Re: CS>Silver Puppy "ppm" numbers
that's a question everyone struggles with however I have come to an understanding after much deliberating and research... For CS I treat the us figure as the actual PPM. So if you are getting 14us, I would take that as 14ppm. this would show on your meter as 7ppm. I do brew the CS to around 30us sometimes, but to be honest it hits a wall around there, and I do not think its the best stuff. I would keep it to around 12-20us (6-10 ppm). Regards. From: Jerry Durand Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2015 7:58 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CS>Silver Puppy "ppm" numbers I had someone ask me for the "ppm" number if I run the Silver Puppy way into overtime like 12 hours or so. I know that almost all people are reading the ppm number off a tds meter that's calibrated for table salt, getting people to understand calibration is a losing battle. I just picked up a batch that's been sitting around for a while and it reads 14 uSeimens, so for that batch what should I tell them? Or do I just do like the eBay marketers and make up a number? "It's 42000 ppm, it's REALLY good stuff!" :) -- Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc. www.interstellar.com tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886
Re: CSDistilled/Demin/Deionised/RO water?
I've only been successful with double distilled in the UK Demin and ro not worked at all On 9 Apr 2015 00:11, Neville one.red...@hotmail.com wrote: I know nothing about making EIS using Demin, RO or Deionised water, but a person in the UK wants to make some EIS. Apparently the only water available in the UK are those mentioned above, is it OK to use this water for making EIS? I would be thinking it's OK, it will just take longer to brew a batch perhaps. I don't think a home distiller is an option here either. Thanks N.
Re: CSAC voltage
Hi John How's about using a lower frequency which will give the ions a chance to escape before they go back to whence they came! Cheers On 3 Mar 2015 17:04, John Popelish jpopel...@gmail.com wrote: On 03/03/2015 11:13 AM, Reece Maxey wrote: Has anyone used a low, ie 25 volts, AC power source for a CS generator? Any ideas about posslble success if using? Seems to me it would compare with the swapping DC method. Thanks. Opa The experimental circuit, I am working with, has an optional mode that averages almost zero volts (voltage times time, in one direction is almost balanced by voltage times time, in the other direction, about 100 times per second) though the voltages are very unsymmetrical. (low voltage in one direction, for a longer time, followed by higher voltage for a much shorter time, in the other direction). But even this approximation of pure AC really slows the production of silver ions in the water. It takes a week to produce a quart of silver water, instead of a day, when the reverse voltage is blocked. Evidently, if you reverse the voltage faster than the silver can get away from the anode, most of the ions just turn around and go back to where they came from, each cycle. I suspect, if the solution is being well stirred, the reversals could come faster without the production rate going down so severely. But I am guessing. By the way, the mode with rapid reversals does keep the electrodes much cleaner than the unidirectional pulse mode does. So, if I can figure out how to speed it up, its lower electrical efficiency may be worth while. -- Regards, John Popelish -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSVitamin C - Wow!
what about liposomal vit C??? Can anyone report on that? Cheers, Asif. From: Roger Barker Sent: Monday, January 26, 2015 5:27 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSVitamin C - Wow! Hi Walter, lovely to hear from you and to read of your success. Talking of ascorbic acid I find it helps the old stomach if I follow this mix. 1 teaspoon of ascorbic acid. 1/2 teaspoon of baking soda. Add half a glass of water and wait for the bubble to subside then down the hatch - this mix is a lot easier on the stomach. Very best wishes, Roger B NZ On 26/01/2015, at 6:08 PM, Walter Anderson wrote: Roger B, thanks for that link a while back to a YouTube video regarding Vitamin C. I had no idea what ascorbic acid could do, but after researching it quite a bit, we ordered a bunch from www.tradeingredients.com in Great Britain (better deal than we could find here, even after shipping) and tried taking it to “bowel” tolerance as suggested by those who’ve worked a lot with it. Wow, is it ever effective at nearly eliminating cold/flu symptoms—in minutes. While fighting the flu that everyone around here seems to have, we’ve taken 1/8-1/2c CS in the morning (helped a lot on its own once we started doing this, but not quite so dramatically quickly as ascorbic acid), and then follow up 30 minutes later with ascorbic acid powder mixed with water and chased with more water to wash it off the teethe. We repeat the ascorbic acid every three hours for five doses over the course of the day—for us ~30g seems to be about what our bodies want at the moment—would hate to pop 30-120 typical vitamin C pills to get the same amount! We also take smaller amounts of CS now and then, but try to keep it separate from the ascorbic acid. Kids ask for the ascorbic acid now as they feel so much better (back to their usual bouncing off the ceiling selves) with it :) Thanks again for the link. I thought I’d pass our experience so far on in case it is helpful to anyone else. Walter
Re: CSStorage of CS
I recommend borosilicate glass for brewing And brown cough medicine bottles for storage.. From the chemist/pharmacy.. They are around a dollar for 500ml Cheers On 28 Nov 2014 01:47, Reece Maxey ozarko...@att.net wrote: Is the object to keep the glasses air-tight or simply covered? Sent from my iPad On Nov 27, 2014, at 7:23 PM, Dan Nave bhangcha...@gmail.com wrote: Report back here on your results... On Thu, Nov 27, 2014 at 7:22 PM, Dan Nave bhangcha...@gmail.com wrote: Put milk in two identical glasses. Mix a teaspoon to tablespoon of CS into one of the glasses. Cover both with a coffee filter or something like that. Leave out on the kitchen counter. See which one spoils sooner... Dan On Thu, Nov 27, 2014 at 7:01 PM, Reece Maxey ozarko...@att.net wrote: I would have to buy some beer to try what you say, ode! I'll take you at your word. I do have questions, but would take up to much time/space to discuss. On another tack, my grandson wants scientific proof colloidal silver works. Got any good sources? Reece Sent from my iPad On Nov 27, 2014, at 11:27 AM, Ode Coyote odecoy...@silverpuppy.com wrote: Be aware that glass is not 'waterproof' and may leave residues impregnating the glass that will leach out over time and contaminate your EIS. ..just try and get the stink out of an old beer bottle ? Boil the glass in distilled water to pre-leach contaminants. Ode On 11/27/2014 12:13 PM, Reece Maxey wrote: Thanks Ode. I will use only silver and water, and try to find a glass gallon jug such as used for cider years ago. Sent from my iPad On Nov 27, 2014, at 11:03 AM, Ode Coyote odecoy...@silverpuppy.com wrote: On 11/26/2014 7:13 PM, Reece Maxey wrote: I hope to begin producing my own CS soon. I would appreciate advice on the following as pertains to storage: container material; exposure to light; ambient temperature and anything else of importance. If made using only silver and water, there is no limitations as to light exposure. Air exposure can eventually oxidize some of the ionic content and turn it yellow..bottles are better than jars as the narrow neck limits surface area exposed to the air. A various assortment of AC/DC converters can be found at Thrift stores; some might be suit- able for a CS generator with observing safety in mind. Many computer speaker systems have adapters with 18-20 volt DC output. Would take longer than the 3 nine volt battery setup, but should be successful. Voltage is nearly irrelevant...current and current density on the electrodes is what is important. Voltage is a function of current across a conductive medium. That's 3 inter-related and changing factors to consider, control and monitor. Constant voltage is a set up for 'runaway' current and the higher the voltage the faster it'll run away...which makes high concentration zones at the electrode surface and in the water between the electrodes where large particles and oxides form...and makes it impossible to tell how strong you made it. To make EIS fast and still be predictable takes VERY large electrodes to keep the current density spread out. ONE nine volt battery would be preferable...even 1 or 2 AA batteries. Ode Sent from my iPad -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=subscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com
Re: CSStorage of CS
I wouldn't go higher to be honest... That's nearly as good as it gets... 10 ppm is good enough for anyone On 28 Nov 2014 00:42, Reece Maxey ozarko...@att.net wrote: I'll be shooting for 10 ppm to start with. I don't want to invest much until I see some results from use. Reece Sent from my iPad On Nov 27, 2014, at 4:18 PM, sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com wrote: Reece Maxey wrote: Thanks sol. I've seen comments that CS would degrade if exposed to light. I will probably keep It in pantry. Reece I think CS only changes in light if it is unstable. To me that means CS with a LOT of particles or large particles or some contamination or other. Mainly that problem would be particles agglomerating (think that is the right term) to where they are too large to stay suspended and drop out of solution and/or the CS might turn color. My CS here stays completely water clear. No silver dropping out of solution either. sol --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMixing CS with CC
anyone know how to make the CC or CZ? thanks. From: Sam L. Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2014 2:36 AM To: silver-list Subject: CSMixing CS with CC Has anyone mixed cs with colloidal copper? I was thinking about adding 30 ml CC to a 300 ml CS. I remember Ode talking about this a long time ago but I cant remember exactly what was said. I have had great results when making a gel with this mixture. Also, Any input on making colloidal zinc out of penny's? Good to see Ode and the regulars still here. Uncleben, long time no see, it must of been one of those yahoo groups a long time ago. Good to see you. tia -- A government big enough to give you everything you want will take everything you have.
Re: CS Trace minerals
Hi Is the type and form of fluoride a factor or is any fluoride bad for those with thyroid problems undergoing iodine therapy. Is this true for regular folk who are NOT undergoing thyroid issues. also anyone know the type and form of fluoride in hamalayan salt... calcium fluoride??... Cheers. From: phoenix23002 tds.net Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 8:53 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS Trace minerals Not to put a damper on anyone's enthusiasm for Himalayan salt which I used for several years, it supposedly contains fluoride. I have a thyroid condition and started using iodine therapy. Fluoride is a member of the chemical family of halides which competes for the same cell receptor sites as iodine (also a member of this chemical 'family') so had to find another healthy salt. Just a heads up. Lola H. On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 11:47 PM, Victor Cozzetto victor.cozze...@gmail.com wrote: I too recommend the pink Himalayan salt. If your sea salt does not have some color, then it is probably not as healthy as you think. Victor On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 10:23 AM, TJ Garland ironguard...@gmail.com wrote: I like himalayan salt There is no crueler tyranny than that which is perpetuated under the shield of law and in the name of justice. —Charles de Montesquieu On Oct 20, 2014, at 6:11 PM, Harold har...@telus.net wrote: Re ASLraVens’ query re source of minerals; I use ConcenTrace,trace minerals from Trace Minerals Research.Their site is, www.traceminerals.com. Roy,Utah. But I order the product from iherb,$24.14 ,for 8 Fluid ounces,[low sodium]. Am satisfied with same. Harold
Re: CSHimalayan salt
They don't put the Fluoride in , I think its inherently part of the 'mix' which is called Himalayan salt. http://www.saltnews.com/chemical-analysis-natural-himalayan-pink-salt/ -Original Message- From: Dee Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 11:00 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSHimalayan salt I've never heard of Himalayan salt containing fluoride! It is the healthiest natural salt of all so why would they put fluoride in it? Dee Sent from my iPad -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=subscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSNew Generator choice of three?
Hi I have favoured cooler temps and no starter liquid for the reason that higher water resistance will produce more ions let me know your thoughts... cheers. Asif. -Original Message- From: John Popelish Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 11:51 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSNew Generator choice of three? On 09/30/2014 06:26 PM, Victor Cozzetto wrote: I prefer a thermal stirrer, as it speeds up production by adding some warmth. This is very significant if you are not in a temperature controlled environment; such as an empty house in winter that does not keep the heat running. I even use a warmer bulb in winter. (snip) This brings up another question (sorry for stepping on your topic) that has been bouncing around in my mind for a while. Has anyone investigated how the proportions of ionic to colloidal silver (or the size of the colloidal clusters) varies as the temperature of the water is changed, for any given generator source and electrode configuration? I know that the rate of production goes up as the temperature rises, because warm water is more electrically conductive. But I haven't seen any reference about the quality, versus temperature. I may have to do some controlled experiments, comparing batches made in the refrigerator (say, 35F), at room temperature, and in a makeshift oven, somewhere below boiling. Those three points might make a nice trend line, if I can quantify the results. If anyone wants to dive into this, perhaps we should use a new thread. Feel free to paste any of my text into that. -- Regards, John Popelish -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSNew Generator choice of three?
I raise my chances of having a high ionic brew by having a low current and avoiding brewing under a full moon :) -Original Message- From: John Popelish Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2014 1:13 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSNew Generator choice of three? On 09/30/2014 07:53 PM, Asif Nathekar wrote: Hi I have favoured cooler temps and no starter liquid for the reason that higher water resistance will produce more ions let me know your thoughts... I have only color or blue laser scatter to estimate colloidal concentration, while have only an assumption that the EC meter measures mostly ion concentration. Both of those are a little doubtful. And with the pulser circuit we are trying with, we have a new variable in the experiment that may act differently than low voltage DC does. -- Regards, John Popelish -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRE: First attempt at making EIS
Hi Devidas, where do you get the distilled water I tried looking everywhere.. from hospitals in Mumbai to pharmacy suppliers and got nothing... was visiting relatives in your state. look forward to your reply, best regards, Asif. From: devidas bhonde Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2014 3:04 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSRE: First attempt at making EIS Hi, What I wish to know is that, it is possible to decide at least approximately, how many coulombs of electricity to pass ? and at what current density ? And is stirring necessary ? I am using the best quality distilled water available About Rs 40 / lit. Thanks for reply, Devidas
Re: CSRE: First attempt at making EIS
I did try to get Pure water and even Water for Injections. But the best I could get was de-ionised water! From: Neville Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2014 11:59 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSRE: First attempt at making EIS They use what's termed here as 'Pure Water', they need better quality water for making up medicines in pharmacies. If DW is not procurable, this would be the next best thing in my book. N. From: asifnathe...@hotmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRE: First attempt at making EIS Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2014 22:51:33 +0100 Hi Devidas, where do you get the distilled water I tried looking everywhere.. from hospitals in Mumbai to pharmacy suppliers and got nothing... was visiting relatives in your state. look forward to your reply, best regards, Asif. From: devidas bhonde Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2014 3:04 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSRE: First attempt at making EIS Hi, What I wish to know is that, it is possible to decide at least approximately, how many coulombs of electricity to pass ? and at what current density ? And is stirring necessary ? I am using the best quality distilled water available About Rs 40 / lit. Thanks for reply, Devidas
Re: CSTwo Important Questions John
John and I were discussing the different cathodes ... (or the metal you can use for the minus end of your circuit) obviously we would need pure silver for the Anode to release itself into the water.. but the other end can be any other metal that is safe to use and will not contaminate your brew in any way. CAVEAT: if you can safely ensure that only your ANODE will be SILVER then .. and only then look to substituting your CATHODE for something else.. I DO NOT RECOMMEND THIS FOR MOST PEOPLE due to the possibility of human error... I my case I've made it idiot proof and isn't even possible to make that error also the vessel you use can make a difference as the lead in glass can leach into the brew so one should be careful in choosing the vessel. if unclear let me know. I'm sure others here are considerably more proficient in answering any questions than myself. Peace to All. Asif. From: Ron Sent: Monday, August 25, 2014 12:33 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSTwo Important Questions John I sure don't understand a bit of it. Ron On 8/24/2014 2:33 PM, Rusty wrote: I’m sorry but I don’t know your name. The link that John sent me sounded possible to do…but what you’re saying to me is like Greek…it sounds so complicated. I don’t know whether to try to go ahead if it is this complicated. Kathleen From: asifnathekar [mailto:asifnathe...@hotmail.com] Sent: August 19, 2014 9:22 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSTwo Important Questions John I use stainless steel so that it wont leach anything into the water Even the vessel is borosilicate glass as some of us found that regular glass could leach its materials such as lead. For me it made a difference. As for the polarity I have made it idiot proof.. If one required pulsing and a non silver cathode then dc only pulses would be required. . Im guessing your using AC for your design .. to keep thr electrodes clean. I just swap out my stainless steel plates for the spare pair so that the stuff accumalates on a clean cathode and not fall down into the water where it would contaminate the brew Sent from Samsung Mobile Original message From: John Popelish jpopel...@gmail.com Date: 19/08/2014 13:47 (GMT+00:00) To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSTwo Important Questions John On 08/19/2014 04:22 AM, asifnathekar wrote: John I use stainless steel sheets for my cathodes Since theyre not emitting anything they are fine for this purpose. ... I have tried the carbon rod, from the center of a carbon-zinc battery, but it got plated with silver so I reversed the connections, occasionally, to unplate them. After that, I just use similar silver electrodes, so I can reverse the current, periodically, to cut the rate of silver loss from either, in half. I think, with a stainless steel electrode, you have to be careful of polarity and use strictly DC to drive the process, or you risk getting iron, nickel, chromium, manganese etc. in the solution. With two silver electrodes, this cannot happen, regardless of current direction. -- Regards, John Popelish -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active.
Re: CSNew pulse generator design
Hulda Clark / Don Croft type designs below this is the same type of circuit with the same functional output http://www.stenulson.net/althealth/cspulse.htm Ive made this and found that my brew was getting gold coloured It made the brew pretty fast and I wasn't happy with it. After experimenting with pulsed DC circuits and current controlled DC, I've stuck with Current controlled sticking to 0.2ma per Square inch. including pulsed DC and controlling current simultaneously! I have tried the suggested 1ma per square inch and it was too much for my brewing setup since I do not stir for fear of introducing contaminants and also i found that too vigorous a stir ruined the brew anyway, Trem also found similar results and did a lot a work to get the stirring work. I use a LM334 IC, It operates within 1v and 40V, is well behaved with minimal circuitry, and can compensate for temperature and drift. http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/lm134.pdf I hope this helps. Peace to all Asif. -Original Message- From: Ode Coyote Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2014 12:37 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSNew pulse generator design The high voltage will impart a higher velocity to the ions being emitted and the pulse width limit averaged current. I don't know that that will affect electrode deposits in any way other than maybe blowing them off into the water or perhaps have those byproducts form in the water rather than on the electrodes. Try it and see what happens. Ode On 8/2/2014 8:19 PM, John Popelish wrote: On 08/02/2014 08:01 PM, asifnathekar wrote: Any advantages over regular DC current controlled designs Or people who use zappers at 25khz frequencies such as don croft/ Hulda Clark designs At this point, any advantages are unproved. I was frustrated with the silver oxide and electroplated solver particles produced with DC systems. I am hoping for input about whether or not these effects can be finessed by using brief, high voltage pulses, separated by relative long resting periods, that let the atomic oxygen, at the cathode, disperse and the ejected silver atoms (or clusters) to diffuse away from the electrodes. I got the idea from pulse battery charging circuits. I noticed that they altered the surface texture of the battery plates, relative to pure DC charging systems. But, at this point, I make no definite claims about whether this generator produces anything different than batteries. This is what I am trying to discover. I'll try to find info on the Hulda Clark design you mention. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSsafety of crystal
Hi all, My general advice is that you use borosilicate glass for brewing that way you can significantly minimise the effects of anything leeching into the water and other interactions that may occur. Peace to all. Asif. --- Original Message --- From: Jess jessi...@optonline.net Sent: 18 September 2013 16:33 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSsafety of crystal Thanks PT, I tried to contact the manufacturer in France but no response. Jess From: PT Ferrance [mailto:ptf2...@bellsouth.net] Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 7:37 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSsafety of crystal My understanding is that there is lead crystal which is manufactured with lead and then there is crystal manufactured without it. I think the terminology has become less precise over the years so it might be wise to check. PT _ From: Neville Munn one.red...@hotmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 3:19 AM Subject: RE: CSsafety of crystal I've always understood lead is in all crystal glassware, quantity dependant on manufacturer. I brewed a batch in a crystal jug years ago and it turned tea coloured in a very short time. I assumed electrolysis of the silver interacted with the lead in the crystal? Was always going to repeat the exercise to satisfy myself one way or tuther, but never have. N. _ From: drumr...@stny.rr.com Subject: Re: CSsafety of crystal Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 20:25:25 -0400 To: silver-list@eskimo.com I DO know that storing or making colloidal silver in lead crystal is not advised. L On Sep 17, 2013, at 8:12 PM, PT Ferrance wrote: It depends whether or not lead was used in manufacturing. PT _ From: Jess jessi...@optonline.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 6:20 PM Subject: CSsafety of crystal does anyone know if it's safe to drink out of crystal glass every day? Thanks, Jess
Re: CShelp with diode
Im sure it was 1ma per square INCH I actually use 0.2/0.1 ma per square inch for much better and easier results It takes longer but its worth it... High likelihood of having Higher Ionic content. From: yousouf eydatoula Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2013 3:39 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CShelp with diode square centimeter of what? the surface of the electrode in contact with water? I think that this is too much complicated. I have been using CS for almost 20 years now, and I would say that it is sufficient to use very pure water. When you use your apparatus you should not see any cloud. But after 20/30 minutes the water should taste slightly bitter and metallic. If you see any cloud it would be very light golden brown. When you have this golden color then you know your colloids are very fine , in the nano scale. Anyway, the friends who told you to use this specification have undoubtedly done the research and, if you can, then follow the instructions. Remember that as your electrodes wear out the area would change too. But don't worry too much about this. As I said I have used CS for a long time, and for the last few years I have been using MMS, which I found is even more effective than CS. I use both. I use CS mostly when I cannot use MMS, eg eyewash, wounds, burns, etc. For flu, food poisoning, bacterial infection, etc I use MMS. From: Joe Huard joe.hu...@primus.ca To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 10:09 PM Subject: Re: CShelp with diode I have been advised by many on this group to keep the current down to 1mA per square centimeter, in order to have nano particle size. Joe On 31/08/2013 10:03 PM, yousouf eydatoula wrote: With 30 V dc use a 30K resistor. V=IR where V=voltage I=current. To be accurate you have to consider also the resistance of the water between the electrodes which varies with the conductivity and the distance between the electrodes. May I ask why you need to be so accurate? -- From: Joe Huard mailto:joe.hu...@primus.ca To: Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 7:22 PM Subject: CShelp with diode Hi, I am lost trying to find a current limiting diode. I went to my local electronics parts store, and he never even heard of them. I found some on Mouser http://ca.mouser.com/Semiconductors/Discrete-Semiconductors/Diodes-Rectifiers/Current-Regulator-Diodes/_/N-ax1ml, but I don't get the Maximum Limiting Voltage part. What do I need here? I was going to use 30 V and 1 mA. Joe H. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CShelp with diode
Please consider this an endorsement for the lm334z chip It's very well behaved but remember to use it with temp compensation ( the addition of two diodes and another resister ) if possible ...otherwise use with one resister ... At least you should get started... Refinements can come later Sent from my iPhone On 1 Sep 2013, at 22:26, Steve youngs...@digis.net wrote: Joe, Either diode will work fine. Or, you can use a LM334Z constant current regulator. The LM334 is much cheaper and more plentiful, and only requires a single resistor to set the current. I buy mine from Jameco (www.jameco.com), part number 23739. Download the data sheet (free) to see how it works. A 75 ohm resistor will give you about 1 mA. Steve Y. From: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com [mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com] On Behalf Of Joe Huard Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2013 2:27 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CShelp with diode Yes; you're right! Thanks for the correction. Still, no one answered my question. Is a Maximum Limiting Voltage of 1.7 V good enough, or do I need to search for a diode that goes to 5 volts? There are only 2 current limiting diodes at 1mA, and the Max. Limiting Voltage is only 1.7 V. http://ca.mouser.com/Semiconductors/Discrete-Semiconductors/Diodes-Rectifiers/Current-Regulator-Diodes/_/N-ax1ml?P=1yzrlz3Z1z0rzzo Do I need to get at least 5 Volts? Joe On 01/09/2013 3:35 PM, asif nathekar wrote: Im sure it was 1ma per square INCH I actually use 0.2/0.1 ma per square inch for much better and easier results It takes longer but its worth it... High likelihood of having Higher Ionic content.
Re: CSELECTRODOS DE PLATA
Please ensure the clips do not touch the water... only the silver best of luck Peace to all. From: yousouf eydatoula Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 8:05 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSELECTRODOS DE PLATA I'll tell you what I use. I just bought 2 silver (1 ounce) bullion coins. They are 99.9% pure. I just attach them with an alligator clamp. each time I make CS I alternate the coins. I bought those bullion coins at 20$ on ebay. They are maple leaf. That will last me and my descendants for all our lifetime. there is absolutely no need to use silver wire. It may take a little improvisation to position the coins but you'll find the way. Remember that it cost me 20$ for 30 grams of pure silver. In Canada RBC and TD bank sell silver coins, but you have to pay for the transaction fees, a 20-30% premium above spot price, but ultimately when you do the calculation you will still pay less than most places that specializes in silver wire. If you want to see my setup email me at ey...@yahoo.com and I shall send you some pics. From: Jose A Recio joseare...@yahoo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 1:23 AM Subject: CSELECTRODOS DE PLATA From: Smitty papad...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 12:50 AM Subject: Re: CSinquiry I ordered from = http://www.atlasnova.com/ Smitty On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 6:45 PM, Steve G chube...@yahoo.com wrote: I bought some 99.9% pure silver wire last year from an ebay seller. I had to do a fair amount of research in order to make sure it really was pure silver and NOT sterling silver which would NEVER do. Also needed to make sure that the wire was a fairly thick gauge, as this will yield superior results. Steve -- From: BOBBIE TALLENT bearskinn...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 1:50 PM Subject: CSinquiry hi; i'm bob, and i'm new to CS. would like to try it, though. i have all the wherewithall but the wire. could anyone please tell me where i can buy the finesilver wire at reasonable prices? thank you so much. bob
Re: CSRE: silver-digest Digest V2013 #232
Hi Chaps, My thoughts have been that anything that will vapourise at temps lower than the boiling point of water will also rise, cool and condense thereby polluting the end product. My solution to this is to let the water boil for a good 15 mins first to allow the contaminants to release into the air, and then I place the condenser unit on top and start collecting. *please do that carefully*. Even then needless to say double distill in this manner for excellent results. Emphasis on the double distill... Peace and love to all, Asif. -Original Message- From: 123 456 Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2013 6:56 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRE: silver-digest Digest V2013 #232 Hi Melly...the many different designs of water distillationunits that are available will all produce clean safe water. I doubt that any of the pollution will carry over in the water vapour (steam) that is cooled to reform the distilledproduct. Please could anyoone corrector confirm that? thanks Tara __ On 8/15/13, melly tita_...@yahoo.com wrote: Olukashola, How can rainwater nowadays be clean, with depleted uranium in the atmosphere hovering perpetually and comes down on us when it rains? Our atmosphere is also full of Fukushima radiation which also comes down in the water. We have to be realistic, our water, land and air is slowly poisoning us. Do our present available filters remove DU and radiation? Please anyone know if filters work on above pollutants? Melly From: silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com [mailto:silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com] Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2013 10:37 AM To: silver-dig...@eskimo.com Subject: silver-digest Digest V2013 #232 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSArthritus
Agreed Magnesium Oil is considerably cheaper to make and quicker to affect you. However remember to wash off the areas where applied as it also contains some sea salt. I would wash off anytime between half to one hour afterwards. Absorption happens around 20 minutes. Peace to All. Asif. From: PT Ferrance Sent: Friday, July 26, 2013 2:19 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSArthritus If you wanted to up your magnesium levels why wouldn't you use magnesium oil topically? More reliable than depending on the soil the wild marjoram is grown in. PT From: 123 456 whiteol...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 8:07 PM Subject: Re: CSArthritus Ahhh... This I understand. You can infuse the wild marjorum in some hempseed/avocado oil (50/50) for a few hours or alternativly buy some of the wild marjorum oil and put about ten to thirty drops into about an ounce of the base oils. If you can find brazil nut oil that would be a good additive. Your body basically will eat it up through your skin. My recipe changes depending upon whatever I can find at the time. Muscadine grapeseed oil and seed is a huge anti-inflammatory too. Yes I have been known to sell it to my local healthfood store and farmers market but it depends upon that years harvest. sometimes i will infuse lavender just for the healing too. Have fun. Tara On 7/25/13, Anne Ney aney3...@gmail.com wrote: Tara, how do you make it? Sent from my iPad On Jul 25, 2013, at 6:03 PM, 123 456 whiteol...@gmail.com wrote: Look into wild marjorum. it is higher in mag than any of the others and is absorbed very quickly and blends well with the heavier bases. I have been making this up every summer for my own pains and aches. relif upon contact. because it is thinner than a cream it is absorbed faster. keep you system in a ph baleced state or even a little alkaline. this should help to deal with the inflammation in the tissues. Eating hempseed oil and coconut oils on a daily basis will do a lot for the pain too. all the best... let us know how you like the ideas? Tara On 7/25/13, PT Ferrance ptf2...@bellsouth.net wrote: Thanks Heather. The vit E oil doesn't work for me. PT From: Heather W heatherwy...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 2:17 PM Subject: Re: CSArthritus Thanks for all the interest! Please feel free to e-mail me directly if you have any other questions. You could send the money through PayPal. The email is magicwysorb...@gmail.com. Or send a check to: Heather Wysor 1041 E. Forest Ave Ypsilanti, MI 48198 Www.Facebook.com/MagicWysorBalm/ PT: Ingredients: Olive Oil, Sesame Oil, Vitamin E Oil, Coconut Oil, Coco Butter, Arnica Oil, Calendula Oil, Clove Oil, Beeswax, Chamomile, Mullein Leaf, Blessed Thistle, Elder Flower, Marshmallow Root, Oregano Leaf, Thyme Leaf, Comfrey Root, Agrimony, Raspberry Leaf, Stinging Nettle, Plantain Leaf, Lavender, Yarrow, Rose Hips, Alfalfa. The herbs I purchase from Frontier. As my garden grows, I use homegrown herbs as much as I can. The oils are mostly organic. It can be a little heavy when you first out it on, but its not terrible. Since its made with natural oils, it soaks in nicely. Raven: It is fragrance free. The herbs and clove oil give it a slight smell to it, but it is very mild. Anne: I get the standard oils from my local food co-op. Like the Olive oil, Sesame oil, and Vitamin E oils. I make the Arnica and Calendula Oils. I steep the herb in olive oil for a month while agitating frequently. Its really easy. Phew! I think that answered all of the questions! -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSLooking for silver wire on ebay
Agreed, I think the general wisdom for two silver electrodes is that someone may one day inadvertently swap their clips and harm themselves with the resultant brew. although I use a stainless steel cathode for an electrode myself, I wouldn't recommend it for other people, or even present it as an option for fear of their safety. peace to all Asif. From: James McDonald Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 4:48 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSLooking for silver wire on ebay Yes, you can use a copper wire/rod for the cathode. I use the thermocouple for my temp control for my cathode and attache the voltmeter and the current meter to this. Saves your silver wire! From: Joe Huard joe.hu...@primus.ca To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 12:43 PM Subject: Re: CSLooking for silver wire on ebay But you can use a copper cathode, correct? Joe H. On 26/03/2013 12:32 PM, James McDonald wrote: You don't want to use silver plated copper wire for making IS/CS!! You don't want copper! Use a silver bullion bar or 100% silver round/coin. -- From: 123 456 whiteol...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 7:46 AM Subject: Re: CSLooking for silver wire on ebay Hi Assad, sure, they do. I have friends who have ordered that. The always make it look intimidating bu they really aren't. They are pretty easy to deal with. If you have trouble with it then email me and I'll help. I pass by there most days and I have an account with them. tarab...@gmail.com Give them a call and ask for a price and get the spot metal price for when you call. In fact, 'm using some thin, fine silver plated copper wire and I get good results even from that. Be persistant, Best wishes, On 3/26/13, Assad peace...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I checked their website but I don't think they would be interested to sell one foot to an individual. Best regards, Assad You might try googling Handy Harmon Or Imperial Smelting. They are two internationally known precious metal smelters in Toronto. Phone number for Imperial is 905 475 5426 L * On Monday, March 25, 2013, Assad peace...@gmail.com wrote: Hello all, Anyone knows a reliable ebayer who sells silver wire internationally? Thank you. Regards, Assad -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSnew member intro
Correct although some resin type filters are tweaked to remove some fluoride But for the best results it's RO or distillation in terms of cost and speed RO wins every time for drinking purposes. On 24 Mar 2013, at 14:45, sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com wrote: finplan65 wrote: Can someone please recommend a shower filter to filter not only the chlorine but also the flouride and other undesirable elements? To the best of my current knowledge there is no filter that will remove fluoride. To get rid of fluoride takes distillation or reverse osmosis. Someone correct me if I am wrong. sol -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSnew member intro
Hi Joe, Please also look at the silver cell process. Many here have found that the simplest way is the best and if you use a current limiting diode or current limiting ic costing around a dollar then all you need is a 30 v or thereabouts supply and to keep the current to a maximum of 1ma per square inch, the less the better but then it takes longer to brew. And remember a lower current will ensure smaller particles / more actual ions. Also a low current will eliminate the need for stirring. So please do not over think this. More important is a good quality brewing vessel with a good cover and double distilled water. Even with the expensive machines they won't work without double distilled water. This doesn't need anymore engineering than current limiting. Best of luck Peace to all Asif. On 21 Mar 2013, at 13:28, Joe Huard joe.hu...@primus.ca wrote: Thanks PT. When I wrote about the silver-colloids report of 32 brands, I wrote it wrong. The fifth place should have been written as fifth last, or 28th for the SG-7. The brand that was number one was Mesosilver. Do you think that Mesosilver owns silver-colloids.com? I need to do a lot more reading before I invest any money. I read a whole lot of info on the silvermedicine.org site. I found out that the current should be limited to under 40 mA (ideally 5-20mA). To achieve that I can use a regulated power supply and a digital meter. I also learned that stirring keeps the current down. I will probably build a homemade DC unit with a motor to stir with, unless I find even better plans for an AC unit. I'm waiting on a new transformer to arrive in the mail so I can finish Carmi's heating pad idea. I also got one of those amplified lineman's pickup coils from Winnipeg, but made in China. Bye for now, Joe H. On 20/03/2013 5:38 PM, PT Ferrance wrote: Hi Joe, PT here. I joined this group a number of years ago and have enjoyed it from the beginning. Everyone is helpful and willing to share. I purchased a silverpuppy from Ode and have been very happy with it as all I need to do is plug it in and let it work. When the CS/EIS is done it turns itself off. If I want something stronger I can override. Nice to see you on another forum. PT From: Joe Huard joe.hu...@primus.ca Sent: Wed, March 20, 2013 4:05:22 PM Subject: CSnew member intro Hi Group, I just joined this list 2 days ago. I looked in the archives and saw many names that I recognized from some of the Yahoo groups I am in. I would like to know how to make CS or EIS, whatever is better or cheaper or easier. I am not really flush with money, but I have enough. I read an article on Mercola's site that gave some other websites about CS. http://www.silver-colloids.com/Reports/reports.html has a report on 32 brands of CS, with the home made brew only in fifth place, and that is with a $700 SG-7. I also saw a video on YouTube showing a 3 times 9 volt battery setup that appeared to work. There are big differences between those 2 devices. I have access to distilled water as I have 4 older machines that I can get working. I use RO for my drinking water. I also have a 30 volt 3amp regulated DC power supply. I read that 30 volts was best, but 27 volts good enough. But, I also read that AC current is best. If AC current is best, what frequency is best and what is the correct current to make the smallest silver particles? If DC is better, I can set the power supply to limit the current if I know what the limit should be. I read that someone from this list considers 85% ionic silver and 15% colloidal silver optimal. Is this the consensus? Is 100% CS impossible to obtain, or undesirable due to cost or ineffectiveness? Enough questions for now, Joe H. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSnew member intro
Each point addressed below On 21 Mar 2013, at 19:34, Joe Huard joe.hu...@primus.ca wrote: Hi Asif, I already own a BK Precision 30 V DC Power Supply 1630. It will help with current limiting, so no need for a current limiting diode or IC. Current limiting is in order of ma for most people that could be between 0.5 to 2 ma for large silver electrodes Most bench type supplies usually aren't equipped for currents that Low at that resolution. I am unaware of the specs of your psu so I have made assumptions. However, if I ever make one for someone else, I'll investigate that route. I assume from my rusty old electronics memory that you mean a zener diode. Is that correct? Nope zeners are for voltage. You will need a specific current limiting diode. I use an ic for that so cannot recommend one. The other members can advise. 1 ma per square in of what? One or 2 silver rods surface area? Take the surface area of the side of silver you wish to use as your anode. And then only use the side that will face the cathode . Otherwise known as the brewing surface. As only the anode or positive side will be releasing the ions. Take the measurement in square inches and use that to figure out your current. Remember no more than 1ma per square inch The brewing vessel is what I need, with a good cover; looking for that. Use a borosilicate vessel. Other types of glass or plastic may leach their materials into the brew The double distilled water is news to me. I know what it is, but none of the sites that I was on mentioned it. They said Walmart distilled for $1.39 was good enough. I was not swayed by that, as I used to sell distillers since 1980, and I know distilled water in a plastic jug is not pure as it leaches the plastic. I could double distill my water as I have 4 used distiller sitting around my basement doing nothing. However, I will start with Reverse Osmosis water put into a distiller, and that will be identical. Agreed RO water plus a single distillation should do the trick! Let us know how you get on Joe On 21/03/2013 12:26 PM, asif nathekar wrote: Hi Joe, Please also look at the silver cell process. Many here have found that the simplest way is the best and if you use a current limiting diode or current limiting ic costing around a dollar then all you need is a 30 v or thereabouts supply and to keep the current to a maximum of 1ma per square inch, the less the better but then it takes longer to brew. And remember a lower current will ensure smaller particles / more actual ions. Also a low current will eliminate the need for stirring. So please do not over think this. More important is a good quality brewing vessel with a good cover and double distilled water. Even with the expensive machines they won't work without double distilled water. This doesn't need anymore engineering than current limiting. Best of luck Peace to all Asif. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSnew member intro
Hi PT I also found some people were getting good results with their single distilled water. But in my particular case and also of some others too it had to be double distilled. Maybe the distillers had a design issue where some of the solubles were still getting through somehow? Until I had this problem I wouldn't have believed it either ! Now I go to the extent of boiling the water first to get rid of stuff with a lower boiling point and then I distill it. I found that helped further. Regards On 21 Mar 2013, at 20:21, PT Ferrance ptf2...@bellsouth.net wrote: Hi Joe, When I started someone told me to distill the water 7 times for purity. I find once through my distiller makes fine EIS... but it is amazing the smell of the distiller after I am done. I don't want to think about taking that stuff into my body or even showering in it. PT From: Joe Huard joe.hu...@primus.ca To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, March 21, 2013 3:35:03 PM Subject: Re: CSnew member intro Hi Asif, I already own a BK Precision 30 V DC Power Supply 1630. It will help with current limiting, so no need for a current limiting diode or IC. However, if I ever make one for someone else, I'll investigate that route. I assume from my rusty old electronics memory that you mean a zener diode. Is that correct? 1 ma per square in of what? One or 2 silver rods surface area? The brewing vessel is what I need, with a good cover; looking for that. The double distilled water is news to me. I know what it is, but none of the sites that I was on mentioned it. They said Walmart distilled for $1.39 was good enough. I was not swayed by that, as I used to sell distillers since 1980, and I know distilled water in a plastic jug is not pure as it leaches the plastic. I could double distill my water as I have 4 used distiller sitting around my basement doing nothing. However, I will start with Reverse Osmosis water put into a distiller, and that will be identical. Joe On 21/03/2013 12:26 PM, asif nathekar wrote: Hi Joe, Please also look at the silver cell process. Many here have found that the simplest way is the best and if you use a current limiting diode or current limiting ic costing around a dollar then all you need is a 30 v or thereabouts supply and to keep the current to a maximum of 1ma per square inch, the less the better but then it takes longer to brew. And remember a lower current will ensure smaller particles / more actual ions. Also a low current will eliminate the need for stirring. So please do not over think this. More important is a good quality brewing vessel with a good cover and double distilled water. Even with the expensive machines they won't work without double distilled water. This doesn't need anymore engineering than current limiting. Best of luck Peace to all Asif.
Re: CSTooth infection
godzilla is a DC low current 6v unregulated blood electrifier is 30v ac square waves at usually 4hz but can vary both have differing philosophies and both have high praises godzilla is the easiest to implement From: André Juthe Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 6:51 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSTooth infection Is there any difference between this 'godzilla' and the silverpulser (bloodelectrifier) from SOTA? /AJ 2013/3/13 Steve G chube...@yahoo.com I've had success dealing with infections in a fractured tooth, but CS wasn't what I used. I think it is too hard to get the CS to reach deep down in there. Instead I used a 'godzilla' device as described in the yahoo group 'microelectricity_germkiller.' Basically, you get a 6V battery and run 6V using wires and sponges or paper towels through the affected tooth for 5 or 10 minutes or so. By doing this you are bombarding the infection with trillions of electrons. Harmless level of electricity to humans but it destroys germs and viruses. I cured my painful infected tooth in one or two treatments. My wife cured her gum infection by doing the same sort of thing. Great stuff! Cheap! I like it. --- On Wed, 3/13/13, Heather W heatherwy...@gmail.com wrote: From: Heather W heatherwy...@gmail.com Subject: CSTooth infection To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Wednesday, March 13, 2013, 12:47 PM I just got back from the dentist. He did an xray on my mercury amalgam filling to see what it would cost to take it out. He said because of the expanding and contracting of the filling I now have a crack down the tooth and int ok the root. He said it is infected and could start bothering me really soon, or not for a while. But it WILL end up being a problem. I am wondering if anyone has had success in treating a tooth infection of this magnitude with CS? And if so, what techniques did you use? Thank you in advance for the advice! Heather
Re: CScomparing the zapper with B.E.
Hi, Jambo Reid! hulda clarks zapper provides a +4v to +9v (dc offset) square wave at around roughly 25khz Becks B.E provides a –27v to +27v at 3.78/4 hz square waves both have very different ideas on the philosophy of their designs and why they work. Regards. From: A. Reid Harvey Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 7:06 AM To: Silver List Subject: CScomparing the zapper with B.E. Hi Everybody, I'm not at all familiar with the zapper, and wonder whether or not this is comparable to blood electrification. Is there a simple description? I'm now recalling that some time ago, I helped a friend to successfully cure a bad tooth ache, using the B.E. I think that because of my Atkins Diet regime, I'm a whole lot less susceptible to infections and illness, but I do like to think about the possibilities for the future. Incidentally here in Kenya, we are gearing up to a possible project in their enormous 'slums.' An objective is to get pottery water filters systems, of Packed Particle Beds- PPBs, into these areas, to pump pathogen contaminated water up, and get pure water at the base. The pottery filters are, of course, treated with a very tiny amount of silver. Reid Harvey
Re: CSWant a zapper-- Please check out
Hi I have an interest in zappers and wanted to know anyone else who benefitted from zappers especially the beck style designs or those using frex type designs... I built them but not sure about application and use On 9 Feb 2013, at 17:28, zzekel...@aol.com wrote: the Electricgermkiller site for instructions on how to build--Testimonials on use safety Lois --- It is a yahoo group well worth your time.germkiller sign in In a message dated 2/8/2013 7:19:10 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, alanmjo...@gmail.com writes: Thanks. I have the Clark zapper, which I bought off ebay a few years back, which is 30kHz only. I found the following plans for a 15Hz zapper, I may have to give it a go. http://www.ryanmcginty.com/orgone/zapperinfo.pdf
Re: CSConductive Gloves
hi please be aware that they are usually different but similar both are conductive but anti static has a high resistance usually with an added resistor as its used to ground high voltages. From: PT Ferrance Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 2:45 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSConductive Gloves Thank you on two counts... I have used ixquick.com for years but never explored the deep n private search and for the 'anti-static' qualification. I had been looking for conductive not anti-static not realizing they were the same thing. Happy New Year. PT From: Charlene Mann revwalkingtur...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, December 31, 2012 1:18:06 AM Subject: CSConductive Gloves On 12/30/2012 9:33 AM, PT Ferrance, seeking conductive gloves, wrote to the List: ...I'm wondering if anyone knows where I can get some of the graphite-vinyl material. I have hunted the internet and have not been able to find it. to which marshall mdud...@king-cart.com responded, Check for conductive rubber (likely neoprene instead of vinyl though) mats, both for electronic assembly areas as well as operating rooms. -- -- So I hit the ixquick.com Deep 'n' Private Search Engine with the terms, [ buy antistatic vinyl glove ] and gained about 259 possibles (scant indeed), of which the Nextag listing seems most promising of the bunch; eBay apparently comes in a close second (tonight). Those results should duplicate well for others using that engine (not Google nor BING! etc) using those terms fwiw. Hope that helps too. ;) -- With cordial respect, Reverend Charlene Walking Turtle Mann (ULC) First Peoples' Church of the Forbidden Truth John 8:32 is Just All Right by ME!
RE: CSOT - zappers
Hi, I have circuit schematics for hulda clark and beck type zappers Those who are interested can contact me Peace to all, Asif. -Original Message- From: bob Larson [mailto:bobli...@att.net] Sent: 25 December 2012 06:24 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSOT - zappers zapper usually probably more correctly refers to the hulda clark type devices operating at specific frequencies. the beck device is a blood electrifier,operating at D.C. or a very low frequency that can be more like polarity reversing D.C. the blood electrifier passes current through a blood vessel in order to affect the blood, while the zapper passes it'[[s higher freqs through the whole body (usualy). Sota Instruments in canada sells the whole bob beck kit. well made stuff, for what it is. not cheap. google godzilla beck and you'll probably find some schematics to make various versions cheap and easy. -Original Message- From: Alex Flex [mailto:aflex...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, December 24, 2012 6:48 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSOT - zappers Hey guys, I have an VIH condition, I would certainly would like to try the zapper from the Bob Beck protocol. Could anybody please point me to a source to adquire one? Alex -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSanxiety and stress
Hi Alan, I know some people, whom I would call sceptics about anything natural, that benefitted immensely from Bach flower remedies “rescue remedy” Try a couple of drops when extra tense. Be thankful to the Creator for what you have rather than what you haven't. Sometimes you have to adjust to new circumstances, which isn't what we expected, but it isn't a disaster either!. Be kind to yourself and others and forgive others as a way of moving on with your life without the baggage of the past. Remember after hardship comes ease. Peace to all. Asif. From: Deborah Gerard Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 3:32 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSanxiety and stress Hi Alan, So sorry you are stressed out. Any chance you can retire? Or have a meeting and negotiate how much you make? Take really good care of yourself..supplement..go talk to your close friends about options..I take valerian root or passion flower for anxiety and it helps alot. Wish you well..this world is seemingly going thru anxiety, Debbie From: Alan Jones alanmjo...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, November 9, 2012 8:43 AM Subject: CSanxiety and stress My world has been turned upside down. After nearly 30 years at the same company, where I always got stellar performance reviews and incredible raises, bonuses and stock options, all of a sudden, without warning, I am told I make too much money and my employment is in immediate jeopardy (I'm a software engineer). If this wasn't bad enough, my body is responding with extreme stress and anxiety, which are severely affecting my ability to function in my job, let alone life. My wife has some anxiety pills which I have been taking, which help a bit. I hate drugs, however, and am looking for other options. I would think that some effective hypnosis program would be useful to get this under control, but so far haven't found anything that looks effective. Any help is appreciated... -- Alan Jones The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people. (Tenth Amendment to the US Constitution)
Re: CSStoring water
The issues are that the CS would combine with the various other chemicals in the water such as salts and form compounds that may not be as effective as one may believe. Also remember tap water has chlorine so it's not totally without protection. Although it may also have germs/ parasite in there too! Hydrogen peroxide sounds like a good idea given the issues or forms of iodine crystals. Look at survivalist websites on this Peace to all Asif On 5 Nov 2012, at 16:04, Jane MacRoss highfie...@internode.on.net wrote: Thanks :) - Original Message - From: Deborah Gerard To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 3:00AM Subject: Re: CSStoring water CS..sorry..not awake yet :) From: Jane MacRoss highfie...@internode.on.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, November 5, 2012 10:49 AM Subject: Re: CSStoring water Tablespoon of what Debbie? Thanks Jane - Original Message - From: Deborah Gerard To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 2:33 AM Subject: Re: CSStoring water I buy water at a Culligan filter station her in a Big store it is 29 cents a gallon if you bring your own container...I always put about a tablespoon in each one because I buy six at a time and don't use them right away...I believe I learned this on this group, Debbie :) From: Kirsteen Wright kirsteen.falcons...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, November 5, 2012 10:25 AM Subject: CSStoring water Having looked at the havoc caused by Sandy, I was thinking it would be a good idea to store some drinking water. The sites I've read all say that, if you store tap water, it should be replaced every 6 months. I was wondering if I added some CS to it, would it last longer, if so, roughly when should it be replaced? Or would I be better adding some food grade hydrogen peroxide? Any ideas cheers Kirsteen No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2441/5373 - Release Date: 11/04/12 No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2441/5373 - Release Date: 11/04/12
Re: CSStoring water
RO water is technically good but certain realities must be kept in mind If using at home ensure you use a decent unit with a pump as the RO membrane works best when the water is first pressurised ( please see osmotic water theory) also some units include an after filter to replace the beneficial minerals lost during the filtering process thats something else to avoid in this scenario. Otherwise RO water is pretty much the best thing after single distilled water. But I wouldn't brew with it! On 5 Nov 2012, at 16:34, Deborah Gerard devorah...@yahoo.com wrote: Asif, Would that include reverse osmosis water? Thanks, Debbie From: Asif Nathekar asifnathe...@hotmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, November 5, 2012 11:24 AM Subject: Re: CSStoring water The issues are that the CS would combine with the various other chemicals in the water such as salts and form compounds that may not be as effective as one may believe. Also remember tap water has chlorine so it's not totally without protection. Although it may also have germs/ parasite in there too! Hydrogen peroxide sounds like a good idea given the issues or forms of iodine crystals. Look at survivalist websites on this Peace to all Asif On 5 Nov 2012, at 16:04, Jane MacRoss highfie...@internode.on.net wrote: Thanks :) - Original Message - From: Deborah Gerard To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 3:00 AM Subject: Re: CSStoring water CS..sorry..not awake yet :) From: Jane MacRoss highfie...@internode.on.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, November 5, 2012 10:49 AM Subject: Re: CSStoring water Tablespoon of what Debbie? Thanks Jane - Original Message - From: Deborah Gerard To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 2:33 AM Subject: Re: CSStoring water I buy water at a Culligan filter station her in a Big store it is 29 cents a gallon if you bring your own container...I always put about a tablespoon in each one because I buy six at a time and don't use them right away...I believe I learned this on this group, Debbie :) From: Kirsteen Wright kirsteen.falcons...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, November 5, 2012 10:25 AM Subject: CSStoring water Having looked at the havoc caused by Sandy, I was thinking it would be a good idea to store some drinking water. The sites I've read all say that, if you store tap water, it should be replaced every 6 months. I was wondering if I added some CS to it, would it last longer, if so, roughly when should it be replaced? Or would I be better adding some food grade hydrogen peroxide? Any ideas cheers Kirsteen No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2441/5373 - Release Date: 11/04/12 No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2441/5373 - Release Date: 11/04/12
Re: CSThe Silvercell process?
It's not difficult to make more than adequate highly ionic CS, by brewing using a very low current around 0.1 ma per sq inch. Extremely pure water and good clean apparatus. However I believe Mike is after the holy grail of perfection which in unnecessary for certainly even the most ambitious uses of CS. I can get stable 30-40 us every time using extremely low currents and lots of time. And anyone who has been the recipient of the CS has been generally a happy bunny!. If I brew faster there is alway a gamble that after 15-20 us the brew can start looking slightly yellow or gold. Peace to all Asif On 5 Jan 2012, at 09:31, David O'Neil da...@alchemysa.com.au wrote: So, would you agree that Mikes claim that its extremely difficult to make highly ionic CS is somewhat exagerated? David - Original Message - From: David AuBuchon To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 7:25 AM Subject: Re: CSThe Silvercell process? I stopped brewing at about a stable 50 uS. Slight yellow tinge. It is possible it could go higher if I just kept sticking the generator in it. But I got bored. This concentration brew also does not appear to make me herx or anything.
Re: CSThe Silvercell process?
Hi Neville, I have actually tried this and found nothing I can report anecdotally, however I found that if your silver source is around 99.8 and above, which I find American eagle coins usually are (as tested by XRF machine) then other factors play a much more significant role, such as water, purity of brewing vessel and cleaning materials (some detergents leave a residue to help sparkle, shine or protection) or bleach from the tissues that may have been used to dry. I use a 99.99 silver for most of my brewing now. So I use cheap as possible washing up liquid( to ensure I avoid the cleaning ‘technology’ or in our case ‘residue’) to clean my borosilicate beaker (its borosilicate so that less undesirable chemicals leach from the glass such as those used in cheap glass and plastics) and rinse a couple of times with tap water then a rinse with single distilled water. Then commence with brewing with double distilled water. Tried single distil and it has never worked for me. although in the future I will be trying RO water and single distill. cheers Neville keep up the straight talk!... From: Neville Munn Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2012 11:17 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSThe Silvercell process? I'd be interested in knowing the difference in end product between the use of 99.98% and 99.99% pure fine silver electrodes? Does that 0.2% difference in silver produce a different end result measurement if using same electrode setup, same water and water temperature, same equipment, same brewing time, same testing methods etc etc. I follow your thinking Asif, if it ain't broke then don't mess with it g. All it has to do is *work*, and that's 'perfect' enough for me without chasing some impossible dream to achieve..*What* exactly? N. Subject: Re: CSThe Silvercell process? From: asifnathe...@hotmail.com Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2012 14:04:55 + To: silver-list@eskimo.com It's not difficult to make more than adequate highly ionic CS, by brewing using a very low current around 0.1 ma per sq inch. Extremely pure water and good clean apparatus. However I believe Mike is after the holy grail of perfection which in unnecessary for certainly even the most ambitious uses of CS. I can get stable 30-40 us every time using extremely low currents and lots of time. And anyone who has been the recipient of the CS has been generally a happy bunny!. If I brew faster there is alway a gamble that after 15-20 us the brew can start looking slightly yellow or gold. Peace to all Asif On 5 Jan 2012, at 09:31, David O'Neil da...@alchemysa.com.au wrote: So, would you agree that Mikes claim that its extremely difficult to make highly ionic CS is somewhat exagerated? David - Original Message - From: David AuBuchon To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 7:25 AM Subject: Re: CSThe Silvercell process? I stopped brewing at about a stable 50 uS. Slight yellow tinge. It is possible it could go higher if I just kept sticking the generator in it. But I got bored. This concentration brew also does not appear to make me herx or anything.
Re: CSstye in the eye
Hi Taniform,Would you kindly share studies, links, documents or equations to bring some weight to this opinion.You have some of us intrigued!Thank youBest regardsAsif.From: "Taniform Asongwe" tason...@yahoo.co.ukTo: "silver-list@eskimo.com" silver-list@eskimo.comSent: 28 October 2012 17:33Subject: Re: CSstye in the eyeDMSO and CS results mostly likely in poisonous substance. I would not suggest that at all.From: sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, 27 October 2012, 17:11 Subject: Re: CSstye in the eye I'd add a couple of drops of DMSO to the CS.solPaula Perry wrote: I hope someone has a good suggestion for a stye in the eye. I put cs in it a few times and don't see anything happening. I am not sure of the strength of the cs because the generator didn't seem to stay on very long. Anything else that works? Thanks, Paula--The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.orgUnsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribeArchives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.htmlOff-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.comList Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSmicroelectricitygermkiller group
Re: CSmicroelectricitygermkiller groupOil of Oregano From: Trem Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 3:29 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSmicroelectricitygermkiller group Excuse my ignorance. What is O of O? Trem From: Marshall [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com] Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 8:01 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSmicroelectricitygermkiller group I have used it many times and survived! Marshall On 10/27/2012 3:43 AM, Jane MacRoss wrote: NOTHING survives O of O - Original Message - From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2012 6:22 PM Subject: Re: CSmicroelectricitygermkiller group Also Oil of Oregano and Lemon Balm have said to have been successful.. Having tasted O of O I can say that I'm sure no shingles would ever survive it! (lol) dee -- From: Shirley Reed pj20...@yahoo.com Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2012 17:21:39 -0700 (PDT) To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSmicroelectricitygermkiller group Resent-From: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2012 17:21:39 -0700 The group mentioned above has files that address the herpes and shingles issues. I think it will work for this and it is cheap and easy to try. Also, geranium oil is said to quickly alleviate the pain of shingles. I have no personal experience with this oil for shingles. Best wishes, pj No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2441/5355 - Release Date: 10/26/12 No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1427 / Virus Database: 2441/5357 - Release Date: 10/27/12
Re: CShigh PPM EIS concept:
Reverse Osmosis Membrane or something analogous to that perhaps? From: David AuBuchon Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 4:01 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CShigh PPM EIS concept: I hope I am not violating some basic law(s) of electrochemistry here...I'll give myself a 50% chance of someone correcting me: What if you divided the cell with a material that is nonconducting, does not react with silver ions, and manages to obstruct the flow of current between the electrodes completely. Then you punched a small hole in the material. Current could pass through that hole. If that hole could be moved around in the plane of that sheet of material, it could confound the silver ions trying to migrate towards that hole, as they rarely succeed in passing through it before it has moved to somewhere else. Could this allow an indefinite amount of silver ions to get into solution? I guess it is like creating an artificial sense of infinite distance between electrodes without there ever being such a thing. Another concept is to literally create a large distance between electrodes. Could this not also be helpful in reaching higher concentrations of silver ions? A way to do this is to create some kind of a maze for the ion to have to travel through. David
Re: CShigh PPM EIS concept:
I use a current controlled CS generator, by increasing the 'distance' between the electrodes by means of a maze type container would THEORETICALLY help me by increasing the resistance of the DW so that i can keep the voltages higher where it tends to brew more efficiently, without reaching a low voltage so soon and limiting the process. for example in my setup when i reach below 6v it seems reluctant to brew any more. and that's with a setup where I can increase the distance between the electrodes, when I reach a limit, I increase the distance between the electrodes so that I can brew again by increasing the voltages. I can get 38us roughly using this method, although I am an advocate of very low current brewing (0.1/0.2ma per SQ inch) and my setup is geared for this in mind, so my current controlled setup will go low voltage quicker than most to maintain the low currents I am looking for my brew. the reason I mention this is that I understand the wisdom behind the question and agree with this line of reasoning based on my experiences . Peace to all, Asif. From: Marshall Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 3:16 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CShigh PPM EIS concept: On 10/25/2012 11:01 PM, David AuBuchon wrote: I hope I am not violating some basic law(s) of electrochemistry here...I'll give myself a 50% chance of someone correcting me: What if you divided the cell with a material that is nonconducting, does not react with silver ions, and manages to obstruct the flow of current between the electrodes completely. Then you punched a small hole in the material. Current could pass through that hole. If that hole could be moved around in the plane of that sheet of material, it could confound the silver ions trying to migrate towards that hole, as they rarely succeed in passing through it before it has moved to somewhere else. Could this allow an indefinite amount of silver ions to get into solution? I guess it is like creating an artificial sense of infinite distance between electrodes without there ever being such a thing. Another concept is to literally create a large distance between electrodes. Could this not also be helpful in reaching higher concentrations of silver ions? A way to do this is to create some kind of a maze for the ion to have to travel through. The problem is that the ions will over a short time diffuse so that they are even throughout the solution due to diffusion. This this would accomplish nothing. However I have heard of people socking the electrode, apparently the ions can have a hard time getting through the cloth to the other electrode. If you put a osmosis barrier in there, that just might do what you are wanting. Marshall David -- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1427 / Virus Database: 2441/5353 - Release Date: 10/25/12
Re: CS Maple Leaf coins
May I offer that those who use metal clips to connect to the coins are NOT immersed in the water at all! Since you will have released some of the more undesirable stuff from the clips such as nickel which is poisonous in very small quantities! This is unfortunately easy to do with coins since the area involved is very small On 21 Oct 2012, at 13:21, V highergroun...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for input everyone. I am very grateful. : ) Val On Sun, Oct 21, 2012 at 12:20 AM, yousouf eydatoula ey...@yahoo.com wrote: I use 2 maple leaf coins too. Instead of batteries I use a printer adapter. It has 12V and 30V DC outlet. I buy these adapters in the thrift stores, usually around 2 dollars. From: Smitty papad...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 10:23 PM Subject: Re: CS Maple Leaf coins I also use 2 Maple Leaf silver coins . pure. I suspend them with plastic clips, and connect to 4 -9v sq. batteries in series. Smitty On Sat, Oct 20, 2012 at 4:18 PM, Harold har...@telus.net wrote: From day one I have been using two, suspended by alligator clips ,.[from Radio Shack, cheap] and I am sure the coins will last a full life time Harold
Re: CSTest
I got the message just fine On 11 Sep 2012, at 16:50, Dan Nave bhangcha...@gmail.com wrote: Is the list still up? -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCS/Gatorade
Hi guys Is there anything to this in terms of real world performance vs regular eis? On 7 Aug 2012, at 17:22, Marshall mdud...@king-cart.com wrote: I believe a mixture of salt and citric acid will work as well. The salt increases the solubility of silver chloride by forming a complex with it, and the citric acid forms silver citrate which has good solubility as well. Marshall On 8/6/2012 6:08 PM, brick...@aol.com wrote: Is Gatorade still recommended to mix CS? High fructose corn syrup is now considered to be bad which Gatorade is made with. Brickey No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1424 / Virus Database: 2437/5182 - Release Date: 08/06/12
Re: CSRe: silver-digest Digest V2012 #292
Hi Ian, Those of us who have already been through what you are going through in terms of choosing which CS is the best will tell you the same, brew some at home with care and attention. The whole setup if done very simple with 3 nine volt batteries and a resister will cost you the same as one single bottle of commercial CS. And since it will have ionic and particulate elements will serve to provide you with both and you ca produce as much as you like then! And also care and share with those around you. If you are able, you could change the setup for a 'fancy' current controlled one with one single ic with three pins that costs under 2 dollars Or buy one of the excellent units some of our members offer. Please do not be put off with making your own CS, most commercial stuff will only be at best as good as your own home made stuff ( if made well). The tetra silver is one people had reported good results with. Other than that there's not much to differentiate the others other than marketing and sometimes misrepresentation of their product. There's very little difference in genuinely colloidal silver with ionic and some particulate matter. So there's no need to over analyse the situation. Best of luck Peace to all Asif. On 28 Jul 2012, at 03:09, Ian MacLeod heyo...@crestviewcable.com wrote: I've a question I hope someone can answer. One seller of nanosilver, Purest Colloids. Internet URL is purestcolloids.com, says that theirs is a better-than-most colloidal silver because their silver particles are smaller, and there is almost no ionic silver in the solution. They call it mesosilver because of the process used. They have all sorts of studies available, plus the make other colloidal suspensions than just silver. Anyway, some others insist that ionic silver is the part that has the antibiotic effect. THAT can be made at home, I know, but it's silver dissolved in solution, it is NOT a colloidal suspension. So which one should we buy? I'm looking at the added expense of buying one of each and using both. ONE of them has to be wrong, but which one? Thanks! Ian On 7/27/2012 7:51 AM, silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com wrote:
Re: CSpromising late lyme cure
Hi, I found this on : http://www.eytonsearth.org/forum/about7.html “ The original post on the formula for Argyria Cured: About two months ago, I was contacted by an individual with an amazing story: This individual utilized 32 ounces of silver chloride daily for 2.5 years and cured a very late stage case of Nuerosyphilis. The silver chloride was produced in ten minute batches using the 3 nine's method of production with no controls. I have since spent quite some time on the phone with this individual. The second part of this story: By ingesting large amounts of a high concentration silver salt, the individual acquired argyria. It was likely a bit more severe than Stan Jones, but certainly not an aggravated condition like Rosemary Jacobs' agryria. It was bad enough to turn heads in a grocery store. However, this individual didn't stop with eliminating his lethal condition. He also reversed the argyria. Many have long discussed the possibility of using Vitamin E, Selenium, and other supplements with a cleansing program to reverse the condition, however, we've never seen someone actually accomplish it. It took six months of dedicated effort, but the individual's skin complexion returned to absolute normal. Furthermore, the individual stopped taking the supplement program, resumed silver use, and his skin began to change once again. Whereby he resumed the supplementation, and the skin returned to normal. Apparently, the silver build-up in the body when it reaches high enough levels to deposit visible silver in the skin is quite extensive. The process of removal is slow, but effective. Furthermore, the individual actually had spirochetes in the eyes; the only thing that remains is slight scar tissue, and the individual, who was losing the use of the eyes, can see perfectly fine. The list of symptoms with such an event is extensive. The individual was near liver failure, and within three months of initial silver use, was all but completely restored to full health. Fevers spiking 3-5 times daily, a chronic and severe lung infection, inflammation of the liver, shut down of the body's elimination systems, loss of reduction of cognitive ability, extreme and disabling fatigue are among the symptoms that fell to the power of this... Silver Chloride. Obviously silver choride as a product is not equal to the superior isolated silver products. However, the question remains: Would consuming isolated silver have delivered enough actual silver content to the body to be effective in this case? A Cure for Argyria: The Formula 3 Vitamin E 1000 mg 100% Natural d-alpha Tocopheryl ( note that this can be a dangerous amount of Vitamin E ) 1 Selenium 100mcg yeast free 2 vegetarian Vitamin C 1000 mg 1 teaspoon MSM organic 1 super potency Vitamin B 100, 1 teaspoon of Kelp powder: Taken every morning with 2 16oz glasses of water, with close to a total of 3/4 of a gallon drinking water a day. “ all credits to the original poster peace to all, Asif. From: Harold Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 6:39 PM To: PTFerrance ; silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSpromising late lyme cure Go to Silver Archives and search ; : Selenium for Argyria http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html PTFerrance Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 8:12 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSpromising late lyme cure I remember reading an article of a man who got rid of the argeria but I have not been able to find the link again. You might want to try. PT
Re: CSArthritis
Dear all, Thank you so much for your suggestions. I will advise the individual involved and report the outcome to add to the anecdotal database! Peace to all Asif. On 30 May 2012, at 21:32, Marshall mdud...@king-cart.com wrote: CMO only stops the damage being done by the autoimmune attack. It does nothing to repair the damage. The best way to handle it is use a 3 step protocol. 1. Get rid of any pathogens that could be triggering an autoimmune response. CS is one very good way to do that. 2. Once clear of pathogens, take the course of CMO. 3. Once finished with that, take Glucosamine sulfate and chondroitin and/or other supplements to rebuild the damage. My arthritis did not completely go away until around 3 months after finishing the CMO, as it took that long to rebuild the joints. Marshall On 5/30/2012 3:43 PM, brick...@aol.com wrote: I just finished a bottle of CMO (30) capsules because my good knee caused so much pain I had to use the artificial knee going up and down stairs. PT said to go up with the good knee and down with the bad knee.The day after finishing the bottle I could go up the stairs with the hurt knee. I thought it did not work, but it was a delayed reaction. I use Puritan Pride CMO that used to be about $6 a bottle Brickey. In a message dated 5/30/2012 8:26:42 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mdud...@king-cart.com writes: cetylmyristoleate. It resets the body's immune system so it stops attacking your joints so they can be repaired. Lyme causes this autoimmune response
CSArthritis
Hi silver list, I wonder if you you guys have any good treatments for arthritis in the joints. Knees and fingers especially. The person has been taking around 10ml of 15ppm silver once a day and reports its helps. The person is being put on increased painkillers for this condition which has its own side effects . So I seek the wisdom of the usually very helpful people here. Thank you. Peace to all. Asif. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: CS Macular Degeneration
HI,
While I agree with this in principle, I would say build or buy the frex unit as
it will provide the waveforns as intended, computer soundcards will greatly
distort square waves and also their power output is only appropriate as a
signal source, it will need amplification correctly, please do not use a HIFI
or car amp as these will not do the job.
There is a easy to build circuit on the frex website.
also remember that computer soundcards are limited to producing 1-20,000 hz
which will cover some frquencies that may be required and not others. so a
cheap signal generator may be in order instead.
for anyone who is interested in this idea fUrther, let me know and I can
provide my research into the matter to those interested without boring everyone
else with frequency generaters in the silver list
peace to all
asif.
From: Neville Munn
Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 9:54 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CSRe: CS Macular Degeneration
Will do.
N.
Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 07:00:49 -0700
From: ptf2...@bellsouth.net
Subject: RE: CSRe: CS Macular Degeneration
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Neville, if you have an interest in Rife technology you might want to
wander over to www.frex.com.au. There is a Rife program there you can run
through your computer using sticky pads, foot baths, etc.
PT
--- On Thu, 5/3/12, Neville Munn one.red...@hotmail.com wrote:
From: Neville Munn one.red...@hotmail.com
Subject: RE: CSRe: CS Macular Degeneration
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Thursday, May 3, 2012, 3:27 AM
LOL...I like the way you think, never volunteer information is my motto
{when it comes to the establishment that is}.
Got a query about the dog? Do you know if that lump was in fact a
cancer, or just a cyst?
I'm not doubting you I hasten to add, just need to know if it was
definitely cancer, or a cyst.
Our daughters dog has developed a lump, but the Vet said it was only a
fatty cyst and there was no cause for concern as these forms of cysts were
common in some dogs as the dog ages apparently. It has not gotten any larger
over 12 months.
Cysts can normally be moved around under the skin with a finger,
whereas cancers can't. That is one way a Dr can identify if a lump is a cancer
apparently, from our other daughters diagnosis. The lump she had on the top of
her skull remained unchanged for several years, then for some reason it grew
larger until it finally burst through the skin upon her fiddling with it one
night, expelling the liquid AND the sac, it has never returned. I'd like to
say that my administration of orally consumed EIS/CS instigated the expulsion,
but there is no way I can prove that. I had to state the EIS thing because she
had that lump for several years, and it seemed coincidental that after
administration of EIS, it expelled itself. Who knows...?
That's a pretty amazing story about your dog nonetheless, and well
worth remembering regarding Rife equipment.
I've read a fair bit about Rife and his machinery over the years, but
found it rather cost prohibitive against available finances.
Thanks for sharing that Brickey.
N.
From: brick...@aol.com
Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 21:52:00 -0400
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CSRe: CS Macular Degeneration
Just had an eye test with the VA and I asked how my Macular
Degeneration was progressing. DR said you don't have Macular Degeneration. Last
year my old eye DR said I did.
I rubbed Brooks CS/DMSO/Glycerin mix on my eyelids daily and used two
LED units I got from V over my eyes at least once a week. LEDs were 660 and
880nm. I have lens implanted because of cataracts and saw what Sol wrote about
DMSO caution on lens implants. At my age (80) I don't have time to wait for
someone to study the problem. I didn't tell the DR what I did and my wife said
that I should have. I learned to keep quite unless asked. People on this list
may be willing to listen
My dog had a growth on his cheek about the size of a tennis ball. I
waited several months and it looked like it was growing. I used my GB=4000 and
MOPA plasma tube set for the carcinoma frequency DR Rife found to work and ran
a program of sets of 429hz for 30 minutes. The growth was gone the next day!
Brickey
Re: CStooth problems- can EIS help? Double A Battery /Ode
Only the positive electrode will yield or precipitate its metal so if it's bare
copper then you will get the copper mixture and the other metals that are mixed
in that copper mixture
Bear in mind that copper doesn't yield so easily in this manner, it may be that
some of the more unwanted stuff leaches out first
I would say if you're going to use a Godzilla type device, to make sure that
the positive electrode is not toxic, so maybe use a small 2-3 inch silver wire
in the end and wrap it up and then place that near the affected area
It is for these reasons that for skin use I use tens machine pads.
I have found that myself and others have benefitted from beck type devices.
I haven't used a Godzilla type device but I am on the microelectrocity yahoo
forum and the feedback seems decidedly positive to the point that I would
definitely try it out sometime.
To the point where it's simple and cheap construction and easy and safe
application and reportedly quick results means that the beck/rife/Clark devices
aren't even mentioned anymore!
Food For thought!
Peace to all!
Asif.
Sent from my iPhone
On 30 Apr 2012, at 13:24, zzekel...@aol.com wrote:
In a message dated 4/30/2012 7:15:10 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
odecoy...@windstream.net writes:
If you soak the cloth in EIS [CS] as the electrolyte, and [or] use silver
wire... it will increase the current flow and carry silver ions into the
flesh. [Iontoporosis]
Silver Ions are touted to stimulate the production of stem cells.
Concentration of the electrolyte, voltage, pad area and distance between pads
all interdependently control how much current flows.
Good grief !! why didn't I think of that...I use EIS all the time. { love my
silver puppy } I never thought of dipping the cloth ends in it... or using
silver wire as the current carrier .
Now a question---does the current carry copper from the lamp wire into
the area being treated
Times like this I am sorry I hated school so much I majored in art just to
get through. Would rather have spent my days riding my horse lounging in
the woods.Now all the sciences intrigue me I'm learningLois
Thanks to all the science smart folks on this group . { the other groups
Im on }
Re: CSTel - What PPM is your CS?
Agreed , I distill the water twice In the first distill I allow the water to boil for at least ten minutes with the Condensing unit unattached so that Anything that has a boiling point less than the tap water would have hopefully reduced significantly by then. I found this helped a lot. On 17 Apr 2012, at 17:04, Sam Nabors samuelnab...@yahoo.com wrote: home distillers can't get tap water down to 0ppm (my distilled water is 2ppm) so what I do is run it through a zero water pitcher(deionized water) first and then distill it. That gets it down to 0ppm. From: Tel Tofflemire telt...@yahoo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 9:49 PM Subject: Re: CSTel - What PPM is your CS? My CS is mostly from 10 ppm to 15 ppm The higher the PPM the easier it is to dilute it with Pure Steam Distilled water, ( But be careful it will lower the PPM too much if your not careful ) do it real slow and keep testing it. Tel Tofflemire From: David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 1:05 PM Subject: CSTel - What PPM is your CS? Hi Tel, What PPM is your CS? As far as I know you have the cheapest price for people who want to buy in gallons. Some people who ask me don't want to mess with making it, so it is good to know the alternative. David
Re: CSFirst Batch of CS
I would decant into the final vessel and stop just before the sludge starts pouring out. I do not believe the floaters at the top should be a problem Also make sure you wipe and clean your electrodes even mid cycle so that the sludge is at a minimum If you're excessively creating sludge then you may wish to lower your current a bit. I would go no higher than 1ma per square inch squared maximum. For example I brew with a 6 inch squared surface area and I brew at 2.5 ma roughly with constant current control. And it doesn't turn yellow, however whenever I approach 1ma per square inch squared then the liquid will colour slightly towards amber. Sent from my iPhone On 10 Mar 2012, at 15:43, CT ch...@saucyenterprizes.com wrote: Hello all, I just made my first batch of CS. I think it came out pretty good, but now I am left with a quandary: I have some thick silvery sludge at the bottom of my jar and some smaller flakey silver floating on top of the CS liquid. I don’t have any “approved” filtration method in place and I would like to decant the liquid, however I am tempted to paper-towel the top of the liquid to remove the flakey pieces. I think I can decant without getting any of the bottom sludge into the new container. Any advice would be very appreciated. Thanks, Chris Thomas
Re: CSFirst Batch of CS
There are various treatments for warts which have been discussed previously including electrical based devices. Worth a look through the archives On 10 Mar 2012, at 17:26, CT ch...@saucyenterprizes.com wrote: Thanks for the response Asif, I did, indeed, wipe the negative electrode silver clean mid-cycle. I think, all-in-all it was a pretty successful batch and I had my first “swallow” this morning. I took about 1/2 ounce shot, held it in my mouth for about 5 min and then swallowed. No immediate reactions. I have a wart on one finger that I will be watching as sort of the “test results area.” I am generally healthy however and wonder what sort of initial program dosage I should go on. I was planning on 1 ounce daily (1/2 morn and 1/2 night). Any thoughts or suggestions on this? Thanks again to all, CT I would decant into the final vessel and stop just before the sludge starts pouring out. I do not believe the floaters at the top should be a problem Also make sure you wipe and clean your electrodes even mid cycle so that the sludge is at a minimum If you're excessively creating sludge then you may wish to lower your current a bit. I would go no higher than 1ma per square inch squared maximum. For example I brew with a 6 inch squared surface area and I brew at 2.5 ma roughly with constant current control. And it doesn't turn yellow, however whenever I approach 1ma per square inch squared then the liquid will colour slightly towards amber. Sent from my iPhone On 10 Mar 2012, at 15:43, CT ch...@saucyenterprizes.com wrote: First Batch of CS Hello all, I just made my first batch of CS. I think it came out pretty good, but now I am left with a quandary: I have some thick silvery sludge at the bottom of my jar and some smaller flakey silver floating on top of the CS liquid. I don’t have any “approved” filtration method in place and I would like to decant the liquid, however I am tempted to paper-towel the top of the liquid to remove the flakey pieces. I think I can decant without getting any of the bottom sludge into the new container. Any advice would be very appreciated. Thanks, Chris Thomas
Re: CSSource of Silver Strips
HI Can anyone recommend a supplier in the UK for a decent silver flat sheet for brewing something between 2 to 5 inches wide? I did try my local jeweller / smelter but he contaminated it with i assume is lubricating fluid, (i provided some Canadian maples for this purpose), no amount of keeping it in vinegar Or Cola for its phosphoric acid could rid it of the crap that would effuse out in the brew!...even though they came out super shiny!. i have bought from sweetwater before and they are ok for regular strips but are very pricey!.. We dont have as many CS brewers here in the UK so i suppose the price reflects demand. if i get desperate then i may have to melt some myself in which case any pointers!.. regards, peace to all. Asif. From: Tel Tofflemire Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 3:35 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSSource of Silver Strips CCSilver.com Tel Tofflemire Dewey, AZ. From: marshall nelson mnels...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 4:15 PM Subject: CSSource of Silver Strips Please help! I need more silver strips. I use 1/2 inch by 6 inch strips. What is the least expensive source of 99.99 pure silver strips? Thanks in advance! Marshall Nelson
Re: CSSource of Silver Strips
He did say that lubricant was involved but it's designed to burn off with the heat since the metal is heated to soften it He was adamant that there should not be any residue , but clearly results show otherwise I even suspected that the silver may have been swapped out but I trust this person and he has earned my trust and my silver kit said it was silver but it cannot really differentiate between sterling and pure so no point in that. I have boiled it in vinegar and even cola for half a hour! And then scrubbed them again to remove any silver compounds formed by contact with the acids. I will try the oven. Any what about time? How long? Thank you. Sent from my iPhone On 1 Mar 2012, at 14:07, gaiac...@gmail.com gaiac...@gmail.com wrote: Try putting the strips in the oven. Silver won't melt at oven temps and it should burn off whatever he put on it. I can't imagine what he put on--there was no need to add anything if he was thinning out a piece of silver, unless he has some sort of hydraulic press or roller that deposited lubricant to the silver. Odd, though. I've never seen anyone do that before. ---Original Message--- I did try my local jeweller / smelter but he contaminated it with i assume is lubricating fluid, (i provided some Canadian maples for this purpose), no amount of keeping it in vinegar Or Cola for its phosphoric acid could rid it of the crap that would effuse out in the brew!...even though they came out super shiny!.
Re: CSSource of Silver Strips
Ok will give it a go Will this not react with the silver ? Sent from my iPhone On 1 Mar 2012, at 15:30, Marshall mdud...@king-cart.com wrote: Go to the auto parts store and get a bottle of degreaser. That will take the oils off very well. Keep off hands or it will really dry them out. Marshall On 3/1/2012 9:07 AM, gaiac...@gmail.com wrote: Try putting the strips in the oven. Silver won't melt at oven temps and it should burn off whatever he put on it. I can't imagine what he put on--there was no need to add anything if he was thinning out a piece of silver, unless he has some sort of hydraulic press or roller that deposited lubricant to the silver. Odd, though. I've never seen anyone do that before. ---Original Message--- I did try my local jeweller / smelter but he contaminated it with i assume is lubricating fluid, (i provided some Canadian maples for this purpose), no amount of keeping it in vinegar Or Cola for its phosphoric acid could rid it of the crap that would effuse out in the brew!...even though they came out super shiny!.
Re: CSSource of Silver Strips
The reason for suspecting lubricant is that I dont expect anything other than silver to be present. Since we know lubrication was involved that's the reasoning. As for the brewing, I get almost wax type stuff coming off the wire and makes the water opaque and dirty I am aware of the ion cloud but this is not that , after swapping the electrodes for the commercially bought silver electrode everything was as expected This really irked me since I was very new to brewing cs and assumed it was something I was doing wrong! Sent from my iPhone On 1 Mar 2012, at 15:44, gaiac...@gmail.com gaiac...@gmail.com wrote: His last annealing should have burnt it off then, unless he lubricated it and made one more pass through a press and then he didn't heat it to soften it. The heating is to soften the metal, then he'd put it through a roller or press, which would have work hardened it. He could have left it hard or resoftened it for you, but in any case he should have burnt it off for you when he was finally done. There's nothing he could have added that should have 'melded' INTO the metal. What is it, exactly, that you are experiencing, that proves to you the lubricant is still there? Hard to say exactly how long you need to leave it in the oven, because as I said (from me being a silversmith) there shouldn't be anything on there to get rid of. But however long you leave it--and hour?--it won't hurt the silver. Try 350 degrees, unless he made the metal VERY thin for you. How thick is the strip? If you have a small torch, or one of those kitchen torches, you could quickly pass the silver through the flame--IF it's not too thin, the flame will not hurt the silver and should burn off anything exterior that is on the silver. But anything he could have put on the silver should be able to be removed by simple cleaning. Are you sure you are not seeing a smooth, flat, non-silvery look and thinking that is the lubricant? Sometimes when you manipulate silver a lot it takes on a different color than that of a shiny new coin. It's a flatter, duller silver--unless you polish it back to bright. But I wouldn't think your jeweler would have polished it for you. No need to do that for your use. Did he perhaps polish it up so it was shiny again when he gave it back to you? Sometimes stainless steel pads are used to shine silver to bright. Maybe somehow you are seeing that? Though that, again, like any lubricant, should have come off with the cleaning you did. Samala, Renee ---Original Message--- I have boiled it in vinegar and even cola for half a hour! And then scrubbed them again to remove any silver compounds formed by contact with the acids. I will try the oven. Any what about time? How long?
Re: CSSource of Silver Strips
I have some brake/ clutch cleaner lying around will that do instead? Sent from my iPhone On 1 Mar 2012, at 15:53, Marshall mdud...@king-cart.com wrote: No, there are very few things that will react with pure silver. Nitric acid and sulfur are the only ones that come to mind. They will have two kinds, a water based and a hydrocarbon based. Whichever you use, make sure you rinse it well. Marshall On 3/1/2012 10:32 AM, asif nathekar wrote: Ok will give it a go Will this not react with the silver ? Sent from my iPhone On 1 Mar 2012, at 15:30, Marshall mdud...@king-cart.com wrote: Go to the auto parts store and get a bottle of degreaser. That will take the oils off very well. Keep off hands or it will really dry them out. Marshall On 3/1/2012 9:07 AM, gaiac...@gmail.com wrote: Try putting the strips in the oven. Silver won't melt at oven temps and it should burn off whatever he put on it. I can't imagine what he put on--there was no need to add anything if he was thinning out a piece of silver, unless he has some sort of hydraulic press or roller that deposited lubricant to the silver. Odd, though. I've never seen anyone do that before. ---Original Message--- I did try my local jeweller / smelter but he contaminated it with i assume is lubricating fluid, (i provided some Canadian maples for this purpose), no amount of keeping it in vinegar Or Cola for its phosphoric acid could rid it of the crap that would effuse out in the brew!...even though they came out super shiny!.
Re: CSSource of Silver Strips
By solvent can I use propyl alcohol or clutch/ brake cleaner? Sent from my iPhone On 1 Mar 2012, at 20:55, Dan Nave bhangcha...@gmail.com wrote: I would degrease with a solvent if possible, rub with paper towels. Rinse with water. Clean with rubbing alcohol and a clean white paper towel. Rinse with distilled water. Clean with H2O2 and paper towel. Rinse with distilled water several times. Don't touch it with your fingers during this process. Also, be extra diligent with cleaning the edges. If that does not work see if you can locate an ultrasonic cleaner and work that into the cleaning process. Dan On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 10:47 AM, gaiac...@gmail.com gaiac...@gmail.com wrote: Ah. Well then if you are getting those results there must be, as Marshall said, an oil based residue. Heat or a good oil degreaser should do the trick. Heat will burn it off, the degreaser will wash it off. I've manipulated silver via many means and never ever put a lubricant on, but then I'm more into 'hand work'. Your jeweler may have done it the fastest way, which was probably by a machine that by oiling, made the process easier for him. But none of the lubricant should have embedded itself into the silver, so once cleaned you should be good to go. Please let us know how it turns out. Samala, Renee ---Original Message--- The reason for suspecting lubricant is that I dont expect anything other than silver to be present. Since we know lubrication was involved that's the reasoning. As for the brewing, I get almost wax type stuff coming off the wire and makes the water opaque and dirty I am aware of the ion cloud but this is not that , after swapping the electrodes for the commercially bought silver electrode everything was as expected This really irked me since I was very new to brewing cs and assumed it was something I was doing wrong!
Re: CSSource of Silver Strips
Ok thanks Sent from my iPhone On 1 Mar 2012, at 22:39, Marshall mdud...@king-cart.com wrote: You might want to look at the ingredients, this one is at http://www.jamesbriggs.co.uk/sds/bclnc5.pdf That one contains acetone, which in and of itself is a very good degreaser, which is also water soluble, making it ideal. That one also contains propanol alcohol, and light naptha, which is lighter fluid. All of these should evaporate completely if pure. Marshall On 3/1/2012 5:29 PM, asif nathekar wrote: By solvent can I use propyl alcohol or clutch/ brake cleaner? Sent from my iPhone On 1 Mar 2012, at 20:55, Dan Nave bhangcha...@gmail.com wrote: I would degrease with a solvent if possible, rub with paper towels. Rinse with water. Clean with rubbing alcohol and a clean white paper towel. Rinse with distilled water. Clean with H2O2 and paper towel. Rinse with distilled water several times. Don't touch it with your fingers during this process. Also, be extra diligent with cleaning the edges. If that does not work see if you can locate an ultrasonic cleaner and work that into the cleaning process. Dan On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 10:47 AM, gaiac...@gmail.com gaiac...@gmail.com wrote: Ah. Well then if you are getting those results there must be, as Marshall said, an oil based residue. Heat or a good oil degreaser should do the trick. Heat will burn it off, the degreaser will wash it off. I've manipulated silver via many means and never ever put a lubricant on, but then I'm more into 'hand work'. Your jeweler may have done it the fastest way, which was probably by a machine that by oiling, made the process easier for him. But none of the lubricant should have embedded itself into the silver, so once cleaned you should be good to go. Please let us know how it turns out. Samala, Renee ---Original Message--- The reason for suspecting lubricant is that I dont expect anything other than silver to be present. Since we know lubrication was involved that's the reasoning. As for the brewing, I get almost wax type stuff coming off the wire and makes the water opaque and dirty I am aware of the ion cloud but this is not that , after swapping the electrodes for the commercially bought silver electrode everything was as expected This really irked me since I was very new to brewing cs and assumed it was something I was doing wrong!
Re: CSInterview on One Radio Network
Hi Andre, Here are some points : 1 ) Your brewing vessel should be very clean, and your silver should also be very clean, meaning no oils from fingers e.t.c. 2) Use a very very good distilled water, preferably double distilled, I distill my own and single distill never ever works well. I have had this advice from others too. 3) Use a good meter to check the quality of your water and also the end result. the water distilled water shouldn't have a reading of more than 1 us or ppm. 4 ) Always clean the electrodes between brews. 5 ) If all that fails, call someone at Silvergen, Trem has earned a good reputation for a reason!.. Give that a go and let us know. Good luck!. Peace to all, Asif. -- From: André Juthe andre.ju...@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2012 12:54 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSInterview on One Radio Network Hi dear friends of CS, I have just tried my SG6 from www.silvergen.com. I chose that one although it was expensive after reading a lot of about different generators and it always got positive reviews and positive comments. However, my first try was a bit disappointing. It took very long time do to it, and it it swims around silverflakes on the surface and bigger flakes lies at the bottom and I will have to filter it before use. Since I have never done this before I do not really know what to expect. Is this the way it should be? Kind regards André -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=subscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSInterview on One Radio Network
My friend has a sg6 unit and he does get some small bits at the bottom of the
brewing vessel.
I would expect nearly all polarity switching unit to produce some silver fluff
as when the polarity switches the build up on the electrodes would be flung off
. And would collect at the bottom.
I wouldn't consider it a problem, just pour out the cs in a bottle and leave
and discard the water at the bottom with the fluff.
Sent from my iPhone
On 25 Feb 2012, at 15:15, André Juthe andre.ju...@gmail.com wrote:
Ok Kathy so you have never had any flakes of silver swimming around,
not even small ones?
/André
2012/2/25 Kathryn Neff n...@swtexas.net:
Hi: I have had my Silvergen for about a year and have not had any of those
problems with it. I previously had one of their first models and this new
one is great. The one thing that was wrong with it was that the paddle did
not work. I called them and they sent out another one right away and I
shipped the faulty one back. They also sent me two more silver wires extra
for my trouble. I found them caring about their product. Perhaps a call
to them might help in finding out the problem. I have good clear CS from
that machine.
Kathy Neff
-Original Message- From: André Juthe
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2012 6:54 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSInterview on One Radio Network
Hi dear friends of CS,
I have just tried my SG6 from www.silvergen.com. I chose that one
although it was expensive after reading a lot of about different
generators and it always got positive reviews and positive comments.
However, my first try was a bit disappointing. It took very long time
do to it, and it it swims around silverflakes on the surface and
bigger flakes lies at the bottom and I will have to filter it before
use. Since I have never done this before I do not really know what to
expect. Is this the way it should be?
Kind regards
André
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Re: CSInterview on One Radio Network
I would say buy a distiller on a well known auction website and look to pay upto 200 dollars max but remember to double distill it makes all the difference I clean with vinegar or liquid washing up soap that doesn't have any special technologies that leave any residue and then give a final rinse with single distilled water and I use a green plastic slightly abrasive pan scourer with no cleaning agents to scrub with. I understand that the washing up soap has salt in it which May react with the silver to produce a compound on areas the two have met. But I use it anyway as it has the best cleaning result Perhaps our more knowledgeable members could help me understand this whether this is true or not. Peace to all Sent from my iPhone On 25 Feb 2012, at 16:03, André Juthe andre.ju...@gmail.com wrote: Ok, thanks for all the comments. I have two other questions: (1) What is the simplest and cheapest way to distill water ) (buying from a drugstore will be expensive in the long run) (2) What is the best way to clean the silver wires between the brews ? Should any substance be used? /André 2012/2/25 jaxi jaxi.sch...@gmail.com: Buy a new vessel to brew in. That makes a HUGE difference and bending the wires could totally be the reason for what happened. Jaxi 2012/2/25 André Juthe andre.ju...@gmail.com Thanks Asif for your response. My distilled water was as good it can be since I bought it from drugstore and I hade cleaned the vessel before use. However, I had to bent the wires since the vessel was to shallow and they were more than 1,5 inch apart at the end Perhaps that could be an explanation? /Andre 2012/2/25 Asif Nathekar asifnathe...@hotmail.com: Hi Andre, Here are some points : 1 ) Your brewing vessel should be very clean, and your silver should also be very clean, meaning no oils from fingers e.t.c. 2) Use a very very good distilled water, preferably double distilled, I distill my own and single distill never ever works well. I have had this advice from others too. 3) Use a good meter to check the quality of your water and also the end result. the water distilled water shouldn't have a reading of more than 1 us or ppm. 4 ) Always clean the electrodes between brews. 5 ) If all that fails, call someone at Silvergen, Trem has earned a good reputation for a reason!.. Give that a go and let us know. Good luck!. Peace to all, Asif. -- From: André Juthe andre.ju...@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2012 12:54 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSInterview on One Radio Network Hi dear friends of CS, I have just tried my SG6 from www.silvergen.com. I chose that one although it was expensive after reading a lot of about different generators and it always got positive reviews and positive comments. However, my first try was a bit disappointing. It took very long time do to it, and it it swims around silverflakes on the surface and bigger flakes lies at the bottom and I will have to filter it before use. Since I have never done this before I do not really know what to expect. Is this the way it should be? Kind regards André -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=subscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSInterview on One Radio Network
Also if the silver electrodes are not reasonably parallel then you will get uneven wear and also inconsistent brews as the total square area on the electrode will be at differing points, some areas will under precipitate and some will under precipitate the silver both are bad from a consistency point of view and can give a bad batch depending on how bent the wires are If you need to, cut and shorten the electrodes , but ensure they are as parallel as possible Sent from my iPhone On 25 Feb 2012, at 16:03, André Juthe andre.ju...@gmail.com wrote: Ok, thanks for all the comments. I have two other questions: (1) What is the simplest and cheapest way to distill water ) (buying from a drugstore will be expensive in the long run) (2) What is the best way to clean the silver wires between the brews ? Should any substance be used? /André 2012/2/25 jaxi jaxi.sch...@gmail.com: Buy a new vessel to brew in. That makes a HUGE difference and bending the wires could totally be the reason for what happened. Jaxi 2012/2/25 André Juthe andre.ju...@gmail.com Thanks Asif for your response. My distilled water was as good it can be since I bought it from drugstore and I hade cleaned the vessel before use. However, I had to bent the wires since the vessel was to shallow and they were more than 1,5 inch apart at the end Perhaps that could be an explanation? /Andre 2012/2/25 Asif Nathekar asifnathe...@hotmail.com: Hi Andre, Here are some points : 1 ) Your brewing vessel should be very clean, and your silver should also be very clean, meaning no oils from fingers e.t.c. 2) Use a very very good distilled water, preferably double distilled, I distill my own and single distill never ever works well. I have had this advice from others too. 3) Use a good meter to check the quality of your water and also the end result. the water distilled water shouldn't have a reading of more than 1 us or ppm. 4 ) Always clean the electrodes between brews. 5 ) If all that fails, call someone at Silvergen, Trem has earned a good reputation for a reason!.. Give that a go and let us know. Good luck!. Peace to all, Asif. -- From: André Juthe andre.ju...@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2012 12:54 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSInterview on One Radio Network Hi dear friends of CS, I have just tried my SG6 from www.silvergen.com. I chose that one although it was expensive after reading a lot of about different generators and it always got positive reviews and positive comments. However, my first try was a bit disappointing. It took very long time do to it, and it it swims around silverflakes on the surface and bigger flakes lies at the bottom and I will have to filter it before use. Since I have never done this before I do not really know what to expect. Is this the way it should be? Kind regards André -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=subscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CS130V CS Generator
For those who asked. http://silvercentral.org/systems/130vdc.htm Sent from my iPhone -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CSnebuliser
Hi again!, Can anyone recommend a good nebuliser, under £100 pounds that I can buy here in the Uk? We have bought 3 from china via EBAY and arrive faulty or soon become defective... False economy!... thanks
Re: CSBeck zapper
website not working.maybe sold or incorrect -- From: PTFerrance ptf2...@bellsouth.net Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 2:28 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSBeck zapper Another website, www.frex.com has a set of the zapper frequencies in the free software you can download. Just hook up an amp and some wires and electrodes (sponges, handhelds or otherwise) and you are good to go. PT -Original Message- From: Dan Nave [mailto:bhangcha...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 11:28 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSBeck zapper I just made one using a 555 timer chip as a square wave oscillator operating at about 30KHz. This is the same as her old schematic for a zapper. I think there is a 1 K ohm resistor in series with each electrode. I guess that is as clear as mud... Nowadays the zapper they sell is much more sophisticated but I don't know if it is any better or not. But much more expensive as it is a really fancy electronic device. Dan On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 10:05 PM, Joyce Miller jmillerwo...@gmail.com wrote: Where did you get your zapper? I use Dr. Clark's liver and gall bladder cleanse, and it always says to zap for a week before doing so. I had no idea where to get a zapper or what it entailed to use it, so since my health adviser said I could go ahead and use the cleanse, I did, and it worked very well. But it has to be done every couple of months at first and then less and less frequently. So please tell us more about zappers . . . thanks, Joyce On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 9:40 PM, Dan Nave bhangcha...@gmail.com wrote: I have used a Hulda Clark type zapper on myself (and others) for shingles. The more longstanding the shingles episode was before zapping, the longer it took to clear it, but it did clear up fresh outbreaks quickly and resolved a longstanding episode (many months long) within a few weeks. My son had an episode of infectious mononucleosis which was diagnosed medically, then I rushed a zapper to him. He used it for 1 course of zapping per Hulda Clark's protocol and then vomited so he didn't do any more zapping. For all practical purposes, the next day he was over it and didn't have any relapse or need any period of extended rest, or anything like that. So, it definitely works on some things. I would not hesitate to use it on someone with boils, but I might also use some other protocols as well, such as colloidal silver orally, and transdermally as a pack mixed with some DMSO. Dan On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 5:17 PM, Asif Nathekar asifnathe...@hotmail.com wrote: I have built one from dr becks reference design that swings from positive 27v to negative 27v square wave at around 4 hz, although one may use up to 100 HZ to reduce some of the undesirable effects I have seen other designs like hulda clarks which pulses a 0v to positive 9-18v in a square wave at around 20-25khz, I have one of these too but neglected to use it. I can see from the discussions and stated science, how the beck zapper could work but require something more than sales brochure to actually beleive that it could work. Basically I require human verification that it works, and how they used it, so that i could use it the same way. I have bought sticky adhesive gel electrode pads for a TENS machine as electrodes.. any testimonies...??? thanks again. -- From: Brooks Bradley bradlebro...@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 11:02 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSBeck zapper The Beck zapper is a very useful device (at least it has been in our researches), however, there are...at present..several other---more recent designs; more powerful in effect than is the original device developed by Robert. A brief survey of the Internet using zapper as the key word, will illicit a number of valid references. If you are unsuccessful email me personally and I will attempt to offer some useful guidance in your search. Sincerely, Brooks Bradley. Harborne Research Foundation. On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 4:53 PM, asif nathekar asifnathe...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi group, Has anyone got any anecdotes for the beck zapper to share As I want to use one on my mate with the boils if it's potentially effective Thanks Sent from my iPhone -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com -- Self care is never a selfish act – it is simply good stewardship of the only gift that I have.” Parker Palmer http://dearjubilee-joyce.blogspot.com
Re: CSnebuliser
ok thanks -- From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 5:39 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSnebuliser yes I have a Medisana which I got from Amazon. dee On 7 Feb 2012, at 17:09, Asif Nathekar wrote: Hi again!, Can anyone recommend a good nebuliser, under £100 pounds that I can buy here in the Uk? We have bought 3 from china via EBAY and arrive faulty or soon become defective... False economy!... thanks -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=subscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSBeck zapper
They have a rife amplifier for sale and also a diagram that can be used by a sound or signal generater , looks like my next project. The ic will do frequencies to 25mhz flat curve! Impressive but most rife frequencies are usually in the audio range so I may use a regular opamp for now to test the concept A regular 741 chip and it's variants will do to 1mhz easily which is what's required, also available and cheap! Will build and see if it has enough voltage and current output to sense a decent tingle at least I tested a car audio amp I had originally bought for this purpose and it's output curve was awful so it wouldn't be a good idea to use it for this purpose since it could either shock you silly or become weak depending on the frequency. This is independent of what your own nerves are sensitive to. So I will stay away from the audio amp since I don't fancy modifying it to make it behave. I may actually use it as an audio amp instead ! Sent from my iPhone On 7 Feb 2012, at 19:52, PTFerrance ptf2...@bellsouth.net wrote: My fault, www.frex.com.au Sorry. PT -Original Message- From: Asif Nathekar [mailto:asifnathe...@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 12:11 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSBeck zapper website not working.maybe sold or incorrect -- From: PTFerrance ptf2...@bellsouth.net Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 2:28 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSBeck zapper Another website, www.frex.com has a set of the zapper frequencies in the free software you can download. Just hook up an amp and some wires and electrodes (sponges, handhelds or otherwise) and you are good to go. PT -Original Message- From: Dan Nave [mailto:bhangcha...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 11:28 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSBeck zapper I just made one using a 555 timer chip as a square wave oscillator operating at about 30KHz. This is the same as her old schematic for a zapper. I think there is a 1 K ohm resistor in series with each electrode. I guess that is as clear as mud... Nowadays the zapper they sell is much more sophisticated but I don't know if it is any better or not. But much more expensive as it is a really fancy electronic device. Dan On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 10:05 PM, Joyce Miller jmillerwo...@gmail.com wrote: Where did you get your zapper? I use Dr. Clark's liver and gall bladder cleanse, and it always says to zap for a week before doing so. I had no idea where to get a zapper or what it entailed to use it, so since my health adviser said I could go ahead and use the cleanse, I did, and it worked very well. But it has to be done every couple of months at first and then less and less frequently. So please tell us more about zappers . . . thanks, Joyce On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 9:40 PM, Dan Nave bhangcha...@gmail.com wrote: I have used a Hulda Clark type zapper on myself (and others) for shingles. The more longstanding the shingles episode was before zapping, the longer it took to clear it, but it did clear up fresh outbreaks quickly and resolved a longstanding episode (many months long) within a few weeks. My son had an episode of infectious mononucleosis which was diagnosed medically, then I rushed a zapper to him. He used it for 1 course of zapping per Hulda Clark's protocol and then vomited so he didn't do any more zapping. For all practical purposes, the next day he was over it and didn't have any relapse or need any period of extended rest, or anything like that. So, it definitely works on some things. I would not hesitate to use it on someone with boils, but I might also use some other protocols as well, such as colloidal silver orally, and transdermally as a pack mixed with some DMSO. Dan On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 5:17 PM, Asif Nathekar asifnathe...@hotmail.com wrote: I have built one from dr becks reference design that swings from positive 27v to negative 27v square wave at around 4 hz, although one may use up to 100 HZ to reduce some of the undesirable effects I have seen other designs like hulda clarks which pulses a 0v to positive 9-18v in a square wave at around 20-25khz, I have one of these too but neglected to use it. I can see from the discussions and stated science, how the beck zapper could work but require something more than sales brochure to actually beleive that it could work. Basically I require human verification that it works, and how they used it, so that i could use it the same way. I have bought sticky adhesive gel electrode pads for a TENS machine as electrodes.. any testimonies...??? thanks again. -- From: Brooks Bradley bradlebro...@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 11:02 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSBeck zapper The Beck
Re: CSBeck zapper
I will report my progress for the groups interest Sent from my iPhone On 7 Feb 2012, at 23:40, PTFerrance ptf2...@bellsouth.net wrote: Sorry, Bil is on a different list... PT -Original Message- From: PTFerrance [mailto:ptf2...@bellsouth.net] Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 6:35 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSBeck zapper It is my understanding that audio amps are inappropriate to do the job... but I'm no expert. Bil Green would be better equipped to answer your questions. PT -Original Message- From: asif nathekar [mailto:asifnathe...@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 5:13 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSBeck zapper They have a rife amplifier for sale and also a diagram that can be used by a sound or signal generater , looks like my next project. The ic will do frequencies to 25mhz flat curve! Impressive but most rife frequencies are usually in the audio range so I may use a regular opamp for now to test the concept A regular 741 chip and it's variants will do to 1mhz easily which is what's required, also available and cheap! Will build and see if it has enough voltage and current output to sense a decent tingle at least I tested a car audio amp I had originally bought for this purpose and it's output curve was awful so it wouldn't be a good idea to use it for this purpose since it could either shock you silly or become weak depending on the frequency. This is independent of what your own nerves are sensitive to. So I will stay away from the audio amp since I don't fancy modifying it to make it behave. I may actually use it as an audio amp instead ! Sent from my iPhone On 7 Feb 2012, at 19:52, PTFerrance ptf2...@bellsouth.net wrote: My fault, www.frex.com.au Sorry. PT -Original Message- From: Asif Nathekar [mailto:asifnathe...@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 12:11 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSBeck zapper website not working.maybe sold or incorrect -- From: PTFerrance ptf2...@bellsouth.net Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 2:28 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSBeck zapper Another website, www.frex.com has a set of the zapper frequencies in the free software you can download. Just hook up an amp and some wires and electrodes (sponges, handhelds or otherwise) and you are good to go. PT -Original Message- From: Dan Nave [mailto:bhangcha...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 11:28 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSBeck zapper I just made one using a 555 timer chip as a square wave oscillator operating at about 30KHz. This is the same as her old schematic for a zapper. I think there is a 1 K ohm resistor in series with each electrode. I guess that is as clear as mud... Nowadays the zapper they sell is much more sophisticated but I don't know if it is any better or not. But much more expensive as it is a really fancy electronic device. Dan On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 10:05 PM, Joyce Miller jmillerwo...@gmail.com wrote: Where did you get your zapper? I use Dr. Clark's liver and gall bladder cleanse, and it always says to zap for a week before doing so. I had no idea where to get a zapper or what it entailed to use it, so since my health adviser said I could go ahead and use the cleanse, I did, and it worked very well. But it has to be done every couple of months at first and then less and less frequently. So please tell us more about zappers . . . thanks, Joyce On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 9:40 PM, Dan Nave bhangcha...@gmail.com wrote: I have used a Hulda Clark type zapper on myself (and others) for shingles. The more longstanding the shingles episode was before zapping, the longer it took to clear it, but it did clear up fresh outbreaks quickly and resolved a longstanding episode (many months long) within a few weeks. My son had an episode of infectious mononucleosis which was diagnosed medically, then I rushed a zapper to him. He used it for 1 course of zapping per Hulda Clark's protocol and then vomited so he didn't do any more zapping. For all practical purposes, the next day he was over it and didn't have any relapse or need any period of extended rest, or anything like that. So, it definitely works on some things. I would not hesitate to use it on someone with boils, but I might also use some other protocols as well, such as colloidal silver orally, and transdermally as a pack mixed with some DMSO. Dan On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 5:17 PM, Asif Nathekar asifnathe...@hotmail.com wrote: I have built one from dr becks reference design that swings from positive 27v to negative 27v square wave at around 4 hz, although one may use up to 100 HZ to reduce some of the undesirable effects I have seen other designs like hulda clarks which pulses a 0v to positive 9-18v
Re: CSBeck zapper
I made my own Zapper both the bob beck type and Hilda Clark type Sorry I cannot recommend places to purchase since commercial units quality vary too much as much as their claims, which is mostly why i made my to be sure of what I have. Sent from my iPhone On 6 Feb 2012, at 04:06, Joyce Miller jmillerwo...@gmail.com wrote: Where did you get your zapper? I use Dr. Clark's liver and gall bladder cleanse, and it always says to zap for a week before doing so. I had no idea where to get a zapper or what it entailed to use it, so since my health adviser said I could go ahead and use the cleanse, I did, and it worked very well. But it has to be done every couple of months at first and then less and less frequently. So please tell us more about zappers . . . thanks, Joyce On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 9:40 PM, Dan Nave bhangcha...@gmail.com wrote: I have used a Hulda Clark type zapper on myself (and others) for shingles. The more longstanding the shingles episode was before zapping, the longer it took to clear it, but it did clear up fresh outbreaks quickly and resolved a longstanding episode (many months long) within a few weeks. My son had an episode of infectious mononucleosis which was diagnosed medically, then I rushed a zapper to him. He used it for 1 course of zapping per Hulda Clark's protocol and then vomited so he didn't do any more zapping. For all practical purposes, the next day he was over it and didn't have any relapse or need any period of extended rest, or anything like that. So, it definitely works on some things. I would not hesitate to use it on someone with boils, but I might also use some other protocols as well, such as colloidal silver orally, and transdermally as a pack mixed with some DMSO. Dan On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 5:17 PM, Asif Nathekar asifnathe...@hotmail.com wrote: I have built one from dr becks reference design that swings from positive 27v to negative 27v square wave at around 4 hz, although one may use up to 100 HZ to reduce some of the undesirable effects I have seen other designs like hulda clarks which pulses a 0v to positive 9-18v in a square wave at around 20-25khz, I have one of these too but neglected to use it. I can see from the discussions and stated science, how the beck zapper could work but require something more than sales brochure to actually beleive that it could work. Basically I require human verification that it works, and how they used it, so that i could use it the same way. I have bought sticky adhesive gel electrode pads for a TENS machine as electrodes.. any testimonies...??? thanks again. -- From: Brooks Bradley bradlebro...@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 11:02 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSBeck zapper The Beck zapper is a very useful device (at least it has been in our researches), however, there are...at present..several other---more recent designs; more powerful in effect than is the original device developed by Robert. A brief survey of the Internet using zapper as the key word, will illicit a number of valid references. If you are unsuccessful email me personally and I will attempt to offer some useful guidance in your search. Sincerely, Brooks Bradley. Harborne Research Foundation. On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 4:53 PM, asif nathekar asifnathe...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi group, Has anyone got any anecdotes for the beck zapper to share As I want to use one on my mate with the boils if it's potentially effective Thanks Sent from my iPhone -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com -- Self care is never a selfish act – it is simply good stewardship of the only gift that I have.” Parker Palmer http://dearjubilee-joyce.blogspot.com www.dearjubilee.com
Re: CSBeck zapper
I have designs for both zappers should anyone require them.
Sent from my iPhone
On 6 Feb 2012, at 04:28, Dan Nave bhangcha...@gmail.com wrote:
I just made one using a 555 timer chip as a square wave oscillator
operating at about 30KHz. This is the same as her old schematic for a
zapper. I think there is a 1 K ohm resistor in series with each
electrode.
I guess that is as clear as mud...
Nowadays the zapper they sell is much more sophisticated but I don't
know if it is any better or not. But much more expensive as it is a
really fancy electronic device.
Dan
On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 10:05 PM, Joyce Miller jmillerwo...@gmail.com wrote:
Where did you get your zapper? I use Dr. Clark's liver and gall
bladder cleanse, and it always says to zap for a week before doing so.
I had no idea where to get a zapper or what it entailed to use it, so
since my health adviser said I could go ahead and use the cleanse, I
did, and it worked very well. But it has to be done every couple of
months at first and then less and less frequently.
So please tell us more about zappers . . .
thanks,
Joyce
On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 9:40 PM, Dan Nave bhangcha...@gmail.com wrote:
I have used a Hulda Clark type zapper on myself (and others) for
shingles. The more longstanding the shingles episode was before
zapping, the longer it took to clear it, but it did clear up fresh
outbreaks quickly and resolved a longstanding episode (many months
long) within a few weeks. My son had an episode of infectious
mononucleosis which was diagnosed medically, then I rushed a zapper to
him. He used it for 1 course of zapping per Hulda Clark's protocol
and then vomited so he didn't do any more zapping. For all practical
purposes, the next day he was over it and didn't have any relapse or
need any period of extended rest, or anything like that. So, it
definitely works on some things. I would not hesitate to use it on
someone with boils, but I might also use some other protocols as well,
such as colloidal silver orally, and transdermally as a pack mixed
with some DMSO.
Dan
On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 5:17 PM, Asif Nathekar asifnathe...@hotmail.com
wrote:
I have built one from dr becks reference design that swings from positive
27v to negative 27v square wave at around 4 hz, although one may use up to
100 HZ to reduce some of the undesirable effects
I have seen other designs like hulda clarks which pulses a 0v to positive
9-18v in a square wave at around 20-25khz, I have one of these too but
neglected to use it.
I can see from the discussions and stated science, how the beck zapper
could work but require something more than sales brochure to actually
beleive that it could work.
Basically I require human verification that it works, and how they used it,
so that i could use it the same way. I have bought sticky adhesive gel
electrode pads for a TENS machine as electrodes..
any testimonies...???
thanks again.
--
From: Brooks Bradley bradlebro...@gmail.com
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 11:02 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSBeck zapper
The Beck zapper is a very useful device (at least it has
been in our researches), however,
there are...at present..several other---more recent designs; more
powerful in effect than is the original
device developed by Robert. A brief survey of the Internet using
zapper as the key word, will illicit
a number of valid references. If you are unsuccessful email me
personally and I will attempt to offer
some useful guidance in your search.
Sincerely,
Brooks Bradley. Harborne Research Foundation.
On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 4:53 PM, asif nathekar asifnathe...@hotmail.com
wrote:
Hi group,
Has anyone got any anecdotes for the beck zapper to share
As I want to use one on my mate with the boils if it's potentially
effective
Thanks
Sent from my iPhone
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Re: CSBeck zapper
I bought a 12 v car speaker amplifier to do this however I felt that the voltage amplitude wouldn't be high enough as it wouldn't go higher than its source power voltage. Also remember that the amplifier will not have a decent flat output curve and will be limited to 100 hz to around 20khz . I even got iPhone software to generate the frequencies for convenience . I recommend the iPhone 4 or similar generation iPod touch because the audio output is of a much better quality and better behaved at a wider range of frequencies than the others in the range. Now I just need some frequencies and a decent amp! On 6 Feb 2012, at 14:28, PTFerrance ptf2...@bellsouth.net wrote: Another website, www.frex.com has a set of the zapper frequencies in the free software you can download. Just hook up an amp and some wires and electrodes (sponges, handhelds or otherwise) and you are good to go. PT -Original Message- From: Dan Nave [mailto:bhangcha...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 11:28 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSBeck zapper I just made one using a 555 timer chip as a square wave oscillator operating at about 30KHz. This is the same as her old schematic for a zapper. I think there is a 1 K ohm resistor in series with each electrode. I guess that is as clear as mud... Nowadays the zapper they sell is much more sophisticated but I don't know if it is any better or not. But much more expensive as it is a really fancy electronic device. Dan On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 10:05 PM, Joyce Miller jmillerwo...@gmail.com wrote: Where did you get your zapper? I use Dr. Clark's liver and gall bladder cleanse, and it always says to zap for a week before doing so. I had no idea where to get a zapper or what it entailed to use it, so since my health adviser said I could go ahead and use the cleanse, I did, and it worked very well. But it has to be done every couple of months at first and then less and less frequently. So please tell us more about zappers . . . thanks, Joyce On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 9:40 PM, Dan Nave bhangcha...@gmail.com wrote: I have used a Hulda Clark type zapper on myself (and others) for shingles. The more longstanding the shingles episode was before zapping, the longer it took to clear it, but it did clear up fresh outbreaks quickly and resolved a longstanding episode (many months long) within a few weeks. My son had an episode of infectious mononucleosis which was diagnosed medically, then I rushed a zapper to him. He used it for 1 course of zapping per Hulda Clark's protocol and then vomited so he didn't do any more zapping. For all practical purposes, the next day he was over it and didn't have any relapse or need any period of extended rest, or anything like that. So, it definitely works on some things. I would not hesitate to use it on someone with boils, but I might also use some other protocols as well, such as colloidal silver orally, and transdermally as a pack mixed with some DMSO. Dan On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 5:17 PM, Asif Nathekar asifnathe...@hotmail.com wrote: I have built one from dr becks reference design that swings from positive 27v to negative 27v square wave at around 4 hz, although one may use up to 100 HZ to reduce some of the undesirable effects I have seen other designs like hulda clarks which pulses a 0v to positive 9-18v in a square wave at around 20-25khz, I have one of these too but neglected to use it. I can see from the discussions and stated science, how the beck zapper could work but require something more than sales brochure to actually beleive that it could work. Basically I require human verification that it works, and how they used it, so that i could use it the same way. I have bought sticky adhesive gel electrode pads for a TENS machine as electrodes.. any testimonies...??? thanks again. -- From: Brooks Bradley bradlebro...@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 11:02 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSBeck zapper The Beck zapper is a very useful device (at least it has been in our researches), however, there are...at present..several other---more recent designs; more powerful in effect than is the original device developed by Robert. A brief survey of the Internet using zapper as the key word, will illicit a number of valid references. If you are unsuccessful email me personally and I will attempt to offer some useful guidance in your search. Sincerely, Brooks Bradley. Harborne Research Foundation. On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 4:53 PM, asif nathekar asifnathe...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi group, Has anyone got any anecdotes for the beck zapper to share As I want to use one on my mate with the boils if it's potentially effective Thanks Sent from my iPhone -- The Silver List
Re: Re: CSHulda clark zapper
For those who asked : For the Hulda clark design of zapper, I used the design of the very good Mr Bruce K. Stenulson Build Your Own Zapper / Pulsed DC CS Generator http://www.stenulson.net/althealth/cspulse.htm although i would remove the LED from the output as it would sink too much power for itself!. I have learnt a lot from this website, although i have my own views which differ to his in some areas, I am very very happy to recommend that one goes and reads and learns wholeheartedly from him and he is very well informed and his work reflects his knowledge and his love for humanity. ( although this is a endorsement of sorts, I am not affiliated with him in any way !) From: Joyce Miller Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 7:13 PM To: asifnathe...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: Re: CSBeck zapper You wrote: I have designs for both zappers should anyone require them. Yes, I would really like to have both designs. Thank you in advance, Joyce Miller jmillerwo...@gmail.com -- I feel an earnest and humble desire, and shall till I die, to increase the stock of harmless cheerfulness - Charles Dickens. http://dearjubilee-joyce.blogspot.com www.dearjubilee.com
Re: CSBoils and infections
I will have a look thank you Sent from my iPhone On 5 Feb 2012, at 12:09, Deborah Gerard devorah...@yahoo.com wrote: Also if you are interested there are groups on Yahoo for Iodine, food grade hydrogen peroxide and the Beck zapper here is the group for the zapper http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/microelectricitygermkiller/ hope it is helpful keep us posted on his progress From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, February 4, 2012 4:21 AM Subject: Re: CSBoils and infections I would mix the CS with DMSO and apply topically. Worked on my son who had a fistula. dee On 3 Feb 2012, at 21:52, asif nathekar wrote: Hi group, A friend has recurrent large and painful boils / infections under his skin which usually spreads but is temporarily treated with a course of three antibiotics. He did try my cs with some but not much success and went back for antibiotics. This time he got them I upped the dose of cs to 500ml per day , which finally did do something and got the infection retreating ! Phew !. But it did recur after two days when he got lax out of overconfidence and stopped the cs. Is there other things I can do like hydrogen peroxide or msm or vitamin c or iodine or something for him ... I Would like some pointers please. As its getting very serious and unmanageable. I have a beck zapper , any advice or anecdotal stories on that . Actual evidence welcome! Thanks. Sent from my iPhone -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSBoils and infections
Yes has three mercury fillings in his mouth and has looked into a dentist who will provide removal and replacement. In the uk most filling preparations have the fluoride conveniently ready mixed, how very kind of them! Because he is looking to avoid fluoride and silver and gold fillings are ridiculously expensive he hasn't got them out yet since an alternative is t available. Sent from my iPhone On 4 Feb 2012, at 01:12, Deborah Gerard devorah...@yahoo.com wrote: Does her have mercury filling's in his mouth? -Original Message- Date: Friday, February 03, 2012 6:40:33 pm To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com From: asif nathekar asifnathe...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: CSBoils and infections He has seriously cut sugar and sugary products, nearly all snack foods completely. Nearly all dairy, eats mutton or chicken once a week and fish once a week and vegetables for the rest. This has been the case for two to three years now. He cannot tolerate dairy and wheat well so things like bread and cereals are out of the question. Does this help? Sent from my iPhone On 3 Feb 2012, at 22:56, Smitty papad...@gmail.com wrote: What is your friend's life stlye diet ? He might do well with a body cleanse. Here is some reading for you = http://curezone.com/forums/search.asp?q=boilsaction=Search Smitty On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 11:52 AM, asif nathekar asifnathe...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi group, A friend has recurrent large and painful boils / infections under his skin which usually spreads but is temporarily treated with a course of three antibiotics. He did try my cs with some but not much success and went back for antibiotics. This time he got them I upped the -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSBoils and infections
He has had childhood immunisations which had mercury in those days. But none since being an adult Mercury hasn't been in the UK's vaccines for a while but we do have aluminium instead which is way more toxic pound for pound He does actively avoid vaccines anyway. Sent from my iPhone On 4 Feb 2012, at 02:21, Neville Munn one.red...@hotmail.com wrote: FWIW, I wouldn't personally be too concerned about fillings, as far as I know whatever mercury was removed upon replacement with alternative fillings will get replaced with most vaccines one gets, if one is into vaccines, and I assume mercury is still in most vaccines, just under a different name. How many shots does one need over a period of time to replace the amount of *possible?* mercury leakage they pulled out of ones face? They rip it out of your face, and put it back in your arm?Over time it's six of one and half a dozen of the other as far as I can see. And as far as I know, *possible?* mercury leakage only occurs with loose fillings, how many people have loose fillings? By the time they may come loose for most people, they are probly at an age whereby they'll need to get them teeth yanked out anyway. Just my two bobs worth and alternative viewpoint as an independent thinker and observer of most things media driven. Stats don't add up for me considering the squilliions of people around the globe who've had the old fashioned fillings for generations. Of course, not denying mercury comes with its own toxicity. Just something to think about. They reckon silver is toxic too rolling eyes. N. Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 17:11:48 -0800 Subject: Re: CSBoils and infections From: devorah...@yahoo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com CC: Does her have mercury filling's in his mouth? -Original Message- Date: Friday, February 03, 2012 6:40:33 pm To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com From: asif nathekar asifnathe...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: CSBoils and infections He has seriously cut sugar and sugary products, nearly all snack foods completely. Nearly all dairy, eats mutton or chicken once a week and fish once a week and vegetables for the rest. This has been the case for two to three years now. He cannot tolerate dairy and wheat well so things like bread and cereals are out of the question. Does this help? Sent from my iPhone On 3 Feb 2012, at 22:56, Smitty papad...@gmail.com wrote: What is your friend's life stlye diet ? He might do well with a body cleanse. Here is some reading for you = http://curezone.com/forums/search.asp?q=boilsaction=Search Smitty On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 11:52 AM, asif nathekar asifnathe...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi group, A friend has recurrent large and painful boils / infections under his skin which usually spreads but is temporarily treated with a course of three antibiotics. He did try my cs with some but not much success and went back for antibiotics. This time he got them I upped the -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CSBeck zapper
Hi group, Has anyone got any anecdotes for the beck zapper to share As I want to use one on my mate with the boils if it's potentially effective Thanks Sent from my iPhone -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSBeck zapper
I have built one from dr becks reference design that swings from positive 27v to negative 27v square wave at around 4 hz, although one may use up to 100 HZ to reduce some of the undesirable effects I have seen other designs like hulda clarks which pulses a 0v to positive 9-18v in a square wave at around 20-25khz, I have one of these too but neglected to use it. I can see from the discussions and stated science, how the beck zapper could work but require something more than sales brochure to actually beleive that it could work. Basically I require human verification that it works, and how they used it, so that i could use it the same way. I have bought sticky adhesive gel electrode pads for a TENS machine as electrodes.. any testimonies...??? thanks again. -- From: Brooks Bradley bradlebro...@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 11:02 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSBeck zapper The Beck zapper is a very useful device (at least it has been in our researches), however, there are...at present..several other---more recent designs; more powerful in effect than is the original device developed by Robert. A brief survey of the Internet using zapper as the key word, will illicit a number of valid references. If you are unsuccessful email me personally and I will attempt to offer some useful guidance in your search. Sincerely, Brooks Bradley. Harborne Research Foundation. On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 4:53 PM, asif nathekar asifnathe...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi group, Has anyone got any anecdotes for the beck zapper to share As I want to use one on my mate with the boils if it's potentially effective Thanks Sent from my iPhone -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CSBoils and infections
Hi group, A friend has recurrent large and painful boils / infections under his skin which usually spreads but is temporarily treated with a course of three antibiotics. He did try my cs with some but not much success and went back for antibiotics. This time he got them I upped the dose of cs to 500ml per day , which finally did do something and got the infection retreating ! Phew !. But it did recur after two days when he got lax out of overconfidence and stopped the cs. Is there other things I can do like hydrogen peroxide or msm or vitamin c or iodine or something for him ... I Would like some pointers please. As its getting very serious and unmanageable. I have a beck zapper , any advice or anecdotal stories on that . Actual evidence welcome! Thanks. Sent from my iPhone -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSBoils and infections
He has seriously cut sugar and sugary products, nearly all snack foods completely. Nearly all dairy, eats mutton or chicken once a week and fish once a week and vegetables for the rest. This has been the case for two to three years now. He cannot tolerate dairy and wheat well so things like bread and cereals are out of the question. Does this help? Sent from my iPhone On 3 Feb 2012, at 22:56, Smitty papad...@gmail.com wrote: What is your friend's life stlye diet ? He might do well with a body cleanse. Here is some reading for you = http://curezone.com/forums/search.asp?q=boilsaction=Search Smitty On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 11:52 AM, asif nathekar asifnathe...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi group, A friend has recurrent large and painful boils / infections under his skin which usually spreads but is temporarily treated with a course of three antibiotics. He did try my cs with some but not much success and went back for antibiotics. This time he got them I upped the dose of cs to 500ml per day , which finally did do something and got the infection retreating ! Phew !. But it did recur after two days when he got lax out of overconfidence and stopped the cs. Is there other things I can do like hydrogen peroxide or msm or vitamin c or iodine or something for him ... I Would like some pointers please. As its getting very serious and unmanageable. I have a beck zapper , any advice or anecdotal stories on that . Actual evidence welcome! Thanks. Sent from my iPhone -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subjectunsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSPPM vs uS
I asked the question and didn't realise that I kicked the hornets nest! All I wanted to know is what ppm I was producing given a particular uS reading! But I have learnt a lot! Since I am using a very low current per area and my electrodes are very large and far apart, with current control I am producing high ionic content CS ( i believe) and therefore my setup will not be very representative of anything typical to anyone else and so I stop when my Us says around 20us , since it seems to be very stubborn to increase much after that anyways indicating its done as much as it can. The CS is clear and metallic tasting and very effective to myself and others. Since I am happy with that I will leave it to that and think no more than that On a side note. I used to use a much higher current 1ma per square inch with less than double distilled water and was then able to produce CS much faster and could brew it high enough to produce a slightly yellow brew. Since I now double distill and use a very low current per square inch (0.25ma per square inch) I haven't yet produced anything other than clear CS and haven't even needed any mechanical stirring as I previously did. Although to produce. 3 litre batch takes 48 hours! Patience is a virtue. Since there is no yellow tinge and with my low current setup, I am happy my CS is of a good quality meaning the particles aren't large enough to absorb and reflect light and filter it to make it appear yellow or otherwise( again it is only my belief ). I will therefore now leave it be since its good enough. Thank you again for the discussion. And please continue educating and helping those like myself who seek knowledge and those who are new to all this. Peace to all Asif. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSPPM vs uS
Hi Tony, I use a circuit with a LM338T in a current control configuration although a LM317T can also be used with exactly the same bias/control values (I prefer the LM338T as I have read in a few places that in current control application its much better behaved than the LM317T especially in Low current scenarios such as 2ma which is where my setup needs to be (also forget 1ma its pretty much useless for that - which is why I only use it with large silver electrodes at 1.5ma ( I will be migrating to a LM334Z setup ASAP due to its much vastly more superior characteristics especially for the home brewer, However the LM338T is very easy to control and bias with resisters that are easy to obtain - hence why my current setup is based on this) For details see http://users.telenet.be/davshomepage/current-source.htm I have also used a LM334z which was very, very well behaved, when I wanted a travel Silver Generator for holidays, I used a flat 6 inch by 1/4 wide electrode and 2x9 volt batteries set at 0.3 ma. Although it took 10 hours to produce 300ml at 18uS reading. Electrodes spaced 3 inches apart, and no agitation. The LM334z is exceptionally well behaved for low current and has an excellent voltage range!...Operates from 1V to 40V, Programmable from 1µA to 10mA. Although because of the resister bias values it is a real pain to control with resisters, my advice is to use a variable multiturn resister of some sort to tweak it accurately, and to include diodes to correct for temperature since its very sensitive to temperature. http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/lm134.pdf see page 7 for the diode temperature compensated diagram and see below for the calculator http://www.a-ling.net/alweb/hifi/lm334_ccs_t_calc/lm334_ccs_t.htm I hope this helps Peace to all Asif. -- From: Tony Moody a...@new.co.za Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 7:47 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSPPM vs uS Hallo Asif, Thank you for your detailed info. I have saved it because (I think) it is info that is not common knowledge here. What sort of current control are you using. I use a simple fet circuit for the 1mA setting and it seems to work very well. I'm not sure that will reliably turn down to .25mA with a rod 1^2 area. Must try it soon. Regards, Tony Moody On 20 Jan 2012 at 16:14, Asif Nathekar wrote about : Subject : Re: CSPPM vs uS I asked the question and didn't realise that I kicked the hornets nest! All I wanted to know is what ppm I was producing given a particular uS reading! But I have learnt a lot! Since I am using a very low current per area and my electrodes are very large and far apart, with current control I am producing high ionic content CS ( i believe) and therefore my setup will not be very representative of anything typical to anyone else and so I stop when my Us says around 20us , since it seems to be very stubborn to increase much after that anyways indicating its done as much as it can. The CS is clear and metallic tasting and very effective to myself and others. Since I am happy with that I will leave it to that and think no more than that On a side note. I used to use a much higher current 1ma per square inch with less than double distilled water and was then able to produce CS much faster and could brew it high enough to produce a slightly yellow brew. Since I now double distill and use a very low current per square inch (0.25ma per square inch) I haven't yet produced anything other than clear CS and haven't even needed any mechanical stirring as I previously did. Although to produce. 3 litre batch takes 48 hours! Patience is a virtue. Since there is no yellow tinge and with my low current setup, I am happy my CS is of a good quality meaning the particles aren't large enough to absorb and reflect light and filter it to make it appear yellow or otherwise( again it is only my belief ). I will therefore now leave it be since its good enough. Thank you again for the discussion. And please continue educating and helping those like myself who seek knowledge and those who are new to all this. Peace to all Asif. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subjectArchives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CSPPM vs uS
Hi, I have been doing some more reading which has got me looking for a resolution, namely what uS do you consider to roughly figure out the PPM. I know the reason why a typical ppm or uS meter would not give a reading due to the ions which we do want to measure not being very measurable in terms in electrical conductance. But it there a rough method to measure from the stuff that does conduct. What I am therefore asking is if my uS meter says 10 uS what ppm of CS should I consider that to be. I have so far been halving the value so that I would have said that was 5 ppm. This was from information I received from other posts. Kindly help shed some light in this matter for me. Cheers Peace to all Asif. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSPPM vs uS
I was reading that some people were considering uS as ppm for CS Which had me think was my 15us brew a 7/8 ppm or 15. The variance is large and given the discussions of high ppm recently it got me even more interested. On 12 Jan 2012, at 10:12, Neville Munn one.red...@hotmail.com wrote: Several variations to uS/PPM conversions but that's near enough for me without laboratory analysis. That's all I do, just halve it, and it's close enough when comparing the 3 meters I use. In the scheme of things with home produced EIS what's a ppm or three anyway? N. From: asifnathe...@hotmail.com Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 09:47:51 + To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSPPM vs uS Hi, I have been doing some more reading which has got me looking for a resolution, namely what uS do you consider to roughly figure out the PPM. I know the reason why a typical ppm or uS meter would not give a reading due to the ions which we do want to measure not being very measurable in terms in electrical conductance. But it there a rough method to measure from the stuff that does conduct. What I am therefore asking is if my uS meter says 10 uS what ppm of CS should I consider that to be. I have so far been halving the value so that I would have said that was 5 ppm. This was from information I received from other posts. Kindly help shed some light in this matter for me. Cheers Peace to all Asif. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=subscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSPPM vs uS
I wasn't thinking about the ppm to uS ratio which is calibrated on my meter with some type of sodium solution. Rather I am interested in uS or ppm in CS . So if my meter says 15uS in my CS what should I *think* it is? I know there's is no perfect answer here given that we cannot measure the ionic component, but surely we can make some analogous understanding of ionic content from the ppm Thanks Peace and crunchy nut cornflakes to all! Regards Asif. On 12 Jan 2012, at 11:42, Neville Munn one.red...@hotmail.com wrote: Oops, back to front, variations for ppm to uS sounds better, sorry bout that. If I double the ppm reading on a TDS meter it's close enough to my uS meter. Don't need to halve a conductivity meter. It's about milligrams of silver by weight in 1 litre of water, and short of lab analysis an EC meter gives rough idea of silver content. With my EC and TDS meters I don't see any problem with a TDS meter and doubling the reading, or an EC meter and just reading it as it is. Much of a muchness in the home to me. N. Subject: Re: CSPPM vs uS From: asifnathe...@hotmail.com Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 11:07:56 + To: silver-list@eskimo.com I was reading that some people were considering uS as ppm for CS Which had me think was my 15us brew a 7/8 ppm or 15. The variance is large and given the discussions of high ppm recently it got me even more interested. On 12 Jan 2012, at 10:12, Neville Munn one.red...@hotmail.com wrote: Several variations to uS/PPM conversions but that's near enough for me without laboratory analysis. That's all I do, just halve it, and it's close enough when comparing the 3 meters I use. In the scheme of things with home produced EIS what's a ppm or three anyway? N. From: asifnathe...@hotmail.com Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 09:47:51 + To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSPPM vs uS Hi, I have been doing some more reading which has got me looking for a resolution, namely what uS do you consider to roughly figure out the PPM. I know the reason why a typical ppm or uS meter would not give a reading due to the ions which we do want to measure not being very measurable in terms in electrical conductance. But it there a rough method to measure from the stuff that does conduct. What I am therefore asking is if my uS meter says 10 uS what ppm of CS should I consider that to be. I have so far been halving the value so that I would have said that was 5 ppm. This was from information I received from other posts. Kindly help shed some light in this matter for me. Cheers Peace to all Asif. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=subscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CScollodial silver for parkinsons. Please help. I need your advice/ suggestions
Dear savita, Please read the posts regarding virgin coconut oil / or vco. Its effectiveness has been corroborated by many sources, please read more about medium chain tryglycerides. It would be a direction of study I would point you in without much hesitation. With peace, Asif. -Original Message- From: Savita Agrawal Sent: 28 Dec 2011 04:45:34 GMT To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CScollodial silver for parkinsons. Please help. I need your advice/ suggestions Dear Silver-list members. Please help me if you can. Hello my name is Savita Agrawal. I have just become a member of the Silver-list family. I never knew a service(alternative medicine forum) like this existed on the net. I was reffered here by a friend who’s mother was battling a health issue. She ,said the suggestions she got from this forum helped her mother tremendously. She told me that she has seen emails and correspondence from members of this forum to other members speaking about the disorder my father is suffering from. She advised me to become a member of the silver-list forum and post messages to you( the members of this forum). Please members of silverlist, I beg you in the name of the person you love the most, please,please help me if you can. My father has parkinsions disease, and he is just beginning to lose his cognitive ablilities. I truly belive that the drugs he has been taking for 2 years has done nothing for him, but made him worst. I am sure there is no cure for parkinsons disease. All I am hoping for, and praying everyday for is to slow the progression of this disease down. I have done research, and I have found that 2 supplements glutathione, and coenzyme Q10 are effective in treating parkinsons disease. I will soon purchase them. I beg of you, please if you know of any other product, any supplement, any herb that you feel can effect a positive effect on a Parkinsons patient, please for goodness sake, please share it with me. If you have personal experience of a supplement/herb/ or anything that has gotten positive results that you have experience personally or have heard of that when given to a parkinsons patient effected that patient in a postive way please, please share your story with me. I am despartely trying to find something to help my father(in terms of his ability to communicate, and his memory etc). I would give anything to be able to slow this disease down. I can never imagine not being able to have a conversation with my father. I know this is life, and most likely some chronic degenerative disease will claim unfortunaltely most of us, I am just trying to delay it as long as I can for my father. Again, I beg you, if you have anything that you feel can help a parkinsons patient please, please share it with me. I will be eternally grateful for your insight, or any information that can lead me to a solution that may be able to help my father. Thank you. Savita Agrawal
Re: CSCollodial silver for eyedisorders?
Hi Kim, A friend recently had an eye infection that resulted in a case of 'pink eye', I asked him to try colloidal silver, dropped in the eye generously. He did that before bed time, and in the morning it had cleared. It was most likely an eye infection and not the result of lack of sleep, or chopping onions!. That a fresh brew of CS of around 15ppm. Peace and Love to all, Asif. From: Kim Locker Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 2:40 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSCollodial silver for eyedisorders? Dear Mam/Sir. I have suffered with Glacoma for 6 years now. I have just been diagnosed with having cataracts. I have heard that colloidal Silver is a option that may a postive treatment for eyedisorders. Anyone who has any suggestions on their experiences with colloidal silvers in terms of it treating glacoma/and or catracts in a positve way please contact me and share your story with me. I will appreciate the details of any postive experience you have or your opinion. Thank you. Kim Locker
Re: CSSmart Meter
I have this EMF app on my iphone http://www.appstorehq.com/emfdetector-iphone-52737/app and also http://www.mbtheme.com/WebApp/Tools-Utilities/201011/EMF-Meter_65840-65840.html it seems to work okand it uses all 3 axis ... it may not have the response and granularity and frequency range like dedicated meters but it does work quite well especially for a dollar. it picks up my laptops wifi traffic easily i also found this one .. it seems gimmicky http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/paranormal-state-emf-meter/id301915840?mt=8 From: Mike W-H Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2011 11:58 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSSmart Meter Hi roger, No problem, Your best bet would be to phone the guy at lessemf.com and talk to him... Mike On 11/5/2011 1:04 PM, Roger Barker wrote: Thanks for the site Mike. I see from a recent post (see below) that one would need a meter capable of reading ELF. This site has a large range of meters and which I find somewhat confusing. Any idea which meter would be the right one for our purpose? Cheers, Roger B Utilizing an advanced ElectroSmog Electropollution Detector from Germany HF 35C 800 MHz – 2500 MHz, the Smart Meter from SDGE placed on my home without notice Nov 2010 was tested last week. Sempra Utilities SDGE’s Smart Meter produced a burst of ELF microwave radiation 1000s more powerful than a cell phone call at greater than 2000 uW/meter squared power levels every 5 to 15 seconds throughout the day and night. This meter is 10 feet from my studio broadcast desk. Testing beside my wife’s side of our bed, Friday August 26th 2011, pointed 20 yards to our neighbors garage mounted SDGE meter, every 2 to 5 seconds a burst of ELF microwave radiation was detected over limit 2000+ uWatts of power per square meter. On 4/11/2011, at 11:01 PM, Mike W-H wrote: the real way to do it would be to have a radiation meter, check out lessemf.com
Re: CSElectromedicine
Hi What about a pc based audio signal generator. They are usually free I also have two on my iPhone. I use a 12v car stereo speaker amp with a aux jack input and one of the speaker outputs for the two electrodes. Speaker volume acts as strength I used this setup to try some Zapper and rife frequencies. Although I didn't know what I was doing too well, I understood the principle. The software can duplicate many type of waveforms and frequency sweeps I would be interested in knowing these frequencies. Please share if anyone knows them I am also looking for a mentor who has used rife frequencies to get me started . Can anyone provide a decent website or personal experiences and description of setup and frequencies. As I really don't trust testimonies of posts I have read in other forums as they contradict too much to provide useful therapeutic pointers. Peace to all, Asif. On 23 Oct 2011, at 20:38, Dr. Matthias Weisser matthias.weis...@gmx.de wrote: Hi Tony, yes, Russ should have all this. Bob talked about having a patent list about those CES devices. Unfortunately I did not see such a list until now. In the papers that I found on the internet there was no such list, not even one single patent number. Beck told that there are some important frequencies that have been found by using many animal tests. 2720Hz was one and also 3 others he said. But which ones? He also said that his brain tuner would deliver those. If one now builds such a device nobody can be sure that the needed frequencies are really there. This would have to be checked using a spectrum analyzer. May be those frequencies that Beck mentioned are not so important? You seem to have success using other frequencies? I do not have something special about this silver stuff. Just some files that I collected over the years. May be you will find what you search for here on my site: http://www.gesundohnepillen.de/bobbeck.shtml http://www.gesundohnepillen.de/bobbeck.shtml#P02PAGE05 I do not know much about the history of the colloidal silver. I am not sure if Beck was an inventor here. Also here could help a patent list if still there. Matthias Am 23.10.2011 21:04, schrieb Tony Moody: Hi Matthias, Apparently Bob Beck willed all his info to Rus Torlage of Sota instruments. http://www.sota.com/ Beck made the various Brain tuner models which are Cranio electro stimulation devices. CES. and I believe Sota makes them now. Alphastim have a lot of worthwhile info on their site http://www.alpha-stim.com/ and there is also a very useful little book about the history and science of CES by Kirsch. Also for a simple circuit see www.redcircuits.com/Page19.htm I lashed together one of those and it works very well. [ I have the use of an Alphastim which is neat and well made but I believe the redcircuits produces much better result for me. ] I will be very interested to learn more about the early history of colloidal silver if ther eis anything you can make available OK, Tony M -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSColloidal silver analyzed at Penn State U.
Hi , Try the link I sent previously On 20 Oct 2011, at 17:30, Marshall mdud...@king-cart.com wrote: I get no such website when I click on that link. Marshall On 10/20/2011 8:16 AM, Alchemysa wrote: This might be the closest examination ever of the physical structure of colloidal silver. Then again it might not be, because, to be honest, I can't say I understand much of it at all. http://rustumroy.com/Silver water paper MRI vol 11 is 1.pdf -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSUrgent...where to get silver in India
I have a lot of family in India and cannot source any myself, for their requirements. For my next trip to India I will be taking a simple battery powered generator, taking my own silver and ordering in water for injections, as distilled isn't available, unless self distilled. maybe a silver coin, 3 nine volt batteries and 'water for injections' from the chemist is going to be the best way to do this, if urgent, other than sending some by courier. -- From: David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 6:49 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSUrgent...where to get silver in India There is a very high profile and very respected person in India who is becoming septic, despite antibiotics and antifungals given by IV. Where can I get colloidal silver in India to get to them ASAP? Thanks, David -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSsmart meter shielding
that would be a decent compromise, as the meter would buffer the traffic and send when the next available opportunity presents itself which of course would be when you uncover the shielding perhaps the neighborhood could agree on a time to do this... e.g. 9pm-10pm every night bear in mind that a LOT of traffic would be fed during that time intensively... rather than being drip fed throughout the day... there would be maximum transmission during that time.. as it would be making up for lost time!... -- From: David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 3:58 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSsmart meter shielding Maybe if a type of shielding could be devised that does not block its operation 24 hours a day. Maybe for a minute or 2 here and there it would work. They might think the meter is broken instead of suspecting the resident. On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 7:43 PM, Bob Banever bbane...@earthlink.net wrote: Shirley, I have one too. If you live in California you can protest to the DPUC on their website. If they recieve enough complaints they will ban the things. I complained yesterday. They say aluminum foil (double or triple thickness) will block the energy. Put sheets on the wall behind the meter between you and the meter. You can wrap the outside of the meter as well... just keep the front uncovered so Edison can read it. If they cannot they might send someone to your house. From what I understand all of the meters around you communicate with each other. Bob - Original Message - From: Shirley Reed To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 10:59 AM Subject: CSsmart meter shielding Anyone know if tachyon items can shield from this thing?? If the energy from these meters travels for 5 miles, then we would need to shield from everyone's meters and that doesn't seem possible. But it is quite possible that I don't understand the situation. :) If the energy goes out from everyones meter, does it go just in one direction or all around? Seems to me that we need to know this before any strategy can be devised for protection. My house has one of these things. Scary. pj -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=subscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSUrgent...where to get silver in India
I know water for injections is still undesirable however its as good as it gets where my family are, unless I buy a distiller to keep there (however electricity is a major problem in most of India, it is rationed and unavailable for most hours, and when its on, it is a poor quality feed. for home distillation you would need to have it on for a good few hours at a time...if your local circuit can handle the electrical requirements of a steam distiller, and you can have electricity for that long!... -- From: Asif Nathekar asifnathe...@hotmail.com Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 3:41 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSUrgent...where to get silver in India I have a lot of family in India and cannot source any myself, for their requirements. For my next trip to India I will be taking a simple battery powered generator, taking my own silver and ordering in water for injections, as distilled isn't available, unless self distilled. maybe a silver coin, 3 nine volt batteries and 'water for injections' from the chemist is going to be the best way to do this, if urgent, other than sending some by courier. -- From: David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 6:49 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSUrgent...where to get silver in India There is a very high profile and very respected person in India who is becoming septic, despite antibiotics and antifungals given by IV. Where can I get colloidal silver in India to get to them ASAP? Thanks, David -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSUrgent...where to get silver in India
I cant find ANY distilled water where I folks live... even water for injections will be available on a special order There must obviously be some Distilled water available somewhere in India, but not where my folks are, so I cannot comment on the quality or otherwise of any available... as for water for injections, it is usually put through a resin filter (to deionise, effectively), and then RO or Distilled... which is not as good as double distilledbut I cant complain, given the situation!... -- From: David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 4:16 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSUrgent...where to get silver in India I was up late, and was able to find some people to contact. Someone purchased a CS generator and distilled water from someone, and is getting on a plain, bringing it to the needed part of India. The guy's name is Rama. His phone number is on some obscure yahoo answers page. There is also another website called space age or something like that. They sell a generator. Though they recommended tap water It is still much better than nothing, even in sublingual absorption. They said the higher PPM has desirable. Anyway, still definitely has its uses in emergency. There is also an online store called BIOVEA that has a link for Indian customers on the bottom. They have 2 oz bottles of source naturals colloidal silver. If they are in India, that is another option. So that is what I learned about CS in India! Now just to hope this generator works on our beloved patient. Asif, do you know about quality of distilled water in India? Maybe the guy made it himself? I am still trying to contact them and get more details. David -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSUrgent...where to get silver in India
Solar panels will heat water effectively in india, as for generating electricity, I do not think it will be enough by itself unless supplemented by decent battery backup and inverter combination. Even then I do not believe such a system will be able to sustain that much current draw. As my uncle has such a setup and can just about run two energy saving bulbs and a fan for a few hours. So a small distiller such as mine that draws 750w would I feel become unsustainable for the amount of time that would be required. On 19 Oct 2011, at 20:01, PTFerrance ptf2...@bellsouth.net wrote: Have you considered a small solar generator to generate enough electricity to help out with distilling and other things? I don't know what would be involved so this might be a unreasonable suggestion but the panels seem to be coming down in price a lot. PT -Original Message- From: David AuBuchon [mailto:aubuchon.da...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 11:16 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSUrgent...where to get silver in India I was up late, and was able to find some people to contact. Someone purchased a CS generator and distilled water from someone, and is getting on a plain, bringing it to the needed part of India. The guy's name is Rama. His phone number is on some obscure yahoo answers page. There is also another website called space age or something like that. They sell a generator. Though they recommended tap water It is still much better than nothing, even in sublingual absorption. They said the higher PPM has desirable. Anyway, still definitely has its uses in emergency. There is also an online store called BIOVEA that has a link for Indian customers on the bottom. They have 2 oz bottles of source naturals colloidal silver. If they are in India, that is another option. So that is what I learned about CS in India! Now just to hope this generator works on our beloved patient. Asif, do you know about quality of distilled water in India? Maybe the guy made it himself? I am still trying to contact them and get more details. David -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1831 / Virus Database: 2092/4560 - Release Date: 10/18/11 - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1831 / Virus Database: 2092/4560 - Release Date: 10/18/11
Re: CSUrgent...where to get silver in India
I was thinking of what was required to heat the water to steam and also the cooling/ heat exchanger requirements. In the case if india at the very minimum if a solar array was utilised to heat water to boiling point by thermal means and electrical requirement would just be for cooling only. It would be messy, but it would work On 19 Oct 2011, at 20:52, PTFerrance ptf2...@bellsouth.net wrote: You don't need electricity to distill water. All you need is a distiller pot and a fire. That is how moonshine was made during prohibition. You might want to check it out. PT -Original Message- From: Asif Nathekar [mailto:asifnathe...@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 3:19 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSUrgent...where to get silver in India Solar panels will heat water effectively in india, as for generating electricity, I do not think it will be enough by itself unless supplemented by decent battery backup and inverter combination. Even then I do not believe such a system will be able to sustain that much current draw. As my uncle has such a setup and can just about run two energy saving bulbs and a fan for a few hours. So a small distiller such as mine that draws 750w would I feel become unsustainable for the amount of time that would be required. On 19 Oct 2011, at 20:01, PTFerrance ptf2...@bellsouth.net wrote: Have you considered a small solar generator to generate enough electricity to help out with distilling and other things? I don't know what would be involved so this might be a unreasonable suggestion but the panels seem to be coming down in price a lot. PT -Original Message- From: David AuBuchon [mailto:aubuchon.da...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 11:16 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSUrgent...where to get silver in India I was up late, and was able to find some people to contact. Someone purchased a CS generator and distilled water from someone, and is getting on a plain, bringing it to the needed part of India. The guy's name is Rama. His phone number is on some obscure yahoo answers page. There is also another website called space age or something like that. They sell a generator. Though they recommended tap water It is still much better than nothing, even in sublingual absorption. They said the higher PPM has desirable. Anyway, still definitely has its uses in emergency. There is also an online store called BIOVEA that has a link for Indian customers on the bottom. They have 2 oz bottles of source naturals colloidal silver. If they are in India, that is another option. So that is what I learned about CS in India! Now just to hope this generator works on our beloved patient. Asif, do you know about quality of distilled water in India? Maybe the guy made it himself? I am still trying to contact them and get more details. David -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1831 / Virus Database: 2092/4560 - Release Date: 10/18/11 - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1831 / Virus Database: 2092/4560 - Release Date: 10/18/11 - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1831 / Virus Database: 2092/4560 - Release Date: 10/18/11 - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1831 / Virus Database: 2092/4560 - Release Date: 10/18/11
Re: CSUrgent...where to get silver in India
This is what I would do here in Britain, due to the humidity and ambient temperature there is a good chance the passive cooling means would allow the water to cool enough to condense, given a good long copper cooling tube However in India, with high humidity and very high ambient temperature... and a cooling tube which would cool by passive means is not something I would rely on... Having said all that... I haven't tried it...! -- From: PTFerrance ptf2...@bellsouth.net Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 10:25 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSUrgent...where to get silver in India All you really need is a pressure cooker, some tubing and a receiving receptacle from what I have read. PT -Original Message- From: Asif Nathekar [mailto:asifnathe...@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 4:41 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSUrgent...where to get silver in India I was thinking of what was required to heat the water to steam and also the cooling/ heat exchanger requirements. In the case if india at the very minimum if a solar array was utilised to heat water to boiling point by thermal means and electrical requirement would just be for cooling only. It would be messy, but it would work On 19 Oct 2011, at 20:52, PTFerrance ptf2...@bellsouth.net wrote: You don't need electricity to distill water. All you need is a distiller pot and a fire. That is how moonshine was made during prohibition. You might want to check it out. PT -Original Message- From: Asif Nathekar [mailto:asifnathe...@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 3:19 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSUrgent...where to get silver in India Solar panels will heat water effectively in india, as for generating electricity, I do not think it will be enough by itself unless supplemented by decent battery backup and inverter combination. Even then I do not believe such a system will be able to sustain that much current draw. As my uncle has such a setup and can just about run two energy saving bulbs and a fan for a few hours. So a small distiller such as mine that draws 750w would I feel become unsustainable for the amount of time that would be required. On 19 Oct 2011, at 20:01, PTFerrance ptf2...@bellsouth.net wrote: Have you considered a small solar generator to generate enough electricity to help out with distilling and other things? I don't know what would be involved so this might be a unreasonable suggestion but the panels seem to be coming down in price a lot. PT -Original Message- From: David AuBuchon [mailto:aubuchon.da...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 11:16 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSUrgent...where to get silver in India I was up late, and was able to find some people to contact. Someone purchased a CS generator and distilled water from someone, and is getting on a plain, bringing it to the needed part of India. The guy's name is Rama. His phone number is on some obscure yahoo answers page. There is also another website called space age or something like that. They sell a generator. Though they recommended tap water It is still much better than nothing, even in sublingual absorption. They said the higher PPM has desirable. Anyway, still definitely has its uses in emergency. There is also an online store called BIOVEA that has a link for Indian customers on the bottom. They have 2 oz bottles of source naturals colloidal silver. If they are in India, that is another option. So that is what I learned about CS in India! Now just to hope this generator works on our beloved patient. Asif, do you know about quality of distilled water in India? Maybe the guy made it himself? I am still trying to contact them and get more details. David -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1831 / Virus Database: 2092/4560 - Release Date: 10/18/11 - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1831 / Virus Database: 2092/4560 - Release Date: 10/18/11 - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1831 / Virus Database: 2092/4560 - Release Date: 10/18/11 - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1831 / Virus Database: 2092/4560 - Release Date: 10/18/11 - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1831 / Virus Database: 2092/4560 - Release Date: 10/18/11
Re: CSsmart meter shielding
which one?... I have 3! :) -- From: phoenix23002 tds.net phoenix23...@tds.net Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 8:14 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSsmart meter shielding Maybe that narrow time frame would be the perfect time to really wear the tinfoil hats? LOL On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 10:46 AM, Asif Nathekar asifnathe...@hotmail.com wrote: that would be a decent compromise, as the meter would buffer the traffic and send when the next available opportunity presents itself which of course would be when you uncover the shielding perhaps the neighborhood could agree on a time to do this... e.g. 9pm-10pm every night bear in mind that a LOT of traffic would be fed during that time intensively... rather than being drip fed throughout the day... there would be maximum transmission during that time.. as it would be making up for lost time!... -- From: David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 3:58 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSsmart meter shielding Maybe if a type of shielding could be devised that does not block its operation 24 hours a day. Maybe for a minute or 2 here and there it would work. They might think the meter is broken instead of suspecting the resident. On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 7:43 PM, Bob Banever bbane...@earthlink.net wrote: Shirley, I have one too. If you live in California you can protest to the DPUC on their website. If they recieve enough complaints they will ban the things. I complained yesterday. They say aluminum foil (double or triple thickness) will block the energy. Put sheets on the wall behind the meter between you and the meter. You can wrap the outside of the meter as well... just keep the front uncovered so Edison can read it. If they cannot they might send someone to your house. From what I understand all of the meters around you communicate with each other. Bob - Original Message - From: Shirley Reed To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 10:59 AM Subject: CSsmart meter shielding Anyone know if tachyon items can shield from this thing?? If the energy from these meters travels for 5 miles, then we would need to shield from everyone's meters and that doesn't seem possible. But it is quite possible that I don't understand the situation. :) If the energy goes out from everyones meter, does it go just in one direction or all around? Seems to me that we need to know this before any strategy can be devised for protection. My house has one of these things. Scary. pj -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=subscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSsmart meter shielding
From what I understand, the network is a high fault tolerance interconnected star topology network. The antenna is omnidirectional because of this. It has a high poll rate plus it's event activated traffic. E.g. If someone goes to the toilet at night and uses the light. Or when high current draw. Devices are used such As irons, toasters and kettles. This would be used for analytics in a data warehouse by the utilities company. They also have zigbee radio connectivity so that new devices can provide detailed on their operation which would then be used by the utilities company. I have done some work on this as I have worked in healthcare. On 18 Oct 2011, at 19:16, Marshall mdud...@king-cart.com wrote: Electromagnetic radiation drops off to the square of the distance. Thus if you are 10 feet from your meter, and 100 feet from the neighbor's, you will receive 100 times as much radiation from yours than your neighbors. That assumes that the antenna is omnidirectional. If the antenna is directional, or they are using the wiring as the antenna, all bets are off. Marshall On 10/18/2011 1:59 PM, Shirley Reed wrote: Anyone know if tachyon items can shield from this thing?? If the energy from these meters travels for 5 miles, then we would need to shield from everyone's meters and that doesn't seem possible. But it is quite possible that I don't understand the situation. :) If the energy goes out from everyones meter, does it go just in one direction or all around? Seems to me that we need to know this before any strategy can be devised for protection. My house has one of these things. Scary. pj
Re: CSsmart meter
I did watch a whole presentation on this by an electrical engineer, I have a similar background and appreciated the detail. Basically this is what I learnt. 1 : Smart Meter operate on a frequency similar to microwaves 2 : Smart meters work on a Cluster / Cloud architecture, meaning one meter does not have direct communication with the 'tower' rather they all talk to each other and the usage messages are passed on through this network of clustered devices. 3 : Like all modern digital communication devices, they vary power depending on the need to transmit the data at high quality. What does this mean. 1: If you cover one up, for example install a faraday cage to shield the device, the utilities company will know of the non-communication occurring from your node. 2 : if you cover or shield the device, or reduce the output by limited shielding, then it will ramp up the power in as much it needs to transmit the signal 3 : Your neighbours meters will still be transmitting unaffected, which will of course reach you. 4 : you will be receiving this radiation from multiple sources, from wherever your neighbours reside. this does not mean that we are all done for, rather it means we have to find ways around this, I for example take exception to the utilities company radiating me without permission, or constantly monitoring my electricity usage, and creating a profile of to sell to data aggregators, to create and complete my 'profile'. They can tell how many people are in the house, their approximate ages, devices used, how many times a person goes to the toilet at night, and even approximate tv watching habits... e.g. many people go to the toilet during a commercial break and go to the fridge for a cold drink, or make a coffee. all by live electricity usage data. I went to a seminar on this regarding remotely monitoring the elderly and their habits to see the state of their health... just my two pence worth peace to all, Asif. From: Elizabeth Williams Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 9:28 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSsmart meter There is a person on another list I am on that sells these doughnut shaped things that go around the meter that protect you from the radiation they emit, If anyone is interested I can provide a link to his online store, I am not affiliated with this person just sharing knowledge. Elizabeth Williams belzi...@hotmail.com Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 15:24:43 -0500 Subject: Re: CSsmart meter From: bhangcha...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com You should be able to do something like install a grounded metal shield between the meter and your house which would reduce the strength of any emission into the house. That should take care of it. Dan On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 1:28 PM, jess jessi...@optonline.net wrote: The man from the utility co just told me that the pulses from the meter travel 5 miles. he did not install it and I put a note on mine saying please do not change my meter . I got through to Edison So Cal and the rep said at this time there is no opt out. They will let me know if the California Public Utilities commission decides to allow an opt out list. Right now I am on their delay list. I am seeing lots of anti health reasons on the internet and some saying it affects privacy issues. Jess From: Elizabeth Williams Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 11:18 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSsmart meter I knew that these meters were coming to my town because they announced it in the local city electric newsletter. I had been reading about these things for a long time now. So what I did was call my lawyer and see what I could legally do to keep them from installing it at my house. I put a note near the meter that read, Do not install a smart meter on this home and I padlocked the meter with my own lock. The lawyer told me that basically I have a right to not accept this in my town. So my lawyer has sent the city a letter stating that I dont want this smart meter. Elizabeth Williams belzi...@hotmail.com From: jessi...@optonline.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 10:51:35 -0700 Subject: CSsmart meter silver-list@eskimo.commailto:silver-list@eskimo.comsilver-l...@eskimo.com; is this the list that has discussed the smart meter effects? This morning a utility man knocked on the door to inform me that he was installing a smart meter on my house and the entire neighborhood. I live in southern California. I just googled and saw it can cause heart irregularity, headaches and sleep problems. The phone # he gave me to call the company is not working. I read that a homeowner refused and was charged $4k to keep an analog meter. Does anyone know about this subject? thanks, Jess -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions:
