date:20150226

That's for sure!
Much easier to just undo the fender alone.
My only trouble is I can only get about 3.5 turns onto the brake bolt with the 
longer of the two sheldon nuts in my pack. Bleriot crown with R559 brakes and a 
rack on the front like this:
R559-brake spacer thingy-rack tab-knurled spacer thingy- to fork crown. Sheldon 
nut winds 3.5 times onto brake bolt.
LBS said that's fine though. I used loctite stuff on it, too.

But for my other bike I am thinking of just loading it all on the front so I 
can get the recommended six turns with standard Allen brake nut.

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[RBW] Grand Bois rim dumb question.

650b black label 36 hole. Latest generation.

What's the recommended rim tape width?
22 is too wide, 16 is ok, but 18 would be better but cannot find stocked in 
LBS's.
What do you use?
16mm looks to cover about one mm beyond furthest holes and not sure if that 
means too close a fit and hole could get exposed with use.

The lip to lip measurement of the rim is 17, but it's a bit wider in the curve.

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Re: [RBW] Planning first longish bike tour in Oregon. Suggestions?

2015-02-26 Thread SpiralCage

Yeah, personally I'd ride 101 to Cosmpolois (just skirting Aberdeen) and 
then 105 down to the coast. Some great riding along the coast there and the 
section into Raymond right above the water is fantastic. Plus you go by the 
Cranberry Road Winery which also has a new brewpub associated with it.

SR 6 is good times as far as it goes, but then you are in Centralia. I've 
got a good route from there to Olympia if one was dead set on going to Oly, 
but I think if I was on the train I'd just stick with it to P-Town.  

So given lesser time constraints this is the route I'd actually take:

https://goo.gl/maps/KhWp8

note on this one I moved a section from my previous route on hwy 12 to a 
frontage road, which one should do regardless of which of these variations 
one utilizes.

On Thursday, February 26, 2015 at 9:31:45 PM UTC-8, Shawn Granton wrote:


 On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 9:28 PM, shawn m. smul...@gmail.com javascript:
  wrote:

 +1 on Robert's route. I would note, however, that the stretch of Highway 
 101 north of Raymond to the Highway 107 junction is (or was when I rode it 
 in 2012) logging truck hell. I've also taken Highway 6 over the Coast Range 
 between Raymond and Chehalis and wouldn't hesitate to go that way again, 
 especially since taking the Amtrak to Centralia puts it in pretty easy 
 reach from Seattle.

 +1 to SR 6. Pretty quiet and a very low pass (700 feet?) over the Willapa 
 Hills (Coast Range), almost doesn't feel like you're summiting. There's a 
 state park, Rainbow Falls, about 20 miles outside of Chehalis. Nice park, 
 has a hiker/biker site.
 -Shawn


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[RBW] Re: Renewing a Canvas and Leather Bag

Would love to see what the beausage looks like. Just curious. Is the stiffener 
still in it or gone?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor

2015-02-26 Thread David Yu Greenblatt

That Steve Peat fellow knows how to have fun on a bike. 

s24o in Scotland: 
https://vimeo.com/67430580

Going for a little spin with 3 of his pals on 650b bikes in France:
https://vimeo.com/63027254

David G in San Diego 


 On Feb 26, 2015, at 2:55 PM, Mark Reimer marknrei...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Oh I wouldn't be so sure about that...
 
 http://theradavist.com/2015/02/santa-cruz-stigmata-cross-video/
 
 On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 4:53 PM, ascpgh asc@gmail.com wrote:
 It's odd, no spandex hamsters riding now. I guess riding across the minus 
 whatever, snow and ice covered darkness on studded tires with fenders 
 generator hubs and lights isn't their magazine ad.
 
 Andy Cheatham 
 Pittsburgh
 
 
 On Thursday, February 26, 2015 at 9:54:30 AM UTC-5, Marc Irwin wrote:
 This reminds me of the first charity ride I did on my Hillborne (with Bosco 
 Bars).  A rider came up beside me, asked about the bike, then asked why 
 anybody would want a bike like that?  I said,  I can take this to the 
 grocery store, ride a metric century comfortably, or take a trip over the 
 Himalayas.  What can you do with that? (pointing to his crabon crotch 
 rocket).  He just shook his head and rode away.   I passed he and his crew 
 of spandex hamsters after the second rest stop.  They tend to start loosing 
 it at 30 miles.  One of these days I'm going to do one in a pair of cutoffs 
 (diamond gusset), a nascar t shirt and Cubs batting helmet just for fun.  I 
 might even roll a pack of Winstons up in my sleeve for good measure.
 
 Marc
 
 On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 12:56:19 PM UTC-5, Anne Paulson wrote:
 
 
 On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 5:38 AM, Addison Wilhite addison...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 I kind of feel like the revolution is over and we won.  Anymore, while I 
 can certainly find the carbon roadie types, they aren't living in the 
 niche.  Just like the extreme downhillers or whatever they are called.  
 I just don't see a lot of riders so focused on 25mm tires that don't also 
 accept the benefits of a fatter tire  
 
 Not true where I am in Silicon Valley . If I show up at the start of one 
 of my (touring) club's rides, a ride meant for people riding a moderate 
 pace, and I see twenty other riders, there will be one steel bike, and 
 I'll be riding it. There will be no bikes that take tires wider than 28 
 mm, other than my Roadeo. Typically riders have 25 mm tires pumped up rock 
 hard.  Everyone will have lycra shorts including me (haven't found 
 anything else that works for me) and everyone else will be wearing roadie 
 jerseys with sublimated graphics.
 
 There's one club ride I go on, an easy-paced ride that I do for 
 camaraderie. Most of the riders are like me, over 50, in a lot of cases 
 well over 50. But there is one young woman who shows up on an old 
 Stumpjumper with flat bars, wearing street clothes. Although she has no 
 trouble keeping up, and she has a fine bike, almost every time she has 
 shown up at a ride I'm on someone will explain to her that her bike is 
 wrong and she needs a different one.
 
 -- 
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 It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride.
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor

Oh I wouldn't be so sure about that...

http://theradavist.com/2015/02/santa-cruz-stigmata-cross-video/

On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 4:53 PM, ascpgh asc@gmail.com wrote:

 It's odd, no spandex hamsters riding now. I guess riding across the minus
 whatever, snow and ice covered darkness on studded tires with fenders
 generator hubs and lights isn't their magazine ad.

 Andy Cheatham
 Pittsburgh


 On Thursday, February 26, 2015 at 9:54:30 AM UTC-5, Marc Irwin wrote:

 This reminds me of the first charity ride I did on my Hillborne (with
 Bosco Bars).  A rider came up beside me, asked about the bike, then asked
 why anybody would want a bike like that?  I said,  I can take this to the
 grocery store, ride a metric century comfortably, or take a trip over the
 Himalayas.  What can you do with that? (pointing to his crabon crotch
 rocket).  He just shook his head and rode away.   I passed he and his crew
 of spandex hamsters after the second rest stop.  They tend to start loosing
 it at 30 miles.  One of these days I'm going to do one in a pair of cutoffs
 (diamond gusset), a nascar t shirt and Cubs batting helmet just for fun.  I
 might even roll a pack of Winstons up in my sleeve for good measure.

 Marc

 On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 12:56:19 PM UTC-5, Anne Paulson wrote:



 On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 5:38 AM, Addison Wilhite addison...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 I kind of feel like the revolution is over and we won.  Anymore, while
 I can certainly find the carbon roadie types, they aren't living in the
 niche.  Just like the extreme downhillers or whatever they are called.  I
 just don't see a lot of riders so focused on 25mm tires that don't also
 accept the benefits of a fatter tire


 Not true where I am in Silicon Valley . If I show up at the start of one
 of my (touring) club's rides, a ride meant for people riding a moderate
 pace, and I see twenty other riders, there will be one steel bike, and I'll
 be riding it. There will be no bikes that take tires wider than 28 mm,
 other than my Roadeo. Typically riders have 25 mm tires pumped up rock
 hard.  Everyone will have lycra shorts including me (haven't found anything
 else that works for me) and everyone else will be wearing roadie jerseys
 with sublimated graphics.

 There's one club ride I go on, an easy-paced ride that I do for
 camaraderie. Most of the riders are like me, over 50, in a lot of cases
 well over 50. But there is one young woman who shows up on an old
 Stumpjumper with flat bars, wearing street clothes. Although she has no
 trouble keeping up, and she has a fine bike, almost every time she has
 shown up at a ride I'm on someone will explain to her that her bike is
 wrong and she needs a different one.

 --
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 It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor

2015-02-26 Thread Hugh Smitham

Well that should sell a bunch of stretchy light weight bikey stuff! I had
to stop half way through the video to catch my breath ;) Fun to watch.
 On Feb 26, 2015 2:55 PM, Mark Reimer marknrei...@gmail.com wrote:

 Oh I wouldn't be so sure about that...

 http://theradavist.com/2015/02/santa-cruz-stigmata-cross-video/

 On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 4:53 PM, ascpgh asc@gmail.com wrote:

 It's odd, no spandex hamsters riding now. I guess riding across the minus
 whatever, snow and ice covered darkness on studded tires with fenders
 generator hubs and lights isn't their magazine ad.

 Andy Cheatham
 Pittsburgh


 On Thursday, February 26, 2015 at 9:54:30 AM UTC-5, Marc Irwin wrote:

 This reminds me of the first charity ride I did on my Hillborne (with
 Bosco Bars).  A rider came up beside me, asked about the bike, then asked
 why anybody would want a bike like that?  I said,  I can take this to the
 grocery store, ride a metric century comfortably, or take a trip over the
 Himalayas.  What can you do with that? (pointing to his crabon crotch
 rocket).  He just shook his head and rode away.   I passed he and his crew
 of spandex hamsters after the second rest stop.  They tend to start loosing
 it at 30 miles.  One of these days I'm going to do one in a pair of cutoffs
 (diamond gusset), a nascar t shirt and Cubs batting helmet just for fun.  I
 might even roll a pack of Winstons up in my sleeve for good measure.

 Marc

 On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 12:56:19 PM UTC-5, Anne Paulson wrote:



 On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 5:38 AM, Addison Wilhite addison...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 I kind of feel like the revolution is over and we won.  Anymore, while
 I can certainly find the carbon roadie types, they aren't living in the
 niche.  Just like the extreme downhillers or whatever they are called.  
 I
 just don't see a lot of riders so focused on 25mm tires that don't also
 accept the benefits of a fatter tire


 Not true where I am in Silicon Valley . If I show up at the start of
 one of my (touring) club's rides, a ride meant for people riding a moderate
 pace, and I see twenty other riders, there will be one steel bike, and I'll
 be riding it. There will be no bikes that take tires wider than 28 mm,
 other than my Roadeo. Typically riders have 25 mm tires pumped up rock
 hard.  Everyone will have lycra shorts including me (haven't found anything
 else that works for me) and everyone else will be wearing roadie jerseys
 with sublimated graphics.

 There's one club ride I go on, an easy-paced ride that I do for
 camaraderie. Most of the riders are like me, over 50, in a lot of cases
 well over 50. But there is one young woman who shows up on an old
 Stumpjumper with flat bars, wearing street clothes. Although she has no
 trouble keeping up, and she has a fine bike, almost every time she has
 shown up at a ride I'm on someone will explain to her that her bike is
 wrong and she needs a different one.

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 It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor

Bill, I always thought it would have been great to get my silca painted to
match the bombadil so from a feet away TRIPLE TUBED!
On Feb 26, 2015 6:05 PM, Hugh Smitham hughsmit...@gmail.com wrote:

 Well that should sell a bunch of stretchy light weight bikey stuff! I had
 to stop half way through the video to catch my breath ;) Fun to watch.
  On Feb 26, 2015 2:55 PM, Mark Reimer marknrei...@gmail.com wrote:

 Oh I wouldn't be so sure about that...

 http://theradavist.com/2015/02/santa-cruz-stigmata-cross-video/

 On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 4:53 PM, ascpgh asc@gmail.com wrote:

 It's odd, no spandex hamsters riding now. I guess riding across the
 minus whatever, snow and ice covered darkness on studded tires with fenders
 generator hubs and lights isn't their magazine ad.

 Andy Cheatham
 Pittsburgh


 On Thursday, February 26, 2015 at 9:54:30 AM UTC-5, Marc Irwin wrote:

 This reminds me of the first charity ride I did on my Hillborne (with
 Bosco Bars).  A rider came up beside me, asked about the bike, then asked
 why anybody would want a bike like that?  I said,  I can take this to the
 grocery store, ride a metric century comfortably, or take a trip over the
 Himalayas.  What can you do with that? (pointing to his crabon crotch
 rocket).  He just shook his head and rode away.   I passed he and his crew
 of spandex hamsters after the second rest stop.  They tend to start loosing
 it at 30 miles.  One of these days I'm going to do one in a pair of cutoffs
 (diamond gusset), a nascar t shirt and Cubs batting helmet just for fun.  I
 might even roll a pack of Winstons up in my sleeve for good measure.

 Marc

 On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 12:56:19 PM UTC-5, Anne Paulson
 wrote:



 On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 5:38 AM, Addison Wilhite addison...@gmail.com
  wrote:

 I kind of feel like the revolution is over and we won.  Anymore,
 while I can certainly find the carbon roadie types, they aren't living in
 the niche.  Just like the extreme downhillers or whatever they are
 called.  I just don't see a lot of riders so focused on 25mm tires that
 don't also accept the benefits of a fatter tire


 Not true where I am in Silicon Valley . If I show up at the start of
 one of my (touring) club's rides, a ride meant for people riding a 
 moderate
 pace, and I see twenty other riders, there will be one steel bike, and 
 I'll
 be riding it. There will be no bikes that take tires wider than 28 mm,
 other than my Roadeo. Typically riders have 25 mm tires pumped up rock
 hard.  Everyone will have lycra shorts including me (haven't found 
 anything
 else that works for me) and everyone else will be wearing roadie jerseys
 with sublimated graphics.

 There's one club ride I go on, an easy-paced ride that I do for
 camaraderie. Most of the riders are like me, over 50, in a lot of cases
 well over 50. But there is one young woman who shows up on an old
 Stumpjumper with flat bars, wearing street clothes. Although she has no
 trouble keeping up, and she has a fine bike, almost every time she has
 shown up at a ride I'm on someone will explain to her that her bike is
 wrong and she needs a different one.

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 It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride.

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[RBW] Stuff hanging on that front brake bolt on Homer on the RBW intro page...

Looks like they have the front end set up like this:

1. Brake, then nut thingy,  2. the rack tab, then 3. the fender tab, then 
4. the washer/spacer knurled thingy, all up against the fork crown, and 
then the brake bolt nut from the back.

So no need for a Sheldon nut for the fender tab.
You can run the attachments safely all this way along the brake bolt. I was 
wondering how much stuff is too much to be hanging off the front end of the 
fork crown, but I guess this means its perfectly fine to do so.

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RE: [RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor

2015-02-26 Thread Allingham II, Thomas J

You mean like this?  
https://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/8566366471/in/set-72157624552118742

From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Goshen Peter
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 6:11 PM
To: rbw-owners-bunch
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor

Bill, I always thought it would have been great to get my silca painted to 
match the bombadil so from a feet away TRIPLE TUBED!
On Feb 26, 2015 6:05 PM, Hugh Smitham 
hughsmit...@gmail.commailto:hughsmit...@gmail.com wrote:

Well that should sell a bunch of stretchy light weight bikey stuff! I had to 
stop half way through the video to catch my breath ;) Fun to watch.
On Feb 26, 2015 2:55 PM, Mark Reimer 
marknrei...@gmail.commailto:marknrei...@gmail.com wrote:
Oh I wouldn't be so sure about that...

http://theradavist.com/2015/02/santa-cruz-stigmata-cross-video/

On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 4:53 PM, ascpgh 
asc@gmail.commailto:asc@gmail.com wrote:
It's odd, no spandex hamsters riding now. I guess riding across the minus 
whatever, snow and ice covered darkness on studded tires with fenders generator 
hubs and lights isn't their magazine ad.

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

On Thursday, February 26, 2015 at 9:54:30 AM UTC-5, Marc Irwin wrote:
This reminds me of the first charity ride I did on my Hillborne (with Bosco 
Bars).  A rider came up beside me, asked about the bike, then asked why anybody 
would want a bike like that?  I said,  I can take this to the grocery store, 
ride a metric century comfortably, or take a trip over the Himalayas.  What can 
you do with that? (pointing to his crabon crotch rocket).  He just shook his 
head and rode away.   I passed he and his crew of spandex hamsters after the 
second rest stop.  They tend to start loosing it at 30 miles.  One of these 
days I'm going to do one in a pair of cutoffs (diamond gusset), a nascar t 
shirt and Cubs batting helmet just for fun.  I might even roll a pack of 
Winstons up in my sleeve for good measure.

Marc

On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 12:56:19 PM UTC-5, Anne Paulson wrote:

On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 5:38 AM, Addison Wilhite addison...@gmail.com wrote:
I kind of feel like the revolution is over and we won.  Anymore, while I can 
certainly find the carbon roadie types, they aren't living in the niche.  Just 
like the extreme downhillers or whatever they are called.  I just don't see a 
lot of riders so focused on 25mm tires that don't also accept the benefits of a 
fatter tire

Not true where I am in Silicon Valley . If I show up at the start of one of my 
(touring) club's rides, a ride meant for people riding a moderate pace, and I 
see twenty other riders, there will be one steel bike, and I'll be riding it. 
There will be no bikes that take tires wider than 28 mm, other than my Roadeo. 
Typically riders have 25 mm tires pumped up rock hard.  Everyone will have 
lycra shorts including me (haven't found anything else that works for me) and 
everyone else will be wearing roadie jerseys with sublimated graphics.

There's one club ride I go on, an easy-paced ride that I do for camaraderie. 
Most of the riders are like me, over 50, in a lot of cases well over 50. But 
there is one young woman who shows up on an old Stumpjumper with flat bars, 
wearing street clothes. Although she has no trouble keeping up, and she has a 
fine bike, almost every time she has shown up at a ride I'm on someone will 
explain to her that her bike is wrong and she needs a different one.

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Re: [RBW] FS: (5) King Cage Standard as a lot

2015-02-26 Thread Curtis McKenzie

Oh the joy!  Sorry to have missed them.

On Thursday, February 26, 2015, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote:

 Cages are sold. Thank you for looking!

 With abandon,
 Patrick

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Re: [RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor

* Modern cycling jerseys are, IME, very comfortable.ˆ*

Andy: first, not at all a snark attack.

I am desperately seeking hot weather jerseys that don't stink after 15
minutes of riding. Wool is no good for me in temperatures much over 70F. No
one I know of makes cotton knit jerseys. Can you recommend a ss lightweight
jersey, cost no object, that is relatively odorless?

Thanks.

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[RBW] Texas-Canada rando-style bike tour

http://www.randotouring.com/trips

Thinking about doing this, but I would prefer to camp out to staying in
hotels.  Anyone done any stealth roadside camping?  Any tips?  I'm mainly
interested in saving money by trimming hotel costs.  I will contribute to
the SAG van of course.

Tent and sleeping bag would go in the SAG van during the day, and probably
strap it on to Nelson Longflap and rear rack at the daily destination and
go find somewhere to camp.  My Nitto R-14 is definitely not suited for
heavy loads, but I have one of those Topeak racks with the track system
(bag has a plastic track that snaps into the rack) it's pretty heavy duty,
just kind of ugly because it's not silver.  I love the heavy duty Nitto
racks but not looking to spend $200+ on one.

In fact I'm looking to spend as little as possible on new bike accessories
as possible for this trip.  But I'm sure there would be some necessities.
And I definitely don't want to leave home without several extra tires as
Compass Loup Loup would be unobtainium on this trip without sending them
general delivery to whatever random post office I could find.  Maybe would
consider running a heavier duty tire like the Pasela TG.

Any thoughts welcomed...

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[RBW] Re: Texas-Canada rando-style bike tour

On the trip you linked to, they're not taking a SAG, Jim. Only renting a 
van to drive home after. If you're going with this group, you'll be 
carrying your tent/tarp/bag. Perhaps go ultralight, planning to camp with 
it is present and weather within your tolerances, and hotel when it isn't? 
The cost of the SAG then shifts to your hotel budget.

With abandon,
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[RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor

2015-02-26 Thread Kieran J

Late to this thread - interesting and well-articulated perspectives all 
around, as per RBWOB usual.

For me, the crux of the issue is that people should find a system that 
works for them, go with it, and own it. For me, that extends throughout 
life and is an intrinsic part of living in a tolerant and diverse society. 
The drama and judgement only reinforces tunnel vision and defensiveness. 

And I don't mean to let Grant et al. off the hook; there is a bit of 
swagger from that camp as well, as others have mentioned. However I think 
RBW's relaxed vibe, practical approach and earnest business model is worth 
a lot in today's world.

I'm all bemused eyerolls when I encounter people that are so up in arms 
with what others are doing. Get over yourself and go have fun!

KJ


On Tuesday, February 24, 2015 at 4:08:44 PM UTC-5, Jon in the foothills of 
Central Colorado wrote:

 In the new Adventure Cyclist Mag

 PETERSEN RESPONDS TO READER

 LETTER ‘UNRACING? UNCOOL’

 Racing attitudes, bikes, clothing,

 and diets have become the norm and

 normal, and are so pervasive that many

 adult cyclists, maybe even some you

 know, accept the racing standards as

 the only legitimate way to be a serious

 adult cyclist. What I tried to do in the

 book *Just Ride *— and what we do here

 at Rivendell Bicycle Works — is offer

 an alternative, a model to other adult

 cyclists that there is another way. This

 letter is not an ad for either. I’m simply

 saying where I come from and what I

 do.

 We are the mice trying to squeak

 above the roar at the base of the

 waterfall. It is no time to be wishywashy,

 but I try hard to not offend.

 Inevitably, a declarative position on

 any matter is bound to raise a few

 hackles with those who have a different

 position, but it still hurts to be judged

 by a stranger who would probably like

 me, and whom I’d surely like, in person.

 A good number of our customers are

 middle-aged and older folks trying to

 fit in some activity as they age. They

 often have the means, and they’re

 influenced by what they read and see

 that promotes racers as a good model —

 and that’s something I don’t agree with.

 They shop as innocents and come

 out of it dressed like racers and riding

 bikes that are not only inappropriate

 for the kind of riding they do, but are,

 on top of that and more egregiously, not

 comfortable. We undo that. You may

 see ego or evil behind it, but I don’t

 feel either of those. I see racing and

 racers as fringe and am simply trying

 to legitimize an alternative point of

 view, one that I feel strongly about. I’m

 trying — certainly not singlehandedly —

 to make people feel good about riding

 without dressing in pro-team gear and

 copying so many other affectations of

 the racer, and that is what Unracing and

 *Just Ride *and Rivendell Bicycle Works is

 all about. We’re nobody’s enemy. Some

 of my best friends pedal cliplessly and

 in spandex. It’s cool.

 Grant Petersen

 Walnut Creek, California


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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB Jitensha Bar

Did you get the 575s or the 615s?

On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 7:18 AM, Ron Mc bulldog...@gmail.com wrote:

 here's my new MAP bars


 http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/bulldog1935/Raleigh/Viner/aaP2230007.jpg

 come on partsI'll have a new bike by next weekend.


 On Tuesday, February 17, 2015 at 9:45:01 AM UTC-6, Ron Mc wrote:

 Congrats - that's beautiful.  My MAP bars are out in today's mail.  I'm
 building up an old Viner cross frame for riding the unimproved creek paths
 around here
 I've rubbed and touched it up since this photo (waxed it last night), but
 I'm still collecting parts.


 http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/bulldog1935/Raleigh/Viner/aP2120006.jpg

 On Monday, February 16, 2015 at 9:31:07 PM UTC-6, Amit Singh wrote:

 Before: https://www.flickr.com/photos/amisingh/16345788129/

 After: https://www.flickr.com/photos/amisingh/16553860631/

 Still need to add a rack, basket and a shopville bag.

 Oh, and that fenderline ...

 On Friday, 13 February 2015 10:00:08 UTC-8, Amit Singh wrote:

 Aw snap. Now you tell me! :)

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RE: [RBW] Re: WTB Jitensha Bar

2015-02-26 Thread Allingham II, Thomas J

Thanks!  It’s been a fun project – Japanese bikes seem to be much more 
standardized than, say, the Raleigh mixte I did for the same auction last year, 
which was surprisingly difficult to work out.

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good work Pudge, that's a beautiful bike

On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 9:46:24 AM UTC-6, Pudge wrote:
The Postinos are pretty nice bars – I’m using them on a new charity auction 
mixte build now.  Very zippy looking, pic here:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/15764491503/

From: rbw-owne...@googlegroups.comjavascript: 
[mailto:rbw-owne...@googlegroups.comjavascript:] On Behalf Of DS
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To: rbw-owne...@googlegroups.comjavascript:
Subject: [RBW] Re: WTB Jitensha Bar

Check out these: 
http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/components/handlebars/vo-postino-handlebar-22-2mm.html

I was trying to decide b/w these and the Jitensha a while back. The Postino's 
are a little longer/wider from what I remember.

On Monday, February 9, 2015 at 10:55:26 PM UTC-8, Amit Singh wrote:
For the Quickbeam!

Let me know if you've got one available for purchase please, and thanks!

Amit
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Re: [RBW] Re: The Rambouillet gets a few updates

2015-02-26 Thread Mark Wilkins

D'oh! Right you are!

I misread that table in that image. Thanks for setting me straight. 

Sent from my iPhone

 On Feb 26, 2015, at 09:46, David Spranger daspran...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Per Velobase.com 
 (http://velobase.com/ViewComponent.aspx?ID=c1879448-76cc-436f-b9ba-b49cc638b9c1Enum=117)
  the reach is 47mm - 65mm.
 
 David
 Charlotte, NC
 
 On Tuesday, February 24, 2015 at 5:08:25 PM UTC-5, Jim Bronson wrote:
 What is the reach on those D/A centerpulls?
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB Jitensha Bar

good work Pudge, that's a beautiful bike

On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 9:46:24 AM UTC-6, Pudge wrote:

The Postinos are pretty nice bars – I’m using them on a new charity
auction mixte build now. Very zippy looking, pic here:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/15764491503/

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*Subject:* [RBW] Re: WTB Jitensha Bar

Check out these:
http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/components/handlebars/vo-postino-handlebar-22-2mm.html

I was trying to decide b/w these and the Jitensha a while back. The
Postino's are a little longer/wider from what I remember.

On Monday, February 9, 2015 at 10:55:26 PM UTC-8, Amit Singh wrote:

For the Quickbeam!

Let me know if you've got one available for purchase please, and thanks!

Amit

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[RBW] Re: The Rambouillet gets a few updates

2015-02-26 Thread Will

Would you comment on the differences between the Albastache and the 
Moustache. I'm on the fence bar-wise. 

I know Deacon likes them. He can chime in too. 

I inherited a Moustache on a recently purchased Atlantis. I feel I am about 
1 inch too far forward. I'd like to get comfortable without re-arranging 
the whole cockpit: i.e. new levers, new stem, new bars. If I could fix this 
with bars, I'd be fine. 


On Tuesday, February 17, 2015 at 1:14:46 PM UTC-6, David Spranger wrote:

 Bought an almost new Albastache from a list member. Thought it was 
 destined for the LHT or maybe to try on the SimpleOne. A few weekends back, 
 a friend who recently ordered a Homer, used my Ram on a ride. This is while 
 it still had the Noodle cockpit. He commented that he liked the drop 
 position on the Ram compared to the thirty year old bike he had been 
 riding. I commented that I almost never got into the drops. That got me 
 thinking that the new bar was really destined for the Ram. 

 I also had recently disassembled an old Schwinn LeTour I had built up with 
 all Shiny Parts, so I re-used the NOS Dura-Ace Centerpulls and the 
 Velo-Orange Stainless fenders. Also changed out the VO rack for a Mark's 
 Rack and topped it all off with Newbaum's burgundy bar tape and some NOS 
 Modolo bronze hoods my wife bought me for Valentine's Day.

 Now I will probably have to find(at least) two more Albastache bars. I 
 love the control that this bar gives me. It is a surprising amount of 
 positive difference from the Mustache (my former favorite) on the SimpleOne 
 or the Albatross (ran neck and neck to be No.2 with the Bosco on the Homer) 
 on my LHT. 

 https://flic.kr/s/aHsjF3Xuhx

 David 
 Charlotte, NC


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Re: [RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor

2015-02-26 Thread Marc Irwin

This reminds me of the first charity ride I did on my Hillborne (with Bosco 
Bars).  A rider came up beside me, asked about the bike, then asked why 
anybody would want a bike like that?  I said,  I can take this to the 
grocery store, ride a metric century comfortably, or take a trip over the 
Himalayas.  What can you do with that? (pointing to his crabon crotch 
rocket).  He just shook his head and rode away.   I passed he and his crew 
of spandex hamsters after the second rest stop.  They tend to start loosing 
it at 30 miles.  One of these days I'm going to do one in a pair of cutoffs 
(diamond gusset), a nascar t shirt and Cubs batting helmet just for fun.  I 
might even roll a pack of Winstons up in my sleeve for good measure.

Marc

On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 12:56:19 PM UTC-5, Anne Paulson wrote:



 On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 5:38 AM, Addison Wilhite addison...@gmail.com 
 javascript: wrote:

 I kind of feel like the revolution is over and we won.  Anymore, while I 
 can certainly find the carbon roadie types, they aren't living in the 
 niche.  Just like the extreme downhillers or whatever they are called.  I 
 just don't see a lot of riders so focused on 25mm tires that don't also 
 accept the benefits of a fatter tire  


 Not true where I am in Silicon Valley . If I show up at the start of one 
 of my (touring) club's rides, a ride meant for people riding a moderate 
 pace, and I see twenty other riders, there will be one steel bike, and I'll 
 be riding it. There will be no bikes that take tires wider than 28 mm, 
 other than my Roadeo. Typically riders have 25 mm tires pumped up rock 
 hard.  Everyone will have lycra shorts including me (haven't found anything 
 else that works for me) and everyone else will be wearing roadie jerseys 
 with sublimated graphics.

 There's one club ride I go on, an easy-paced ride that I do for 
 camaraderie. Most of the riders are like me, over 50, in a lot of cases 
 well over 50. But there is one young woman who shows up on an old 
 Stumpjumper with flat bars, wearing street clothes. Although she has no 
 trouble keeping up, and she has a fine bike, almost every time she has 
 shown up at a ride I'm on someone will explain to her that her bike is 
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Re: [RBW] Re: The Rambouillet gets a few updates

2015-02-26 Thread David Spranger

Per Velobase.com 
(http://velobase.com/ViewComponent.aspx?ID=c1879448-76cc-436f-b9ba-b49cc638b9c1Enum=117)
 
the reach is 47mm - 65mm.

David
Charlotte, NC

On Tuesday, February 24, 2015 at 5:08:25 PM UTC-5, Jim Bronson wrote:

 What is the reach on those D/A centerpulls?

  

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[RBW] Re: FS Brooks b67, Burly Piccolo

2015-02-26 Thread Brian Campbell

FWIW, I just sold a Piccolo on ebay and the shipping was pretty expensive. 
The model I had, the frame did not fold (not sure they make one that does) 
and as such, I needed a full size bike box to handle the length. Good luck 
with the sale and that is a great price for a Piccolo, IMHO.
 

On Tuesday, February 24, 2015 at 11:55:52 AM UTC-5, Peter M wrote:

 Hey all, selling my barely used B67, tan, used about 200 miles, not broken 
 in to my butt yet. My lovely dad gave me his 30 year old brooks collection 
 and they feel so nice so on to another home for this one. Looking for $80 
 shipped OBO, have the original box, wrench etc. 
 Also FS Burly Piccolo, moose rack, the whole shebang, the struts are 
 uncut, I used struts from another project. Have the original box, was told 
 it wouldn't be terrible to ship because it breaks down small. Looking for 
 $125 shipped, make an offer, its just sitting my basement and with the 
 weather here its gonna be months until someone local buys it. 
 Also selling a cycleops fluid trainer but only for local pickup, thing is 
 a beast! Paypal, lower 48. 

 Link to Flikr page
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[RBW] Re: Planning first longish bike tour in Oregon. Suggestions?

2015-02-26 Thread stevef

If you can make it work, the ride around Crater Lake is pretty neat...

On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 11:46:59 AM UTC-5, Mark Reimer wrote:

 Hi friends,

 So I've mentioned in other posts that I plan to ride the Oregon Outback 
 this year, May 22-24. As luck would have it, I've managed to secure the 
 full week prior off from work, as well as a day or two after. So now I'm 
 looking to fly out to Portland on May 16th, and leave on the 26th. That's 
 lots of time for riding!

 My friends will be landing in Portland on May 20th and plan to take the 
 train to Klamath Falls on the 21st, which I'll accompany them on. We'll 
 ride the O.O., then ride from the finish back to Portland on the 25th and 
 fly home the next morning. 

 So that leaves me with May 16th (afternoon) to the evening of May 20 to do 
 some touring. 

 For those in Oregon, what would you suggest I ride with five days? 

 For what it's worth, I would love to be able to...:
 - See/camp by the ocean. I live in the dead centre of the continent. The 
 ocean is a real treat for me.
 - Get at least a couple nice climbs in. Again, it's flat here. I'd like to 
 see some elevation (but not 'too' much hah, I'm a prairie boy)
 - Spend as much time as possible off the major highways. I'll be on the 
 Atlantis with 2.1 tires and a light setup. Gravel, trails, fire roads, 
 whatever. I'm game for all of that. I'll have a GPS with me.
 - I also love bridges and ferries. Always take the opportunity to ride a 
 ferry if you can. It just adds that 'certain something' to a trip in my 
 opinion.

 I've considered riding to Astoria and doing a Northern loop. Also thought 
 about taking the train South on the 16th, riding closer to Klamath and 
 meeting the guys there instead. It's all open to discussion. Thanks!


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Re: [RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor

2015-02-26 Thread Andrew Marchant-Shapiro

Patrick:

The two Steves speak the truth.  I generally get free jerseys from charity 
rides or pick some up from Long's when they're on sale.  I've had some 
smell a little after a century in humid Wisconsin summer weather, but not 
badly.

It may be that some of us generate more toxic sweat than others--but 
personally, I don't.  Sheep or plastic, they all seem to smell the same 
when I'm done.  Lycra shorts I wash after a long ride (I don't wear them 
for short rides) just as I would anything else I had used in those 
conditions.

(I know Bill Cosby is a *persona non grata*  these days, but I can't help 
but think of his remarks about his mother always insisting that he wear 
clean underwear, and imagining her reaction when a police officer tells her 
he's been in an accident:  Did he have clean underwear? Yes.  We found 
it in the glove compartment.)


On Thursday, February 26, 2015 at 9:27:06 AM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote:

  On 02/26/2015 09:22 AM, Patrick Moore wrote:
  
  * Modern cycling jerseys are, IME, very comfortable.ˆ*
  
  Andy: first, not at all a snark attack. 

  I am desperately seeking hot weather jerseys that don't stink after 15 
 minutes of riding. Wool is no good for me in temperatures much over 70F. No 
 one I know of makes cotton knit jerseys. Can you recommend a ss lightweight 
 jersey, cost no object, that is relatively odorless?

  
  
 All I can say is, my lycra jerseys do not stink -- not after 15 min, and 
 pretty much not after a whole day of riding.  And I do not have to tell you 
 what metro DC summer conditions are like.




 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Renewing a Canvas and Leather Bag

sorry I'm late - Obenauf's is the ultimate leather treatment
http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/goo13-tiny.htm
Martexin for the canvas
http://acornbags.com/collections/accessories/products/martexin-original-wax 
 
using a hair drier after application of Martexin, and rubbing the hot/wet 
helps to wet the wax through the canvas.  

On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 9:18:36 PM UTC-6, Eric Norris wrote:

 Thanks! 

 --Eric N
 www.CampyOnly.com
 CampyOnlyGuy.blogspot.com
 Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuy

 On Feb 25, 2015, at 7:02 PM, Deacon Patrick lamon...@mac.com 
 javascript: wrote:

 For the leather: coconut oil and beeswax combined is fantastic.
 For the canvas: don't wash in the washing machine. Damp cloth, stiff 
 brush, and then the same as above, but heavier on the beeswax. Or buy 
 Filson's re-proofing wax.

 With abandon,
 Patrick

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 I have become the owner of a somewhat *beausaged* Berthoud bag, and I 
 wonder if this group might have suggestions for making it look somewhat 
 newer. Should I throw it in the washing machine? Scrub it with a brush? And 
 then what? Rewax it?

 Thanks in advance!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor

2015-02-26 Thread Andrew Marchant-Shapiro

No, it was just a low-grade double, IIRC.  This would have been some time 
around '97.

On Thursday, February 26, 2015 at 7:24:00 AM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote:

  On 02/26/2015 04:10 AM, Andrew Marchant-Shapiro wrote:
  
 Grant is a marketeer and an interesting person.  To some extent, he *is* 
 trying to get people to drink his Kool-Aid because that's his market 
 space.  I well recall when he was selling an older Campy front derailer.  
 It had an oversized clamp, so he sold it with a plastic sleeve that you 
 used over the seat tube to correctly fit it.  It was the best thing ever, 
 and I've seen him do that repeatedly with old stock items.  So to some 
 extent, yeah, he's just trying to move stock.  


 I don't recall this one, but if it was the Racing T front derailleur then 
 *Hell 
 yes*, it was the best thing ever for 110/74 compact triples and the 
 fact that you needed a shim to get it to fit the seat tube is just the 
 price of doing business.  I still marvel at this: why on earth would 
 Campagnolo, a company with a proven track record of no interest or 
 expertise with touring gearing produce what is by far the best front 
 derailleur for such gearing I've ever seen?  So, if it was that one, it 
 wasn't just trying to move stock at all.


  

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[RBW] Re: Renewing a Canvas and Leather Bag

I have both Martexin and Otter Wax - the former is better for touch-ups 
because it's smooth paste - Otter is better for widespread treatment, but 
it's a lot more work.  

On Thursday, February 26, 2015 at 7:53:16 AM UTC-6, jinxed wrote:

 i will concur with the Obenaufs to treat the leather. Great stuff. 

 On cotton canvas I've used a few products that all worked great, but had 
 varying application labor. 

 Otter Wax bar - Personally my favorite. I found it by far the easiest to 
 use. Just rub the bar all over the canvas and set it in the sun or use a 
 hair dryer to melt it in. You can use the edge of the bar to get into the 
 seams and cracks. It seems to set up drier than the others which is a plus 
 in my book. Small USA company too. 

 Nikwax spray on Wax Cotton Proof - To be honest, I would have never tried 
 this had it not been for their excellent customer service. I called with an 
 unrelated question and we got to talking about my waxed cotton jacket. I 
 mentioned the reproofing I had been using stayed super oily for a long 
 time. He sent me a bottle of their spray on wax for free. It works 
 fantastic on my coat and is easy to apply. Its a smooth cotton though and I 
 never tried it on heavier canvas with leather trim. 

 Barbour Thorn Proof dressing - I used this stuff because my jacket came 
 with a tin. It gives you that freshly wrestled with a fried chicken look. 
 Very oily. It's also a little tricky to apply. You have to melt the 
 proofing in the tin, then wipe it on a warm garment. Imagine smearing 
 candle wax on fabric. It's liquid for a millisecond, then hardens. I found 
 a technique that worked eventually, but was still slow. Once I got the 
 Nikwax I never looked back. 

 Filson tin cloth dressing - similar to Barbour being oily, but is easier 
 to apply. It can be wiped on out of the tin, spreads easier. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor


On 02/26/2015 09:22 AM, Patrick Moore wrote:

/ Modern cycling jerseys are, IME, very comfortable.ˆ/
/
/
Andy: first, not at all a snark attack.

I am desperately seeking hot weather jerseys that don't stink after 15 
minutes of riding. Wool is no good for me in temperatures much over 
70F. No one I know of makes cotton knit jerseys. Can you recommend a 
ss lightweight jersey, cost no object, that is relatively odorless?





All I can say is, my lycra jerseys do not stink -- not after 15 min, and 
pretty much not after a whole day of riding.  And I do not have to tell 
you what metro DC summer conditions are like.





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Re: [RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor

2015-02-26 Thread islaysteve

I'm another Steve in the DC Metro area and my experience from when I was riding 
regularly in the summer was similar to Steve P's.  The shorts were ride once 
and wash, for anti fungal reasons, but jerseys did not necessarily need to be 
washed every time.  I used mostly Pearl Isumi jerseys, in addition to some 
others.  Full disclosure, I use antibacterial soap for showering but do not use 
an antiperspirant (allergic to that).  To tie in with current topic, my 
clothing for longer rides will not/has not changed much since I got my Bleriot 
and started reading GP's writings, other than to tone down the colors a bit.  I 
have taken his advise re shoes, and find the Thin Gripsters to be quite 
adequate with rubber-soled casual shoes.  I still prefer cycling shorts since 
anything baggy tends to snag on the saddle horn when remounting after a stop.
Steve A

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[RBW] Renewing a Canvas and Leather Bag

2015-02-26 Thread 'jinxed' via RBW Owners Bunch

i will concur with the Obenaufs to treat the leather. Great stuff. 

On cotton canvas I've used a few products that all worked great, but had 
varying application labor. 

Otter Wax bar - Personally my favorite. I found it by far the easiest to use. 
Just rub the bar all over the canvas and set it in the sun or use a hair dryer 
to melt it in. You can use the edge of the bar to get into the seams and 
cracks. It seems to set up drier than the others which is a plus in my book. 
Small USA company too. 

Nikwax spray on Wax Cotton Proof - To be honest, I would have never tried this 
had it not been for their excellent customer service. I called with an 
unrelated question and we got to talking about my waxed cotton jacket. I 
mentioned the reproofing I had been using stayed super oily for a long time. He 
sent me a bottle of their spray on wax for free. It works fantastic on my coat 
and is easy to apply. Its a smooth cotton though and I never tried it on 
heavier canvas with leather trim. 

Barbour Thorn Proof dressing - I used this stuff because my jacket came with a 
tin. It gives you that freshly wrestled with a fried chicken look. Very oily. 
It's also a little tricky to apply. You have to melt the proofing in the tin, 
then wipe it on a warm garment. Imagine smearing candle wax on fabric. It's 
liquid for a millisecond, then hardens. I found a technique that worked 
eventually, but was still slow. Once I got the Nikwax I never looked back. 

Filson tin cloth dressing - similar to Barbour being oily, but is easier to 
apply. It can be wiped on out of the tin, spreads easier. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Klean Kanteen Conversion Questons

Patrick: VO seems to have you covered:
http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/mojave-cage.html



 On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 7:08:39 AM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote:



 (1) uninsulated 40 or 64 oz. with velcro on cage using Irish straps to
 secure it for bikepacking and extra water capacity. Suggestions on wear to
 strap this beastie?

 On the Hunqapillar, this gives me up to 76 oz. for daily rides, 140 oz.
 capacity for bikepacking (plus a 100 oz bladder if needed, but it’s hard to
 use and tastes plasticy.)

 Thoughts, suggestions?

 With abandon,
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Re: [RBW] Re: Renewing a Canvas and Leather Bag

ps - there's so much beeswax in Obenauf's, it smells like honey

On Thursday, February 26, 2015 at 7:06:44 AM UTC-6, Ron Mc wrote:

 sorry I'm late - Obenauf's is the ultimate leather treatment
 http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/goo13-tiny.htm
 Martexin for the canvas
 http://acornbags.com/collections/accessories/products/martexin-original-wax 
  
 using a hair drier after application of Martexin, and rubbing the hot/wet 
 helps to wet the wax through the canvas.  

 On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 9:18:36 PM UTC-6, Eric Norris wrote:

 Thanks! 

 --Eric N
 www.CampyOnly.com
 CampyOnlyGuy.blogspot.com
 Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuy

 On Feb 25, 2015, at 7:02 PM, Deacon Patrick lamon...@mac.com wrote:

 For the leather: coconut oil and beeswax combined is fantastic.
 For the canvas: don't wash in the washing machine. Damp cloth, stiff 
 brush, and then the same as above, but heavier on the beeswax. Or buy 
 Filson's re-proofing wax.

 With abandon,
 Patrick

 On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 7:47:14 PM UTC-7, Eric Norris wrote:

 I have become the owner of a somewhat *beausaged* Berthoud bag, and I 
 wonder if this group might have suggestions for making it look somewhat 
 newer. Should I throw it in the washing machine? Scrub it with a brush? And 
 then what? Rewax it?

 Thanks in advance!

 --Eric N
 www.CampyOnly.com
 CampyOnlyGuy.blogspot.com
 Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuy

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[RBW] Re: Klean Kanteen Conversion Questons

2015-02-26 Thread 'john elliott' via RBW Owners Bunch

I've never cooked with one of these bottles, but if I make a coffee and 
fill my insulated bottle up to the top and seal it, I have good luck with 
it being hot for a long time.  At least 8 hours, and if you don't drink 
half of it, I think it lasts longer.   It would be at least warm the next 
morning.

They work great on hot days too.  I throw a few ice cubes in and they are 
still banging around in there on a hot day hours later.  I can usually 
refill from my uninsulated bottle and reuse the ice.

On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 7:08:39 AM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 What is your experience with insulated/uninsulated Klean Kanteen bottles. 
 Has anyone used the insulated as a camping mug? Used the single-walled one 
 as your water boiling pot? Carried a 40 or 64 oz one in the velcro on/Irish 
 strap secured cage manner?

 More details:

 I am now converting to using Klean Kanteen bottles (from the “glass” lined 
 things Specialized makes) after 2/3rd of my bottles popped out of my 
 standard cages last fall and I need to replace then anyway, as well as 
 hearing the reports from folks here of how much better Iris cages hold 
 bottles on trails, washboard, etc.

 Between insulated and single-walled, and the larger bottles there seem to 
 be some great options for various uses., I’m thinking:

 (1) insulated 20 oz. bottle: mostly to help keep things cool in summer (I 
 drink very little when it’s below freezing, and so seldom that it would be 
 frozen anyway on a longer ride, without being inside my jacket. Also as my 
 coffee/tea mug when bikepacking.

 (2) uninsulated 28 oz. bottle: for daily ride increased volume of 
 capacity, and for boiling water over the firebox when bikepacking.

 (1) uninsulated 40 or 64 oz. with velcro on cage using Irish straps to 
 secure it for bikepacking and extra water capacity. Suggestions on wear to 
 strap this beastie?

 On the Hunqapillar, this gives me up to 76 oz. for daily rides, 140 oz. 
 capacity for bikepacking (plus a 100 oz bladder if needed, but it’s hard to 
 use and tastes plasticy.)

 Thoughts, suggestions?

 With abandon,
 Patrick

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Re: [RBW] Re: Texas-Canada rando-style bike tour

Patrick,

You have to register for the site to get all the details.  The tour does
not provide a van (in fact the cost of registration is $0) but riders are
free to arrange their own, and some already have.  There are details on the
web forum.

Every day's ride is a RUSA permanent brevet, so the only rules are those
that RUSA places on their rides.  SAG is allowed under RUSA and ACP rules
but only at designated controle points.  I would think though that most
people who would do this sort of tour would be experienced randonneurs,
because the daily distances are quite far compared to what people normally
do when touring.  So I don't think that folks are expecting a van to be
waiting there at every stop.  I certainly wouldn't.

If I can get them to take my camping stuff from point to point I am happy
to contribute to the effort.  I imagine they would help also in case of
catastrophic mechanical issues or medical issues.  Getting stranded in the
middle of some random Midwestern state would not be fun.

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 On the trip you linked to, they're not taking a SAG, Jim. Only renting a
 van to drive home after. If you're going with this group, you'll be
 carrying your tent/tarp/bag. Perhaps go ultralight, planning to camp with
 it is present and weather within your tolerances, and hotel when it isn't?
 The cost of the SAG then shifts to your hotel budget.

 With abandon,
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[RBW] Re: WTT: edelux II for upside down version

2015-02-26 Thread Clayton.sf

PJW site says there will be a rear light connector. Will this be on the 
underside or on top of the light - rain issue? Maybe just a typo?

On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 11:31:30 AM UTC-8, Jan Heine wrote:

 They are already listed, but not yet in stock. ETA is late March. Since we 
 were the instigator behind the project, we'll get them as well once they 
 are available.

 Jan Heine
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 On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 6:47:49 AM UTC-8, lungimsam wrote:

 Clayton, Peter White Cycles says they now have the upside down edeluxe 
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[RBW] 7 the new 11

For those of you who don't follow this blog, an interesting development
in drivetrain technology -- or perhaps just more marketing hype?

http://bikeretrogrouch.blogspot.com/

Convert your 11 sp to 7! Only $45!

When the Ram was equipped with a 44/30 Pro 5 Vis drivetrain, I ran a 14-23
7 speed cassette and simply added spacers fore and aft. It indexed fine
with the 7400 dt shifters. Now it has a 16-26 9 speed to get the same
cruising gears in the middle of the cassette.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor

Thanks. Oh well. My 2 Pearl Izumi summer jerseys stink as quickly as the
others. Wool, OTOH, can go for 8 hours of riding without offending the
nearby public (I sweat in winter, too). And yes, I do bathe daily -- my
cotton shirts can go at least 2 full day wearings without being offensive.

Moving on: if anyone has recommendations for cycling-cut summer jerseys --
particularly, trim fit and rear pockets -- that don't stink even for the
smelly bodied, I'd like to hear them.

On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 7:47 AM, Andrew Marchant-Shapiro 
marchantshap...@gmail.com wrote:

 Patrick:

 The two Steves speak the truth.  I generally get free jerseys from charity
 rides or pick some up from Long's when they're on sale.  I've had some
 smell a little after a century in humid Wisconsin summer weather, but not
 badly.

 It may be that some of us generate more toxic sweat than others--but
 personally, I don't.  Sheep or plastic, they all seem to smell the same
 when I'm done.  Lycra shorts I wash after a long ride (I don't wear them
 for short rides) just as I would anything else I had used in those
 conditions.

 (I know Bill Cosby is a *persona non grata*  these days, but I can't help
 but think of his remarks about his mother always insisting that he wear
 clean underwear, and imagining her reaction when a police officer tells her
 he's been in an accident:  Did he have clean underwear? Yes.  We found
 it in the glove compartment.)



 On Thursday, February 26, 2015 at 9:27:06 AM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote:

  On 02/26/2015 09:22 AM, Patrick Moore wrote:

  * Modern cycling jerseys are, IME, very comfortable.ˆ*

  Andy: first, not at all a snark attack.

  I am desperately seeking hot weather jerseys that don't stink after 15
 minutes of riding. Wool is no good for me in temperatures much over 70F. No
 one I know of makes cotton knit jerseys. Can you recommend a ss lightweight
 jersey, cost no object, that is relatively odorless?



 All I can say is, my lycra jerseys do not stink -- not after 15 min, and
 pretty much not after a whole day of riding.  And I do not have to tell you
 what metro DC summer conditions are like.




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[RBW] Re: Texas-Canada rando-style bike tour

I did a motorcycle trip a couple years back, camping every night, but never 
had a destination in mind day to day. It would start getting dark, and I'd 
start looking for a place to camp. I found that small town gas stations 
were the ticket - I'd fill up and ask the attendant if they knew where I 
could camp. Some of the places were quite unexpected:
- Camped in the front yard of the local police station (but only after 
having all my papers/license thoroughly reviewed. Welcome to the USA!)
- Camped out in the yard of a hospital. Got some strange looks from the 
early morning doctors as they were walking in
- A few times, when it got desperate (endless miles with high wire fences 
on both sides, nowhere to camp that wasn't obviously in private property or 
had no way to conceal myself) I 'stealth camped' in KOA or RV camp grounds. 
You know the type, where the 'tenting' area is actually the 'take your dog 
here to shit and piss' area. RV fans humming all night. I never felt bad 
about getting up at 6am and leaving before the park attendant noticed I 
didn't have a ticket.

On Thursday, February 26, 2015 at 10:23:22 AM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 On the trip you linked to, they're not taking a SAG, Jim. Only renting a 
 van to drive home after. If you're going with this group, you'll be 
 carrying your tent/tarp/bag. Perhaps go ultralight, planning to camp with 
 it is present and weather within your tolerances, and hotel when it isn't? 
 The cost of the SAG then shifts to your hotel budget.

 With abandon,
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Re: [RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor

2015-02-26 Thread Brewster Fong


On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 3:15:16 PM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote:

 On 02/25/2015 05:39 PM, Brewster Fong wrote: 
  Now, this is nothing but anedotal and just one example, but for my 
  buddy, the right tool got him going! I don't care what it was made out 
  of, but the supposedly stiff, uncomfortable aluminum frame road bike 
  got him hooked and we love it! 

 Some of those Alu Specialized road bikes have riding positions very 
 similar to what GP was advocating back in 2002.  I know quite a few 
 people who have them and like them a lot.  I think the Zerts inserts are 
 pure placebo and the bikes would be better off with something wider than 
 a 25mm tire, but for something you can just walk into a LBS and get for 
 (by modern standards) relatively cheap money, there are lots worse bikes 
 people could buy. 

 Yes, it is not just Specialized, but all the biggies - Trek, C'dale and 
Giant to name a few - now offer more upright riding position for all 
their bikes.  For example, Trek sells its carbon bikes with a H1 fit. 
That's the standard racing fit with low, low bars and super high saddles.  
BUT, they also sell the same frames/bikes with a H2 fit that has higher 
bars and a more upright riding position. In fact, this is how the 
new 10.25lb Trek Emondo, or whatever it is called,  is being offered. Then 
again, if you're really going to spend $15k for a bike, it better be 
available in any position that you want! 
 
I believe the credit for this positioning goes to Grant and his famous 
raise dat stem article that came out in the late 90s?!  Now, if we can 
only do something about G's fetish with double top tubes (on a 56cm frame!) 
and carbon bashing, we might have somethingGood Luck! 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Texas-Canada rando-style bike tour

You kid, but I was able to call someone for a ride from 3 hours away when I
was stranded in Texas with a broken crank.  That isn't going to be an
option on this tour.

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 As opposed to getting stranded in Texas? Grin.

 With abandon,
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Re: [RBW] Re: Klean Kanteen Conversion Questons

I dig your firebox Deac - really nice.  

On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 10:31:36 AM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 Here's the firebox I use:
 http://www.fireboxstove.com/5-inch-folding-firebox

 With abandon,
 Patrick

 On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 9:20:18 AM UTC-7, Mark Reimer wrote:

 Ooo I'm going to have to try that one day!

 On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 10:18 AM, Deacon Patrick lamon...@mac.com 
 wrote:

 Very exacting technique is required to boil water in a KK:

 1. fill water into brushed stainless bottle.
 2. place bottle on or above heat source (try this at home kids!)
 3. wait for it to boil
 4. use gloves or pot holder (tangier works well) to prevent cooking your 
 hands when removing bottle.
 5. prepare favorite hit beverage for yourself and all your friends.
 6. allow the warmth of the sun stored in the fuel you burned to warm you 
 as you sip your favorite hot beverage.

 Grin.

 With abandon,
 Patrick

 On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 9:04:13 AM UTC-7, Mark Reimer wrote:

 Can you elaborate on this?

 I've had this as a plan for years and am just getting to the 
 conversion now.

 Is there something special you've got to do to use a K.K. as a pot? 

 I doubt you'd ever torque the bottle mounts off. You could definitely 
 break a bottle cage though. The straps/velcro seem like a good idea.

 On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 9:59 AM, Deacon Patrick lamon...@mac.com 
 wrote:

 Thanks, Mark. Yes, I'd be using the brushed stainless uninsulated 
 bottle as my pot. I've had this as a plan for years and am just getting 
 to 
 the conversion now. For the mug, I'd just be drinking out of the 
 insulated 
 metal bottle (removing the standard top). I'd be getting the sport top 
 for 
 the two uninsulated 28 oz. bottles.

 My main concern with the 40 or 64 oz. bottles (I'm thinking the 64 
 will fit just in front of the rear tire on/behind the seat post tube.) is 
 the weight torquing the bottle mounts off, even with additional straps. 
 That's what I like about the velcro option is that with rubber tubing 
 under 
 it is should be fairly stable, but also not have a frame welded failure 
 point.

 With abandon,
 Patrick


 On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 8:30:25 AM UTC-7, Mark Reimer wrote:

 Patrick,

 I use both these on a daily basis, have been for about six months 
 straight now. 

 I use the 27oz/800ml for water. Never tried using it for boiling. Am 
 I understanding you correctly that you would use the actual bottle as 
 your 
 boiling pot? I Couldn't do that as I have painted/colored bottles. 
 That'd 
 get nasty. I suppose with the unpainted ones you could probably do that, 
 provided you had some thick gloves to pick it up. Anyway, no complaints. 
 I 
 love them actually. Drinking water from a wide-mouth bottle is 
 delightful 
 after squeezing water through a spout.

 I use the insulated ones as coffee mugs. Klean Kanteen makes a 
 HORRIBLE coffee lid which will turn it into a nice mug. I say horrible 
 because it is in no way close to leak proof. Just walking around with it 
 can cause leaks. But if you're just sitting around having a cup, no 
 problem. I'm sipping coffee from one as I type actually. 

 They come with a 'normal' lid, which is great and 100% leak proof. I 
 can keep my coffee hot for 8 hours with that lid. 

 I did experience an odd after-taste with the insulated ones, which 
 lasted for about two weeks. It's totally gone now. A few good scrubs and 
 a 
 lot of coffee cured it of that. 

 I've yet to try the larger size un-insulated, but plan on buying one 
 to store under the down-tube in the third bottle cage of my Atlantis. I 
 think Velo Orange just released a new cage for these. I've seen photos 
 of 
 other people fitting these bottles down there, should work. 
 Alternatively 
 you could just keep it in your saddle bag, or strap some cages to your 
 fork 
 legs, like how the Salsa Fargo's, Pugsleys, etc have. 





 On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 9:08:39 AM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick 
 wrote:

 What is your experience with insulated/uninsulated Klean Kanteen 
 bottles. Has anyone used the insulated as a camping mug? Used the 
 single-walled one as your water boiling pot? Carried a 40 or 64 oz one 
 in 
 the velcro on/Irish strap secured cage manner?

 More details:

 I am now converting to using Klean Kanteen bottles (from the “glass” 
 lined things Specialized makes) after 2/3rd of my bottles popped out of 
 my 
 standard cages last fall and I need to replace then anyway, as well as 
 hearing the reports from folks here of how much better Iris cages hold 
 bottles on trails, washboard, etc.

 Between insulated and single-walled, and the larger bottles there 
 seem to be some great options for various uses., I’m thinking:

 (1) insulated 20 oz. bottle: mostly to help keep things cool in 
 summer (I drink very little when it’s below freezing, and so seldom 
 that it 
 would be frozen anyway on a longer ride, without being inside my 
 jacket. 
 Also as my

[RBW] 7 the new 11

I just saw that Longleaf sells 7-speed HD50 cassettes and spacers. Maybe for my 
next cassette change I'll try 7 speed.

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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB Jitensha Bar

Jim, I got the 615mm bars

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/bulldog1935/Raleigh/Viner/aaP2230001.jpg


On Thursday, February 26, 2015 at 10:49:52 AM UTC-6, Jim Bronson wrote:

 Did you get the 575s or the 615s?

 On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 7:18 AM, Ron Mc bulld...@gmail.com javascript: 
 wrote:

 here's my new MAP bars


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 come on partsI'll have a new bike by next weekend.  


 On Tuesday, February 17, 2015 at 9:45:01 AM UTC-6, Ron Mc wrote:

 Congrats - that's beautiful.  My MAP bars are out in today's mail.  I'm 
 building up an old Viner cross frame for riding the unimproved creek paths 
 around here  
 I've rubbed and touched it up since this photo (waxed it last night), 
 but I'm still collecting parts.  


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 On Monday, February 16, 2015 at 9:31:07 PM UTC-6, Amit Singh wrote:

 Before: https://www.flickr.com/photos/amisingh/16345788129/

 After: https://www.flickr.com/photos/amisingh/16553860631/

 Still need to add a rack, basket and a shopville bag.

 Oh, and that fenderline ... 

 On Friday, 13 February 2015 10:00:08 UTC-8, Amit Singh wrote:

 Aw snap. Now you tell me! :)

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[RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor

2015-02-26 Thread Daniel D.

Things are nicer when people are advocates for what they like rather than 
opponents of what they dislike.   No need to come across as mean or 
judgmental( Grant's own words in the intro to Just Ride) we're just 
talking about bikes...

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Re: [RBW] Re: Texas-Canada rando-style bike tour

As opposed to getting stranded in Texas? Grin.

With abandon,
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Re: [RBW] Re: Texas-Canada rando-style bike tour

AAA offeres bike service roadside now. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick 

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 You kid, but I was able to call someone for a ride from 3 hours away when 
 I was stranded in Texas with a broken crank.  That isn't going to be an 
 option on this tour.

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 As opposed to getting stranded in Texas? Grin.

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[RBW] Re: 7 the new 11

2015-02-26 Thread Matthew J

In the article about his new Herse Rando bike, Jan Heine explained his 
decision to go with a 5 cog freewheel is based on the fact after years of 
riding he used those five gears most of the time.  I suspect that many of 
us never make use of all 11, 9, or even 7 gears for most of our riding. 
 Certainly worth looking into. 

On Thursday, February 26, 2015 at 12:09:14 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:

 For those of you who don't follow this blog, an interesting development 
 in drivetrain technology -- or perhaps just more marketing hype?

 http://bikeretrogrouch.blogspot.com/

 Convert your 11 sp to 7! Only $45!

 When the Ram was equipped with a 44/30 Pro 5 Vis drivetrain, I ran a 14-23 
 7 speed cassette and simply added spacers fore and aft. It indexed fine 
 with the 7400 dt shifters. Now it has a 16-26 9 speed to get the same 
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RE: [RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor

2015-02-26 Thread Allingham II, Thomas J

Annnd we have reached the dead of winter!

From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill Lindsay
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 2:13 PM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor

I own a 56cm Rivendell with a second top tube.  Brewster Fong thinks my bicycle 
is stupid and worthy of ridicule.  I think my bicycle is beautiful and I love 
riding it.

My 
Bombahttps://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/8474652710/in/set-72157632769612752

Brewster Fong thinks it is wrong for Grant to insult carbon fiber, but he 
doesn't mind insulting my bike.  I get it!  Brewster Fong says whatever gets 
you riding!, but obviously doesn't really mean it.  I really mean it.  If you 
love your bike, that's awesome!

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Thursday, February 26, 2015 at 9:46:43 AM UTC-8, Brewster Fong wrote:

On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 3:15:16 PM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote:
On 02/25/2015 05:39 PM, Brewster Fong wrote:
 Now, this is nothing but anedotal and just one example, but for my
 buddy, the right tool got him going! I don't care what it was made out
 of, but the supposedly stiff, uncomfortable aluminum frame road bike
 got him hooked and we love it!

Some of those Alu Specialized road bikes have riding positions very
similar to what GP was advocating back in 2002.  I know quite a few
people who have them and like them a lot.  I think the Zerts inserts are
pure placebo and the bikes would be better off with something wider than
a 25mm tire, but for something you can just walk into a LBS and get for
(by modern standards) relatively cheap money, there are lots worse bikes
people could buy.
Yes, it is not just Specialized, but all the biggies - Trek, C'dale and Giant 
to name a few - now offer more upright riding position for all their bikes.  
For example, Trek sells its carbon bikes with a H1 fit. That's the standard 
racing fit with low, low bars and super high saddles.  BUT, they also sell the 
same frames/bikes with a H2 fit that has higher bars and a more upright riding 
position. In fact, this is how the new 10.25lb Trek Emondo, or whatever it is 
called,  is being offered. Then again, if you're really going to spend $15k for 
a bike, it better be available in any position that you want!

I believe the credit for this positioning goes to Grant and his famous raise 
dat stem article that came out in the late 90s?!  Now, if we can only do 
something about G's fetish with double top tubes (on a 56cm frame!) and carbon 
bashing, we might have somethingGood Luck!
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Re: [RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor

2015-02-26 Thread Brewster Fong


On Thursday, February 26, 2015 at 11:13:15 AM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:

 I own a 56cm Rivendell with a second top tube.  Brewster Fong thinks my 
 bicycle is stupid and worthy of ridicule.  I think my bicycle is beautiful 
 and I love riding it.  

 My Bomba 
 https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/8474652710/in/set-72157632769612752

 Brewster Fong thinks it is wrong for Grant to insult carbon fiber, but he 
 doesn't mind insulting my bike.  I get it!  Brewster Fong says whatever 
 gets you riding!, but obviously doesn't really mean it.  I really mean it. 
  If you love your bike, 

 
You're right Bill. I should have clarified, I wasn't talking about the 
looks of double top tubes, but the *need* for it, especially on a 56cm 
bike?  Maybe you can tell us how wonderful it rides compared to a single 
top tube. Personally, I never ridden a bike with two tts, but think it 
would stiffen the bike. Wrong?  Hey, since my foot is in my mouth, maybe 
the double tt helps the bike plane!  Further, the double tt is not 
limited to Rivendell, there's a guy at my work who rides a Sycip with 2 tt:
 
http://sycip.com/project/cruiser-town-bikes/
 
Btw, I have a 18 year old carbon bike that many people find ugly! It's a 
Calfee with the gussets (webbing). There are many, many people out there 
who think its one of the ugliest bikes made. I agree, its not the 
prettiest, but man, it is so comfortable to ride!  Oh yeah, and very 
durable too! 
 
Nevertheless, I still think its wrong for Grant to insult carbon. Hey, he 
makes a good product and should be proclaiming the virtues about steel and 
his bikes. After all, doesn't he have like a 3 year wait list for one of 
his customs?  
 
So go enjoy your bike! Since it doesn't rain here any more, that means more 
time to ride! Good Luck! 
 
 

 that's awesome!  

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA

 On Thursday, February 26, 2015 at 9:46:43 AM UTC-8, Brewster Fong wrote:


 On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 3:15:16 PM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar 
 wrote:

 On 02/25/2015 05:39 PM, Brewster Fong wrote: 
  Now, this is nothing but anedotal and just one example, but for my 
  buddy, the right tool got him going! I don't care what it was made out 
  of, but the supposedly stiff, uncomfortable aluminum frame road bike 
  got him hooked and we love it! 

 Some of those Alu Specialized road bikes have riding positions very 
 similar to what GP was advocating back in 2002.  I know quite a few 
 people who have them and like them a lot.  I think the Zerts inserts are 
 pure placebo and the bikes would be better off with something wider than 
 a 25mm tire, but for something you can just walk into a LBS and get for 
 (by modern standards) relatively cheap money, there are lots worse bikes 
 people could buy. 

 Yes, it is not just Specialized, but all the biggies - Trek, C'dale and 
 Giant to name a few - now offer more upright riding position for all 
 their bikes.  For example, Trek sells its carbon bikes with a H1 fit. 
 That's the standard racing fit with low, low bars and super high saddles.  
 BUT, they also sell the same frames/bikes with a H2 fit that has higher 
 bars and a more upright riding position. In fact, this is how the 
 new 10.25lb Trek Emondo, or whatever it is called,  is being offered. Then 
 again, if you're really going to spend $15k for a bike, it better be 
 available in any position that you want! 
  
 I believe the credit for this positioning goes to Grant and his famous 
 raise dat stem article that came out in the late 90s?!  Now, if we can 
 only do something about G's fetish with double top tubes (on a 56cm frame!) 
 and carbon bashing, we might have somethingGood Luck! 



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Re: [RBW] Re: Texas-Canada rando-style bike tour

I looked on AAATexas.com and didn't find any mention of that coverage under
Member Benefits.  When I searched on the term bicycle all I found was
mentions of charity rides and such.  Is it offered in all 50 states?

On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 12:05 PM, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote:

 AAA offeres bike service roadside now. Grin.

 With abandon,
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 On Thursday, February 26, 2015 at 11:01:01 AM UTC-7, Jim Bronson wrote:

 You kid, but I was able to call someone for a ride from 3 hours away when
 I was stranded in Texas with a broken crank.  That isn't going to be an
 option on this tour.

 On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 11:55 AM, Deacon Patrick lamon...@mac.com
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 As opposed to getting stranded in Texas? Grin.

 With abandon,
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Re: [RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor

Craig Calfee is one of the few guys I'd trust to sell me a crabon fiber
bike appropriate for my weight and intended usage.

On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 1:49 PM, Brewster Fong bfd...@gmail.com wrote:


 On Thursday, February 26, 2015 at 11:13:15 AM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:

 I own a 56cm Rivendell with a second top tube.  Brewster Fong thinks my
 bicycle is stupid and worthy of ridicule.  I think my bicycle is beautiful
 and I love riding it.

 My Bomba
 https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/8474652710/in/set-72157632769612752

 Brewster Fong thinks it is wrong for Grant to insult carbon fiber, but he
 doesn't mind insulting my bike.  I get it!  Brewster Fong says whatever
 gets you riding!, but obviously doesn't really mean it.  I really mean
 it.  If you love your bike,


 You're right Bill. I should have clarified, I wasn't talking about the
 looks of double top tubes, but the *need* for it, especially on a 56cm
 bike?  Maybe you can tell us how wonderful it rides compared to a single
 top tube. Personally, I never ridden a bike with two tts, but think it
 would stiffen the bike. Wrong?  Hey, since my foot is in my mouth, maybe
 the double tt helps the bike plane!  Further, the double tt is not
 limited to Rivendell, there's a guy at my work who rides a Sycip with 2 tt:

 http://sycip.com/project/cruiser-town-bikes/

 Btw, I have a 18 year old carbon bike that many people find ugly! It's a
 Calfee with the gussets (webbing). There are many, many people out there
 who think its one of the ugliest bikes made. I agree, its not the
 prettiest, but man, it is so comfortable to ride!  Oh yeah, and very
 durable too!

 Nevertheless, I still think its wrong for Grant to insult carbon. Hey, he
 makes a good product and should be proclaiming the virtues about steel and
 his bikes. After all, doesn't he have like a 3 year wait list for one of
 his customs?

 So go enjoy your bike! Since it doesn't rain here any more, that means
 more time to ride! Good Luck!



 that's awesome!

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA

 On Thursday, February 26, 2015 at 9:46:43 AM UTC-8, Brewster Fong wrote:


 On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 3:15:16 PM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar
 wrote:

 On 02/25/2015 05:39 PM, Brewster Fong wrote:
  Now, this is nothing but anedotal and just one example, but for my
  buddy, the right tool got him going! I don't care what it was made
 out
  of, but the supposedly stiff, uncomfortable aluminum frame road bike
  got him hooked and we love it!

 Some of those Alu Specialized road bikes have riding positions very
 similar to what GP was advocating back in 2002.  I know quite a few
 people who have them and like them a lot.  I think the Zerts inserts
 are
 pure placebo and the bikes would be better off with something wider
 than
 a 25mm tire, but for something you can just walk into a LBS and get for
 (by modern standards) relatively cheap money, there are lots worse
 bikes
 people could buy.

 Yes, it is not just Specialized, but all the biggies - Trek, C'dale and
 Giant to name a few - now offer more upright riding position for all
 their bikes.  For example, Trek sells its carbon bikes with a H1 fit.
 That's the standard racing fit with low, low bars and super high saddles.
 BUT, they also sell the same frames/bikes with a H2 fit that has higher
 bars and a more upright riding position. In fact, this is how the
 new 10.25lb Trek Emondo, or whatever it is called,  is being offered. Then
 again, if you're really going to spend $15k for a bike, it better be
 available in any position that you want!

 I believe the credit for this positioning goes to Grant and his famous
 raise dat stem article that came out in the late 90s?!  Now, if we can
 only do something about G's fetish with double top tubes (on a 56cm frame!)
 and carbon bashing, we might have somethingGood Luck!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor

Brewster

My Bombadil is quite stiff.  Bikes that plane are really flexible.  My 
Bombadil does not plane.  My Rawland Stag with 7/4/7 standard diameter top 
tube and downtube does plane.  My Bombadil is very stout.  I use it for 
camping and trail riding.  At times, I am carrying most of the gear for a 
family of four.  When my bike weighs over 90lbs, the extra few ounces of 
the second top tube does not bother me.  Of my 10 bikes, my Bombadil is 
definitely the most stout.  My Ibis Tandem is also very stiff, with 
radically oversized steel tubing, in addition to a long additional diagonal 
tube between the top tube and downtube.

For what it's worth, I share your opinion that a 59cm Soma San Marcos, 
which is supposed to be a sporty road bike, maybe doesn't need a second top 
tube.  But in general, when a bike doesn't appeal to me, I just don't buy 
it, and leave it at that.  Maybe somebody else does love it and wants to 
buy it, and if that gets them riding, why not!

For what it's worth 2, I'm kind of glad my 56cm Sam Hillborne doesn't have 
a second top tube, because in my application I don't need it.  That bike is 
currently built up quite light, and I just put a pair of 700x38 extralight 
Barlow Pass tires on it.  That bike should really sing on the road now! 
 I'm excited.  



On Thursday, February 26, 2015 at 11:49:11 AM UTC-8, Brewster Fong wrote:


 On Thursday, February 26, 2015 at 11:13:15 AM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:

 I own a 56cm Rivendell with a second top tube.  Brewster Fong thinks my 
 bicycle is stupid and worthy of ridicule.  I think my bicycle is beautiful 
 and I love riding it.  

 My Bomba 
 https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/8474652710/in/set-72157632769612752

 Brewster Fong thinks it is wrong for Grant to insult carbon fiber, but he 
 doesn't mind insulting my bike.  I get it!  Brewster Fong says whatever 
 gets you riding!, but obviously doesn't really mean it.  I really mean it. 
  If you love your bike, 

  
 You're right Bill. I should have clarified, I wasn't talking about the 
 looks of double top tubes, but the *need* for it, especially on a 56cm 
 bike?  Maybe you can tell us how wonderful it rides compared to a single 
 top tube. Personally, I never ridden a bike with two tts, but think it 
 would stiffen the bike. Wrong?  Hey, since my foot is in my mouth, maybe 
 the double tt helps the bike plane!  Further, the double tt is not 
 limited to Rivendell, there's a guy at my work who rides a Sycip with 2 tt:
  
 http://sycip.com/project/cruiser-town-bikes/
  
 Btw, I have a 18 year old carbon bike that many people find ugly! It's a 
 Calfee with the gussets (webbing). There are many, many people out there 
 who think its one of the ugliest bikes made. I agree, its not the 
 prettiest, but man, it is so comfortable to ride!  Oh yeah, and very 
 durable too! 
  
 Nevertheless, I still think its wrong for Grant to insult carbon. Hey, he 
 makes a good product and should be proclaiming the virtues about steel and 
 his bikes. After all, doesn't he have like a 3 year wait list for one of 
 his customs?  
  
 So go enjoy your bike! Since it doesn't rain here any more, that means 
 more time to ride! Good Luck! 
  
  

 that's awesome!  

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA

 On Thursday, February 26, 2015 at 9:46:43 AM UTC-8, Brewster Fong wrote:


 On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 3:15:16 PM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar 
 wrote:

 On 02/25/2015 05:39 PM, Brewster Fong wrote: 
  Now, this is nothing but anedotal and just one example, but for my 
  buddy, the right tool got him going! I don't care what it was made 
 out 
  of, but the supposedly stiff, uncomfortable aluminum frame road bike 
  got him hooked and we love it! 

 Some of those Alu Specialized road bikes have riding positions very 
 similar to what GP was advocating back in 2002.  I know quite a few 
 people who have them and like them a lot.  I think the Zerts inserts 
 are 
 pure placebo and the bikes would be better off with something wider 
 than 
 a 25mm tire, but for something you can just walk into a LBS and get for 
 (by modern standards) relatively cheap money, there are lots worse 
 bikes 
 people could buy. 

 Yes, it is not just Specialized, but all the biggies - Trek, C'dale and 
 Giant to name a few - now offer more upright riding position for all 
 their bikes.  For example, Trek sells its carbon bikes with a H1 fit. 
 That's the standard racing fit with low, low bars and super high saddles.  
 BUT, they also sell the same frames/bikes with a H2 fit that has higher 
 bars and a more upright riding position. In fact, this is how the 
 new 10.25lb Trek Emondo, or whatever it is called,  is being offered. Then 
 again, if you're really going to spend $15k for a bike, it better be 
 available in any position that you want! 
  
 I believe the credit for this positioning goes to Grant and his famous 
 raise dat stem article that came out in the late 90s?!  Now, if we can 
 only do something about G's

Re: [RBW] Re: Texas-Canada rando-style bike tour

I would ask them. Colorado offers it.

On Thursday, February 26, 2015 at 1:05:00 PM UTC-7, Jim Bronson wrote:

 I looked on AAATexas.com and didn't find any mention of that coverage 
 under Member Benefits.  When I searched on the term bicycle all I found was 
 mentions of charity rides and such.  Is it offered in all 50 states?

 On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 12:05 PM, Deacon Patrick lamon...@mac.com 
 javascript: wrote:

 AAA offeres bike service roadside now. Grin.

 With abandon,
 Patrick 

 On Thursday, February 26, 2015 at 11:01:01 AM UTC-7, Jim Bronson wrote:

 You kid, but I was able to call someone for a ride from 3 hours away 
 when I was stranded in Texas with a broken crank.  That isn't going to be 
 an option on this tour.

 On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 11:55 AM, Deacon Patrick lamon...@mac.com 
 wrote:

 As opposed to getting stranded in Texas? Grin.

 With abandon,
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Re: [RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor

The only thing I dislike about my Atlantis is that it doesn't have a double
top tube.

On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 1:13 PM, Bill Lindsay tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:

 I own a 56cm Rivendell with a second top tube.  Brewster Fong thinks my
 bicycle is stupid and worthy of ridicule.  I think my bicycle is beautiful
 and I love riding it.

 My Bomba
 https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/8474652710/in/set-72157632769612752

 Brewster Fong thinks it is wrong for Grant to insult carbon fiber, but he
 doesn't mind insulting my bike.  I get it!  Brewster Fong says whatever
 gets you riding!, but obviously doesn't really mean it.  I really mean
 it.  If you love your bike, that's awesome!

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA


 On Thursday, February 26, 2015 at 9:46:43 AM UTC-8, Brewster Fong wrote:


 On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 3:15:16 PM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar
 wrote:

 On 02/25/2015 05:39 PM, Brewster Fong wrote:
  Now, this is nothing but anedotal and just one example, but for my
  buddy, the right tool got him going! I don't care what it was made out
  of, but the supposedly stiff, uncomfortable aluminum frame road bike
  got him hooked and we love it!

 Some of those Alu Specialized road bikes have riding positions very
 similar to what GP was advocating back in 2002.  I know quite a few
 people who have them and like them a lot.  I think the Zerts inserts are
 pure placebo and the bikes would be better off with something wider than
 a 25mm tire, but for something you can just walk into a LBS and get for
 (by modern standards) relatively cheap money, there are lots worse bikes
 people could buy.

 Yes, it is not just Specialized, but all the biggies - Trek, C'dale and
 Giant to name a few - now offer more upright riding position for all
 their bikes.  For example, Trek sells its carbon bikes with a H1 fit.
 That's the standard racing fit with low, low bars and super high saddles.
 BUT, they also sell the same frames/bikes with a H2 fit that has higher
 bars and a more upright riding position. In fact, this is how the
 new 10.25lb Trek Emondo, or whatever it is called,  is being offered. Then
 again, if you're really going to spend $15k for a bike, it better be
 available in any position that you want!

 I believe the credit for this positioning goes to Grant and his famous
 raise dat stem article that came out in the late 90s?!  Now, if we can
 only do something about G's fetish with double top tubes (on a 56cm frame!)
 and carbon bashing, we might have somethingGood Luck!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor

I own a 56cm Rivendell with a second top tube.  Brewster Fong thinks my 
bicycle is stupid and worthy of ridicule.  I think my bicycle is beautiful 
and I love riding it.  

My Bomba 
https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/8474652710/in/set-72157632769612752

Brewster Fong thinks it is wrong for Grant to insult carbon fiber, but he 
doesn't mind insulting my bike.  I get it!  Brewster Fong says whatever 
gets you riding!, but obviously doesn't really mean it.  I really mean it. 
 If you love your bike, that's awesome!  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Thursday, February 26, 2015 at 9:46:43 AM UTC-8, Brewster Fong wrote:


 On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 3:15:16 PM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote:

 On 02/25/2015 05:39 PM, Brewster Fong wrote: 
  Now, this is nothing but anedotal and just one example, but for my 
  buddy, the right tool got him going! I don't care what it was made out 
  of, but the supposedly stiff, uncomfortable aluminum frame road bike 
  got him hooked and we love it! 

 Some of those Alu Specialized road bikes have riding positions very 
 similar to what GP was advocating back in 2002.  I know quite a few 
 people who have them and like them a lot.  I think the Zerts inserts are 
 pure placebo and the bikes would be better off with something wider than 
 a 25mm tire, but for something you can just walk into a LBS and get for 
 (by modern standards) relatively cheap money, there are lots worse bikes 
 people could buy. 

 Yes, it is not just Specialized, but all the biggies - Trek, C'dale and 
 Giant to name a few - now offer more upright riding position for all 
 their bikes.  For example, Trek sells its carbon bikes with a H1 fit. 
 That's the standard racing fit with low, low bars and super high saddles.  
 BUT, they also sell the same frames/bikes with a H2 fit that has higher 
 bars and a more upright riding position. In fact, this is how the 
 new 10.25lb Trek Emondo, or whatever it is called,  is being offered. Then 
 again, if you're really going to spend $15k for a bike, it better be 
 available in any position that you want! 
  
 I believe the credit for this positioning goes to Grant and his famous 
 raise dat stem article that came out in the late 90s?!  Now, if we can 
 only do something about G's fetish with double top tubes (on a 56cm frame!) 
 and carbon bashing, we might have somethingGood Luck! 


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Re: [RBW] Re: 7 the new 11

2015-02-26 Thread Chris Chen

Sure, no arguments there, but something to remember are the availability of
parts; From my understanding, Jan changes his chains at a rigorous interval
to keep from wearing down rings and sprockets. It's getting harder to find
nice 7 speed stuff, not impossible, but just something to think about.

On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 10:44 AM, Matthew J matthewj...@gmail.com wrote:

 In the article about his new Herse Rando bike, Jan Heine explained his
 decision to go with a 5 cog freewheel is based on the fact after years of
 riding he used those five gears most of the time.  I suspect that many of
 us never make use of all 11, 9, or even 7 gears for most of our riding.
 Certainly worth looking into.


 On Thursday, February 26, 2015 at 12:09:14 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:

 For those of you who don't follow this blog, an interesting development
 in drivetrain technology -- or perhaps just more marketing hype?

 http://bikeretrogrouch.blogspot.com/

 Convert your 11 sp to 7! Only $45!

 When the Ram was equipped with a 44/30 Pro 5 Vis drivetrain, I ran a
 14-23 7 speed cassette and simply added spacers fore and aft. It indexed
 fine with the 7400 dt shifters. Now it has a 16-26 9 speed to get the same
 cruising gears in the middle of the cassette.

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[RBW] Re: 7 the new 11

If the spread was right, I would do great on 3-5 gears. I'd be delighted 
with a wider-spread/fewer gears option so long as it didn't cost an arm and 
a leg.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: WTT: edelux II for upside down version

2015-02-26 Thread Anton Tutter

I don't know what the final form will look like in terms of wiring, but my 
understanding is that the upside down housings will now be grounded. 
Version 1 upside down units were not grounded through the housing and 
required the braided ground conductor of the co-axial cable for ground.  If 
the new grounded housing allows use of the braided conductor for the 
taillight, they can get away with the same single 3mm co-axial cable that 
they've been using; no need for a third conductor for the taillight.

Before version 2, there was a clear design deficiency in the upside down 
version in that there was no taillight control. For the 1% of cyclists 
with the good fortune of having a custom stem-mounted switch, this obviated 
the need for taillight control to be built into the headlight.  But for the 
rest of us, it was a clear problem. Enough of a problem that I had a lot of 
people coming to me to reverse-engineer their upside down Edeluxes to 
re-introduce this functionality, which I was able to do simply by replacing 
the co-axial cable with tri-axial cable and a little bit of micro-surgery 
on the circuit board (which had the taillight output circuit still there 
but unused, waiting for a wire to be soldered to it). I still do not 
understand why Schmidt did not use this type of wiring all along to allow 
the 99% of cyclists buying the upside down Edelux to be able to control a 
taillight without some type of external switch.

Anton


On Thursday, February 26, 2015 at 12:58:24 PM UTC-5, Clayton.sf wrote:

 PJW site says there will be a rear light connector. Will this be on the 
 underside or on top of the light - rain issue? Maybe just a typo?

 On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 11:31:30 AM UTC-8, Jan Heine wrote:

 They are already listed, but not yet in stock. ETA is late March. Since 
 we were the instigator behind the project, we'll get them as well once they 
 are available.

 Jan Heine
 Compass Bicycles Ltd.
 www.compasscycle.com

 Follow our blog at http://janheine.wordpress.com/

 On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 6:47:49 AM UTC-8, lungimsam wrote:

 Clayton, Peter White Cycles says they now have the upside down edeluxe 
 II. There are two models of it.



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[RBW] Re: 7 the new 11

2015-02-26 Thread cyclotour...@gmail.com

Seven is good, as they are available in cassettes and not freewheels. I'm 
not a freewheel guy. I really like eight speeds though. A fairly wide range 
(although would like a 36T cog) and it still uses standard chains.
The last of the good ones!


On Thursday, February 26, 2015 at 11:10:34 AM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 If the spread was right, I would do great on 3-5 gears. I'd be delighted 
 with a wider-spread/fewer gears option so long as it didn't cost an arm and 
 a leg.

 With abandon,
 Patrick


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Re: [RBW] Re: 7 the new 11


On 02/26/2015 03:37 PM, cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote:
Seven is good, as they are available in cassettes and not freewheels. 
I'm not a freewheel guy. I really like eight speeds though. A fairly 
wide range (although would like a 36T cog) and it still uses standard 
chains.

The last of the good ones!


No, there are good 9s also.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor


On 02/26/2015 03:10 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote:

Brewster

My Bombadil is quite stiff.  Bikes that plane are really flexible. 
 My Bombadil does not plane.  My Rawland Stag with 7/4/7 standard 
diameter top tube and downtube does plane.  My Bombadil is very stout. 
 I use it for camping and trail riding.  At times, I am carrying most 
of the gear for a family of four.  When my bike weighs over 90lbs, the 
extra few ounces of the second top tube does not bother me.


When your bike weighs 90 pounds, a 2nd top tube may actually be doing 
you some good!   I'm happy to have a diagonal tube on a tandem, too.  
Jan notwithstanding, I had a French tandem once with twin external 
laterals.  They were decorative and made a nice place to cradle a water 
bottle, but provided no lateral stiffness whatsoever.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor

the second top tube is also a terriffic handle for portaging it up the 
stairs to BART

On Thursday, February 26, 2015 at 12:49:45 PM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote:

 On 02/26/2015 03:10 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote: 
  Brewster 
  
  My Bombadil is quite stiff.  Bikes that plane are really flexible. 
   My Bombadil does not plane.  My Rawland Stag with 7/4/7 standard 
  diameter top tube and downtube does plane.  My Bombadil is very stout. 
   I use it for camping and trail riding.  At times, I am carrying most 
  of the gear for a family of four.  When my bike weighs over 90lbs, the 
  extra few ounces of the second top tube does not bother me. 

 When your bike weighs 90 pounds, a 2nd top tube may actually be doing 
 you some good!   I'm happy to have a diagonal tube on a tandem, too.   
 Jan notwithstanding, I had a French tandem once with twin external 
 laterals.  They were decorative and made a nice place to cradle a water 
 bottle, but provided no lateral stiffness whatsoever. 




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Re: [RBW] Re: 7 the new 11


On 02/26/2015 02:03 PM, Chris Chen wrote:
Sure, no arguments there, but something to remember are the 
availability of parts; From my understanding, Jan changes his chains 
at a rigorous interval to keep from wearing down rings and sprockets. 
It's getting harder to find nice 7 speed stuff, not impossible, but 
just something to think about.


If you mean cassettes, the last time I looked the full original range of 
gear combinations was still available (unlike the case with 8, where 
anything wide range not beginning with 11 was discontinued) but the 
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Re: [RBW] Re: 7 the new 11


On 02/26/2015 04:05 PM, Jim Bronson wrote:
I like the comment The HG-50 is still made in Japan, thus the higher 
price.  $19.95-$25.95 is expensive? Seems like a great deal to me.


I use the HG-50 9 speed 11-34s and I'm very happy with them. FWIW, and 
YMMV.


Perhaps that's compared to the HG50s of 2 years ago, which as I recall 
were all black and looked kind of not-so-nice.   But yes, the price of 7 
spd cassettes is very reasonable, especially when you compare with 10 
and 11.



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[RBW] Re: 7 the new 11

2015-02-26 Thread Garth


  Forgive me if I am mistaken, but have not single cogs and spacers(Shimano 
and Miche) pretty much always been available since cassettes have been 
around ?   I know since at least the 90's this has been so.  This, on top 
of dismantling pre-configured cassettes and using those cogs and spacers , 
the ones that had/have rivets.  Yes, I'm also aware that some used non 
modifiable spiders and all that .  

   I myself have used the same Sachs freewheels since the 90's. Either a 7 
speed 13-32 or 6 13-28, all using the 13,15,17,20,24,28-32 spread.  36t and 
48t rings pretty much keeps me covered, I have a 24t but have rarely used 
it, and in those places I may as have been walking ;)   

   So I guess 7 is still the same 'ol 7 here  ;-)   7 being Heaven 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Texas-Canada rando-style bike tour

2015-02-26 Thread Tim McNamara




 On Feb 26, 2015, at 12:05 PM, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote:
 
 AAA offeres bike service roadside now. Grin.

Better World Club is the auto club I use, green(er) oriented and they do offer 
bike service.

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Re: [RBW] Re: 7 the new 11

I like the comment The HG-50 is still made in Japan, thus the higher
price.  $19.95-$25.95 is expensive?  Seems like a great deal to me.

I use the HG-50 9 speed 11-34s and I'm very happy with them.  FWIW, and
YMMV.

Jim

On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 2:54 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote:

 On 02/26/2015 02:03 PM, Chris Chen wrote:

 Sure, no arguments there, but something to remember are the availability
 of parts; From my understanding, Jan changes his chains at a rigorous
 interval to keep from wearing down rings and sprockets. It's getting harder
 to find nice 7 speed stuff, not impossible, but just something to think
 about.


 If you mean cassettes, the last time I looked the full original range of
 gear combinations was still available (unlike the case with 8, where
 anything wide range not beginning with 11 was discontinued) but the HG50s
 were available. http://sheldonbrown.com/harris/k7.html#7



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Re: [RBW] Re: 7 the new 11

That being said, you can get the 9 speed HG50 for about the same price as
the 7 speed, so IMO if you are starting fresh there's really no reason not
to go 9 speed.

On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 3:12 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote:

 On 02/26/2015 04:05 PM, Jim Bronson wrote:

 I like the comment The HG-50 is still made in Japan, thus the higher
 price.  $19.95-$25.95 is expensive? Seems like a great deal to me.

 I use the HG-50 9 speed 11-34s and I'm very happy with them. FWIW, and
 YMMV.


 Perhaps that's compared to the HG50s of 2 years ago, which as I recall
 were all black and looked kind of not-so-nice.   But yes, the price of 7
 spd cassettes is very reasonable, especially when you compare with 10 and
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Re: [RBW] Re: 7 the new 11

2015-02-26 Thread 'pb' via RBW Owners Bunch



On Thursday, February 26, 2015 at 12:54:35 PM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote:

 ... unlike the case with 8, where anything wide range not beginning with 
 11 was discontinued...


FYI, I recently bought a Sunrace 12-32 8-speed from Amazon.  
Eighteen-fifty, shipped.  I very much did not want to have an 11.  I would 
have preferred a 12-30, but that's splitting hairs.

~pb

  

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Re: [RBW] Re: 7 the new 11

2015-02-26 Thread cyclotour...@gmail.com

Nine works as the best modern gearing for me. I'm slowly moving eights 
over to nine, and may move my one 10 to nine at some point. I like 
standardization :) 

On Thursday, February 26, 2015 at 1:35:36 PM UTC-8, Jim Bronson wrote:

 That being said, you can get the 9 speed HG50 for about the same price as 
 the 7 speed, so IMO if you are starting fresh there's really no reason not 
 to go 9 speed.

 On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 3:12 PM, Steve Palincsar pali...@his.com 
 javascript: wrote:

 On 02/26/2015 04:05 PM, Jim Bronson wrote:

 I like the comment The HG-50 is still made in Japan, thus the higher 
 price.  $19.95-$25.95 is expensive? Seems like a great deal to me.

 I use the HG-50 9 speed 11-34s and I'm very happy with them. FWIW, and 
 YMMV.


 Perhaps that's compared to the HG50s of 2 years ago, which as I recall 
 were all black and looked kind of not-so-nice.   But yes, the price of 7 
 spd cassettes is very reasonable, especially when you compare with 10 and 
 11.



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[RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor

2015-02-26 Thread Andrew Marchant-Shapiro

Grant is a marketeer and an interesting person.  To some extent, he *is* 
trying to get people to drink his Kool-Aid because that's his market 
space.  I well recall when he was selling an older Campy front derailer.  
It had an oversized clamp, so he sold it with a plastic sleeve that you 
used over the seat tube to correctly fit it.  It was the best thing ever, 
and I've seen him do that repeatedly with old stock items.  So to some 
extent, yeah, he's just trying to move stock.  Come *on*--the man sells 
luxury-class bicycles to people with money who (and I count myself in the 
'who' even though I don't own a Riv) like to pretend that they're saving 
the planet or bohemian or randonneurs or...  Look.  We're exactly like a 
sports car club.  The difference in utility for most of us between a Riv 
frame and a '70s UJB or '80s Trek is *de minimis*.  Check my blog post here 
for further thought:  
https://lawschoolissoover.wordpress.com/2014/09/06/marginalia/

At the same time, Grant has some clear philosophical convictions (some of 
which I like, many of which I disagree with, but that's between him and me) 
about the way things *should* be done.  And that's OK, too.  In fact, 
that's *great*.  That's how we learn.  Thesis, antithesis, synthesis, 
remember?

But sometimes they bleed together and Grant *sounds like* a BS artist.  His 
talk about plastic racing wear, for example.  Modern cycling jerseys are, 
IME, very comfortable.  Wool is nice, too.  But he uses terms that 
denigrate others to get his point across, and *that's* where the trouble 
comes in.

He should come to New Haven, where lots of people wear lots of different 
things to ride in, and some of us switch it around.  I love riding in 
street clothes, and I love riding in plastic.  Not because I race (I 
commute and group ride all on the same dynohub-equipped bike).  I ride in 
what's suited to the circumstances.  When it's 95 and muggy, I wear plastic 
and Lycra and carry street clothes in panniers.  Etc.  Grant's language 
implies that he would consider my choice to rid exclusively in SPDs to be 
foolish and racer-y.  In fact, I find clipless more comfortable *and* it's 
far easier to find size 13B bike shoes/sandals that 13B street shoes.  Etc.

He *does* sound dictatorial from time to time.  

So do other people.

And that's when I take a leaf from the past and say Fsck 'em if they don't 
have a sense of humor.  And go ride my bike.  The way *I* want to ride it 
that day.

On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 10:58:41 PM UTC-5, Don Compton wrote:

 I own a Mini Cooper and see a similar thing in the group. As new , the 
 cars handle so well. But owners look at racecars that are very low and 
 think that you have to have that look and the change will surely improve 
 the handling. Well, maybe not, ( probably not). Oh well

 On Tuesday, February 24, 2015 at 1:08:44 PM UTC-8, Jon in the foothills of 
 Central Colorado wrote:

 In the new Adventure Cyclist Mag

 PETERSEN RESPONDS TO READER

 LETTER ‘UNRACING? UNCOOL’

 Racing attitudes, bikes, clothing,

 and diets have become the norm and

 normal, and are so pervasive that many

 adult cyclists, maybe even some you

 know, accept the racing standards as

 the only legitimate way to be a serious

 adult cyclist. What I tried to do in the

 book *Just Ride *— and what we do here

 at Rivendell Bicycle Works — is offer

 an alternative, a model to other adult

 cyclists that there is another way. This

 letter is not an ad for either. I’m simply

 saying where I come from and what I

 do.

 We are the mice trying to squeak

 above the roar at the base of the

 waterfall. It is no time to be wishywashy,

 but I try hard to not offend.

 Inevitably, a declarative position on

 any matter is bound to raise a few

 hackles with those who have a different

 position, but it still hurts to be judged

 by a stranger who would probably like

 me, and whom I’d surely like, in person.

 A good number of our customers are

 middle-aged and older folks trying to

 fit in some activity as they age. They

 often have the means, and they’re

 influenced by what they read and see

 that promotes racers as a good model —

 and that’s something I don’t agree with.

 They shop as innocents and come

 out of it dressed like racers and riding

 bikes that are not only inappropriate

 for the kind of riding they do, but are,

 on top of that and more egregiously, not

 comfortable. We undo that. You may

 see ego or evil behind it, but I don’t

 feel either of those. I see racing and

 racers as fringe and am simply trying

 to legitimize an alternative point of

 view, one that I feel strongly about. I’m

 trying — certainly not singlehandedly —

 to make people feel good about riding

 without dressing in pro-team gear and

 copying so many other affectations of

 the racer, and that is what Unracing and

 *Just Ride *and Rivendell Bicycle Works is

 all about. We’re nobody’s enemy. Some

 of my best friends pedal

Re: [RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor


On 02/26/2015 04:10 AM, Andrew Marchant-Shapiro wrote:
Grant is a marketeer and an interesting person.  To some extent, he 
/is/ trying to get people to drink his Kool-Aid because that's his 
market space.  I well recall when he was selling an older Campy front 
derailer.  It had an oversized clamp, so he sold it with a plastic 
sleeve that you used over the seat tube to correctly fit it.  It was 
the best thing ever, and I've seen him do that repeatedly with old 
stock items.  So to some extent, yeah, he's just trying to move stock.


I don't recall this one, but if it was the Racing T front derailleur 
then /Hell yes/, it was the best thing ever for 110/74 compact triples 
and the fact that you needed a shim to get it to fit the seat tube is 
just the price of doing business.  I still marvel at this: why on earth 
would Campagnolo, a company with a proven track record of no interest or 
expertise with touring gearing produce what is by far the best front 
derailleur for such gearing I've ever seen?  So, if it was that one, it 
wasn't just trying to move stock at all.



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[RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor

2015-02-26 Thread Geir Bentzen

I believe I have read/skimmed all the comments by now and as a European who 
has emigrated to the U.S. what strikes me as odd is the feeling I get that 
riding a bike is something special. Something you need a club for, extra 
things to buy, something a bit exotic. I believe the core of what Grant 
says is that it is not something special. It as normal as driving or 
walking down the street or taking the bus, and in fact those things can 
often be combined. My impression is that he promotes using the bike as your 
get around daily tool as much as you can, and that may mean to wear 
whatever suits the combination of your tasks, not only your bike riding. 
This is how I experienced life in Europe. But, if you go out for a ride 
that has no other tasks to it than just riding then I believe you should 
feel free to dress for the physical exercise involved. In my own case that 
means bike shorts made of lycra and other more or less bike specific attire 
as needed for the weather. I just don't see the conflict here. I have 
several bikes, but I notice that the one I grab all the time is my 
Hunqapillar, even though I own an excellent German city bike for going to 
the grocery store. So the Hunq does it all, but I may not wear the same 
clothes all the time. When younger I would often wear running shoes while 
walking around town in jeans, but I would never go for a long run wearing 
those jeans even though I still wore the same shoes. Why not adopt the same 
practical and non-ideological attitude?

On Tuesday, February 24, 2015 at 3:08:44 PM UTC-6, Jon in the foothills of 
Central Colorado wrote:

 In the new Adventure Cyclist Mag

 PETERSEN RESPONDS TO READER

 LETTER ‘UNRACING? UNCOOL’

 Racing attitudes, bikes, clothing,

 and diets have become the norm and

 normal, and are so pervasive that many

 adult cyclists, maybe even some you

 know, accept the racing standards as

 the only legitimate way to be a serious

 adult cyclist. What I tried to do in the

 book *Just Ride *— and what we do here

 at Rivendell Bicycle Works — is offer

 an alternative, a model to other adult

 cyclists that there is another way. This

 letter is not an ad for either. I’m simply

 saying where I come from and what I

 do.

 We are the mice trying to squeak

 above the roar at the base of the

 waterfall. It is no time to be wishywashy,

 but I try hard to not offend.

 Inevitably, a declarative position on

 any matter is bound to raise a few

 hackles with those who have a different

 position, but it still hurts to be judged

 by a stranger who would probably like

 me, and whom I’d surely like, in person.

 A good number of our customers are

 middle-aged and older folks trying to

 fit in some activity as they age. They

 often have the means, and they’re

 influenced by what they read and see

 that promotes racers as a good model —

 and that’s something I don’t agree with.

 They shop as innocents and come

 out of it dressed like racers and riding

 bikes that are not only inappropriate

 for the kind of riding they do, but are,

 on top of that and more egregiously, not

 comfortable. We undo that. You may

 see ego or evil behind it, but I don’t

 feel either of those. I see racing and

 racers as fringe and am simply trying

 to legitimize an alternative point of

 view, one that I feel strongly about. I’m

 trying — certainly not singlehandedly —

 to make people feel good about riding

 without dressing in pro-team gear and

 copying so many other affectations of

 the racer, and that is what Unracing and

 *Just Ride *and Rivendell Bicycle Works is

 all about. We’re nobody’s enemy. Some

 of my best friends pedal cliplessly and

 in spandex. It’s cool.

 Grant Petersen

 Walnut Creek, California


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Re: [RBW] Re: 7 the new 11

The common cycling route through the 'Stans does not go through Afghanistan
or Pakistan but rather through the mostly stable countries of Uzbekistan,
Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan and Kazakhstan, on the M41 highway.  There are lots
of touring blogs on this region on bike touring sites like
crazyguyonabike.com.

I also had a friend who cycled the route last summer in a supported tour
from Chengdu to Istanbul, including Iran even.

On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 4:48 PM, Goshen Peter uscpeter11...@gmail.com
wrote:

 From what I see in the news things are a little hot in the stans right
 now. I always dreamed of a tour of japan by bike, it just looks so
 beautiful there. Would def need the Bill special low gear for those
 mountains tho!

 On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 5:12 PM, Jim Bronson jim.bron...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 The only reason I would go 8 is if I was cycling something where I was
 going to be out of civilization for a long time like maybe riding the
 'Stans in Central Asia and wanted slightly higher perceived reliability of
 the wider chain.  I wouldn't go 7 because then you have to keep track of
 the 4.5mm spacer were you to take your cassette off the freehub.

 Actually I would love to cycle the 'Stans, especially the Pamir Highway,
 but I just don't have that sort of free time at this point in my life.

 On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 3:46 PM, cyclotour...@gmail.com 
 cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote:

 Nine works as the best modern gearing for me. I'm slowly moving eights
 over to nine, and may move my one 10 to nine at some point. I like
 standardization :)

 On Thursday, February 26, 2015 at 1:35:36 PM UTC-8, Jim Bronson wrote:

 That being said, you can get the 9 speed HG50 for about the same price
 as the 7 speed, so IMO if you are starting fresh there's really no reason
 not to go 9 speed.

 On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 3:12 PM, Steve Palincsar pali...@his.com
 wrote:

 On 02/26/2015 04:05 PM, Jim Bronson wrote:

 I like the comment The HG-50 is still made in Japan, thus the higher
 price.  $19.95-$25.95 is expensive? Seems like a great deal to me.

 I use the HG-50 9 speed 11-34s and I'm very happy with them. FWIW,
 and YMMV.


 Perhaps that's compared to the HG50s of 2 years ago, which as I recall
 were all black and looked kind of not-so-nice.   But yes, the price of 7
 spd cassettes is very reasonable, especially when you compare with 10 and
 11.



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Re: [RBW] Re: 7 the new 11

The title of that blog says it all, haha. I'm too much of a worrier for
such adventures. I'll stick with such travails as dog poop in the bike
lane, hahaha.
On Feb 26, 2015 6:05 PM, Jim Bronson jim.bron...@gmail.com wrote:

 The common cycling route through the 'Stans does not go through
 Afghanistan or Pakistan but rather through the mostly stable countries of
 Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan and Kazakhstan, on the M41 highway.
 There are lots of touring blogs on this region on bike touring sites like
 crazyguyonabike.com.

 I also had a friend who cycled the route last summer in a supported tour
 from Chengdu to Istanbul, including Iran even.

 On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 4:48 PM, Goshen Peter uscpeter11...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 From what I see in the news things are a little hot in the stans right
 now. I always dreamed of a tour of japan by bike, it just looks so
 beautiful there. Would def need the Bill special low gear for those
 mountains tho!

 On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 5:12 PM, Jim Bronson jim.bron...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 The only reason I would go 8 is if I was cycling something where I was
 going to be out of civilization for a long time like maybe riding the
 'Stans in Central Asia and wanted slightly higher perceived reliability of
 the wider chain.  I wouldn't go 7 because then you have to keep track of
 the 4.5mm spacer were you to take your cassette off the freehub.

 Actually I would love to cycle the 'Stans, especially the Pamir Highway,
 but I just don't have that sort of free time at this point in my life.

 On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 3:46 PM, cyclotour...@gmail.com 
 cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote:

 Nine works as the best modern gearing for me. I'm slowly moving
 eights over to nine, and may move my one 10 to nine at some point. I like
 standardization :)

 On Thursday, February 26, 2015 at 1:35:36 PM UTC-8, Jim Bronson wrote:

 That being said, you can get the 9 speed HG50 for about the same price
 as the 7 speed, so IMO if you are starting fresh there's really no reason
 not to go 9 speed.

 On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 3:12 PM, Steve Palincsar pali...@his.com
 wrote:

 On 02/26/2015 04:05 PM, Jim Bronson wrote:

 I like the comment The HG-50 is still made in Japan, thus the
 higher price.  $19.95-$25.95 is expensive? Seems like a great deal to 
 me.

 I use the HG-50 9 speed 11-34s and I'm very happy with them. FWIW,
 and YMMV.


 Perhaps that's compared to the HG50s of 2 years ago, which as I
 recall were all black and looked kind of not-so-nice.   But yes, the 
 price
 of 7 spd cassettes is very reasonable, especially when you compare with 
 10
 and 11.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor

Tire labels not lined up with the valve stems!??!??

DISAPPROVE

On Thursday, February 26, 2015 at 4:20:14 PM UTC-8, Pudge wrote:

  You mean like this?  
 https://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/8566366471/in/set-72157624552118742

  

  




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Re: [RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor

2015-02-26 Thread 'Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch

How about the Ibex wool jersey, Patrick? They are very, very light, ss and rear 
pockets. I've yet to have a knit jersey that I could wear two rides in a row. I 
sweat like crazy and my wool stuff doesn't smell.

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RE: [RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor

2015-02-26 Thread Doug Williams

Perfect Geir!

 

Just wear whatever works for the ride you will be doing. Exercise clothes or 
racing kit are fine if that is what you are doing. Nothing wrong with bike 
clothes for a long and/or hard ride. But bike shoes and jerseys in the grocery 
store are just…well…whatever. Again, I maintain that MANY bicyclists simply 
can’t imagine going on a “regular ride” in “regular clothes”. They miss out on 
many good rides because they simply can’t ride without their racing kit. In the 
time spent getting dressed, I could have already been at the grocery store. The 
result is that the “racing kit crowd” never ride on short errand rides, because 
it is just too much trouble to get into their uniform.

 

 

Doug

 

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[mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Geir Bentzen
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 2:24 PM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: [RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor

 

I believe I have read/skimmed all the comments by now and as a European who has 
emigrated to the U.S. what strikes me as odd is the feeling I get that riding a 
bike is something special. Something you need a club for, extra things to buy, 
something a bit exotic. I believe the core of what Grant says is that it is not 
something special. It as normal as driving or walking down the street or taking 
the bus, and in fact those things can often be combined. My impression is that 
he promotes using the bike as your get around daily tool as much as you can, 
and that may mean to wear whatever suits the combination of your tasks, not 
only your bike riding. This is how I experienced life in Europe. But, if you go 
out for a ride that has no other tasks to it than just riding then I believe 
you should feel free to dress for the physical exercise involved. In my own 
case that means bike shorts made of lycra and other more or less bike specific 
attire as needed for the weather. I just don't see the conflict here. I have 
several bikes, but I notice that the one I grab all the time is my Hunqapillar, 
even though I own an excellent German city bike for going to the grocery store. 
So the Hunq does it all, but I may not wear the same clothes all the time. When 
younger I would often wear running shoes while walking around town in jeans, 
but I would never go for a long run wearing those jeans even though I still 
wore the same shoes. Why not adopt the same practical and non-ideological 
attitude?

On Tuesday, February 24, 2015 at 3:08:44 PM UTC-6, Jon in the foothills of 
Central Colorado wrote:

In the new Adventure Cyclist Mag

PETERSEN RESPONDS TO READER

LETTER ‘UNRACING? UNCOOL’

Racing attitudes, bikes, clothing,

and diets have become the norm and

normal, and are so pervasive that many

adult cyclists, maybe even some you

know, accept the racing standards as

the only legitimate way to be a serious

adult cyclist. What I tried to do in the

book Just Ride — and what we do here

at Rivendell Bicycle Works — is offer

an alternative, a model to other adult

cyclists that there is another way. This

letter is not an ad for either. I’m simply

saying where I come from and what I

do.

We are the mice trying to squeak

above the roar at the base of the

waterfall. It is no time to be wishywashy,

but I try hard to not offend.

Inevitably, a declarative position on

any matter is bound to raise a few

hackles with those who have a different

position, but it still hurts to be judged

by a stranger who would probably like

me, and whom I’d surely like, in person.

A good number of our customers are

middle-aged and older folks trying to

fit in some activity as they age. They

often have the means, and they’re

influenced by what they read and see

that promotes racers as a good model —

and that’s something I don’t agree with.

They shop as innocents and come

out of it dressed like racers and riding

bikes that are not only inappropriate

for the kind of riding they do, but are,

on top of that and more egregiously, not

comfortable. We undo that. You may

see ego or evil behind it, but I don’t

feel either of those. I see racing and

racers as fringe and am simply trying

to legitimize an alternative point of

view, one that I feel strongly about. I’m

trying — certainly not singlehandedly —

to make people feel good about riding

without dressing in pro-team gear and

copying so many other affectations of

the racer, and that is what Unracing and

Just Ride and Rivendell Bicycle Works is

all about. We’re nobody’s enemy. Some

of my best friends pedal cliplessly and

in spandex. It’s cool.

Grant Petersen

Walnut Creek, California

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Re: [RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor

The best comment on the subject yet 

On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 3:23 PM, Geir Bentzen geirbent...@gmail.com wrote:

 I believe I have read/skimmed all the comments by now and as a European
 who has emigrated to the U.S. what strikes me as odd is the feeling I get
 that riding a bike is something special. Something you need a club for,
 extra things to buy, something a bit exotic. I believe the core of what
 Grant says is that it is not something special. It as normal as driving or
 walking down the street or taking the bus, and in fact those things can
 often be combined. My impression is that he promotes using the bike as your
 get around daily tool as much as you can, and that may mean to wear
 whatever suits the combination of your tasks, not only your bike riding.
 This is how I experienced life in Europe. But, if you go out for a ride
 that has no other tasks to it than just riding then I believe you should
 feel free to dress for the physical exercise involved. In my own case that
 means bike shorts made of lycra and other more or less bike specific attire
 as needed for the weather. I just don't see the conflict here. I have
 several bikes, but I notice that the one I grab all the time is my
 Hunqapillar, even though I own an excellent German city bike for going to
 the grocery store. So the Hunq does it all, but I may not wear the same
 clothes all the time. When younger I would often wear running shoes while
 walking around town in jeans, but I would never go for a long run wearing
 those jeans even though I still wore the same shoes. Why not adopt the same
 practical and non-ideological attitude?

 On Tuesday, February 24, 2015 at 3:08:44 PM UTC-6, Jon in the foothills of
 Central Colorado wrote:

 In the new Adventure Cyclist Mag

 PETERSEN RESPONDS TO READER

 LETTER ‘UNRACING? UNCOOL’

 Racing attitudes, bikes, clothing,

 and diets have become the norm and

 normal, and are so pervasive that many

 adult cyclists, maybe even some you

 know, accept the racing standards as

 the only legitimate way to be a serious

 adult cyclist. What I tried to do in the

 book *Just Ride *— and what we do here

 at Rivendell Bicycle Works — is offer

 an alternative, a model to other adult

 cyclists that there is another way. This

 letter is not an ad for either. I’m simply

 saying where I come from and what I

 do.

 We are the mice trying to squeak

 above the roar at the base of the

 waterfall. It is no time to be wishywashy,

 but I try hard to not offend.

 Inevitably, a declarative position on

 any matter is bound to raise a few

 hackles with those who have a different

 position, but it still hurts to be judged

 by a stranger who would probably like

 me, and whom I’d surely like, in person.

 A good number of our customers are

 middle-aged and older folks trying to

 fit in some activity as they age. They

 often have the means, and they’re

 influenced by what they read and see

 that promotes racers as a good model —

 and that’s something I don’t agree with.

 They shop as innocents and come

 out of it dressed like racers and riding

 bikes that are not only inappropriate

 for the kind of riding they do, but are,

 on top of that and more egregiously, not

 comfortable. We undo that. You may

 see ego or evil behind it, but I don’t

 feel either of those. I see racing and

 racers as fringe and am simply trying

 to legitimize an alternative point of

 view, one that I feel strongly about. I’m

 trying — certainly not singlehandedly —

 to make people feel good about riding

 without dressing in pro-team gear and

 copying so many other affectations of

 the racer, and that is what Unracing and

 *Just Ride *and Rivendell Bicycle Works is

 all about. We’re nobody’s enemy. Some

 of my best friends pedal cliplessly and

 in spandex. It’s cool.

 Grant Petersen

 Walnut Creek, California

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Re: [RBW] Re: 7 the new 11

From what I see in the news things are a little hot in the stans right
now. I always dreamed of a tour of japan by bike, it just looks so
beautiful there. Would def need the Bill special low gear for those
mountains tho!

On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 5:12 PM, Jim Bronson jim.bron...@gmail.com wrote:

 The only reason I would go 8 is if I was cycling something where I was
 going to be out of civilization for a long time like maybe riding the
 'Stans in Central Asia and wanted slightly higher perceived reliability of
 the wider chain.  I wouldn't go 7 because then you have to keep track of
 the 4.5mm spacer were you to take your cassette off the freehub.

 Actually I would love to cycle the 'Stans, especially the Pamir Highway,
 but I just don't have that sort of free time at this point in my life.

 On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 3:46 PM, cyclotour...@gmail.com 
 cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote:

 Nine works as the best modern gearing for me. I'm slowly moving eights
 over to nine, and may move my one 10 to nine at some point. I like
 standardization :)

 On Thursday, February 26, 2015 at 1:35:36 PM UTC-8, Jim Bronson wrote:

 That being said, you can get the 9 speed HG50 for about the same price
 as the 7 speed, so IMO if you are starting fresh there's really no reason
 not to go 9 speed.

 On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 3:12 PM, Steve Palincsar pali...@his.com
 wrote:

 On 02/26/2015 04:05 PM, Jim Bronson wrote:

 I like the comment The HG-50 is still made in Japan, thus the higher
 price.  $19.95-$25.95 is expensive? Seems like a great deal to me.

 I use the HG-50 9 speed 11-34s and I'm very happy with them. FWIW, and
 YMMV.


 Perhaps that's compared to the HG50s of 2 years ago, which as I recall
 were all black and looked kind of not-so-nice.   But yes, the price of 7
 spd cassettes is very reasonable, especially when you compare with 10 and
 11.



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2015-02-26 Thread ascpgh

It's odd, no spandex hamsters riding now. I guess riding across the minus 
whatever, snow and ice covered darkness on studded tires with fenders 
generator hubs and lights isn't their magazine ad.

Andy Cheatham 
Pittsburgh

On Thursday, February 26, 2015 at 9:54:30 AM UTC-5, Marc Irwin wrote:

 This reminds me of the first charity ride I did on my Hillborne (with 
 Bosco Bars).  A rider came up beside me, asked about the bike, then asked 
 why anybody would want a bike like that?  I said,  I can take this to the 
 grocery store, ride a metric century comfortably, or take a trip over the 
 Himalayas.  What can you do with that? (pointing to his crabon crotch 
 rocket).  He just shook his head and rode away.   I passed he and his crew 
 of spandex hamsters after the second rest stop.  They tend to start loosing 
 it at 30 miles.  One of these days I'm going to do one in a pair of cutoffs 
 (diamond gusset), a nascar t shirt and Cubs batting helmet just for fun.  I 
 might even roll a pack of Winstons up in my sleeve for good measure.

 Marc

 On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 12:56:19 PM UTC-5, Anne Paulson wrote:



 On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 5:38 AM, Addison Wilhite addison...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

 I kind of feel like the revolution is over and we won.  Anymore, while I 
 can certainly find the carbon roadie types, they aren't living in the 
 niche.  Just like the extreme downhillers or whatever they are called.  I 
 just don't see a lot of riders so focused on 25mm tires that don't also 
 accept the benefits of a fatter tire  


 Not true where I am in Silicon Valley . If I show up at the start of one 
 of my (touring) club's rides, a ride meant for people riding a moderate 
 pace, and I see twenty other riders, there will be one steel bike, and I'll 
 be riding it. There will be no bikes that take tires wider than 28 mm, 
 other than my Roadeo. Typically riders have 25 mm tires pumped up rock 
 hard.  Everyone will have lycra shorts including me (haven't found anything 
 else that works for me) and everyone else will be wearing roadie jerseys 
 with sublimated graphics.

 There's one club ride I go on, an easy-paced ride that I do for 
 camaraderie. Most of the riders are like me, over 50, in a lot of cases 
 well over 50. But there is one young woman who shows up on an old 
 Stumpjumper with flat bars, wearing street clothes. Although she has no 
 trouble keeping up, and she has a fine bike, almost every time she has 
 shown up at a ride I'm on someone will explain to her that her bike is 
 wrong and she needs a different one.

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[RBW] FS: (5) King Cage Standard as a lot

All in good condition with scuff marks you’d expect from bikepacking, dirt 
road, and single track riding. Not noticeable unless you are within inches.

$55 including shipping CONUS. Please contact off list. Thanks! 

With abandon,
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Re: [RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor

Bazinga!

On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 7:25 PM, Bill Lindsay tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:

 Tire labels not lined up with the valve stems!??!??

 DISAPPROVE

 On Thursday, February 26, 2015 at 4:20:14 PM UTC-8, Pudge wrote:

  You mean like this?  https://www.flickr.com/photos/
 37542512@N04/8566366471/in/set-72157624552118742






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Re: [RBW] Stuff hanging on that front brake bolt on Homer on the RBW intro page...

2015-02-26 Thread Chris Chen

Just ride.

I have to say, you may not *need* a fender bolt, but it's nice not to futz
with the brakes every time you want to remove your fenders.

On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 4:08 PM, lungimsam john11.2...@gmail.com wrote:

 Looks like they have the front end set up like this:

 1. Brake, then nut thingy,  2. the rack tab, then 3. the fender tab, then
 4. the washer/spacer knurled thingy, all up against the fork crown, and
 then the brake bolt nut from the back.

 So no need for a Sheldon nut for the fender tab.
 You can run the attachments safely all this way along the brake bolt. I
 was wondering how much stuff is too much to be hanging off the front end of
 the fork crown, but I guess this means its perfectly fine to do so.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor

2015-02-26 Thread Mike Schiller

now that looks like a hella lota fun.  Although I'd probably get the new 
Salsa Warbird... carbon bike that fits 45mm tires.  Seems like most of  my 
fun rides these days are like that ( a bit slower and drier though) and 
there should be beer at the  end too!

~mike
Carlsbad Ca.

On Thursday, February 26, 2015 at 2:55:23 PM UTC-8, Mark Reimer wrote:

 Oh I wouldn't be so sure about that...

 http://theradavist.com/2015/02/santa-cruz-stigmata-cross-video/




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[RBW] Re: Klean Kanteen Conversion Questons

2015-02-26 Thread Peter Adler

I have no experience riding with Thermos-y bottle,s but I have a lot of
experience riding with Thermos-y travel mugs, which seem like a relevant
addition to this thread.

My go-to riding around with hot coffee mug is the OXO Good Grips
LiquiSeal Travel Mug: Double-walled stainless steel, 14oz, silicone seals
to prevent spillage, and a sealed plastic top where the sipping hole
opens/closes by clicking a button. The mug fits perfectly into the
handlebar-mounted mug holder rings that are readily available (the cheaper
single-wall version of this mug was packaged by SOMA as the Morning Rush
Coffee Mug/Bike Holder before everyone and his brother started selling the
handlebar brackets; SOMA now limits themselves to just the mounting ring,
which will clip into the common Cateye mounting clip). $20 full retail.

http://www.amazon.com/OXO-Grips-LiquiSeal-Travel-Stainless/dp/B0001YH1LG%3Fpsc%3D1%26SubscriptionId%3DAKIAILSHYYTFIVPWUY6Q%26tag%3Dduckduckgo-d-20%26linkCode%3Dxm2%26camp%3D2025%26creative%3D165953%26creativeASIN%3DB0001YH1LG

If you're doing something long-range enough to require brewing your own
coffee, the Bodum line of 15oz French-press travel mugs also fit the common
cup holders. The idea is, the mug is its own French press, with a
filter/plunger. You brew in the mug, plunge the grounds to the bottom, then
drink the coffee on top. The top doesn't have the slick locking mechanism
that the OXO does, because the plunger takes up all the space. Both the
plastic and stainless models are double-walled for insulation, but really:
Why would you go on the road with plastic, when you could have steel? These
run $20-$30, depending on the model.

http://www.amazon.com/s?ie=UTF8page=1rh=i%3Aaps%2Ck%3Abodum%20travel%20press

The one key drawback I've found to the Bodum mugs is that the plunger shaft
really isn't long enough to do a full extraction of the grounds, unless
you've got a huge amount of grounds in it. The plastic top of the steel
plunger fits under a flip-tab when you open up the sipping hole, so the
shaft may have been shortened to accommodate that. I suppose that if I had
a plastic mug instead of stainless, it would be easier to see if I had
enough grounds to solve the problem. I've thought of having a machine shop
make me a threaded shaft 1-2cm longer, to see if I get better results; the
risk is poking out my eye.

For grinding, Hario makes a variety of smaller packable manual grinders.

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_sc_0_19?url=search-alias%3Dapsfield-keywords=hario+coffee+grindersprefix=hair+coffee+grinder%2Caps%2C215rh=i%3Aaps%2Ck%3Ahario+coffee+grinder

Peter I'm a mess if I don't get that coffee in my system Adler
Berkeley, CA/USA

On Thursday, February 26, 2015 at 9:00:03 AM UTC-8, john elliott wrote:

I've never cooked with one of these bottles, but if I make a coffee and
fill my insulated bottle up to the top and seal it, I have good luck with
it being hot for a long time. At least 8 hours, and if you don't drink
half of it, I think it lasts longer. It would be at least warm the next
morning.

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Re: [RBW] Re: 7 the new 11

The only reason I would go 8 is if I was cycling something where I was
going to be out of civilization for a long time like maybe riding the
'Stans in Central Asia and wanted slightly higher perceived reliability of
the wider chain.  I wouldn't go 7 because then you have to keep track of
the 4.5mm spacer were you to take your cassette off the freehub.

Actually I would love to cycle the 'Stans, especially the Pamir Highway,
but I just don't have that sort of free time at this point in my life.

On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 3:46 PM, cyclotour...@gmail.com 
cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote:

 Nine works as the best modern gearing for me. I'm slowly moving eights
 over to nine, and may move my one 10 to nine at some point. I like
 standardization :)

 On Thursday, February 26, 2015 at 1:35:36 PM UTC-8, Jim Bronson wrote:

 That being said, you can get the 9 speed HG50 for about the same price as
 the 7 speed, so IMO if you are starting fresh there's really no reason not
 to go 9 speed.

 On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 3:12 PM, Steve Palincsar pali...@his.com wrote:

 On 02/26/2015 04:05 PM, Jim Bronson wrote:

 I like the comment The HG-50 is still made in Japan, thus the higher
 price.  $19.95-$25.95 is expensive? Seems like a great deal to me.

 I use the HG-50 9 speed 11-34s and I'm very happy with them. FWIW, and
 YMMV.


 Perhaps that's compared to the HG50s of 2 years ago, which as I recall
 were all black and looked kind of not-so-nice.   But yes, the price of 7
 spd cassettes is very reasonable, especially when you compare with 10 and
 11.



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Re: [RBW] Re: 7 the new 11

There are plenty of blogs from all regions of the world on CGOAB, I
wouldn't get caught up in the title.  It's a great resource and you will
find many blogs with people riding an Atlantis somewhere.

On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 5:07 PM, Goshen Peter uscpeter11...@gmail.com
wrote:

 The title of that blog says it all, haha. I'm too much of a worrier for
 such adventures. I'll stick with such travails as dog poop in the bike
 lane, hahaha.
 On Feb 26, 2015 6:05 PM, Jim Bronson jim.bron...@gmail.com wrote:

 The common cycling route through the 'Stans does not go through
 Afghanistan or Pakistan but rather through the mostly stable countries of
 Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan and Kazakhstan, on the M41 highway.
 There are lots of touring blogs on this region on bike touring sites like
 crazyguyonabike.com.

 I also had a friend who cycled the route last summer in a supported tour
 from Chengdu to Istanbul, including Iran even.

 On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 4:48 PM, Goshen Peter uscpeter11...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 From what I see in the news things are a little hot in the stans right
 now. I always dreamed of a tour of japan by bike, it just looks so
 beautiful there. Would def need the Bill special low gear for those
 mountains tho!

 On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 5:12 PM, Jim Bronson jim.bron...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 The only reason I would go 8 is if I was cycling something where I was
 going to be out of civilization for a long time like maybe riding the
 'Stans in Central Asia and wanted slightly higher perceived reliability of
 the wider chain.  I wouldn't go 7 because then you have to keep track of
 the 4.5mm spacer were you to take your cassette off the freehub.

 Actually I would love to cycle the 'Stans, especially the Pamir
 Highway, but I just don't have that sort of free time at this point in my
 life.

 On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 3:46 PM, cyclotour...@gmail.com 
 cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote:

 Nine works as the best modern gearing for me. I'm slowly moving
 eights over to nine, and may move my one 10 to nine at some point. I like
 standardization :)

 On Thursday, February 26, 2015 at 1:35:36 PM UTC-8, Jim Bronson wrote:

 That being said, you can get the 9 speed HG50 for about the same
 price as the 7 speed, so IMO if you are starting fresh there's really no
 reason not to go 9 speed.

 On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 3:12 PM, Steve Palincsar pali...@his.com
 wrote:

 On 02/26/2015 04:05 PM, Jim Bronson wrote:

 I like the comment The HG-50 is still made in Japan, thus the
 higher price.  $19.95-$25.95 is expensive? Seems like a great deal to 
 me.

 I use the HG-50 9 speed 11-34s and I'm very happy with them. FWIW,
 and YMMV.


 Perhaps that's compared to the HG50s of 2 years ago, which as I
 recall were all black and looked kind of not-so-nice.   But yes, the 
 price
 of 7 spd cassettes is very reasonable, especially when you compare with 
 10
 and 11.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor

That snow looks to be about 28˚F or warmer. That's only minus whatever in 
C. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Thursday, February 26, 2015 at 3:55:23 PM UTC-7, Mark Reimer wrote:

 Oh I wouldn't be so sure about that...

 http://theradavist.com/2015/02/santa-cruz-stigmata-cross-video/

 On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 4:53 PM, ascpgh asc...@gmail.com javascript: 
 wrote:

 It's odd, no spandex hamsters riding now. I guess riding across the minus 
 whatever, snow and ice covered darkness on studded tires with fenders 
 generator hubs and lights isn't their magazine ad.

 Andy Cheatham 
 Pittsburgh


 On Thursday, February 26, 2015 at 9:54:30 AM UTC-5, Marc Irwin wrote:

 This reminds me of the first charity ride I did on my Hillborne (with 
 Bosco Bars).  A rider came up beside me, asked about the bike, then asked 
 why anybody would want a bike like that?  I said,  I can take this to the 
 grocery store, ride a metric century comfortably, or take a trip over the 
 Himalayas.  What can you do with that? (pointing to his crabon crotch 
 rocket).  He just shook his head and rode away.   I passed he and his crew 
 of spandex hamsters after the second rest stop.  They tend to start loosing 
 it at 30 miles.  One of these days I'm going to do one in a pair of cutoffs 
 (diamond gusset), a nascar t shirt and Cubs batting helmet just for fun.  I 
 might even roll a pack of Winstons up in my sleeve for good measure.

 Marc

 On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 12:56:19 PM UTC-5, Anne Paulson wrote:



 On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 5:38 AM, Addison Wilhite addison...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

 I kind of feel like the revolution is over and we won.  Anymore, while 
 I can certainly find the carbon roadie types, they aren't living in the 
 niche.  Just like the extreme downhillers or whatever they are called.  
 I 
 just don't see a lot of riders so focused on 25mm tires that don't also 
 accept the benefits of a fatter tire  


 Not true where I am in Silicon Valley . If I show up at the start of 
 one of my (touring) club's rides, a ride meant for people riding a 
 moderate 
 pace, and I see twenty other riders, there will be one steel bike, and 
 I'll 
 be riding it. There will be no bikes that take tires wider than 28 mm, 
 other than my Roadeo. Typically riders have 25 mm tires pumped up rock 
 hard.  Everyone will have lycra shorts including me (haven't found 
 anything 
 else that works for me) and everyone else will be wearing roadie jerseys 
 with sublimated graphics.

 There's one club ride I go on, an easy-paced ride that I do for 
 camaraderie. Most of the riders are like me, over 50, in a lot of cases 
 well over 50. But there is one young woman who shows up on an old 
 Stumpjumper with flat bars, wearing street clothes. Although she has no 
 trouble keeping up, and she has a fine bike, almost every time she has 
 shown up at a ride I'm on someone will explain to her that her bike is 
 wrong and she needs a different one.

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 It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride.
  
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Re: [RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor

Oh, I know they're babies. That video didn't fool me. 



 On Feb 26, 2015, at 5:26 PM, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote:
 
 That snow looks to be about 28˚F or warmer. That's only minus whatever in C. 
 Grin.
 
 With abandon,
 Patrick
 
 On Thursday, February 26, 2015 at 3:55:23 PM UTC-7, Mark Reimer wrote:
 Oh I wouldn't be so sure about that...
 
 http://theradavist.com/2015/02/santa-cruz-stigmata-cross-video/
 
 On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 4:53 PM, ascpgh asc...@gmail.com wrote:
 It's odd, no spandex hamsters riding now. I guess riding across the minus 
 whatever, snow and ice covered darkness on studded tires with fenders 
 generator hubs and lights isn't their magazine ad.
 
 Andy Cheatham 
 Pittsburgh
 
 
 On Thursday, February 26, 2015 at 9:54:30 AM UTC-5, Marc Irwin wrote:
 This reminds me of the first charity ride I did on my Hillborne (with 
 Bosco Bars).  A rider came up beside me, asked about the bike, then asked 
 why anybody would want a bike like that?  I said,  I can take this to the 
 grocery store, ride a metric century comfortably, or take a trip over the 
 Himalayas.  What can you do with that? (pointing to his crabon crotch 
 rocket).  He just shook his head and rode away.   I passed he and his crew 
 of spandex hamsters after the second rest stop.  They tend to start 
 loosing it at 30 miles.  One of these days I'm going to do one in a pair 
 of cutoffs (diamond gusset), a nascar t shirt and Cubs batting helmet just 
 for fun.  I might even roll a pack of Winstons up in my sleeve for good 
 measure.
 
 Marc
 
 On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 12:56:19 PM UTC-5, Anne Paulson wrote:
 
 
 On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 5:38 AM, Addison Wilhite addison...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 I kind of feel like the revolution is over and we won.  Anymore, while I 
 can certainly find the carbon roadie types, they aren't living in the 
 niche.  Just like the extreme downhillers or whatever they are called. 
  I just don't see a lot of riders so focused on 25mm tires that don't 
 also accept the benefits of a fatter tire  
 
 Not true where I am in Silicon Valley . If I show up at the start of one 
 of my (touring) club's rides, a ride meant for people riding a moderate 
 pace, and I see twenty other riders, there will be one steel bike, and 
 I'll be riding it. There will be no bikes that take tires wider than 28 
 mm, other than my Roadeo. Typically riders have 25 mm tires pumped up 
 rock hard.  Everyone will have lycra shorts including me (haven't found 
 anything else that works for me) and everyone else will be wearing roadie 
 jerseys with sublimated graphics.
 
 There's one club ride I go on, an easy-paced ride that I do for 
 camaraderie. Most of the riders are like me, over 50, in a lot of cases 
 well over 50. But there is one young woman who shows up on an old 
 Stumpjumper with flat bars, wearing street clothes. Although she has no 
 trouble keeping up, and she has a fine bike, almost every time she has 
 shown up at a ride I'm on someone will explain to her that her bike is 
 wrong and she needs a different one.
 
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[RBW] Re: FS: (5) King Cage Standard as a lot

Cages are sold. Thank you for looking!

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Re: [RBW] FS: (5) King Cage Standard as a lot

2015-02-26 Thread cyclotourist

Love those Iris cages. I think they are one of the best bike parts out
there.

On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 5:38 PM, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote:

 The new ones from Riv arrived today, got mounted and tested and passed
 with flying colors!

 With abandon,
 Patrick

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 This must mean you were successful in your King Iris acquisitions!

 On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 4:58 PM, Curtis McKenzie cmc...@gmail.com
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 Oh the joy!  Sorry to have missed them.


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 Cages are sold. Thank you for looking!

 With abandon,
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[RBW] Re: Klean Kanteen Conversion Questons