had somebody come out and look at it today and they say it needs a new high voltage (?) signal board, and some sort of cooling fluid or something is cloudy which causes the picture to be not as good as it should be. I have never heard of fluid in a TV. They want $1200 to fix it so I will probably be looking for a HDTV from the info I got in the last thread about TV's. I imagine I will go the DLP route. Yup. It's called Projection TV Coolant. You can buy it from MCM Electronics http://mcmelectronic.com Part number is 20-4275. A 16 oz bottle sells for $9 USD. I have never put an in, so I don't know whats involved. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT, fluid in a TV?
On Nov 27, 2007 1:02 PM, Fmiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It seems than at Tue, 27 Nov 2007 13:34:38 -0600, John wrote: Kaleb C. Striplin, work wrote: Im probably going to be looking for somthing in the 60 or so range since that is what my old TV is. If it is in a dark(ish) room get a projector. Then you get a 100 screen. :) A projector is a great idea as long as you budget for a replacement bulb at $300+ every year, more often if you have kids or other family members who leave the TV on all day. I went through that thought process, figured out it was a lot cheaper in the long run to spring for a big LCD up front. Finally went with a Philips 47 1080p for $1800 from Best Buy. Couldn't be happier with it. Better picture and much lighter and more compact than what it replaced (a 46 Mitsubishi rear-projection, one of the first 1080p TVs but no great shakes now). Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cleaning enigine inside with synthetic oil
As others have suggested start running M1 and keep changing the filters every 1K miles - they're pretty cheap. The Synthetic will suspend the crud (slowly) and circulate it to the filter to be well, filtered ;-) I'd prefer running oil in the engine to the other stuff suggested (diesel, etc) since oil is supposed to run in the engine. Not sure what that other stuff would do to seals, gaskets, etc but we know oil wil not harm anything. It's not a fast process but it will eventually clean everything out. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: Robert Bigham [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 1:39 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cleaning enigine inside with synthetic oil In recent issues, some have remarked that Mobil 1 or (maybe) similar synthetic oils will clean out interior engine nasties, or words to that effect. Is that for real? I'm talking about the black almost crusty crap that may accumulate on interior engine surfaces. I'd like to hear from someone who claims to have actually done it. Assuming it is for real, how does one use it for this purpose? Change oil and filter, obviously. Then run for how long? How many miles/change oil and filter cycles are thought needful? In a past life I knew a fellow who would pour the same gallon of diesel through an engine repeatedly for this purpose with engine initially warm but not running. He would change the diesel when he thought it was nasty enough and quit when he stopped getting black nasties dissolved or suspended in fresh diesel.d Does anyone have any comment on that? Does anyone have a recommended other procedure for the same purpose? Thanks all. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.8/1154 - Release Date: 11/27/2007 11:40 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rant
Rich hit the nail on the head: Exactly. There is no service ethic anywhere, anymore, that I can detect... Bingo. Ethics, morals, or as a feller for work says, Give-a-shitedness is rare these days. It's sad. Bob R. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cleaning enigine inside with synthetic oil
FYI long term use (like years and 30,000+ miles) slowed the rear main seal leak on my '96 Dodge Dakota (210,000 miles and still kickin). It was to about 1 qt in 500 miles and now (uhh 5 years and probably 100,000 miles later) its more like 1 qt in 2500 miles or more (mileage not quarts). Mobil 1 10w30, changed every time I remember, probably 8,000 or so miles. -Curt Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 14:44:16 -0600 From: Harry Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cleaning enigine inside with synthetic oil To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Take a look here, http://www.auto-rx.com/. They claim to do what you want and I have some to try on a Toyota pickup. I am going to see if it will stop or slow down a front seal leak. Harry - Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rant
I'd take that right up the ladder. Chances are if you speak with someone on site they won't give too much of a rip because idiots who treat customers that way usually learned it from someone above them. That would have made me flip. Bob R. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of LarryT Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 10:13 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rant If the servive manager hasn't call back, I;d call the general manager - if he doesnt respond find out who *his* boss is. The few times a dealer worked on my cars they have washed the whole vehicle and vacuumed it also - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 11:02 AM Subject: [MBZ] Rant Thanksgiving morning early my wife went cycling at this park in West Houston. Some sh*thead smashed the passenger side window in her Suburban, stole her phone, purse, etc. she left in there. So Fri I call the dealer to see if they could do a replacement, they had to order the glass, came yesterday. So I take the truck in, $400some ($200 labor) later it is fixed, she is happy. But when I pick it up, I go look at it to make sure everything done OK, and the glass is filthy -- grease, fingerprints, oily film on it. I go in and ask the service person there if it was expecting too much that for $400some they might think to clean the glass. The service person wants to know if I want them to detail the truck. No, maybe someone could get a couple of paper towels and some windex and take 3 minutes to clean it? Oh, someone made a mistake, should have washed it, but they are gone now, call back tomorrow. You can't go find some windex and paper towels? No, I can't leave. How about that guy that just drove it out? Oh, I can go try to find him if you want... If you can go try to find him, how about just finding some glass cleaner and some towels? Well if you come back tomorrow they will take care of it. Why would I want to come back here tomorrow, take another hour or two to deal with this? By then the daughter unit, who came with me to drive it home, has taken off. 10AM and no call yet from the service manager. Am I crazy? Are my expectations too high? --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.8/1154 - Release Date: 11/27/2007 11:40 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rant
Sounds like some Prima Donna attitude was present - widespread problem I fear - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 12:58 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rant Exactly. There is no service ethic anywhere, anymore, that I can detect among the proles. There was only one service writer there, a woman, who appeared to be marginally competent but could not leave her desk/phone, etc (though she did say she could go try to find someone, but it baffled her when I suggested if she could do that then maybe she could just deal with it) and the checkout chicas barely hablaed anglais and didn't seem to understand why this was an issue, so that was a waste too. Anyway, daughter unit had taken off by then, so moot issue at that point. Oh well, enough on this... --R Mitch Haley wrote: I don't know who you talked to wheh you picked it up, but I can't figure out why that person didn't just grab a bottle of something and a rag and clean your window right then and there. It's what I would have done, and it wouldn't have mattered if I was a manager, a writer, or even a mechanic who had nothing to do with your truck. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.8/1154 - Release Date: 11/27/2007 11:40 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rant
Around here a lot of government offices have notices on the counter that essentially say our staff does not have to put up with you yelling or using obscenities etc., and will not do so. Being a customer service person in many of these places means you deal with a lot of the crazies out there and take a fair amount of personal abuse. My wife works in the main library at the university here and she occasionally has to tell a patron that they are out of line and that she won't serve them so long as they insist upon being abusive. They usually go off in a huff but come back hanging their head after calming down. So, I think that when normal people deal with some of the counter folks, the counter folk are often ready for a rampage because it just happens too often. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Zoltan Finks Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 4:16 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rant Yeah, it's a funny thing - there's like a balance of power between the customer and the provider. And it runs the gamut from a pleasant, respectful cahsier to what you'll get at the DMV in any big city. Doesn't have to be the dept. of motor vehicles though - that's just an example. When I visited the Phx. area recently after living in MN for several years, I was reminded all too quickly by the rental car guy how one gets treated there. And as much as I don't want to offend the more sensitive among us - face it - in most places, if you have a Black cashier, you just need to brace yourself for the attitude. It starts with them not even acknowledging you or looking at you, much less saying hello. I recall one confrontation at the Olkahoma City Greyhound station. I simply and courteosly stated that I had not received an itinerary, and the big guy behind the counter acted like he wanted to assault me. When I asked what their policy on getting a refund for my ticket was, all he had to say was aint gonna happen. I had to tell him to give me the itinerary and to get his manger and that it was not too much to ask - so just do it! He replied excuse me? did you just tell me just do it?!! The point is the guy knew from experience that he could treat customers that way - he held the power. The most amazing experiences I have had have been one particular little independetly-run vehicle licensing office in Rochester, MN. They were always respectful and helpful and most of the time jovial and downright friendly. Now there was a proper power balance. Okay, I told you I was a stickler on this. Fortunately, the topic title is rant. Brian On 11/27/07, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sounds like some Prima Donna attitude was present - widespread problem I fear - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 12:58 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rant Exactly. There is no service ethic anywhere, anymore, that I can detect among the proles. There was only one service writer there, a woman, who appeared to be marginally competent but could not leave her desk/phone, etc (though she did say she could go try to find someone, but it baffled her when I suggested if she could do that then maybe she could just deal with it) and the checkout chicas barely hablaed anglais and didn't seem to understand why this was an issue, so that was a waste too. Anyway, daughter unit had taken off by then, so moot issue at that point. Oh well, enough on this... --R Mitch Haley wrote: I don't know who you talked to wheh you picked it up, but I can't figure out why that person didn't just grab a bottle of something and a rag and clean your window right then and there. It's what I would have done, and it wouldn't have mattered if I was a manager, a writer, or even a mechanic who had nothing to do with your truck. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.8/1154 - Release Date: 11/27/2007 11:40 AM
[MBZ] Coulda been biodiesel?
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Re: [MBZ] Rant
Yeah, it's a funny thing - there's like a balance of power between the customer and the provider. And it runs the gamut from a pleasant, respectful cahsier to what you'll get at the DMV in any big city. Doesn't have to be the dept. of motor vehicles though - that's just an example. When I visited the Phx. area recently after living in MN for several years, I was reminded all too quickly by the rental car guy how one gets treated there. And as much as I don't want to offend the more sensitive among us - face it - in most places, if you have a Black cashier, you just need to brace yourself for the attitude. It starts with them not even acknowledging you or looking at you, much less saying hello. I recall one confrontation at the Olkahoma City Greyhound station. I simply and courteosly stated that I had not received an itinerary, and the big guy behind the counter acted like he wanted to assault me. When I asked what their policy on getting a refund for my ticket was, all he had to say was aint gonna happen. I had to tell him to give me the itinerary and to get his manger and that it was not too much to ask - so just do it! He replied excuse me? did you just tell me just do it?!! The point is the guy knew from experience that he could treat customers that way - he held the power. The most amazing experiences I have had have been one particular little independetly-run vehicle licensing office in Rochester, MN. They were always respectful and helpful and most of the time jovial and downright friendly. Now there was a proper power balance. Okay, I told you I was a stickler on this. Fortunately, the topic title is rant. Brian On 11/27/07, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sounds like some Prima Donna attitude was present - widespread problem I fear - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 12:58 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rant Exactly. There is no service ethic anywhere, anymore, that I can detect among the proles. There was only one service writer there, a woman, who appeared to be marginally competent but could not leave her desk/phone, etc (though she did say she could go try to find someone, but it baffled her when I suggested if she could do that then maybe she could just deal with it) and the checkout chicas barely hablaed anglais and didn't seem to understand why this was an issue, so that was a waste too. Anyway, daughter unit had taken off by then, so moot issue at that point. Oh well, enough on this... --R Mitch Haley wrote: I don't know who you talked to wheh you picked it up, but I can't figure out why that person didn't just grab a bottle of something and a rag and clean your window right then and there. It's what I would have done, and it wouldn't have mattered if I was a manager, a writer, or even a mechanic who had nothing to do with your truck. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.8/1154 - Release Date: 11/27/2007 11:40 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rant
The thing that I find even more disturbing is the effort that they put out to convince you that they do provide good service and care etc. A few years ago I had my old Suburban repaired after a minor accident. I took it to a local body shop that I had no experience with but had heard good things about. The fellow took me out to the vehicle after they called to advise it was ready and I went to pick it up. They did a lousy job of the repair. The front bumper was not mounted straight. I called it to his attention and he gave me some line of bull that Chevy's are like that and there is nothing they could do about it. I said give me a few minutes with a die grinder to elongate the holes and I will fix it myself. He remained adamant that they could do nothing. There was also a small dent in the leading face of the hood. I commented that they hadn't repaired it. He then stated that was not part of the job or some such nonsense. It certainly was as it was caused by the same accident that put me in their shop in the first place. By then I was angry enough to tell him to stick it in his ear and leave. The vehicle was old and imperfect anyway but it still made me annoyed to think that they hadn't done a good job but wanted me to pat them on the back anyway. When I got in the truck there was a card on the dash that said they had kept the interior clean and had not changed the settings on the seat or the radio etc as a courtesy to me. There was also a survey form that they wanted me to return to them to tell them if they were doing a good job. A few days later a nice young lady called to ask me in a cheery voice if everything was ok and if I was still happy with their work. She hadn't a clue what to say when I suggested she speak to the fellow who had taken me out to the truck about my complaints at the time that they hadn't done a good job and his denial of the facts. They haven't called again and I won't go near the place again. Unfortunately, I think a lot of these places sell themselves to stupid people by kissing the proverbial you know what. Then people go around saying how nice these folks are and that leaves poor suckers like me thinking that they do good work. Go ahead and smmooze me if you must but fix things properly or you are wasting your time. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Robert Rentfro Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 4:02 PM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rant Rich hit the nail on the head: Exactly. There is no service ethic anywhere, anymore, that I can detect... Bingo. Ethics, morals, or as a feller for work says, Give-a-shitedness is rare these days. It's sad. Bob R. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Coulda been biodiesel?
Hurry, someone get a match... Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rich Thomas Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 4:30 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Coulda been biodiesel? http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/bizarre/5331835.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Donald Snook This Car Is Calling Your Name
Well not really. Just a 300d in KC http://kansascity.craigslist.org/car/490973386.html Not mine, no affiliation,ect. Rick Knoble '85 300 CD '87 190 DT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cleaning enigine inside with synthetic oil
Do what I do in the 300DSL. Run conventional oil most of the time mobil-1 once a year for a good cleaning. Since I started this, I've had no lifter noise from the engine. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hendrik Fay Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 4:46 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cleaning enigine inside with synthetic oil The problem is that M1 is about 60 bucks for 5 liters but I guess engine damage due to blocked oil feed lines is expensive as well. LarryT wrote: As others have suggested start running M1 and keep changing the filters every 1K miles - they're pretty cheap. The Synthetic will suspend the crud (slowly) and circulate it to the filter to be well, filtered ;-) I'd prefer running oil in the engine to the other stuff suggested (diesel, etc) since oil is supposed to run in the engine. Not sure what that other stuff would do to seals, gaskets, etc but we know oil wil not harm anything. It's not a fast process but it will eventually clean everything out. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT, fluid in a TV?
what's the worst that can happen - you'll have a broken tv? You already have one of those! On Nov 27, 2007 4:43 PM, Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 27, 2007 1:02 PM, Fmiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It seems than at Tue, 27 Nov 2007 13:34:38 -0600, John wrote: Kaleb C. Striplin, work wrote: Im probably going to be looking for somthing in the 60 or so range since that is what my old TV is. If it is in a dark(ish) room get a projector. Then you get a 100 screen. :) A projector is a great idea as long as you budget for a replacement bulb at $300+ every year, more often if you have kids or other family members who leave the TV on all day. I went through that thought process, figured out it was a lot cheaper in the long run to spring for a big LCD up front. Finally went with a Philips 47 1080p for $1800 from Best Buy. Couldn't be happier with it. Better picture and much lighter and more compact than what it replaced (a 46 Mitsubishi rear-projection, one of the first 1080p TVs but no great shakes now). Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Sunil Hari [EMAIL PROTECTED] 513-205-7474 614-441-8164 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Clean Engine, Why
I'm not sure why all of this somewhat impassioned talk goes on about a Clean Engine What is the reason that I should keep the internals of my engine Clean NOW don't misunderstand me, I am not in favor of Dirty engine but, I do not get too excited if there is 1/4 of sludge in the bottom of my pan. That's why the pan was designed the way it is, to hold settled stuff for the lifetime of the engine. It seem that changing oil on a regular basis does a fine job of keeping the Lifters/Oil Passages/ Oil pick-up/rockers etc in a serviceably clean condition. What is to be gained doing any more? BTW, I switched my Benz from DINO to Mobile1 for the cold start improvement at about 150Kmi. I changed oil at 10Kmi, analysis at that time shoed the oil was about 30% spent. I began changing at 20KMI, support by anaysis I could have gone to 25 or 30. No leaks, no oil related problems. -- Pete Arnold Your mileage may vary. Objects in mirror are closer than they appear. Early withdrawal may result in interest penalty. Do not pass Go, do not collect $200, Offer invalid where prohibited by law. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cleaning enigine inside with synthetic oil
The problem is that M1 is about 60 bucks for 5 liters but I guess engine damage due to blocked oil feed lines is expensive as well. LarryT wrote: As others have suggested start running M1 and keep changing the filters every 1K miles - they're pretty cheap. The Synthetic will suspend the crud (slowly) and circulate it to the filter to be well, filtered ;-) I'd prefer running oil in the engine to the other stuff suggested (diesel, etc) since oil is supposed to run in the engine. Not sure what that other stuff would do to seals, gaskets, etc but we know oil wil not harm anything. It's not a fast process but it will eventually clean everything out. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rant
The basic problem is that people don't take pride in their work anymore, just do the basics and then expect a big fat pay cheque. You can bet your boots that the person who did the sloppy window installation would scream blue murder if it happened to them, easy to see faults in others but hard to see own faults. Hendrik who operates on a do the job 100% or don't do it principle, that way nothing gets done Robert Rentfro wrote: I'd take that right up the ladder. Chances are if you speak with someone on site they won't give too much of a rip because idiots who treat customers that way usually learned it from someone above them. That would have made me flip. Bob R. -Original Message- ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rant
Again with my 2 cents... I hear it all the time, Well, that's what you get now-a-days. I'm sorry, that's what some people accept now-a-days. It seems many tradesmen don't take pride in their work. It's all about the pay. Satisfaction and pride have nothing to do with it. Well sorry, last general contractor who wanted me to cut corners (as he does) I had just this conversation and I wound up refusing to sub for him anymore. His wife called saying I had hurt his feelings because I told him I was ashamed to be associated with his work. Those of us who actually find a sense of accomplishment in our work are often called compulsive or anal retentive. I've been told They have pills for that you know. Nobody's gonna see the wire after the walls are up. Word of mouth still goes a long way and I have a big mouth and a long memory. Gary's Automotive in Candler, Gary and son, Todd are some of the finest MB indies I've known. People like them I want to give business to for I want them to make well and be rewarded for good service! on 11/27/07 5:15 PM, Zoltan Finks at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, it's a funny thing - there's like a balance of power between the customer and the provider. And it runs the gamut from a pleasant, respectful cahsier to what you'll get at the DMV in any big city. Doesn't have to be the dept. of motor vehicles though - that's just an example. When I visited the Phx. area recently after living in MN for several years, I was reminded all too quickly by the rental car guy how one gets treated there. And as much as I don't want to offend the more sensitive among us - face it - in most places, if you have a Black cashier, you just need to brace yourself for the attitude. It starts with them not even acknowledging you or looking at you, much less saying hello. I recall one confrontation at the Olkahoma City Greyhound station. I simply and courteosly stated that I had not received an itinerary, and the big guy behind the counter acted like he wanted to assault me. When I asked what their policy on getting a refund for my ticket was, all he had to say was aint gonna happen. I had to tell him to give me the itinerary and to get his manger and that it was not too much to ask - so just do it! He replied excuse me? did you just tell me just do it?!! The point is the guy knew from experience that he could treat customers that way - he held the power. The most amazing experiences I have had have been one particular little independetly-run vehicle licensing office in Rochester, MN. They were always respectful and helpful and most of the time jovial and downright friendly. Now there was a proper power balance. Okay, I told you I was a stickler on this. Fortunately, the topic title is rant. Brian On 11/27/07, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sounds like some Prima Donna attitude was present - widespread problem I fear - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 12:58 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rant Exactly. There is no service ethic anywhere, anymore, that I can detect among the proles. There was only one service writer there, a woman, who appeared to be marginally competent but could not leave her desk/phone, etc (though she did say she could go try to find someone, but it baffled her when I suggested if she could do that then maybe she could just deal with it) and the checkout chicas barely hablaed anglais and didn't seem to understand why this was an issue, so that was a waste too. Anyway, daughter unit had taken off by then, so moot issue at that point. Oh well, enough on this... --R Mitch Haley wrote: I don't know who you talked to wheh you picked it up, but I can't figure out why that person didn't just grab a bottle of something and a rag and clean your window right then and there. It's what I would have done, and it wouldn't have mattered if I was a manager, a writer, or even a mechanic who had nothing to do with your truck. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free
Re: [MBZ] Rant
I went thru a similar situation with my 300D recently. Had the tires rotated and the front end aligned. When they put the lugs on they were wy to tight. When I got home I couldn;t break them loose. Took it back to the shop and a huge guy came around with a torque wrench (clicker type) and he wanted to prove he did it right - loosened one, and tightened it - pulled it until it clicked and continued another 1/8 turn or so, then gave it another pull for good measure for a total of 1/4 turn extra. Instead of ~90 #s it was probably closer to 120 or more. I started to show him how to use a torque wrench but his attitude told me he didn;t want anyone to show him the right way.When he warps someones expensive rotors maybe he'll listen. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: Hendrik Fay [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 5:43 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rant The basic problem is that people don't take pride in their work anymore, just do the basics and then expect a big fat pay cheque. You can bet your boots that the person who did the sloppy window installation would scream blue murder if it happened to them, easy to see faults in others but hard to see own faults. Hendrik who operates on a do the job 100% or don't do it principle, that way nothing gets done Robert Rentfro wrote: I'd take that right up the ladder. Chances are if you speak with someone on site they won't give too much of a rip because idiots who treat customers that way usually learned it from someone above them. That would have made me flip. Bob R. -Original Message- ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.8/1154 - Release Date: 11/27/2007 11:40 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Clean Engine, Why
It's not about cleaning an engine as much as removing sludge that can block the oil pump pick-up and oil return galleries. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter T. Arnold Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 5:01 PM To: Bez Mailing List Subject: [MBZ] Clean Engine, Why I'm not sure why all of this somewhat impassioned talk goes on about a Clean Engine What is the reason that I should keep the internals of my engine Clean NOW don't misunderstand me, I am not in favor of Dirty engine but, I do not get too excited if there is 1/4 of sludge in the bottom of my pan. That's why the pan was designed the way it is, to hold settled stuff for the lifetime of the engine. It seem that changing oil on a regular basis does a fine job of keeping the Lifters/Oil Passages/ Oil pick-up/rockers etc in a serviceably clean condition. What is to be gained doing any more? BTW, I switched my Benz from DINO to Mobile1 for the cold start improvement at about 150Kmi. I changed oil at 10Kmi, analysis at that time shoed the oil was about 30% spent. I began changing at 20KMI, support by anaysis I could have gone to 25 or 30. No leaks, no oil related problems. -- Pete Arnold Your mileage may vary. Objects in mirror are closer than they appear. Early withdrawal may result in interest penalty. Do not pass Go, do not collect $200, Offer invalid where prohibited by law. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cleaning enigine inside with synthetic oil
I get 5 qts (~ liters) of Mobil 1 for around $22 at Walmart/ Please don't tell me you're really paying $60/5 Liters unless it's monopoly money ;-) Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: Hendrik Fay [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 5:45 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cleaning enigine inside with synthetic oil The problem is that M1 is about 60 bucks for 5 liters but I guess engine damage due to blocked oil feed lines is expensive as well. LarryT wrote: As others have suggested start running M1 and keep changing the filters every 1K miles - they're pretty cheap. The Synthetic will suspend the crud (slowly) and circulate it to the filter to be well, filtered ;-) I'd prefer running oil in the engine to the other stuff suggested (diesel, etc) since oil is supposed to run in the engine. Not sure what that other stuff would do to seals, gaskets, etc but we know oil wil not harm anything. It's not a fast process but it will eventually clean everything out. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.8/1154 - Release Date: 11/27/2007 11:40 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT, fluid in a TV?
Alex Chamberlain wrote: A projector is a great idea as long as you budget for a replacement bulb at $300+ every year, more often if you have kids or other family members who leave the TV on all day. Very true! I wouldn't have to worry about bulb replacement that often as my primary TV usage consists of video gaming (one week I'll play for 30 hours then go 6 weeks and only play for maybe 5 hours) and light actual TV watching. On the other hand, my parents leave the TV on all day... even when they aren't watching it. Drives me nuts! John -who would have a projector if he had room for it ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rant
on 11/27/07 5:24 PM, R A Bennell at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Every new restaurant that opens seems like there's a line out the door of people waiting. The herds follow. Used to be that after a time of service and food like s%#t those places would fold. I'm amazed today that some places stay in business. If we think a service is unacceptable we're the odd one's with the problem? Duh! Sadly it's not just service businesses or product quality. It's in politics too!!! That's what you get now-a-days. The thing that I find even more disturbing is the effort that they put out to convince you that they do provide good service and care etc. A few years ago I had my old Suburban repaired after a minor accident. I took it to a local body shop that I had no experience with but had heard good things about. The fellow took me out to the vehicle after they called to advise it was ready and I went to pick it up. They did a lousy job of the repair. The front bumper was not mounted straight. I called it to his attention and he gave me some line of bull that Chevy's are like that and there is nothing they could do about it. I said give me a few minutes with a die grinder to elongate the holes and I will fix it myself. He remained adamant that they could do nothing. There was also a small dent in the leading face of the hood. I commented that they hadn't repaired it. He then stated that was not part of the job or some such nonsense. It certainly was as it was caused by the same accident that put me in their shop in the first place. By then I was angry enough to tell him to stick it in his ear and leave. The vehicle was old and imperfect anyway but it still made me annoyed to think that they hadn't done a good job but wanted me to pat them on the back anyway. When I got in the truck there was a card on the dash that said they had kept the interior clean and had not changed the settings on the seat or the radio etc as a courtesy to me. There was also a survey form that they wanted me to return to them to tell them if they were doing a good job. A few days later a nice young lady called to ask me in a cheery voice if everything was ok and if I was still happy with their work. She hadn't a clue what to say when I suggested she speak to the fellow who had taken me out to the truck about my complaints at the time that they hadn't done a good job and his denial of the facts. They haven't called again and I won't go near the place again. Unfortunately, I think a lot of these places sell themselves to stupid people by kissing the proverbial you know what. Then people go around saying how nice these folks are and that leaves poor suckers like me thinking that they do good work. Go ahead and smmooze me if you must but fix things properly or you are wasting your time. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Robert Rentfro Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 4:02 PM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rant Rich hit the nail on the head: Exactly. There is no service ethic anywhere, anymore, that I can detect... Bingo. Ethics, morals, or as a feller for work says, Give-a-shitedness is rare these days. It's sad. Bob R. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rant
I you lose your temper when you have a complaint, you've lost. You're complaint is no longer valid. Best to approach it with the gentle art of verbal defense remaining calmly focused on the actual complaint and how it is going to be resolved. It can't become a personal offensive/defensive thing no matter how much you want to question the person's lineage and reason for existence. on 11/27/07 5:30 PM, R A Bennell at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Around here a lot of government offices have notices on the counter that essentially say our staff does not have to put up with you yelling or using obscenities etc., and will not do so. Being a customer service person in many of these places means you deal with a lot of the crazies out there and take a fair amount of personal abuse. My wife works in the main library at the university here and she occasionally has to tell a patron that they are out of line and that she won't serve them so long as they insist upon being abusive. They usually go off in a huff but come back hanging their head after calming down. So, I think that when normal people deal with some of the counter folks, the counter folk are often ready for a rampage because it just happens too often. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Zoltan Finks Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 4:16 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rant Yeah, it's a funny thing - there's like a balance of power between the customer and the provider. And it runs the gamut from a pleasant, respectful cahsier to what you'll get at the DMV in any big city. Doesn't have to be the dept. of motor vehicles though - that's just an example. When I visited the Phx. area recently after living in MN for several years, I was reminded all too quickly by the rental car guy how one gets treated there. And as much as I don't want to offend the more sensitive among us - face it - in most places, if you have a Black cashier, you just need to brace yourself for the attitude. It starts with them not even acknowledging you or looking at you, much less saying hello. I recall one confrontation at the Olkahoma City Greyhound station. I simply and courteosly stated that I had not received an itinerary, and the big guy behind the counter acted like he wanted to assault me. When I asked what their policy on getting a refund for my ticket was, all he had to say was aint gonna happen. I had to tell him to give me the itinerary and to get his manger and that it was not too much to ask - so just do it! He replied excuse me? did you just tell me just do it?!! The point is the guy knew from experience that he could treat customers that way - he held the power. The most amazing experiences I have had have been one particular little independetly-run vehicle licensing office in Rochester, MN. They were always respectful and helpful and most of the time jovial and downright friendly. Now there was a proper power balance. Okay, I told you I was a stickler on this. Fortunately, the topic title is rant. Brian On 11/27/07, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sounds like some Prima Donna attitude was present - widespread problem I fear - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 12:58 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rant Exactly. There is no service ethic anywhere, anymore, that I can detect among the proles. There was only one service writer there, a woman, who appeared to be marginally competent but could not leave her desk/phone, etc (though she did say she could go try to find someone, but it baffled her when I suggested if she could do that then maybe she could just deal with it) and the checkout chicas barely hablaed anglais and didn't seem to understand why this was an issue, so that was a waste too. Anyway, daughter unit had taken off by then, so moot issue at that point. Oh well, enough on this... --R Mitch Haley wrote: I don't know who you talked to wheh you picked it up, but I can't figure out why that person didn't just grab a bottle of something and a rag and clean your window right then and there. It's what I would have done, and it wouldn't have mattered if I was a manager, a writer, or even a mechanic who had nothing to do with your truck. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cleaning enigine inside with synthetic oil
It's not Monopoly money, it's OZ money. I did not realize how expensive stuff was in Australia until beer customers started ordering stuff from my web site paying Priority Mail (sometimes $100.00 +) without complaining. I started asking I discovered that even with the outrageous freight, my beer stuff much cheaper than in OZ. Rusty needs to start marketing in Australia. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of LarryT Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 5:13 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cleaning enigine inside with synthetic oil I get 5 qts (~ liters) of Mobil 1 for around $22 at Walmart/ Please don't tell me you're really paying $60/5 Liters unless it's monopoly money ;-) Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: Hendrik Fay [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 5:45 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cleaning enigine inside with synthetic oil The problem is that M1 is about 60 bucks for 5 liters but I guess engine damage due to blocked oil feed lines is expensive as well. LarryT wrote: As others have suggested start running M1 and keep changing the filters every 1K miles - they're pretty cheap. The Synthetic will suspend the crud (slowly) and circulate it to the filter to be well, filtered ;-) I'd prefer running oil in the engine to the other stuff suggested (diesel, etc) since oil is supposed to run in the engine. Not sure what that other stuff would do to seals, gaskets, etc but we know oil wil not harm anything. It's not a fast process but it will eventually clean everything out. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.8/1154 - Release Date: 11/27/2007 11:40 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Ticking noise - normal or trouble
So I know if I was under the hood of a gasser and heard ticking coming from the rocker covers I would think a lifter was not getting proper oiling, or was collapsing or something. As I was under the 190D hood a bit ago attempting, yes attempting, to check the transmission fluid - stupid thing that dipstick is - I heard a somewhat intermittent tapping acompanying the normal klatta. Would tick for maybe 10 seconds, then stop ticking, then start again after a couple seconds. Is this normal racket to be coming from the engine? Or is this indicitive of a problem? Brian 87 190D 83 240D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ticking noise - normal or trouble
This could be several things but most likely it's lifter noise. Can you get your hands on a stethoscope? Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Zoltan Finks Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 5:58 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Ticking noise - normal or trouble So I know if I was under the hood of a gasser and heard ticking coming from the rocker covers I would think a lifter was not getting proper oiling, or was collapsing or something. As I was under the 190D hood a bit ago attempting, yes attempting, to check the transmission fluid - stupid thing that dipstick is - I heard a somewhat intermittent tapping acompanying the normal klatta. Would tick for maybe 10 seconds, then stop ticking, then start again after a couple seconds. Is this normal racket to be coming from the engine? Or is this indicitive of a problem? Brian 87 190D 83 240D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Clean Engine and underpants, Why
Why do you change your underpants? A few skid marks are not a problem, right? The problem with a dirty engine is that some of the crud may block/partially block an oil passage, leading to problems. Also a cleanish engine will stay cooler because oil is also a cooling agent. End of the day they are not designed to have half a tonne of sludge sitting in the engine and if it is possible to clean/keep clean it is advised to do so. If it was just in the bottom of the pan it would not be such a drama but when the top end is sitting under half an inch of black goo it is a worry. Hendrik with fresh underpants this morning Peter T. Arnold wrote: I'm not sure why all of this somewhat impassioned talk goes on about a Clean Engine What is the reason that I should keep the internals of my engine Clean NOW don't misunderstand me, I am not in favor of Dirty engine but, I do not get too excited if there is 1/4 of sludge in the bottom of my pan. That's why the pan was designed the way it is, to hold settled stuff for the lifetime of the engine. It seem that changing oil on a regular basis does a fine job of keeping the Lifters/Oil Passages/ Oil pick-up/rockers etc in a serviceably clean condition. What is to be gained doing any more? BTW, I switched my Benz from DINO to Mobile1 for the cold start improvement at about 150Kmi. I changed oil at 10Kmi, analysis at that time shoed the oil was about 30% spent. I began changing at 20KMI, support by anaysis I could have gone to 25 or 30. No leaks, no oil related problems. -- Pete Arnold ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ranting and raving
It is advisable to double check the torque on wheel bolts/nuts after a visit to the tire shop, unless you know that the shop do good work. Another side affect of over tightened lugs is that if you have a flat it is hard to undo with the standard tire wrench, especially for the fairer sex. Nothing worse than going to the aid of a damsel in distress only to find that the job has you beat as well. LarryT wrote: I went thru a similar situation with my 300D recently. Had the tires rotated and the front end aligned. When they put the lugs on they were wy to tight. When I got home I couldn;t break them loose. Took it back to the shop and a huge guy came around with a torque wrench (clicker type) and he wanted to prove he did it right - loosened one, and tightened it - pulled it until it clicked and continued another 1/8 turn or so, then gave it another pull for good measure for a total of 1/4 turn extra. Instead of ~90 #s it was probably closer to 120 or more. I started to show him how to use a torque wrench but his attitude told me he didn;t want anyone to show him the right way.When he warps someones expensive rotors maybe he'll listen. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ticking noise - normal or trouble
Just a bit of rubber hose works very well too, one end on the engine, other at your ear. A monaural stethoscope! --R Tom Hargrave wrote: This could be several things but most likely it's lifter noise. Can you get your hands on a stethoscope? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] synthetic oil prices
Unfortunately yes it is expensive over here, not sure why. Perhaps a lack of competition? Anyway I was in the local GM dealer the other day and on the counter they had an advertising thingy for castrol oils, basicallly it was three sealed tubes about 4 inches long with oil and a ball bearing. One tube had synthetic, one had semi-synthetic and the last had dino. The point of it was, when you tipped it over you could see the ball bearings 'race' each other down. The fully synthetic always won, the semi was half as fast and the dino took forever. Hendrik who had hours of fun watching the pretty ball bearings race LarryT wrote: I get 5 qts (~ liters) of Mobil 1 for around $22 at Walmart/ Please don't tell me you're really paying $60/5 Liters unless it's monopoly money ;-) Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
