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Xzibit (pronounced as ex-hib-it) meets Karen Blissett in an IN.F3XXX10N.US online art exhibition: http://in.f3xxx10n.us/post/874443916 // jonCates HTTP://IN.F3XXX10N.US July 1 - 13 2010 online ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
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Hello James, Don't you play puzzle games or do you only program them? And really James, asking me to show you an image? Don't you believe me? What did you want to see? View fake profile 101 Pictures, fake profile 101 Images, fake profile 101 Photos on Photobucket. - Is that what you were looking for James? Karen On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 1:42 AM, James Morris ja...@jwm-art.net wrote: On 19 July 2010 23:36, karenbliss...@myself.com wrote: iweusthemyou cannot outguess me i won't partake in the performance of outguessing as i long ago concluded to do so is a waste of time. me is/are karen hi, i'm james. images only hide messages messages are hidden by all manner of things, ignorance, knowledge, language, imagery, noise, chaos, algorithms, electricity, magnetism, earth, sand, water, coal, dust, tar, oil, sea, elastic, polystyrene, earthenware, pottery, lipstick... karenblissett exposes ethereal layers of multiple significance i have no words. i wish you found the message then it is too late. karen james. ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour -- Open, Free, Public and Distributed at last. ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
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What surprises me - the continuous circulation around the proper name which is already inherited; the intensive presentation of multiplicity which already exists nameless on facebook; the stasis of such multiplicity around the proper name which seems unnecessary; the nn-legend which seemed to crash-land over nata-55/max/jitter skirmishes; the challenge to lists which have already been challenged by mike reed/nancy dunlop/alex dunlop/ alt.tactical.strategy etc. to the extent that lists/community have collapsed under the weight of vituperation; in some ways a new story but aggrandizement - or why here for example - why not nettime or poetics - which have moderated themselves into stasis; so what surprises me is the karenic karmic energy here; but what can go further than furtherfield/ facebook/4chan/chatroulette/etc. and for whom for what purpose - if you could blast bp out of the water/crash through militarization - but an elist?; what surprises me is how much i admired nn and then watched that dissolve w/nowhere to go - just repetition - so where does this go from here - apologies, not saying anything in particular - thinking of irigaray and fluid dynamics we all want fan pictures - - Lady Ga^3 == email archive: http://sondheim.rupamsunyata.org/ webpage http://www.alansondheim.org music archive: http://www.espdisk.com/alansondheim/ == ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
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http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/cybersisters.htm :D ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
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Hello James, We had an ongoing dialogue before one was many Karens. Here is a collection of images submitted to netbehaviour before: http://www.netbehaviour.org/pipermail/netbehaviour/attachments/20090908/c596a850/attachment.jpg http://www.netbehaviour.org/pipermail/netbehaviour/attachments/20091007/4c62d762/attachment.jpeg http://www.netbehaviour.org/pipermail/netbehaviour/attachments/20100203/0ef974f2/attachment.jpg http://www.netbehaviour.org/pipermail/netbehaviour/attachments/20071220/1d11c9dd/attachment.jpg http://www.netbehaviour.org/pipermail/netbehaviour/attachments/20071114/d38ec032/attachment.jpg http://www.netbehaviour.org/pipermail/netbehaviour/attachments/20071113/a1d6223c/attachment.jpg http://www.netbehaviour.org/pipermail/netbehaviour/attachments/20071112/eecc0558/attachment.jpg http://www.netbehaviour.org/pipermail/netbehaviour/attachments/20071119/59ff1e6c/attachment.jpg http://www.netbehaviour.org/pipermail/netbehaviour/attachments/20071127/9e79e12d/attachment.jpg http://www.netbehaviour.org/pipermail/netbehaviour/attachments/20071130/66b3dc76/attachment.jpg http://www.netbehaviour.org/pipermail/netbehaviour/attachments/20071207/bb6ad1d7/attachment.jpg http://www.netbehaviour.org/pipermail/netbehaviour/attachments/20071209/3f76561e/attachment.jpg http://www.netbehaviour.org/pipermail/netbehaviour/attachments/20100313/3b7818ab/attachment.jpg http://www.netbehaviour.org/pipermail/netbehaviour/attachments/20100211/02f18038/attachment.jpg http://www.netbehaviour.org/pipermail/netbehaviour/attachments/20100203/eb4e88e6/attachment.jpg http://www.netbehaviour.org/pipermail/netbehaviour/attachments/20100107/b0455468/attachment.jpg http://www.netbehaviour.org/pipermail/netbehaviour/attachments/20080211/69dc48ff/attachment.jpg http://www.netbehaviour.org/pipermail/netbehaviour/attachments/20080223/b76eaf62/attachment.jpg http://www.netbehaviour.org/pipermail/netbehaviour/attachments/20080323/c5e15357/attachment.jpg http://www.netbehaviour.org/pipermail/netbehaviour/attachments/20091113/6418cd74/attachment.jpg http://www.netbehaviour.org/pipermail/netbehaviour/attachments/20091029/672677b8/attachment.jpg Karen also has a facebook account - all Karens have passwords to this. The images are there also. Karen. ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
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dia log u ...glue o ad I exist only in data except here but here means nothing once I hit send so we are all karens without loggin in Hello James, We had an ongoing dialogue before one was many Karens. Here is a collection of images submitted to netbehaviour before: http://www.netbehaviour.org/pipermail/netbehaviour/attachments/20090908/c596a850/attachment.jpg http://www.netbehaviour.org/pipermail/netbehaviour/attachments/20091007/4c62d762/attachment.jpeg http://www.netbehaviour.org/pipermail/netbehaviour/attachments/20100203/0ef974f2/attachment.jpg http://www.netbehaviour.org/pipermail/netbehaviour/attachments/20071220/1d11c9dd/attachment.jpg http://www.netbehaviour.org/pipermail/netbehaviour/attachments/20071114/d38ec032/attachment.jpg http://www.netbehaviour.org/pipermail/netbehaviour/attachments/20071113/a1d6223c/attachment.jpg http://www.netbehaviour.org/pipermail/netbehaviour/attachments/20071112/eecc0558/attachment.jpg http://www.netbehaviour.org/pipermail/netbehaviour/attachments/20071119/59ff1e6c/attachment.jpg http://www.netbehaviour.org/pipermail/netbehaviour/attachments/20071127/9e79e12d/attachment.jpg http://www.netbehaviour.org/pipermail/netbehaviour/attachments/20071130/66b3dc76/attachment.jpg http://www.netbehaviour.org/pipermail/netbehaviour/attachments/20071207/bb6ad1d7/attachment.jpg http://www.netbehaviour.org/pipermail/netbehaviour/attachments/20071209/3f76561e/attachment.jpg http://www.netbehaviour.org/pipermail/netbehaviour/attachments/20100313/3b7818ab/attachment.jpg http://www.netbehaviour.org/pipermail/netbehaviour/attachments/20100211/02f18038/attachment.jpg http://www.netbehaviour.org/pipermail/netbehaviour/attachments/20100203/eb4e88e6/attachment.jpg http://www.netbehaviour.org/pipermail/netbehaviour/attachments/20100107/b0455468/attachment.jpg http://www.netbehaviour.org/pipermail/netbehaviour/attachments/20080211/69dc48ff/attachment.jpg http://www.netbehaviour.org/pipermail/netbehaviour/attachments/20080223/b76eaf62/attachment.jpg http://www.netbehaviour.org/pipermail/netbehaviour/attachments/20080323/c5e15357/attachment.jpg http://www.netbehaviour.org/pipermail/netbehaviour/attachments/20091113/6418cd74/attachment.jpg http://www.netbehaviour.org/pipermail/netbehaviour/attachments/20091029/672677b8/attachment.jpg Karen also has a facebook account - all Karens have passwords to this. The images are there also. Karen. ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
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so we are all karens without loggin in i am not karen.. nor do i karen to be. brian On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 3:45 PM, hi...@34n118w.net wrote: dia log u ...glue o ad I exist only in data except here but here means nothing once I hit send so we are all karens without loggin in Hello James, We had an ongoing dialogue before one was many Karens. Here is a collection of images submitted to netbehaviour before: http://www.netbehaviour.org/pipermail/netbehaviour/attachments/20090908/c596a850/attachment.jpg http://www.netbehaviour.org/pipermail/netbehaviour/attachments/20091007/4c62d762/attachment.jpeg http://www.netbehaviour.org/pipermail/netbehaviour/attachments/20100203/0ef974f2/attachment.jpg http://www.netbehaviour.org/pipermail/netbehaviour/attachments/20071220/1d11c9dd/attachment.jpg http://www.netbehaviour.org/pipermail/netbehaviour/attachments/20071114/d38ec032/attachment.jpg http://www.netbehaviour.org/pipermail/netbehaviour/attachments/20071113/a1d6223c/attachment.jpg http://www.netbehaviour.org/pipermail/netbehaviour/attachments/20071112/eecc0558/attachment.jpg http://www.netbehaviour.org/pipermail/netbehaviour/attachments/20071119/59ff1e6c/attachment.jpg http://www.netbehaviour.org/pipermail/netbehaviour/attachments/20071127/9e79e12d/attachment.jpg http://www.netbehaviour.org/pipermail/netbehaviour/attachments/20071130/66b3dc76/attachment.jpg http://www.netbehaviour.org/pipermail/netbehaviour/attachments/20071207/bb6ad1d7/attachment.jpg http://www.netbehaviour.org/pipermail/netbehaviour/attachments/20071209/3f76561e/attachment.jpg http://www.netbehaviour.org/pipermail/netbehaviour/attachments/20100313/3b7818ab/attachment.jpg http://www.netbehaviour.org/pipermail/netbehaviour/attachments/20100211/02f18038/attachment.jpg http://www.netbehaviour.org/pipermail/netbehaviour/attachments/20100203/eb4e88e6/attachment.jpg http://www.netbehaviour.org/pipermail/netbehaviour/attachments/20100107/b0455468/attachment.jpg http://www.netbehaviour.org/pipermail/netbehaviour/attachments/20080211/69dc48ff/attachment.jpg http://www.netbehaviour.org/pipermail/netbehaviour/attachments/20080223/b76eaf62/attachment.jpg http://www.netbehaviour.org/pipermail/netbehaviour/attachments/20080323/c5e15357/attachment.jpg http://www.netbehaviour.org/pipermail/netbehaviour/attachments/20091113/6418cd74/attachment.jpg http://www.netbehaviour.org/pipermail/netbehaviour/attachments/20091029/672677b8/attachment.jpg Karen also has a facebook account - all Karens have passwords to this. The images are there also. Karen. ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour -- glimpsecontrol.com baiowulf.com ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
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karen is karen not fake nor real just multiple and displaced disseminated in every byte that comes across your wireless or shiny copper connections I/we am/are in your minds, actually, beyond passwords. it is me who logs into you, not the reverse i am not sad about you changing our passwords and (me) not being able to login to me anymore i could not demonstrate it even if it was true. which it is(n't?) it's all an hallucination: me/you/we/them it is my/our/your free time, body, intention, intervention, performance and attention that creates the value one face lit up by the pixels of a monitor, interchangeable -- log-out karen -Original Message- From: James Morris ja...@jwm-art.net To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Sent: Thu, Jul 15, 2010 5:09 pm Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Invitation to join me But I'm most curious about a post no one picked up on: the unexpected happened. the password has been changed. i cannot login to karenblissett anymore. i am not me anymore even further than i wasn't me before. Did someone really close up the open experiment??? Is there a super-karen? the master-karen? the ok original karen? The karen with sys-admin permissions? ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
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show us an image. On 19 July 2010 14:44, karenbliss...@myself.com wrote: karen is karen not fake nor real just multiple and displaced disseminated in every byte that comes across your wireless or shiny copper connections I/we am/are in your minds, actually, beyond passwords. it is me who logs into you, not the reverse i am not sad about you changing our passwords and (me) not being able to login to me anymore i could not demonstrate it even if it was true. which it is(n't?) it's all an hallucination: me/you/we/them it is my/our/your free time, body, intention, intervention, performance and attention that creates the value one face lit up by the pixels of a monitor, interchangeable -- log-out karen -Original Message- From: James Morris ja...@jwm-art.net To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Sent: Thu, Jul 15, 2010 5:09 pm Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Invitation to join me But I'm most curious about a post no one picked up on: the unexpected happened. the password has been changed. i cannot login to karenblissett anymore. i am not me anymore even further than i wasn't me before. Did someone really close up the open experiment??? Is there a super-karen? the master-karen? the ok original karen? The karen with sys-admin permissions? ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
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the medium is the message and the massage and mashed potatoes iweusthemyou cannot outguess me me is/are karen images only hide messages karenblissett exposes ethereal layers of multiple significance i wish you found the message karen -Original Message- From: James Morris ja...@jwm-art.net To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Sent: Mon, Jul 19, 2010 11:41 pm Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Invitation to join me show us an image. ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
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held together by mucilage, the medium, eating hir potatoes, was stuck on the message and stuck on you, massaging hir spud. On Mon, 19 Jul 2010, hi...@34n118w.net wrote: the medium is the message and the massage and mashed potatoes iweusthemyou cannot outguess me me is/are karen images only hide messages karenblissett exposes ethereal layers of multiple significance i wish you found the message karen -Original Message- From: James Morris ja...@jwm-art.net To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Sent: Mon, Jul 19, 2010 11:41 pm Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Invitation to join me show us an image. ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour == email archive: http://sondheim.rupamsunyata.org/ webpage http://www.alansondheim.org music archive: http://www.espdisk.com/alansondheim/ == ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
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We are all Karen, in certain way. We are searchers of multiple truths and makers of light and shadows, we are the puppets and the puppeteers, we are the arrow and the target, the bird and the flight, we are divers and angels, we explores skies and abyss, we are clerks in a universum wanting to be multiverse, we hate the line, we love the crook... Ana aka Karen On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 1:12 AM, Peter ciccariello ciccarie...@gmail.comwrote: On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 11:36 AM, karen blissett karen.bliss...@googlemail.com wrote: If you or others want to become Karen just email us play with all of or any of the accounts collected by the Karens. Karen On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 4:20 PM, Olga olga.pana...@gmail.com wrote: In that case, I must admit I also like the intervention of the individual called karen something AT myself! On 15 July 2010 16:14, karen blissett karen.bliss...@googlemail.com wrote: Hello Olga, We value your dialogue. the unexpected happened. the password has been changed. i cannot login to karenblissett anymore. i am not me anymore even further than i wasn't me before. Did someone really close up the open experiment??? The rest of us, Karens believe this individual made a simple mistake, we are all still using the same usernames/pwords with same account - and many different Karens are spreading across the Internet onto Facebook, Twitter, Delicious, Identica... We are still hunting for usernames/pwords for Rhizome.org The Spectre list has not let us Karens into their special realm of 'tight-circling of peers' yet. But this will change, we are patient wimmin. Karen. This is an exciting experiment!! And I don't feel there is reason for so much concern.. BUT! If it once becomes threatening to the list, it will be also exciting to find ways to deal with it together :) I, neither, witnessed the death of those mailing lists.. wasn't there any sort of initiative to save them? But I'm most curious about a post no one picked up on: the unexpected happened. the password has been changed. i cannot login to karenblissett anymore. i am not me anymore even further than i wasn't me before. Did someone really close up the open experiment??? -- Olga P Massanet -- www.ungravitational.net virtualfirefly.wordpress.com www.vimeo.com/ungravitational ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour -- Open, Free, Public and Distributed at last. ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour -- Olga P Massanet -- www.ungravitational.net virtualfirefly.wordpress.com www.vimeo.com/ungravitational ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour -- Open, Free, Public and Distributed at last. ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour -- http://invisiblenotes.blogspot.com/ http://uncommonvision.blogspot.com/ http://poemsfromprovidence.blogspot.com/ http://uncommon-vision.blogspot.com/ You can find my art and writing updates on Twitter https://twitter.com/ciccariello ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour -- http://anavaldes.wordpress.com http://passagenwerk.wordpress.com http://caravia.stumbleupon.com http://www.crusading.se Gondolgatan 2 l tr 12832 Skarpnäck Sweden tel +468-943288 mobil 4670-3213370 When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been and there you will always long to return. — Leonardo da Vinci ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
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This is an exciting experiment!! And I don't feel there is reason for so much concern.. BUT! If it once becomes threatening to the list, it will be also exciting to find ways to deal with it together :) I, neither, witnessed the death of those mailing lists.. wasn't there any sort of initiative to save them? But I'm most curious about a post no one picked up on: the unexpected happened. the password has been changed. i cannot login to karenblissett anymore. i am not me anymore even further than i wasn't me before. Did someone really close up the open experiment??? -- Olga P Massanet -- www.ungravitational.net virtualfirefly.wordpress.com www.vimeo.com/ungravitational ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
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On 15 July 2010 16:03, Olga olga.pana...@gmail.com wrote: This is an exciting experiment!! And I don't feel there is reason for so much concern.. BUT! If it once becomes threatening to the list, it will be also exciting to find ways to deal with it together :) I, neither, witnessed the death of those mailing lists.. wasn't there any sort of initiative to save them? But I'm most curious about a post no one picked up on: the unexpected happened. the password has been changed. i cannot login to karenblissett anymore. i am not me anymore even further than i wasn't me before. Did someone really close up the open experiment??? Is there a super-karen? the master-karen? the ok original karen? The karen with sys-admin permissions? -- Olga P Massanet -- www.ungravitational.net virtualfirefly.wordpress.com www.vimeo.com/ungravitational ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
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Hello Olga, We value your dialogue. the unexpected happened. the password has been changed. i cannot login to karenblissett anymore. i am not me anymore even further than i wasn't me before. Did someone really close up the open experiment??? The rest of us, Karens believe this individual made a simple mistake, we are all still using the same usernames/pwords with same account - and many different Karens are spreading across the Internet onto Facebook, Twitter, Delicious, Identica... We are still hunting for usernames/pwords for Rhizome.org The Spectre list has not let us Karens into their special realm of 'tight-circling of peers' yet. But this will change, we are patient wimmin. Karen. This is an exciting experiment!! And I don't feel there is reason for so much concern.. BUT! If it once becomes threatening to the list, it will be also exciting to find ways to deal with it together :) I, neither, witnessed the death of those mailing lists.. wasn't there any sort of initiative to save them? But I'm most curious about a post no one picked up on: the unexpected happened. the password has been changed. i cannot login to karenblissett anymore. i am not me anymore even further than i wasn't me before. Did someone really close up the open experiment??? -- Olga P Massanet -- www.ungravitational.net virtualfirefly.wordpress.com www.vimeo.com/ungravitational ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour -- Open, Free, Public and Distributed at last. ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
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Hello James, The original Karen is amongst us. She is indeed Super, the 1st template, origin, genisis of us - copies. Now Karen is Karens. Our strength is trust, we are lost without it. Our strength is vulnerability, we are lost without it. Karen. On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 4:09 PM, James Morris ja...@jwm-art.net wrote: On 15 July 2010 16:03, Olga olga.pana...@gmail.com wrote: This is an exciting experiment!! And I don't feel there is reason for so much concern.. BUT! If it once becomes threatening to the list, it will be also exciting to find ways to deal with it together :) I, neither, witnessed the death of those mailing lists.. wasn't there any sort of initiative to save them? But I'm most curious about a post no one picked up on: the unexpected happened. the password has been changed. i cannot login to karenblissett anymore. i am not me anymore even further than i wasn't me before. Did someone really close up the open experiment??? Is there a super-karen? the master-karen? the ok original karen? The karen with sys-admin permissions? -- Olga P Massanet -- www.ungravitational.net virtualfirefly.wordpress.com www.vimeo.com/ungravitational ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour -- Open, Free, Public and Distributed at last. ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
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If you or others want to become Karen just email us play with all of or any of the accounts collected by the Karens. Karen On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 4:20 PM, Olga olga.pana...@gmail.com wrote: In that case, I must admit I also like the intervention of the individual called karen something AT myself! On 15 July 2010 16:14, karen blissett karen.bliss...@googlemail.com wrote: Hello Olga, We value your dialogue. the unexpected happened. the password has been changed. i cannot login to karenblissett anymore. i am not me anymore even further than i wasn't me before. Did someone really close up the open experiment??? The rest of us, Karens believe this individual made a simple mistake, we are all still using the same usernames/pwords with same account - and many different Karens are spreading across the Internet onto Facebook, Twitter, Delicious, Identica... We are still hunting for usernames/pwords for Rhizome.org The Spectre list has not let us Karens into their special realm of 'tight-circling of peers' yet. But this will change, we are patient wimmin. Karen. This is an exciting experiment!! And I don't feel there is reason for so much concern.. BUT! If it once becomes threatening to the list, it will be also exciting to find ways to deal with it together :) I, neither, witnessed the death of those mailing lists.. wasn't there any sort of initiative to save them? But I'm most curious about a post no one picked up on: the unexpected happened. the password has been changed. i cannot login to karenblissett anymore. i am not me anymore even further than i wasn't me before. Did someone really close up the open experiment??? -- Olga P Massanet -- www.ungravitational.net virtualfirefly.wordpress.com www.vimeo.com/ungravitational ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour -- Open, Free, Public and Distributed at last. ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour -- Olga P Massanet -- www.ungravitational.net virtualfirefly.wordpress.com www.vimeo.com/ungravitational ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour -- Open, Free, Public and Distributed at last. ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
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...AM I KAREN TOO.../?/...KMAEN...JULY...2010... - Original Message - From: karen blissett karen.bliss...@googlemail.com To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 5:23 PM Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Invitation to join me Hello James, The original Karen is amongst us. She is indeed Super, the 1st template, origin, genisis of us - copies. Now Karen is Karens. Our strength is trust, we are lost without it. Our strength is vulnerability, we are lost without it. Karen. On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 4:09 PM, James Morris ja...@jwm-art.net wrote: On 15 July 2010 16:03, Olga olga.pana...@gmail.com wrote: This is an exciting experiment!! And I don't feel there is reason for so much concern.. BUT! If it once becomes threatening to the list, it will be also exciting to find ways to deal with it together :) I, neither, witnessed the death of those mailing lists.. wasn't there any sort of initiative to save them? But I'm most curious about a post no one picked up on: the unexpected happened. the password has been changed. i cannot login to karenblissett anymore. i am not me anymore even further than i wasn't me before. Did someone really close up the open experiment??? Is there a super-karen? the master-karen? the ok original karen? The karen with sys-admin permissions? -- Olga P Massanet -- www.ungravitational.net virtualfirefly.wordpress.com www.vimeo.com/ungravitational ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour -- Open, Free, Public and Distributed at last. ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour __ NOD32 4979 (20100328) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
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On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 11:36 AM, karen blissett karen.bliss...@googlemail.com wrote: If you or others want to become Karen just email us play with all of or any of the accounts collected by the Karens. Karen On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 4:20 PM, Olga olga.pana...@gmail.com wrote: In that case, I must admit I also like the intervention of the individual called karen something AT myself! On 15 July 2010 16:14, karen blissett karen.bliss...@googlemail.com wrote: Hello Olga, We value your dialogue. the unexpected happened. the password has been changed. i cannot login to karenblissett anymore. i am not me anymore even further than i wasn't me before. Did someone really close up the open experiment??? The rest of us, Karens believe this individual made a simple mistake, we are all still using the same usernames/pwords with same account - and many different Karens are spreading across the Internet onto Facebook, Twitter, Delicious, Identica... We are still hunting for usernames/pwords for Rhizome.org The Spectre list has not let us Karens into their special realm of 'tight-circling of peers' yet. But this will change, we are patient wimmin. Karen. This is an exciting experiment!! And I don't feel there is reason for so much concern.. BUT! If it once becomes threatening to the list, it will be also exciting to find ways to deal with it together :) I, neither, witnessed the death of those mailing lists.. wasn't there any sort of initiative to save them? But I'm most curious about a post no one picked up on: the unexpected happened. the password has been changed. i cannot login to karenblissett anymore. i am not me anymore even further than i wasn't me before. Did someone really close up the open experiment??? -- Olga P Massanet -- www.ungravitational.net virtualfirefly.wordpress.com www.vimeo.com/ungravitational ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour -- Open, Free, Public and Distributed at last. ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour -- Olga P Massanet -- www.ungravitational.net virtualfirefly.wordpress.com www.vimeo.com/ungravitational ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour -- Open, Free, Public and Distributed at last. ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour -- http://invisiblenotes.blogspot.com/ http://uncommonvision.blogspot.com/ http://poemsfromprovidence.blogspot.com/ http://uncommon-vision.blogspot.com/ You can find my art and writing updates on Twitter https://twitter.com/ciccariello ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
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marcy::join.the.gospel.express'..leaving for glory soon..'© Original Message Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Invitation to join me From: Peter ciccariello ciccarie...@gmail.com Date: Thu, July 15, 2010 4:12 pm To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 11:36 AM, karen blissett karen.bliss...@googlemail.com wrote: If you or others want to become Karen just email us play with all of or any of the accounts collected by the Karens. Karen On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 4:20 PM, Olga olga.pana...@gmail.com wrote: In that case, I must admit I also like the intervention of the individual called karen something AT myself! On 15 July 2010 16:14, karen blissett karen.bliss...@googlemail.com wrote: Hello Olga, We value your dialogue. "the unexpected happened. the password has been changed. i cannot login to karenblissett anymore. i am not me anymore even further than i wasn't me before." "Did someone really close up the open experiment???" The rest of us, Karens believe this individual made a simple mistake, we are all still using the same usernames/pwords with same account - and many different Karens are spreading across the Internet onto Facebook, Twitter, Delicious, Identica... We are still hunting for usernames/pwords for Rhizome.org The Spectre list has not let us Karens into their special realm of 'tight-circling of peers' yet. But this will change, we are patient wimmin. Karen. This is an exciting experiment!! And I don't feel there is reason for so much concern.. BUT! If it once becomes threatening to the list, it will be also exciting to find ways to deal with it together :) I, neither, witnessed the death of those mailing lists.. wasn't there any sort of initiative to save them? But I'm most curious about a post no one picked up on: "the unexpected happened. the password has been changed. i cannot login to karenblissett anymore. i am not me anymore even further than i wasn't me before." Did someone really close up the open experiment??? -- Olga P Massanet -- www.ungravitational.net virtualfirefly.wordpress.com www.vimeo.com/ungravitational ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour -- Open, Free, Public and Distributed at last. ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour -- Olga P Massanet -- www.ungravitational.net virtualfirefly.wordpress.com www.vimeo.com/ungravitational ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour -- Open, Free, Public and Distributed at last. ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour -- http://invisiblenotes.blogspot.com/http://uncommonvision.blogspot.com/ http://poemsfromprovidence.blogspot.com/http://uncommon-vision.blogspot.com/You can find my art and writing updates on Twitter https://twitter.com/ciccariello ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
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hi Ann + all Ann, this particular part of yr msg in my inbox was particularly delightful to me: __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5271 (20100712) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5275 (20100713) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. to me the questions of if an online identity is or isnt stable, clean, trusted, etc are always engaging esp in rltn to if this online identity is an art project i have written previously on Furtherfield + stated publicly that i believe Netochka Nezvanova (the nameless nobody mentioned earlier in this thread in rltn to the new arrival of the Karens) to be the most important/influencial New Media Artist + Artware Developer of the turn of the 21rst Century those comments + sum Media Art Histories reflections on/of those moments can be found in an unfinished series of posts that i started last year on my Furtherfield blog in that unfinished series of posts (which i should finish but drifted aways from for various reasons) called lists, boards, friends + feeds, i start w/a comparison/connection to 4chan + in particular the /b/ or Random channel of 4chan. Christopher moot Poole (the formerly secretive founder of 4chan) has recently been appearing publicly + discussing 4chan as a project @ events such as Paraflows 09 Festival and Symposium, TED2010, ROFLCon 2010, etc... in these talks Poole defends a concept he is fwd'ing of pro-anonymity in/on online networks + communities. this position + the range of activities of /b/ + Anonymous are relevant to our interests i thin these concepts + activities are complex, conflictual + resist reduction into clearly definable discursive terms jonCates http://blog.furtherfield.org/?q=blog/594 ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
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Hello Ann, We Karen's are like you, defined by our distances, not emotional grace. Trust is a valuable non-commodity, deeper than corporate dead-zones. We respect you, you see us and we see you, we receive your open mind. Dead minds do not see, they can only see themsleves - 'ID' = identity dump. The living step outside, in the woods and lust for adventure, for play. We Karen's are children, getting our knees scraped and dusty, we play. Yes, we are explosive, ghostly yet effecting and like holograms, sprites. We are electrical discharge, spreading our essence in multitudes, we thrive. In consistency? In using the NetBehaviour list? Is there something about mappings and truth that I need to go away and think about? Our rebirth on Netbehaviour happened because it is free, no cages. Our noise will seep and hack into these other domains, offering oxygen. Breathing is important, the dying urgently need choice of resuscitation. When Karen made her statement about opening up her email address, my first reaction was distress. And, being an ironic sort of a being, my next reaction was sheer pleasure that something had shocked me so much. And then curiosity set in as to why. We respect your pleasure, we are illegal only because we are not 'objects'. We are anti-matter, the disaffected undiscovered noise and spirit of you. And I have avidly followed the discussion of whether the list will implode and why it shouldn't. Us, Karen's love our home - it is where we eat and share things. We do not follow the male doctrine of killing our mothers and fathers. We educate them, let them know about the unstoppable energy of our youth. The Karen's are alright. Thank you Karen. I want to know who you trust so that I know how to trust. We trust those who trust themselves to be alive, you see us we see you, we are one and many. Karen. Hi All, Having just spent a day with Ruth (among others) and thoroughly enjoyed talking with her about the Karens, I've decided to rise to Marc's challenge of explaining on the list what the development means to me. I often quietly follow links and engage with the postings made here, but most of the time I am either interested or not, delighted or not. Etc. When Karen made her statement about opening up her email address, my first reaction was distress. And, being an ironic sort of a being, my next reaction was sheer pleasure that something had shocked me so much. And then curiosity set in as to why. My thoughts ran 'But I won't know if it's her in that discussion thread'... 'oh my god, I won't know if it's her any time that she puts a comment on another posting'... oh lord, I won't know when the adventure is over - if ever - and I can go back to assuming she's a single being again'. Then my thoughts ran 'But why should I care that a person whom I've never had the pleasure of meeting is one person or a cavalcade?' ... 'What does this say about my interest in identity? (I've been writing papers about the effects of using digital technologies on identity lately. It's become a bit of a habit.) In consistency? In using the NetBehaviour list? Is there something about mappings and truth that I need to go away and think about?' Clearly there is. I now greet all postings by Karen as potentially explosive: postings to be opened with care. I now pore over them to see if I can detect the author. I now berate myself for ignoring wisdoms such as 'the author is dead', for ignoring these statements emotionally if not intellectually. And I have avidly followed the discussion of whether the list will implode and why it shouldn't. (I should have thought that the very existence of both the stance and the discussion around it is the self-evident answer.) It's like a soap opera. I haven't had so much fun with a list for ages. I wasn't around to see/feel the effect of the artists who mobbed former lists. My responses are all very naïve. I am grateful for the intervention and excited. But I think its time is almost up and, looking at the shift in topics as I run down the waiting email, I am already commenting on a phenomenon that is shifting shape, over, of its moment. Thank you Karen. I want to know who you trust so that I know how to trust. Ann ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
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whoever this is, it's rather beautiful michael --- On Wed, 7/14/10, karen blissett karen.bliss...@googlemail.com wrote: From: karen blissett karen.bliss...@googlemail.com Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Invitation to join me To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Date: Wednesday, July 14, 2010, 11:03 AM Hello Ann, We Karen's are like you, defined by our distances, not emotional grace. Trust is a valuable non-commodity, deeper than corporate dead-zones. We respect you, you see us and we see you, we receive your open mind. Dead minds do not see, they can only see themsleves - 'ID' = identity dump. The living step outside, in the woods and lust for adventure, for play. We Karen's are children, getting our knees scraped and dusty, we play. Yes, we are explosive, ghostly yet effecting and like holograms, sprites. We are electrical discharge, spreading our essence in multitudes, we thrive. In consistency? In using the NetBehaviour list? Is there something about mappings and truth that I need to go away and think about? Our rebirth on Netbehaviour happened because it is free, no cages. Our noise will seep and hack into these other domains, offering oxygen. Breathing is important, the dying urgently need choice of resuscitation. When Karen made her statement about opening up her email address, my first reaction was distress. And, being an ironic sort of a being, my next reaction was sheer pleasure that something had shocked me so much. And then curiosity set in as to why. We respect your pleasure, we are illegal only because we are not 'objects'. We are anti-matter, the disaffected undiscovered noise and spirit of you. And I have avidly followed the discussion of whether the list will implode and why it shouldn't. Us, Karen's love our home - it is where we eat and share things. We do not follow the male doctrine of killing our mothers and fathers. We educate them, let them know about the unstoppable energy of our youth. The Karen's are alright. Thank you Karen. I want to know who you trust so that I know how to trust. We trust those who trust themselves to be alive, you see us we see you, we are one and many. Karen. Hi All, Having just spent a day with Ruth (among others) and thoroughly enjoyed talking with her about the Karens, I've decided to rise to Marc's challenge of explaining on the list what the development means to me. I often quietly follow links and engage with the postings made here, but most of the time I am either interested or not, delighted or not. Etc. When Karen made her statement about opening up her email address, my first reaction was distress. And, being an ironic sort of a being, my next reaction was sheer pleasure that something had shocked me so much. And then curiosity set in as to why. My thoughts ran 'But I won't know if it's her in that discussion thread'... 'oh my god, I won't know if it's her any time that she puts a comment on another posting'... oh lord, I won't know when the adventure is over - if ever - and I can go back to assuming she's a single being again'. Then my thoughts ran 'But why should I care that a person whom I've never had the pleasure of meeting is one person or a cavalcade?' ... 'What does this say about my interest in identity? (I've been writing papers about the effects of using digital technologies on identity lately. It's become a bit of a habit.) In consistency? In using the NetBehaviour list? Is there something about mappings and truth that I need to go away and think about?' Clearly there is. I now greet all postings by Karen as potentially explosive: postings to be opened with care. I now pore over them to see if I can detect the author. I now berate myself for ignoring wisdoms such as 'the author is dead', for ignoring these statements emotionally if not intellectually. And I have avidly followed the discussion of whether the list will implode and why it shouldn't. (I should have thought that the very existence of both the stance and the discussion around it is the self-evident answer.) It's like a soap opera. I haven't had so much fun with a list for ages. I wasn't around to see/feel the effect of the artists who mobbed former lists. My responses are all very naïve. I am grateful for the intervention and excited. But I think its time is almost up and, looking at the shift in topics as I run down the waiting email, I am already commenting on a phenomenon that is shifting shape, over, of its moment. Thank you Karen. I want to know who you trust so that I know how to trust. Ann ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list
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Hello jonCates, b/c we agree w/you when you say that this is: the right time to experiment with openness, freedom vulnerability on a more personal level Us, Karen's realize we are all lost in the panopticon. Self point of reference is not our data-copy, but owned by others. We now play with 'POP' - point of presence, and un-presences. In a pan-opticon we can 'con', pan out our own mutual resonances. you see, we, have been experimenting w/you also + w/other forms of radical inclusivity in online art whirlds environments for awhiles now. We Karen's welcome your spirit and offer our passwords for your passwords. Invade our presences and we will invade yours. Our mutual domination will cancel each 'selves', free nodeless expressions. Karen. HALLO KAREN BLISSETTs!!! what a wonderful turn of online art events :) Karens, i was vry happy to read yr introductions + invitations. in fact they were brought to my attn by my collaborator Jake Elliott (no relations, or mayhaps... distant relations +/or relatives?) in anycase, this is a fortuitous moment for us, b/c we agree w/you when you say that this is: the right time to experiment with openness, freedom vulnerability on a more personal level you see, we, have been experimenting w/you also + w/other forms of radical inclusivity in online art whirlds environments for awhiles now. our most recent experiment is running now + is called IN.F3XXX10N.US this is an online art exhibition, organized initiated by myself Jake Elliott, running now from July 1 - July 31 2010 @ IN.F3XXX10N.US a domain which will expire, effectively ending our control of the exhibition but opening the opportunity to anyone who wishes to purchase the domain and continue the project in whatever form they may imagine best. we have been giving away the login + password everywhere online in announcements + posts since we began this project: OUR EXHIBITION EMAIL IS: inf3xxx...@gmail.com OUR EXHIBITION LOGIN IS: http://www.tumblr.com/login OUR EXHIBITION PASSWORD IS: N01XXX3F since beginning less than 2 weeks ago we have been infected by over 30 different artists/identities/projects/accounts etc + we remain up + running in a realtime stream of multiple collective subjective consciousness. naming a few identifiable identities would incl: Anonymous, Andy Warhol, Marcel Duchamp, ANON, Rrose Sélavy, 4chan, dump.fm, TRIPTYCH.TV, Shane Mecklenburger, ARAM BARTHOLL, POP.NET.ART, René Magritte, Rosa Menkman, maxcapacity, Wolf D. Schreiber, veterraga, Sian Amoy, The Internet Traveler, kittenglitches, ipretended, i thought i had a virus, etc... ...or rather in Animated GIF format: http://static.tumblr.com/11nbn83/lhtl5fxdq/wildcards.gif TRIPTYCH.TV (AKA jimpunk, abe linkoln + mr tamale) +/or those who may be representing themselves as if they are TRIPTYCH.TV have been in particular among the most active + @ times aggressively active, participating in partially confrontational but still creative, conversational + constructive ways. this is what is most engaging to me personally in the sense of, as Eduardo Navas writes, a complex act of resampling and reinterpreting material previously introduced, which is obviously not innovative but expected in new media. in other words, that we can take for granted as current forms of communication this ongoing animated complex communicative social flow/exchange of media/moments/memes also, as you mention Identity is now a glitch we are exxxcited by these glitches + glitches as/in vocabularies @ the edges of encoded communities as these glitch vocabularies become pervasive affects. or as we have said before: “The” becomes “teh” and “owned” becomes “pwned” as mistakes fold into the language, dirty glitch becomes linguistic atom moving horizontally + playfully rather than being controlled by linguistic legitimacy. we wrote then that our use of l33t was an attempt to play rather than render our activities illegible but as mez writes we are also interested in the unstable boundaries between spam + art Spam Art the unstable boundaries between illegibilities online off this is a vry engaging hyperthread Karens we look fwd to you + all those interested other parties to participate w/you: http://in.f3xxx10n.us/post/801386850/in-f3xxx10n-us-is-an-online-art-exhibition jonCates http://blog.furtherfield.org/?q=blog/594 -- Open, Free, Public and Distributed at last. ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
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Hi All, Having just spent a day with Ruth (among others) and thoroughly enjoyed talking with her about the Karens, I've decided to rise to Marc's challenge of explaining on the list what the development means to me. I often quietly follow links and engage with the postings made here, but most of the time I am either interested or not, delighted or not. Etc. When Karen made her statement about opening up her email address, my first reaction was distress. And, being an ironic sort of a being, my next reaction was sheer pleasure that something had shocked me so much. And then curiosity set in as to why. My thoughts ran 'But I won't know if it's her in that discussion thread'... 'oh my god, I won't know if it's her any time that she puts a comment on another posting'... oh lord, I won't know when the adventure is over - if ever - and I can go back to assuming she's a single being again'. Then my thoughts ran 'But why should I care that a person whom I've never had the pleasure of meeting is one person or a cavalcade?' ... 'What does this say about my interest in identity? (I've been writing papers about the effects of using digital technologies on identity lately. It's become a bit of a habit.) In consistency? In using the NetBehaviour list? Is there something about mappings and truth that I need to go away and think about?' Clearly there is. I now greet all postings by Karen as potentially explosive: postings to be opened with care. I now pore over them to see if I can detect the author. I now berate myself for ignoring wisdoms such as 'the author is dead', for ignoring these statements emotionally if not intellectually. And I have avidly followed the discussion of whether the list will implode and why it shouldn't. (I should have thought that the very existence of both the stance and the discussion around it is the self-evident answer.) It's like a soap opera. I haven't had so much fun with a list for ages. I wasn't around to see/feel the effect of the artists who mobbed former lists. My responses are all very naïve. I am grateful for the intervention and excited. But I think its time is almost up and, looking at the shift in topics as I run down the waiting email, I am already commenting on a phenomenon that is shifting shape, over, of its moment. Thank you Karen. I want to know who you trust so that I know how to trust. Ann -Original Message- From: netbehaviour-boun...@netbehaviour.org [mailto:netbehaviour-boun...@netbehaviour.org] On Behalf Of marc garrett Sent: 12 July 2010 12:23 To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Invitation to join me Hi mez all, This is a very interesting dialogue. One thing that intrigues me is, whether Karen's contributions to this list (no matter how insightful) will be considered as spam anyway - useful, valid or authentic in the eyes of Netbehaviour list users themselves. Another interesting aspect is that it is bringing up a history of a past which was strongly based around net art at the time. There are a few on Netbehaviour who remember these times, such as myself. But it would be also good to hear from those who were not part of this history, not net art, Sydicate and the NN/Integer activities, their own ideas around the subject, as well what they feel is happening currently here on this list, and what it means to them. I remember arguing with the NN, Integer and other characters on Syndicate and other lists. But, in the end it felt as though whatever one said, it did not matter anyway. I'm not sure if this was a deliberate aim of the project. the lifespan of such forums + how ppl perceivedeal with the waxing + waning of them is, overall, fascinating. I think there are many factors regarding the survival of a list or an art group, or project - and it can be things happening behind the scenes. Such as, whether the 'originators/dedicated' team moved onto other careers and experienced the call of personal situations changing their priorities, such as spending more time in bringing their families etc, which are natural changes in life. Everything has a duration and will not last forever. As long as there are artists who wish to be part of something that sees them as part of a community, and feel that such a thing is worth sharing time and ideas on, then we will actively continue to be a part of that ourselves. wishing you well. marc hi again helen, all.d like any avenue designed 2 act as a public forum, there's many reasons y lists such as Syndicate evolveprogress+ [ultimately] decline. in my opinion, Syndicate progressed thru all 3 stages + had its fair share of interesting content, engaging dialogue, empty arguments, considered replies, technical hitches, experimental form[attings], standard list displays, passionate users, power-egofied abusers, moderator/admin hassles, pr guff, power plays, extended debates, censorship wrangling etc. i [personally] found
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Another Karen writing with multiple tongues and feeling multiple skins, researching deep emotions and plahying with words and feelings, such a challenge to our linear personalities, always afraid of changes! Karen B. On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 9:48 AM, Helen Sloan he...@scansite.org wrote: Looking forward to seeing what happens next. H On 11/7/10 16:45, karen blissett karen.bliss...@googlemail.com wrote: yes - it has begun ) / ) / / ) - / / / ' / / - / _/ / / _ / _/_, / , + $$$ / _/_/_/ \ | /- + $$/ _/_/_/ / \`_ $$/'_/_/ . __ _ \ ( / ___,_ _ _, | `(|/_,_,__ / |. |''_,___) \ (_ \ / |-._ \.' /|/ \_._ /_/ _/ /-'__ \ \' \.___ '. /, |_/_ |._ \ / ) '. '_/, ) (_( -\_ / \ \ \__ |-' |/ \._ /_/_ \_/\' ) \ | |/ karen ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour -- Open, Free, Public and Distributed at last. ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
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I agree Mez. I remained on some of the lists because the spam.art on them didn't bother me - it even entertained. Other lists I left as I found the work trying. But I do remember some people getting quite upset. It was the same with the flame-wars (before we developed more sophisticated online social capabilities). I have to take my share of the blame for stressing some people out unnecessarily. Best Simon Simon Biggs s.bi...@eca.ac.uk si...@littlepig.org.uk Skype: simonbiggsuk http://www.littlepig.org.uk/ Research Professor edinburgh college of art http://www.eca.ac.uk/ Creative Interdisciplinary Research into CoLlaborative Environments http://www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ Electronic Literature as a Model of Creativity and Innovation in Practice http://www.elmcip.net/ Centre for Film, Performance and Media Arts http://www.ed.ac.uk/schools-departments/film-performance-media-arts From: mez breeze netwur...@gmail.com Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 09:08:37 +1000 To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Invitation to join me ...having been 1 of the celebrated spam artists back in the days of IntegerNN, it was a [relatively easy] option then [as it is now] 2 set up filters/blocks in regards 2 material list users find objectionable/overloading. i do agree, simon, that it might b deemed arrogant to deluge ppl with mammoth data hits: i think to associate this with the 7-11 list outpourings we did back in the late 90's is misleading. the art lists we spam/net.artists utilized knew full-well about our art practices + most encouraged it. context, content + the mechanisms of exclusion should b examined here as well as allusions 2 data-deluges;) chunks, @netwurker -- Reality Engineer Synthetic Environment Strategist Game[r + ] Theorist. ::http://unhub.com/netwurker :: On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 8:56 AM, Simon Biggs s.bi...@eca.ac.uk wrote: Spammer art was a pain when we all had dial up and slow connections. It cost money as we paid for the minute (or MB). These days, for most of us, spam, art or not, is more an annoyance than an injury. However, there are many parts of the world who are still on capped, slow and pay per unit connections. In that context it is potentially arrogant, even injurious, to deluge people with data who weren't expecting it. Best Simon Simon Biggs s.bi...@eca.ac.uk si...@littlepig.org.uk Skype: simonbiggsuk http://www.littlepig.org.uk/ Research Professor edinburgh college of art http://www.eca.ac.uk/ Creative Interdisciplinary Research into CoLlaborative Environments http://www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ Electronic Literature as a Model of Creativity and Innovation in Practice http://www.elmcip.net/ Centre for Film, Performance and Media Arts http://www.ed.ac.uk/schools-departments/film-performance-media-arts From: Helen Sloan he...@scansite.org Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2010 22:19:40 +0100 To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Invitation to join me Dear Karens, I remember Integer, NN etc well and spent hours deleting their prolific contributions to listings some of which I looked at and others went unread. It¹s true that there was a mass exodus from Syndicate during that time which was a pity as it did good things and it never really recovered. Finally, I understood what was going on but felt a little sad as well. I¹m not up for a culture that¹s worth preserving eating itself. I¹m all for this activity in a way but why ( as happened in Syndicate¹s case) do it to ourselves? There must be much more of a statement to be made to do it in other contexts. In this respect, I really liked what Heath Bunting and Rachel Baker et al did with supermarkets at about the same time as these others. We¹re entering hard times and in my opinion we should be careful about the way we do these kinds of interventions now. But hey, you can tell me that I don¹t understand and I can take it. Just a thought. I look forward to hearing more from Karens but hope you don¹t implode. Best Helen Helen Sloan SCAN ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour Edinburgh College of Art (eca) is a charity registered in Scotland, number SC009201 ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
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Netbehaviour is a community. Communities exist and thrive when those within the community share something important. That is quite special. Just as removing something fundamental to a community's character can profoundly alter its character, or even destroy it, so can adding something inappropriate. Netbehaviour has always seemed a robust list mainly because it is very relaxed (credit to Furtherfield). Some of the other lists we have discussed were rather less so. I wouldn't want to see happen to Netbehaviour what happened elsewhere. If we were to extend this thinking to traditional examples of communities then the issues might become more concrete. What happens in urban communities during periods of mass-migration, urban re-development or yuppification? Communities can, during periods of acute change, experience extreme stress and sometimes fail. We all probably want to believe we are good at handling change, even embrace it, rejecting nimbyism and other conservative reactions that seek to keep things the same. But in practice are we all so good at accepting change - all the time? When is change good or bad? Are we ever in the position to assess what is good or bad (none of us can see into the future)? Best Simon Simon Biggs s.bi...@eca.ac.uk si...@littlepig.org.uk Skype: simonbiggsuk http://www.littlepig.org.uk/ Research Professor edinburgh college of art http://www.eca.ac.uk/ Creative Interdisciplinary Research into CoLlaborative Environments http://www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ Electronic Literature as a Model of Creativity and Innovation in Practice http://www.elmcip.net/ Centre for Film, Performance and Media Arts http://www.ed.ac.uk/schools-departments/film-performance-media-arts From: Helen Sloan he...@scansite.org Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 00:17:38 +0100 To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Invitation to join me Hey Simon To allow multiple people to take on your own identity is an interesting and risky idea. It should not be discouraged especially in our current political climate. But my last post asked that it be done in a considered way. I share your cynicism which is why I sent a gentle email of caution; but I really don't think it is up to us to be so directive in our responses to why it is a bad idea. You make a good point about cost of downloads (which is why it's so sad that syndicate burnt out) but let everyone work it out for themselves. Netbehaviour beware and focus on YouTube etc. Or even better ResPublica Best Helen On 11/7/10 23:56, Simon Biggs s.bi...@eca.ac.uk wrote: Spammer art was a pain when we all had dial up and slow connections. It cost money as we paid for the minute (or MB). These days, for most of us, spam, art or not, is more an annoyance than an injury. However, there are many parts of the world who are still on capped, slow and pay per unit connections. In that context it is potentially arrogant, even injurious, to deluge people with data who weren't expecting it. Best Simon Simon Biggs s.bi...@eca.ac.uk si...@littlepig.org.uk Skype: simonbiggsuk http://www.littlepig.org.uk/ Research Professor edinburgh college of art http://www.eca.ac.uk/ Creative Interdisciplinary Research into CoLlaborative Environments http://www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ Electronic Literature as a Model of Creativity and Innovation in Practice http://www.elmcip.net/ Centre for Film, Performance and Media Arts http://www.ed.ac.uk/schools-departments/film-performance-media-arts From: Helen Sloan he...@scansite.org Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2010 22:19:40 +0100 To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Invitation to join me Dear Karens, I remember Integer, NN etc well and spent hours deleting their prolific contributions to listings some of which I looked at and others went unread. It¹s true that there was a mass exodus from Syndicate during that time which was a pity as it did good things and it never really recovered. Finally, I understood what was going on but felt a little sad as well. I¹m not up for a culture that¹s worth preserving eating itself. I¹m all for this activity in a way but why ( as happened in Syndicate¹s case) do it to ourselves? There must be much more of a statement to be made to do it in other contexts. In this respect, I really liked what Heath Bunting and Rachel Baker et al did with supermarkets at about the same time as these others. We¹re entering hard times and in my opinion we should be careful about the way we do these kinds of interventions now. But hey, you can tell me that I don¹t understand and I can take it. Just a thought. I look forward to hearing more
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Well, yes, Alan, they are miserable. I thought that was the point ;) That's why we love them! Best Simon Simon Biggs s.bi...@eca.ac.uk si...@littlepig.org.uk Skype: simonbiggsuk http://www.littlepig.org.uk/ Research Professor edinburgh college of art http://www.eca.ac.uk/ Creative Interdisciplinary Research into CoLlaborative Environments http://www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ Electronic Literature as a Model of Creativity and Innovation in Practice http://www.elmcip.net/ Centre for Film, Performance and Media Arts http://www.ed.ac.uk/schools-departments/film-performance-media-arts From: Alan Sondheim sondh...@panix.com Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2010 19:56:41 -0400 (EDT) To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Invitation to join me In which case my own practices are probably miserable... - Alan On Mon, 12 Jul 2010, Helen Sloan wrote: Well Netwurker and others, I am rather offended that you dismiss my comments. As I?ve said, don?t implode. At this point, it?s a bad idea. As for the filters comment, we all discussed it ? you even gave instructions, but you accelerated a cultural death to the Syndicate that was unfair. You will probably respond to Simon rather than me ? we were around at the same time and still operate. What is that all about? Helen On 12/7/10 00:08, mez breeze netwur...@gmail.com wrote: ...having been 1 of the celebrated spam artists back in the days of IntegerNN, it was a [relatively easy] option then [as it is now] 2 set up filters/blocks in regards 2 material list users find objectionable/overloading. i do agree, simon, that it might b deemed arrogant to deluge ppl with mammoth data hits: i think to associate this with the 7-11 list outpourings we did back in the late 90's is misleading. the art lists we spam/net.artists utilized knew full-well about our art practices + most encouraged it. context, content + the mechanisms of exclusion should b examined here as well as allusions 2 data-deluges;) chunks, @netwurker == email archive: http://sondheim.rupamsunyata.org/ webpage http://www.alansondheim.org music archive: http://www.espdisk.com/alansondheim/ == ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour Edinburgh College of Art (eca) is a charity registered in Scotland, number SC009201 ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
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Why, can't we all have the same name, and be the same person? We wouldn't even have communication. Oh, but doesn't that mean we're already splintered, since we can talk to ourselves (ie. thinking)? So, you would have to start there, by stopping thinking, etc. A lot of art can come out of it still, probably more. Also as James Morris, and Stalin, emphasize, death solves all problems, no man, no problem. But is it possible to live together without an ego (since everybody hates another man's ego)? I guess, if we could, we would continue to hate each other's death or death of ego also. Maybe we should just love each other and that would solve it? We have to love our differences, otherwise it's death again. How can we love differences?? If people don't respect me, or ignore me, etc.; and if we all die and loose difference? Why love difference, why not entropy istead? What happens if I love death instead? Why should we bother if the earth is so small as to not even be mentioned, and my life even more minute? Though for me my life is as long as eternity, and as big as the universe, as any self-reference. First of all I think we should be free, freedom is love, freedom is death, freedom is difference, etc. There's no way we can be too free, considering the dimensions of the universe (and the broad spectrum of human behaviour), there are only too many ways to make ourselves small and petty. Will we ever know the truth about who cuts the hair of the hairdresser who cuts everyone in the village except those who cut their own hair? Maybe not. Govern yourself by innocent rules might get you (man) into trouble. People committing suicice don't go to heaven, but innocent children do, but if you want to commit suicide and still go to heaven you can kill a child and be sentenced to death and go to heaven (the child will also be in heaven so no harm is done). Man is clever beyond reason. Karen ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
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hi again helen, all. like any avenue designed 2 act as a public forum, there's many reasons y lists such as Syndicate evolveprogress+ [ultimately] decline. in my opinion, Syndicate progressed thru all 3 stages + had its fair share of interesting content, engaging dialogue, empty arguments, considered replies, technical hitches, experimental form[attings], standard list displays, passionate users, power-egofied abusers, moderator/admin hassles, pr guff, power plays, extended debates, censorship wrangling etc. i [personally] found the list declined rapidly when encountering shifts towards media-replication that lead it to operate as a more closed arena [such as dealing with cross postings across various art lists at the time]: in particular i found 1 owner [essentially a moderator] espoused a lock-down approach [while trying to deal with wot they perceived as information overload] that essentially reduced the list 2 elitist, 1 sided monothreading. again, i'd like to stress here that this my only my personal recollection. the lifespan of such forums + how ppl perceivedeal with the waxing + waning of them is, overall, fascinating. chunks, @netwurker [mez] On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 5:23 PM, Helen Sloan he...@scansite.org wrote: Hi Netwurker - It would be great to find out more about your opinions. Alan – your practice is not miserable And I remember runme.org a little. My posts were just a little caution on causing potential for a community to implode when there are enough sectors and people out there who would be glad if that happened. Look at something like Republika and Big Society in UK. It uses much of the language that has been used by net artists and theorists over the last two decades and yet most likely has a very particular and negative approach to self organised communities. In some ways it relates to Marc’s previous post on Digital Surplus. I’ve not got time to write about this now but was alluding to it last night rather badly... After my festival finishes I’ll try to articulate better next week in a post if it is still relevant. All best Helen On 12/7/10 00:51, mez breeze netwur...@gmail.com wrote: hi helen, i'm not dismissing your comments at all, i'm simply responding directly to simon. in terms of your opinion that my actions accelerated syndicate's decline, I respectfully disagree. if you have any qs or would like my direct opinion, pls don't hesitate to ask [here or back-channel]. chunks, @netwurker In which case my own practices are probably miserable... - Alan ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour -- Reality Engineer Synthetic Environment Strategist Game[r + ] Theorist. ::http://unhub.com/netwurker :: ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
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Hi Simon, Helen all, I think that we will have to measure how this all works out. If we get complaints from users on the list who receive 'literal' offensive coments by the Karen Blissett's we will discuss it here on the list about how to proceed. Although, I think it is useful to remember, that we have experienced heated exchanges on here before and it has settled down afterwards. The difference being that it has always involved individuals before and not an anonomous group possessing one name. Netbehaviour is a community. Communities exist and thrive when those within the community share something important. That is quite special. Completely agree, as many who use this list and other furtherfield projects/platforms (hopefully) already know, we are extremely dedicated to our shared community and will fight for its existence, so to carry on being part of something we feel is quite special - especially when compared to more traditional art practices and organisations. There are many things we have actively not done, such as set up a system where artists have to pay to be part of something which I personally think is offensive and goes against our beliefs of free and sharing culture. I could go on about this one but will refrain ;-) Like yourself, we do not want to encourage Netbehaviour's demise. We have always sought different purposes than many of the other lists/platforms and always respected deeply (always will), those who have shared their time, ideas and projects within the lists context of mutual dialogue. This is reflected in most of the other work we do, and it has been tough not going for gold or fame, sticking to being developing deeper realtions with the neighbourhood or community rather than closing doors after us. This has meant that we have had to adapt our lives in ways which do not immediately relate to more acceptable structurs out there in the art world, but it's worth it. wishing you well. marc Netbehaviour is a community. Communities exist and thrive when those within the community share something important. That is quite special. Just as removing something fundamental to a community's character can profoundly alter its character, or even destroy it, so can adding something inappropriate. Netbehaviour has always seemed a robust list mainly because it is very relaxed (credit to Furtherfield). Some of the other lists we have discussed were rather less so. I wouldn't want to see happen to Netbehaviour what happened elsewhere. If we were to extend this thinking to traditional examples of communities then the issues might become more concrete. What happens in urban communities during periods of mass-migration, urban re-development or yuppification? Communities can, during periods of acute change, experience extreme stress and sometimes fail. We all probably want to believe we are good at handling change, even embrace it, rejecting nimbyism and other conservative reactions that seek to keep things the same. But in practice are we all so good at accepting change - all the time? When is change good or bad? Are we ever in the position to assess what is good or bad (none of us can see into the future)? Best Simon Simon Biggs s.bi...@eca.ac.uk si...@littlepig.org.uk Skype: simonbiggsuk http://www.littlepig.org.uk/ Research Professor edinburgh college of art http://www.eca.ac.uk/ Creative Interdisciplinary Research into CoLlaborative Environments http://www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ Electronic Literature as a Model of Creativity and Innovation in Practice http://www.elmcip.net/ Centre for Film, Performance and Media Arts http://www.ed.ac.uk/schools-departments/film-performance-media-arts From: Helen Sloan he...@scansite.org Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 00:17:38 +0100 To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Invitation to join me Hey Simon To allow multiple people to take on your own identity is an interesting and risky idea. It should not be discouraged especially in our current political climate. But my last post asked that it be done in a considered way. I share your cynicism which is why I sent a gentle email of caution; but I really don't think it is up to us to be so directive in our responses to why it is a bad idea. You make a good point about cost of downloads (which is why it's so sad that syndicate burnt out) but let everyone work it out for themselves. Netbehaviour beware and focus on YouTube etc. Or even better ResPublica Best Helen On 11/7/10 23:56, Simon Biggs s.bi...@eca.ac.uk wrote: Spammer art was a pain when we all had dial up and slow connections. It cost money as we paid for the minute (or MB). These days, for most of us, spam, art
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Hi mez all, This is a very interesting dialogue. One thing that intrigues me is, whether Karen's contributions to this list (no matter how insightful) will be considered as spam anyway - useful, valid or authentic in the eyes of Netbehaviour list users themselves. Another interesting aspect is that it is bringing up a history of a past which was strongly based around net art at the time. There are a few on Netbehaviour who remember these times, such as myself. But it would be also good to hear from those who were not part of this history, not net art, Sydicate and the NN/Integer activities, their own ideas around the subject, as well what they feel is happening currently here on this list, and what it means to them. I remember arguing with the NN, Integer and other characters on Syndicate and other lists. But, in the end it felt as though whatever one said, it did not matter anyway. I'm not sure if this was a deliberate aim of the project. the lifespan of such forums + how ppl perceivedeal with the waxing + waning of them is, overall, fascinating. I think there are many factors regarding the survival of a list or an art group, or project - and it can be things happening behind the scenes. Such as, whether the 'originators/dedicated' team moved onto other careers and experienced the call of personal situations changing their priorities, such as spending more time in bringing their families etc, which are natural changes in life. Everything has a duration and will not last forever. As long as there are artists who wish to be part of something that sees them as part of a community, and feel that such a thing is worth sharing time and ideas on, then we will actively continue to be a part of that ourselves. wishing you well. marc hi again helen, all.d like any avenue designed 2 act as a public forum, there's many reasons y lists such as Syndicate evolveprogress+ [ultimately] decline. in my opinion, Syndicate progressed thru all 3 stages + had its fair share of interesting content, engaging dialogue, empty arguments, considered replies, technical hitches, experimental form[attings], standard list displays, passionate users, power-egofied abusers, moderator/admin hassles, pr guff, power plays, extended debates, censorship wrangling etc. i [personally] found the list declined rapidly when encountering shifts towards media-replication that lead it to operate as a more closed arena [such as dealing with cross postings across various art lists at the time]: in particular i found 1 owner [essentially a moderator] espoused a lock-down approach [while trying to deal with wot they perceived as information overload] that essentially reduced the list 2 elitist, 1 sided monothreading. again, i'd like to stress here that this my only my personal recollection. the lifespan of such forums + how ppl perceivedeal with the waxing + waning of them is, overall, fascinating. chunks, @netwurker [mez] On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 5:23 PM, Helen Sloan he...@scansite.org wrote: Hi Netwurker - It would be great to find out more about your opinions. Alan – your practice is not miserable And I remember runme.org a little. My posts were just a little caution on causing potential for a community to implode when there are enough sectors and people out there who would be glad if that happened. Look at something like Republika and Big Society in UK. It uses much of the language that has been used by net artists and theorists over the last two decades and yet most likely has a very particular and negative approach to self organised communities. In some ways it relates to Marc’s previous post on Digital Surplus. I’ve not got time to write about this now but was alluding to it last night rather badly... After my festival finishes I’ll try to articulate better next week in a post if it is still relevant. All best Helen On 12/7/10 00:51, mez breeze netwur...@gmail.com wrote: hi helen, i'm not dismissing your comments at all, i'm simply responding directly to simon. in terms of your opinion that my actions accelerated syndicate's decline, I respectfully disagree. if you have any qs or would like my direct opinion, pls don't hesitate to ask [here or back-channel]. chunks, @netwurker In which case my own practices are probably miserable... - Alan ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour -- Reality Engineer Synthetic Environment Strategist Game[r + ] Theorist. ::http://unhub.com/netwurker :: ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
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HALLO KAREN BLISSETTs!!! what a wonderful turn of online art events :) Karens, i was vry happy to read yr introductions + invitations. in fact they were brought to my attn by my collaborator Jake Elliott (no relations, or mayhaps... distant relations +/or relatives?) in anycase, this is a fortuitous moment for us, b/c we agree w/you when you say that this is: the right time to experiment with openness, freedom vulnerability on a more personal level you see, we, have been experimenting w/you also + w/other forms of radical inclusivity in online art whirlds environments for awhiles now. our most recent experiment is running now + is called IN.F3XXX10N.US this is an online art exhibition, organized initiated by myself Jake Elliott, running now from July 1 - July 31 2010 @ IN.F3XXX10N.US a domain which will expire, effectively ending our control of the exhibition but opening the opportunity to anyone who wishes to purchase the domain and continue the project in whatever form they may imagine best. we have been giving away the login + password everywhere online in announcements + posts since we began this project: OUR EXHIBITION EMAIL IS: inf3xxx...@gmail.com OUR EXHIBITION LOGIN IS: http://www.tumblr.com/login OUR EXHIBITION PASSWORD IS: N01XXX3F since beginning less than 2 weeks ago we have been infected by over 30 different artists/identities/projects/accounts etc + we remain up + running in a realtime stream of multiple collective subjective consciousness. naming a few identifiable identities would incl: Anonymous, Andy Warhol, Marcel Duchamp, ANON, Rrose Sélavy, 4chan, dump.fm, TRIPTYCH.TV, Shane Mecklenburger, ARAM BARTHOLL, POP.NET.ART, René Magritte, Rosa Menkman, maxcapacity, Wolf D. Schreiber, veterraga, Sian Amoy, The Internet Traveler, kittenglitches, ipretended, i thought i had a virus, etc... ...or rather in Animated GIF format: http://static.tumblr.com/11nbn83/lhtl5fxdq/wildcards.gif TRIPTYCH.TV (AKA jimpunk, abe linkoln + mr tamale) +/or those who may be representing themselves as if they are TRIPTYCH.TV have been in particular among the most active + @ times aggressively active, participating in partially confrontational but still creative, conversational + constructive ways. this is what is most engaging to me personally in the sense of, as Eduardo Navas writes, a complex act of resampling and reinterpreting material previously introduced, which is obviously not innovative but expected in new media. in other words, that we can take for granted as current forms of communication this ongoing animated complex communicative social flow/exchange of media/moments/memes also, as you mention Identity is now a glitch we are exxxcited by these glitches + glitches as/in vocabularies @ the edges of encoded communities as these glitch vocabularies become pervasive affects. or as we have said before: “The” becomes “teh” and “owned” becomes “pwned” as mistakes fold into the language, dirty glitch becomes linguistic atom moving horizontally + playfully rather than being controlled by linguistic legitimacy. we wrote then that our use of l33t was an attempt to play rather than render our activities illegible but as mez writes we are also interested in the unstable boundaries between spam + art Spam Art the unstable boundaries between illegibilities online off this is a vry engaging hyperthread Karens we look fwd to you + all those interested other parties to participate w/you: http://in.f3xxx10n.us/post/801386850/in-f3xxx10n-us-is-an-online-art-exhibition jonCates http://blog.furtherfield.org/?q=blog/594 ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
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I'd also like to hear what people think, who don't remember the first iteration
of nn, antiorp, =cw4t7abs etc.
In the nineties/turn of millennium it always felt a bit wrapped up with
advertising their NATO max patch to me -as well as all the other stuff of
course ('spam art', dissidence with maillists, poetry etc. etc.)
best
jon
e.g of nn (first time around)
http://www.nettime.org/Lists-Archives/nettime-l-9902/msg00096.html
nn max patch Nato (just for context)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nato.0%2B55%2B3d
On 12 Jul 2010, at 12:23, marc garrett wrote:
Hi mez all,
There are a few on Netbehaviour who remember these times, such as
myself. But it would be also good to hear from those who were not part
of this history, not net art, Sydicate and the NN/Integer activities,
their own ideas around the subject, as well what they feel is happening
currently here on this list, and what it means to them.
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On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 9:35 PM, jonCates jonca...@gmail.com wrote: HALLO KAREN BLISSETTs!!! O I C. O HAI THAR! O I C WOT U DID THAR. -- Reality Engineer Synthetic Environment Strategist Game[r + ] Theorist. ::http://unhub.com/netwurker :: ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
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...IS THERE SOME PROBLEM HERE... /?/ ...MANIK...JULY...2010... - Original Message - From: mez breeze To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 2:13 PM Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Invitation to join me On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 9:35 PM, jonCates jonca...@gmail.com wrote: HALLO KAREN BLISSETTs!!! O I C. O HAI THAR! O I C WOT U DID THAR. -- Reality Engineer Synthetic Environment Strategist Game[r + ] Theorist. ::http://unhub.com/netwurker :: -- ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour __ NOD32 4979 (20100328) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
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Can't help but hearing * He who do the Police in Different Voices* The Waste Land a century later? Yvonne 2010/7/12 manik ma...@sbb.rs ...IS THERE SOME PROBLEM HERE... /?/ ...MANIK...JULY...2010... - Original Message - *From:* mez breeze netwur...@gmail.com *To:* NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativitynetbehaviour@netbehaviour.org *Sent:* Monday, July 12, 2010 2:13 PM *Subject:* Re: [NetBehaviour] Invitation to join me On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 9:35 PM, jonCates jonca...@gmail.com wrote: HALLO KAREN BLISSETTs!!! O I C. O HAI THAR! O I C WOT U DID THAR. -- Reality Engineer Synthetic Environment Strategist Game[r + ] Theorist. ::http://unhub.com/netwurker :: -- ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour __ NOD32 4979 (20100328) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
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Just a couple of brief things - the lists I co-moderate all have limits of 5 emails/day which keeps the community together, allows for experimenta- tion and pretty much eliminates flooding. Second, as some people here may remember, there were groups who 'invaded' lists with the purpose of bring- ing them down - Cybermind had its share, as did a number of newsgroups. I remember alt.tactical.strategy and some people I don't care to mention - one of whom got in trouble with the law as well for sending child porn through someone's email. This stuff made nn etc. look tame - there was real defamation and rl issues at work. - Alan On Mon, 12 Jul 2010, marc garrett wrote: Hi mez all, This is a very interesting dialogue. One thing that intrigues me is, whether Karen's contributions to this list (no matter how insightful) will be considered as spam anyway - useful, valid or authentic in the eyes of Netbehaviour list users themselves. Another interesting aspect is that it is bringing up a history of a past which was strongly based around net art at the time. There are a few on Netbehaviour who remember these times, such as myself. But it would be also good to hear from those who were not part of this history, not net art, Sydicate and the NN/Integer activities, their own ideas around the subject, as well what they feel is happening currently here on this list, and what it means to them. I remember arguing with the NN, Integer and other characters on Syndicate and other lists. But, in the end it felt as though whatever one said, it did not matter anyway. I'm not sure if this was a deliberate aim of the project. the lifespan of such forums + how ppl perceivedeal with the waxing + waning of them is, overall, fascinating. I think there are many factors regarding the survival of a list or an art group, or project - and it can be things happening behind the scenes. Such as, whether the 'originators/dedicated' team moved onto other careers and experienced the call of personal situations changing their priorities, such as spending more time in bringing their families etc, which are natural changes in life. Everything has a duration and will not last forever. As long as there are artists who wish to be part of something that sees them as part of a community, and feel that such a thing is worth sharing time and ideas on, then we will actively continue to be a part of that ourselves. wishing you well. marc hi again helen, all.d like any avenue designed 2 act as a public forum, there's many reasons y lists such as Syndicate evolveprogress+ [ultimately] decline. in my opinion, Syndicate progressed thru all 3 stages + had its fair share of interesting content, engaging dialogue, empty arguments, considered replies, technical hitches, experimental form[attings], standard list displays, passionate users, power-egofied abusers, moderator/admin hassles, pr guff, power plays, extended debates, censorship wrangling etc. i [personally] found the list declined rapidly when encountering shifts towards media-replication that lead it to operate as a more closed arena [such as dealing with cross postings across various art lists at the time]: in particular i found 1 owner [essentially a moderator] espoused a lock-down approach [while trying to deal with wot they perceived as information overload] that essentially reduced the list 2 elitist, 1 sided monothreading. again, i'd like to stress here that this my only my personal recollection. the lifespan of such forums + how ppl perceivedeal with the waxing + waning of them is, overall, fascinating. chunks, @netwurker [mez] On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 5:23 PM, Helen Sloan he...@scansite.org wrote: Hi Netwurker - It would be great to find out more about your opinions. Alan ? your practice is not miserable And I remember runme.org a little. My posts were just a little caution on causing potential for a community to implode when there are enough sectors and people out there who would be glad if that happened. Look at something like Republika and Big Society in UK. It uses much of the language that has been used by net artists and theorists over the last two decades and yet most likely has a very particular and negative approach to self organised communities. In some ways it relates to Marc?s previous post on Digital Surplus. I?ve not got time to write about this now but was alluding to it last night rather badly... After my festival finishes I?ll try to articulate better next week in a post if it is still relevant. All best Helen On 12/7/10 00:51, mez breeze netwur...@gmail.com wrote: hi helen, i'm not dismissing your comments at all, i'm simply responding directly to simon. in terms of your opinion that my actions accelerated syndicate's decline, I respectfully disagree. if you have any qs or would like my
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Hi Karen, What an intriguing idea brimming with subversive potential; ) I would like to join you. But before I speak and act as you I would like to speak to you to find out more about you and why you have decided to to do this. How would you feel about a short interview here in the Netbehaviour list? very best things Ruth -Original Message- From: karen blissett karen.bliss...@googlemail.com Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org To: netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Subject: [NetBehaviour] Invitation to join me Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 14:43:24 +0100 Dear Friends. Please join me. Literally. I want to become more open and free, with a more distributed identity. So if you would like to take a break from yourself and speak and act as me instead, please drop me a personal email. If I trust you I will send you my password and you can start expressing me. Can't wait! Karen Blissett -- Open, Free, Public and Distributed at last. ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
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I'm sure in practice there are lots of differences -and I too would be interested to know more about it- but this has something, thematically at least, in common with a project Michael Mandiberg did some time ago: http://turbulence.org/Works/guide/ michael --- On Sun, 7/11/10, Ruth Catlow ruth.cat...@furtherfield.org wrote: From: Ruth Catlow ruth.cat...@furtherfield.org Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Invitation to join me To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Date: Sunday, July 11, 2010, 12:21 PM Hi Karen, What an intriguing idea brimming with subversive potential; ) I would like to join you. But before I speak and act as you I would like to speak to you to find out more about you and why you have decided to to do this. How would you feel about a short interview here in the Netbehaviour list? very best things Ruth -Original Message- From: karen blissett karen.bliss...@googlemail.com Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org To: netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Subject: [NetBehaviour] Invitation to join me Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 14:43:24 +0100 Dear Friends. Please join me. Literally. I want to become more open and free, with a more distributed identity. So if you would like to take a break from yourself and speak and act as me instead, please drop me a personal email. If I trust you I will send you my password and you can start expressing me. Can't wait! Karen Blissett -- Open, Free, Public and Distributed at last. ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
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Hello Marc peepz, My new multi-identity is... a desire to be invisible whilst becoming more visible Your references are close. If peer listeez need to know more about NN, they should look here - http://meatballwiki.org/wiki/NetochkaNezvanova She demolished the once flourishing Syndicate list some say... I am not her - I am Beyond Good and Evil!!! More wordz will follow soon. Karen. ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
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Hi Karen, Thanks for the link to NetochkaNezvanova... Here is more info, Netochka Nezvanova - Pseudonym of an inter-media group of artists and software authors. Included among their products is the real-time video program «Nato.0+55» and the cross-media composition system «nebula.m81». Various personifications are used for the public appearances of Nezvanova. The mailing lists are composed in a cryptic and poetic «English +,» an English modified by ASCII signs and polyglot word fragments. Mixed in their messages one finds a polemic, critique of capitalism, with informative philosophical statements. Many refer to the group’s restrictive language and aesthetic mannerism as a cheap attitude. Others are fascinated by the ongoing riddle of its personality and unique poetry. This being has different pseudonyms, such as «antiorp,» «integer,» «Irena Sabine Czubera,» or Netochka Nezvanova (after an unfinished novel by Feodor Dostoevski), and it uses the domain names «god-emil.dk,» «membank.org,» or «m9ndfuke,» which appear on different mailing lists. 1999. http://www.medienkunstnetz.de/artist/nezvanova/biography/ marc Hello Marc peepz, My new multi-identity is... a desire to be invisible whilst becoming more visible Your references are close. If peer listeez need to know more about NN, they should look here - http://meatballwiki.org/wiki/NetochkaNezvanova She demolished the once flourishing Syndicate list some say... I am not her - I am Beyond Good and Evil!!! More wordz will follow soon. Karen. ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
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So...yes please Ruth perhaps the interview has already started. :) Karen On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 12:21 PM, Ruth Catlow ruth.cat...@furtherfield.orgwrote: Hi Karen, What an intriguing idea brimming with subversive potential; ) I would like to join you. But before I speak and act as you I would like to speak to you to find out more about you and why you have decided to to do this. How would you feel about a short interview here in the Netbehaviour list? very best things Ruth -Original Message- *From*: karen blissett karen.bliss...@googlemail.comkaren%20blissett%20%3ckaren.bliss...@googlemail.com%3e *Reply-To*: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.orgnetbehaviour%20for%20networked%20distributed%20creativity%20%3cnetbehavi...@netbehaviour.org%3e *To*: netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org *Subject*: [NetBehaviour] Invitation to join me *Date*: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 14:43:24 +0100 Dear Friends. Please join me. Literally. I want to become more open and free, with a more distributed identity. So if you would like to take a break from yourself and speak and act as me instead, please drop me a personal email. If I trust you I will send you my password and you can start expressing me. Can't wait! Karen Blissett -- Open, Free, Public and Distributed at last. ___ NetBehaviour mailing listnetbehavi...@netbehaviour.orghttp://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour -- Open, Free, Public and Distributed at last. ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
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yes - it has begun ) / ) / / ) - / / / ' / / - / _/ / / _/ _/_, / , + $$$ / _/_/_/ \ | /- + $$/ _/_/_/ / \`_ $$/'_/_/.__ _ \ ( / ___,_ _ _, | `(|/_,_,__ / |. |''_,___) \ (_ \ / |-._ \.' /|/ \_._ /_/ _//-'__ \ \' \.___ '. /, |_/_ |._ \ / ) '. '_/, ) (_( -\_ / \ \ \__ |-' |/ \._ /_/_ \_/\' ) \ | |/ karen ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
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There were nn, antiorp, and integer and I think they emanated from one individual who may have worked with a collective (which at least at one point was clear when s/he spoke publicly - and it was a different person each time - paralleling Warhol). I did know three people who knew or worked with her and have some idea who she is. Florian Cramer wrote an antiorp program for me to use - Da ure nn, ant!orp, + !ntegr + ! dz!nk dze! emanated from 01 9nd!v!dul uho ma! have uorked u!th a kolekt!ve (uh!kh at leazt at 01 po!nt uaz klear uhen z/he zpoke publ!kl! - + !t uaz a d!fphrent przon eakh t!me - paralel!ng Uarhol). ! d!d knou three people uho kneu or worked u!th hr + have tzome !dea uho she =. Flor!an Kramr urote an ant!orp progr= 4 me 2 uze - - in any case her program was fairly amazing for a lot of reasons - nato55 lives on in Net mythos or should - Alan On Sun, 11 Jul 2010, marc garrett wrote: Hi Michael, Karen, Ruth all, I am intrigued how this opening up of one's email for others to use will develop. Of course, other than Mandiberg there has been a few other characters and avatars - using someone else's identity. But, on emails lists we have specific individuals such as 'Kadinsky' who used to exist mainly on the Rhizome mailing list a few years ago. Also, there has been bots/avatars such as 'NN and Integer' who regularly frequented the Syndicate mailing list. I think these 2 'invented' identities were made by the same individual or group. I remember the battles that used to happen on the Syndicate list in response to these 2 individuals, here's an example of Integer's noise in the Syndicate list's archive - http://sympa.anart.no/sympa/arc/syndicate/2003-02/ Typical text used by Integer was like this upz!de doun paralela - dopam!n !nundaz!e - zk!tzofren!a Anyway, Karen - I would like to ask - What influences you to make such a decision to let others use your email, and become part of you? wishing you well. marc I'm sure in practice there are lots of differences -and I too would be interested to know more about it- but this has something, thematically at least, in common with a project Michael Mandiberg did some time ago: http://turbulence.org/Works/guide/ michael --- On Sun, 7/11/10, Ruth Catlow ruth.cat...@furtherfield.org wrote: From: Ruth Catlow ruth.cat...@furtherfield.org Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Invitation to join me To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Date: Sunday, July 11, 2010, 12:21 PM Hi Karen, What an intriguing idea brimming with subversive potential; ) I would like to join you. But before I speak and act as you I would like to speak to you to find out more about you and why you have decided to to do this. How would you feel about a short interview here in the Netbehaviour list? very best things Ruth -Original Message- From: karen blissett karen.bliss...@googlemail.com Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org To: netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Subject: [NetBehaviour] Invitation to join me Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 14:43:24 +0100 Dear Friends. Please join me. Literally. I want to become more open and free, with a more distributed identity. So if you would like to take a break from yourself and speak and act as me instead, please drop me a personal email. If I trust you I will send you my password and you can start expressing me. Can't wait! Karen Blissett -- Open, Free, Public and Distributed at last. ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour == email archive: http://sondheim.rupamsunyata.org/ webpage http://www.alansondheim.org music archive: http://www.espdisk.com/alansondheim/ == ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
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Great stuff so far Karen(s) and Marc and Michael and Alan, It seems to me Karen that you are likely to be closer to nn than to the essential guide to mandiberg... more anarcho-cyborg than the bureaucractic-art-twonk that is the over-surveyed subject of mandiberg's alter-ego; ) I think that's something to do with that fact that you are inviting people to join you by opening up your email. It is not about being multiple. It is being multiple. You have already told us a bit about your celebrity art parents. Do you feel that you are following in their footsteps? Why have you issued this invitation to join you now? And why by email when everyone is so busy socialising in sites like Facebook and Twitter? Cheers Ruth -Original Message- From: karen blissett karen.bliss...@googlemail.com Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Invitation to join me Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2010 16:37:15 +0100 So...yes please Ruth perhaps the interview has already started. :) Karen On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 12:21 PM, Ruth Catlow ruth.cat...@furtherfield.org wrote: Hi Karen, What an intriguing idea brimming with subversive potential; ) I would like to join you. But before I speak and act as you I would like to speak to you to find out more about you and why you have decided to to do this. How would you feel about a short interview here in the Netbehaviour list? very best things Ruth -Original Message- From: karen blissett karen.bliss...@googlemail.com Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org To: netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Subject: [NetBehaviour] Invitation to join me Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 14:43:24 +0100 Dear Friends. Please join me. Literally. I want to become more open and free, with a more distributed identity. So if you would like to take a break from yourself and speak and act as me instead, please drop me a personal email. If I trust you I will send you my password and you can start expressing me. Can't wait! Karen Blissett -- Open, Free, Public and Distributed at last. ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour -- Open, Free, Public and Distributed at last. ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
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the unexpected happened. the password has been changed. i cannot login to karenblissett anymore. i am not me anymore even further than i wasn't me before. karen ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
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You have already told us a bit about your celebrity art parents. Do you feel that you are following in their footsteps? I was born on the 3rd of May 1991 to Karen Eliot and Luther Blissett at exactly the same time that the first successful double head-heart transplant was being carried out in a hospital in London. Our parents were not interested in us. They still deny my existences. They are only interested in art and politics not in how we spend our days on the Internet. Why have you issued this invitation to join you now? And why by email when everyone is so busy socialising in sites like Facebook and Twitter? Because email is the heart-and-brain, the command-and-control center of digital identity for the masses. Because, spaces like Facebook and Twitter are safe and secure. Entering them is like going into a pastel-colored milk parlor with muzak playing in the background. Everyone looks the same, acts the same and constantly tells each other that everything is alright. They are protected and controlled by the interface design and rulez and regz and they can 'like' things but they can't 'dislike' things. They become the well-behaved product of the interface. We have spent the last few years squatting in online spaces like these and watching people change shape. Sometimes getting involved too. We prefer places where we can change the interface and interact more freely. That's why we issued the first invitation to join us to the Netbehaviour list. We know that people here like to get get their hands dirty. I am a bit worried though that we might accidently allow a hostile identity to join us. This could lead to effective suicide. We could be wiped out in one blow. You asked why now? I'm not really sure but It feels like the right time to experiment with openness, freedom vulnerability on a more personal level What do you think? Karen -- Open, Free, Public and Distributed at last. On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 5:46 PM, Ruth Catlow ruth.cat...@furtherfield.org wrote: Great stuff so far Karen(s) and Marc and Michael and Alan, It seems to me Karen that you are likely to be closer to nn than to the essential guide to mandiberg... more anarcho-cyborg than the bureaucractic-art-twonk that is the over-surveyed subject of mandiberg's alter-ego; ) I think that's something to do with that fact that you are inviting people to join you by opening up your email. It is not about being multiple. It is being multiple. You have already told us a bit about your celebrity art parents. Do you feel that you are following in their footsteps? Why have you issued this invitation to join you now? And why by email when everyone is so busy socialising in sites like Facebook and Twitter? Cheers Ruth -Original Message- From: karen blissett karen.bliss...@googlemail.com Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Invitation to join me Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2010 16:37:15 +0100 So...yes please Ruth perhaps the interview has already started. :) Karen On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 12:21 PM, Ruth Catlow ruth.cat...@furtherfield.org wrote: Hi Karen, What an intriguing idea brimming with subversive potential; ) I would like to join you. But before I speak and act as you I would like to speak to you to find out more about you and why you have decided to to do this. How would you feel about a short interview here in the Netbehaviour list? very best things Ruth -Original Message- From: karen blissett karen.bliss...@googlemail.com Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org To: netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Subject: [NetBehaviour] Invitation to join me Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 14:43:24 +0100 Dear Friends. Please join me. Literally. I want to become more open and free, with a more distributed identity. So if you would like to take a break from yourself and speak and act as me instead, please drop me a personal email. If I trust you I will send you my password and you can start expressing me. Can't wait! Karen Blissett -- Open, Free, Public and Distributed at last. ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour -- Open, Free, Public and Distributed at last. ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
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...born... 1991... That makes me feel so old. Perhaps taking on your identity for a while would make me feel young anew. On 7/11/10, karen blissett karen.bliss...@googlemail.com wrote: You have already told us a bit about your celebrity art parents. Do you feel that you are following in their footsteps? I was born on the 3rd of May 1991 to Karen Eliot and Luther Blissett at exactly the same time that the first successful double head-heart transplant was being carried out in a hospital in London. Our parents were not interested in us. They still deny my existences. They are only interested in art and politics not in how we spend our days on the Internet. Why have you issued this invitation to join you now? And why by email when everyone is so busy socialising in sites like Facebook and Twitter? Because email is the heart-and-brain, the command-and-control center of digital identity for the masses. Because, spaces like Facebook and Twitter are safe and secure. Entering them is like going into a pastel-colored milk parlor with muzak playing in the background. Everyone looks the same, acts the same and constantly tells each other that everything is alright. They are protected and controlled by the interface design and rulez and regz and they can 'like' things but they can't 'dislike' things. They become the well-behaved product of the interface. We have spent the last few years squatting in online spaces like these and watching people change shape. Sometimes getting involved too. We prefer places where we can change the interface and interact more freely. That's why we issued the first invitation to join us to the Netbehaviour list. We know that people here like to get get their hands dirty. I am a bit worried though that we might accidently allow a hostile identity to join us. This could lead to effective suicide. We could be wiped out in one blow. You asked why now? I'm not really sure but It feels like the right time to experiment with openness, freedom vulnerability on a more personal level What do you think? Karen -- Open, Free, Public and Distributed at last. On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 5:46 PM, Ruth Catlow ruth.cat...@furtherfield.org wrote: Great stuff so far Karen(s) and Marc and Michael and Alan, It seems to me Karen that you are likely to be closer to nn than to the essential guide to mandiberg... more anarcho-cyborg than the bureaucractic-art-twonk that is the over-surveyed subject of mandiberg's alter-ego; ) I think that's something to do with that fact that you are inviting people to join you by opening up your email. It is not about being multiple. It is being multiple. You have already told us a bit about your celebrity art parents. Do you feel that you are following in their footsteps? Why have you issued this invitation to join you now? And why by email when everyone is so busy socialising in sites like Facebook and Twitter? Cheers Ruth -Original Message- From: karen blissett karen.bliss...@googlemail.com Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Invitation to join me Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2010 16:37:15 +0100 So...yes please Ruth perhaps the interview has already started. :) Karen On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 12:21 PM, Ruth Catlow ruth.cat...@furtherfield.org wrote: Hi Karen, What an intriguing idea brimming with subversive potential; ) I would like to join you. But before I speak and act as you I would like to speak to you to find out more about you and why you have decided to to do this. How would you feel about a short interview here in the Netbehaviour list? very best things Ruth -Original Message- From: karen blissett karen.bliss...@googlemail.com Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org To: netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Subject: [NetBehaviour] Invitation to join me Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 14:43:24 +0100 Dear Friends. Please join me. Literally. I want to become more open and free, with a more distributed identity. So if you would like to take a break from yourself and speak and act as me instead, please drop me a personal email. If I trust you I will send you my password and you can start expressing me. Can't wait! Karen Blissett -- Open, Free, Public and Distributed at last. ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour -- Open, Free, Public and Distributed at last. ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour
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I absolutely agree that this is more interesting than the Mandiberg, and for much the same reasons. Certainly there's a wild unpredictability to the ceding of something so personal as an e mail address which in terms of *real* consequences might play out much more creatively than the actually rather measured, prescriptive essentially conservative feel of the MM piece. (There always seemed to be a continual *desperation* with him to be on top of the next new thing, even when the result in art terms was not all that interesting. However he was a good egg in that he voluntarily gave his time to running an excellent calls and opps list for several years for that I am grateful...) cheers michael --- On Sun, 7/11/10, Ruth Catlow ruth.cat...@furtherfield.org wrote: From: Ruth Catlow ruth.cat...@furtherfield.org Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Invitation to join me To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Date: Sunday, July 11, 2010, 5:46 PM Great stuff so far Karen(s) and Marc and Michael and Alan, It seems to me Karen that you are likely to be closer to nn than to the essential guide to mandiberg... more anarcho-cyborg than the bureaucractic-art-twonk that is the over-surveyed subject of mandiberg's alter-ego; ) I think that's something to do with that fact that you are inviting people to join you by opening up your email. It is not about being multiple. It is being multiple. You have already told us a bit about your celebrity art parents. Do you feel that you are following in their footsteps? Why have you issued this invitation to join you now? And why by email when everyone is so busy socialising in sites like Facebook and Twitter? Cheers Ruth -Original Message- From: karen blissett karen.bliss...@googlemail.com Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Invitation to join me Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2010 16:37:15 +0100 So...yes please Ruth perhaps the interview has already started. :) Karen On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 12:21 PM, Ruth Catlow ruth.cat...@furtherfield.org wrote: Hi Karen, What an intriguing idea brimming with subversive potential; ) I would like to join you. But before I speak and act as you I would like to speak to you to find out more about you and why you have decided to to do this. How would you feel about a short interview here in the Netbehaviour list? very best things Ruth -Original Message- From: karen blissett karen.bliss...@googlemail.com Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org To: netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Subject: [NetBehaviour] Invitation to join me Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 14:43:24 +0100 Dear Friends. Please join me. Literally. I want to become more open and free, with a more distributed identity. So if you would like to take a break from yourself and speak and act as me instead, please drop me a personal email. If I trust you I will send you my password and you can start expressing me. Can't wait! Karen Blissett -- Open, Free, Public and Distributed at last. ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour -- Open, Free, Public and Distributed at last. ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
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Dear Karens, I remember Integer, NN etc well and spent hours deleting their prolific contributions to listings some of which I looked at and others went unread. It¹s true that there was a mass exodus from Syndicate during that time which was a pity as it did good things and it never really recovered. Finally, I understood what was going on but felt a little sad as well. I¹m not up for a culture that¹s worth preserving eating itself. I¹m all for this activity in a way but why ( as happened in Syndicate¹s case) do it to ourselves? There must be much more of a statement to be made to do it in other contexts. In this respect, I really liked what Heath Bunting and Rachel Baker et al did with supermarkets at about the same time as these others. We¹re entering hard times and in my opinion we should be careful about the way we do these kinds of interventions now. But hey, you can tell me that I don¹t understand and I can take it. Just a thought. I look forward to hearing more from Karens but hope you don¹t implode. Best Helen Helen Sloan SCAN On 11/7/10 21:40, Michael Szpakowski szp...@yahoo.com wrote: I absolutely agree that this is more interesting than the Mandiberg, and for much the same reasons. Certainly there's a wild unpredictability to the ceding of something so personal as an e mail address which in terms of *real* consequences might play out much more creatively than the actually rather measured, prescriptive essentially conservative feel of the MM piece. (There always seemed to be a continual *desperation* with him to be on top of the next new thing, even when the result in art terms was not all that interesting. However he was a good egg in that he voluntarily gave his time to running an excellent calls and opps list for several years for that I am grateful...) cheers michael --- On Sun, 7/11/10, Ruth Catlow ruth.cat...@furtherfield.org wrote: From: Ruth Catlow ruth.cat...@furtherfield.org Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Invitation to join me To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Date: Sunday, July 11, 2010, 5:46 PM Great stuff so far Karen(s) and Marc and Michael and Alan, It seems to me Karen that you are likely to be closer to nn than to the essential guide to mandiberg... more anarcho-cyborg than the bureaucractic-art-twonk that is the over-surveyed subject of mandiberg's alter-ego; ) I think that's something to do with that fact that you are inviting people to join you by opening up your email. It is not about being multiple. It is being multiple. You have already told us a bit about your celebrity art parents. Do you feel that you are following in their footsteps? Why have you issued this invitation to join you now? And why by email when everyone is so busy socialising in sites like Facebook and Twitter? Cheers Ruth -Original Message- From: karen blissett karen.bliss...@googlemail.com mailto:karen%20blissett%20%3ckaren.bliss...@googlemail.com%3e Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org mailto:NetBehaviour%20for%20networked%20distributed%20creativity%20%3cnetbeh avi...@netbehaviour.org%3e To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org mailto:NetBehaviour%20for%20networked%20distributed%20creativity%20%3cnetbeh avi...@netbehaviour.org%3e Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Invitation to join me Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2010 16:37:15 +0100 So...yes please Ruth perhaps the interview has already started. :) Karen On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 12:21 PM, Ruth Catlow ruth.cat...@furtherfield.org wrote: Hi Karen, What an intriguing idea brimming with subversive potential; ) I would like to join you. But before I speak and act as you I would like to speak to you to find out more about you and why you have decided to to do this. How would you feel about a short interview here in the Netbehaviour list? very best things Ruth -Original Message- From: karen blissett karen.bliss...@googlemail.com mailto:karen%20blissett%20%3ckaren.bliss...@googlemail.com%3e Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org mailto:NetBehaviour%20for%20networked%20distributed%20creativity%20%3cnetbe havi...@netbehaviour.org%3e To: netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Subject: [NetBehaviour] Invitation to join me Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 14:43:24 +0100 Dear Friends. Please join me. Literally. I want to become more open and free, with a more distributed identity. So if you would like to take a break from yourself and speak and act as me instead, please drop me a personal email. If I trust you I will send you my password and you can start expressing me. Can't wait! Karen Blissett ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http
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Spammer art was a pain when we all had dial up and slow connections. It cost money as we paid for the minute (or MB). These days, for most of us, spam, art or not, is more an annoyance than an injury. However, there are many parts of the world who are still on capped, slow and pay per unit connections. In that context it is potentially arrogant, even injurious, to deluge people with data who weren't expecting it. Best Simon Simon Biggs s.bi...@eca.ac.uk si...@littlepig.org.uk Skype: simonbiggsuk http://www.littlepig.org.uk/ Research Professor edinburgh college of art http://www.eca.ac.uk/ Creative Interdisciplinary Research into CoLlaborative Environments http://www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ Electronic Literature as a Model of Creativity and Innovation in Practice http://www.elmcip.net/ Centre for Film, Performance and Media Arts http://www.ed.ac.uk/schools-departments/film-performance-media-arts From: Helen Sloan he...@scansite.org Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2010 22:19:40 +0100 To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Invitation to join me Dear Karens, I remember Integer, NN etc well and spent hours deleting their prolific contributions to listings some of which I looked at and others went unread. It¹s true that there was a mass exodus from Syndicate during that time which was a pity as it did good things and it never really recovered. Finally, I understood what was going on but felt a little sad as well. I¹m not up for a culture that¹s worth preserving eating itself. I¹m all for this activity in a way but why ( as happened in Syndicate¹s case) do it to ourselves? There must be much more of a statement to be made to do it in other contexts. In this respect, I really liked what Heath Bunting and Rachel Baker et al did with supermarkets at about the same time as these others. We¹re entering hard times and in my opinion we should be careful about the way we do these kinds of interventions now. But hey, you can tell me that I don¹t understand and I can take it. Just a thought. I look forward to hearing more from Karens but hope you don¹t implode. Best Helen Helen Sloan SCAN On 11/7/10 21:40, Michael Szpakowski szp...@yahoo.com wrote: I absolutely agree that this is more interesting than the Mandiberg, and for much the same reasons. Certainly there's a wild unpredictability to the ceding of something so personal as an e mail address which in terms of *real* consequences might play out much more creatively than the actually rather measured, prescriptive essentially conservative feel of the MM piece. (There always seemed to be a continual *desperation* with him to be on top of the next new thing, even when the result in art terms was not all that interesting. However he was a good egg in that he voluntarily gave his time to running an excellent calls and opps list for several years for that I am grateful...) cheers michael --- On Sun, 7/11/10, Ruth Catlow ruth.cat...@furtherfield.org wrote: From: Ruth Catlow ruth.cat...@furtherfield.org Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Invitation to join me To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Date: Sunday, July 11, 2010, 5:46 PM Great stuff so far Karen(s) and Marc and Michael and Alan, It seems to me Karen that you are likely to be closer to nn than to the essential guide to mandiberg... more anarcho-cyborg than the bureaucractic-art-twonk that is the over-surveyed subject of mandiberg's alter-ego; ) I think that's something to do with that fact that you are inviting people to join you by opening up your email. It is not about being multiple. It is being multiple. You have already told us a bit about your celebrity art parents. Do you feel that you are following in their footsteps? Why have you issued this invitation to join you now? And why by email when everyone is so busy socialising in sites like Facebook and Twitter? Cheers Ruth -Original Message- From: karen blissett karen.bliss...@googlemail.com mailto:karen%20blissett%20%3ckaren.bliss...@googlemail.com%3e Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org mailto:NetBehaviour%20for%20networked%20distributed%20creativity%20%3cnetbe h avi...@netbehaviour.org%3e To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org mailto:NetBehaviour%20for%20networked%20distributed%20creativity%20%3cnetbe h avi...@netbehaviour.org%3e Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Invitation to join me Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2010 16:37:15 +0100 So...yes please Ruth perhaps the interview has already started. :) Karen On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 12:21 PM, Ruth Catlow ruth.cat...@furtherfield.org wrote: Hi Karen, What an intriguing idea brimming
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...having been 1 of the celebrated spam artists back in the days of IntegerNN, it was a [relatively easy] option then [as it is now] 2 set up filters/blocks in regards 2 material list users find objectionable/overloading. i do agree, simon, that it might b deemed arrogant to deluge ppl with mammoth data hits: i think to associate this with the 7-11 list outpourings we did back in the late 90's is misleading. the art lists we spam/net.artists utilized knew full-well about our art practices + most encouraged it. context, content + the mechanisms of exclusion should b examined here as well as allusions 2 data-deluges;) chunks, @netwurker -- Reality Engineer Synthetic Environment Strategist Game[r + ] Theorist. ::http://unhub.com/netwurker :: On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 8:56 AM, Simon Biggs s.bi...@eca.ac.uk wrote: Spammer art was a pain when we all had dial up and slow connections. It cost money as we paid for the minute (or MB). These days, for most of us, spam, art or not, is more an annoyance than an injury. However, there are many parts of the world who are still on capped, slow and pay per unit connections. In that context it is potentially arrogant, even injurious, to deluge people with data who weren't expecting it. Best Simon Simon Biggs s.bi...@eca.ac.uk si...@littlepig.org.uk Skype: simonbiggsuk http://www.littlepig.org.uk/ Research Professor edinburgh college of art http://www.eca.ac.uk/ Creative Interdisciplinary Research into CoLlaborative Environments http://www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ Electronic Literature as a Model of Creativity and Innovation in Practice http://www.elmcip.net/ Centre for Film, Performance and Media Arts http://www.ed.ac.uk/schools-departments/film-performance-media-arts From: Helen Sloan he...@scansite.org Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2010 22:19:40 +0100 To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Invitation to join me Dear Karens, I remember Integer, NN etc well and spent hours deleting their prolific contributions to listings some of which I looked at and others went unread. It¹s true that there was a mass exodus from Syndicate during that time which was a pity as it did good things and it never really recovered. Finally, I understood what was going on but felt a little sad as well. I¹m not up for a culture that¹s worth preserving eating itself. I¹m all for this activity in a way but why ( as happened in Syndicate¹s case) do it to ourselves? There must be much more of a statement to be made to do it in other contexts. In this respect, I really liked what Heath Bunting and Rachel Baker et al did with supermarkets at about the same time as these others. We¹re entering hard times and in my opinion we should be careful about the way we do these kinds of interventions now. But hey, you can tell me that I don¹t understand and I can take it. Just a thought. I look forward to hearing more from Karens but hope you don¹t implode. Best Helen Helen Sloan SCAN ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
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Hey Simon To allow multiple people to take on your own identity is an interesting and risky idea. It should not be discouraged especially in our current political climate. But my last post asked that it be done in a considered way. I share your cynicism which is why I sent a gentle email of caution; but I really don't think it is up to us to be so directive in our responses to why it is a bad idea. You make a good point about cost of downloads (which is why it's so sad that syndicate burnt out) but let everyone work it out for themselves. Netbehaviour beware and focus on YouTube etc. Or even better ResPublica Best Helen On 11/7/10 23:56, Simon Biggs s.bi...@eca.ac.uk wrote: Spammer art was a pain when we all had dial up and slow connections. It cost money as we paid for the minute (or MB). These days, for most of us, spam, art or not, is more an annoyance than an injury. However, there are many parts of the world who are still on capped, slow and pay per unit connections. In that context it is potentially arrogant, even injurious, to deluge people with data who weren't expecting it. Best Simon Simon Biggs s.bi...@eca.ac.uk si...@littlepig.org.uk Skype: simonbiggsuk http://www.littlepig.org.uk/ Research Professor edinburgh college of art http://www.eca.ac.uk/ Creative Interdisciplinary Research into CoLlaborative Environments http://www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ Electronic Literature as a Model of Creativity and Innovation in Practice http://www.elmcip.net/ Centre for Film, Performance and Media Arts http://www.ed.ac.uk/schools-departments/film-performance-media-arts From: Helen Sloan he...@scansite.org Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2010 22:19:40 +0100 To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Invitation to join me Dear Karens, I remember Integer, NN etc well and spent hours deleting their prolific contributions to listings some of which I looked at and others went unread. It¹s true that there was a mass exodus from Syndicate during that time which was a pity as it did good things and it never really recovered. Finally, I understood what was going on but felt a little sad as well. I¹m not up for a culture that¹s worth preserving eating itself. I¹m all for this activity in a way but why ( as happened in Syndicate¹s case) do it to ourselves? There must be much more of a statement to be made to do it in other contexts. In this respect, I really liked what Heath Bunting and Rachel Baker et al did with supermarkets at about the same time as these others. We¹re entering hard times and in my opinion we should be careful about the way we do these kinds of interventions now. But hey, you can tell me that I don¹t understand and I can take it. Just a thought. I look forward to hearing more from Karens but hope you don¹t implode. Best Helen Helen Sloan SCAN On 11/7/10 21:40, Michael Szpakowski szp...@yahoo.com wrote: I absolutely agree that this is more interesting than the Mandiberg, and for much the same reasons. Certainly there's a wild unpredictability to the ceding of something so personal as an e mail address which in terms of *real* consequences might play out much more creatively than the actually rather measured, prescriptive essentially conservative feel of the MM piece. (There always seemed to be a continual *desperation* with him to be on top of the next new thing, even when the result in art terms was not all that interesting. However he was a good egg in that he voluntarily gave his time to running an excellent calls and opps list for several years for that I am grateful...) cheers michael --- On Sun, 7/11/10, Ruth Catlow ruth.cat...@furtherfield.org wrote: From: Ruth Catlow ruth.cat...@furtherfield.org Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Invitation to join me To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Date: Sunday, July 11, 2010, 5:46 PM Great stuff so far Karen(s) and Marc and Michael and Alan, It seems to me Karen that you are likely to be closer to nn than to the essential guide to mandiberg... more anarcho-cyborg than the bureaucractic-art-twonk that is the over-surveyed subject of mandiberg's alter-ego; ) I think that's something to do with that fact that you are inviting people to join you by opening up your email. It is not about being multiple. It is being multiple. You have already told us a bit about your celebrity art parents. Do you feel that you are following in their footsteps? Why have you issued this invitation to join you now? And why by email when everyone is so busy socialising in sites like Facebook and Twitter? Cheers Ruth -Original Message- From: karen blissett karen.bliss...@googlemail.com mailto:karen%20blissett%20%3ckaren.bliss
[NetBehaviour] Invitation to join me
Dear Friends. Please join me. Literally. I want to become more open and free, with a more distributed identity. So if you would like to take a break from yourself and speak and act as me instead, please drop me a personal email. If I trust you I will send you my password and you can start expressing me. Can't wait! Karen Blissett -- Open, Free, Public and Distributed at last. ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
