Re: Luxology Modo 50% off for this mailing list - A new word from Brad Peebler
Bugger! That last mail was supposed to be private. Apologies in advance if anybody finds it out of line, particularly to Sam. Doesn't read all that bad, nor was it meant to, but still, I was in another Mailing List's mode (default is to reply to poster, not to list) and sent it to an ever so slightly wider audience than intended.
Re: Luxology Modo 50% off for this mailing list - A new word from Brad Peebler
And here I was, making some popcorn. Guess it's back to the mindless violence threads for me. On 10 Mar 2014 06:04, Raffaele Fragapane raffsxsil...@googlemail.com wrote: Bugger! That last mail was supposed to be private. Apologies in advance if anybody finds it out of line, particularly to Sam. Doesn't read all that bad, nor was it meant to, but still, I was in another Mailing List's mode (default is to reply to poster, not to list) and sent it to an ever so slightly wider audience than intended.
Re: Luxology Modo 50% off for this mailing list - A new word from Brad Peebler
Its one of the major Pros of a forum as opposed to a mailing list. Its somewhat easy to make this kind of mistake, as well as hijacking threads (which is one of the things I have to apologise for from time to time) Forums also allow for segregation of topics , proper admin control, and with apps like tap talk improving lot its still easy for people to use on the go. Kind regards Angus From: Sajjad Amjad sajjad.am...@gmail.commailto:sajjad.am...@gmail.com Reply-To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.commailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com softimage@listproc.autodesk.commailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Date: Monday 10 March 2014 at 9:44 AM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.commailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com softimage@listproc.autodesk.commailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Luxology Modo 50% off for this mailing list - A new word from Brad Peebler And here I was, making some popcorn. Guess it's back to the mindless violence threads for me. On 10 Mar 2014 06:04, Raffaele Fragapane raffsxsil...@googlemail.commailto:raffsxsil...@googlemail.com wrote: Bugger! That last mail was supposed to be private. Apologies in advance if anybody finds it out of line, particularly to Sam. Doesn't read all that bad, nor was it meant to, but still, I was in another Mailing List's mode (default is to reply to poster, not to list) and sent it to an ever so slightly wider audience than intended. table width=100% border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 style=width:100%; tr td align=left style=text-align:justify;font face=arial,sans-serif size=1 color=#99span style=font-size:11px;This communication is intended for the addressee only. It is confidential. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately and destroy the original message. You may not copy or disseminate this communication without the permission of the University. Only authorised signatories are competent to enter into agreements on behalf of the University and recipients are thus advised that the content of this message may not be legally binding on the University and may contain the personal views and opinions of the author, which are not necessarily the views and opinions of The University of the Witwatersrand, Johannesburg. All agreements between the University and outsiders are subject to South African Law unless the University agrees in writing to the contrary. /span/font/td /tr /table
RE: Luxology Modo 50% off for this mailing list - A new word from Brad Peebler
Please, clear up my inaccuracies. As I said, I havent used the program in a very long time. When I used the program, it had a LOT of issues. It was great compared to Lightwave, but it was nothing compared to Softimage. All the issues may have been fixed by now, but Modo is not Softimage and some users may really not the way it works. From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Tim Crowson Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2014 9:35 AM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Luxology Modo 50% off for this mailing list - A new word from Brad Peebler I'm just hearing a lot of hate mixed in with some factual inaccuracies. I guess the other grown-ups here should be grateful they have you watching their backs? -Tim On 3/7/2014 10:32 PM, Sam Bowling wrote: For Gods sake try the demo before you buy! Last I used Modo (a very long time ago) it was severely lacking in a lot of features. Many may have been fixed, but Many may have not. Curves were a complete joke when I used it. They were absolutely terrible. Once you draw out your curve and drop the curve tool they would be converted to a chain of 2 point polygons which could then only be edited like polygons. Editing polygons had a habit of making a bunch of 2 point polygons which had to be cleaned up. The Photoshop like texturing system is terrible. Everyone else has node based systems and they still have this terrible layers system. There are two different rotation tools which are sometimes needed in different situation (I cant remember exactly why, but I know I never needed to use 2 different rotation tools before or since) which I really didnt like. Then theres the interface. I really, really dislike they interface. Its like everything was just thrown in there with very little thought with the excuse that you can arrange it however you like. Compared to Softimage where everything has its logical place to be, I find the Modo interface feels much like trying to pick up a needle with boxing gloves on. Many of these issues may have been fixed/improved, but even at 50% off, this program is no bargain if you cant stands to use it. From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Raffaele Fragapane Sent: Friday, March 07, 2014 2:44 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Luxology Modo 50% off for this mailing list - A new word from Brad Peebler Try it, and of you like it get in touch with Brad. He'll honour that offer for longer than the code has been out for (though not forever obviously). The code itself was just a symbolic gesture, modo itself isn't even the point ,the point is showing how some companies can be both agile and considerate while having a name and a face talking responsibility. On 8 Mar 2014 09:31, Maurício PC goneba...@gmail.com wrote: I'm more than willing to try modo. I guess I should have bought when the code was working. Now the code is gone. Let's keep studying than. But this collective looks really cool. On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 7:27 PM, Michael Clarke m...@bluecstudios.com wrote: Don't know if anyone has seen this, but for anyone wanting to incorporate Mari into their workflow, the Foundry offers a nice bundle. http://blog.motionmedia.com/upgrade-foundry-creation-collective/ This apparently works if you don't mind being on annual maintenance (around $550). I'm not yet sold on MODO (open to considering it), but the numbers look interesting. If you were to buy MODO alone for half price and upgrade within the year to 801, you would have invested around $1100 - $1250, depending on the upgrade offer. This bundle would allow you to take your half-price MODO and upgrade to the bundle for an additional $1240 (total investment around $2000) which would give you free updates to 801 when it releases. Again it involves a maintenance plan, but the cost is fairly reasonable. Their maintenance is just a few bucks more than upgrading MODO alone. Just pointing out the deal. It may or may not work for anyone here in particular, but it looked interesting (assuming MODO looks like a good path). On Mar 7, 2014, at 11:55 AM, Dave Thomlison dthomli...@gmail.com wrote: Webinar sounds great. +1 On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 12:54 PM, Francisco Criado malcriad...@gmail.com wrote: +1 2014-03-07 14:50 GMT-03:00 Kevin mc bride kev@gmail.com: Would love a webinar as well. Count me in if its going ahead. On 7 March 2014 15:56, Robert Kjettrup rob...@maydayfilm.dk wrote: only been a lurker on this list, but a relative long time Softimage user (since XSI v4), and considering my next options so count me in an webinar too Robert 2014-03-07 16:37 GMT+01:00 Jon Swindells jon_swinde...@fastmail.fm: me too please :) -- Jon Swindells jon_swinde...@fastmail.fm On Fri, Mar 7, 2014, at 05:00 PM, Bill Hinkson wrote
RE: Luxology Modo 50% off for this mailing list - A new word from Brad Peebler
From the sound of it, there are a lot of people who have or are ready to put down a lot of money to buy Modo. I think this would be a huge mistake. As you said, Modo is not a complete replacement for Softimage, but the offers (such as the one from Brad) do indeed imply that. Honestly, these kind of offers happen every time a major 3d software (or probably any major software) gets discontinued. Brad didn't just do this out of the goodness of his heart (Although I do think he is a good guy), he did it because he knew he would be able to get a lot of new users. Maxon did the same thing when all the lightwave developers bailed and started Modo. I still have my copy of Cinema 4d sitting on a shelf where I put it after I realized that I really didn't like the software. From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Tim Crowson Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2014 10:17 AM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Luxology Modo 50% off for this mailing list - A new word from Brad Peebler Yes I agree, and here's my point: I think people would do that anyway. I don't think we have a bunch of fools around here who just buy stuff willy-nilly. I myself have been very careful to explicitly emphasize the need for people to evaluate things for themselves and take responsibility, precisely because I know first-hand that Modo is not a full replacement for Softimage (I still have yet to hear anyone even claim that, so I see that as a straw man). There's enough disgruntlement being poured out in emails this week as it is, and I just found Sam's tone to be totally counterproductive. I think there's room to present facts and make assessments relative to specific usage cases... I'm just tired of the emotional hooplah over this stuff. Figure it out for yourself and make your decisions in your own time. -Tim On 3/8/2014 11:57 AM, Eric Thivierge wrote: No Sam has a valid point. Regardless of whether there are still issues (or ever were) that Sam experienced, people need to take a huge step back. Stop running to the next big thing that is being advertised. Take your time, you have plenty. Really evaluate these apps in production and not just twiddling around on the weekend. It's not going to hurt anyone if you do, however rushing into it will. Eric Thivierge http://www.ethivierge.com On Sat, Mar 8, 2014 at 12:34 PM, Tim Crowson tim.crow...@magneticdreams.com wrote: I'm just hearing a lot of hate mixed in with some factual inaccuracies. I guess the other grown-ups here should be grateful they have you watching their backs? -Tim --
Re: Luxology Modo 50% off for this mailing list - A new word from Brad Peebler
Sam, I know you have some serious resentment for LW and for Modo's heritage. I think you made your point, and anybody thinking Modo is a replacement for the whole extent of what Soft could potentially do would be a fool, nor this is being implied anywhere by Brad, Tim, or even myself when I forwarded Brad's offer. For many, however, it might be a good companion to Soft in the years to come, or a good companion to Maya (given Maya sucks at both modelling and rendering, both things Modo caters to respectfully). Have some faith in people that they are not complete morons who can't operate at the most basic levels and will throw money at the first person coming in with some marketing, and have some respect for the decisions of those who did buy into on what you might think of as a whim, that they might have done it for reasons and motives you don't share or understand. As for Brad's motives, he wrote a lengthy post about the dichotomy of it which I think has been reposted all over the place already. You can find it here if you haven't read it: http://community.thefoundry.co.uk/discussion/topic.aspx?f=3t=85630 You get way, wy too personal when LW or Modo are involved. I thought you had done remarkably well insofar, don't give in now and start replying to every single mail mentioning Modo having a go at them, please. Trust your peers on this list to be discerning enough on their own if you have no recent and unbiased knowledge to share. P.S. I don't own Modo, Brad offered me nothing when I approached him, and I haven't asked him anything. I have no plans to use it, nor particularly care for it at present time, but that's because for what I do it's not viable. But then for me Houdini isn't viable either, yet you will find people swearing that using it made their arms bigger, their penis longer, and gave them super powers. To each their own, man. On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 4:29 PM, Sam Bowling sbowl...@cox.net wrote: From the sound of it, there are a lot of people who have or are ready to put down a lot of money to buy Modo. I think this would be a huge mistake. As you said, Modo is not a complete replacement for Softimage, but the offers (such as the one from Brad) do indeed imply that. Honestly, these kind of offers happen every time a major 3d software (or probably any major software) gets discontinued. Brad didn't just do this out of the goodness of his heart (Although I do think he is a good guy), he did it because he knew he would be able to get a lot of new users. Maxon did the same thing when all the lightwave developers bailed and started Modo. I still have my copy of Cinema 4d sitting on a shelf where I put it after I realized that I really didn't like the software.
Re: Luxology Modo 50% off for this mailing list - A new word from Brad Peebler
No Sam has a valid point. Regardless of whether there are still issues (or ever were) that Sam experienced, people need to take a huge step back. Stop running to the next big thing that is being advertised. Take your time, you have plenty. Really evaluate these apps in production and not just twiddling around on the weekend. It's not going to hurt anyone if you do, however rushing into it will. Eric Thivierge http://www.ethivierge.com On Sat, Mar 8, 2014 at 12:34 PM, Tim Crowson tim.crow...@magneticdreams.com wrote: I'm just hearing a lot of hate mixed in with some factual inaccuracies. I guess the other grown-ups here should be grateful they have you watching their backs? -Tim
Re: Luxology Modo 50% off for this mailing list - A new word from Brad Peebler
Yes I agree, and here's my point: I think people would do that anyway. I don't think we have a bunch of fools around here who just buy stuff willy-nilly. I myself have been very careful to explicitly emphasize the need for people to evaluate things for themselves and take responsibility, precisely because I know first-hand that Modo is not a full replacement for Softimage (I still have yet to hear anyone even claim that, so I see that as a straw man). There's enough disgruntlement being poured out in emails this week as it is, and I just found Sam's tone to be totally counterproductive. I think there's room to present facts and make assessments relative to specific usage cases... I'm just tired of the emotional hooplah over this stuff. Figure it out for yourself and make your decisions in your own time. -Tim On 3/8/2014 11:57 AM, Eric Thivierge wrote: No Sam has a valid point. Regardless of whether there are still issues (or ever were) that Sam experienced, people need to take a huge step back. Stop running to the next big thing that is being advertised. Take your time, you have plenty. Really evaluate these apps in production and not just twiddling around on the weekend. It's not going to hurt anyone if you do, however rushing into it will. Eric Thivierge http://www.ethivierge.com On Sat, Mar 8, 2014 at 12:34 PM, Tim Crowson tim.crow...@magneticdreams.com mailto:tim.crow...@magneticdreams.com wrote: I'm just hearing a lot of hate mixed in with some factual inaccuracies. I guess the other grown-ups here should be grateful they have you watching their backs? -Tim -- Signature
Re: Luxology Modo 50% off for this mailing list - A new word from Brad Peebler
On Sat, Mar 8, 2014 at 1:17 PM, Tim Crowson tim.crow...@magneticdreams.comwrote: I'm just tired of the emotional hooplah over this stuff. Heh, you should wait a few months then. :) Honestly though. I'm not saying there are fools but there are people already buying into these deals. Just wait a few months ffs. Eric Thivierge http://www.ethivierge.com
RE: Luxology Modo 50% off for this mailing list - A new word from Brad Peebler
Hi Eric I dont think anyone is suggesting mass migrating studios to modo/houdini/lw now. However these deals allow folks to get a copy for evaluation. We did exactly that in November of Last year (when everyone was getting upset with folks like me who were warning them this was coming). It takes longer then 15 days to do a proper evaluation if your doing it properly. Its not about being foolish , but rather being forward thinking and putting yourself in a position to make the best decision. This was fortunate in our case because the Arc Licences are set to expire on the 28th of this month. Unlike the commercial folks we dont have the safety net of april 2016. Kind regards Angus From: Eric Thivierge [ethivie...@gmail.com] Sent: 08 March 2014 08:31 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Luxology Modo 50% off for this mailing list - A new word from Brad Peebler On Sat, Mar 8, 2014 at 1:17 PM, Tim Crowson tim.crow...@magneticdreams.commailto:tim.crow...@magneticdreams.com wrote: I'm just tired of the emotional hooplah over this stuff. Heh, you should wait a few months then. :) Honestly though. I'm not saying there are fools but there are people already buying into these deals. Just wait a few months ffs. Eric Thivierge http://www.ethivierge.com table width=100% border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 style=width:100%; tr td align=left style=text-align:justify;font face=arial,sans-serif size=1 color=#99span style=font-size:11px;This communication is intended for the addressee only. It is confidential. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately and destroy the original message. You may not copy or disseminate this communication without the permission of the University. Only authorised signatories are competent to enter into agreements on behalf of the University and recipients are thus advised that the content of this message may not be legally binding on the University and may contain the personal views and opinions of the author, which are not necessarily the views and opinions of The University of the Witwatersrand, Johannesburg. All agreements between the University and outsiders are subject to South African Law unless the University agrees in writing to the contrary. /span/font/td /tr /table
Re: Luxology Modo 50% off for this mailing list - A new word from Brad Peebler
It's my point exactly that people need to evaluate these products. No reason to jump the gun and straight out buy a license at one of these 50% off deals just to find out you wasted your money on an app that's not going to cover what you need it to. Any one of these companies should be knocking down your door and going out of their way to provide you with extended evals so you can do just that in production. I want people to evaluate this stuff. Any company forcing you to decide right now is just preying on people because of the discontinuation. Eric Thivierge http://www.ethivierge.com On Sat, Mar 8, 2014 at 2:05 PM, Angus Davidson angus.david...@wits.ac.zawrote: Hi Eric I dont think anyone is suggesting mass migrating studios to modo/houdini/lw now. However these deals allow folks to get a copy for evaluation. We did exactly that in November of Last year (when everyone was getting upset with folks like me who were warning them this was coming). It takes longer then 15 days to do a proper evaluation if your doing it properly. Its not about being foolish , but rather being forward thinking and putting yourself in a position to make the best decision. This was fortunate in our case because the Arc Licences are set to expire on the 28th of this month. Unlike the commercial folks we dont have the safety net of april 2016. Kind regards Angus -- *From:* Eric Thivierge [ethivie...@gmail.com] *Sent:* 08 March 2014 08:31 PM *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com *Subject:* Re: Luxology Modo 50% off for this mailing list - A new word from Brad Peebler On Sat, Mar 8, 2014 at 1:17 PM, Tim Crowson tim.crow...@magneticdreams.com wrote: I'm just tired of the emotional hooplah over this stuff. Heh, you should wait a few months then. :) Honestly though. I'm not saying there are fools but there are people already buying into these deals. Just wait a few months ffs. Eric Thivierge http://www.ethivierge.com This communication is intended for the addressee only. It is confidential. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately and destroy the original message. You may not copy or disseminate this communication without the permission of the University. Only authorised signatories are competent to enter into agreements on behalf of the University and recipients are thus advised that the content of this message may not be legally binding on the University and may contain the personal views and opinions of the author, which are not necessarily the views and opinions of The University of the Witwatersrand, Johannesburg. All agreements between the University and outsiders are subject to South African Law unless the University agrees in writing to the contrary.
Re: Luxology Modo 50% off for this mailing list - A new word from Brad Peebler
+1 on webinar -- *Greg Maguire* | Inlifesize Mobile: +44 7512 361462 | Phone: +44 2890 204739 g...@inlifesize.com | www.inlifesize.com
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I wouldn't mind knowing more On 7 March 2014 10:33, Greg Maguire g...@inlifesize.com wrote: +1 on webinar -- *Greg Maguire* | Inlifesize Mobile: +44 7512 361462 | Phone: +44 2890 204739 g...@inlifesize.com | www.inlifesize.com -- Chris Marshall Mint Motion Limited 029 20 37 27 57 07730 533 115 www.mintmotion.co.uk
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I'm also interested in the webinar. On Friday, March 7, 2014, Chris Marshall chrismarshal...@gmail.com wrote: I wouldn't mind knowing more On 7 March 2014 10:33, Greg Maguire g...@inlifesize.comjavascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','g...@inlifesize.com'); wrote: +1 on webinar -- *Greg Maguire* | Inlifesize Mobile: +44 7512 361462 | Phone: +44 2890 204739 g...@inlifesize.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','g...@inlifesize.com'); | www.inlifesize.com -- Chris Marshall Mint Motion Limited 029 20 37 27 57 07730 533 115 www.mintmotion.co.uk
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Me too. I'm curious what else Modo can do well besides modeling. On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 6:33 AM, Mikael Pettersén mikael.petter...@gmail.com wrote: I'm also interested in the webinar. On Friday, March 7, 2014, Chris Marshall chrismarshal...@gmail.com wrote: I wouldn't mind knowing more On 7 March 2014 10:33, Greg Maguire g...@inlifesize.com wrote: +1 on webinar -- *Greg Maguire* | Inlifesize Mobile: +44 7512 361462 | Phone: +44 2890 204739 g...@inlifesize.com | www.inlifesize.com -- Chris Marshall Mint Motion Limited 029 20 37 27 57 07730 533 115 www.mintmotion.co.uk
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I'm interested in the webinar as well. On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 9:41 AM, Alan Fregtman alan.fregt...@gmail.comwrote: Me too. I'm curious what else Modo can do well besides modeling. On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 6:33 AM, Mikael Pettersén mikael.petter...@gmail.com wrote: I'm also interested in the webinar. On Friday, March 7, 2014, Chris Marshall chrismarshal...@gmail.com wrote: I wouldn't mind knowing more On 7 March 2014 10:33, Greg Maguire g...@inlifesize.com wrote: +1 on webinar -- *Greg Maguire* | Inlifesize Mobile: +44 7512 361462 | Phone: +44 2890 204739 g...@inlifesize.com | www.inlifesize.com -- Chris Marshall Mint Motion Limited 029 20 37 27 57 07730 533 115 www.mintmotion.co.uk -- bill hinkson animator designer http://billhinksondesign.com
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me too please :) -- Jon Swindells jon_swinde...@fastmail.fm On Fri, Mar 7, 2014, at 05:00 PM, Bill Hinkson wrote: I'm interested in the webinar as well. On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 9:41 AM, Alan Fregtman [1]alan.fregt...@gmail.com wrote: Me too. I'm curious what else Modo can do well besides modeling. On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 6:33 AM, Mikael Pettersén [2]mikael.petter...@gmail.com wrote: I'm also interested in the webinar. On Friday, March 7, 2014, Chris Marshall [3]chrismarshal...@gmail.com wrote: I wouldn't mind knowing more On 7 March 2014 10:33, Greg Maguire g...@inlifesize.com wrote: +1 on webinar -- Greg Maguire | Inlifesize Mobile: [4]+44 7512 361462 | Phone: [5]+44 2890 204739 g...@inlifesize.com | [6]www.inlifesize.com -- [mint.png] Chris Marshall Mint Motion Limited 029 20 37 27 57 07730 533 115 [7]www.mintmotion.co.uk -- bill hinkson animator designer [8]http://billhinksondesign.com References 1. mailto:alan.fregt...@gmail.com 2. mailto:mikael.petter...@gmail.com 3. mailto:chrismarshal...@gmail.com 4. tel:%2B44%207512%20361462 5. tel:%2B44%202890%20204739 6. http://www.inlifesize.com/ 7. http://www.mintmotion.co.uk/ 8. http://billhinksondesign.com/
Re: Luxology Modo 50% off for this mailing list - A new word from Brad Peebler
only been a lurker on this list, but a relative long time Softimage user (since XSI v4), and considering my next options so count me in an webinar too Robert 2014-03-07 16:37 GMT+01:00 Jon Swindells jon_swinde...@fastmail.fm: me too please :) -- Jon Swindells jon_swinde...@fastmail.fm On Fri, Mar 7, 2014, at 05:00 PM, Bill Hinkson wrote: I'm interested in the webinar as well. On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 9:41 AM, Alan Fregtman alan.fregt...@gmail.comwrote: Me too. I'm curious what else Modo can do well besides modeling. On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 6:33 AM, Mikael Pettersén mikael.petter...@gmail.com wrote: I'm also interested in the webinar. On Friday, March 7, 2014, Chris Marshall chrismarshal...@gmail.com wrote: I wouldn't mind knowing more On 7 March 2014 10:33, Greg Maguire g...@inlifesize.com wrote: +1 on webinar -- *Greg Maguire* | Inlifesize Mobile: +44 7512 361462 | Phone: +44 2890 204739 g...@inlifesize.com | www.inlifesize.com -- Chris Marshall Mint Motion Limited 029 20 37 27 57 07730 533 115 www.mintmotion.co.uk -- bill hinkson animator designer http://billhinksondesign.com
Re: Luxology Modo 50% off for this mailing list - A new word from Brad Peebler
Would love a webinar as well. Count me in if its going ahead. On 7 March 2014 15:56, Robert Kjettrup rob...@maydayfilm.dk wrote: only been a lurker on this list, but a relative long time Softimage user (since XSI v4), and considering my next options so count me in an webinar too Robert 2014-03-07 16:37 GMT+01:00 Jon Swindells jon_swinde...@fastmail.fm: me too please :) -- Jon Swindells jon_swinde...@fastmail.fm On Fri, Mar 7, 2014, at 05:00 PM, Bill Hinkson wrote: I'm interested in the webinar as well. On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 9:41 AM, Alan Fregtman alan.fregt...@gmail.comwrote: Me too. I'm curious what else Modo can do well besides modeling. On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 6:33 AM, Mikael Pettersén mikael.petter...@gmail.com wrote: I'm also interested in the webinar. On Friday, March 7, 2014, Chris Marshall chrismarshal...@gmail.com wrote: I wouldn't mind knowing more On 7 March 2014 10:33, Greg Maguire g...@inlifesize.com wrote: +1 on webinar -- *Greg Maguire* | Inlifesize Mobile: +44 7512 361462 | Phone: +44 2890 204739 g...@inlifesize.com | www.inlifesize.com -- Chris Marshall Mint Motion Limited 029 20 37 27 57 07730 533 115 www.mintmotion.co.uk -- bill hinkson animator designer http://billhinksondesign.com
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+1 2014-03-07 14:50 GMT-03:00 Kevin mc bride kev@gmail.com: Would love a webinar as well. Count me in if its going ahead. On 7 March 2014 15:56, Robert Kjettrup rob...@maydayfilm.dk wrote: only been a lurker on this list, but a relative long time Softimage user (since XSI v4), and considering my next options so count me in an webinar too Robert 2014-03-07 16:37 GMT+01:00 Jon Swindells jon_swinde...@fastmail.fm: me too please :) -- Jon Swindells jon_swinde...@fastmail.fm On Fri, Mar 7, 2014, at 05:00 PM, Bill Hinkson wrote: I'm interested in the webinar as well. On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 9:41 AM, Alan Fregtman alan.fregt...@gmail.comwrote: Me too. I'm curious what else Modo can do well besides modeling. On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 6:33 AM, Mikael Pettersén mikael.petter...@gmail.com wrote: I'm also interested in the webinar. On Friday, March 7, 2014, Chris Marshall chrismarshal...@gmail.com wrote: I wouldn't mind knowing more On 7 March 2014 10:33, Greg Maguire g...@inlifesize.com wrote: +1 on webinar -- *Greg Maguire* | Inlifesize Mobile: +44 7512 361462 | Phone: +44 2890 204739 g...@inlifesize.com | www.inlifesize.com -- Chris Marshall Mint Motion Limited 029 20 37 27 57 07730 533 115 www.mintmotion.co.uk -- bill hinkson animator designer http://billhinksondesign.com
Re: Luxology Modo 50% off for this mailing list - A new word from Brad Peebler
Webinar sounds great. +1 On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 12:54 PM, Francisco Criado malcriad...@gmail.comwrote: +1 2014-03-07 14:50 GMT-03:00 Kevin mc bride kev@gmail.com: Would love a webinar as well. Count me in if its going ahead. On 7 March 2014 15:56, Robert Kjettrup rob...@maydayfilm.dk wrote: only been a lurker on this list, but a relative long time Softimage user (since XSI v4), and considering my next options so count me in an webinar too Robert 2014-03-07 16:37 GMT+01:00 Jon Swindells jon_swinde...@fastmail.fm: me too please :) -- Jon Swindells jon_swinde...@fastmail.fm On Fri, Mar 7, 2014, at 05:00 PM, Bill Hinkson wrote: I'm interested in the webinar as well. On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 9:41 AM, Alan Fregtman alan.fregt...@gmail.comwrote: Me too. I'm curious what else Modo can do well besides modeling. On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 6:33 AM, Mikael Pettersén mikael.petter...@gmail.com wrote: I'm also interested in the webinar. On Friday, March 7, 2014, Chris Marshall chrismarshal...@gmail.com wrote: I wouldn't mind knowing more On 7 March 2014 10:33, Greg Maguire g...@inlifesize.com wrote: +1 on webinar -- *Greg Maguire* | Inlifesize Mobile: +44 7512 361462 | Phone: +44 2890 204739 g...@inlifesize.com | www.inlifesize.com -- Chris Marshall Mint Motion Limited 029 20 37 27 57 07730 533 115 www.mintmotion.co.uk -- bill hinkson animator designer http://billhinksondesign.com -- Dave Thomlison
Re: Luxology Modo 50% off for this mailing list - A new word from Brad Peebler
Don't know if anyone has seen this, but for anyone wanting to incorporate Mari into their workflow, the Foundry offers a nice bundle. http://blog.motionmedia.com/upgrade-foundry-creation-collective/ This apparently works if you don't mind being on annual maintenance (around $550). I'm not yet sold on MODO (open to considering it), but the numbers look interesting. If you were to buy MODO alone for half price and upgrade within the year to 801, you would have invested around $1100 - $1250, depending on the upgrade offer. This bundle would allow you to take your half-price MODO and upgrade to the bundle for an additional $1240 (total investment around $2000) which would give you free updates to 801 when it releases. Again it involves a maintenance plan, but the cost is fairly reasonable. Their maintenance is just a few bucks more than upgrading MODO alone. Just pointing out the deal. It may or may not work for anyone here in particular, but it looked interesting (assuming MODO looks like a good path). On Mar 7, 2014, at 11:55 AM, Dave Thomlison dthomli...@gmail.com wrote: Webinar sounds great. +1 On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 12:54 PM, Francisco Criado malcriad...@gmail.com wrote: +1 2014-03-07 14:50 GMT-03:00 Kevin mc bride kev@gmail.com: Would love a webinar as well. Count me in if its going ahead. On 7 March 2014 15:56, Robert Kjettrup rob...@maydayfilm.dk wrote: only been a lurker on this list, but a relative long time Softimage user (since XSI v4), and considering my next options so count me in an webinar too Robert 2014-03-07 16:37 GMT+01:00 Jon Swindells jon_swinde...@fastmail.fm: me too please :) -- Jon Swindells jon_swinde...@fastmail.fm On Fri, Mar 7, 2014, at 05:00 PM, Bill Hinkson wrote: I'm interested in the webinar as well. On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 9:41 AM, Alan Fregtman alan.fregt...@gmail.com wrote: Me too. I'm curious what else Modo can do well besides modeling. On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 6:33 AM, Mikael Pettersén mikael.petter...@gmail.com wrote: I'm also interested in the webinar. On Friday, March 7, 2014, Chris Marshall chrismarshal...@gmail.com wrote: I wouldn't mind knowing more On 7 March 2014 10:33, Greg Maguire g...@inlifesize.com wrote: +1 on webinar -- Greg Maguire | Inlifesize Mobile: +44 7512 361462 | Phone: +44 2890 204739 g...@inlifesize.com | www.inlifesize.com -- Chris Marshall Mint Motion Limited 029 20 37 27 57 07730 533 115 www.mintmotion.co.uk -- bill hinkson animator designer http://billhinksondesign.com -- Dave Thomlison Michael Clarke Design Blue C Studios 713-927-9835
Re: Luxology Modo 50% off for this mailing list - A new word from Brad Peebler
Yes ... I got word from Brad. It's always nice when you are able to get in touch with people who makes decisions. I'll buy Modo for my personal tool. I like where they are taking it. As for professional ... hell, I still use 3ds Max for FX and I'm currently learning Maya for FX also. I could go to Houdini, but that will have to wait as the job opportunities are greater in AD side. Cheers. On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 7:44 PM, Michael Clarke m...@bluecstudios.com wrote: From what I gather, some kind of incentive will still be offered to the list. I think they just had to remove the code because word spread too quickly. On Mar 7, 2014, at 4:29 PM, Maurício PC goneba...@gmail.com wrote: I'm more than willing to try modo. I guess I should have bought when the code was working. Now the code is gone. Let's keep studying than. But this collective looks really cool. On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 7:27 PM, Michael Clarke m...@bluecstudios.comwrote: Don't know if anyone has seen this, but for anyone wanting to incorporate Mari into their workflow, the Foundry offers a nice bundle. http://blog.motionmedia.com/upgrade-foundry-creation-collective/ This apparently works if you don't mind being on annual maintenance (around $550). I'm not yet sold on MODO (open to considering it), but the numbers look interesting. If you were to buy MODO alone for half price and upgrade within the year to 801, you would have invested around $1100 - $1250, depending on the upgrade offer. This bundle would allow you to take your half-price MODO and upgrade to the bundle for an additional $1240 (total investment around $2000) which would give you free updates to 801 when it releases. Again it involves a maintenance plan, but the cost is fairly reasonable. Their maintenance is just a few bucks more than upgrading MODO alone. Just pointing out the deal. It may or may not work for anyone here in particular, but it looked interesting (assuming MODO looks like a good path). On Mar 7, 2014, at 11:55 AM, Dave Thomlison dthomli...@gmail.com wrote: Webinar sounds great. +1 On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 12:54 PM, Francisco Criado malcriad...@gmail.comwrote: +1 2014-03-07 14:50 GMT-03:00 Kevin mc bride kev@gmail.com: Would love a webinar as well. Count me in if its going ahead. On 7 March 2014 15:56, Robert Kjettrup rob...@maydayfilm.dk wrote: only been a lurker on this list, but a relative long time Softimage user (since XSI v4), and considering my next options so count me in an webinar too Robert 2014-03-07 16:37 GMT+01:00 Jon Swindells jon_swinde...@fastmail.fm: me too please :) -- Jon Swindells jon_swinde...@fastmail.fm On Fri, Mar 7, 2014, at 05:00 PM, Bill Hinkson wrote: I'm interested in the webinar as well. On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 9:41 AM, Alan Fregtman alan.fregt...@gmail.com wrote: Me too. I'm curious what else Modo can do well besides modeling. On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 6:33 AM, Mikael Pettersén mikael.petter...@gmail.com wrote: I'm also interested in the webinar. On Friday, March 7, 2014, Chris Marshall chrismarshal...@gmail.com wrote: I wouldn't mind knowing more On 7 March 2014 10:33, Greg Maguire g...@inlifesize.com wrote: +1 on webinar -- *Greg Maguire* | Inlifesize Mobile: +44 7512 361462 | Phone: +44 2890 204739 g...@inlifesize.com | www.inlifesize.com -- Chris Marshall Mint Motion Limited 029 20 37 27 57 07730 533 115 www.mintmotion.co.uk -- bill hinkson animator designer http://billhinksondesign.com -- Dave Thomlison Michael Clarke Design Blue C Studios 713-927-9835 -- gonebadfx.com - your source for bad fx Michael Clarke Design Blue C Studios 713-927-9835 -- gonebadfx.com - your source for bad fx
Re: Luxology Modo 50% off for this mailing list - A new word from Brad Peebler
From what I gather, some kind of incentive will still be offered to the list. I think they just had to remove the code because word spread too quickly. On Mar 7, 2014, at 4:29 PM, Maurício PC goneba...@gmail.com wrote: I'm more than willing to try modo. I guess I should have bought when the code was working. Now the code is gone. Let's keep studying than. But this collective looks really cool. On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 7:27 PM, Michael Clarke m...@bluecstudios.com wrote: Don't know if anyone has seen this, but for anyone wanting to incorporate Mari into their workflow, the Foundry offers a nice bundle. http://blog.motionmedia.com/upgrade-foundry-creation-collective/ This apparently works if you don't mind being on annual maintenance (around $550). I'm not yet sold on MODO (open to considering it), but the numbers look interesting. If you were to buy MODO alone for half price and upgrade within the year to 801, you would have invested around $1100 - $1250, depending on the upgrade offer. This bundle would allow you to take your half-price MODO and upgrade to the bundle for an additional $1240 (total investment around $2000) which would give you free updates to 801 when it releases. Again it involves a maintenance plan, but the cost is fairly reasonable. Their maintenance is just a few bucks more than upgrading MODO alone. Just pointing out the deal. It may or may not work for anyone here in particular, but it looked interesting (assuming MODO looks like a good path). On Mar 7, 2014, at 11:55 AM, Dave Thomlison dthomli...@gmail.com wrote: Webinar sounds great. +1 On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 12:54 PM, Francisco Criado malcriad...@gmail.com wrote: +1 2014-03-07 14:50 GMT-03:00 Kevin mc bride kev@gmail.com: Would love a webinar as well. Count me in if its going ahead. On 7 March 2014 15:56, Robert Kjettrup rob...@maydayfilm.dk wrote: only been a lurker on this list, but a relative long time Softimage user (since XSI v4), and considering my next options so count me in an webinar too Robert 2014-03-07 16:37 GMT+01:00 Jon Swindells jon_swinde...@fastmail.fm: me too please :) -- Jon Swindells jon_swinde...@fastmail.fm On Fri, Mar 7, 2014, at 05:00 PM, Bill Hinkson wrote: I'm interested in the webinar as well. On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 9:41 AM, Alan Fregtman alan.fregt...@gmail.com wrote: Me too. I'm curious what else Modo can do well besides modeling. On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 6:33 AM, Mikael Pettersén mikael.petter...@gmail.com wrote: I'm also interested in the webinar. On Friday, March 7, 2014, Chris Marshall chrismarshal...@gmail.com wrote: I wouldn't mind knowing more On 7 March 2014 10:33, Greg Maguire g...@inlifesize.com wrote: +1 on webinar -- Greg Maguire | Inlifesize Mobile: +44 7512 361462 | Phone: +44 2890 204739 g...@inlifesize.com | www.inlifesize.com -- Chris Marshall Mint Motion Limited 029 20 37 27 57 07730 533 115 www.mintmotion.co.uk -- bill hinkson animator designer http://billhinksondesign.com -- Dave Thomlison Michael Clarke Design Blue C Studios 713-927-9835 -- gonebadfx.com - your source for bad fx Michael Clarke Design Blue C Studios 713-927-9835
Re: Luxology Modo 50% off for this mailing list - A new word from Brad Peebler
For high end fx work Maya offers few to none opportunities. Houdini is king everywhere for FX, and in large film shops, again talking purely FX, it's adoption is scary close to 100%. Maya holds a similar monopoly only and exclusively for animation. On 8 Mar 2014 09:47, Maurício PC goneba...@gmail.com wrote: Yes ... I got word from Brad. It's always nice when you are able to get in touch with people who makes decisions. I'll buy Modo for my personal tool. I like where they are taking it. As for professional ... hell, I still use 3ds Max for FX and I'm currently learning Maya for FX also. I could go to Houdini, but that will have to wait as the job opportunities are greater in AD side. Cheers. On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 7:44 PM, Michael Clarke m...@bluecstudios.comwrote: From what I gather, some kind of incentive will still be offered to the list. I think they just had to remove the code because word spread too quickly. On Mar 7, 2014, at 4:29 PM, Maurício PC goneba...@gmail.com wrote: I'm more than willing to try modo. I guess I should have bought when the code was working. Now the code is gone. Let's keep studying than. But this collective looks really cool. On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 7:27 PM, Michael Clarke m...@bluecstudios.comwrote: Don't know if anyone has seen this, but for anyone wanting to incorporate Mari into their workflow, the Foundry offers a nice bundle. http://blog.motionmedia.com/upgrade-foundry-creation-collective/ This apparently works if you don't mind being on annual maintenance (around $550). I'm not yet sold on MODO (open to considering it), but the numbers look interesting. If you were to buy MODO alone for half price and upgrade within the year to 801, you would have invested around $1100 - $1250, depending on the upgrade offer. This bundle would allow you to take your half-price MODO and upgrade to the bundle for an additional $1240 (total investment around $2000) which would give you free updates to 801 when it releases. Again it involves a maintenance plan, but the cost is fairly reasonable. Their maintenance is just a few bucks more than upgrading MODO alone. Just pointing out the deal. It may or may not work for anyone here in particular, but it looked interesting (assuming MODO looks like a good path). On Mar 7, 2014, at 11:55 AM, Dave Thomlison dthomli...@gmail.com wrote: Webinar sounds great. +1 On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 12:54 PM, Francisco Criado malcriad...@gmail.com wrote: +1 2014-03-07 14:50 GMT-03:00 Kevin mc bride kev@gmail.com: Would love a webinar as well. Count me in if its going ahead. On 7 March 2014 15:56, Robert Kjettrup rob...@maydayfilm.dk wrote: only been a lurker on this list, but a relative long time Softimage user (since XSI v4), and considering my next options so count me in an webinar too Robert 2014-03-07 16:37 GMT+01:00 Jon Swindells jon_swinde...@fastmail.fm: me too please :) -- Jon Swindells jon_swinde...@fastmail.fm On Fri, Mar 7, 2014, at 05:00 PM, Bill Hinkson wrote: I'm interested in the webinar as well. On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 9:41 AM, Alan Fregtman alan.fregt...@gmail.com wrote: Me too. I'm curious what else Modo can do well besides modeling. On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 6:33 AM, Mikael Pettersén mikael.petter...@gmail.com wrote: I'm also interested in the webinar. On Friday, March 7, 2014, Chris Marshall chrismarshal...@gmail.com wrote: I wouldn't mind knowing more On 7 March 2014 10:33, Greg Maguire g...@inlifesize.com wrote: +1 on webinar -- *Greg Maguire* | Inlifesize Mobile: +44 7512 361462 | Phone: +44 2890 204739 g...@inlifesize.com | www.inlifesize.com -- Chris Marshall Mint Motion Limited 029 20 37 27 57 07730 533 115 www.mintmotion.co.uk -- bill hinkson animator designer http://billhinksondesign.com -- Dave Thomlison Michael Clarke Design Blue C Studios 713-927-9835 -- gonebadfx.com - your source for bad fx Michael Clarke Design Blue C Studios 713-927-9835 -- gonebadfx.com - your source for bad fx
Re: Luxology Modo 50% off for this mailing list - A new word from Brad Peebler
Really? Damnit! I thought I would have a good change using Maya ... I even bought some training. lol Got that impression from all schools that I hear well teaching Maya and Houdini for FX, like Lost Boys, Gnomon. :/ On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 8:14 PM, Raffaele Fragapane raffsxsil...@googlemail.com wrote: For high end fx work Maya offers few to none opportunities. Houdini is king everywhere for FX, and in large film shops, again talking purely FX, it's adoption is scary close to 100%. Maya holds a similar monopoly only and exclusively for animation. On 8 Mar 2014 09:47, Maurício PC goneba...@gmail.com wrote: Yes ... I got word from Brad. It's always nice when you are able to get in touch with people who makes decisions. I'll buy Modo for my personal tool. I like where they are taking it. As for professional ... hell, I still use 3ds Max for FX and I'm currently learning Maya for FX also. I could go to Houdini, but that will have to wait as the job opportunities are greater in AD side. Cheers. On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 7:44 PM, Michael Clarke m...@bluecstudios.comwrote: From what I gather, some kind of incentive will still be offered to the list. I think they just had to remove the code because word spread too quickly. On Mar 7, 2014, at 4:29 PM, Maurício PC goneba...@gmail.com wrote: I'm more than willing to try modo. I guess I should have bought when the code was working. Now the code is gone. Let's keep studying than. But this collective looks really cool. On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 7:27 PM, Michael Clarke m...@bluecstudios.comwrote: Don't know if anyone has seen this, but for anyone wanting to incorporate Mari into their workflow, the Foundry offers a nice bundle. http://blog.motionmedia.com/upgrade-foundry-creation-collective/ This apparently works if you don't mind being on annual maintenance (around $550). I'm not yet sold on MODO (open to considering it), but the numbers look interesting. If you were to buy MODO alone for half price and upgrade within the year to 801, you would have invested around $1100 - $1250, depending on the upgrade offer. This bundle would allow you to take your half-price MODO and upgrade to the bundle for an additional $1240 (total investment around $2000) which would give you free updates to 801 when it releases. Again it involves a maintenance plan, but the cost is fairly reasonable. Their maintenance is just a few bucks more than upgrading MODO alone. Just pointing out the deal. It may or may not work for anyone here in particular, but it looked interesting (assuming MODO looks like a good path). On Mar 7, 2014, at 11:55 AM, Dave Thomlison dthomli...@gmail.com wrote: Webinar sounds great. +1 On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 12:54 PM, Francisco Criado malcriad...@gmail.com wrote: +1 2014-03-07 14:50 GMT-03:00 Kevin mc bride kev@gmail.com: Would love a webinar as well. Count me in if its going ahead. On 7 March 2014 15:56, Robert Kjettrup rob...@maydayfilm.dk wrote: only been a lurker on this list, but a relative long time Softimage user (since XSI v4), and considering my next options so count me in an webinar too Robert 2014-03-07 16:37 GMT+01:00 Jon Swindells jon_swinde...@fastmail.fm : me too please :) -- Jon Swindells jon_swinde...@fastmail.fm On Fri, Mar 7, 2014, at 05:00 PM, Bill Hinkson wrote: I'm interested in the webinar as well. On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 9:41 AM, Alan Fregtman alan.fregt...@gmail.com wrote: Me too. I'm curious what else Modo can do well besides modeling. On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 6:33 AM, Mikael Pettersén mikael.petter...@gmail.com wrote: I'm also interested in the webinar. On Friday, March 7, 2014, Chris Marshall chrismarshal...@gmail.com wrote: I wouldn't mind knowing more On 7 March 2014 10:33, Greg Maguire g...@inlifesize.com wrote: +1 on webinar -- *Greg Maguire* | Inlifesize Mobile: +44 7512 361462 | Phone: +44 2890 204739 g...@inlifesize.com | www.inlifesize.com -- Chris Marshall Mint Motion Limited 029 20 37 27 57 07730 533 115 www.mintmotion.co.uk -- bill hinkson animator designer http://billhinksondesign.com -- Dave Thomlison Michael Clarke Design Blue C Studios 713-927-9835 -- gonebadfx.com - your source for bad fx Michael Clarke Design Blue C Studios 713-927-9835 -- gonebadfx.com - your source for bad fx -- gonebadfx.com - your source for bad fx
Re: Luxology Modo 50% off for this mailing list - A new word from Brad Peebler
I'm more than willing to try modo. I guess I should have bought when the code was working. Now the code is gone. Let's keep studying than. But this collective looks really cool. On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 7:27 PM, Michael Clarke m...@bluecstudios.com wrote: Don't know if anyone has seen this, but for anyone wanting to incorporate Mari into their workflow, the Foundry offers a nice bundle. http://blog.motionmedia.com/upgrade-foundry-creation-collective/ This apparently works if you don't mind being on annual maintenance (around $550). I'm not yet sold on MODO (open to considering it), but the numbers look interesting. If you were to buy MODO alone for half price and upgrade within the year to 801, you would have invested around $1100 - $1250, depending on the upgrade offer. This bundle would allow you to take your half-price MODO and upgrade to the bundle for an additional $1240 (total investment around $2000) which would give you free updates to 801 when it releases. Again it involves a maintenance plan, but the cost is fairly reasonable. Their maintenance is just a few bucks more than upgrading MODO alone. Just pointing out the deal. It may or may not work for anyone here in particular, but it looked interesting (assuming MODO looks like a good path). On Mar 7, 2014, at 11:55 AM, Dave Thomlison dthomli...@gmail.com wrote: Webinar sounds great. +1 On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 12:54 PM, Francisco Criado malcriad...@gmail.comwrote: +1 2014-03-07 14:50 GMT-03:00 Kevin mc bride kev@gmail.com: Would love a webinar as well. Count me in if its going ahead. On 7 March 2014 15:56, Robert Kjettrup rob...@maydayfilm.dk wrote: only been a lurker on this list, but a relative long time Softimage user (since XSI v4), and considering my next options so count me in an webinar too Robert 2014-03-07 16:37 GMT+01:00 Jon Swindells jon_swinde...@fastmail.fm: me too please :) -- Jon Swindells jon_swinde...@fastmail.fm On Fri, Mar 7, 2014, at 05:00 PM, Bill Hinkson wrote: I'm interested in the webinar as well. On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 9:41 AM, Alan Fregtman alan.fregt...@gmail.com wrote: Me too. I'm curious what else Modo can do well besides modeling. On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 6:33 AM, Mikael Pettersén mikael.petter...@gmail.com wrote: I'm also interested in the webinar. On Friday, March 7, 2014, Chris Marshall chrismarshal...@gmail.com wrote: I wouldn't mind knowing more On 7 March 2014 10:33, Greg Maguire g...@inlifesize.com wrote: +1 on webinar -- *Greg Maguire* | Inlifesize Mobile: +44 7512 361462 | Phone: +44 2890 204739 g...@inlifesize.com | www.inlifesize.com -- Chris Marshall Mint Motion Limited 029 20 37 27 57 07730 533 115 www.mintmotion.co.uk -- bill hinkson animator designer http://billhinksondesign.com -- Dave Thomlison Michael Clarke Design Blue C Studios 713-927-9835 -- gonebadfx.com - your source for bad fx
Re: Luxology Modo 50% off for this mailing list - A new word from Brad Peebler
Try it, and of you like it get in touch with Brad. He'll honour that offer for longer than the code has been out for (though not forever obviously). The code itself was just a symbolic gesture, modo itself isn't even the point ,the point is showing how some companies can be both agile and considerate while having a name and a face talking responsibility. On 8 Mar 2014 09:31, Maurício PC goneba...@gmail.com wrote: I'm more than willing to try modo. I guess I should have bought when the code was working. Now the code is gone. Let's keep studying than. But this collective looks really cool. On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 7:27 PM, Michael Clarke m...@bluecstudios.comwrote: Don't know if anyone has seen this, but for anyone wanting to incorporate Mari into their workflow, the Foundry offers a nice bundle. http://blog.motionmedia.com/upgrade-foundry-creation-collective/ This apparently works if you don't mind being on annual maintenance (around $550). I'm not yet sold on MODO (open to considering it), but the numbers look interesting. If you were to buy MODO alone for half price and upgrade within the year to 801, you would have invested around $1100 - $1250, depending on the upgrade offer. This bundle would allow you to take your half-price MODO and upgrade to the bundle for an additional $1240 (total investment around $2000) which would give you free updates to 801 when it releases. Again it involves a maintenance plan, but the cost is fairly reasonable. Their maintenance is just a few bucks more than upgrading MODO alone. Just pointing out the deal. It may or may not work for anyone here in particular, but it looked interesting (assuming MODO looks like a good path). On Mar 7, 2014, at 11:55 AM, Dave Thomlison dthomli...@gmail.com wrote: Webinar sounds great. +1 On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 12:54 PM, Francisco Criado malcriad...@gmail.comwrote: +1 2014-03-07 14:50 GMT-03:00 Kevin mc bride kev@gmail.com: Would love a webinar as well. Count me in if its going ahead. On 7 March 2014 15:56, Robert Kjettrup rob...@maydayfilm.dk wrote: only been a lurker on this list, but a relative long time Softimage user (since XSI v4), and considering my next options so count me in an webinar too Robert 2014-03-07 16:37 GMT+01:00 Jon Swindells jon_swinde...@fastmail.fm: me too please :) -- Jon Swindells jon_swinde...@fastmail.fm On Fri, Mar 7, 2014, at 05:00 PM, Bill Hinkson wrote: I'm interested in the webinar as well. On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 9:41 AM, Alan Fregtman alan.fregt...@gmail.com wrote: Me too. I'm curious what else Modo can do well besides modeling. On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 6:33 AM, Mikael Pettersén mikael.petter...@gmail.com wrote: I'm also interested in the webinar. On Friday, March 7, 2014, Chris Marshall chrismarshal...@gmail.com wrote: I wouldn't mind knowing more On 7 March 2014 10:33, Greg Maguire g...@inlifesize.com wrote: +1 on webinar -- *Greg Maguire* | Inlifesize Mobile: +44 7512 361462 | Phone: +44 2890 204739 g...@inlifesize.com | www.inlifesize.com -- Chris Marshall Mint Motion Limited 029 20 37 27 57 07730 533 115 www.mintmotion.co.uk -- bill hinkson animator designer http://billhinksondesign.com -- Dave Thomlison Michael Clarke Design Blue C Studios 713-927-9835 -- gonebadfx.com - your source for bad fx
Re: Luxology Modo 50% off for this mailing list - A new word from Brad Peebler
Maya is used for FX in places where it's used end-to-end, usually places with little concern for, or need to, have multi software pipes. Anybody who can afford to deploy and tie together different pieces of software has moved partially or entirely to Houdini for FX work over the last five years or so. Animal Logic, Weta, DNeg, Framestore, DW, D2, RnH, all adopted to different extents. It's a much longer list. Quite a few high end TVC boutiques too. The Mill I think has had pretty decent results too, but someone working there should confirm, I can't speak for them. Even Disney and Pixar I believe, but not 100% sure to what extent and probably not super pervasively as they had more than one very interesting technique still tied to Maya user facing clients (XGen the most known, but that's sort of more charFX and env than FX). Maya tends to see presence only for simplistic stuff, or when there's a certain amount of legacy, or heritage in the good cases, that's still functional. Houdini can be a pain int he arse for some things, but the sheer amount of canned tools, solvers, and open ended graphs available covers practically the whole range of FX with no plugins, and Mantra is getting better instead of being obsoleted like most other integrated rendering engines out there (I think only Modo and Houdini currently have engines that are not routinely and instantly supplanted by any user who can). On Sat, Mar 8, 2014 at 10:35 AM, Maurício PC goneba...@gmail.com wrote: Really? Damnit! I thought I would have a good change using Maya ... I even bought some training. lol Got that impression from all schools that I hear well teaching Maya and Houdini for FX, like Lost Boys, Gnomon. :/ On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 8:14 PM, Raffaele Fragapane raffsxsil...@googlemail.com wrote: For high end fx work Maya offers few to none opportunities. Houdini is king everywhere for FX, and in large film shops, again talking purely FX, it's adoption is scary close to 100%. Maya holds a similar monopoly only and exclusively for animation. On 8 Mar 2014 09:47, Maurício PC goneba...@gmail.com wrote: Yes ... I got word from Brad. It's always nice when you are able to get in touch with people who makes decisions. I'll buy Modo for my personal tool. I like where they are taking it. As for professional ... hell, I still use 3ds Max for FX and I'm currently learning Maya for FX also. I could go to Houdini, but that will have to wait as the job opportunities are greater in AD side. Cheers. On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 7:44 PM, Michael Clarke m...@bluecstudios.comwrote: From what I gather, some kind of incentive will still be offered to the list. I think they just had to remove the code because word spread too quickly. On Mar 7, 2014, at 4:29 PM, Maurício PC goneba...@gmail.com wrote: I'm more than willing to try modo. I guess I should have bought when the code was working. Now the code is gone. Let's keep studying than. But this collective looks really cool. On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 7:27 PM, Michael Clarke m...@bluecstudios.comwrote: Don't know if anyone has seen this, but for anyone wanting to incorporate Mari into their workflow, the Foundry offers a nice bundle. http://blog.motionmedia.com/upgrade-foundry-creation-collective/ This apparently works if you don't mind being on annual maintenance (around $550). I'm not yet sold on MODO (open to considering it), but the numbers look interesting. If you were to buy MODO alone for half price and upgrade within the year to 801, you would have invested around $1100 - $1250, depending on the upgrade offer. This bundle would allow you to take your half-price MODO and upgrade to the bundle for an additional $1240 (total investment around $2000) which would give you free updates to 801 when it releases. Again it involves a maintenance plan, but the cost is fairly reasonable. Their maintenance is just a few bucks more than upgrading MODO alone. Just pointing out the deal. It may or may not work for anyone here in particular, but it looked interesting (assuming MODO looks like a good path). On Mar 7, 2014, at 11:55 AM, Dave Thomlison dthomli...@gmail.com wrote: Webinar sounds great. +1 On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 12:54 PM, Francisco Criado malcriad...@gmail.com wrote: +1 2014-03-07 14:50 GMT-03:00 Kevin mc bride kev@gmail.com: Would love a webinar as well. Count me in if its going ahead. On 7 March 2014 15:56, Robert Kjettrup rob...@maydayfilm.dk wrote: only been a lurker on this list, but a relative long time Softimage user (since XSI v4), and considering my next options so count me in an webinar too Robert 2014-03-07 16:37 GMT+01:00 Jon Swindells jon_swinde...@fastmail.fm : me too please :) -- Jon Swindells jon_swinde...@fastmail.fm On Fri, Mar 7, 2014, at 05:00 PM, Bill Hinkson wrote: I'm interested in the webinar as well. On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 9:41 AM, Alan Fregtman
Re: Luxology Modo 50% off for this mailing list - A new word from Brad Peebler
Mmm ... I just waiting for my Modo order to go through. Add to that Houdini and I may dismiss Maya then. I'll still watch the training because I guess it'll give me some ideas of the workings in FX. Guess that's better than nothing. I never really liked Maya, but I got the impression it was my best bet. See, even for this the list is amazing. :) On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 8:42 PM, Raffaele Fragapane raffsxsil...@googlemail.com wrote: Maya is used for FX in places where it's used end-to-end, usually places with little concern for, or need to, have multi software pipes. Anybody who can afford to deploy and tie together different pieces of software has moved partially or entirely to Houdini for FX work over the last five years or so. Animal Logic, Weta, DNeg, Framestore, DW, D2, RnH, all adopted to different extents. It's a much longer list. Quite a few high end TVC boutiques too. The Mill I think has had pretty decent results too, but someone working there should confirm, I can't speak for them. Even Disney and Pixar I believe, but not 100% sure to what extent and probably not super pervasively as they had more than one very interesting technique still tied to Maya user facing clients (XGen the most known, but that's sort of more charFX and env than FX). Maya tends to see presence only for simplistic stuff, or when there's a certain amount of legacy, or heritage in the good cases, that's still functional. Houdini can be a pain int he arse for some things, but the sheer amount of canned tools, solvers, and open ended graphs available covers practically the whole range of FX with no plugins, and Mantra is getting better instead of being obsoleted like most other integrated rendering engines out there (I think only Modo and Houdini currently have engines that are not routinely and instantly supplanted by any user who can). On Sat, Mar 8, 2014 at 10:35 AM, Maurício PC goneba...@gmail.com wrote: Really? Damnit! I thought I would have a good change using Maya ... I even bought some training. lol Got that impression from all schools that I hear well teaching Maya and Houdini for FX, like Lost Boys, Gnomon. :/ On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 8:14 PM, Raffaele Fragapane raffsxsil...@googlemail.com wrote: For high end fx work Maya offers few to none opportunities. Houdini is king everywhere for FX, and in large film shops, again talking purely FX, it's adoption is scary close to 100%. Maya holds a similar monopoly only and exclusively for animation. On 8 Mar 2014 09:47, Maurício PC goneba...@gmail.com wrote: Yes ... I got word from Brad. It's always nice when you are able to get in touch with people who makes decisions. I'll buy Modo for my personal tool. I like where they are taking it. As for professional ... hell, I still use 3ds Max for FX and I'm currently learning Maya for FX also. I could go to Houdini, but that will have to wait as the job opportunities are greater in AD side. Cheers. On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 7:44 PM, Michael Clarke m...@bluecstudios.comwrote: From what I gather, some kind of incentive will still be offered to the list. I think they just had to remove the code because word spread too quickly. On Mar 7, 2014, at 4:29 PM, Maurício PC goneba...@gmail.com wrote: I'm more than willing to try modo. I guess I should have bought when the code was working. Now the code is gone. Let's keep studying than. But this collective looks really cool. On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 7:27 PM, Michael Clarke m...@bluecstudios.comwrote: Don't know if anyone has seen this, but for anyone wanting to incorporate Mari into their workflow, the Foundry offers a nice bundle. http://blog.motionmedia.com/upgrade-foundry-creation-collective/ This apparently works if you don't mind being on annual maintenance (around $550). I'm not yet sold on MODO (open to considering it), but the numbers look interesting. If you were to buy MODO alone for half price and upgrade within the year to 801, you would have invested around $1100 - $1250, depending on the upgrade offer. This bundle would allow you to take your half-price MODO and upgrade to the bundle for an additional $1240 (total investment around $2000) which would give you free updates to 801 when it releases. Again it involves a maintenance plan, but the cost is fairly reasonable. Their maintenance is just a few bucks more than upgrading MODO alone. Just pointing out the deal. It may or may not work for anyone here in particular, but it looked interesting (assuming MODO looks like a good path). On Mar 7, 2014, at 11:55 AM, Dave Thomlison dthomli...@gmail.com wrote: Webinar sounds great. +1 On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 12:54 PM, Francisco Criado malcriad...@gmail.com wrote: +1 2014-03-07 14:50 GMT-03:00 Kevin mc bride kev@gmail.com: Would love a webinar as well. Count me in if its going ahead. On 7 March 2014 15:56, Robert Kjettrup rob...@maydayfilm.dkwrote: only
RE: Luxology Modo 50% off for this mailing list - A new word from Brad Peebler
For Gods sake try the demo before you buy! Last I used Modo (a very long time ago) it was severely lacking in a lot of features. Many may have been fixed, but Many may have not. Curves were a complete joke when I used it. They were absolutely terrible. Once you draw out your curve and drop the curve tool they would be converted to a chain of 2 point polygons which could then only be edited like polygons. Editing polygons had a habit of making a bunch of 2 point polygons which had to be cleaned up. The Photoshop like texturing system is terrible. Everyone else has node based systems and they still have this terrible layers system. There are two different rotation tools which are sometimes needed in different situation (I cant remember exactly why, but I know I never needed to use 2 different rotation tools before or since) which I really didnt like. Then theres the interface. I really, really dislike they interface. Its like everything was just thrown in there with very little thought with the excuse that you can arrange it however you like. Compared to Softimage where everything has its logical place to be, I find the Modo interface feels much like trying to pick up a needle with boxing gloves on. Many of these issues may have been fixed/improved, but even at 50% off, this program is no bargain if you cant stands to use it. From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Raffaele Fragapane Sent: Friday, March 07, 2014 2:44 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Luxology Modo 50% off for this mailing list - A new word from Brad Peebler Try it, and of you like it get in touch with Brad. He'll honour that offer for longer than the code has been out for (though not forever obviously). The code itself was just a symbolic gesture, modo itself isn't even the point ,the point is showing how some companies can be both agile and considerate while having a name and a face talking responsibility. On 8 Mar 2014 09:31, Maurício PC goneba...@gmail.com wrote: I'm more than willing to try modo. I guess I should have bought when the code was working. Now the code is gone. Let's keep studying than. But this collective looks really cool. On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 7:27 PM, Michael Clarke m...@bluecstudios.com wrote: Don't know if anyone has seen this, but for anyone wanting to incorporate Mari into their workflow, the Foundry offers a nice bundle. http://blog.motionmedia.com/upgrade-foundry-creation-collective/ This apparently works if you don't mind being on annual maintenance (around $550). I'm not yet sold on MODO (open to considering it), but the numbers look interesting. If you were to buy MODO alone for half price and upgrade within the year to 801, you would have invested around $1100 - $1250, depending on the upgrade offer. This bundle would allow you to take your half-price MODO and upgrade to the bundle for an additional $1240 (total investment around $2000) which would give you free updates to 801 when it releases. Again it involves a maintenance plan, but the cost is fairly reasonable. Their maintenance is just a few bucks more than upgrading MODO alone. Just pointing out the deal. It may or may not work for anyone here in particular, but it looked interesting (assuming MODO looks like a good path). On Mar 7, 2014, at 11:55 AM, Dave Thomlison dthomli...@gmail.com wrote: Webinar sounds great. +1 On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 12:54 PM, Francisco Criado malcriad...@gmail.com wrote: +1 2014-03-07 14:50 GMT-03:00 Kevin mc bride kev@gmail.com: Would love a webinar as well. Count me in if its going ahead. On 7 March 2014 15:56, Robert Kjettrup rob...@maydayfilm.dk wrote: only been a lurker on this list, but a relative long time Softimage user (since XSI v4), and considering my next options so count me in an webinar too Robert 2014-03-07 16:37 GMT+01:00 Jon Swindells jon_swinde...@fastmail.fm: me too please :) -- Jon Swindells jon_swinde...@fastmail.fm On Fri, Mar 7, 2014, at 05:00 PM, Bill Hinkson wrote: I'm interested in the webinar as well. On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 9:41 AM, Alan Fregtman alan.fregt...@gmail.com wrote: Me too. I'm curious what else Modo can do well besides modeling. On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 6:33 AM, Mikael Pettersén mikael.petter...@gmail.com wrote: I'm also interested in the webinar. On Friday, March 7, 2014, Chris Marshall chrismarshal...@gmail.com wrote: I wouldn't mind knowing more On 7 March 2014 10:33, Greg Maguire g...@inlifesize.com wrote: +1 on webinar -- Greg Maguire | Inlifesize Mobile: +44 7512 361462 tel:%2B44%207512%20361462 | Phone: +44 2890 204739 tel:%2B44%202890%20204739 g...@inlifesize.com | www.inlifesize.com http://www.inlifesize.com/ -- http://mintmotion.co.uk/img/mint.png Chris Marshall Mint Motion Limited 029
Re: Luxology Modo 50% off for this mailing list - A new word from Brad Peebler
More contact from Brad off-list He says the following... /I've been thinking about how this all went down and I'm feeling a bit sad about it. I have a new idea. People should not feel like they have to rush to make a move. They don't! Soft is still awesome and will be for years to come. Rather than offering another promo code what I would like to do is offer an extended trial of MODO for anyone who wants it. They can contact me directly and I'll get them setup with a 60 day license. My offer still stands that anyone who talks to me directly will also find that I am a man of my word (with regard to the code). Wink wink. I can't publicly extend that offer but I will stand by it for anyone on that list.// // / /I would also be willing to set up an invitation only webinar for the list so we can talk openly under a gentlemens NDA. I'd love to clear up some of the confusion about MODO being built as a modeler only and share some short, mid and long term goals for the product. Finally, I'm getting quite a bit of email this week so if someone doesn't hear from me straight away please feel free to send your email again. I won't be offended to get spammed. :)/ If you guys are interested in taking him up in his webinar idea, please voice it! I'm pretty sure he can read these messages on the Google group, but if not I'm happy to convey your corporate response. -Tim
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I'm in for the Webinar. and what is the contact information again to e-mail him directly? On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 11:50 AM, Tim Crowson tim.crow...@magneticdreams.com wrote: More contact from Brad off-list He says the following... *I've been thinking about how this all went down and I'm feeling a bit sad about it. I have a new idea. People should not feel like they have to rush to make a move. They don't! Soft is still awesome and will be for years to come. Rather than offering another promo code what I would like to do is offer an extended trial of MODO for anyone who wants it. They can contact me directly and I'll get them setup with a 60 day license. My offer still stands that anyone who talks to me directly will also find that I am a man of my word (with regard to the code). Wink wink. I can't publicly extend that offer but I will stand by it for anyone on that list.* *I would also be willing to set up an invitation only webinar for the list so we can talk openly under a gentlemens NDA. I'd love to clear up some of the confusion about MODO being built as a modeler only and share some short, mid and long term goals for the product. Finally, I'm getting quite a bit of email this week so if someone doesn't hear from me straight away please feel free to send your email again. I won't be offended to get spammed. :)* If you guys are interested in taking him up in his webinar idea, please voice it! I'm pretty sure he can read these messages on the Google group, but if not I'm happy to convey your corporate response. -Tim
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Yes of course, I'm also up for the webinar! On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 6:04 PM, Chris Johnson chr...@topixfx.com wrote: I'm in for the Webinar. and what is the contact information again to e-mail him directly? On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 11:50 AM, Tim Crowson tim.crow...@magneticdreams.com wrote: More contact from Brad off-list He says the following... *I've been thinking about how this all went down and I'm feeling a bit sad about it. I have a new idea. People should not feel like they have to rush to make a move. They don't! Soft is still awesome and will be for years to come. Rather than offering another promo code what I would like to do is offer an extended trial of MODO for anyone who wants it. They can contact me directly and I'll get them setup with a 60 day license. My offer still stands that anyone who talks to me directly will also find that I am a man of my word (with regard to the code). Wink wink. I can't publicly extend that offer but I will stand by it for anyone on that list.* *I would also be willing to set up an invitation only webinar for the list so we can talk openly under a gentlemens NDA. I'd love to clear up some of the confusion about MODO being built as a modeler only and share some short, mid and long term goals for the product. Finally, I'm getting quite a bit of email this week so if someone doesn't hear from me straight away please feel free to send your email again. I won't be offended to get spammed. :)* If you guys are interested in taking him up in his webinar idea, please voice it! I'm pretty sure he can read these messages on the Google group, but if not I'm happy to convey your corporate response. -Tim
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I'd love to sit in on a webinar. Modo scares me a little bit in that they still seem to have the LW mentality there. -Paul ᐧ On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 12:04 PM, Chris Johnson chr...@topixfx.com wrote: I'm in for the Webinar. and what is the contact information again to e-mail him directly? On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 11:50 AM, Tim Crowson tim.crow...@magneticdreams.com wrote: More contact from Brad off-list He says the following... *I've been thinking about how this all went down and I'm feeling a bit sad about it. I have a new idea. People should not feel like they have to rush to make a move. They don't! Soft is still awesome and will be for years to come. Rather than offering another promo code what I would like to do is offer an extended trial of MODO for anyone who wants it. They can contact me directly and I'll get them setup with a 60 day license. My offer still stands that anyone who talks to me directly will also find that I am a man of my word (with regard to the code). Wink wink. I can't publicly extend that offer but I will stand by it for anyone on that list.* *I would also be willing to set up an invitation only webinar for the list so we can talk openly under a gentlemens NDA. I'd love to clear up some of the confusion about MODO being built as a modeler only and share some short, mid and long term goals for the product. Finally, I'm getting quite a bit of email this week so if someone doesn't hear from me straight away please feel free to send your email again. I won't be offended to get spammed. :)* If you guys are interested in taking him up in his webinar idea, please voice it! I'm pretty sure he can read these messages on the Google group, but if not I'm happy to convey your corporate response. -Tim
Re: Luxology Modo 50% off for this mailing list - A new word from Brad Peebler
+1! Yes of course, I'm also up for the webinar! On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 6:04 PM, Chris Johnson chr...@topixfx.com wrote: I'm in for the Webinar. and what is the contact information again to e-mail him directly? On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 11:50 AM, Tim Crowson tim.crow...@magneticdreams.com wrote: More contact from Brad off-list He says the following... *I've been thinking about how this all went down and I'm feeling a bit sad about it. I have a new idea. People should not feel like they have to rush to make a move. They don't! Soft is still awesome and will be for years to come. Rather than offering another promo code what I would like to do is offer an extended trial of MODO for anyone who wants it. They can contact me directly and I'll get them setup with a 60 day license. My offer still stands that anyone who talks to me directly will also find that I am a man of my word (with regard to the code). Wink wink. I can't publicly extend that offer but I will stand by it for anyone on that list.* *I would also be willing to set up an invitation only webinar for the list so we can talk openly under a gentlemens NDA. I'd love to clear up some of the confusion about MODO being built as a modeler only and share some short, mid and long term goals for the product. Finally, I'm getting quite a bit of email this week so if someone doesn't hear from me straight away please feel free to send your email again. I won't be offended to get spammed. :)* If you guys are interested in taking him up in his webinar idea, please voice it! I'm pretty sure he can read these messages on the Google group, but if not I'm happy to convey your corporate response. -Tim -- - Stefan Kubicek ste...@keyvis.at - keyvis digital imagery Alfred Feierfeilstraße 3 A-2380 Perchtoldsdorf bei Wien Phone: +43 (0) 699 12614231 www.keyvis.at -- This email and its attachments are-- -- confidential and for the recipient only --
Re: Luxology Modo 50% off for this mailing list - A new word from Brad Peebler
A webinar would be interesting, though trying to sync across time-zones would be a challenge. I've been looking at modo a little bit over the past few days and am starting to build a little list of positives and negatives: it'd certainly be interesting to know whether areas that concern me are areas that concern them as well... On 6 March 2014 17:07, Paul Griswold pgrisw...@fusiondigitalproductions.com wrote: I'd love to sit in on a webinar. Modo scares me a little bit in that they still seem to have the LW mentality there. -Paul ᐧ On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 12:04 PM, Chris Johnson chr...@topixfx.com wrote: I'm in for the Webinar. and what is the contact information again to e-mail him directly? On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 11:50 AM, Tim Crowson tim.crow...@magneticdreams.com wrote: More contact from Brad off-list He says the following... *I've been thinking about how this all went down and I'm feeling a bit sad about it. I have a new idea. People should not feel like they have to rush to make a move. They don't! Soft is still awesome and will be for years to come. Rather than offering another promo code what I would like to do is offer an extended trial of MODO for anyone who wants it. They can contact me directly and I'll get them setup with a 60 day license. My offer still stands that anyone who talks to me directly will also find that I am a man of my word (with regard to the code). Wink wink. I can't publicly extend that offer but I will stand by it for anyone on that list.* *I would also be willing to set up an invitation only webinar for the list so we can talk openly under a gentlemens NDA. I'd love to clear up some of the confusion about MODO being built as a modeler only and share some short, mid and long term goals for the product. Finally, I'm getting quite a bit of email this week so if someone doesn't hear from me straight away please feel free to send your email again. I won't be offended to get spammed. :)* If you guys are interested in taking him up in his webinar idea, please voice it! I'm pretty sure he can read these messages on the Google group, but if not I'm happy to convey your corporate response. -Tim
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Lightwave mentality Paul ? On 6 March 2014 17:07, Paul Griswold pgrisw...@fusiondigitalproductions.com wrote: I'd love to sit in on a webinar. Modo scares me a little bit in that they still seem to have the LW mentality there. -Paul ᐧ On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 12:04 PM, Chris Johnson chr...@topixfx.com wrote: I'm in for the Webinar. and what is the contact information again to e-mail him directly? On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 11:50 AM, Tim Crowson tim.crow...@magneticdreams.com wrote: More contact from Brad off-list He says the following... *I've been thinking about how this all went down and I'm feeling a bit sad about it. I have a new idea. People should not feel like they have to rush to make a move. They don't! Soft is still awesome and will be for years to come. Rather than offering another promo code what I would like to do is offer an extended trial of MODO for anyone who wants it. They can contact me directly and I'll get them setup with a 60 day license. My offer still stands that anyone who talks to me directly will also find that I am a man of my word (with regard to the code). Wink wink. I can't publicly extend that offer but I will stand by it for anyone on that list.* *I would also be willing to set up an invitation only webinar for the list so we can talk openly under a gentlemens NDA. I'd love to clear up some of the confusion about MODO being built as a modeler only and share some short, mid and long term goals for the product. Finally, I'm getting quite a bit of email this week so if someone doesn't hear from me straight away please feel free to send your email again. I won't be offended to get spammed. :)* If you guys are interested in taking him up in his webinar idea, please voice it! I'm pretty sure he can read these messages on the Google group, but if not I'm happy to convey your corporate response. -Tim
Re: Luxology Modo 50% off for this mailing list - A new word from Brad Peebler
b...@luxology.com On 3/6/2014 11:04 AM, Chris Johnson wrote: I'm in for the Webinar. and what is the contact information again to e-mail him directly? On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 11:50 AM, Tim Crowson tim.crow...@magneticdreams.com mailto:tim.crow...@magneticdreams.com wrote: More contact from Brad off-list He says the following... /I've been thinking about how this all went down and I'm feeling a bit sad about it. I have a new idea. People should not feel like they have to rush to make a move. They don't! Soft is still awesome and will be for years to come. Rather than offering another promo code what I would like to do is offer an extended trial of MODO for anyone who wants it. They can contact me directly and I'll get them setup with a 60 day license. My offer still stands that anyone who talks to me directly will also find that I am a man of my word (with regard to the code). Wink wink. I can't publicly extend that offer but I will stand by it for anyone on that list.// // / /I would also be willing to set up an invitation only webinar for the list so we can talk openly under a gentlemens NDA. I'd love to clear up some of the confusion about MODO being built as a modeler only and share some short, mid and long term goals for the product. Finally, I'm getting quite a bit of email this week so if someone doesn't hear from me straight away please feel free to send your email again. I won't be offended to get spammed. :)/ If you guys are interested in taking him up in his webinar idea, please voice it! I'm pretty sure he can read these messages on the Google group, but if not I'm happy to convey your corporate response. -Tim -- Signature *Tim Crowson */Lead CG Artist/ *Magnetic Dreams, Inc. *2525 Lebanon Pike, Bldg C, Suite 101, Nashville, TN 37214 *Ph* 615.885.6801 | *Fax* 615.889.4768 | www.magneticdreams.com tim.crow...@magneticdreams.com /Confidentiality Notice: This email, including attachments, is confidential and should not be used by anyone who is not the original intended recipient(s). If you have received this e-mail in error please inform the sender and delete it from your mailbox or any other storage mechanism. Magnetic Dreams, Inc cannot accept liability for any statements made which are clearly the sender's own and not expressly made on behalf of Magnetic Dreams, Inc or one of its agents./
Re: Luxology Modo 50% off for this mailing list - A new word from Brad Peebler
The latest nodal stuff they've added in is certainly a step in the right direction - as I say I haven't been able to tinker as much as I'd like but at the least the nodes I can see give access to lower-level maths functionality, which is a good sign (albeit non-polymorphic though :( ). On 6 March 2014 17:25, Paul Griswold pgrisw...@fusiondigitalproductions.com wrote: Well Modo is essentially Lightwave Part 2, since it came from the original programmers of Lightwave and at one point was supposed to replace Lightwave. I feel like they tend to want to build specific tools to fill specific needs instead of opening things up the way ICE does. ᐧ On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 12:13 PM, Sebastien Sterling sebastien.sterl...@gmail.com wrote: Lightwave mentality Paul ? On 6 March 2014 17:07, Paul Griswold pgrisw...@fusiondigitalproductions.com wrote: I'd love to sit in on a webinar. Modo scares me a little bit in that they still seem to have the LW mentality there. -Paul ᐧ On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 12:04 PM, Chris Johnson chr...@topixfx.comwrote: I'm in for the Webinar. and what is the contact information again to e-mail him directly? On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 11:50 AM, Tim Crowson tim.crow...@magneticdreams.com wrote: More contact from Brad off-list He says the following... *I've been thinking about how this all went down and I'm feeling a bit sad about it. I have a new idea. People should not feel like they have to rush to make a move. They don't! Soft is still awesome and will be for years to come. Rather than offering another promo code what I would like to do is offer an extended trial of MODO for anyone who wants it. They can contact me directly and I'll get them setup with a 60 day license. My offer still stands that anyone who talks to me directly will also find that I am a man of my word (with regard to the code). Wink wink. I can't publicly extend that offer but I will stand by it for anyone on that list.* *I would also be willing to set up an invitation only webinar for the list so we can talk openly under a gentlemens NDA. I'd love to clear up some of the confusion about MODO being built as a modeler only and share some short, mid and long term goals for the product. Finally, I'm getting quite a bit of email this week so if someone doesn't hear from me straight away please feel free to send your email again. I won't be offended to get spammed. :)* If you guys are interested in taking him up in his webinar idea, please voice it! I'm pretty sure he can read these messages on the Google group, but if not I'm happy to convey your corporate response. -Tim
Re: Luxology Modo 50% off for this mailing list - A new word from Brad Peebler
I am definitely in for a webinar and would be cool to get a honest chat about a rough roadmap by some one who truly seems a genuine guy. I am interested I what Modo and the foundry seem to stand for. lets set this up! good work Raff and Tim! Daniel Sweeney 3D Creative Director *Mobile:* +44 (0)7743429771 *Email:* dan...@northforge.co.uk *Web:* http://northforge.co.uk On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 5:38 PM, Peter Agg peter@googlemail.com wrote: The latest nodal stuff they've added in is certainly a step in the right direction - as I say I haven't been able to tinker as much as I'd like but at the least the nodes I can see give access to lower-level maths functionality, which is a good sign (albeit non-polymorphic though :( ). On 6 March 2014 17:25, Paul Griswold pgrisw...@fusiondigitalproductions.com wrote: Well Modo is essentially Lightwave Part 2, since it came from the original programmers of Lightwave and at one point was supposed to replace Lightwave. I feel like they tend to want to build specific tools to fill specific needs instead of opening things up the way ICE does. ᐧ On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 12:13 PM, Sebastien Sterling sebastien.sterl...@gmail.com wrote: Lightwave mentality Paul ? On 6 March 2014 17:07, Paul Griswold pgrisw...@fusiondigitalproductions.com wrote: I'd love to sit in on a webinar. Modo scares me a little bit in that they still seem to have the LW mentality there. -Paul ᐧ On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 12:04 PM, Chris Johnson chr...@topixfx.comwrote: I'm in for the Webinar. and what is the contact information again to e-mail him directly? On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 11:50 AM, Tim Crowson tim.crow...@magneticdreams.com wrote: More contact from Brad off-list He says the following... *I've been thinking about how this all went down and I'm feeling a bit sad about it. I have a new idea. People should not feel like they have to rush to make a move. They don't! Soft is still awesome and will be for years to come. Rather than offering another promo code what I would like to do is offer an extended trial of MODO for anyone who wants it. They can contact me directly and I'll get them setup with a 60 day license. My offer still stands that anyone who talks to me directly will also find that I am a man of my word (with regard to the code). Wink wink. I can't publicly extend that offer but I will stand by it for anyone on that list.* *I would also be willing to set up an invitation only webinar for the list so we can talk openly under a gentlemens NDA. I'd love to clear up some of the confusion about MODO being built as a modeler only and share some short, mid and long term goals for the product. Finally, I'm getting quite a bit of email this week so if someone doesn't hear from me straight away please feel free to send your email again. I won't be offended to get spammed. :)* If you guys are interested in taking him up in his webinar idea, please voice it! I'm pretty sure he can read these messages on the Google group, but if not I'm happy to convey your corporate response. -Tim
Re: Luxology Modo 50% off for this mailing list - A new word from Brad Peebler
Mmm Paul I think you're getting close to the genetic fallacy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_fallacy with that. Also I'm not sure Modo was ever intended to replace Lightwave. Maybe, just not sure...? I think your point about opening things up the way ICE does is an important distinction to make though. ICE is a platform, not just series of tools to meet specific needs. As such, it shares a room with very few systems (Houdini, Maya internally as I understand...). But the vast majority of 3D applications out there, including Softimage (minus ICE), are built to address specific, known production needs. I don't think it's fair to criticize the choice to design an application this way, simply because such a design choice indicates that the developer is trying to meet artists' known needs. Certainly there's absolutely no denying the power and flexibility of a platform like ICE/Houdini, which essentially opens up a layer between the raw API and the immediate toolset exposed to the user, allowing them to create new tools via node-based programming. But if that's /all /we had, I doubt many of us could get our work done on time. Most of us still need traditional, focused toolsets as well. /As for Modo, people are going to have to take the responsibility of doing their own due diligence in evaluating it/. There's no definite answer to 'can it replace Softimage?' That's silly. It just depends on what your needs are, like everything else. In its current state and because of our pipeline here at Magnetic, I use Modo primarily as a swiss army knife. Just yesterday I was able to load in an illustrator file with complicated curves into Modo, set them to be renderable, then bake that geometry cache into something I could export (rims all around these intricate designs on a stained glass window). Could not have done that nearly as easily otherwise, not by a mile. Took me 30s in Modo. Stuff like that is a stress relief for me! Anyway, I would LOVE to see a truly procedural platform like ICE come to Modo. Who wouldn't? -Tim On 3/6/2014 11:25 AM, Paul Griswold wrote: Well Modo is essentially Lightwave Part 2, since it came from the original programmers of Lightwave and at one point was supposed to replace Lightwave. I feel like they tend to want to build specific tools to fill specific needs instead of opening things up the way ICE does. ᐧ On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 12:13 PM, Sebastien Sterling sebastien.sterl...@gmail.com mailto:sebastien.sterl...@gmail.com wrote: Lightwave mentality Paul ? On 6 March 2014 17:07, Paul Griswold pgrisw...@fusiondigitalproductions.com mailto:pgrisw...@fusiondigitalproductions.com wrote: I'd love to sit in on a webinar. Modo scares me a little bit in that they still seem to have the LW mentality there. -Paul ᐧ On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 12:04 PM, Chris Johnson chr...@topixfx.com mailto:chr...@topixfx.com wrote: I'm in for the Webinar. and what is the contact information again to e-mail him directly? On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 11:50 AM, Tim Crowson tim.crow...@magneticdreams.com mailto:tim.crow...@magneticdreams.com wrote: More contact from Brad off-list He says the following... /I've been thinking about how this all went down and I'm feeling a bit sad about it. I have a new idea. People should not feel like they have to rush to make a move. They don't! Soft is still awesome and will be for years to come. Rather than offering another promo code what I would like to do is offer an extended trial of MODO for anyone who wants it. They can contact me directly and I'll get them setup with a 60 day license. My offer still stands that anyone who talks to me directly will also find that I am a man of my word (with regard to the code). Wink wink. I can't publicly extend that offer but I will stand by it for anyone on that list.// // / /I would also be willing to set up an invitation only webinar for the list so we can talk openly under a gentlemens NDA. I'd love to clear up some of the confusion about MODO being built as a modeler only and share some short, mid and long term goals for the product. Finally, I'm getting quite a bit of email this week so if someone doesn't hear from me straight away please feel free to send your email again. I won't be offended to get spammed. :)/ If you guys are interested in taking him up in his webinar idea, please voice it! I'm pretty sure he can
Re: Luxology Modo 50% off for this mailing list - A new word from Brad Peebler
Love the direction Foundry has been going the last couple years. Nuke and Mari are top notch. Getting Modo was a great idea and the integration with those previous packages is the way to go.Brad stopped by ILM the other day and did a demo, seems like a cool guy. Looking forward to seeing more from Modo. On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 9:47 AM, Daniel Sweeney dan...@northforge.co.ukwrote: I am definitely in for a webinar and would be cool to get a honest chat about a rough roadmap by some one who truly seems a genuine guy. I am interested I what Modo and the foundry seem to stand for. lets set this up! good work Raff and Tim! Daniel Sweeney 3D Creative Director *Mobile:* +44 (0)7743429771 *Email:* dan...@northforge.co.uk *Web:* http://northforge.co.uk On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 5:38 PM, Peter Agg peter@googlemail.comwrote: The latest nodal stuff they've added in is certainly a step in the right direction - as I say I haven't been able to tinker as much as I'd like but at the least the nodes I can see give access to lower-level maths functionality, which is a good sign (albeit non-polymorphic though :( ). On 6 March 2014 17:25, Paul Griswold pgrisw...@fusiondigitalproductions.com wrote: Well Modo is essentially Lightwave Part 2, since it came from the original programmers of Lightwave and at one point was supposed to replace Lightwave. I feel like they tend to want to build specific tools to fill specific needs instead of opening things up the way ICE does. ᐧ On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 12:13 PM, Sebastien Sterling sebastien.sterl...@gmail.com wrote: Lightwave mentality Paul ? On 6 March 2014 17:07, Paul Griswold pgrisw...@fusiondigitalproductions.com wrote: I'd love to sit in on a webinar. Modo scares me a little bit in that they still seem to have the LW mentality there. -Paul ᐧ On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 12:04 PM, Chris Johnson chr...@topixfx.comwrote: I'm in for the Webinar. and what is the contact information again to e-mail him directly? On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 11:50 AM, Tim Crowson tim.crow...@magneticdreams.com wrote: More contact from Brad off-list He says the following... *I've been thinking about how this all went down and I'm feeling a bit sad about it. I have a new idea. People should not feel like they have to rush to make a move. They don't! Soft is still awesome and will be for years to come. Rather than offering another promo code what I would like to do is offer an extended trial of MODO for anyone who wants it. They can contact me directly and I'll get them setup with a 60 day license. My offer still stands that anyone who talks to me directly will also find that I am a man of my word (with regard to the code). Wink wink. I can't publicly extend that offer but I will stand by it for anyone on that list.* *I would also be willing to set up an invitation only webinar for the list so we can talk openly under a gentlemens NDA. I'd love to clear up some of the confusion about MODO being built as a modeler only and share some short, mid and long term goals for the product. Finally, I'm getting quite a bit of email this week so if someone doesn't hear from me straight away please feel free to send your email again. I won't be offended to get spammed. :)* If you guys are interested in taking him up in his webinar idea, please voice it! I'm pretty sure he can read these messages on the Google group, but if not I'm happy to convey your corporate response. -Tim
Re: Luxology Modo 50% off for this mailing list - A new word from Brad Peebler
Oh don't get me started on the history of Modo - it'll totally derail things. I'm an old-time Lightwave beta tester from the early-mid 1990's. Brad Peebler was my contact at NewTek back in those days. There's a whole drama around how Modo came about. ᐧ On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 12:52 PM, Tim Crowson tim.crow...@magneticdreams.com wrote: Mmm Paul I think you're getting close to the genetic fallacyhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_fallacywith that. Also I'm not sure Modo was ever intended to replace Lightwave. Maybe, just not sure...? I think your point about opening things up the way ICE does is an important distinction to make though. ICE is a platform, not just series of tools to meet specific needs. As such, it shares a room with very few systems (Houdini, Maya internally as I understand...). But the vast majority of 3D applications out there, including Softimage (minus ICE), are built to address specific, known production needs. I don't think it's fair to criticize the choice to design an application this way, simply because such a design choice indicates that the developer is trying to meet artists' known needs. Certainly there's absolutely no denying the power and flexibility of a platform like ICE/Houdini, which essentially opens up a layer between the raw API and the immediate toolset exposed to the user, allowing them to create new tools via node-based programming. But if that's *all *we had, I doubt many of us could get our work done on time. Most of us still need traditional, focused toolsets as well. *As for Modo, people are going to have to take the responsibility of doing their own due diligence in evaluating it*. There's no definite answer to 'can it replace Softimage?' That's silly. It just depends on what your needs are, like everything else. In its current state and because of our pipeline here at Magnetic, I use Modo primarily as a swiss army knife. Just yesterday I was able to load in an illustrator file with complicated curves into Modo, set them to be renderable, then bake that geometry cache into something I could export (rims all around these intricate designs on a stained glass window). Could not have done that nearly as easily otherwise, not by a mile. Took me 30s in Modo. Stuff like that is a stress relief for me! Anyway, I would LOVE to see a truly procedural platform like ICE come to Modo. Who wouldn't? -Tim On 3/6/2014 11:25 AM, Paul Griswold wrote: Well Modo is essentially Lightwave Part 2, since it came from the original programmers of Lightwave and at one point was supposed to replace Lightwave. I feel like they tend to want to build specific tools to fill specific needs instead of opening things up the way ICE does. ᐧ On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 12:13 PM, Sebastien Sterling sebastien.sterl...@gmail.com wrote: Lightwave mentality Paul ? On 6 March 2014 17:07, Paul Griswold pgrisw...@fusiondigitalproductions.com wrote: I'd love to sit in on a webinar. Modo scares me a little bit in that they still seem to have the LW mentality there. -Paul ᐧ On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 12:04 PM, Chris Johnson chr...@topixfx.comwrote: I'm in for the Webinar. and what is the contact information again to e-mail him directly? On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 11:50 AM, Tim Crowson tim.crow...@magneticdreams.com wrote: More contact from Brad off-list He says the following... *I've been thinking about how this all went down and I'm feeling a bit sad about it. I have a new idea. People should not feel like they have to rush to make a move. They don't! Soft is still awesome and will be for years to come. Rather than offering another promo code what I would like to do is offer an extended trial of MODO for anyone who wants it. They can contact me directly and I'll get them setup with a 60 day license. My offer still stands that anyone who talks to me directly will also find that I am a man of my word (with regard to the code). Wink wink. I can't publicly extend that offer but I will stand by it for anyone on that list.* *I would also be willing to set up an invitation only webinar for the list so we can talk openly under a gentlemens NDA. I'd love to clear up some of the confusion about MODO being built as a modeler only and share some short, mid and long term goals for the product. Finally, I'm getting quite a bit of email this week so if someone doesn't hear from me straight away please feel free to send your email again. I won't be offended to get spammed. :)* If you guys are interested in taking him up in his webinar idea, please voice it! I'm pretty sure he can read these messages on the Google group, but if not I'm happy to convey your corporate response. -Tim --
Re: Luxology Modo 50% off for this mailing list - A new word from Brad Peebler
Yes there is. Not much of a secret anymore :-) -Tim On 3/6/2014 11:55 AM, Paul Griswold wrote: Oh don't get me started on the history of Modo - it'll totally derail things. I'm an old-time Lightwave beta tester from the early-mid 1990's. Brad Peebler was my contact at NewTek back in those days. There's a whole drama around how Modo came about. ᐧ On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 12:52 PM, Tim Crowson tim.crow...@magneticdreams.com mailto:tim.crow...@magneticdreams.com wrote: Mmm Paul I think you're getting close to the genetic fallacy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_fallacy with that. Also I'm not sure Modo was ever intended to replace Lightwave. Maybe, just not sure...? I think your point about opening things up the way ICE does is an important distinction to make though. ICE is a platform, not just series of tools to meet specific needs. As such, it shares a room with very few systems (Houdini, Maya internally as I understand...). But the vast majority of 3D applications out there, including Softimage (minus ICE), are built to address specific, known production needs. I don't think it's fair to criticize the choice to design an application this way, simply because such a design choice indicates that the developer is trying to meet artists' known needs. Certainly there's absolutely no denying the power and flexibility of a platform like ICE/Houdini, which essentially opens up a layer between the raw API and the immediate toolset exposed to the user, allowing them to create new tools via node-based programming. But if that's /all /we had, I doubt many of us could get our work done on time. Most of us still need traditional, focused toolsets as well. /As for Modo, people are going to have to take the responsibility of doing their own due diligence in evaluating it/. There's no definite answer to 'can it replace Softimage?' That's silly. It just depends on what your needs are, like everything else. In its current state and because of our pipeline here at Magnetic, I use Modo primarily as a swiss army knife. Just yesterday I was able to load in an illustrator file with complicated curves into Modo, set them to be renderable, then bake that geometry cache into something I could export (rims all around these intricate designs on a stained glass window). Could not have done that nearly as easily otherwise, not by a mile. Took me 30s in Modo. Stuff like that is a stress relief for me! Anyway, I would LOVE to see a truly procedural platform like ICE come to Modo. Who wouldn't? -Tim On 3/6/2014 11:25 AM, Paul Griswold wrote: Well Modo is essentially Lightwave Part 2, since it came from the original programmers of Lightwave and at one point was supposed to replace Lightwave. I feel like they tend to want to build specific tools to fill specific needs instead of opening things up the way ICE does. ᐧ On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 12:13 PM, Sebastien Sterling sebastien.sterl...@gmail.com mailto:sebastien.sterl...@gmail.com wrote: Lightwave mentality Paul ? On 6 March 2014 17:07, Paul Griswold pgrisw...@fusiondigitalproductions.com mailto:pgrisw...@fusiondigitalproductions.com wrote: I'd love to sit in on a webinar. Modo scares me a little bit in that they still seem to have the LW mentality there. -Paul ᐧ On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 12:04 PM, Chris Johnson chr...@topixfx.com mailto:chr...@topixfx.com wrote: I'm in for the Webinar. and what is the contact information again to e-mail him directly? On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 11:50 AM, Tim Crowson tim.crow...@magneticdreams.com mailto:tim.crow...@magneticdreams.com wrote: More contact from Brad off-list He says the following... /I've been thinking about how this all went down and I'm feeling a bit sad about it. I have a new idea. People should not feel like they have to rush to make a move. They don't! Soft is still awesome and will be for years to come. Rather than offering another promo code what I would like to do is offer an extended trial of MODO for anyone who wants it. They can contact me directly and I'll get them setup with a 60 day license. My offer still stands that anyone who talks to me directly will also find that I am a man of my word (with regard to the code). Wink wink. I can't publicly extend that offer but I will stand by it for anyone on that
Re: Luxology Modo 50% off for this mailing list - A new word from Brad Peebler
Lets do it! Jordi Bares jordiba...@gmail.com On 6 Mar 2014, at 18:09, Eugen Sares sof...@mail.sprit.org wrote: In for that webinar, too... -- Originalnachricht -- Von: Tim Crowson tim.crow...@magneticdreams.com An: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Gesendet: 06.03.2014 19:01:30 Betreff: Re: Luxology Modo 50% off for this mailing list - A new word from Brad Peebler Yes there is. Not much of a secret anymore :-) -Tim On 3/6/2014 11:55 AM, Paul Griswold wrote: Oh don't get me started on the history of Modo - it'll totally derail things. I'm an old-time Lightwave beta tester from the early-mid 1990's. Brad Peebler was my contact at NewTek back in those days. There's a whole drama around how Modo came about. ᐧ On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 12:52 PM, Tim Crowsontim.crow...@magneticdreams.com wrote: Mmm Paul I think you're getting close to the genetic fallacy with that. Also I'm not sure Modo was ever intended to replace Lightwave. Maybe, just not sure...? I think your point about opening things up the way ICE does is an important distinction to make though. ICE is a platform, not just series of tools to meet specific needs. As such, it shares a room with very few systems (Houdini, Maya internally as I understand...). But the vast majority of 3D applications out there, including Softimage (minus ICE), are built to address specific, known production needs. I don't think it's fair to criticize the choice to design an application this way, simply because such a design choice indicates that the developer is trying to meet artists' known needs. Certainly there's absolutely no denying the power and flexibility of a platform like ICE/Houdini, which essentially opens up a layer between the raw API and the immediate toolset exposed to the user, allowing them to create new tools via node-based programming. But if that's all we had, I doubt many of us could get our work done on time. Most of us still need traditional, focused toolsets as well. As for Modo, people are going to have to take the responsibility of doing their own due diligence in evaluating it. There's no definite answer to 'can it replace Softimage?' That's silly. It just depends on what your needs are, like everything else. In its current state and because of our pipeline here at Magnetic, I use Modo primarily as a swiss army knife. Just yesterday I was able to load in an illustrator file with complicated curves into Modo, set them to be renderable, then bake that geometry cache into something I could export (rims all around these intricate designs on a stained glass window). Could not have done that nearly as easily otherwise, not by a mile. Took me 30s in Modo. Stuff like that is a stress relief for me! Anyway, I would LOVE to see a truly procedural platform like ICE come to Modo.. Who wouldn't? -Tim On 3/6/2014 11:25 AM, Paul Griswold wrote: Well Modo is essentially Lightwave Part 2, since it came from the original programmers of Lightwave and at one point was supposed to replace Lightwave. I feel like they tend to want to build specific tools to fill specific needs instead of opening things up the way ICE does. ᐧ On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 12:13 PM, Sebastien Sterlingsebastien.sterl...@gmail.com wrote: Lightwave mentality Paul ? On 6 March 2014 17:07, Paul Griswoldpgrisw...@fusiondigitalproductions.com wrote: I'd love to sit in on a webinar. Modo scares me a little bit in that they still seem to have the LW mentality there. -Paul ᐧ On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 12:04 PM, Chris Johnson chr...@topixfx.comwrote: I'm in for the Webinar. and what is the contact information again to e-mail him directly? On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 11:50 AM, Tim Crowsontim.crow...@magneticdreams.com wrote: More contact from Brad off-list. He says the following... I've been thinking about how this all went down and I'm feeling a bit sad about it. I have a new idea. People should not feel like they have to rush to make a move. They don't! Soft is still awesome and will be for years to come. Rather than offering another promo code what I would like to do is offer an extended trial of MODO for anyone who wants it. They can contact me directly and I'll get them setup with a 60 day license. My offer still stands that anyone who talks to me directly will also find that I am a man of my word (with regard to the code). Wink wink. I can't publicly extend that offer but I will stand by it for anyone on that list. I would also be willing to set up an invitation only webinar for the list so we can talk openly under a gentlemens NDA. I'd love to clear up some of the confusion about MODO being built as a modeler only and share some short, mid and long term goals for the product. Finally, I'm getting quite a bit of email this week so if someone doesn't hear from me straight away please feel
Re: Luxology Modo 50% off for this mailing list - A new word from Brad Peebler
Count me in for the webinar. Very interested to see what could become of the package if it has some customer-focused dedication behind it. I suspect my strategy at this point shared by a number of other users. I'll continue to use SI and take the Maya path for the moment. The real decision will be whether to continue with maintenance or to continue to use SI (an probably Maya) without a viable upgrade path. Either way, i am going to be looking for a package to fill in some gaps and MODO looks like a reasonably priced quality alternative with a future. If in two years it looks like it could one day be a truly complete app comparable to AD's offerings, then the decision to cut ties with AD becomes less difficult. Up until that point — and as some have pointed out already, several years beyond, — SI will remain a functional tool capable of handling most of my needs. MODO can at minimum be something of a stopgap to hedge the risks. It looks like fairly low cost way of providing a buffer to the current dilemma. It's value as a supplemental tool is worth looking into, whether or not it ever becomes a primary production tool. The whole relationship with The Foundry feels good at this point. One more thing. AD had some great people working there, and most of the folks who interacted with customers were extremely dedicated and helpful. What I always sensed from them, however, was a disconnect between the support and development teams, and the decision makers within the company. That's something smaller companies like LUX/Foundry can handle differently. I'm not looking for MODO to become my primary tool. On Mar 6, 2014, at 12:09 PM, Eugen Sares sof...@mail.sprit.org wrote: In for that webinar, too... -- Originalnachricht -- Von: Tim Crowson tim.crow...@magneticdreams.com An: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Gesendet: 06.03.2014 19:01:30 Betreff: Re: Luxology Modo 50% off for this mailing list - A new word from Brad Peebler Yes there is. Not much of a secret anymore :-) -Tim On 3/6/2014 11:55 AM, Paul Griswold wrote: Oh don't get me started on the history of Modo - it'll totally derail things. I'm an old-time Lightwave beta tester from the early-mid 1990's. Brad Peebler was my contact at NewTek back in those days. There's a whole drama around how Modo came about. ᐧ On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 12:52 PM, Tim Crowson tim.crow...@magneticdreams.com wrote: Mmm Paul I think you're getting close to the genetic fallacy with that. Also I'm not sure Modo was ever intended to replace Lightwave. Maybe, just not sure...? I think your point about opening things up the way ICE does is an important distinction to make though. ICE is a platform, not just series of tools to meet specific needs. As such, it shares a room with very few systems (Houdini, Maya internally as I understand...). But the vast majority of 3D applications out there, including Softimage (minus ICE), are built to address specific, known production needs. I don't think it's fair to criticize the choice to design an application this way, simply because such a design choice indicates that the developer is trying to meet artists' known needs. Certainly there's absolutely no denying the power and flexibility of a platform like ICE/Houdini, which essentially opens up a layer between the raw API and the immediate toolset exposed to the user, allowing them to create new tools via node-based programming. But if that'sall we had, I doubt many of us could get our work done on time. Most of us still need traditional, focused toolsets as well. As for Modo, people are going to have to take the responsibility of doing their own due diligence in evaluating it. There's no definite answer to 'can it replace Softimage?' That's silly. It just depends on what your needs are, like everything else. In its current state and because of our pipeline here at Magnetic, I use Modo primarily as a swiss army knife. Just yesterday I was able to load in an illustrator file with complicated curves into Modo, set them to be renderable, then bake that geometry cache into something I could export (rims all around these intricate designs on a stained glass window). Could not have done that nearly as easily otherwise, not by a mile. Took me 30s in Modo. Stuff like that is a stress relief for me! Anyway, I would LOVE to see a truly procedural platform like ICE come to Modo.. Who wouldn't? -Tim On 3/6/2014 11:25 AM, Paul Griswold wrote: Well Modo is essentially Lightwave Part 2, since it came from the original programmers of Lightwave and at one point was supposed to replace Lightwave. I feel like they tend to want to build specific tools to fill specific needs instead of opening things up the way ICE does. ᐧ On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 12:13 PM, Sebastien Sterling sebastien.sterl...@gmail.com wrote: Lightwave mentality
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I'm also in for the webinar. Brads webinar are always fun and he can convey and express himself really well. Looking forward to it. On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 3:44 PM, Michael Clarke m...@bluecstudios.com wrote: Count me in for the webinar. Very interested to see what could become of the package if it has some customer-focused dedication behind it. I suspect my strategy at this point shared by a number of other users. I'll continue to use SI and take the Maya path for the moment. The real decision will be whether to continue with maintenance or to continue to use SI (an probably Maya) without a viable upgrade path. Either way, i am going to be looking for a package to fill in some gaps and MODO looks like a reasonably priced quality alternative with a future. If in two years it looks like it could one day be a truly complete app comparable to AD's offerings, then the decision to cut ties with AD becomes less difficult. Up until that point — and as some have pointed out already, several years beyond, — SI will remain a functional tool capable of handling most of my needs. MODO can at minimum be something of a stopgap to hedge the risks. It looks like fairly low cost way of providing a buffer to the current dilemma. It's value as a supplemental tool is worth looking into, whether or not it ever becomes a primary production tool. The whole relationship with The Foundry feels good at this point. One more thing. AD had some great people working there, and most of the folks who interacted with customers were extremely dedicated and helpful. What I always sensed from them, however, was a disconnect between the support and development teams, and the decision makers within the company. That's something smaller companies like LUX/Foundry can handle differently. I'm not looking for MODO to become my primary tool. On Mar 6, 2014, at 12:09 PM, Eugen Sares sof...@mail.sprit.org wrote: In for that webinar, too... -- Originalnachricht -- Von: Tim Crowson tim.crow...@magneticdreams.com An: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Gesendet: 06.03.2014 19:01:30 Betreff: Re: Luxology Modo 50% off for this mailing list - A new word from Brad Peebler Yes there is. Not much of a secret anymore :-) -Tim On 3/6/2014 11:55 AM, Paul Griswold wrote: Oh don't get me started on the history of Modo - it'll totally derail things. I'm an old-time Lightwave beta tester from the early-mid 1990's. Brad Peebler was my contact at NewTek back in those days. There's a whole drama around how Modo came about. ᐧ On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 12:52 PM, Tim Crowson tim.crow...@magneticdreams.com wrote: Mmm Paul I think you're getting close to the genetic fallacyhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_fallacy with that. Also I'm not sure Modo was ever intended to replace Lightwave. Maybe, just not sure...? I think your point about opening things up the way ICE does is an important distinction to make though. ICE is a platform, not just series of tools to meet specific needs. As such, it shares a room with very few systems (Houdini, Maya internally as I understand...). But the vast majority of 3D applications out there, including Softimage (minus ICE), are built to address specific, known production needs. I don't think it's fair to criticize the choice to design an application this way, simply because such a design choice indicates that the developer is trying to meet artists' known needs. Certainly there's absolutely no denying the power and flexibility of a platform like ICE/Houdini, which essentially opens up a layer between the raw API and the immediate toolset exposed to the user, allowing them to create new tools via node-based programming. But if that's *all *we had, I doubt many of us could get our work done on time. Most of us still need traditional, focused toolsets as well. *As for Modo, people are going to have to take the responsibility of doing their own due diligence in evaluating it*. There's no definite answer to 'can it replace Softimage?' That's silly. It just depends on what your needs are, like everything else. In its current state and because of our pipeline here at Magnetic, I use Modo primarily as a swiss army knife. Just yesterday I was able to load in an illustrator file with complicated curves into Modo, set them to be renderable, then bake that geometry cache into something I could export (rims all around these intricate designs on a stained glass window). Could not have done that nearly as easily otherwise, not by a mile. Took me 30s in Modo. Stuff like that is a stress relief for me! Anyway, I would LOVE to see a truly procedural platform like ICE come to Modo.. Who wouldn't? -Tim On 3/6/2014 11:25 AM, Paul Griswold wrote: Well Modo is essentially Lightwave Part 2, since it came from the original programmers of Lightwave and at one point was supposed to replace Lightwave. I feel like they tend to want
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Webinar sounds cool would love to hear where things are going On 6 March 2014 18:54, Maurício PC goneba...@gmail.com wrote: I'm also in for the webinar. Brads webinar are always fun and he can convey and express himself really well. Looking forward to it. On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 3:44 PM, Michael Clarke m...@bluecstudios.comwrote: Count me in for the webinar. Very interested to see what could become of the package if it has some customer-focused dedication behind it. I suspect my strategy at this point shared by a number of other users. I'll continue to use SI and take the Maya path for the moment. The real decision will be whether to continue with maintenance or to continue to use SI (an probably Maya) without a viable upgrade path. Either way, i am going to be looking for a package to fill in some gaps and MODO looks like a reasonably priced quality alternative with a future. If in two years it looks like it could one day be a truly complete app comparable to AD's offerings, then the decision to cut ties with AD becomes less difficult. Up until that point — and as some have pointed out already, several years beyond, — SI will remain a functional tool capable of handling most of my needs. MODO can at minimum be something of a stopgap to hedge the risks. It looks like fairly low cost way of providing a buffer to the current dilemma. It's value as a supplemental tool is worth looking into, whether or not it ever becomes a primary production tool. The whole relationship with The Foundry feels good at this point. One more thing. AD had some great people working there, and most of the folks who interacted with customers were extremely dedicated and helpful. What I always sensed from them, however, was a disconnect between the support and development teams, and the decision makers within the company. That's something smaller companies like LUX/Foundry can handle differently. I'm not looking for MODO to become my primary tool. On Mar 6, 2014, at 12:09 PM, Eugen Sares sof...@mail.sprit.org wrote: In for that webinar, too... -- Originalnachricht -- Von: Tim Crowson tim.crow...@magneticdreams.com An: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Gesendet: 06.03.2014 19:01:30 Betreff: Re: Luxology Modo 50% off for this mailing list - A new word from Brad Peebler Yes there is. Not much of a secret anymore :-) -Tim On 3/6/2014 11:55 AM, Paul Griswold wrote: Oh don't get me started on the history of Modo - it'll totally derail things. I'm an old-time Lightwave beta tester from the early-mid 1990's. Brad Peebler was my contact at NewTek back in those days. There's a whole drama around how Modo came about. ᐧ On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 12:52 PM, Tim Crowson tim.crow...@magneticdreams.com wrote: Mmm Paul I think you're getting close to the genetic fallacyhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_fallacy with that. Also I'm not sure Modo was ever intended to replace Lightwave. Maybe, just not sure...? I think your point about opening things up the way ICE does is an important distinction to make though. ICE is a platform, not just series of tools to meet specific needs. As such, it shares a room with very few systems (Houdini, Maya internally as I understand...). But the vast majority of 3D applications out there, including Softimage (minus ICE), are built to address specific, known production needs. I don't think it's fair to criticize the choice to design an application this way, simply because such a design choice indicates that the developer is trying to meet artists' known needs. Certainly there's absolutely no denying the power and flexibility of a platform like ICE/Houdini, which essentially opens up a layer between the raw API and the immediate toolset exposed to the user, allowing them to create new tools via node-based programming. But if that's *all *we had, I doubt many of us could get our work done on time. Most of us still need traditional, focused toolsets as well. *As for Modo, people are going to have to take the responsibility of doing their own due diligence in evaluating it*. There's no definite answer to 'can it replace Softimage?' That's silly. It just depends on what your needs are, like everything else. In its current state and because of our pipeline here at Magnetic, I use Modo primarily as a swiss army knife. Just yesterday I was able to load in an illustrator file with complicated curves into Modo, set them to be renderable, then bake that geometry cache into something I could export (rims all around these intricate designs on a stained glass window). Could not have done that nearly as easily otherwise, not by a mile. Took me 30s in Modo. Stuff like that is a stress relief for me! Anyway, I would LOVE to see a truly procedural platform like ICE come to Modo.. Who wouldn't? -Tim On 3/6/2014 11:25 AM, Paul Griswold wrote: Well Modo is essentially Lightwave Part 2, since it came
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Count me in as well On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 10:59 AM, Sebastien Sterling sebastien.sterl...@gmail.com wrote: Webinar sounds cool would love to hear where things are going On 6 March 2014 18:54, Maurício PC goneba...@gmail.com wrote: I'm also in for the webinar. Brads webinar are always fun and he can convey and express himself really well. Looking forward to it. On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 3:44 PM, Michael Clarke m...@bluecstudios.comwrote: Count me in for the webinar. Very interested to see what could become of the package if it has some customer-focused dedication behind it. I suspect my strategy at this point shared by a number of other users. I'll continue to use SI and take the Maya path for the moment. The real decision will be whether to continue with maintenance or to continue to use SI (an probably Maya) without a viable upgrade path. Either way, i am going to be looking for a package to fill in some gaps and MODO looks like a reasonably priced quality alternative with a future. If in two years it looks like it could one day be a truly complete app comparable to AD's offerings, then the decision to cut ties with AD becomes less difficult. Up until that point — and as some have pointed out already, several years beyond, — SI will remain a functional tool capable of handling most of my needs. MODO can at minimum be something of a stopgap to hedge the risks. It looks like fairly low cost way of providing a buffer to the current dilemma. It's value as a supplemental tool is worth looking into, whether or not it ever becomes a primary production tool. The whole relationship with The Foundry feels good at this point. One more thing. AD had some great people working there, and most of the folks who interacted with customers were extremely dedicated and helpful. What I always sensed from them, however, was a disconnect between the support and development teams, and the decision makers within the company. That's something smaller companies like LUX/Foundry can handle differently. I'm not looking for MODO to become my primary tool. On Mar 6, 2014, at 12:09 PM, Eugen Sares sof...@mail.sprit.org wrote: In for that webinar, too... -- Originalnachricht -- Von: Tim Crowson tim.crow...@magneticdreams.com An: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Gesendet: 06.03.2014 19:01:30 Betreff: Re: Luxology Modo 50% off for this mailing list - A new word from Brad Peebler Yes there is. Not much of a secret anymore :-) -Tim On 3/6/2014 11:55 AM, Paul Griswold wrote: Oh don't get me started on the history of Modo - it'll totally derail things. I'm an old-time Lightwave beta tester from the early-mid 1990's. Brad Peebler was my contact at NewTek back in those days. There's a whole drama around how Modo came about. ᐧ On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 12:52 PM, Tim Crowson tim.crow...@magneticdreams.com wrote: Mmm Paul I think you're getting close to the genetic fallacyhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_fallacy with that. Also I'm not sure Modo was ever intended to replace Lightwave. Maybe, just not sure...? I think your point about opening things up the way ICE does is an important distinction to make though. ICE is a platform, not just series of tools to meet specific needs. As such, it shares a room with very few systems (Houdini, Maya internally as I understand...). But the vast majority of 3D applications out there, including Softimage (minus ICE), are built to address specific, known production needs. I don't think it's fair to criticize the choice to design an application this way, simply because such a design choice indicates that the developer is trying to meet artists' known needs. Certainly there's absolutely no denying the power and flexibility of a platform like ICE/Houdini, which essentially opens up a layer between the raw API and the immediate toolset exposed to the user, allowing them to create new tools via node-based programming. But if that's *all *we had, I doubt many of us could get our work done on time. Most of us still need traditional, focused toolsets as well. *As for Modo, people are going to have to take the responsibility of doing their own due diligence in evaluating it*. There's no definite answer to 'can it replace Softimage?' That's silly. It just depends on what your needs are, like everything else. In its current state and because of our pipeline here at Magnetic, I use Modo primarily as a swiss army knife. Just yesterday I was able to load in an illustrator file with complicated curves into Modo, set them to be renderable, then bake that geometry cache into something I could export (rims all around these intricate designs on a stained glass window). Could not have done that nearly as easily otherwise, not by a mile. Took me 30s in Modo. Stuff like that is a stress relief for me! Anyway, I would LOVE to see a truly procedural platform like ICE come to Modo.. Who wouldn't
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Yes, please I´m into the webinar. I recently saw this: https://vimeo.com/76876920 and I´m picturing myself adding more modo mentality asap :) Thanks. David R. On Thursday, March 6, 2014 2:01 PM, Nic Sievers siev...@gmail.com wrote: Count me in as well On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 10:59 AM, Sebastien Sterling sebastien.sterl...@gmail.com wrote: Webinar sounds cool would love to hear where things are going On 6 March 2014 18:54, Maurício PC goneba...@gmail.com wrote: I'm also in for the webinar. Brads webinar are always fun and he can convey and express himself really well. Looking forward to it. On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 3:44 PM, Michael Clarke m...@bluecstudios.com wrote: Count me in for the webinar. Very interested to see what could become of the package if it has some customer-focused dedication behind it. I suspect my strategy at this point shared by a number of other users. I'll continue to use SI and take the Maya path for the moment. The real decision will be whether to continue with maintenance or to continue to use SI (an probably Maya) without a viable upgrade path. Either way, i am going to be looking for a package to fill in some gaps and MODO looks like a reasonably priced quality alternative with a future. If in two years it looks like it could one day be a truly complete app comparable to AD's offerings, then the decision to cut ties with AD becomes less difficult. Up until that point — and as some have pointed out already, several years beyond, — SI will remain a functional tool capable of handling most of my needs. MODO can at minimum be something of a stopgap to hedge the risks. It looks like fairly low cost way of providing a buffer to the current dilemma. It's value as a supplemental tool is worth looking into, whether or not it ever becomes a primary production tool. The whole relationship with The Foundry feels good at this point. One more thing. AD had some great people working there, and most of the folks who interacted with customers were extremely dedicated and helpful. What I always sensed from them, however, was a disconnect between the support and development teams, and the decision makers within the company. That's something smaller companies like LUX/Foundry can handle differently. I'm not looking for MODO to become my primary tool. On Mar 6, 2014, at 12:09 PM, Eugen Sares sof...@mail.sprit.org wrote: In for that webinar, too... -- Originalnachricht -- Von: Tim Crowson tim.crow...@magneticdreams.com An: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Gesendet: 06.03.2014 19:01:30 Betreff: Re: Luxology Modo 50% off for this mailing list - A new word from Brad Peebler Yes there is. Not much of a secret anymore :-) -Tim On 3/6/2014 11:55 AM, Paul Griswold wrote: Oh don't get me started on the history of Modo - it'll totally derail things. I'm an old-time Lightwave beta tester from the early-mid 1990's. Brad Peebler was my contact at NewTek back in those days. There's a whole drama around how Modo came about. ᐧ On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 12:52 PM, Tim Crowson tim.crow...@magneticdreams.com wrote: Mmm Paul I think you're getting close to the genetic fallacy with that. Also I'm not sure Modo was ever intended to replace Lightwave. Maybe, just not sure...? I think your point about opening things up the way ICE does is an important distinction to make though. ICE is a platform, not just series of tools to meet specific needs. As such, it shares a room with very few systems (Houdini, Maya internally as I understand...). But the vast majority of 3D applications out there, including Softimage (minus ICE), are built to address specific, known production needs. I don't think it's fair to criticize the choice to design an application this way, simply because such a design choice indicates that the developer is trying to meet artists' known needs. Certainly there's absolutely no denying the power and flexibility of a platform like ICE/Houdini, which essentially opens up a layer between the raw API and the immediate toolset exposed to the user, allowing them to create new tools via node-based programming. But if that'sall we had, I doubt many of us could get our work done on time. Most of us still need traditional, focused toolsets as well. As for Modo, people are going to have to take the responsibility of doing their own due diligence in evaluating it. There's no definite answer to 'can it replace Softimage?' That's silly. It just depends on what your needs are, like everything else. In its current state and because of our pipeline here at Magnetic, I use Modo primarily as a swiss army knife. Just yesterday I was able to load in an illustrator file with complicated curves into Modo, set them to be renderable, then bake that geometry cache into something I could export (rims all around these intricate designs on a stained glass window). Could not have done that nearly
Re: Luxology Modo 50% off for this mailing list - A new word from Brad Peebler
+1 On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 11:26 PM, Paul Griswold pgrisw...@fusiondigitalproductions.com wrote: Wow! I guess I haven't kept up with Modo at all. It does look pretty appealing. — Sent from Mailbox https://www.dropbox.com/mailbox for iPad On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 4:47 PM, David Rivera activemotionpictu...@yahoo.com wrote: Yes, please I´m into the webinar. I recently saw this: https://vimeo.com/76876920 and I´m picturing myself adding more modo mentality asap :) Thanks. David R. On Thursday, March 6, 2014 2:01 PM, Nic Sievers siev...@gmail.com wrote: Count me in as well On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 10:59 AM, Sebastien Sterling sebastien.sterl...@gmail.com wrote: Webinar sounds cool would love to hear where things are going On 6 March 2014 18:54, Maurício PC goneba...@gmail.com wrote: I'm also in for the webinar. Brads webinar are always fun and he can convey and express himself really well. Looking forward to it. On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 3:44 PM, Michael Clarke m...@bluecstudios.comwrote: Count me in for the webinar. Very interested to see what could become of the package if it has some customer-focused dedication behind it. I suspect my strategy at this point shared by a number of other users. I'll continue to use SI and take the Maya path for the moment. The real decision will be whether to continue with maintenance or to continue to use SI (an probably Maya) without a viable upgrade path. Either way, i am going to be looking for a package to fill in some gaps and MODO looks like a reasonably priced quality alternative with a future. If in two years it looks like it could one day be a truly complete app comparable to AD's offerings, then the decision to cut ties with AD becomes less difficult. Up until that point — and as some have pointed out already, several years beyond, — SI will remain a functional tool capable of handling most of my needs. MODO can at minimum be something of a stopgap to hedge the risks. It looks like fairly low cost way of providing a buffer to the current dilemma. It's value as a supplemental tool is worth looking into, whether or not it ever becomes a primary production tool. The whole relationship with The Foundry feels good at this point. One more thing. AD had some great people working there, and most of the folks who interacted with customers were extremely dedicated and helpful. What I always sensed from them, however, was a disconnect between the support and development teams, and the decision makers within the company. That's something smaller companies like LUX/Foundry can handle differently. I'm not looking for MODO to become my primary tool. On Mar 6, 2014, at 12:09 PM, Eugen Sares sof...@mail.sprit.org wrote: In for that webinar, too... -- Originalnachricht -- Von: Tim Crowson tim.crow...@magneticdreams.com An: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Gesendet: 06.03.2014 19:01:30 Betreff: Re: Luxology Modo 50% off for this mailing list - A new word from Brad Peebler Yes there is. Not much of a secret anymore :-) -Tim On 3/6/2014 11:55 AM, Paul Griswold wrote: Oh don't get me started on the history of Modo - it'll totally derail things. I'm an old-time Lightwave beta tester from the early-mid 1990's. Brad Peebler was my contact at NewTek back in those days. There's a whole drama around how Modo came about. ᐧ On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 12:52 PM, Tim Crowson tim.crow...@magneticdreams.com wrote: Mmm Paul I think you're getting close to the genetic fallacyhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_fallacy with that. Also I'm not sure Modo was ever intended to replace Lightwave. Maybe, just not sure...? I think your point about opening things up the way ICE does is an important distinction to make though. ICE is a platform, not just series of tools to meet specific needs. As such, it shares a room with very few systems (Houdini, Maya internally as I understand...). But the vast majority of 3D applications out there, including Softimage (minus ICE), are built to address specific, known production needs. I don't think it's fair to criticize the choice to design an application this way, simply because such a design choice indicates that the developer is trying to meet artists' known needs. Certainly there's absolutely no denying the power and flexibility of a platform like ICE/Houdini, which essentially opens up a layer between the raw API and the immediate toolset exposed to the user, allowing them to create new tools via node-based programming. But if that's *all *we had, I doubt many of us could get our work done on time. Most of us still need traditional, focused toolsets as well. *As for Modo, people are going to have to take the responsibility of doing their own due diligence in evaluating it*. There's no definite answer to 'can it replace Softimage?' That's silly. It just depends on what your needs are, like everything else
Re: Luxology Modo 50% off for this mailing list - A new word from Brad Peebler
Wow! I guess I haven't kept up with Modo at all. It does look pretty appealing. — Sent from Mailbox for iPad On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 4:47 PM, David Rivera activemotionpictu...@yahoo.com wrote: Yes, please I´m into the webinar. I recently saw this: https://vimeo.com/76876920 and I´m picturing myself adding more modo mentality asap :) Thanks. David R. On Thursday, March 6, 2014 2:01 PM, Nic Sievers siev...@gmail.com wrote: Count me in as well On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 10:59 AM, Sebastien Sterling sebastien.sterl...@gmail.com wrote: Webinar sounds cool would love to hear where things are going On 6 March 2014 18:54, Maurício PC goneba...@gmail.com wrote: I'm also in for the webinar. Brads webinar are always fun and he can convey and express himself really well. Looking forward to it. On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 3:44 PM, Michael Clarke m...@bluecstudios.com wrote: Count me in for the webinar. Very interested to see what could become of the package if it has some customer-focused dedication behind it. I suspect my strategy at this point shared by a number of other users. I'll continue to use SI and take the Maya path for the moment. The real decision will be whether to continue with maintenance or to continue to use SI (an probably Maya) without a viable upgrade path. Either way, i am going to be looking for a package to fill in some gaps and MODO looks like a reasonably priced quality alternative with a future. If in two years it looks like it could one day be a truly complete app comparable to AD's offerings, then the decision to cut ties with AD becomes less difficult. Up until that point — and as some have pointed out already, several years beyond, — SI will remain a functional tool capable of handling most of my needs. MODO can at minimum be something of a stopgap to hedge the risks. It looks like fairly low cost way of providing a buffer to the current dilemma. It's value as a supplemental tool is worth looking into, whether or not it ever becomes a primary production tool. The whole relationship with The Foundry feels good at this point. One more thing. AD had some great people working there, and most of the folks who interacted with customers were extremely dedicated and helpful. What I always sensed from them, however, was a disconnect between the support and development teams, and the decision makers within the company. That's something smaller companies like LUX/Foundry can handle differently. I'm not looking for MODO to become my primary tool. On Mar 6, 2014, at 12:09 PM, Eugen Sares sof...@mail.sprit.org wrote: In for that webinar, too... -- Originalnachricht -- Von: Tim Crowson tim.crow...@magneticdreams.com An: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Gesendet: 06.03.2014 19:01:30 Betreff: Re: Luxology Modo 50% off for this mailing list - A new word from Brad Peebler Yes there is. Not much of a secret anymore :-) -Tim On 3/6/2014 11:55 AM, Paul Griswold wrote: Oh don't get me started on the history of Modo - it'll totally derail things. I'm an old-time Lightwave beta tester from the early-mid 1990's. Brad Peebler was my contact at NewTek back in those days. There's a whole drama around how Modo came about. ᐧ On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 12:52 PM, Tim Crowson tim.crow...@magneticdreams.com wrote: Mmm Paul I think you're getting close to the genetic fallacy with that. Also I'm not sure Modo was ever intended to replace Lightwave. Maybe, just not sure...? I think your point about opening things up the way ICE does is an important distinction to make though. ICE is a platform, not just series of tools to meet specific needs. As such, it shares a room with very few systems (Houdini, Maya internally as I understand...). But the vast majority of 3D applications out there, including Softimage (minus ICE), are built to address specific, known production needs. I don't think it's fair to criticize the choice to design an application this way, simply because such a design choice indicates that the developer is trying to meet artists' known needs. Certainly there's absolutely no denying the power and flexibility of a platform like ICE/Houdini, which essentially opens up a layer between the raw API and the immediate toolset exposed to the user, allowing them to create new tools via node-based programming. But if that'sall we had, I doubt many of us could get our work done on time. Most of us still need traditional, focused toolsets as well. As for Modo, people are going to have to take the responsibility of doing their own due diligence in evaluating it. There's no definite answer to 'can it replace Softimage?' That's silly. It just depends on what your needs are, like everything else. In its current state and because of our pipeline here at Magnetic, I use Modo primarily as a swiss army knife. Just yesterday I was able to load in an illustrator file with complicated curves
Re: Luxology Modo 50% off for this mailing list - A new word from Brad Peebler
a Modo webinar? Count me in! Chris On 06/03/14 22:46, David Rivera wrote: Yes, please I´m into the webinar. I recently saw this: https://vimeo.com/76876920 and I´m picturing myself adding more modo mentality asap :) Thanks. David R. On Thursday, March 6, 2014 2:01 PM, Nic Sievers siev...@gmail.com wrote: Count me in as well On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 10:59 AM, Sebastien Sterling sebastien.sterl...@gmail.com mailto:sebastien.sterl...@gmail.com wrote: Webinar sounds cool would love to hear where things are going On 6 March 2014 18:54, Maurício PC goneba...@gmail.com mailto:goneba...@gmail.com wrote: I'm also in for the webinar. Brads webinar are always fun and he can convey and express himself really well. Looking forward to it. On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 3:44 PM, Michael Clarke m...@bluecstudios.com mailto:m...@bluecstudios.com wrote: Count me in for the webinar. Very interested to see what could become of the package if it has some customer-focused dedication behind it. I suspect my strategy at this point shared by a number of other users. I'll continue to use SI and take the Maya path for the moment. The real decision will be whether to continue with maintenance or to continue to use SI (an probably Maya) without a viable upgrade path. Either way, i am going to be looking for a package to fill in some gaps and MODO looks like a reasonably priced quality alternative with a future. If in two years it looks like it could one day be a truly complete app comparable to AD's offerings, then the decision to cut ties with AD becomes less difficult. Up until that point — and as some have pointed out already, several years beyond, — SI will remain a functional tool capable of handling most of my needs. MODO can at minimum be something of a stopgap to hedge the risks. It looks like fairly low cost way of providing a buffer to the current dilemma. It's value as a supplemental tool is worth looking into, whether or not it ever becomes a primary production tool. The whole relationship with The Foundry feels good at this point. One more thing. AD had some great people working there, and most of the folks who interacted with customers were extremely dedicated and helpful. What I always sensed from them, however, was a disconnect between the support and development teams, and the decision makers within the company. That's something smaller companies like LUX/Foundry can handle differently. I'm not looking for MODO to become my primary tool. On Mar 6, 2014, at 12:09 PM, Eugen Sares sof...@mail.sprit.org mailto:sof...@mail.sprit.org wrote: In for that webinar, too... -- Originalnachricht -- Von: Tim Crowson tim.crow...@magneticdreams.com mailto:tim.crow...@magneticdreams.com An:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Gesendet: 06.03.2014 19:01:30 Betreff: Re: Luxology Modo 50% off for this mailing list - A new word from Brad Peebler Yes there is. Not much of a secret anymore :-) -Tim On 3/6/2014 11:55 AM, Paul Griswold wrote: Oh don't get me started on the history of Modo - it'll totally derail things. I'm an old-time Lightwave beta tester from the early-mid 1990's. Brad Peebler was my contact at NewTek back in those days. There's a whole drama around how Modo came about. ᐧ On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 12:52 PM, Tim Crowsontim.crow...@magneticdreams.com mailto:tim.crow...@magneticdreams.comwrote: Mmm Paul I think you're getting close to thegenetic fallacy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_fallacywith that. Also I'm not sure Modo was ever intended to replace Lightwave. Maybe, just not sure...? I think your point about opening things up the way ICE does is an important distinction to make though. ICE is a platform, not just series of tools to meet specific needs. As such, it shares a room with very few systems (Houdini, Maya internally as I understand...). But the vast majority of 3D applications out there, including Softimage (minus ICE), are built to address specific, known production needs. I don't think it's fair
Re: Luxology Modo 50% off for this mailing list - A new word from Brad Peebler
I'll take a slice of that webinar. Might bring a few people online with me. :)
Re: Luxology Modo 50% off for this mailing list - A new word from Brad Peebler
I'm interested in that webinar and Modo also. 2014-03-06 23:47 GMT+01:00 Votch megavo...@gmail.com: I'll take a slice of that webinar. Might bring a few people online with me. :)
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i'm in On 6 March 2014 23:13, Petr Zloty petr.zl...@gmail.com wrote: I'm interested in that webinar and Modo also. 2014-03-06 23:47 GMT+01:00 Votch megavo...@gmail.com: I'll take a slice of that webinar. Might bring a few people online with me. :)
Re: Luxology Modo 50% off for this mailing list - A new word from Brad Peebler
Proton is amazing. I remember him from LightWave time. Great guy. As for the 50% ... still waiting for Brad to answer the e-mail. I missed the coupon time (damnit). But I guess his inbox must be impossible to filter lately. On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 10:34 PM, Sebastien Sterling sebastien.sterl...@gmail.com wrote: i'm in On 6 March 2014 23:13, Petr Zloty petr.zl...@gmail.com wrote: I'm interested in that webinar and Modo also. 2014-03-06 23:47 GMT+01:00 Votch megavo...@gmail.com: I'll take a slice of that webinar. Might bring a few people online with me. :) -- gonebadfx.com - your source for bad fx
Re: Luxology Modo 50% off for this mailing list - A new word from Brad Peebler
I too am very interested in the webinar. I have been hearing only good things about Brad and Modo. Looking forward to checking it out. On 3/6/2014 8:34 PM, Sebastien Sterling wrote: i'm in On 6 March 2014 23:13, Petr Zloty petr.zl...@gmail.com mailto:petr.zl...@gmail.com wrote: I'm interested in that webinar and Modo also. 2014-03-06 23:47 GMT+01:00 Votch megavo...@gmail.com mailto:megavo...@gmail.com: I'll take a slice of that webinar. Might bring a few people online with me. :) -- Dan Pejril Upbeat Unique Entertainment www.UpbeatUnique.com
Re: Luxology Modo 50% off for this mailing list - A new word from Brad Peebler
I have been eying Modo for some time... I would love to see what Brad is cooking up... On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 9:24 PM, Rares Halmagean ra...@rarebrush.com wrote: I'll give a go! On 3/6/2014 4:37 PM, Christoph Muetze wrote: a Modo webinar? Count me in! Chris On 06/03/14 22:46, David Rivera wrote: Yes, please I´m into the webinar. I recently saw this: https://vimeo.com/76876920 and I´m picturing myself adding more modo mentality asap :) Thanks. David R. On Thursday, March 6, 2014 2:01 PM, Nic Sievers siev...@gmail.comsiev...@gmail.comwrote: Count me in as well On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 10:59 AM, Sebastien Sterling sebastien.sterl...@gmail.com mailto:sebastien.sterl...@gmail.comsebastien.sterl...@gmail.com wrote: Webinar sounds cool would love to hear where things are going On 6 March 2014 18:54, Maurício PC goneba...@gmail.com mailto:goneba...@gmail.com goneba...@gmail.com wrote: I'm also in for the webinar. Brads webinar are always fun and he can convey and express himself really well. Looking forward to it. On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 3:44 PM, Michael Clarke m...@bluecstudios.com mailto:m...@bluecstudios.comm...@bluecstudios.com wrote: Count me in for the webinar. Very interested to see what could become of the package if it has some customer-focused dedication behind it. I suspect my strategy at this point shared by a number of other users. I'll continue to use SI and take the Maya path for the moment. The real decision will be whether to continue with maintenance or to continue to use SI (an probably Maya) without a viable upgrade path. Either way, i am going to be looking for a package to fill in some gaps and MODO looks like a reasonably priced quality alternative with a future. If in two years it looks like it could one day be a truly complete app comparable to AD's offerings, then the decision to cut ties with AD becomes less difficult. Up until that point — and as some have pointed out already, several years beyond, — SI will remain a functional tool capable of handling most of my needs. MODO can at minimum be something of a stopgap to hedge the risks. It looks like fairly low cost way of providing a buffer to the current dilemma. It's value as a supplemental tool is worth looking into, whether or not it ever becomes a primary production tool. The whole relationship with The Foundry feels good at this point. One more thing. AD had some great people working there, and most of the folks who interacted with customers were extremely dedicated and helpful. What I always sensed from them, however, was a disconnect between the support and development teams, and the decision makers within the company. That's something smaller companies like LUX/Foundry can handle differently. I'm not looking for MODO to become my primary tool. On Mar 6, 2014, at 12:09 PM, Eugen Sares sof...@mail.sprit.org mailto:sof...@mail.sprit.orgsof...@mail.sprit.org wrote: In for that webinar, too... -- Originalnachricht -- Von: Tim Crowson tim.crow...@magneticdreams.com mailto:tim.crow...@magneticdreams.comtim.crow...@magneticdreams.com An:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.comsoftimage@listproc.autodesk.com Gesendet: 06.03.2014 19:01:30 Betreff: Re: Luxology Modo 50% off for this mailing list - A new word from Brad Peebler Yes there is. Not much of a secret anymore :-) -Tim On 3/6/2014 11:55 AM, Paul Griswold wrote: Oh don't get me started on the history of Modo - it'll totally derail things. I'm an old-time Lightwave beta tester from the early-mid 1990's. Brad Peebler was my contact at NewTek back in those days. There's a whole drama around how Modo came about. ᐧ On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 12:52 PM, Tim Crowsontim.crow...@magneticdreams.com mailto:tim.crow...@magneticdreams.comtim.crow...@magneticdreams.comwrote: Mmm Paul I think you're getting close to thegenetic fallacy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_fallacyhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_fallacywith that. Also I'm not sure Modo was ever intended to replace Lightwave. Maybe, just not sure
Re: Luxology Modo 50% off for this mailing list - A new word from Brad Peebler
Count me in for the Webinar On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 11:50 AM, Tim Crowson tim.crow...@magneticdreams.com wrote: More contact from Brad off-list He says the following... *I've been thinking about how this all went down and I'm feeling a bit sad about it. I have a new idea. People should not feel like they have to rush to make a move. They don't! Soft is still awesome and will be for years to come. Rather than offering another promo code what I would like to do is offer an extended trial of MODO for anyone who wants it. They can contact me directly and I'll get them setup with a 60 day license. My offer still stands that anyone who talks to me directly will also find that I am a man of my word (with regard to the code). Wink wink. I can't publicly extend that offer but I will stand by it for anyone on that list.* *I would also be willing to set up an invitation only webinar for the list so we can talk openly under a gentlemens NDA. I'd love to clear up some of the confusion about MODO being built as a modeler only and share some short, mid and long term goals for the product. Finally, I'm getting quite a bit of email this week so if someone doesn't hear from me straight away please feel free to send your email again. I won't be offended to get spammed. :)* If you guys are interested in taking him up in his webinar idea, please voice it! I'm pretty sure he can read these messages on the Google group, but if not I'm happy to convey your corporate response. -Tim
Re: Luxology Modo 50% off for this mailing list - A new word from Brad Peebler
Hi guys, can you take-up Tim's offer saying that he'd forward to Brad your webinar participation request? so that it wouldn't look so much like a mass migration, or somewhat overwhelming an understandably slightly more silent list? That's what I'm going to do myself also being curious :) On 03/04/14 22:30, Tim Crowson wrote: I'm pretty sure he can read these messages on the Google group, but if not, I'm happy to convey your corporate response.
Re: Luxology Modo 50% off for this mailing list - A new word from Brad Peebler
Count me in as well 2014-03-07 6:59 GMT+01:00 Jason S jasonsta...@gmail.com: Hi guys, can you take-up Tim's offer saying that he'd forward to Brad your webinar participation request? so that it wouldn't look so much like a mass migration, or somewhat overwhelming an understandably slightly more silent list? That's what I'm going to do myself also being curious :) On 03/04/14 22:30, Tim Crowson wrote: I'm pretty sure he can read these messages on the Google group, but if not, I'm happy to convey your corporate response. -- Michael Johansson Artist/Senior Lecturer/Researcher Kristianstad University Digital Design 29188 Kristianstad Email michael.johans...@hkr.se Infobloom Grönegatan 4a 222 24 Lund Email: mich...@lowend.se www.lowend.se www.abadyl.com
Re: Luxology Modo 50% off for this mailing list
It works :) - and thanks for making the effort Raff! Morten Den 5. marts 2014 kl. 04:51 skrev Raffaele Fragapane raffsxsil...@googlemail.com: Personally I find the offer monetary value itself barely relevant. Let me explain: It's more the fact a person as highly positioned as him keeps in touch with people who have hardly anything to do with his products and is wiling to jump a whole chain of decision makers and bureaucracy to make something happen in a few hours that matters to me. If it saves you a few hundred bucks that's a bonus for sure :) BTW apparently it's the community store or something like that that should be used at: http://community.thefoundry.co.uk/store/modo/ http://community.thefoundry.co.uk/store/modo/ Some other store locations might not accept coupons. On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 2:45 PM, nick name creator3dstu...@gmail.com mailto:creator3dstu...@gmail.com wrote: You'd never see such a gesture from Adsk. On the other hand I think it's a bit too early for this offer for most Softimage users to make a jump in one direction or another. Not saying that there won't be a few that will want to score this opportunity, so... yeah, it's a lot better than nothing.
Re: Luxology Modo 50% off for this mailing list
Ha, ha, very nice move! Thanks to Brad and Luxology!
Re: Luxology Modo 50% off for this mailing list
Very generous Simon Reeves London, UK *si...@simonreeves.com si...@simonreeves.com* *www.simonreeves.com http://www.simonreeves.com* *www.analogstudio.co.uk http://www.analogstudio.co.uk* On 5 March 2014 10:13, Eric Mootz e...@mootzoid.com wrote: Ha, ha, very nice move! Thanks to Brad and Luxology!
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Click. License bought. Thanks Brad!!! :) 2014-03-05 11:42 GMT+01:00 Simon Reeves si...@simonreeves.com: Very generous Simon Reeves London, UK *si...@simonreeves.com si...@simonreeves.com* *www.simonreeves.com http://www.simonreeves.com* *www.analogstudio.co.uk http://www.analogstudio.co.uk* On 5 March 2014 10:13, Eric Mootz e...@mootzoid.com wrote: Ha, ha, very nice move! Thanks to Brad and Luxology! -- PGP-ID(RSA): 0xD6E0CE93 Fingerprint: 879F 572C FEE4 9DE5 53A8 3C1C 22A9 C8DE D6E0 CE93
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Very nice of you to challenge Brad, Raff! Would anyone know if this will entitle us to get v8 when it comes out? Thanks MAC From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Raffaele Fragapane Sent: 4 mars 2014 22:16 To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Luxology Modo 50% off for this mailing list Hi all, If you can't be bothered to read some text, the important bit is in bold a few paragraphs down. Now that the worst kept secret EVER has seen the sunlight, while everybody is still shell shocked, I think it's worth posting this. I'd like to say I'm surprised, or emotionally drained, but I'm actually barely upset. Writing's been on the wall for entirely too long. Deciding to not use Maya just because it's an AD product, at least for me, is like cutting one's own nose to spite the face; then in my domain (character work) Maya is too significant a player to just outright ignore it out of principle, not to mention I've been using it professionally or personally since v1. That said maybe some of you work in a different domain, and for you Modo, or Houdini, or C4D are a viable option. Coming from there, and more on topic, I have little faith in all these petitions, rage posts and the such, so I thought I'd start a different line of efforts to help a community I've been part of for Idon'twanttothinkhowlongitsscary. More on topic, if I had to find issue with this announcement and all it entails it's how badly it was managed and conceived. Not only it's an incredibly ponderous decision with inevitable gravity, it was also announced with barely any time to spare between its intended date and some hard dates on its effects. Of everything I heard and read insofar it's not so much the killing of Soft I find unacceptable (I guess I was well resigned in those regards, not that it doesn't sadden me enormously), as much as what picture it paints of AD customer management when they do such a thing, and proceed to aggravate the issue with nebulous information and an unacceptably short window of time for the user base to make some rather consequential decisions. But are the competitors any better? Any more accessible and transparent in their communication and dealings? Well, I was having an exchange in private with Brad Peebler, founder of Luxology, and I put to him whether the Foundry/Luxology would have the flexibility and agility to do something about short term. Turns out they do. In a few hours they set up everything for a 50% discount on Modo purchases. No strings attached, just because I jokingly challenged him to. Go to the online store and use the coupon raffofkahn for half price check-out. I'm not a Modo user, nor have the time or inclination right now to become one. I'm not going to suddenly wish AD any ill or stop using their products, though they sure did their damnest to make me even more guarded when dealing with their PR and promises. I did really enjoy dealing with the Foundry in the past though, and I have now to extend that respect to its Luxology arm. At the very least they are willing to act transparently and unconditionally on matters all the way from the top of the product chain. Cheers, Raff P.S. The actual coupon's text was Brad's idea, not mine! I imagine he read my signature and thought I was a Trekkie or something like that. P.P.S. I'm not getting anything out of this. I'm not a modo user, I'm not getting freebies, it has nothing to do with my employer, what the hell, it barely has anything to do with me outside the last few hours and this e-mail itself. I simply thought it was a nice and significant gesture on Brad's side and decided to help him reach out on account of his personality and display of good will. -- Our users will know fear and cower before our software! Ship it! Ship it and let them flee like the dogs they are!
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I love seeing gestures like this. Anyone know how long this discount is valid for. I'd like to try it for a bit before blindly spending, what is still allot of money, if you happen to live in Africa :) G On 2014/03/05 05:15 AM, Raffaele Fragapane wrote: Hi all, If you can't be bothered to read some text, the important bit is in bold a few paragraphs down. Now that the worst kept secret EVER has seen the sunlight, while everybody is still shell shocked, I think it's worth posting this. I'd like to say I'm surprised, or emotionally drained, but I'm actually barely upset. Writing's been on the wall for entirely too long. Deciding to not use Maya just because it's an AD product, at least for me, is like cutting one's own nose to spite the face; then in my domain (character work) Maya is too significant a player to just outright ignore it out of principle, not to mention I've been using it professionally or personally since v1. That said maybe some of you work in a different domain, and for you Modo, or Houdini, or C4D are a viable option. Coming from there, and more on topic, I have little faith in all these petitions, rage posts and the such, so I thought I'd start a different line of efforts to help a community I've been part of for Idon'twanttothinkhowlongitsscary. More on topic, if I had to find issue with this announcement and all it entails it's how badly it was managed and conceived. Not only it's an incredibly ponderous decision with inevitable gravity, it was also announced with barely any time to spare between its intended date and some hard dates on its effects. Of everything I heard and read insofar it's not so much the killing of Soft I find unacceptable (I guess I was well resigned in those regards, not that it doesn't sadden me enormously), as much as what picture it paints of AD customer management when they do such a thing, and proceed to aggravate the issue with nebulous information and an unacceptably short window of time for the user base to make some rather consequential decisions. But are the competitors any better? Any more accessible and transparent in their communication and dealings? Well, I was having an exchange in private with Brad Peebler, founder of Luxology, and I put to him whether the Foundry/Luxology would have the flexibility and agility to do something about short term. Turns out they do. In a few hours they set up everything for a *50% discount on Modo* purchases. No strings attached, just because I jokingly challenged him to. *Go to the online store and use the coupon raffofkahn for half price check-out.* I'm not a Modo user, nor have the time or inclination right now to become one. I'm not going to suddenly wish AD any ill or stop using their products, though they sure did their damnest to make me even more guarded when dealing with their PR and promises. I did really enjoy dealing with the Foundry in the past though, and I have now to extend that respect to its Luxology arm. At the very least they are willing to act transparently and unconditionally on matters all the way from the top of the product chain. Cheers, Raff P.S. The actual coupon's text was Brad's idea, not mine! I imagine he read my signature and thought I was a Trekkie or something like that. P.P.S. I'm not getting anything out of this. I'm not a modo user, I'm not getting freebies, it has nothing to do with my employer, what the hell, it barely has anything to do with me outside the last few hours and this e-mail itself. I simply thought it was a nice and significant gesture on Brad's side and decided to help him reach out on account of his personality and display of good will. -- Our users will know fear and cower before our software! Ship it! Ship it and let them flee like the dogs they are!
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Yeah be good to know when this runs too. need to evaluate it first before jumping straight on no matter how good the deal is!! Daniel Sweeney 3D Creative Director *Mobile:* +44 (0)7743429771 *Email:* dan...@northforge.co.uk *Web:* http://northforge.co.uk On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 2:03 PM, Gerbrand Nel nagv...@gmail.com wrote: I love seeing gestures like this. Anyone know how long this discount is valid for. I'd like to try it for a bit before blindly spending, what is still allot of money, if you happen to live in Africa :) G On 2014/03/05 05:15 AM, Raffaele Fragapane wrote: Hi all, If you can't be bothered to read some text, the important bit is in bold a few paragraphs down. Now that the worst kept secret EVER has seen the sunlight, while everybody is still shell shocked, I think it's worth posting this. I'd like to say I'm surprised, or emotionally drained, but I'm actually barely upset. Writing's been on the wall for entirely too long. Deciding to not use Maya just because it's an AD product, at least for me, is like cutting one's own nose to spite the face; then in my domain (character work) Maya is too significant a player to just outright ignore it out of principle, not to mention I've been using it professionally or personally since v1. That said maybe some of you work in a different domain, and for you Modo, or Houdini, or C4D are a viable option. Coming from there, and more on topic, I have little faith in all these petitions, rage posts and the such, so I thought I'd start a different line of efforts to help a community I've been part of for Idon'twanttothinkhowlongitsscary. More on topic, if I had to find issue with this announcement and all it entails it's how badly it was managed and conceived. Not only it's an incredibly ponderous decision with inevitable gravity, it was also announced with barely any time to spare between its intended date and some hard dates on its effects. Of everything I heard and read insofar it's not so much the killing of Soft I find unacceptable (I guess I was well resigned in those regards, not that it doesn't sadden me enormously), as much as what picture it paints of AD customer management when they do such a thing, and proceed to aggravate the issue with nebulous information and an unacceptably short window of time for the user base to make some rather consequential decisions. But are the competitors any better? Any more accessible and transparent in their communication and dealings? Well, I was having an exchange in private with Brad Peebler, founder of Luxology, and I put to him whether the Foundry/Luxology would have the flexibility and agility to do something about short term. Turns out they do. In a few hours they set up everything for a *50% discount on Modo*purchases. No strings attached, just because I jokingly challenged him to. *Go to the online store and use the coupon raffofkahn for half price check-out.* I'm not a Modo user, nor have the time or inclination right now to become one. I'm not going to suddenly wish AD any ill or stop using their products, though they sure did their damnest to make me even more guarded when dealing with their PR and promises. I did really enjoy dealing with the Foundry in the past though, and I have now to extend that respect to its Luxology arm. At the very least they are willing to act transparently and unconditionally on matters all the way from the top of the product chain. Cheers, Raff P.S. The actual coupon's text was Brad's idea, not mine! I imagine he read my signature and thought I was a Trekkie or something like that. P.P.S. I'm not getting anything out of this. I'm not a modo user, I'm not getting freebies, it has nothing to do with my employer, what the hell, it barely has anything to do with me outside the last few hours and this e-mail itself. I simply thought it was a nice and significant gesture on Brad's side and decided to help him reach out on account of his personality and display of good will. -- Our users will know fear and cower before our software! Ship it! Ship it and let them flee like the dogs they are!
RE: Luxology Modo 50% off for this mailing list
You can get the 15 day demo that should allow you play with it. Also watch the learnign videos at http://www.thefoundry.co.uk/products/modo/learn/ I suggest the 11 Getting started Videos as they show some nice features. There is also stuff on digital tutors as well We got a license to evaluate for when we need to change software at Wits Kind regards Angus From: Gerbrand Nel [nagv...@gmail.com] Sent: 05 March 2014 04:03 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Luxology Modo 50% off for this mailing list I love seeing gestures like this. Anyone know how long this discount is valid for. I'd like to try it for a bit before blindly spending, what is still allot of money, if you happen to live in Africa :) G On 2014/03/05 05:15 AM, Raffaele Fragapane wrote: Hi all, If you can't be bothered to read some text, the important bit is in bold a few paragraphs down. Now that the worst kept secret EVER has seen the sunlight, while everybody is still shell shocked, I think it's worth posting this. I'd like to say I'm surprised, or emotionally drained, but I'm actually barely upset. Writing's been on the wall for entirely too long. Deciding to not use Maya just because it's an AD product, at least for me, is like cutting one's own nose to spite the face; then in my domain (character work) Maya is too significant a player to just outright ignore it out of principle, not to mention I've been using it professionally or personally since v1. That said maybe some of you work in a different domain, and for you Modo, or Houdini, or C4D are a viable option. Coming from there, and more on topic, I have little faith in all these petitions, rage posts and the such, so I thought I'd start a different line of efforts to help a community I've been part of for Idon'twanttothinkhowlongitsscary. More on topic, if I had to find issue with this announcement and all it entails it's how badly it was managed and conceived. Not only it's an incredibly ponderous decision with inevitable gravity, it was also announced with barely any time to spare between its intended date and some hard dates on its effects. Of everything I heard and read insofar it's not so much the killing of Soft I find unacceptable (I guess I was well resigned in those regards, not that it doesn't sadden me enormously), as much as what picture it paints of AD customer management when they do such a thing, and proceed to aggravate the issue with nebulous information and an unacceptably short window of time for the user base to make some rather consequential decisions. But are the competitors any better? Any more accessible and transparent in their communication and dealings? Well, I was having an exchange in private with Brad Peebler, founder of Luxology, and I put to him whether the Foundry/Luxology would have the flexibility and agility to do something about short term. Turns out they do. In a few hours they set up everything for a 50% discount on Modo purchases. No strings attached, just because I jokingly challenged him to. Go to the online store and use the coupon raffofkahn for half price check-out. I'm not a Modo user, nor have the time or inclination right now to become one. I'm not going to suddenly wish AD any ill or stop using their products, though they sure did their damnest to make me even more guarded when dealing with their PR and promises. I did really enjoy dealing with the Foundry in the past though, and I have now to extend that respect to its Luxology arm. At the very least they are willing to act transparently and unconditionally on matters all the way from the top of the product chain. Cheers, Raff P.S. The actual coupon's text was Brad's idea, not mine! I imagine he read my signature and thought I was a Trekkie or something like that. P.P.S. I'm not getting anything out of this. I'm not a modo user, I'm not getting freebies, it has nothing to do with my employer, what the hell, it barely has anything to do with me outside the last few hours and this e-mail itself. I simply thought it was a nice and significant gesture on Brad's side and decided to help him reach out on account of his personality and display of good will. -- Our users will know fear and cower before our software! Ship it! Ship it and let them flee like the dogs they are! table width=100% border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 style=width:100%; tr td align=left style=text-align:justify;font face=arial,sans-serif size=1 color=#99span style=font-size:11px;This communication is intended for the addressee only. It is confidential. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately and destroy the original message. You may not copy or disseminate this communication without the permission of the University. Only authorised signatories are competent to enter into agreements on behalf of the University and recipients are thus advised that the content
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I'm willing to buy it, but I don't know if I should wait for Modo 801. Because to buy this and later have to spend more 500 USD to update will put a serious hole on my wallet. Does anybody knows if this purchase will lets us upgrade to 801 with a nice discount? :D Anyway ... Brad always seemed like a great guy and this is prove of that. On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 11:03 AM, Gerbrand Nel nagv...@gmail.com wrote: I love seeing gestures like this. Anyone know how long this discount is valid for. I'd like to try it for a bit before blindly spending, what is still allot of money, if you happen to live in Africa :) G On 2014/03/05 05:15 AM, Raffaele Fragapane wrote: Hi all, If you can't be bothered to read some text, the important bit is in bold a few paragraphs down. Now that the worst kept secret EVER has seen the sunlight, while everybody is still shell shocked, I think it's worth posting this. I'd like to say I'm surprised, or emotionally drained, but I'm actually barely upset. Writing's been on the wall for entirely too long. Deciding to not use Maya just because it's an AD product, at least for me, is like cutting one's own nose to spite the face; then in my domain (character work) Maya is too significant a player to just outright ignore it out of principle, not to mention I've been using it professionally or personally since v1. That said maybe some of you work in a different domain, and for you Modo, or Houdini, or C4D are a viable option. Coming from there, and more on topic, I have little faith in all these petitions, rage posts and the such, so I thought I'd start a different line of efforts to help a community I've been part of for Idon'twanttothinkhowlongitsscary. More on topic, if I had to find issue with this announcement and all it entails it's how badly it was managed and conceived. Not only it's an incredibly ponderous decision with inevitable gravity, it was also announced with barely any time to spare between its intended date and some hard dates on its effects. Of everything I heard and read insofar it's not so much the killing of Soft I find unacceptable (I guess I was well resigned in those regards, not that it doesn't sadden me enormously), as much as what picture it paints of AD customer management when they do such a thing, and proceed to aggravate the issue with nebulous information and an unacceptably short window of time for the user base to make some rather consequential decisions. But are the competitors any better? Any more accessible and transparent in their communication and dealings? Well, I was having an exchange in private with Brad Peebler, founder of Luxology, and I put to him whether the Foundry/Luxology would have the flexibility and agility to do something about short term. Turns out they do. In a few hours they set up everything for a *50% discount on Modo*purchases. No strings attached, just because I jokingly challenged him to. *Go to the online store and use the coupon raffofkahn for half price check-out.* I'm not a Modo user, nor have the time or inclination right now to become one. I'm not going to suddenly wish AD any ill or stop using their products, though they sure did their damnest to make me even more guarded when dealing with their PR and promises. I did really enjoy dealing with the Foundry in the past though, and I have now to extend that respect to its Luxology arm. At the very least they are willing to act transparently and unconditionally on matters all the way from the top of the product chain. Cheers, Raff P.S. The actual coupon's text was Brad's idea, not mine! I imagine he read my signature and thought I was a Trekkie or something like that. P.P.S. I'm not getting anything out of this. I'm not a modo user, I'm not getting freebies, it has nothing to do with my employer, what the hell, it barely has anything to do with me outside the last few hours and this e-mail itself. I simply thought it was a nice and significant gesture on Brad's side and decided to help him reach out on account of his personality and display of good will. -- Our users will know fear and cower before our software! Ship it! Ship it and let them flee like the dogs they are! -- gonebadfx.com - your source for bad fx
Re: Luxology Modo 50% off for this mailing list
i would love to buy this if only to mess with AD but..i dont even know of any facilities in NYC that use it .anyone? as a freelancer, that's kind of the key point On Wednesday, March 5, 2014 9:45 AM, Maurício PC goneba...@gmail.com wrote: I'm willing to buy it, but I don't know if I should wait for Modo 801. Because to buy this and later have to spend more 500 USD to update will put a serious hole on my wallet. Does anybody knows if this purchase will lets us upgrade to 801 with a nice discount? :D Anyway ... Brad always seemed like a great guy and this is prove of that. On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 11:03 AM, Gerbrand Nel nagv...@gmail.com wrote: I love seeing gestures like this. Anyone know how long this discount is valid for. I'd like to try it for a bit before blindly spending, what is still allot of money, if you happen to live in Africa :) G On 2014/03/05 05:15 AM, Raffaele Fragapane wrote: Hi all, If you can't be bothered to read some text, the important bit is in bold a few paragraphs down. Now that the worst kept secret EVER has seen the sunlight, while everybody is still shell shocked, I think it's worth posting this. I'd like to say I'm surprised, or emotionally drained, but I'm actually barely upset. Writing's been on the wall for entirely too long. Deciding to not use Maya just because it's an AD product, at least for me, is like cutting one's own nose to spite the face; then in my domain (character work) Maya is too significant a player to just outright ignore it out of principle, not to mention I've been using it professionally or personally since v1. That said maybe some of you work in a different domain, and for you Modo, or Houdini, or C4D are a viable option. Coming from there, and more on topic, I have little faith in all these petitions, rage posts and the such, so I thought I'd start a different line of efforts to help a community I've been part of for Idon'twanttothinkhowlongitsscary. More on topic, if I had to find issue with this announcement and all it entails it's how badly it was managed and conceived. Not only it's an incredibly ponderous decision with inevitable gravity, it was also announced with barely any time to spare between its intended date and some hard dates on its effects. Of everything I heard and read insofar it's not so much the killing of Soft I find unacceptable (I guess I was well resigned in those regards, not that it doesn't sadden me enormously), as much as what picture it paints of AD customer management when they do such a thing, and proceed to aggravate the issue with nebulous information and an unacceptably short window of time for the user base to make some rather consequential decisions. But are the competitors any better? Any more accessible and transparent in their communication and dealings? Well, I was having an exchange in private with Brad Peebler, founder of Luxology, and I put to him whether the Foundry/Luxology would have the flexibility and agility to do something about short term. Turns out they do. In a few hours they set up everything for a 50% discount on Modo purchases. No strings attached, just because I jokingly challenged him to. Go to the online store and use the coupon raffofkahn for half price check-out. I'm not a Modo user, nor have the time or inclination right now to become one. I'm not going to suddenly wish AD any ill or stop using their products, though they sure did their damnest to make me even more guarded when dealing with their PR and promises. I did really enjoy dealing with the Foundry in the past though, and I have now to extend that respect to its Luxology arm. At the very least they are willing to act transparently and unconditionally on matters all the way from the top of the product chain. Cheers, Raff P.S. The actual coupon's text was Brad's idea, not mine! I imagine he read my signature and thought I was a Trekkie or something like that. P.P.S. I'm not getting anything out of this. I'm not a modo user, I'm not getting freebies, it has nothing to do with my employer, what the hell, it barely has anything to do with me outside the last few hours and this e-mail itself. I simply thought it was a nice and significant gesture on Brad's side and decided to help him reach out on account of his personality and display of good will. -- Our users will know fear and cower before our software! Ship it! Ship it and let them flee like the dogs they are! -- gonebadfx.com - your source for bad fx
RE: Luxology Modo 50% off for this mailing list
Act two http://www.acttwo-um.com/careers From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of john clausing Sent: 5 mars 2014 09:52 To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Luxology Modo 50% off for this mailing list i would love to buy this if only to mess with AD but..i dont even know of any facilities in NYC that use it .anyone? as a freelancer, that's kind of the key point On Wednesday, March 5, 2014 9:45 AM, Maurício PC goneba...@gmail.commailto:goneba...@gmail.com wrote: I'm willing to buy it, but I don't know if I should wait for Modo 801. Because to buy this and later have to spend more 500 USD to update will put a serious hole on my wallet. Does anybody knows if this purchase will lets us upgrade to 801 with a nice discount? :D Anyway ... Brad always seemed like a great guy and this is prove of that. On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 11:03 AM, Gerbrand Nel nagv...@gmail.commailto:nagv...@gmail.com wrote: I love seeing gestures like this. Anyone know how long this discount is valid for. I'd like to try it for a bit before blindly spending, what is still allot of money, if you happen to live in Africa :) G On 2014/03/05 05:15 AM, Raffaele Fragapane wrote: Hi all, If you can't be bothered to read some text, the important bit is in bold a few paragraphs down. Now that the worst kept secret EVER has seen the sunlight, while everybody is still shell shocked, I think it's worth posting this. I'd like to say I'm surprised, or emotionally drained, but I'm actually barely upset. Writing's been on the wall for entirely too long. Deciding to not use Maya just because it's an AD product, at least for me, is like cutting one's own nose to spite the face; then in my domain (character work) Maya is too significant a player to just outright ignore it out of principle, not to mention I've been using it professionally or personally since v1. That said maybe some of you work in a different domain, and for you Modo, or Houdini, or C4D are a viable option. Coming from there, and more on topic, I have little faith in all these petitions, rage posts and the such, so I thought I'd start a different line of efforts to help a community I've been part of for Idon'twanttothinkhowlongitsscary. More on topic, if I had to find issue with this announcement and all it entails it's how badly it was managed and conceived. Not only it's an incredibly ponderous decision with inevitable gravity, it was also announced with barely any time to spare between its intended date and some hard dates on its effects. Of everything I heard and read insofar it's not so much the killing of Soft I find unacceptable (I guess I was well resigned in those regards, not that it doesn't sadden me enormously), as much as what picture it paints of AD customer management when they do such a thing, and proceed to aggravate the issue with nebulous information and an unacceptably short window of time for the user base to make some rather consequential decisions. But are the competitors any better? Any more accessible and transparent in their communication and dealings? Well, I was having an exchange in private with Brad Peebler, founder of Luxology, and I put to him whether the Foundry/Luxology would have the flexibility and agility to do something about short term. Turns out they do. In a few hours they set up everything for a 50% discount on Modo purchases. No strings attached, just because I jokingly challenged him to. Go to the online store and use the coupon raffofkahn for half price check-out. I'm not a Modo user, nor have the time or inclination right now to become one. I'm not going to suddenly wish AD any ill or stop using their products, though they sure did their damnest to make me even more guarded when dealing with their PR and promises. I did really enjoy dealing with the Foundry in the past though, and I have now to extend that respect to its Luxology arm. At the very least they are willing to act transparently and unconditionally on matters all the way from the top of the product chain. Cheers, Raff P.S. The actual coupon's text was Brad's idea, not mine! I imagine he read my signature and thought I was a Trekkie or something like that. P.P.S. I'm not getting anything out of this. I'm not a modo user, I'm not getting freebies, it has nothing to do with my employer, what the hell, it barely has anything to do with me outside the last few hours and this e-mail itself. I simply thought it was a nice and significant gesture on Brad's side and decided to help him reach out on account of his personality and display of good will. -- Our users will know fear and cower before our software! Ship it! Ship it and let them flee like the dogs they are! -- gonebadfx.comhttp://gonebadfx.com/ - your source for bad fx
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I've contacted Brad to try to find out what the deal will be, regarding 801. I'm not privvy to the release date, so I honestly don't know when that's coming. -Tim On 3/5/2014 8:44 AM, Maurício PC wrote: I'm willing to buy it, but I don't know if I should wait for Modo 801. Because to buy this and later have to spend more 500 USD to update will put a serious hole on my wallet. Does anybody knows if this purchase will lets us upgrade to 801 with a nice discount? :D Anyway ... Brad always seemed like a great guy and this is prove of that. On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 11:03 AM, Gerbrand Nel nagv...@gmail.com mailto:nagv...@gmail.com wrote: I love seeing gestures like this. Anyone know how long this discount is valid for. I'd like to try it for a bit before blindly spending, what is still allot of money, if you happen to live in Africa :) G On 2014/03/05 05:15 AM, Raffaele Fragapane wrote: Hi all, If you can't be bothered to read some text, the important bit is in bold a few paragraphs down. Now that the worst kept secret EVER has seen the sunlight, while everybody is still shell shocked, I think it's worth posting this. I'd like to say I'm surprised, or emotionally drained, but I'm actually barely upset. Writing's been on the wall for entirely too long. Deciding to not use Maya just because it's an AD product, at least for me, is like cutting one's own nose to spite the face; then in my domain (character work) Maya is too significant a player to just outright ignore it out of principle, not to mention I've been using it professionally or personally since v1. That said maybe some of you work in a different domain, and for you Modo, or Houdini, or C4D are a viable option. Coming from there, and more on topic, I have little faith in all these petitions, rage posts and the such, so I thought I'd start a different line of efforts to help a community I've been part of for Idon'twanttothinkhowlongitsscary. More on topic, if I had to find issue with this announcement and all it entails it's how badly it was managed and conceived. Not only it's an incredibly ponderous decision with inevitable gravity, it was also announced with barely any time to spare between its intended date and some hard dates on its effects. Of everything I heard and read insofar it's not so much the killing of Soft I find unacceptable (I guess I was well resigned in those regards, not that it doesn't sadden me enormously), as much as what picture it paints of AD customer management when they do such a thing, and proceed to aggravate the issue with nebulous information and an unacceptably short window of time for the user base to make some rather consequential decisions. But are the competitors any better? Any more accessible and transparent in their communication and dealings? Well, I was having an exchange in private with Brad Peebler, founder of Luxology, and I put to him whether the Foundry/Luxology would have the flexibility and agility to do something about short term. Turns out they do. In a few hours they set up everything for a *50% discount on Modo* purchases. No strings attached, just because I jokingly challenged him to. *Go to the online store and use the coupon raffofkahn for half price check-out.* I'm not a Modo user, nor have the time or inclination right now to become one. I'm not going to suddenly wish AD any ill or stop using their products, though they sure did their damnest to make me even more guarded when dealing with their PR and promises. I did really enjoy dealing with the Foundry in the past though, and I have now to extend that respect to its Luxology arm. At the very least they are willing to act transparently and unconditionally on matters all the way from the top of the product chain. Cheers, Raff P.S. The actual coupon's text was Brad's idea, not mine! I imagine he read my signature and thought I was a Trekkie or something like that. P.P.S. I'm not getting anything out of this. I'm not a modo user, I'm not getting freebies, it has nothing to do with my employer, what the hell, it barely has anything to do with me outside the last few hours and this e-mail itself. I simply thought it was a nice and significant gesture on Brad's side and decided to help him reach out on account of his personality and display of good will. -- Our users will know fear and cower before our software! Ship it! Ship it and let them flee like the dogs they are! -- gonebadfx.com http://gonebadfx.com - your source for bad fx -- Signature
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Do they have a summary somewhere of the road map for the software? If your talking to Brad...thanks Tim! Also be nice if Autodesk gave us a roadmap for them so we're not all spinning our wheels. If MAX is dead in the next year be nice to know. Even if they were in development of some uber software...a general idea behind a release date? On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 10:46 AM, Tim Crowson tim.crow...@magneticdreams.com wrote: I've contacted Brad to try to find out what the deal will be, regarding 801. I'm not privvy to the release date, so I honestly don't know when that's coming. -Tim On 3/5/2014 8:44 AM, Maurício PC wrote: I'm willing to buy it, but I don't know if I should wait for Modo 801. Because to buy this and later have to spend more 500 USD to update will put a serious hole on my wallet. Does anybody knows if this purchase will lets us upgrade to 801 with a nice discount? :D Anyway ... Brad always seemed like a great guy and this is prove of that. On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 11:03 AM, Gerbrand Nel nagv...@gmail.com wrote: I love seeing gestures like this. Anyone know how long this discount is valid for. I'd like to try it for a bit before blindly spending, what is still allot of money, if you happen to live in Africa :) G On 2014/03/05 05:15 AM, Raffaele Fragapane wrote: Hi all, If you can't be bothered to read some text, the important bit is in bold a few paragraphs down. Now that the worst kept secret EVER has seen the sunlight, while everybody is still shell shocked, I think it's worth posting this. I'd like to say I'm surprised, or emotionally drained, but I'm actually barely upset. Writing's been on the wall for entirely too long. Deciding to not use Maya just because it's an AD product, at least for me, is like cutting one's own nose to spite the face; then in my domain (character work) Maya is too significant a player to just outright ignore it out of principle, not to mention I've been using it professionally or personally since v1. That said maybe some of you work in a different domain, and for you Modo, or Houdini, or C4D are a viable option. Coming from there, and more on topic, I have little faith in all these petitions, rage posts and the such, so I thought I'd start a different line of efforts to help a community I've been part of for Idon'twanttothinkhowlongitsscary. More on topic, if I had to find issue with this announcement and all it entails it's how badly it was managed and conceived. Not only it's an incredibly ponderous decision with inevitable gravity, it was also announced with barely any time to spare between its intended date and some hard dates on its effects. Of everything I heard and read insofar it's not so much the killing of Soft I find unacceptable (I guess I was well resigned in those regards, not that it doesn't sadden me enormously), as much as what picture it paints of AD customer management when they do such a thing, and proceed to aggravate the issue with nebulous information and an unacceptably short window of time for the user base to make some rather consequential decisions. But are the competitors any better? Any more accessible and transparent in their communication and dealings? Well, I was having an exchange in private with Brad Peebler, founder of Luxology, and I put to him whether the Foundry/Luxology would have the flexibility and agility to do something about short term. Turns out they do. In a few hours they set up everything for a *50% discount on Modo*purchases. No strings attached, just because I jokingly challenged him to. *Go to the online store and use the coupon raffofkahn for half price check-out.* I'm not a Modo user, nor have the time or inclination right now to become one. I'm not going to suddenly wish AD any ill or stop using their products, though they sure did their damnest to make me even more guarded when dealing with their PR and promises. I did really enjoy dealing with the Foundry in the past though, and I have now to extend that respect to its Luxology arm. At the very least they are willing to act transparently and unconditionally on matters all the way from the top of the product chain. Cheers, Raff P.S. The actual coupon's text was Brad's idea, not mine! I imagine he read my signature and thought I was a Trekkie or something like that. P.P.S. I'm not getting anything out of this. I'm not a modo user, I'm not getting freebies, it has nothing to do with my employer, what the hell, it barely has anything to do with me outside the last few hours and this e-mail itself. I simply thought it was a nice and significant gesture on Brad's side and decided to help him reach out on account of his personality and display of good will. -- Our users will know fear and cower before our software! Ship it! Ship it and let them flee like the dogs they are! -- gonebadfx.com - your source for bad fx --
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when was AD giving any roadmap at all??? committing you to pay subs without knowing at all what will you get next year. cat in the back. well we did know what they have on road map for SI.. end of the road... On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 4:49 PM, Chris Johnson chr...@topixfx.com wrote: Do they have a summary somewhere of the road map for the software? If your talking to Brad...thanks Tim! Also be nice if Autodesk gave us a roadmap for them so we're not all spinning our wheels. If MAX is dead in the next year be nice to know. Even if they were in development of some uber software...a general idea behind a release date? On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 10:46 AM, Tim Crowson tim.crow...@magneticdreams.com wrote: I've contacted Brad to try to find out what the deal will be, regarding 801. I'm not privvy to the release date, so I honestly don't know when that's coming. -Tim On 3/5/2014 8:44 AM, Maurício PC wrote: I'm willing to buy it, but I don't know if I should wait for Modo 801. Because to buy this and later have to spend more 500 USD to update will put a serious hole on my wallet. Does anybody knows if this purchase will lets us upgrade to 801 with a nice discount? :D Anyway ... Brad always seemed like a great guy and this is prove of that. On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 11:03 AM, Gerbrand Nel nagv...@gmail.com wrote: I love seeing gestures like this. Anyone know how long this discount is valid for. I'd like to try it for a bit before blindly spending, what is still allot of money, if you happen to live in Africa :) G On 2014/03/05 05:15 AM, Raffaele Fragapane wrote: Hi all, If you can't be bothered to read some text, the important bit is in bold a few paragraphs down. Now that the worst kept secret EVER has seen the sunlight, while everybody is still shell shocked, I think it's worth posting this. I'd like to say I'm surprised, or emotionally drained, but I'm actually barely upset. Writing's been on the wall for entirely too long. Deciding to not use Maya just because it's an AD product, at least for me, is like cutting one's own nose to spite the face; then in my domain (character work) Maya is too significant a player to just outright ignore it out of principle, not to mention I've been using it professionally or personally since v1. That said maybe some of you work in a different domain, and for you Modo, or Houdini, or C4D are a viable option. Coming from there, and more on topic, I have little faith in all these petitions, rage posts and the such, so I thought I'd start a different line of efforts to help a community I've been part of for Idon'twanttothinkhowlongitsscary. More on topic, if I had to find issue with this announcement and all it entails it's how badly it was managed and conceived. Not only it's an incredibly ponderous decision with inevitable gravity, it was also announced with barely any time to spare between its intended date and some hard dates on its effects. Of everything I heard and read insofar it's not so much the killing of Soft I find unacceptable (I guess I was well resigned in those regards, not that it doesn't sadden me enormously), as much as what picture it paints of AD customer management when they do such a thing, and proceed to aggravate the issue with nebulous information and an unacceptably short window of time for the user base to make some rather consequential decisions. But are the competitors any better? Any more accessible and transparent in their communication and dealings? Well, I was having an exchange in private with Brad Peebler, founder of Luxology, and I put to him whether the Foundry/Luxology would have the flexibility and agility to do something about short term. Turns out they do. In a few hours they set up everything for a *50% discount on Modo*purchases. No strings attached, just because I jokingly challenged him to. *Go to the online store and use the coupon raffofkahn for half price check-out.* I'm not a Modo user, nor have the time or inclination right now to become one. I'm not going to suddenly wish AD any ill or stop using their products, though they sure did their damnest to make me even more guarded when dealing with their PR and promises. I did really enjoy dealing with the Foundry in the past though, and I have now to extend that respect to its Luxology arm. At the very least they are willing to act transparently and unconditionally on matters all the way from the top of the product chain. Cheers, Raff P.S. The actual coupon's text was Brad's idea, not mine! I imagine he read my signature and thought I was a Trekkie or something like that. P.P.S. I'm not getting anything out of this. I'm not a modo user, I'm not getting freebies, it has nothing to do with my employer, what the hell, it barely has anything to do with me outside the last few hours and this e-mail itself. I simply thought it was a nice and significant gesture on
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I knowit was a question to know one and wishful thinking as most companies don't divulge this information until a siggraph and the actual release of something. Unfortunate... On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 11:00 AM, Mirko Jankovic mirkoj.anima...@gmail.comwrote: when was AD giving any roadmap at all??? committing you to pay subs without knowing at all what will you get next year. cat in the back. well we did know what they have on road map for SI.. end of the road... On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 4:49 PM, Chris Johnson chr...@topixfx.com wrote: Do they have a summary somewhere of the road map for the software? If your talking to Brad...thanks Tim! Also be nice if Autodesk gave us a roadmap for them so we're not all spinning our wheels. If MAX is dead in the next year be nice to know. Even if they were in development of some uber software...a general idea behind a release date? On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 10:46 AM, Tim Crowson tim.crow...@magneticdreams.com wrote: I've contacted Brad to try to find out what the deal will be, regarding 801. I'm not privvy to the release date, so I honestly don't know when that's coming. -Tim On 3/5/2014 8:44 AM, Maurício PC wrote: I'm willing to buy it, but I don't know if I should wait for Modo 801. Because to buy this and later have to spend more 500 USD to update will put a serious hole on my wallet. Does anybody knows if this purchase will lets us upgrade to 801 with a nice discount? :D Anyway ... Brad always seemed like a great guy and this is prove of that. On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 11:03 AM, Gerbrand Nel nagv...@gmail.com wrote: I love seeing gestures like this. Anyone know how long this discount is valid for. I'd like to try it for a bit before blindly spending, what is still allot of money, if you happen to live in Africa :) G On 2014/03/05 05:15 AM, Raffaele Fragapane wrote: Hi all, If you can't be bothered to read some text, the important bit is in bold a few paragraphs down. Now that the worst kept secret EVER has seen the sunlight, while everybody is still shell shocked, I think it's worth posting this. I'd like to say I'm surprised, or emotionally drained, but I'm actually barely upset. Writing's been on the wall for entirely too long. Deciding to not use Maya just because it's an AD product, at least for me, is like cutting one's own nose to spite the face; then in my domain (character work) Maya is too significant a player to just outright ignore it out of principle, not to mention I've been using it professionally or personally since v1. That said maybe some of you work in a different domain, and for you Modo, or Houdini, or C4D are a viable option. Coming from there, and more on topic, I have little faith in all these petitions, rage posts and the such, so I thought I'd start a different line of efforts to help a community I've been part of for Idon'twanttothinkhowlongitsscary. More on topic, if I had to find issue with this announcement and all it entails it's how badly it was managed and conceived. Not only it's an incredibly ponderous decision with inevitable gravity, it was also announced with barely any time to spare between its intended date and some hard dates on its effects. Of everything I heard and read insofar it's not so much the killing of Soft I find unacceptable (I guess I was well resigned in those regards, not that it doesn't sadden me enormously), as much as what picture it paints of AD customer management when they do such a thing, and proceed to aggravate the issue with nebulous information and an unacceptably short window of time for the user base to make some rather consequential decisions. But are the competitors any better? Any more accessible and transparent in their communication and dealings? Well, I was having an exchange in private with Brad Peebler, founder of Luxology, and I put to him whether the Foundry/Luxology would have the flexibility and agility to do something about short term. Turns out they do. In a few hours they set up everything for a *50% discount on Modo*purchases. No strings attached, just because I jokingly challenged him to. *Go to the online store and use the coupon raffofkahn for half price check-out.* I'm not a Modo user, nor have the time or inclination right now to become one. I'm not going to suddenly wish AD any ill or stop using their products, though they sure did their damnest to make me even more guarded when dealing with their PR and promises. I did really enjoy dealing with the Foundry in the past though, and I have now to extend that respect to its Luxology arm. At the very least they are willing to act transparently and unconditionally on matters all the way from the top of the product chain. Cheers, Raff P.S. The actual coupon's text was Brad's idea, not mine! I imagine he read my signature and thought I was a Trekkie or something like that. P.P.S. I'm not getting anything out
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A lot of these videos are either OLD or slightly on the marketing edge and they are not ordered, but many are still relevant and worth watching and all free. It's a bit like the VAST training or discs that use to come with XSI in the shoe box so many are very basic, and a few are slightly more enlightening: Those videos (and a few more) are sorted nicely here: http://eglomot.marc-albrecht.de/ Link to Foundry site version (less ordered) http://eglomot.marc-albrecht.de/ I can't speak for the MODO team really, but if I had to say what the roadmap was/is, it was to first get the basics in MODO in some form, then the focus was to be scalability, extensibility (SDK improvement etc.), performance on larger scenes and data sets, and stability (and obviously refinement of features already existing). I have a good feeling that 801 and on are going to be more and more focused on these latter parts as the main features are mostly fleshed out already. For a long while it seemed they talked about future plans to expand the role of the software, but IMHO, it didn't start to become how obvious they meant it until the 601-701 cycle. At least a lot of the basic guts are in a node based form of some kind or another- and more sandbox like than some. The schematic is an on going WIP, much of it is good and thought out, and it's the right template moving forward, but it needs feedback from a larger pool of users IMHO. Seriously, if even you only test it out for 15 days, your feedback as to what you like/want/need/hate is invaluable- so please let it be known on the forum or even here. On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 7:49 AM, Chris Johnson chr...@topixfx.com wrote: Do they have a summary somewhere of the road map for the software? If your talking to Brad...thanks Tim! Also be nice if Autodesk gave us a roadmap for them so we're not all spinning our wheels. If MAX is dead in the next year be nice to know. Even if they were in development of some uber software...a general idea behind a release date? On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 10:46 AM, Tim Crowson tim.crow...@magneticdreams.com wrote: I've contacted Brad to try to find out what the deal will be, regarding 801. I'm not privvy to the release date, so I honestly don't know when that's coming. -Tim On 3/5/2014 8:44 AM, Maurício PC wrote: I'm willing to buy it, but I don't know if I should wait for Modo 801. Because to buy this and later have to spend more 500 USD to update will put a serious hole on my wallet. Does anybody knows if this purchase will lets us upgrade to 801 with a nice discount? :D Anyway ... Brad always seemed like a great guy and this is prove of that. On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 11:03 AM, Gerbrand Nel nagv...@gmail.com wrote: I love seeing gestures like this. Anyone know how long this discount is valid for. I'd like to try it for a bit before blindly spending, what is still allot of money, if you happen to live in Africa :) G On 2014/03/05 05:15 AM, Raffaele Fragapane wrote: Hi all, If you can't be bothered to read some text, the important bit is in bold a few paragraphs down. Now that the worst kept secret EVER has seen the sunlight, while everybody is still shell shocked, I think it's worth posting this. I'd like to say I'm surprised, or emotionally drained, but I'm actually barely upset. Writing's been on the wall for entirely too long. Deciding to not use Maya just because it's an AD product, at least for me, is like cutting one's own nose to spite the face; then in my domain (character work) Maya is too significant a player to just outright ignore it out of principle, not to mention I've been using it professionally or personally since v1. That said maybe some of you work in a different domain, and for you Modo, or Houdini, or C4D are a viable option. Coming from there, and more on topic, I have little faith in all these petitions, rage posts and the such, so I thought I'd start a different line of efforts to help a community I've been part of for Idon'twanttothinkhowlongitsscary. More on topic, if I had to find issue with this announcement and all it entails it's how badly it was managed and conceived. Not only it's an incredibly ponderous decision with inevitable gravity, it was also announced with barely any time to spare between its intended date and some hard dates on its effects. Of everything I heard and read insofar it's not so much the killing of Soft I find unacceptable (I guess I was well resigned in those regards, not that it doesn't sadden me enormously), as much as what picture it paints of AD customer management when they do such a thing, and proceed to aggravate the issue with nebulous information and an unacceptably short window of time for the user base to make some rather consequential decisions. But are the competitors any better? Any more accessible and transparent in their communication and dealings? Well, I was having an exchange in private with Brad
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Keep in mind that while companies don't like to divulge things until near or know for release, companies that are not traded openly on the stock markets are a little more free with their info (good or bad). One good reason to take a look at the Foundry and SideFXs products AFAIK. On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 8:08 AM, Chris Johnson chr...@topixfx.com wrote: I knowit was a question to know one and wishful thinking as most companies don't divulge this information until a siggraph and the actual release of something. Unfortunate... On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 11:00 AM, Mirko Jankovic mirkoj.anima...@gmail.com wrote: when was AD giving any roadmap at all??? committing you to pay subs without knowing at all what will you get next year. cat in the back. well we did know what they have on road map for SI.. end of the road... On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 4:49 PM, Chris Johnson chr...@topixfx.com wrote: Do they have a summary somewhere of the road map for the software? If your talking to Brad...thanks Tim! Also be nice if Autodesk gave us a roadmap for them so we're not all spinning our wheels. If MAX is dead in the next year be nice to know. Even if they were in development of some uber software...a general idea behind a release date? On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 10:46 AM, Tim Crowson tim.crow...@magneticdreams.com wrote: I've contacted Brad to try to find out what the deal will be, regarding 801. I'm not privvy to the release date, so I honestly don't know when that's coming. -Tim On 3/5/2014 8:44 AM, Maurício PC wrote: I'm willing to buy it, but I don't know if I should wait for Modo 801. Because to buy this and later have to spend more 500 USD to update will put a serious hole on my wallet. Does anybody knows if this purchase will lets us upgrade to 801 with a nice discount? :D Anyway ... Brad always seemed like a great guy and this is prove of that. On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 11:03 AM, Gerbrand Nel nagv...@gmail.comwrote: I love seeing gestures like this. Anyone know how long this discount is valid for. I'd like to try it for a bit before blindly spending, what is still allot of money, if you happen to live in Africa :) G On 2014/03/05 05:15 AM, Raffaele Fragapane wrote: Hi all, If you can't be bothered to read some text, the important bit is in bold a few paragraphs down. Now that the worst kept secret EVER has seen the sunlight, while everybody is still shell shocked, I think it's worth posting this. I'd like to say I'm surprised, or emotionally drained, but I'm actually barely upset. Writing's been on the wall for entirely too long. Deciding to not use Maya just because it's an AD product, at least for me, is like cutting one's own nose to spite the face; then in my domain (character work) Maya is too significant a player to just outright ignore it out of principle, not to mention I've been using it professionally or personally since v1. That said maybe some of you work in a different domain, and for you Modo, or Houdini, or C4D are a viable option. Coming from there, and more on topic, I have little faith in all these petitions, rage posts and the such, so I thought I'd start a different line of efforts to help a community I've been part of for Idon'twanttothinkhowlongitsscary. More on topic, if I had to find issue with this announcement and all it entails it's how badly it was managed and conceived. Not only it's an incredibly ponderous decision with inevitable gravity, it was also announced with barely any time to spare between its intended date and some hard dates on its effects. Of everything I heard and read insofar it's not so much the killing of Soft I find unacceptable (I guess I was well resigned in those regards, not that it doesn't sadden me enormously), as much as what picture it paints of AD customer management when they do such a thing, and proceed to aggravate the issue with nebulous information and an unacceptably short window of time for the user base to make some rather consequential decisions. But are the competitors any better? Any more accessible and transparent in their communication and dealings? Well, I was having an exchange in private with Brad Peebler, founder of Luxology, and I put to him whether the Foundry/Luxology would have the flexibility and agility to do something about short term. Turns out they do. In a few hours they set up everything for a *50% discount on Modo*purchases. No strings attached, just because I jokingly challenged him to. *Go to the online store and use the coupon raffofkahn for half price check-out.* I'm not a Modo user, nor have the time or inclination right now to become one. I'm not going to suddenly wish AD any ill or stop using their products, though they sure did their damnest to make me even more guarded when dealing with their PR and promises. I did really enjoy dealing with the Foundry in the past though, and I have now to extend
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Concerning a Modo roadmap, I couldn't share any specifics even if I had them (I don't anyway). I know generally that performance and scalability are way high up on the priority list. If they're not exactly #1, they've gotta be close to it. I think they really do realize the serious obstacles presented by Modo's current trouble with deformer speed, weight-painting speed, etc. The viewport can actually handle a ton of polys really well, by most accounts superior to what Maya can do, but deformers seem to give the GL redraw some trouble. This is a known issue for sure, and the Modo devs are well aware of it. I have definitely been encouraged by the last two releases of Modo. 601 and 701 really hit some home runs. You can't put everything that everyone wants into a single release, but they've got a great track record, especially over the last 2-3 years, of making some real power plays with their upgrades. It's all relative to what your needs are in your particular corner of CG, naturally, but it's an upward trend, and one which will continue with 801 ;-) Softimage and Modo have been two favorite apps to run on my workstation over the last several years, hands down. I see some interesting similarities when I compare the philosophies that drove their respective designs. If we could get Redshift in Modo oh man -Tim On 3/5/2014 10:00 AM, Mirko Jankovic wrote: when was AD giving any roadmap at all??? committing you to pay subs without knowing at all what will you get next year. cat in the back. well we did know what they have on road map for SI.. end of the road... On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 4:49 PM, Chris Johnson chr...@topixfx.com mailto:chr...@topixfx.com wrote: Do they have a summary somewhere of the road map for the software? If your talking to Brad...thanks Tim! Also be nice if Autodesk gave us a roadmap for them so we're not all spinning our wheels. If MAX is dead in the next year be nice to know. Even if they were in development of some uber software...a general idea behind a release date? On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 10:46 AM, Tim Crowson tim.crow...@magneticdreams.com mailto:tim.crow...@magneticdreams.com wrote: I've contacted Brad to try to find out what the deal will be, regarding 801. I'm not privvy to the release date, so I honestly don't know when that's coming. -Tim On 3/5/2014 8:44 AM, Maurício PC wrote: I'm willing to buy it, but I don't know if I should wait for Modo 801. Because to buy this and later have to spend more 500 USD to update will put a serious hole on my wallet. Does anybody knows if this purchase will lets us upgrade to 801 with a nice discount? :D Anyway ... Brad always seemed like a great guy and this is prove of that. On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 11:03 AM, Gerbrand Nel nagv...@gmail.com mailto:nagv...@gmail.com wrote: I love seeing gestures like this. Anyone know how long this discount is valid for. I'd like to try it for a bit before blindly spending, what is still allot of money, if you happen to live in Africa :) G On 2014/03/05 05:15 AM, Raffaele Fragapane wrote: Hi all, If you can't be bothered to read some text, the important bit is in bold a few paragraphs down. Now that the worst kept secret EVER has seen the sunlight, while everybody is still shell shocked, I think it's worth posting this. I'd like to say I'm surprised, or emotionally drained, but I'm actually barely upset. Writing's been on the wall for entirely too long. Deciding to not use Maya just because it's an AD product, at least for me, is like cutting one's own nose to spite the face; then in my domain (character work) Maya is too significant a player to just outright ignore it out of principle, not to mention I've been using it professionally or personally since v1. That said maybe some of you work in a different domain, and for you Modo, or Houdini, or C4D are a viable option. Coming from there, and more on topic, I have little faith in all these petitions, rage posts and the such, so I thought I'd start a different line of efforts to help a community I've been part of for Idon'twanttothinkhowlongitsscary. More on topic, if I had to find issue with this announcement and all it entails it's how badly it was managed and conceived. Not only it's an incredibly ponderous decision with inevitable gravity, it was also announced with barely any time to spare between its intended date and some
Re: Luxology Modo 50% off for this mailing list
I like modo, i really do, but i just can't wrap my head around the idea of a modeling application becoming an allrounder. I think tremendous rnd effort will be required from the dev team to get it even close to where xsi is right now, taking a lot of years in the process. And i'm not sure they have those kinds of resources at their disposal. For that reason, i think sidefx has a better chance of making houdini's workflow (emphasis here on rigging and animation) a lot smoother and appealing to artists, than modo has of getting to that level of consistent complexity. And consistency across the board is key here. Then again, i might be way off with my thinking Just my 2 cents, Peace, Octav On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 6:18 PM, Tim Crowson tim.crow...@magneticdreams.comwrote: Concerning a Modo roadmap, I couldn't share any specifics even if I had them (I don't anyway). I know generally that performance and scalability are way high up on the priority list. If they're not exactly #1, they've gotta be close to it. I think they really do realize the serious obstacles presented by Modo's current trouble with deformer speed, weight-painting speed, etc. The viewport can actually handle a ton of polys really well, by most accounts superior to what Maya can do, but deformers seem to give the GL redraw some trouble. This is a known issue for sure, and the Modo devs are well aware of it. I have definitely been encouraged by the last two releases of Modo. 601 and 701 really hit some home runs. You can't put everything that everyone wants into a single release, but they've got a great track record, especially over the last 2-3 years, of making some real power plays with their upgrades. It's all relative to what your needs are in your particular corner of CG, naturally, but it's an upward trend, and one which will continue with 801 ;-) Softimage and Modo have been two favorite apps to run on my workstation over the last several years, hands down. I see some interesting similarities when I compare the philosophies that drove their respective designs. If we could get Redshift in Modo oh man -Tim On 3/5/2014 10:00 AM, Mirko Jankovic wrote: when was AD giving any roadmap at all??? committing you to pay subs without knowing at all what will you get next year. cat in the back. well we did know what they have on road map for SI.. end of the road... On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 4:49 PM, Chris Johnson chr...@topixfx.com wrote: Do they have a summary somewhere of the road map for the software? If your talking to Brad...thanks Tim! Also be nice if Autodesk gave us a roadmap for them so we're not all spinning our wheels. If MAX is dead in the next year be nice to know. Even if they were in development of some uber software...a general idea behind a release date? On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 10:46 AM, Tim Crowson tim.crow...@magneticdreams.com wrote: I've contacted Brad to try to find out what the deal will be, regarding 801. I'm not privvy to the release date, so I honestly don't know when that's coming. -Tim On 3/5/2014 8:44 AM, Maurício PC wrote: I'm willing to buy it, but I don't know if I should wait for Modo 801. Because to buy this and later have to spend more 500 USD to update will put a serious hole on my wallet. Does anybody knows if this purchase will lets us upgrade to 801 with a nice discount? :D Anyway ... Brad always seemed like a great guy and this is prove of that. On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 11:03 AM, Gerbrand Nel nagv...@gmail.com wrote: I love seeing gestures like this. Anyone know how long this discount is valid for. I'd like to try it for a bit before blindly spending, what is still allot of money, if you happen to live in Africa :) G On 2014/03/05 05:15 AM, Raffaele Fragapane wrote: Hi all, If you can't be bothered to read some text, the important bit is in bold a few paragraphs down. Now that the worst kept secret EVER has seen the sunlight, while everybody is still shell shocked, I think it's worth posting this. I'd like to say I'm surprised, or emotionally drained, but I'm actually barely upset. Writing's been on the wall for entirely too long. Deciding to not use Maya just because it's an AD product, at least for me, is like cutting one's own nose to spite the face; then in my domain (character work) Maya is too significant a player to just outright ignore it out of principle, not to mention I've been using it professionally or personally since v1. That said maybe some of you work in a different domain, and for you Modo, or Houdini, or C4D are a viable option. Coming from there, and more on topic, I have little faith in all these petitions, rage posts and the such, so I thought I'd start a different line of efforts to help a community I've been part of for Idon'twanttothinkhowlongitsscary. More on topic, if I had to find issue with this announcement and all it entails it's how badly it was
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After spending a year working in Houdini I'm not sure sideFX can do that make it more artist friendly. Have you ever tried modelling something in there or even unwrapping it. Feck. For years there has been a push for side FX to make the software more artist friendly...and it just never gets there. Why do I have to put expressions in to do light inclusion/exclusion? I am not a technical person and I found Houdini incredibly aggravating to work with. It has some really nice things going for it and I see the advantages from a technical/FX stand point. But to become a tool I can quickly crank some style frames out of...never happen. I'd go to C4D before using Houdini for that stuff. I'm with Timyou get Redshift over into Modo...I think that's going somewhere. It would be easier to develop Modo going forward then to backwards engineer HoudiniI think. On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 11:38 AM, Octavian Ureche okt...@gmail.com wrote: I like modo, i really do, but i just can't wrap my head around the idea of a modeling application becoming an allrounder. I think tremendous rnd effort will be required from the dev team to get it even close to where xsi is right now, taking a lot of years in the process. And i'm not sure they have those kinds of resources at their disposal. For that reason, i think sidefx has a better chance of making houdini's workflow (emphasis here on rigging and animation) a lot smoother and appealing to artists, than modo has of getting to that level of consistent complexity. And consistency across the board is key here. Then again, i might be way off with my thinking Just my 2 cents, Peace, Octav On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 6:18 PM, Tim Crowson tim.crow...@magneticdreams.com wrote: Concerning a Modo roadmap, I couldn't share any specifics even if I had them (I don't anyway). I know generally that performance and scalability are way high up on the priority list. If they're not exactly #1, they've gotta be close to it. I think they really do realize the serious obstacles presented by Modo's current trouble with deformer speed, weight-painting speed, etc. The viewport can actually handle a ton of polys really well, by most accounts superior to what Maya can do, but deformers seem to give the GL redraw some trouble. This is a known issue for sure, and the Modo devs are well aware of it. I have definitely been encouraged by the last two releases of Modo. 601 and 701 really hit some home runs. You can't put everything that everyone wants into a single release, but they've got a great track record, especially over the last 2-3 years, of making some real power plays with their upgrades. It's all relative to what your needs are in your particular corner of CG, naturally, but it's an upward trend, and one which will continue with 801 ;-) Softimage and Modo have been two favorite apps to run on my workstation over the last several years, hands down. I see some interesting similarities when I compare the philosophies that drove their respective designs. If we could get Redshift in Modo oh man -Tim On 3/5/2014 10:00 AM, Mirko Jankovic wrote: when was AD giving any roadmap at all??? committing you to pay subs without knowing at all what will you get next year. cat in the back. well we did know what they have on road map for SI.. end of the road... On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 4:49 PM, Chris Johnson chr...@topixfx.com wrote: Do they have a summary somewhere of the road map for the software? If your talking to Brad...thanks Tim! Also be nice if Autodesk gave us a roadmap for them so we're not all spinning our wheels. If MAX is dead in the next year be nice to know. Even if they were in development of some uber software...a general idea behind a release date? On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 10:46 AM, Tim Crowson tim.crow...@magneticdreams.com wrote: I've contacted Brad to try to find out what the deal will be, regarding 801. I'm not privvy to the release date, so I honestly don't know when that's coming. -Tim On 3/5/2014 8:44 AM, Maurício PC wrote: I'm willing to buy it, but I don't know if I should wait for Modo 801. Because to buy this and later have to spend more 500 USD to update will put a serious hole on my wallet. Does anybody knows if this purchase will lets us upgrade to 801 with a nice discount? :D Anyway ... Brad always seemed like a great guy and this is prove of that. On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 11:03 AM, Gerbrand Nel nagv...@gmail.comwrote: I love seeing gestures like this. Anyone know how long this discount is valid for. I'd like to try it for a bit before blindly spending, what is still allot of money, if you happen to live in Africa :) G On 2014/03/05 05:15 AM, Raffaele Fragapane wrote: Hi all, If you can't be bothered to read some text, the important bit is in bold a few paragraphs down. Now that the worst kept secret EVER has seen the sunlight, while everybody is still shell
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Chris, you might be right. I worked about a full year in houdini doing things i should have done in xsi, and it was a bloody pain. I tried to model a phone once and that was before the shelf existed. For every surface operation i did, i had to throw down a node in the graph. After 2 days, i just went home and did it all in xsi, in about 3 hours. So i understand where you're coming from. I am not a fan of houdini's workflow when it comes to stuff i usually did in xsi. I definitely understand its potential for handling complexity, but as a good friend and collaborator of mine was saying today, it is a perverse little piece of software, and i will explain why. He said that its procedural paradigm works so well, that even for an artist like him (and he is the least technical guy i know), it became fascinating to hook things together and just find your way through the logical maze. So he was saying, that in that sense, this kind of workflow has a way of drawing you in and making you forget the big picture at times. I stood near houdini people and watched them completely lose focus on the end result, just hooking shit up just for the sake of finding a procedural solution, sometimes a multitude of solutions, almost obsessively, to stuff i was able to do in a quarter of that time in xsi, non procedurally of course. But the client never cared. So in that sense, i agree, that it is hard to impossible for houdini to reach that level of abstraction in which it is able to retain its procedural paradigm, but make things flow smoothly on the surface and make the user forget about all the things that happen behind the curtains. I would also like to add blender to this list, which i've been keeping an eye out for some time, and they have made great strides with the app. Though open source tools never feel as polished as their commercial counterparts, but that's a whole other topic. On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 6:56 PM, Chris Johnson chr...@topixfx.com wrote: After spending a year working in Houdini I'm not sure sideFX can do that make it more artist friendly. Have you ever tried modelling something in there or even unwrapping it. Feck. For years there has been a push for side FX to make the software more artist friendly...and it just never gets there. Why do I have to put expressions in to do light inclusion/exclusion? I am not a technical person and I found Houdini incredibly aggravating to work with. It has some really nice things going for it and I see the advantages from a technical/FX stand point. But to become a tool I can quickly crank some style frames out of...never happen. I'd go to C4D before using Houdini for that stuff. I'm with Timyou get Redshift over into Modo...I think that's going somewhere. It would be easier to develop Modo going forward then to backwards engineer HoudiniI think. On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 11:38 AM, Octavian Ureche okt...@gmail.com wrote: I like modo, i really do, but i just can't wrap my head around the idea of a modeling application becoming an allrounder. I think tremendous rnd effort will be required from the dev team to get it even close to where xsi is right now, taking a lot of years in the process. And i'm not sure they have those kinds of resources at their disposal. For that reason, i think sidefx has a better chance of making houdini's workflow (emphasis here on rigging and animation) a lot smoother and appealing to artists, than modo has of getting to that level of consistent complexity. And consistency across the board is key here. Then again, i might be way off with my thinking Just my 2 cents, Peace, Octav On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 6:18 PM, Tim Crowson tim.crow...@magneticdreams.com wrote: Concerning a Modo roadmap, I couldn't share any specifics even if I had them (I don't anyway). I know generally that performance and scalability are way high up on the priority list. If they're not exactly #1, they've gotta be close to it. I think they really do realize the serious obstacles presented by Modo's current trouble with deformer speed, weight-painting speed, etc. The viewport can actually handle a ton of polys really well, by most accounts superior to what Maya can do, but deformers seem to give the GL redraw some trouble. This is a known issue for sure, and the Modo devs are well aware of it. I have definitely been encouraged by the last two releases of Modo. 601 and 701 really hit some home runs. You can't put everything that everyone wants into a single release, but they've got a great track record, especially over the last 2-3 years, of making some real power plays with their upgrades. It's all relative to what your needs are in your particular corner of CG, naturally, but it's an upward trend, and one which will continue with 801 ;-) Softimage and Modo have been two favorite apps to run on my workstation over the last several years, hands down. I see some interesting similarities when I compare the
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Octavian - a couple of things: MODO, as a public application, started with a modeling feature set, BUT, the frame work Nexus was made well before to be scalable since the idea all along was to create a full featured application. The reason that they started with modeling from what I can tell, then rendering, was because they needed to A) start somewhere they had expertise in and B) saw a niche that was not being met well by many other applications- namely a very good modeling tool set that would quickly have an intuitive rendering/shading system that was affordable. Otherwise they were going to come out with one large tool, that took 12years to make, that was a maya wannabe- and would be understandably panned. Why spend 3K on something that looks like Maya when Maya already works? Anyone who knows SI history gets how painful it can be to have a superior app bogged down by long dev time get over taken by something inferior because it fills the gap move quickly. AKA Maya vs. XSI during the SI dev gap. So this was a marketing/biz move as much as a functional one AFAIK- make a product for the niche of designer and viz folks as well as those who want a better modeling solution working in games and film (this is way before graphite etc.) that was intuitive and easy to use. Grow in that market, make a name that way, grow funds for further dev, and then start to reveal additional features based on the Nexus frame work as the user base and needs grew. The only thing I have to ask of you is to please stop referring to MODO as if it is Silo with some Max like bolting on happening. I'm not defending the software- it has short comings and is not going to replace SI in it's current state esp. if what you love most about SI came after the 7 cycle. It has a lot to love about it, but a fair share of things to be improved (thankfully they are), but it's not some ill conceived, mutant modeler on steroids either. I can see why you would think of it that way though, because from the outside that is what it has represented to many studios. I see it like how SI is now thought of as ICE. Yes...it's probably one of the top features of SI, but it lead a lot of people (no thanks to AD marketing) to think that's all SI was good for. Those of us using it before the 7 cycle know that much of SI and the general work flow kicked some serious ass before that. SI had short comings, but day do day work flow for the average user was IMHO a joy. Many of those things are harder to market other than by word of mouth. So now SI=ICE which is a shame since years of dev show it's so much more than that. If all SI is/was is ICE, then I think there would be fewer tears in this list and more people just saying F*it I'm going to use Houdini. So yes, to those outside for what ever reason MODO is that modeling app thingy, but just like SI is more than ICE, MODO is more than modeling, even if that is what many people still find it does best. They biggest part I'd have to say that MODO and SI share in common is a desire to have the experience of using the software day to day be a good one- the over all work flow, vs. just slamming in features and bolting them on. I'm not saying this is a 1:1 match up, but it feels more so than say comparing Maya to SI, or even Houdini to SI. On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 9:12 AM, Octavian Ureche okt...@gmail.com wrote: Chris, you might be right. I worked about a full year in houdini doing things i should have done in xsi, and it was a bloody pain. I tried to model a phone once and that was before the shelf existed. For every surface operation i did, i had to throw down a node in the graph. After 2 days, i just went home and did it all in xsi, in about 3 hours. So i understand where you're coming from. I am not a fan of houdini's workflow when it comes to stuff i usually did in xsi. I definitely understand its potential for handling complexity, but as a good friend and collaborator of mine was saying today, it is a perverse little piece of software, and i will explain why. He said that its procedural paradigm works so well, that even for an artist like him (and he is the least technical guy i know), it became fascinating to hook things together and just find your way through the logical maze. So he was saying, that in that sense, this kind of workflow has a way of drawing you in and making you forget the big picture at times. I stood near houdini people and watched them completely lose focus on the end result, just hooking shit up just for the sake of finding a procedural solution, sometimes a multitude of solutions, almost obsessively, to stuff i was able to do in a quarter of that time in xsi, non procedurally of course. But the client never cared. So in that sense, i agree, that it is hard to impossible for houdini to reach that level of abstraction in which it is able to retain its procedural paradigm, but make things flow smoothly on the surface and make the user forget about all the
Re: Luxology Modo 50% off for this mailing list: UPDATE!
So here's an update from Brad concerning the coupon code for Modo... The intent of the code was for this list as a sympathetic gesture. The code has since been posted on CGSociety. Now that it's out in the wild, Brad is concerned that the original intent of the code is getting lost the further out it travels. As such, he has let us know that */he plans to turn off the code in a few hours/*. Meanwhile, anyone here who decides they are interested can email him directly and he will work with you: b...@luxology.com. As for upgrades to 801... he says this: / / /1. This price does not include maintenance. Mainly because we don't have an official maintenance for modo. MODO users get service packs (bug fixes not new features) for free for the duration of that major release./ /2. When we release an upgrade we price protect 30 days back for new purchasers./ /3. We do not have an official release date on 801 but I can say it is unlikely that it would be within 30 days./ /4. Upgrades usually price at $495 (and we often discount that the first couple weeks) so even buying with the promo code and then paying for an upgrade the price is well below list for a single seat.// // As you know, I always try to make right by people. If we release 801 just outside the 30-day back support and someone really really feels like we cheated them they can call me. I'll work it out. -Brad // /
Re: Luxology Modo 50% off for this mailing list: UPDATE!
Thx for the update Tim, I was already wondering how they'd distinguish between people from this list using the code, and others... :-) So here's an update from Brad concerning the coupon code for Modo... The intent of the code was for this list as a sympathetic gesture. The code has since been posted on CGSociety. Now that it's out in the wild, Brad is concerned that the original intent of the code is getting lost the further out it travels. As such, he has let us know that he plans to turn off the code in a few hours. Meanwhile, anyone here who decides they are interested can email him directly and he will work with you: b...@luxology.com. As for upgrades to 801... he says this: "1. This price does not include maintenance. Mainly because we don't have an official maintenance for modo. MODO users get service packs (bug fixes not new features) for free for the duration of that major release. 2. When we release an upgrade we price protect 30 days back for new purchasers. 3. We do not have an official release date on 801 but I can say it is unlikely that it would be within 30 days. 4. Upgrades usually price at $495 (and we often discount that the first couple weeks) so even buying with the promo code and then paying for an upgrade the price is well below list for a single seat. As you know, I always try to make right by people. If we release 801 just outside the 30-day back support and someone really really feels like we cheated them they can call me. I'll work it out. -Brad" -- --- Stefan Kubicek--- keyvis digital imagery Alfred Feierfeilstraße 3 A-2380 Perchtoldsdorf bei Wien Phone:+43/699/12614231 www.keyvis.at ste...@keyvis.at-- This email and its attachments are confidential and for the recipient only--
Re: Luxology Modo 50% off for this mailing list: UPDATE!
There was never an expiration date or some intended strict rule around it. The hope was it'd have stayed up for a while longer than this to be honest, but within eight hours it had made it to web forums, tweets and all, and if it goes that viral that quick then it completely loses its meaning as a gesture and it just becomes a bandwagon for everybody to get the software cheaper. Still, if anybody has any interest just download and try the demo for what you feel is a fair amount of time, and if you decide you like it just get in touch with Brad directly and I'd imagine within the month he'll still be able to do something about it if the name comes from this list or XSI in general. After all the point was never to save a few bucks, it was to make a public display of how some software houses are less corporate and more agile than AD has decided to configure themselves with this massive EOL blunder (less than a month for someone to decide whether to move to another app and timebomb their license or stick to a fully priced corpse of a release? Really?). It'll be up to Lux/Foundry to decide and show to what extent, within reason, they decide to make a private display of the above to those who get in touch. I'm Bccing Brad to this e-mail, and I think he's kept an eye on the Google Group posts, just so he knows what's going on. All in all it made some ripples and the response seems to have been overwhelmingly positive, which was the point of me sticking my neck out in first place, and the code going viral wasn't unexpected, just a lot quicker than I was hoping it would have taken. On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 8:30 AM, Stefan Kubicek s...@tidbit-images.com wrote: Thx for the update Tim, I was already wondering how they'd distinguish between people from this list using the code, and others... :-) So here's an update from Brad concerning the coupon code for Modo... The intent of the code was for this list as a sympathetic gesture. The code has since been posted on CGSociety. Now that it's out in the wild, Brad is concerned that the original intent of the code is getting lost the further out it travels. As such, he has let us know that *he plans to turn off the code in a few hours*. Meanwhile, anyone here who decides they are interested can email him directly and he will work with you: b...@luxology.com. As for upgrades to 801... he says this: *1. This price does not include maintenance. Mainly because we don't have an official maintenance for modo. MODO users get service packs (bug fixes not new features) for free for the duration of that major release.* *2. When we release an upgrade we price protect 30 days back for new purchasers.* *3. We do not have an official release date on 801 but I can say it is unlikely that it would be within 30 days.* *4. Upgrades usually price at $495 (and we often discount that the first couple weeks) so even buying with the promo code and then paying for an upgrade the price is well below list for a single seat.* * As you know, I always try to make right by people. If we release 801 just outside the 30-day back support and someone really really feels like we cheated them they can call me. I'll work it out. -Brad * -- --- Stefan Kubicek --- keyvis digital imagery Alfred Feierfeilstraße 3 A-2380 Perchtoldsdorf bei Wien Phone: +43/699/12614231 www.keyvis.at ste...@keyvis.at -- This email and its attachments are -- --confidential and for the recipient only-- -- Our users will know fear and cower before our software! Ship it! Ship it and let them flee like the dogs they are!
RE: Luxology Modo 50% off for this mailing list
Brad Peebler is a good guy and that's a very generous offer they have, but I just don't feel that Modo is a professional quality product. It's got a lot of improvements over Lightwave, but again, it has all the same weaknesses and they have made all the same mistakes they made when they developed lightwave. It's still a modeling tool that has had animation tacked on, they did it better this time than with lightwave and it's all one program, but I'm just not impressed with how it all came together. I still feel the interface is as complete mess, which was one of the biggest problems with Lightwave. Even at 50% off, I just don't feel Modo would be worth the price. Softimage has spoiled me with its interface and workflow and it is going to be very difficult for me to find something to replace it with. From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Raffaele Fragapane Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 7:51 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Luxology Modo 50% off for this mailing list Personally I find the offer monetary value itself barely relevant. Let me explain: It's more the fact a person as highly positioned as him keeps in touch with people who have hardly anything to do with his products and is wiling to jump a whole chain of decision makers and bureaucracy to make something happen in a few hours that matters to me. If it saves you a few hundred bucks that's a bonus for sure :) BTW apparently it's the community store or something like that that should be used at: http://community.thefoundry.co.uk/store/modo/ Some other store locations might not accept coupons. On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 2:45 PM, nick name creator3dstu...@gmail.com wrote: You'd never see such a gesture from Adsk. On the other hand I think it's a bit too early for this offer for most Softimage users to make a jump in one direction or another. Not saying that there won't be a few that will want to score this opportunity, so... yeah, it's a lot better than nothing.
Re: Luxology Modo 50% off for this mailing list
That's really generous of Brad, and frankly reflects the artist-centric and artist-friendly attitude I've experienced first-hand when dealing with them or the Foundry in general. Modo is not there yet as a full package, and primarily lacks in raw performance and reliability. But I think they know what they need to do. Mad props and more power to The Foundry. -Tim On 3/4/2014 9:15 PM, Raffaele Fragapane wrote: Hi all, If you can't be bothered to read some text, the important bit is in bold a few paragraphs down. Now that the worst kept secret EVER has seen the sunlight, while everybody is still shell shocked, I think it's worth posting this. I'd like to say I'm surprised, or emotionally drained, but I'm actually barely upset. Writing's been on the wall for entirely too long. Deciding to not use Maya just because it's an AD product, at least for me, is like cutting one's own nose to spite the face; then in my domain (character work) Maya is too significant a player to just outright ignore it out of principle, not to mention I've been using it professionally or personally since v1. That said maybe some of you work in a different domain, and for you Modo, or Houdini, or C4D are a viable option. Coming from there, and more on topic, I have little faith in all these petitions, rage posts and the such, so I thought I'd start a different line of efforts to help a community I've been part of for Idon'twanttothinkhowlongitsscary. More on topic, if I had to find issue with this announcement and all it entails it's how badly it was managed and conceived. Not only it's an incredibly ponderous decision with inevitable gravity, it was also announced with barely any time to spare between its intended date and some hard dates on its effects. Of everything I heard and read insofar it's not so much the killing of Soft I find unacceptable (I guess I was well resigned in those regards, not that it doesn't sadden me enormously), as much as what picture it paints of AD customer management when they do such a thing, and proceed to aggravate the issue with nebulous information and an unacceptably short window of time for the user base to make some rather consequential decisions. But are the competitors any better? Any more accessible and transparent in their communication and dealings? Well, I was having an exchange in private with Brad Peebler, founder of Luxology, and I put to him whether the Foundry/Luxology would have the flexibility and agility to do something about short term. Turns out they do. In a few hours they set up everything for a *50% discount on Modo* purchases. No strings attached, just because I jokingly challenged him to. *Go to the online store and use the coupon raffofkahn for half price check-out.* I'm not a Modo user, nor have the time or inclination right now to become one. I'm not going to suddenly wish AD any ill or stop using their products, though they sure did their damnest to make me even more guarded when dealing with their PR and promises. I did really enjoy dealing with the Foundry in the past though, and I have now to extend that respect to its Luxology arm. At the very least they are willing to act transparently and unconditionally on matters all the way from the top of the product chain. Cheers, Raff P.S. The actual coupon's text was Brad's idea, not mine! I imagine he read my signature and thought I was a Trekkie or something like that. P.P.S. I'm not getting anything out of this. I'm not a modo user, I'm not getting freebies, it has nothing to do with my employer, what the hell, it barely has anything to do with me outside the last few hours and this e-mail itself. I simply thought it was a nice and significant gesture on Brad's side and decided to help him reach out on account of his personality and display of good will. -- Our users will know fear and cower before our software! Ship it! Ship it and let them flee like the dogs they are! -- Signature
Re: Luxology Modo 50% off for this mailing list
I need to qualify what I mean here... I realize that he's making an offer as a reaction to a galvanizing event. But I have seen this same type of generosity one more than occasion from The Foundry when no such event was occurring. -Tim On 3/4/2014 9:30 PM, Tim Crowson wrote: That's really generous of Brad, and frankly reflects the artist-centric and artist-friendly attitude I've experienced first-hand when dealing with them or the Foundry in general. Modo is not there yet as a full package, and primarily lacks in raw performance and reliability. But I think they know what they need to do. Mad props and more power to The Foundry. -Tim On 3/4/2014 9:15 PM, Raffaele Fragapane wrote: Hi all, If you can't be bothered to read some text, the important bit is in bold a few paragraphs down. Now that the worst kept secret EVER has seen the sunlight, while everybody is still shell shocked, I think it's worth posting this. I'd like to say I'm surprised, or emotionally drained, but I'm actually barely upset. Writing's been on the wall for entirely too long. Deciding to not use Maya just because it's an AD product, at least for me, is like cutting one's own nose to spite the face; then in my domain (character work) Maya is too significant a player to just outright ignore it out of principle, not to mention I've been using it professionally or personally since v1. That said maybe some of you work in a different domain, and for you Modo, or Houdini, or C4D are a viable option. Coming from there, and more on topic, I have little faith in all these petitions, rage posts and the such, so I thought I'd start a different line of efforts to help a community I've been part of for Idon'twanttothinkhowlongitsscary. More on topic, if I had to find issue with this announcement and all it entails it's how badly it was managed and conceived. Not only it's an incredibly ponderous decision with inevitable gravity, it was also announced with barely any time to spare between its intended date and some hard dates on its effects. Of everything I heard and read insofar it's not so much the killing of Soft I find unacceptable (I guess I was well resigned in those regards, not that it doesn't sadden me enormously), as much as what picture it paints of AD customer management when they do such a thing, and proceed to aggravate the issue with nebulous information and an unacceptably short window of time for the user base to make some rather consequential decisions. But are the competitors any better? Any more accessible and transparent in their communication and dealings? Well, I was having an exchange in private with Brad Peebler, founder of Luxology, and I put to him whether the Foundry/Luxology would have the flexibility and agility to do something about short term. Turns out they do. In a few hours they set up everything for a *50% discount on Modo* purchases. No strings attached, just because I jokingly challenged him to. *Go to the online store and use the coupon raffofkahn for half price check-out.* I'm not a Modo user, nor have the time or inclination right now to become one. I'm not going to suddenly wish AD any ill or stop using their products, though they sure did their damnest to make me even more guarded when dealing with their PR and promises. I did really enjoy dealing with the Foundry in the past though, and I have now to extend that respect to its Luxology arm. At the very least they are willing to act transparently and unconditionally on matters all the way from the top of the product chain. Cheers, Raff P.S. The actual coupon's text was Brad's idea, not mine! I imagine he read my signature and thought I was a Trekkie or something like that. P.P.S. I'm not getting anything out of this. I'm not a modo user, I'm not getting freebies, it has nothing to do with my employer, what the hell, it barely has anything to do with me outside the last few hours and this e-mail itself. I simply thought it was a nice and significant gesture on Brad's side and decided to help him reach out on account of his personality and display of good will. -- Our users will know fear and cower before our software! Ship it! Ship it and let them flee like the dogs they are! -- Signature -- Signature
Re: Luxology Modo 50% off for this mailing list
I'm just happy to see my name on this list again in a positive light, even though it has nothing to do with me. On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 9:30 PM, Tim Crowson tim.crow...@magneticdreams.comwrote: That's really generous of Brad, and frankly reflects the artist-centric and artist-friendly attitude I've experienced first-hand when dealing with them or the Foundry in general. Modo is not there yet as a full package, and primarily lacks in raw performance and reliability. But I think they know what they need to do. Mad props and more power to The Foundry. -Tim On 3/4/2014 9:15 PM, Raffaele Fragapane wrote: Hi all, If you can't be bothered to read some text, the important bit is in bold a few paragraphs down. Now that the worst kept secret EVER has seen the sunlight, while everybody is still shell shocked, I think it's worth posting this. I'd like to say I'm surprised, or emotionally drained, but I'm actually barely upset. Writing's been on the wall for entirely too long. Deciding to not use Maya just because it's an AD product, at least for me, is like cutting one's own nose to spite the face; then in my domain (character work) Maya is too significant a player to just outright ignore it out of principle, not to mention I've been using it professionally or personally since v1. That said maybe some of you work in a different domain, and for you Modo, or Houdini, or C4D are a viable option. Coming from there, and more on topic, I have little faith in all these petitions, rage posts and the such, so I thought I'd start a different line of efforts to help a community I've been part of for Idon'twanttothinkhowlongitsscary. More on topic, if I had to find issue with this announcement and all it entails it's how badly it was managed and conceived. Not only it's an incredibly ponderous decision with inevitable gravity, it was also announced with barely any time to spare between its intended date and some hard dates on its effects. Of everything I heard and read insofar it's not so much the killing of Soft I find unacceptable (I guess I was well resigned in those regards, not that it doesn't sadden me enormously), as much as what picture it paints of AD customer management when they do such a thing, and proceed to aggravate the issue with nebulous information and an unacceptably short window of time for the user base to make some rather consequential decisions. But are the competitors any better? Any more accessible and transparent in their communication and dealings? Well, I was having an exchange in private with Brad Peebler, founder of Luxology, and I put to him whether the Foundry/Luxology would have the flexibility and agility to do something about short term. Turns out they do. In a few hours they set up everything for a *50% discount on Modo*purchases. No strings attached, just because I jokingly challenged him to. *Go to the online store and use the coupon raffofkahn for half price check-out.* I'm not a Modo user, nor have the time or inclination right now to become one. I'm not going to suddenly wish AD any ill or stop using their products, though they sure did their damnest to make me even more guarded when dealing with their PR and promises. I did really enjoy dealing with the Foundry in the past though, and I have now to extend that respect to its Luxology arm. At the very least they are willing to act transparently and unconditionally on matters all the way from the top of the product chain. Cheers, Raff P.S. The actual coupon's text was Brad's idea, not mine! I imagine he read my signature and thought I was a Trekkie or something like that. P.P.S. I'm not getting anything out of this. I'm not a modo user, I'm not getting freebies, it has nothing to do with my employer, what the hell, it barely has anything to do with me outside the last few hours and this e-mail itself. I simply thought it was a nice and significant gesture on Brad's side and decided to help him reach out on account of his personality and display of good will. -- Our users will know fear and cower before our software! Ship it! Ship it and let them flee like the dogs they are! --
Re: Luxology Modo 50% off for this mailing list
I feel like you are somehow partially responsible regardless. I may have to purchase a copy just because AND of course thanks for the reach out Raff. Nice move. Alex On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 10:35 PM, Bradley Gabe witha...@gmail.com wrote: I'm just happy to see my name on this list again in a positive light, even though it has nothing to do with me. On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 9:30 PM, Tim Crowson tim.crow...@magneticdreams.com wrote: That's really generous of Brad, and frankly reflects the artist-centric and artist-friendly attitude I've experienced first-hand when dealing with them or the Foundry in general. Modo is not there yet as a full package, and primarily lacks in raw performance and reliability. But I think they know what they need to do. Mad props and more power to The Foundry. -Tim On 3/4/2014 9:15 PM, Raffaele Fragapane wrote: Hi all, If you can't be bothered to read some text, the important bit is in bold a few paragraphs down. Now that the worst kept secret EVER has seen the sunlight, while everybody is still shell shocked, I think it's worth posting this. I'd like to say I'm surprised, or emotionally drained, but I'm actually barely upset. Writing's been on the wall for entirely too long. Deciding to not use Maya just because it's an AD product, at least for me, is like cutting one's own nose to spite the face; then in my domain (character work) Maya is too significant a player to just outright ignore it out of principle, not to mention I've been using it professionally or personally since v1. That said maybe some of you work in a different domain, and for you Modo, or Houdini, or C4D are a viable option. Coming from there, and more on topic, I have little faith in all these petitions, rage posts and the such, so I thought I'd start a different line of efforts to help a community I've been part of for Idon'twanttothinkhowlongitsscary. More on topic, if I had to find issue with this announcement and all it entails it's how badly it was managed and conceived. Not only it's an incredibly ponderous decision with inevitable gravity, it was also announced with barely any time to spare between its intended date and some hard dates on its effects. Of everything I heard and read insofar it's not so much the killing of Soft I find unacceptable (I guess I was well resigned in those regards, not that it doesn't sadden me enormously), as much as what picture it paints of AD customer management when they do such a thing, and proceed to aggravate the issue with nebulous information and an unacceptably short window of time for the user base to make some rather consequential decisions. But are the competitors any better? Any more accessible and transparent in their communication and dealings? Well, I was having an exchange in private with Brad Peebler, founder of Luxology, and I put to him whether the Foundry/Luxology would have the flexibility and agility to do something about short term. Turns out they do. In a few hours they set up everything for a *50% discount on Modo*purchases. No strings attached, just because I jokingly challenged him to. *Go to the online store and use the coupon raffofkahn for half price check-out.* I'm not a Modo user, nor have the time or inclination right now to become one. I'm not going to suddenly wish AD any ill or stop using their products, though they sure did their damnest to make me even more guarded when dealing with their PR and promises. I did really enjoy dealing with the Foundry in the past though, and I have now to extend that respect to its Luxology arm. At the very least they are willing to act transparently and unconditionally on matters all the way from the top of the product chain. Cheers, Raff P.S. The actual coupon's text was Brad's idea, not mine! I imagine he read my signature and thought I was a Trekkie or something like that. P.P.S. I'm not getting anything out of this. I'm not a modo user, I'm not getting freebies, it has nothing to do with my employer, what the hell, it barely has anything to do with me outside the last few hours and this e-mail itself. I simply thought it was a nice and significant gesture on Brad's side and decided to help him reach out on account of his personality and display of good will. -- Our users will know fear and cower before our software! Ship it! Ship it and let them flee like the dogs they are! --
Re: Luxology Modo 50% off for this mailing list
You'd never see such a gesture from Adsk. On the other hand I think it's a bit too early for this offer for most Softimage users to make a jump in one direction or another. Not saying that there won't be a few that will want to score this opportunity, so... yeah, it's a lot better than nothing. On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 5:42 AM, Alex Arce aa.li...@gmail.com wrote: I feel like you are somehow partially responsible regardless. I may have to purchase a copy just because AND of course thanks for the reach out Raff. Nice move. Alex On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 10:35 PM, Bradley Gabe witha...@gmail.com wrote: I'm just happy to see my name on this list again in a positive light, even though it has nothing to do with me. On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 9:30 PM, Tim Crowson tim.crow...@magneticdreams.com wrote: That's really generous of Brad, and frankly reflects the artist-centric and artist-friendly attitude I've experienced first-hand when dealing with them or the Foundry in general. Modo is not there yet as a full package, and primarily lacks in raw performance and reliability. But I think they know what they need to do. Mad props and more power to The Foundry. -Tim On 3/4/2014 9:15 PM, Raffaele Fragapane wrote: Hi all, If you can't be bothered to read some text, the important bit is in bold a few paragraphs down. Now that the worst kept secret EVER has seen the sunlight, while everybody is still shell shocked, I think it's worth posting this. I'd like to say I'm surprised, or emotionally drained, but I'm actually barely upset. Writing's been on the wall for entirely too long. Deciding to not use Maya just because it's an AD product, at least for me, is like cutting one's own nose to spite the face; then in my domain (character work) Maya is too significant a player to just outright ignore it out of principle, not to mention I've been using it professionally or personally since v1. That said maybe some of you work in a different domain, and for you Modo, or Houdini, or C4D are a viable option. Coming from there, and more on topic, I have little faith in all these petitions, rage posts and the such, so I thought I'd start a different line of efforts to help a community I've been part of for Idon'twanttothinkhowlongitsscary. More on topic, if I had to find issue with this announcement and all it entails it's how badly it was managed and conceived. Not only it's an incredibly ponderous decision with inevitable gravity, it was also announced with barely any time to spare between its intended date and some hard dates on its effects. Of everything I heard and read insofar it's not so much the killing of Soft I find unacceptable (I guess I was well resigned in those regards, not that it doesn't sadden me enormously), as much as what picture it paints of AD customer management when they do such a thing, and proceed to aggravate the issue with nebulous information and an unacceptably short window of time for the user base to make some rather consequential decisions. But are the competitors any better? Any more accessible and transparent in their communication and dealings? Well, I was having an exchange in private with Brad Peebler, founder of Luxology, and I put to him whether the Foundry/Luxology would have the flexibility and agility to do something about short term. Turns out they do. In a few hours they set up everything for a *50% discount on Modo*purchases. No strings attached, just because I jokingly challenged him to. *Go to the online store and use the coupon raffofkahn for half price check-out.* I'm not a Modo user, nor have the time or inclination right now to become one. I'm not going to suddenly wish AD any ill or stop using their products, though they sure did their damnest to make me even more guarded when dealing with their PR and promises. I did really enjoy dealing with the Foundry in the past though, and I have now to extend that respect to its Luxology arm. At the very least they are willing to act transparently and unconditionally on matters all the way from the top of the product chain. Cheers, Raff P.S. The actual coupon's text was Brad's idea, not mine! I imagine he read my signature and thought I was a Trekkie or something like that. P.P.S. I'm not getting anything out of this. I'm not a modo user, I'm not getting freebies, it has nothing to do with my employer, what the hell, it barely has anything to do with me outside the last few hours and this e-mail itself. I simply thought it was a nice and significant gesture on Brad's side and decided to help him reach out on account of his personality and display of good will. -- Our users will know fear and cower before our software! Ship it! Ship it and let them flee like the dogs they are! --
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Personally I find the offer monetary value itself barely relevant. Let me explain: It's more the fact a person as highly positioned as him keeps in touch with people who have hardly anything to do with his products and is wiling to jump a whole chain of decision makers and bureaucracy to make something happen in a few hours that matters to me. If it saves you a few hundred bucks that's a bonus for sure :) BTW apparently it's the community store or something like that that should be used at: http://community.thefoundry.co.uk/store/modo/ Some other store locations might not accept coupons. On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 2:45 PM, nick name creator3dstu...@gmail.com wrote: You'd never see such a gesture from Adsk. On the other hand I think it's a bit too early for this offer for most Softimage users to make a jump in one direction or another. Not saying that there won't be a few that will want to score this opportunity, so... yeah, it's a lot better than nothing.
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hahahahahahah amazing Raff!World is at warThe Foundry have a good respectfull background so far. But also got a good pathway to monopolicy. The dark side.Nuke, Katana, Mari, Modo . Can all become a centric pipeline toolset... It's a very interesting way to go at first sight.But Modo misses lots of things for all of us now. It's a modeler that want to become a full dcc... this scares me. Building all those modules on top of the ground technology it was meant to be makes me ask me questions about the scalability of the app itself. Could a modeling app become's a full dcc app?...I just hope they keep a good eye on how they do things and dont become what Autodesk is You know when things are growing out too fast.At least, the foundry, dont kill the products they ingest so far. And they have my total trust for what is comming in the years to come. They just need time to adjust into interop of all of their tools. And push modo to the other level. This could become a killer.sly Sylvain Lebeau // SHEDV-P/Visual effects supervisor1410, RUE STANLEY, 11E ÉTAGE MONTRÉAL (QUÉBEC) H3A 1P8T 514 849-1555 F 514 849-5025WWW.SHEDMTL.COMhttp://WWW.SHEDMTL.COMVFX Curriculum 03: Compositing Basicsmail to: s...@shedmtl.com On Mar 4, 2014, at 10:15 PM, Raffaele Fragapane raffsxsil...@googlemail.com wrote:Hi all,If you can't be bothered to read some text, the important bit is in bold a few paragraphs down.Now that the worst kept secret EVER has seen the sunlight, while everybody is still shell shocked, I think it's worth posting this. I'd like to say I'm surprised, or emotionally drained, but I'm actually barely upset. Writing's been on the wall for entirely too long.Deciding to not use Maya just because it's an AD product, at least for me, is like cutting one's own nose to spite the face; then in my domain (character work) Maya is too significant a player to just outright ignore it out of principle, not to mention I've been using it professionally or personally since v1. That said maybe some of you work in a different domain, and for you Modo, or Houdini, or C4D are a viable option.Coming from there, and more on topic, I have little faith in all these petitions, rage posts and the such, so I thought I'd start a different line of efforts to help a community I've been part of for Idon'twanttothinkhowlongitsscary. More on topic, if I had to find issue with this announcement and all it entails it's how badly it was managed and conceived.Not only it's an incredibly ponderous decision with inevitable gravity, it was also announced with barely any time to spare between its intended date and some hard dates on its effects. Of everything I heard and read insofar it's not so much the killing of Soft I find unacceptable (I guess I was well resigned in those regards, not that it doesn't sadden me enormously), as much as what picture it paints of AD customer management when they do such a thing, and proceed to aggravate the issue with nebulous information and an unacceptably short window of time for the user base to make some rather consequential decisions. But are the competitors any better? Any more accessible and transparent in their communication and dealings?Well, I was having an exchange in private with Brad Peebler, founder of Luxology, and I put to him whether the Foundry/Luxology would have the flexibility and agility to do something about short term. Turns out they do.In a few hours they set up everything for a 50% discount on Modo purchases. No strings attached, just because I jokingly challenged him to. Go to the online store and use the coupon "raffofkahn" for half price check-out.I'm not a Modo user, nor have the time or inclination right now to become one. I'm not going to suddenly wish AD any ill or stop using their products, though they sure did their damnest to make me even more guarded when dealing with their PR and promises. I did really enjoy dealing with the Foundry in the past though, and I have now to extend that respect to its Luxology arm. At the very least they are willing to act transparently and unconditionally on matters all the way from the top of the product chain. Cheers,RaffP.S.The actual coupon's text was Brad's idea, not mine! I imagine he read my signature and thought I was a Trekkie or something like that. P.P.S.I'm not getting anything out of this. I'm not a modo user, I'm not getting freebies, it has nothing to do with my employer, what the hell, it barely has anything to do with me outside the last few hours and this e-mail itself. I simply thought it was a nice and significant gesture on Brad's side and decided to help him reach out on account of his personality and display of good will. -- Our users will know fear and cower before our software! Ship it! Ship it and let them flee like the dogs they are!
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you are so right..never we would have been able to be so close to the real decision making peoples at AD then this exemple.so refreshingPeoples who cares...Amazing Sylvain Lebeau // SHEDV-P/Visual effects supervisor1410, RUE STANLEY, 11E ÉTAGE MONTRÉAL (QUÉBEC) H3A 1P8T 514 849-1555 F 514 849-5025WWW.SHEDMTL.COMhttp://WWW.SHEDMTL.COMVFX Curriculum 03: Compositing Basicsmail to: s...@shedmtl.com On Mar 4, 2014, at 10:51 PM, Raffaele Fragapane raffsxsil...@googlemail.com wrote:Personally I find the offer monetary value itself barely relevant.Let me explain: It's more the fact a person as highly positioned as him keeps in touch with people who have hardly anything to do with his products and is wiling to jump a whole chain of decision makers and bureaucracy to make something happen in a few hours that matters to me. If it saves you a few hundred bucks that's a bonus for sure :)BTW apparently it's the community store or something like that that should be used at:http://community.thefoundry.co.uk/store/modo/ Some other store locations might not accept coupons.On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 2:45 PM, nick name creator3dstu...@gmail.com wrote: You'd never see such a gesture from Adsk. On the other hand I think it's a bit too early for this offer for most Softimage users to make a jump in one direction or another. Not saying that there won't be a few that will want to score this opportunity, so... yeah, it's a lot better than nothing.
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Exactly Raff! that IS the point, in the long run I think this company will have to learn the lesson many others have. People will pay good money for good service and products, Apple know this and have reaped the rewards. N Personally I find the offer monetary value itself barely relevant. Let me explain: It's more the fact a person as highly positioned as him keeps in touch with people who have hardly anything to do with his products and is wiling to jump a whole chain of decision makers and bureaucracy to make something happen in a few hours that matters to me.
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Right Nick! at least Apple sold Shake's SDK! To whomever wanted to still use it!!!i am working on it with poor faith...;-)sly Sylvain Lebeau // SHEDV-P/Visual effects supervisor1410, RUE STANLEY, 11E ÉTAGE MONTRÉAL (QUÉBEC) H3A 1P8T 514 849-1555 F 514 849-5025WWW.SHEDMTL.COMhttp://WWW.SHEDMTL.COMVFX Curriculum 03: Compositing Basicsmail to: s...@shedmtl.com On Mar 4, 2014, at 10:56 PM, Nick Angus n...@altvfx.com wrote:Exactly Raff! that IS the point, in the long run I think this company will have to learn the lesson many others have. People will pay good money for good service and products, Apple know this and have reaped the rewards. NPersonally I find the offer monetary value itself barely relevant.Let me explain: It's more the fact a person as highly positioned as him keeps in touch with people who have hardly anything to do with his products and is wiling to jump a whole chain of decision makers and bureaucracy to make something happen in a few hours that matters to me.
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Is that just for UK store? Can I use that on NUKE? On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 10:52 PM, Sylvain Lebeau s...@shedmtl.com wrote: hahahahahahah amazing Raff! World is at war The Foundry have a good respectfull background so far. But also got a good pathway to monopolicy. The dark side. Nuke, Katana, Mari, Modo . Can all become a centric pipeline toolset... It's a very interesting way to go at first sight. But Modo misses lots of things for all of us now. It's a modeler that want to become a full dcc... this scares me. Building all those modules on top of the ground technology it was meant to be makes me ask me questions about the scalability of the app itself. Could a modeling app become's a full dcc app?... I just hope they keep a good eye on how they do things and dont become what Autodesk is You know when things are growing out too fast. At least, the foundry, dont kill the products they ingest so far. And they have my total trust for what is comming in the years to come. They just need time to adjust into interop of all of their tools. And push modo to the other level. This could become a killer. sly *Sylvain Lebeau // SHED* V-P/Visual effects supervisor 1410, RUE STANLEY, 11E ÉTAGE MONTRÉAL (QUÉBEC) H3A 1P8 T 514 849-1555 F 514 849-5025 WWW.SHEDMTL.COM http://www.shedmtl.com/ http://WWW.SHEDMTL.COM http://www.shedmtl.com/ VFX Curriculum 03: Compositing Basics mail to: s...@shedmtl.com On Mar 4, 2014, at 10:15 PM, Raffaele Fragapane raffsxsil...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi all, If you can't be bothered to read some text, the important bit is in bold a few paragraphs down. Now that the worst kept secret EVER has seen the sunlight, while everybody is still shell shocked, I think it's worth posting this. I'd like to say I'm surprised, or emotionally drained, but I'm actually barely upset. Writing's been on the wall for entirely too long. Deciding to not use Maya just because it's an AD product, at least for me, is like cutting one's own nose to spite the face; then in my domain (character work) Maya is too significant a player to just outright ignore it out of principle, not to mention I've been using it professionally or personally since v1. That said maybe some of you work in a different domain, and for you Modo, or Houdini, or C4D are a viable option. Coming from there, and more on topic, I have little faith in all these petitions, rage posts and the such, so I thought I'd start a different line of efforts to help a community I've been part of for Idon'twanttothinkhowlongitsscary. More on topic, if I had to find issue with this announcement and all it entails it's how badly it was managed and conceived. Not only it's an incredibly ponderous decision with inevitable gravity, it was also announced with barely any time to spare between its intended date and some hard dates on its effects. Of everything I heard and read insofar it's not so much the killing of Soft I find unacceptable (I guess I was well resigned in those regards, not that it doesn't sadden me enormously), as much as what picture it paints of AD customer management when they do such a thing, and proceed to aggravate the issue with nebulous information and an unacceptably short window of time for the user base to make some rather consequential decisions. But are the competitors any better? Any more accessible and transparent in their communication and dealings? Well, I was having an exchange in private with Brad Peebler, founder of Luxology, and I put to him whether the Foundry/Luxology would have the flexibility and agility to do something about short term. Turns out they do. In a few hours they set up everything for a *50% discount on Modo*purchases. No strings attached, just because I jokingly challenged him to. *Go to the online store and use the coupon raffofkahn for half price check-out.* I'm not a Modo user, nor have the time or inclination right now to become one. I'm not going to suddenly wish AD any ill or stop using their products, though they sure did their damnest to make me even more guarded when dealing with their PR and promises. I did really enjoy dealing with the Foundry in the past though, and I have now to extend that respect to its Luxology arm. At the very least they are willing to act transparently and unconditionally on matters all the way from the top of the product chain. Cheers, Raff P.S. The actual coupon's text was Brad's idea, not mine! I imagine he read my signature and thought I was a Trekkie or something like that. P.P.S. I'm not getting anything out of this. I'm not a modo user, I'm not getting freebies, it has nothing to do with my employer, what the hell, it barely has anything to do with me outside the last few hours and this e-mail itself. I simply thought it was a nice and significant gesture on Brad's side and decided to help him reach out on account of his
