Re: [PEDA] Query MAnager
I've used it occassionally. One thing it can do that global edit can't is select by less than or greater than comparisons, e.g., for track width or hole size. Also, the ability to save/name the selection criteria is handy sometimes. Note, however, that the queries aren't stored with the PCB; they're in QryFile.qry in your Windows directory. Certainly the option to use and instead of or would add a lot of power. -Original Message- From: Dennis Saputelli Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 8:27 AM anyone use the query manager/wizard in PCB? (and found it to be good for anything?) it doesn't seem to do anything that you can't do just as readily with global edits IMHO it would be MUCH more useful if it offered true LOGICAL AND functions instead of the LOGICAL OR functions that it uses Dennis Saputelli * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Pasting simulation graph into Word
-Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Wayne Bickers [EMAIL PROTECTED] An: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. März 2002 21:39 Betreff: [PEDA] Pasting simulation graph into Word Is there a way of taking the graph that is created in the simulation module and pasting this into a Microsoft Word document? It does not seem to be as simple as using the copy and paste functions as you can do for the schematic module. Any ideas accepted with thanks Thanks Wayne Bickers Electronic Engineer Tru-Test Limited Thats my way: Print the simulation result to an .EPS-file (Encaps. Postscript), using a Windows standard postscript printer like Linotronic100. Then import the EPS-file to Corel Paint (!) and export it as .GIF-file (or .bmp or .tif or ...). Then import it as graphics to Word. Works great for me. Rolf Molitor Ing.Buero i2e Remscheid / Germany * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Best methode to flip components tracks?
Hi Ian, I suspect that we could fairly readily make a cut-down version of the server that just inverted the current selection - but it would only invert fairly standard entities like components, tracks, pads, vias etc. Polygons were a little difficult from memory but I think we had them solved (but only if we cleared the undo stack). Geoff and I were having discussions on the best method of dealing with fills - but I think these were solved as well. Things like rules and layer stack-up, blind and buried vias etc would *not* be handled correctly - the user would need to patch these manually. I'm not sure to right understand: do you explain that you could distribute a simplified version of your add-on server? I don't need the polygons, only the ability to flip components, tracks, pads and multilayer vias. Geoff Harland and I were co-operating on a server that would invert a board. We ran into problems that, though probably possible to solve would have taken way too much volunteer effort. So we have let it pretty much stop. A time limited beta version was released to see if there was much interest. There has not been much interest. I would say that maybe 6 or so people have expressed much interest in such a server. So Geoff and I have not been pushing at it. About the problem of interest, I think people search for add-ons only when they need them (like myself...), so it's difficult to quickly answer to a query are you interested It would be perhaps good to create a web-page about add-on projects, not only ask people on the forum (unfortunately I don't have time to read all the messages, and if I had I would spend much because it's not my mother's language...) Thank you for your support Jean-Christophe Meylan * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Best methode to flip components tracks?
On 10:58 AM 6/03/2002 +0100, Jean-Christophe Meylan said: I'm not sure to right understand: do you explain that you could distribute a simplified version of your add-on server? I don't need the polygons, only the ability to flip components, tracks, pads and multilayer vias. Yes - a simplified version could be created but does not exist. :-( ..snip.. About the problem of interest, I think people search for add-ons only when they need them (like myself...), so it's difficult to quickly answer to a query are you interested It would be perhaps good to create a web-page about add-on projects, There is no centralized link to add-ons - Protel have a page of links but they do not include all the little free add-ons. There are a quite a few add-ons in quite a few odd places. A web-page linking to all of them would be good. not only ask people on the forum (unfortunately I don't have time to read all the messages, and if I had I would spend much because it's not my mother's language...) Jean-Christophe, your english is much better than my french. I can understand you not reading all the posts; dealing in languages that you are not able to think in is very tiring. I am sorry that there is no simple answer to your query. Ian Wilson * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Weird behaviour
Well I've seen it still there at shutdown after a normal close on occasions, but it doesn't seem to cause any major problems. As I recall on Win98 the Client process would often hang around for ages after all other signs of its activity had stopped - maybe it's just when we shut down the PC within a certain time of closing Protel? Regards Andy Gulliver -Original Message- From: Sean James [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 06 March 2002 11:57 To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: [PEDA] Weird behaviour Has anybody had this happen to Protel 99SE under WIN 2K Professional? I've had to shut down the program occasionally using Task Manager, and every once in awhile, when I go to shut down Windows, I find out Protel is still running. Any clues? Sean James PCB Designer Telecast Fiber Systems 102 Grove Street Worcester, MA 01603 TEL 508-754-4858 x33 FAX 413-541-6170 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Weird behaviour
I've seen this quite often. I'm not sure if it works, but I tend to restart my machine at the end of every working day, and when I quit my copy of Protel 99SESP6, I leave the PC to get on with it - I don't for example hop around other applications while it's shutting down. I'm still paranoid about memory leaks in Windows of old. I do find Protel freezes or crashes a great deal less often than on other operating systems. I'm running Win2kPro with Protel 99SESP6 on an 800MHz Athlon with 1GByte of memory. Quoting Sean James [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Has anybody had this happen to Protel 99SE under WIN 2K Professional? I've had to shut down the program occasionally using Task Manager, and every once in awhile, when I go to shut down Windows, I find out Protel is still running. Any clues? Sean James - This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Pallets
Re: [PEDA] Best methode to flip components tracks?
-Message d'origine- De: Ian Wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Date: mercredi 6 mars 2002 11:27 : Protel EDA Forum Objet: Re: [PEDA] Best methode to flip components tracks? I'm not sure to right understand: do you explain that you could distribute a simplified version of your add-on server? I don't need the polygons, only the ability to flip components, tracks, pads and multilayer vias. Yes - a simplified version could be created but does not exist. :-( What does it mean really? Are you ready to create this add-on? I had I would spend much because it's not my mother's language...) Jean-Christophe, your english is much better than my french. I can understand you not reading all the posts; dealing in languages that you are not able to think in is very tiring. Thank you, you are fair! I am sorry that there is no simple answer to your query. Right, I am a little bit confused Should I forget about the idea to get a solution to my query by an add-on and resolve it manually? Jean-Christophe * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Weird behaviour
Re: [PEDA] Pallets
I interprete it as panelized PCB's (though I don't know if this is the correct english word for this). The problem with this, at least in my experience, is just DRC related. For simple designs up to say 100 different nets I do this quiet often by the paste array function. Be sure to have checked keep nets and duplicate references. This enables you to do a DRC resulting in broken net error messages for each but the power plane nets. If every net is broken into as many nets as you placed board copies you can assume that everything went well! I would wish such a panelling function in Phoenix that is much more comfortable. Lets see what happens in about 25 days!-) Regards Emanuel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 3/6/2002 8:31:36 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I know this has been beaten around before, but I thought creating a pallet in Protel when you have poured internal planes was OK. Or does Protel just choke on pallets? (showing my ignorance...) What's a pallet? (in this context) Steve Hendrix -- MPL AG www.mpl.ch Emanuel Zimmermann [EMAIL PROTECTED] Manager RD Phone: +41 (0)56 483 34 34 Taefernstrasse 20 Fax: +41 (0)56 493 30 20 CH-5405 Daettwil * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Pallets
An array of PCB's. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 8:38 AM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Pallets In a message dated 3/6/2002 8:31:36 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I know this has been beaten around before, but I thought creating a pallet in Protel when you have poured internal planes was OK. Or does Protel just choke on pallets? (showing my ignorance...) What's a pallet? (in this context) Steve Hendrix * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Query MAnager
On Wed, 6 Mar 2002, Dwight Harm wrote: I've used it occassionally. One thing it can do that global edit can't is select by less than or greater than comparisons, I also use it to select all nets of a bus, since the sch - PCB exporter assigns each bus into a handy class. Certainly the option to use and instead of or would add a lot of power. Yes, very much so... Steve * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Severe library sharing problem
I am at a place where we have a handful of engineers all using one protel library that we save onto our server. I would be very surprised if there had not been occasions in the time that I have been here when there have been 2 people working on the library, and it all seems to be fine and happy at the end of the day. All the saves are made, and there are no messages popping up, although this may be an option that I have turned off at some point. Good luck figuring this one out Wayne Bickers Electronics Engineer Tru-Test Ltd -Original Message- From: SIMM Maurie [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, 6 March 2002 4:18 p.m. To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: [PEDA] Severe library sharing problem Using Protel 99SE SP6 with the database format Libraries and designs, I selected to place a footprint from the library in the Design Manager panel menu while another user was editing the same library, my PC RESET. This was duplicated on another user's PC. Also when opening the library on both PC's then saving the library on one PC, the normal dialog box appears requesting to update library appears on the other PC, on selecting OK the PC RESET. Has anyone seen this one? PC Spec's 1. Compaq Pentium 4 1.6gig, Windows 2000 2. Compaq Pentium III 1gig, Windows 2000 Regards, Maurie Maurie Simm, CID IPC Certified Interconnect Designer CAD Systems Administrator, Tenix Defence Pty. Ltd. Electronic Systems Division - Adelaide * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Severe library sharing problem
H. Compaq strikes again? -Original Message- From: Wayne Bickers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 14:19 To: 'Protel EDA Forum' Subject: Re: [PEDA] Severe library sharing problem I am at a place where we have a handful of engineers all using one protel library that we save onto our server. I would be very surprised if there had not been occasions in the time that I have been here when there have been 2 people working on the library, and it all seems to be fine and happy at the end of the day. All the saves are made, and there are no messages popping up, although this may be an option that I have turned off at some point. Good luck figuring this one out Wayne Bickers Electronics Engineer Tru-Test Ltd -Original Message- From: SIMM Maurie [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, 6 March 2002 4:18 p.m. To: Protel EDA Forum Subject:[PEDA] Severe library sharing problem Using Protel 99SE SP6 with the database format Libraries and designs, I selected to place a footprint from the library in the Design Manager panel menu while another user was editing the same library, my PC RESET. This was duplicated on another user's PC. Also when opening the library on both PC's then saving the library on one PC, the normal dialog box appears requesting to update library appears on the other PC, on selecting OK the PC RESET. Has anyone seen this one? PC Spec's 1. Compaq Pentium 4 1.6gig, Windows 2000 2. Compaq Pentium III 1gig, Windows 2000 Regards, Maurie Maurie Simm, CID IPC Certified Interconnect Designer CAD Systems Administrator, Tenix Defence Pty. Ltd. Electronic Systems Division - Adelaide * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] Fanout for BGA's
Is there an auto fanout feature in Protel for BGA's or is it all manual via placement? I have several BGA and one is a 652pin BGA. thanks in advance for any responces, tricks, or easier ways. michael b -Original Message- From: Ian Wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 5:37 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] At 04:48 PM 27/02/02 -0600, you wrote: Yup, you only can see the extent of the component when moving it, I think. The method for getting a reasonable zoom and position of the center when creating a component freehand (the wizard is pretty useless for the parts I have to create from scratch) is klunky, at best. You have to zoom in one page-up at a time, and recenter while watching the coordinate display, and repeat until the screen shows a reasonable scale for the component. Jon Jon, You can speed this up slightly by zooming in to get the approximate scale you want and then doing a J-L (jump location) and entering 0,0 - saves on the re-centring. I will usually start placing the first pad, tab to set the pad parameters, zoom in until I see the pad about the size I want and then J-L to jump to the required location for this pad (or just 0,0 to get close) and then click to place the pad. The extra time taken to zoom in is minor (no re-centring required) but, you are right, it is a bit clunky. Better would be the PCB library zoom starting with about 5 cm (2) extents. Ian Wilson * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Pasting simulation graph into Word
Wayne, I just press Printscreen - no ctl or alt etc this puts a bitmap on the clipboard paste into word. Liane. Date forwarded: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 11:00:29 +1300 Forwarded by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date sent: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 16:13:12 -0500 From: Darryl Newberry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Protel EDA Forum' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: [PEDA] Pasting simulation graph into Word Send reply to: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] It's cheaper than that and easier too: 1. make the window the top one 2. ctrl-alt-shift-Printscreen 3. paste into Word -Original Message- From: Sean James [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 15:59 To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Pasting simulation graph into Word Use SnagIt at www.techsmith.com. - Original Message - From: Wayne Bickers [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 3:39 PM Subject: [PEDA] Pasting simulation graph into Word Is there a way of taking the graph that is created in the simulation module and pasting this into a Microsoft Word document? It does not seem to be as simple as using the copy and paste functions as you can do for the schematic module. Any ideas accepted with thanks Thanks Wayne Bickers Electronic Engineer Tru-Test Limited * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Best methode to flip components tracks?
I am sorry that there is no simple answer to your query. Right, I am a little bit confused Should I forget about the idea to get a solution to my query by an add-on and resolve it manually? Jean-Christophe Yes. Oui. Ya. Bye for now, Ian Wilson * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Weird behaviour
[PEDA] minimum SMD to plane constraint ?
hello, i'm working with smt for the first time, and the board has 576MHz piped onboard thru a coax, so some signal integrity issues arise. i've established a stack that will give me a controlled impedance, and after laying a few critical lines by hand, i want to allow autorouting to complete the board. to avoid added inductances, i want the vias within 10 or 30mil of the pads, but when i autoroute, its placing them almost 100mil away from the pads. my problem is that i would like to set a design rule to allow a MAXIMUM distance from the pad to a power/ground via, but the smd-to-plane constraint is a minimum length. is there a rule (or other method) i can use to constrain the maximum trace length to a plane via during autoroute? thank you, miker p.s. to mr. lomax. the suggestion about using the edit/move/ component and then clicking an empty space to get a parts listing was a lifesaver. as you could tell, i had been doing a find and then having to travel back to where i wanted to drag it. thank you. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Weird behaviour
On 12:25 PM 6/03/2002 +, Andy Gulliver said: Well I've seen it still there at shutdown after a normal close on occasions, but it doesn't seem to cause any major problems. The most annoying problem I find with the occasional instance of P99SE hanging about is that it can lock up Eudora, preventing it from starting fully and connecting to the mail servers. As soon as the rogue instance of P99SE is terminated then Eudora is OK. It does not happen very often but is still irritating and Protel should fix this bug. Ian Wilson * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Weird behaviour
| While it IS a problem that Protel should have addressed long ago, and one which Protel should still address, another of the scores of work-arounds that Protel users must grow accustomed to performing is to manually kill the process using w2k's task manager when this situation occurs. (one of the reasons I got used to leaving the task manager running at all times, FWIW) | | aj It's that, or, just leave Protel running all the time. Hehe... Brian Guralnick - Original Message - From: Andrew Jenkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 5:14 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Weird behaviour | On 06:57 AM 3/6/2002 -0500, Sean James wrote: | Has anybody had this happen to Protel 99SE under WIN 2K Professional? I've | had to shut down the program occasionally using Task Manager, and every once | in awhile, when I go to shut down Windows, I find out Protel is still | running. Any clues? | | SOP for Protel. Or at least routine, when compared to most other pro-level apps. It's been doing this since at least P98. As others have suggested, its probably due to Delphi's unload processes dying onthe proverbial vine. | | While it IS a problem that Protel should have addressed long ago, and one which Protel should still address, another of the scores of work-arounds that Protel users must grow accustomed to performing is to manually kill the process using w2k's task manager when this situation occurs. (one of the reasons I got used to leaving the task manager running at all times, FWIW) | | aj | | * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] AW: controlled impedance traces ?
Sorry, none that I know of... do any German speaking designers know of any? Phil. -Original Message- From: Harald Kälberer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, 5 March 2002 17:24 To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: [PEDA] AW: controlled impedance traces ? interesting infos and articles, are there these or similar articles into German somewhere in the web? Harald -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: DUTTON Phil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. März 2002 04:58 An: 'Protel EDA Forum' Betreff: Re: [PEDA] controlled impedance traces ? Have a look at UltraCAD's website. Lots of useful info and a calculator. http://www.eskimo.com/~ultra/calc.htm There is much to consider when designing high speed boards. Find from your fab shop the layer spacing of the build that you are using. distance above reference plane and track thickness will produce your impedance. (only scraping the surface) hope this helps, Phil. -Original Message- From: rimas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, 5 March 2002 13:37 To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: [PEDA] controlled impedance traces ? hi there, i suppose this question doesn't have to do with protel specifically, but i was hoping someone could answer it for me or at least point me in the right direction. (i'm not a full time PCB layout person by the way) i'm presently laying out a board with a big xilinx fpga and a gigabit ethernet phy chip on it. the datasheet for the gigabit chip says that the connections between chips need to be done with 50 ohm impedance traces. how do i calculate the impedance of a trace ? it seems like trace width and stackup order are the only two variables i have to play with. i am planning to have protos of this board made by advanced circuits, in case that makes any difference. thanks for any help, -rimas * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] minimum SMD to plane constraint ?
At 05:18 PM 3/6/2002 -0500, Robison Michael R CNIN wrote: my problem is that i would like to set a design rule to allow a MAXIMUM distance from the pad to a power/ground via, but the smd-to-plane constraint is a minimum length. is there a rule (or other method) i can use to constrain the maximum trace length to a plane via during autoroute? I very much doubt that the autorouter is that sophisticated. If the pins in question are power pins or are otherwise critical such that you must keep the lengths short, then you cannot trust the autorouter to handle them. I'd consider all power pins to be critical; I'd consider routing the entire power net by hand. I would routinely make the trace lengths *very* short; we'd put the vias in the pads if we could. Remember that it is the enclosed area in the entire power loop that matters. (The loop may be considered to be a complete circuit including the IC and the bypass cap and/or plane capacitance). p.s. to mr. lomax. the suggestion about using the edit/move/ component and then clicking an empty space to get a parts listing was a lifesaver. as you could tell, i had been doing a find and then having to travel back to where i wanted to drag it. thank you. Been there and done that, for far too long. Now, I don't use the parts listing much, I just enter the refdes for the part I need. Abdulrahman Lomax Easthampton, Massachusetts USA * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] AW: controlled impedance traces ?
Re: [PEDA] Weird behaviour
i have seen and it has been discussed ever since i starting closing all ddbs before closing protel i *think* i have not seen this since Dennis Saputelli Sean James wrote: Has anybody had this happen to Protel 99SE under WIN 2K Professional? I've had to shut down the program occasionally using Task Manager, and every once in awhile, when I go to shut down Windows, I find out Protel is still running. Any clues? Sean James PCB Designer Telecast Fiber Systems 102 Grove Street Worcester, MA 01603 TEL 508-754-4858 x33 FAX 413-541-6170 -- ___ www.integratedcontrolsinc.comIntegrated Controls, Inc. tel: 415-647-04802851 21st Street fax: 415-647-3003San Francisco, CA 94110 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Query MAnager
Hi All, IMHO it would be MUCH more useful if it offered true LOGICAL AND functions instead of the LOGICAL OR functions that it uses Maybe I've got hold of the wrong end of the stick here, but I thought it already did an AND function. For example, I just wrote a query that selected: all pads with holes = 32thou AND all components with comment = 4u7 AND all fills on the Top Overlay layer. (Not useful but it demonstrates my point) Hit APPLY and all three object types are selected. I'm not trying to be obtuse here, just trying to understand the problem. LINDEN DOYLE Product Development Engineer Zener Electric Pty Ltd [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ph: +61 2 9795 3600 Fax: +61 2 9795 3611 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Query MAnager
Re: [PEDA] Query MAnager
that's right the difference between the common English usage of AND and the 'logical AND' can be confusing the common english usage is closer to this 'OR' this etc. just as you have described in the case of the query manager the logical OR (plain English AND) is easy to achieve by other means, a true logical AND would be quite valuable Dennis Saputelli Andrew Jenkins wrote: On 02:17 PM 3/7/2002 +1100, Linden Doyle wrote: Hi All, IMHO it would be MUCH more useful if it offered true LOGICAL AND functions instead of the LOGICAL OR functions that it uses Maybe I've got hold of the wrong end of the stick here, but I thought it already did an AND function. For example, I just wrote a query that selected: all pads with holes = 32thou AND all components with comment = 4u7 AND all fills on the Top Overlay layer. (Not useful but it demonstrates my point) Hit APPLY and all three object types are selected. If I understood your post correctly, AND results in ANY object having the above characteristics being displayed. However, a True logical AND query (by definition) would result in only the _intersection_ of the three categories above, ie, only pads with 32mil holes, that are ALSO 4uF, AND are ALSO fills on the top layer. (example is kinda moot, since pads don't generally have 4uF of capacitance, nor are pads fills...) Anyway...In a true logical AND query, all other objects would be dismissed from the query. What you have described (as I understood your post) is instead a logical OR query, not a logical AND query. That is, the result is true (display the object) if it is EITHER a pad with a 32 mil hole, OR 4uF, OR a fill on the top overlay. aj -- ___ www.integratedcontrolsinc.comIntegrated Controls, Inc. tel: 415-647-04802851 21st Street fax: 415-647-3003San Francisco, CA 94110 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Query MAnager
Ahhh ! Of course! Now the light dawns. I understand now. Thanks for the explanation Andrew. LINDEN DOYLE Product Development Engineer Zener Electric Pty Ltd [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ph: +61 2 9795 3600 Fax: +61 2 9795 3611 -Original Message- From: Andrew Jenkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, 7 March 2002 02:59 Subject: Re: [PEDA] Query MAnager On 02:17 PM 3/7/2002 +1100, Linden Doyle wrote: Hi All, IMHO it would be MUCH more useful if it offered true LOGICAL AND functions instead of the LOGICAL OR functions that it uses Maybe I've got hold of the wrong end of the stick here, but I thought it already did an AND function. For example, I just wrote a query that selected: all pads with holes = 32thou AND all components with comment = 4u7 AND all fills on the Top Overlay layer. (Not useful but it demonstrates my point) Hit APPLY and all three object types are selected. If I understood your post correctly, AND results in ANY object having the above characteristics being displayed. However, a True logical AND query (by definition) would result in only the _intersection_ of the three categories above, ie, only pads with 32mil holes, that are ALSO 4uF, AND are ALSO fills on the top layer. (example is kinda moot, since pads don't generally have 4uF of capacitance, nor are pads fills...) Anyway...In a true logical AND query, all other objects would be dismissed from the query. What you have described (as I understood your post) is instead a logical OR query, not a logical AND query. That is, the result is true (display the object) if it is EITHER a pad with a 32 mil hole, OR 4uF, OR a fill on the top overlay. aj * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Query MAnager
In Mr. Doyle's example, the AND is not acting as a logical AND -- it's an OR, that is, the result is the addition (union) of the selections, not the intersection. HOWEVER, I then tried using the same object type in multiple selections, and in that case, it WAS a boolean AND. For example: select all component.footprint which are equal to 0603T AND select all component.x which are less than 3000 resulted in ONLY those 0603T's which were also left of the 3-inch mark. Obviously(?), when using different object types, one wants the result additive, since the intersection would always be empty. But when using the same object types, it would be nice to have a choice between AND and OR. I was wrong -- it does do logical AND. So the only limitation is that it cannot do logical OR when the object types are the same. -Original Message- From: Linden Doyle Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 7:18 PM IMHO it would be MUCH more useful if it offered true LOGICAL AND functions instead of the LOGICAL OR functions that it uses Maybe I've got hold of the wrong end of the stick here, but I thought it already did an AND function. For example, I just wrote a query that selected: all pads with holes = 32thou AND all components with comment = 4u7 AND all fills on the Top Overlay layer. (Not useful but it demonstrates my point) Hit APPLY and all three object types are selected. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Weird behaviour Free speech shrink wrap
maybe there is a distinction between first closing all the open documents and then closing the ddb as opposed to just closing the ddb with the documents open i swear that since following the above procedure i have not seen the problem of protel still running when it is in fact not still running in W2K (whereas i had seen it regularly before following this procedure) by saying this i do not mean to defend this aberrant behavior of course at this point there will be no more SP's or fixes, we have only Phoenix to hope and wait for (the very name is chilling in what it portends) today while buying another protel license i was told that Phoenix would be shipping in Q1 i pointed out that Q1 was almost over and that i had heard no noises re beta testing ... in infoworld there was an article about certain shrink wrap licenses (major database stuff) curtailing the discussion of performance or benchmarking results apparently this is being taken to court as an abridgment of free speech if in fact phoenix is in beta and those testers have been enjoined from at least saying that they were beta testers then perhaps there is a potential problem there if it is not in beta and they are still talking Q1 release then i fear we are headed for trouble and may be enlisted as their paying beta crew i, for one, would be more happy with substantive incremental upgrades than these grandiose promises of all new software which will be hard to keep Dennis Saputelli Brad Velander wrote: Dennis, just to add to the knowledge, I 'almost' always close the ddbs before shutting down Protel and quite often I still experience the Client99 process running at shut down. Sincerely, Brad Velander. Lead PCB Designer Norsat International Inc. Microwave Products Tel (604) 292-9089 (direct line) Fax (604) 292-9010 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.norsat.com -- ___ www.integratedcontrolsinc.comIntegrated Controls, Inc. tel: 415-647-04802851 21st Street fax: 415-647-3003San Francisco, CA 94110 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Query MAnager
this is news to me, thanks for pointing that out i will play with it some more, but clearly this is a feature which is more bells than whistles it reminds me of something dvorak quipped in the recent PC mag: two old ladies at a restaurant, one said 'this food is inedible' and the other said 'yes and the portions are too small' Dennis Saputelli Dwight Harm wrote: In Mr. Doyle's example, the AND is not acting as a logical AND -- it's an OR, that is, the result is the addition (union) of the selections, not the intersection. HOWEVER, I then tried using the same object type in multiple selections, and in that case, it WAS a boolean AND. For example: select all component.footprint which are equal to 0603T AND select all component.x which are less than 3000 resulted in ONLY those 0603T's which were also left of the 3-inch mark. Obviously(?), when using different object types, one wants the result additive, since the intersection would always be empty. But when using the same object types, it would be nice to have a choice between AND and OR. I was wrong -- it does do logical AND. So the only limitation is that it cannot do logical OR when the object types are the same. -Original Message- From: Linden Doyle Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 7:18 PM IMHO it would be MUCH more useful if it offered true LOGICAL AND functions instead of the LOGICAL OR functions that it uses -- ___ www.integratedcontrolsinc.comIntegrated Controls, Inc. tel: 415-647-04802851 21st Street fax: 415-647-3003San Francisco, CA 94110 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
