RE: PESO - Man's Intrusion

2007-01-09 Thread Markus Maurer
It reminds me of the ugly expressway bridge the built directly over the
river Sihl here in the city of Zurich.
A good example how it should not be done :-(
greetings
Markus


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Taken on a morning walk yesterday.

Pentax K10D, A 70-210/4, Handheld
ISO 400, f/8

http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_4227.htm

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Re: Ford and Microsoft go wireless

2007-01-09 Thread Digital Image Studio
On 09/01/07, Kenneth Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 With my Boxster, most functional options were stand alone.

I think that comes with the volume/cost/exclusivity of the vehicle,
that said my vehicle in the UK is available for order with any
practical combination of options whereas in Oz it's prescribed, that I
guess is a cost/volume issue for the importers.

You didn't cut the Boxer dash to bits to fit a GPS unit by chance? ;-)

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Re: Ford and Microsoft go wireless

2007-01-09 Thread mike wilson

 
 From: John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 2007/01/08 Mon PM 09:21:27 GMT
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Subject: Re: Ford and Microsoft go wireless
 
 On Tue, Jan 09, 2007 at 07:52:42AM +1100, Digital Image Studio wrote:
  On 09/01/07, Kenneth Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   I guess a lot has to do with what you do with your car.
   My 31 year old son is looking for a new vehicle  is having a hard time
   considering any without Blue tooth technology due to the convenience it
   offers, tho I'm not sure he's willing to pay extra for it. I read 
   somewhere
   that this technology can add up to $1,000 USD to the cost to the customer.
  
  That's what I just love about car manufacturers, $10 worth of tech to
  the manufacturer is $1k to the client. Case in point; the integrated
  nav unit in my vehicle is a $5k option yet it's slower and clunkier
  than most $500 stand alone units. :-(
 
 And probably doesn't work as well, either.
 
 I can't use my (Bluetooth) Treo 700w with my (Bluetooth) BMW Z4, even
 though the BMW supposedly offers full integration - sound through the
 car audio speakers, and a microphone on the steering column.  That's
 because the car wants to know the contents of the phone book (so it
 can identify an incoming call on the in-car display, etc.).  But it
 expects phone numbers to consist of just the digits 0-9.  Unfortunately
 the Treo is a Windows Mobile 5 device, and uses Outlook Mobile as the
 contact manager.  This displays phone numbers formatted for human eyes
 complete with parentheses and hyphens. This upsets the car, and so it
 drops the Bluetooth connection :-(

This is getting dangerously close to DSLR/aperture simulator territory..


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Re: Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-09 Thread DagT
Are you citing Saddam or Bush?

 Fra: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 If we can't have respect then fear will have to do...
 
 William Robb wrote:
  - Original Message - 
  From: P. J. Alling Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence
 
 

  You can't make everyone happy all the time, and personally I'd prefer to
  respected.
  
 
  Therin lies the problem. The Bushites have cost your country more than you 
  could ever begin to imagine.
 
  William Robb 
 
 

 
 
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Re: Enablement

2007-01-09 Thread mike wilson

 
 From: Frits Wüthrich [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 2007/01/08 Mon PM 09:30:57 GMT
 To: pdml@pdml.net
 Subject: Re: Enablement
 
 On Monday 08 January 2007 21:14, mike wilson wrote:
   From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Date: 2007/01/08 Mon PM 07:16:00 GMT
   To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
   Subject: Re: Enablement
  
  
   - Original Message -
   From: John Celio Subject: Enablement
  
P.S.: the job doesn't have medical benefits.  Anyone have advice for
finding
a medical plan?
  
   Move to Canada.
 
  Or the UK - or most other EU countries.  Good luck.
 
 
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 You want to promote NHS ???

At point of use, it's still one of the best.  It must be good, as so many 
companies are biting each others' ankles to get a slice of it, now it's being 
sold off.


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Re: PESO - American Fence (the process of creativty)

2007-01-09 Thread DagT
It depends on how you photograph.  For me the triopd always gets in the way.  I 
like to move freely, to change angles and to follow the subject, even in a 
studio or using medium format.  So the only times I use the tripod is for still 
life. I never carry it around.

DagT
 
 Fra: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Dato: 2007/01/09 Tue AM 02:25:11 CET
 Til: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Emne: Re: PESO - American Fence (the process of creativty)
 
 Well, Ken, in both cases the tripod provides better results.  It's the
 misuse of the tripod, or not using it in the best manner, that can
 contribute to lesser results.  But, the results you're talking about are
 aesthetic, not technical.  And even by using the camera/tripod as you
 suggest, aesthetic results can be crap
 
 Shel
 
 
 
  [Original Message]
  From: Kenneth Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
  Date: 1/8/2007 12:44:26 PM
  Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence (the process of creativty)
 
   So, the short answer is, regardless of shutter speed, using a tripod can
   help achieve better results.
 
  Agreed, but I've also seen it hinder better results.
 
  I've seen photogs approach a subject with the camera already tripod
 mounted, 
  legs extended  simply set up  snap away. In these cases the tripod is 
  preventing full exploration of the photographic opportunities.
 
  I was taught when using a tripod, to view the subject thru an unmounted 
  camera, @ various perspectives  only when I arrived at the desired scene
 to 
  then bring the tripod into use  set it up to capture that view.
 
  Kenneth Waller
  - Original Message - 
  From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence (the process of creativty)
 
 
   Hi Boris,
  
   To answer your question, there are a few reasons, or maybe several
   variations on the same reason.  First, a tripod is always more stable
 than
   hand held, and since this shot didn't need quick reflexes, and it was
 easy
   to set up the t'pod, why not go for as high a quality as I could get. 
 The
   other thing I noticed is that, as I've gotten older, I sometimes move
   forward and back, usually very imperceptibly - in fact, it's more of a
   feeling that I'm moving than actually observing it - and the tripod
 keeps
   the camera in the same plane, or the same precise distance, from the
   subject, reducing focusing errors.  Further, the use of the t'pod
 allows 
   me
   to more carefully frame the shot, avoiding slight tilts that sometimes
   occur when shooting hand held and giving me the freedom to frame more
   accurately.  It also allows better use of  mirror prefire or bracketing.
  
   So, the short answer is, regardless of shutter speed, using a tripod can
   help achieve better results.
  
   Shel
  
  
  
   [Original Message]
   From: Boris Liberman
  
another technically excellent photo from Shel, and why would
   he shot from tripod at 1/800 sec shutter speed.
  
  
  
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Re: How does one unlock an SD card??

2007-01-09 Thread Thibouille
Sometimes I wonder how this is possible.
Older people, well they have a good excuse I imagine but others?

Well, thinking about it, I'm happy the PS my mother uses is using SD
cards... She probably would be first candidate :D

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Re: Ford and Microsoft go wireless

2007-01-09 Thread mike wilson

 
 From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 2007/01/08 Mon PM 10:50:25 GMT
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Subject: Re: Ford and Microsoft go wireless
 
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Kenneth Waller Subject: Re: Ford and Microsoft go wireless
 
 
  Case in point; the integrated
  nav unit in my vehicle is a $5k option yet it's slower and clunkier
  than most $500 stand alone units. :-(
 
  Then I have to ask why did you purchase it?
 
  Of the many new cars I've purchased, I've always ordered  had made 
  exactly
  what I wanted.
 
 
 When I was shopping for my Titan, I discovered that in the USA, you get to 
 order every additional item that you want over and above the stock vehicle. 

Customer thought: Hey, I don't have to pay for things I don't want!
Salesperson thought: Oh boy, am I going to sock it to you for everything extra 
you order.

 In Canada, I had the choice of three option packages, none of which was 
 quite right.



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Re: Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-09 Thread SJ
four years of occupation of another sovereign country with another
'surge' in troops in the offing; an illegal war not sanctioned by the
UN; 6,50,000 people dead in those four years, 3000 of them american...

all for what? democracy? come on, saddam is a baby in the woods.


On 1/9/07, DagT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Are you citing Saddam or Bush?

  Fra: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
  If we can't have respect then fear will have to do...
 
  William Robb wrote:
   - Original Message -
   From: P. J. Alling Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence
  
  
  
   You can't make everyone happy all the time, and personally I'd prefer to
   respected.
  
  
   Therin lies the problem. The Bushites have cost your country more than you
   could ever begin to imagine.

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Re: OT Question (was Re: OT Is returning a phone message really that complicated)

2007-01-09 Thread mike wilson

 
 From: Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 2007/01/08 Mon PM 11:19:44 GMT
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Subject: Re: OT Question (was Re: OT Is returning a phone message really that
   complicated)
 
 keith_w wrote:
  Adam Maas wrote:
  
  [...]
  
  The s is correct, z is american usage (Sadly common in Canada as the 
  schools teach correct english less and less).
 
  -Adam
 
  
  Oh?
  [C]orrect English, you say?
  H.
  
  keith whaley
  
  
 
 Yes, as defined by the OED, not by Websters. Correct Canadian usage is 
 UK English, not American usage.

'Pas en Quebec.


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Re: Finally got my K10D. but..........

2007-01-09 Thread Thibouille
Strange how we almost never hear of that kind fo problem with
Tokina/Tamron/Cosina etc. 3rd party lenses. Really strange, no?
Of course, Sigma sells a lot more lens too.

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Re: Ford and Microsoft go wireless

2007-01-09 Thread mike wilson

 
 From: Digital Image Studio [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 2007/01/08 Mon PM 11:21:30 GMT
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Subject: Re: Ford and Microsoft go wireless
 
 On 09/01/07, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  When I was shopping for my Titan, I discovered that in the USA, you get to
  order every additional item that you want over and above the stock vehicle.
  In Canada, I had the choice of three option packages, none of which was
  quite right.
 
 The same here, options are linked to engine capacity, the higher the
 engine capacity the greater the range of options, it's a PITA. In
 there infinite wisdom the idiots who put together the Oz packages for
 my vehicle excluded the CD stacker cable in the vehicle with the
 smallest engine which means that I can have a cable put in for a
 thousand bucks or so (and no, third party install is not a viable
 option in this vehicle) or alternately not be able to play audio CDs
 whilst using my nav. Also the nav unit is CD only and does not read
 mp3 files however it does have a wide screen display (but you need a
 third party buggery box to access and enable the AV in). Priceless.

It's even more of a hoot if you need something very simple doing, like adding a 
towbar.  My Mondeo: £140, done at my house in two hours, all inclusive.  My 
friends Espace, with CAN wiring: You need to give us a month's notice for 
wiring additions, Sir.  The specialist will be here on x.  That's the only 
date available for the rest of this year.  It will take us most of the day.  
That will be £600, plus the cost of the towbar.  Sir.


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RE: Sigma EF500 DG Super madness?

2007-01-09 Thread Henk Terhell
What batteries are you using on the Pentax 540 something? The reason I
ask that NiMH of at least 2100 mAh work so much better than alkaline
batteries in my Metz flash, but I'm thinking about a P-TTL unit.

Henk
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I had my Sigma EF 500 DG Super upgraded for the K100, because I  
figured that would make it compatible with the K10D. When my K10D  
arrived, I mounted the Sigma and fired away. It died. Completely. No  
flash. I'm going to send it to them, but I'm not hopeful. I needed a  
flash, so I bought the Pentax equivelant, the 540 something. It works  
well, but goes through batteries in a hurry. I thought I read that  
Pentax was going to release a remote battery hookup for this flash.  
Hope so. In the meantime, I also use my AF400T with my remote Battery  
II. On autoflash it works just fine.
Paul
On Jan 7, 2007, at 7:38 PM, David J Brooks wrote:

 Quoting Doug Franklin [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Dario Bonazza wrote:

 The flash fired every time [on the K10D] (clearly visible in 
 viewfinder), but synch timing was obviously off.

 That's the same thing I saw when I tested it on my K10D, too.  I
 worked
 great with the *ist D the last time I used it, but I didn't retest it
 after putting in on the K10D.  I'm sure hoping they come up with a
 firmware update like they did for the K100D.  If they don't, it'll be
 the last Sigma product I buy.

 I hear ya Doug

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Re: Sigma EF500 DG Super madness?

2007-01-09 Thread Thibouille
What about Lithium ones BTW, specially compared to NiMH?

2007/1/9, Henk Terhell [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 What batteries are you using on the Pentax 540 something? The reason I
 ask that NiMH of at least 2100 mAh work so much better than alkaline
 batteries in my Metz flash, but I'm thinking about a P-TTL unit.

 Henk
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 Subject: Re: Sigma EF500 DG Super madness?


 I had my Sigma EF 500 DG Super upgraded for the K100, because I
 figured that would make it compatible with the K10D. When my K10D
 arrived, I mounted the Sigma and fired away. It died. Completely. No
 flash. I'm going to send it to them, but I'm not hopeful. I needed a
 flash, so I bought the Pentax equivelant, the 540 something. It works
 well, but goes through batteries in a hurry. I thought I read that
 Pentax was going to release a remote battery hookup for this flash.
 Hope so. In the meantime, I also use my AF400T with my remote Battery
 II. On autoflash it works just fine.
 Paul
 On Jan 7, 2007, at 7:38 PM, David J Brooks wrote:

  Quoting Doug Franklin [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 
  Dario Bonazza wrote:
 
  The flash fired every time [on the K10D] (clearly visible in
  viewfinder), but synch timing was obviously off.
 
  That's the same thing I saw when I tested it on my K10D, too.  I
  worked
  great with the *ist D the last time I used it, but I didn't retest it
  after putting in on the K10D.  I'm sure hoping they come up with a
  firmware update like they did for the K100D.  If they don't, it'll be
  the last Sigma product I buy.
 
  I hear ya Doug
 
  Dave
 
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Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-09 Thread mike wilson

 
 From: Mark Cassino [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 2007/01/09 Tue AM 12:01:30 GMT
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence
 
 Shel Belinkoff wrote:
  Thanks for commenting, Mark.  For the most part, with subjects like this, I
  prefer a simple, straight-ahead approach, at least in the beginning.  If
  there is more to photography, different perspectives and viewpoints may be
  tried.
 
 I think the straight social realism approach works best with this sort 
 of subject. Glamming it up with nice lighting or a distinctive angle of 
 view (birds eye, worms eye, whatever) distracts from the straight 
 content. Presented without comment is how I see such shots - and 
 sometimes the fence is just a fence, sometimes not.

What struck me about the image was the slightly surreal way the kink in the 
fence made the painted flag look like it was waving in the wind.


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Re: PESO: Show Pony

2007-01-09 Thread mike wilson

 
 From: David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 2007/01/09 Tue AM 03:30:17 GMT
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 Subject: Re: PESO: Show Pony
 
 Nice shot.
 
 Did you happen to get any of the Holden (GM) EFIJY concept car?

And people have difficulty with _American_ spelling?

 
 Cheers,
 
 Dave
 
 On 1/9/07, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I did some pics at the North American International Auto Show today.
  I have a lot of pics and have only processed a few. The K10D was nice
  to work with. Shot most of it handheld with SR turned on. Great
  camera for events in indoor venues. Here's a Mustang show car. I have
  some more interesting stuff that I haven't processed, so I'll
  probably post a few more later.
  Paul
  http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5429605size=lg
 
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RE: How does one unlock an SD card??

2007-01-09 Thread Henk Terhell
I'm also not so sure I like the switch from CF to SD. Never had any
problems with CF in the istD, but the first SD card (Sandisk Ultra II) I
put on my K10D was first OK but now already refuses to be read in the PC
disk drive. I have not mistreated it in any way (but perhaps I'm too old
for these tiny things?). Now I have to use the PC cable to unload this
card.

Henk

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On 09/01/07, John Celio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Bent pins are a nightmare, because you have to support the customer 
 for something they did from not following the instructions.  It's not 
 a manufacturing defect, but the customer will usually piss and moan 
 like it is.

 I think that was a big motivating factor for the switch to SD.

Just pop your SD card in your DSLR only upside down and push real hard,
you'll find something will break but most often it's the card. I'm also
hearing more anecdotes about dirty contacts on SD cards causing
read/write unreliability. Nothing's fool proof.

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Re: PESO - Eagle And Flag

2007-01-09 Thread Paul Stenquist
Good work, Mark. Did you shoot that eagle on one of our zoo adventures?
Paul
On Jan 8, 2007, at 11:35 PM, David Savage wrote:

 On 1/9/07, Mark Cassino [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Not a shot of found objects, I made this:

 http://www.markcassino.com/temp/flag.jpg

 A composite shot - the bird was taken with A Pz-1p and A* 400mm f2.8,
 AF500FTZ flash. The flag was a little 8x10 inch plastic lawn flag
 snapped with a Nikon Coolpix 990. A little gaussian blur on the flag,
 knock the two images together, viola... (Um - pardon the French.)

 This was the cover shot and July image for a DAV calendar. I don't
 remember what year - I think  2006, maybe 2005. (Can't lay my hands on
 my copy.)

 One of the stock agencies I work with sold it. I got a copy of the
 calendar in the mail as just part of the regular mass distribution,
 opened it up and though Dang! I have a photo just like that! then
 realized it was mine. On the calendar the Pledge of Allegiance was
 overlaid on the bottom of the image image in gold type.

 I was surprised that it sold, because there are pretty stong 
 conventions
that the stars must be on the left.

 A bit cliched/kitch, but I like it anyway :-).

 What's the reasoning behind having the flag flipped? To me it works
 just as well with the flag the right way around, and the eagle looking
 to the right..

 Another interesting thing. When I open the .jpg in PS it has a ruler
 guide to the left.


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Re: PESO: Show Pony

2007-01-09 Thread Paul Stenquist
Thanks Doug. I think it has Mustang lines front and rear, although as a 
styling exercise, it's an exaggeration.
Paul
On Jan 9, 2007, at 12:18 AM, Doug Brewer wrote:


 On Jan 8, 2007, at 10:19 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

 I did some pics at the North American International Auto Show today.
 I have a lot of pics and have only processed a few. The K10D was nice
 to work with. Shot most of it handheld with SR turned on. Great
 camera for events in indoor venues. Here's a Mustang show car. I have
 some more interesting stuff that I haven't processed, so I'll
 probably post a few more later.
 Paul
 http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5429605size=lg

 That's a very good shot, Paul.

 However, I think a Mustang should look like a Mustang. That one looks
 like a Nissan.

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Re: How does one unlock an SD card??

2007-01-09 Thread Don Williams
I often have trouble with a CF card in the reader. But in my case simply 
pulling out the USB cable for a second and plugging it back into the 
reader causes the drive to appear in a window immediately. But if the 
reader is in the PC case this may not be a practical solution.

Don

Henk Terhell wrote:
 I'm also not so sure I like the switch from CF to SD. Never had any
 problems with CF in the istD, but the first SD card (Sandisk Ultra II) I
 put on my K10D was first OK but now already refuses to be read in the PC
 disk drive. I have not mistreated it in any way (but perhaps I'm too old
 for these tiny things?). Now I have to use the PC cable to unload this
 card.

 Henk

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 On 09/01/07, John Celio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   
 Bent pins are a nightmare, because you have to support the customer 
 for something they did from not following the instructions.  It's not 
 a manufacturing defect, but the customer will usually piss and moan 
 like it is.

 I think that was a big motivating factor for the switch to SD.
 

 Just pop your SD card in your DSLR only upside down and push real hard,
 you'll find something will break but most often it's the card. I'm also
 hearing more anecdotes about dirty contacts on SD cards causing
 read/write unreliability. Nothing's fool proof.

   


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Re: PESO: Show Pony

2007-01-09 Thread Paul Stenquist
Thanks Bruce.
On Jan 9, 2007, at 2:08 AM, Bruce Dayton wrote:

 Very nice work and a very nice car!

 -- 
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 Monday, January 8, 2007, 7:19:08 PM, you wrote:

 PS I did some pics at the North American International Auto Show 
 today.
 PS I have a lot of pics and have only processed a few. The K10D was 
 nice
 PS to work with. Shot most of it handheld with SR turned on. Great
 PS camera for events in indoor venues. Here's a Mustang show car. I 
 have
 PS some more interesting stuff that I haven't processed, so I'll
 PS probably post a few more later.
 PS Paul
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Re: Sigma EF500 DG Super madness?

2007-01-09 Thread Paul Stenquist
I'm using NIMH now. I tried alkalines, but they went down too fast. I 
believe I have 2300s. They work well, but I'd still like more. The AF 
400T and Quantum Battery II spoiled me.
Paul
On Jan 9, 2007, at 4:34 AM, Henk Terhell wrote:

 What batteries are you using on the Pentax 540 something? The reason 
 I
 ask that NiMH of at least 2100 mAh work so much better than alkaline
 batteries in my Metz flash, but I'm thinking about a P-TTL unit.

 Henk
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 I had my Sigma EF 500 DG Super upgraded for the K100, because I
 figured that would make it compatible with the K10D. When my K10D
 arrived, I mounted the Sigma and fired away. It died. Completely. No
 flash. I'm going to send it to them, but I'm not hopeful. I needed a
 flash, so I bought the Pentax equivelant, the 540 something. It works
 well, but goes through batteries in a hurry. I thought I read that
 Pentax was going to release a remote battery hookup for this flash.
 Hope so. In the meantime, I also use my AF400T with my remote Battery
 II. On autoflash it works just fine.
 Paul
 On Jan 7, 2007, at 7:38 PM, David J Brooks wrote:

 Quoting Doug Franklin [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Dario Bonazza wrote:

 The flash fired every time [on the K10D] (clearly visible in
 viewfinder), but synch timing was obviously off.

 That's the same thing I saw when I tested it on my K10D, too.  I
 worked
 great with the *ist D the last time I used it, but I didn't retest it
 after putting in on the K10D.  I'm sure hoping they come up with a
 firmware update like they did for the K100D.  If they don't, it'll be
 the last Sigma product I buy.

 I hear ya Doug

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Re: OT Question (was Re: OT Is returning a phone message really that complicated)

2007-01-09 Thread Bob Shell

On Jan 8, 2007, at 9:02 PM, SJ wrote:

 like adam said, 'z' is the american usage...


But we don't advertize that fact.

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Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-09 Thread Bob Shell

On Jan 8, 2007, at 6:06 PM, William Robb wrote:

 Therin lies the problem. The Bushites have cost your country more  
 than you
 could ever begin to imagine.

I've got a pretty good imagination.

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Re: PESO - Eagle And Flag

2007-01-09 Thread Bob Shell

On Jan 8, 2007, at 11:16 PM, Mark Cassino wrote:

 A little gaussian blur on the flag,
 knock the two images together, viola... (Um - pardon the French.)

U, Italian?

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Re: OT: How many mobile phones have you destroyed?

2007-01-09 Thread keith_w
Cotty wrote:
 On 8/1/07, Russell Kerstetter, discombobulated, unleashed:
 
 my wife had a motorola razr (sp?), one day she took a bath, and then
 so did it.

 Which begs a difficult question.
 

I was afraid to ask...

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Re: How does one unlock an SD card??

2007-01-09 Thread jim
At my work, they bought a digital camera around 2000, a 3 Mp point and shoot 
thing but it was an up market one with hot shoe flash.
Cannot remember the brand now.
it uses i think a CF card or something like it, not little pins.
It cannot be used any more because of the repeated times the card has been 
pulled, the contacts in the camera are worn out (maybe dirty?)
Cannot use usb with this camera cause it is RS232 so getting pics is 
sloow. hence pulling card out.

hope same doesn't  happen with other camers that use CF and connectors like it.

James




 I think that was a big motivating factor for the switch to SD.

Just pop your SD card in your DSLR only upside down and push real
hard, you'll find something will break but most often it's the card.
I'm also hearing more anecdotes about dirty contacts on SD cards
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RE: How does one unlock an SD card??

2007-01-09 Thread Henk Terhell
My CF/SD reader is indeed in the PC case. Meanwhile I discovered that
another SD card won't be read by this. Time to get an an external USB
reader.

Henk

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I often have trouble with a CF card in the reader. But in my case simply

pulling out the USB cable for a second and plugging it back into the 
reader causes the drive to appear in a window immediately. But if the 
reader is in the PC case this may not be a practical solution.

Don

Henk Terhell wrote:
 I'm also not so sure I like the switch from CF to SD. Never had any 
 problems with CF in the istD, but the first SD card (Sandisk Ultra II)

 I put on my K10D was first OK but now already refuses to be read in 
 the PC disk drive. I have not mistreated it in any way (but perhaps 
 I'm too old for these tiny things?). Now I have to use the PC cable to

 unload this card.

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Re: OT Question (was Re: OT Is returning a phone message reallythat complicated)

2007-01-09 Thread Don Williams
There is nothing wrong with US English spelling; or UK English spelling 
either. But while US spelling may be more sensible, US spoken English is 
sometimes strange. Extra words thrown in where they are not needed and 
words left out where they are. An example  off of  and  out the door 
 -- or window perhaps. Also  I  where it should be  me . But the 
spelling is fine. However some differences need to be learned: elevator 
for lift; subway for underground; and many others. I use US spelling 
(when I remember) for PDML because most of the members are US English 
speakers. I recall writing something like this not so long ago.

If you want to hear examples of good US English don't listen to G W 
Bush. Without a script he'd be hopeless.
Oh yes ... another one that drives me crazy is  For free  meaning  
Free  or  No charge  or  Gratis .

Don (NPP)



Bob W wrote:
 they are both acceptable in British English. American English seems to
 be more restrictive in this instance.

 I think the Z spelling has been in British English for centuries (I'd
 have to check this to be sure).

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 Subject: Re: OT Question (was Re: OT Is returning a phone 
 message reallythat complicated)

 On 1/08/07 6:21 PM, Doug Franklin, 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 But if S is correct, then I have to mind to switch to S.
 
 Both are correct, though the folks that use the other way 
   
 are likely to
 
 look at you funny if you spell it one way.
   
 Actually, this was what concerned me.  I have no problem with 
 U.K. English
 used here in Canada as that's what I learned in school 
 (colour and centre
 etc, you know) but for some reason, I was always using Z 
 spelling for
 those words even though I was generally aware that Z is 
 usually used in
 U.S. English.  That was making me wondering how come I was 
 always using Z.
 When I saw S spelling, I did find it was funny and did not 
 quite feel
 right.  This is actually only area where my distinction 
 between U.K and U.S.
 English was fuzzy.
 I certainly wish to use correct spelling but this is 
 probably not a matter
 of correctness per se.  So, until I feel comfortable, I 
 intend to continue
 my usual practice.
 But thank you for your help, everybody.

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Re: OT: How many mobile phones have you destroyed?

2007-01-09 Thread Russell Kerstetter
she bathes once or twice a year whether whe needs it or not :)

russ

On 1/9/07, keith_w [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Cotty wrote:
  On 8/1/07, Russell Kerstetter, discombobulated, unleashed:
 
  my wife had a motorola razr (sp?), one day she took a bath, and then
  so did it.

  Which begs a difficult question.
 

 I was afraid to ask...

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Re: OT Is returning a phone message really that complicated

2007-01-09 Thread Bob Sullivan
The best I heard is registering the phone in the dog's name.  They
knew immediately when it was a telemarketer.
Regards,  Bob S.

On 1/8/07, David Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Jan 8, 2007, at 7:30 PM, Digital Image Studio wrote:

  Same here, often Mrs Smiths from New Delhi :-(

 Our phone line is listed in my partner's name and we occasionally
 receive telemarketing calls for a Mister with her surname (which they
 always pronounce wrong).  I can tell them with a clear conscience
 that that person doesn't live here :)

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Re: PESO: Show Pony

2007-01-09 Thread Adam Maas
Doug Brewer wrote:
 On Jan 8, 2007, at 10:19 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
 
 I did some pics at the North American International Auto Show today.
 I have a lot of pics and have only processed a few. The K10D was nice
 to work with. Shot most of it handheld with SR turned on. Great
 camera for events in indoor venues. Here's a Mustang show car. I have
 some more interesting stuff that I haven't processed, so I'll
 probably post a few more later.
 Paul
 http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5429605size=lg
 
 That's a very good shot, Paul.
 
 However, I think a Mustang should look like a Mustang. That one looks  
 like a Nissan.
 
 Doug Brewer
 http://www.drivingtheflies.com
 

Nah, definitely not a Nissan. They're much better looking (Especially 
the upcoming GT-R)

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Re: Sigma EF500 DG Super madness?

2007-01-09 Thread Doug Franklin
Henk Terhell wrote:
 What batteries are you using on the Pentax 540 something? The reason I
 ask that NiMH of at least 2100 mAh work so much better than alkaline
 batteries in my Metz flash, but I'm thinking about a P-TTL unit.

I use NiMH batteries of either 2200 or 2500 mAh capacity.  Can't
remember the brand off the top of my head.  I'll have to check the
camera bag to see what they are.

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Re: PESO - American Fence (the process of creativty)

2007-01-09 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Isn't a fence a still life?

There's always a tripod in my car, but it's not used too often.

Shel



 [Original Message]
 From: DagT

 It depends on how you photograph.  
For me the triopd always gets in the way.  
I like to move freely, to change angles and 
to follow the subject, even in a studio or 
using medium format.  So the only times 
I use the tripod is for still life. I never carry 
it around.

 
  Fra: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Dato: 2007/01/09 Tue AM 02:25:11 CET
  Til: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
  Emne: Re: PESO - American Fence (the process of creativty)
  
  Well, Ken, in both cases the tripod provides better results.  It's the
  misuse of the tripod, or not using it in the best manner, that can
  contribute to lesser results.  But, the results you're talking about are
  aesthetic, not technical.  And even by using the camera/tripod as you
  suggest, aesthetic results can be crap
  
  Shel
  
  
  
   [Original Message]
   From: Kenneth Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
   Date: 1/8/2007 12:44:26 PM
   Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence (the process of creativty)
  
So, the short answer is, regardless of shutter speed, using a
tripod can
help achieve better results.
  
   Agreed, but I've also seen it hinder better results.
  
   I've seen photogs approach a subject with the camera already tripod
  mounted, 
   legs extended  simply set up  snap away. In these cases the tripod
is 
   preventing full exploration of the photographic opportunities.
  
   I was taught when using a tripod, to view the subject thru an
unmounted 
   camera, @ various perspectives  only when I arrived at the desired
scene
  to 
   then bring the tripod into use  set it up to capture that view.
  
   Kenneth Waller
   - Original Message - 
   From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence (the process of creativty)
  
  
Hi Boris,
   
To answer your question, there are a few reasons, or maybe several
variations on the same reason.  First, a tripod is always more
stable
  than
hand held, and since this shot didn't need quick reflexes, and it
was
  easy
to set up the t'pod, why not go for as high a quality as I could
get. 
  The
other thing I noticed is that, as I've gotten older, I sometimes
move
forward and back, usually very imperceptibly - in fact, it's more
of a
feeling that I'm moving than actually observing it - and the tripod
  keeps
the camera in the same plane, or the same precise distance, from the
subject, reducing focusing errors.  Further, the use of the t'pod
  allows 
me
to more carefully frame the shot, avoiding slight tilts that
sometimes
occur when shooting hand held and giving me the freedom to frame
more
accurately.  It also allows better use of  mirror prefire or
bracketing.
   
So, the short answer is, regardless of shutter speed, using a
tripod can
help achieve better results.



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Re: PESO - American Fence (the process of creativty)

2007-01-09 Thread DagT
Yes, you are right in a way .-)

But I still do not carry a tripod or have it in my car (I seldom use our car 
anyway).

In your picture the tripod suits the way you photographed it which in turn 
suits the subject (sorry, I haven't commented on it before). 

I would probably have solved it differently, perhaps with a little stealth 
trying to get a person into the picture (not necessarily making a better 
picture), and then the tripod would not have been of any use.  It depends on 
how we like to work, and being an amateur I am free to do exactly that.

A couple of my pictures have been compared to Franks, and I don't think he uses 
a tripod either .-)

DagT
 
 Fra: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 Isn't a fence a still life?
 
 There's always a tripod in my car, but it's not used too often.
 
 Shel
 
 
 
  [Original Message]
  From: DagT
 
  It depends on how you photograph.  
 For me the triopd always gets in the way.  
 I like to move freely, to change angles and 
 to follow the subject, even in a studio or 
 using medium format.  So the only times 
 I use the tripod is for still life. I never carry 
 it around.
 
  
   Fra: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Dato: 2007/01/09 Tue AM 02:25:11 CET
   Til: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
   Emne: Re: PESO - American Fence (the process of creativty)
   
   Well, Ken, in both cases the tripod provides better results.  It's the
   misuse of the tripod, or not using it in the best manner, that can
   contribute to lesser results.  But, the results you're talking about are
   aesthetic, not technical.  And even by using the camera/tripod as you
   suggest, aesthetic results can be crap
   
   Shel
   
   
   
[Original Message]
From: Kenneth Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
Date: 1/8/2007 12:44:26 PM
Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence (the process of creativty)
   
 So, the short answer is, regardless of shutter speed, using a
 tripod can
 help achieve better results.
   
Agreed, but I've also seen it hinder better results.
   
I've seen photogs approach a subject with the camera already tripod
   mounted, 
legs extended  simply set up  snap away. In these cases the tripod
 is 
preventing full exploration of the photographic opportunities.
   
I was taught when using a tripod, to view the subject thru an
 unmounted 
camera, @ various perspectives  only when I arrived at the desired
 scene
   to 
then bring the tripod into use  set it up to capture that view.
   
Kenneth Waller
- Original Message - 
From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence (the process of creativty)
   
   
 Hi Boris,

 To answer your question, there are a few reasons, or maybe several
 variations on the same reason.  First, a tripod is always more
 stable
   than
 hand held, and since this shot didn't need quick reflexes, and it
 was
   easy
 to set up the t'pod, why not go for as high a quality as I could
 get. 
   The
 other thing I noticed is that, as I've gotten older, I sometimes
 move
 forward and back, usually very imperceptibly - in fact, it's more
 of a
 feeling that I'm moving than actually observing it - and the tripod
   keeps
 the camera in the same plane, or the same precise distance, from the
 subject, reducing focusing errors.  Further, the use of the t'pod
   allows 
 me
 to more carefully frame the shot, avoiding slight tilts that
 sometimes
 occur when shooting hand held and giving me the freedom to frame
 more
 accurately.  It also allows better use of  mirror prefire or
 bracketing.

 So, the short answer is, regardless of shutter speed, using a
 tripod can
 help achieve better results.
 
 
 
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Re: OT Is returning a phone message really that complicated

2007-01-09 Thread Mark Roberts
Bob Shell wrote:

I registered my home phone in a totally fictitious name.  Anyone who  
asks for that person only hears the click as I hang up.

A friend of mine always did that. He used the name Noah Vail ;-)


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RE: PESO - Eagle And Flag

2007-01-09 Thread Shel Belinkoff
I like it - being a patriotic left-wing American, this positively sings to
me, kitsch or not LOL

There are numerous instances in which the flag is shown with the stars on
the right.  Take a look at any vehicle - including military vehicles and
planes - that has a flag painted on both sides ... 

Shel



 [Original Message]
 From: Mark Cassino 

 Not a shot of found objects, I made this:

 http://www.markcassino.com/temp/flag.jpg

 I was surprised that it sold, because there 
 are pretty stong conventions that the stars 
 must be on the left.



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Re: PESO: Show Pony

2007-01-09 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Looks like a Mustang to me ... a very nice one, at that.

Shel



 [Original Message]
 From: Paul Stenquist 

 Thanks Doug. I think it has Mustang lines front and rear, although as a 
 styling exercise, it's an exaggeration.
 Paul
 On Jan 9, 2007, at 12:18 AM, Doug Brewer wrote:

 
  On Jan 8, 2007, at 10:19 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
 
  I did some pics at the North American International Auto Show today.
  I have a lot of pics and have only processed a few. The K10D was nice
  to work with. Shot most of it handheld with SR turned on. Great
  camera for events in indoor venues. Here's a Mustang show car. I have
  some more interesting stuff that I haven't processed, so I'll
  probably post a few more later.
  Paul
  http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5429605size=lg
 
  That's a very good shot, Paul.
 
  However, I think a Mustang should look like a Mustang. That one looks
  like a Nissan.
 
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RE: PESO - Man's Intrusion

2007-01-09 Thread Shel Belinkoff
I think I understand what you're trying to do with this one, but, imo, it
misses the mark (as i see the mark to be).  I believe the photo could be
stronger with a different (or even non-existent) title, as the title has
led me to some expectations.  It's nicely done from a technical point,
that's for certain.

Shel



 [Original Message]
 From: Bruce Dayton 

 http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_4227.htm



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Re: OT Is returning a phone message really that complicated

2007-01-09 Thread Bob Shell

On Jan 9, 2007, at 8:18 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote:

 The best I heard is registering the phone in the dog's name.  They
 knew immediately when it was a telemarketer.

I registered my home phone in a totally fictitious name.  Anyone who  
asks for that person only hears the click as I hang up.

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Re: Finally got my K10D. but..........

2007-01-09 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Jan 9, 2007, at 1:09 AM, Thibouille wrote:
 Strange how we almost never hear of that kind fo problem with
 Tokina/Tamron/Cosina etc. 3rd party lenses. Really strange, no?
 Of course, Sigma sells a lot more lens too.

Sigma is simply the worst when it comes to quality.
And they have a huge marketing budget.

Buy Pentax lenses. They're better performers, 99.9% of the time  
anyway. The Pentax FA24-90/3.5-4.5 AL would be an excellent choice  
for a lens in this focal length range.

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Re: PESO: Show Pony

2007-01-09 Thread Mark Roberts
Doug Brewer wrote:

However, I think a Mustang should look like a Mustang. That one 
looks like a Nissan.

Give it a couple of years - by then Mustangs may *be* Nissans or 
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Re: How does one unlock an SD card??

2007-01-09 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi

On Jan 8, 2007, at 11:29 PM, Digital Image Studio wrote:

 Just pop your SD card in your DSLR only upside down and push real
 hard, you'll find something will break but most often it's the card.
 I'm also hearing more anecdotes about dirty contacts on SD cards
 causing read/write unreliability. Nothing's fool proof.

My real world experience with both formats (40,000 exposures on CF  
cards, 60,000 exposures on SD cards) is that both work fine in my  
hands. But I much prefer the SD cards for their size, ease of getting  
in and out of the camera and reader.

I have had ZERO problem SD cards, and ONE problem CF card.

SD card contacts are a broad, self-wiping design, and easy to clean,  
so dirt on them is much less of an issue than a bent pin in a CF card  
cage.

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Re: GFM: Nature Photography Weekend reminder - ONLY 10 DAYS TO GO

2007-01-09 Thread Mark Roberts
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Ahhh, the life of a nomad,

I thought you were a Sherpa?


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Re: OT Question (was Re: OT Is returning a phone message reallythatcomplicated)

2007-01-09 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Those examples are  not American English.  Those are examples of
incorrect American English, of people not knowing correct English grammar. 
I'm sure there are people in every country that misspeak their language,
use slang, jargon, or speak in the vernacular.


Shel



 [Original Message]
 From: Don Williams 

 There is nothing wrong with US English spelling; or UK English spelling 
 either. But while US spelling may be more sensible, US spoken English is 
 sometimes strange. Extra words thrown in where they are not needed and 
 words left out where they are. An example  off of  and  out the door 
  -- or window perhaps. Also  I  where it should be  me . But the 
 spelling is fine. However some differences need to be learned: elevator 
 for lift; subway for underground; and many others. I use US spelling 
 (when I remember) for PDML because most of the members are US English 
 speakers. I recall writing something like this not so long ago.

 If you want to hear examples of good US English don't listen to G W 
 Bush. Without a script he'd be hopeless.
 Oh yes ... another one that drives me crazy is  For free  meaning  
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Re: PESO - Man's Intrusion

2007-01-09 Thread K.Takeshita
On 1/09/07 8:55 AM, Shel Belinkoff, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I think I understand what you're trying to do with this one, but, imo, it
 misses the mark (as i see the mark to be).  I believe the photo could be
 stronger with a different (or even non-existent) title, as the title has
 led me to some expectations.  It's nicely done from a technical point,
 that's for certain.
 
 Shel
 
 
 
 [Original Message]
 From: Bruce Dayton
 
 http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_4227.htm

I think the title is creative, otherwise, it is just an ordinary sight,
technical excellence aside.
But that's a lot of piles !  They could have done it a better way without
crowding the place.

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Re: How does one unlock an SD card??

2007-01-09 Thread K.Takeshita
On 1/09/07 9:17 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 a bent pin in a CF card cage.

As a person who experienced this (I was always careful in making sure that
CF card was pushed in proper orientation and straight), it was such a relief
when I saw sliding contacts of SD cards.

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Re: Finally got my K10D. but..........

2007-01-09 Thread John Celio
 Strange how we almost never hear of that kind fo problem with
 Tokina/Tamron/Cosina etc. 3rd party lenses. Really strange, no?
 Of course, Sigma sells a lot more lens too.

I'm pretty sure those other companies pay for the rights to make their 
lenses compatible, which would mean they're given whatever compatibility 
information they need.  I could be wrong, but it makes sense.

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Re: How does one unlock an SD card??

2007-01-09 Thread John Celio
 Just pop your SD card in your DSLR only upside down and push real
 hard, you'll find something will break but most often it's the card.
 I'm also hearing more anecdotes about dirty contacts on SD cards
 causing read/write unreliability. Nothing's fool proof.

True, but it's vastly easier to bend the pins in a CF slot and *not even 
know it*.

I remember one lady at the store who put the card in upside down, put light 
pressure on it only for an instant, noticed it wasn't moving, and then tried 
it the proper way.  One of the pins was bent just from that.

If you look closely at the pins in a CF slot, you'll see that a few are 
longer than others.  They're always the first to go, and it only takes one 
to ruin your day.

The one that almost made me laugh in someone's face was the old woman who 
saw the little arrow on the CF card and thought it was supposed to be 
pointing up, instead of into the card slot.  Every single pin in the slot 
was flat.  She had been so sure of herself, she took a small rubber mallot 
to the card to try to get it to stay in.

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Re: PESO - American Fence (the process of creativty)

2007-01-09 Thread Shel Belinkoff
BTW, what's there to solve?  The photo is exactly the way I wanted it to
be.

Shel



 [Original Message]
 From: DagT 

 I would probably have solved it differently, 
 perhaps with a little stealth 

 http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/amfence.html



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Re: Ford and Microsoft go wireless

2007-01-09 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
The Prius with the JBL stereo option (included in the 2006 models  
starting with option package #3, I think; I have option package #6)  
has the hands-free option built in. It connected with the Treo 650  
instantly.

The in-car address book, speed dial and voice phone control is  
managed manually, independent of the phone. A bit of work to set up,  
but it allows me to put the 10-15 numbers I want to have access to  
quickly into the car explicitly and nothing else. If I need to call a  
number not in the system, I activate it on the Treo directly and it  
automatically connects with the hands-free system for the rest of the  
usage.

The only two package options on the Prius above #6 were first the  
navigation system and then the leather seats. I decided to save the  
money ... GPS would be nice but I'm not willing to part with $1500  
for it: it's not that important to me. A hand-held would be more  
useful, when I need one.

Godfrey

 I can't use my (Bluetooth) Treo 700w with my (Bluetooth) BMW Z4, even
 though the BMW supposedly offers full integration - sound through the
 car audio speakers, and a microphone on the steering column.  That's
 because the car wants to know the contents of the phone book (so it
 can identify an incoming call on the in-car display, etc.).  But it
 expects phone numbers to consist of just the digits 0-9.   
 Unfortunately
 the Treo is a Windows Mobile 5 device, and uses Outlook Mobile as the
 contact manager.  This displays phone numbers formatted for human  
 eyes
 complete with parentheses and hyphens. This upsets the car, and so it
 drops the Bluetooth connection :-(


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Re: PESO - American Fence (the process of creativty)

2007-01-09 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Putting a person in the picture would defeat the original intention of
making the photograph in the first place. In any case, there were no people
around.  The fence is  in a neighborhood where there's not much street
activity to begin with, and there's even less on the day of the week that I
made the photo.  I could probably hang around for a couple of hours and not
see a person on that street.  Plus, the photo had to be taken at a certain
time of the day, otherwise the light would not be right and there would be
various shadows to deal with. At that time of day there's even less street
activity in the area, not to mention that particular street.

As for the use of a car, we live in different environments.  Public
transportation is very poor here, and unless one lives very close to
shopping and stores, it can be difficult and quite time consuming to walk
to such places.  There are lots of hills here as well, so even for the fit
and healthy, it can be a half-day affair to bring home a bottle of milk.

Shel



 [Original Message]
 From: DagT 

 Yes, you are right in a way .-)

 But I still do not carry a tripod or have it in my car (I seldom use our
car anyway).

 In your picture the tripod suits the way you photographed it which in
turn suits the subject (sorry, I haven't commented on it before). 

 I would probably have solved it differently, perhaps with a little
stealth trying to get a person into the picture (not necessarily making a
better picture), and then the tripod would not have been of any use.  It
depends on how we like to work, and being an amateur I am free to do
exactly that.

 A couple of my pictures have been compared to Franks, and I don't think
he uses a tripod either .-)

 DagT
  
  Fra: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  
  Isn't a fence a still life?
  
  There's always a tripod in my car, but it's not used too often.
  
  Shel
  
  
  
   [Original Message]
   From: DagT
  
   It depends on how you photograph.  
  For me the triopd always gets in the way.  
  I like to move freely, to change angles and 
  to follow the subject, even in a studio or 
  using medium format.  So the only times 
  I use the tripod is for still life. I never carry 
  it around.
  
   
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Emne: Re: PESO - American Fence (the process of creativty)

Well, Ken, in both cases the tripod provides better results.  It's
the
misuse of the tripod, or not using it in the best manner, that can
contribute to lesser results.  But, the results you're talking
about are
aesthetic, not technical.  And even by using the camera/tripod as
you
suggest, aesthetic results can be crap

Shel



 [Original Message]
 From: Kenneth Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 Date: 1/8/2007 12:44:26 PM
 Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence (the process of creativty)

  So, the short answer is, regardless of shutter speed, using a
  tripod can
  help achieve better results.

 Agreed, but I've also seen it hinder better results.

 I've seen photogs approach a subject with the camera already
tripod
mounted, 
 legs extended  simply set up  snap away. In these cases the
tripod
  is 
 preventing full exploration of the photographic opportunities.

 I was taught when using a tripod, to view the subject thru an
  unmounted 
 camera, @ various perspectives  only when I arrived at the
desired
  scene
to 
 then bring the tripod into use  set it up to capture that view.

 Kenneth Waller
 - Original Message - 
 From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence (the process of creativty)


  Hi Boris,
 
  To answer your question, there are a few reasons, or maybe
several
  variations on the same reason.  First, a tripod is always more
  stable
than
  hand held, and since this shot didn't need quick reflexes, and
it
  was
easy
  to set up the t'pod, why not go for as high a quality as I could
  get. 
The
  other thing I noticed is that, as I've gotten older, I sometimes
  move
  forward and back, usually very imperceptibly - in fact, it's
more
  of a
  feeling that I'm moving than actually observing it - and the
tripod
keeps
  the camera in the same plane, or the same precise distance,
from the
  subject, reducing focusing errors.  Further, the use of the
t'pod
allows 
  me
  to more carefully frame the shot, avoiding slight tilts that
  sometimes
  occur when shooting hand held and giving me the freedom to frame
  more
  accurately.  It also allows better use of  mirror prefire or
  bracketing.
 
  So, the short answer is, regardless of shutter speed, using a
  tripod can
  help achieve better results.
  
  
  
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Re: PESO: Show Pony

2007-01-09 Thread K.Takeshita
On 1/09/07 9:15 AM, Mark Roberts, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 However, I think a Mustang should look like a Mustang. That one
 looks like a Nissan.
 
 Give it a couple of years - by then Mustangs may *be* Nissans or
 Toyotas. ;-)

U, that would be a tragedy.
When I first visited U.S. years ago, the first thing I did at the airport
was to designate Mustang at the rent-a-car counter.  That was an early 70's
muscle Mustang.  A dream by a young Japanese to drive an American muscle
car!

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Re: How does one unlock an SD card??

2007-01-09 Thread Shel Belinkoff
How did you test reliability?

Shel



 [Original Message]
 From: Godfrey DiGiorgi

 I recommend the Sandisk ImageMate 12-in-1 USB 2.0 reader. I tested  
 about six different readers, and this was the fastest, and most  
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Re: How does one unlock an SD card??

2007-01-09 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Yes, most likely a bad SD reader in your computer.

I recommend the Sandisk ImageMate 12-in-1 USB 2.0 reader. I tested  
about six different readers, and this was the fastest, and most  
reliable by far.

Godfrey

On Jan 9, 2007, at 3:55 AM, Henk Terhell wrote:

 My CF/SD reader is indeed in the PC case. Meanwhile I discovered that
 another SD card won't be read by this. Time to get an an external USB
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Re: How does one unlock an SD card??

2007-01-09 Thread Digital Image Studio
On 09/01/07, Henk Terhell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 My CF/SD reader is indeed in the PC case. Meanwhile I discovered that
 another SD card won't be read by this. Time to get an an external USB
 reader.

I also found that my integrated card reader that has for at least
three years read my 2GB CF and 4GB Microdrives will not read my new
Sandisk Extreme III SD cards, Ultra II SD cards read fine though.


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Re: OT Question (was Re: OT Is returning a phone message reallythatcomplicated)

2007-01-09 Thread mike wilson

 
 From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 2007/01/09 Tue PM 02:14:24 GMT
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Subject: Re: OT Question (was Re: OT Is returning a phone message
   reallythatcomplicated)
 
 Those examples are  not American English.  Those are examples of
 incorrect American English, of people not knowing correct English grammar. 
 I'm sure there are people in every country that misspeak their language,
 use slang, jargon, or speak in the vernacular.

What about the use of would have for had?  As in, If I would have written 
it properly, nobody could have been offended.  Correct US use?  It sounds 
diabolical to me. 
8-)


  [Original Message]
  From: Don Williams 
 
  There is nothing wrong with US English spelling; or UK English spelling 
  either. But while US spelling may be more sensible, US spoken English is 
  sometimes strange. Extra words thrown in where they are not needed and 
  words left out where they are. An example  off of  and  out the door 
   -- or window perhaps. Also  I  where it should be  me . But the 
  spelling is fine. However some differences need to be learned: elevator 
  for lift; subway for underground; and many others. I use US spelling 
  (when I remember) for PDML because most of the members are US English 
  speakers. I recall writing something like this not so long ago.
 
  If you want to hear examples of good US English don't listen to G W 
  Bush. Without a script he'd be hopeless.
  Oh yes ... another one that drives me crazy is  For free  meaning  
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Re: OT Is returning a phone message really that complicated

2007-01-09 Thread Digital Image Studio
On 10/01/07, Bob Shell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I registered my home phone in a totally fictitious name.  Anyone who
 asks for that person only hears the click as I hang up.

Amazing, even to obtain a pay-as-you-go SIM card you have to provide
approved photo ID such as a drivers license in Oz.

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Re: How does one unlock an SD card??

2007-01-09 Thread Thibouille
 The one that almost made me laugh in someone's face was the old woman who
 saw the little arrow on the CF card and thought it was supposed to be
 pointing up, instead of into the card slot.  Every single pin in the slot
 was flat.  She had been so sure of herself, she took a small rubber mallot
 to the card to try to get it to stay in.

 John

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Re: Finally got my K10D. but..........

2007-01-09 Thread Thibouille
I'm not sure for other brands but my retailer (which is Pentax
fan/collector and usually reliable) says Sigma defenitely does
reverse-engeneering.

He does also notice that whatever the mount (even for Canon etc.), he
has a way higher number of returns/warranty repairs with Sigma stuff.
He says the importer/Sigma does certify their stuff is compatible with
cameras on the market when the Sigma product is out.

If it doesn't work with a future product and your Sigma product is out
of warranty, then basicaly you're screwed and Sigma will not take care
of it.


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Re: How does one unlock an SD card??

2007-01-09 Thread Thibouille
That said, in a properly designed CF slot (most card readers are not)
but like the ist-D, I really can't imagine someone damaging the
pins... did someone from PDML managed to damage any ? ;)

2007/1/9, K.Takeshita [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 On 1/09/07 9:17 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  a bent pin in a CF card cage.

 As a person who experienced this (I was always careful in making sure that
 CF card was pushed in proper orientation and straight), it was such a relief
 when I saw sliding contacts of SD cards.

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Re: OT Question (was Re: OT Is returning a phone message really that complicated)

2007-01-09 Thread Christian
keith_w wrote:

 
 On the other hand, you say, Correct Canadian usage is UK English...
 Do you know who made that so?

Is the Queen on their money?  There's your answer. :-)

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Re: How does one unlock an SD card??

2007-01-09 Thread Thibouille
My Little USB reader reads happily my 4GB Microdrive but noticed my
1GB Sandisk Ultra2+ (which is SD/USB combo card... very handy) will
not be read by the USB reader in SD card mode.
However the SD reader in my IBM thinkpad reads it pretty well (but slowly).

2007/1/9, Digital Image Studio [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 On 09/01/07, Henk Terhell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  My CF/SD reader is indeed in the PC case. Meanwhile I discovered that
  another SD card won't be read by this. Time to get an an external USB
  reader.

 I also found that my integrated card reader that has for at least
 three years read my 2GB CF and 4GB Microdrives will not read my new
 Sandisk Extreme III SD cards, Ultra II SD cards read fine though.


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Re: OT Question (was Re: OT Is returning a phone message really that complicated)

2007-01-09 Thread Thibouille
I think those are nice example but they do not generate any buzz in my brain.

Variations like Elevator/Lift are more notable and Through / Thru is
like touching Reset button of my computer. Same with Night/Nite ... I
feel like those american spellings jumping into my eyes and making fun
of me ;)

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Re: Ford and Microsoft go wireless

2007-01-09 Thread Mark Roberts
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

The in-car address book, speed dial and voice phone control is  
managed manually, independent of the phone. A bit of work to set up,  
but it allows me to put the 10-15 numbers I want to have access to  
quickly into the car explicitly and nothing else. If I need to call a  
number not in the system, I activate it on the Treo directly and it  
automatically connects with the hands-free system for the rest of the  
usage.

When I'm in my car and need to send a message, I pull over, build a 
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Re: Ford and Microsoft go wireless

2007-01-09 Thread Scott Loveless
On 1/8/07, Kenneth Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Kenneth Waller
 I discovered that in the USA, you get to
  order every additional item that you want over and above the stock
  vehicle.

 I don't know about other vehicles but with Ford, most options are combined
 in various packages,with a few being stand alone options. It helps in
 design, supply  on the assembly line with complexity

 With my Boxster, most functional options were stand alone.

That is most definitely the case with Ford these days.  In 2000 we
purchased a Mazda (Ford) Protege.  Christie insisted on anti-lock
brakes and side curtain air bags.  Apparently, these safety features
don't work properly without a sun roof, bigger engine, larger wheels
and an upgraded stereo.  Oh, well.

Ordering cars with specific options instead of packages used to be
common.  With today's promotions (special financing, rebates, etc.),
there is always a disclaimer.  Must take delivery from dealer stock
or some such.  When we lived in Heidelberg during the mid-80s my Dad
ordered an 85 Ford LTD from the States.  He specified exactly what he
wanted on the car.  Six months later, in 86,  we received a car that
wasn't quite what he ordered.  (Mom wanted to buy a Volvo locally, but
Dad wouldn't have any of that.)  Two weeks later, doing about 60mph on
the Autobahn (because the POS wouldn't go much faster than that) the
crankshaft came apart.  It sat at a local Ford dealer for about two
months while they waited on a replacement engine.

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Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-09 Thread David Savage
At 12:15 AM 10/01/2007, Christian  wrote:
David Savage wrote:
  Depends which flag  where the fence or building is located.
 
  I imagine the Confederate flag in a minority neighbourhood would be
  considered disrespectful.

How about flying over the capitol building of a State?  (especially when
that capital was the capital of the Confederate States? (I really don't
understand Virginia... and I work there)

Maybe they're still in denial?

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Re: PESO: Show Pony

2007-01-09 Thread Christian
Paul Stenquist wrote:
 I did some pics at the North American International Auto Show today.  
 I have a lot of pics and have only processed a few. The K10D was nice  
 to work with. Shot most of it handheld with SR turned on. Great  
 camera for events in indoor venues. Here's a Mustang show car. I have  
 some more interesting stuff that I haven't processed, so I'll  
 probably post a few more later.
 Paul
 http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5429605size=lg
 

Nice car! (Ford guy here).  Hey Paul, I've noticed a lot of oranges, 
coppers and metallic browns in car colors these days, especially at auto 
shows.  what do you make of this trend?

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Re: Re: PESO - American Fence (the process of creativty)

2007-01-09 Thread DagT
I know, I didn't say that what I would do would be any better.  It was just to 
illustrate that we work in different ways.  

I see why you made your picture as it is, and I like it even if I would have 
done something else.  I admire a lot of photographers even if Il'll never try 
to copy their work.

DagT
 
 Fra: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Dato: 2007/01/09 Tue PM 03:33:23 CET
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 Emne: Re: PESO - American Fence (the process of creativty)
 
 BTW, what's there to solve?  The photo is exactly the way I wanted it to
 be.
 
 Shel
 
 
 
  [Original Message]
  From: DagT 
 
  I would probably have solved it differently, 
  perhaps with a little stealth 
 
  http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/amfence.html
 
 
 
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Re: OT Question (was Re: OT Is returning a phone message reallythatcomplicated)

2007-01-09 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi

On Jan 9, 2007, at 6:46 AM, mike wilson wrote:



 From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 2007/01/09 Tue PM 02:14:24 GMT
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Subject: Re: OT Question (was Re: OT Is returning a phone message
  reallythatcomplicated)

 Those examples are  not American English.  Those are examples of
 incorrect American English, of people not knowing correct English  
 grammar.
 I'm sure there are people in every country that misspeak their  
 language,
 use slang, jargon, or speak in the vernacular.

 What about the use of would have for had?  As in, If I would  
 have written it properly, nobody could have been offended.   
 Correct US use?  It sounds diabolical to me.
 8-)

It's a colloquialism or vernacular in US English. (I'm not a  
linguist, the distinction is a little vague to me.) Understood and  
acceptable in casual conversation but not seen in written prose or  
formal 'correct' speech.

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Re: PESO - American Fence

2007-01-09 Thread Christian
David Savage wrote:
 Depends which flag  where the fence or building is located.
 
 I imagine the Confederate flag in a minority neighbourhood would be
 considered disrespectful.

How about flying over the capitol building of a State?  (especially when 
that capital was the capital of the Confederate States? (I really don't 
understand Virginia... and I work there)

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Re: OT Question (was Re: OT Is returning a phone message really that complicated)

2007-01-09 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Neither nite nor thru are correct for formal prose use. They're  
alternative spellings based on US English sound correlates, usually  
used for signage contraction, to save space and/or draw attention  
*because* they are 'wrong' and thus acceptable because they get the  
message across.

Godfrey



On Jan 9, 2007, at 7:07 AM, Thibouille wrote:

 I think those are nice example but they do not generate any buzz in  
 my brain.

 Variations like Elevator/Lift are more notable and Through / Thru is
 like touching Reset button of my computer. Same with Night/Nite ... I
 feel like those american spellings jumping into my eyes and making fun
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Re: How does one unlock an SD card??

2007-01-09 Thread K.Takeshita
On 1/09/07 10:03 AM, Thibouille, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 That said, in a properly designed CF slot (most card readers are not)
 but like the ist-D, I really can't imagine someone damaging the
 pins... did someone from PDML managed to damage any ? ;)

In my case, it was a dark side G3 which I already sold off.  It was really
like a freak accident.  There had been no problem (G3 BTW was a decent PS)
for a long time, and just one day..

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Re: OT Question (was Re: OT Is returning a phone message reallythatcomplicated)

2007-01-09 Thread K.Takeshita
On 1/09/07 10:30 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 What about the use of would have for had?  As in, If I would
 have written it properly, nobody could have been offended.
 Correct US use?  It sounds diabolical to me.
 8-)
 
 It's a colloquialism or vernacular in US English. (I'm not a
 linguist, the distinction is a little vague to me.) Understood and
 acceptable in casual conversation but not seen in written prose or
 formal 'correct' speech.

I use those sentences but if they are colloquial, I have to know what the
proper use of them to describe the same situations in more formal letter
etc.  I did not know there was anything wrong with those expressions.
BTW, I have nothing against proper or correct U.S. English.  They are
often more rationalized and save ink. (Color instead of colour etc, but not
night/nite or through/thru unless in email etc)

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Re: PESO - American Fence (the process of creativty)

2007-01-09 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: Shel Belinkoff Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence (the process of 
creativty)


 Isn't a fence a still life?


Not if it's a cigar.

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Re: Ford and Microsoft go wireless

2007-01-09 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi

On Jan 9, 2007, at 6:59 AM, Mark Roberts wrote:

 Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

 The in-car address book, speed dial and voice phone control is
 managed manually, independent of the phone. A bit of work to set up,
 but it allows me to put the 10-15 numbers I want to have access to
 quickly into the car explicitly and nothing else. If I need to call a
 number not in the system, I activate it on the Treo directly and it
 automatically connects with the hands-free system for the rest of the
 usage.

 When I'm in my car and need to send a message, I pull over, build a
 fire and send smoke signals...

LOL ... Text messages are not part of the Prius' hands free system. :-)

However, there are packages for the Treo that allow voice control  
that allow you to automate sending text messages if you really really  
must.

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Re: OT Question (was Re: OT Is returning a phone message reallythatcomplicated)

2007-01-09 Thread Don Williams
Hi Shel,

Every single US website that offers free services, that I have ever 
seen, uses For Free! and not Free or Free of Charge or Gratis or 
any other correct combination of words. But if you look again you'll see 
that I write US spoken English is sometimes strange. And do not imply 
that this is always the case. But find me a website offer that is Free 
and not For free and I'll take back (most of) my words.

If you see a child with dirty sneakers up on the sofa cushions do you 
say Get you feet off the sofa or Get your feet off of the sofa?

Don

Shel Belinkoff wrote:
 Those examples are  not American English.  Those are examples of
 incorrect American English, of people not knowing correct English grammar. 
 I'm sure there are people in every country that misspeak their language,
 use slang, jargon, or speak in the vernacular.


 Shel



   
 [Original Message]
 From: Don Williams 
 

   
 There is nothing wrong with US English spelling; or UK English spelling 
 either. But while US spelling may be more sensible, US spoken English is 
 sometimes strange. Extra words thrown in where they are not needed and 
 words left out where they are. An example  off of  and  out the door 
  -- or window perhaps. Also  I  where it should be  me . But the 
 spelling is fine. However some differences need to be learned: elevator 
 for lift; subway for underground; and many others. I use US spelling 
 (when I remember) for PDML because most of the members are US English 
 speakers. I recall writing something like this not so long ago.

 If you want to hear examples of good US English don't listen to G W 
 Bush. Without a script he'd be hopeless.
 Oh yes ... another one that drives me crazy is  For free  meaning  
 Free  or  No charge  or  Gratis .
 



   


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Re: PESO: Show Pony

2007-01-09 Thread David Savage
At 12:27 AM 10/01/2007, Adam Maas  wrote:
K.Takeshita wrote:
  U, that would be a tragedy.
  When I first visited U.S. years ago, the first thing I did at the airport
  was to designate Mustang at the rent-a-car counter.  That was an early 70's
  muscle Mustang.  A dream by a young Japanese to drive an American muscle
  car!
 
  Ken
 

One of the good things about the movie 'The Fast and the Furious: Tokyo 
Drift' was them building a 60's Mustang with an RB26DETT from a Skyline 
GT-R in it. They actually did build one for the movie, took quite a while 
for them to get the engine into the Mustang.

Frankly, I'd rather have a Nissan Silvia, Fairlady or Skyline than any 
Pony Car. Cubic Inches are fun, handling is more fun.


Nothing beats a Ricer with a big ironing board on the back to help it's 
handling.

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Re: How does one unlock an SD card??

2007-01-09 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: John Celio Subject: Re: How does one unlock an SD card??



 Bent pins are a nightmare, because you have to support the customer for
 something they did from not following the instructions.  It's not a
 manufacturing defect, but the customer will usually piss and moan like it
 is.

I didn't see many bent pins in cameras, amazingly enough, but our card 
readers kept getting damaged, including one glorious time when a girl 
managed to bend a pin into something that was powered, shorted out the 
reader, which in turn blew the MB of the countertop unit, causing all the 
smoke to leak out.
The biggest problem we had was with cards that hadn't been formatted that 
wouldn't read in the readers at all, though they would read in camera.
The second biggest problem we had was Sony Memory Sticks.

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Re: How does one unlock an SD card??

2007-01-09 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
I tested by doing multiple data transfers, both directions, of full 1  
and 2 G cards on four computer systems (my mac os x desktop and  
laptop, a friend's windows XP desktop and laptop). Of the six card  
readers I tested, only the Sandisk did this 100% reliably with 2G  
cards at that time (last may). All of them worked reliably with 1G  
cards.

I hope that more readers have become reliable since, but I haven't  
explored any new readers since as I am waiting for more SDHC  
compatible readers to become available.

Godfrey

On Jan 9, 2007, at 6:41 AM, Shel Belinkoff wrote:

 How did you test reliability?

 I recommend the Sandisk ImageMate 12-in-1 USB 2.0 reader. I tested
 about six different readers, and this was the fastest, and most
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Re: PESO: Show Pony

2007-01-09 Thread Adam Maas
K.Takeshita wrote:
 On 1/09/07 9:15 AM, Mark Roberts, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
However, I think a Mustang should look like a Mustang. That one
looks like a Nissan.

Give it a couple of years - by then Mustangs may *be* Nissans or
Toyotas. ;-)
 
 
 U, that would be a tragedy.
 When I first visited U.S. years ago, the first thing I did at the airport
 was to designate Mustang at the rent-a-car counter.  That was an early 70's
 muscle Mustang.  A dream by a young Japanese to drive an American muscle
 car!
 
 Ken


One of the good things about the movie 'The Fast and the Furious: Tokyo Drift' 
was them building a 60's Mustang with an RB26DETT from a Skyline GT-R in it. 
They actually did build one for the movie, took quite a while for them to get 
the engine into the Mustang.

Frankly, I'd rather have a Nissan Silvia, Fairlady or Skyline than any Pony 
Car. Cubic Inches are fun, handling is more fun.

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Re: Finally got my K10D. but..........

2007-01-09 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: jim Subject: Finally got my K10D. but..


 Finally got My K10D today   YAH

 but my Sigma 24-70 zoom won't work with it. Won't auto focus, won't auto 
 anything,
 Yet same lens works perfictaly on my MZ7.

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Re: PESO: Show Pony

2007-01-09 Thread pnstenquist
Thanks Christian. I think car colors come and go in cycles. Silver was the big 
color a few years back. It's now somewhat of a secondary choice. Copper has 
been popular, but I think it too is fading, although Ford used a near copper 
tone on that Mustang. Yellow seems to be populoar on sporty cars these days. 
Saw a lot of yellow at the show.
Paul
 -- Original message --
From: Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Paul Stenquist wrote:
  I did some pics at the North American International Auto Show today.  
  I have a lot of pics and have only processed a few. The K10D was nice  
  to work with. Shot most of it handheld with SR turned on. Great  
  camera for events in indoor venues. Here's a Mustang show car. I have  
  some more interesting stuff that I haven't processed, so I'll  
  probably post a few more later.
  Paul
  http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5429605size=lg
  
 
 Nice car! (Ford guy here).  Hey Paul, I've noticed a lot of oranges, 
 coppers and metallic browns in car colors these days, especially at auto 
 shows.  what do you make of this trend?
 
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Re: PESO: Show Pony

2007-01-09 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: Adam Maas Subject: Re: PESO: Show Pony



 Frankly, I'd rather have a Nissan Silvia, Fairlady or Skyline than any 
 Pony Car. Cubic Inches are fun, handling is more fun.

I'd rather have a pre 5mph bumper MGB.
Driving is fun, fixing is more fun.

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Re: OT Question (was Re: OT Is returning a phone message reallythatcomplicated)

2007-01-09 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi

On Jan 9, 2007, at 7:37 AM, Don Williams wrote:

 Every single US website that offers free services, that I have ever
 seen, uses For Free! and not Free or Free of Charge or  
 Gratis or
 any other correct combination of words. But if you look again  
 you'll see
 that I write US spoken English is sometimes strange. And do not imply
 that this is always the case. But find me a website offer that is  
 Free
 and not For free and I'll take back (most of) my words.

 If you see a child with dirty sneakers up on the sofa cushions do you
 say Get you feet off the sofa or Get your feet off of the sofa?

I would say Get your feet off the sofa!, eliding the of for  
emphasis. Prepositions in US English are often elided compared to  
British English, for various reasons. you feet where you is a  
replacement for your is a dialectic shift mostly seen in certain  
cultural groups, but not proper in written US English.

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Re: PESO: Show Pony

2007-01-09 Thread Adam Maas
David Savage wrote:
 At 12:27 AM 10/01/2007, Adam Maas  wrote:
 
K.Takeshita wrote:

U, that would be a tragedy.
When I first visited U.S. years ago, the first thing I did at the airport
was to designate Mustang at the rent-a-car counter.  That was an early 70's
muscle Mustang.  A dream by a young Japanese to drive an American muscle
car!

Ken


One of the good things about the movie 'The Fast and the Furious: Tokyo 
Drift' was them building a 60's Mustang with an RB26DETT from a Skyline 
GT-R in it. They actually did build one for the movie, took quite a while 
for them to get the engine into the Mustang.

Frankly, I'd rather have a Nissan Silvia, Fairlady or Skyline than any 
Pony Car. Cubic Inches are fun, handling is more fun.
 
 
 
 Nothing beats a Ricer with a big ironing board on the back to help it's 
 handling.
 
 Dave 
 
 

I'm not big into ricers. I am a big fan of low-displacement performance though. 
There's a big difference between a Civic with an ironing board and a fartpipe 
and a 240SX with an RB25DET swap and a 300ZX brake kit. I'm intot the latter.

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Re: PESO: Show Pony

2007-01-09 Thread Scott Loveless
On 1/9/07, Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Paul Stenquist wrote:
  I did some pics at the North American International Auto Show today.
  I have a lot of pics and have only processed a few. The K10D was nice
  to work with. Shot most of it handheld with SR turned on. Great
  camera for events in indoor venues. Here's a Mustang show car. I have
  some more interesting stuff that I haven't processed, so I'll
  probably post a few more later.
  Paul
  http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5429605size=lg
 

 Nice car! (Ford guy here).  Hey Paul, I've noticed a lot of oranges,
 coppers and metallic browns in car colors these days, especially at auto
 shows.  what do you make of this trend?

Early nineties teal?

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Re: Finally got my K10D. but..........

2007-01-09 Thread Adam Maas
William Robb wrote:
 - Original Message - 
 From: jim Subject: Finally got my K10D. but..
 
 
 
Finally got My K10D today   YAH

but my Sigma 24-70 zoom won't work with it. Won't auto focus, won't auto 
anything,
Yet same lens works perfictaly on my MZ7.
 
 
 SIGnificant MAlfunction strikes again.
 
 William Robb 
 
 

Sigma makes nice stuff, apart from the electronics. I try and avoid any sigma 
product with electronics in it. The 30/1.4 is making it hard though.

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Re: OT Question (was Re: OT Is returning a phone message really that complicated)

2007-01-09 Thread ann sanfedele
Well, in the American dictionary we use as the official source for 
Scrabble play, both
night/nite  color/colour  realize/realise are good - though the s 
 version is considered British
as is the our ending .  But night/nite is just a modern cutseyism(I 
just invented this word)

We get a lot of that's not a word from non Scrabble pro's - and many 
atrocities are duly
noted but accepted for competitive play.  

elevator/lift is quite another matter - not much to do with spelling, 
actually :)
but certainly a signal that the person who was writing to you was from 
one place or another.

ann

Thibouille wrote:

I think those are nice example but they do not generate any buzz in my brain.

Variations like Elevator/Lift are more notable and Through / Thru is
like touching Reset button of my computer. Same with Night/Nite ... I
feel like those american spellings jumping into my eyes and making fun
of me ;)

  




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Re: PESO: Show Pony

2007-01-09 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: David Savage Subject: Re: PESO: Show Pony



 Nothing beats a Ricer with a big ironing board on the back to help it's
 handling.

I have a few sledge hammers and a pneumatic wrecker that say otherwise.

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Re: Finally got my K10D. but..........

2007-01-09 Thread Steve Sharpe
At 6:12 AM -0800 1/9/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
On Jan 9, 2007, at 1:09 AM, Thibouille wrote:
  Strange how we almost never hear of that kind fo problem with
  Tokina/Tamron/Cosina etc. 3rd party lenses. Really strange, no?
  Of course, Sigma sells a lot more lens too.

Sigma is simply the worst when it comes to quality.
And they have a huge marketing budget.

My friendly camera repair guy told me that they glue their glass into 
place instead of using retaining rings. So, if they ever get damaged 
or misaligned they are usually unrepairable.

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Re: Ford and Microsoft go wireless

2007-01-09 Thread Paul Sorenson
Yeah - I can remember when ordering a heater in your car was an 
option...presumably if you lived in the southern states you saved a 
little money if it wasn't included in the car.

-P

Scott Loveless wrote:
 
 Ordering cars with specific options instead of packages used to be
 common.  
 


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OT: Has anyone photographed, or at least seen, this UFO?

2007-01-09 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap070109.html

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Re: PESO - American Fence (the process of creativty)

2007-01-09 Thread William Robb

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From: Shel Belinkoff Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence (the process of 
creativty)


 Sometimes a cigar is just a still life LOL - OK, not very funny, but
 still, if an object isn't alive, and it isn't moving, isn't it a still
 life?  And, just for clarification, what makes a photo a still life?

I could give you my definition, but I suspect that it's only one of many, 
and would get parsed to death.

William Robb


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Re: PESO: Show Pony

2007-01-09 Thread David Savage
On 1/10/07, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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 From: David Savage Subject: Re: PESO: Show Pony
 
  Nothing beats a Ricer with a big ironing board on the back to help it's
  handling.

 I have a few sledge hammers and a pneumatic wrecker that say otherwise.

Har! :-)

Dave

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Re: OT Question (was Re: OT Is returning a phone message reallythatcomplicated)

2007-01-09 Thread keith_w
mike wilson wrote:
 From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/01/09
 Tue PM 02:14:24 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net 
 Subject: Re: OT Question (was Re: OT Is returning a phone message 
 reallythatcomplicated)
 
 Those examples are  not American English.  Those are examples of 
 incorrect American English, of people not knowing correct English
 grammar. I'm sure there are people in every country that misspeak
 their language, use slang, jargon, or speak in the vernacular.

 What about the use of would have for had?  As in, If I would
 have written it properly, nobody could have been offended.  Correct
 US use?  It sounds diabolical to me. 8-)

There's supposed to be something wrong with that sentence?

Not in my opinion. Diabolical or not, it's perfectly understandable, and 
capable of being parsed.

keith whaley

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Re: PESO - American Fence (the process of creativty)

2007-01-09 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Sometimes a cigar is just a still life LOL - OK, not very funny, but
still, if an object isn't alive, and it isn't moving, isn't it a still
life?  And, just for clarification, what makes a photo a still life?

Shel



 [Original Message]
 From: William Robb 

 - Original Message - 
 From: Shel Belinkoff

  Isn't a fence a still life?
 

 Not if it's a cigar.



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Re: PESO: Show Pony

2007-01-09 Thread K.Takeshita
On 1/09/07 10:27 AM, Adam Maas, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Frankly, I'd rather have a Nissan Silvia, Fairlady or Skyline than any Pony
 Car. Cubic Inches are fun, handling is more fun.

I was talking about the nostalgia in a different era.  Since mid 80's for
several years, I used to have a 300ZX Turbo and it was great for the purpose
of driving around blvd or even for commuting.  It had switchable suspension
tuning, voice alarm, and Star Wars instrumentation (which I hated).  It was
a great summer car.  In Canadian winter?  Well, one day, I could not even
pull it out of my driveway :-).

I always wondered why they did not import Skyline GTR etc.  Might be for a
cost reason?

Ken


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Re: Ford and Microsoft go wireless

2007-01-09 Thread David Savage
On 1/9/07, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

 The in-car address book, speed dial and voice phone control is
 managed manually, independent of the phone. A bit of work to set up,
 but it allows me to put the 10-15 numbers I want to have access to
 quickly into the car explicitly and nothing else. If I need to call a
 number not in the system, I activate it on the Treo directly and it
 automatically connects with the hands-free system for the rest of the
 usage.

 When I'm in my car and need to send a message, I pull over, build a
 fire and send smoke signals...

You shouldn't have been so tight and sprung for the smoke signal option.

Dave

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Re: Ford and Microsoft go wireless

2007-01-09 Thread Christian
Paul Sorenson wrote:
 Yeah - I can remember when ordering a heater in your car was an 
 option...

I had a 1965 Mustang (289 4bbl) which had optional seat belts and side 
mirror.
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