Re: [MBZ] Replacing W140 Motor Mounts

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Yes.

"BBB" on the new mount = Better Business Bureau?
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On September 5, 2015 12:03:45 PM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>Thanks, Wilton.
>
>Think the mounts were collapsed?
>
>https://www.dropbox.com/s/55y7cu2l0ymwlof/IMG_0846.jpg?dl=0
>
>
>Dan
>
>
>> On Sep 5, 2015, at 11:45 AM, WILTON via Mercedes
> wrote:
>> 
>> ATTABOY!
>> 
>> Wilton
>
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Re: [MBZ] Replacing W140 Motor Mounts

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Sharpie marks with anything I replace on the car with the mileage and date, 
when space permits.  If you pul a filter on one of my cars it will have the 
mileage it was installed at and the date.

And it gets entered in the database with date, time, cost and part information.

Example from the S500:

Service 0   3/20/13 8:40 PM 1995 Mercedes-Benz S500 246,895 $0.00   
0   $74.47  HomeDebit   0   $74.47  
Replace transmission mount
Gas 17.73/16/13 1:03 PM 1995 Mercedes-Benz S500 246,742 Full$3.81   
13.258  $50.50  90+ Sam's Club  Brandon, FL Debit   0   
$50.50  
Service 0   3/14/13 2:00 PM 1995 Mercedes-Benz S500 246,670 $0.00   
0   $24.00  HomeDebit   0   MB power 
steering fluid $24.00  Flush & fill power steering, Replace power steering 
filter
Service 0   3/13/13 3:06 PM 1995 Mercedes-Benz S500 246,618 $0.00   
0   $165.00 HomeDebit   0   $165.00 
Replace motor mounts
Service 0   3/12/13 5:56 PM 1995 Mercedes-Benz S500 246,602 $0.00   
0   $181.84 Tint Studio, Gibsonton, FL  Debit   0   
$181.84 Window tinting
Service 0   3/11/13 7:28 PM 1995 Mercedes-Benz S500 246,590 $0.00   
0   $100.00 HomeDebit   0   Mobil 1 gear 
oil, MB coolant @ 30%, Purple Ice cooling system additive  $100.00 Antifreeze, 
Flush cooling system, Add cooling system treatment, Drain & refill 
differential, Replace thermostat
Gas 15.33/8/13  4:10 PM 1995 Mercedes-Benz S500 246,539 Full$3.87   
16.412  $63.50  90+ Sam's Club  Brandon, FL Debit   0   
$63.50  
Service 0   3/6/13  5:57 PM 1995 Mercedes-Benz S500 246,453 $0.00   
0   $21.00  HomeDebit   0   $21.00  
Install body drain grommets, Install trunk drain grommets, Windshield Wipers
Gas 17.73/1/13  5:42 PM 1995 Mercedes-Benz S500 246,249 Full$4.02   
14.431  $58.00  90+ HessBloomingdaleDebit   0   $58.00  
Service 0   2/24/13 5:00 PM 1995 Mercedes-Benz S500 246,028 $0.00   
0   $0.00   HomeDebit   0   $0.00   
Clean connections on instrument cluster connectors and circuit board
Service 0   2/24/13 2:00 PM 1995 Mercedes-Benz S500 246,012 $0.00   
0   $38.50  HomeDebit   0   $38.50  
Flush SLS system and replace filter screen
Service 0   2/24/13 10:32 AM1995 Mercedes-Benz S500 246,007 
$0.00   0   $15.00  HomeDebit   0   
$15.00  Fuel Filter
Service 0   2/23/13 5:00 PM 1995 Mercedes-Benz S500 246,000 $0.00   
0   $100.00 HomeDebit   0   $100.00 
Replace front flex disc, Replace rear flex disc
Gas 18  2/22/13 4:12 PM 1995 Mercedes-Benz S500 245,989 Full$3.99   
19.052  $76.00  90+ Sam's Club  Brandon, FL Debit   0   
$76.00  
Service 0   2/17/13 2:00 PM 1995 Mercedes-Benz S500 245,771 $0.00   
0   $36.00  HomeDebit   0   $36.00  
Clean interior, Replace third brake light cover, Cabin air filter
Gas 17.52/13/13 4:25 PM 1995 Mercedes-Benz S500 245,656 Full$3.80   
18.031  $68.50  90+ Sam's Club  Brandon, FL Debit   0   
$68.50  
Service 0   2/11/13 8:27 PM 1995 Mercedes-Benz S500 245,586 $0.00   
0   $42.00  HomeDebit   0   $42.00  
Cabin air filter, Replace ACC panel lamps, Replace water temp gauge sender, 
Replace third brake light bulb
Service 0   2/8/13  1:00 PM 1995 Mercedes-Benz S500 245,580 $0.00   
0   $397.40 Tampa, FL   Check   0   
$397.40 Registration, Title
Service 0   2/7/13  5:33 PM 1995 Mercedes-Benz S500 245,451 $0.00   
0   $508.90 Brandon, FL Debit   0   
$508.90 Replace front tires, Replace rear tires
Service 0   2/6/13  3:52 PM 1995 Mercedes-Benz S500 245,403 $0.00   
0   $342.00 HCPSDebit   0   $342.00 
Windshield replacement
Gas 17.72/4/13  5:53 PM 1995 Mercedes-Benz S500 245,337 Full$3.73   
21.99   $82.00  90+ Sam's Club  Brandon, FL Debit   0   
$82.00  
Service 0   2/2/13  7:00 PM 1995 Mercedes-Benz S500 245,255 $0.00   
0   $0.00   BloomingdaleDebit   0   $0.00   
Wax, Wash
Gas 20.42/1/13  5:06 PM 1995 Mercedes-Benz S500 244,888 Full$3.90   
17.481  $68.16  90+ Shell   Savannah, GADebit   0   $68.16  


> On Sep 

Re: [MBZ] Replacing W126 Motor Mounts

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

The W126 chassis is a little different from the W140, but not much.

I can’t recall if the lower bolts are regular 13mm heads or if they had socket 
head cap screws like the W123 - I’m sure someone here knows.  Definitely do one 
side at a time - it makes it a lot easier to align things.

The W126 is pretty much like this:

1.) Remove the lower bolts (2 -13mm or 5mm socket head cap screws)

2.) Remove the upper bolt (17mm)

3.) Release fan shroud - does not have to be removed.

4.) Place jack with block of wood under oil pan and lift the engine gently.  
You’ll see the engine stop moving after a few good pumps.

5.) Get back underneath the car and remove the mount. Make note of the 
orientation.  Don’t forget the heat shield if there is one.

6.) Get the new mount in position and place heat shield on top, making note of 
the tank that sticks out and the hole it indexes into the heat shield.

7.) Place the top mount bolt back in the engine support.  It won’t line up yet.

8.) Carefully lower the engine so the engine support is touching the top of the 
mount.  Get the top bolt started.  You may have to move the engine around a 
little bit to get it to line up.  Be sure not to cross thread the bolt.

9.) Once the top bolt is in place and started, lower the jack completely.

10.) Try the lower bolts.  One may not line up.  You can use a flat bladed 
screwdriver to move the mount around to get the remaining bolt lined up.  Don’t 
cross thread these - it’s easy to do (don’t ask me how I know this.)

11.) Tighten all three bolts.  Move on to the other side.


It’s one of those brute force sorts of jobs.  Takes some “goomph” but not a lot 
of finesse.  Be sure to buy genuine MB or Lemforder mounts.  Anything else will 
collapse in a year.

Dan




> On Sep 5, 2015, at 2:38 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I've got to replace the mounts on one of the SDs.  I vaguely recall you have 
> to put a jack under the oil pan or somewhere to lift it a bit, then do 
> something to get the old ones out and the new in.  Any memories of that job, 
> anyone?  I have a pair in the garage somewhere that came with the other SD 
> that seems OK for now.
> 
> --R
> 
> 
> 
> On 9/5/15 10:40 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> Just finished this job, second time I’ve done it, first time was on the S500 
>> coupe, this time on the 1994 S420.
>> 
>> I bought the special offset wrench for removing the top mount bolt, as it’s 
>> buried under the manifolds.  Best $15 I ever spent for a special tool for 
>> this job.  It made it go much faster.  I did the passenger (easy) side in 
>> about 20 minutes, the driver’s side (difficult) in about 40.
>> 
>> Now I’m heading back out to put the transmission mount in.  Pretty easy job 
>> on the W140.  I’m getting the nasty stuff out of the way early today, then 
>> it’s time to spend sorting out the pneumatics.  Tomorrow it will be R of 
>> the right front caliper on the oldest boy’s 98 S420.  It’s got a stuck 
>> piston.  I’ve got a reman caliper waiting in the wings for it.
>> 
>> Dan
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Re: [MBZ] Replacing W140 Motor Mounts

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 13:40:27 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
 wrote:

> I add to it with the mileage of the car….

Interesting idea!


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Practical solar application

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

My bad. I'm guessing that is because of heating issues which would 
be minimal outside, but I get it. I might even have known that at 
some point. The single wire stuff is tmmw or something like that, it 
has a higher temp rated insulation.


--R (sent from my miniPad)

 On Sep 3, 2015, at 6:25 PM, G Mann via Mercedes 
 wrote:


 Electrical code book does NOT permit running Romex wire inside conduit.

 > Thus, you should not.


THHN  or THNN for inside.  I am not sure if a different type wire is 
used for buried, in conduit.


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[MBZ] Replacing W126 Motor Mounts

[WILTON via Mercedes]

I simply wrote a check to the indie to replace 'em in my SDL several years 
ago.  'Not as good a feeling of accomplishment, but certainly made the car 
more enjoyable.  'Same for the 124 when I got it 11 years ago.  I normally 
would have done 'em myself, but it was already getting a lot harder for me 
to do that stuff.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Rich Thomas via Mercedes" 

To: 
Cc: "Rich Thomas" 
Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2015 2:38 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Replacing W126 Motor Mounts


I've got to replace the mounts on one of the SDs.  I vaguely recall you 
have to put a jack under the oil pan or somewhere to lift it a bit, then 
do something to get the old ones out and the new in.  Any memories of that 
job, anyone?  I have a pair in the garage somewhere that came with the 
other SD that seems OK for now.


--R



On 9/5/15 10:40 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
Just finished this job, second time I’ve done it, first time was on the 
S500 coupe, this time on the 1994 S420.


I bought the special offset wrench for removing the top mount bolt, as it’s 
buried under the manifolds.  Best $15 I ever spent for a special tool for 
this job.  It made it go much faster.  I did the passenger (easy) side in 
about 20 minutes, the driver’s side (difficult) in about 40.


Now I’m heading back out to put the transmission mount in.  Pretty easy 
job on the W140.  I’m getting the nasty stuff out of the way early today, 
then it’s time to spend sorting out the pneumatics.  Tomorrow it will be 
R of the right front caliper on the oldest boy’s 98 S420.  It’s got a 
stuck piston.  I’ve got a reman caliper waiting in the wings for it.


Dan
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Re: [MBZ] Thinking about bidding on this

[Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes]

Judging from the rocker panels, I'd call that terminal rust.

Also has signs of a cheap paint job.  Its wet in the photos, which is a
always a big red flag.

Why is the air cleaner off the car that should run and drive?

Interior is baked.  And the seats were restuffed with something other than
horsehair... the shape is all wrong.

Green or not, its not worth the current bidding price, even to me in NJ.

Jaime


On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 8:37 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mercedes-Benz-200-Series-c-/252074933085?forcerrptr=true=item3ab0d63b5d=252074933085
>
> It appears to have some rust but anybody see anything else?
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Re: [MBZ] Replacing W140 Motor Mounts

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 10:40:37 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Just finished this job, second time I’ve done it, first time was on the
> S500 coupe, this time on the 1994 S420.
> 
> I bought the special offset wrench for removing the top mount bolt, as
> it’s buried under the manifolds.  Best $15 I ever spent for a special
> tool for this job.  It made it go much faster.  I did the passenger
> (easy) side in about 20 minutes, the driver’s side (difficult) in about
> 40.
> 
> Now I’m heading back out to put the transmission mount in.  Pretty easy
> job on the W140.  I’m getting the nasty stuff out of the way early
> today, then it’s time to spend sorting out the pneumatics.  Tomorrow it
> will be R of the right front caliper on the oldest boy’s 98 S420.
> It’s got a stuck piston.  I’ve got a reman caliper waiting in the wings
> for it.

I wish you success!


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Replacing W140 Motor Mounts

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I’ve seen all sorts of letters on Lemforder stuff.  I can only suspect that 
it’s a QC think, maybe the inspector that checks it before it goes out the door?

I add to it with the mileage of the car….

Dan

 
> On Sep 5, 2015, at 1:20 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Yes.
> 
> "BBB" on the new mount = Better Business Bureau?
> -- 
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> '87 300TD
> '95 E300
> 
> On September 5, 2015 12:03:45 PM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
>> Thanks, Wilton.
>> 
>> Think the mounts were collapsed?
>> 
>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/55y7cu2l0ymwlof/IMG_0846.jpg?dl=0
>> 
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 5, 2015, at 11:45 AM, WILTON via Mercedes
>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> ATTABOY!
>>> 
>>> Wilton
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Replacing W140 Motor Mounts

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

The lumbar bladder, NOT the orthopedic one that has like 5 different sections, 
is a piece of cake to replace.  You can do it through the back cover, which 
comes off with a couple of screws at the bottom and then just pulling down to 
remove it.

With the back cover off you can see the old one.  There is a foam pad that’s 
stuck to the bladder with plastic rivets, you want to keep that on the new one 
when you slip it into place.

I just cut the pneumatic line and splice it.  I’ve snaked the new line and 
connector with the convoluted tubing on it through the seat hinge but it’s a 
PITA to do.

Pretty simple.  The bladder is about $60 list.

If by chance you have the orthopedic seats, you’re screwed. The bladder for the 
orthopedic seat is NLA, and even if it was available it cost about $250.

Dan


> On Sep 5, 2015, at 11:46 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> What's the deal with the seat bladders? I think I have leaking ones on mine. 
> How hard are they to replace?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 5, 2015, at 10:06 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> 
>> I hoping to put an end to the pneumatic issues that I have discovered that 
>> appear to have plagued this car for years.  I spent a while studying all of 
>> the records last night, including the complete history from the MB 
>> dealership where it was purchased and maintained for the first ten years of 
>> its life.
>> 
>> It’s had a grand total of four PSE pumps replaced over the years.  Right 
>> now, the locks work, and the lumbar bladders would work (one is leaking due 
>> to age) but the back up aids don’t extend.  Fuel mileage is marginal as 
>> well, so I’m almost positive there’s a vacuum leak in the system, too.
>> 
>> If you’re not familiar with the PSE pump in the 90s models, it provides both 
>> vacuum and pressure for door locks, AC flaps, lumbar bladders and in the 
>> case of the W140 from 92-95, these little “antennae” or “sticks” that extend 
>> out of the tops of the rear fenders when the car is in reverse so you know 
>> where the corners of the car are.  Mercedes refers to them as “back up aids.”
>> 
>> The PSE works with engine vacuum in the sense that if engine vacuum to the 
>> system drops below a certain point the PSE will kick in to help out.  This 
>> allows AC flaps to work when the engine is not running, primarily for the 
>> ACC’s “REST” function (heat available after the car is shut off.)
>> 
>> There is a vacuum distribution block in the passenger front footwell that is 
>> prone to leak and often overlooked.  I have a new one on order, as they’re 
>> cheap, but I’ll be testing this one today as I suspect that’s where the 
>> problem lies.  The giveaway is the loss of AC flaps when engine vacuum drops 
>> due to acceleration.  The PSE pump isn’t able to keep up and the vacuum 
>> drops, causing the flaps to go to the default (defrost) position.
>> 
>> It’s pretty amazing looking back over the records on this car.  I’m thinking 
>> the independent they used for the last ten years had a big boat, or a kid 
>> they needed to put through college.
>> 
>> In less than 80,000 miles, the car has had the following replaced:
>> 
>> Starter
>> Alternator
>> Power steering pump (2x)
>> AC compressor (2x)
>> AC evaporator (2x)
>> AC condensor (2x)
>> Ignition lock cylinder (2x)
>> PSE pump (4x)
>> 
>> It was like clockwork when they would have the car in for service with the 
>> independent and it would need some sort of major work.
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 5, 2015, at 10:50 AM, Craig via Mercedes  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I wish you success!
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Replacing W126 Motor Mounts

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

OM617, right?  I think the first step is to loosen the top and bottom bolts on 
each mount, then raise the engine by jack with a big piece of wood supporting 
the oil pan.  There may be heat shields and stuff (exhaust?) to remove prior.  
From foggy memory, get the new mounts top bolt going first, then from below get 
the bottom bolts started, then lower the engine into place, rock it a bit to 
settle the mounts, and tighten them down.
-- 
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Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On September 5, 2015 2:38:40 PM EDT, Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>I've got to replace the mounts on one of the SDs.  I vaguely recall you
>
>have to put a jack under the oil pan or somewhere to lift it a bit,
>then 
>do something to get the old ones out and the new in.  Any memories of 
>that job, anyone?  I have a pair in the garage somewhere that came with
>
>the other SD that seems OK for now.
>
>--R
>
>
>
>On 9/5/15 10:40 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> Just finished this job, second time I’ve done it, first time was on
>the S500 coupe, this time on the 1994 S420.
>>
>> I bought the special offset wrench for removing the top mount bolt,
>as it’s buried under the manifolds.  Best $15 I ever spent for a
>special tool for this job.  It made it go much faster.  I did the
>passenger (easy) side in about 20 minutes, the driver’s side
>(difficult) in about 40.
>>
>> Now I’m heading back out to put the transmission mount in.  Pretty
>easy job on the W140.  I’m getting the nasty stuff out of the way early
>today, then it’s time to spend sorting out the pneumatics.  Tomorrow it
>will be R of the right front caliper on the oldest boy’s 98 S420. 
>It’s got a stuck piston.  I’ve got a reman caliper waiting in the wings
>for it.
>>
>> Dan
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Re: [MBZ] Replacing W126 Motor Mounts

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

I've got to replace the mounts on one of the SDs.  I vaguely recall you 
have to put a jack under the oil pan or somewhere to lift it a bit, then 
do something to get the old ones out and the new in.  Any memories of 
that job, anyone?  I have a pair in the garage somewhere that came with 
the other SD that seems OK for now.


--R



On 9/5/15 10:40 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Just finished this job, second time I’ve done it, first time was on the S500 
coupe, this time on the 1994 S420.

I bought the special offset wrench for removing the top mount bolt, as it’s 
buried under the manifolds.  Best $15 I ever spent for a special tool for this 
job.  It made it go much faster.  I did the passenger (easy) side in about 20 
minutes, the driver’s side (difficult) in about 40.

Now I’m heading back out to put the transmission mount in.  Pretty easy job on the 
W140.  I’m getting the nasty stuff out of the way early today, then it’s time to 
spend sorting out the pneumatics.  Tomorrow it will be R of the right front 
caliper on the oldest boy’s 98 S420.  It’s got a stuck piston.  I’ve got a reman 
caliper waiting in the wings for it.

Dan
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Re: [MBZ] Thinking about bidding on this

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Gorgeous car!


> On Sep 4, 2015, at 8:37 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
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> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mercedes-Benz-200-Series-c-/252074933085?forcerrptr=true=item3ab0d63b5d=252074933085
> 
> It appears to have some rust but anybody see anything else?
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Re: [MBZ] Thinking about bidding on this

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Maybe not so gorgeous…  :-/

> On Sep 5, 2015, at 8:37 AM, Jon Agne via Mercedes  
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> Gorgeous car!
> 
> 
>> On Sep 4, 2015, at 8:37 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
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>> 
>> It appears to have some rust but anybody see anything else?
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[MBZ] Replacing W140 Motor Mounts

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Just finished this job, second time I’ve done it, first time was on the S500 
coupe, this time on the 1994 S420.

I bought the special offset wrench for removing the top mount bolt, as it’s 
buried under the manifolds.  Best $15 I ever spent for a special tool for this 
job.  It made it go much faster.  I did the passenger (easy) side in about 20 
minutes, the driver’s side (difficult) in about 40.

Now I’m heading back out to put the transmission mount in.  Pretty easy job on 
the W140.  I’m getting the nasty stuff out of the way early today, then it’s 
time to spend sorting out the pneumatics.  Tomorrow it will be R of the right 
front caliper on the oldest boy’s 98 S420.  It’s got a stuck piston.  I’ve got 
a reman caliper waiting in the wings for it.

Dan
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Re: [MBZ] Replacing W140 Motor Mounts

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Thanks, Wilton.

Think the mounts were collapsed?

https://www.dropbox.com/s/55y7cu2l0ymwlof/IMG_0846.jpg?dl=0


Dan


> On Sep 5, 2015, at 11:45 AM, WILTON via Mercedes  
> wrote:
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> ATTABOY!
> 
> Wilton


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[MBZ] Replacing W140 Motor Mounts

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Just finished this job, second time I’ve done it, first time was on the S500 
coupe, this time on the 1994 S420.

I bought the special offset wrench for removing the top mount bolt, as it’s 
buried under the manifolds.  Best $15 I ever spent for a special tool for this 
job.  It made it go much faster.  I did the passenger (easy) side in about 20 
minutes, the driver’s side (difficult) in about 40.

Now I’m heading back out to put the transmission mount in.  Pretty easy job on 
the W140.  I’m getting the nasty stuff out of the way early today, then it’s 
time to spend sorting out the pneumatics.  Tomorrow it will be R of the right 
front caliper on the oldest boy’s 98 S420.  It’s got a stuck piston.  I’ve got 
a reman caliper waiting in the wings for it.

Dan
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[MBZ] W140 Motor Mounts

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Wow.

Doing this job for the second time, this time on youngest son's S420. I bought 
the special wrench for the top mount bolt, which costs about $15. Best $15 I've 
spent (so far) when it comes to special tools.

Got the passenger side done in about 20 minutes. The driver's side is next, and 
it's the tough one. Hopefully, it will be as easy.

Dan heading back out for more abuse under the car

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Re: [MBZ] Thinking about bidding on this

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Re: [MBZ] Replacing W140 Motor Mounts

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ATTABOY!

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" 

To: "Okie Benz" 
Cc: "Dan Penoff" 
Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2015 10:46 AM
Subject: [MBZ] Replacing W140 Motor Mounts


Just finished this job, second time I’ve done it, first time was on the 
S500 coupe, this time on the 1994 S420.


I bought the special offset wrench for removing the top mount bolt, as it’s 
buried under the manifolds.  Best $15 I ever spent for a special tool for 
this job.  It made it go much faster.  I did the passenger (easy) side in 
about 20 minutes, the driver’s side (difficult) in about 40.


Now I’m heading back out to put the transmission mount in.  Pretty easy 
job on the W140.  I’m getting the nasty stuff out of the way early today, 
then it’s time to spend sorting out the pneumatics.  Tomorrow it will be 
R of the right front caliper on the oldest boy’s 98 S420.  It’s got a 
stuck piston.  I’ve got a reman caliper waiting in the wings for it.


Dan
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Re: [MBZ] Replacing W140 Motor Mounts

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

What's the deal with the seat bladders? I think I have leaking ones on mine. 
How hard are they to replace?

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> On Sep 5, 2015, at 10:06 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> I hoping to put an end to the pneumatic issues that I have discovered that 
> appear to have plagued this car for years.  I spent a while studying all of 
> the records last night, including the complete history from the MB dealership 
> where it was purchased and maintained for the first ten years of its life.
> 
> It’s had a grand total of four PSE pumps replaced over the years.  Right now, 
> the locks work, and the lumbar bladders would work (one is leaking due to 
> age) but the back up aids don’t extend.  Fuel mileage is marginal as well, so 
> I’m almost positive there’s a vacuum leak in the system, too.
> 
> If you’re not familiar with the PSE pump in the 90s models, it provides both 
> vacuum and pressure for door locks, AC flaps, lumbar bladders and in the case 
> of the W140 from 92-95, these little “antennae” or “sticks” that extend out 
> of the tops of the rear fenders when the car is in reverse so you know where 
> the corners of the car are.  Mercedes refers to them as “back up aids.”
> 
> The PSE works with engine vacuum in the sense that if engine vacuum to the 
> system drops below a certain point the PSE will kick in to help out.  This 
> allows AC flaps to work when the engine is not running, primarily for the 
> ACC’s “REST” function (heat available after the car is shut off.)
> 
> There is a vacuum distribution block in the passenger front footwell that is 
> prone to leak and often overlooked.  I have a new one on order, as they’re 
> cheap, but I’ll be testing this one today as I suspect that’s where the 
> problem lies.  The giveaway is the loss of AC flaps when engine vacuum drops 
> due to acceleration.  The PSE pump isn’t able to keep up and the vacuum 
> drops, causing the flaps to go to the default (defrost) position.
> 
> It’s pretty amazing looking back over the records on this car.  I’m thinking 
> the independent they used for the last ten years had a big boat, or a kid 
> they needed to put through college.
> 
> In less than 80,000 miles, the car has had the following replaced:
> 
> Starter
> Alternator
> Power steering pump (2x)
> AC compressor (2x)
> AC evaporator (2x)
> AC condensor (2x)
> Ignition lock cylinder (2x)
> PSE pump (4x)
> 
> It was like clockwork when they would have the car in for service with the 
> independent and it would need some sort of major work.
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sep 5, 2015, at 10:50 AM, Craig via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I wish you success!
>> 
>> 
>> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] Replacing W140 Motor Mounts

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On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 11:06:14 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Thanks!

You are welcome.


> I hoping to put an end to the pneumatic issues that I have discovered
> that appear to have plagued this car for years.
>   
> There is a vacuum distribution block in the passenger front footwell
> that is prone to leak and often overlooked.  I have a new one on order,
> as they’re cheap, but I’ll be testing this one today as I suspect
> that’s where the problem lies.  The giveaway is the loss of AC flaps
> when engine vacuum drops due to acceleration.  The PSE pump isn’t able
> to keep up and the vacuum drops, causing the flaps to go to the default
> (defrost) position.

May it solve your problems!


> In less than 80,000 miles, the car has had the following replaced:
> 
> Starter
> Alternator
> Power steering pump (2x)
> AC compressor (2x)
> AC evaporator (2x)
> AC condensor (2x)
> Ignition lock cylinder (2x)
> PSE pump (4x)
> 
> It was like clockwork when they would have the car in for service with
> the independent and it would need some sort of major work.

That's pretty amazing. I agree; the independent had either a boat or a
child he needed to put through college.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Replacing W140 Motor Mounts

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Thanks!

I hoping to put an end to the pneumatic issues that I have discovered that 
appear to have plagued this car for years.  I spent a while studying all of the 
records last night, including the complete history from the MB dealership where 
it was purchased and maintained for the first ten years of its life.

It’s had a grand total of four PSE pumps replaced over the years.  Right now, 
the locks work, and the lumbar bladders would work (one is leaking due to age) 
but the back up aids don’t extend.  Fuel mileage is marginal as well, so I’m 
almost positive there’s a vacuum leak in the system, too.

If you’re not familiar with the PSE pump in the 90s models, it provides both 
vacuum and pressure for door locks, AC flaps, lumbar bladders and in the case 
of the W140 from 92-95, these little “antennae” or “sticks” that extend out of 
the tops of the rear fenders when the car is in reverse so you know where the 
corners of the car are.  Mercedes refers to them as “back up aids.”

The PSE works with engine vacuum in the sense that if engine vacuum to the 
system drops below a certain point the PSE will kick in to help out.  This 
allows AC flaps to work when the engine is not running, primarily for the ACC’s 
“REST” function (heat available after the car is shut off.)

There is a vacuum distribution block in the passenger front footwell that is 
prone to leak and often overlooked.  I have a new one on order, as they’re 
cheap, but I’ll be testing this one today as I suspect that’s where the problem 
lies.  The giveaway is the loss of AC flaps when engine vacuum drops due to 
acceleration.  The PSE pump isn’t able to keep up and the vacuum drops, causing 
the flaps to go to the default (defrost) position.

It’s pretty amazing looking back over the records on this car.  I’m thinking 
the independent they used for the last ten years had a big boat, or a kid they 
needed to put through college.

In less than 80,000 miles, the car has had the following replaced:

Starter
Alternator
Power steering pump (2x)
AC compressor (2x)
AC evaporator (2x)
AC condensor (2x)
Ignition lock cylinder (2x)
PSE pump (4x)

It was like clockwork when they would have the car in for service with the 
independent and it would need some sort of major work.

Dan



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> I wish you success!
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Replacing W126 Motor Mounts

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

As memory serves, you also need to disconnect the little anti shake shock 
absorbers near the oil pan.  All of my mount screws were metric socket head set 
screws so you'll want quality metric allen hex bits for your 3/8 inch ratchet 
set.  Be sure the allen hex goes all the way into the screw head hole (which 
may require cleaning dirt out of the hole with a pick).  You really don't want 
to round out one of these hex sockets because a bit was only part-way inserted. 
 You can't go wrong by pre-treating the screws with penetrating oil.  You will 
also want a good assortment of extensions to position the ratchet handle where 
you can reach it for the topside screws.  Watch for possible interference when 
you jack the engine and use a block of wood to protect the oil pan.  It only 
needs to lift enough to get the now mount in place.  On re-assembly,  the last 
bottom screw is always hard to get aligned; a helper can be enormously useful 
at this step.  I found this job easy on the NA 617 engine but more frustrating 
on the turbo version.

> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dan
> Penoff via Mercedes
> Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2015 3:06 PM
> To: Okie Benz 
> Cc: Dan Penoff 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Replacing W126 Motor Mounts
> 
> The W126 chassis is a little different from the W140, but not much.
> 
> I can’t recall if the lower bolts are regular 13mm heads or if they had socket
> head cap screws like the W123 - I’m sure someone here knows.  Definitely do
> one side at a time - it makes it a lot easier to align things.
> 
> The W126 is pretty much like this:
> 
> 1.) Remove the lower bolts (2 -13mm or 5mm socket head cap screws)
> 
> 2.) Remove the upper bolt (17mm)
> 
> 3.) Release fan shroud - does not have to be removed.
> 
> 4.) Place jack with block of wood under oil pan and lift the engine gently.
> You’ll see the engine stop moving after a few good pumps.
> 
> 5.) Get back underneath the car and remove the mount. Make note of the
> orientation.  Don’t forget the heat shield if there is one.
> 
> 6.) Get the new mount in position and place heat shield on top, making note
> of the tank that sticks out and the hole it indexes into the heat shield.
> 
> 7.) Place the top mount bolt back in the engine support.  It won’t line up 
> yet.
> 
> 8.) Carefully lower the engine so the engine support is touching the top of 
> the
> mount.  Get the top bolt started.  You may have to move the engine around a
> little bit to get it to line up.  Be sure not to cross thread the bolt.
> 
> 9.) Once the top bolt is in place and started, lower the jack completely.
> 
> 10.) Try the lower bolts.  One may not line up.  You can use a flat bladed
> screwdriver to move the mount around to get the remaining bolt lined up.
> Don’t cross thread these - it’s easy to do (don’t ask me how I know this.)
> 
> 11.) Tighten all three bolts.  Move on to the other side.
> 
> 
> It’s one of those brute force sorts of jobs.  Takes some “goomph” but not a 
> lot
> of finesse.  Be sure to buy genuine MB or Lemforder mounts.  Anything else
> will collapse in a year.
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > On Sep 5, 2015, at 2:38 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> >
> > I've got to replace the mounts on one of the SDs.  I vaguely recall you 
> > have to
> put a jack under the oil pan or somewhere to lift it a bit, then do something 
> to
> get the old ones out and the new in.  Any memories of that job, anyone?  I
> have a pair in the garage somewhere that came with the other SD that seems
> OK for now.
> >
> > --R
> >
> >
> >
> > On 9/5/15 10:40 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
> >> Just finished this job, second time I’ve done it, first time was on the 
> >> S500
> coupe, this time on the 1994 S420.
> >>
> >> I bought the special offset wrench for removing the top mount bolt, as it’s
> buried under the manifolds.  Best $15 I ever spent for a special tool for 
> this job.
> It made it go much faster.  I did the passenger (easy) side in about 20 
> minutes,
> the driver’s side (difficult) in about 40.
> >>
> >> Now I’m heading back out to put the transmission mount in.  Pretty easy
> job on the W140.  I’m getting the nasty stuff out of the way early today, then
> it’s time to spend sorting out the pneumatics.  Tomorrow it will be R of the
> right front caliper on the oldest boy’s 98 S420.  It’s got a stuck piston.  
> I’ve got a
> reman caliper waiting in the wings for it.
> >>
> >> Dan
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[MBZ] Possibilities?

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

56 propeller copter:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/09/04/quinquaquadcopter/

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Re: [MBZ] Possibilities?

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Possibly, but even today's electric aircraft carry two people for an hour.
This one carries one for 10 minutes. However, the cost is WAY less than the
commercial aircraft. I'm more interested in an electric Cri-Cri myself . . .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkEHIv1o7u8

http://caev.weebly.com/e-cristaline.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_aircraft#EADS_Cri-Cri

On Sat, Sep 5, 2015 at 8:12 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
> 56 propeller copter:
>
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/09/04/quinquaquadcopter/
>


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