Re: [MBZ] W123 parts
I was asking the group in general; I suspect I may be contributing to the availability of parts soon :/ -- John W Reames jream...@verizon.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Jul 23, 2014, at 22:45, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: If you're asking me, I have two spare grilles IIRC and a bunch of palomino door and rear wagon panels On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 5:48 PM, John Reames via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Any ideas what I'd be looking at in parts-- 123.133, hood, grille, driver fender, metal behind grille, drivers lamps, condenser, radiator, etc. Strangely enough I have a oil cooler. -- John W Reames jream...@verizon.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] '08 CLK 350 Electric Cooling Fan Update
When the car is started first thing in the morning, the electric fan works/AC works. When I restart the car when it is at normal operating temp, the white (not red) coolant alarm is in and the electric fan will not come on. This, of course, locks out the AC compressor but everything else works fine. What do I need to replace? Bob R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W124 Lower Control Arms and Ball joints - cost comparison
I just ordered new parts for my 1985 300D from Gary. He is very helpful in making sure I get the right part and the right quality of the part. I just recieved new Lemforder Tie Rod Assemblies, a drag link and a Bilstien steering shock. I communicate with him and place my orders via email. His service and shipping are always top notch. Mike Michael E. Esh me...@horizonenv.com michael...@mac.com http://www.yugster.com/invite/138123 (C) 231.286.2344 On Jul 23, 2014, at 01:27 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Ordering them from our Emperor of Parts, I assume? After all, he has been of assistance with identifying proper vendors and sorting out part numbers, right? It's important that you pay it back, so to speak. At least it's the right thing to do, of course. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jul 23, 2014, at 12:12 PM, LarryT via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: FYI - In case anyone is interested. I gave up any thought of doing it myself... Here's the cost comparison of installing complete LCA's Vs BJ's Bushings: *RR LCAs -* Labor - RR LCAs $240 (LR) Parts - 2 LCA's Bolts- $194 ea = $402 Total = *$642* *RR BJs, Bushings Bolts:* Labor = $300 (LR) parts = $230 Total = *$530.* so I'll save ~ $100 by just replacing the BJs and related hardware. I plan to order the BJ's and hardware shortly. It's been great getting your help! LarryT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] '08 CLK 350 Electric Cooling Fan Update
Somebody with the right computer magic should be able to tell you whats going on. I'd guess theres a sensor somewhere thats gone stupid. The nice thing about modern computer controlled vehicles is you can have that level of electronics interrogation. -Curt From: Bob Rentfro via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 7:20 AM Subject: [MBZ] '08 CLK 350 Electric Cooling Fan Update When the car is started first thing in the morning, the electric fan works/AC works. When I restart the car when it is at normal operating temp, the white (not red) coolant alarm is in and the electric fan will not come on. This, of course, locks out the AC compressor but everything else works fine. What do I need to replace? Bob R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W124 Lower Control Arms and Ball joints - cost comparison
That's great, Mike! I was chiding Larry because I know all too well that people will often ask trusted resources like Gary for information and then go off and find the items they're looking for elsewhere. As a former owner and employee of a service and parts business, I was often quite taken aback when people would do this. If someone comes to me to ask questions of me as a subject matter expert only to take that information and use it to patronize another supplier I would not help them again. Some might consider this not a nice thing to do, but for those who would, think about this the next time you do it: I spent years of my time and thousands of dollars to acquire the knowledge I have in specific areas. If I choose to share that information, I should receive something in kind in exchange. That might be shared knowledge of another discipline or even something tangible in some cases. It might be shared with the expectation of return business, for example. When I share that knowledge with someone and they use it elsewhere when I could potentially benefit from it, and they know this, I view it as stealing. Maybe that's harsh, and I would agree that it is to some extent. However, when someone does this they're affecting my livelihood. When I find a supplier or business who values me as a customer and willingly assists me, I'll honor that commitment by patronizing their establishment. Gary is a good example of this. My local MB dealer is the same way. Both of them will tell me if they think I can get a part elsewhere for less, for example. As a result of this, I have no problem paying what might be a slightly higher price for the right part. Gary will regularly tell me about a part that I can get from the dealer at the same aggregate price he could sell it to me. Brake discs are a good example of this. My local dealer will do the same. stepping off soapbox Sorry for the rant, and this is not a defense of Gary specifically. Because I have experienced similar situations in my former business life I'm really sensitive about it. When you're one of the people responsible for the well being of your livelihood and that of your employees, you get defensive about anything that takes money out of your pockets Dan Sent from my iPad On Jul 24, 2014, at 8:12 AM, Mike Esh michael...@mac.com wrote: I just ordered new parts for my 1985 300D from Gary. He is very helpful in making sure I get the right part and the right quality of the part. I just recieved new Lemforder Tie Rod Assemblies, a drag link and a Bilstien steering shock. I communicate with him and place my orders via email. His service and shipping are always top notch. Mike Michael E. Esh me...@horizonenv.com michael...@mac.com http://www.yugster.com/invite/138123 (C) 231.286.2344 On Jul 23, 2014, at 01:27 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Ordering them from our Emperor of Parts, I assume? After all, he has been of assistance with identifying proper vendors and sorting out part numbers, right? It's important that you pay it back, so to speak. At least it's the right thing to do, of course. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jul 23, 2014, at 12:12 PM, LarryT via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: FYI - In case anyone is interested. I gave up any thought of doing it myself... Here's the cost comparison of installing complete LCA's Vs BJ's Bushings: *RR LCAs -* Labor - RR LCAs $240 (LR) Parts - 2 LCA's Bolts- $194 ea = $402 Total = *$642* *RR BJs, Bushings Bolts:* Labor = $300 (LR) parts = $230 Total = *$530.* so I'll save ~ $100 by just replacing the BJs and related hardware. I plan to order the BJ's and hardware shortly. It's been great getting your help! LarryT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the
Re: [MBZ] W124 Lower Control Arms and Ball joints - cost comparison
Amen, Dan. ATTABOY. Wilton - Original Message - From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 8:54 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 Lower Control Arms and Ball joints - cost comparison That's great, Mike! I was chiding Larry because I know all too well that people will often ask trusted resources like Gary for information and then go off and find the items they're looking for elsewhere. As a former owner and employee of a service and parts business, I was often quite taken aback when people would do this. If someone comes to me to ask questions of me as a subject matter expert only to take that information and use it to patronize another supplier I would not help them again. Some might consider this not a nice thing to do, but for those who would, think about this the next time you do it: I spent years of my time and thousands of dollars to acquire the knowledge I have in specific areas. If I choose to share that information, I should receive something in kind in exchange. That might be shared knowledge of another discipline or even something tangible in some cases. It might be shared with the expectation of return business, for example. When I share that knowledge with someone and they use it elsewhere when I could potentially benefit from it, and they know this, I view it as stealing. Maybe that's harsh, and I would agree that it is to some extent. However, when someone does this they're affecting my livelihood. When I find a supplier or business who values me as a customer and willingly assists me, I'll honor that commitment by patronizing their establishment. Gary is a good example of this. My local MB dealer is the same way. Both of them will tell me if they think I can get a part elsewhere for less, for example. As a result of this, I have no problem paying what might be a slightly higher price for the right part. Gary will regularly tell me about a part that I can get from the dealer at the same aggregate price he could sell it to me. Brake discs are a good example of this. My local dealer will do the same. stepping off soapbox Sorry for the rant, and this is not a defense of Gary specifically. Because I have experienced similar situations in my former business life I'm really sensitive about it. When you're one of the people responsible for the well being of your livelihood and that of your employees, you get defensive about anything that takes money out of your pockets Dan Sent from my iPad On Jul 24, 2014, at 8:12 AM, Mike Esh michael...@mac.com wrote: I just ordered new parts for my 1985 300D from Gary. He is very helpful in making sure I get the right part and the right quality of the part. I just recieved new Lemforder Tie Rod Assemblies, a drag link and a Bilstien steering shock. I communicate with him and place my orders via email. His service and shipping are always top notch. Mike Michael E. Esh me...@horizonenv.com michael...@mac.com http://www.yugster.com/invite/138123 (C) 231.286.2344 On Jul 23, 2014, at 01:27 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Ordering them from our Emperor of Parts, I assume? After all, he has been of assistance with identifying proper vendors and sorting out part numbers, right? It's important that you pay it back, so to speak. At least it's the right thing to do, of course. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jul 23, 2014, at 12:12 PM, LarryT via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: FYI - In case anyone is interested. I gave up any thought of doing it myself... Here's the cost comparison of installing complete LCA's Vs BJ's Bushings: *RR LCAs -* Labor - RR LCAs $240 (LR) Parts - 2 LCA's Bolts- $194 ea = $402 Total = *$642* *RR BJs, Bushings Bolts:* Labor = $300 (LR) parts = $230 Total = *$530.* so I'll save ~ $100 by just replacing the BJs and related hardware. I plan to order the BJ's and hardware shortly. It's been great getting your help! LarryT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
Re: [MBZ] W124 Lower Control Arms and Ball joints - cost comparison
Well said Dan, right on. On Jul 24, 2014 8:55 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: That's great, Mike! I was chiding Larry because I know all too well that people will often ask trusted resources like Gary for information and then go off and find the items they're looking for elsewhere. As a former owner and employee of a service and parts business, I was often quite taken aback when people would do this. If someone comes to me to ask questions of me as a subject matter expert only to take that information and use it to patronize another supplier I would not help them again. Some might consider this not a nice thing to do, but for those who would, think about this the next time you do it: I spent years of my time and thousands of dollars to acquire the knowledge I have in specific areas. If I choose to share that information, I should receive something in kind in exchange. That might be shared knowledge of another discipline or even something tangible in some cases. It might be shared with the expectation of return business, for example. When I share that knowledge with someone and they use it elsewhere when I could potentially benefit from it, and they know this, I view it as stealing. Maybe that's harsh, and I would agree that it is to some extent. However, when someone does this they're affecting my livelihood. When I find a supplier or business who values me as a customer and willingly assists me, I'll honor that commitment by patronizing their establishment. Gary is a good example of this. My local MB dealer is the same way. Both of them will tell me if they think I can get a part elsewhere for less, for example. As a result of this, I have no problem paying what might be a slightly higher price for the right part. Gary will regularly tell me about a part that I can get from the dealer at the same aggregate price he could sell it to me. Brake discs are a good example of this. My local dealer will do the same. stepping off soapbox Sorry for the rant, and this is not a defense of Gary specifically. Because I have experienced similar situations in my former business life I'm really sensitive about it. When you're one of the people responsible for the well being of your livelihood and that of your employees, you get defensive about anything that takes money out of your pockets Dan Sent from my iPad On Jul 24, 2014, at 8:12 AM, Mike Esh michael...@mac.com wrote: I just ordered new parts for my 1985 300D from Gary. He is very helpful in making sure I get the right part and the right quality of the part. I just recieved new Lemforder Tie Rod Assemblies, a drag link and a Bilstien steering shock. I communicate with him and place my orders via email. His service and shipping are always top notch. Mike Michael E. Esh me...@horizonenv.com michael...@mac.com http://www.yugster.com/invite/138123 (C) 231.286.2344 On Jul 23, 2014, at 01:27 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Ordering them from our Emperor of Parts, I assume? After all, he has been of assistance with identifying proper vendors and sorting out part numbers, right? It's important that you pay it back, so to speak. At least it's the right thing to do, of course. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jul 23, 2014, at 12:12 PM, LarryT via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: FYI - In case anyone is interested. I gave up any thought of doing it myself... Here's the cost comparison of installing complete LCA's Vs BJ's Bushings: *RR LCAs -* Labor - RR LCAs $240 (LR) Parts - 2 LCA's Bolts- $194 ea = $402 Total = *$642* *RR BJs, Bushings Bolts:* Labor = $300 (LR) parts = $230 Total = *$530.* so I'll save ~ $100 by just replacing the BJs and related hardware. I plan to order the BJ's and hardware shortly. It's been great getting your help! LarryT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of
Re: [MBZ] '08 CLK 350 Electric Cooling Fan Update
My bet would be the coolant level sensor, but as Curt suggested, getting a diagnostics read-out would be a good start. Max Dillon, Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W123 parts
So you may be selling the afore mentioned parts? Max Dillon, Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W124 Lower Control Arms and Ball joints - cost comparison
He also sells Bilsteins --R On 7/24/14 8:54 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: That's great, Mike! I was chiding Larry because I know all too well that people will often ask trusted resources like Gary for information and then go off and find the items they're looking for elsewhere. As a former owner and employee of a service and parts business, I was often quite taken aback when people would do this. If someone comes to me to ask questions of me as a subject matter expert only to take that information and use it to patronize another supplier I would not help them again. Some might consider this not a nice thing to do, but for those who would, think about this the next time you do it: I spent years of my time and thousands of dollars to acquire the knowledge I have in specific areas. If I choose to share that information, I should receive something in kind in exchange. That might be shared knowledge of another discipline or even something tangible in some cases. It might be shared with the expectation of return business, for example. When I share that knowledge with someone and they use it elsewhere when I could potentially benefit from it, and they know this, I view it as stealing. Maybe that's harsh, and I would agree that it is to some extent. However, when someone does this they're affecting my livelihood. When I find a supplier or business who values me as a customer and willingly assists me, I'll honor that commitment by patronizing their establishment. Gary is a good example of this. My local MB dealer is the same way. Both of them will tell me if they think I can get a part elsewhere for less, for example. As a result of this, I have no problem paying what might be a slightly higher price for the right part. Gary will regularly tell me about a part that I can get from the dealer at the same aggregate price he could sell it to me. Brake discs are a good example of this. My local dealer will do the same. stepping off soapbox Sorry for the rant, and this is not a defense of Gary specifically. Because I have experienced similar situations in my former business life I'm really sensitive about it. When you're one of the people responsible for the well being of your livelihood and that of your employees, you get defensive about anything that takes money out of your pockets Dan Sent from my iPad On Jul 24, 2014, at 8:12 AM, Mike Esh michael...@mac.com wrote: I just ordered new parts for my 1985 300D from Gary. He is very helpful in making sure I get the right part and the right quality of the part. I just recieved new Lemforder Tie Rod Assemblies, a drag link and a Bilstien steering shock. I communicate with him and place my orders via email. His service and shipping are always top notch. Mike Michael E. Esh me...@horizonenv.com michael...@mac.com http://www.yugster.com/invite/138123 (C) 231.286.2344 On Jul 23, 2014, at 01:27 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Ordering them from our Emperor of Parts, I assume? After all, he has been of assistance with identifying proper vendors and sorting out part numbers, right? It's important that you pay it back, so to speak. At least it's the right thing to do, of course. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jul 23, 2014, at 12:12 PM, LarryT via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: FYI - In case anyone is interested. I gave up any thought of doing it myself... Here's the cost comparison of installing complete LCA's Vs BJ's Bushings: *RR LCAs -* Labor - RR LCAs $240 (LR) Parts - 2 LCA's Bolts- $194 ea = $402 Total = *$642* *RR BJs, Bushings Bolts:* Labor = $300 (LR) parts = $230 Total = *$530.* so I'll save ~ $100 by just replacing the BJs and related hardware. I plan to order the BJ's and hardware shortly. It's been great getting your help! LarryT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control
Re: [MBZ] Another Prospect, or How I Alienated A Potential Seller
They all melted in place due to global warming. --R On 7/23/14 10:50 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: OK, you twisted my arm. We learned that when the glaciers advanced during the ice age they gouged the bedrock with linear markings. These lines. still visible, indicate in which direction the glacier was moving. My hand shot up and I posed this question: When the glaciers retreated didn't they create another set of striations that could cause geologists to become confused? The professor, quick as a wink, replied Sure, if they turned around and flowed backwards. On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 5:24 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: Andrew wrote: Not to be too harsh about it, there are a ton of stupid questions asked all the time. What stupid questions have you come across recently? ...is that stupid enough?... Now tell us your stupid Glacial Geology Grad School question. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] 211 to buy?
After 50 years with at least 2 cars in the yard and coming and going very independently, SWMBO and I have made it through the last year reasonably well with only one car, the '87 300D, but there have been several times one of us had to cancel appointments or juggle activities to accommodate the other. I also stay fearful that I'm gonna be off somewhere and stay too long or forget that SWMBO needs the car. 'Been 2 or 3 times, too, when she stayed away too long and made me late, but I haven't said anything about it. 'Might be looking for a 211. What years were 211 CDI's? Maybe, even an E350, though somewhat blasphemous. ;) Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Another Prospect, or How I Alienated A Potential Seller
https://www.dropbox.com/s/vchqcx4i0iss33f/TdP7088.jpg --R On 7/23/14 11:35 PM, WILTON via Mercedes wrote: Mention of glacial activity reminds me of an area in the hills near Sondrestrom Air Base, Greenland, where the rounded, granite top of a hill was polished to a mirror finish by the glacier now visible about 10 miles away. I enjoyed driving my truck up onto it and watching my many visitors, including a couple of USAF generals, other military and civilian officials from headquarters and Danish, Canadian and Swedish government officials ponder the awesomeness of the time and power of boulders, smaller rocks, sand and fine, powder-like sand combined with ice under tremendous pressure and its imperceptible movements to perform such a task. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Another Prospect, or How I Alienated A Potential Seller
Yep, that's what they do - just melt in place (during a warming period, anyway) and drop debris (moraine) wherever it happens to be, not move backward, unless there's a quake to cause what was high on the slope under the glacier before the quake to be low after the quake. Wilton - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 9:48 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another Prospect, or How I Alienated A Potential Seller They all melted in place due to global warming. --R On 7/23/14 10:50 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: OK, you twisted my arm. We learned that when the glaciers advanced during the ice age they gouged the bedrock with linear markings. These lines. still visible, indicate in which direction the glacier was moving. My hand shot up and I posed this question: When the glaciers retreated didn't they create another set of striations that could cause geologists to become confused? The professor, quick as a wink, replied Sure, if they turned around and flowed backwards. On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 5:24 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: Andrew wrote: Not to be too harsh about it, there are a ton of stupid questions asked all the time. What stupid questions have you come across recently? ...is that stupid enough?... Now tell us your stupid Glacial Geology Grad School question. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 1980 300SD Tranny Issue
Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: Thats spec for most manual transmissions. My '88 GMC used the same. The Jetta uses GL4 gear oil but the transmission on that FWD car is really a transaxle... When my 1977 Saab was made, the spec was SAE 70 gear oil, I forget the GL number, but it was sulfur free and nearly odorless. By the mid 1980s, the recomendation had changed to SAE 30 (or maybe 10W30, can't remember for sure) motor oil. IIRC, it shifted a bit nicer with the proper (hard to find) gear oil than with 5W30 M1 in it. Chrysler's 1980s transaxles took motor oil in early years, then Dexron II or III later. AFAIK there was no mechanical change when the fluid changed. IIRC, my 1989 Horizon was happier with 5W30 M1 than with the Dexron that the factory put in it. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Another Prospect, or How I Alienated A Potential Seller
Rich Thomas via Mercedes wrote: They all melted in place due to global warming. You forgot to say man made. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 211 to buy?
WILTON via Mercedes wrote: After 50 years with at least 2 cars in the yard and coming and going very independently, SWMBO and I have made it through the last year reasonably well with only one car, the '87 300D, but there have been several times one of us had to cancel appointments or juggle activities to accommodate the other. I also stay fearful that I'm gonna be off somewhere and stay too long or forget that SWMBO needs the car. 'Been 2 or 3 times, too, when she stayed away too long and made me late, but I haven't said anything about it. 'Might be looking for a 211. What years were 211 CDI's? Maybe, even an E350, though somewhat blasphemous. ;) IIRC, RLE (RIP) used to say not to touch the 2003-2005 models. Also, IIRC, Jaime was more lenient. I know there was a CDI in 2005, I have an electronic variable turbo from one that I bought for a OM602 project that never happened. I'm pretty sure that all later years had a CDI or pee diesel available. Not so sure about 2003-2004. Anybody remember different, or claim to know more than those guys? I certainly have no personal knowledge of anything post 210. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Another Prospect, or How I Alienated A Potential Seller
That would be redundant --R On 7/24/14 10:14 AM, Mitch Haley wrote: Rich Thomas via Mercedes wrote: They all melted in place due to global warming. You forgot to say man made. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 211 to buy?
Weren't these built during the Daimler/Chrysler time frame? (bad) Dan Sent from my iPad On Jul 24, 2014, at 10:19 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: WILTON via Mercedes wrote: After 50 years with at least 2 cars in the yard and coming and going very independently, SWMBO and I have made it through the last year reasonably well with only one car, the '87 300D, but there have been several times one of us had to cancel appointments or juggle activities to accommodate the other. I also stay fearful that I'm gonna be off somewhere and stay too long or forget that SWMBO needs the car. 'Been 2 or 3 times, too, when she stayed away too long and made me late, but I haven't said anything about it. 'Might be looking for a 211. What years were 211 CDI's? Maybe, even an E350, though somewhat blasphemous. ;) IIRC, RLE (RIP) used to say not to touch the 2003-2005 models. Also, IIRC, Jaime was more lenient. I know there was a CDI in 2005, I have an electronic variable turbo from one that I bought for a OM602 project that never happened. I'm pretty sure that all later years had a CDI or pee diesel available. Not so sure about 2003-2004. Anybody remember different, or claim to know more than those guys? I certainly have no personal knowledge of anything post 210. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 211 to buy?
I've heard only good things about MB diesel sedans from 2005 and newer. Some really think the early cars with the straight six engine is better, I would get the best example of the newest car I could afford, if I were in that market. Max Dillon, Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 211 to buy?
If you are considering a diesel from the Blu era, and if you expect your money to outlive you and your spouse, how about a e250 (actually a e210 by engine displacement)? Then you know it really will be in showroom condition. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 211 to buy?
Yes sweet. I saw one at stealer few weeks ago.60k USD. GLK 250 might be better deal for 39k. On Jul 24, 2014 10:49 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: If you are considering a diesel from the Blu era, and if you expect your money to outlive you and your spouse, how about a e250 (actually a e210 by engine displacement)? Then you know it really will be in showroom condition. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W123 parts
This thread causes me to want to share an anecdote. I had a W123 240D that I had for a short time. Seems like it was just over a year. Had just over 300K on the clock, if memory serves, when the crankshaft broke. So, a local guy I had been talking to had a W123 300D that was basically nothing but rust, but a good engine, he was daily driving. My chassis was nearly rust free, the only rust was in the front quarters really so good chassis + good engine = car stays on the road that much longer. Couple months ago I was in the pull-apart looking for some parts for the Sportage I was driving and saw a blue W123 chassis, missing two of the doors, the hood and a quarter panel. Hmm ... mine was a blue W123, so I had a car just like it. So for nostalgia I'm looking around it, and see the rip in the seat I did on accident. The broken place on the dash that mine had ... this was *my* W123. So the guy says, after sending him an email, Yeah, it turned out to be too much trouble so I'm just driving the one I already had. *sighs* There is nothing quite like finding the car you had hoped would be fixed, stripped instead. On a related note, my truck died last weekend, so I'm suddenly in the market for a car. Anyone have a decent looking, great running car taking up too much space in the driveway? EdB On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 5:48 PM, John Reames via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Any ideas what I'd be looking at in parts-- 123.133, hood, grille, driver fender, metal behind grille, drivers lamps, condenser, radiator, etc. Strangely enough I have a oil cooler. -- John W Reames jream...@verizon.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- Das beste oder nichts. - *Gottlieb Daimler* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Another Prospect, or How I Alienated A Potential Seller
On 23/07/2014 9:50 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: OK, you twisted my arm. We learned that when the glaciers advanced during the ice age they gouged the bedrock with linear markings. These lines. still visible, indicate in which direction the glacier was moving. My hand shot up and I posed this question: When the glaciers retreated didn't they create another set of striations that could cause geologists to become confused? The professor, quick as a wink, replied Sure, if they turned around and flowed backwards. Even if they had made lines on a slow retreat as they melted, would they not have been in the same direction as their advance? I shouldn't think they would have started off in another direction to either side. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 211 to buy?
From the StarTekInfo site, the E320 211 CDI (211.026, with 648.961 inline 6 engine), was produced from 2004 to 2006. The E320 211 Bluetec began production 2007, 211.022, with 642.920 v6 engine. It looks like production ran through 2009, and then the 212 model was introduced in 2010. -Max ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W123 parts
I am your man if you need cherry123 palomino door and rear hatch panels for a 300D/TD. I also have a couple blue door panels and a hatch area headliner cover for a 300D/TD. They are all offered at below market prices. For all you W108/109/111 fans, I have TWO spare rariators, an oil cooler, a front bumper and rear bumper overriders for a 280SE 3.5 COUPE. Some of the coupe chrome is NOS or nearly so. On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 11:04 AM, Ed Booher via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: This thread causes me to want to share an anecdote. I had a W123 240D that I had for a short time. Seems like it was just over a year. Had just over 300K on the clock, if memory serves, when the crankshaft broke. So, a local guy I had been talking to had a W123 300D that was basically nothing but rust, but a good engine, he was daily driving. My chassis was nearly rust free, the only rust was in the front quarters really so good chassis + good engine = car stays on the road that much longer. Couple months ago I was in the pull-apart looking for some parts for the Sportage I was driving and saw a blue W123 chassis, missing two of the doors, the hood and a quarter panel. Hmm ... mine was a blue W123, so I had a car just like it. So for nostalgia I'm looking around it, and see the rip in the seat I did on accident. The broken place on the dash that mine had ... this was *my* W123. So the guy says, after sending him an email, Yeah, it turned out to be too much trouble so I'm just driving the one I already had. *sighs* There is nothing quite like finding the car you had hoped would be fixed, stripped instead. On a related note, my truck died last weekend, so I'm suddenly in the market for a car. Anyone have a decent looking, great running car taking up too much space in the driveway? EdB On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 5:48 PM, John Reames via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Any ideas what I'd be looking at in parts-- 123.133, hood, grille, driver fender, metal behind grille, drivers lamps, condenser, radiator, etc. Strangely enough I have a oil cooler. -- John W Reames jream...@verizon.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- Das beste oder nichts. - *Gottlieb Daimler* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W123 parts
On 24/07/2014 10:37 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: I am your man if you need cherry123 palomino door and rear hatch panels for a 300D/TD. I also have a couple blue door panels and a hatch area headliner cover for a 300D/TD. They are all offered at below market prices. For all you W108/109/111 fans, I have TWO spare rariators, an oil cooler, a front bumper and rear bumper overriders for a 280SE 3.5 COUPE. Some of the coupe chrome is NOS or nearly so. Ooooh! Rariators are very rare! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 211 to buy?
Thnx. Wilt - Original Message - From: Meade Dillon via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 11:37 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 211 to buy? From the StarTekInfo site, the E320 211 CDI (211.026, with 648.961 inline 6 engine), was produced from 2004 to 2006. The E320 211 Bluetec began production 2007, 211.022, with 642.920 v6 engine. It looks like production ran through 2009, and then the 212 model was introduced in 2010. -Max ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W123 parts
But make for a nice little laugh. ;) Keep 'em comin'. Wilt - Original Message - From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 12:04 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 parts On 24/07/2014 10:37 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: I am your man if you need cherry123 palomino door and rear hatch panels for a 300D/TD. I also have a couple blue door panels and a hatch area headliner cover for a 300D/TD. They are all offered at below market prices. For all you W108/109/111 fans, I have TWO spare rariators, an oil cooler, a front bumper and rear bumper overriders for a 280SE 3.5 COUPE. Some of the coupe chrome is NOS or nearly so. Ooooh! Rariators are very rare! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] Am I Nutz?
Giving some serious thought to looking at this: http://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/4529634045.html It's been on CL for almost a month. This is what the seller told me via email: I'm selling the car for my brother-inlaw John that lives in Califirnia. He bought the car new in 1984 and drove it to Florida about 15 years ago to keep at a Condo they have in Hunters Green. They just sold the Condo, and need to sell the car. It has been garage kept since it was new. John should have all the records when he had it in California. The car probably has less than 2k miles in the last 10 years. Thoughts? Opinions? Suggestions? Dan Sent from my iPad ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Am I Nutz?
Great color combo, provided the interior isn't oogy. The $3800 price - probably depends on the maintenance history. If it drives good, mileage is accurate, and blows ice cold then worth negotiating over. On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 12:52 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Giving some serious thought to looking at this: http://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/4529634045.html It's been on CL for almost a month. This is what the seller told me via email: I'm selling the car for my brother-inlaw John that lives in Califirnia. He bought the car new in 1984 and drove it to Florida about 15 years ago to keep at a Condo they have in Hunters Green. They just sold the Condo, and need to sell the car. It has been garage kept since it was new. John should have all the records when he had it in California. The car probably has less than 2k miles in the last 10 years. Thoughts? Opinions? Suggestions? Dan Sent from my iPad ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 1980 300SD Tranny Issue
Currently I've got Redline MTL and MT-90 mixed in the Jetta 50/50 but I'm thinking to switch it to all MTL this fall. The MTL is a little thinner and should shift easier in the cold. The factory VW stuff is very thin and can be noisy in older cars. The mix wasn't bad last winter but would be stiff for the first couple shifts at below zero temps. I want to change again because the stuff that came out last fall was nasty and smelled bad. I've put 15,000 miles on the car and the trans is way quieter now... Curt Sent from my iPhone On Jul 24, 2014, at 10:11 AM, Mitch Haley mi...@mitchellhaley.com wrote: Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: Thats spec for most manual transmissions. My '88 GMC used the same. The Jetta uses GL4 gear oil but the transmission on that FWD car is really a transaxle... When my 1977 Saab was made, the spec was SAE 70 gear oil, I forget the GL number, but it was sulfur free and nearly odorless. By the mid 1980s, the recomendation had changed to SAE 30 (or maybe 10W30, can't remember for sure) motor oil. IIRC, it shifted a bit nicer with the proper (hard to find) gear oil than with 5W30 M1 in it. Chrysler's 1980s transaxles took motor oil in early years, then Dexron II or III later. AFAIK there was no mechanical change when the fluid changed. IIRC, my 1989 Horizon was happier with 5W30 M1 than with the Dexron that the factory put in it. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Am I Nutz?
All that non-factory chrome is pretty tacky. I'll bet it has the no-dust wheel inserts, so the front rotors are warped. I'd ditch those chrome wheels in a heartbeat, if not properly done then the alloy base metal can turn into chalky dust. Other than that, very low miles for that car, if truly garage kept then the paint should be fantastic and the interior won't be baked out. -Max ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Another Prospect, or How I Alienated A Potential Seller
Melt in place. ;) Wilt - Original Message - From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 11:16 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another Prospect, or How I Alienated A Potential Seller On 23/07/2014 9:50 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: OK, you twisted my arm. We learned that when the glaciers advanced during the ice age they gouged the bedrock with linear markings. These lines. still visible, indicate in which direction the glacier was moving. My hand shot up and I posed this question: When the glaciers retreated didn't they create another set of striations that could cause geologists to become confused? The professor, quick as a wink, replied Sure, if they turned around and flowed backwards. Even if they had made lines on a slow retreat as they melted, would they not have been in the same direction as their advance? I shouldn't think they would have started off in another direction to either side. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 211 to buy?
BTW, I shoulda bought Angelo Giaimo's friend's '91 350SDL with MB crate engine. Procrastinated coupla days too long. Wilton - Original Message - From: Meade Dillon via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 11:37 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 211 to buy? From the StarTekInfo site, the E320 211 CDI (211.026, with 648.961 inline 6 engine), was produced from 2004 to 2006. The E320 211 Bluetec began production 2007, 211.022, with 642.920 v6 engine. It looks like production ran through 2009, and then the 212 model was introduced in 2010. -Max ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Another Prospect, or How I Alienated A Potential Seller
On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 1:17 PM, WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Melt in place. ;) In fairness, if you're going to say they advance then it makes sense to say they retreat. ... Best, Tim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Am I Nutz?
I’m with Max on the chrome trim, but it can all be corrected. Jon On Jul 24, 2014, at 1:12 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: All that non-factory chrome is pretty tacky. I'll bet it has the no-dust wheel inserts, so the front rotors are warped. I'd ditch those chrome wheels in a heartbeat, if not properly done then the alloy base metal can turn into chalky dust. Other than that, very low miles for that car, if truly garage kept then the paint should be fantastic and the interior won't be baked out. -Max ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Am I Nutz?
Probably, but you should still buy that car. I'd say $3k but if exceptional then go a bit more. I have 2, they are easy enough to work on, not all electronicked up, and ride really nice at 80mph+. Might need new tars and the various rubber bits if it has not been driven a lot, you can use that for negotiation. --R On 7/24/14 12:52 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: Giving some serious thought to looking at this: http://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/4529634045.html It's been on CL for almost a month. This is what the seller told me via email: I'm selling the car for my brother-inlaw John that lives in Califirnia. He bought the car new in 1984 and drove it to Florida about 15 years ago to keep at a Condo they have in Hunters Green. They just sold the Condo, and need to sell the car. It has been garage kept since it was new. John should have all the records when he had it in California. The car probably has less than 2k miles in the last 10 years. Thoughts? Opinions? Suggestions? Dan Sent from my iPad ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Am I Nutz?
I would probably shoot for $2500 if everything was solid and intact. Sitting for long periods like that is not a good thing and would play into the negotiations big time. The seller doesn't appear to have a lot of interest in the car based on what was said, and the price may be coming from the owner. We'll see. I hate the flat multi-hole wheels and would much rather have bundts, but you take the good with the bad. Note that it has California plates. That's not good, as CA is a total PITA to get registrations and titles from. I'm going to take a look at it tomorrow after work if I can set something up with the seller. I'm thinking this could be a good car for the elder son, as the 300E, bless it's heart, is getting a bit long in the tooth and is going to need some major work in the future. I would rather part with it intact than have to patch it up to sell it. More as I know it. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jul 24, 2014, at 1:31 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Probably, but you should still buy that car. I'd say $3k but if exceptional then go a bit more. I have 2, they are easy enough to work on, not all electronicked up, and ride really nice at 80mph+. Might need new tars and the various rubber bits if it has not been driven a lot, you can use that for negotiation. --R On 7/24/14 12:52 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: Giving some serious thought to looking at this: http://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/4529634045.html It's been on CL for almost a month. This is what the seller told me via email: I'm selling the car for my brother-inlaw John that lives in Califirnia. He bought the car new in 1984 and drove it to Florida about 15 years ago to keep at a Condo they have in Hunters Green. They just sold the Condo, and need to sell the car. It has been garage kept since it was new. John should have all the records when he had it in California. The car probably has less than 2k miles in the last 10 years. Thoughts? Opinions? Suggestions? Dan Sent from my iPad ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Am I Nutz?
That all makes sense. That is a good car, lowish miles, looks in good shape ext/int but you will have to point out how these old dizzels like to be driven, sitting like that is not good, rubber deteriorates, tires are probably at least 10yr old (that's $500 right there for a new set). You might want to look at the fuel, maybe drain at bit at the clear filter, oil, etc. Check suspension front and back for any indications of rubber gone bad, squeaks, clunks, etc. Take a jack to lift up the front corners, rattle the wheels to check BJs and bearings. Of course the AC, which is likely still R12 which might or might not be an issue depending on if you want to use replacements. Those wheels are later additions? They look like SEL wheels but the chrome? Wonder if he still has the bundts if it came with them? If you could get it for $2500 that would be a nice car, last one I bought I went to $3k as it was in pretty good shape and that was a few years back, had all the service records since new. If he has had it for a month and not sold, offer the $2500 see what happens. Good luck! I love that color. --R On 7/24/14 1:40 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: I would probably shoot for $2500 if everything was solid and intact. Sitting for long periods like that is not a good thing and would play into the negotiations big time. The seller doesn't appear to have a lot of interest in the car based on what was said, and the price may be coming from the owner. We'll see. I hate the flat multi-hole wheels and would much rather have bundts, but you take the good with the bad. Note that it has California plates. That's not good, as CA is a total PITA to get registrations and titles from. I'm going to take a look at it tomorrow after work if I can set something up with the seller. I'm thinking this could be a good car for the elder son, as the 300E, bless it's heart, is getting a bit long in the tooth and is going to need some major work in the future. I would rather part with it intact than have to patch it up to sell it. More as I know it. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jul 24, 2014, at 1:31 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Probably, but you should still buy that car. I'd say $3k but if exceptional then go a bit more. I have 2, they are easy enough to work on, not all electronicked up, and ride really nice at 80mph+. Might need new tars and the various rubber bits if it has not been driven a lot, you can use that for negotiation. --R On 7/24/14 12:52 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: Giving some serious thought to looking at this: http://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/4529634045.html It's been on CL for almost a month. This is what the seller told me via email: I'm selling the car for my brother-inlaw John that lives in Califirnia. He bought the car new in 1984 and drove it to Florida about 15 years ago to keep at a Condo they have in Hunters Green. They just sold the Condo, and need to sell the car. It has been garage kept since it was new. John should have all the records when he had it in California. The car probably has less than 2k miles in the last 10 years. Thoughts? Opinions? Suggestions? Dan Sent from my iPad ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] 211 to buy?
In my search, last year, for a CDI, I found mostly 2005 model year available, with a few of the almost identical 2006's also around. These straight 6 models were also made in 2004 and probably earlier. But I'm not sure the CDI's were available in North America before 2005. In 2007 through 2009 they went to the Blue-Tech V-6 engine, which are supposed to be very nice, but certainly more expensive. The straight six's of 2005-06 seem bullet-proof and powerful. But this car also has SBC brakes, which is an electronically controlled braking system of controversial reliability. The post 2007's have a more conventional braking system. I remember the Chrysler affiliation ending in 2006. I bought a 2006 CDI, with 100k mi, last October. So far I'm really glad I bought it. It is the nicest and by far the fasted MB diesel I've owned in my 30 years of driving 123 and 124 diesels. I often get better than 40 mpg on highway. And the electronic brakes are amazingly effective. So far, in 25k+ miles, I've had no problems. I've owned Chryslers before, and this MB has done nothing Chrysler like to me yet. I did a fair amount of research before buying one. Found the gasoline versions of the W211 were plagued with engine failures and other problems causing prices noticeably lower than the diesel models. But almost every consumer who reviewed their diesel loved it. I'm sure YMMV. Just my $0.02 worth, Ned Kleinhenz ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 211 to buy?
They sure don't produce a particular engine for very long Sent from my iPhone On Jul 24, 2014, at 10:37 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: From the StarTekInfo site, the E320 211 CDI (211.026, with 648.961 inline 6 engine), was produced from 2004 to 2006. The E320 211 Bluetec began production 2007, 211.022, with 642.920 v6 engine. It looks like production ran through 2009, and then the 212 model was introduced in 2010. -Max ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 1980 300SD Tranny Issue
Redline MTL has worked like magic in every stick box i've put it in; i wouldn't hesitate to recommend it. cheers! e On 24/Jul/14 10:06, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: Currently I've got Redline MTL and MT-90 mixed in the Jetta 50/50 but I'm thinking to switch it to all MTL this fall. The MTL is a little thinner and should shift easier in the cold. The factory VW stuff is very thin and can be noisy in older cars. The mix wasn't bad last winter but would be stiff for the first couple shifts at below zero temps. I want to change again because the stuff that came out last fall was nasty and smelled bad. I've put 15,000 miles on the car and the trans is way quieter now... Curt Sent from my iPhone On Jul 24, 2014, at 10:11 AM, Mitch Haley mi...@mitchellhaley.com wrote: Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: Thats spec for most manual transmissions. My '88 GMC used the same. The Jetta uses GL4 gear oil but the transmission on that FWD car is really a transaxle... When my 1977 Saab was made, the spec was SAE 70 gear oil, I forget the GL number, but it was sulfur free and nearly odorless. By the mid 1980s, the recomendation had changed to SAE 30 (or maybe 10W30, can't remember for sure) motor oil. IIRC, it shifted a bit nicer with the proper (hard to find) gear oil than with 5W30 M1 in it. Chrysler's 1980s transaxles took motor oil in early years, then Dexron II or III later. AFAIK there was no mechanical change when the fluid changed. IIRC, my 1989 Horizon was happier with 5W30 M1 than with the Dexron that the factory put in it. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Am I Nutz?
Exactly. CA likes to hold cars hostage if the registration isn't current, no matter what the reason. When I bought my 1962 300SE out of a CA estate, I ended up using a bogus title service to get it clear of the nearly $2k in back fees CA wanted before they would release the title. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jul 24, 2014, at 1:57 PM, Mitch Haley mi...@mitchellhaley.com wrote: Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: I hate the flat multi-hole wheels and would much rather have bundts, but you take the good with the bad. Note that it has California plates. That's not good, as CA is a total PITA to get registrations and titles from. I hope it has current CA plates, or somebody might have to pay the back registration fees before the title will be released. OTOH, my nephew-in-law drove around on expired CA plates for many years in multiple states before moving back to CA. When they moved back to CA a couple of years ago, his VIN didn't show up as having any debts against it. Apparently it had been too many years for it to still be in the computer. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 211 to buy?
After I close on my 20 acre ranch next month I'm going to be looking to replace the GL I had to sell in order to put the real estate deal together. Thought I want another gl, them maybe a diesel ml, but am thinking about a 05-06 e320 cdi, they are cheaper too Sent from my iPhone On Jul 24, 2014, at 12:59 PM, ned kleinhenz via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: In my search, last year, for a CDI, I found mostly 2005 model year available, with a few of the almost identical 2006's also around. These straight 6 models were also made in 2004 and probably earlier. But I'm not sure the CDI's were available in North America before 2005. In 2007 through 2009 they went to the Blue-Tech V-6 engine, which are supposed to be very nice, but certainly more expensive. The straight six's of 2005-06 seem bullet-proof and powerful. But this car also has SBC brakes, which is an electronically controlled braking system of controversial reliability. The post 2007's have a more conventional braking system. I remember the Chrysler affiliation ending in 2006. I bought a 2006 CDI, with 100k mi, last October. So far I'm really glad I bought it. It is the nicest and by far the fasted MB diesel I've owned in my 30 years of driving 123 and 124 diesels. I often get better than 40 mpg on highway. And the electronic brakes are amazingly effective. So far, in 25k+ miles, I've had no problems. I've owned Chryslers before, and this MB has done nothing Chrysler like to me yet. I did a fair amount of research before buying one. Found the gasoline versions of the W211 were plagued with engine failures and other problems causing prices noticeably lower than the diesel models. But almost every consumer who reviewed their diesel loved it. I'm sure YMMV. Just my $0.02 worth, Ned Kleinhenz ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Another Prospect, or How I Alienated A Potential Seller
I'd like to introduce Tim. He's my new publicist. On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 1:22 PM, Tim Crone via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 1:17 PM, WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Melt in place. ;) In fairness, if you're going to say they advance then it makes sense to say they retreat. ... Best, Tim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Six Million Dollar tumbler
I took the car along the next day to make sure the key worked all around, and to get some spares. I asked if he had rebuilt the lock. He did not. The PO had used graphite to keep his key turning in the lock, and that had gummed it up something fierce. A good blasting with Tri-flow to remove the snot got it back to working order just fine. clay On Jul 18, 2014, at 6:15 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: I've never seen a 107 key but on a 123 matching an ignition to the doors is simplicity itself if you have the original lock, you pull the tumblers and swap them over. Tumblers is not a very descriptive word here, they're little spring loaded wafers. The biggest part of the job is cleaning everything real good. I *think* that most bad tumblers are probably fine and just need a real good cleaning. Interestingly my Jetta uses a VERY similar system and now knowing that I'm very tempted to re-key it to use a Mercedes key... -Curt From: clay via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, July 18, 2014 12:58 AM Subject: [MBZ] Six Million Dollar tumbler Ok, not that expensive, but much like the 70's TV show, the ignition cylinder was rebuilt. 1974 450 SL I had ordered a factory tumbler and key from the local dealer, per instruction from Classic Center. That was April. I got impatient and found a complete lock cylinder off fleabay and had my indy install that when I was able to get the locked up tumbler to turn. I had intended the hardware to be back up if the old one had to be drilled. I have been driving on two keys since May. One for the doors, the other to light off. I was thinking. A very dangerous thing at times. where in tarnation is my dang tumbler the Black Forest Elves are supposed to be making? I need to contact the dealer to see if it got lost, but, being a lazy butt and it being hot outside, and I am not in the mood to pick up the phone, and would rather be lied to my face, than my ear, I have not done that. Maybe in the morrow. I recalled information about a local lock shop that can rebuild the tumbler and make me a coded key for it. That sounds interesting, I thunk to myself. I have about seven gallons of waste oil that needed disposal, and the FLAPS was sort of on the way, so I packed up the dead lock set and took it to the shop. Feller at the shop grabs it and scurried off to the back with not much verbal interplay. I stood about wondering what magic he intended, or had he absconded with my lock and was now posting it on Fleabay. A few minutes later he came back and said it was fairly mucked up. Four thirty. Forty-five. I heard $430. ?? Forty five? A range of price? Nope. He would charge me $45 and have it ready by 1630. SWEET! Steel key and coded to the car. Half the cost of the GERMAN tumbler. I jumped on it. When I picked it up, he assured me it was fully functional, but I should test it on the doors, just for good measure. If it was not good, bring it back and he would adjust it. I tried it on the doors. Driver door was good, Passenger and trunk, not so much. I will be driving the car there in the morning, after I get the bread dough out from rising over night in the ice box. clay 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately well tailored chap 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of
Re: [MBZ] 1980 300SD Tranny Issue
i used MTL in both my VW rabbit and 220D with good results On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 2:36 PM, ernest breakfield via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Redline MTL has worked like magic in every stick box i've put it in; i wouldn't hesitate to recommend it. cheers! e On 24/Jul/14 10:06, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: Currently I've got Redline MTL and MT-90 mixed in the Jetta 50/50 but I'm thinking to switch it to all MTL this fall. The MTL is a little thinner and should shift easier in the cold. The factory VW stuff is very thin and can be noisy in older cars. The mix wasn't bad last winter but would be stiff for the first couple shifts at below zero temps. I want to change again because the stuff that came out last fall was nasty and smelled bad. I've put 15,000 miles on the car and the trans is way quieter now... Curt Sent from my iPhone On Jul 24, 2014, at 10:11 AM, Mitch Haley mi...@mitchellhaley.com wrote: Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: Thats spec for most manual transmissions. My '88 GMC used the same. The Jetta uses GL4 gear oil but the transmission on that FWD car is really a transaxle... When my 1977 Saab was made, the spec was SAE 70 gear oil, I forget the GL number, but it was sulfur free and nearly odorless. By the mid 1980s, the recomendation had changed to SAE 30 (or maybe 10W30, can't remember for sure) motor oil. IIRC, it shifted a bit nicer with the proper (hard to find) gear oil than with 5W30 M1 in it. Chrysler's 1980s transaxles took motor oil in early years, then Dexron II or III later. AFAIK there was no mechanical change when the fluid changed. IIRC, my 1989 Horizon was happier with 5W30 M1 than with the Dexron that the factory put in it. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Am I Nutz?
Ask if it has a trap oxidizer. :) On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 2:44 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Exactly. CA likes to hold cars hostage if the registration isn't current, no matter what the reason. When I bought my 1962 300SE out of a CA estate, I ended up using a bogus title service to get it clear of the nearly $2k in back fees CA wanted before they would release the title. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jul 24, 2014, at 1:57 PM, Mitch Haley mi...@mitchellhaley.com wrote: Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: I hate the flat multi-hole wheels and would much rather have bundts, but you take the good with the bad. Note that it has California plates. That's not good, as CA is a total PITA to get registrations and titles from. I hope it has current CA plates, or somebody might have to pay the back registration fees before the title will be released. OTOH, my nephew-in-law drove around on expired CA plates for many years in multiple states before moving back to CA. When they moved back to CA a couple of years ago, his VIN didn't show up as having any debts against it. Apparently it had been too many years for it to still be in the computer. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Six Million Dollar tumbler
locksmith was pretty strident about never using graphite to lube a lock. I did not press why. Tri-flow or some other penetrating lube is what the shop used on most everything clay On Jul 18, 2014, at 8:31 AM, Craig via Mercedes wrote: On Fri, 18 Jul 2014 07:02:17 -0700 Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I've got a little bottle of lock lube with PTFE thats the greatest stuff. Whatever the carrier is it cuts through road dirt that hardens up most locks and makes 'em sticky. The trunk lock in the Jetta is particularly bad for that. When we were in Michigan we were getting in the trunk nearly every day and the lock worked good. I went to open it today and its sticky again. I need to pull it apart and clean it good but the goop has done a pretty good job so far. I recall hearing that one should be careful on using lock lube on W124s with alarm systems, that only the special Mercedes stuff should be used and never graphite. Does anyone know any more about this? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 211 to buy?
Thnx. Wilt - Original Message - From: ned kleinhenz via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 1:59 PM Subject: [MBZ] 211 to buy? In my search, last year, for a CDI, I found mostly 2005 model year available, with a few of the almost identical 2006's also around. These straight 6 models were also made in 2004 and probably earlier. But I'm not sure the CDI's were available in North America before 2005. In 2007 through 2009 they went to the Blue-Tech V-6 engine, which are supposed to be very nice, but certainly more expensive. The straight six's of 2005-06 seem bullet-proof and powerful. But this car also has SBC brakes, which is an electronically controlled braking system of controversial reliability. The post 2007's have a more conventional braking system. I remember the Chrysler affiliation ending in 2006. I bought a 2006 CDI, with 100k mi, last October. So far I'm really glad I bought it. It is the nicest and by far the fasted MB diesel I've owned in my 30 years of driving 123 and 124 diesels. I often get better than 40 mpg on highway. And the electronic brakes are amazingly effective. So far, in 25k+ miles, I've had no problems. I've owned Chryslers before, and this MB has done nothing Chrysler like to me yet. I did a fair amount of research before buying one. Found the gasoline versions of the W211 were plagued with engine failures and other problems causing prices noticeably lower than the diesel models. But almost every consumer who reviewed their diesel loved it. I'm sure YMMV. Just my $0.02 worth, Ned Kleinhenz ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 211 to buy?
On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 1:45 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: After I close on my 20 acre ranch next month Wow! How *many* old MBs are you going to have to buy to fill up 20 acres? -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Six Million Dollar tumbler
ATTABOY. Wilt - Original Message - From: clay via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 2:53 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Six Million Dollar tumbler I took the car along the next day to make sure the key worked all around, and to get some spares. I asked if he had rebuilt the lock. He did not. The PO had used graphite to keep his key turning in the lock, and that had gummed it up something fierce. A good blasting with Tri-flow to remove the snot got it back to working order just fine. clay On Jul 18, 2014, at 6:15 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: I've never seen a 107 key but on a 123 matching an ignition to the doors is simplicity itself if you have the original lock, you pull the tumblers and swap them over. Tumblers is not a very descriptive word here, they're little spring loaded wafers. The biggest part of the job is cleaning everything real good. I *think* that most bad tumblers are probably fine and just need a real good cleaning. Interestingly my Jetta uses a VERY similar system and now knowing that I'm very tempted to re-key it to use a Mercedes key... -Curt From: clay via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, July 18, 2014 12:58 AM Subject: [MBZ] Six Million Dollar tumbler Ok, not that expensive, but much like the 70's TV show, the ignition cylinder was rebuilt. 1974 450 SL I had ordered a factory tumbler and key from the local dealer, per instruction from Classic Center. That was April. I got impatient and found a complete lock cylinder off fleabay and had my indy install that when I was able to get the locked up tumbler to turn. I had intended the hardware to be back up if the old one had to be drilled. I have been driving on two keys since May. One for the doors, the other to light off. I was thinking. A very dangerous thing at times. where in tarnation is my dang tumbler the Black Forest Elves are supposed to be making? I need to contact the dealer to see if it got lost, but, being a lazy butt and it being hot outside, and I am not in the mood to pick up the phone, and would rather be lied to my face, than my ear, I have not done that. Maybe in the morrow. I recalled information about a local lock shop that can rebuild the tumbler and make me a coded key for it. That sounds interesting, I thunk to myself. I have about seven gallons of waste oil that needed disposal, and the FLAPS was sort of on the way, so I packed up the dead lock set and took it to the shop. Feller at the shop grabs it and scurried off to the back with not much verbal interplay. I stood about wondering what magic he intended, or had he absconded with my lock and was now posting it on Fleabay. A few minutes later he came back and said it was fairly mucked up. Four thirty. Forty-five. I heard $430. ?? Forty five? A range of price? Nope. He would charge me $45 and have it ready by 1630. SWEET! Steel key and coded to the car. Half the cost of the GERMAN tumbler. I jumped on it. When I picked it up, he assured me it was fully functional, but I should test it on the doors, just for good measure. If it was not good, bring it back and he would adjust it. I tried it on the doors. Driver door was good, Passenger and trunk, not so much. I will be driving the car there in the morning, after I get the bread dough out from rising over night in the ice box. clay 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately well tailored chap 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All
Re: [MBZ] W124 Lower Control Arms and Ball joints - cost comparison
while selling it would certainly be the easier path, when I consider the rest of the stuff I've done recently and the overall condition of the car makes me think this is the right way forward.A recent oil analysis shows the engine to be perfect so keeping it is a good direction to move in. Of course, that doesn't mean I will be able to continue to convince my wife that new cars are evil and must be avoided ;-) She's starting to catch on. but yeah, i see what you mean. Then again, when i consider spending $530 once Vs spending $300 or $400 per month (or more) every month I lose interest. LarryT On 7/23/2014 12:18 PM, Dwight Giles wrote: I would wonder the opposite if 112 extra was cheap to have it all done at once since it seems you plan to keep the car. My 2 cents. On Jul 23, 2014 12:12 PM, LarryT via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: FYI - In case anyone is interested. I gave up any thought of doing it myself... Here's the cost comparison of installing complete LCA's Vs BJ's Bushings: *RR LCAs -* Labor - RR LCAs $240 (LR) Parts - 2 LCA's Bolts- $194 ea = $402 Total = *$642* *RR BJs, Bushings Bolts:* Labor = $300 (LR) parts = $230 Total = *$530.* so I'll save ~ $100 by just replacing the BJs and related hardware. I plan to order the BJ's and hardware shortly. It's been great getting your help! LarryT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W124 Lower Control Arms and Ball joints - cost comparison
That's the result of a double check - I stopped back by the shop yesterday to confirm I had the numbers right. It's a great little shop BTW -- they did a 4 wheel alignment on my 911 for ~$65 when other shops get twice that or more. Larry On 7/23/2014 1:25 PM, Meade Dillon wrote: Double check your labor quotes, doesn't make sense that there is only one extra hour required (assuming $60 per hour) to remove/install four bushings and two ball joints. Max Dillon, Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] Fw: Another Prospect, or How I Alienated A Potential Seller
- Original Message - From: WILTON To: Tim Crone Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 3:13 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another Prospect, or How I Alienated A Potential Seller 'Point being, though, when they (entire glaciers) are advancing, they are literally sliding downhill, taking anything in the way, such as pieces of mountains, boulders, rocks (moraine), abrasive materials, etc., with 'em. A retreating glacier merely appears to retreat - the face melts away/back - the glacier does not really move backward - what's there is still sliding downhill. If melt rate is greater than sliding/advancing rate, it appears to retreat. Wilton Original Message - From: Tim Crone To: WILTON ; Mercedes Discussion List Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 1:22 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another Prospect, or How I Alienated A Potential Seller On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 1:17 PM, WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Melt in place. ;) In fairness, if you're going to say they advance then it makes sense to say they retreat. ... Best, Tim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 211 to buy?
This is what you need to replace the GL -- http://oklahomacity.craigslist.org/cto/4545979575.html On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 1:45 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: After I close on my 20 acre ranch next month I'm going to be looking to replace the GL I had to sell in order to put the real estate deal together. Thought I want another gl, them maybe a diesel ml, but am thinking about a 05-06 e320 cdi, they are cheaper too -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W124 Lower Control Arms and Ball joints - cost comparison
I thought the whole LCAs should be easier also -- that's why i checked it twice.They said popping the BJs and bushings out was never as easy as they hoped. I dunno -- somewhere around here i have shop labor rates -- I'll see what it says Larry On 7/23/2014 10:04 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes wrote: Lower control arms come with new bushings and new ball joints, so it's just a swap complete. Have to do a front end alignment in either case if you replace the bushings, ball joints usually not. Labor is about the same, it only take a couple minutes to pop the bushings and ball joints in and out with the control arm out of the car. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 211 to buy?
That's what he needs, he's gonna get in on that deal to foster the illegal kids coming over the border, he can put them to work on his 20acres and haul them around in it. That'll hold 20 or 30 judging by what I saw in Houston. --R On 7/24/14 3:32 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote: This is what you need to replace the GL -- http://oklahomacity.craigslist.org/cto/4545979575.html On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 1:45 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: After I close on my 20 acre ranch next month I'm going to be looking to replace the GL I had to sell in order to put the real estate deal together. Thought I want another gl, them maybe a diesel ml, but am thinking about a 05-06 e320 cdi, they are cheaper too ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Am I Nutz?
The '87 300D I stripped parts from in the Richmond pick-n-pull still had the trap oxidizer, #14 head, ~350,000 miles on the odometer. I found no obvious reason for it to be junked, I would guess that the transmission gave up. One of the lines for the turbo boost signal to the ALDA was broken, so it probably was underpowered. Maybe the head was cracked and it was drinking coolant. It had some fancy aftermarket radio / alarm. -Max On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 2:54 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Ask if it has a trap oxidizer. :) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Am I Nutz?
GA is the same way. they won't register without payment of all the back taxes On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 2:44 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Exactly. CA likes to hold cars hostage if the registration isn't current, no matter what the reason. When I bought my 1962 300SE out of a CA estate, I ended up using a bogus title service to get it clear of the nearly $2k in back fees CA wanted before they would release the title. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jul 24, 2014, at 1:57 PM, Mitch Haley mi...@mitchellhaley.com wrote: Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: I hate the flat multi-hole wheels and would much rather have bundts, but you take the good with the bad. Note that it has California plates. That's not good, as CA is a total PITA to get registrations and titles from. I hope it has current CA plates, or somebody might have to pay the back registration fees before the title will be released. OTOH, my nephew-in-law drove around on expired CA plates for many years in multiple states before moving back to CA. When they moved back to CA a couple of years ago, his VIN didn't show up as having any debts against it. Apparently it had been too many years for it to still be in the computer. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 115 front speakers too
The speaker screws in. No screw, it should pull out. clay On Jul 22, 2014, at 9:02 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: Anyone know for certain how to remove the speaker in the middle of the dash on a 115? The cover is already off of it and I see 4 brass colored tabs. I assume it should pop out if I pry on the tabs but am reluctant to damage anything. I don't know if there is a speaker under there but I would like to repair or recover the grill so it looks better. I have the original cover but it is somewhat shrunken so I don't know if I could re-use it. Since I don't use the spearker, I could just cover the whole thing or, I guess I could punch some holes in the replacement cover. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Am I Nutz?
When I registered the Jetta the guy at the DMV noticed it hadn't been registered for 2 years Oh geez, you're going to have to pay a fine. I'd been expecting it so I asked what it would cost me. Oh geez he says, its fifty bucks. looked at me like it was my left arm he needed... -Curt From: Gary Hurst via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 3:53 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Am I Nutz? GA is the same way. they won't register without payment of all the back taxes On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 2:44 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Exactly. CA likes to hold cars hostage if the registration isn't current, no matter what the reason. When I bought my 1962 300SE out of a CA estate, I ended up using a bogus title service to get it clear of the nearly $2k in back fees CA wanted before they would release the title. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jul 24, 2014, at 1:57 PM, Mitch Haley mi...@mitchellhaley.com wrote: Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: I hate the flat multi-hole wheels and would much rather have bundts, but you take the good with the bad. Note that it has California plates. That's not good, as CA is a total PITA to get registrations and titles from. I hope it has current CA plates, or somebody might have to pay the back registration fees before the title will be released. OTOH, my nephew-in-law drove around on expired CA plates for many years in multiple states before moving back to CA. When they moved back to CA a couple of years ago, his VIN didn't show up as having any debts against it. Apparently it had been too many years for it to still be in the computer. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W124 Lower Control Arms and Ball joints - cost comparison
OK, I guess one hour would be a fair time, if you had all the proper special MB tools and presses and access to whatever saw or torch or hydraulic press you might need, and all were set-up and ready to go, just carry the LCA and parts over and go to town. Sounds like a great shop, letting you bring your own parts and that labor rate is really low. Let us know how it turns out! -Max On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 3:22 PM, LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: That's the result of a double check - I stopped back by the shop yesterday to confirm I had the numbers right. It's a great little shop BTW -- they did a 4 wheel alignment on my 911 for ~$65 when other shops get twice that or more. Larry On 7/23/2014 1:25 PM, Meade Dillon wrote: Double check your labor quotes, doesn't make sense that there is only one extra hour required (assuming $60 per hour) to remove/install four bushings and two ball joints. Max Dillon, Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 211 to buy?
So are you going to host a Okie-Benz-Q in celebration? I'll be in St Louis area weekend of 23 August for a wedding, not too far of a drive I think, why don't you throw a Q on the 24th? -Max On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 2:45 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: After I close on my 20 acre ranch next month ... snip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Am I Nutz?
After I bought my '95 E300 and Rich helped me drag it home, I needed about a year to get it running, finally went to register it and was expecting to have to pay the back year. Guy at the DMV counter asked why I had not registered it after I bought it, I told him I needed some time to fix it so it was sitting in my garage for a while, he was able to waive the back-registration on the spot, easy-peasy. I was quite happy about that. On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 3:56 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: When I registered the Jetta the guy at the DMV noticed it hadn't been registered for 2 years Oh geez, you're going to have to pay a fine. I'd been expecting it so I asked what it would cost me. Oh geez he says, its fifty bucks. looked at me like it was my left arm he needed... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Am I Nutz?
Well that is a lot of money for them mainiacs On 7/24/2014 2:56 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: When I registered the Jetta the guy at the DMV noticed it hadn't been registered for 2 years Oh geez, you're going to have to pay a fine. I'd been expecting it so I asked what it would cost me. Oh geez he says, its fifty bucks. looked at me like it was my left arm he needed... -Curt From: Gary Hurst via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 3:53 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Am I Nutz? GA is the same way. they won't register without payment of all the back taxes On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 2:44 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Exactly. CA likes to hold cars hostage if the registration isn't current, no matter what the reason. When I bought my 1962 300SE out of a CA estate, I ended up using a bogus title service to get it clear of the nearly $2k in back fees CA wanted before they would release the title. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jul 24, 2014, at 1:57 PM, Mitch Haley mi...@mitchellhaley.com wrote: Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: I hate the flat multi-hole wheels and would much rather have bundts, but you take the good with the bad. Note that it has California plates. That's not good, as CA is a total PITA to get registrations and titles from. I hope it has current CA plates, or somebody might have to pay the back registration fees before the title will be released. OTOH, my nephew-in-law drove around on expired CA plates for many years in multiple states before moving back to CA. When they moved back to CA a couple of years ago, his VIN didn't show up as having any debts against it. Apparently it had been too many years for it to still be in the computer. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 1980 300SD Tranny Issue
Max wrote: +1 on the M1 ATF. Definitely sounds like it may help your transmission. Dwight wrote: I also used M 1 gear oil in manny tranny of my stick 240D. Craig wrote: Use only ATF in Mercedes manual transmissions. Gear oil will damage them. Dwight wrote: Is that spec for 78 240D? MB indy shop put it in. Curt wrote: Thats spec for most manual transmissions. Curious. The manual transmissions I'm familiar with are either old, heavy duty, or Mercedes. And the W123 all use Dexron II for the manual transmission. My GM 4-speed pickup (117 mm) requires 80W90 GL-5 gear oil. The big truck transmissions I'm familiar with use either 50W or 75-80W90 gear oil. I just checked my '85 GM factory service manual. The 3-speed and the small 4-speed use DexronII. The big 117mm 4-speed uses 80W90. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Am I Nutz?
On Thu, 24 Jul 2014 13:25:36 -0400 Jon Agne via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I’m with Max on the chrome trim, but it can all be corrected. Although there might be rust hiding beneath the chrome wheelwell arches. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 1980 300SD Tranny Issue
Was that for big trucks? My '88 was only an S15... -Curt From: Fmiser via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 4:30 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1980 300SD Tranny Issue Max wrote: +1 on the M1 ATF. Definitely sounds like it may help your transmission. Dwight wrote: I also used M 1 gear oil in manny tranny of my stick 240D. Craig wrote: Use only ATF in Mercedes manual transmissions. Gear oil will damage them. Dwight wrote: Is that spec for 78 240D? MB indy shop put it in. Curt wrote: Thats spec for most manual transmissions. Curious. The manual transmissions I'm familiar with are either old, heavy duty, or Mercedes. And the W123 all use Dexron II for the manual transmission. My GM 4-speed pickup (117 mm) requires 80W90 GL-5 gear oil. The big truck transmissions I'm familiar with use either 50W or 75-80W90 gear oil. I just checked my '85 GM factory service manual. The 3-speed and the small 4-speed use DexronII. The big 117mm 4-speed uses 80W90. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Am I Nutz?
Curt wrote: When I registered the Jetta the guy at the DMV noticed it hadn't been registered for 2 years Oh geez, you're going to have to pay a fine. I'd been expecting it so I asked what it would cost me. Oh geez he says, its fifty bucks. looked at me like it was my left arm he needed... Meade wrote: After I bought my '95 E300 and Rich helped me drag it home, I needed about a year to get it running, finally went to register it and was expecting to have to pay the back year. Guy at the DMV counter asked why I had not registered it after I bought it, I told him I needed some time to fix it so it was sitting in my garage for a while, he was able to waive the back-registration on the spot, easy-peasy. In Missouri, they only care about delay of title transfer. Once the title is transferred, they don't care how long it is before it is licensed. But the original comment sounds like CA doesn't want to allow a title to transfer out of the state unless all the missing years of registration is paid. Yikes! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 1980 300SD Tranny Issue
Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: Was that for big trucks? My '88 was only an S15... S-15s used the Tremec T-5, same as the Mustangs/Camaros etc. Except I don't think the company was called Tremec in 1988. I assume the T-5 was an ATF box. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W124 Lower Control Arms and Ball joints - cost comparison
Yes, if it all goes well, no problem to do it quickly. BUT when working with old parts that have been under there for a while and have suffered the abuse that comes with the job, they can sometimes be difficult to take apart. I suppose the shops use big impact guns and heat etc but I don't have a rattle gun that will do that sort of thing and am reluctant to use a lot of heat in some areas. I remember popping a ball joint out of the lower control arm on a 1998 Ford F150. I had all of thebig C clamp type press parts assembled on the vehicle and my longest breaker bar on it and was pulling for all I was worth with no success. I looked around my garage and found a 4 foot length of pipe and slipped that on the end and still pulled for all I was worth until it popped. I wondered if the breaker bar was going to give up but it did not. Putting the new one back in was no problem. Randy On 24/07/2014 2:58 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote: OK, I guess one hour would be a fair time, if you had all the proper special MB tools and presses and access to whatever saw or torch or hydraulic press you might need, and all were set-up and ready to go, just carry the LCA and parts over and go to town. Sounds like a great shop, letting you bring your own parts and that labor rate is really low. Let us know how it turns out! -Max ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W124 Lower Control Arms and Ball joints - cost comparison
I've broken Break Bars doing similar jobs! it's a really sickening feeling when something pops and you see the breaker bar is missing it's end! BTW, Ford always likes to advertise how strong the I Beam front suspension is on their F Series trucks! Sounds like they are put together to stay together... ;-) Larry On 7/24/2014 5:05 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: Yes, if it all goes well, no problem to do it quickly. BUT when working with old parts that have been under there for a while and have suffered the abuse that comes with the job, they can sometimes be difficult to take apart. I suppose the shops use big impact guns and heat etc but I don't have a rattle gun that will do that sort of thing and am reluctant to use a lot of heat in some areas. I remember popping a ball joint out of the lower control arm on a 1998 Ford F150. I had all of thebig C clamp type press parts assembled on the vehicle and my longest breaker bar on it and was pulling for all I was worth with no success. I looked around my garage and found a 4 foot length of pipe and slipped that on the end and still pulled for all I was worth until it popped. I wondered if the breaker bar was going to give up but it did not. Putting the new one back in was no problem. Randy On 24/07/2014 2:58 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote: OK, I guess one hour would be a fair time, if you had all the proper special MB tools and presses and access to whatever saw or torch or hydraulic press you might need, and all were set-up and ready to go, just carry the LCA and parts over and go to town. Sounds like a great shop, letting you bring your own parts and that labor rate is really low. Let us know how it turns out! -Max ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W124 Lower Control Arms and Ball joints - cost comparison
Yes, it is nice to not have the piece of broken breaker bar sticking out of a hole in your arm etc. I think the I Beam suspension is a thing of the past. My father had a '68 that had the Twin I Beam front end. Never had any issues with it thankfully as I think the only way to adjust if the tires wore poorly was to chain it down and then bend the I Beam with a jack. My father's last truck was an '81 and I think it may still have had the I Beam setup but cannot recall for sure. Not sure when it disappeared. Both my '98 and my '02 had torsion bar suspensions. My '13 has struts. Randy On 24/07/2014 4:29 PM, LarryT via Mercedes wrote: I've broken Break Bars doing similar jobs! it's a really sickening feeling when something pops and you see the breaker bar is missing it's end! BTW, Ford always likes to advertise how strong the I Beam front suspension is on their F Series trucks! Sounds like they are put together to stay together... ;-) Larry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Am I Nutz?
Exactly. CA won't transfer the title unless ALL back fees are paid. Period. I found out the hard way. Dan On Jul 24, 2014, at 4:40 PM, Fmiser via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Curt wrote: When I registered the Jetta the guy at the DMV noticed it hadn't been registered for 2 years Oh geez, you're going to have to pay a fine. I'd been expecting it so I asked what it would cost me. Oh geez he says, its fifty bucks. looked at me like it was my left arm he needed... Meade wrote: After I bought my '95 E300 and Rich helped me drag it home, I needed about a year to get it running, finally went to register it and was expecting to have to pay the back year. Guy at the DMV counter asked why I had not registered it after I bought it, I told him I needed some time to fix it so it was sitting in my garage for a while, he was able to waive the back-registration on the spot, easy-peasy. In Missouri, they only care about delay of title transfer. Once the title is transferred, they don't care how long it is before it is licensed. But the original comment sounds like CA doesn't want to allow a title to transfer out of the state unless all the missing years of registration is paid. Yikes! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Am I Nutz?
It's not just taxes in CA. They want registration feed for every year, EVEN if the car was off the road. Dan On Jul 24, 2014, at 3:53 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: GA is the same way. they won't register without payment of all the back taxes On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 2:44 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Exactly. CA likes to hold cars hostage if the registration isn't current, no matter what the reason. When I bought my 1962 300SE out of a CA estate, I ended up using a bogus title service to get it clear of the nearly $2k in back fees CA wanted before they would release the title. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jul 24, 2014, at 1:57 PM, Mitch Haley mi...@mitchellhaley.com wrote: Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: I hate the flat multi-hole wheels and would much rather have bundts, but you take the good with the bad. Note that it has California plates. That's not good, as CA is a total PITA to get registrations and titles from. I hope it has current CA plates, or somebody might have to pay the back registration fees before the title will be released. OTOH, my nephew-in-law drove around on expired CA plates for many years in multiple states before moving back to CA. When they moved back to CA a couple of years ago, his VIN didn't show up as having any debts against it. Apparently it had been too many years for it to still be in the computer. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars www.BuyEUROparts.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Am I Nutz?
Yes same here in RI. I learned hard way. On Jul 24, 2014 5:55 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: It's not just taxes in CA. They want registration feed for every year, EVEN if the car was off the road. Dan On Jul 24, 2014, at 3:53 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: GA is the same way. they won't register without payment of all the back taxes On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 2:44 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Exactly. CA likes to hold cars hostage if the registration isn't current, no matter what the reason. When I bought my 1962 300SE out of a CA estate, I ended up using a bogus title service to get it clear of the nearly $2k in back fees CA wanted before they would release the title. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jul 24, 2014, at 1:57 PM, Mitch Haley mi...@mitchellhaley.com wrote: Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: I hate the flat multi-hole wheels and would much rather have bundts, but you take the good with the bad. Note that it has California plates. That's not good, as CA is a total PITA to get registrations and titles from. I hope it has current CA plates, or somebody might have to pay the back registration fees before the title will be released. OTOH, my nephew-in-law drove around on expired CA plates for many years in multiple states before moving back to CA. When they moved back to CA a couple of years ago, his VIN didn't show up as having any debts against it. Apparently it had been too many years for it to still be in the computer. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars www.BuyEUROparts.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W124 Lower Control Arms and Ball joints - cost comparison
I'm a big fan of torsion bar suspensions -- ultimate simplicity and they basically never wear out - at least not the bar itself. IMO the big watershed even with F150s was in 87 when they finally went to fuel injection. Take care - Larry On 7/24/2014 5:37 PM, Randy Bennell wrote: Yes, it is nice to not have the piece of broken breaker bar sticking out of a hole in your arm etc. I think the I Beam suspension is a thing of the past. My father had a '68 that had the Twin I Beam front end. Never had any issues with it thankfully as I think the only way to adjust if the tires wore poorly was to chain it down and then bend the I Beam with a jack. My father's last truck was an '81 and I think it may still have had the I Beam setup but cannot recall for sure. Not sure when it disappeared. Both my '98 and my '02 had torsion bar suspensions. My '13 has struts. Randy On 24/07/2014 4:29 PM, LarryT via Mercedes wrote: I've broken Break Bars doing similar jobs! it's a really sickening feeling when something pops and you see the breaker bar is missing it's end! BTW, Ford always likes to advertise how strong the I Beam front suspension is on their F Series trucks! Sounds like they are put together to stay together... ;-) Larry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Am I Nutz?
Florida has a one time fee that applies to any and all vehicles being titled and registered in the state. I believe it's something like $220 per vehicle or thereabouts. What they don't tell you is that of you have ever registered a vehicle in the state in the past and not surrendered the plate, it sits in limbo in the system and never goes away. I never surrendered the plate on my 1984 300SD. When I moved back in 2010 that old plate saved me $660 thanks to a sharp DMV employee. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jul 24, 2014, at 6:06 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Yes same here in RI. I learned hard way. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 1980 300SD Tranny Issue
Dwight wrote: I also used M 1 gear oil in manny tranny of my stick 240D. Craig wrote: Use only ATF in Mercedes manual transmissions. Gear oil will damage them. Dwight wrote: Is that spec for 78 240D? MB indy shop put it in. Curt wrote: Thats spec for most manual transmissions. Fmiser wrote: Curious. The manual transmissions I'm familiar with are either old, heavy duty, or Mercedes. And the W123 all use Dexron II for the manual transmission. My GM 4-speed pickup (117 mm) requires 80W90 GL-5 gear oil. The big truck transmissions I'm familiar with use either 50W or 75-80W90 gear oil. I just checked my '85 GM factory service manual. The 3-speed and the small 4-speed use DexronII. The big 117mm 4-speed uses 80W90. Curt wrote: Was that for big trucks? My '88 was only an S15... The term big truck to me means class 7 or greater. The 117mm transmission (also called SM465) wasn't ever used in those. It was used in 1/2 ton (class 1), and maybe through the 2-ton (class 3) - which are typically referred to as light duty. So big as compared to the mini-pickups, but not really a big truck. *smiles* -- Philip, who once earned a living driving big trucks ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 211 to buy?
I understand the service techs see the v6 models more, and that they are runflat/def models... -- John W Reames jream...@verizon.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Jul 24, 2014, at 13:59, ned kleinhenz via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: In my search, last year, for a CDI, I found mostly 2005 model year available, with a few of the almost identical 2006's also around. These straight 6 models were also made in 2004 and probably earlier. But I'm not sure the CDI's were available in North America before 2005. In 2007 through 2009 they went to the Blue-Tech V-6 engine, which are supposed to be very nice, but certainly more expensive. The straight six's of 2005-06 seem bullet-proof and powerful. But this car also has SBC brakes, which is an electronically controlled braking system of controversial reliability. The post 2007's have a more conventional braking system. I remember the Chrysler affiliation ending in 2006. I bought a 2006 CDI, with 100k mi, last October. So far I'm really glad I bought it. It is the nicest and by far the fasted MB diesel I've owned in my 30 years of driving 123 and 124 diesels. I often get better than 40 mpg on highway. And the electronic brakes are amazingly effective. So far, in 25k+ miles, I've had no problems. I've owned Chryslers before, and this MB has done nothing Chrysler like to me yet. I did a fair amount of research before buying one. Found the gasoline versions of the W211 were plagued with engine failures and other problems causing prices noticeably lower than the diesel models. But almost every consumer who reviewed their diesel loved it. I'm sure YMMV. Just my $0.02 worth, Ned Kleinhenz ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W123 parts
State Farm may be selling all BUT the aforementioned parts -- John W Reames jream...@verizon.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Jul 24, 2014, at 9:31, Meade Dillon dillonm...@gmail.com wrote: So you may be selling the afore mentioned parts? Max Dillon, Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 211 to buy?
runflat/def? Wilton - Original Message - From: John Reames via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: ned kleinhenz ned.kleinh...@gmail.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 8:22 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 211 to buy? I understand the service techs see the v6 models more, and that they are runflat/def models... -- John W Reames jream...@verizon.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Jul 24, 2014, at 13:59, ned kleinhenz via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: In my search, last year, for a CDI, I found mostly 2005 model year available, with a few of the almost identical 2006's also around. These straight 6 models were also made in 2004 and probably earlier. But I'm not sure the CDI's were available in North America before 2005. In 2007 through 2009 they went to the Blue-Tech V-6 engine, which are supposed to be very nice, but certainly more expensive. The straight six's of 2005-06 seem bullet-proof and powerful. But this car also has SBC brakes, which is an electronically controlled braking system of controversial reliability. The post 2007's have a more conventional braking system. I remember the Chrysler affiliation ending in 2006. I bought a 2006 CDI, with 100k mi, last October. So far I'm really glad I bought it. It is the nicest and by far the fasted MB diesel I've owned in my 30 years of driving 123 and 124 diesels. I often get better than 40 mpg on highway. And the electronic brakes are amazingly effective. So far, in 25k+ miles, I've had no problems. I've owned Chryslers before, and this MB has done nothing Chrysler like to me yet. I did a fair amount of research before buying one. Found the gasoline versions of the W211 were plagued with engine failures and other problems causing prices noticeably lower than the diesel models. But almost every consumer who reviewed their diesel loved it. I'm sure YMMV. Just my $0.02 worth, Ned Kleinhenz ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] '08 CLK 350 Electric Cooling Fan Update
Replace the radiator cap. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 211 to buy?
John Reames wrote: I understand the service techs see the v6 models more, and that they are runflat/def models... WILTON wrote: runflat/def? I'm Guessing DEF means Diesel Exhaust Fluid - or Blutech. Runflat I suppose refers to no spare tire as the installed tires are run-flat models. But I'm just guessing... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
