Re: [Phono-L] Victor VE8-12X tonearm mounting bracket
Robert, Thanks for your kind words. The coils should be tight on the iron coil. If the shims help or reduce it to tolerable levels you know what to do, M On Tue, Nov 20, 2018 at 9:52 AM Robert Wright via Phono-L < phono-l@oldcrank.org> wrote: > Thank you, Mike! Hahaha, my phone's speech-to-text function butchers what > I tell it so frequently that I read right through your 'mess' no problem. > > > > So if I stick popsicle sticks between the outer coil windings and the > core, will any voltage be lost/wasted from anything being aligned > differently than originally manufactured, or does that not make any real > difference in this situation? > > > I did try the plug in both polarities -- no change in hum volume. It has > worked on plenty of 60s and 70s portable phonos I've had, though. > > > > Best, > > Robert > > > -- > *From:* Phono-L on behalf of Mike Stitt > via Phono-L > *Sent:* Monday, November 19, 2018 10:08 PM > *To:* Antique Phonograph List > *Cc:* Mike Stitt > *Subject:* Re: [Phono-L] Victor VE8-12X tonearm mounting bracket > > Man my last email was a mess. > Popsicle sticks can be used as shims to "tighten" up the coils. They tend > to shrink. > Glyptal is a red slushing type of paint that insulates and drys hard. > It is common for use in re-insulating coils. The spray type isn't nearly > as good as the brush on type. > It shouldn't make a difference but you might try turning the plug around. > If that should elimate the hum, test for voltage between the motor and a > known ground. Before polarized plugs touching say a radio chassis and a > water pipe would zap you, 115 volts. > Mike > Damn tablets! > On Mon, Nov 19, 2018, 5:30 PM Mike Stitt > Loose coils can cause a hum type of sound. More than likely the swab used > was glyptal. If the coila are lose use popcycle sticks. > Mike > > On Mon, Nov 19, 2018, 5:21 PM Leroy Barco via Phono-L < > phono-l@oldcrank.org wrote: > > I once had an electric credenza with a bad hum in the motor. > I found a small motor guy who diagnosed that it had “dried out “. > He had a solution he swabbed on several times that permeated the windings > and fixed the hum. > > I’m like Sgt. Schultz on the details. “I know nothing!” > > LeRoy > On Mon, Nov 19, 2018 at 12:25 PM Ron L'Herault via Phono-L < > phono-l@oldcrank.org> wrote: > > The Victor book gives some tips on reducing hum, such as checking the > plate tightness, and adding felt between cabinet and motorboard. There are > no circuit components other than switches.Have you checked with George > Vollema for the tone arm bracket? I understand that Wyatt Marcus is doing > really good Orth reproducer rebuilds. > > > > Ron L > > > > *From:* Phono-L [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] *On Behalf Of *Robert > Wright via Phono-L > *Sent:* Sunday, November 18, 2018 9:03 PM > *To:* Phono L > *Cc:* Robert Wright > *Subject:* [Phono-L] Victor VE8-12X tonearm mounting bracket > > > > Hey everyone, hope all is well with you folks! I need a whole new tonearm > mounting bracket assembly for a Victor VE8-12X that I just got. This one is > totally and utterly wrecked. Anyone know who's selling repros? Ron Sitko? > JAS? Anyone have current contact info for a dealer who would have some? > > > > Also, has anyone rebuilt one of these electric platter motors? This one > works great, but it has a really loud mechanical 60Hz hum. I want to > replace any components in the circuit that I can, and also do a full > cleaning and lube job, but I would really like to know what I'm getting > into first. > > > > And lastly, anyone have Walt's current info in case I want to have him > rebuild this reproducer? > > > > Thanks a million! > > Robert > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.org > Unsubscribe: phono-l-unsubscr...@oldcrank.org > > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.org > Unsubscribe: phono-l-unsubscr...@oldcrank.org > > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.org > Unsubscribe: phono-l-unsubscr...@oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org Unsubscribe: phono-l-unsubscr...@oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Merry Christmas Happy New Year
What Harvey said...Merry Christmas. Oldcranky On Tue, Dec 24, 2013 at 8:32 PM, harvey kravitz harveykrav...@yahoo.comwrote: I want to wish the gang at Phono-L a Merry Christmas, and a Happy, Prosperous New Year. Harvey Kravitz ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Mystery Victor III-UPDATE!
Yes indeed Zono, if you have one. If not a simple and effective improvement. Thanks, oldcranky On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 2:12 AM, zonophone2...@aol.com wrote: hi all victor also had an attachment you could buy that did that very thing you twisted the knob and it changed the angle of the cork look in tim and george's book to see one zono -Original Message- From: Mike Stitt smst...@gmail.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Tue, Sep 10, 2013 11:15 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Mystery Victor III-UPDATE! Melissa, A little tip learned years ago. Shape a piece of cork or whatever medium you choose to fit into the the tone arms U-tube. You want it to have a 45 degree cut. Put in front of the U-tube screw so as sound leaves the reproducer it hits the 45 degree angle and travels directly to the horn,. good will get better. A direct path instead of bouncing around. Mike Oldcranky On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 7:05 PM, Melissa Ricci riccib...@yahoo.com wrote: Thank you, Andrew! Steve really is second to none. All of our reproducers sound like the one in the video. Loud, clear and beautiful! We very much appreciate your opinion on the authenticity of the machine. We feel like we have learned so much in the past two weeks! It has been so much fun. As I said, we are going to continue to find out as much as we can about its history. We will be sure to keep updating the group as we learn more. There will definitely be at least one follow up video when it is completed. Incidentally, are you a writer or a teacher? The wording in your emails is just wonderful! :) Thanks so much again! Melissa From: Andrew Baron a...@popyrus.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 1:40 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Mystery Victor III-UPDATE! That would explain the great sound. I'm also a recipient of Steve's expertise and labor, and count myself very fortunate to be able to say that. Regarding the choice of a Victor III for the Vernis-Martin finish, it wouldn't be the first time that a less than top-of-the-line Victor or Victrola was given this treatment. No doubt in my mind about what you have. The images of the artistic graphics lurking beneath the gold paint are at once haunting, inspiring and compelling. Thanks again for sharing your find and taking the time to produce the video and make it available. Andrew Baron Santa Fe On Sep 9, 2013, at 5:34 PM, Melissa Ricci wrote: Thank you so much, Andrew! What a nice email. The reason the sound is so good is because Steve Medved rebuilt that reproducer for us! Unfortunately, the machine did not come with its reproducer, so we put one of our extra ones on it for testing. Steve does such a great job on our reproducers! Thanks again, Melissa From: Andrew Baron a...@popyrus.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, September 8, 2013 11:35 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Mystery Victor III-UPDATE! A hearty congratulations Melissa, and thanks for the update. A truly inspiring progress report. Great to see the mandolin and roses under the existing gold paint, and the machine sounds wonderful. How satisfying it must be to have it alive again with its new mainsprings. Looks like new reproducer gaskets and flange as well, underscoring a triumphant recording. Machines like this, that are so rare and have survived more than a century through questionable practices and poor conditions, have real stories to tell. Thanks for sharing this one. Andrew Baron Santa Fe On Sep 8, 2013, at 5:52 PM, Melissa Ricci wrote: Hello Everyone, Here is an update on our Mystery Victor III. First, we would like to thank everybody who emailed us with advice and help! You are all wonderful! We were emailed off list about what we now know we really have. It turns out that back in the day, Victor made special custom made cabinet styles for the ultra wealthy. When you are that wealthy, you could get pretty much anything you wanted including a gold Victor with hand painted figures on the sides and all gold plated hardware! The style is called Vernis-Martin and was apparently pretty popular with those who could afford it. The different columns, cabinet style and color were all a special order, which now makes perfect sense. The patent plate was originally on the inside so that it wouldn’t cover the flowers. We were wondering why there were no extra pinholes anywhere on the outside of the cabinet. Now we know. We assumed correctly that the machine had been re-painted during its lifetime and unfortunately, the person who “restored” it painted fresh gold paint right over the original
Re: [Phono-L] Mystery Victor III-UPDATE!
Melissa, A little tip learned years ago. Shape a piece of cork or whatever medium you choose to fit into the the tone arms U-tube. You want it to have a 45 degree cut. Put in front of the U-tube screw so as sound leaves the reproducer it hits the 45 degree angle and travels directly to the horn,. good will get better. A direct path instead of bouncing around. Mike Oldcranky On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 7:05 PM, Melissa Ricci riccib...@yahoo.com wrote: Thank you, Andrew! Steve really is second to none. All of our reproducers sound like the one in the video. Loud, clear and beautiful! We very much appreciate your opinion on the authenticity of the machine. We feel like we have learned so much in the past two weeks! It has been so much fun. As I said, we are going to continue to find out as much as we can about its history. We will be sure to keep updating the group as we learn more. There will definitely be at least one follow up video when it is completed. Incidentally, are you a writer or a teacher? The wording in your emails is just wonderful! :) Thanks so much again! Melissa From: Andrew Baron a...@popyrus.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 1:40 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Mystery Victor III-UPDATE! That would explain the great sound. I'm also a recipient of Steve's expertise and labor, and count myself very fortunate to be able to say that. Regarding the choice of a Victor III for the Vernis-Martin finish, it wouldn't be the first time that a less than top-of-the-line Victor or Victrola was given this treatment. No doubt in my mind about what you have. The images of the artistic graphics lurking beneath the gold paint are at once haunting, inspiring and compelling. Thanks again for sharing your find and taking the time to produce the video and make it available. Andrew Baron Santa Fe On Sep 9, 2013, at 5:34 PM, Melissa Ricci wrote: Thank you so much, Andrew! What a nice email. The reason the sound is so good is because Steve Medved rebuilt that reproducer for us! Unfortunately, the machine did not come with its reproducer, so we put one of our extra ones on it for testing. Steve does such a great job on our reproducers! Thanks again, Melissa From: Andrew Baron a...@popyrus.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, September 8, 2013 11:35 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Mystery Victor III-UPDATE! A hearty congratulations Melissa, and thanks for the update. A truly inspiring progress report. Great to see the mandolin and roses under the existing gold paint, and the machine sounds wonderful. How satisfying it must be to have it alive again with its new mainsprings. Looks like new reproducer gaskets and flange as well, underscoring a triumphant recording. Machines like this, that are so rare and have survived more than a century through questionable practices and poor conditions, have real stories to tell. Thanks for sharing this one. Andrew Baron Santa Fe On Sep 8, 2013, at 5:52 PM, Melissa Ricci wrote: Hello Everyone, Here is an update on our Mystery Victor III. First, we would like to thank everybody who emailed us with advice and help! You are all wonderful! We were emailed off list about what we now know we really have. It turns out that back in the day, Victor made special custom made cabinet styles for the ultra wealthy. When you are that wealthy, you could get pretty much anything you wanted including a gold Victor with hand painted figures on the sides and all gold plated hardware! The style is called Vernis-Martin and was apparently pretty popular with those who could afford it. The different columns, cabinet style and color were all a special order, which now makes perfect sense. The patent plate was originally on the inside so that it wouldn’t cover the flowers. We were wondering why there were no extra pinholes anywhere on the outside of the cabinet. Now we know. We assumed correctly that the machine had been re-painted during its lifetime and unfortunately, the person who “restored” it painted fresh gold paint right over the original finish and the hand painted decorations! Once we cleaned the cabinet up, you could clearly see a mandolin, sheet music and roses with leaves under the topcoat of paint. You can also see the original bright gold leaf under the ugly new paint. We are in the process of finding an expert in restoring these types of finishes and getting a formal appraisal. It is a good thing we were contacted about this when we were. We were all set to strip the cabinet and refinish it last weekend! What a disaster that would have been. Below is a link to see the machine running for the first time. The machine had two broken springs that we just replaced along with a
Re: [Phono-L] needing a b y nickel beauty ring for 12 3/8 turntable
Fake it with a clock bezel. I have found the longer I'm in this hobby the less I'm incline to do much to these old machines. Maybe a drop of oil and clean out the wasp nest. Perhaps I'm lazy. I can see if its a resale some plating may be in order. Sorry this happened to you Zono. Mike Oldcranky. On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 1:57 PM, Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com wrote: Or make one from scratch. On 09/04/2013 03:12 PM, Ron L'Herault wrote: You might be able to get a musical instrument repair man to straighten it out for you. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces@**oldcrank.orgphono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of zonophone2...@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2013 3:27 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] needing a b y nickel beauty ring for 12 3/8 turntable He was polishing it with a wheel idiot he was -Original Message- From: John Robles john9...@pacbell.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wed, Sep 4, 2013 2:25 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] needing a b y nickel beauty ring for 12 3/8 turntable If I may ask, how did he destroy it? John On Sep 4, 2013, at 10:37 AM, zonophone2...@aol.com wrote: HI He cant pay for it if i cant find one oh well no idea what its worth at this point but not a happy camper zono -Original Message- From: John Robles john9...@pacbell.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wed, Sep 4, 2013 12:13 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] needing a b y nickel beauty ring for 12 3/8 turntable I hope he paid for it! John On Sep 4, 2013, at 8:20 AM, zonophone2...@aol.com wrote: hello all just a shout out i am having my by replated and the plater destroyed the by beauty ring the one i need is the larger one for the 12 3/8 turntable i know there is a smaller one for the 11 5/ 8 but i need the larger please contact me off list if you have one available thanks zono __**_ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org __**_ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org __**_ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org __**_ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org __**_ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org __**_ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org __**_ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org -- Apply dog logic to life, eat well, be loved, Get petted, sleep alot, dream of a leash free world. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Edison electrical DDs
Art, My notes have it at 52089, Oct,1929 I'm gonna settle up (then I'm gonna settle down) and Here I am Broken Hearted, By J. Donald Parker . Per Raymond Wile Mike Stitt Oldcranky On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 10:23 PM, aph4...@aol.com wrote: I have recently bought a bunch of Edison DDs of the 52000 series. The original owner just died and these were in his estate sale. The are absolutely pristine and sound great. I know that Edison started electrically recording these somewhere about July 1927, But can someone give me the number of the first electrically recorded diamond disc? Thanks, Art Heller ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Edison electrical DDs
Art, It is from Raymond Wile's Edison Disc recordings. The 1929 date is his date, I screwed up, late night stuff.. BTW the book is ©1978. Thanks for the correction. '27 makes no sense. Oldcranky the blind. On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 8:56 AM, Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com wrote: Finnish: 59305-59306 Spanish/Cuban: 60063-60078 60063 is the earliest, released DD electrical matrix. German: 57025-57034 52089 to 52651 for the 50,000 series 80885 to 80907 for the 80,000 series 82351 to 82360 for the 82,000 series Please remember that the 82500 series was not part of the 82000 series. From: aph4...@aol.com Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 01:23:00 -0400 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Edison electrical DDs I have recently bought a bunch of Edison DDs of the 52000 series. The original owner just died and these were in his estate sale. The are absolutely pristine and sound great. I know that Edison started electrically recording these somewhere about July 1927, But can someone give me the number of the first electrically recorded diamond disc? Thanks, Art Heller ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Edison electrical DDs
Hey Steve, Mine is 52651. Too bad I traded away my cylinder by the Blue Babies, Heaven help a Sailor on a night like this...lol Oldcranky On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 1:07 PM, aph4...@aol.com wrote: Thanks Steve, I think I'm only going to concern myself with the 52000 series for now. I've never seen any electrical recordings in the other series. ---Art Heller In a message dated 6/15/2013 10:11:48 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, steve_nor...@msn.com writes: Finnish: 59305-59306 Spanish/Cuban: 60063-60078 60063 is the earliest, released DD electrical matrix. German: 57025-57034 52089 to 52651 for the 50,000 series 80885 to 80907 for the 80,000 series 82351 to 82360 for the 82,000 series Please remember that the 82500 series was not part of the 82000 series. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Edison electrical DDs
Art, You are right on all accounts. The Wile book is confusing too. I haven't played with records for years and w/o looking it up 1927 seemed early for Edison electrical. I confused it even more in my haste as I've been running all day. 3/12/29 is the cutout date Steve, Somewhere around here i have the two DD that have previous unknown labels and I don't remember if it was in the 80 or 82000 series. These two labels were included in Ron Dethlefson DD Book. Sorry I confused the issue, Mike S ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Rare Gothic
No free shipping? Oldcranky On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 7:32 AM, Loran Hughes lo...@oldcrank.com wrote: Sometimes, eBay coughs up something really special. http://goo.gl/MMD8q Loran ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Rare Gothic
Well now, I have a good cabinet with no guts but I have the motor, resistors, turntable.. and a horn that would need to fitted.The tone arm pops up on ebay. When I thought I might finish it tone arms were going for stupid money but not now. I do have a tone arm but it is incorrect. I believe it was made with generic parts. I am not motivated but but by the same token I'll never finish it. If you have a bit of skill it would be a great project. I would be inclined to sell it only as a cabinet and throw the parts into the mix so we have an understanding. The motor works BTW. The lamp is in the cabinet, no top as usual, so is the wooden arm for the lid. I can get you about 90% there. The polychrome is not bright nor strong but I have not tried to clean it. I will sell it when I'm retired or if there is an interest now. They are not hard to sell so now or later. I did have to pay for the cabinet. Union is coming up! Mike Email me at Mike @ oldcranky .com. On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 5:43 PM, c5...@aol.com wrote: We sold one at Union about 6 years ago. In a message dated 5/9/2013 7:49:57 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, antqf...@yahoo.com writes: How bad do you want one I have one that I might sell. Let me know off list. antqf...@yahoo.com or 530 945 2221 On May 9, 2013, at 9:43 AM, Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com wrote: I want one... I know where two are, but aren't for sale, within 5 miles of here. They are great looking machines. From: john9...@pacbell.net Date: Thu, 9 May 2013 09:10:08 -0700 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Rare Gothic Awesome. On May 9, 2013, at 7:32 AM, Loran Hughes lo...@oldcrank.com wrote: Sometimes, eBay coughs up something really special. http://goo.gl/MMD8q Loran ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] abefed...@gmail.com wants to follow you. Accept?
We are replying and warning, not forwarding? Mike On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 10:13 PM, Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com wrote: So, why keep forwarding the bad link? Trim On 04/15/2013 10:37 PM, Mike Stitt wrote: I use WOT and it all lit up red.No, no no... Oldcranky On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 8:02 PM, Andrew Barona...@popyrus.com wrote: snip. __**_ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
[Phono-L] Bad links
Re bad links. I use gmail. What I see is the original mail with bad links and a thread with replies.It does not repeat the bad links at all. In fact after a reply or two the original links and email are collapsed. You do not see them. If one is to start a new email that would be just that but would be confusing to some. So be it, unless some one's a hunting for it. Back to phonographs. Don't click on the links btw to all that read this... oldcranky Mike PS So you know I threw the thread into the trash and every time others have replied it pops back in my 'inbox with the bad links and I put it back into the trash. This is why I have sent this email as a stand alone. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] abefed...@gmail.com wants to follow you. Accept?
I use WOT and it all lit up red.No, no no... Oldcranky On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 8:02 PM, Andrew Baron a...@popyrus.com wrote: Thanks Loran. Almost did. Andrew On Apr 15, 2013, at 8:34 PM, Loran Hughes wrote: Please don't click on any of these links! Loran On Apr 15, 2013, at 6:49 PM, abefed...@gmail.comi...@info-emailer.com wrote: Hi, abefed...@gmail.com wants to follow you. snip ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Attn: Steve Medved, re: original hinge block
Since we've come this far in closing, and I'm late to the game, I would send my rarest reproducer to Steve and yes I have a few. no worries. Sorry Loran, I see you wanted this closed. Oldcranky. Mike Stitt On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 9:05 PM, Loran Hughes lo...@oldcrank.com wrote: Phono-L is the wrong tool, Chuck. Take it off list. Loran On Mar 24, 2013, at 6:49 PM, chuck richards chuc...@all2easy.net wrote: No slamming intended. Just using whatever means are available to resolve this. There are certain tools around, and sometimes they need to be used. Chuck Original Message From: kb...@charter.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Attn: Steve Medved, re: original hinge block Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 19:45:52 -0500 I just can't sit idle with a slam towards Steve. He is one of the nicest and most knowledgeable phonograph collector/historian that I have had the privilege to know. Ditto to George's comment below. Give him a break!!! Ken Brekke -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Paul Christenzen Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:12 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Attn: Steve Medved, re: original hinge block ONE WEEK... come on - Steve's the most honest, reliableand able guy I've met in 40 years of collecting - sheesh...give the guy a chance to breathe before you try to embarrass him!! ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org $4.95/mo. National Dialup, Anti-Spam, Anti-Virus, 5mb personal web space. 5x faster dialup for only $9.95/mo. No contracts, No fees, No Kidding! See http://www.All2Easy.net for more details! ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] question re gold plating
I don't think Steve gold plates or does a gold wash. Could be incorrect on that. Years ago I paid a local circuit board company. Show them what you want to get the right color or leave it alone. Finding good original parts just might cost less in the long run. I agree with Jim. M On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 10:27 AM, Jim Cartwright jim...@earthlink.netwrote: Some years ago I had a few gold-plated phonograph parts re-plated at a plating place they came out with a different finish from that originally used. So, you may want to leave your not in best shape parts as they are rather than having them re-plated with a finish that might not match originals. -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Bob Maffit Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 10:25 PM To: 'Antique Phonograph List' Subject: [Phono-L] question re gold plating Phono Listers: i have some parts ( tone arm, speed control, bullet brake) which are gold plated however, not in the best shape. I hesitate to ask, given the price of gold these days but, who does this kind of work? I got to thinking and wondered if it wasn't really 'gold but maybe a less expensive option like some type of brass mix or something. Any thread discussing gold type plating, and or person doing this work would be appreciated. Also, if someone in the last, say, 12 months had something gold plated, what did it cost? Oh! Yes, it is the Victor VV-Xii *grin* Later Bob ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Newbie Question - How To Tell an Acoustical Record
Should we start cactus thorns? grin Oldcranky On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 3:08 PM, Tom Jordan tom...@msn.com wrote: FYI I Googled Bamboo Phonograph needles and got a few hits. One site even gives step by step instructions for making your own Bamboo/fiber needles. I'm not recommending any of these, but thought that it might be helpful. Tom -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Mike Stitt Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 9:27 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Newbie Question - How To Tell an Acoustical Record Don't forget you must train your records when using bamboo. Mike\Oldcranky On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 6:35 PM, Bob Maffit maff...@bresnan.net wrote: Steve: Other than finding the Bamboo needles in phonographs I have obtained, I haven't found a source for them. Do you know of any? later Bob -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Steven Medved Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 7:12 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Newbie Question - How To Tell an Acoustical Record If you want to preserve a record you need to use a quality needle and change it after each play. The Chamberlain needles on eBay are fully polished, but the diameter is too large and they contact the shoulders at the beginning of each play. You see many victrolas with records that look new, at least you used to. When the reproducer was new with soft gaskets the reproducer was compliant and they changed needles each time. 70 years later with hard gaskets and the same needle the records wear. I believe that as long as the record is shellac a steel needle is OK unless the record is rare or an early one then you would want to use bamboo. The vinyl 78's and the flexible Marconi records I would not use a steel needle with. I suggest medium tone needles, you get less distortion. The shellac records were made with an abrasive so they will accomodate steel needles, I learned the hard way vinyl is badly affected by steel needles. I do not think electrically recorded records are adversly affected by a steel needle, I have never noted any problems. The run in groove appeared around 1930 to 1933 from what I have been told. I welcome comments. Steve Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 23:06:36 -0500 From: chris...@cox.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Newbie Question - How To Tell an Acoustical Record Hi all, I've just gotten my first keeper wind-up phonograph, a Victor VV 8-35 (which a list member is refurbishing the mechanics of, I can hardly wait!), and I have a really elementary question: How do I tell which records can be safely played with a steel needle? I suspect all Victor batwings are OK. But is there a general rule of thumb besides date (would that be pretty much 1930s and before?) As late as when? Is absence of a spiral run-in groove a reliable indicator? Does electrically recorded mean too late? I belong to an antique radio club and at the last meeting one member sold another a table model along with half a dozen albums of 1940s-1950s 78s. I told them both that the steel needle in the heavy acoustic reproducer will ruin those records, and with the right records you also need to replace the needle for every play. But they went ahead demonstrating the machine and turning the grooves white. Oh well. Thanks, Chris Kocsis ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Very Sad News
Paula and I are very sad as well. Our condolences to the family. Sad indeed. It is a tragic loss. Our thoughts are with the family. Mike Oldcranky On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 8:40 PM, Tim Fabrizio phonop...@aol.com wrote: I was stunned to hear about Bob. I'd been out of touch with him in recent years, but he and Karen could not have been better hosts when I visited them to shoot images for the Fabrizio/Paul books. Stunned. Brice, please keep me in the loop. With sadness, Tim Fabrizo Original Message From: brice paris antqf...@yahoo.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Tue, Sep 18, 2012 8:18 pm Subject: [Phono-L] Very Sad News I am very sad and upset that I must bring to you very sad news. Mr. Robert R. Johnson of the famous Mr. Victor Phonograph Museum, avid Oregon Duck fan and a friend to most of us in the phonograph world, was unable to beat the odds this time and passed away yesterday afternoon after a short illness. Bob was one of the most generous people that I have ever known, and I am sure that many of you have been on the receieving end of that at one time or another. He was always willing to take his time to help collectors and non collectors who contacted him with his knowledge of our hobby, often times giving parts to folks he really didn't know to help them put a machine together. He was a true gentleman who never let grass grow under his feet, he always kept moving. Words can not describe the shock and heavy hearts that Kathleen and I have loosing a friend such as Bob. Bob and Karen were inseparatable and always had a smile and greeting for anyone that they met.I ask that your thoughts and prayers go out to Karen and their two daughters Kelly and Keri as they attempt to deal with their loss. As many of you know when dealing with their personal lives they are relatively private. At this time, Karen has asked that you contact me directly with any phone calls and any questions and I will try my best to answer. I will also let everyone know when I have an address that they would want cards sent to or hear of what or if they are planning to have a Celebration of Life for Bob . He will be sorely missed by all of us. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org/ ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Interesting horn on ebay
The screen is used to keep the bugs out while you play records. They can plug up the reproducers throat. MS On Sat, Jul 21, 2012 at 4:32 PM, Loran Hughes lthug...@gmail.com wrote: It isn't a phonograph horn. Not sure what it was used for, but it has threads on the end. Loran On Sat, Jul 21, 2012 at 3:19 PM, aph4...@aol.com wrote: An interesting horn has appeared on ebay recently. But I've never seen anything like it before. It has a screen at the horn opening and I have no idea why. Maybe it keeps the moths out. Or maybe it's not a phonograph horn at all. Any thoughts? Ebay # is 280921924514 Thanks, Art Heller ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Fw: We've Taken An Electronic Hit
Harvey, I wrote you last night as it popped up on the OTAPS list. Good luck with clean up. Mike On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 2:44 PM, harvey kravitz harveykrav...@yahoo.comwrote: Hi gang, I really don't know what to say of this. I had no idea that this happened. I'm doing a virus check and hope everything will be OK. Harvey Kravitz - Forwarded Message - From: keeper...@aol.com keeper...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, June 4, 2012 2:18 PM Subject: [Phono-L] We've Taken An Electronic Hit Either spammers or hackers have gotten into Harvey's, and now Bobby Carver's mailing list. Don't open the attachment, folks! The subject, Re: is a dead give-away that it's not a message from Harvey or Bob. : ) Edwary In a message dated 6/3/2012 6:18:23 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, steve_nor...@msn.com writes: dish soap diluted in water and a soft toothbrush and brush in the direction of the grooves all around the surface,rinse with tap water and dry with a terry face cloth.It may take 2-3 attempts but should work.Never use a pin! From: Dennis Back back...@yahoo.com; To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org; Subject: [Phono-L] Paint flecks on a Blue Amberol Sent: Sun, Jun 3, 2012 9:49:35 PM A friend just called me and asked if I knew of a way to get paint flecks off a Blue Amberol cylinder, without damaging it. I was thinking a pin or needle using a magnifying glass to gently dig the flecks out? Playing the cylinder the correct Diamond B reproducer might dislodge some of the flecks, but might not be good for the stylus. I asked if the paint was oil based, and he said he did NOT think it was and thought it was plain house paint. Any ideas? Thanks, Dennis ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Fw: We've Taken An Electronic Hit
Harvey, Don't Yahoo and get Gmail. Mike On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 3:57 PM, Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com wrote: Hi Harvey, Just change your e-mail password and include characters. Read Newton's Law. Steve Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 14:44:09 -0700 From: harveykrav...@yahoo.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Fw: We've Taken An Electronic Hit Hi gang, I really don't know what to say of this. I had no idea that this happened. I'm doing a virus check and hope everything will be OK. Harvey Kravitz - Forwarded Message - From: keeper...@aol.com keeper...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, June 4, 2012 2:18 PM Subject: [Phono-L] We've Taken An Electronic Hit Either spammers or hackers have gotten into Harvey's, and now Bobby Carver's mailing list. Don't open the attachment, folks! The subject, Re: is a dead give-away that it's not a message from Harvey or Bob. : ) Edwary In a message dated 6/3/2012 6:18:23 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, steve_nor...@msn.com writes: dish soap diluted in water and a soft toothbrush and brush in the direction of the grooves all around the surface,rinse with tap water and dry with a terry face cloth.It may take 2-3 attempts but should work.Never use a pin! From: Dennis Back back...@yahoo.com; To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org; Subject: [Phono-L] Paint flecks on a Blue Amberol Sent: Sun, Jun 3, 2012 9:49:35 PM A friend just called me and asked if I knew of a way to get paint flecks off a Blue Amberol cylinder, without damaging it. I was thinking a pin or needle using a magnifying glass to gently dig the flecks out? Playing the cylinder the correct Diamond B reproducer might dislodge some of the flecks, but might not be good for the stylus. I asked if the paint was oil based, and he said he did NOT think it was and thought it was plain house paint. Any ideas? Thanks, Dennis ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] FeeBay AMET photos
Al, Not a very good answer but try clicking on the box or page and hit Ctrl/+. Ctrl/- will shrink it back.. Not a computer guy so I don't know if it depends on your browser. Oldcranky On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 2:28 PM, clockworkh...@aol.com wrote: OK, so now FeeBay has an Amet motor machine and I would like to get full sized shots of the machine; but, the only way I can view things is with their stupid magnifier box. Does anyone on this list know how to get full sized shots without the zoom box cropping? This is just one more annoying change FeeBay has made recently. They are like the government, they make ill-thought-out changes just to justify their existence and they don't care who they inconvenience or effect. Thanks for any suggestions, Al ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Stuck with a Crapophone
Sorry about the possible blank email. I take a different approach and perhaps thought to be mean spirited by some. If someone wishes to spend $900.00 on a crap o phone I don't involve myself. It is a learning device. If educating yourself is less important than a $900.00 bid why would I purpose the money means as much to them as it does to me? An hour or so on the internet would sort it all out or waste $900 bucks. Oldcranky Mike On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 11:44 AM, Mike Stitt smst...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 10:25 AM, Jim Nichol jnic...@fuse.net wrote: Thanks, John. I voted for your crapophone review as helpful. I was not even aware that eBay had a Reviews section. Good work! Come to think of it, I don't think you used the word crapophone in your review. Haha! Jim Nichol On Mar 20, 2012, at 9:24 AM, john robles wrote: Hi Jim Here it is. It is a general primer for those on wBay who are interested in phonographs, so it is a little basic, but it contains info about watching out for Crapophones including the typical ways to tell what is real and what is not. Here is the link to the article. http://reviews.ebay.com/Antique-Phonographs-Gramophones-and-Victrolas?ugid=102813578 John From: Jim Nichol jnic...@fuse.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 11:51 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Stuck with a Crapophone What's the URL link to your article? Jim Nichol On Mar 20, 2012, at 1:46 AM, john robles wrote: Someone urgently wrote me asking if this was a repro machine - turns out she was the high bidder on it. She had read my article on eBay about repro phonographs and took note of what iI said about the decal and was afraid it might be a repro. Based on that article and my response to her email, she canceled her transaction with the seller, and the seller will relist it. I feel proud of having saved someone from the pitfall of buying a Crapophone, but I hope the seller will relist it as a repro. I did write to the seller and advise them of the fact, in a very polite manner, making the assumption that they did not know about it. John Robles From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 9:54 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Stuck with a Crapophone Looks like someone got stuck with a crapophone on ebay for $910!!! The item number is 260977570310. The auction description says that the seller bought it at an auction to use on a built in bookcase, but it didn't fit so now they're selling it at a fraction of what they paid...Nowhere does it say that it is a repro, but the standard I don't know anything about these machines disclaimer appears. I find it doubtful because they call the machine a Victor Gramphone, not a phonograph or Victrola asothers so commonly do. Of corse the decal says The Gramophone Company, so that's a good possibility...Someone asked a question about the date of the machin, and the seller says that someone full of knowledge said that these machines had been made for at least 30 years, so maybe that's the disclaimer that it is not a real antique, but if so it is a shady one. And of course they may not know what it is like they claim, but who buys something to put in a certain place in their home without measuring first? Plus the description is typical of other items I have seen on ebay that are of questionable origin. Or the seller could be totally innocent! John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Stuck with a Crapophone
On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 10:25 AM, Jim Nichol jnic...@fuse.net wrote: Thanks, John. I voted for your crapophone review as helpful. I was not even aware that eBay had a Reviews section. Good work! Come to think of it, I don't think you used the word crapophone in your review. Haha! Jim Nichol On Mar 20, 2012, at 9:24 AM, john robles wrote: Hi Jim Here it is. It is a general primer for those on wBay who are interested in phonographs, so it is a little basic, but it contains info about watching out for Crapophones including the typical ways to tell what is real and what is not. Here is the link to the article. http://reviews.ebay.com/Antique-Phonographs-Gramophones-and-Victrolas?ugid=102813578 John From: Jim Nichol jnic...@fuse.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 11:51 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Stuck with a Crapophone What's the URL link to your article? Jim Nichol On Mar 20, 2012, at 1:46 AM, john robles wrote: Someone urgently wrote me asking if this was a repro machine - turns out she was the high bidder on it. She had read my article on eBay about repro phonographs and took note of what iI said about the decal and was afraid it might be a repro. Based on that article and my response to her email, she canceled her transaction with the seller, and the seller will relist it. I feel proud of having saved someone from the pitfall of buying a Crapophone, but I hope the seller will relist it as a repro. I did write to the seller and advise them of the fact, in a very polite manner, making the assumption that they did not know about it. John Robles From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 9:54 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Stuck with a Crapophone Looks like someone got stuck with a crapophone on ebay for $910!!! The item number is 260977570310. The auction description says that the seller bought it at an auction to use on a built in bookcase, but it didn't fit so now they're selling it at a fraction of what they paid...Nowhere does it say that it is a repro, but the standard I don't know anything about these machines disclaimer appears. I find it doubtful because they call the machine a Victor Gramphone, not a phonograph or Victrola asothers so commonly do. Of corse the decal says The Gramophone Company, so that's a good possibility...Someone asked a question about the date of the machin, and the seller says that someone full of knowledge said that these machines had been made for at least 30 years, so maybe that's the disclaimer that it is not a real antique, but if so it is a shady one. And of course they may not know what it is like they claim, but who buys something to put in a certain place in their home without measuring first? Plus the description is typical of other items I have seen on ebay that are of questionable origin. Or the seller could be totally innocent! John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling??
The problem with bidding early is as vinyl states. Also the bidder has a feeling of ownership. That is to say if someone bids they are taking your item away and you will attack with a new and higher bid. I use attack because that is just what the lizard brain does...Someone took it away. Sneak attacks are better, last second bidding. Why show your cards? And never forget the person that will BUI, bid under the influence. eBay encourages proxy bidding for a reason. They don't call 'em bidding wars for no reason. Oldcranky On Sat, Mar 3, 2012 at 9:03 AM, Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.comwrote: Check the bid history, my point is proven. There is someone who wants that machine for $1,060+That bidder is:i***l( 1259) Obviously, he/she was determined to find the previous bidder's limit and then exceed it, no matter what the item is worth.The lesson to be learned is this - don't place a proxy bid for more than you are actually comfortable with paying, because someone will try to get you to your max. From: vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2012 11:04:39 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling?? Actually, this is the problem with placing proxy bids early on eBay. He probably did not want to pay $1,000, but definitely wanted the machine and didn't want to be sniped at the end, so placed a high proxy bid to avoid being outbid. However, he didn't take into account the nutcase OCD bidders who will keep bumping the bid until they discover your limit. Why does anyone bid days ahead on eBay, since it's not an actual auction anyway? The only thing that counts is the last bid. Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2012 06:09:37 -0800 From: john9...@pacbell.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling?? A yeah. I get it. I find it amazing anyone would bid that much for a Standard though. From: George Glastris glast...@comcast.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, March 3, 2012 4:01 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling?? No, he was bidding against someone else...but not catching up. - Original Message - From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2012 3:21 AM Subject: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling?? Check this out..here is an Edison Standard going for over $1,000 on eBay. The interesting thing is, one bidder placed 13 consecutive bids within a few minutes, bidding against himself each time, and taking the price from $599 to $1000. I call shilling. What do you think?? John Robles PAT 1898 EDISON STANDARD PHONOGRAPH WORKING MOTOR! SEE MY VIDEO! 110+ YEARS OLD! ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] (no subject)
I don't Jerry had any control over it. He was hijacked. I agree with Darrell, I did not see any squawks from my virus program but that means little. I'd guess you will be OK. No one is at fault here, it can happen to anyone. Mike Oldcranky. On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 3:34 PM, jerry f bacon artemp...@sbcglobal.netwrote: How Dare you put something like that on this list, I hope it does not give me a virus or something.I had to hit cancel or delete about ten times before I got away from it. Jerry F Bacon-Dallas,Tx ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] 12-Inch Button on Edison Disk Machine?
I'll bet you could supply the needed records. Mike Oldcranky On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 10:33 AM, Darrell Lehman nickja...@gmail.comwrote: And if you don't know how to operate it: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=38027item=390393488879 How stupid did Edison think people were?? On 2/23/12, chris...@cox.net chris...@cox.net wrote: A friend has a Laboratory Model diamond disk player. To the left of the platter, along the edge close to the cabinet, are two push buttons -- one labeled 10 and the other 12. Neither of us was aware that there were 12-inch diamond disks. Were Edison reproducers available for lateral records? Was this an after-market modification? Thanks, Chris ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Does anyone know how to make a Jones Motrola _safe_?
It your not livin on the edge your takin up to much room. Heck you might get across the 110, it will light you up, that's all. If it is typical of early devices like radios with a metal case I would guess your problem would be that the case is not tied to the neutral but the hot. If you get between a true ground it will get ya. Make sure the metal case is neutral. My best guess. Mike On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 7:06 PM, Jim Nichol jnic...@fuse.net wrote: The NEC (National Electric Code) doesn't normally allow soldering for power connections. My guess is that they are concerned that a high current fault (short) could melt the solder. Jim Nichol On Feb 16, 2012, at 9:58 PM, Philip Carli wrote: Would soldering the green wire to the case do as well as a screw? I believe the case is pot metal and tapping it for a screw might shatter the whole thing. Philip Carli From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] on behalf of Greg Bogantz [gbogan...@charter.net] Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 8:27 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Does anyone know how to make a Jones Motrola _safe_? I believe the Motrola has a metal case. The danger can occur if there is electrical leakage from the internal wiring to the case and its attached metal parts which can occur due to carbonized insulation that can begin to develop a lower resistance. I would recommend first testing with an ohmmeter to determine if there is already leakage from either of the wires leading from the motor to the case. An ohmmeter reading should indicate a very high or infinite resistance from either wire to the case when things are correct. If you measure any significantly lower resistance, the internal wiring will need to be redone or repaired. If there is good isolation from the motor wires to the case, I would recommend replacing the line cord with a modern three-wire cord with a 3-terminal AC plug. Connect the black and white wires to the motor circuit as was done in the original 2-wire cord. Then connect the green wire to a screw on the metal case. This will privide a grounding connection from the case to your household earthing system. If electrical leakage should develop in the future, it will be routed thru the green wire to your household ground system (assuming you plug the cord into a modern 3-wire outlet). In the worst case, it will blow a fuse or circuit breaker rather than leaving the system a shock hazard. Greg Bogantz - Original Message - From: Philip Carli philip_ca...@pittsford.monroe.edu To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 7:08 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Does anyone know how to make a Jones Motrola _safe_? I have a Jones Motrola I'm trying to rewire, but I read that they can be dangerous in their original ungrounded state? Any ideas on how I can deal with this? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Philip Carli This email message and any attachments may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, you are prohibited from using the information in any way, including but not limited to disclosure of, copying, forwarding or acting in reliance on the contents. If you have received this email by error, please immediately notify me by return email and delete it from your email system. Thank you. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org This email message and any attachments may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, you are prohibited from using the information in any way, including but not limited to disclosure of, copying, forwarding or acting in reliance on the contents. If you have received this email by error, please immediately notify me by return email and delete it from your email system. Thank you. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Does anyone know how to make a Jones Motrola _safe_?
If the case is neutral with respect to the two pronged plug and you ground the case be careful. if you don't have you plug polarized you may blow a fuse and most violent way. Early tools and etc worked w/o benefit of a green ground wire, instead the neutral served that purpose. For a phonograph winder it should be fine. Now if you grab a water pipe and touch the winder and it shocks you your plug is backwards. Turn the wire around. If you don't have any children to test this with use a voltmeter. If you read 110 v reverse the plug. LOL M On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 7:18 PM, Greg Bogantz gbogan...@charter.net wrote: Potmetal can't be soldered, typically. You can use any screw anywhere inside the unit that is electrically connected to the case for the purpose of attaching the green grounding wire. Make sure that your connection point is NOT connected to the motor wiring - test with an ohmmeter. A motor frame screw might be more convenient. The metal motor frame is likely touching the case at some point which is sufficient to provide grounding. Or you can attach the grounding wire by clamping it or in any suitable fashion that provides a decent electrical connection. Test your chosen connection point with an ohmmeter measurement from that point to some outside exposed metal on the case to confirm that it is electrically connected to the case. Greg Bogantz - Original Message - From: Philip Carli Philip_Carli@pittsford. **monroe.edu philip_ca...@pittsford.monroe.edu To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 9:58 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Does anyone know how to make a Jones Motrola _safe_? Would soldering the green wire to the case do as well as a screw? I believe the case is pot metal and tapping it for a screw might shatter the whole thing. Philip Carli __**__ From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] on behalf of Greg Bogantz [gbogan...@charter.net] Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 8:27 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Does anyone know how to make a Jones Motrola _safe_? I believe the Motrola has a metal case. The danger can occur if there is electrical leakage from the internal wiring to the case and its attached metal parts which can occur due to carbonized insulation that can begin to develop a lower resistance. I would recommend first testing with an ohmmeter to determine if there is already leakage from either of the wires leading from the motor to the case. An ohmmeter reading should indicate a very high or infinite resistance from either wire to the case when things are correct. If you measure any significantly lower resistance, the internal wiring will need to be redone or repaired. If there is good isolation from the motor wires to the case, I would recommend replacing the line cord with a modern three-wire cord with a 3-terminal AC plug. Connect the black and white wires to the motor circuit as was done in the original 2-wire cord. Then connect the green wire to a screw on the metal case. This will privide a grounding connection from the case to your household earthing system. If electrical leakage should develop in the future, it will be routed thru the green wire to your household ground system (assuming you plug the cord into a modern 3-wire outlet). In the worst case, it will blow a fuse or circuit breaker rather than leaving the system a shock hazard. Greg Bogantz - Original Message - From: Philip Carli Philip_Carli@pittsford.**monroe.eduphilip_ca...@pittsford.monroe.edu To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 7:08 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Does anyone know how to make a Jones Motrola _safe_? I have a Jones Motrola I'm trying to rewire, but I read that they can be dangerous in their original ungrounded state? Any ideas on how I can deal with this? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Philip Carli __**__ This email message and any attachments may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, you are prohibited from using the information in any way, including but not limited to disclosure of, copying, forwarding or acting in reliance on the contents. If you have received this email by error, please immediately notify me by return email and delete it from your email system. Thank you. __**_ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org __**_ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org __**__ This email message and any attachments may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, you are prohibited from using the information in any way, including but not limited to disclosure of, copying, forwarding or acting in
Re: [Phono-L] Ebay Berliner - Do you think this is legit?
I was gonna hit it but the felt was replacedlol Oldcranky On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 9:19 AM, George Glastris glast...@comcast.netwrote: And it's been on once before from the same seller in Lithuania. He started it as an auction then changed it to Buy It Now at the price you paid. Something smells very fishy...personally, I'd try to cancel the sale now. - Original Message - From: Dennis Back back...@yahoo.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 10:55 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Ebay Berliner - Do you think this is legit? I did a quick google on a phrase from the auction description. Motor is fairly quite for this type of a machine. I found this: http://www.worthpoint.com/**worthopedia/antique-berliner-** phonograph-110489235http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/antique-berliner-phonograph-110489235 The seller's location of Lithuania was not a good sign to begin with. Sorry about the news. Good luck, and keep us informed. Dennis --- On Sun, 1/29/12, Eric Boyles phonosju...@att.net wrote: From: Eric Boyles phonosju...@att.net Subject: [Phono-L] Ebay Berliner - Do you think this is legit? To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sunday, January 29, 2012, 11:27 AM *http://tinyurl.com/7xs7jwf* Ebay auction 170773607299 Full disclosure, I was the winner. I paid via Paypal with a CC so if it is a issue then I have some form or protection. $400 including shipping was worth the risk of fighting over it later. I have a email into the seller. I will ask for the serial number on the reproducer. Eric __**_ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org __**_ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org __**_ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] 1920's-30's Music Source
Here ya go. http://dust-digital.com/index.htm http://dust-digital.com/wind OC (Mike) On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 12:06 PM, Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.comwrote: For some unknown reason, my browser ran the link together with the next line. http://www.ludustonalis.net/Early-Sound--20s-30s-DanceBand.html From: vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 14:45:57 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] 1920's-30's Music Source This is Ballard Doggett's website, where he sells a lot of unusual records of the time - particularly race records: http://www.ludustonalis.net/Early-Sound--20s-30s-DanceBand.htmlThere are some interesting period videos on his website, as well, which makes it worthwhile just for that reason. I have bought a number of records from him and never had any problems - reasonable shipping costs and verywell packed. He's located in San Francisco, in case you need that info. Ballard Doggett's uncle - Ballard Bill Doggett was a black performer back in the day and wrote the songHonky Tonk... check his website out - you might find something you can't live without. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] 1920's-30's Music Source
I forgot, on YouTube. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4F1sd5rK4Afeature=player_embedded Mike On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 1:29 PM, Mike Stitt smst...@gmail.com wrote: Here ya go. http://dust-digital.com/index.htm http://dust-digital.com/wind OC (Mike) On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 12:06 PM, Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.comwrote: For some unknown reason, my browser ran the link together with the next line. http://www.ludustonalis.net/Early-Sound--20s-30s-DanceBand.html From: vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 14:45:57 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] 1920's-30's Music Source This is Ballard Doggett's website, where he sells a lot of unusual records of the time - particularly race records: http://www.ludustonalis.net/Early-Sound--20s-30s-DanceBand.htmlThere are some interesting period videos on his website, as well, which makes it worthwhile just for that reason. I have bought a number of records from him and never had any problems - reasonable shipping costs and verywell packed. He's located in San Francisco, in case you need that info. Ballard Doggett's uncle - Ballard Bill Doggett was a black performer back in the day and wrote the songHonky Tonk... check his website out - you might find something you can't live without. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Victor III Motor Question
Melissa. Did you try raising the drive gear for the gov. above center line? Mike oldcranky On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 4:18 PM, Melissa Ricci riccib...@yahoo.com wrote: Hello Everyone! We were lucky enough to win a nice Victor III at an auction last week. When we got it home it was a typical unrestored machine. Covered in old crusty grease and one governor weight had a broken spring. We took it all apart, cleaned each part thoroughly and ordered and received three new governor springs. We then removed, cleaned, and re-greased both springs and then put it all together again. It looks good but there is a loud knocking sound coming from the drive gear. We have experience with Edison cylinder machines and Victrolas but this is our first outside horn Victor. On closer inspection, it seems the drive gear is disengaging the governor worm gear and then slipping into place causing a loud knock. Here is what we have tried. 1. Adjusted the governor back and forth to mate the gears better. 2. Lubricated the worm gear and drive gear with grease, then oil, then grease and oil. 3. Flipped the drive gear upside down. (as shown in video) 4. Made sure all parts fit properly and move freely. 5. Made sure that no parts of the governor are hitting anything when moving. None of this has worked so here we are asking for anyone's advice. The brass drive gear does not look worn or warped although it sounds like it is. Any ideas would be greatly appreciated! Please see video below to hear it knocking. Please remember that all lubrication is missing in the video to better show the gears and the dive gear is indeed turned upside down but we get the exact same result when it is right side up. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZAOHqKQ1K8 Thank you, Melissa and Nick ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Victor III Motor Question
On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 6:56 PM, Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.comwrote: I can't really tell from the video, but... it appears in the video that the clicking noise occurs at the time when a screw below the gears - on a collar around the shaft - may be sticking out too far and hitting a screw on the governor springs. I can't really tell because of the angle, but if you watch the video, each time the clicking noise happens the screw comes into view... just guessing. Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2011 18:20:59 -0700 From: smst...@gmail.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor III Motor Question Melissa. Did you try raising the drive gear for the gov. above center line? Mike oldcranky On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 4:18 PM, Melissa Ricci riccib...@yahoo.com wrote: Hello Everyone! We were lucky enough to win a nice Victor III at an auction last week. When we got it home it was a typical unrestored machine. Covered in old crusty grease and one governor weight had a broken spring. We took it all apart, cleaned each part thoroughly and ordered and received three new governor springs. We then removed, cleaned, and re-greased both springs and then put it all together again. It looks good but there is a loud knocking sound coming from the drive gear. We have experience with Edison cylinder machines and Victrolas but this is our first outside horn Victor. On closer inspection, it seems the drive gear is disengaging the governor worm gear and then slipping into place causing a loud knock. Here is what we have tried. 1. Adjusted the governor back and forth to mate the gears better. 2. Lubricated the worm gear and drive gear with grease, then oil, then grease and oil. 3. Flipped the drive gear upside down. (as shown in video) 4. Made sure all parts fit properly and move freely. 5. Made sure that no parts of the governor are hitting anything when moving. None of this has worked so here we are asking for anyone's advice. The brass drive gear does not look worn or warped although it sounds like it is. Any ideas would be greatly appreciated! Please see video below to hear it knocking. Please remember that all lubrication is missing in the video to better show the gears and the dive gear is indeed turned upside down but we get the exact same result when it is right side up. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZAOHqKQ1K8 Thank you, Melissa and Nick ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Victor III Motor Question
Melissa, VV, In the first video you see the the screw come around and click. I would move the Gov forward and the drive gear up toward the turntable. I'm gonna guess the ball bearing is intact under the spindle. M On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 6:56 PM, Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.comwrote: I can't really tell from the video, but... it appears in the video that the clicking noise occurs at the time when a screw below the gears - on a collar around the shaft - may be sticking out too far and hitting a screw on the governor springs. I can't really tell because of the angle, but if you watch the video, each time the clicking noise happens the screw comes into view... just guessing. Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2011 18:20:59 -0700 From: smst...@gmail.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor III Motor Question Melissa. Did you try raising the drive gear for the gov. above center line? Mike oldcranky On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 4:18 PM, Melissa Ricci riccib...@yahoo.com wrote: Hello Everyone! We were lucky enough to win a nice Victor III at an auction last week. When we got it home it was a typical unrestored machine. Covered in old crusty grease and one governor weight had a broken spring. We took it all apart, cleaned each part thoroughly and ordered and received three new governor springs. We then removed, cleaned, and re-greased both springs and then put it all together again. It looks good but there is a loud knocking sound coming from the drive gear. We have experience with Edison cylinder machines and Victrolas but this is our first outside horn Victor. On closer inspection, it seems the drive gear is disengaging the governor worm gear and then slipping into place causing a loud knock. Here is what we have tried. 1. Adjusted the governor back and forth to mate the gears better. 2. Lubricated the worm gear and drive gear with grease, then oil, then grease and oil. 3. Flipped the drive gear upside down. (as shown in video) 4. Made sure all parts fit properly and move freely. 5. Made sure that no parts of the governor are hitting anything when moving. None of this has worked so here we are asking for anyone's advice. The brass drive gear does not look worn or warped although it sounds like it is. Any ideas would be greatly appreciated! Please see video below to hear it knocking. Please remember that all lubrication is missing in the video to better show the gears and the dive gear is indeed turned upside down but we get the exact same result when it is right side up. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZAOHqKQ1K8 Thank you, Melissa and Nick ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
[Phono-L] PLAY OLS 1922
A clean (new) Play Ola is this picture. You can keep it, I take the other toys. This shot should be Hi-Def. Good stuff. http://www.shorpy.com/node/5170?size=_original Mike Oldcranky ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Cygnet suspension spring question
John, Wait until you have to tangle with a solid mount cygnet horn! M On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 9:11 AM, john robles john9...@pacbell.net wrote: New as in repro?? My crane is original... From: Barry Kasindorf ba...@barrykasindorf.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, August 6, 2011 8:57 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Cygnet suspension spring question I have a new crane here that is too tall, maybe we can trade. -Barry On 8/6/2011 11:48 AM, john robles wrote: Hello all I recently purchased an original cygnet suspension spring. All of my Cygnet hardware was original with the exception of the spring, so it seemed like a golden opportunity. What I didn't consider was the strength (or lack thereof) of an original spring. It seems this one is weak enough that I have to crank the susension bolt all the way to the bottom in order to have the horn hang correctly, and even then it is putting a little too much pressure on the carriage to the point that records repeat grooves. I use a tizit to help the carriage move freely but even this doesn't help, and shortening the rubber connector wouldn't do much. Here's my question: Would it be blaspemy to cut a few coils off the original spring in order to alleviate the problem? I hate to have spent the money only to have a spring I can't use. The other solution is to get a different crane. I have a number 10 crane, and I read that there were different sized cranes for different options. I am going to be installing a top mount carriage and a model O reproducer, and I understaned there was a Model O crane that was taller than the number 10. Anyone seen one of these? Anyone got a longer lower portion they would trade?? Thanks! John Robles. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Singing bird pistols of 1820
Just take it over to Youtube. It there.. WWW. youtube.com/watch?v=yf5_a_AXivM Join the link back together. oldcranky On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 3:27 PM, harvey kravitz harveykrav...@yahoo.comwrote: Hi Gang I tried to forward the message, but the link won't show up on the email. If you go to Yahoo video and type in Singing bird pistols of 1820, It should come up. It's very interesting to see this. The craftsmanship in amazing. This is the ultimate Automaton or singing bird. Harvey Kravitz ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] A-250 Diamond Disk
Bill, You might give Jerry a call. He is not in California. Oldcranky On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 12:33 PM, b...@taney.com b...@taney.com wrote: Too bad it's all the way in CA, I would like an early A-250 . -- Bill Taney Sent From My iPad On Jul 13, 2011, at 2:19 PM, DeeDee Blais deedeebl...@yahoo.com wrote: I looked at an A-250 Diamond Disk that will be selling at a local auction this Friday. The serial number is 2,xxx and it has the side slots like an Amberola 1-A. I could be delivered to CAPS. If interested or have questions, please give me a call at 541-926-2843 or my cell 541-990-0781. Thanks, Jerry Blais ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Beware of this seller on Ebay
I understand Harvey's frustration but I would agree with Rick. It looked like a pretty damn good deal at $25 bucks. If she would not honor a BIN price that's another story. If you found some odd ball reproducer and put it on eBay and some one told it worth 2-3 times your BIN price would you pull it? I would. Maybe this is yet another case of somebody alerting a seller of this and that. Something I never do but I believe it happens 'cause I've read it here. Sorry about that Harvey it is just the one that got away. Another set will pop up. She should have declined the offer then relisted at the higher price. You wrote she declined the offer and jumped the price. Still within her rights but it would give me heartburn. Mike Oldcranky On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 8:02 PM, Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com wrote: Nope, see this banner. Dirt-Bag seller. This listing was ended by the seller because the item is no longer available. On 07/08/2011 09:07 PM, Steven Medved wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/**260383447532 http://cgi.ebay.com/260383447532 Its back. Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 16:11:27 -0700 From: harveykrav...@yahoo.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Beware of this seller on Ebay I don't know if this is appropriate, but I will post it anyway. I have a Language phone disc machine made by Columbia. I was looking on ebay and found #260383447532. It was a set of books for a Language phone in Spanish dated 1917. I thought this would be a welcome addition to my Language phone machine. The seller's name is blue.moonbooks.and.antiques. I asked the usual questions before I bid. It was a buy it now for $24.95 or obo.. I put in a offer of $20.00 and got a notice that the price jumped up to $55.00 and my offer was declined. I contacted the seller and asked what was going on about the sudden change in price. She told me that she is a business woman and found out before I put in my offer, she reappraised the the value of the books. Needless to say I was pretty pissed off and let her know how angry I was. I haven't heard back from her and I doubt if I ever will. I know I will get a lot of flak saying that it's still her item and she can do what ever they want with it. I guess i'm trying to say,a person's word is thier most valuable asset. To me it is worth more than all the phonographs and riches in the world. The lesson I learned from this is phonographs are only a hobby, it's not worth getting mad at, and to move on. Also, I know to stay away from this seller. Thank you all for hearing me out. Before I forget, I checked the listing again and it was pulled. Harvey Kravitz __**_ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org __**_ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org __**_ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] cylinder speed tester
I guess my old age is showing through. Do you have lines on the back rod? Stroboscopes are out there. Given that many early cylinders were recorded at various speeds it may be a moot point on all but later records. I do it by ear but I have a tin ear and am always happy. Was there a strobe in the back of Eric Reiss' book on phonograph repair? Mike Oldcranky On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 10:41 AM, Norman Bruderhofer phonol...@cylinder.dewrote: Hi Mike, You are certainly thinking of a laser techometer. These have become so cheap, that I can recommend to anyone as a useful tool. I bought my first one about five years ago for approx. $100, now they're down to as low as $12. I have one of these cheapos too. It has the same precision as my expensive one. You may want to consider this one: http://cgi.ebay.com/**150600097532http://cgi.ebay.com/150600097532 And you don't need a special reflective tape, plain white paper will also work fine. Works also great with disc machines and modern turntables. Best, Norman On 06.07.2011 08:00, mdsor...@aol.com wrote: Hello everyone, Sometime about a year ago, there was discussion on phono-l about a way to test cylinder speed using an electronic instrument that could be cheaply found on ebay. Anyone remember what this was? I meant to buy one at the time, but lost all of the information. Any help is appreciated! Mike Sorter __**_ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org -- Sent from my Thunderbird OpenSource Mail Client __**_ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] cylinder speed tester
So Steve how do the timing marks on the back rod compare to the laser? On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 1:45 PM, Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com wrote: Al, If you have ever been able to use those cylinder strobes you are much better than I ever was. The laser tachometers works very well. My one was right on, the other one was off by 1 rpm, but my DD that was at 76. Those rings are 1 6/10's of an inch apart and most machines do not have them. Steve With those Damn Curly Cue light bulbs, strobes dont work any more. You may want to consider this one: http://cgi.ebay.com/**150600097532http://cgi.ebay.com/150600097532 And you don't need a special reflective tape, plain white paper will also work fine. Works also great with disc machines and modern turntables. Best, Norman On 06.07.2011 08:00, mdsor...@aol.com wrote: Hello everyone, Sometime about a year ago, there was discussion on phono-l about a way to test cylinder speed using an electronic instrument that could be cheaply found on ebay. Anyone remember what this was? I meant to buy one at the time, but lost all of the information. Any help is appreciated! Mike Sorter __**_ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org -- Sent from my Thunderbird OpenSource Mail Client __**_ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Kotton Cleanser / New Life Wood Conditioner technique advice
I would agree with John but in old age became lazy. I use Go-Jo hand cleaner as a substitute, cheap too. Mike Oldcranky On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 8:50 PM, john robles john9...@pacbell.net wrote: I swear by Kotton Klenser. It is great for removing nicotine from finishes. I have had some dark finishes come out as golden oak after cleaning! It is safe on the decal but don't use TOO much pressure. I generally use it with steel wool and a gentle circular motion. Then wipe it off with a clean cloth. Get it all out of the nooks and crannies because it sort of stinks for a few days if you don't! Then I follow it off with a good Howard's beeswax finish. John Robles --- On Wed, 5/25/11, William Taney b...@taney.com wrote: From: William Taney b...@taney.com Subject: [Phono-L] Kotton Cleanser / New Life Wood Conditioner technique advice To: phonol...@yahoogroups.com, Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Wednesday, May 25, 2011, 8:46 PM What would the recommendation be for cleaning up a cabinet the clearly does not warrent refinishing but is dirty and a bit alligatored and darkened? It is an Edison cylinder machine. Also what do you do about the banner, are these safe on the decals? Also which of these two is the better and less destructive.. Bill ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] You gotta love this... Museum Quality Black Patti Record
Good morning again all, Found the last name. It is The Record Ranger. Richard Tussey. It 's public. I knew he was near St. Louis. This is odd as Richard knows what these are worth. He has very poor eye sight so one not prone to fishing. I split a label collection with him years ago. Other than a few very hard to get labels he has, I have them too. I would sell them all for the price of just one of those records. Mike Oldcranky On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 7:06 AM, Mike Stitt smst...@gmail.com wrote: Good moring all. Al I'm waking up and drinking coffee; so I don't see a last name. A Portland collector did move to Missouri some years back. The Record Ranger. I'll leave his last name out of it but this doesn't seem his style. Lived off of MLK Blvd. You could hardly walk around in the old house, straining to stay up right under the load. Al missed you at Salem. Would have liked to see yo. Next time. Mike Oldcranky On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 6:00 AM, Albert cen...@comcast.net wrote: Very strange, he has tons of feedback and every record sold for exactly the same amount, $24.99. Portland Collectors, notice this guys last name. Several years back there was an obsessive record collector here in Portland, entire home, floor to ceiling 78's, Same last name! - Original Message - From: bruce78...@comcast.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 5:59 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] You gotta love this... Museum Quality Black Patti Record Yes and here is another absolute bargain on an early Improved Gramophone Record, by the same seller. There are loads of bargains like this offered by this World Renown Collector of Museum Quality Records.!! Scanning through his listings is loads of cheap fun !! http://cgi.ebay.com/78-RPM-MUSEUM-QUALITY-1901-IMPROVED-GRAMOPHONE-NO-GRADE-/390307006718?pt=Music_on_Vinylhash=item5ae01c48fe - Original Message - From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 8:06:10 PM Subject: [Phono-L] You gotta love this... Museum Quality Black Patti Record http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=390314782882ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123#ht_531wt_905 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] You gotta love this... Museum Quality Black Patti Record
Good moring all. Al I'm waking up and drinking coffee; so I don't see a last name. A Portland collector did move to Missouri some years back. The Record Ranger. I'll leave his last name out of it but this doesn't seem his style. Lived off of MLK Blvd. You could hardly walk around in the old house, straining to stay up right under the load. Al missed you at Salem. Would have liked to see yo. Next time. Mike Oldcranky On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 6:00 AM, Albert cen...@comcast.net wrote: Very strange, he has tons of feedback and every record sold for exactly the same amount, $24.99. Portland Collectors, notice this guys last name. Several years back there was an obsessive record collector here in Portland, entire home, floor to ceiling 78's, Same last name! - Original Message - From: bruce78...@comcast.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 5:59 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] You gotta love this... Museum Quality Black Patti Record Yes and here is another absolute bargain on an early Improved Gramophone Record, by the same seller. There are loads of bargains like this offered by this World Renown Collector of Museum Quality Records.!! Scanning through his listings is loads of cheap fun !! http://cgi.ebay.com/78-RPM-MUSEUM-QUALITY-1901-IMPROVED-GRAMOPHONE-NO-GRADE-/390307006718?pt=Music_on_Vinylhash=item5ae01c48fe - Original Message - From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 8:06:10 PM Subject: [Phono-L] You gotta love this... Museum Quality Black Patti Record http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=390314782882ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123#ht_531wt_905 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Rooster Pic
Can't see the rooster, don't want to see the rooster. I use Picaso and make web albums. Just want to see Easter bunnies. Oldcranky On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 8:53 PM, Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com wrote: It has been inadvertently MACified. On 04/24/2011 07:58 PM, Darrell Lehman wrote: Only if you can open an obj file - which some can't... Vinyl Visions wrote: Perfecto... Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 14:13:15 -0500 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org From: na...@78rpm.com Subject: [Phono-L] Rooster Pic I'm not sure how to post a picture to the list, but am attaching on with this email. We'll see what happens. -- ATTACHMENT -- **An Attachment Was Scrubbed** Name: Rooster_1.jpg Type: application/octet-stream Size: 735660 bytes URL: http://oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/attachments/20110420/fedcc5a0/attachment.obj -- ATTACHMENT -- Kurt Nauck c/o Nauck's Vintage Records 22004 Sherrod Ln. Spring, TX 77389 Website: www.78rpm.com E-Mail: na...@78rpm.com www.newpledge.org www.mdada.org Phone: (281) 288-7826 Fax: (425) 930-6862 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real?
Wow what a thread. I have a beautiful branded case gem, mint even with the recorder. I also have some decals from the 50's that are flowers. I'm willing to paint the whole thing black and add the flowers to the case and horn. I will throw in a very early Edison Gem horn that has no decal but Edison's script signature, like I said early. I will be careful applying the old water slide decals to the case and horn. I can add a bit of gold pin striping. I was thinking a satin black on the lid. Any offers? Now I'm not serious of course it's just too nice a Gem. Just making a subtle point. Done today horrifying, done fifty years ago double or triple the money? Now to be fair I collect many things I do appreciate age/value. I even have some folk art. Mike Oldcranky. On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 10:21 PM, Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com wrote: My 0.02 is on a early 50s antique shop with a big pile of these to move out for 15.00ea original and $20.00 decorated. On 04/09/2011 10:13 PM, Steven Medved wrote: Body and case are wood, painted black. Edison did not paint cases and lids black, especially covering his trademark decal on the lid. This did not come from the factory like that. From: vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 11:20:57 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real? I found an auction for an Edison GEM, with rose flowered horn and decorated case which matches and appears to be old... Question: did Edison ever produce a machine with a flowered case to match the horn - seller claims it to be VERY rare? eBay Item number: 230604577714 http://cgi.ebay.com/Edison-Gem-Phonograph-Rose-Flower-Horn-Case-Very-Rare_W0QQitemZ230604577714QQcategoryZ38029QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp4340.m1374QQ_trkparmsZalgo%3DPI%26its%3DC%26itu%3DUCC%26otn%3D5%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D8335346353050994345 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real?
Ward an interesting comment. How would the seller know that? On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 11:21 AM, Ward Sandstrom w...@bis.midco.net wrote: I contacted the seller days ago and he said that as far as he knows the paint was applied at the factory. He didn't put my question and his answer back in his auction. Ward S. - Original Message - From: Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 12:09 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real? Some of these enhancements were done in the early 50s, and during the depression to improve mail order saleability of used phonos. To tell what you are looking at you would have to be doing paint analysis to date it. Does not realy look Factory though. On 04/09/2011 11:23 AM, Steve Andersen wrote: I believe it was not done at the factory. Usually the factory would put special guilt on the casting, not the case. Either a jobber or an artistic owner did this. Steve On Apr 9, 2011, at 11:20 AM, Vinyl Visions wrote: I found an auction for an Edison GEM, with rose flowered horn and decorated case which matches and appears to be old... Question: did Edison ever produce a machine with a flowered case to match the horn - seller claims it to be VERY rare? eBay Item number:230604577714 http://cgi.ebay.com/Edison-Gem-Phonograph-Rose-Flower-Horn-Case-Very-Rare_W0QQitemZ230604577714QQcategoryZ38029QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp4340.m1374QQ_trkparmsZalgo%3DPI%26its%3DC%26itu%3DUCC%26otn%3D5%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D8335346353050994345 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real?
My response as to how does he know it's factory was tongue in cheek. When I hear stuff like that or only 3 know to exist I always ask or think who told you that. I remember hearing only three of these phongraphs exist. I smiled and thought well I have one, that makes 4. I didn't say it tho' Mike Oldcranky On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 7:50 PM, john robles john9...@pacbell.net wrote: So true about the rarity factor on ebay. Yesterday someone had a Victrola 50 on there listed as very old and rare, and it was priced at $1,700.00. Never mind that there are three others on ebay right now priced at around $350.00... John --- On Sat, 4/9/11, Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com wrote: From: Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real? To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Saturday, April 9, 2011, 7:28 PM He is also correct, it is original paint. It is not a copy of paint, it is original paint right out of a can and/or tube, and it is old. Now how old is not defined. To some 10 years is old to others one thousand is young. He is not claiming that this decoration was applied contemporaneously by Edison, he is just leaving the gullible to make that assumption. As the clear coat finish is cracked it was not done last week though. Everything on eBay is RARE L@@K! On 04/09/2011 07:44 PM, Vinyl Visions wrote: Mike, the reason that the seller knows that is obvious in his statement: Like most eBay items it starts with a statement of authenticity: Extremely rare! Body and case are wood, painted black, with gold trim on base and rose flowers and daisy on case. I have been collecting antiques for over forty years from coast to coast. This is the only one I have ever seen. So this is how he knows the paint is original: HE has NEVER seen one. :) Neither has anyone else, so maybe there is a reason for that... it is a one-off previous owner painted machine. It could have been painted by the original owner, shortly after it left the factory and the paint would be period authentic - 100 + yrs. old. The thing that looked non-factory, is that the flower design on the horn and the flower design on the case, were similar but not the same design/style. The horn had the same gold scroll work added as on the base - not a difficult task for an artist. Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 11:55:15 -0700 From: smst...@gmail.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real? Ward an interesting comment. How would the seller know that? On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 11:21 AM, Ward Sandstromw...@bis.midco.net wrote: I contacted the seller days ago and he said that as far as he knows the paint was applied at the factory. He didn't put my question and his answer back in his auction. Ward S. - Original Message - From: Richrich-m...@octoxol.com To: Antique Phonograph Listphono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 12:09 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real? Some of these enhancements were done in the early 50s, and during the depression to improve mail order saleability of used phonos. To tell what you are looking at you would have to be doing paint analysis to date it. Does not realy look Factory though. On 04/09/2011 11:23 AM, Steve Andersen wrote: I believe it was not done at the factory. Usually the factory would put special guilt on the casting, not the case. Either a jobber or an artistic owner did this. Steve On Apr 9, 2011, at 11:20 AM, Vinyl Visions wrote: I found an auction for an Edison GEM, with rose flowered horn and decorated case which matches and appears to be old... Question: did Edison ever produce a machine with a flowered case to match the horn - seller claims it to be VERY rare? eBay Item number:230604577714 http://cgi.ebay.com/Edison-Gem-Phonograph-Rose-Flower-Horn-Case-Very-Rare_W0QQitemZ230604577714QQcategoryZ38029QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp4340.m1374QQ_trkparmsZalgo%3DPI%26its%3DC%26itu%3DUCC%26otn%3D5%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D8335346353050994345 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] BLACK PATTI RECORDS
I've been looking for on over 20 years. I have many scarce records and labels, from 2 Decca's to a 7' paper label American Vitaphone. No BP tho'. Mike On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 6:39 AM, phonofo...@aol.com wrote: These recorded are valuable espeically the race recordings. There were some common of the day recordings recorded on the Black Patti, such as Dalhart, that are of lesser value than the race records. A few years back one of the 78RPM journals did a story on all the Black Patti records. -Original Message- From: Glenn Longwell majesticrec...@snet.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Fri, Feb 25, 2011 6:46 am Subject: Re: [Phono-L] BLACK PATTI RECORDS Yes, they are very common and not valuable at all. Please send to me. Ok, just kidding. Black Patti was pressed by Starr Piano (Gennett) for Chicago ecord Company, which was started by Mayo Williams. It was a race record abel. It only existed for about 6 months in 1927 and had only 54 releases. uantities were small so the records are fairly rare and valuable. lenn rom: zonophone2...@aol.com zonophone2...@aol.com o: phono-l@oldcrank.org ent: Fri, February 25, 2011 5:22:35 AM ubject: [Phono-L] BLACK PATTI RECORDS HI S ANYONE FRAMILIAR WITH BLACK PATTI RECORDS AND THE RELATIVE VALUE HANKS ONO __ hono-L mailing list ttp://phono-l.oldcrank.org __ hono-L mailing list ttp://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Black Patti record
Nope. I wish tho' I'm a big skunk and would have grabbed it right out of your hand if one was there. I think back then I could out run you. There was a Black Swan and some Paramounts. Mike On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 2:55 PM, DeeDee Blais deedeebl...@yahoo.com wrote: Mike, Didn't we find a Black Patti record in Corvallis at a garage sale on our way to a anniversary party for Dottie Ira? Jerry ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Timing your cylinder phonograph the Dazer way works great on disc machines
An interesting thread. We know that brown wax speeds vary considerably. Even early discs varied. Later production cylinders settled in to a standard speed but how consistent would that be..? Some manufacturers may have been more diligent than others trying to achieve such consistency. It all may be a moot point really that you have the speed dialed in to such accuracy but it is an interesting topic. Mike Oldcranky On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 10:05 AM, Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com wrote: GrnMountianBill, Thanks, disc machines are nice to time that way, I like having the tool. Steve Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 11:53:42 -0500 From: rochr...@gmail.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Timing your cylinder phonograph the Dazer way works great on disc machines Steven: All four of my old machines were off (three cylinder machines and a DD) but I tend to like records played a little slower than some people because, in particular, I think the voices sound more natural at slower speeds. I recently got a little support for my theory when I read the story 1920s Jazz at 78rpm? in Sandy Brown Jazz ( http://www.sandybrownjazz.co.uk/whatsnew.html). I may not be nuts after all. I cut a tiny piece of white sticky paper to attach to the mandrels and turntable for the device to read. I also checked my modern electric turntables just to see if they are running at the correct speeds. They were pretty close at their fixed speeds; even my old broadcast table on which I play 16 transcriptions. One additional benefit of this device is that the Numark turntable, with which I play most of my 78s, has a variable speed control but it is marked in percentage, not rpm. So it is now easy for me to find 76 rpm and 80rpm. I still think that these standard speeds are too fast for some records, particularly those made before about 1912. GrnMountianBill On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 10:49 AM, Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com wrote: GrnMountainBill You are 100% correct, I saw this one on amazon but I did not realize it was the same as the one on eBay. Thanks for the post. Have you used yours and how far off was your machines? On the cylinder machines I set the device on the rail and I use one record with the sticker on it. Whiteout works, I have one DD record with a crack, I marked the end of the crack with whiteout to protect my needle and it picked it up. Thanks, Steve Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 10:02:44 -0500 From: rochr...@gmail.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Timing your cylinder phonograph the Dazer way works great on disc machines Steve: I found mine on Amazon for much less: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B001N4QY66/ref=asc_df_B001N4QY661415145?smid=AFLT987H7WA7Gtag=dealtmp4800-20linkCode=asncreative=395105creativeASIN=B001N4QY66 GrnMountainBill On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 9:00 AM, Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com wrote: Hello Cylinder Phono owners, Are you tired of using those hard to read strobes for your cylinder player or the dreaded count the piece of paper hitting your finger? If so you can measure the RPM's with the: Wood/Metal Lathe Digital LCD Tachometer RPM Tool/Guage (how the eBay seller spelled it) Neither Dave or I are selling them but they work incredibly well. Dave told me about them and I am sharing them with you. Up until now I used my ear to time my cylinder phonos. My triumph was right on, my standard was 1.5 rpm high and my DD was low. Those of you with hundreds of machines can have hours of fun. http://shop.ebay.com/?_from=R40_trksid=m570_nkw=Wood%2FMetal+Lathe+Digital+LCD+Tachometer+RPM+Tool%2FGuage http://tinyurl.com/632kqad Steve ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Brain cramp!!!!
They don't call them indestructible for nothing. Oldcranky On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 10:58 AM, Darrell Lehman nickja...@gmail.comwrote: I should know this but I can't come up with a confident answer can one play Col/Indestructible celluloid cyls on an Amberola? Please don't laugh too long - you'll be old someday too!!! thanks, Darrell ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Brain cramp!!!!
You can play 2 min on them. They'll skip a lot. M On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 1:32 PM, john9...@pacbell.net wrote: You mean those white Lamberts? Once the pink is all. Scratched off! John -Original Message- From: Mike Stitt smst...@gmail.com Sender: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 13:20:06 To: Antique Phonograph Listphono-l@oldcrank.org Reply-To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Brain cramp So you gonna play those Pink Lamberts on those Amberolas?lol. I do have a Indestructible reproducer in a box somewhere around the house.4 Min tho' Mike oldcranky On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 11:14 AM, rkolba0...@aol.com wrote: I'm already old. The 4 minute Indestructibles can be played on an Amberola. Only th early 1A or 1B upright Amberolas had the ability to play both 2 and 4 minute records. The 2 minute Indestructibles will play on any machine with a 2 minute speed and a 2 minute reproducer. Hope this helps.. In a message dated 1/31/2011 1:58:39 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, nickja...@gmail.com writes: I should know this but I can't come up with a confident answer can one play Col/Indestructible celluloid cyls on an Amberola? Please don't laugh too long - you'll be old someday too!!! thanks, Darrell ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] 2011 and Edison
From the Model T forums. Edison view of the future 100 years into the future. Miami Herald 1911. http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/179374/186597.html?1296314129 Mike Oldcranky ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] $6100.01 Edison Standard Phonograph
Well I won't argue the seller did good. I would argue that description and photos help but six times the money? Welcome to the world of eBay. I am to lazy to look it up and don't remember but would that machine come with an H reproducer? I don't think so. I posted to that earlier. Would it come with a Triumph horn? Maybe My point is in Oldcranky world for 5/6 times the money it has to be correct. Perhaps it is but the H is a problem. IMHO. Good for him. There is an F standard kicking around my area but sadly refinished, but has an S on it if I remember correctly. I could pick it up if anyone wantsI'll need a thousand dollars for my time so 2K ought to do it. Hey I bet the seller will chip in a hundred for me when I offer him $1000. LOL. we've seen this all before. Remember the lady buying DD at crazy prices. He found a honey hole that's all. Mike Oldcranky On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 7:21 AM, Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com wrote: I think that the detailed description is one of the keys to successful selling on e-bay. I have never had the knack of doing that. = Lightfoot IA was an eBay seller with good feedback. He would take common 2 minute Edison gold molded records and sell them at $30 to $40 each. He was able to do this because of the ad, he told about the artists, the record, when it was made, the weather that day, by the time you read his ad you wanted that record. Records with low catalog numbers like 7 or 40 he pointed this out and they went high. On eBay the ad makes a big difference and with phono items you have to start the price low to get people to bid. Firebottles is a pro at what he does, I have written him several times and I have always gotten a courteous reply. I'll bet he had to sit down when he saw the final price. I do know of machines that have been bid up high and the buyer backed out. About five years ago some bozo put a standard A on eBay. This guy was not a collector or anyone we know. He was an antique dealer and the standard he was selling was so worn that it had absolutely no pinstriping at all and came with a dismal looking horn. He said this machine was mint and in all his 30 years as an antique dealer he had never seen one better and it sold for $750.00 to someone who had probably never seen a standard before. I have purchased a blank weight C on eBay for $80, it had no ad and the photos were poor, I bid the starting offer and was amazed I won. With a good ad and photos it would have gone for over $200 at the time. Steve ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] $6100.01 Edison Standard Phonograph
It is a nice machine with an elven panel horn. No S? Heck I was good for $750.00, well maybe...How about a K.. Mike Oldcranky On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 7:07 PM, john robles john9...@pacbell.net wrote: I didn't wanna say that...but I agree. --- On Tue, 1/25/11, Steve Andersen ander...@tampabay.rr.com wrote: From: Steve Andersen ander...@tampabay.rr.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] $6100.01 Edison Standard Phonograph To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Tuesday, January 25, 2011, 7:01 PM I have been watching Firebottles auctions for 3 years. The seller's machines all have the same identical finish and luster on them. In my opinion, he resprays them. His auctions always bring values which are way our of line and the bidding historys have a pattern of the same person upping their bids several times near the end. If it looks like a duck... On Jan 25, 2011, at 9:52 PM, harvey kravitz wrote: I also followed this auction. I made a couple of posts in another forum on this topic. I can't believe how high this went. I can't sell a Standard for $300.00. Go figure. That seller must be laughing all the way to the bank. For that kind of money, you can get an Edison Opera.or a Victor VI. Harvey Kravitz From: Jay Horenstein jay.horenst...@gmail.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Tue, January 25, 2011 6:42:12 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] $6100.01 Edison Standard Phonograph I didn't watch this auction..why did it command such a high price? On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 5:58 PM, Tim Gray timsanti...@northstate.net wrote: Wow! At least I know it was a honest auction. I have bought a couple of nice machines from the seller. I live 30 minutes from him and picked them up. He allowed me to see some of his other machines and big radio collection. his items are always very nice and they bring better than average prices. Tim http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrt=ncnma=trueitem=190474888084 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Porsche 356
Sooo Jerry, did you sell the 356 and keep the VW diesel rabbit? Inquiring minds want to know. Mike Oldcranky On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 9:17 AM, Jan and Harold dynawh...@shaw.ca wrote: I couldn't agree with you more Jerry. My ex had one. I loved driving that car. Some people called it a glorified VW, but it had power galore! There were a number of times that guys came over and opened the car door for me when I drove that carI knew it wasn't me because it never happened once when I drove the old Toyota :) Jan Victoria BC On 2011-01-21, at 9:57 PM, DeeDee Blais wrote: I was going to let this British car stuff run its course but I can't help myself. You have not driven a car until you've experienced a Porsche 356. The car begged to be driven. When it turned 90,000 miles we drove it 90 mph and it wanted to go faster. It started every time and you didn't need to keep AAA on the speed dial. It did mark its spot in the garage but that was a small price to pay. Jerry Blais ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] MG
I agree Rich. It is clearly marked and it is just friends talking. The mod is very hands off. That is what makes this list so nice. BTW, they'll still walk by your sports car to see my T, lol. Mike oldcranky On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 7:51 PM, Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com wrote: It hurts nothing as it is clearly marked as to subject. Some people need to lighten up a bit. On 01/23/2011 09:45 PM, Ron L'Herault wrote: sorry. It really should have been taken off-list. At least there are lots of car-related records although I don't know of any that mention British sports cars. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of tuban...@aol.com Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2011 10:04 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] MG OK boys, I'm outa here. If you can't keep the rant kinda phono related I don't need to wade thru all the CAR talk. They do have forums for that. Don ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] MG
Well make that all of those sports cars![?] Mike On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 9:09 PM, Mike Stitt smst...@gmail.com wrote: I agree Rich. It is clearly marked and it is just friends talking. The mod is very hands off. That is what makes this list so nice. BTW, they'll still walk by your sports car to see my T, lol. Mike oldcranky On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 7:51 PM, Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com wrote: It hurts nothing as it is clearly marked as to subject. Some people need to lighten up a bit. On 01/23/2011 09:45 PM, Ron L'Herault wrote: sorry. It really should have been taken off-list. At least there are lots of car-related records although I don't know of any that mention British sports cars. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of tuban...@aol.com Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2011 10:04 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] MG OK boys, I'm outa here. If you can't keep the rant kinda phono related I don't need to wade thru all the CAR talk. They do have forums for that. Don ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] MG
Yep and they can both break your arm. Jerry Blais cranked her right over but he has sooo many phonographs that his right arm looks like Popeye. Now on the other hand the T has an electric starter and how many of those electric phonograph winders pop up. You know the ones that hang on the side of the machine with a chain wrapped around the phonographs leg. Now that is how it's done Model t style. I recorded all the Laurel and Hardy's on TCM, in one episode Ollie tells Stan to change the radio. He pulls on a ring in the dash and nothing. They pull the Model T over. Stan hops out and winds a zonophone (Concert Grand?) up, sets the needle and brake. Hops in the car, they drive off and Stan pulls the ring. The screen shot goes to the brake with string tied to it, the music begins... Nice Universal decal. Now we have come full circle, cars and phonographs. I knew we could do it. Mike Oldcranky And yes I have the record When Henry Ford Apologized to Me. Get out and get under! On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 9:13 PM, Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com wrote: Mike, Your T and your TAE phonos both have cranks, don't they? Steve Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 21:09:58 -0800 From: smst...@gmail.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] MG I agree Rich. It is clearly marked and it is just friends talking. The mod is very hands off. That is what makes this list so nice. BTW, they'll still walk by your sports car to see my T, lol. Mike oldcranky On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 7:51 PM, Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com wrote: It hurts nothing as it is clearly marked as to subject. Some people need to lighten up a bit. On 01/23/2011 09:45 PM, Ron L'Herault wrote: sorry. It really should have been taken off-list. At least there are lots of car-related records although I don't know of any that mention British sports cars. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of tuban...@aol.com Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2011 10:04 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] MG OK boys, I'm outa here. If you can't keep the rant kinda phono related I don't need to wade thru all the CAR talk. They do have forums for that. Don ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Edison Purple Cylinders Wanted
On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 11:48 AM, rkolba0...@aol.com wrote: I have been told that the journey is more interesting than the destination.Well, I've been on this journey for too many years and now I'm seeking help so I can complete my collection of Edison Purple cylinders in the 29000 series. I am only lacking 29055 and 29077. Any help would be most appreciated. Bob Kolba _rkolba0211@aol._ (mailto:rkolba0211@aol.x) com ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org Bob, As I'm old and don't want to dig books out and I remember titles better than numbers, what would the titles be? Just helping you cast a bigger net. I have lots of purples, somewhere. oldcranky ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] MG
I owned a TR 2. Powered with a great Massy Ferguson engine. A tractor powered sports car. Gotta love the English. Oldcranky On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 1:58 AM, zonophone2...@aol.com wrote: now mine was a tr 2 a lot lot more power and the same fun stuff In a message dated 1/20/2011 6:14:09 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, rich-m...@octoxol.com writes: Don't forget the ultra scarce TB either. Those are 19 wire wheels and used 4.50/5.00x19 tires. On 01/20/2011 05:06 PM, Vinyl Visions wrote: an MG-TD, my ultimate dream car I love them too, but a TA, TC or TF would definitely fill the bill. I actually think I like the built in headlights of the TF better and what about the large wire wheels of the TA and TC? Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 11:48:43 -0800 From: majesticrec...@snet.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] New Phonogram Well, if you're going to drag in the MG jokes... Q. Why do people in England drink their beer warm? A. Because their refrigerators are powered by Lucas. Boy, would I love to have an MG-TD, my ultimate dream car. Perhaps after I find that large collection of E condition Robert Johnson Vocalions, Son House Paramounts, etc. Glenn From: Richrich-m...@octoxol.com To: Antique Phonograph Listphono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thu, January 20, 2011 2:24:59 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] New Phonogram If there is no puddle of oil under the machine then it is out of oil and you need to add some. 1938 MG-TA leaked like a sieve. On 01/20/2011 01:08 PM, Greg Bogantz wrote: Well, the English must have eventually figgered it out. As a biker and with a brother who still owns a 1970 Norton Commando, I know what you're saying. When I was in the engineering lab at RCA Records, we purchased from England an EMI record testing machine that contained a Garrard 401 turntable, sometime in the late 1970s. I took the tester apart to check on something (which wasn't working, of course) and just busted out laughing when I spied a puddle of oil underneath the platter bearing, pooled on the bottom pan of the cabinet. Yep, it's English all right. I called all my biker buddies over to have a look at it, and we all had a good laugh over it. Greg Bogantz - Original Message - From: William Zucca rochr...@gmail.com To: Antique Phonograph Listphono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 12:46 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] New Phonogram Did you hear the one about why there was never a successful phonograph industry in England? (answer:) Because they couldn't figure out how to make the machines break down and start leaking oil every week. Ha Ha, GrnMountain Bill On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 12:32 PM,john9...@pacbell.net wrote: Did you hear about the dyslexic anorexic? She never thought she was fat enough. -Original Message- From: Tom Jordantom...@msn.com Sender: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 11:25:25 To: 'Antique Phonograph List'phono-l@oldcrank.org Reply-To: Antique Phonograph Listphono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] New Phonogram I can't help it! :0) Did you hear about the dyslexic atheist? He laid awake at night wondering Is there a dog? -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Peter Fraser Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 11:00 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] New Phonogram Dog is my copilot! Sent from my iPhone -- Peter pjfra...@mac.com On Jan 20, 2011, at 2:48 AM, john roblesjohn9...@pacbell.net wrote: No rush..my god passed away and left me with $1600 in vet bills...my phono purchases have sort of taken a downturn for the moment... Thanks John --- On Wed, 1/19/11, D P Ingramdar...@ingram.fi wrote: From: D P Ingramdar...@ingram.fi Subject: Re: [Phono-L] New Phonogram To: Antique Phonograph Listphono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Wednesday, January 19, 2011, 9:28 PM Hi. Still looking. Not found any (duplicates yet) but am sorting out our duplicate holdings so found a lot more other stuff (phono, gram, radio ) :) Best, Darren ¦ D P Ingram ¦ Ab Ingram Oy ¦ ¦ darren at ingram.fi ¦ www.ingram.fi ¦ ¦ ¦ MUSIC LIBRARY FINLAND - www.musiclibrary.fi ¦ ¦ +358 6 781 0275 (FIN) ¦ extn 8001 ¦ On 31 dec 2010, at 19.05, john robles wrote: Thank you Darren, no hurry. John --- On Fri, 12/31/10, D P Ingramdar...@ingram.fi wrote: From: D P Ingramdar...@ingram.fi Subject: Re: [Phono-L] New Phonogram To: Antique Phonograph Listphono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Friday, December 31, 2010, 8:27 AM Possibly a couple but I cannot check for a day or two
Re: [Phono-L] New Phonogram
Did you hear about dyslexic, agoraphobic-agnostic? Wouldn't leave his room contemplating the existence of dog... On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 9:46 AM, William Zucca rochr...@gmail.com wrote: Did you hear the one about why there was never a successful phonograph industry in England? (answer:) Because they couldn't figure out how to make the machines break down and start leaking oil every week. Ha Ha, GrnMountain Bill On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 12:32 PM, john9...@pacbell.net wrote: Did you hear about the dyslexic anorexic? She never thought she was fat enough. -Original Message- From: Tom Jordan tom...@msn.com Sender: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 11:25:25 To: 'Antique Phonograph List'phono-l@oldcrank.org Reply-To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] New Phonogram I can't help it! :0) Did you hear about the dyslexic atheist? He laid awake at night wondering Is there a dog? -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Peter Fraser Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 11:00 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] New Phonogram Dog is my copilot! Sent from my iPhone -- Peter pjfra...@mac.com On Jan 20, 2011, at 2:48 AM, john robles john9...@pacbell.net wrote: No rush..my god passed away and left me with $1600 in vet bills...my phono purchases have sort of taken a downturn for the moment... Thanks John --- On Wed, 1/19/11, D P Ingram dar...@ingram.fi wrote: From: D P Ingram dar...@ingram.fi Subject: Re: [Phono-L] New Phonogram To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Wednesday, January 19, 2011, 9:28 PM Hi. Still looking. Not found any (duplicates yet) but am sorting out our duplicate holdings so found a lot more other stuff (phono, gram, radio ) :) Best, Darren ¦ D P Ingram ¦ Ab Ingram Oy ¦ ¦ darren at ingram.fi ¦ www.ingram.fi ¦ ¦ ¦ MUSIC LIBRARY FINLAND - www.musiclibrary.fi ¦ ¦ +358 6 781 0275 (FIN) ¦ extn 8001 ¦ On 31 dec 2010, at 19.05, john robles wrote: Thank you Darren, no hurry. John --- On Fri, 12/31/10, D P Ingram dar...@ingram.fi wrote: From: D P Ingram dar...@ingram.fi Subject: Re: [Phono-L] New Phonogram To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Friday, December 31, 2010, 8:27 AM Possibly a couple but I cannot check for a day or two until after the holiday. Darren ¦ D P Ingram ¦ Ab Ingram Oy ¦ ¦ darren at ingram.fi ¦ www.ingram.fi ¦ ¦ ¦ MUSIC LIBRARY FINLAND - www.musiclibrary.fi ¦ ¦ +358 6 781 0275 (FIN) ¦ extn 8001 ¦ On 31 dec 2010, at 14.23, john robles wrote: Does anyone have copies of the New Phonogram available for sale?? Repros are acceptable. Thanks John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] New Phonogram
As we digress, I own a Model T. Holds 4 quarts of oil. To change the oil you add 4 quarts, 2 quarts leak out immediately, add another three. When the leaking stops you will have 4 quarts in the car. The road is never dusty, that why in a Model T you can't make dust or eat dust. Oldcranky On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 11:24 AM, Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com wrote: If there is no puddle of oil under the machine then it is out of oil and you need to add some. 1938 MG-TA leaked like a sieve. On 01/20/2011 01:08 PM, Greg Bogantz wrote: Well, the English must have eventually figgered it out. As a biker and with a brother who still owns a 1970 Norton Commando, I know what you're saying. When I was in the engineering lab at RCA Records, we purchased from England an EMI record testing machine that contained a Garrard 401 turntable, sometime in the late 1970s. I took the tester apart to check on something (which wasn't working, of course) and just busted out laughing when I spied a puddle of oil underneath the platter bearing, pooled on the bottom pan of the cabinet. Yep, it's English all right. I called all my biker buddies over to have a look at it, and we all had a good laugh over it. Greg Bogantz - Original Message - From: William Zucca rochr...@gmail.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 12:46 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] New Phonogram Did you hear the one about why there was never a successful phonograph industry in England? (answer:) Because they couldn't figure out how to make the machines break down and start leaking oil every week. Ha Ha, GrnMountain Bill On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 12:32 PM, john9...@pacbell.net wrote: Did you hear about the dyslexic anorexic? She never thought she was fat enough. -Original Message- From: Tom Jordan tom...@msn.com Sender: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 11:25:25 To: 'Antique Phonograph List'phono-l@oldcrank.org Reply-To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] New Phonogram I can't help it! :0) Did you hear about the dyslexic atheist? He laid awake at night wondering Is there a dog? -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Peter Fraser Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 11:00 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] New Phonogram Dog is my copilot! Sent from my iPhone -- Peter pjfra...@mac.com On Jan 20, 2011, at 2:48 AM, john robles john9...@pacbell.net wrote: No rush..my god passed away and left me with $1600 in vet bills...my phono purchases have sort of taken a downturn for the moment... Thanks John --- On Wed, 1/19/11, D P Ingram dar...@ingram.fi wrote: From: D P Ingram dar...@ingram.fi Subject: Re: [Phono-L] New Phonogram To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Wednesday, January 19, 2011, 9:28 PM Hi. Still looking. Not found any (duplicates yet) but am sorting out our duplicate holdings so found a lot more other stuff (phono, gram, radio ) :) Best, Darren ¦ D P Ingram ¦ Ab Ingram Oy ¦ ¦ darren at ingram.fi ¦ www.ingram.fi ¦ ¦ ¦ MUSIC LIBRARY FINLAND - www.musiclibrary.fi ¦ ¦ +358 6 781 0275 (FIN) ¦ extn 8001 ¦ On 31 dec 2010, at 19.05, john robles wrote: Thank you Darren, no hurry. John --- On Fri, 12/31/10, D P Ingram dar...@ingram.fi wrote: From: D P Ingram dar...@ingram.fi Subject: Re: [Phono-L] New Phonogram To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Friday, December 31, 2010, 8:27 AM Possibly a couple but I cannot check for a day or two until after the holiday. Darren ¦ D P Ingram ¦ Ab Ingram Oy ¦ ¦ darren at ingram.fi ¦ www.ingram.fi ¦ ¦ ¦ MUSIC LIBRARY FINLAND - www.musiclibrary.fi ¦ ¦ +358 6 781 0275 (FIN) ¦ extn 8001 ¦ On 31 dec 2010, at 14.23, john robles wrote: Does anyone have copies of the New Phonogram available for sale?? Repros are acceptable. Thanks John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Travesty...
Look here, http://cgi.ebay.com/Rare-78rpm-Phonograph-Record-CHARLESTON-/110636618925?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item19c274d4ad MS On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 8:06 AM, john9...@pacbell.net wrote: John9ten -Original Message- From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com Sender: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 10:42:05 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Reply-To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Travesty... What is your eBay user name? Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 08:45:12 -0800 From: john9...@pacbell.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Travesty... I just listed the Charleston on ebay yesterday and it is at $20 already. A lot of others like it too. Of course the song is popular, but this version is extremely '20s jazzy'. My taste is pretty eclectic. Some collect to get great numbers of records, I collect pretty much only what I like. I buy some things for resale too of course, but if a record is rare and I don't care for the music, I won't keep it just for the rarity issue. John --- On Sun, 1/16/11, Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com wrote: From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Travesty... To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sunday, January 16, 2011, 8:13 AM Not bad... your taste in music is similar to mine, according to the titles you mentioned. I like 20's blues and jazz - Ben Selvin is one of my favorites. Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 00:35:35 -0800 From: john9...@pacbell.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Travesty... There was Mamie Smith singing Crazy Blues..Ben Selvin on Vocalion playing the Charleston, and Sousa's Band playing Maple Leaf Rag...ummm...there are a lot of others I haven't gone through yet. I am sure there'll be some nice stuff. There were 15 boxes, about 300 records or so. I also bought 33 Diamond Discs, nothing spectacular but all in very good condition. nicer than most I have seen. Also bought 147 cylinder records, both 2 and 4 minute. no 5000s though. John --- On Sat, 1/15/11, Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com wrote: From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Travesty... To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Saturday, January 15, 2011, 7:38 PM I forgot to ask: did you get any good records? From: vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 22:05:13 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Travesty... Nothing like some steel wool and maybe a little cleanser to really bring out the shine in gold leaf... :) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 18:58:42 -0800 From: john9...@pacbell.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Travesty... Hey everyone! I went to buy some records locally that were being sold by the daugher of the man that owned them. He passed away 20 years ago and all has been in storage. The real story is that she had sold his phonographs a few years back, and one was a...well, she said there was this one Victrola that was all gold leafed.. I asked if it had paintings on the front and sides. She said it did. So it was a Vernis Martin...and she sold it to some guy for $7500.00. he flew to LA to see it, and she said he was sorta disappointed in the condition on one side because My mother tried to clean it with steel wool!! he bought it anyway though. John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Theodore Roosevelt cylinder
It's the economy, it's the internet. I own many records and cylinders. Many very rare. Why own a record? As a digital file it as it takes up so little space. And most of the time free or close to free. Not much disposable income out there. On the other hand if I decide to collect something different it is always at the top of the market, regardless of the economy..[?] Mike oldcranky On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 11:27 AM, john robles john9...@pacbell.net wrote: Hello all Well, after I had offered it here with no takers, I had listed my Theodore Roosevelt cylinder on eBay, It used to be that they went for around $100, and it only got up to $66. What's your opinion, is this cylinder (Social and Industrial Justice) just that common, or is it the economy, or what? Just wondering. I can seem to let it go for less than $85 so I think I'll keep it. John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Is Phono-L okay?
I paid Loran my dues thru' paypal. He is offering a free preview Jan 6 thru' the tenth. grin I won't repeat any emails posted. I hope no one gets a sore leg from this. Oldcranky Mike On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 2:00 PM, john9...@pacbell.net wrote: It's been quiet. --Original Message-- From: Jeffry Young, D.O. Sender: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org To: Antique Phonograph List ReplyTo: Antique Phonograph List Subject: [Phono-L] Is Phono-L okay? Sent: Jan 7, 2011 1:59 PM Haven't gotten anything since 01/02/2011. Is it my e-mail program at work, or is it Phono-L? Thanks, Jeff Wisconsin ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Is Phono-L okay? - Dues?
Jeffery, I'm pulling everybodies leg Just been quiet that's all. Good luck on the R, they are nice machines. Mike On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 2:24 PM, Jeffry Young, D.O. jeff...@prevea.comwrote: I must have missed an important e-mail! If there are now dues to continue to be included, I guess I need this new information. Perhaps I am not the only one that does not know about this? Man do I feel dumb! Jeff Wisconsin -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Mike Stitt Sent: Friday, January 07, 2011 4:19 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Is Phono-L okay? I paid Loran my dues thru' paypal. He is offering a free preview Jan 6 thru' the tenth. grin I won't repeat any emails posted. I hope no one gets a sore leg from this. Oldcranky Mike On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 2:00 PM, john9...@pacbell.net wrote: It's been quiet. --Original Message-- From: Jeffry Young, D.O. Sender: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org To: Antique Phonograph List ReplyTo: Antique Phonograph List Subject: [Phono-L] Is Phono-L okay? Sent: Jan 7, 2011 1:59 PM Haven't gotten anything since 01/02/2011. Is it my e-mail program at work, or is it Phono-L? Thanks, Jeff Wisconsin ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Is Phono-L okay? - Dues?
STOP IT, your killing me. It's just quiet that's all. I'm worse in person. I'll drink your beer. Mike On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 2:27 PM, john9...@pacbell.net wrote: I must admit I missed it.. -Original Message- From: Jeffry Young, D.O. jeff...@prevea.com Sender: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 16:24:47 To: Antique Phonograph Listphono-l@oldcrank.org Reply-To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Is Phono-L okay? - Dues? I must have missed an important e-mail! If there are now dues to continue to be included, I guess I need this new information. Perhaps I am not the only one that does not know about this? Man do I feel dumb! Jeff Wisconsin -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Mike Stitt Sent: Friday, January 07, 2011 4:19 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Is Phono-L okay? I paid Loran my dues thru' paypal. He is offering a free preview Jan 6 thru' the tenth. grin I won't repeat any emails posted. I hope no one gets a sore leg from this. Oldcranky Mike On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 2:00 PM, john9...@pacbell.net wrote: It's been quiet. --Original Message-- From: Jeffry Young, D.O. Sender: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org To: Antique Phonograph List ReplyTo: Antique Phonograph List Subject: [Phono-L] Is Phono-L okay? Sent: Jan 7, 2011 1:59 PM Haven't gotten anything since 01/02/2011. Is it my e-mail program at work, or is it Phono-L? Thanks, Jeff Wisconsin ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Victor R
It is not a hard finish to replicate and can be fun to do. Mike On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 3:00 PM, John Maeder appywan...@hotmail.com wrote: Steve Farmer can replicate that finish. From: kb...@charter.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 16:42:55 -0600 Subject: [Phono-L] Victor R Jeff, The orange based stripper works well. Just try it in a small area under the turntable first. It's good to hear that there are still some good finds out there. The tone arm on my Victor Rigid arm R has been buffed by a previous owner that took off most of the nice oxidized finish. The finish behind the swing arm and on the reproducer is fine. My question for everyone on Phono-L is: Is it hard to redo the oxidized finish on a part like this? Or, is there someone that can be recommended to do this type of work? Thanks, Ken B. Wisconsin ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Victor R
Peter, On mine years ago I started with a copper base. It hopefully is still there if not plate it. Use gun bluing and I think I used antique brown. Turn it brown. Use a dremel tool and its buffing wheel and buff off the gun bluing for effect. I would practice on scrap or under the turntable. You can do it with out art skills. Mike On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 3:05 PM, Peter Fraser pjfra...@mac.com wrote: Is there any description of the technique online, or can you please give us a brief outline? Sent from my iPhone -- Peter pjfra...@mac.com On Jan 7, 2011, at 3:03 PM, Mike Stitt smst...@gmail.com wrote: It is not a hard finish to replicate and can be fun to do. Mike On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 3:00 PM, John Maeder appywan...@hotmail.com wrote: Steve Farmer can replicate that finish. From: kb...@charter.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 16:42:55 -0600 Subject: [Phono-L] Victor R Jeff, The orange based stripper works well. Just try it in a small area under the turntable first. It's good to hear that there are still some good finds out there. The tone arm on my Victor Rigid arm R has been buffed by a previous owner that took off most of the nice oxidized finish. The finish behind the swing arm and on the reproducer is fine. My question for everyone on Phono-L is: Is it hard to redo the oxidized finish on a part like this? Or, is there someone that can be recommended to do this type of work? Thanks, Ken B. Wisconsin ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Vic R
HEY! Who you call oldkid I don't think I've seen a gray deck, well mine use to be gray, then I dusted it. MS On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 7:24 PM, DeeDee Blais deedeebl...@yahoo.com wrote: Dull gray? I'm almost as old as Mike Stitt and I've never seen a gray deck on an R. How long were they made that way? Anyone have a photo? Thanks, Jerry Blais ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Victor R
Gosh am I in trouble. Brice and I did my R years ago. Brice used to be my paper boy (cute kid) after Jerry Blais quit the route. Well as I recall we started with the original copper base and heated it up and but brown gun bluing on it. After it dried we used an electric draftsman eraser to remove the brown bluing. It was an easy effect to reproduce. If you screw it up just add the brown back in...A Dremel should do the trick with a mild cutting rouge. Brice jump in here son The job was a lot of fun. After about 15-20 years you can hardly tell it wasn't factory. You could chuck a pencil in a drill..! MS On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 7:01 PM, Ken and Brenda Brekke kb...@charter.netwrote: Mike, Any suggestions on how to do it? Thanks, Ken -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Mike Stitt Sent: Friday, January 07, 2011 5:04 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor R It is not a hard finish to replicate and can be fun to do. Mike ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Salvaging Spray Painted Victor-R Parts?!
Jeffery, You resurrected the dead...Phono-l is alive...and for free. Mike On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 6:54 PM, Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu wrote: If the metal parts aren't aluminum (I think only Columbia used aluminum) there is no anodizing to preserve. OTOH, there may be nickel plate. Don't know if stripeez attacks nickel. You could always try the underside of the arm in a small area to see what happens. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Jeffry Young, D.O. Sent: Friday, January 07, 2011 5:09 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Salvaging Spray Painted Victor-R Parts?! I just got a junker Victor-R. The tone arm support and motor board have been spray painted! (So have the turntable and the metal tone arm) Any advice on removing the paint and, perhaps preserving any anodizing on these parts? Bix Stripper, or 3M natural orange based stripper? Other methods? Just hoping against hope that I can preserve the copper tiger striping on these parts! Thanks, Jeff Wisconsin -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of john9...@pacbell.net Sent: Friday, January 07, 2011 4:01 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Is Phono-L okay? It's been quiet. --Original Message-- From: Jeffry Young, D.O. Sender: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org To: Antique Phonograph List ReplyTo: Antique Phonograph List Subject: [Phono-L] Is Phono-L okay? Sent: Jan 7, 2011 1:59 PM Haven't gotten anything since 01/02/2011. Is it my e-mail program at work, or is it Phono-L? Thanks, Jeff Wisconsin ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Victor R
VV, In my post I said we heated the parts. Warm is the better word. The solution seemed to take better when the parts were warm to the touch. As I recall. MS On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 8:31 PM, Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.comwrote: If you go to a sporting store that sells guns and supplies, Super Blue (not Perma Blue) works great for oxidizing parts and no heating is necessary. It works great for aging back steel parts after cleaning off rust and buffing them. It also ages brass... Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 19:43:32 -0800 From: smst...@gmail.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor R Gosh am I in trouble. Brice and I did my R years ago. Brice used to be my paper boy (cute kid) after Jerry Blais quit the route. Well as I recall we started with the original copper base and heated it up and but brown gun bluing on it. After it dried we used an electric draftsman eraser to remove the brown bluing. It was an easy effect to reproduce. If you screw it up just add the brown back in...A Dremel should do the trick with a mild cutting rouge. Brice jump in here son The job was a lot of fun. After about 15-20 years you can hardly tell it wasn't factory. You could chuck a pencil in a drill..! MS On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 7:01 PM, Ken and Brenda Brekke kb...@charter.net wrote: Mike, Any suggestions on how to do it? Thanks, Ken -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Mike Stitt Sent: Friday, January 07, 2011 5:04 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor R It is not a hard finish to replicate and can be fun to do. Mike ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Arther Fields
This is link is to Shorpy. A great site. A picture of Arther Fields and his family washing their Stutz in 1919. http://www.shorpy.com/node/2373 Mike oldcranky ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] More phonos from Shorpy
More from Shorpy, high def... http://www.shorpy.com/node/3582?size=_original http://www.shorpy.com/node/9414?size=_original The Mall, two phono stores, http://www.shorpy.com/node/7402?size=_original Dan M is that a nipper in a dog house on the right by the doll? http://www.shorpy.com/node/6302?size=_original This one is for you Dan M http://www.shorpy.com/node/1972?size=_original No phono's but what a drug store! http://www.shorpy.com/node/6676?size=_original Oldcranky Mike ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] New Amberola Graphic and other long gone Phono fanzines
Thanks for the list. Tom Pollard and Bob from Musical Americana also put out news letters. Have many of those listed and another one I just can't remember nor do I know where I put them, on cylinder records. The Bob Fulwider (sp) newsletters were a hoot for the classified. Pollard's would make you cry. If anyone is ever in Southern Oregon I have a large numbers of Hobbies Magazine. A source that has been mined by many for it series on pioneer recording artists, free for the taking. It is a VERY important series. Oldcranky Mike On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 7:18 PM, srsel...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 12/23/2010 5:23:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, smst...@gmail.com writes: I really think it was a true love of labor for Martin. The magazine was a bargain as was most everything he sold. Like many things they come and go. Very hard work. Tim Gracyk was a pioneer as well. Allen K too. I have all of the APM's NAGs and a great deal of Tim's work. I am grateful they did what they did and yes Allen and Tim utilize the internet. Thank you all and all the others too. The list is long. I'll add to the list... Cecil Dancer's Gramophone News (I think only 3 issues) From the UK: Sounds Vintage (a glossy mag) From US The Antique Phonograph News (Published by the Calif society in the 1970s) Jerry's Musical News - actually a magazine of Phono classified Ads - by Jerry Madsen Of course Hillandale News (now For the Record) - CLPGS and Talking Machine Review by Ernie Bayly (which petered out after he sold it) and this is just the Phono mags no longer with us, not counting the vintage record ones. Steve ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] New Amberola Graphic and other long gone Phono fanzines
Come get 'em Barry! Mike On Fri, Dec 24, 2010 at 8:05 AM, Barry Kasindorf ba...@barrykasindorf.comwrote: I have been asking for YEARS if anyone can get those Hobbies articles by Walsh scanned. I was told there are just too many of them. Still it is a great resource that is unavailable now. -Barry On 12/24/2010 10:37 AM, Mike Stitt wrote: Thanks for the list. Tom Pollard and Bob from Musical Americana also put out news letters. Have many of those listed and another one I just can't remember nor do I know where I put them, on cylinder records. The Bob Fulwider (sp) newsletters were a hoot for the classified. Pollard's would make you cry. If anyone is ever in Southern Oregon I have a large numbers of Hobbies Magazine. A source that has been mined by many for it series on pioneer recording artists, free for the taking. It is a VERY important series. Oldcranky Mike On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 7:18 PM,srsel...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 12/23/2010 5:23:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, smst...@gmail.com writes: I really think it was a true love of labor for Martin. The magazine was a bargain as was most everything he sold. Like many things they come and go. Very hard work. Tim Gracyk was a pioneer as well. Allen K too. I have all of the APM's NAGs and a great deal of Tim's work. I am grateful they did what they did and yes Allen and Tim utilize the internet. Thank you all and all the others too. The list is long. I'll add to the list... Cecil Dancer's Gramophone News (I think only 3 issues) From the UK: Sounds Vintage (a glossy mag) From US The Antique Phonograph News (Published by the Calif society in the 1970s) Jerry's Musical News - actually a magazine of Phono classified Ads - by Jerry Madsen Of course Hillandale News (now For the Record) - CLPGS and Talking Machine Review by Ernie Bayly (which petered out after he sold it) and this is just the Phono mags no longer with us, not counting the vintage record ones. Steve ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] New Amberola Graphic (What happened to Martin)
I really think it was a true love of labor for Martin. The magazine was a bargain as was most everything he sold. Like many things they come and go. Very hard work. Tim Gracyk was a pioneer as well. Allen K too. I have all of the APM's NAGs and a great deal of Tim's work. I am grateful they did what they did and yes Allen and Tim utilize the internet. Thank you all and all the others too. The list is long. Mike Oldcranky On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 1:01 PM, john9...@pacbell.net wrote: Come to think of it, a friend of mine sent him a check that was never cashed too. Maybe just publish the stuff. Its ancient anyhow. -Original Message- From: bruce78...@comcast.net Sender: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 20:27:02 To: Antique Phonograph Listphono-l@oldcrank.org Reply-To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] New Amberola Graphic (What happened to Martin) What ever happened to Mr. Bryan? I remember getting a letter from him about 7 or 8 years ago, saying that he was going to get his act together, start up the Graphic and promised to get it out on time. I sent him the money for the subscription, but the check was never ever cashed and the Graphic was never published again, and he just dissapeared from sight. Does anyone know what became of him and his promise to start up the NAG again ? Why didn't it happen? Why didn't he at least send out a notice to all of his loyal following, explaining what happened and why it never took place. It was just very odd. Very Very Odd. Bruce - Original Message - From: john9...@pacbell.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2010 3:05:54 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] New Amberola Graphic I'd appreciate the effort, Barry! Just make sure Martin doesn't object! Thanks John --Original Message-- From: Barry Kasindorf Sender: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org To: Antique Phonograph List ReplyTo: Antique Phonograph List Subject: [Phono-L] New Amberola Graphic Sent: Dec 23, 2010 11:55 AM Hi, I subscribed to this a long time ago and have most of the issues Martin printed. I am not sure if he will ever make anymore but I assume not. I can scan them and make them available online if there is any interest. It will take a while to locate them and I may need a few fills. -Barry ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] uneven turntable, or is it the spindle? Is this fixable?
Bent spindle? Is the motor and motor board plumb? How tight is the turntable on the spindle? Bent spindles are pretty rare. Who makes the machine? Is it so uneven the turntable is hitting the case causing the drag you speak of? Oldcranky Mike On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 6:32 AM, Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu wrote: I'd swap out the turntable before I condemned the spindle. Shafts can be straightened but I would think it would be easier to install a replacement unless it is a very rare machine with an unusual motor. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Mark Dawson Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2010 4:13 AM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] uneven turntable, or is it the spindle? Is this fixable? Plenty of action as always on this site! Now I have an uneven turntable that obviously will cause dragg let alone strain on the spring. The spindle must be slightly bent. Is this fixable, and I suppose it is? Your commments please?Also would like to hear from folk with variatons on a Columbia Disc phonograph that I have, model AK. Look forward to all correspondence. slowp...@clear.net.nz Mark Dawson NZ ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Once upon a time,
I agree to that Kurt. I have many things lost. They will pop up. I would say worse yet when I was very active collecting records I would see a nice label on Kurt's glossy covers or at a friends house. A year or two later I swore I owned it. Would spend hours looking for what I didn't own. Kept my stock in my head after the futile search...lol Oldcranky Mike On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 12:23 PM, Kurt Nauck na...@78rpm.com wrote: I would say this re. missing items. It can be very easy to assume a person took something when they've been visiting and an important item is missing. But invariably, I've found that things have a way of reappearing. I once lost a couple of 5 Berliners. (Fortunately, no one had been visiting at the time!) Years later they turned up in a box of 45s and small kiddie records. Nice surprise. Kurt Nauck c/o Nauck's Vintage Records 22004 Sherrod Ln. Spring, TX 77389 Website: www.78rpm.com E-Mail: na...@78rpm.com www.newpledge.org www.mdada.org Phone: (281) 288-7826 Fax: (425) 930-6862 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] What's wrong with this picture?
Makes life easy, http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem_rdc=1item=250728912186ru=http%3A%2F%2Fmotors.shop.ebay.com%3A80%2Fi.html%3F_nkw%3D250728912186%26_sacat%3D%26_odkw%3D250728912186.%26_osacat%3D0%26bkBtn%3D%26_trksid%3Dp4506.m270.l1313%26_fvi%3D1viewitem= Or not. Oldcranky On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 2:24 PM, Dennis Back back...@yahoo.com wrote: What did I miss... something serious? I'll give you a hint. It has something to do with the pack of replacement needles on the right and the needle cups on the left. ;-) Happy Turkey Day to all, Dennis ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Think streaming internet music is new? Check out this phonograph service from 1910...
Can we keep this on a even keel. I am oldcranky. Steven is right. In fact oldcranky.com Loran on the other hand is old and cranky. I know him well, I know this to be true. Mike Oldcranky. On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 9:44 AM, phonofo...@aol.com wrote: Loran was not sounding old and cranky; he was only expressing a concern based on what he saw on line and what harm it could do in causing viruses. So it appears you are only apologizing for the link not working correctly but not apologizing in regards to your attitude towards Loran which was uncalled for. -Original Message- From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Mon, Nov 22, 2010 10:35 am Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Think streaming internet music is new? Check out this phonograph service from 1910... i Loran, orry about the link not working correctly. I am aware that you are the list wner... you were just sounding Old and Cranky. y the way, I put a link to your website on our Facebook page. This page is not spamming tool nor a competing replacement for your list, it is meant to be a esource for anyone who shares an interest in our hobby. I think it's important o promote an interest in the history of recorded music to the newer generations hat think it all started with an iPod. I chose Facebook particularly, since here are over half a billion Facebook subscribers, which presents an enormous otential to generate new interest in phonographs, music, etc. Without enerating new interest, our hobby becomes an elitist, good ole boy network that ill go away when we do... You can only sell your stuff so many times among the ame group of existing collectors and there definitely comes a time for all of s to part with the stuff we are temporarily borrowing while we are passing hrough this life. urt Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 07:17:57 -0800 From: lo...@oldcrank.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Think streaming internet music is new? Check out this honograph service from 1910... 1. Please check out the link as it came through in the archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/phono-l@oldcrank.org/msg10459.html 2. I'm well aware of the awesomeness of the DELETE key. I'm willing to wager that my delete key is bigger than yours, as I am the list owner. Thanks, Loran On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 5:30 AM, Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com wrote: It's not spam, Loran... I thought readers other than yourself, might be nterested in a PHONOGRAPH RELATED very interesting article about a unique honograph service. It just happens to be posted on the Carolina Antique Music honograph Society Facebook page. If you don't want to read it or look at it you ave a DELETE key on your computer. From: lo...@oldcrank.com Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 21:08:52 -0800 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Think streaming internet music is new? Check out his phonograph service from 1910... Please refrain from posting Facebook spam here. Thanks, Loran ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org __ hono-L mailing list ttp://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Think streaming internet music is new? Check out this phonograph service from 1910...
Sorry to kinda go off topic but Loran is a very good friend and of course we are just having fun. I might add that I always take beer over to his house when visiting for obvious reasons. Well that isn't the whole truth. I always ask what his supply looks like and if good I just drink his beer. This saves me money. Btw the beer story has roots in Brice Paris. He tells me if I drink two, I get a personality. Mike Oldcranky On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 10:58 AM, Robert Wright esrobe...@hotmail.comwrote: Lol, I was just thinking that. Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 10:53:18 -0800 From: smst...@gmail.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Think streaming internet music is new? Check out this phonograph service from 1910... Can we keep this on a even keel. I am oldcranky. Steven is right. In fact oldcranky.com Loran on the other hand is old and cranky. I know him well, I know this to be true. Mike Oldcranky. On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 9:44 AM, phonofo...@aol.com wrote: Loran was not sounding old and cranky; he was only expressing a concern based on what he saw on line and what harm it could do in causing viruses. So it appears you are only apologizing for the link not working correctly but not apologizing in regards to your attitude towards Loran which was uncalled for. -Original Message- From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Mon, Nov 22, 2010 10:35 am Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Think streaming internet music is new? Check out this phonograph service from 1910... i Loran, orry about the link not working correctly. I am aware that you are the list wner... you were just sounding Old and Cranky. y the way, I put a link to your website on our Facebook page. This page is not spamming tool nor a competing replacement for your list, it is meant to be a esource for anyone who shares an interest in our hobby. I think it's important o promote an interest in the history of recorded music to the newer generations hat think it all started with an iPod. I chose Facebook particularly, since here are over half a billion Facebook subscribers, which presents an enormous otential to generate new interest in phonographs, music, etc. Without enerating new interest, our hobby becomes an elitist, good ole boy network that ill go away when we do... You can only sell your stuff so many times among the ame group of existing collectors and there definitely comes a time for all of s to part with the stuff we are temporarily borrowing while we are passing hrough this life. urt Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 07:17:57 -0800 From: lo...@oldcrank.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Think streaming internet music is new? Check out this honograph service from 1910... 1. Please check out the link as it came through in the archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/phono-l@oldcrank.org/msg10459.html 2. I'm well aware of the awesomeness of the DELETE key. I'm willing to wager that my delete key is bigger than yours, as I am the list owner. Thanks, Loran On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 5:30 AM, Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com wrote: It's not spam, Loran... I thought readers other than yourself, might be nterested in a PHONOGRAPH RELATED very interesting article about a unique honograph service. It just happens to be posted on the Carolina Antique Music honograph Society Facebook page. If you don't want to read it or look at it you ave a DELETE key on your computer. From: lo...@oldcrank.com Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 21:08:52 -0800 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Think streaming internet music is new? Check out his phonograph service from 1910... Please refrain from posting Facebook spam here. Thanks, Loran ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org __ hono-L mailing list ttp://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Really Vinyl?
I may it wrong but years ago over at Bob Olson's house we were picking thru' Bob's records as he was down sizing. The Record Ranger picked up a 7 victor that was flexible. Teasing me to get it first Vinyl he says and rare. The label was from the 20's. Could be wrong about any or all of it. Damn I wanted that record. Mike Oldcranky On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 9:01 PM, Robert Wright esrobe...@hotmail.comwrote: Actually, the Victor Home Recordings discs are straight up modern vinyl in every perceivable way -- exactly as flexible and plasticky as today's records. And those were what, 1929? Vitrolac, MGM's Metrolite, and other branded fomulations were part vinyl, part shellac-type something-or-other, and were certainly more flexible (less breakable) than shellac discs, but they were still more like shellac than pure vinyl. Meanwhile, the V-Discs from WWII (many of them but not all) were fully PVC like modern records. Vinyl didn't become common until the LP in 1949 as far as I remember. From: cdh...@earthlink.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 21:52:47 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Really Vinyl? I was surprised a few years ago to see that RCA used Vinyl on their LP discs of the early thirties. In many places, the material for those Program Transcriptions was identified as Victrolite whatever that was supposed to have been. But, I have the RCA Victor dealer fact book from 1932, where the Long Playing records were anounced, and they said that the discs were made of Vinylite. It's really interesting how vinyl plastics ahve been around, in one form or another. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Well known phono collector from years ago Elmer jones
Did not know Elmer but did meet Juanita back in the time frame you describe. She was a very nice lady in fact sweet. Elmer's parts were first class. I think at that time her son(s) were thinking of taking over the business so to speak. Nice folks all. Mike S On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 1:56 AM, Mark Dawson slowp...@clear.net.nz wrote: Greetings from New Zealand, I often reminise from my first overseas trip to the US, and chance to meet Elmer and his wife Juanita, who I believe passed on some months back. When we meet, I knew he didn't have much time on this earth left, with cancer of the voice boxe. They welcomed me into their home with opened arms. His collection was indeed an eye opener, plus a skilled parts maker to add to the measure! He loved his 50's Cadalic, which he picked me up in, plus in the shed lay a Model T Ford. Merely 25 at the time, my mouth watered. Victors' Columbias' you name it! he had it . I came back to NZ with his Gem Cobb Roller Organ, and a 10 panel cygent horn, which I paid US $75 bucks for. I only wish I had bought a dozen off them. He was slowly selling off his collection. We settled down to home made Cherry pie that evening, listening to his Mira Disc Music boxe. Never ever will I forget him, such an impression he made on a yound lad, still green behind the ears, absor bing his fabulous aray of machine, after machine ! My stay was short.Elmer truely a gentleman with dedicaton to his passion. Sadly a few months later I sadly was informed of his passing! I would love to hear more about him? He lived out at West Orange, New Jersey? Glendora? So long ago now, and I turned 49 TODAY!! Anyhow, I am looking for the following. A Victor 1 case, a nice decent example. Now this is the one with the bullet brake and square edged turntable. Not the one with the bevelled turntable and friction brake. If is a parts machine all the better!So i put it out to the universe! Cheers Mark Dawson NZ slowp...@clear.net.nz ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Original or restored?
I will agree with Harvey. I like 'em original. Many machines are in a state where restoration is the only option. A restored machine that doesn't look restored is art. Mike On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 12:36 PM, harvey kravitz harveykrav...@yahoo.comwrote: Like others, I prefer an all original machine. I consider myself lucky if I can get one at an affordable price. Most of my machines were restored basket cases. I restore them as though they aged 100 years or more. I call it forensic restoration. I don't like a machine that has been over restored. However, I have a Victor E and M front mounts that look brand new, that I bought from a fellow collector. They just look overall nice. I'm a disabled Vet on a budget, so I go after the project machines. I enjoy working on them, and it's good therapy for me. Harvey Kravitz From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Fri, November 12, 2010 4:33:43 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Original or restored? I love original, but that being said, I really get a positive vibe from taking something that looks ready for the junkyard and preserving it for posterity... You never want to mess with a machine that appears original, working properly, etc. except maybe for some cosmetic issues. Two examples of necessary restoration: I bought an H19 Edison, which I hate the style of, just because it was sitting in an antiques shop for $60, with a grill broken into pieces like a puzzle and a huge oil stain on the top - but exceptional wood grain showing below. I spent hours on it and put the grill back together by first gluing the pieces to a heavy file folder, then cutting out the openings with an exacto and filling in the cracks with bondo. When I was through, I took it to a collector friend who told me it was the best H19 grill he had seen in 40 yrs. The point is, I got something out of fixing it and then got rid of it to a new owner who was very happy to have it. It wasn't about money, because I spent way more time than the machine was worth, but I learned some valuable restoration methods. I also replaced a leg on a sad Aberola 75 which had fallen off a truck and broke a front leg. Someone had nailed and Elmer glued it back together and it looked like s**t. It is very hard to remove a front leg on an Edison because of the way it was built with pegs into the frame. A thin kerfed hand saw did the trick for removing it and I made a copy from a leg off a derelict no name phonograph. When done, you couldn't tell that it was replaced. Two mediocre machines were restored for new owners, but the education was well worth it for me. From: glast...@comcast.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 05:04:37 -0600 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Original or restored? I am a great believer in originality. I'd rather wait and find a nicely preserved machine than one that has been restored to brand new. Granted, some machines are basket cases and have to be fully restored, but I've seen too many perfectly decent machines given the twice over too many times. A good friend of mine once said that he likes his machines to be in the condition that the original owner would have been happy with if it were ten years old. Best to all - Original Message - From: Tom Jordan tom...@msn.com To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2010 9:06 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Original or restored? I have always believed in keeping my phonographs in as close to original condition as is possible. Fixing them, but not stripping and restoring them. I'm just curious... Is that the norm with most collectors on this group or do you like to restore them to look like new? Tom ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Cygnet Horn Ball Holder
Does life with antiques exist without rub n buff? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-7jEPKQmgI On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 8:35 AM, Andrew Baron a...@popyrus.com wrote: I've been following this thread with interest. Nice description here. Brass hardware that you mentioned (2-56 thread might be appropriate for this), and solder are all relatively soft materials and would give that nice balance between getting as close as you can to a factory look, and yet be sturdy enough to know it will safely support the weight. What's the rub n buff that you mentioned? Andy Baron On Nov 10, 2010, at 11:59 PM, Mike Stitt wrote: Is it really so bad the rivets must come out? Even if the metal is split I'll bet you could close it up. This sounds like one of those jobs you wish you left alone. Rivet drilling can go wrong in a heartbeat. If you can drill the outside head with a matching bit ( a little smaller that the rivet head) but do not drill thru'. Be very careful. Just thin the rivet. Next with a smaller bit drill thru' the center but not through the rivet. Take a punch and gently tap it out. The rivet head should break apart at the shank when you tap it. If not thin the head out more so. Small brass rivets will be your best bet. I'd use nuts and bolts over pop rivets.You might give thought if you use brass rivets to drill the shank with a small bit. That way when you set them the rivet should give with less force. If you use nuts and bolts use brass. File the nuts down very thin and even file them round. Cut the screws just long enough so when you bolt it together the screw should not extend past the thin nut. Using brass you can fill the slotted head in with solder. Either use rub n buff or just black model paint. It is un-doable if need be and will look better than you think. Mike Stitt Good luck. Mike Stitt On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 10:10 PM, Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu wrote: It was probably a riveting tool with a long reach. You could pop rivet them but that would not look quite right from the inside. Anyone else know more about riveting? Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Vinyl Visions Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 10:58 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Cygnet Horn Ball Holder I've been afraid to remove the rivets, since I don't know what method they used originally to put the rivets in without distorting the horn... any ideas? From: lhera...@bu.edu To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 10:00:17 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Cygnet Horn Ball Holder Have you tried drilling out the rivets and taking the part to a musical Instrument repair shop? They may be able to straighten it out. Then you can rivet it back on. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org ] On Behalf Of Vinyl Visions Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 8:30 AM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Cygnet Horn Ball Holder I don't know what you call it exactly, but does anyone sell replacements for the brass ball holder that is riveted to a cygnet horn? If so, how do you go about replacing it? Mine was torn up by someone trying to replace the ball. Curt ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Jack Palmer
Steve, Bob Olson called me this weekend re Jack. Very sad indeed. your post reminds me that I have not yet returned Bob's call. Jack was a pioneer. He will be missed. Mike stitt On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 6:43 PM, srsel...@aol.com wrote: Did I miss a posting somewhere? I JUST heard that our good friend Jack Palmer (Mr. Vernon Dalhart) died just before Halloween! There will be a short tribute to him in the December In The Groove but this was shocking news to me! Jack contributed so much to our hobby and was the nicest guy to chat with at ARSC Conferences - where he gave his Dalhart paper. (SAdly it was before the Conference programs were put up on the ARSC website for us all to S.). I did dig through my photos and found one I took of him giving his paper at the ARSC Conference in Austin in 2005. I'd like to share this tribute to Jack. Look at the photo at: _http://tinyurl.com/29faytb_ (http://tinyurl.com/29faytb)and think of our friend. Steve Ramm ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Cygnet Horn Ball Holder
Is it really so bad the rivets must come out? Even if the metal is split I'll bet you could close it up. This sounds like one of those jobs you wish you left alone. Rivet drilling can go wrong in a heartbeat. If you can drill the outside head with a matching bit ( a little smaller that the rivet head) but do not drill thru'. Be very careful. Just thin the rivet. Next with a smaller bit drill thru' the center but not through the rivet. Take a punch and gently tap it out. The rivet head should break apart at the shank when you tap it. If not thin the head out more so. Small brass rivets will be your best bet. I'd use nuts and bolts over pop rivets.You might give thought if you use brass rivets to drill the shank with a small bit. That way when you set them the rivet should give with less force. If you use nuts and bolts use brass. File the nuts down very thin and even file them round. Cut the screws just long enough so when you bolt it together the screw should not extend past the thin nut. Using brass you can fill the slotted head in with solder. Either use rub n buff or just black model paint. It is un-doable if need be and will look better than you think. Mike Stitt Good luck. Mike Stitt On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 10:10 PM, Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu wrote: It was probably a riveting tool with a long reach. You could pop rivet them but that would not look quite right from the inside. Anyone else know more about riveting? Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Vinyl Visions Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 10:58 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Cygnet Horn Ball Holder I've been afraid to remove the rivets, since I don't know what method they used originally to put the rivets in without distorting the horn... any ideas? From: lhera...@bu.edu To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 10:00:17 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Cygnet Horn Ball Holder Have you tried drilling out the rivets and taking the part to a musical Instrument repair shop? They may be able to straighten it out. Then you can rivet it back on. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Vinyl Visions Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 8:30 AM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Cygnet Horn Ball Holder I don't know what you call it exactly, but does anyone sell replacements for the brass ball holder that is riveted to a cygnet horn? If so, how do you go about replacing it? Mine was torn up by someone trying to replace the ball. Curt ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] What Did You Think Of CAPS?
Bruce, I help put on a local antique show and it is an enormous effort. I agree that* job one* is to fill the hall so to speak. Whatever a show is or may be, growing attendance is your job and selling is the dealers. I hope all have faith however. Buyers are very reserve right now but the fact that so many came is a good sign. Today's tire kicker is many times tomorrows collector. An interesting note about shows. The NAWCC (clock guys) have successively argued in a sales tax state (we have no sales tax where I live) back east that their shows are for members only. They call them regionals and have national shows.That status they argue exempts them from sales tax. Boy could you have fun with early admission. Don't hold your breath. I mention it as a curiosity. oldcranky Mike Stitt On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 9:57 PM, Bruce br...@accoladeeng.com wrote: As president of CAPS and the individual organizing the show I always welcome comments that will lead to improvement in what we do. I would, however, like to enlighten those reading this thread. 1. Attendance This year our attendance was up 10% over 2009. On Saturday for setup when the strongest buyers arrive, we had record attendance which was 14% higher than 2009. We had more people come in before 9 and had a line outside waiting for the 9am lower cost entry. We had George Paul write a feature length article for the West Coast Peddler in July which had his article highlighted on the front page with a plug for the show at the end of the article along with a quarter page ad. We advertised in nearly every hobby specific publication. We sent out about 500 direct mail postcards to previous attendees that provided their address. We distributed thousands of flyers. I even called K-Earth radio, who put me on the air plugging the show and offering free attendance to anyone who mentioned they heard about the show on the radio 2. Catering We left Po Folks years ago and used Francis Marie. The food from Po Folks was low quality heart attack food served on paper plates with plastic forks and spoons for which we were paying far too much. With Francis Marie, we improved the quality of the banquet presentation as well at the menu for nearly the same price. Francis Marie retired this year so we needed another caterer. Joey Bell came highly recommended and has catered events for some of the club members. With Francis Marie, we had opportunity for improvement and we exercised them over the first few years. An can do the same with Joey. As far as the price, the banquet, including the food, beverages, room and speaker compensation cost us nearly $50/person. The red and white wine was put in the refrigerator at 1:00 in the afternoon and was not removed until 4:00. 3. Buying and Selling I heard from many dealers that they had poor sales. My job is to bring in people interested in seeing your product and it is your job to close the sale on your product. If you didn't sell your product it may be because you had the wrong product, the price of the product was too high or your buyers were not prepared to let go of their money in this poor economy. Bruce Peterson, CAPS President -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of john robles Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 8:32 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] What Did You Think Of CAPS? A tempting invitation to share our thoughts...I agree with you, Jerry, the treasures were plentiful but the buyers were sparse. I had people with several machines on boths sides of me and one erson sold one machine and the other sold none at all, and he had some truly great machines. Having attended for over 20 years, beginning when it was held at Griswolds Hotel (remember what a sweatbox that place became by the afternoon?),I've had good experience of the show. I thought the attendance of buyers this year was lower than last year, and there was no swell of business at 9 am Sunday when the doors were opened to those who didn't buy early bird tickets. Many came to my table and admired items, but for the most part they were window shoppers. A lot of people seemed to be price tagging machines they had at home Oh I have my grandma's Victrola and it's just like this one. I even have some of those rare one-sided records!. I did find some good things, and there were a decent amount of spare horns, parts, etc. Todd Boermas had some great machines, horns and parts at good prices. I got a very unusual Tizit for $45 and stamped MADE BY J.W. KREILING, CHICAGO on it. I got a very nicely made and finished reamer for $25, and a very nice large Victor brass belled horn for my Monarch, in very nice condition, for $250. The banquet program was great, Charley was very entertaining. I could listen to him tell stories all night! The food was not so great. When Po Folks catered the banquet the food was good
Re: [Phono-L] Edison Triumphwith repeater
Congrats Harvey, If you look at the repeater you'll see how it operates as this one was not invented by an insane man (APM). A little hint, cylinders play from left to right. This is an inside joke and I'm saving Dan M some time and heading him off at the pass. He'll explain. Mike, Oldcranky On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 11:15 AM, harvey kravitz harveykrav...@yahoo.comwrote: Hi fellow collectors, Last week I hit pay dirt. I got a call from an antique store to come over to check out an Edison phonograph. It turned out to be a Model B Triumph with a repeating attachment.No reproducers came with it, but a 4 min. recorder with the green stain on it. It came with the original chip brush, and an old bottle of graphite. The lid even came with the wooden arches that was used for packing. I was very lucky to get this machine so cheap. Any of you folks out there have any information on these repeaters? I'd like to know the history and how to operate them. Also, if any of you collectors have any literature or instructions on how to operate the repeater. I would gladly compensate for copies of it. Thanks in advance for your help. Harvey Kravitz ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Edison Document for sale - stolen??
On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 7:57 AM, Loran Hughes lo...@oldcrank.com wrote: Google is your friend. Found stuff like this: http://www.historyforsale.com/html/prodetails.asp?documentid=55580start=2page=15 Just because this person confused Franklin as a president could simply be his fine, public school education showing. The real value of the item is the Edison signature - and I agree, $13k is way out of line. Loran On Jul 29, 2010, at 6:48 AM, john robles wrote: Possibly. But if he were willing to meet somewhere neutral it could work. But that's a good observation. --- On Thu, 7/29/10, Bob V. rvu...@comcast.net wrote: From: Bob V. rvu...@comcast.net Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Document for sale - stolen?? To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Thursday, July 29, 2010, 5:56 AM This is a total scam. I doubt the perpetrator even has the documents he is claiming to sell. I don't think this is even an American scammer. He lists Benjamin Franklyn as a former US president. Also he wants the transaction to be completed electronically which means the buyer will never see the documents before purchase. -- From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 1:23 AM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Edison Document for sale - stolen?? Hi all A local listing on Craigslist is offering an Edison signed document for $12,995. Ridiculous price, but my concern is if it is a stolen item. They appear to be pages cut from a corporate journal of meeting minutes or something. Signed by both Thomas and Charles Edison, as well as other officers, it raises a flag. How would something like this get into public hands? I wrote to the seller and he sent me the following explanation (which really doesn't explain anything): Thanks for your interest in the signed Thomas Edison notes. When my grandparents first came to the United States, they held Franklin Roosevelt in the greatest esteem, so they would write letters to him every once in a while. In the years that followed, Roosevelt corresponded on more than one occasion, and my grandparents began collecting these letters. Later on, they also attained signatures from a number of presidents, Benjamin Franklin, Abraham Lincoln, and plenty of other folks. I can't trace each of the items back to the source; fortunately, PSA DNA uses a plethora of methods to determine the authenticity of each of the documents and signatures. I know that the company measures ink pressures, aging, signature characteristics, and a number of factors before determining the legitimacy of each autograph. Upon confirming that a signature is real, they'll swab some sort of DNA marker on the sheet, as a method to permanently label the piece of memorabilia as being authentic. Anyone else have an opinion on this? Here is the Craigslist link: http://santabarbara.craigslist.org/clt/1853328747.html For good measure I wrote to Leonard DeGraaf, Archivist at the Edison Historic Site, and to Gerald Fabris, curator forwarding them a copy of the link and asking their opinion. It just doesn't seem right that pages form a corporate book would be in public hands. I have made no accusations and I am not saying they are stolen, I am just curious about this. John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Edison Document for sale - stolen??
Look I sent a blank email. Can't tell a X from send. I went to public schools! I did send a blank email by mistake BTW. Gotta go, Are you smarter than a fifth grader is just starting. MS On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 10:15 AM, Mike Stitt smst...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 7:57 AM, Loran Hughes lo...@oldcrank.com wrote: Google is your friend. Found stuff like this: http://www.historyforsale.com/html/prodetails.asp?documentid=55580start=2page=15 Just because this person confused Franklin as a president could simply be his fine, public school education showing. The real value of the item is the Edison signature - and I agree, $13k is way out of line. Loran On Jul 29, 2010, at 6:48 AM, john robles wrote: Possibly. But if he were willing to meet somewhere neutral it could work. But that's a good observation. --- On Thu, 7/29/10, Bob V. rvu...@comcast.net wrote: From: Bob V. rvu...@comcast.net Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Document for sale - stolen?? To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Thursday, July 29, 2010, 5:56 AM This is a total scam. I doubt the perpetrator even has the documents he is claiming to sell. I don't think this is even an American scammer. He lists Benjamin Franklyn as a former US president. Also he wants the transaction to be completed electronically which means the buyer will never see the documents before purchase. -- From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 1:23 AM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Edison Document for sale - stolen?? Hi all A local listing on Craigslist is offering an Edison signed document for $12,995. Ridiculous price, but my concern is if it is a stolen item. They appear to be pages cut from a corporate journal of meeting minutes or something. Signed by both Thomas and Charles Edison, as well as other officers, it raises a flag. How would something like this get into public hands? I wrote to the seller and he sent me the following explanation (which really doesn't explain anything): Thanks for your interest in the signed Thomas Edison notes. When my grandparents first came to the United States, they held Franklin Roosevelt in the greatest esteem, so they would write letters to him every once in a while. In the years that followed, Roosevelt corresponded on more than one occasion, and my grandparents began collecting these letters. Later on, they also attained signatures from a number of presidents, Benjamin Franklin, Abraham Lincoln, and plenty of other folks. I can't trace each of the items back to the source; fortunately, PSA DNA uses a plethora of methods to determine the authenticity of each of the documents and signatures. I know that the company measures ink pressures, aging, signature characteristics, and a number of factors before determining the legitimacy of each autograph. Upon confirming that a signature is real, they'll swab some sort of DNA marker on the sheet, as a method to permanently label the piece of memorabilia as being authentic. Anyone else have an opinion on this? Here is the Craigslist link: http://santabarbara.craigslist.org/clt/1853328747.html For good measure I wrote to Leonard DeGraaf, Archivist at the Edison Historic Site, and to Gerald Fabris, curator forwarding them a copy of the link and asking their opinion. It just doesn't seem right that pages form a corporate book would be in public hands. I have made no accusations and I am not saying they are stolen, I am just curious about this. John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Edison Document for sale - stolen??
Stop your killing me, lol. What did the TT go for? M On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 10:44 AM, Loran Hughes lo...@oldcrank.com wrote: I'll bet you gravitated at the top of your class, too! ;-) Loran On Jul 29, 2010, at 10:21 AM, Mike Stitt wrote: Look I sent a blank email. Can't tell a X from send. I went to public schools! I did send a blank email by mistake BTW. Gotta go, Are you smarter than a fifth grader is just starting. MS ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] re mirek and his prices
Whoa, Many people that make parts come and go. Good quality reproduction parts can turn a machine useful and displayable until an original part can be found if at all. I take a different view, I'm very thankful all these people do what they do and I doubt they are getting rich and perhaps in many cases just covering cost. Regardless of shipping cost or attitude I appreciate having the option. He is after all making parts for a very limited production run. Now if you pay a parts supplier and don't get your parts that is a conversation to have. Oldcranky Mike On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 10:47 AM, john9...@pacbell.net wrote: Agreed. I charge exact shipping and I usually have boxes onhand. If I have to buy new boxes I might charge $1 or so. Sometimes you have to pay the cost of doing business as a courtesy. I have found that it builds repeat customers. John Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: bruce78...@comcast.net Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 17:41:53 To: Antique Phonograph Listphono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] re mirek and his prices Folks who deliberately try to stuff their pockets with your money by deliberately inflating the shipping costs on an item, are nothing short of despicable . That is a fact !! - Original Message - From: Ron L'Herault lherault @bu. edu To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@ oldcrank .org Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 12:50:03 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Phono-L] re mirek and his prices Unless one knows the weight of the packed shipment, a buyer can't really tell if the shipper is off the mark with his shipping costs, and I believe he Marek in Canada, right? Shipping from Canada is always more expensive in my experience. If you want an inflated price for shipping try the $10 I was charged to ship 0.1 pounds (less than two ounces) of repro car parts from PA to MA. They use UPS. The post office would have cost under $2.00 I'll bet. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-bounces@ oldcrank .org [ mailto :phono-l-bounces@ oldcrank .org] On Behalf Of zonophone2006@ aol .com Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 11:44 AM To: phono-l@ oldcrank .org Subject: [Phono-L] re mirek and his prices hello all i had planned on getting some parts from mirek be careful he raised his prices over his old catalog and is greedy on shipping as well this is our correspondence hopefully he will have the rest of his inventory for the rest of his life be careful all rob NO PROBLEM YOUR GREED ON SHIPPING TURNED ME OFF] I DIDNT MIND THE PRICES GOING UP BUT I AM SURE I AM NOT THE ONLY ONE WHO SAID THIS TO YOU HAVE A GREAT LIFE rob -Original Message- From: Miroslav Stehlik m. stehlik @ sentex .ca To: Zonophone2006@ aol .com Sent: Wed, Apr 28, 2010 10:38 am Subject: Re: Fw : good morning Hi Rob, Thank you for taking my time for nothing! Please, do not order from me any more. Your los ! Happy collecting! Mirek - Original Message - From: Zonophone2006@ aol .com To: m. stehlik @ sentex .ca Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 3:49 AM Subject: Re: Fw : good morning hi mirek i have been thinking it over and will pass on the order i cant get out during the day for the m.o. thank you rob In a message dated 4/28/2010 1:13:11 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, m. stehlik @ sentex .ca writes: Hi, Are you still interested? I sold two Zonos today! I will be in Europe most of May, leaving next Monday Mirek - Original Message - From: Miroslav Stehlik To: Zonophone2006@ aol .com Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 5:11 PM Subject: Re: good morning Hi, You are ordering the following : two zonophone reproducers..$330.00 2 Berliner fiber gears,148 Teeth.$ 96.00 2 Berliner hold down nuts...$ 44.00 1 long curved crank...$ 29.00 Sub Total$ 499.00 Shipping/H: Expedited Parcel ( surf.Mail traceable ).. $ 22.00 ( no insurance) $27.00* ( insured for $500.00)* Payment by International Money Order or equivalent, the Total is.. $ 512.00 or* $ 517.00* When paying by PayPal , the Total is$ 532.00 I will ship as soon as I receive the payment ( next work. day) * Note, that I can not be responsible for lost or damage to the shipment! Please comfirm your choices. Mirek = ___ Phono-L mailing list http ://phono-l. oldcrank .org ___ Phono-L mailing list http ://phono-l. oldcrank .org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list
[Phono-L] Talking Scales
I recently read an interesting article from COCA Times I thought you all may find interesting. COCA stands for Coin Operated Collector Association BTW. The article by Jim and Merlyn Collings is about penny scales. It seems the first *talking* penny scales originated out of England. George Moore submitted patents in 1902 for a talking scale. The Moore Talking Machine Company was founded in Boston and morphed into The American Talking Scale Company. These scales are very rare. Seems they broke down often due to the sensitive nature of the mechanisms. They employed a disc record that was mounted vertically and you could see it work through the glass in the scale. These were nickel machines so it was big step over the penny machine profit wise. One of the options was a slug rejector that would announce NO GOOD. The sound was provided either through a brass horn or sounds slots, [sic]. It may be of interest to correlate the sound slots used on scales to Victrola's. This may be published and known knowledge and well documented by Allen K or Tim Fabrizio and George Paul. Sorry about the spotty nature of this email just some highlights. For ref: Lister Co. The United Vending Machine Co, 146 Caxton Building, Cleveland Ohio The American Talking Scale Co, 452 Fifth Ave, New York City Standard Scale Works 1904 Bankers Magazine A Wonderful Machine! Other contributors to the article, Bill Berning, Mike Gorski, Greg Lemore and Jeff Storch The last line of the article, We feel even Thomas Edison would been impressed by this wonderful talking scale. Those that may be interested in joining COCA email, bedvibr...@aol.com. Love the email address. Mike One last thing, they only weigh up to 250 lbs. I have a penny scale at the shop that goes to 295 lbs. Seems to not weigh high enough for many. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Talking Scales
I recently read an interesting article from COCA Times I thought you all may find interesting. COCA stands for Coin Operated Collector Association BTW. The article by Jim and Merlyn Collings is about penny scales. It seems the first *talking* penny scales originated out of England. George Moore submitted patents in 1902 for a talking scale. The Moore Talking Machine Company was founded in Boston and morphed into The American Talking Scale Company. These scales are very rare. Seems they broke down often due to the sensitive nature of the mechanisms. They employed a disc record that was mounted vertically and you could see it work through the glass in the scale. These were nickel machines so it was big step over the penny machine profit wise. One of the options was a slug rejector that would announce NO GOOD. The sound was provided either through a brass horn or sounds slots, [sic]. It may be of interest to correlate the sound slots used on scales to Victrola's. This may be published and known knowledge and well documented by Allen K or Tim Fabrizio and George Paul. Sorry about the spotty nature of this email just some highlights. For ref: Lister Co. The United Vending Machine Co, 146 Caxton Building, Cleveland Ohio The American Talking Scale Co, 452 Fifth Ave, New York City Standard Scale Works 1904 Bankers Magazine A Wonderful Machine! Other contributors to the article, Bill Berning, Mike Gorski, Greg Lemore and Jeff Storch The last line of the article, We feel even Thomas Edison would been impressed by this wonderful talking scale. Those that may be interested in joining COCA email, bedvibr...@aol.com. Love the email address. Mike One last thing, they only weigh up to 250 lbs. I have a penny scale at the shop that goes to 295 lbs. Seems to not weigh high enough for many. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
