Re: [MBZ] Gas prices and when will they affect used car prices

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Price at the pump is the canary in the coal mine.  Everything made using energy 
or hydrocarbons will cost more, providing it is even available.  We have been 
well and truly screwed by environmentalist dilatants and the ESG crowd.  The 
Ukrainians got screwed infinitely worse.  It doesn't stop there; expect global 
food shortages in 2022 and beyond except in the US and a few other 
self-sufficient places.

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes
Sent: Saturday, March 5, 2022 3:02 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: Karl Wittnebel 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gas prices and when will they affect used car prices

I am counting on 8 before it's all over.

On Sat, Mar 5, 2022, 10:37 AM Rick Knoble via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
wrote:

> Closer to six bucks soon.
>
>
> Rick
>
> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Sent: March 5, 2022 11:44 AM
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Cc: ka...@striplin.net
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gas prices and when will they affect used car 
> prices
>
> Just passed the next station of the local major chain and it was $4.92.
> Since this chain controls all fuel prices in the area it will soon be 
> $4.92 everywhere.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Mar 5, 2022, at 11:24 AM, Kaleb Striplin  wrote:
> >
> > Just got back to Tulsa. Was something like $3.69 and just had to 
> > fill
> up at $4.29. Wtf?
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Mar 5, 2022, at 9:55 AM, Kaleb Striplin  wrote:
> >>
> >> It was 4.59 just outside of Enid this morning
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
>  On Mar 5, 2022, at 9:44 AM, OK Don via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I saw Diesel at $3.80 in town, then at $4.10 by the Interstate
> yesterday.
> >>>
>  On Fri, Mar 4, 2022 at 10:20 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes < 
>  mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>  Diesel is $4.59!
> 
> > On Fri, Mar 4, 2022, at 11:18 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
> > Bodes well for us diesel lovers.
> >
> > On Fri, Mar 4, 2022, 11:09 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
>  mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >> Four dollars a gallon here tonight for 87.
> >>
> >> Just keeps going up. $0.30 in the past two days alone
> >>
> >> Bodes poorly for values of used V8s and SUVs?
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] w126 front suspension bushings

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

I bought such a kit from FCP several years ago but they seem to have fewer
and fewer 126 parts these days (at least on the web site).  My kit seemed to
have all good quality European rubber, as I recall.  Couldn't hurt to call
them.

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From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes
Sent: Tuesday, March 1, 2022 8:05 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: Karl Wittnebel 
Subject: [MBZ] w126 front suspension bushings

Does anyone know of a kit with all the front suspension rubber bits on a
w126? I replaced the control rod bushings on the body side, but the caster
is still way out, so it needs control arm rubber and the rubber on the front
end of the guide rod, and the big subframe rubber bushings. I am thinking of
replacing the rear control arms while I am at it. I did the front ball
joints and shocks already, so no need to get them.

Maybe fcp?

Thanks

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> Basically what the story is she was driving in the left and dude with 
> trailer was in right lane.  He allegedly swerved into her lane while 
> passing on the right and his trailer caught the bumper.  The other 
> dude claims SWMBO swerved into his lane.  Cop arrives but this is 
> basically a he said she said deal.  Supposedly guy later admitted in 
> front of cop that he did in fact come over on her side and it was his 
> fault.  Cop asks if they want a police report and citations issues, or 
> if they want to let insurance handle it.  Wife opts for no report.  I 
> let wife know as soon as she contacts their insurance, there guy will 
> say it was her fault.  That is exactly what happened.  I guess SWMBO 
> is screwed.  Not sure how she will prove fault without a police 
> report.  IMO if he really admitted fault in front of cop, cop would 
> put that on report, if their was one.  I let SWMBO know you ALWAYS 
> demand a report when it is the other guys fault.  She says it was my 
> fault because she called me to ask and I did not answer.  I did not 
> answer because I was in meetings trying to work.
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Re: [MBZ] Shop door

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Most residential doors open inward, probably so a storm or screen door can be 
added. AFAIK, commercial doors open outward (and have panic hardware) so a pile 
of panicked people trying to escape cannot block the door shut.

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Sent: Tuesday, March 1, 2022 11:20 AM
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Cc: Allan Streib 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Shop door

The main entry doors on all my homes has always opened inwards. Not sure if a 
different code would apply to a non-residential building like a shop or garage?


On Tue, Mar 1, 2022, at 11:15 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:
> Isn’t it fire code it has to open outward? Although there are probably 
> no fire codes in Okieland.   
>
> AZBob
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Mar 1, 2022, at 7:41 AM, G Mann via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Roll up door with a hand operated chain drive to roll it up, instead 
>> of electric. Then if the electric goes out you can operate the door. 
>> The roll up door takes up the least space since you don't have the 
>> overhead rails like garage doors with spring assist, ect.
>> No hinges to deal with, and the up/down rails are inside the building 
>> so they can be sealed off from wind and water incursion.
>> Cost a bit more, IMHO, worth it.
>> 
>>> On Tue, Mar 1, 2022 at 7:29 AM Jim Cathey via Mercedes < 
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>>> 
>>> Big knife, machete.  Peel your way in like a can opener, would take 
>>> mere seconds.
>>> Wouldn't want the door to swing inwards, very inconvenient regards 
>>> occupying valuable space.  It's probably best the way it is.  Are 
>>> there big-boy versions of those hidden cabinet hinges?
>>> 
>>> -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] Shop door

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Inward-opening doors have a floor-space penalty because the swing area must be 
kept clear.  They are also more vulnerable to brute-force attacks because the 
door jam helps resist a pushing attack.
Some people weld the hinge pin so it can't be removed.  
You can also fabricate a hinge protector that works like the "non-live" locking 
bolts on a safe.  This shows the idea:
https://www.amazon.com/Security-Door-Lock-Hinge-Protector/dp/B00JF90IOK?


-Original Message-
From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
Sent: Tuesday, March 1, 2022 3:03 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: Kaleb Striplin 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Shop door

One thing I do with the cars parked inside I don’t leave the keys in them. I 
usually have them sitting somewhere not easily seen. That way somebody can’t 
just break in and drive a bunch of cars out, hopefully. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 1, 2022, at 1:50 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> $1,000 deductible?
> 
> I would think it a good idea to try to avoid having to replace a lot of tools.
> Maybe build a locked storage unit inside the garage as well and store the 
> tools in it.
> 
> Cameras would be a good idea as well and a monitored alarm. People may break 
> in but if the alarm goes off, they will likely not stick around for long. If 
> you can reduce the time they are willing to invest, you should reduce your 
> damage.
> 
> 
>> On 01/03/2022 1:42 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
>> At some point the ROI goes negative when reinforcing a structure to stop a 
>> determined intruder. Do what is reasonable to deter impulsive opportunists, 
>> then let insurance handle any losses.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Tue, Mar 1, 2022, at 2:38 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:
>>> How solid is your door? We have had our offices broken into a couple 
>>> of times and the thieves just break the door. I assume they use a 
>>> sledge hammer and just bang the door hard enough near the lock to 
>>> break a chunk out of the door. Solid doors but basically plywood on 
>>> either side with particle board in the middle.
>>> 
>>> If you have a steel door, it is likely hollow so  you may want to 
>>> reinforce the inside of it and the door jamb to prevent that sort of thing.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 01/03/2022 12:53 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
 Seems like you could do this anywhere on the hinge side of the door, would 
 not need to remove a hinge screw?
 
 
 On Tue, Mar 1, 2022, at 1:52 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> That reminds me they do sell hinges that do that. They have studs 
> that stick out and you have to drill holes in the frame and when 
> the door is closed the studs stick into the holes.
> 
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] WiFi extender

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Also a good option.  Like a cable but without pulling cable, usually.  I
keep a pair on hand for temporary needs but my OOMA phone ran off a pair of
powerline adaptors for several years and the speed is near cat5.  But the
powerline adaptors confused my Unifi setup.

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Sent: Monday, February 21, 2022 11:19 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: Jim Cathey 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] WiFi extender

I use a couple of powerline Ethernet adapters.  This bridges a wire from our
main switch into the bedroom at the back end of the house.  From there, a
second Airport Express has been ganged together with the primary one.

It's not as fast back there, but it's been fast enough for our needs.  This
was cheap-cheap-cheap, as both the powerline Ethernet bricks and the Airport
Expresses were from the thrift stream.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] WiFi extender

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

I'll be the oddball.  Run a wire (before hot weather comes) and put an access 
point at the far end.  Mesh is OK, I guess but cat5 is better, IMO.  By the way 
you don't need to put the access point (or mesh router) inside the room; just 
lay it on top of the drywall or insulation if there is attic above if that's 
easier.  

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2022 8:43 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: Kaleb Striplin 
Subject: [MBZ] WiFi extender

My office is on one end of the house and kids Xbox at other end. It gets signal 
back there but I guess it’s not good enough to run his games. I put a 2nd 
router connected to the first in the dining room to move a signal closer, but 
it’s still not working that great. 

Aside from running a hard line thru the attic back there, what device or 
solution would solve this?

Sent from my iPhone

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Re: [MBZ] Am I doing this starter voltage drop test correctly?

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Can you measure the voltage across the battery terminals while cranking? 
That would tell you if you have a battery problem or not.  I don't know the 
history of this car but oil that is way too thick can really lug cold 
weather cranking.  Is the oil viscosity known or is there experience 
cranking at warm ambient?

I don't know if there is a voltage drop spec for these things.  1.3v seems 
high to me but my experience is with batteries mounted much closer to the 
starter.

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From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2022 9:19 PM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Cc: Kaleb Striplin 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Am I doing this starter voltage drop test correctly?

Did I have the range set correctly on my meter, or did you notice on that 
video?  When I turned the key on it jumped up to around .5 volts and settled 
down to .12 BEFORE I started cranking.  Should it show any voltage before 
the cranking starts?  When cranking it shows 1.2-1.5 volts.

The ground cable I am taking about is the short ground strap or whatever 
that comes off the solenoid to the body/back of the starter.

Tomorrow I will try a jumper cable from the battery to the b terminal and 
see what happens.  If this voltage drop is accurate and this high, could it 
be a dirty connection at the starter?  I can't see it at all, I have been 
doing this all by feel.  I did go to HF today and bought one of those 
inspection cameras so I can get a look at it.  Tomorrow will probably remove 
the connections and see if they need to be cleaned up. Same with that one on 
the back of the alternator.

On 2/19/2022 5:56 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:
> 0.9V lost in the cable, _while cranking_, is something near a 10% loss!
> Sounds unacceptable to me.
>
> If this is just while sitting, something else is drastically wrong.
> Have you tried using your jumper cables to tie battery + to the big
> terminal on the starter?  Bypass what should be perfect heavy cabling,
> using temporary heavy cabling.  Any difference then?
>
> People tend to think of wires as perfect.  They are not, they ALL are 
> resistors.
> Just, we hope, very small ones.  Measuring the voltage across a wire
> under load will show the imperfection.  It should not be much.
>
> What 'ground' cable between the solenoid and the starter?
>
> The schematic of the heavy-current starter circuit is dirt-simple:
>
>
> ++
> ||
> --- Bat-  ==  Star-
>---   tery  ==  ter
> ||
> ++
>
> Ideally you are measuring the voltage between the two '+' symbols on
> the top, and also between the two '+' symbols on the bottom.
> Neither should show any significant voltage while starting.  If the
> wires were perfect, they would read zero.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Am I doing this starter voltage drop test correctly?

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Can you measure the voltage across the battery terminals while cranking?  That 
would tell you if you have a battery problem or not.  I don't know the history 
of this car but oil that is way too thick can really lug cold weather cranking. 
 Is the oil viscosity known or is there experience cranking at warm ambient?  

I don't know if there is a voltage drop spec for these things.  1.3v seems high 
to me but my experience is with batteries mounted much closer to the starter.  

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2022 9:19 PM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Cc: Kaleb Striplin 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Am I doing this starter voltage drop test correctly?

Did I have the range set correctly on my meter, or did you notice on that 
video?  When I turned the key on it jumped up to around .5 volts and settled 
down to .12 BEFORE I started cranking.  Should it show any voltage before the 
cranking starts?  When cranking it shows 1.2-1.5 volts.

The ground cable I am taking about is the short ground strap or whatever that 
comes off the solenoid to the body/back of the starter.

Tomorrow I will try a jumper cable from the battery to the b terminal and see 
what happens.  If this voltage drop is accurate and this high, could it be a 
dirty connection at the starter?  I can't see it at all, I have been doing this 
all by feel.  I did go to HF today and bought one of those inspection cameras 
so I can get a look at it.  Tomorrow will probably remove the connections and 
see if they need to be cleaned up. Same with that one on the back of the 
alternator.

On 2/19/2022 5:56 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:
> 0.9V lost in the cable, _while cranking_, is something near a 10% loss!
> Sounds unacceptable to me.
>
> If this is just while sitting, something else is drastically wrong.  
> Have you tried using your jumper cables to tie battery + to the big 
> terminal on the starter?  Bypass what should be perfect heavy cabling, 
> using temporary heavy cabling.  Any difference then?
>
> People tend to think of wires as perfect.  They are not, they ALL are 
> resistors.
> Just, we hope, very small ones.  Measuring the voltage across a wire 
> under load will show the imperfection.  It should not be much.
>
> What 'ground' cable between the solenoid and the starter?
>
> The schematic of the heavy-current starter circuit is dirt-simple:
>
>
> ++
> ||
> --- Bat-  ==  Star-
>---   tery  ==  ter
> ||
> ++
>
> Ideally you are measuring the voltage between the two '+' symbols on 
> the top, and also between the two '+' symbols on the bottom.
> Neither should show any significant voltage while starting.  If the 
> wires were perfect, they would read zero.
>
> -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] Diesel oil

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I think it's called cascading failure and it can occur in all manner of
social, mechanical, and economic systems if they are not robust. 


On 2/18/2022 6:00 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:
> Hmm. Going to be a bit of supply chain issues if trucks can't get their
oil changed.
>
>
> Rick
>
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> Sent: February 18, 2022 5:55 PM
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> Cc: g2ma...@gmail.com
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesel oil
>
> Welcome to the club.
> Just yesterday in Phoenix on Craigslist some guy was offering 1 gallon
jugs
> of 15W40 T6 Full Synthetic for $60 a gallon, ad says "I have 15 gallons".
> Gouge pricing much?
>
> On Fri, Feb 18, 2022 at 12:25 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
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>
>> There is now no diesel 5w40 of any kind available from Walmart. The other
>> day they had  valvoline blue that could be ordered. Not today.
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Cell phones

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

More details: When phone shopping (probably for current Moto G7, not
certain) I noticed some model numbers were GSM only, some CDMA only, some
both some limited frequencies, etc.  The point is you need to check the fine
print and the long model number.

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From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Jim Cathey via Mercedes
Sent: Monday, February 14, 2022 12:04 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: Jim Cathey 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cell phones

Yes, my iPhone 4S was what I was using at the time.  The new frequencies
require a newer phone, but IIRC there wasn't such a tower on the coast in
question anyway.  Currently I have an iPhone 8.

You simply must check, in detail, before committing.  Amusing, on the
advertised national coverage maps, is the giant Nebraska-sized hole in
T-Mobile's map!

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] OT Google phones

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

I've been happy with Republic: $15/mo + $5/gig/mo.  They have contracts with
GSM and CDMA tower systems but you get one or the other.  Republic is all
online (no brick and mortar).  If you already have (or buy elsewhere) one of
the phones they support they'll just send a SIM card.
I started with GSM but they switched me to CDMA after I complained about
cell coverage (I live in a very rural area, i.e. farms).  The main advantage
for me is Republic service uses Wi-Fi instead of cell if good Wi-Fi is
available.  Other services switch to Wi-Fi only when the cell signal is too
weak.  I have good Wi-Fi at home so marginal cell coverage is not a factor.
Our church has aluminum siding so the cell signal inside is almost
non-existent but the Wi-Fi is good; that rapidly drains the battery for
phones that don't switch to Wi-Fi.   Battery drain is generally lower on
Wi-Fi than cell even with good cell coverage.

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes
Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2022 10:27 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: Karl Wittnebel 
Subject: [MBZ] OT Google phones

I recall someone mentioned using Google Fi for cell service. Is the
experience generally positive, or am I way out of date? We are looking to
escape ATT due to exorbitant pricing. At home we don't even get reception,
so it seems like it will be hard to do any worse than that for network
coverage. I ordered a SIM card from them but just wanted to do some due
diligence on the user experience, if possible.

Thanks,
Karl


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Re: [MBZ] Security cameras

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

I started a wordy reply and realized you would be better served by an existing 
web site (if you can stand the owner, fenderman, who can be off-putting):  
https://ipcamtalk.com/.  Best to start on the wikki page:  
https://ipcamtalk.com/wiki/

Up front, you need to decide if you want a cloud-based system or one where you 
control the data on a local PC or NVR.  Some of the cloud stuff is very cheap 
because you only buy the cameras and some of those are very low cost but still 
have usable imagery.  But locating recorded imagery on some cloud systems is 
almost unusable.
NVRs start around $100 (without hard drive) and up, basically same ballpark as 
bargain PCs these days.  Some NVRs have POE ports to power cameras (over 
ethernet) directly from the NVR.  Alternatively, you can use a software system, 
like Blue Iris, on a PC with a switch to connect the cameras and router.
I recommend hard-wired cameras (vs Wi-Fi) whenever practical.  
Nearly all cameras work pretty well in daylight but night (IR) imagery is 
another matter, especially if there is movement.  Cheap cameras need long 
exposure times at night so movement becomes a blur.
Equipment from Reolink is cheap but I find night performance poor and autofocus 
on my older zoom cam was unusable.  Zoom is only useful for framing the image; 
if a fixed focal length can will do the job you don't need zoom.  
Get turret-style cameras if possible.  Avoid dome cameras; the camera sees 
backscatter from the IR illuminator at night.  When the dome gets dirty this is 
really bad.
I have been generally pleased with hardware from Dahua and there are OEM brands 
that use Dahua hardware with OEM software (like Amcrest and others).  Look for 
US or international versions of equipment; i.e., avoid hacked Chinese domestic 
models that have patched software.
For your situation a cloud-based system may be best (low initial cost and low 
power usage) if the online search/replay works well.  I can't advise there.
Many cameras are relatively smart and use a SD card to save (limited) video.  
You can access that camera's video remotely but this becomes cumbersome if you 
have more than a very few cameras.  I don't have personal experience with this.
The NVR approach records video as long as you have power.  NVRs typically use 
much less power than computers.  NVRs with POE ports provide a self-contained 
setup:  all cams plug into the NVR and the NVR plugs into the router.  Some NVR 
software is more user-friendly that others.
Personally, I have about 12 cameras (mostly) powered by a POE switch and a 
dedicated PC running Blue Iris.  In most regards this is overkill; there are 
many features I never learned to use.  
I have an Amcrest NVR (not POE) running Dahua software and that works well but 
it is not my primary system.  My original plan was to hide this box somewhere 
to ensure a secure copy of recent imagery.
Also have a Reolink 8-channel POE NVR that is marginal, IMO.  The local 
monitor/mouse interface works fine but remote access is buggy and the remote 
application must be restarted often.
Like many things, the answer depends, mostly on what you expect and how you 
plan to use it.

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
Sent: Sunday, February 6, 2022 12:27 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List ; davesl...@okiebenz.com
Cc: Kaleb Striplin 
Subject: [MBZ] Security cameras

I know we have talked about this before but does anyone have any 
recommendations for a dvr security camera system? I have been needing to get 
something and want one that I can monitor remotely. We were out of town for 10 
days and got back we had about 10” of snow.  Came home and had a bunch of 
footprints out around the cars, barn etc. Looked like people footprints at 
first but might be some sort of animal. If human, wind blowing might have made 
them look less human. Pics attached. Anyway would like something that can be 
used to keep track of things while I’m gone. 



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Re: [MBZ] Rusty

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RIP Rusty.  The passing of an age for me.  I never laid eyes on him but he was 
a true friend to Classic MBZ owners.  His knowledge was even more valuable than 
his bargain prices.  And sometimes delivery was so fast it would make your head 
spin.  Rusty knew his parts and took the time to educate novices like me.  I 
started missing him a long time ago.



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Re: [MBZ] HF Float Charger is the Nuts

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

That's not the point.  The unregulated charger will cause premature battery
death if used constantly.
A real Battery Minder is regulated by charge phase plus desulfating.
Currently on sale:
https://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200332201_200332201? 
There may be better prices but I don't recall seen them.  I just bought two
more (fleet grew).
Battery Tender is good for continuous charge/maintenance.  
I keep one connected to my standby generator start battery at all times, as
well as off-season things like mower and tractor.  
It is definitely better than the built-in Generac charger.

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes On Behalf Of M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes
Sent: Wednesday, February 2, 2022 2:34 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: M. Mitchell Marmel 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] HF Float Charger is the Nuts

For ten bucks, I can replace it every two years.  :)

On Wed, Feb 2, 2022 at 1:27 PM mitch--- via Mercedes 
wrote:

>
> Just so you know the limitations:
> They aren't regulated, even if the ad copy says they are.
> They can push a disconnected battery to 15v, although usually they 
> stay under 14.5 connected to a MBZ with lots of electronic parts.
> For continuous use, I've never had one go more than two years before 
> dying.
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Re: [MBZ] Speed cameras

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Given that we carry cell phones with continuous tracking plus ID, cameras
don't seem like such a big deal.

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Allan Streib via Mercedes
Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2022 2:15 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: Allan Streib 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Speed cameras

Chicago just had a case where a license plate scanner spotted a car that had
been reported stolen in a carjacking. The police stopped it and a shootout
ensued. These are going up all over the area, you will not be able to drive
on any major road without being tracked in real time.

On Sun, Jan 30, 2022, at 11:55 AM, mitch--- via Mercedes wrote:
> Don't seem very popular in UK, but what about USA?
>
>
>
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1047/The-speed-camera-nightmare
-thats-coming-America.html
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Re: [MBZ] OT California Has No Idea What Its Going To Do With Millions Of Old EV Batteries

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Just another part of the needed, but overlooked, infrastructure.  
Those things contain a small fortune in minerals that need to be recovered
if this craze is to continue.

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2022 9:21 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: Floyd Thursby 
Subject: [MBZ] OT California Has No Idea What Its Going To Do With Millions
Of Old EV Batteries

The law of unintended consequences

https://jalopnik.com/california-has-no-idea-what-its-going-to-do-with-millio
-1848435371

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Re: [MBZ] Garage heating options

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

MY 12K BTU Pioneer system has been running fine for five years.  I don't know 
if my old unit is the same as to current models but mine appears identical 
(externally) to a larger Mitsubishi unit at out church.

My Pioneer system did not have pre-charged lines so I hired that HVAC pro to 
flare the lines  and pull a vacuum.  My only failure to date was a refrigerant 
leak in a (totally unnecessary) Schrader valve that my "professional HVAC 
technician" insisted on installing in the liquid line.  

My mini split did ice over a few times during freezing rain (as did both 
conventional house units).  I used a heat gun or portable forced air propane 
heater (sometimes called a torpedo or salamander) to thaw things out.  The main 
point is to insure you have access behind the outdoor unit to clean and thaw if 
needed (mine is too close to the building for good rear access).

In these systems, both expansion valves (for heating and cooling) are in the 
outside unit so a single service valve is all you need (liquid and vapor lines 
are the same pressure).  That also means both refrigerant lines need to be 
insulated and preferably short.

Cover the outside  refrigerant lines to prevent sun damage to the insulation.  
There are commercial plastic cover sets for this purpose but many things work.  
Use flex conduit or UF cable for the exposed outdoor power connection.  Your 
code probably requires a disconnect very close to the outdoor unit.

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2022 7:47 PM


So I’m paying 8-10K for labor and warranty. Wow!
I’m looking into mrcool units. A complete 18K unit set up for DIY with a 
warranty runs $2K. I wonder how good these are.



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Re: [MBZ] Cognitive Dissonance Much?

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On second thought, solar panels may good to prevent the big battery from
becoming an expensive brick during long-term parking.  For example if you
park at the airport and fly off for a two-week vacation (never use the
parking garage). I have read of cases (pre-Tesla, I think) where the battery
went into self-protection lockdown while parked and the only fix was a new
battery.  Not sure if the new batts can be saved or not in that scenario.

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Allan Streib via Mercedes
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2022 12:24 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: Allan Streib 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cognitive Dissonance Much?

My attempt at "doing the math:" solar radiation at noon on a clear day is,
from what I can tell, about 1KW/m^2. How many square meters on a car roof?
Maybe two or a little more? Photovoltaic cells are 20% efficient at best. So
you have 400-450 Watts to work with at noon, less before and after. That
will impart some charge to the battery, but even in an 8 hour workday it
won't be enough to put back what you used driving to work.

On Tue, Jan 25, 2022, at 11:44 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote:
> Still a niche car.  Do the math.  Panels may be OK to recharge while 
> you are at work on a sunny day but they can't keep up while driving.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
> Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2022 8:53 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: Andrew Strasfogel 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cognitive Dissonance Much?
>
> Tesla has finally come out or will soon with an EV with solar panels 
> on the roof so you can drive almost indefinitely, in theory.
>
> On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 3:39 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes < 
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Jan 25, 2022, at 3:30 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
>> > I thought I saw something the other day that said new Pioi were 
>> > PIHs but maybe I misread.  I don't know what MB's plans are in that
regard.
>>
>> I thought MB announced plans for their passenger autos to be 100% BEV 
>> by
>> 2025 or 2030? I'm not sure but maybe they are still planning some 
>> hybrid models.
>>
>> Several Euro countries are demanding this, as well as a few states in 
>> the US (California mandating zero-emission (a/k/a remote emission) 
>> cars by 2035).
>>
>> Allan
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Re: [MBZ] Cognitive Dissonance Much?

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IMO, electric cars are neither good nor bad.  But they are what they are.  They 
may not be what you think they are, or what you imagine them to be.  They do 
not reduce CO2 emissions per mile unless your power source is hydroelectric (or 
nuclear or geothermal).  They don't reduce net energy consumption and a 
practical infrastructure doesn't exist (it's like in the old days when you had 
to buy gasoline at a drug store).   "Refueling" time will be unacceptable or 
range limited (take your pick).  Finally, the environmental impact of 
large-scale production is not well understood.

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes
Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2022 11:18 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: Dimitri Seretakis 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cognitive Dissonance Much?

Electric cars are gay. Sorry to sound so ignorant and unsophisticated but I 
truly don’t care.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 25, 2022, at 3:22 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> And Mercedes wants to go all electric.
> Good luck with that.
> 
> https://calcoastnews.com/2022/01/slo-climate-change-activist-heidi-harmons-electric-car-calamity/
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Cognitive Dissonance Much?

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Still a niche car.  Do the math.  Panels may be OK to recharge while you are
at work on a sunny day but they can't keep up while driving.

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2022 8:53 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: Andrew Strasfogel 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cognitive Dissonance Much?

Tesla has finally come out or will soon with an EV with solar panels on the
roof so you can drive almost indefinitely, in theory.

On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 3:39 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> On Tue, Jan 25, 2022, at 3:30 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
> > I thought I saw something the other day that said new Pioi were PIHs 
> > but maybe I misread.  I don't know what MB's plans are in that regard.
>
> I thought MB announced plans for their passenger autos to be 100% BEV 
> by
> 2025 or 2030? I'm not sure but maybe they are still planning some 
> hybrid models.
>
> Several Euro countries are demanding this, as well as a few states in 
> the US (California mandating zero-emission (a/k/a remote emission) 
> cars by 2035).
>
> Allan
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Re: [MBZ] AGM vs flooded cell

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Also, AGM has much slower self-discharge.  And (IMO) they can be rehabilitated 
even after going almost flat.

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From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2022 7:01 PM
To: Dan Penoff via Mercedes ; davesl...@okiebenz.com
Cc: Kaleb Striplin 
Subject: [MBZ] AGM vs flooded cell

I am planning on installing a AGM in the GL, but for older cars such as 123, 
124, 126, etc what is the deal with AGM vs flooded cell?  Is it worth the extra 
cost for an AGM?


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Re: [MBZ] Smart thermo

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Back in the day before refrigerated air, movie theaters contracted with subway 
companies to blow cool underground air into the theater

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Allan Streib via Mercedes
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2022 2:10 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: Allan Streib 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Smart thermo

I've thought about cutting a hole in the floor between two joists and 
installing a fan to bring cool air from the basement up into the main level in 
the summertime. The air-conditioned air naturally sinks to the basement; it's 
always much cooler than the upstairs. I could run the HVAC fan continually, but 
it has return air intakes upstairs also so it's not really that effective.

Allan



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Re: [MBZ] Smart thermo

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

We installed Honeywell internet thermostats on the four HVAC systems at church. 
 It is a small church and nobody is there 95% of the time so these internet 
units allow key folks to check the temperature or change temp for a special 
event without traveling to the building.  Honeywell emails periodic reports (or 
you can look online) of system run time, which is interesting.
No smart thermostats at home yet but I do have multiple wi-fi switches, timers, 
etc.  These are all on a guest VLAN with internet access but no local access 
outside that VLAN.  

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Allan Streib via Mercedes
Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2022 10:40 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: Allan Streib 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Smart thermo

I also would not want one of Google's all-seeing eyes installed in my house. I 
prefer "dumb" devices myself, but that's just me. On that basis, I have no 
advice for you.


On Tue, Jan 11, 2022, at 9:56 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> They do, I can get a full blown Nest for about $150 with their rebates. 
> I'm just not keen about buying something that will be non-functional 
> in
> 2-3 years when Google decides to dump them.
>
> -D
> 
> From: Mercedes  on behalf of RICK 
> HAWKINS via Mercedes 
> Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2022 8:48 PM
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com 
> Cc: RICK HAWKINS 
> Subject: [MBZ] Smart thermo
>
> I’m in love with the nest … what I have at the beach … I have the high 
> end one that Georgia power sold me for about $125 which was close to 
> half price …. It’s prob 3 years old and seems to all be supported on 
> the nest cloud
>
> See if your elec company offers any deals
>
> Xx rick
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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes is selling vaporware

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Pure political genius.  Mortgage the yet unborn.  They can't complain from
the womb and the current crop of politicians will be gone before they can
vote.

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From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Clay via Mercedes
Sent: Thursday, January 6, 2022 7:45 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: Clay 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes is selling vaporware

There is one shipper in AK that retrofit their fleet with massive LNG tanks.
They shuttle between WA and AK, as well as head out to HI in these boats.
It is the Green thing to do.  I wonder if they could swap over to H fuel at
a later date.

Euro rail is electric.  Not a small enough area to allow USA to do that.
Take too much copper, and the miscreants would be constantly ripping the
wires out.  

I was reading up on the energy disaster in UK this morning.  Big huzzahs for
the increase in plug in cars, while much rending of tunic over the increase
in home heating and electric costs.  Many energy companies went into
receivership when cost to get fuel outpaced revenues and customers got
tossed into another provider with jacked up pricing.  Elected leadership is
pondering giving away more money as well as reducing tax on energy in an
attempt to lower the curve of inflationary costs.  I tried to reconcile the
mass increase in energy cost (electric) with forcing plug in cars and
inability to provide power when consumers reduce NG use and increase plug in
heaters to balance their bills


Clay

> On Jan 6, 2022, at 11:56 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes
 wrote:
> 
> Thorium reactors and upgrade (and hardening) of the US electric grid would
be an answer. However, they don't produce byproducts used in nuclear
weapons, so there is no interest.
> 
> The elephant in the room is this. A barrel of oil produces 40-46%
gasoline, 25-28% diesel fuel, 10-12% jet A, and miscellaneous other stuff,
asphalt, ship fuel, etc.  If you eliminate the internal combustion
automobile that operates on gasoline, but do NOT eliminate diesel powered
semi tractor trailers, farm tractors, combines, diesel electric
locomotives*, cargo container ships, asphalt roads, and other stuff I don't
care to mention, there will be a glut of gasoline byproduct that will need
to be disposed of. This occured early in the pandemic, when trucks were on
the road, and cars weren't. Refineries were facing shut downs because of
lack of gasoline storage, and diesel was facing shortages. Crude oil was
negative for a while, because there was a lack of storage.
> 
> No one thinks this stuff through. Decisions and actions have consequences.
Electric cars make little sense for the majority. In urban areas, where
travel is limited to a few miles each way, sure. Visitors from other
countries are amazed at the wide open spaces in the heartland and out west.
In rural America they make no sense.
> 
> So unless you eliminate a good deal of the population, and colonize the
remainder of folks into urban areas, mass electrification of personal
transportation is __ (fill in the blank).
> 
> *Locomotives are a diesel electric hybrid.
> 
> 
> Rick

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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes is selling vaporware

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

It isn't a fixed ratio.  After initial fractional distillation, the heavier 
distillates can be converted (commonly by hydrocracking) to produce more of the 
lighter distillates.  The process needs to be adjusted for the various types of 
incoming crude (e.g. light, heavy, sweet, sour).
-Original Message-

From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Allan Streib via Mercedes
Sent: Thursday, January 6, 2022 4:13 PM

That breakdown of a barrel of oil is interesting. So how did we arrive at that 
perfect balance of what oil provides and what we do with it? Did we develop 
technology to use the oil products available, or did we develop refining 
techniques to produce the refined product the market wanted?

For example, before jet airplanes, where did the 10% Jet A component go?

When the railroads all switched from coal-fired steam to diesel-electric, how 
did we supply that increased demand for diesel fuel?


On Thu, Jan 6, 2022, at 3:56 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:
> Thorium reactors and upgrade (and hardening) of the US electric grid 
> would be an answer. However, they don't produce byproducts used in 
> nuclear weapons, so there is no interest.
>
> The elephant in the room is this. A barrel of oil produces 40-46% 
> gasoline, 25-28% diesel fuel, 10-12% jet A, and miscellaneous other 
> stuff, asphalt, ship fuel, etc.  If you eliminate the internal 
> combustion automobile that operates on gasoline, but do NOT eliminate 
> diesel powered semi tractor trailers, farm tractors, combines, diesel 
> electric locomotives*, cargo container ships, asphalt roads, and other 
> stuff I don't care to mention, there will be a glut of gasoline 
> byproduct that will need to be disposed of. This occured early in the 
> pandemic, when trucks were on the road, and cars weren't. Refineries 
> were facing shut downs because of lack of gasoline storage, and diesel 
> was facing shortages. Crude oil was negative for a while, because 
> there was a lack of storage.
>
> No one thinks this stuff through. Decisions and actions have 
> consequences. Electric cars make little sense for the majority. In 
> urban areas, where travel is limited to a few miles each way, sure.
> Visitors from other countries are amazed at the wide open spaces in 
> the heartland and out west. In rural America they make no sense.
>
> So unless you eliminate a good deal of the population, and colonize 
> the remainder of folks into urban areas, mass electrification of 
> personal transportation is __ (fill in the blank).
>
> *Locomotives are a diesel electric hybrid.
>
>
> Rick
>
> Hard times produce tough men.
>
> Tough men produce good times.
>
> Good times produce weak men.
>
> Weak men produce hard times. #
>
> # We are here.
>
> Hope This Helps.
>
>
> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Sent: January 6, 2022 2:07 PM
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Cc: astrasfo...@gmail.com
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes is selling vaporware
>
> *Electric cars are niche vehicles for the rich based on the myth they 
> don't pollute.  Given state of the art of electrical power generation, 
> conversion, and transmission, electric vehicle operation pollutes less 
> (not
> none) only if the charging power is hydro.*
>
> Really?  I have a deposit on a modestly priced EV (Fisker Ocean), and 
> am not exactly rich.
>
> Obviously, if you build GHG emitting power plants to satisfy the 
> demand for charging EVs that would be a detriment, but no one is suggesting 
> that.
> Solar and wind are steadily supplanting fossil fuel generating sources 
> of baseload electricity, and nuclear may yet enjoy a renaissance (but 
> don't hold your breath).  And to be fair, conventional ICE cars have 
> comparable or greater impacts than EVs in terms of building and 
> recycling costs while polluting the air and warming the planet.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 6, 2022 at 2:38 PM Scott Ritchey via Mercedes < 
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> Exactly.  Electric cars are niche vehicles for the rich based on the 
>> myth they don't pollute.  Given state of the art of electrical power 
>> generation, conversion, and transmission, electric vehicle operation 
>> pollutes less (not
>> none) only if the charging power is hydro.  And that doesn't account 
>> for pollution from building and recycling.
>>
>> The electric vehicle craze is what you get when art-history majors 
>> make decisions for brain-dead politicians.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Mercedes On Behalf Of G Mann via Mercedes
>> Sent: Thursday, January 6, 2022 8:58 AM
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>> Cc: G Mann 
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes is selling vaporware
>>
>>

Re: [MBZ] Mercedes is selling vaporware

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Exactly.  Electric cars are niche vehicles for the rich based on the myth they 
don't pollute.  Given state of the art of electrical power generation, 
conversion, and transmission, electric vehicle operation pollutes less (not 
none) only if the charging power is hydro.  And that doesn't account for 
pollution from building and recycling.

The electric vehicle craze is what you get when art-history majors make 
decisions for brain-dead politicians.

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes On Behalf Of G Mann via Mercedes
Sent: Thursday, January 6, 2022 8:58 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: G Mann 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes is selling vaporware

In the real world, cold weather sucks the life out of battery reserves. So, at 
wind chill minus 30, range would be much less... then, how do you heat the car 
so you can stand to drive and survive... stuck in a snowbank for a couple days 
with no recharge [real world that happens] you become a well preserved frozen 
artifact not found until the spring thaw, maybe.
The electric car has reality problems that have not been overcome. I will keep 
driving Diesels for now.


On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 12:23 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes < 
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> If it really has a 620 mile range (assume real-world ~500) that would 
> be quite welcome. Not a fan of the wide screen and other gizmos. Give 
> me a car with that range, basic gauges on the dash, a manual climate 
> control system, real switches for the headlights, wipers, and other 
> accessories, and I might be interested.
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 3, 2022, at 9:08 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> > MB Tex was the distant ancestor of vegan upholstery.
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 3, 2022 at 8:44 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes < 
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Wasn’t that called “MBTex”?
> >>
> >> --FT
> >> Sent from iFōn
> >>
> >> > On Jan 3, 2022, at 8:19 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Fisker uses vegan leather too.
> >> >
> >> >> On Mon, Jan 3, 2022, 7:02 PM Clay via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Vegan leather = Mango fruit leather
> >> >>
> >> >> Clay
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>> On Jan 3, 2022, at 2:57 PM, OK Don via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com
> >> >
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>
> >>
> https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a38651341/mercedes-benz-vision-eqxx-
> concept-revealed/
> >> >>>
> >> >>> --
> >> >>> OK Don
> >> >>>
> >> >>> "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is 
> >> >>> time
> to
> >> >>> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
> >> >>>
> >> >>> “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am
> doing.”
> >> >> Wernher
> >> >>> Von Braun
> >> >>> 2013 F150, 18 mpg
> >> >>> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
> >> >>> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
> >> >>
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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes is selling vaporware

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

OIL SAE viscosity?

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Clay via Mercedes
Sent: Wednesday, January 5, 2022 4:04 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: Clay 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes is selling vaporware

Temps this week hover around 0*F in ANC.  The carpet installers are using
the garage to prep so the cars are out on the street.  I tried to move one
that had sat overnight to put it in the driveway.  Maybe 30 hour cold soaked
and that poor battery was nearly incapable of spinning it over.  Like a no
glow start on an OM615.  Did get it lit off after a few tries and hooked it
to the charger once the engine was up to temp and battery warmed.  Tried to
move it this morning and it was not happy.  Maybe it wants a real winter
battery.



Clay

> On Jan 5, 2022, at 11:39 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes
 wrote:
> 
> Ask the folks in Teslas who were stranded on the interstate in Virginia.
> 
> I think at least the newer EV cars do not use resistance heating, which
would be a heavy drain on the batteries, but use a heat pump system which
should be more efficient, at least as long as it's not *too* cold outside.
> 
> I don't know how a half-charged EV vs. a car with a half-tank of gas would
compare as far as keeping warm enough to prevent hypothermia in a "stranded
in a blizzard" scenario.
> 
> Allan

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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes is selling vaporware

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

As a former resident of hurricane alley (who had to evacuate more than once)
I think a person would be nuts to have an electric car unless he also had a
reliable gas/diesel vehicle.  

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes On Behalf Of mitch--- via Mercedes
Sent: Wednesday, January 5, 2022 4:16 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: mi...@mitchellhaley.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes is selling vaporware

You have blankets, a parka, and insulated boots in the trunk, right?
Mitch.

On 2022-01-05 15:39, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:

> I don't know how a half-charged EV vs. a car with a half-tank of gas 
> would compare as far as keeping warm enough to prevent hypothermia in 
> a "stranded in a blizzard" scenario.
> 

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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes is selling vaporware

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

The air coming out of the mini-split in my barn feels quite warm, especially 
compared to a normal central heat pump system.  But the moving air may still 
feel cool across the room.  Also, the mini-split air handler always needs some 
air flow (blower on low) to sense room temperature.

Something I didn't mention is the mini-split has a minimal air filter, just a 
screen.  Nothing like the pleated filters in large central units.

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes On Behalf Of dan penoff.com via Mercedes
Sent: Wednesday, January 5, 2022 9:59 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: dan penoff.com 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes is selling vaporware

Don, is the outlet air temperature decent? That's one thing that a lot of 
people don't get used to if they've experienced gas or electric forced air - 
the outlet temps are generally quite a bit higher than what a heat pump puts 
out.

I'm curious about this as I don't want to put something in the casita that 
won't perform.

Thanks!

-D

From: Mercedes  on behalf of OK Don via Mercedes 

Sent: Wednesday, January 5, 2022 9:34 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: OK Don 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes is selling vaporware

The Mitsubishi mini-split we had installed last year is rated for either 5 or 
10F. It has been down to 15F so far, and it held the temp just fine. The temp 
is supposed to drop to 12F tonight - we'll see.It's also very quiet.

On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 7:46 PM Dwight Giles via Mercedes < 
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> yes we just had one rated 4F installed in our church rectory.
>  the one we put in our house 15 years ago is rated 30F for heat
>
> On Wed, Jan 5, 2022, 6:00 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes < 
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Actually, there are heat pumps now rated for lower temperatures. My 
> > insulation guys in Flagstaff offered me a mini-split that’s good 
> > down to
> 4F
> > (-15C) for the casita. Granted, I can’t imagine the air temperature
> coming
> > out of it would be that great, but it’s supposed to produce heat 
> > down to that ambient temperature.
> >
> > I passed for now, but I may still do it so I can disable the old gas 
> > wall furnace that’s currently in there.
> >
> > -D
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> > > On Jan 5, 2022, at 3:08 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > It really isn't a problem for Tesla owners to keep the car warm 
> > > in
> > really cold weather. They just light it on fire and it burns hot for
> days.
> > >
> > > Heat pumps for houses don't work here in the winter temperatures. 
> > > They
> > are fine in spring and fall but come winter, you will be relying 
> > upon electric heat built in to the heat pump system.
> > >
> > > Randy
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >> On 05/01/2022 2:39 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
> > >> Ask the folks in Teslas who were stranded on the interstate in
> Virginia.
> > >>
> > >> I think at least the newer EV cars do not use resistance heating,
> which
> > would be a heavy drain on the batteries, but use a heat pump system 
> > which should be more efficient, at least as long as it's not *too* 
> > cold
> outside.
> > >>
> > >> I don't know how a half-charged EV vs. a car with a half-tank of 
> > >> gas
> > would compare as far as keeping warm enough to prevent hypothermia 
> > in a "stranded in a blizzard" scenario.
> > >>
> > >> Allan
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes is selling vaporware

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Mini splits have advantages, mainly no duct loss, multi-speed blowers, and 
variable speed (inverter-driven) compressors  for optimum refrigerant flow.  
Efficiency is not the right measure.  Resistance heating is 100% efficient (all 
watts become BTUs).  For heat pumps coefficient of performance (COP) a better 
metric.  COP=BTU-out/watts-in (in the same units, of course).  COP of 2-3+ is 
not unusual.  Metrics like SEER are like EPA mileage to estimate average the 
performance over an expected range of operating conditions.  Mini splits still 
have good winter efficiency at low temps, they just can't produce as much 
output heat.  As outside temp goes down heat loss goes up (requiring more BTU 
to stay warm) while heat pump output goes down, so it's a double whammy.

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes On Behalf Of dan penoff.com via Mercedes
Sent: Wednesday, January 5, 2022 7:51 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: dan penoff.com 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes is selling vaporware

From what my insulation guys said, and they've been doing this in the Flagstaff 
area for some years, mini-splits have always performed better at low 
temperatures than the larger single home units. Apparently, it's something to 
do with the design. The big-name guys like Samsung have units that are as much 
as 95% efficient at low temperatures. Thats the big issue - efficiency. When 
it's only 70% efficient at those temperatures, it's becoming ineffective at 
pulling heat out of the ambient air.

-D

From: Mercedes  on behalf of Randy Bennell via 
Mercedes 
Sent: Wednesday, January 5, 2022 6:03 PM
To: dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
Cc: Randy Bennell 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes is selling vaporware

I thought they might even work down to about -20C but we get colder than that 
here in the GWN. It is -25C right now at 5:00 PM.
The coldest that I have seen lately is about -33C but we sometimes exceed that.

Randy

On 05/01/2022 4:59 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> Actually, there are heat pumps now rated for lower temperatures. My 
> insulation guys in Flagstaff offered me a mini-split that’s good down to 4F 
> (-15C) for the casita. Granted, I can’t imagine the air temperature coming 
> out of it would be that great, but it’s supposed to produce heat down to that 
> ambient temperature.
>
> I passed for now, but I may still do it so I can disable the old gas wall 
> furnace that’s currently in there.
>
> -D
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Jan 5, 2022, at 3:08 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>>
>> It really isn't a problem for Tesla owners to keep the car warm in really 
>> cold weather. They just light it on fire and it burns hot for days.
>>
>> Heat pumps for houses don't work here in the winter temperatures. They are 
>> fine in spring and fall but come winter, you will be relying upon electric 
>> heat built in to the heat pump system.
>>
>> Randy
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 05/01/2022 2:39 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
>>> Ask the folks in Teslas who were stranded on the interstate in Virginia.
>>>
>>> I think at least the newer EV cars do not use resistance heating, which 
>>> would be a heavy drain on the batteries, but use a heat pump system which 
>>> should be more efficient, at least as long as it's not *too* cold outside.
>>>
>>> I don't know how a half-charged EV vs. a car with a half-tank of gas would 
>>> compare as far as keeping warm enough to prevent hypothermia in a "stranded 
>>> in a blizzard" scenario.
>>>
>>> Allan
>>>
>>>


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Re: [MBZ] OT so I was just down the road

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

How about: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sq1sIzPX_0c


-Original Message-
From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
Sent: Monday, January 3, 2022 7:56 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: Buggered Benzmail 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT so I was just down the road

I don’t think so, it would have just been louder and more annoying 

--FT
Sent from iFōn

> On Jan 3, 2022, at 7:46 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I wonder if the Ferrari would have sounded better if it had been revved much 
> higher?
> 
> Randy
> 
>> On 1/3/2022 4:02 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:
>> At the grocery store and this guy in a little Ferrari of some sort is 
>> cruising through. The thing sounded like some slammed sh*tbox ricer Honda 
>> Civic with a fart can exhaust. Truly awful and annoying. Then a woman goes 
>> by in one of those Porch 2-seaters, a cayman?  And it sounded good. Both 
>> 6-poppers I guess but the eyetalian car was just nasty.
>> 
>> First-world problems…
>> 
>> --FT
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Home Despot batteries

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Trivia:  Army/Air Force  commissaries (grocery stores) havd "bag boys" that 
bagged your groceries, took them to your car, and loaded them in your trunk.  
At least they did in my day.  These jobs were highly competitive but unpaid; 
they worked for tips only.  I had a Master Sergeant who worked as a "bag boy" 
off duty.  Some of the guys claimed he made more in tips than his military pay. 
 That may not be true but he was very committed to about his off-duty job.

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes


I think the smaller family owned grocery store chains are becoming a thing of 
the past.  Aside from the one I worked for, there were several other local ones 
that have been gone for years.  The last one we had here started in the 60's 
but they had fancy stores and their prices were higher, but still locally 
owned.  The chain I worked for was no thrills basic stores for back in the day. 
No bakery deli, stuff like that.  We actually had sackers that bagged your 
groceries and took them out to the car (my first job when I was 16 years old).  
Anyway, this last locally owned chain just sold out to some big chain out of 
Texas.  Keeping the same name but I am sure it will not be the same anymore.

On 1/3/2022 9:19 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> I just read a short Indianapolis Business Journal story on them. I knew that 
> Marsh had bought them out, but from what they said in the article Marsh 
> pretty much abandoned the remaining stores and let them die a slow death. The 
> one we shopped at when I was a kid on the Southside was one of the last, and 
> they said it closed in 2016. Too bad, that was a great place.
>
> -D
> 
> From: Mercedes  on behalf of Allan 
> Streib via Mercedes 
> Sent: Monday, January 3, 2022 10:14 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: Allan Streib 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Home Despot batteries
>
> Yep, we had an O'Malias in Bloomington. My mom loved to shop there. It closed 
> years ago. There were a couple of butchers in the meat department who had 
> been in that line of work for years. They started their own independent meat 
> shop, and it's still doing well.
>
> Allan
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 3, 2022, at 10:10 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>> Agreed. A coworker founds some sort of DIY Korean stuff we had tried 
>> at a local restaurant at his Wally World, which is in a very 
>> different demographic area than where I live. I looked for it at my 
>> WW and of course, nothing like it. Not even close.
>>
>> When I was growing up in Indianapolis we had "O'Malia's" grocery 
>> stores. I think there were only 2-3 of them, family-owned place where 
>> most of the employees were either family or related in some fashion.
>> Great service, selection, and would pretty much order anything you 
>> wanted if they didn't have it on the shelf.
>>
>> Old man O'Malia got busted screwing the IRS by not reporting the 
>> income from the vending machines they had in front of the store. At 
>> least that was the story, as I recall. I have to believe if he was 
>> shorting the IRS it wasn't just for the money in the Coke machines. 
>> Regardless, the Marsh chain bought them out and eventually ran them 
>> into the ground. I think the last of the 8 stores around town closed in 2016.
>>
>> -D
>> 
>> From: Curt Raymond 
>> Sent: Monday, January 3, 2022 9:53 PM
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>> Cc: dan penoff.com 
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Home Despot batteries
>>
>> Wally screws themselves with that too, it becomes a self-fullfilling 
>> prophecy. The 2 stores never sell any 0w40 because they don't have 
>> any to sell...
>>
>> My biggest complaint at Wally is that you don't really have any 
>> choice for most things. For a given category of product they usually 
>> have 3 choices, the expensive one, the mid priced one and the cheap 
>> one. They don't have anything that's interesting or novel because it 
>> might not sell.
>>
>> -Curt
>>
>> On Monday, January 3, 2022, 09:40:09 PM EST, dan penoff.com via 
>> Mercedes  wrote:
>>
>>
>> Wally World is the king of this. Their inventory is extremely 
>> selective and solely based on what does (or doesn't) sell at a given 
>> location. I have three "Supercenters" within about 8 miles of my 
>> house. I can only get M1 0W-40 at one of them - the other two never 
>> have it. I've seen similar examples for foodstuffs in their grocery, too.
>>
>> It's amazing how granular they are when it comes to inventory.
>>
>> -D
>> 
>> From: Mercedes
>> mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com>>
>> on behalf of Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>>
>> Sent: Monday, January 3, 2022 9:35 PM
>> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>>
>> Cc: Kaleb Striplin mailto:ka...@striplin.net>>
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Home Despot batteries
>>
>> That sounds about right.

Re: [MBZ] Home Despot batteries

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Another government story. There was some item SWMBO bought at the base 
commissary but she could no longer find it.  So she found the manager and 
inquired.  The manager said they no longer carry that item because it sold so 
fast they could not keep it in stock.  You see, the manager was penalized for 
empty shelves but not lost sales.

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Curt Raymond via Mercedes
Sent: Monday, January 3, 2022 9:54 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: Curt Raymond 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Home Despot batteries

 Wally screws themselves with that too, it becomes a self-fullfilling prophecy. 
The 2 stores never sell any 0w40 because they don't have any to sell...
My biggest complaint at Wally is that you don't really have any choice for most 
things. For a given category of product they usually have 3 choices, the 
expensive one, the mid priced one and the cheap one. They don't have anything 
that's interesting or novel because it might not sell.
-Curt

On Monday, January 3, 2022, 09:40:09 PM EST, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Wally World is the king of this. Their inventory is extremely selective and 
solely based on what does (or doesn't) sell at a given location. I have three 
"Supercenters" within about 8 miles of my house. I can only get M1 0W-40 at one 
of them - the other two never have it. I've seen similar examples for 
foodstuffs in their grocery, too.

It's amazing how granular they are when it comes to inventory.

-D

From: Mercedes  on behalf of Kaleb Striplin via 
Mercedes 
Sent: Monday, January 3, 2022 9:35 PM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com 
Cc: Kaleb Striplin 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Home Despot batteries

That sounds about right.

Back in my days of working at and managing grocery stores, we were a smaller 17 
store family owned chain and we ordered our own product a couple of times a 
week from the warehouse.  In fact, we had our own central warehouse where they 
would buy products by the truck load or train load, to stock the warehouse, 
which was then sent to the stores as ordered.  Our regular items came from a 
grocery wholesaler.  The stuff from our warehouse was deeply discounted because 
they bought it in bulk.  Years later after the old man who owned it died, and 
kids ran it, they went away from that and strictly ordered from the wholesaler 
same as every other store.  After that they were no longer really competitive 
and since have been sold off.

Anyway, sorry for the side track but it seemed a lot of other stores, 
especially big corporate stores, they do not order anything, they just get 
whatever corporate sends them.  Seems like a very stupid model to do business.

On 1/3/2022 8:27 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>  Yup. My cousin worked for years and years at Wal-Mart. He worked his way up 
> to be manager of the sporting goods department. Every year corporate would 
> send them a whole bunch of salt water fishing gear. Maine is on the coast 
> right? But here's a surprise for corporate, not all of Maine is on the coast 
> and people who live inland don't do much salt water fishing. So cousin Tim 
> gets stuck with all this crap he can't sell and get dinged for carrying stock 
> that doesn't move which affects his bonus.
> Finally through a series of moves I don't remember he manages to "lose" the 
> stuff that doesn't sell. I can't remember if he shipped it to some other 
> store or what went on but he got it off his books somehow. All of a sudden he 
> goes from being one of the worst performing departments in the store to one 
> of the best. Big bonus. Next year they ship him all the stuff he can't sell 
> again...
> -Curt
>
>  On Monday, January 3, 2022, 09:18:00 PM EST, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
>
>  This is where the big box corporate retailers can't get around the overlords 
> that are dictating how the stores are to be operated.
>
> A local parts store or hardware store owner would just shrug, ring up $80.00 
> or whatever, and let you take it home.
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 3, 2022, at 9:13 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:
>> They send those items “back” and from there who knows where they go.
>> Liquidators I guess. It would be much simpler to sell them to a 
>> customer for some amount rather than going through all that for a few 
>> pennies
>>
>> --FT
>> Sent from iFōn
>>
>>> On Jan 3, 2022, at 8:59 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> You'd think they take an inventory once a month or so. I wonder how they 
>>> handle items that do not "scan" then?
>>>
 On Mon, Jan 3, 2022, at 6:17 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
 I had heard that home despot sold batteries. I had one die and was 
 going to be close to HD so I checked it out. They had a H8 on the 
 shelf for $129. Went to ring it up and it wouldn’t. They were very 
 confused and called manager. Battery is very dusty and sticker says 
 April 21 on it. So it’s been sitting 

Re: [MBZ] Home Despot batteries

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Back in a prior life I had a young troop that did not understand why the
Soviet Union was the way it was.  I asked if he was familiar with the Air
Force supply system;  he said yes and chuckled.  Then I told him to imagine
an entire country that "worked" that way.  He got it.

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Jim Cathey via Mercedes
Sent: Monday, January 3, 2022 9:41 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: Jim Cathey 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Home Despot batteries

Another victory for the wisdom of central planning!
("This time for sure...")

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] MB CDs

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

I have the 126 manuals in digital form.  
You can download (as a zip file) here: https://kioti.ddns.net/W126v1.2.zip
Download and expand into a folder and then use Main.html to access the
contents.

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Rick Knoble via Mercedes
Sent: Friday, December 31, 2021 11:30 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: Rick Knoble 
Subject: [MBZ] MB CDs


Done anyone have the R107, 116, and or 126 manuals on CD?

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Engine shake when frozen

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

I had some experience with Soviet military vehicles (like tanks) in a
previous life.  Creature comforts were  nil.  Engine systems (Diesel) were
interesting.  They had an oil heater (fuel fired, I think) and pump to
circulate heated oil through the engine before attempting to start.  The
batteries were massive but the primary start system was compressed air,
which recharged after the engine got going.  The design philosophy seemed to
be "throw-away",  maintainability was poor. Presumably these vehicles would
be replaced rather than repaired, just like entire combat units.

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Clay via Mercedes
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2021 6:07 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: Clay 
Subject: [MBZ] Engine shake when frozen

Russia, of course.  Fellow does follow up on a previous video of the impact
on engine oil while attempting to light off a Lada(?) at -30C.  A very good
example of why using a block heater is smart.

https://youtu.be/fNzSQxd4mzU 

Clear oil pan and valve cover.  GWN has been sitting at -12C to -21C the
past seven weeks.  Lots of cars sitting out not hooked to power.  


clay 

I have no pronouns please do not refer to me.



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Re: [MBZ] I purchased it as a graduation gift for my son he does not like it. Asking 5000.00 or Best offer for a 2002 S430 Benz

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Keep the car.  Lose the kid.

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2021 10:03 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: Floyd Thursby 
Subject: [MBZ] I purchased it as a graduation gift for my son he does not
like it. Asking 5000.00 or Best offer for a 2002 S430 Benz

Prefect car for date night or graduation gift (except for my son).

https://columbia.craigslist.org/cto/d/columbia-like-new-2002-benz/7421764099
.html

-- 
--FT


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Re: [MBZ] OT mouse capital punishment

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Thanks.

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes On Behalf Of dan penoff.com via Mercedes
Sent: Sunday, December 5, 2021 10:43 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: dan penoff.com 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT mouse capital punishment

Worked fine for me.

You just take the cover off and the little "cap" that closes off the vent lifts 
off. I've had them on short runs where the dryer was on the exterior wall and 
one that was proabbly six feet long with the dryer on an interior wall. They 
are really great in cold climates because they seal off the duct quite well. No 
leakage of outside air into the house.

-D

From: Mercedes  on behalf of Scott Ritchey via 
Mercedes 
Sent: Sunday, December 5, 2021 10:36 AM
To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' 
Cc: Scott Ritchey 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT mouse capital punishment

How does that work for lint cleaning?  I have a 20 ft of metal duct from the 
dryer to the outside and run a Lint Eater through it  periodically.

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes On Behalf Of dan penoff.com via Mercedes
Sent: Sunday, December 5, 2021 9:27 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: dan penoff.com 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT mouse capital punishment

For what it’s worth, when I lived north of the Mason-Dixon Line I used a dryer 
vent that was made of plastic and shaped like a 90 degree elbow facing up with 
a cap of sorts that was lifted off by the pressure of the dryer blower.

Like one of these: 
https://www.amazon.com/HEARTLAND-21000-Energy-Saving-Closure/dp/B9W3I4/ref=asc_df_B9W3I4/?tag=hyprod-20=df0=198100801330==g=2680509929569257030t===9030291=pla-318599266990=1

They’re durable, can be painted to match the exterior of the house, and 
securely seal the opening. Very important when you’ve got ambients well below 
zero - one of those little metal flaps just doesn’t do the job.

-D

Sent from my iPad

On Dec 4, 2021, at 8:23 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes  
wrote:

Maybe but it's a short tube. The dryer is against an outside wall so it vents 
straight out the back and through the wall.

Incidentally the noise from the fridge was getting worse, so I took the back 
panel off and it was pretty clearly the condensor fan that was making the 
noise. I removed the assembly holding the fan (one screw secures it). The thing 
is definitely built down to a price but at the same time it's very easy to get 
it out and replace it if it comes to that. I was able to get at the motor 
bearings and put a few drops of my favorite Lubriplate oil on them, then 
cleaned all the dust and grime off the fan blades. It's running silently for 
now, we'll see how long it lasts.

Allan

On Sat, Dec 4, 2021, at 7:31 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:
I would suspect that your dryer vent tube might be perforated.

On Sat, Dec 4, 2021 at 5:52 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes < 
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

May have figured out where the little f---ers are getting in. The dryer vent is 
missing one of the flaps that are supposed to close when the dryer isn't 
running. It's only a few inches above ground level. And I have caught several 
of them in traps set the laundry room.

I picked up a new vent at Lowes, will install it tomorrow.


On Thu, Dec 2, 2021, at 1:50 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:

Our house up north has terrible mouse issues, it's got a million little holes I 
need to fix, replacing the enclosed porch floor being job 1 next year.

For this year I put a package of "Grandpa Gus" anti-mouse stuff in there. Each 
pouch is supposed to protect 50 square feet. The house got 9 pouches and I put 
one in the garage on the Farmall Super M. Dang mice ate the seat cover this 
year. Didn't bother it for 20 years and then this year they just gotta eat it...

The grooming machines get pieces of cloth soaked in peppermint oil. It doesn't 
100% repel them but helps a ton. We used to have terrible trouble with mice, 
now they're just an annoyance, a few poops here and there but no nests.

-Curt

On Thursday, December 2, 2021, 12:31:11 PM EST, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
 wrote:


Living in the country I fight an endless battle against mice invading the 
house. I am not sure where they get in but there must be an opening somewhere 
that I haven't discovered. I heard one the other night and set some traps, but 
caught nothing.

Today the refrigerator was making a noise so I pulled it out to investigate. 
Seems like the condensor fan motor might have a bad bearing or at least a 
vibration. A couple of years ago we painted the kitchen, and I had come up one 
outlet cover short when it came to putting them all back on. So, I left the 
cover off the outlet behind the fridge, intending to pick up a new one, but 
then forgot about it.

Hanging out of the outlet box was the mouse. Must have climbed the refrigerator 
power cord and stuck his head into the box, contacted the hot terminal, and 
zappo. Didn't trip the breaker though, as the fridge is still running. Wasn't 
sure o

Re: [MBZ] OT mouse capital punishment

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Thanks.

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes On Behalf Of dan penoff.com via Mercedes
Sent: Sunday, December 5, 2021 10:43 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: dan penoff.com 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT mouse capital punishment

Worked fine for me.

You just take the cover off and the little "cap" that closes off the vent lifts 
off. I've had them on short runs where the dryer was on the exterior wall and 
one that was proabbly six feet long with the dryer on an interior wall. They 
are really great in cold climates because they seal off the duct quite well. No 
leakage of outside air into the house.

-D

From: Mercedes  on behalf of Scott Ritchey via 
Mercedes 
Sent: Sunday, December 5, 2021 10:36 AM
To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' 
Cc: Scott Ritchey 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT mouse capital punishment

How does that work for lint cleaning?  I have a 20 ft of metal duct from the 
dryer to the outside and run a Lint Eater through it  periodically.

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes On Behalf Of dan penoff.com via Mercedes
Sent: Sunday, December 5, 2021 9:27 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: dan penoff.com 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT mouse capital punishment

For what it’s worth, when I lived north of the Mason-Dixon Line I used a dryer 
vent that was made of plastic and shaped like a 90 degree elbow facing up with 
a cap of sorts that was lifted off by the pressure of the dryer blower.

Like one of these: 
https://www.amazon.com/HEARTLAND-21000-Energy-Saving-Closure/dp/B9W3I4/ref=asc_df_B9W3I4/?tag=hyprod-20=df0=198100801330==g=2680509929569257030t===9030291=pla-318599266990=1

They’re durable, can be painted to match the exterior of the house, and 
securely seal the opening. Very important when you’ve got ambients well below 
zero - one of those little metal flaps just doesn’t do the job.

-D

Sent from my iPad

On Dec 4, 2021, at 8:23 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes  
wrote:

Maybe but it's a short tube. The dryer is against an outside wall so it vents 
straight out the back and through the wall.

Incidentally the noise from the fridge was getting worse, so I took the back 
panel off and it was pretty clearly the condensor fan that was making the 
noise. I removed the assembly holding the fan (one screw secures it). The thing 
is definitely built down to a price but at the same time it's very easy to get 
it out and replace it if it comes to that. I was able to get at the motor 
bearings and put a few drops of my favorite Lubriplate oil on them, then 
cleaned all the dust and grime off the fan blades. It's running silently for 
now, we'll see how long it lasts.

Allan

On Sat, Dec 4, 2021, at 7:31 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:
I would suspect that your dryer vent tube might be perforated.

On Sat, Dec 4, 2021 at 5:52 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes < 
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

May have figured out where the little f---ers are getting in. The dryer vent is 
missing one of the flaps that are supposed to close when the dryer isn't 
running. It's only a few inches above ground level. And I have caught several 
of them in traps set the laundry room.

I picked up a new vent at Lowes, will install it tomorrow.


On Thu, Dec 2, 2021, at 1:50 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:

Our house up north has terrible mouse issues, it's got a million little holes I 
need to fix, replacing the enclosed porch floor being job 1 next year.

For this year I put a package of "Grandpa Gus" anti-mouse stuff in there. Each 
pouch is supposed to protect 50 square feet. The house got 9 pouches and I put 
one in the garage on the Farmall Super M. Dang mice ate the seat cover this 
year. Didn't bother it for 20 years and then this year they just gotta eat it...

The grooming machines get pieces of cloth soaked in peppermint oil. It doesn't 
100% repel them but helps a ton. We used to have terrible trouble with mice, 
now they're just an annoyance, a few poops here and there but no nests.

-Curt

On Thursday, December 2, 2021, 12:31:11 PM EST, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
 wrote:


Living in the country I fight an endless battle against mice invading the 
house. I am not sure where they get in but there must be an opening somewhere 
that I haven't discovered. I heard one the other night and set some traps, but 
caught nothing.

Today the refrigerator was making a noise so I pulled it out to investigate. 
Seems like the condensor fan motor might have a bad bearing or at least a 
vibration. A couple of years ago we painted the kitchen, and I had come up one 
outlet cover short when it came to putting them all back on. So, I left the 
cover off the outlet behind the fridge, intending to pick up a new one, but 
then forgot about it.

Hanging out of the outlet box was the mouse. Must have climbed the refrigerator 
power cord and stuck his head into the box, contacted the hot terminal, and 
zappo. Didn't trip the breaker though, as the fridge is still running. Wasn't 
sure o

Re: [MBZ] KC135 Trivia Was RE: OT - Reboot Your Aircraft

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

To visualize Dutch Roll, visualize driving your MBZ inside a big pipe,
straight and level along the bottom..  Now push the steering wheel a little
left (or right) and let go.  The car will climb the left side (or right) of
the pipe (experiencing yaw roll angle) until the car steers itself back to
the bottom of the pipe.  At this point, one of two things happen:  either
the oscillation damps out (each excursion smaller than one before) and the
car converges on straight and lever (preferred result) or it shoots up the
other side even more than before (divergent oscillation) so oscillation
grows and continues.

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Allan Streib via Mercedes
Sent: Sunday, December 5, 2021 1:33 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: Allan Streib 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] KC135 Trivia Was RE: OT - Reboot Your Aircraft

I have only been close to getting airsick once, I was on some regional jet
probably an Embraer, that seemed to be both yawing and rocking side-to-side
at the same time (is this "dutch roll"?). It was slight, but persistent, and
eventually I started feeling nauseated. Normal turbulence/rough air does not
really bother me, but that smooth rocking yaw really started to get to me
after a while.

On Sun, Dec 5, 2021, at 1:13 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes wrote:
> P3 Orion is the military version of the Lockheed Electra II, and the
> C-130 Hercules is the high wing version (different fuselage, 
> essentially the same wing).
>
> It was designed as the "first class service" airplane when jets were 
> not reliable enough for passenger plane use, I think around 1952.  I 
> think the Hercules went into service in 54, but I would be wrong.
>
> As a result of the expected competition for jet service, the Electra 
> was VERY powerful for the time, I think those turbo-props are 4000 shp 
> or so.  It flew at 470 or 480 mph at 45,000 ft, although usual 
> operations were more like 20,000 I think due to fuel consumption.  Not 
> a whole lot slower than the 707 or DC-8, neither of which were speed 
> demons.
>
> NOT the worlds most comfortable planes, they shook like hell and the 
> wings visibly "flapped" in flight, especially at low speed.  Delta had 
> their first class cabin in the rear, it was the quietest part of the 
> plane.  Only airplane I ever got close to getting airsick on.
>
> On the other hand, as CR Smith, the founder of American said, you had 
> to be an idiot to crash one.  Barring mechancial failures, all you 
> ever had to do to get out of trouble was open the throttles and pull 
> up, it had tremendous power at low speeds due to the props.  It is 
> possible to make a normal landing in one a full landing weight, then 
> open the throttles after touchdown and fly it off the runway.
>
> I suspect you could fly it almost like a Hercules in an emergency -- 
> hold the nose down on the runway just past V2 and pull back on the 
> stick -- the Herkybird will climb at 45 degrees at full take-off 
> weight doing that, probably need a shallower climb to keep from 
> slamming the tail on the runway on an Electra.
>
> P3s have some incredible on station air time, they are very fuel 
> efficient at submarine tracking speeds.
>
> Being replaced with 737 variants, I suspect mainly because the are all 
> getting very old with incredible hours on them and no new parts, the 
> Electra went out of service in the early 70s and I don't think 
> Lockheed made any past the late 60s/
>
> On Dec 5, 2021, at 11:25 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> I got to ride on a P3 once in college.  A buddy of mine was in ROTC and
there some sort of recruiting thing where the Navy was giving rides on a P3
so he signed us up.  The pilots were a coupla hotshots, and we were the only
others on board, so they put on a show for us.  It was lots of fun, the
airplane was very powerful and could do a lot.  My buddy eventually became a
fighter pilot and I lost track of him after a few years.
>> 
>> --FT
>> 
>> On 12/5/21 12:05 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
 AFAIK only the B52 is the only older (1952) design still on duty.
>>> The P3 Orion is based on the Lockheed L-188 Electra, I think they are
still on duty? I don't know if that's older than the 707 but gotta be close.
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Home HVAC question

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

I'd check the other end of the thermostat cable where it attaches to the
control board in the furnace.  I did recently encounter a case with a high
efficiency (condensing) gas furnace where a pressure sensor was out of
tolerance; that fan would not run, even jumping red-green at the control
board, but that furnace would not heat either.  These new furnaces have a
more complex start sequence and a fault can lock out the fan.  There is
probably a diagnostic light on the control board that might indicate a fault
but that's not 100% either (the diagnostics failed too on my furnace with
the bad sensor).  In any case, recommend you find/download the installation
manual if you don't have it.

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Allan Streib via Mercedes
Sent: Sunday, December 5, 2021 11:56 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: Allan Streib 
Subject: [MBZ] OT: Home HVAC question

Anyone know much about thermostat wiring?

I got a new furnace last winter. Gas heat, with central AC. Heat and AC work
fine. I wanted to use the "FAN" mode the other day and it does not work.
There is a switch marked FAN / AUTO and with FAN selected the blower fan is
supposed to be running but it does not. In AUTO mode everything works as it
should.n

Installer is a friend and he talked me through some troubleshooting via text
messages. Wires appear to be properly connected at thermostat and furnace. I
have 24VAC at the red wire. Green wire is supposed to bring the fan on.
Tried jumping Red to Green at the thermostat and nothing happens.
Discontinuity in the Green wire? But FAN mode worked on the old
furnace/thermostat.

Other ideas?

Allan
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Re: [MBZ] KC135 Trivia Was RE: OT - Reboot Your Aircraft

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

My personal experience with the KC135 ended in 1982.  At that time they all 
still had the original engines.  
Dutch roll damping was terrible at approach speeds and there was no yaw damper 
(unlike 707s) but you could use the autopilot yaw channel momentarily to kill 
the roll oscillation (not the flight manual procedure).  Dutch Roll is a 
coupling between yaw and roll, common with swept wings, for those that don't 
know.  
The most amazing thing was the crew emergency egress chute in the cockpit.  
There was a "chinning bar" that when pulled down jettisoned a hatch.  You were 
supposed to hang from that bar facing aft with your legs tucked up and drop 
through the hatch (with parachute on, of course).  The theory was that tucking 
knees to chest would prevent you from smacking into the chute when the 
slipstream hit your legs. I am not aware of any bailout attempts, successful or 
otherwise.  Still an amazing airplane when you consider when the KC was 
designed.  AFAIK only the B52 is the only older (1952) design still on duty.

On December 5, 2021 9:16 AM, Peter Frederick wrote

I thought they had finally replaced the engines, long, long overdue.

Should make them much easier to fly a low speed, the original 707/KC135 was a 
handful with poor lateral stability and VERY low power at landing speeds.  

BOAC rejected the first version because it would not fly without full power on 
at least one engine on each side -- considering the history of jet engines at 
the time, and the fact that there was an extra hard point to carry a spare 
engine on each wing, it wasn't out of the realm of real possibility to have 
both fail on one side during flight.  Turns out even the J57 or equivalent was 
a very reliable engine

BOAC took them after a large ventral fin was added to the tail underneath and 
the rudder made substantially larger.  I don't know if those mods were made to 
the KC135.  Very soon after than they all got P$W turbofans too, which helped 
at low speed.

J57 equipped KC135 or original 707 at full up weight required a 15,000 ft 
runway and water injection.  Upgrading the engines would definitely reduce the 
takeoff run, probably by a lot.  I wouldn't see that as a problem


On Dec 5, 2021, at 12:01 AM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote:

> No longer a factor.  All surviving KC135s are reengined from the old J57 
> turbojet to more modern fan engines with twice the thrust and 25-40% better 
> fuel specifics.  
> A classmate (with much KC time) once opined the better engines would only 
> force them to take off with more fuel from shorter runways.  Back in the J57 
> days it was typical to offload fuel before take off on hot days (while 
> taxiing to the runway).  
> The basic KC EWO mission was to proceed to the assigned orbit and pass gas 
> until they themselves flamed out or were recalled. 
> With care, the KC boom could tow an unpowered fighter, done several times in 
> SEA.
> 
> On\, December 4, 2021 6:59 PM, Peter Frederick wrote
> 
> Good thing my high end hearing isn't good anyway then!  Turbojets scream 
> something aweful!  
> 
> On Dec 4, 2021, at 5:52 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote:
> 
>> You ain't heard nuthin 'til you are in the back of a KC135 during a wet 
>> (J57) takeoff.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Peter Frederick via Mercedes
>> Sent: Saturday, December 4, 2021 6:37 PM
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>> Cc: Peter Frederick 
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Reboot Your Aircraft
>> 
>> All the low bypass turbojets are noisy.  I flew in a British one once, don't 
>> remember what it was, but it had two Rolls Conways in the back.  Very noisy 
>> engines.
>> 
>> On Dec 4, 2021, at 5:17 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>> 
>>> When the family first started with Ambassadair, they were still flying 
>>> 707s. I flew them a couple times. Noisy as heck as I recall.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
>>>> On Dec 4, 2021, at 4:13 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> The L-1011 was probably the best of that generation,  sadly it never sold 
>>>> as well as the DC-10, which was NOT the best of that generation. 
>>>> 
>>>> Beautiful aircraft, and I've heard it was nice to fly as well.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Dec 4, 2021, at 4:54 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I flew on N194AT and N163AT frequently in the early half of the 1980s as 
>>>>> a member of a “Ambassadair”, later known as “ATA” when it was a private 
>>>>> travel club. One was a -100 variant, the other a -500 model. Both of 
>>>>> these were used for international and

Re: [MBZ] OT mouse capital punishment

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

How does that work for lint cleaning?  I have a 20 ft of metal duct from the 
dryer to the outside and run a Lint Eater through it  periodically.  

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes On Behalf Of dan penoff.com via Mercedes
Sent: Sunday, December 5, 2021 9:27 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: dan penoff.com 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT mouse capital punishment

For what it’s worth, when I lived north of the Mason-Dixon Line I used a dryer 
vent that was made of plastic and shaped like a 90 degree elbow facing up with 
a cap of sorts that was lifted off by the pressure of the dryer blower.

Like one of these: 
https://www.amazon.com/HEARTLAND-21000-Energy-Saving-Closure/dp/B9W3I4/ref=asc_df_B9W3I4/?tag=hyprod-20=df0=198100801330==g=2680509929569257030t===9030291=pla-318599266990=1

They’re durable, can be painted to match the exterior of the house, and 
securely seal the opening. Very important when you’ve got ambients well below 
zero - one of those little metal flaps just doesn’t do the job.

-D

Sent from my iPad

On Dec 4, 2021, at 8:23 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes  
wrote:

Maybe but it's a short tube. The dryer is against an outside wall so it vents 
straight out the back and through the wall.

Incidentally the noise from the fridge was getting worse, so I took the back 
panel off and it was pretty clearly the condensor fan that was making the 
noise. I removed the assembly holding the fan (one screw secures it). The thing 
is definitely built down to a price but at the same time it's very easy to get 
it out and replace it if it comes to that. I was able to get at the motor 
bearings and put a few drops of my favorite Lubriplate oil on them, then 
cleaned all the dust and grime off the fan blades. It's running silently for 
now, we'll see how long it lasts.

Allan

On Sat, Dec 4, 2021, at 7:31 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:
I would suspect that your dryer vent tube might be perforated.

On Sat, Dec 4, 2021 at 5:52 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes < 
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

May have figured out where the little f---ers are getting in. The dryer vent is 
missing one of the flaps that are supposed to close when the dryer isn't 
running. It's only a few inches above ground level. And I have caught several 
of them in traps set the laundry room.

I picked up a new vent at Lowes, will install it tomorrow.


On Thu, Dec 2, 2021, at 1:50 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:

Our house up north has terrible mouse issues, it's got a million little holes I 
need to fix, replacing the enclosed porch floor being job 1 next year.

For this year I put a package of "Grandpa Gus" anti-mouse stuff in there. Each 
pouch is supposed to protect 50 square feet. The house got 9 pouches and I put 
one in the garage on the Farmall Super M. Dang mice ate the seat cover this 
year. Didn't bother it for 20 years and then this year they just gotta eat it...

The grooming machines get pieces of cloth soaked in peppermint oil. It doesn't 
100% repel them but helps a ton. We used to have terrible trouble with mice, 
now they're just an annoyance, a few poops here and there but no nests.

-Curt

On Thursday, December 2, 2021, 12:31:11 PM EST, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
 wrote:


Living in the country I fight an endless battle against mice invading the 
house. I am not sure where they get in but there must be an opening somewhere 
that I haven't discovered. I heard one the other night and set some traps, but 
caught nothing.

Today the refrigerator was making a noise so I pulled it out to investigate. 
Seems like the condensor fan motor might have a bad bearing or at least a 
vibration. A couple of years ago we painted the kitchen, and I had come up one 
outlet cover short when it came to putting them all back on. So, I left the 
cover off the outlet behind the fridge, intending to pick up a new one, but 
then forgot about it.

Hanging out of the outlet box was the mouse. Must have climbed the refrigerator 
power cord and stuck his head into the box, contacted the hot terminal, and 
zappo. Didn't trip the breaker though, as the fridge is still running. Wasn't 
sure of the shock risk so pulled the corpse out with electrician's pliers. I 
then gave it the usual final rites (threw it into the woods).

Who knows how long it would have been hanging there if the fridge hadn't 
started getting noisy.

Allan


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Re: [MBZ] OT - Reboot Your Aircraft

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Actually, the 707 was a more modern design based on the 135.

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes On Behalf Of OK Don via Mercedes
Sent: Saturday, December 4, 2021 7:39 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: OK Don 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Reboot Your Aircraft

KC-135 and E3 AWACS fly over/near our house all the time - both based on the 
707. We can easily distinguish them from the other jets out of Tinker AFB - the 
maintenance hub for these.

On Sat, Dec 4, 2021 at 5:18 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes < 
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> When the family first started with Ambassadair, they were still flying 
> 707s. I flew them a couple times. Noisy as heck as I recall.
>
> -D
>
> > On Dec 4, 2021, at 4:13 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > The L-1011 was probably the best of that generation,  sadly it 
> > never
> sold as well as the DC-10, which was NOT the best of that generation.
> >
> > Beautiful aircraft, and I've heard it was nice to fly as well.
> >
> >
> >> On Dec 4, 2021, at 4:54 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> >>
> >> I flew on N194AT and N163AT frequently in the early half of the 
> >> 1980s
> as a member of a “Ambassadair”, later known as “ATA” when it was a 
> private travel club. One was a -100 variant, the other a -500 model. 
> Both of these were used for international and long-haul domestic 
> flights as well as charters. There was a third L-1011 in their fleet 
> but I don’t have pictures of it. I think it was destroyed in a ground fire in 
> the late 80s.
> >>
> >> My Mom did many, many hours in these as she traveled extensively 
> >> with
> them overseas. They had at least one DC-10 I know she flew in with 
> them as well, they might have had more, I don’t recall.
> >>
> >> They were wonderful aircraft, and really impressive when you were
> standing next to them out on the tarmac.
> >>
> >> -D
> >>
>  On Dec 4, 2021, at 1:33 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> L-1011 was the first "big" jet I ever flew in. Boston to Bermuda.
> Would have been '87 or so. We took a 727 Portland to Boston...
> >>>
> >>> Curt
> >>>
> >>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> >>>
> >>> On Sat, Dec 4, 2021 at 2:37 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes<
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:   L-1011 was very advanced for its time. I
> believe it was the first commercial airliner with auto-land. If the 
> engines hadn't been sole-sourced wirh Rolls Royce they might have been 
> more commercially viable.
> >>>
> >>> Sort of wish Lockheed had stayed in the commercial market but the
> L-1011 was their swan song.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
>  On Sat, Dec 4, 2021, at 2:31 PM, M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes
> wrote:
>  Say what you will about the L-1011 or DC-10, you never got the BSOD.
> 
>  Flaming ACTUAL death on a DC-10, occasionally, yes, but that's 
>  part
> of the
>  fun.  :D
> 
>  My first attempt to ride an Airbus was in the early 80s; it 
>  BSODed
> and we
>  hadda switch to a DC-10.  Very comfy ride.
> 
>  -MMM-
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[MBZ] KC135 Trivia Was RE: OT - Reboot Your Aircraft

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

No longer a factor.  All surviving KC135s are reengined from the old J57 
turbojet to more modern fan engines with twice the thrust and 25-40% better 
fuel specifics.  
A classmate (with much KC time) once opined the better engines would only force 
them to take off with more fuel from shorter runways.  Back in the J57 days it 
was typical to offload fuel before take off on hot days (while taxiing to the 
runway).  
The basic KC EWO mission was to proceed to the assigned orbit and pass gas 
until they themselves flamed out or were recalled. 
With care, the KC boom could tow an unpowered fighter, done several times in 
SEA.

On\, December 4, 2021 6:59 PM, Peter Frederick wrote

Good thing my high end hearing isn't good anyway then!  Turbojets scream 
something aweful!  

On Dec 4, 2021, at 5:52 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote:

> You ain't heard nuthin 'til you are in the back of a KC135 during a wet (J57) 
> takeoff.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Peter Frederick via Mercedes
> Sent: Saturday, December 4, 2021 6:37 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: Peter Frederick 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Reboot Your Aircraft
> 
> All the low bypass turbojets are noisy.  I flew in a British one once, don't 
> remember what it was, but it had two Rolls Conways in the back.  Very noisy 
> engines.
> 
> On Dec 4, 2021, at 5:17 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> 
>> When the family first started with Ambassadair, they were still flying 707s. 
>> I flew them a couple times. Noisy as heck as I recall.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Dec 4, 2021, at 4:13 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> The L-1011 was probably the best of that generation,  sadly it never sold 
>>> as well as the DC-10, which was NOT the best of that generation. 
>>> 
>>> Beautiful aircraft, and I've heard it was nice to fly as well.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Dec 4, 2021, at 4:54 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I flew on N194AT and N163AT frequently in the early half of the 1980s as a 
>>>> member of a “Ambassadair”, later known as “ATA” when it was a private 
>>>> travel club. One was a -100 variant, the other a -500 model. Both of these 
>>>> were used for international and long-haul domestic flights as well as 
>>>> charters. There was a third L-1011 in their fleet but I don’t have 
>>>> pictures of it. I think it was destroyed in a ground fire in the late 80s.
>>>> 
>>>> My Mom did many, many hours in these as she traveled extensively with them 
>>>> overseas. They had at least one DC-10 I know she flew in with them as 
>>>> well, they might have had more, I don’t recall.
>>>> 
>>>> They were wonderful aircraft, and really impressive when you were standing 
>>>> next to them out on the tarmac.
>>>> 
>>>> -D
>>>> 
>>>>>> On Dec 4, 2021, at 1:33 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> L-1011 was the first "big" jet I ever flew in. Boston to Bermuda. Would 
>>>>> have been '87 or so. We took a 727 Portland to Boston...
>>>>> 
>>>>> Curt
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Sat, Dec 4, 2021 at 2:37 PM, Allan Streib via 
>>>>> Mercedes wrote:   L-1011 was very advanced for its 
>>>>> time. I believe it was the first commercial airliner with auto-land. If 
>>>>> the engines hadn't been sole-sourced wirh Rolls Royce they might have 
>>>>> been more commercially viable.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sort of wish Lockheed had stayed in the commercial market but the L-1011 
>>>>> was their swan song.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Sat, Dec 4, 2021, at 2:31 PM, M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes wrote:
>>>>>> Say what you will about the L-1011 or DC-10, you never got the BSOD.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Flaming ACTUAL death on a DC-10, occasionally, yes, but that's 
>>>>>> part of the fun.  :D
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> My first attempt to ride an Airbus was in the early 80s; it 
>>>>>> BSODed and we hadda switch to a DC-10.  Very comfy ride.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -MMM-
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Reboot Your Aircraft

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

You ain't heard nuthin 'til you are in the back of a KC135 during a wet (J57) 
takeoff.

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Peter Frederick via Mercedes
Sent: Saturday, December 4, 2021 6:37 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: Peter Frederick 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Reboot Your Aircraft

All the low bypass turbojets are noisy.  I flew in a British one once, don't 
remember what it was, but it had two Rolls Conways in the back.  Very noisy 
engines.

On Dec 4, 2021, at 5:17 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:

> When the family first started with Ambassadair, they were still flying 707s. 
> I flew them a couple times. Noisy as heck as I recall.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Dec 4, 2021, at 4:13 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> The L-1011 was probably the best of that generation,  sadly it never sold 
>> as well as the DC-10, which was NOT the best of that generation. 
>> 
>> Beautiful aircraft, and I've heard it was nice to fly as well.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 4, 2021, at 4:54 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>>> 
>>> I flew on N194AT and N163AT frequently in the early half of the 1980s as a 
>>> member of a “Ambassadair”, later known as “ATA” when it was a private 
>>> travel club. One was a -100 variant, the other a -500 model. Both of these 
>>> were used for international and long-haul domestic flights as well as 
>>> charters. There was a third L-1011 in their fleet but I don’t have pictures 
>>> of it. I think it was destroyed in a ground fire in the late 80s.
>>> 
>>> My Mom did many, many hours in these as she traveled extensively with them 
>>> overseas. They had at least one DC-10 I know she flew in with them as well, 
>>> they might have had more, I don’t recall.
>>> 
>>> They were wonderful aircraft, and really impressive when you were standing 
>>> next to them out on the tarmac.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
> On Dec 4, 2021, at 1:33 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
 
 L-1011 was the first "big" jet I ever flew in. Boston to Bermuda. Would 
 have been '87 or so. We took a 727 Portland to Boston...
 
 Curt
 
 Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
 
 On Sat, Dec 4, 2021 at 2:37 PM, Allan Streib via 
 Mercedes wrote:   L-1011 was very advanced for its 
 time. I believe it was the first commercial airliner with auto-land. If 
 the engines hadn't been sole-sourced wirh Rolls Royce they might have been 
 more commercially viable.
 
 Sort of wish Lockheed had stayed in the commercial market but the L-1011 
 was their swan song.
 
 
 
> On Sat, Dec 4, 2021, at 2:31 PM, M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes wrote:
> Say what you will about the L-1011 or DC-10, you never got the BSOD.
> 
> Flaming ACTUAL death on a DC-10, occasionally, yes, but that's 
> part of the fun.  :D
> 
> My first attempt to ride an Airbus was in the early 80s; it BSODed 
> and we hadda switch to a DC-10.  Very comfy ride.
> 
> -MMM-
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Working the system

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

That's for sure.  The (just finished) carport project involved 600 
self-drilling screws.  Possible with a drill but only with considerable 
pressure.  Stepson's Makita drill-driver was the cat's meow for these.

-Original Message-
From: Of Curt Raymond 
Sent: Thursday, December 2, 2021 1:47 PM


 The small impact is wy better for driving screws than a drill, especially 
for Phillips head.I use mine a lot for light mechanicing too. Especially 
switching Dad's lawn tractor from mower to snowblower. It's got a spring assist 
on the lift and dialing the tension on the spring takes forever with a wrench, 
it's easy peasy with that little impact.
-Curt

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Re: [MBZ] How to remove the drain plug without losing oil.

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

As I recall, you anneal copper by quenching it in liquid, not cool slowly 
(opposite of steel).

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Allan Streib via Mercedes
Sent: Thursday, December 2, 2021 10:05 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: Allan Streib 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] How to remove the drain plug without losing oil.

Same. I would have expected it to suck air through the drain hole and start 
dripping oil as soon as the vacuum dropped.

Also have heard that you can renew a crush washer by heating it with a 
blowtorch and letting it cool slowly.

Allan

On Thu, Dec 2, 2021, at 10:01 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> Wow never thought of that 
>
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Re: [MBZ] Lift wiring

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

I probably don't understand the setup but Randy is correct in stating the 
breaker rating should not exceed the amp capacity of the wires.  In the US 
that's 15 amp-14 AWG, 20 amp-12 AWG, 30 amp-10 AWG, and 40 amp-8 AWG, and 55 
amp-6 AWG for normal copper NM cable.

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Randy Bennell via Mercedes
Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2021 8:00 PM
To: Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
Cc: Randy Bennell 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Lift wiring

I am not an electrician but I don't think you should have the lift wiring on a 
50 amp circuit. The whole point of wire sizing and breaker sizing is to protect 
the circuit. If it is overloaded, it is supposed to switch itself off.

On 11/28/2021 3:22 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> Just finished up the wiring for both lifts. The alignment lift already has 
> the flex power cord type line. I think they call it SJ or something like 
> that. Decided to use that for the 2 post. Ran it up and over the rafters then 
> mounted a 60 amp disconnect on the wall in front of the lifts. Wired the 
> lifts to the breaker and 220 coming in from its distribution box. Not the 
> prettiest job but is safe and gets the job done. I will probably never need 
> to use that disconnect but it’s there just in case and provides a good way to 
> wire both together. In my situation I will never run both lifts at once so 
> can do a shared circuit. Really even with both running at once it would most 
> likely be fine as they require 20 amps and it’s on a 50 amp circuit. Or maybe 
> I will flip that disconnect off when the lifts are not in use as a safety 
> precaution.
>
> Next up is to fill op the hydraulic fluid and adjust the cables and it’s a 
> done deal. Will then get the alignment lift up and going as well. I may 
> finish this up today or might do it tomorrow.
>
>

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Re: [MBZ] OT: How long have you been here? Csn you remember?

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Probably since late 90s.  It was a Diesel list then and Dr Booth was
prolific.




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Re: [MBZ] Human Fly & DC-8

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Back in the late 70s we did experiments to assess an F-15 pilot's ability to 
function with the canopy gone (but windshield intact).  It was possible but 
brutal (seat full down, get as low as possible in cockpit, slow down).  I 
should remember but I don't recall the conclusion WRT F-16 which does not have 
an independent windshield (canopy is one piece).


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Re: [MBZ] Good or bad snake?

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Hard to be sure from photo but I'd guess garter snake 
https://herpsofnc.org/eastern-garter-snake/ or less common ribbon snake 
https://herpsofnc.org/eastern-ribbon-snake/ , both non toxic.  

The toxic snakes in the US are the coral snakes and vipers, which include 
cotton mouth, copper head, and several rattle snakes.  Several harmless snakes 
resemble the coral snake but corral snakes have the distinctive "red-on-yellow 
kill a fellow" color pattern.  The vipers have a wide head and (of course) 
rattlers rattle, usually.
https://wildlifeinformer.com/venomous-snakes-in-the-united-states/




-Original Message-
From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2021 9:38 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: Buggered Benzmail 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Good or bad snake?

Venomous 

--FT
Sent from iFōn

> On Nov 25, 2021, at 2:49 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Looks like a good snake to me.  There are very few poisonous snakes 
> in North America.
> 
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> Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2021 1:27 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List ; 
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> Subject: [MBZ] Good or bad snake?
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Good or bad snake?

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Looks like a good snake to me.  There are very few poisonous snakes in North
America.

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Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2021 1:27 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List ; okiet...@okiebenz.com
Cc: Kaleb Striplin 
Subject: [MBZ] Good or bad snake?




Sent from my iPhone


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Re: [MBZ] 300TD hatch struts

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

I have heard this before.  But the strut bolts on my 79 TD came out with an
ordinary (manual) socket set. Maybe I was just lucky (and much younger).

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes On Behalf Of David Bruckmann via Mercedes
Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2021 6:42 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion LIst 
Cc: David Bruckmann 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300TD hatch struts

As I recall, the factory used red loctite, which requires heat to
deactivate.
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Re: [MBZ] sudden total vacuum loss

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

What about brakes?  Did 116 have vacuum boost?  If so, brakes would be
critical, IMO, and the vacuum booster is a possible leak source.

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Allan Streib via Mercedes
Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 4:29 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: Allan Streib 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] sudden total vacuum loss

Yeah that's the plan. Want to get the engine stop working at least. The rest
is just convenience.

Allan

On Mon, Nov 15, 2021, at 4:04 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote:
> I don't know the W116 but diagnosing 123/126 model vacuum is not hard.  
> Miti Vac, golf tees, vacuum diagram, and a short piece of rubber hose 
> is all that's needed.  Access to all key junctions was under the 
> passenger floor mat.  But even before that, visually inspect the lines 
> in the engine compartment.  I had a possum that took shelter there 
> (W126) but disconnected several vacuum connections.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Allan Streib via Mercedes
> Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 2:21 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: Allan Streib 
> Subject: [MBZ] sudden total vacuum loss
> 
> Arrived at the dentist today for a tooth extraction, driving the W116
300SD.
> Had to pop the hood and use the stop lever to shut off the engine. 
> Door locks don't work either. Everything was fine the last time I 
> drove the car a few hours prior.
> 
> Probably not going to mess with it much today but guess I need to find 
> the mity-vac and see what's going on. The passenger door lock has been 
> misbehaving for a while (locks initially but will be unlocked later)  
> but so far that hasn't affected the engine stop.
> 
> Allan
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Re: [MBZ] sudden total vacuum loss

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

I don't know the W116 but diagnosing 123/126 model vacuum is not hard.  Miti
Vac, golf tees, vacuum diagram, and a short piece of rubber hose is all
that's needed.  Access to all key junctions was under the passenger floor
mat.  But even before that, visually inspect the lines in the engine
compartment.  I had a possum that took shelter there (W126) but disconnected
several vacuum connections. 

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Allan Streib via Mercedes
Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 2:21 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: Allan Streib 
Subject: [MBZ] sudden total vacuum loss

Arrived at the dentist today for a tooth extraction, driving the W116 300SD.
Had to pop the hood and use the stop lever to shut off the engine. Door
locks don't work either. Everything was fine the last time I drove the car a
few hours prior.

Probably not going to mess with it much today but guess I need to find the
mity-vac and see what's going on. The passenger door lock has been
misbehaving for a while (locks initially but will be unlocked later)  but so
far that hasn't affected the engine stop.

Allan
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Re: [MBZ] Dune

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

The thing about A,I at the current state of the art, is that it can track
the location, actions, transactions, and communications of every "citizen"
24/7 AND develop automated loyalty scores (supported by a detailed dossier).
Spying on everyone in a way that would take millions of Stasi in the old
days, but AI massively reduces  the cost and risk of human agents..


Frank Herbert was ahead of his time with that.

I'm not a "believer" in computers or AI -- which is really a fast computer
and an ever-growing lookup table programmed to pattern match.  No
intelligence implied or intended, and it can go VERY wrong.  Facial
recognition and self driving vehicles are a case in point.


On Nov 4, 2021, at 4:55 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote:

> Frankly, I found some of the Brian Herbert prequels (like House Atraides
and House Harkonen) more engaging but probably only because I had already
read the later books.
> 
> Interestingly ( considering current trends) the theme that runs throughout
all of the series is a prohibition against "thinking machines" (what we
would call AI).
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Clay via Mercedes
> Sent: Wednesday, November 3, 2021 4:23 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: Clay 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Dune
> 
> I found it only really begins to make sense after you get through God
Emperor, as that tome lays out all the missing background of how the worms
work.  Dune is pretty much a comment on Iran/Iraq and big oil from 1919-1965
and exploitation by the west.  The next books in the series delve into the
mystical nature, with God Emperor and the next two trying to tie it up in a
neat bow.  The Brian Herbert books REALLY delve into the nuts and bolt and
expand the universe filling in nooks and crannies you can only guess at
their import in his father's writing.
> 
> clay 
> 
> I have no pronouns please do not refer to me.
> 
> 
> 
>> On Nov 2, 2021, at 7:14 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes
 wrote:
>> 
>> I think I will have to read the book now. It seems intriguing.
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Re: [MBZ] Dune

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Frankly, I found some of the Brian Herbert prequels (like House Atraides and 
House Harkonen) more engaging but probably only because I had already read the 
later books.

Interestingly ( considering current trends) the theme that runs throughout all 
of the series is a prohibition against "thinking machines" (what we would call 
AI).

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Clay via Mercedes
Sent: Wednesday, November 3, 2021 4:23 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: Clay 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Dune

I found it only really begins to make sense after you get through God Emperor, 
as that tome lays out all the missing background of how the worms work.  Dune 
is pretty much a comment on Iran/Iraq and big oil from 1919-1965 and 
exploitation by the west.  The next books in the series delve into the mystical 
nature, with God Emperor and the next two trying to tie it up in a neat bow.  
The Brian Herbert books REALLY delve into the nuts and bolt and expand the 
universe filling in nooks and crannies you can only guess at their import in 
his father’s writing.

clay 

I have no pronouns please do not refer to me.



> On Nov 2, 2021, at 7:14 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I think I will have to read the book now. It seems intriguing.

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Re: [MBZ] Dune

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

The new Dune is just as long as the '84 version but ends about a third of the 
way through the story.  It looks like the first episode of a trilogy or 
mini-series but I see nothing online about follow-on episodes.

I found the book confusing when I first read it back in the '60s but the book 
has several appendices that explain things.  Several times I stopped reading 
the main story to read the relevant appendix.  I think Dune could be a good 
series (more than 3 episodes) but it is (IMO) foolhardy to try to tell the 
whole story in a movie.

There were several other sequel and prequel books based on Dune.  Some better 
than others.  The prequels explained how the Dune-era "world order" came to be. 

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2021 9:07 PM
To: Dan Penoff via Mercedes ; Floyd Thursby via Okietalk 

Cc: Kaleb Striplin 
Subject: [MBZ] Dune

I am currently watching this new Dune movie that I guess is a remake of the 
1984 Dune movie.  So far it is about a confusing and boring as the first Dune 
movie.  It has been decades since I have seen the original so maybe I need to 
try to watch it again for comparison.


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Re: [MBZ] 722.3 Auto Transmission Digital Manual

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

I can't attest to their quality but here are links to 722.3 and 722.6 manuals I 
happen to have:

https://kioti.ddns.net/722-3.zip

https://kioti.ddns.net/722-6.pdf

Scott

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2021 11:30 PM
To: i...@youroil.net; Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: Kaleb Striplin 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 722.3 Auto Transmission Digital Manual

I would be interested in that 

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> On Oct 27, 2021, at 9:50 PM, Larry Turner via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Gang,
> While browsing my files, I came across a digital copy of the 722.3 
> Transmission Manual.  If anyone wants a copy send me a note.
> 
> Also, I don't monitor this site very often anymore but I'd like to ask 
> list members if anyone has thoughts on what's going on with '06 E350AWD - 
> have been unable to get it to upshift from low into 2nd  I get a code of 
> P0715 which is a code for a speed sensor.  I replaced the conductor plate 
> with one from Amazon - someone on PelicanParts is saying the problem could be 
> that I need a MB Conductor Plate.  I am also getting contradictory comments 
> about the codes - some say I need to clear them other say the code will be 
> cleared when the problem is resolved.   Just to be safe, I cleared then and 
> took it for another test drive -and the problem is still there.
> 
> The car still fails to upshift.   BTW, I also replaced the shifter which 
> resolved some problems but not the upshifting.
> 
> Any ideas Gang?   I'd appreciate any and all suggestions!  I'm getting real 
> tired of seeing that paperweight taking up spa
> 
> TIA -
> LarryT
> 2006 E350AWD
> 1991 300D 2.5T (now in Curley's capable hands)  ;-)
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Re: [MBZ] W116 ignition tumbler and key

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

I never opened an ignition cylinder but I have been inside w126 door locks.
The sidewinder style does not use pin-style tumblers like a typical home
lock.  They use spring loaded split "wafers" that ride up and down the
profile cut into the sides of the key.  When everything is "right" with the
key inserted, all the wafers ends are flush with the diameter of the
cylinder, allowing it to turn.  I assume these split wafers come in standard
numbered sizes.  It appeared to me that sticking from dirt and grease as
well as wear would be the main  problem.  Also, the door locks were crimped
together making a really neat repair difficult.  On the other hand, bad
wafers could simply be removed if too worn and the lock would still work
(albeit less securte).

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes On Behalf Of David Bruckmann via Mercedes
Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2021 8:22 PM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Cc: David Bruckmann 
Subject: [MBZ] W116 ignition tumbler and key

Greetings,

In case it is helpful for others, I'd like to relate my recent journey in
attempting to avert ignition tumbler failure on my '79 W116.120 (300SD). All
of the information below was confirmed with Tom Hanson at the Classic
Centre.

Ignition tumblers coded to the vehicle are no longer available for W116
models. Fortunately, it is still possible to order a generic "service"
ignition tumbler with a key that is not coded to the vehicle. The "service"
tumbler may actually use a different style of key. My W116 has the so-called
"sidewinder" key, but Tom mentioned that the service tumblers probably use
the more conventional-style keys used in 107/114/115/123 models. And by the
way, ignition tumblers for 107, 108, 114 and 115 are also NLA, even as an
uncoded service part. Only the later 123 tumblers remain available.

I also ordered two replacement keys that ARE coded to the vehicle. These are
still available, but under A2017600306 versus the original A0007600406, a
fact that my local dealer was unable to determine.

My plan is to remove the existing ignition tumbler, replace with the service
tumbler, then dismantle the old part. Sounds like the failure is caused by
wear of the lock pins, which then protrude and cause the tumbler to lock in
the housing. So I will take a look for that and make adjustments before
cleaning, lubricating, and reassembling the tumbler.

If I'm REALLY lucky, Tom is wrong and the "service" tumbler also uses a
sidewinder key. In that case, I will try to find a competent locksmith who
can modify the coding of the generic tumbler to match the vehicle keying.

I posted on this (R107) thread:

https://www.benzworld.org/threads/apparently-mb-no-longer-makes-the-ignition
-tumblers-for-our-cars-so.2067042/page-4

where there's a useful link to
https://www.coolcatcorp.com/Mercedes/Lock190.html and this thread
https://forum.w116.org/mechanicals/modifying-w123-lock-cylinder-to-fit-w116/
which give you an idea of the internal construction of the tumbler.

Anyway, I'll keep you all posted as things progress. If anyone knows of a
competent automotive locksmith near San Francisco, please let me know!

D.

-- 
David Bruckmann, Temescal/Oakland, CA
Current Reality:
1966 Citroen DS21M Pallas "Celeste"
1972 Mercedes-Benz 280SEL 4.5 (160,000 km) "Blauer Engel"
1973 Mercedes-Benz 450SLC (210,000 km) "Lottie"
1976 Citroen 2CV6 (150,000 km) "Piaf"
1976 Mercedes-Benz 300D/8 (325,000 km) "Willow"
1979 Mercedes-Benz 300SD (270,000 km) "Tina"
Shady Past:
1970 Citroen DS21 Pallas (170,000 km) "Goettin"
1970 Mercedes-Benz 220/8 (250,000 km) "Blanche"
1971 Citroen DS21 Pallas (137,000 km), 1972 Citroen DS21 Pallas (502,000 km)
1978 Mercedes-Benz 300D (1,200,000 km or thereabouts) "Sieglinde"
1979 Mercedes-Benz 300TD non-turbo (260,000 km)  "Diva"
1979 Mercedes-Benz 300D (425,000 km) "Liz"
1980 Citroen 2CV6 Charleston (120,000km), 1988 Merkur XR4Ti (209,000 km)
1981 Peugeot 505 GRD (350,000km), 1984 MB 300TD (385,000 km) "Gertraud"
1985 Toyota Camry (330,000 km) 1986 Renault 9 1.7L (155,000 km)
2002 VW Golf GLS TDI "The Hated Golf" (74,000 km)

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Re: [MBZ] OT water heaters

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

These tanks generally have two heater elements: upper and lower.  The lower 
element has a simple thermostat (disk type) that turns on and off near the set 
point, with some hysteresis. The upper thermostat is more complex; when off 
(water warm enough) it routes power to the lower thermostat.  When on (water at 
top too cool) power is removed from the lower element and the upper element is 
powered.  The thermostats can be replaced without removing the heater elements 
or braining the tank.

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2021 11:04 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: Kaleb Striplin 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT water heaters

Seems unlikely to me that the original one and a replacement one would fail 
that quick. Old water heater was there 15 years and never had a valve fail. I 
wonder if it’s not shutting off when it should and heats the water too hot.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 12, 2021, at 9:42 AM, Jim Cathey  wrote:
> 
> 
>> 
>> Makes me think something is actually wrong with the tank...
> 
> Makes me think something is wrong with the Chinese (?) factory that 
> made a whole bad batch of POS pressure valves...
> 
> -- Jim
> 


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Re: [MBZ] OT water heaters

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Also, if someone "tests" the P-T safety valve by manually "burping" it, there 
is a chance of suspended solids getting stuck on the valve's sealing surfaces 
(causing a dripping leak).
On the plus side, these valves are (relatively) cheap and easy to replace.

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From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2021 11:31 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: Kaleb Striplin 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT water heaters

From what was described to me it sounds like a steady stream, but not sure yet. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 12, 2021, at 10:22 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> IMO if the water is getting hot enough to open the relief valve the tenant 
> would notice it, being scalded in the shower or washing dishes.
> 
> Is it a slow trickle leak from the valve or is it periodically opening and 
> letting out a blast of hot water?
> 
> If a slow leak, might try operating the valve manually with the lever a few 
> times, if is a bit of debris from the manufacturing or installation that's 
> preventing it from sealing up properly that might flush it out.
> 
> 
> 
>> On Tue, Oct 12, 2021, at 11:04 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>> Seems unlikely to me that the original one and a replacement one would fail 
>> that quick. Old water heater was there 15 years and never had a valve fail. 
>> I wonder if it’s not shutting off when it should and heats the water too hot.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Oct 12, 2021, at 9:42 AM, Jim Cathey  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
 
 Makes me think something is actually wrong with the tank...
>>> 
>>> Makes me think something is wrong with the Chinese (?) factory that 
>>> made a whole bad batch of POS pressure valves...
>>> 
>>> -- Jim
>>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT water heaters

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Maybe one of the thermostats sticks?

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2021 9:24 PM
To: Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
Cc: Kaleb Striplin 
Subject: [MBZ] OT water heaters

At the rental, in 2019 we replaced the hot water tank with a unit from Lowes.  
After a few months the renter reported water leak, it was basically the 
pressure valve was open and venting.  Since it had been leaking we had to get a 
plumber out to replace the valve out of pocket rather than turning it in to 
warranty company.  Of course neither Lowes or the manufacturer wanted to take 
responsibility.  They said we could ship them the valve and they would 
determine if it was covered under warranty.  In other words, you are SOL.  This 
was earlier this year. Today, same damn problem.  Water tank is set on low, 
with the previous renter I think he may have had it turned up too high, but 
even on max I sure don't think it would cause an overpressure situation.  This 
time I am turning it into the warranty people.  What the heck could cause 2 
valves to fail?  I have never seen one fail before but I suppose it is 
possible.  Makes me think something is actually wrong with the tank causing it 
to overpressure, like maybe the heat is not shutting off like it should and it 
is running all the time.


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Re: [MBZ] How to jumpstart an Airbus, Jamaica edition.

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

If you mean Air France 477, my reading of the reports indicated a lack of 
airmanship experience and overreliance on automation.  The pilot in control did 
not seem to understand the flight conditions (deep stall) as he crashed into 
the Atlantic.   
So far, I think the US is blessed to have an abundance of former-military 
pilots competing for commercial jobs after retirement.  Not so much in other 
countries where it seems airlines attempt to train new pilots with little or no 
prior flying experience.

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
Sent: Saturday, October 2, 2021 11:37 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: Buggered Benzmail 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] How to jumpstart an Airbus, Jamaica edition.

Them frogbuses like to bore into the ocean too

--FT
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> On Oct 1, 2021, at 4:03 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yes, 2nd week of flying, same exact problem except this time it happens in 
> Jamaica (the island south of Cuba. Wtf American?
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: BUFF to get new Rolls Royce engines

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Even more amazing when you consider all the unusual features, like bicycle
landing gear, nose down takeoff attitude (no slats), lack of ailerons
(spoilers only), short tail (original "shark" tail torqued the fuselage),
downward-firing ejection seats, and so forth.

-Original Message-
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Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2021 1:26 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: Jim Cathey 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: BUFF to get new Rolls Royce engines

>
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/oldest-us-bomber-will-get-rolls-ro
yce-engines-over-ge-pratt/ar-AAON0js?li=BBnbfcL


It's really amazing that this plane now has a near-100-year planned service
life!
I would say that this is true of no other motorized vehicle on the planet.

-- Jim

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Re: [MBZ] How to jumpstart an Airbus?

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Some Korea-era jets could be jump-started using exhaust from a jet in front of 
you.  I think this lost favor with the bosses (but it was cool).
Most turbojets will air-start with enough airspeed to windmill the engine, 
often possible in level flight in a 2-engine jet.
High bypass turbofans require much higher airspeeds (like 300-400 KIAS) to 
achieve restart RPM in the core (dive, baby, dive).
Multi-engine transports can normally restart using bleed air from a good engine 
to spin up a dead one.
Some old-timers here will recall cartridge starts, very smoky.
Jets are not like piston engines.  If they reach the spec RPM and don't start 
there is probably something wrong (maybe the operator).


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Excitement

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

A standard QD should never let go until the release collar slides back.  I
use double-acting QDs on my tractor loader.  In this arrangement the
attaching bracket holds the release collar (and no other part of the
fitting) so pulling the hose will release it and I can also connect it with
one hand just by pushing the male end into the QD.  Not ideal in all
situations but useful if (for example) the grapple "falls off" the loader.

-Original Message-
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Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 4:52 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: Jim Cathey 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Excitement

> Strangely the quick disconnect didn't let go, an adapter going into the
valve block did.

They're really not supposed to open up, by any kind of accident.
Only something that destroys should do it.  Letting high-pressure oil loose
is a Bad Thing.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] OT for our printer expert -- What it's like to fix linotype, intertype, and other old presses

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

I don't want to prolong this thread but one more point deserves saying.

Guidance for an EMP weapon is not hard; a WWII V2 rocket could do the job.
Even primitive guidance technology that can't hit the broadside of the
proverbial barn door is good enough.  Any nuclear country that can reach
near orbit, even an unstable orbit, could build a devastating EMP weapon.
All semiconductors are vulnerable.  Semiconductors are more vulnerable if
powered. Recent types with very thin junctions are the most vulnerable.

Our 3-letter agencies know all this but claim white rage is the real
problem.  What liars.  If white rage was the problem it would be obvious
from the bodies.

-Original Message-
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Sent: Friday, September 17, 2021 10:50 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: Jim Cathey 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT for our printer expert -- What it's like to fix
linotype, intertype, and other old presses

> https://www.doh.wa.gov/portals/1/documents/pubs/320-090_elecpuls_fs.pd
> f

Somewhat refreshing.  A fairly concise and readable document on a gov site!
The high-altitude nuke EMP generator is probably so effective because the
gamma-induced source causes a blanket effect in the atmosphere, which means
that the effective source of the pulse is only a few miles away from
everything.  There goes your inverse-square-rule protection.

EMP hardening is just a scaled-up version of what we already do for EMI and
lightning protection.  For example, I lost one (of six) drivers on my
homebrew sprinkler controller when lightning struck somewhere nearby while
it was watering the lawn.  Only the channel that was 'on', though, suffered.
The drivers were semi-protected (from surges coming in the buried cable) by
neon bulbs intended to short out high-voltage transients, and the cable
being looped through a magnetic core on its way to the controller---this
intended to slow risetimes enough to be handled better by the neon.  I only
ever lost the one driver, in the 30-odd years that the system has been in
use.  (I have a tube of spare drivers, just in case.  The drivers are
socketed.)

My guess is that the neons (et al.) are doing their job, but while the
driver was conducting, voltages never got to the point where the neon could
conduct, and the induced voltage was high enough to induce enough current in
the active circuit to fry the small junction in the driver.  The driver was
the ONLY semiconductor in the entire sprinkler circuit loop, the power
supply is just an AC transformer.  (Had it been a switcher, I'd probably
have lost it too.)  I probably need series inductors on the driver lines, to
keep transients out until the neons can do their jobs and sap the energy.
Of course, anything hot enough to fry the neons altogether will get in, but
NE-2 bulbs are pretty simple and robust.  It takes a LOT to make one of
those stop conducting.  Maybe if it popped?

Had I used relays (magnetic isolators) instead of optoisolators, probably no
damage.  But relays could wear over 30 years of activity.  And they were
bigger and more expensive.

You CAN design things to survive a lot, but I doubt that anything made in
China has had any real level of protection put in.  Smaller things are less
susceptible, due to lesser antenna effects, but they're also more
susceptible, due to smaller geometries.

Something whose job requires it to be out in the open, like solar cells, or
cables, has it pretty tough, though.

Keep your spares in Faraday cages?  That works, but what if your foe has
_two_ of the things, and waits for all the spares to be deployed before
setting off #2?

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] OT for our printer expert -- What it's like to fix linotype, intertype, and other old presses

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Solar cells, charge controllers, and EV motor controllers are all built on
semiconductors and all are vulnerable to permanent EMP damage.

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes On Behalf Of G Mann via Mercedes
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2021 3:16 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: G Mann 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT for our printer expert -- What it's like to fix
linotype, intertype, and other old presses

You might want to rethink that plan to use solar panel system to recharge
your EV car after EMP event.
https://www.sol-ark.com/can-solar-flares-or-emp-damage-solar-power-systems/#
:~:text=An%20EMP%20damages%20electronics%2C%20particularly,or%20connected%20
to%20electronic%20devices.=However%2C%20solar%20panels%20are%20usually,
solar%20electronics%20are%20likewise%20damaged
.

On Wed, Sep 15, 2021 at 12:10 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>  How is that different than ICE vehicles? If I've got an electric 
> vehicle and an off grid solar power system I can generate power to charge
my car.
> It might take weeks but I could do it.
> If I'm out of gas/diesel and there has been a disruption to supply I'm 
> screwed.
> -Curt
>
> On Wednesday, September 15, 2021, 03:05:32 PM EDT, Jim Cathey via 
> Mercedes  wrote:
>
>  The best thing that could happen to ensure the survival of our 
> civilization, in some form after a major disruption, would be a 
> widespread reliance on electric vehicles.  When the shit hit the fan 
> the cities and their residents would mostly all die right away, 
> because they couldn't get out very far.
> The remainder, rurally located, would be left to pick up the pieces as 
> they could.
>
> Electric vehicles are the supermarkets of the transportation world.
> They're great, so long as everything's working.  Otherwise, useless.
> Deathtraps.
>
> -- Jim
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT for our printer expert -- What it's like to fix linotype, intertype, and other old presses

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Which is why I'll never sell my 300SD.  But expect many roads to become 
impassible with manned checkpoints  (where robbers will kill you and steal your 
car) and millions of dead modern cars, frozen in place since the event.

-Original Message-
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Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2021 2:07 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: Kaleb Striplin 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT for our printer expert -- What it's like to fix linotype, 
intertype, and other old presses

Those driving a 240D might survive also. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 15, 2021, at 12:58 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
>> 
>> How would an EMP event cause 90% fatalities?
> 
> Instant return to Amish living. No groceries, no gasoline, no natural gas, no 
> propane, no electricity.
> 
> With supply chain disruptions what they are currently, it's difficult enough 
> to get repair parts, etc. With no supply chain at all, what happens. This 
> country has an exceedingly thin veneer of civility, and with an EMP that 
> would be gone. Rural folks, with SKILLS, would fair much better than urban 
> and suburban folks. They would be decimated in less than a month. It 
> will/would take a year minimum for any infrastructure to be rebuilt. How long 
> can one survive with no food/water/medical care?
> 
> Even a regional EMP would likely take down much of the US electrical grid, 
> because it is all interconnected, and interdependent, with the exception 
> perhaps of Texas.
> 
> The Amish would survive. Everyone else, not so much.
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT for our printer expert -- What it's like to fix linotype, intertype, and other old presses

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

In a wide-spread EMP event essentially all modern electronic systems, including 
the power grid, stop working, permanent damage.  Without deliveries of food (or 
anything else), inability to pump water, lack of refrigeration, and no modern 
medicine, things get bad fast.  The breakdown of law enforcement would be 
complete. Regular citizens would become roving gangs foraging to survive, 
without caring about who got hurt in the process.  Available supplies would 
soon be exhausted.  Most people would not be able to evacuate without mass 
transportation or their own cars (both not working).  Without sewage pumping 
and treatment, disease would become rampant and anyone requiring real medical 
care wouldn't get it.  Garbage would just pile up.  Of course, modern 
buildings, never designed with natural cross ventilation, become inhabitable.  
Underground fuel stores would be trapped.  Fires would burn until they burn 
out.  There would be a complete lack of reliable information (like is anywhere 
still OK?).  A simple injury could become fatal.  Spare parts for the power 
grid (like big transformers) are woefully inadequate and take years to build 
(mostly overseas, I hear).   I think you bet the picture.  People would be 
instantly thrown back into the 19th century and they lack the knowledge and 
stuff (like horses) needed to survive there.

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes On Behalf Of dan penoff.com via Mercedes
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2021 1:44 PM
To: Okie Benz 
Cc: dan penoff.com 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT for our printer expert -- What it's like to fix linotype, 
intertype, and other old presses

How would an EMP event cause 90% fatalities? I’m not disputing, just trying to 
understand.

Certainly stuff would break and cause some fatalities, but I find it difficult 
to imagine a number so high.

-D

> On Sep 15, 2021, at 1:36 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Not unlike the era when ships were made of wood and the men were made 
> of steel.  They say that a wide-scale EMP event would result in 90% 
> fatalities.
> I suspect higher, especially urban areas.  Given systemic failures to 
> harden the grid maybe we would be better served learning how to survive 
> without it.
> Does anyone teach Boy Scout skills these days?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
> Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2021 12:40 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: Andrew Strasfogel 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT for our printer expert -- What it's like to fix 
> linotype, intertype, and other old presses
> 
> Now THERE'S a scarce skill.
> 
> On Sun, Sep 12, 2021 at 11:52 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes < 
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> https://www.ifixit.com/News/52539/what-its-like-to-fix-linotype-inter
>> t
>> ype-and-other-old-presses
>> 
>> --
>> 
>> --FT
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Re: [MBZ] OT for our printer expert -- What it's like to fix linotype, intertype, and other old presses

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Not unlike the era when ships were made of wood and the men were made of
steel.  They say that a wide-scale EMP event would result in 90% fatalities.
I suspect higher, especially urban areas.  Given systemic failures to harden
the grid maybe we would be better served learning how to survive without it.
Does anyone teach Boy Scout skills these days?

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2021 12:40 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: Andrew Strasfogel 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT for our printer expert -- What it's like to fix
linotype, intertype, and other old presses

Now THERE'S a scarce skill.

On Sun, Sep 12, 2021 at 11:52 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
> https://www.ifixit.com/News/52539/what-its-like-to-fix-linotype-intert
> ype-and-other-old-presses
>
> --
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Re: [MBZ] Labor Day

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Mine is a Simmons.  This may be a better video: 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYiF3y5f9yI


-Original Message-
From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
Sent: Monday, September 6, 2021 2:06 PM
To: Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
Cc: Kaleb Striplin 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Labor Day

Well I got down to the bottom and there is what appears to be a drain hole. 
When you shut off the water it drains out the hole into the ground so it 
doesn’t freeze. This appears to be where it is leaking so I guess the handle is 
not completely shutting off the water. I do see where it is removed from the 
pipe. Not sure if it needs to be replaced or if there is some sort of repair 
that can be done. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 6, 2021, at 12:09 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yesterday after having a lot party moving cars around so I could mow, I 
> discovered the ground wet under the outdoor hydrant. Actually I noticed in a 
> could of weeks ago but had it on my mind to see if it was still wet later. It 
> was. Today I started digging it out. In hindsight I should have shut off the 
> water first so the hole did not fill up. Anybody replaced one of these? I 
> can’t see the leak yet but I assume the pipe is rusted at the bottom. 
> Hopefully it’s a matter of screwing off the old one and screwing a new one 
> on. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone


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Re: [MBZ] Labor Day

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Kaleb, if you haven't replaced it yet, these things are generally repairable.  
There is a "rubber" plug at the base of the vertical tube and the plug wears 
out over time and leaks or limits flow.  The plug works like a switch allowing 
water to flow into the pipe or allowing the pipe to drain. This plug is moved 
up and down by a long rod (inside the pipe) operated by the handle.  Try to 
find the name of the manufacturer on the head casting and look for a repair kit 
online (like $20).  Not a hard job if you can shut off the water upstream but 
there are a couple ways to screw up.  Most critical, don't allow the operating 
rod to unscrew from the plug; in fact screw it all the way in before pulling it 
out (you may have unscrewed it part way while removing the casting).  Second, 
don't damage the rod where it goes through the seal.

This DIY vid might help: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrAD2sNZZ2E


-Original Message-
From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
Sent: Monday, September 6, 2021 2:06 PM
To: Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
Cc: Kaleb Striplin 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Labor Day

Well I got down to the bottom and there is what appears to be a drain hole. 
When you shut off the water it drains out the hole into the ground so it 
doesn’t freeze. This appears to be where it is leaking so I guess the handle is 
not completely shutting off the water. I do see where it is removed from the 
pipe. Not sure if it needs to be replaced or if there is some sort of repair 
that can be done. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 6, 2021, at 12:09 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yesterday after having a lot party moving cars around so I could mow, I 
> discovered the ground wet under the outdoor hydrant. Actually I noticed in a 
> could of weeks ago but had it on my mind to see if it was still wet later. It 
> was. Today I started digging it out. In hindsight I should have shut off the 
> water first so the hole did not fill up. Anybody replaced one of these? I 
> can’t see the leak yet but I assume the pipe is rusted at the bottom. 
> Hopefully it’s a matter of screwing off the old one and screwing a new one 
> on. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone


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Re: [MBZ] OT: NS-17 launch this AM

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

In Heinlein's 1949 book "The Man Who Sold the Moon" the hero raised some of the 
money by getting Coke (or was it Pepsi, or both) to fund the mission to prevent 
turning the earth-facing side of moon into the competitor's logo.

-Original Message-
From:  Of Curt Raymond on Thursday, August 26, 2021 9:59 AM


 "Next thing you know they’ll be selling advertising space on the booster."
I'm surprised they haven't yet...
-Curt

On Thursday, August 26, 2021, 09:53:47 AM EDT, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 In between the shills for “New Shepard” swag, apparently.

Never watched a rocket launch where they were selling T-shirts and hoodies with 
the logo during the countdown. This goes a long way to make me feel comfortable 
that this is a viable means to put someone/something into orbit.

Next thing you know they’ll be selling advertising space on the booster.

-D

> On Aug 26, 2021, at 9:42 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> livestream
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUZZ0EDzII0
> 
> It's delayed, not sure when it's going off.
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[MBZ] Lenses, was RE: OT: Film

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

I have a few (spare) Konica Autoreflex-T lenses.  The camera body with 50mm 
lens was stolen.  I'll part with the lenses for the cost of shipping to the 
first Oki member that wants them.  I'm out of town until Sunday night but can 
provide details next week.  I haven't even looked at them for 10+ years so I'd 
like then to have a better home than my closet.



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Re: [MBZ] w123 door check strap

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

MY rusty old 300TD (79) door check straps responded nicely  to cleaning and
new grease, at least for the stamped version.  Several of the cast metal
style actually broke from metal fatigue (technically damage accumulation).

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Mitch Haley via Mercedes
Sent: Friday, August 13, 2021 11:31 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: mi...@mitchellhaley.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] w123 door check strap

Now you're talking.
Buy NOS and replace the grease with some manufactured in this century.
Mitch.

On 2021-08-13 10:26, Ronald Courcy via Mercedes wrote:
> FYI. There are several 114mm w123 (new) door check straps listed on 
> ebay right now for less than $120 delivered.
> 

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Re: [MBZ] Inverter mini-split and Generators

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

I had several surges when I first moved in, destroying several pieces of 
electronics.  The main problem then was that someone had connected the main 
power ground to one of the lightning rod grounds.  Removing that jumper solved 
a lot.  Now I have a Duke Power suppressor under the meter, suppressors in the 
sub panels and grounded UPS for network and TV stuff.  So far, so good.

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
Sent: Sunday, August 8, 2021 8:48 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 


My 3 LG units all want 30A 220V breakers. No idea if they reach even close to 
30A. 

Note that one unit has fried 2 main circuit boards at like $400 a pop. They 
seem very sensitive to spikes, once from a system spike (that also fried some 
of our water company controllers/monitors down the road, those were MUCH more 
costly to repair) so you might also want some surge suppressors on the feed 
from the generator. 

--FT
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[MBZ] Inverter mini-split and Generators

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Bottom line:  I took some measurements and I think it is very feasible to
power an INVERTER style mini-split HVAC from a generator.

 

Last night I discovered that my cheapie Harbor Freight Cen-Tech clamp meter
had a peak-hold function.  I don't know the meter's sample rate but I don't
think that matters because the readings were very consistent.

I ran the heat pump in cooling initially but that wasn't really loading the
compressor so I switched to the heat function.  

I never saw a typical motor inrush spike.  

Initially, the unit always pulled 0.17-0.25 amps, for the low-speed blower
in the indoor unit, I thin.  This is needed to sense indoor temperature.  

Then the outdoor fan came on with a peaks near 3 amps but a RMS current near
1 amp.

Finally the compressor began to ramp up; the average and peak currents
gradually increased as pressure built but there were no motor inrush spikes.


When the system stabilized on max heat the average RMS current was about 7-8
amps with peaks at about 12-13 amps.  These peaks were brief but continuous,
probably caused by charging input capacitors in the inverter.  

At this max heat setting the indoor unit pumped out very hot air.  

This Pioneer system is rated at 12K btu.  The minimum circuit breaker spec
is 15 amps and the rated run current is 10 amps max.

All this seems well within the capability of my 15KW Generac.

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Re: [MBZ] Generators and Mini-Splits, Anyone Know?

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

I can't comment on all these new electronic (GFCI/AFCI, etc.) breakers but
old time breakers had a trip curve (e.g.:
https://www.electriciantalk.com/attachments/type-b-jpg.52369/).  The breaker
was guaranteed to trip just above the rated current but only after hundreds
or thousands of seconds.  On the other hand many times (like 50x) the rated
current could pass for a few milliseconds without tripping the breaker.
Most breakers would pass 3-5x the rated current for a couple seconds before
tripping.  All this makes sense when you realize these numbers are
sufficient to protect the wires.  Fuses are a whole different animal.

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Allan Streib via Mercedes
Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2021 10:43 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: Allan Streib 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Generators and Mini-Splits, Anyone Know?

What is the error tolerance on the Ampere rating on a circuit breaker?

Maybe your 15A breaker is allowing a little more than that, and the
recommeded 20 assumes that the actual breaker might trip a little lower.
There must be a little headroom on the required rating, so that people don't
complain that their breakers are always tripping off.

Allan

On Sat, Jul 31, 2021, at 9:37 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:
> On 2021-07-31 20:29, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote:
> > Good data point.  Thanks.
> 
> The LRA (locked rotor amps) on my 1.5T are 47.
> I do not know why I can start it on a fast blow 15A breaker.
> The install instructions demand a 20A HACR (slow blow HVAC) breaker.
> Maybe the start kit helps?
> What would really help is a 'slow start kit'.
> Hard start kits don't reduce LRA, they just reduce the time for amps 
> to drop.
> The 5-2-1 kits are considered the superior hard starts, but slow start 
> makes it ramp up like an inverter drive.
> https://www.cpsproducts.com/hvacr/5-2-1-compressor-saver/
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Re: [MBZ] Generators and Mini-Splits, Anyone Know?

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Good data point.  Thanks.

-Original Message-
From: Mitch Haley via Mercedes
Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2021 7:39 PM

On 2021-07-31 18:16, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote:
> Maybe I need a peak-reading ac ammeter.  That's probably the only way 
> to know.  Or maybe I can find some data online.  My generator has no 
> problem running the water heater (which is totally unnecessary) but 
> that's a pure resistive load.

I don't have broad experience here, but a 3kw generator hardly notices a
9000BTU Fujitsu inverter unit.
Before I obtained a proper 20A HACR breaker, I ran my 1.5T traditional split
unit (with 3 wire hard start kit) on the 15A fast blow breaker that had
previously served the Fujitsu. No problem running the 1.5T with a 5kw/11hp
generator.

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Re: [MBZ] Generators and Mini-Splits, Anyone Know?

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Maybe I need a peak-reading ac ammeter.  That's probably the only way to know.  
Or maybe I can find some data online.  My generator has no problem running the 
water heater (which is totally unnecessary) but that's a pure resistive load.

These mini-splits do not send line power direct to the compressor motor but to 
an inverter that generates variable frequency AC which drives the motor.  My 
recollection is that the compressor starts at a slow speed and then ramps up to 
a steady state based on the thermal demand.  My basic unit (like 17 SEER) uses 
a fixed expansion orifice so the compressor (and blower) speeds are modulated 
to achieve the target superheat and subcool.  The higher SEER units use 
electric thermal expansion valves.

I have one room (my office) that heats and cools poorly and I suspect I can 
install a high efficiency mini-split cheaper than reworking the duct work.  
Also it might still work on the generator if the power goes out..

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes On Behalf Of dan penoff.com via Mercedes
Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2021 12:02 PM
To: Okie Benz 
Cc: dan penoff.com 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Generators and Mini-Splits, Anyone Know?

Just off the cuff I would suspect it could run a couple of them without too 
much effort. You would need to determine what the code letter of the compressor 
motor is to get an accurate idea. This would apply especially if they don’t 
start simultaneously, which might be a bit much even for a 15kW unit, depending 
on what other loads are present. I would think it wouldn’t have much of a 
problem starting them one at a time.

-D

> On Jul 31, 2021, at 11:56 AM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I know most generators can't run a conventional AC/Heat Pump because 
> of the high compressor startup currents except (maybe) with a soft-start kit.
> 
> I wondered about mini-split systems.  These are smaller size and seem 
> to "ramp up" in speed which seems like it should moderate the high 
> start-up currents.
> 
> The 12K BTU unit I installed in my barn only uses a 10 amp breaker and 
> the equivalent 240v model is rated at only 5 amps per phase.
> 
> So I suspect my generator (15KW, 60 amp/phase) could run a couple of 
> these mini-split heat pumps.  Does anyone know?  As I recall, Dan had 
> expertise in this area (or am I thinking of someone else?).
> 
> Scott
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[MBZ] Generators and Mini-Splits, Anyone Know?

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

I know most generators can't run a conventional AC/Heat Pump because of the
high compressor startup currents except (maybe) with a soft-start kit.

I wondered about mini-split systems.  These are smaller size and seem to
"ramp up" in speed which seems like it should moderate the high start-up
currents.  

The 12K BTU unit I installed in my barn only uses a 10 amp breaker and the
equivalent 240v model is rated at only 5 amps per phase.

So I suspect my generator (15KW, 60 amp/phase) could run a couple of these
mini-split heat pumps.  Does anyone know?  As I recall, Dan had expertise in
this area (or am I thinking of someone else?).

Scott

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Bathroom Flooring Question

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

I have a small electric (10v) brad nailer that is super for trim, especially 
for kick spaces and other hard-to-nail areas.  The main trick is holding hand 
pressure against the back fd the tool to get good countersink.  Pneumatic is 
good too, of course.

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes On Behalf Of dan penoff.com via Mercedes
Sent: Friday, July 30, 2021 3:22 PM
To: Okie Benz 
Cc: dan penoff.com 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Bathroom Flooring Question

There is quarter round on the walls and the kick panel of the vanity, so I’ll 
pull that. I’ll have to but it up against the tub but otherwise all of the 
other edges will be covered in some manner.

And yes, I own a house in Flagstaff now. Chez Penoff West.

-D

> On Jul 30, 2021, at 3:10 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> At 4 X 6, you don't have a lot to lose. Might as well try it and see how well 
> it works. If the existing joints are not tight, you might get telegraphing of 
> the pattern through the new vinyl. If you can stand additional thickness, you 
> might find some of the vinyl plank flooring would be thick enough to avoid 
> telegraphing and a lot of it is free floating so you might not even need to 
> glue.
> 
> On 30/07/2021 10:18 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>> I’ve got a small bathroom in the Flagstaff house that has very dated 12” 
>> square vinyl flooring (from what I can see.) It’s a small area, maybe 4’ x 
>> 6’, if that. The flooring is in good condition finish-wise, but is 
>> discolored from age and UV exposure due to a skylight being in the ceiling. 
>> It was clearly put down before the bathroom was finished, as it goes 
>> underneath the vanity, toilet, and shower insert.
>> 
>> Here’s my question:
>> 
>> Can I simply put another layer of either 12” square or continuous flooring 
>> over this without an issue? It’s clearly stable and could very well be 
>> original (40+ years). There’s no lifting, peeling or separation anywhere 
>> that I can find.
>> 
>> I’m going to be replacing the toilet at the same time, so I’ll be putting 
>> the flooring around the floor flange so it will cover the whole area rather 
>> than be butted against the edges of the toilet base.
>> 
>> Recommendations for material? I presume I’ll just put some sort of mastic 
>> down with a V trowel to secure the flooring?
>> 
>> No need for anything fancy, just looking to make it look nice and consistent.
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> 
>> -D
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Bathroom Flooring Question

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Excellent technique and amazingly precise.   I cut carpet for several bathrooms 
that way over the years and it looks like a pro wall-to-wall job but lifts out 
easily.

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Randy Bennell via Mercedes
Sent: Friday, July 30, 2021 4:02 PM
To: Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
Cc: Randy Bennell 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Bathroom Flooring Question

On 30/07/2021 2:03 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote:
>   Sheet vinyl is harder than squares but not much harder for small rooms. 
> 


I did sheet vinyl in a bathroom a few years back. I had a roll of paper and I 
laid out strips of it on the floor to fit to the walls and other things like 
doorways and the tub and vanity and toilet flange and taped it  all together as 
a big full sized pattern. I then rolled out the vinyl on the floor in the 
living room and laid the pattern on top of it. 
I cut out triangular bits of paper in about 4 spots on the pattern so that I 
could tape the pattern to the new vinyl and not have it shift around on me. 
Then I cut out the vinyl in line with the edge of the paper pattern. It fit 
perfectly.

The second time we renovated that bathroom, we used ceramic tile. The vinyl was 
so much cleaner and easier to work with. The ceramic may last longer but I am 
not sure it was worth the effort.


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Re: [MBZ] A Tesla battery at a 300 MW facility catches fire

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Battery fires are no joke:
https://insideevs.com/news/423581/severe-electric-car-fire-explosion-chargin
g/


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From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Allan Streib via Mercedes
Sent: Friday, July 30, 2021 10:22 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: Allan Streib 
Subject: [MBZ] A Tesla battery at a 300 MW facility catches fire

"Emergency services are working to extinguish flames"

I'll bet that is an understatement.

https://www.drive.com.au/news/geelongs-300-megawatt-tesla-battery-catches-fi
re-authorities-working-to-contain-blaze/
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Bathroom Flooring Question

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Me too.  Some think it's tacky but I vote for sheet vinyl in any room with 
running water.  Depending on the old texture you may need a "leveler" to 
prevent print-through of the old texture.  You'll want shoe molding around the 
perimeter to prevent curling and probably a transition strip at the doorway.  
Sheet vinyl is harder than squares but not much harder for small rooms.  Many 
installers only use adhesive around the edges these days.

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Curt Raymond via Mercedes
Sent: Friday, July 30, 2021 11:55 AM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Cc: Curt Raymond 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Bathroom Flooring Question

 For a bathroom I'm a big fan of one piece vinyl, get a flooring place to do 
it, they're used to cutting around stuff.My parents used something similar for 
their kitchen/dining room, looks like tiles to the point that you have to touch 
it to tell it isn't individual tiles. Its completely smooth but looks textured.
Which reminds me, I need to get Angie to pick out new tiles for our bathroom, 
its got little pink squares, some of which have lifted. I plan to just replace 
it all with marble, it'll be easier to clean with fewer grout lines and it 
won't be pink...

-Curt

On Friday, July 30, 2021, 11:19:13 AM EDT, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 I’ve got a small bathroom in the Flagstaff house that has very dated 12” 
square vinyl flooring (from what I can see.) It’s a small area, maybe 4’ x 6’, 
if that. The flooring is in good condition finish-wise, but is discolored from 
age and UV exposure due to a skylight being in the ceiling. It was clearly put 
down before the bathroom was finished, as it goes underneath the vanity, 
toilet, and shower insert.

Here’s my question:

Can I simply put another layer of either 12” square or continuous flooring over 
this without an issue? It’s clearly stable and could very well be original (40+ 
years). There’s no lifting, peeling or separation anywhere that I can find.

I’m going to be replacing the toilet at the same time, so I’ll be putting the 
flooring around the floor flange so it will cover the whole area rather than be 
butted against the edges of the toilet base.

Recommendations for material? I presume I’ll just put some sort of mastic down 
with a V trowel to secure the flooring?

No need for anything fancy, just looking to make it look nice and consistent.

Thanks!

-D
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Re: [MBZ] MBZ charging for software subscriptions

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You will own nothing and you will be happy.  Just wait until FedCoin.

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Allan Streib via Mercedes
Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2021 12:19 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: Allan Streib 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] MBZ charging for software subscriptions

I think the day is coming where we will no longer own cars, you will 
license/lease them, with various options and features enabled or disabled, just 
like software. Used cars as we know them today won't exist. You'll simply 
return the car to the dealer and they will reset the options and relicense it 
to the next tenant. The other model will be short-term rentals (hours/days) for 
people who only need a car occasionally.

Most people won't care, to them a car is a monthly payment either way.




On Thu, Jul 29, 2021, at 11:16 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:
> Shades of John Deere.
> Thanks for paying $$ for that S classe.
> For an additional $575/yr, we'll enable the rear wheel steering that's 
> standard in USA...
> 
> For the first time, I respect MBUSA more than I respect DBAG.
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-rvOAGT6mw
> 
> 
> The electric sedan already has the necessary hardware for this 
> feature, but it's blocked by the software. Rear-wheel steering isn't a 
> new technology as it has been around for decades, with the Nissan R31 
> Skyline pioneering the system back in 1985. That said, Mercedes has 
> managed to take it to a whole new level with its flagship combustion 
> and electric cars, as the latest S-Class and EQS boast the most 
> advanced version ever fitted to a production vehicle.
> 
> On the EQS, the rear wheels have a standard steering angle of up to 
> 4.5 degrees, but in other markets, it comes with an optional feature 
> increasing the angle to 10 degrees – this advanced tech is actually 
> standard on the US-market car, however. In the case of the EV, the 
> turning circle drops to 10.9 meters (35.7 feet), which is mighty 
> impressive for such a large car. It turns the rear wheels in the 
> opposite direction to the front wheels at speeds of up to 60 km/h (37
> mph) to reduce the turning circle. Above that velocity, all four 
> wheels turn in the same direction to improve stability and sharpen up 
> handling.
> 
> How does it work? According to Mercedes: "An electric motor drives a 
> spindle at the rear axle via a drive belt. This makes axial 
> adjustments to the spindle."
> 
> The more advanced setup is offered as standard equipment in the United 
> States, but at home in Germany, the EQS comes fitted with the lesser 
> configuration of RWS. You can have 10-degree steering as an optional 
> feature when ordering the car, and Mercedes is providing another way 
> to gain access to the tech even after taking delivery of the fullsize 
> electric sedan.
> 
> With cars becoming rolling computers, Mercedes is cramming more and 
> more tech while providing support for over-the-air updates. The EQS is 
> a relevant example as owners can activate the 10-degree rear-wheel 
> steering post-purchase courtesy of an OTA update. It effectively means 
> the vehicle has this feature from the get-go, but it's blocked by the 
> software. Unlocking it costs €489 (about $575) annually, but if you 
> get a three-year subscription, you'll get a €300 ($353) discount by 
> paying only €1,169 ($1,376).
> 
> Ordering the more sophisticated steering system requires the parking 
> package with a 360-degree camera, as it's the case with the S-Class.
> Interestingly, the tech can't be had if the car is running on mixed 
> tires, which isn't the case for EQS as only its combustion-engined 
> equivalent uses that type of rubber. Activating all-wheel steering 
> takes about two minutes after turning off the car before switching it 
> on again.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] I’ll be moving…

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Welcome to the Tar Heel state.  We can always use another Benz driver and also 
someone that has seen the wages of collectivism.  I live in a very rural (think 
farms) area 30 miles north of Raleigh but we visited Lexington often before my 
wife died.  My wife was a big fan of Bob Timberlake, the artist, who has a nice 
gallery in Lexington.  Lexington is famous for BBQ but I prefer Dunn style.  
Scott

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From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Kevin Kraly via Mercedes
Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2021 9:55 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: Kevin Kraly 
Subject: [MBZ] I’ll be moving…

To North Carolina! Oregon’s cost of living and property taxes just continue to 
climb, and our state is becoming a cesspool of homelessness and criminal 
activity. Added to all this, our HOA is full of negativity and drama, so we 
started looking for someplace else to live. My BIL lives in Lexington, NC, and 
things are much more peaceful there. We put our deposit on a 2501SqFt home on 
1.23 acres which is currently under construction. The price is about half what 
our current Oregon home is worth, so we can pay off our lone and other debt and 
still have enough to put about half down on the new house. I’ve decided to sell 
our Sprinter to get more liquidity to move our stuff out, get a temporary 
rental and wait while our house sells. You can bet I won’t get a Blutec Diesel 
Sprinter next time!
Kevin, moving out of Hillsboro, Oregon
2019 Sprinter 12 passenger 144WB, 3500mi, Low Mileage Lutgart, soon to be up 
for sale
1982 240D, High Mileage Hildegard, soon to be up for sale as well if the darned 
shop ever calls me back!!

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Re: [MBZ] W124 window gremlins

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My recollection of aircraft wiring is that all our connectors were crimped to 
the wires unless enclosed in a case where the wires can't move.  All wires were 
stranded and solder wicked into the stranded wire to create hard spots where 
fatigue occurred.  Those crimped connector pins/sockets were a far cry from 
AutoZone spade connectors.  Each pin/socket was individually crimped to the 
wire with a tool designed for that pin and then the pins/sockets were inserted 
into the connector.  As I recall, Prior to WWII the few aircraft electrical 
connections were typically soldered.  But soldering for WWII mass production 
with low-experience workers was a problem.  Crimp technology was developed so 
lesser-experienced workers could make reliable connections in MASS production.  
We're talking about stuff like a new B-24/hour, 24/7.  In time, crimped 
technology developed to be more reliable than solder.  On my boats (I'm a 
landlubber now) I used Anchor heat-shrink crimps with adhesive in the sleeve; 
waterproof and reliable.

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes On Behalf Of OK Don via Mercedes
Sent: Monday, July 26, 2021 10:29 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: OK Don 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 window gremlins

I've seen both soldered and crimped splices in aircraft.

On Sun, Jul 25, 2021 at 4:24 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes < 
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> I believe it's crimp for something like a ring terminal or 
> quick-disconnect spade terminal. For attaching wires directly to a 
> device it's solder. I'm not sure splicing a broken wire would be allowed?
>
> Allan
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 25, 2021, at 4:11 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:
> > What is the standard for aircraft?
> > Solder?
> > Crimp?
> >
> >
> > Rick
> >
> > From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> > Sent: July 25, 2021 2:24 PM
> > To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> > Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> > Cc: okd...@gmail.com
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 window gremlins
> >
> > I Ilike solder and stepped shrink tubing to provide strian/flex 
> > relief as wire can break at the point the solder starts/stops if 
> > it's flexed there
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Re: [MBZ] Mini splits

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

I installed a 12,000 unit in my "barn" about 4 years ago.   It was not hjard.  
My main problem was finding a mounting lication where the 2.25 inch hole (for 
wires and pipes) would not hit a stud.  I mounted the outside unit on a wall 
bracket to avoid mowing debris and leaf piles.  My building is uninsulated and 
leaky but the unit still does OK.  Insulation (heat leaks) and air leaks are 
more important than square feet, IMO, but SF are easier to compute.  IMO, these 
units run at part "power" as needed so there is no big problem with going 
bigger (more BTU) than necessary.  My line-set was not precharged and needed to 
be evacuated but I was able to keep them short that way.  A good flare tool is 
important if you need to shorten the line-set.  You need access to power 
(probably 240v), which can be easy or hard depending on your situation.  
Overall, performance has been good.

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Larry Turner via Mercedes
Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2021 3:30 PM
To: Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
Cc: Larry Turner 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mini splits

Hi All -
 I have a question about installing a minisplit.  After watching a YouTube 
video of the Install, it looks pretty easy. Is that accurate? We're considering 
one for our insulated (2") metal shop which is 20x35. I was considering a 
12,000 or 18,000BTU unit unless we could get along with a smaller one.  If 
needed I could get a HVAC guy to charge it unless it's DIY?
 TIA!
LarryT
06 E350


On 6/4/2020 8:55 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>   Ours is wall mounted so we don't have to take it out and put it back but I 
> do put a quilted cover on it over the winter.I'd also like to have the 
> minisplit for heat during the shoulder seasons when I don't really want to 
> turn the furnace on but we'd like to warm up the house.
> -Curt
>
>  On Wednesday, June 3, 2020, 9:15:52 PM EDT, Dwight Giles 
>  wrote:
>   
>   Yes,when life returns to normal would be good investment. We got tired of 
> schlepping  window AC's in & out.. every season.
>
> Dwight Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
> On Wed, Jun 3, 2020, 7:34 PM Curt Raymond  wrote:
>
>   At some point I plan to put one here to replace our wall mount AC unit. I 
> had kind of planned to do it this year but with no pay increase and 6 weeks 
> of furlough all extra spending is on hold.
> On furlough next week, doing brakes and some rust repair on the pickup. It 
> had been scheduled to get replaced this fall, instead its getting some fixin 
> and new tires. Should be able to run it a couple more years easy.
> -Curt
>
>  On Wednesday, June 3, 2020, 7:27:27 PM EDT, Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
>   
>   Yes ours have both AC & heat down to 30F. We just put some in our 
> church's vicarage that heat down to almost zero.
>
> We love ours.
>
> Dwight Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
>
> On Wed, Jun 3, 2020, 5:18 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < 
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/544822119790746/
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Re: [MBZ] It's hitting the fan

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Sounds like an example of the market distortion caused by the FED pumping
cash into the equity (and other) markets.  Bad (zombies) companies need to
die to prevent further damage (like this) and free resources for productive
use.  

I finally heard a simple explanation of "quantitative easing".  QE is simply
monetizing the deficit, i.e. the FED "prints" new currency to cover the
deficit.

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Jim Cathey via Mercedes
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 9:55 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: Jim Cathey 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] It's hitting the fan

Our company was bought, and really _was_ a valuable acquisition in that our
products, added to their line, were highly successful.  Yet, there were
multiple layoffs.  We were continually told that we were valued by
corporate, and not to worry.  That is, until they decided to close the
office (what remained of our original company) altogether and move all
support to India.  (Useless, as we'd 'trained' them several times, but
nobody stayed there long enough to remember/retain the training.  All real
fixes were still done by us.)  _Our_ engineering staff was, IMHO,
world-class.  India's was just world market.

This is the same company that had decided to 'save' money by moving our
extensive (and expensive) test lab, housed in an _owned_ building, from
eastern WA to silicon valley --- where space, labor, and power (significant)
are _so_ much cheaper!
They got rid of the building altogether, basically giving it away, and moved
the remaining engineering staff to rented space.  Fools.

A (very) few were offered work-from-home status, including me.  I decided
that if I was going to work from home, a _different_ offer I had on the
table, in a different industry, was far better.  A nice family-run business
instead of lying corporate asshats.

Screw them.  Now I work for a theme park rather than the telecomm industry.

Good luck, you'll probably need it.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Just got off the phone with USAA

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

He has much company.

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes
Sent: Friday, July 16, 2021 9:08 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: Dimitri Seretakis 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Just got off the phone with USAA

I’ll address it on this list for you. Our “president” is a fucking idiot. Done. 
Thank you.

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> On Jul 16, 2021, at 1:57 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Health insurance and life insurance premiums will be going up very soon, if 
> not already.
> I could give a reason why, but that is probably best addressed on another 
> list.
> Ask an insurance actuary.
> 
> Rick
> 
> 
> 
> From: Mercedes  on behalf of Kaleb Striplin 
> via Mercedes 
> Sent: Friday, July 16, 2021 12:51 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Cc: Kaleb Striplin
> Subject: [MBZ] Just got off the phone with USAA
> 
> They reviewed all the coverages etc which I can do online myself. I let them 
> go thru that and when done explained how this was a complete waste of time, I 
> have 2 houses and 4 cars insured with them and the question I need answers is 
> why has the premiums doubled in the last 3 years. Their answer blew me away. 
> They said they discovered they have been undercharging in Oklahoma so they 
> are having to make up for it. They wanted TJ help us out by spreading the 
> increase out over several years and it will go up again next year also.
> 
> What the heck?  I did go ahead and mention I have been shopping around and 
> found I could get better coverage for significantly less.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT Web Browser Privacy

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Bob Braxman makes podcasts on internet privacy.  Here's one on browsers: 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZTXGUjHTJc
Brave is built on Chromium (like many others) but with modifications for better 
privacy.  
Search engine choice is a separate issue.  Duck Duck Go and StartPage have good 
reputations
The problem is you never know what may be lurking in the code (or in an update).
Personally, I use Brave with the default DuckDuckGo search engine but I can't 
prove it's better than others.

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes On Behalf Of OK Don via Mercedes
Sent: Thursday, July 8, 2021 6:09 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: OK Don 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Web Browser Privacy

We've been using Brave for a couple of years now. There are issues with a few 
sites, but not many. Mostly with bank sites that want to "remember" you
- having to answer the security questions over and over again.

On Thu, Jul 8, 2021 at 3:12 PM Meade Dillon via Mercedes < 
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> If I can make Edge behave, I think I'll be happier, but worth a look 
> and some consideration.  For years I did the third party browser thing 
> with Firefox, so maybe I should go to Brave.
>
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 8, 2021 at 3:58 PM Rick Knoble via Mercedes < 
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > This may help. I have heard good things about Brave. I have no 
> > firsthand knowledge though.
> >
> > https://www.lifewire.com/best-private-web-browsers-4177138
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] W123 transmission pan bolts torque

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

8 Nm with cork gasket, 7 Nm with rubber gasket

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Allan Streib via Mercedes
Sent: Monday, July 5, 2021 6:11 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: Allan Streib 
Subject: [MBZ] W123 transmission pan bolts torque

Anyone know the tightening torque for a W123 transmission pan? I know it's
important to not overtighten and warp the pan. I'm thinking something like
8-10 lb-ft?

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Re: [MBZ] OT Electric Vehicles On Collision Course With Reality

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Back in the day (say the 30s-40s) cities were THE desirable places to live
and work.  Cities had restaurants, entertainment, transportation, and
amenities, like power, water, and sewage.   Now the cities have crime,
homelessness, high costs, filth, and incredible taxes.  In the meantime,
rural areas got electricity., internet, nearby big-box stores, and Amazon.
Things have changed.  I presume my 45 acres of trees sequester a bit of CO2.

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Peter Frederick via Mercedes
Sent: Friday, July 2, 2021 7:48 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: Peter Frederick 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Electric Vehicles On Collision Course With Reality

Having been in Europe long enough, I'd much rather take the train on a trip.


Back before the suburban craze, every city had good transportation systems,
LA was superb.  Naturally, GM bought it and shut is down
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Re: [MBZ] Physics Was: OT - Ammo

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

I was addressing the theoretical question about how a lighter bullet can have 
more energy with less recoil.  In a specific case, barrel length, chamber 
pressure, and powder burn rate also control muzzle velocity.

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2021 11:28 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: Buggered Benzmail 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Physics Was: OT - Ammo

Energy in the bullet comes from whatever the charge has minus any losses. Not 
sure how a smaller bullet could gain more energy. More velocity maybe (M lower, 
V^2 higher) but energy is the same for a same powder load  in both rounds 
E1==E2== .5*M1*V1^2 == .5*M2*V2^2. M2 V2>V1

--FT
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> On Jun 30, 2021, at 7:10 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Energy is 1/2 MV*V (V squared) where M is the bullet mass and V is bullet 
> velocity.  Momentum is MV which also is also equal to the impulse (force * 
> time)  needed to create the momentum.  So for a given impulse (recoil) the 
> lighter bullet will always have more energy (less M, more V).   But with 
> similar aerodynamic forces. A lighter bullet will lose energy (velocity) 
> faster (same force, less mass).
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Allan Streib via Mercedes
> Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2021 6:37 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: Allan Streib 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Ammo
> 
> I know little about firearms but have seen the Ruger 57 showing up in my 
> YouTube recommendations, etc. Any thoughts? Shoots 5.7x28mm, a lighter round 
> but faster and with similar energy as 9mm. Supposedly less recoil (though if 
> energy is similar I'm not sure that makes sense) and more accurate.
> 
> It's apparently a more expensive round also, at least for now.
> 
> Allan
> 
>> On Wed, Jun 30, 2021, at 6:22 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>> Looks like stuff is starting to trickle back into stock. I’ve been able to 
>> get some decent quality 9mm lately, despite having to pay $0.50/round. Ouch. 
>> Noticed there were tons of .38 special a few weeks ago, but that seemed to 
>> evaporate. I wanted to stock back up for my Ruger Blackhawk .357. Far more 
>> enjoyable shooting .38 special in it than .357. More shots with less wrist 
>> soreness.
>> 
>> -D
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[MBZ] Physics Was: OT - Ammo

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Energy is 1/2 MV*V (V squared) where M is the bullet mass and V is bullet 
velocity.  Momentum is MV which also is also equal to the impulse (force * 
time)  needed to create the momentum.  So for a given impulse (recoil) the 
lighter bullet will always have more energy (less M, more V).   But with 
similar aerodynamic forces. A lighter bullet will lose energy (velocity) faster 
(same force, less mass).

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Allan Streib via Mercedes
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2021 6:37 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: Allan Streib 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Ammo

I know little about firearms but have seen the Ruger 57 showing up in my 
YouTube recommendations, etc. Any thoughts? Shoots 5.7x28mm, a lighter round 
but faster and with similar energy as 9mm. Supposedly less recoil (though if 
energy is similar I'm not sure that makes sense) and more accurate.

It's apparently a more expensive round also, at least for now.

Allan

On Wed, Jun 30, 2021, at 6:22 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> Looks like stuff is starting to trickle back into stock. I’ve been able to 
> get some decent quality 9mm lately, despite having to pay $0.50/round. Ouch. 
> Noticed there were tons of .38 special a few weeks ago, but that seemed to 
> evaporate. I wanted to stock back up for my Ruger Blackhawk .357. Far more 
> enjoyable shooting .38 special in it than .357. More shots with less wrist 
> soreness.
> 
> -D
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Re: [MBZ] Way OT: Weather Radar

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Not a graphic but WeatherCloud historical data goes back a ways.  My site
feeds Weather Underground and Ambient as well.
 https://app.weathercloud.net/d8072847201#evolution


-Original Message-
From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Allan Streib via Mercedes
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2021 1:45 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: Allan Streib 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Way OT: Weather Radar

I was going to say check darksky.net, their precipitation forcast map lets
you move back and forth in time but looking at it now, the actual radar map
does not.

Allan

On Tue, Jun 29, 2021, at 1:37 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:
> Does anyone know of a weather radar site that shows more than the last
hour of precipitation movement?
> 
> Rick
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