Re: [PEDA] Getting a polygone pour out of the way for updates
Sorry to say, it made PCB editing sluggish, followed by a crash (99SE win2k, RADEON 9000 dual 1600x1200, 1gb mem, 2.6ghz Athalon). Mike Ingle - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 3:16 AM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Getting a polygone pour out of the way for updates In a message dated 12/15/2003 4:25:40 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I just tried your tip on a board I'm working on, and it crashed DXP and 99SE! I experimented a bit, and it seems like if can draw one huge line somewhere in the polygon, it's ok. If it can't draw anything, an AV occurs in ADVPCB.DLL. I can close the AV and then do an orderly shutdown of the app. I'm going to try this with a couple boards to see if it's consistent. (20 minutes...) It's not consistent, but it does happen on several boards. (just not all of them) It does it in DXP, so I'm going to file a bug report. That's odd. I've used that trick on a number of boards with nary a crash that I could attribute to it. I've certainly seen my share of other crashes, of course, although lots less since I moved from Win95 to Win2K. And I've always used it with a width setting so wide that it can't draw any primitives in the polygon - that was the whole point. I'd be interested if you find what feature of the board makes the difference. Steve Hendrix * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Getting a polygone pour out of the way for updates
Cool! - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 8:04 AM Subject: [PEDA] Getting a polygone pour out of the way for updates I just wanted to share a tip for a difficulty that I've seen discussed here many times, just an alternative to the solutions presented here in the past. I needed to make some modifications to a previously laid-out board which had ground pours on both sides of the board. Deleting the polygons and recreating them later was a problem because they had irregular shapes. All I did was to increase the width of primitives in the polygon to 2000 mils (yes, 2 inches wide). That leaves the polygon entirely intact and in place; in fact, I can even click or dblclk where it should be and have the polygon show up in the selection list or open the appropriate dialog box. However, all other traces (pun intended!) of it are gone from the board, allowing me to push parts around and lay tracks at will, without green lights lighting up all over. When I'm done, I simply set the width back to the original 20 mils and allow the rebuild. Presto! The polygon is back just like it was, only now with all the right clearances on the new features. Hope this helps somebody. Steve Hendrix * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] Testpoint report.ipc
For the first time I sent along the testpoint report.ipc. Even after carefully re-generating my cam files, my boardhouse (Sierra Proto Express) claimed that my gerbers didn't match. What is up? How can I verify prior top sending my files? Is the testpoint report useful? Mike PS what has happened to the list? * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] pick and place report
Hi all, This job will be my first where a pick and place machine is used. I have some confusion regarding bottom side components. How do people generally handle the pick and place report? Do you re-orient the results so that X is increasing facing the bottom of the board (so that the bottom looks like the top). What is the transoform on rotation. I see that Protel buggers it, but it doesn't give the same answer as if the component were on the top layer? Basically what massaging should be needed besides linking to the compnent data base to get full component info? Mike * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] NetMeeting
I have not tried net meeting, but timbuktu used to crash pretty easily. They both work as video drivers I assume, and PROTEL does seem to be pretty hard on video drivers. Not a lot of help for your problem, other than doubts about its feasability. Mike - Original Message - From: Michael Binning [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 8:27 AM Subject: [PEDA] NetMeeting Hello all, Has anybody tried sharing Protel 99SE over NetMeeting? We are trying to do it my company, so that anybody logged into the meeting can see the design, but NetMeeting does not seem to like Protel. Once I have NetMeeting engaged, I can only do the most basic functions in Protel, like zooming, flicking between sheets. Anything more causes a major crash in Protel, sometimes requiring a reboot to recover. Has anybody see or heard of this before? Mike. Michael Binning (Applications Engineer) Zarlink Semiconductor Cheney Manor Ind. Est. Swindon Wiltshire SN2 2QW Tel. 0/+44 1793-518234 Fax. 0/+44 1793-518012 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.zarlink.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] sierra proto express
We are considering using sierra proto express for some 1 day turn 6 layer boards (5 5 design rules, controlled impedance, fineline bga) Has anyone on the list used them, and to what success? Is their qualty acceptable? Mike * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Simulation component
Dave, If you place the library siov.lib in the protel\lib\sim\ecos (you must create the ecos directory) then you will be able to use the siov component wih the part name specified as S20K275 (as on sch) or whichever component you want. The gotcha here is that I tried to make the simulation work, but there are differences in PSICE, and SPICE3 or whatever PROTEL SPICE engine is used. At least this will get the spice simulation code into PROTEL for you. You will have to keep modifying siov.lib until it works. FYI: the steps involved are: 1 create the sch symbol 2 update the readonly/library lines in the description line 1: type subckt(x) **everything I have done so far is a subckt line 2: model modelname this is the name of the part in your library. There must be a corresponding: .SUBCKT modelname xxx in your library file. line 3: file lists the library file name. line 4: maps the pins on the sch symbol to the .subckt line in the sim file example: opamp using pins 2,3,4,6,7 as in- in+ v- out v+ correspondingly might be pins=1:[3,2,7,4,6] and the sim file would have the .subckt line in the order: in+ in- v+ v- out line 5: takes line 4 and sends it to the sim file with the number of pins wanted by the sim file as far as I can tell, the %1 references the first pin in line4 ... I always use a boilerplate from a working sym symbol. If you are able to make the conversion work, please send me the working version as I want to learn more about how to convert libraries. This is the first one I haven't been able to make work. Best of luck, Mike - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 11:15 PM Subject: Simulation component Mike, Thanks for your kind offer... the attached zip file contains the PSpice files downloaded from the EPCOS web site. (See attached file: var_psp.zip) Cheers Dave :. CONFIDENTIALITY : This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. If you are not a named recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to another person, use it for any purpose or store or copy the information in any medium. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Simulation component
email me a text spice file, and I will make you the simulation component - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 12:31 AM Subject: [PEDA] Simulation component Hi, I am trying to create a simulation component using a PSpice model for a Varistor. The PSpice model has been down loaded from the EPCOS website for their SIOV varistors. The file has a SIOV subcircuit, followed by lots of subcircuits for each of the devices in the range. I have no Spice manuals and so am struggling with just the Protel manual. The specific part I need to simulate is SIOV-S20K275 can anyone help? :. CONFIDENTIALITY : This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. If you are not a named recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to another person, use it for any purpose or store or copy the information in any medium. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Simulation Data
I would like the script. This has been an issue for me too. Mike - Original Message - From: J rg Guttmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2003 2:07 AM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Simulation Data Hello John as far as I know, there is no such button or option inside protel P99 SE available. I've done this for the transient analysis data in the following way: 0) Run your simulation within P99 SE. 1) export the *.sdf file from your ddb (if you are using the ddb storage) to a folder at the windows file system. 2) Then you can open and examine the file with an editor, pfe for example. 3) The *.sdf File konsists of some ASCII parts with konfiguration informations and some binary parts containig the simulation data stored as float numbers. 4) I've wrote a perl skript to extrakt the simulation data from the sdf-file, konvert it to ascii and stored the data in an new file wich can be used bei gnuplot or scilab for example. Thats the best solution I found. If you can run perl scripts on your machine then I can send you the script. It should be easy to change it from transient analysis data to ac analysis. Hope this helps. Dipl. Ing. J rg Guttmann eMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] === Visit our Web Site: http://www.imar-navigation.de === iMAR GmbH Gesellschaft f r inertiale Mess-, Automatisierungs- und Regelsysteme Systems for Inertial Measuring, Automation and Control Im Reihersbruch 3 D-66386 St. Ingbert / Germany Tel.: +49-(0)6894-9657-34 Fax : +49-(0)6894-9657-22 - Original Message - From: John Waugaman To: Protel EDA Forum Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2003 4:45 PM Subject: [PEDA] Simulation Data Is there any way to output the data used to produce the various simulation output screens to an ASCII file for use in other programs? Specifically, I'm interested in obtaining this data for the AC Analysis simulation option so that I can plot simulated model data along with data from a network analyzer to produce one of those simulated versus measured plots. I can't seem to find any option for outputting data which is frustrating since the data must exist internally to be plotted in the first place! John Waugaman [EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] 99SE on win2k running slow
I am not positive, but I believe you can install/reinstall a win2k service pack (2?) and it will replace your data access components. Mike - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 12:39 AM Subject: [PEDA] 99SE on win2k running slow Hi all, I have a problem with Protel 99 SE (sp6) on my win2k laptop. It was working fine until I installed mySQL database for another project after which protel is so slow to open that it appears to have hung the machine. I removed mySQL and rebooted, but same problem. I have tried re-installing Protel but it still takes forever. Has anyone seen this before ? I am guessing that the data access component of protel or perhaphs win2k has been alterted and now protel cannot find whatever hooks it requires. Bill. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Switch Mode Model
Can't help with the Protel model, but Linear tech has a free simulator for most of their parts which I found very useful. Mike - Original Message - From: Dennis Gibson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel Tech [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 5:31 PM Subject: [PEDA] Switch Mode Model G'day, Can anyone please point me to a freeware switch mode regulator Protel simulation model? Something like an MC34025 would be nice. Thanks DG -- Dennis Gibson, Electronics Unit Research School of Physical Sciences Engineering Australian National University, Canberra, ACT 0200 Australia Ph: (02) 6125 2607 [Intl: +61 2 6125 2607] Fx: (02) 6125 4433 [Intl: +61 2 6125 4433] Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (VK1DG) * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Is forum traffic down?
#6. Definitely not dxp here.. Mike - Original Message - From: Bagotronix Tech Support [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 2:10 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Is forum traffic down? Yeah, message traffic has been slow for me too. Could be attributable to a lot of things, but mass migration to DXP is probably not one of them. Possiblities: 1) List server problems (probably not) 2) List censorship (maybe rants and off-topics from folks like me are being filtered out?) 3) Everyone's doing something else besides PCB design right now. 4) Economy is in the toilet, some have lost their jobs or don't have contract work right now. 5) Holiday mindset setting in, folks have other things on their minds 6) Everyone's over on the off-topic list flaming each other about guns, sports, Windows vs. Linux, Delphi vs. [insert favorite bloatware rapid app development suite], mouse and KLUNK bugs ;-) Best regards, Ivan Baggett Bagotronix Inc. website: www.bagotronix.com - Original Message - From: Linden Doyle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PEDA [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 4:51 PM Subject: [PEDA] Is forum traffic down? Hi all, I've been getting very little traffic from the forum in the past week. Is it just my system or has everybody gone to the DXP forum? Messages are at the 3 or 4 a day level where previously 20 per day would not be uncommon. Thanks Linden Doyle Product Development Engineer Zener Electric Pty Ltd. Ph: +61 2 9795 3600 Fax: +61 2 9795 3611 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:ldoyle;zener.net * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:proteledaforum;techservinc.com * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:ForumAdministrator;TechServInc.com * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum;techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] 1000V HV clearance.
I have a quick turn pcb with 1000V @ app 1ma max. What trace/plane separation is required for UL/CE? Mike * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Protel clone on the way?!?!?!
I purchased Auto-Trax from Protel along with The initial windows schematic software. Way back when they were in Santa Clara Ca. Mike riginal Message - From: Bagotronix Tech Support [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 9:25 AM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Protel clone on the way?!?!?! Wasn't AutoTrax the predecessor to Protel? I wonder if the original DOS code has been recycled into a Windows app? Did anyone on this list use the original DOS AutoTrax software? How does this compare? Best regards, Ivan Baggett Bagotronix Inc. website: www.bagotronix.com - Original Message - From: Stephen Casey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 7:32 AM Subject: [PEDA] Protel clone on the way?!?!?! Hello all, I haven't looked in great depth at this, so draw your own conclusions: http://www.autotraxeda.com/ Interesting, no? Steve. * Tracking #: FDE37C3C1A14CE49AE5E6D600B3ABF48B8E75D4C * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] Matrox = bad ??? g550 ??
I must have missed the thread on the new Matrox Para card. Did look at it briefly, after I upgraded to my current system (dual 2ghz athalon, matrox g550 1g ddr) Works great so far, but I have only briefly perused old designs in Protel right now I am heavy into the embedded Linux and FPGA code that go with this project. Anyway is there a proble I should concern myself with re the g550? To date I have had the understanding that Matrox cards and drivers were the SAFE way to go with PROTEL. And to date my g200 and older Matrox Mellenium have performed well when other cards at work haven't. Mike On 2002.07.24 14:17 Brian Guralnick wrote: Here is my take on the situation: If, every mouse video card combination I have used to date auto-scrolls manipulates any other software's windows fine without bugs clunking, WHY should there be a special case for Protel where bugs should be acceptable when you happen to own not the correct combination of hardware? The only way I would NOT consider this a bug, is if, and only if, Protel / Altium made clear print on their hardware system requirements that you should never use ATI, or Matrox video cards, with these specific mice, or, mention that the auto-pan may malfunction under these circumstances. When purchasing such an expensive product an expensive professional PC, I would consider this auto-pan issue fundamental, since when using Protel, I plan to design some PCBs. If it were not for this group, Protel EDA Forum, my new development PC would might have had the new Matrox Parhelia only to find out that this 600$ card would turn out to be a lemon with Protel. I can't even chance getting a professional work-station grade NVIDIA card. For all I know, slight differences in it's GPU code might lock up the auto-pan as well. Sad to say, I'm going to use a cheap GF4MX. The same card which is in my current system. It's the only way I could be certain that a 2.5GHz system will not run more sluggishly than my current 1.0GHz system. This is the main reason why I will not upgrade to ATS. If Altium/Protel can not hire a single coder who has good experience debugging, or correcting odd windows glitches where 99% of existing other software has no issues with the same hardware, I can not in confidence dish out more money to get the next software which probably has the same, perhaps new draw backs. Brian Guralnick [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice (514) 624-4003 Fax (514) 624-3631 - Original Message - From: Tony Karavidas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 4:28 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Speaking of Protel Bugs. I'm tired of talking to you about this. I understand it's a problem for you and it's terrible that's it causing you so much grief. But as easily as you say IT IS PROTEL'S FAULT AND IT IS THEIR RESPONSIBILITY TO FIX THE BUG why can't you seem to grasp your own words when you tell us changing your mouse fixes the problem? Don't you think this sentence could be true: IT IS MICROSOFT'S MOUSE DRIVER FAULT AND IT IS THEIR(MS) RESPONSIBILITY TO FIX THE BUG Microsoft Mouse = Bug Logitech Mouse != Bug MS Mouse on Jami's system = Bug MS Mouse on Tony's system != Bug You admit that PROTEL WORKS with a Logitech mouse. You hear from me that PROTEL WORKS with a Microsoft Mouse (on MY system) Why do you insist it's Protel's fault? Maybe they could be generous and find a 'workaround' for your screwed up mouse, but I certainly don't blame them for it. I'm done! Tony -Original Message- From: JaMi Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 12:58 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Cc: JaMi Smith Subject: Re: [PEDA] Speaking of Protel Bugs. - Original Message - From: Tony Karavidas [EMAIL PROTECTED] snip The real issue is that statements like: No it's not unstable. (Not for me at least) That is exactly what I'm using for a mouse. I'm using whatever driver that came with Win2000. gloss over the problem. The operative phrase is (Not for me at least), and that is a primary indication that could in fact be a Protel problem, simply by virtue of the fact that it is so inconsistant. (In reality, the very nature of the problem itself points the finger at Protel). What!? You have examples of people that use the MS wheel mouse just fine with P99SE. That is exactly what I was responding to here - someone saying that they were using a Microsoft Wheel Mouse and the software delivered with Windowa 2000 (which is Intellimouse), and he was saying that it worked just fine. Ask him. Next, you state you GOT RID of your MS mouse and purchased a Logitech mouse and all your problems went away and you STILL blame Protel?
Re: [PEDA] PPC to word insertion
I reccomend adobe acrobat for pcb files. However, version 4 on w2000 sp2 does not work on sch files. For those I use efax. For low cost if you subsribe to efax, you can use their prit driver/display software to export to tiff or jpeg. Does anyone know if acrobat 5 works with sch files? Mike - Original Message - From: Yuriy Khapochkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 7:37 AM Subject: [PEDA] PPC to word insertion Does anybody know how to insert PPC (PCBPrint) image into Microsoft Word? I would appreciate any ideas better, than printing - scanning. Yuriy Khapochkin. * Tracking #: A90690A739593B4B829B4449AA8525A82604F7AC * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Anyone know of a Altera listserver? and Single/Dual CPU
Ok, So it seems that the consensus here is that twin CPU machines are desireable. I am in a quandry because the goal here truly is to maximize productivity. So, what influences my productivity? Right now I am in a max plus II design cycle where I am waiting on compiles for up to 10 min. watching 99% CPU usage assigned to max2win. It seems that the fastest possible solution to the single problem of compile time is: fasted possible CPU. highest possible memory bandwidth. Since the problem is only going to run on a single processor (current software rev anyway) is it not true that the compile time will be minimized in a single CPU configuration (MAX speed...) Of note the single CPU 2.53ghz boards w/ pc1066 rambus memory seem to be the fastest CPU/memory bandwidth configuration available. I have 3 other computers including my old 1ghz athalon available. So, I can check my e-mail... on the other machines while waiting. I currently don't use the auto-router (high speed mixed analog/digital/ecl...), although there may be a reason to in the future (like if the new autorouter from PROTEL is worth beans. I can live with the single processor limits on Max plus II. (OS slow as molassis during compiles) I can live with one processor using PROTEL (no autorouter), although an OS available during sims would be nice;) Any seasoned guesses out there on performance increase (compiles/autorouting/sim) from 1Ghz athalon 100Mhz fsb to: 1. Dual Athalon MP2000+ 1gb 266Mhz DDR. (around $2500) 2. 2.53 Ghz P4 533mhz fsb 1gb pc1066 rambus. ( around $2500 3. dual xeon 2.4 400mhz fsb 1gb pc800 rambus. (over $5k) By the way in no way do I disagree with the 2 processor vs 1 processor for overall usability, but the SOLE justification right now for the new machine is a productivity increase on compiles. We all know though that there will of course be later requirements. Oh, and one more time: does anyone know of an altera listserver? I can't get newsgroups until I wring out some stuff w/ my ISP (pacbell dsl). Thanks again, Mike * Tracking #: FD5D6646A251974798B62B497F11CE74E237106C * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] Anyone know of a Altera listserver? and Single/Dual CPU
Compilation timess are getting too slow on my pokey old 1Ghz Athalon ;) I use the same computer for Protel and Max plus II. . As I understand it Protel is not multi-threaded, and does not benefit much from dual cpu Altera apps claims they all use dual cpu units. They also claimed that Max plus II does benfit. So, Anyone out here have any suggestions? Also the old video card question for Protel. Currently using Matrox g200. Any reccomends? Want a RELIABLE system. Mike * Tracking #: 69248771D43D294393F5A56935493745797B32A3 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Protel PLD/CUPL Question
I would consider the PLD section of PROTEL a dead design tool. I would either use the free wincupl or go to a commercial compiler from one of the big boys. Mike Using altera parts and Max plus 2 - Original Message - From: matt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 7:14 PM Subject: [PEDA] Protel PLD/CUPL Question We have a customer who are using Protel 99se (sp6) . We are doing a complex RF design for this company which includes a small CPLD . They've selected a specific CPLD from Atmel due to lots of other parameters , and we have to live with the customer's choice (not under our control -besides it seemed an ok choice ). Unfortunately , in Protel 99se , the CPLD wizard parts selection menu offers most of Atmel's CPLD's, _except_ for the one we want to use ( the 1504asl ) . Moreover , Atmel has a free trial version of Protel 99se on their website (only includes schematic and CPLD/CUPL) , unfortunately packaged together with lots of other useless nonsense (for us) . It installs by default a VHDL compiler , plus some FPGA stuff and screws up the already installed full version of Protel 99se . All attempts to identify the library and/or configuration files that allow the Atmel trial version of Protel99se to include the 1504asl part have failed . We're too late in the game to change parts, boards are already made, RF sections are working but we can't configure the full blown Protel 99se to select our part and generate our CPLD file for the Atmel atf1504asl . We could use other means to generate the CPLD design but our client wants to maintain everything under Protel if possible . Atmel also offers a free version of WINCUPL as an alternative , unfortunately Logical Devices stopped sellign and supporting this package and we don't want to generate a new design using a dead CAD tool. Any help would be greatly appreciated . Best Regards, Matt Tudor , MSEE http://www.gigahertzelectronics.com * Tracking #: 149A41898E79C74394543BAF7BA71D00CDF350CF * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] simcode
The online help. Also when tring to add components, I looked at how PROTEL had done it with supported components. Try one of the demo simulations. Mike - Original Message - From: Ken Henrich [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2002 6:39 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] simcode Hi Mike, Thanks for the reply. Have you found any other description of simcode aside from that which is in the Protel manual? Regards Ken * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] simcode
I use the simcode with success usually. I previously used PSpice, but find that hte PROTEL spice is good as far as the simulations go. I sure miss the probes though. I am finding that with experience I can get the same info from PROTEL, but that it is harder to learn. Mike - Original Message - From: Ken Henrich [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 24, 2002 5:27 AM Subject: [PEDA] simcode Hi, Does anyone know of a better simcode description than that in the Protel handbook? Regards Ken * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] controlled impedance traces ?
In use Hyperlynx line sim to calculate impedance from stackup, trace width, copper thickness, plating thickness, dielectric constant. There are good write-ups with tables/equations in the LVDS section of the national semi website. Regarding Advanced circuits: I believe I have read something to the effedct that they do not necessarily follow your stackup (prepreg/core width definitions) Yuo should contact them and get a recommended stackup, and verification that they will manufacture to that stackup. Mike -Original Message- From: rimas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 7:07 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: [PEDA] controlled impedance traces ? hi there, i suppose this question doesn't have to do with protel specifically, but i was hoping someone could answer it for me or at least point me in the right direction. (i'm not a full time PCB layout person by the way) i'm presently laying out a board with a big xilinx fpga and a gigabit ethernet phy chip on it. the datasheet for the gigabit chip says that the connections between chips need to be done with 50 ohm impedance traces. how do i calculate the impedance of a trace ? it seems like trace width and stackup order are the only two variables i have to play with. i am planning to have protos of this board made by advanced circuits, in case that makes any difference. thanks for any help, -rimas * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] 3D views of PCB?
FOR 99SE SP6 bottom of the explorer box is a outline of a PC card. grab it with your cursor and drag it to rotate. I prefer to check the axis constraint box. Mike -Original Message- From: Leonard Gabrielson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2002 2:02 PM To: PROTELEDA Subject: [PEDA] 3D views of PCB? Hi everybody, Does anybody remember how to rotate the 3D view of the PCB? Maybe it doesn't rotate anymore?? Any help appreciated. Len * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] 3D views of PCB?
Works well on my Matrox G200. Abiet slow. Mike -Original Message- From: Tony Karavidas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2002 3:04 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] 3D views of PCB? Use the little window to the left of the main window. When you put the cursor in there, it shows up as a curved quad arrow cursor, and you hold down the left mouse button while moving in there. The 3D viewer still sucks though. It doesn't even paint correctly on my card with new Nvidia drivers. I wonder exactly what cards it does work on properly? I have tried it on three machines and three different cards, and I see graphic anomolies on every one of them. Maybe it will be improved in Phoenix??? Tony -Original Message- From: Leonard Gabrielson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2002 2:02 PM To: PROTELEDA Subject: [PEDA] 3D views of PCB? Hi everybody, Does anybody remember how to rotate the 3D view of the PCB? Maybe it doesn't rotate anymore?? Any help appreciated. Len * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Trying to trace junk mail listing.
I also got it. -Original Message- From: Brian Guralnick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 2:14 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: [PEDA] Trying to trace junk mail listing. Has anyone else here got mail from e-teknet? I've been especially careful, but, somehow, I got on their email list. Brian Guralnick * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Printing in 3D View mode
Mine prints OK. Setup 99SE sp6 w2k printer postscript (qms colorscript 1000 level 2, actually a printer hooked to a LINUX box running ghostscript) Mike -Original Message- From: JaMi Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 11:41 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Cc: JaMi Smith; JaMi Smith Subject: [PEDA] Printing in 3D View mode I am trying to print a 3D View, and while I am going thru the motions, and everything appears to be OK, I don't get any output. I have tried via the PCB Toolbar (PCBPrint:PrintPreview), and also thru the File Menu (FilePrint), but neither get me any output, either to a printer or Acrobat PDF File. Is it me, or is it Protel? JaMi Smith * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] PCB view from bottom of board??
Re doing it w/ Gerbers... I haven't watched this whole (hole ;) ) thread, so I hope I am not being redundant. Anyway, You can quickly mirror the bottom layer in CAMTASTIC. I have never bothered to print from CAMTASTIC, but it looks to be capable. I will be printing the mirrored layer Monday or Tuesday, and will follow up w/ its sucess. Creating the mirror took about 3 strokes. Mike -Original Message- From: Ian Wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 6:03 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] PCB view from bottom of board?? On 07:01 PM 22/02/2002 +1100, Geoff Harland said: Bottom line: if Altium have visions of providing an inverting feature in Phoenix, then this should be provided in a form which inverts the *entire* PCB; there should not be an additional option (or alternative implementation) of inverting *just* selected items. It is debatable as to what *should* happen when the L key is pressed, but attempting to implement an inversion of objects which are currently in a selected state (and *just* those objects) does have the potential to produce nasty results. Does anyone else have any thoughts on this matter? Regards, Geoff Harland. I usually don't want to invert the board as an end to itself - I just want to sometimes be able to work from the bottom - so just a viewpoint thing not a database thing would serve most of my purposes. An invert maybe useful when laying up SM components both side on a panel and using the alternate rows flipped technique of minimising pick and place machine setup. But doing this with Gerbers instead of the PCB is possible of course. Also, Abd ul-Rahman's comments about design re-use are valid. Hmmm - maybe it is time to re-visit the invert server... I think if we made the compromise that it only dealt with visible entities (so did not try to play games with layer pairs, design rules etc), only affected Top and Bottom Layer entities and associated layers, did not support undo (this was a big cause of problems) then we could release something that makes a good fist of typical inversion requirements - the existing beta server would be cut back to achieve this. Any interest in a cut down server that did not try to fully invert the whole database but just the top and bottom layers? And I personally would not be doing anything on this until I saw what Phoenix had - since we have requested bottom-viewing, inversion and mech layer associativity (all these being somewhat related) it would not surprise me to see that there was not something there in the next version - they are, after all, nice marketable features. Ian Wilson * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] results of performance problems
Are you really running w95? I suppose you may have noticed that w2k is the currently preferred base OS for PROTEL. Although who can take a few days off to reintall eberything and get it working. Mike -Original Message- From: Bob Jones [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 2:11 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PEDA] results of performance problems Hi All, This is what I've found out while trying to increase the performance of my computer: 1). The file that was causing my processor to have 100% usage all the time was a file called DNETC.EXE, which is located in the c:\windows\system directory. This is from a company called Distributed Computing Technologies, Inc. It's product name is distributed.net client. This app apparently uses the computers idle time, but gives back the cpu when it's needed by another program. I have no idea where this came from and it's not on any other computer. It appears to be some type of monitoring program that updates their web site over the Internet whenever I log on. All of this without you ever knowing . I don't recall ever volunteering for anything like this so I've removed it from the startup and everything seems to run the same - cpu now fluctuates % . I found this out by using a program called wintop.exe. It shows you which programs are running and what % of cpu time they are taking. If anyone is interested in it ..go to http://www.microsoft.com/windows95/downloads/contents/wutoys/w95kerneltoy/ there will be a Windows 95 Kernel Toys Set download. 2). While this didn't fix my performance issues ( remember 2 minutes 12 seconds to move text), it at least rules it out. What has made a performance increase was to follow some advise on a Compaq users site. - First Run MSCONFIG - go to Start menu / Run type msconfig press ok, then choose the startup tab delete whatever startup items you don't need. Be warned, some of these programs MUST start at Startup or Windows will fail. Before doing anything else, click the Cleanup button to remove obsolete items. A good rule of thumb: if a file's path begins with c:\Windows\ then you should leave it alone. then click on system.ini, (top left) - In your system.ini, add the line ConservativeSwapfileUsage=1 under [386enh] - Then delete your temporary internet files, right click on start, choose explore, then in the list on the left hilite temporary internet files, press edit (top left), then select all, then top right press delete - yes. - you can also delete the temporary internet files using the internet options, which ever is easier for you. - Now Run Scandisk, then Defrag your drives, (if your defrag won't complete it's task, then use this: www.powerdefrag.com -(it'll reboot into defrag using your system tools with no programs running, so it's much more effective). This has made my computer feel snappy, but to move that same text was still unacceptable. Below is a chart for what increase performance: 0805 deviceSOP device -- Original performance:082:12 -- after processor and :061:47 Compaq suggestions -- with DRC on/basic rules:04 :13 -- with DRC off/ basic rules:02:10 This performance I can live with although still slower than the other computer and it has all rules on. Thanks all of you for your help, I haven't yet tried all my options from you, but I need to move on. I'm over and out! Bob Jones Digitized Technologies 2 Summit Road P.O.Box 7284 06712-1541 Prospect, CT. 06712-1541 Tel: 203-758-6312 Fax: 203-758-3338 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Notice: This message is intended solely for the person to whom it is addressed. Unintended recipients will be legally responsible for unauthorized use, disclosure, copying or distribution. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by replying to this message. Then delete this message from your system. Thank you. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] RF footprints
I place a split plane with a 1 mil (or smaller) border. Then I trace around the border with a track on the plane of the desired width (50 mil). I leave an opening where I want it (say under the ADC for example). Effectively this shors there and still passes DRC. Mike -Original Message- From: Damon Kelly [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 5:51 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] RF footprints Yes, I would really like a Tie Net entity! Particularly (or most commonly) for the analog ground and digital ground situation. I set different nets in the schematic, but when it comes time to layout the PCB, the DRC spits the dummy when I tie the two grounds together at the star point. Does anyone have a work-around for this? i.e. keep the two grounds (AGND and DGND) separate, EXCEPT for the nominated tie point Damon Kelly Hardware Engineer -Original Message- From: Ian Wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, 21 February 2002 11:25 To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] RF footprints On 04:25 PM 20/02/2002 -0800, JaMi Smith said: In view of your understanding of the problem, I take it then that you too agree that there is a need for this issue to be presented to Protel. Really, not ranting, JaMi No, but care must be taken with language - mine was carefully chosen to be rude. I am not sure if you wanted to create the impression of superciliousness but I am afraid that is the impression I took away from a reply that starts: Abdul, Well ~ You're almost right . . . A typical RF Choke on a PCB is a certain length conductor (typically 1/4 (Especially after the last recent round of email designed to goad the only list member who *really* takes that time to understand the subtleties of each persons questions and responses.) Anyway on to matters of substance - Yes, I would like a Tie entity that was able to safely control the shorting of nets. This entity should be embeddable in library components as well as be able to be used as a free entity. It should not constrain us as to what width it has and ideally what shape it can take. IMO, it should certainly allow for safe net collisions in the following forms: 1) track to track (tracks include arcs) 2) track to pad 3) track to fill 4) fill to fill 5) pad to pad may be difficult but may also be a nice feature. I would also like the Allow Short Circuits design rule to have region and object scopes. This has been discussed before. At the time it was discussed in the manner in which we have found has results with Protel now Altium. That is constructive discussion about where the flaw maybe and then suggestions for how it can be better. Many of us who were part of the debacle of P99 and then the major improvements in P99SE have learnt that cryptic comments like Go ask Protel have no beneficial effect. Much better to present the issue, state what you would like and then have a calm, warts-and-all discussion. Protel do watch this list and, I am sure,note when consensus is forming and also, I am sure, go away and think about methods of implementing some of the features that we have not been able to agree on how best to implement. Lecture off, Ian Wilson * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Writing messages all day . . PLEASE stop!
JaMi, No, I don't have to be reading this thread, but I have, and as such, I find it offensive that someone who sounds very disgruntled, has chosen this list to vent in. Mr lomax has been of enourmous benefit to me as an engineer who must occasionally do a layout using PROTEL. Both from a PROTEL usage point of view, and as a board designer. I get the impression that I am not alone on this. You embarrass yourself. If not for Mr Lomax, then please stop for your own benefit. Mike * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] recovery using backup files follow up
I have successfully imported all files. After removing the old files and renaming the imported backup files back to the old file names, the hiearchy was no longer in place. I was able to move from the top level of the hiearchy down, causing the lower level file to automatically open. I could not move back up, nor was the hiearchy displayed in the explorer. I closed and re-opened. No change. Finally I ran an ERC, and this fixed the hiearchy. Mike -Original Message- From: Mike Ingle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2002 11:01 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: [PEDA] recovery using backup files My daughter accidentally turned off my Protel computer, and when I re-opened my design, a couple days work were gone. I have successfully imported the PCB from the backup directory. It now has a new name though. I am hoping to recover the sch files I had changed also, but would like to keep the file names the same, and keep my hiearchy intact. Any suggestions. mike * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] recovery using backup files
My daughter accidentally turned off my Protel computer, and when I re-opened my design, a couple days work were gone. I have successfully imported the PCB from the backup directory. It now has a new name though. I am hoping to recover the sch files I had changed also, but would like to keep the file names the same, and keep my hiearchy intact. Any suggestions. mike -Original Message- From: Bob Wolfe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2002 10:22 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Auto router Dwight, Unrelated to actual Router Setup but, Just a question only .015 inch gap for Tip Ring to all other nets, that might be good for between Tip and Ring Or is it not the actual Tip Ring coming directly from CO but rather further down stream that connects to some sort of system station card then ultimately to a phone??? Bob Robert M. Wolfe, C.I.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Dwight Harm [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 10:14 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Auto router I use the autorouter often, but: - I only use Route All - Boards are not too complex, e.g., 5x7, 4-layer, some fine-pitch but no BGA. - I use a layer-specific keepout, but I pre-routed all the nets within that area. FWIW, I did a Report of my design rules, and the ones marked Rule Followed By Router are listed at the end of this message. (I deleted some Clearance Constraint rules for specific nets; they're all similar to the first one shown.) If you search the archives, I think there have been discussions of successfully doing BGA pre-fan-outs. -Original Message- From: Ted Tontis Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 9:20 AM I can get the auto router to route the manual fan outs, and in some locations I can get the auto router to just route the area I have selected. I can never get the auto router to route the board without it looking like it went through a skeet competition. This is why I figured I would fan out the board by hand then area route the board and do it in sections. I left just enough room to get the tracks in between the vias, trying to keep it nice neat. This is not working as well as I had hoped. Can any one share one success story with the auto router and possibly share the setup they used. I know that there a only a few design rules that are related to the auto router, maybe I am just missing one? Thank you, Ted - Clearance Constraint : Enabled = YesName = TipRingClearance Scope1 = TipRingVoltage Scope2 = Board Connectivity = Different Nets Gap = 15mil Rule Followed By Router Enabled = YesName = ClearanceShort1X2 Scope1 = HDR-1X2-SH-T Scope2 = HDR-1X2-SH-T Connectivity = Different Nets Gap = 0mil Rule Followed By Router Enabled = YesName = Clearance Scope1 = Board Scope2 = Board Connectivity = Different Nets Gap = 8mil Rule Followed By Router Width Constraint : Enabled = YesName = EdgePullBack Scope = No Net Minimum = 8mil Maximum = 50mil Preferred = 8mil Rule Followed By Router Enabled = YesName = PowerWidth Scope = Power Minimum = 10mil Maximum = 15mil Preferred = 12mil Rule Followed By Router Enabled = YesName = GroundWidth Scope = Grounds Minimum = 10mil Maximum = 20mil Preferred = 10mil Rule Followed By Router Enabled = YesName = Width Scope = Board Minimum = 8mil Maximum = 20mil Preferred = 8mil Rule Followed By Router Routing Topology : Enabled = YesName = RoutingTopology Scope = Board Topology = Shortest Rule Followed By Router Routing Layers : Enabled = YesName = RoutingLayers Scope = Board Layers = Routing Layers Rule Followed By Router Routing Corners : Enabled = YesName = RoutingCorners Scope = Board Style = 45-Degree Minimum = 50mil Maximum = 200mil Rule Followed By Router Routing Via Style : Enabled = YesName = RoutingVias Scope = Board Min H. Size = 16mil Max H. Size = 20mil Pref. H. Size = 16mil Min Width = 32mil Max Width = 40mil Pref. Width = 32mil Style = Rule Followed By Router --end * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Protel 99 se SP4 on Windows XP Home
While in general agreement that I am not interested in moving to XP, one is faced with the fact that almost all new PCs come with it. Thus usres buying partticularly name brand PCs are going to be faced with using XP, or coming up with an old license for win 2k (my preference). I hate that Protel is going to have to invest engineering effort into XP compatability rather than autorouter and other basic feature upgrades. Basically as I see it we are all going to be paying for the fact that XP is not compatible with previous windows versions. Protel has no choice but to make their product compatible with the latest version of windows. Mike -Original Message- From: Sean James [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 9:58 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Protel 99 se SP4 on Windows XP Home Why is anybody bothering with a lousy piece of software like XP in the first place? Sean James PCB Designer Telecast Fiber Systems, Inc. 102 Grove Street Worcester, MA 01605 (TEL) 508.754.4858 x33 (FAX) 413.541.6170 - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: proteledaforum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2002 5:46 AM Subject: [PEDA] Protel 99 se SP4 on Windows XP Home I attempted to find a faq for this forum but failed. I hope this question has not been over-asked. I have a new PC with WinXP home, when Protel 99 se is installed. XP help and support fails to run. System info fails to run, sfc /scannow fails to run. A comlete format and re-install is required to get these items operational again and they fail immediately when Protel 99 se is installed. I know that the Protel site shows Win 2000 compatibility and not XP but does anyone know a workaround for the problems with XP? Or has anyone else experienced the same problems but do not know a workaround? Regards [EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted from Association web site by: Derek Ellis * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] R: First announcement of Phoenix by Altium
It looks to me like the logical answer here is: We get all of the features of ATS EXCEPT free upgrade to next version. And on purchase of the upgrade we receive all of the features. They want there money for the next release. Which while I wish it were different, I actually think is reasonable. Mike -Original Message- From: Jason Morgan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 9:10 AM To: 'Protel EDA Forum' Subject: Re: [PEDA] R: First announcement of Phoenix by Altium Its seems Premier should inform their own staff better. -Original Message- From: Stephen Casey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 05 December 2001 16:52 To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] R: First announcement of Phoenix by Altium Jason, Bettina at Premier definitely told me that as i paid before 1/10/01, I do NOT get ATS, and will have to pay for the next release, but they don't know how much. Steve. -Original Message- From: Jason Morgan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 05 December 2001 16:30 To: 'Protel EDA Forum' Subject: Re: [PEDA] R: First announcement of Phoenix by Altium I can confirms it's true (at least for the UK) I received the following flyer from Premier EDA www.cropwell.net/protel/protel99.jpg Looks like all of our shouting has paid off, lets just hope its all its an improvement on 99SE!! J. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] router settings
Unless there is some reason not to can the reply be posted so the rest of us might benefit from the recommended router settings? My other question here, is why wouldn't the reply have been posted here in the first place? Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 12:27 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Antwort: Reply1 MS versus Linux I can back that statement, Abd ul-Rahman. Last week I received a mail directed only to me from Protel support concerning the setup of the router. I had not turned to them directly; they had been reading my postings on this thread. Regards, Gisbert Auge N.A.T. GmbH Abd ul-RahmanAn: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lomax Kopie: marjan@noho.Thema: Re: [PEDA] Reply1 MS versus Linux com 23.11.2001 21:49 Bitte antworten an Protel EDA Forum At 10:24 AM 11/23/01 -0500, Fred A Rupinski wrote: Has anyone seen Protel reply directly to this forum? Yes, on 11/20/01, from Samual Sattel, regarding Protel usage I did not find that post in my archive. I suspect that Mr. Sattel may have written directly to Mr. Rupinski in response to a Rupinski post on this list. That is not uncommon. Protel, I was informed perhaps two years ago, has a policy that employees do not post to this list except for Protelcsc, Protel Customer Service Center, which occasionally pops in when they can easily clear up some mystery that we have not handled for ourselves within a reasonable time. Exceptions are quite rare. We are pretty sure that very many employees do read this list, though perhaps fewer than was the case at one time, and perhaps once in a while an employee gets carried away and responds directly. I have been asked by an employee on occasion to convey some information to the list, a way around the restriction. At one time Protel and the users had a fairly serious adversarial stance toward each other; I think that the rule originated at that time. It was far too easy for flame wars to start. There would be other reasons as well; it can take a lot of time to write thoughtfully and it is perhaps not the best usage of employee time. I know that Mr. Foley of Accel wrote on the Accel user support list with a serious anti-time-wasting message directed at the users as well as, perhaps, at employees. But we know what happened to him, I don't think he is in the CAD business any more. I can say that there were many Accel customers who, while they were insecure about the future of the product when Protel took over, nevertheless were not sorry to see Mr. Foley go. Obviously, it is up to the users and their companies what is a waste and what is not. However, I *would* recommend a certain level of participation by certain kinds of Protel employee. Imagine how we would feel if a development engineer were actively asking us questions and reflecting on the answers. Relations have improved to the point that serious rudeness from a few users would be pretty strongly damped by the user community. Rules for employee participation could be developed, such as, for example, that employees would not respond to flames, that employees would need to be authorized by Protel to participate here, and limits might be placed on what the employees could reveal. I do think, however, that the value of secrecy is vastly overblown. Some matters properly remain secret, but secrecy clearly hampers communication (well, duh!), and good communication between the developers and users could greatly increase the pace of program improvement. On the other hand, there are also other ways that communication could be improved. A user panel is one possibility that has been mentioned; these users would be under NDA so the secrecy issues would not be such a problem; but they would be allowed to let the user community know that they were in communication with Protel and could serve as a conduit for surveys, etc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Abdulrahman Lomax Easthampton, Massachusetts USA * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] interactive routing doesn't route more than 1 route at a time before it exits interactive routing
Interactive routing used to allow me to continue on a new route by right mouse clicking. Now it exits interactive routing after each trace. Does anyone know how to return to normal operation. Mike * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] how to kill a spice simulation
there is a stop button with a white hand that is on the tooldbar of the simulation display. Mike -Original Message- From: Ken Henrich [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 6:22 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PEDA] how to kill a spice simulation Hi all, Does anyone know how to kill a spice simulation that is taking too long? tia * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] how to kill a spice simulation
My machine has always been able to respond... -Original Message- From: Coleman, Tim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 7:23 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] how to kill a spice simulation And when that doesn't work because the machine is just too far gone to be able to do anything... ctrl-alt-del -Original Message- From: Mike Ingle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 2:37 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] how to kill a spice simulation there is a stop button with a white hand that is on the tooldbar of the simulation display. Mike -Original Message- From: Ken Henrich [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 6:22 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PEDA] how to kill a spice simulation Hi all, Does anyone know how to kill a spice simulation that is taking too long? tia * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Windows 2000
I don't remember the specifics, but until I installed sp2 for win2k I had problems. Mike -Original Message- From: Ron Tupa [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 3:10 PM To: Multiple recipients of list proteledausers Subject: [PEDA] Windows 2000 Just loaded Service Pack 6 for Protel 99SE under Windows 2000. When we shut down, it hangs there for about a minute, then a message, Program not responding , Program will be shut down and then shuts down. Has anyone else seen this? -- Ron Tupa ElectroMechanical Engineer Adtron Corporation 3710 East University Phoenix, Arizona 85034 Telephone 602-735-0335 Fax 602-735-0359 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] keep out around op-amp input.
I need to keep several mm clear around an op amp input. On the power planes this is easy, as I just place a fill on the plane, and that removes the copper (I hope). I am also placing a gnd pour on the top and bottom layers. I have found that a fill on the keep out layer works to keep the area clear of the poly-plane, but causes DRC errors. is there a more correct way to do this? Mike ingle Ancore -Original Message- From: Colby Siemer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 1:04 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Graphic cards and performance Ahh... finally resubscribed after my most recent dislocation. Hello again :) Another possibility here is that it is not related to graphics or performance issues related to hardware at all. It is also possible(since selecting a via seemed to trigger it) that this is just another instance of the slowdown caused while 'Analyzing Nets' If that via was part of a large net, that is also likely connected to polygons, then hiding that net will remove the pause. Also... ATI(especially RAGE Chipset) has old long standing issues with Protel and lock-ups. Turning the hardware acceleration down one notch will fix this in some cases. As video cards are relatively in-expensive I have always suggested buying a new card. Last I remember the consensus for good success and stability was placed on Matrox cards. More and faster video memory will help with Screen redraws while moving through a PCB... but I don't think they help with much more than that. I am currently using an ATI Radeon 64(after promising myelf I would never again purchase ATI :) ) and I have had good performance with Protel(and Excellent performance in my games)... no problems I can relate directly to the video card... so maybe ATI has stepped things up a bit on their new chipset. Colby Siemer - Original Message - From: Andrew Ircha [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 4:56 AM Subject: [PEDA] Graphic cards and performance I noticed someone else mentioned they used a TNT card. I have NT4 on an 800MHz Athlon, with 1GB, but I often find Protel 99SE (SP6) pausing after simple operations (like selecting a via for example). I don't, however, think the graphics card is the latest and greatest. What do others think about how the graphics card they have affecting the performance of Protel 99SE? I have a Rage128 Pro (AGP 4x) Regards, -- Andrew Ircha * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] virtual short on power plane
I am trying to control curent paths in a mixed signal design. I have separate gounds, an over-all ground plane with isolated islands which should only connect under an ADC. I created a separate island with its own net assignment and on the pcb implemented it by using a 0.1mil border all the way around the island. This should effectively be a short? HELP HERE. I then traced the 0.1mil border with a 20mil line all the way around the island, except where I wanted it to join. Should this work? The gerbers are created correctly. What will happen at the board house? Is there something else I should do? Thanks, Mike Ingle Ancore -Original Message- From: Ian Wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 4:11 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [PEDA] (small unrelated bug found) (ex: Mechanikal Layers are disappearing) On 03:37 PM 13/09/2001 -0700, Brad Velander said: Thanks guys, for confirming it is not a singular isolated problem (based on response only). It is an annoying little problem which limits the effectiveness of using Mech layers 5 - 16. I had thought it was a code problem because it was consistent across a number of machines, video cards and had always been present since we switched to P99SE with only the new mech layers being effected. Anybody out there have any ideas to fix or root out the cause of this problem? Has anybody brought this up with Protel Tech support, what was their response? I do not see the problem. I have just been investigating and found a different small bug that may affect database stability (but not badly I suspect). First, my config Win2k, nVidia TNT2 graphics. I tried quite a few combinations of single layer mode (both locally for the layers and globally and other options and preferences as I thought may affect it. I could not see the problem. What we do not know is if it is a database issue, a configuration issue or a machine issue. If someone wants to email a file that shows the problem *and* their RCS and *99SE.INI files (all zipped of course) I am prepared to have a quick go and see what gives. On to the (minor) bug - In doing the testing I enabled layers Mech 7 to 10, I then placed a bunch of tracks on Mech 9 and 10. I then double clicked one of the Mech 9 tracks and changed its layer to Mech 7 (there were no other entities on Mech 7). In Design|Mechanical Layers... found that I was still able to Mech 7 off, even though it had a track on it. The database had not correctly determined that there was an entity on the layer and so allowed me to disable Mech 7. Interestingly though, the track was still visible and its colour remained correct for Mech 7. Double clicking this track showed that the system though it was on Top Layer (possibly just picking the lowest indexed enabled layer to display in the Edit Track layer edit box). Re-enabling Mech Layer 7 seemed to get everything sorted out OK. I did not try saving and re-opening the PCB file or the DDB. Tech support can do this (they have been CC'ed on this mail). The fix is presumably to improve the ability to check for entities on a layer before allowing that layer to be disabled. Ian Wilson * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Spam trawlers in this group
I am getting it. I am not subscribed to PCD mag. I am also on embedded linux and LART groups. -Original Message- From: Andrew J Jenkins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 4:43 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Spam trawlers in this group On 04:27 PM 8/27/2001 -0700, Brad Velander wrote: Michael, Possibly the EDA Tool Cafe is getting it from PCD Mag or some of the other Miller Freeman group publications, I just recently renewed a couple of subscriptions and supplied my email address for further subscription renewals. That's got to be it, blame Pete Waddel, flame his butt at the next PCB Design Conference! 8^ Possibly someone could make the enquiry of PCD? Check what they state the email address shall or shall not be used for, etc.. I will try to take a look at their subscription page tonight, anybody got a contact within the magazine itself? Nah, doesn't compute. I got the same thing, and I dropped my subscription to PCD nearly a year ago. My guess is still that it comes from here, whether by some ibsystem employee subcribing and violating the group policy or as Mike Beavis suggested, through the archives. The interesting thing, though, is that their site doesn't include Protel as an EDA vendor... In any case, I'm generating a list of possible reply addresses for a potent deinculsion request addresses at ibsystems by PEDA members. More to come... FWIW, ibsystems has been at this spam game for quite some time. See google and enter ibsystems for more info aj * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * - or email - * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=leave%20proteledaforum * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] IGNORE COMP LIB ACCESS POST
Just a note on this, I kept getting burned by version ocntrol, as you change filenames to save back old versions, the library files stay with the old filename until you update the pointer. I have finally decided to have a design file which is only for libraries, and not include library files in designs. Any better ideas out there for library management? Mike -Original Message- From: Robison Michael R CNIN [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 1:07 PM To: 'Protel EDA Forum' Subject: [PEDA] IGNORE COMP LIB ACCESS POST i figured it out... i needed to add the entire project ddb, not the specific component library. when i added the entire project ddb, the new tmod.lib showed up in the access list. it wasn't exactly intuitive, but there's not a lot of that in protel anyway. miker -Original Message- From: Robison Michael R CNIN Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 2:54 PM To: 'Protel EDA Forum' Subject: [PEDA] can't add component library access ?? hello, its been a while since i built a component library and it was kinda tricky the first time so i just kept adding to the same lib and using it for all my jobs. now i've come to where i need to create a new library and i'm having some trouble. i created the library with no problem: file/new/ and selected the schematic library icon. but when i go back to my schematic, select the browse sch tab and hit add/remove and browse down in the change library file list dialog box to the ddb that my new lib was created in, and change the file type to lib, i only get a listing for the BACKUP of tmod.lib. thats not right, is it? on a hunch, i closed the tmod.lib that i created and tried again, thinking that maybe it couldn't access an open file, but that didn't change anything. why is it that the change library dialog only wants to offer me a backup of the tmod.lib and not the lib itself? what am i doing wrong? thanks, miker * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * - or email - * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=leave%20proteledaforum * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Signal Integrity dialog locks up.
Hyperlynx sells a signal integrity/emi tool that is supposed to be great. I Use it before layout only, to set trace widths and look at signals vs diferent termination schemes. I have yet to successfully use the signal integrity tools in Protel. They don't seem, to be its shining star. The basic layout, and auto-router are OK, but certainly not up to Specctra standards. In summary, I think that the schamtic entry and board layout functionality of Protel is as good as anything I have seen, and by reading the correspondence on this list would say that the more expensive packages are not better in this respect. On the other hand, the addition of Specctra is wise for auto-routing. Do any other basic layout packages do a better auto-routing job? Just as a place to say this, I wish that there was a way that good FPGA tools were integrated w/ the schematic capture, package (w/ good footprints avail for layout). I spend most of my time enterering 200+ pin symbols into the schematic library, just to have to change them manually when I rev the part. mike -Original Message- From: Darryl Newberry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 12:49 PM To: 'Protel EDA Forum' Subject: Re: [PEDA] Signal Integrity dialog locks up. OK, thanks everybody for your input on this issue. The list is a really great resource. The reality is I have about 6 board designs that have to go out for fast turn proto this week and hopefully go into a commercial UL/FCC/CE/USB ready product by September. I don't know what all YOU people do all day long, but my boss doesn't want me to sit on my fat hairy ass for hours waiting for $8000 bloatware to complete basic signal analysis. (No offense to those whose bosses do--and please tell me where to send my resume! ;-) ) In summary, after using Protel for about 4 weeks to TRY to get a lot of real work done, I have formed the opinion that it just basically sucks--lots of cutesy trees, tabs, windows, icons and menus, lots of feature-itis, but not much real engineering guts or ease of use. THE EMPEROR HAS NO CLOTHES!!! And yes I CAN talk because I've spent the last 10 years designing various commercial products with P-Cad, PADS, Accel/Tango EDA, and now Protel. About the only positive thing I can say about Protel right now is that I am glad that I wasn't the engineer who recommended purchasing two seats. Unfortunately I am more or less forced to use it. OK, it _is_ better than Xacto knife, Bishop Graphics, and a light table. ;-) My apologies to those who have an irrational emotional attachment to Protel. When I commit , I want results. I know it's not an apples-apples comparison, but Specctra V10 routed the entire board 100%, in 5 passes over 2 layers, with more or less fab-ready results, in about 20 seconds, using the default configuration. This gave me a warm fuzzy feeling, even when considering we blew almost $11K on it with all the bells and whistles. Now for another couple of questions: 1) Can anybody recommend a professional level SI/EMI simulator add-in/on that integrates with either Protel or Specctra--one that actually works? 2) Since I have to keep on using Protel, should I get a dual CPU workstation? What specs for W2K? Darryl Newberry Hardware Engineer Freedom Scientific, Inc 2850 SE Market Pl Stuart FL 34997 (561) 223-6443 http://www.freedomscientific.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * - or email - * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=leave%20proteledaforum * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] need a work around for the 100 sq in restriction
Just a thought, but could you scale all the footprints 1:2 and use 1/2 size traces. Then ask your board shop to plot 2:1? -Original Message- From: Mark E Witherite [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 11:29 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: [PEDA] need a work around for the 100 sq in restriction Hi Everyone I've been assigned to design a simple flex circuit. The problem is it will be 110 X 3.75 inches long. Is there a way to work around the 100 X 100 inch maximum work area? Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Cheers Mark Witherite Sr Research Technologist Astronomy Astrophysics Penn State University 2565 Park Center Blvd Suite 200 State College, PA. 16801 email [EMAIL PROTECTED] telephone 814 865 9839 fax 814 865 9100 IPC PWB Certified * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To join or leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/subscrib.html * - or email - * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=leave%20proteledaforum * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: test: my posts make it to the forum,right?
I received this. -Original Message- From: TSListServer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Drew Lundsten Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 12:09 AM To: Multiple recipients of list proteledausers Subject: [PROTEL EDA USERS]: test: my posts make it to the forum, right? For some reason I get all posts except my own, and I receive replies to my posts so somebody out there gets them. Why don't I? Drew * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This message sent by: PROTEL EDA USERS MAILING LIST * * Use the reply command in your email program to * respond to this message. * * To unsubscribe from this mailing list use the form at * the Association web site. You will need to give the same * email address you originally used to subscribe (do not * give an alias unless it was used to subscribe). * * Visit http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/subscrib.html * to unsubscribe or to subscribe a new email address. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To join or leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/subscrib.html * - or email - * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=leave%20proteledaforum * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] sp6 installed?
I installed sp6 a while back, and could never get it to say includes sp6. The program loads w thhe message includes sp5. help says ver 6.5.2 Mike -Original Message- From: Brad Velander [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 8:46 AM To: 'Protel EDA Forum' Subject: Re: [PEDA] Searching Network for Floating License Tony Steve, I believe that this was answered a while ago by Colby (ex-Protel Tech support). His comment was that Protel had removed the ability to remove the floating licenses check sometime recently in one of the service packs (5 or 6?). If my memory has failed me then someone will step in and correct it. Sincerely, Brad Velander Lead PCB Design Norsat International Inc. #100 - 4401 Still Creek Dr., Burnaby, B.C., Canada. V5C6G9. voice: (604) 292-9089 (direct line) fax:(604) 292-9010 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www: www.norsat.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2001 4:03 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Searching Network for Floating License In a message dated 3/24/01 1:59:46 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I just launched a project that I had created a few weeks ago and two dialog boxes popped up in succession stating the message above. I've never seen this message before. Does anyone know why this would start happening? I have service pack six installed. I have been seeing this as well, but didn't associate it with SP6 until you mentioned it. I can no longer find the box to turn off the fleating licenses, which I don't need, as a one-man shop. But I do have several PCs networked, even though I use Protel on only one of them. Anybody know where they hid the checkbox to turn off the search for floating licenses? Steve Hendrix * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To join or leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/subscrib.html * - or email - * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=leave%20proteledaforum * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Memory Error
Myabe I'm not doing the same things, but I work w/ very large files, and have never had Protel crash since getting rid of my ATI video card, and replacing it w/ a Matrox. I run P99se sp6 (now) on a kt-7 raid 1ghz athalon mainboard w/ 384M memory and a matrox g200 agp video card. I use the simulator, sch, pcb. I also had no problems w/ nt4 sp6 (i think) and p99se sp5 on a 250mhz pii asus mb w/ 128m. Mike -Original Message- From: Tony Karavidas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 5:35 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Memory Error -Original Message- From: Andrew J Jenkins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 12:42 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Memory Error On 01:20 PM 3/26/01 -0600, Ted Tontis said: I am running Protel 99SE SPK6 on W2K. After closing Protel down and open another application that takes up a large amount of memory, I get a memory error. This is the first time I opened the task manager to see what was eating all the memory. I found Protel was still sucking memory even though it was closed. It was not, in fact closed, but had crashed. This actually happens quite often with Protel, at least under W95, NT4, and Win2k. I run into to it frequently, and I suspect that many others do, though I also suspect that they have no idea that it's happening most of the time. The program is choking on exit. IMO, it's just more of Delphi's questionable memory management (spelled: heap fragmentation errors galore) scheme at work, showing off it's prowess at causing problems. I know of only one other applications in my experience which shows the same proclivity towards these errors, and it is also written in...you guessed it...Delphi. Programmers like it! is not the same thing as stable or dependable or enjoyed by the end-user. Hmm.. that one ought'a generate a few snarling flames...g Yeah, just like Microsoft Outlook 2000. I think I'm closing it, but there is crap still running and when I open it again, it doesn't work unless I go into Win2000 task manager and kill previous instantiations. Tony * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To join or leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/subscrib.html * - or email - * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=leave%20proteledaforum * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
