Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: 83 Nighthawk 550 Many Problems

[Holger Selover-Stephan]

Can you move the rear brake lever freely? I don't remember if it was 
suggested that it could be a stuck rear brake. 

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Removing petcock screen

[Holger Selover-Stephan]

Something like this:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/HONDA-CB750C-FT500-CB450SC-VF700S-GL500-GL650-CB900C-FUEL-PETCOCK-FILTER-SCREEN-/122992172956

On Sat, Dec 28, 2019 at 3:25 PM Lar  wrote:

> Thank you everyone for your help. I will try the liquid wrench idea, never
> thought of that. Actually I'm not even sure what is up in there that I'm
> trying to pull out.  Does anyone have a diagram or photo of what is inside
> the tank?There is a plastic tube but after that?
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[Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Removing petcock screen

[Holger Selover-Stephan]

Lar, I had the same problem. Finally took a needle nose plier to it and 
yanked it out. The screen did get marred a bit, but still usable. And I 
think they can be found on eBay.

Holger

On Friday, December 27, 2019 at 4:07:55 PM UTC-8, Lar wrote:
>
> 83 nighthawk 650  I need to take everything off the fuel tank to get it 
> rust treated inside. I unscrewed the petcock assembly but the plastic tube 
> going into the tank with a screen will not move. Any thoughts on how it 
> comes out.  I don't want to break anything and be stuck for parts I'll 
> never find.  Thanks 
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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] New Member / 83' Nighthawk 550 Many Problems

[Holger Selover-Stephan]

I replaced the square with a round headlight to go LED. Worked great, with
a ton of light. But then I bought just an LED bulb for the 700S and that
one puts out almost as much light. I'd gladly fortify the authentic look
for the better light and visibility.

Holger

On Sat, Dec 7, 2019 at 6:36 PM Robert James  wrote:

> Thanks, yeah I could use a copy. The 550 had the square light according to
> everything I'm finding. This one has been through a lot, I imagine the last
> guy just threw some lights on that were laying around. I think the round
> light looks a little cooler, you're right about that 80's look, the square
> light really dates it
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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Turn signalcancel unit

[Holger Selover-Stephan]

On my 700S the lever doesn't stay on the side the indicator is active on.
To cancel, I have to nudge it into the opposite direction. So, to blink
right I shove the lever to the right, and the right indicator starts
blinking. But when I then release the lever it immediately snaps back to
the middle. It's a little annoying since I have to remember which direction
to move the lever to cancel. Anyone know how to fix that?

Thanks,

Holger

On Fri, Oct 11, 2019, 08:03 geo-hawk allan  wrote:

> howdy darin, it's like tommy said on the 700S, ...same button/lever you
> flip left or right to turn on the signalPUSH IN on it to shut off signal
>
> On Wednesday, October 9, 2019 at 4:51:16 PM UTC-4, Darin Hatton wrote:
>>
>> After much looking in the factory service manual for my 700s I still
>> cannot find any info on the turn signal cancel unit , let alone find it on
>> my bike. Turn signals don't turn off by themself. Anyone have a pic of
>> where it is located on 85 700s nighthawk? I'm afraid previous owner may
>> have removed ? Thanks in advance
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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] New Member

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Looks great, Donny. What paint did you use for the frame, engine and tank? I am 
currently painting the tank as well. Where did you get the Honda decal? 

Holger

> On Oct 3, 2019, at 12:39 PM, Donny Ravioli  wrote:
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> Forgive me, I've been on many forums but never a google group before. The 
> format seems a little different.

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: 1983 NH CB 650 - need to change tires

[Holger Selover-Stephan]

Jenya, I think you’re talking about the brushes, which are a chunk of 
compressed carbon powder: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brush_(electric) 
 They’re rubbed over a ring of 
contacts and worked down over time. After so many years they’re rubbed through 
and gone. That’s normal.

Holger

> On Sep 30, 2019, at 6:20 PM, Jenya Spektor  wrote:
> 
> Bernie , Kyle - thank you as always. My question - is it common for the 
> magnets to disintegrate like this? Mine has only wires left - no magnets at 
> all. I will read through your post and I am sure will ask more questions. 
> Best, J

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: 1983 NH CB 650 - need to change tires

[Holger Selover-Stephan]

I broke it with an arbor press: 
https://www.harborfreight.com/1-ton-arbor-press-3552.html 
. If this thing 
hadn’t worked, I would have given the shop press a try. Just in case you have 
any of that in your shop.

Or maybe this here: 
https://www.harborfreight.com/manual-tire-changer-69686.html 


Holger

> On Sep 24, 2019, at 2:59 PM, Graham Rogers  wrote:
> 
> Yes it’s a pain. I have a tire changing machine, non electric, but it has a 
> means of breaking the bead. 

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: 1983 NH CB 650 - need to change tires

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On Sep 16, 2019, at 6:26 PM, Jenya Spektor  wrote:
> 
> Thanks as always - now when it is ‘3818’ that means 38th week of 2018, 
> correct? Thanks

yup

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[Nighthawk Lovers] Re: 1983 NH CB 650 - need to change tires

[Holger Selover-Stephan]

Uh, I think I misunderstood you. The *wheels* are easy to take off the 
bike. Takes just a few minutes. Follow the manual when mounting them again, 
there are a few gotchas.

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[Nighthawk Lovers] Re: 1983 NH CB 650 - need to change tires

[Holger Selover-Stephan]

> 1. Are they tubeless tires?
Yes, should be

> 2. Which tires would you recommend - budget pick but good quality that 
lasts...
This has been discussed earlier here in this group. I'd just look that up.

> 3. Is it relatively easy to take them off the bike?
If you have good tire irons and you're a proud graduate of the Youtube 
College, I'd say it's not hard to do. I took them off and mounted them 
myself (first time on a motorcycle). My first attempt was a failure though, 
with cheap HF tire irons that bent like wet noodles.

Holger

On Monday, September 16, 2019 at 9:59:25 AM UTC-7, Jenya Spektor wrote:
>
> Hey Friends.
> I am sure there are topics already in existence for the topic, but wanted 
> to see what you can suggest.
> I just discovered a few cracks in the side wall of my rear tire - time to 
> get rid of it.
> My local shop had some questions for in order to give me a more accurate 
> price (going rate is at $55 p.t.) if I am to bring the wheels to them so 
> they don't have to take them off there.
> 1. Are they tubeless tires?
> 2. Which tires would you recommend - budget pick but good quality that 
> lasts...
> 3. Is it relatively easy to take them off the bike?
>
> Thank you in advance.
> Yours, Jenya
>
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[Nighthawk Lovers] Tank decals - where to buy?

[Holger Selover-Stephan]

I'm painting our 650SC's tank and I'm looking for the tank decals. The ones 
I see advertised don't match the original ones. 

Also, interestingly, there's a full decal set for the 700S available: 

https://cbdecals.afegraphics.com/view_product.php?adminshopping==84cb700scRD-FullKit-H8812

But $200...ouch! Anybody know a less expensive source? Might want to do our 
700S as well. 

Thanks,

Holger

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Fuel Petcock Leak - CB700SC Nighthawk S - Need Advice!

[Holger Selover-Stephan]

More insight from the eBay seller: 

"Honda used two different petcocks on this model. One with a bowl and one 
without. This is the only one I sell.”

Looks like I have the petcock without the sediment bowl.

Holger

> On Sep 9, 2019, at 6:49 AM, Holger Selover-Stephan  
> wrote:
> 
> I ordered from what looked like the same kit for a little less: 
> 
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/PETCOCK-REBUILD-GASKET-KIT-CB650-CB650SC-CB750SC-CB900-CB1000-CB1100-CB1100F/172153138754
>  
> <https://www.ebay.com/itm/PETCOCK-REBUILD-GASKET-KIT-CB650-CB650SC-CB750SC-CB900-CB1000-CB1100-CB1100F/172153138754?ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649>
> 
> …but it doesn’t fit the petcock on the '83 650SC. The seller explained his 
> kit “is for the petcock with the settlement bowl”, which, evidently, the 
> 650’s isn’t. 
> 
> Back to the hunt…
> 
> Holger

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Fuel Petcock Leak - CB700SC Nighthawk S - Need Advice!

[Holger Selover-Stephan]

I ordered from what looked like the same kit for a little less: 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/PETCOCK-REBUILD-GASKET-KIT-CB650-CB650SC-CB750SC-CB900-CB1000-CB1100-CB1100F/172153138754
 


…but it doesn’t fit the petcock on the '83 650SC. The seller explained his kit 
“is for the petcock with the settlement bowl”, which, evidently, the 650’s 
isn’t. 

Back to the hunt…

Holger

> On Sep 1, 2019, at 8:43 AM, Slow4  wrote:
> 
> I used the kit in the link as well as a NOS valve bowl o-ring. Necessary to 
> buy both and well worth it!
> 
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/HONDA-FUEL-PETCOCK-REBUILD-GASKET-KIT-CB650-CB650SC-CB750SC-CB900-CB1000-CB1100/121240091093

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Fuel Petcock Leak - CB700SC Nighthawk S - Need Advice!

[Holger Selover-Stephan]

Perfect, thanks!

> On Sep 1, 2019, at 8:43 AM, Slow4  wrote:
> 
> I used the kit in the link as well as a NOS valve bowl o-ring. Necessary to 
> buy both and well worth it!
> 
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/HONDA-FUEL-PETCOCK-REBUILD-GASKET-KIT-CB650-CB650SC-CB750SC-CB900-CB1000-CB1100/121240091093?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2648

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Fuel Petcock Leak - CB700SC Nighthawk S - Need Advice!

[Holger Selover-Stephan]

Forgot to add the link to the petcock on eBay: 
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Fuel-Valve-Petcock-Assembly-For-Honda-CB650SC-Nighthawk-1983-85/202339980612?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649

For the $8, I might just order another one, throw it away and keep the 
gasket for the 700S. Bloody waste, but only source I know of. 

Holger

On Saturday, August 31, 2019 at 9:41:47 PM UTC-7, Holger Selover-Stephan 
wrote:
>
> I drilled out the rivets on the 650SC petcock and found that 
> part-# 16953-283-000 does *not* fit. At least not on a 650SC (and 
> probably also not on a 700S). Attached a photo for comparison. 
>
> Luckily, I had bought a cheapish petcock from eBay a while back. That one 
> was advertised to fit the 650SC (and of course does not). But it had the 
> right size gasket! 
>
> If anyone know the correct part number and a source, that would be 
> helpful. Still need to do the petcock on the 700S, which is also leaking 
> even after a rebuild. 
>
> Holger
>

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] My bike (1983 NH 650) went dead - no electrical power at all.

[Holger Selover-Stephan]

Time for a beer!!!

> On Aug 2, 2019, at 1:53 PM, Jenya Spektor  wrote:
> 
> It’s actually the spark plug - just swapped it with a new one and viola - the 
> header is hot and we are in business. Thank you guys- you advice and time is 
> much appreciated

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] My bike (1983 NH 650) went dead - no electrical power at all.

[Holger Selover-Stephan]

I meant "ran the engine with one spark plug wire removed"

On Friday, August 2, 2019 at 1:27:04 PM UTC-7, Holger Selover-Stephan wrote:
>
> Good advice from Graham. My money is fuel not getting to the cylinder. If 
> you ran the engine with one spark plug removed from a working cylinder and 
> you pulled that plug you should see unburned gas on plug and inside the 
> jug. You reported a dry plug, so the cylinder isn’t supplied with fuel. 
>

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] My bike (1983 NH 650) went dead - no electrical power at all.

[Holger Selover-Stephan]

Good advice from Graham. My money is fuel not getting to the cylinder. If you 
ran the engine with one spark plug removed from a working cylinder and you 
pulled that plug you should see unburned gas on plug and inside the jug. You 
reported a dry plug, so the cylinder isn’t supplied with fuel. 

Have you tried injecting gas directly into this carb and tested the cylinder 
temp?

> On Aug 2, 2019, at 1:16 PM, Graham Rogers  wrote:
> 
> I would still swap #3 carb with one of the others in the same bank just to be 
> sure

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Fuel Petcock Leak - CB700SC Nighthawk S - Need Advice!

[Holger Selover-Stephan]

I think you’re looking for Honda Part# 16953-283-000. I ordered one myself, but 
have yet to install it, so can’t say for sure it’s the right one.

https://www.partzilla.com/product/honda/16953-283-000 


Holger

> On Jul 25, 2019, at 5:15 AM, Slow4  wrote:
> 
> Sorry to dig up an old thread, I’m chasing a leaky Petcock myself and can’t 
> find the correct rebuild kit. I think the leaky part is the x-ring behind the 
> turning mechanism. Does anybody know where I can find this replacement gasket?

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] My bike (1983 NH 650) went dead - no electrical power at all.

[Holger Selover-Stephan]

Looks good. Also use some contact cleaner (i.e. CRC QD Electronic Cleaner). 
Could definitely be the ignition switch. In fact, that's where I'd have 
looked first, since it has moving parts and is somewhat exposed to the 
elements. You can hotwire it to see if you get power that way. 

Holger

On Thursday, July 25, 2019 at 4:33:04 AM UTC-7, Jenya Spektor wrote:
>
> Did do everything you guys suggested. The fuse box looked very clean and 
> all the connections are very snug (see pics). Replaced the fuses with a new 
> set. Connected the plugs back in - still no power.  
> I am thinking the ignition switch?(since I did tug on the wires, maybe 
> they got dislodged inside the ignition switch housing?).
> What else should I do if that is not the case? Thanks as always.
>

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] 700S headlight not working.

[Holger Selover-Stephan]

I’d measure the voltage at each switch (on/off at the right handle, high/low at 
the left), on either side of switch to see at which station it’s interrupted. 
Could it be a ground issue?

> On Jun 11, 2019, at 7:44 PM, Graham Rogers  wrote:
> 
> Tonight I put a volt meter on the headlight plug. White wire was about 9 
> volts with nothing at the blue, which is meant to be at 12 when going high 
> beam. Tried switching both hand controls, left and right. I even tried 
> another whole gauge cluster. No different. Where does the head light get it’s 
> power? 

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] 700S headlight not working.

[Holger Selover-Stephan]

Good! Just trying to think of stuff I sometimes overlook. So are you getting 
good voltage at high/low beam switch? That and the starter switch seem to be 
exposed to the elements the most, and see the most mechanical use. You could 
also hot wire it at the switch and see if that does anything.

> On Jun 11, 2019, at 8:53 AM, Graham Rogers  wrote:
> 
> Yes and yes. I have another 700S that I test against

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] 700S headlight not working.

[Holger Selover-Stephan]

Did you make sure all those replacement parts are functional? They’re probably 
all old as stone - you could easily have two bad ones there. Also, are you 
using contact cleaner?

> On Jun 11, 2019, at 5:04 AM, Graham Rogers  wrote:
> 
> Tested that to by replacing it
> 
> On Tue, Jun 11, 2019, 8:00 AM Kyle Munz  > wrote:
> The right hand control, specifically the starter button, can cut out the 
> headlight too. Make sure the button isn't sticking.

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] 700S headlight not working.

[Holger Selover-Stephan]

Graham, do you have a little multimeter? Here is one at HF for $5: 
https://www.harborfreight.com/7-Function-Digital-Multimeter-63759.html 
 . I’d 
test whether you good voltage at the light bulb socket. Then follow down the 
harness and test at any connection for voltage. 

Holger

> On Jun 10, 2019, at 7:31 PM, Graham Rogers  wrote:
> 
> I’ve tested the following by replacing the headlight lamp, headlight wiring, 
> the left hand control with dimmer, the fuse block. I have secured all 
> harnesses. Still no headlight (high or low beam).  If I had another ignition 
> switch I could test that to. Any suggestions?

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Gas tank issue?

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Wow!! Same month, same place, that’s crazy! I took the intermediate class but 
flunked it. Then took the beginner’s class with the daughter and they 
graciously let me pass that one. Daughter and I earned the same score they said.

Getting back to it after 35 years - that earns my respect!! 

I’ll be in Delaware til next week, but I’ll give you a call. Would like to see 
your rig. Will be riding out to the airport tomorrow at dawn - evidently 
there’s free motorcycle parking. 

See ya - Holger

> On May 15, 2019, at 8:29 PM, Harold Peters  wrote:
> 
>  As you can see by my card I was there on June 2nd. I hadn't ridden for about 
> 35 years. And I never had a endorsement

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Gas tank issue?

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> On May 9, 2019, at 6:07 PM, Harold Peters  wrote:
> 
> Before the filter I was able to get it up to 85 miles per hour. Now at 70 
> miles per hour sustained it seems like the engine just slowly dies. I let it 
> sit and cool, and after I take off I can go 60-65 all day long until I take 
> it up to the 70 mark

That is exactly what we had on the 650. 60-65 MPH: no problem. Go faster and 
the bike dies. Rather suddenly on our bike, just enough time to hobble to the 
side of the freeway. After having taken out that inline fuel filter I rode it 
over an hour at 70+ MPH without a problem. Well, with one exception. We were 
getting the daughter back to the college, wife and her in the car following me 
on her bike. Bike dies shortly after hitting the freeway. Damn!! - I thought, 
taking out the fuel filter had not fixed the problem! Until I realized the fuel 
shutoff valve was turned off. Bloody beginners! The ladies in the car got a 
good laugh out of that one.

Holger

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Gas tank issue?

[Holger Selover-Stephan]

Hi Harold,

Funny, didn’t know we had someone on this list so close here. That blue bike of 
yours is much nicer than what I have, or gave our daughter. You’ve seen my 
postings here for  less than a year. June last year my daughter and I took the 
beginner’s class - in Oregon City. The daughter rode once from Portland to 
Corvallis, then to and from a wildlife place near Corvallis three times a week 
- and nowhere else. In a way I’m glad, less chances for her to get hurt. But 
now another student talked her into taking the bike out for a ride this 
Saturday, with his buddies. Maybe she can learn from the “big boys”! :) 

I’ll give you a call. 

Cheers,

Holger


> On May 9, 2019, at 6:02 PM, Harold Peters  wrote:
> 
> I've been following you for the last year or two Holger. Like you I'm giving 
> my bike to my child. I have a 23 year old son. Was going to give him the blue 
> bike but I just got to give him the best I got. I work in Oregon City doing 
> apartment maintenance directly behind the Oregon City grocery outlet and the 
> water tower. Address is 581 Holmes Lane unit number 18. Phone number 
> 503-933-0527. Give me a text if you'd like to swing by and compare notes.

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Gas tank issue?

[Holger Selover-Stephan]

Harold: Do you live in Oregon City? I’m in Lake Oswego. 

Holger

> On May 9, 2019, at 5:41 PM, Harold Peters  wrote:
> 
> I had similar problems. As for checking the gas cap suck on it with it open 
> or off like I did. Seems like the most I can use in my tank is 2.6 gallons. 
> Recently did a run to Sacramento in 18 hours from Oregon City, Oregon. But I 
> do have a problem that I'm going to take as cavitation after my second fuel 
> line

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Gas tank issue?

[Holger Selover-Stephan]

I should add her petcock is leaking (again). I had rebuilt it, but only the 
vacuum side. Next I will replace the round gasket in the other side. Maybe it’s 
the petcock after all. 

Holger

> On May 6, 2019, at 6:00 PM, Amanda Wurzer  wrote:
> 
> Makes sense. But it's weird that it only started happening this year. And 
> only seems to happen at a lower fuel level

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Carbs clogged...again??

[Holger Selover-Stephan]

Darin: unfortunately I don't know as the fuel filter came with the bike. 
Never had an issue with it around town and even driving backcountry roads 
at 50-60 mph. We only ran into fuel starvation when going >60 mph on the 
freeway. 

Yeah, I'd like to add an inline filter as well, but for now, both the 650 
and the 700 have none. I bought this one: 
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0014C81R2/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o03_s00?ie=UTF8=1
 but 
didn't realize how big it is. Still, if I can get it in I'll try it out on 
the 700. This filter is more than double the size of the one that choked 
the 650.

Holger

On Monday, April 29, 2019 at 10:13:46 AM UTC-7, Darin Hatton wrote:
>
> So holger, what micron size fuel filter did you use when having the 
> trouble at freeway speeds ? Would like to add one to mine as I am getting 
> very fine particles of the liner inside my tank into the carbs. Thanks 
> Darin. 85 700s

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[Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Are both mirrors righ hand thread?

[Holger Selover-Stephan]

On Wednesday, April 24, 2019 at 9:13:02 AM UTC-7, aajawo wrote:
>
> Do both mirrors on a 1983 NH 650 have normal right hand threads?
>

Yes, both are right-hand thread.
 

> Anybody replace their sight glass with success?
>

Check out Kyle's blog: http://nighthawk.kylemunz.com/?p=654

Holger 

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Carbs clogged...again??

[Holger Selover-Stephan]

> Did you separate jet from emulsion tube when you cleaned?

Yes, I did. And I let the jets and seat sit in carb cleaner overnight, then 
cleaned them with fresh carb cleaner and finally brake fluid. Lots of 
compressed air in between and afterward. They’re clean, pretty sure. Thanks for 
making sure with me though!

Bob suggested (off list) to clean the pilot screws. Will do that next. 

Holger

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] UK members

[Holger Selover-Stephan]

I don’t think the map is full - I just added the daughter’s 650. 

Holger

> On Mar 6, 2019, at 11:10 AM, bobshel...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> I tried to use it but it was full.

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Carbs clogged...again??

[Holger Selover-Stephan]

70 microns - that may be the better grade. I’ll give that a try. Thanks again 
for helping me troubleshoot this!

Holger

> On Mar 6, 2019, at 10:27 AM, bobshel...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> I agree, the large capacity is 70 microns. Maybe each time the tank gets 
> stirred up fine particles are slowing the flow in your carbs. Anytime you run 
> a warm bike on choke to keep it going it's starving for fuel. Maybe the small 
> dense filter is plugged. 
> 
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> On Wed, Mar 6, 2019 at 12:20 PM, Holger Selover-Stephan
>  wrote:
> 15 microns will filter out smaller particles. After finding some reddish 
> residue in one carb I was motivated to find a fine filter. 
> 
> > On Mar 6, 2019, at 10:15 AM, bobshel...@gmail.com 
> > <mailto:bobshel...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> > 70 micron vs 15 micron which is better? 
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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Carbs clogged...again??

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15 microns will filter out smaller particles. After finding some reddish 
residue in one carb I was motivated to find a fine filter. 

> On Mar 6, 2019, at 10:15 AM, bobshel...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> 70 micron vs 15 micron which is better? 

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Carbs clogged...again??

[Holger Selover-Stephan]

Bob, thanks for posting links and pictures of those fuel filters. I had not 
seen them before. The last one says “large capacity”, that’s probably better 
than the small one I got from Cycle Gear. I’ll still looking for a smaller 15 
micron or so filter, but that may not exist. I’ll get the L filter then.

Holger

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Carbs clogged...again??

[Holger Selover-Stephan]

Roger that!

> On Mar 5, 2019, at 7:29 PM, Kyle Munz  wrote:
> 
> No filter, the fuel cock has a filter in the sediment bowl and the reserve 
> straw should have a strainer around that as well.

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Carbs clogged...again??

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> On Mar 5, 2019, at 6:43 PM, bobshel...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> How about using compressed air to blow everything out. One thing you can do 
> to check the diaphrams after the carbs are reassembled is use light air 
> pressure to lift them and see how they react. Blow air lightly across this 
> opening shown by the cursor. If one or more lifts slower than the others it 
> creates some hesitation.
> <20190305_203924.jpg>

Cool, I’ll give that a try next time the carb is out. Thanks for the tip, Bob! 
Right now I’m hoping I can leave them installed the the problem goes away 
magically (yeah, dream on!). 

> My experience with the small inline filters is they don't flow enough at 
> freeway speeds and the bike starves for fuel.

Kyle, do you use no inline fuel filter then, or did you find a way to install a 
larger one? I had bought this one: 
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0014C81R2/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o01_s00?ie=UTF8=1
 

 but it was just a little too large for the 700S. It actually might fit with a 
more flexible fuel line. I might give it another try. Having a 15 micron filter 
would be nice. 

Holger

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Carbs clogged...again??

[Holger Selover-Stephan]

I installed an inline filter the day before it ran so badly. Drained the tank. 
Maybe that got some contamination dislodged? I tried to install a 15 micron 
filter, but couldn’t fit it, size wise. So now it’s a cheapo motorcycle gas 
filter from Cycle Gear. The gas is fresh and ethanol-free. 

Holger

> On Mar 5, 2019, at 6:28 PM, Bob Sheller  wrote:
> 
> Maybe some dirt left behind in the carbs or is the fuel fresh and you never 
> said if you use an inline fuel filter. It makes a big difference. Treat the 
> lady to some fresh non ethanol fuel.

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Carbs clogged...again??

[Holger Selover-Stephan]

Next time I have the carbs out I’ll give them to a ultrasonic cleaning service 
as well. Yes, I checked the diaphragms, and they seemed fine. Yes, I cleaned 
the hell out of the valve seats and soaked the jets in carb cleaner several 
hours. The carb body I soaked in Pine-Sol overnight, and then washed it down 
several times with first carb cleaner, then brake cleaner. Lots of compressed 
air. I have not used Seafoam since the carb job, and I’m using e-free gas 
exclusively. What seems so weird to me is how it snaps from being abysmally bad 
to running pretty good for the freezing temps we have here currently. Smells 
like something mechanical.

Holger

> On Mar 5, 2019, at 6:21 PM, bobshel...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> This was right after I got it and didn't know how much rust was in the tank. 
> I just sent my carbs to have them cleaned in a $5000.00  ultrasonic cleaner. 
> They will be like factory new. Can't wait! Did you check the diaphrams for 
> damage, are the float valve seats super clean? Do you soak the carbs in a 
> carb cleaner? Just some thoughts. Good luck! Do you use stabil or seafoam and 
> non ethanol fuel?

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Carbs clogged...again??

[Holger Selover-Stephan]

Yikes, Arthur, did you slaughter a pig or what? I don't think my tank is 
rusted, but it's possible. The petcock sump is clear, and all 4 cylinders 
are firing. And I think I can rule out the 5 gal container as source of 
contamination after realizing I had used it for the 650 as well, and that 
one has no carb issues. 

Mine is a bit of a cantankerous old lady it seems: today she's idling 
alright even after pulling the choke. Took her for a spin, and she's 
running fine. Yesterday she died three times during my commute to work, 
sputtered and coughed during acceleration and died immediately when easing 
up on the choke. Today I grudgingly took the car into work, and she decides 
to better snap into shape, lest she be left at home again tomorrow. The 
carbs do need balancing, I'll do that next. But I have no idea what's 
really going on with Mademoiselle.

Holger

On Tuesday, March 5, 2019 at 7:47:34 AM UTC-8, Arthur R (Bob) Sheller wrote:
>
> That's true, is the tank rusted? If so you need to run a filter. I found 
> that out the hard way. My petcock bowl was packed with rust. This is how 
> much came out of the bowl!

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Carbs clogged...again??

[Holger Selover-Stephan]

Thank you both. I will do both tests. Also, I may have introduced something 
by draining the fuel into a 5gal container and pouring that back into the 
tank.

Holger

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[Nighthawk Lovers] Carbs clogged...again??

[Holger Selover-Stephan]

Hi all,

My post carb clean bliss lasted 40 miles. Back to the before-behavior of 
needing choke to run, and idling at 3k after the engine warmed up. I guess 
it could be rust in the tank. There was some reddish residue in one carb, 
but the others had none. 

Is there anything else that could cause this behavior:

Cold engine, full choke, starts right up
Warm engine: needs full choke and idles at 3k-4k. The idle screw I had set 
to around 1k when the engine was running fine after the carb cleaning. 

The only other thing I did was adding an inline fuel filter. I could take 
that out for a test. 

Thanks!

Holger

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] 700S: which petcock repair kit?

[Holger Selover-Stephan]

Thank you, Kyle, that helps! I think I tracked it down to part 
# 16950-292-000 (but it could also be 16955-268-020). 

Holger

On Monday, March 4, 2019 at 8:00:13 AM UTC-8, Kyle Munz wrote:
>
> If you're talking about the part I think you are, this advice I got from a 
> friend years ago might help.
>
> FYI: in the old days before that was rendered not-serviceable, there
>> were two screws that could be removed and a biscuit that had holes in
>> it. The petcock handle slides across the holes opening and closing them
>> to get off/on/res. If you're real handy, drill the rivets out and buy a
>> part for an old bike (IE: CB350) it will fit.
>> Tap the holes and use screws, great cheap repair. The part is called 
>> "petcock packing set"
>>
>>
> -Kyle
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[Nighthawk Lovers] 700S: which petcock repair kit?

[Holger Selover-Stephan]

Hi, 

I used KL's kit # 18-2701 
 to repair my 
700S petcock, but it's still dripping in the Reserve position. Opening up 
the side with the handle revealed a deteriorated rubber gasket.The one with 
the round holes in it. Kit # 18-2701 only repairs the vacuum membrane. I 
can't find the part number of the rubber part with the 3 round holes on the 
handle side on the microfiches. It looks a bit like the left lower rubber 
part in this picture 

. 

Anybody know which repair kit to use for the handle side of the 700S 
petcock? 

Thanks,

Holger

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] 1983 Cb650 Fuse box between the forks

[Holger Selover-Stephan]

Aha! Kyle, your blog (and thus, you) are the reason I ride a 700 S now. I had 
been looking for your blog after having lost track of it, and now here it is 
again. It’s fun to look up the images that got me on this track. 

Holger

> On Mar 3, 2019, at 5:30 PM, Kyle Munz  wrote:
> 
> As far as I know, they aren't the same. Even the 700 and 550 from the same 
> era are have different fuse blocks. You're best bet is probably eBay. If you 
> think yours is worth saving, I took pics when I rebuilt mine.
> http://nighthawk.kylemunz.com/?p=166 

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: 650SC taken over by daughter

[Holger Selover-Stephan]

"My new riding partner” - ha! I’m as new to it as she (we took the basic riding 
class together). She’s been out with the bike a few times, and has NOT dropped 
it again. She says she feels more confident handling the bike now, so I’m 
hopeful. I’ll try to lower her bike some, nonetheless. 

I should tell the story how she dropped the bike (twice) on the day we drove to 
her college town. So we finally got geared up and went to the local gas station 
for the good stuff (e-free). While there, my mother-in-law drives by and waves 
to her grand daughter. Johanna (the grand daughter) turns around in her seat to 
wave back…and drops the bike! Super mortified, we head back home to switch 
clutch lever (I got the broken one), and I question the whole trip. Later, when 
we arrived at her town, frozen stiff, I went into the wrong parking lot, and we 
had to back out. I was just saying “Don’t drop it!” - before she lay flat. But 
I love (as a father) that she hasn’t given up. That’s what counts in my book. 
And I’m getting better welding clutch levers.

More than you ever wanted to know about this family. 

Holger

> On Feb 27, 2019, at 3:28 PM, Darin Hatton  wrote:
> 
> How's it going with your new riding partner?  Glad yo hear you got your carbs 
> lined out, hard to beat that sound when it's " purring like a kitten"

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Carbs cleaned

[Holger Selover-Stephan]

You guys’ 700 look so much cleaner than mine! On the positive side though, I 
cleaned the carb and now she’s purring again. 

Holger

> On Feb 26, 2019, at 3:21 PM, Darin Hatton  wrote:
> 
> Ride was great. Full face helmet made all the difference in the world. My 
> nighthawk is about the 10th bike I've had and no helmet since 17 years old. 
> Rolled the dice long enough

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Starter Solenoid plug melting

[Holger Selover-Stephan]

I’m new around here as well, but from other vehicles, if electrical insulation 
melts, it usually means there is a short right where the damage is found. If 
you had an issue elsewhere in the system that causes over-current, you’d either 
have a fuse pop or you’d see melting elsewhere. You found melting at the same 
spot twice, so that’s where your cause is, nowhere else. It’s most likely crud, 
stray strands, or exposed wires that are moved together, that shortens the 
circuit right there, which creates the heat that damaged the wires or connector.

Holger 

> On Feb 22, 2019, at 6:48 AM, Final Twist  
> wrote:
> 
> Are bad connections the only possible cause of this happening?  Does anyone 
> know what the other 3 wires do in the connector?  I can't read the really 
> complex wiring diagrams for the motorcycle 

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[Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Valve cover gasket leaking.

[Holger Selover-Stephan]

Another possible 
source? https://www.siriusconinc.com/m/products-detail.php?product_id=910

On Wednesday, February 20, 2019 at 8:59:13 AM UTC-8, Holger Selover-Stephan 
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>
> Mark, if you haven't found one yet, there may be one here: 
> https://www.partsnmore.com/parts/honda/cb700sc/ . I spotted it in an 
> engine overhaul kit, actually two different kits. Maybe they'll sell you 
> just that gasket? 
>
> Holger
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[Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Valve cover gasket leaking.

[Holger Selover-Stephan]

Mark, if you haven't found one yet, there may be one 
here: https://www.partsnmore.com/parts/honda/cb700sc/ . I spotted it in an 
engine overhaul kit, actually two different kits. Maybe they'll sell you 
just that gasket? 

Holger

On Thursday, February 14, 2019 at 11:05:18 AM UTC-8, Mark Schroeder wrote:
>
> Bought an 86 700 nighthawk last year out of a collection. The valve cover 
> gasket started to weep and figured it might go away as the bike sat for a 
> few years in captivity lol.it didn't...after 8000 miles it started to 
> leak even worse.
> I assume I have to change it. 
> Where in Canada can I purchase one.my local Honda dealer said they 
> were obsolete. 
> Help!!
> Cheers
> Mark Schroeder  

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Carbs cleaned

[Holger Selover-Stephan]

Yup, found the rebuild set for the 700S: 
http://www.jetsrus.com/individual_parts/KL_18_2430.html 
 . $25/carb…I think 
I’ll give it a try with only my float bowl gaskets. Seemed to have worked on 
the 650.

Holger

> On Feb 19, 2019, at 8:45 AM, Graham Rogers  wrote:
> 
> I have bought from jets r us and last full set for an xj750 maxim were from 
> Taiwan. They worked fine

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Carbs cleaned

[Holger Selover-Stephan]

Thanks, Graham, that’s pretty good pricing! 

> On Feb 19, 2019, at 8:34 AM, Graham Rogers  wrote:
> 
> I can't remember, did the carb kits a year ago and probably ones I already 
> had. I get rubber gaskets for about 20 cents each at Mennonite farm store. 
> Has huge selection. I take carb bowel and the find o ring to fit

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Carbs cleaned

[Holger Selover-Stephan]

Graham, which carb rebuild kit did you use for the 700S? I have to clean my 
carb, and ordered just the float bowl gaskets. 

Good to know about the brake cleaner not leaving any residue!

Thanks,

Holger

> On Feb 19, 2019, at 6:50 AM, Graham Rogers  wrote:
> 
> Cleaned the carbs of my 86 700S yesterday. Got everything back together but 
> didn’t start it up. I think I’ll let it sit with dry carbs for now since it’s 
> too cold to ride. I have e free gas for it in a can. 
> That just leaves an xj650 maxim to do and I’m waiting for carb kits for it.

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: 650SC taken over by daughter

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> On Feb 18, 2019, at 1:57 PM, Darin Hatton  wrote:
> 
> How is seat height for her?

A bit too high probably. She can just about flat foot the bike, but just not 
quite. I’ll try to find a way to improve that. 

Holger

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: 650SC taken over by daughter

[Holger Selover-Stephan]

Mark, thank you for your thoughts. I think you’re spot on, and I’ve seen 
similar scenarios play out in other sports. The desire to get the most bad ass 
gear, then not feeling in control and losing joy and interest. 

Both my daughter and I are new to motorcycle riding. We took the basic class 
together last year. Neither of us need bad ass, but I was hoping to get her the 
smallest machine she can take on the interstate to cruise home to her parents 
(80 miles away). I rode that route home on I-5 this morning first time, and if 
it wasn’t so cold (32ºF), she can do it on the 650 and its windshield. 

I was surprised she didn’t throw the towel when she dropped the bike the second 
time. Resilient little beast. I let her know we can find her a smaller bike if 
she can’t handle the weight of the 650. It’s mostly her short legs that are 
challenging, I think. Maybe I can find a different rear suspension. I’ll try to 
catch the moment she doesn’t want to ride it anymore because it’s just too 
much. 

Very much appreciate your viewpoint. 

Thanks,

Holger

> On Feb 18, 2019, at 12:52 PM, mark weisenfeld  wrote:
> 
> That's wonderful for both of you.
> 
> However, let me share for posterity (or posterior) my observations. They may 
> not apply due to her youth.

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] What is this?

[Holger Selover-Stephan]

Wow, that’s the same I paid for my bike, but mine wasn’t running and looks 
nowhere near this nice! Great deal!!

Holger

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Installation of the rear wheel

[Holger Selover-Stephan]

Appreciate it greatly! And btw, I’m paying it forward on another forum for 
another type vehicle where I’m usually the one fielding the answers (for the 
better or worse). 

> On Feb 15, 2019, at 6:05 PM, Arthur Sheller  wrote:
> 
> Any time you need help if I can I'll steer you the right direction. You're 
> very welcome!

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Installation of the rear wheel

[Holger Selover-Stephan]

Thanks, Arthur. The daughter arrived today. We’ll go practice some tomorrow and 
on Sunday ride to her college town, some 70 miles away. She’s keeping the 650, 
I’ll take the 700 back home. If everything works out. Need to pick up some 
gloves for her. If something happens to her, I better move into the chicken 
coop right away. 

Holger

> On Feb 15, 2019, at 5:51 PM, Arthur Sheller  wrote:
> 
> Good luck!

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Installation of the rear wheel

[Holger Selover-Stephan]

Perfect, thanks, Bob! That clears it up. 

Holger

> On Feb 15, 2019, at 5:39 PM, bobshel...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> The four nuts just in front of the final drive on the left side where it 
> attaches to the swing arm. The drive shaft housing.

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Installation of the rear wheel

[Holger Selover-Stephan]

Yeah, but I didn't get the directions. Didn't know what the final drive
attachment nuts were. Still not 100% sure actually.

Holger

On Fri, Feb 15, 2019, 17:17 Arthur Sheller  If all else fails follow directions. ;-)
>

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Installation of the rear wheel

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On Feb 15, 2019, at 3:59 PM, bobshel...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Yes they should be loose. Allows for natural alignment instead of forced. How 
> about bearing tension and try loosening the brake adjustment as mentioned.

OK, makes sense. I’ll re-install the wheel. It’s not that much work anyway. 
Thanks for the advice!

Holger

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Installation of the rear wheel

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> On Feb 15, 2019, at 3:43 PM, Graham Rogers  wrote:
> 
> Friction probably from brake shoes

Probably true!

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Installation of the rear wheel

[Holger Selover-Stephan]

Ah, sorry, should have mentioned: on the 700S.

On Friday, February 15, 2019 at 3:43:08 PM UTC-8, kiwinPA wrote:
>
> A 650 Nighthawk? No need, just the axle nut and remove the axle
>

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[Nighthawk Lovers] Installation of the rear wheel

[Holger Selover-Stephan]

Hi,

Quick question: when I re-installed the rear wheel after mounting a new 
tire, the manual says to undo or loosen the "final gear case attaching 
nuts". But it didn't identify those nuts, so I skipped this step. But after 
installation I am noticing more friction in the wheel, in comparison to the 
650SC standing beside it. 

Are those the nuts:

[image: back-wheel.jpg]
Also, is it important to have them undone while installing the wheel? If 
so, I'll redo the installation. 

In other news: I received the front fork studs and they are perfect. 
Installed, no problem. Also installed the cleaned carb for the 650SC and 
she is running fine. Smells like wintergreen oil though. :)

Thanks!

Holger

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Front fork stud snapped - how to fix?

[Holger Selover-Stephan]

On Sunday, February 10, 2019 at 7:20:52 PM UTC-8, Arthur R (Bob) Sheller 
wrote:
>
> I have one I'll send you tomorrow.
>

That is super nice of you, Arthur! Thank you so much!  I might have found 
the right stud 
though: 
https://www.belmetric.com/m8x125-coarse-thread-c-9_71_1840/s8x47eblk-even-stud-black-p-3629.html?zenid=he1bo6hrisgnmlpvfmchnhmgp1
 
. It's class 8.8. With the corrosion on mine and how easy mine snapped off, 
I'm going to replace all 4. 

Cheers,

Holger

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Front fork stud snapped - how to fix?

[Holger Selover-Stephan]

Kyle, thank you for sharing that advice. And I'm happy to report the stud 
came out without a problem with a set of vise grip plier. Phew!! Next 
challenge: finding a replacement stud...

Holger

On Sunday, February 10, 2019 at 6:01:33 PM UTC-8, Kyle Munz wrote:
>
> I received this advice from an old friend regarding your issue. Passing it 
> along hoping it helps.
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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Front fork stud snapped - how to fix?

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On Sunday, February 10, 2019 at 2:24:06 PM UTC-8, kiwinPA wrote:
>
> Is this a Nighthawk 650.. remind me...?
>

This is on the 700S. 

In other news, the tires (Battlax) arrived, and are mounted. I couldn't 
figure out the zip tie method, but they seem much more flexible than the 
Kenda, and mounting the traditional way was pretty easy actually. 

The stud has been sitting in PB Blaster for a while, will try to get it off 
later tonight. I think you guys are saying it's a right-hand thread. To me, 
that makes sense: that way you'd tighten the connection with the nuts 
during installation, not loosen them. 

Thanks for all your help, made all the difference here! 

Holger
 

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Front fork stud snapped - how to fix?

[Holger Selover-Stephan]

Nick, many thanks, that really helps me out!!

Holger

On Sun, Feb 10, 2019, 1:39 PM nick.tampsett via Nighthawk Motorcycle
Lovers!  If you can drill the stud, buy yourself an easyout. This has a left hand
> spiral that engages in the drilled hole. Turn it anti clockwise and the
> stud should come out. Apply heat to the stud first. I’m a Toolmaker and
> this works every time if you follow the correct procedure.
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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Almost Time for Some New Rubber

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> Ups just dropped off my new tires . Battle axe bt45 by Bridgestone.  Went 
> with same ones on it due to reviews I've read. Mine is 85 700s.  Hope this 
> helps.  Got a guy going to mount and balance with new valve stems for 29 
> bucks a tire. Doesn't sound out of line to me? Don't think I'd do it for 29 
> bucks! 

Ha! UPS would have dropped off the same tires for the same year/type bike 
today, if there had not been a slight dusting on the road yesterday, at which 
point everything dissolves in to chaos here in Portland, OR. 

It’s funny how we all call them Battle Axe, when the actual name is Battlax. 
Bridgestone missed an opportunity to give a great name to great tires. Which 
turned out to not matter at all since the customers just ignore the botched 
name and use the great one. Lol

Holger

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Where to get replacement throttle cables?

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On Tuesday, February 5, 2019 at 10:08:17 AM UTC-8, roidfingers wrote:
>
> You don't really need a push cable. It's more for safety in case the 
> springs don't spring your throttle closed. I've never heard of that 
> happening before. Not to say it hasn't.
>
 
There has been enough friction in the cables on my 650 that the spring 
wouldn't close the throttle. Having the "push" cable saved my day. And I'm 
getting ready to hand this machine to our 20-yo daughter as her first bike, 
so safety is important. Already pretty freaked about her riding this thing. 
She's such a tiny person, that bike looks like a monster with her on. But I 
got a windshield for it on Sunday, that'll help.

If that was my bike, yeah. Thanks for letting me know.

Holger

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Where to get replacement throttle cables?

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I'll give this a try 
(cheapest!): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ysd8JkWclmc

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Where to get replacement throttle cables?

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> I purcharsed these and it works fine. 
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/Throttle-Cable-Push-Pull-for-Honda-NightHawk-CB650-CB750-CB900-CB1000-/371977374042?hash=item569b94495a
>  
> 

These are the very set I have and it didn’t fit. Maybe I got a bad example. 

Thanks for the tips, guys. DIY seems the way to go. Motion Pro has the pull, 
but not the push cable, weird. 

Holger

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[Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Where to get replacement throttle cables?

[Holger Selover-Stephan]

BTW, since there was a discussion lately about friction in the throttle 
cables. My throttle cables had too much friction to pull the throttle back 
to idle. I used cable lube liberally, but that didn't help. From what I can 
see, they are routed correctly. Interestingly, with the tank removed they 
work perfectly. But the tank pushes them into a position that adds just 
enough friction that it won't go back to idle. Here's a little video to 
demonstrate that: https://photos.app.goo.gl/cLpskX7ECiaNsnmm6 . Maybe hard 
to spot on first watch, but I am pressing the throttle cable to the frame 
as the tank would, if it was installed. Then I release them, and the 
throttle snaps back to idle. 

I think there is just enough hardening of the housing and/or corrosion/gunk 
in those old cables to have too much friction, and it can't be fixed with 
lube. 

Holger  

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[Nighthawk Lovers] Where to get replacement throttle cables?

[Holger Selover-Stephan]

Hi,

I want to replace the throttle cables on our '83 Nighthawk 650SC. Last 
October I ordered a set from eBay (https://www.ebay.com/itm/371977374042 ), 
however, they don't have the correct length. I found another set offered at 
Amazon, but from the description, they are also incorrect. Here is what I 
measured:

*Pull*
 Housing (old): 925mm, 36.42"
 Housing (eBay): 1130mm, 44.49"
 Play (old): 100mm, 3.94"
 Play (eBay): 110mm, 4.33"

*Push*
  * Housing (old): 925mm, 36.42"
  * Housing (eBay): 1110mm, 44.70"
  * Play (old): 130mm, 5.12"
  * Play (eBay): 110mm, 4.33"

Total play (old): 230mm
Total play (eBay): 220mm

Here is the set on 
Amazon: 
https://www.amazon.com/Reproduction-Throttle-Cable-Set-Nighthawk/dp/B01MVAQ9BA 
They have these measurements:

*Pull*
Cable Overall Length: 1207mm, 47 1/2"
Play: 114,3mm, 4 1/2"   

*Push*
Cable Overall Length: 1219mm, 48"
Play: 104.8mm, 4 1/8"

The overall length doesn't seem to matter that much, but of course the free 
play is critical. I'm missing 10mm of free play on the "pull" cable to 
install it.

Anyone know of a better source for those cables? 

Thanks,

Holger

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: How to remove carburetor rubber (?) boots on cylinder side?

[Holger Selover-Stephan]

That’s right, thanks, Tommy. After some warming up, the manifolds did come off 
the carburetor. Soaked them in wintergreen as well, but only 4 or so hours. The 
carbs were incredibly clean inside. No visible gunk whatsoever. Today the whole 
shebang is going back into the bike. Thanks for your help, guys!

Holger

> On Feb 3, 2019, at 4:26 PM, 'roidfingers' via Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers! 
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> Hey already has them out.

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: How to remove carburetor rubber (?) boots on cylinder side?

[Holger Selover-Stephan]

Yes, they appear to be in good condition, besides a bit hardened. 

Holger

> On Feb 3, 2019, at 11:13 AM, Arthur Sheller  wrote:
> 
> Did you check them for cracks or holes where air could leak in? Good luck!

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[Nighthawk Lovers] Re: How to remove carburetor rubber (?) boots on cylinder side?

[Holger Selover-Stephan]

Thanks! Maybe my intake boots are just really hard, because even with the 
band taken off, they are solidly attached still. I'll try more force. The 
boots on the airbox side are currently soaking in a alcohol oil 
to soften them up. 

Holger 

On Sunday, February 3, 2019 at 10:46:15 AM UTC-8, roidfingers wrote:
>
> Once you have the band very loose, then just pry them off. BTW. It's 
> easier to leave the intake boots on the motor and then pull the carb bank 
> out of the intake boots.
>

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[Nighthawk Lovers] How to remove carburetor rubber (?) boots on cylinder side?

[Holger Selover-Stephan]

Hi,

I took off the carburetor on the '83 650 to clean it, and to install new 
throttle cables. But I haven't figured out how to remove the rubber (if 
they are rubber) boots from the cylinder side. See picture. Removing the 
hose clamp didn't help. They rotate but I can't pull them off. Any ideas? 
Thanks!

Holger

[image: carburetor.jpg]

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Don't buy the Cheap Starter Selenoids

[Holger Selover-Stephan]

Bridgestone, not Michelin

On Wednesday, January 30, 2019 at 6:16:58 PM UTC-8, Holger Selover-Stephan 
wrote:
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> Actually, the Michelin Battlax are $226 shipped for the pair at Dennis 
> Kirk - not THAT much more. Might as well go with those. 
>

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Don't buy the Cheap Starter Selenoids

[Holger Selover-Stephan]

Actually, the Michelin Battlax are $226 shipped for the pair at Dennis Kirk 
- not THAT much more. Might as well go with those. 

On Wednesday, January 30, 2019 at 6:07:24 PM UTC-8, Holger Selover-Stephan 
wrote:
>
> OK, thanks for the tip, Pike. I don't *have* to get Kendas, I just don't 
> want to pay more than needed. I like the white walled ones, but they seem 
> more expensive. Checking out your Retroactive.
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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Don't buy the Cheap Starter Selenoids

[Holger Selover-Stephan]

OK, thanks for the tip, Pike. I don't *have* to get Kendas, I just don't 
want to pay more than needed. I like the white walled ones, but they seem 
more expensive. Checking out your Retroactive.


On Wednesday, January 30, 2019 at 6:02:22 PM UTC-8, Pike wrote:
>
> Those are harley tires,i am running kenda retroactive,much better tire if 
> you must use kenda
>
> On Jan 30, 2019, at 3:03 PM, "bobsh...@gmail.com " <
> bobsh...@gmail.com > wrote:
>
> Me too! I learned a lot from themotorcyclemd. If you haven't seen him 
> check it out. He's a full time Honda bike mechanic and his daily driver is 
> a 750 Nighthawk.
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
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>
> On Wed, Jan 30, 2019 at 2:51 PM, Holger Selover-Stephan
> > wrote:
> I'm a proud graduate of this You-Learned-It-On-Youtube class: 
> https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=mount+motorcycle+tire+zip+ties
>
> On Wednesday, January 30, 2019 at 12:47:23 PM UTC-8, kiwinPA wrote:
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> Zip ties eh, I’m anxious to hear how you do that
>
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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Don't buy the Cheap Starter Selenoids on Ebay

[Holger Selover-Stephan]

I'm a proud graduate of this You-Learned-It-On-Youtube 
class: 
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=mount+motorcycle+tire+zip+ties

On Wednesday, January 30, 2019 at 12:47:23 PM UTC-8, kiwinPA wrote:
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> Zip ties eh, I’m anxious to hear how you do that
>
>>
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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Don't buy the Cheap Starter Selenoids on Ebay

[Holger Selover-Stephan]

Phew! Thanks, Arthur! I was expecting you guys to rip me apart on this one. 
=8-0

On Wednesday, January 30, 2019 at 12:33:11 PM UTC-8, Arthur R (Bob) Sheller 
wrote:
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> Great plan. Even the average hair on fire guys buy tires they will never 
> push to the limit.
>
>>
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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Don't buy the Cheap Starter Selenoids on Ebay

[Holger Selover-Stephan]

(pretending we're still on tires) I think I'm going with Kenda Kruz like I 
did for the 650. There were a few thumbs-up on the Nighthawk forum for 
those. I can get them for around $180 for the pair, and if I mount them 
myself it's $180 vs. $380 for the Michelins. I'm just not going to do any 
racing or other hair-on-fire stuff...just commuting to work and the 
occasional ride out into the country. Found some youtube videos on mounting 
tires with zip ties - will that give a try after my cheapo tire irons 
failed miserably on my attempts to mount the Kruz's for the 650 (or maybe I 
failed miserably, but the HF tire irons bent like wet spaghetti). 

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[Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Winterwonderland

[Holger Selover-Stephan]

Ironically, global climate change may be responsible for the Big 
Freeze: 
http://theconversation.com/how-frigid-polar-vortex-blasts-are-connected-to-global-warming-110653
 

Holger

On Wednesday, January 30, 2019 at 7:11:39 AM UTC-8, Darin Hatton wrote:
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> DAMN POLAR VORTEX!!! I think I'm ready for some of that global warming 
> I'm hearing so much about

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Don't buy the Cheap Starter Selenoids on Ebay

[Holger Selover-Stephan]

Same here. Know already which ones? Any of them recommended for the 700S?

Holger 

> On Jan 29, 2019, at 2:22 PM, Darin Hatton  wrote:
> 
> Think putting tires on is next for me. Last thing on my list

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Carbs started leaking out of the blue.

[Holger Selover-Stephan]

Mom!? Is that you???

On Tuesday, January 29, 2019 at 11:21:52 AM UTC-8, kiwinPA wrote:
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> Yes, you absolutely have to clean all the jets, the float valves, floats, 
> bowls, the float pins, your wife’s kitchen counter and every coffee cup and 
> spoon whether they look like they need it or not
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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: LED headlight bulb for a 700S

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> People usually put washers under the needle if they use a K air filter 
or pod filters. 
> Do you know if that's the case or is it stock?
The air filter is stock. The previous owner read a forum posting about 
adding those washers and tried it out. 

> Unless you just want to, don’t worry about the washer mod. I put one in, 
noticed no difference 
> so took it off. If you just wanna play, and it IS easy, remove them.  
OK, that's good to know, thanks for letting me know. I'll eventually clean 
and tune the carburetors, so I'll get to the washers then.

> I'm in the process of fab'ing a rack for the back of my silverwing out of 
polished stainless. 
Post your progress please. Always good to see how others attack the same 
thing. Can't ever compare my stuff with your level of workmanship though! 
The hand rail looks gorgeous!

> When you start the bike from cold you can check all 4 exhaust pipes to 
see if they heat up evenly. 
Did that. Sat there on the ground and pointed the laser thermometer at the 
pipes like a teacher at students to report their answers. The temps 
compared pretty closely - good! 

> Check the spark plugs to see if it's running rich or lean. Good luck and 
ride safe fellow 700S rider!!
Arthur, really appreciate your encouragement and support! I'll check the 
spark plugs. 

First order of business is fixing a seeping petcock. Repair kit on its way. 

Slowly getting used to the steering. 

Holger

On Monday, January 28, 2019 at 4:59:53 PM UTC-8, Tommy Hill wrote:
>
> Unless you just want to, don’t worry about the washer mod. I put one in, 
> noticed no difference so took it off. If you just wanna play, and it IS 
> easy, remove them.  

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[Nighthawk Lovers] Re: LED headlight bulb for a 700S

[Holger Selover-Stephan]

Wow, thanks for all the responses and advice! The bike was dropped by one 
of the 3 previous owners, and the guy before me repainted it with those 
blue flames. I have so little experience, I'm not even qualified to say how 
it runs. The engine runs fine, idles nicely and I'm happy that it doesn't 
have the timing chain rattle of the 650. The steering I don't love yet, but 
that's probably me, rather than the bike. I like the seating position (I'm 
6'3") better than on the 650. And I love that you can remote the seat. I 
will be building a luggage rack for it, so I don't have to carry my stuff 
in a backpack. Something I can click my Ortlieb bicycle bags into. :)

A brief look under the cowling confirms what you guys are saying. Yet, I 
really would like that 3000 lumen. I installed an LED headlight in the 650, 
and man, it's super bright and people do take notice. I'm adding a light 
bar to both bikes as well. After years of riding a bicycle in traffic, 
anything to get noticed. 

The history of the bike...I bought it from the third owner. He bought a new 
700S in 85, sold it later, but loved it so much, he bought this one many 
years later. He has not replaced it with a super loud, massive bike (forgot 
the name), which had flames on it from the factory. lol The bike was 
advertised on offerup.com for $1350, and he hasn't sold it for several 
months. The photo wasn't very good on that ad. As usual, he got the 
standard low ball offers. I eventually got it for $1100. Almost three times 
of what I paid for the 650, but it runs and I can ride it to work right 
away. 

The previous owner has put some washers under the needles. I'm going to 
reverse that. I want it stock for best possible fuel efficiency. 

Holger

On Monday, January 28, 2019 at 6:56:21 AM UTC-8, Arthur R (Bob) Sheller 
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> How does it run?
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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] 700 S Compression Readings

[Holger Selover-Stephan]

Yes, they did. Looks like a good haul. 

On Thursday, January 24, 2019 at 2:49:07 PM UTC-8, Arthur Sheller wrote:
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> Did the pictures come through?
>
>>
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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] 650SC vs 700S for a tall rider

[Holger Selover-Stephan]

Thanks, Dave. Do you mean '82 and before or '91 and later? Interestingly, 
we looked at a 650 for sale yesterday and the seller, an ex marine in his 
70' with "titanium knees" was restoring an '82 750 because his knees 
wouldn't tolerate riding the 650. He wasn't a tall guy either, so I'm not 
quite understanding the geometry here.

I hesitate to go up with engine size from 650 because of fuel consumption. 
Around town I am getting >50 MPG on the 650, and fuelly.com indicates quite 
a bit more consumption for the 700 and 750. Maybe I can hypermile a 750 to 
happiness as well, I don't know. 

Holger

On Sunday, January 20, 2019 at 4:15:04 AM UTC-8, Duchene wrote:
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> I have both, go with the 750.
> Dave
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[Nighthawk Lovers] 650SC vs 700S for a tall rider

[Holger Selover-Stephan]

I have a question for those that have ridden both: Is there a substantial 
difference between the 650SC and the 700S for a tall rider? I am 6'4" and 
have a 650SC that I'm currently use to commute to work, but soon plan to 
hand over to our daughter. There is a 700S for sale, but it's a bit of a 
drive to see her, and I'd only be motivated to do that drive if the 700S is 
a better fit for a tall person. The 650 is great around town, but I think 
it might feel a bit crouchy on a longer trip. 

Thanks!

Holger

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Engine rattle noise - what could it be?

[Holger Selover-Stephan]

I found both the chain and the spring available online. Don't think parts 
is going to be the main challenge, rather replacing the spring (and chain?) 
without removing the cam. This shop described the steps they have 
taken: 
http://slagheapcycles.blogspot.com/2014/04/honda-dohc-cam-chain-tension.html 
. 

On Friday, January 18, 2019 at 6:44:06 AM UTC-8, Tommy Hill wrote:
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> Nearly impossible to find parts.  Good luck, though.

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Happy to be part of the group!

[Holger Selover-Stephan]

Not a bad idea! I have extra handles here, easy to replace. The worst part 
about that episode was a lady was watching me drop the bike. Oh the shame! 
Then again, I'm used to those humiliation from other pursuits. 

On Thursday, January 17, 2019 at 6:47:42 PM UTC-8, Pike wrote:
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> I carry an extra lever in my dry box under the seat they are cheap enough.
>
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[Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Happy to be part of the group!

[Holger Selover-Stephan]

Just to give you a data point: I'm completely new to motorcycle riding and 
picked up a 650SC upon recommendation from a friend. Eventually I am going 
to hand it to our daughter, who is also new to the game. She lives 70 miles 
from us and I wanted a machine that is safe enough for her to take on the 
freeway. I'm pretty comfortable with the weight of the 650 and think the 
daughter will also be able to handle it. I don't think I want her on the 
freeway with something that weighs considerably less. 

That said, I dropped the bike today. Lost footing on the sidewalk where I 
park it at work on a metal cover. It was rain slick, and I just couldn't 
prevent the bike from going down. Broke the clutch handle. No additional 
damage (other than to my pride!). No problem getting her back up. Lesson 
learned. 

Holger

On Thursday, January 17, 2019 at 6:11:07 PM UTC-8, samhar...@gmail.com 
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> I am a newbie just getting ready to ride. Smitten by the Nighthawks. I am 
> on the lookout for a Nighthawk 450SC or 650SC, or even a 250. I am told all 
> of these are pretty good beginner bikes.
> I do worry about the weight of the 650SC which is why I am not even 
> considering the 700 or 750's though I am sure they are wonderful bikes too! 
> Looking to learn as much as I can from the wisdom of this group.
>
> Thanks for all the wonderful effort.
>
> Sam
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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Engine rattle noise - what could it be?

[Holger Selover-Stephan]

 If I can find a a replacement tensioner spring and it's possible to 
replace it without splitting the case I'll try to fix it. 

Holger

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Engine rattle noise - what could it be?

[Holger Selover-Stephan]

Thanks, Arthur! Did a little sniffing around in the internet and you might
be right.

Holger

On Wed, Jan 16, 2019 at 6:50 PM Arthur Sheller  wrote:

> Could be the timing chain.
>
> On Wed, Jan 16, 2019, 8:48 PM Holger Selover-Stephan <
> hol...@shadowbrush.com wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> There is this slight engine rattling noise on my '83 Nighthawk 650SC. I
>> recorded it after a 30 min ride (so the engine was at temperature):
>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/WpH2bu4Jz4jTRU7R9
>>
>> Any idea what that could be?
>>
>> I bought this machine last year and got it running in December. Put 300
>> miles on it. This is my first-ever motorcycle, loving it!
>>
>> And yes, I still need to clean and tune the carburetors. But I'm getting
>> ~50 MPG on it:
>> http://www.fuelly.com/motorcycle/honda/cb650sc_nighthawk/1983/shadowbrush/886051
>> , so I wasn't very motivated to tear into it.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Holger
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[Nighthawk Lovers] Engine rattle noise - what could it be?

[Holger Selover-Stephan]

Hi,

There is this slight engine rattling noise on my '83 Nighthawk 650SC. I 
recorded it after a 30 min ride (so the engine was at 
temperature): https://photos.app.goo.gl/WpH2bu4Jz4jTRU7R9

Any idea what that could be? 

I bought this machine last year and got it running in December. Put 300 
miles on it. This is my first-ever motorcycle, loving it!

And yes, I still need to clean and tune the carburetors. But I'm getting 
~50 MPG on 
it: 
http://www.fuelly.com/motorcycle/honda/cb650sc_nighthawk/1983/shadowbrush/886051
 
, so I wasn't very motivated to tear into it. 

Thanks!

Holger

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