Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Charging issues
Thank you Dave and happy thanksgiving On Tue, Nov 20, 2018, 9:39 PM Dave duChêne wrote: > enjoy the bike > > > On Tue, 20 Nov 2018 at 17:30, Darin Hatton wrote: > >> To all of those who replied and offered help with my charging problem. >> Ended up being the crap after market reg/rectifier I bought from caltric in >> California. Found one online last night about 30 minutes away for 40 bucks. >> Picked it up after work, plugged in and no more issues. Thing is, the >> crap one I bought passed tests I found online, just wasn't sending enough >> voltage to battery. T >> Thanks again for the help , knowledge and resources. Go bobcats! >> >> On Thu, Nov 8, 2018, 9:42 AM Darin Hatton wrote: >> >>> Glenn , don't know if I mentioned or not but I do have factory service >>> manual for my bikes. I have been going thru wiring schematic but my strong >>> suit is reading blue prints and fabrication not electrical issues. I bought >>> and learned how to use multi meter when I was trying to diagnose the issues >>> I was having on my silverwing. That's only been about a year and 8 months >>> ago. I will admit a have come a long way finding these type of problems. >>> Not going to be able to do much more for about a week, going to deer camp >>> tomorrow. Thank you again for your time , information and resources >>> >>> On Thu, Nov 8, 2018, 7:53 AM EGrider wrote: >>> You say "Put meter on continuity to check the black wire on harness side , which supplies supplies 12v to reg/rectifier from ignition switch." Does the reg/rectifier receive 12v from the ignition switch? What would it do with current? Again, the job of the rectifier is to change AC from the stator to DC. The job of the regulator is to take excess voltage from the stator and bring it down to 14v so it doesn't cook your system and battery. Cooked batteries are a symptom of bad reg/rectifiers, right? The reg/rectifier, at least on magnet bikes, is a diode that allows current out from the stator but not in from the battery. That's why you test them by getting continuity in one direction and then flip the poles to get no continuity. If you get it, the reg/rectifier is bad. Now granted, the reg/rectifier on the harness side has to have continuity with the rest of the system, regardless of which way current is flowing. I just checked and I don't have a manual for your bike, but if the wiring diagram shows the ignition switch connected to the reg/rectifier, then obviously you will have to go section by section (if there are sections) to find the break. I'm wondering if bikes with field coils send current to them via the reg/rectifier? No idea. I have a flowchart for checking MC charging systems in PDF that I'm sending you by PM. I hope it helps. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > > -- > If you forward this e-mail please remove my address. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Charging issues
enjoy the bike On Tue, 20 Nov 2018 at 17:30, Darin Hatton wrote: > To all of those who replied and offered help with my charging problem. > Ended up being the crap after market reg/rectifier I bought from caltric in > California. Found one online last night about 30 minutes away for 40 bucks. > Picked it up after work, plugged in and no more issues. Thing is, the > crap one I bought passed tests I found online, just wasn't sending enough > voltage to battery. T > Thanks again for the help , knowledge and resources. Go bobcats! > > On Thu, Nov 8, 2018, 9:42 AM Darin Hatton wrote: > >> Glenn , don't know if I mentioned or not but I do have factory service >> manual for my bikes. I have been going thru wiring schematic but my strong >> suit is reading blue prints and fabrication not electrical issues. I bought >> and learned how to use multi meter when I was trying to diagnose the issues >> I was having on my silverwing. That's only been about a year and 8 months >> ago. I will admit a have come a long way finding these type of problems. >> Not going to be able to do much more for about a week, going to deer camp >> tomorrow. Thank you again for your time , information and resources >> >> On Thu, Nov 8, 2018, 7:53 AM EGrider wrote: >> >>> You say "Put meter on continuity to check the black wire on harness side >>> , which supplies supplies 12v to reg/rectifier from ignition switch." >>> >>> Does the reg/rectifier receive 12v from the ignition switch? What would >>> it do with current? Again, the job of the rectifier is to change AC from >>> the stator to DC. The job of the regulator is to take excess voltage from >>> the stator and bring it down to 14v so it doesn't cook your system and >>> battery. Cooked batteries are a symptom of bad reg/rectifiers, right? >>> >>> The reg/rectifier, at least on magnet bikes, is a diode that allows >>> current out from the stator but not in from the battery. That's why you >>> test them by getting continuity in one direction and then flip the poles to >>> get no continuity. If you get it, the reg/rectifier is bad. >>> >>> Now granted, the reg/rectifier on the harness side has to have >>> continuity with the rest of the system, regardless of which way current is >>> flowing. I just checked and I don't have a manual for your bike, but if the >>> wiring diagram shows the ignition switch connected to the reg/rectifier, >>> then obviously you will have to go section by section (if there are >>> sections) to find the break. >>> >>> I'm wondering if bikes with field coils send current to them via the >>> reg/rectifier? No idea. >>> >>> I have a flowchart for checking MC charging systems in PDF that I'm >>> sending you by PM. I hope it helps. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- If you forward this e-mail please remove my address. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Charging issues
To all of those who replied and offered help with my charging problem. Ended up being the crap after market reg/rectifier I bought from caltric in California. Found one online last night about 30 minutes away for 40 bucks. Picked it up after work, plugged in and no more issues. Thing is, the crap one I bought passed tests I found online, just wasn't sending enough voltage to battery. T Thanks again for the help , knowledge and resources. Go bobcats! On Thu, Nov 8, 2018, 9:42 AM Darin Hatton wrote: > Glenn , don't know if I mentioned or not but I do have factory service > manual for my bikes. I have been going thru wiring schematic but my strong > suit is reading blue prints and fabrication not electrical issues. I bought > and learned how to use multi meter when I was trying to diagnose the issues > I was having on my silverwing. That's only been about a year and 8 months > ago. I will admit a have come a long way finding these type of problems. > Not going to be able to do much more for about a week, going to deer camp > tomorrow. Thank you again for your time , information and resources > > On Thu, Nov 8, 2018, 7:53 AM EGrider wrote: > >> You say "Put meter on continuity to check the black wire on harness side >> , which supplies supplies 12v to reg/rectifier from ignition switch." >> >> Does the reg/rectifier receive 12v from the ignition switch? What would >> it do with current? Again, the job of the rectifier is to change AC from >> the stator to DC. The job of the regulator is to take excess voltage from >> the stator and bring it down to 14v so it doesn't cook your system and >> battery. Cooked batteries are a symptom of bad reg/rectifiers, right? >> >> The reg/rectifier, at least on magnet bikes, is a diode that allows >> current out from the stator but not in from the battery. That's why you >> test them by getting continuity in one direction and then flip the poles to >> get no continuity. If you get it, the reg/rectifier is bad. >> >> Now granted, the reg/rectifier on the harness side has to have continuity >> with the rest of the system, regardless of which way current is flowing. I >> just checked and I don't have a manual for your bike, but if the wiring >> diagram shows the ignition switch connected to the reg/rectifier, then >> obviously you will have to go section by section (if there are sections) to >> find the break. >> >> I'm wondering if bikes with field coils send current to them via the >> reg/rectifier? No idea. >> >> I have a flowchart for checking MC charging systems in PDF that I'm >> sending you by PM. I hope it helps. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Charging issues
Glenn , don't know if I mentioned or not but I do have factory service manual for my bikes. I have been going thru wiring schematic but my strong suit is reading blue prints and fabrication not electrical issues. I bought and learned how to use multi meter when I was trying to diagnose the issues I was having on my silverwing. That's only been about a year and 8 months ago. I will admit a have come a long way finding these type of problems. Not going to be able to do much more for about a week, going to deer camp tomorrow. Thank you again for your time , information and resources On Thu, Nov 8, 2018, 7:53 AM EGrider wrote: > You say "Put meter on continuity to check the black wire on harness side , > which supplies supplies 12v to reg/rectifier from ignition switch." > > Does the reg/rectifier receive 12v from the ignition switch? What would it > do with current? Again, the job of the rectifier is to change AC from the > stator to DC. The job of the regulator is to take excess voltage from the > stator and bring it down to 14v so it doesn't cook your system and battery. > Cooked batteries are a symptom of bad reg/rectifiers, right? > > The reg/rectifier, at least on magnet bikes, is a diode that allows > current out from the stator but not in from the battery. That's why you > test them by getting continuity in one direction and then flip the poles to > get no continuity. If you get it, the reg/rectifier is bad. > > Now granted, the reg/rectifier on the harness side has to have continuity > with the rest of the system, regardless of which way current is flowing. I > just checked and I don't have a manual for your bike, but if the wiring > diagram shows the ignition switch connected to the reg/rectifier, then > obviously you will have to go section by section (if there are sections) to > find the break. > > I'm wondering if bikes with field coils send current to them via the > reg/rectifier? No idea. > > I have a flowchart for checking MC charging systems in PDF that I'm > sending you by PM. I hope it helps. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Charging issues
You're getting closer, narrowing it down. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Charging issues
Glenn I received your flow chart, thanks for sending. Good information is invaluable. On my field coil stator, 12v dc has to be supplied to field coil to " turn on " magnetic field . The harness has a 3 pin plug that goes to reg/rectifier. In that plug there is one black wire that supplies 12v with key on, one r/w wire always hot, and one ground wire. But when I turn key on and check voltage coming from key it is 1 volt or more lower than battery. Checked same black wire for continuity to ground and has continuity. So it seems I have a shorted 12v + wire or switch that is shorting out. Also seems like I'd be blowing fuses but am not. On Thu, Nov 8, 2018, 7:53 AM EGrider wrote: > You say "Put meter on continuity to check the black wire on harness side , > which supplies supplies 12v to reg/rectifier from ignition switch." > > Does the reg/rectifier receive 12v from the ignition switch? What would it > do with current? Again, the job of the rectifier is to change AC from the > stator to DC. The job of the regulator is to take excess voltage from the > stator and bring it down to 14v so it doesn't cook your system and battery. > Cooked batteries are a symptom of bad reg/rectifiers, right? > > The reg/rectifier, at least on magnet bikes, is a diode that allows > current out from the stator but not in from the battery. That's why you > test them by getting continuity in one direction and then flip the poles to > get no continuity. If you get it, the reg/rectifier is bad. > > Now granted, the reg/rectifier on the harness side has to have continuity > with the rest of the system, regardless of which way current is flowing. I > just checked and I don't have a manual for your bike, but if the wiring > diagram shows the ignition switch connected to the reg/rectifier, then > obviously you will have to go section by section (if there are sections) to > find the break. > > I'm wondering if bikes with field coils send current to them via the > reg/rectifier? No idea. > > I have a flowchart for checking MC charging systems in PDF that I'm > sending you by PM. I hope it helps. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Charging issues
You say "Put meter on continuity to check the black wire on harness side , which supplies supplies 12v to reg/rectifier from ignition switch." Does the reg/rectifier receive 12v from the ignition switch? What would it do with current? Again, the job of the rectifier is to change AC from the stator to DC. The job of the regulator is to take excess voltage from the stator and bring it down to 14v so it doesn't cook your system and battery. Cooked batteries are a symptom of bad reg/rectifiers, right? The reg/rectifier, at least on magnet bikes, is a diode that allows current out from the stator but not in from the battery. That's why you test them by getting continuity in one direction and then flip the poles to get no continuity. If you get it, the reg/rectifier is bad. Now granted, the reg/rectifier on the harness side has to have continuity with the rest of the system, regardless of which way current is flowing. I just checked and I don't have a manual for your bike, but if the wiring diagram shows the ignition switch connected to the reg/rectifier, then obviously you will have to go section by section (if there are sections) to find the break. I'm wondering if bikes with field coils send current to them via the reg/rectifier? No idea. I have a flowchart for checking MC charging systems in PDF that I'm sending you by PM. I hope it helps. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Charging issues
Got home from work and grabbed the multi meter. Went straight to the 3 pin plug that goes to reg/rectifier, unplugged it. Put meter on continuity to check the black wire on harness side , which supplies supplies 12v to reg/rectifier from ignition switch. It beeped. So now I have to find the break in the wire where it is grounding itself out? Or could it be in a switch somewhere. Checked voltage in and out of ignition switch, and out of all fuses. All seems well there On Wed, Nov 7, 2018, 9:46 AM Darin Hatton wrote: > Lar, > I will do more testing on parts this afternoon and may have some voltage > questions for you if you are willing and able. Still don't think voltage to > field coil is right. Thanks again to those who have replied. > > EGrider, wave next time you pass exit 38 going up 75. That's about a mile > from my house > > On Tue, Nov 6, 2018, 10:13 PM Lar wrote: > >> Hi Darin >> >> My 83 650 is field coil. >> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Charging issues
Lar, I will do more testing on parts this afternoon and may have some voltage questions for you if you are willing and able. Still don't think voltage to field coil is right. Thanks again to those who have replied. EGrider, wave next time you pass exit 38 going up 75. That's about a mile from my house On Tue, Nov 6, 2018, 10:13 PM Lar wrote: > Hi Darin > > My 83 650 is field coil. > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Charging issues
GO BUCKS! On Tue, Nov 6, 2018, 9:39 PM EGrider wrote: > I was born and raised in the Buckeye State myself (Cleveland area), and > you will still find me at the Browns Backers bar on Sundays in brown and > orange. However, I now make my home in the Peach State and enjoy riding the > North Georgia hills on weekends. This weekend's Browns - Falcons game poses > a dilemma for me. Sorry all, off-topic post, but Darin asked. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Charging issues
Hi Darin My 83 650 is field coil. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Charging issues
I was born and raised in the Buckeye State myself (Cleveland area), and you will still find me at the Browns Backers bar on Sundays in brown and orange. However, I now make my home in the Peach State and enjoy riding the North Georgia hills on weekends. This weekend's Browns - Falcons game poses a dilemma for me. Sorry all, off-topic post, but Darin asked. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Charging issues
Thank you Big E (grider) will do those tests tomorrow afternoon as I have thrown in the towel for the evening. 330 am comes pretty quick no matter how fast you sleep. You here in the states? I'm in ohio, proud buckeye On Nov 6, 2018 7:04 PM, "EGrider" wrote: If you've got that voltage AC coming out of the stator and a good battery, you just need to pin down where you're losing voltage between the two. I read you bought Caltric. I've been told to avoid Caltric products at all costs. Did you test your R/R? It's a big diode. It should have roughly the same voltage on each of the 3 pins but zero connectivity going the opposite direction when you reverse the leads on your VOM. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Charging issues
If you've got that voltage AC coming out of the stator and a good battery, you just need to pin down where you're losing voltage between the two. I read you bought Caltric. I've been told to avoid Caltric products at all costs. Did you test your R/R? It's a big diode. It should have roughly the same voltage on each of the 3 pins but zero connectivity going the opposite direction when you reverse the leads on your VOM. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Charging issues
With the same battery put in my gl650i silverwing, dc volts show 14+ at idle. Factory service manual calls for same batteries On Tue, Nov 6, 2018, 5:55 PM Lar wrote: > Hi Darin > > You replaced the stator...from where, was it from Honda or an off brand? > I have an 83 650 and at 2500 rpm the system will show 14.5 volts, anything > from 14v to 15v is good. I know when my stator was slowly burning out the > voltage was dropping. Any of these tests on the system should be done with > the battery at full charge with clean and tight connections. On my 83 with > the bike off, check OHMs between yellow wires and ground. There should be > NO continuity. Test OHMs between yellow wires (my 83 should be 0.4 - 0.6) > OHMs between black and white wires should be 4 - 6 ohms. Cheers > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Charging issues
Is your 83 a permanent magnet charging system or field coil type? I think I am not getting enough voltage to field coil. That is what I am trying to find out is what the voltage should be on black wire and white wire between reg/rectifier and stator? Thank you for YOUR time for MY problem. Thing is driving me nuts On Tue, Nov 6, 2018, 5:55 PM Lar wrote: > Hi Darin > > You replaced the stator...from where, was it from Honda or an off brand? > I have an 83 650 and at 2500 rpm the system will show 14.5 volts, anything > from 14v to 15v is good. I know when my stator was slowly burning out the > voltage was dropping. Any of these tests on the system should be done with > the battery at full charge with clean and tight connections. On my 83 with > the bike off, check OHMs between yellow wires and ground. There should be > NO continuity. Test OHMs between yellow wires (my 83 should be 0.4 - 0.6) > OHMs between black and white wires should be 4 - 6 ohms. Cheers > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Charging issues
Thanks for replying Lar. When I got the bike (cb700s ) it wasn't running . When I went thru all of the fuel side of things that p.o. had mentioned and I had found it seamed to run great, but it wasn't charging. When I started to dig, I found the connection between stator and reg/rectifier with no plastic connector but individual connectors all taped up with electrical tape. Unwound tape and found connections that had obviously been hot but not melted thru all the tape. Wanted to find stator and reg/rectifier that were plug and play so I went with caltric in California for both. So to make long story linger, I opted for after market due to marital restraints On Tue, Nov 6, 2018, 5:55 PM Lar wrote: > Hi Darin > > You replaced the stator...from where, was it from Honda or an off brand? > I have an 83 650 and at 2500 rpm the system will show 14.5 volts, anything > from 14v to 15v is good. I know when my stator was slowly burning out the > voltage was dropping. Any of these tests on the system should be done with > the battery at full charge with clean and tight connections. On my 83 with > the bike off, check OHMs between yellow wires and ground. There should be > NO continuity. Test OHMs between yellow wires (my 83 should be 0.4 - 0.6) > OHMs between black and white wires should be 4 - 6 ohms. Cheers > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Charging issues
Hi Darin You replaced the stator...from where, was it from Honda or an off brand? I have an 83 650 and at 2500 rpm the system will show 14.5 volts, anything from 14v to 15v is good. I know when my stator was slowly burning out the voltage was dropping. Any of these tests on the system should be done with the battery at full charge with clean and tight connections. On my 83 with the bike off, check OHMs between yellow wires and ground. There should be NO continuity. Test OHMs between yellow wires (my 83 should be 0.4 - 0.6) OHMs between black and white wires should be 4 - 6 ohms. Cheers -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Charging issues
Replaced stator and reg/rectifier when I got it running and found the no charge issue On Tue, Nov 6, 2018, 4:18 PM Dave duChêne wrote: > I'm out of suggestions. Hope it's not the stator. > Dave > > > On Tue, 6 Nov 2018 at 17:16, Darin Hatton wrote: > >> I've got 2 good batteries hete I've been using in this bike and my 650 >> On Tue, Nov 6, 2018, 4:06 PM Dave duChêne wrote: >> >>> Sorry, you're right. I don't have the thread in my e-mail so this might >>> be a repeat . Have you tried using a charger to charge the battery? It >>> might be a bad cell. >>> >>> On Tue, 6 Nov 2018 at 16:54, Darin Hatton >>> wrote: >>> HI Dave and thank you for responding to my cry for help. I have given readings in previous post for ac current coming from ac generator (stator) and dc current at battery at given rpms. You won't see dc power until rectifier does its magic and changes the wave patterns On Tue, Nov 6, 2018, 3:47 PM Dave duChêne wrote: > Nothing on the bike is AC (as far as I know), set to DC and take the > readings again. > Dave > > On Tue, 6 Nov 2018 at 16:27, Darin Hatton > wrote: > >> Set voltmeter to dc and do what? >> >> On Tue, Nov 6, 2018, 3:12 PM Dave duChêne >> wrote: >> >>> Set the meter to DC >>> >>> On Tue, 6 Nov 2018 at 15:42, Darin Hatton >>> wrote: >>> Ok. Just got home and ran bike again. Stator results: with voltmeter set on ac, black lead to ground and red to each yellow wire individually I got about 6.5 v.ac from each at idle (about1500rpm). Put voltmeter on dc to check voltage at battery got 12.5 v.dc at 5k rpm. These were done with headlight OFF . On Nov 6, 2018 12:16 PM, "Glenn Evanish" wrote: 1989 PC800 was like that. In 1990, they went to magnets. I have a 1990 and 1994. On Tue, Nov 6, 2018, 12:09 PM Darin Hatton >>> wrote: > My daily rider is a 1983 gl650i silverwing. Non runner when I got > it. Stator went out, pulse advancer coil went out and head gaskets. > After > all that it runs great and like I said, with 64k on clock it is my > daily. > Nighthawk charging system is field coil (supplies magnetic field) > instead > of permanent magnets. This is where the problem lies. My experience, > what > little I have, is all with permanent magnet types. My 81 cb400 hawk is > permanent magnet type also > > On Tue, Nov 6, 2018, 11:09 AM EGrider wrote: > >> Interesting. I don't personally know what a field coil is, but on >> the PC and Goldwing (at least, maybe others) you just start the >> bike, turn >> the VOM to AC, and read the output off the 3 wires. I believe each >> should >> be around 6 volts AC. This then goes to the R/R, which changes it to >> DC and >> dumps excess current as heat. PCs have a lot of charging system >> issues >> since the stock R/Rs have no cooling fins and are tucked away under >> the >> tupperware without good air flow. I'm changing to a MOSFET with fins >> as >> preventive maintenance, but I'm retaining the original wiring so >> that I can >> just plug my OEM R/R on the road in a pinch. I do a lot of >> long-distance >> trips, and the PC is great for that if it keeps running. Other than >> the >> electrical issues, they are 100K mile bikes. But this is the >> Nighthawk >> forum. I still have my Nighthawk, a lighter, nimbler, peppier bike. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >> Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >> send an email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to >> nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at >> https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in > the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. > To unsubscribe from this topic, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/topic/nighthawk_lovers/YeS_ODBx-wA/unsubscribe > . > To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email > to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > To post to this group, send email to > nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at >
Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Charging issues
I'm out of suggestions. Hope it's not the stator. Dave On Tue, 6 Nov 2018 at 17:16, Darin Hatton wrote: > I've got 2 good batteries hete I've been using in this bike and my 650 > On Tue, Nov 6, 2018, 4:06 PM Dave duChêne wrote: > >> Sorry, you're right. I don't have the thread in my e-mail so this might >> be a repeat . Have you tried using a charger to charge the battery? It >> might be a bad cell. >> >> On Tue, 6 Nov 2018 at 16:54, Darin Hatton wrote: >> >>> HI Dave and thank you for responding to my cry for help. I have given >>> readings in previous post for ac current coming from ac generator (stator) >>> and dc current at battery at given rpms. You won't see dc power until >>> rectifier does its magic and changes the wave patterns >>> >>> On Tue, Nov 6, 2018, 3:47 PM Dave duChêne wrote: >>> Nothing on the bike is AC (as far as I know), set to DC and take the readings again. Dave On Tue, 6 Nov 2018 at 16:27, Darin Hatton wrote: > Set voltmeter to dc and do what? > > On Tue, Nov 6, 2018, 3:12 PM Dave duChêne wrote: > >> Set the meter to DC >> >> On Tue, 6 Nov 2018 at 15:42, Darin Hatton >> wrote: >> >>> Ok. Just got home and ran bike again. Stator results: with voltmeter >>> set on ac, black lead to ground and red to each yellow wire >>> individually I >>> got about 6.5 v.ac from each at idle (about1500rpm). Put voltmeter >>> on dc to check voltage at battery got 12.5 v.dc at 5k rpm. These were >>> done >>> with headlight OFF . >>> >>> On Nov 6, 2018 12:16 PM, "Glenn Evanish" wrote: >>> >>> 1989 PC800 was like that. In 1990, they went to magnets. I have a >>> 1990 and 1994. >>> >>> On Tue, Nov 6, 2018, 12:09 PM Darin Hatton >> wrote: >>> My daily rider is a 1983 gl650i silverwing. Non runner when I got it. Stator went out, pulse advancer coil went out and head gaskets. After all that it runs great and like I said, with 64k on clock it is my daily. Nighthawk charging system is field coil (supplies magnetic field) instead of permanent magnets. This is where the problem lies. My experience, what little I have, is all with permanent magnet types. My 81 cb400 hawk is permanent magnet type also On Tue, Nov 6, 2018, 11:09 AM EGrider wrote: > Interesting. I don't personally know what a field coil is, but on > the PC and Goldwing (at least, maybe others) you just start the bike, > turn > the VOM to AC, and read the output off the 3 wires. I believe each > should > be around 6 volts AC. This then goes to the R/R, which changes it to > DC and > dumps excess current as heat. PCs have a lot of charging system issues > since the stock R/Rs have no cooling fins and are tucked away under > the > tupperware without good air flow. I'm changing to a MOSFET with fins > as > preventive maintenance, but I'm retaining the original wiring so that > I can > just plug my OEM R/R on the road in a pinch. I do a lot of > long-distance > trips, and the PC is great for that if it keeps running. Other than > the > electrical issues, they are 100K mile bikes. But this is the Nighthawk > forum. I still have my Nighthawk, a lighter, nimbler, peppier bike. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, > send an email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to > nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at > https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/nighthawk_lovers/YeS_ODBx-wA/unsubscribe . To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from
Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Charging issues
I've got 2 good batteries hete I've been using in this bike and my 650 On Tue, Nov 6, 2018, 4:06 PM Dave duChêne wrote: > Sorry, you're right. I don't have the thread in my e-mail so this might be > a repeat . Have you tried using a charger to charge the battery? It might > be a bad cell. > > On Tue, 6 Nov 2018 at 16:54, Darin Hatton wrote: > >> HI Dave and thank you for responding to my cry for help. I have given >> readings in previous post for ac current coming from ac generator (stator) >> and dc current at battery at given rpms. You won't see dc power until >> rectifier does its magic and changes the wave patterns >> >> On Tue, Nov 6, 2018, 3:47 PM Dave duChêne wrote: >> >>> Nothing on the bike is AC (as far as I know), set to DC and take the >>> readings again. >>> Dave >>> >>> On Tue, 6 Nov 2018 at 16:27, Darin Hatton >>> wrote: >>> Set voltmeter to dc and do what? On Tue, Nov 6, 2018, 3:12 PM Dave duChêne wrote: > Set the meter to DC > > On Tue, 6 Nov 2018 at 15:42, Darin Hatton > wrote: > >> Ok. Just got home and ran bike again. Stator results: with voltmeter >> set on ac, black lead to ground and red to each yellow wire individually >> I >> got about 6.5 v.ac from each at idle (about1500rpm). Put voltmeter >> on dc to check voltage at battery got 12.5 v.dc at 5k rpm. These were >> done >> with headlight OFF . >> >> On Nov 6, 2018 12:16 PM, "Glenn Evanish" wrote: >> >> 1989 PC800 was like that. In 1990, they went to magnets. I have a >> 1990 and 1994. >> >> On Tue, Nov 6, 2018, 12:09 PM Darin Hatton > wrote: >> >>> My daily rider is a 1983 gl650i silverwing. Non runner when I got >>> it. Stator went out, pulse advancer coil went out and head gaskets. >>> After >>> all that it runs great and like I said, with 64k on clock it is my >>> daily. >>> Nighthawk charging system is field coil (supplies magnetic field) >>> instead >>> of permanent magnets. This is where the problem lies. My experience, >>> what >>> little I have, is all with permanent magnet types. My 81 cb400 hawk is >>> permanent magnet type also >>> >>> On Tue, Nov 6, 2018, 11:09 AM EGrider wrote: >>> Interesting. I don't personally know what a field coil is, but on the PC and Goldwing (at least, maybe others) you just start the bike, turn the VOM to AC, and read the output off the 3 wires. I believe each should be around 6 volts AC. This then goes to the R/R, which changes it to DC and dumps excess current as heat. PCs have a lot of charging system issues since the stock R/Rs have no cooling fins and are tucked away under the tupperware without good air flow. I'm changing to a MOSFET with fins as preventive maintenance, but I'm retaining the original wiring so that I can just plug my OEM R/R on the road in a pinch. I do a lot of long-distance trips, and the PC is great for that if it keeps running. Other than the electrical issues, they are 100K mile bikes. But this is the Nighthawk forum. I still have my Nighthawk, a lighter, nimbler, peppier bike. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in >>> the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/nighthawk_lovers/YeS_ODBx-wA/unsubscribe >>> . >>> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to >>> nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> >>> To post to this group, send email to >>> nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers >>> . >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >> send an email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to >> nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. >> For
Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Charging issues
Sorry, you're right. I don't have the thread in my e-mail so this might be a repeat . Have you tried using a charger to charge the battery? It might be a bad cell. On Tue, 6 Nov 2018 at 16:54, Darin Hatton wrote: > HI Dave and thank you for responding to my cry for help. I have given > readings in previous post for ac current coming from ac generator (stator) > and dc current at battery at given rpms. You won't see dc power until > rectifier does its magic and changes the wave patterns > > On Tue, Nov 6, 2018, 3:47 PM Dave duChêne wrote: > >> Nothing on the bike is AC (as far as I know), set to DC and take the >> readings again. >> Dave >> >> On Tue, 6 Nov 2018 at 16:27, Darin Hatton wrote: >> >>> Set voltmeter to dc and do what? >>> >>> On Tue, Nov 6, 2018, 3:12 PM Dave duChêne wrote: >>> Set the meter to DC On Tue, 6 Nov 2018 at 15:42, Darin Hatton wrote: > Ok. Just got home and ran bike again. Stator results: with voltmeter > set on ac, black lead to ground and red to each yellow wire individually I > got about 6.5 v.ac from each at idle (about1500rpm). Put voltmeter > on dc to check voltage at battery got 12.5 v.dc at 5k rpm. These were done > with headlight OFF . > > On Nov 6, 2018 12:16 PM, "Glenn Evanish" wrote: > > 1989 PC800 was like that. In 1990, they went to magnets. I have a 1990 > and 1994. > > On Tue, Nov 6, 2018, 12:09 PM Darin Hatton wrote: > >> My daily rider is a 1983 gl650i silverwing. Non runner when I got >> it. Stator went out, pulse advancer coil went out and head gaskets. >> After >> all that it runs great and like I said, with 64k on clock it is my daily. >> Nighthawk charging system is field coil (supplies magnetic field) instead >> of permanent magnets. This is where the problem lies. My experience, what >> little I have, is all with permanent magnet types. My 81 cb400 hawk is >> permanent magnet type also >> >> On Tue, Nov 6, 2018, 11:09 AM EGrider wrote: >> >>> Interesting. I don't personally know what a field coil is, but on >>> the PC and Goldwing (at least, maybe others) you just start the bike, >>> turn >>> the VOM to AC, and read the output off the 3 wires. I believe each >>> should >>> be around 6 volts AC. This then goes to the R/R, which changes it to DC >>> and >>> dumps excess current as heat. PCs have a lot of charging system issues >>> since the stock R/Rs have no cooling fins and are tucked away under the >>> tupperware without good air flow. I'm changing to a MOSFET with fins as >>> preventive maintenance, but I'm retaining the original wiring so that I >>> can >>> just plug my OEM R/R on the road in a pinch. I do a lot of long-distance >>> trips, and the PC is great for that if it keeps running. Other than the >>> electrical issues, they are 100K mile bikes. But this is the Nighthawk >>> forum. I still have my Nighthawk, a lighter, nimbler, peppier bike. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>> send an email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to >>> nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers >>> . >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in >> the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. >> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/nighthawk_lovers/YeS_ODBx-wA/unsubscribe >> . >> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to >> nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> >> To post to this group, send email to >> nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com > . > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an email to
Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Charging issues
HI Dave and thank you for responding to my cry for help. I have given readings in previous post for ac current coming from ac generator (stator) and dc current at battery at given rpms. You won't see dc power until rectifier does its magic and changes the wave patterns On Tue, Nov 6, 2018, 3:47 PM Dave duChêne wrote: > Nothing on the bike is AC (as far as I know), set to DC and take the > readings again. > Dave > > On Tue, 6 Nov 2018 at 16:27, Darin Hatton wrote: > >> Set voltmeter to dc and do what? >> >> On Tue, Nov 6, 2018, 3:12 PM Dave duChêne wrote: >> >>> Set the meter to DC >>> >>> On Tue, 6 Nov 2018 at 15:42, Darin Hatton >>> wrote: >>> Ok. Just got home and ran bike again. Stator results: with voltmeter set on ac, black lead to ground and red to each yellow wire individually I got about 6.5 v.ac from each at idle (about1500rpm). Put voltmeter on dc to check voltage at battery got 12.5 v.dc at 5k rpm. These were done with headlight OFF . On Nov 6, 2018 12:16 PM, "Glenn Evanish" wrote: 1989 PC800 was like that. In 1990, they went to magnets. I have a 1990 and 1994. On Tue, Nov 6, 2018, 12:09 PM Darin Hatton >>> wrote: > My daily rider is a 1983 gl650i silverwing. Non runner when I got it. > Stator went out, pulse advancer coil went out and head gaskets. After all > that it runs great and like I said, with 64k on clock it is my daily. > Nighthawk charging system is field coil (supplies magnetic field) instead > of permanent magnets. This is where the problem lies. My experience, what > little I have, is all with permanent magnet types. My 81 cb400 hawk is > permanent magnet type also > > On Tue, Nov 6, 2018, 11:09 AM EGrider wrote: > >> Interesting. I don't personally know what a field coil is, but on the >> PC and Goldwing (at least, maybe others) you just start the bike, turn >> the >> VOM to AC, and read the output off the 3 wires. I believe each should be >> around 6 volts AC. This then goes to the R/R, which changes it to DC and >> dumps excess current as heat. PCs have a lot of charging system issues >> since the stock R/Rs have no cooling fins and are tucked away under the >> tupperware without good air flow. I'm changing to a MOSFET with fins as >> preventive maintenance, but I'm retaining the original wiring so that I >> can >> just plug my OEM R/R on the road in a pinch. I do a lot of long-distance >> trips, and the PC is great for that if it keeps running. Other than the >> electrical issues, they are 100K mile bikes. But this is the Nighthawk >> forum. I still have my Nighthawk, a lighter, nimbler, peppier bike. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >> send an email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to >> nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the > Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. > To unsubscribe from this topic, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/topic/nighthawk_lovers/YeS_ODBx-wA/unsubscribe > . > To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to > nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com > . > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> If you forward this e-mail please remove my address. >>> >>> -- >>> You
Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Charging issues
Nothing on the bike is AC (as far as I know), set to DC and take the readings again. Dave On Tue, 6 Nov 2018 at 16:27, Darin Hatton wrote: > Set voltmeter to dc and do what? > > On Tue, Nov 6, 2018, 3:12 PM Dave duChêne wrote: > >> Set the meter to DC >> >> On Tue, 6 Nov 2018 at 15:42, Darin Hatton wrote: >> >>> Ok. Just got home and ran bike again. Stator results: with voltmeter set >>> on ac, black lead to ground and red to each yellow wire individually I got >>> about 6.5 v.ac from each at idle (about1500rpm). Put voltmeter on dc >>> to check voltage at battery got 12.5 v.dc at 5k rpm. These were done with >>> headlight OFF . >>> >>> On Nov 6, 2018 12:16 PM, "Glenn Evanish" wrote: >>> >>> 1989 PC800 was like that. In 1990, they went to magnets. I have a 1990 >>> and 1994. >>> >>> On Tue, Nov 6, 2018, 12:09 PM Darin Hatton >> wrote: >>> My daily rider is a 1983 gl650i silverwing. Non runner when I got it. Stator went out, pulse advancer coil went out and head gaskets. After all that it runs great and like I said, with 64k on clock it is my daily. Nighthawk charging system is field coil (supplies magnetic field) instead of permanent magnets. This is where the problem lies. My experience, what little I have, is all with permanent magnet types. My 81 cb400 hawk is permanent magnet type also On Tue, Nov 6, 2018, 11:09 AM EGrider wrote: > Interesting. I don't personally know what a field coil is, but on the > PC and Goldwing (at least, maybe others) you just start the bike, turn the > VOM to AC, and read the output off the 3 wires. I believe each should be > around 6 volts AC. This then goes to the R/R, which changes it to DC and > dumps excess current as heat. PCs have a lot of charging system issues > since the stock R/Rs have no cooling fins and are tucked away under the > tupperware without good air flow. I'm changing to a MOSFET with fins as > preventive maintenance, but I'm retaining the original wiring so that I > can > just plug my OEM R/R on the road in a pinch. I do a lot of long-distance > trips, and the PC is great for that if it keeps running. Other than the > electrical issues, they are 100K mile bikes. But this is the Nighthawk > forum. I still have my Nighthawk, a lighter, nimbler, peppier bike. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com > . > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/nighthawk_lovers/YeS_ODBx-wA/unsubscribe . To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> >> >> -- >> If you forward this e-mail please remove my address. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. >> For more options, visit
Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Charging issues
Set voltmeter to dc and do what? On Tue, Nov 6, 2018, 3:12 PM Dave duChêne wrote: > Set the meter to DC > > On Tue, 6 Nov 2018 at 15:42, Darin Hatton wrote: > >> Ok. Just got home and ran bike again. Stator results: with voltmeter set >> on ac, black lead to ground and red to each yellow wire individually I got >> about 6.5 v.ac from each at idle (about1500rpm). Put voltmeter on dc to >> check voltage at battery got 12.5 v.dc at 5k rpm. These were done with >> headlight OFF . >> >> On Nov 6, 2018 12:16 PM, "Glenn Evanish" wrote: >> >> 1989 PC800 was like that. In 1990, they went to magnets. I have a 1990 >> and 1994. >> >> On Tue, Nov 6, 2018, 12:09 PM Darin Hatton > >>> My daily rider is a 1983 gl650i silverwing. Non runner when I got it. >>> Stator went out, pulse advancer coil went out and head gaskets. After all >>> that it runs great and like I said, with 64k on clock it is my daily. >>> Nighthawk charging system is field coil (supplies magnetic field) instead >>> of permanent magnets. This is where the problem lies. My experience, what >>> little I have, is all with permanent magnet types. My 81 cb400 hawk is >>> permanent magnet type also >>> >>> On Tue, Nov 6, 2018, 11:09 AM EGrider wrote: >>> Interesting. I don't personally know what a field coil is, but on the PC and Goldwing (at least, maybe others) you just start the bike, turn the VOM to AC, and read the output off the 3 wires. I believe each should be around 6 volts AC. This then goes to the R/R, which changes it to DC and dumps excess current as heat. PCs have a lot of charging system issues since the stock R/Rs have no cooling fins and are tucked away under the tupperware without good air flow. I'm changing to a MOSFET with fins as preventive maintenance, but I'm retaining the original wiring so that I can just plug my OEM R/R on the road in a pinch. I do a lot of long-distance trips, and the PC is great for that if it keeps running. Other than the electrical issues, they are 100K mile bikes. But this is the Nighthawk forum. I still have my Nighthawk, a lighter, nimbler, peppier bike. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the >>> Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/nighthawk_lovers/YeS_ODBx-wA/unsubscribe >>> . >>> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to >>> nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> >>> To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > > -- > If you forward this e-mail please remove my address. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To
Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Charging issues
Set the meter to DC On Tue, 6 Nov 2018 at 15:42, Darin Hatton wrote: > Ok. Just got home and ran bike again. Stator results: with voltmeter set > on ac, black lead to ground and red to each yellow wire individually I got > about 6.5 v.ac from each at idle (about1500rpm). Put voltmeter on dc to > check voltage at battery got 12.5 v.dc at 5k rpm. These were done with > headlight OFF . > > On Nov 6, 2018 12:16 PM, "Glenn Evanish" wrote: > > 1989 PC800 was like that. In 1990, they went to magnets. I have a 1990 and > 1994. > > On Tue, Nov 6, 2018, 12:09 PM Darin Hatton >> My daily rider is a 1983 gl650i silverwing. Non runner when I got it. >> Stator went out, pulse advancer coil went out and head gaskets. After all >> that it runs great and like I said, with 64k on clock it is my daily. >> Nighthawk charging system is field coil (supplies magnetic field) instead >> of permanent magnets. This is where the problem lies. My experience, what >> little I have, is all with permanent magnet types. My 81 cb400 hawk is >> permanent magnet type also >> >> On Tue, Nov 6, 2018, 11:09 AM EGrider wrote: >> >>> Interesting. I don't personally know what a field coil is, but on the PC >>> and Goldwing (at least, maybe others) you just start the bike, turn the VOM >>> to AC, and read the output off the 3 wires. I believe each should be around >>> 6 volts AC. This then goes to the R/R, which changes it to DC and dumps >>> excess current as heat. PCs have a lot of charging system issues since the >>> stock R/Rs have no cooling fins and are tucked away under the tupperware >>> without good air flow. I'm changing to a MOSFET with fins as preventive >>> maintenance, but I'm retaining the original wiring so that I can just plug >>> my OEM R/R on the road in a pinch. I do a lot of long-distance trips, and >>> the PC is great for that if it keeps running. Other than the electrical >>> issues, they are 100K mile bikes. But this is the Nighthawk forum. I still >>> have my Nighthawk, a lighter, nimbler, peppier bike. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the >> Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. >> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/nighthawk_lovers/YeS_ODBx-wA/unsubscribe >> . >> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to >> nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> >> To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- If you forward this e-mail please remove my address. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Charging issues
Ok. Just got home and ran bike again. Stator results: with voltmeter set on ac, black lead to ground and red to each yellow wire individually I got about 6.5 v.ac from each at idle (about1500rpm). Put voltmeter on dc to check voltage at battery got 12.5 v.dc at 5k rpm. These were done with headlight OFF . On Nov 6, 2018 12:16 PM, "Glenn Evanish" wrote: 1989 PC800 was like that. In 1990, they went to magnets. I have a 1990 and 1994. On Tue, Nov 6, 2018, 12:09 PM Darin Hatton My daily rider is a 1983 gl650i silverwing. Non runner when I got it. > Stator went out, pulse advancer coil went out and head gaskets. After all > that it runs great and like I said, with 64k on clock it is my daily. > Nighthawk charging system is field coil (supplies magnetic field) instead > of permanent magnets. This is where the problem lies. My experience, what > little I have, is all with permanent magnet types. My 81 cb400 hawk is > permanent magnet type also > > On Tue, Nov 6, 2018, 11:09 AM EGrider wrote: > >> Interesting. I don't personally know what a field coil is, but on the PC >> and Goldwing (at least, maybe others) you just start the bike, turn the VOM >> to AC, and read the output off the 3 wires. I believe each should be around >> 6 volts AC. This then goes to the R/R, which changes it to DC and dumps >> excess current as heat. PCs have a lot of charging system issues since the >> stock R/Rs have no cooling fins and are tucked away under the tupperware >> without good air flow. I'm changing to a MOSFET with fins as preventive >> maintenance, but I'm retaining the original wiring so that I can just plug >> my OEM R/R on the road in a pinch. I do a lot of long-distance trips, and >> the PC is great for that if it keeps running. Other than the electrical >> issues, they are 100K mile bikes. But this is the Nighthawk forum. I still >> have my Nighthawk, a lighter, nimbler, peppier bike. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the > Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. > To unsubscribe from this topic, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/topic/nighthawk_lovers/YeS_ODBx-wA/unsubscribe > . > To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to > nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Charging issues
1989 PC800 was like that. In 1990, they went to magnets. I have a 1990 and 1994. On Tue, Nov 6, 2018, 12:09 PM Darin Hatton My daily rider is a 1983 gl650i silverwing. Non runner when I got it. > Stator went out, pulse advancer coil went out and head gaskets. After all > that it runs great and like I said, with 64k on clock it is my daily. > Nighthawk charging system is field coil (supplies magnetic field) instead > of permanent magnets. This is where the problem lies. My experience, what > little I have, is all with permanent magnet types. My 81 cb400 hawk is > permanent magnet type also > > On Tue, Nov 6, 2018, 11:09 AM EGrider wrote: > >> Interesting. I don't personally know what a field coil is, but on the PC >> and Goldwing (at least, maybe others) you just start the bike, turn the VOM >> to AC, and read the output off the 3 wires. I believe each should be around >> 6 volts AC. This then goes to the R/R, which changes it to DC and dumps >> excess current as heat. PCs have a lot of charging system issues since the >> stock R/Rs have no cooling fins and are tucked away under the tupperware >> without good air flow. I'm changing to a MOSFET with fins as preventive >> maintenance, but I'm retaining the original wiring so that I can just plug >> my OEM R/R on the road in a pinch. I do a lot of long-distance trips, and >> the PC is great for that if it keeps running. Other than the electrical >> issues, they are 100K mile bikes. But this is the Nighthawk forum. I still >> have my Nighthawk, a lighter, nimbler, peppier bike. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the > Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. > To unsubscribe from this topic, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/topic/nighthawk_lovers/YeS_ODBx-wA/unsubscribe > . > To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to > nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Charging issues
My daily rider is a 1983 gl650i silverwing. Non runner when I got it. Stator went out, pulse advancer coil went out and head gaskets. After all that it runs great and like I said, with 64k on clock it is my daily. Nighthawk charging system is field coil (supplies magnetic field) instead of permanent magnets. This is where the problem lies. My experience, what little I have, is all with permanent magnet types. My 81 cb400 hawk is permanent magnet type also On Tue, Nov 6, 2018, 11:09 AM EGrider wrote: > Interesting. I don't personally know what a field coil is, but on the PC > and Goldwing (at least, maybe others) you just start the bike, turn the VOM > to AC, and read the output off the 3 wires. I believe each should be around > 6 volts AC. This then goes to the R/R, which changes it to DC and dumps > excess current as heat. PCs have a lot of charging system issues since the > stock R/Rs have no cooling fins and are tucked away under the tupperware > without good air flow. I'm changing to a MOSFET with fins as preventive > maintenance, but I'm retaining the original wiring so that I can just plug > my OEM R/R on the road in a pinch. I do a lot of long-distance trips, and > the PC is great for that if it keeps running. Other than the electrical > issues, they are 100K mile bikes. But this is the Nighthawk forum. I still > have my Nighthawk, a lighter, nimbler, peppier bike. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Charging issues
Interesting. I don't personally know what a field coil is, but on the PC and Goldwing (at least, maybe others) you just start the bike, turn the VOM to AC, and read the output off the 3 wires. I believe each should be around 6 volts AC. This then goes to the R/R, which changes it to DC and dumps excess current as heat. PCs have a lot of charging system issues since the stock R/Rs have no cooling fins and are tucked away under the tupperware without good air flow. I'm changing to a MOSFET with fins as preventive maintenance, but I'm retaining the original wiring so that I can just plug my OEM R/R on the road in a pinch. I do a lot of long-distance trips, and the PC is great for that if it keeps running. Other than the electrical issues, they are 100K mile bikes. But this is the Nighthawk forum. I still have my Nighthawk, a lighter, nimbler, peppier bike. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Charging issues
Always did like the Pacific Coast bikes. From what I've read, the stator won't put out without having 12volts to activate field coil On Tue, Nov 6, 2018, 10:03 AM EGrider wrote: > I usually think in the direction stator -> battery, not the other way > around. The current starts at the stator and travels to the battery for > storage. I am currently waiting for a new R/R I ordered (a MOSFET R/R), and > when it arrives, I plan to do what is known as a "hotwire mod." This means > that the output from the R/R goes directly to the battery (with a 30A fuse > in between) instead of going through the entire wire harness. > > This is on a PC800, not a CB700, but the principle should apply. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Charging issues
I usually think in the direction stator -> battery, not the other way around. The current starts at the stator and travels to the battery for storage. I am currently waiting for a new R/R I ordered (a MOSFET R/R), and when it arrives, I plan to do what is known as a "hotwire mod." This means that the output from the R/R goes directly to the battery (with a 30A fuse in between) instead of going through the entire wire harness. This is on a PC800, not a CB700, but the principle should apply. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Charging issues
My other bikes are permanent magnet type charging systems. First time dealing with field coil type On Tue, Nov 6, 2018, 9:47 AM Darin Hatton wrote: > I will test again this afternoon and post results. I have checked and > didn't seem to be putting out much. Seems like I'm not getting enough > voltage to field coil . Black wire from ignition to reg/rectifier was > losing about 1 volt between battery and reg/rectifier. Will post more after > work. Thank you for replying > > On Tue, Nov 6, 2018, 9:06 AM EGrider wrote: > >> How many volts AC are you getting out of the three wires coming out of >> the stator? >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Charging issues
I will test again this afternoon and post results. I have checked and didn't seem to be putting out much. Seems like I'm not getting enough voltage to field coil . Black wire from ignition to reg/rectifier was losing about 1 volt between battery and reg/rectifier. Will post more after work. Thank you for replying On Tue, Nov 6, 2018, 9:06 AM EGrider wrote: > How many volts AC are you getting out of the three wires coming out of the > stator? > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Charging issues
How many volts AC are you getting out of the three wires coming out of the stator? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
