Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How to use Virtual Libraries in LMS 7.9

[PasTim]

RobbH wrote: 
> Gentlemen (meaning primarily PasTim and dolodobendan):
> 
> These things matter. A lot. To a very few of us. Among that small group
> of "us," opinions vary and disagreements are inevitable. Like academic
> infighting, one of the reasons disputes can be so bitter is that the
> stakes are so small.
> 
> I do not have a degree in Physics, much to my regret. What I have is
> nearly thirty years of experience as music director of a radio station
> that played mainly classical music. At the start, that is. Over the
> course of those thirty years, the percentage of time devoted to music
> decreased to less than half.
> 
> Managing the library was always a struggle. I tried various software
> solutions early on, and finally wrote my own in Filemaker. That solution
> gave me most of the information I needed, with the exception of a good
> way to distinguish between complete works and excerpts, which seemed to
> be a universal problem. My solution was also so clunky that entering new
> recordings was hopelessly complicated and severely slowed down expansion
> of the library.
> 
> There are legends in classical radio of people who started working on
> their own music management software and were, for all practical
> purposes, never heard from again. I mean that figuratively, of course.
> They still came to the office every day, but they were never known to do
> any productive work on anything but their software project, which was
> never completed.
> 
> I was almost one of those guys. I suppose I WAS one for a while, but I
> gave up and went back to my real work with what I had, limitations and
> all.
> 
> I have a fair amount of classical music in my library, and I feel your
> pain. But I'm willing to be content with the limited tools that are
> available within LMS for managing classical music. I use the sort of
> workarounds that you have rejected. And there are good reasons for
> rejecting them. When the title field is absurdly long, because you're
> trying to combine some representation of composer, title, catalog
> number, and subdivision (if any), all in one field, it's ugly and often
> unmanageable. And some important information is still missing.
> 
> I'm willing to live with the ugliness and unmanageability, as long as it
> doesn't get in the way of my enjoyment of the music. That's not to say
> that you should live with it or that it wouldn't detract from your
> enjoyment. But I would like to encourage you to consider the nature of
> that rabbit hole before you plunge back down into it. Especially, please
> try to calculate your chances of achieving what you will consider
> success and scale your dreams accordingly.
> 
> I do wish you both (and anyone else struggling with this) the best of
> luck. I hope you will find a way to achieve something that satisfies
> you. But please try to remember that it's very unlikely that your
> solution will satisfy anyone else. Opinions vary. Priorities differ. I
> hope you can enjoy your life and the wonderful music at your command,
> even with the necessary compromises.
Thanks - Tim



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How to use Virtual Libraries in LMS 7.9

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dolodobendan.

This is only time, ever, in all my years on this forum that someone has
repeatedly insulted me.  It has previously always be a pleasure to
discuss differences and views.  But not this time.  Music is for
enjoyment, not some strange form of one-upmanship.

So I'm unsubscribing from this thread.  

Cheerio.



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How to use Virtual Libraries in LMS 7.9

[PasTim]

I disagree with so much that you have written that I won't respond bit
by bit.  I fail to understand half of it.  

Music is NOT about recordings, to me, it about performances,  So a
Concerto has a WORKARTIST - it must have, for me.  So does a Symphony
(the same as CONDUCTOR), and so on. It/they is the key ARTIST on all
tracks of the performance.  

An extract of a WORK is part of WORK, so in the naming hierarchy, it's
not a random extract, it's part of a WORK. It's music, is it not?  WORK
composed by people. Not 'extracts' of a recording.  If I have 50
performances of the same aria they all come up in a WORK/MOVEMENT query.
Or try using Erlands Dynamic Tag menu.  What's the issue? If there is an
opera with an aria of the same name (or indeed a Mass - much more
likely), how do I find the different pieces of music with the same name?
I use WORK and MOVEMENT.  
.  
And please stop saying yours is so much better ' less rocky' indeed.  I
might think the same of yours solution but I don't say so.  I have tried
to stay polite.  I wish you would respect other people's views and stop
slagging them off.

I am quite sure my plot will works with larger libraries.  I can't see
why it would not, provided performances are key, not recordings.

Because the world is as it is, not as we might like it, all my music
must be easily playable on systems that are not as flexible as LMS. 
That's life.  If/when LMS collapses, I have several other ways of still
playing my music reasonably easily, just not as good.  A necessary
precaution for me.

What is JEFF?



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How to use Virtual Libraries in LMS 7.9

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dolodobendan wrote: 
> It wasn't meant to be unnecessarily rude. For that, I apologize. I can
> accept that people view things differently. But I won't say they are
> right if they are not.
Apology accepted, from someone with a Physics degree and a lifteime in
IT.  Please get over the idea of 'right' and 'wrong'.  Just different. 
I will never accuse you of being wrong, just not my way of doing things,
but, I'm sure, equally good for you.

Some also seem to believe that because I have a mere tens of thousand of
tracks, that's 'relatively' trivial.  Another unpleasant way of
discussing a subject we both seem to care about, and so unnecessary.

This is, sadly, a splendid example of why no one will ever get an agreed
classical music standard.  I'd be quite happy with RECORDING as well for
those who want it, but it seems that asking for the, to me, supremely
logical WORKARTIST is too much.  I couldn't use a system with WORK =
extract, and cannot understand it all (truly - it baffles me).  Others
insist on it.  So a flexible solution is, as far as I can tell,
essential.  Erland earlier mentioned a project to create a common
standard, but it seems to have fallen by the wayside.  It's a real shame
that the inventors of the tagging regime didn't think about this at all.
One of my criteria when basing my solution on that proposed by Erland
in Custom Browse
(https://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Setup_browse_menu_for_classical_music)
was that it had to work on systems with no extra tag support or flexible
menus, such as the old Windows Media, so all the standard tags have to
function as best they can.

This clearly isn't going anywhere, so I don't think opening a new thread
on the topic will help.  Sad, but not surprised.



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How to use Virtual Libraries in LMS 7.9

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dolodobendan wrote: 
> "part of a WORK" is the important part here. Doesn't it bother you that
> *ONE* disc of random arias poses as several operas and fills your
> library with operas that you don't have?
>  But I do have MOVEMENTs of many WORKS.  Doesn't it bother you that if
you search for an Opera WORK you don't find all the separate MOVEMENTs
as well?

It all just shows how different we are.
> Okay. Both too complicated and too unprecise at the same time for my
> taste. But sure, different strokes for different folks. And I really see
> no advantage, except maybe the trackartist.
I Use WORKARTIST all the time.  A key selection for me.  

> I'll give it a try tomorrow. It's probably my setup.Good luck.
> I'm not sure what you mean. I have complete works, where WORK represents
> complete works. And I have extracts, where WORK just says Extracts and
> TITLE shows where it's from.
> I never want to listen to an extract when browsing works, thus browsing
> WORKs. Extracts are almost always on compilation discs like "Best of
> Opera" or whatever. It doesn't make sense (to me) that you would go to
> Rossini / Il Barbiere di Siviglia / Aria of Rosina and then listen to
> that ONE extract aria and then you have to do all that clicking again
> for the next one. I'd just find that album by ARTIST or ALBUM and select
> that track in that compilation. You don't look for a recording here but
> for a context.
We are just different.  I should note that TITLE  on all my tracks is
"WORK - MOVEMENT".If I want to play all of Best of Opera I usually
know the ALBUMARTIST and GENRE (OPERA) and play the album.  If I want a
specific aria from a WORK, I go to teh WORK and find it - not difficult
for me.

> Let's just say there's a scientific way to do this:
> 
> '
> https://www.operadis-opera-discography.org.uk/CLBEFIDE.HTM'
> (https://www.operadis-opera-discography.org.uk/CLBEFIDE.HTM)
> 
> And then there's... others.
>  That's unnecessarily rude.  Can't you accept people view things
differently, equally validly?  I give up.  Bye.



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How to use Virtual Libraries in LMS 7.9

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dolodobendan wrote: 
> This pretty much shows why RECORDING (or whatever) is needed: "Recording
> Session" (another name that'd work) shows the disc release, not the
> recording session's date, which is 1998 (if ArkivMusic got it right for
> a change. :p ). If I would look, I'm pretty sure I could find another
> disk that features one or both of the works presented here. I think I
> have Tchaikovski's piano concerto played by Richter on three different
> discs. Which one? That one: Sviatoslav Richter / Karajan / Wiener
> Symphoniker 1962. ALBUM is needed to identify an album. To identify the
> recording - not the disk - RECORDING is needed.
> 
> Seeing this, here's one thing I "manually" have to change in RECORDING:
> If it's the SAME recording, I have to create an index like [a],
> otherwise it will play "twice". I have a tag INDEX that I set if I know
> that I already have that recording and it will be integrated in
> RECORDING automatically. The scanning would have to create an index if
> it's not the same path (and / or the same disk set. cover.jpg size?
> YEAR?).
> 
> Oh, and you don't have to actually own many classical disc to have the
> same recording of a work twice. I think I got the Richter recording of
> that piano concerto within a month as presents. On different discs. I
> had around 20 classical discs back then.
I delete duplicate (identical) recordings. A different viewpoint.  I
don't value the exact same performance on different ALBUMs.  One will
do.



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How to use Virtual Libraries in LMS 7.9

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dolodobendan wrote: 
> The problem with your solution is that this creates entries that don't
> represent the work. For example, I'd click on "Il barbiere di Siviglia"
> and get a hundred result, most of them* are that Figaro's aria. (* If'd
> tag a whole opera "opera" and an extracted aria "aria", then I'd get
> different results depending on the menu path: COMPOSER - WORK -
> RECORDING will show these extracts, while GENRE - COMPOSER - WORK -
> RECORDING will not. That's bad, too, we want consistent results.) In
> other words, I don't recommend this approach for larger (or any, really)
> libraries.
I'm afraid I simply don't understand. Sorry.  For me, an Aria is part of
a WORK - it's a MOVEMENT, and the GENRE is for the WORK as a whole (I
can imagine wanting a sub-sub-genre of ARIA, but I've never done that).
My library isn't trivial (nearly 32,000 tracks).

> Yes. But it's always more than just some variant of ARTIST. It's always
> ARTIST + YEAR. Or even venue. That's why I prefer RECORDING. It can
> distinguish without being bend beyond the scope of it's name. WORK
> ARTIST cannot be Karajan 1960 (technically it can, of course. But it
> shouldn't.) RECORDING can. And it's called recording anyway, so why
> invent another name. We are different.  WORKARTIST is ALBUMARTIST, applied to 
> a WORK - it
can't have a YEAR in it.  Any MOVEMENT also has ARTISTs (TRACKARTIST). 
The YEAR tag gives me the recording year.

> But of course, in the end, it doesn't really matter how it's named as
> it's not visible anyway. 
My WORKARTISTs are visible and selectable.

> That's the situation now with Multi Library, Custom Browse, and Custom
> Scan. If you don't have this problem I envy you :D . Maybe it's my
> setup... The only time I lose the Multi-Library ids are if I delete the whole 
> of
LMS cache, including all databases, and start again.  Doing a normal
'clear library and rescan' is OK.

> I see why you would want to limit it to just WORK. But no, sorry.
> There's no standard that defines a work. Take Lieder (Songs) for
> example. There may be up to 40 works on a disc. Not extracts, but works.
> Please ask if I was being unclear. I know I can be. But both tags are
> needed. 
I agree that where it gets trickier is with some series of related
pieces.  4 Last Songs (Strauss), or 24 preludes and fugues.  4 WORKs
(each of 1 MOVEMENT), or one WORK with 4 MOVEMENTs, and so on. That's
just a matter of personal preference to me, not a problem.  I don't have
the concept of 'extracts' that you seem to have.

> Ah, yes, Multi Library. But if I wipe the cache each time I do a rescan
> and add (=rename) the libraries' xmls one by one, it works great.  I don't 
> wipe all of cache, and don't have any issues - I just clear
library and rescan'.

I suspect all other Classical fans have their own ways of viewing this,
as Erland suggests in another post, and that getting any form of
agreement would be very hard, not least because change tagging on many
thousands of tracks could be hard, and prone to error.



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How to use Virtual Libraries in LMS 7.9

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erland wrote: 
> Assuming LMS will be developed further and doesn’t move into a minimal
> maintenance phase I suspect both will eventually break. If nothing else
> breaks them a new Perl version is probably going to do it at some point.
> I would be surprised if the streaming service integration in 8.0 doesn’t
> already cause some issues. A likely scenario is that they will degrade
> slowly by not including/working with new great features added to LMS
> core. There is no way to say which one is going to break first.
> 
> My feeling is still that a Classical Music plugin would make sense. By
> focusing on classical music you can define the logic in the plugin
> instead of forcing each user to configure their own set of tags/menus.
> It will also be a lot easier to maintain since you know the logic
> instead of having to understand all different configuration variations.
> 
> 
> I suspect it’s unlikely that Michael is going to do something like this
> in the core as it’s a lot of work and it doesn’t match the
> database/browsing principles of other parts of LMS. So, I think the next
> step is to wait and see if any developer picks up this discussion and
> tries to accomplish something. Hopefully someone has done something
> before my plugins stop working. Not sure it’s worth to continue this
> discussion any further as it’s off topic of the thread and we don’t know
> if anyone have an interest to try to do something. If anyone wants to
> continue the discussion it probably makes sense to start a new thread so
> it’s more likely to attract developers interested to do something.
Do think think my ideas in #42 would be a good start?



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How to use Virtual Libraries in LMS 7.9

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erland wrote: 
> What I’m trying to understand is if ALBUM could be used for recording on
> discs that contain full works and for album title for other albums (like
> your Callas arias example).
> That way we wouldn’t have to add support for RECORDING as a separate
> tag. Support for WORK would still be needed of course.
Varying the use of ALBUM for different types of discs seems complicated
to me.  If you have WORK, then a normal ALBUM title pins it down fairly
closely.  I believe that, as you suggested years ago, that MOVEMENT is
also essential, not least since it then lets parts of WORKS be pinned
down as well, such as a disk of various operatic arias.  I also often
compare a WORK MOVEMENT between different performers. The difficulty I
then found was if WORK isn't the same as ALBUM, WORKARTIST seems
somewhat inevitable for the same reason that ALBUMARTIST is needed. Just
my own view of course.  I do like the idea of RECORDING, and then each
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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How to use Virtual Libraries in LMS 7.9

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jeroen2 wrote: 
> But there is also a "browse by work" option within the album listing,
> which I think is why it makes sense to tag larger albums with a "work"
> tag. 
> 
> I don't use it a lot, but here's an example from a large box set in
> Qobuz.
> 

Is this using a custom browse menu you created?  Work is not a known tag
in LMS as far as I know.  I don't understand what you mean about tagging
a 'larger' album with a work tag, unless you mean replacing the album
name with just one Work.  Sorry, I'm being dim.



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How to use Virtual Libraries in LMS 7.9

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dolodobendan wrote: 
> Right now I have to choose if it's a solo work or not. Depending on that
> choice RECORDING will be created. I don't think it would be very
> difficult to mash everything in one algorithm.
> 
> The album tag is crucial. Take any "artist focused" disc, like Callas
> arias. Every track has a different composer, there's more often than not
> no complete work to find. WORK here is "Extracts". If I want to listen
> to that disc, I have to find that disc. There's no work to be found
> here.
I still assign the WORK if it is an extract, and assign the appropriate
MOVEMENT (there almost always is a named movement/aria/etc of some
sort).

> And it's both WORK and RECORDING that is important. You cannot mash them
> together. You need both to identify, well, a recording: Hélène Grimaud
> (1996) pretty sure is a good choice, but what is it? That's what I'm
> saying: These two are the crucial tags to browse classical music. More
> tags might be fun, but these are essential (in addition to already
> supported tags like composer, genre etc., obviously) 
WORK ARTIST effectively does the same for me, except if there are
multiple versions by the same person of the same WORK.  We all have
different ways of trying to do much the same thing :)

> As for the library IDs. If I click "Clear library and rescan everything"
> the IDs change (they shift) and the CB menus are empty and I have to
> create them all over again. That's why I always wipe the cache. Maybe
> something changed and this problem is gone now. I could give it a try
> this weekend.
If still the case that rules out that as a solution for me using my
tailored Custom Browse menus.



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Having thought a bit more about this I think there are two aspects, one
of which, with work, could be standard, the other would require the
equivalent of Custom Scan.

1. Build a totally flexible menu

Erland's Browse menus allow one to go from one tag to the next, which
could be the same tag type where there are multiples, or any other in
pretty well any order.   So one can go from Genre to Genre to Conductor
to Album Artist, and so on.  Whilst maybe not as easy to use as rigid
menus, it pretty much solves most other ways of finding and playing
tracks.  

>From a usablility point of view I suspect the main issue is how to list
both the "next tag" options, and the tracks or albums that match the
current selection.  Erland's browse menu lists albums that match so far,
followed by the 'next tags'.  I'd be tempted to reverse this, since
having selected only one tag, the list of matches can be very long
indeed, so the 'next tags' are harder to find.

The 'next tags' list at each step contains all the possible tags that
have more than one match for the selections so far.  So if there a
multiple Artists on a track, select the first Artist, and Artists still
appears at the next level.  IF there are no further matches, the Artist
'next tag' disappears.  If all the Dates (Year) are the same, Date does
not appear.  And so on.

2. Add non-standard tags to this set-up.

For classical and other people who want or need to include additional
tags, allow users to add new tags, and have them incorporated into the
flexible setup, which is what Custom Scan does for the Custom Browse
flexible menu.  I don't know which of Custom Scan or Custom Browse is
the more fragile in terms of long term developments that might break
them.  If Custom Scan is more likely to survive, then a limited
long-life Custom Browse that can add the selected extra tags into the
flexible menus would be enough.

I have no doubt all of this might be hard,  but Erland has laid the
groundwork on the flexible menu, and custom scan.

Below are two images from upplay using minimserver.  On the top you can
see the trail of selections so far, to a Conductor of Debussy, and then
to matching Works.

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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How to use Virtual Libraries in LMS 7.9

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erland wrote: 
> There is:
> 
> - shallowgenres (Genre Albums) which provides a menu structure like
> “//“, typically used if you like genre browsing in
> a limited library and want to select album directly after selecting
> genre. I think LMS core forces you to select both an artist and genre
> before albums are listed but in at least iPeng there is an All Albums
> item after selecting the genre which can be used to not have to select
> an artist. By limiting shallowgenres based menu to classical music you
> effectively have a way to browse one level sub genres within classical
> music.
> 
> - subgenres (Genres/Sub Genres) which provides a menu structure like
> “”, typically used in a really
> large library where you have spent extensive time to tag your music with
> multiple genre levels. In standard LMS core you would have to flatten
> you genre tags so you combine main genre and sub genre into one genre
> tag separated with space or similar. The standard LMS way of doing it is
> more likely to work in other software, but is only useful if you have a
> strict hierarchy of genres. If you don’t know if you like to select the
> main genre or sub genre first you will need something like the subgenres
> menu in Custom Browse. In the Custom Browse menu you can specify which
> genres you like to see on the first level, which is useful if you have a
> strict hierarchy.
> 
> There are more genre templates than these but I think the above are the
> ones that’s most different compared to LMS core.
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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How to use Virtual Libraries in LMS 7.9

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erland wrote: 
> Is album critical for browsing classical music or would it make sense to
> use ALBUM tag to represent the recording, so for a mixed composer/work
> release you would use multiple ALBUM tags ? Basically use ALBUM tag for
> the information previously mentioned in the thread as RECORDING if I’m
> getting this right ?
> 
> I get the feeling that the actual packaging on a CD is less interesting
> for classical music compared to pop/rock music. For classical I suspect
> the interesting group of tracks to keep together is rather the work or
> recording.
> 
> The album could still make sense when structuring the files on disc to
> be able to find the physical CD a track was ripped from but I suspect it
> isn’t really critical when selecting what to play.
I believe using Album for Work is quite common. It avoids the need for
extra tags for Work, Movement and WorkArtist.  I wanted to preserve the
concept of Album, since I quite often play all of an Album containing
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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How to use Virtual Libraries in LMS 7.9

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jeroen2 wrote: 
> Shallowgenres comes with Custom Browse (and I think is also implemented
> in MultiLibrary). See below for my menus. 
> I have about 400 albums divided in 4 toplevel genres and 20 subgenres. 
> 
You've got me there.  I can't find "shallowgenre" anywhere in Custom
Browse.  I have multiple genres on all my classical tracks.



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How to use Virtual Libraries in LMS 7.9

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erland wrote: 
> Would you be able to live with similar browsing features that you get
> with MinimServer and foobar2000 in case my plugins stops working ?
> Just asking to understand if we have a minimum feature set that could be
> the start of something new. Trying to solve it all is likely going to be
> too much work for someone to get interested in doing something so I
> think the key is to find the baby steps that takes us into the right
> direction.
> How are you able to browse with MinimServer and/or foobar2000 ?
With foobar one can define 'filters' to do pretty much select anything
you want.  So I have all sorts of filters, one two and even 3 level
filters (eg composer/work/workartist, conductor/composer/work, etc).  I
primarily use it to check for errors in my tags.  I can also search
explicitly on sort forms of all the main tags, find works with multiple
composers, and so on.  It's a great analysis tool,  just not so hot at
actually playing music on my various devices, and it can't play on my
Touch players.

Minimserver is also very good, but again can't use the Touch players.  I
can access it from various UPnP devices, including upplay on linux PCs,
and it has a reasonable menu capability, not unlike your 'pick which tag
you want to start with' menus, then filtering down to what you want to
play.  It can use all my custom tags in the menu.  For reasons I am now
unsure of I had to effectively duplicate Work to Group - I think it was
to allow multiple versions of a work to appear on one album and be
selected correctly (so the Group has a suffix added to the Work name to
differentiate multiple entries).  It's the most usable alternative to
LMS that I've found for playing music.

So, at a minimum, I need Work, Movement, WorkArtist and Rating tags, and
selection across most artist-type and rating tags.  If not in specific
menus then using a 'Browse tag' type menu.  Does that make sense?



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How to use Virtual Libraries in LMS 7.9

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jeroen2 wrote: 
> For me in classical music the actual CD the tracks came from is very
> relevant. I do tend to only play full albums (CDs) and never individual
> tracks, regardless of the genre. Although I can see how the new online
> music market is changing the way artists release their work, I do still
> think most of them make a conscious effort to 'curate' their work into a
> CD like format, which I would then like to play from beginning to end. 
> 
> I've been following this discussion with interest because I also still
> use the Custom Browse and Custom Library. My main navigation is through
> "shallowgenre" though:
> >Genre >Subgenre >Albums  (where Genre can be Classical with subgenres
> Classical Piano, Classical Bach, etc...) 
> 
> My main reason to do this is that I tend to be more visually oriented
> when choosing what music to play. So rather then coming up with the name
> of the work or the name of the performer I prefer scrolling through
> album covers.. 
> 
> So if I decide to rework my menus using the new functionality in LMS 8
> (in stead of using the plugins) it would need to include an alternative
> for shallowgenre.
Am I right in understanding that you have defined your own custom tag
'shallowgenre'?



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How to use Virtual Libraries in LMS 7.9

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dolodobendan wrote: 
> >   >   > 
  - Menus need one or better two additional levels (Menu example:
  > Genre -> Composer -> Work -> Recording)
  - At least two new tags are needed: WORK and RECORDING (or call it
  > work artist, but good luck with trying that with the aforementioned
  > 9th symph and Karajan)
  > > > 
> 
> I'm trying to build a simple plugin that lets you define the levels
> like this
> 
> 1. Menu name [ TEST ] 
> |_> Level 1 [ COMPOSER ] -> Level 2 [ WORK ] -> Level 3 [ RECORDING
> ]-> Level 4 [ ]
> |_> Level 1 [ GENRE ] -> Level 2 [ COMPOSER ] -> Level 3 [ WORK ]
> -> Level 4 [ RECORDING ]
> |_> Level 1 [ ARTIST ] -> Level 2 [ COMPOSER ] -> Level 3 [ WORK ]
> -> Level 4 [ RECORDING ]
> |_> Level 1 [ ] -> Level 2 [ ] -> Level 3 [ ] -> Level 4 [ ]
> 2. Menu name [ ] 
> |_> Level 1 [ ] -> Level 2 [ ] -> Level 3 [ ] -> Level 4 [ ]
> 
> and then automatically includes the custom tags used here in the scan
> and builds the menus. But it's progressing very slowly as I'm just
> learning perl.
Interesting.  How do you define 'RECORDING'?  I use 'WORK ARTIST' as
conductor in symphonies,  soloist in Concertos and Vocal works, and so
on.  I do have several recordings by the same Work Artist on the same
Work, but I live with it.  The track info includes the year (I use year
of recording, NOT the album year which I don't care about), which
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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How to use Virtual Libraries in LMS 7.9

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erland wrote: 
> Which custom tags scanned with Custom Scan plugins are used with your
> menus ? Is it just WORK and MOVEMENT ?
> 
> Do you use all 22 menus or is there some you can live without ?
> 
> 
> 
> Completely agree, that’s why I said that I think customizing Custom
> Browse SQL configuration to use virtual libraries is wasted time. People
> that rely on Custom Browse/Custom Scan need to specify more clearly how
> they use them so it’s possible for someone to implement new
> functionality in LMS core or new third party plugin to offer the
> required functionality. A new plugin for classic music with the most
> important features could make sense, I’m pretty sure there are more
> people interested in this. It can be significantly more hard coded
> compared to Custom Browse/Custom Scan which means less code/work, as
> long as people interested in classical music can agree what’s needed. I
> suspect adding support for classical music is going to be too much work
> to be included in LMS core but possibly some additions could be done in
> the core to make it easier for the plugin developer.
> 
> Using virtual library to separate classical music from all other music
> still makes sense but that does not solve your problem.
> 
> 
> I suspect the library id doesn’t change but Michael or someone else
> need to say for sure. However, I still think your best solution is to
> continue using Multi Library (as long as it works) if you need all these
> menus and instead spend the time to gather people interested in
> classical music and agree on which features that are missing today.
Thanks, agreed.

I have Custom Tags for Work, Movement, Work Artist, SetId (the number on
the LP/CD/etc), Source (CD, LP, DL for Download, etc), Rating, and
Created (date the entry was created in my library).  I also use Mixed
Tags.  The menus mainly use Work, Movement, Work Artist and Rating,
although I have another general one that searches by SetId.

I suspect that the first 5 and one or two others would work with library
views (particularly now we have Additional Browse Modes), but the rest
depend on custom (and mixed) tags.  They are, I think, fairly self
explanatory.  Composers by Artist provides a search by (Track) Artist,
to Composer, to Works, to Movements  The track rating Works and
Movements are based on 90+ being top rated,  80+ being rated, and 60
being 'to be investigated' (new stuff I haven't got round to enough).
Menus generally allow me to Play All once the likely number of tracks
might be manageable (but that doesn't always work out well!).

I use most of the menus below Browse depending on what I feel like or
what takes my fancy.

I have 28,000+ classical tracks, and 3,200+ others.  Retagging according
to another plan would be really quite difficult.  All my tagging is done
with the help of quite extensive programming in the taggers (puddletag
and Mp3tag).  For instance, Work and Movement are combined to make
title, and also the file name. Sort forms of most tags are created,
taking account of all the usual issues to do with prefixes like 'The'
and so on.  There are additional tags for use with MinimServer so that
it can at least recognise Works (as Groups), acting as a backup to LMS. 
foobar2000 can also make some sense of it all.  

I have to ignore manufacturer's tags because they are so inconsistent. 
I am nerd enough to want Beethoven's Symphony number 9 to always be Work
"Symphony No.9 in Dmi Op.125", and each movement to always have the
exact same name, eg "Symphony No.9 in Dmi Op.125 - 1. Allegro ma non
troppo, un poco maestoso" .  That way I can select that Work by name and
find all performances by each Work Artist.  I also have to change Album
Names to a consistent form so that I can skim through them "Composer -
Work(s) - Work Artist(s)" (clearly that doesn't work for mixed composer
albums, but it helps for others). That's one of the reasons why I keep
the original SetId.  

Looking at Library Views again I'm not sure I can find a way to find
everything that isn't classical.  The problem is that all Classical
tracks also have other genres, so 'not Classical' returns everything.

As I may have said on another thread my listening is becoming limited
due to hearing problems.   I don't know if I could put in the required
effort to specify and/or develop something new.  What we have for the
moment works really, really well.  I would guess that everyone else with
some interest in this sort of thing would have their own ideas and
thousands of tracks already tagged, so getting agreement might be
tricky, to say the least.

I suspect I am an outlier.

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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How to use Virtual Libraries in LMS 7.9

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erland wrote: 
> I think we need to clear up a few things to avoid confusion, there are
> probably two parts of this if you like to replace my
> MultiLibrary/CustomBrowse plugins:
> 
> 1. To create the library contents (=fill the library_tracks table), can
> be done in at least three ways as suggested earlier I this thread. The
> easiest way is to just do an advance search and select to save it as a
> library, the other two ways mentioned requires some hacking and writing
> raw SQL statement.
> 
> 2. To create menus that is able to browse the library. This is done
> automatically by LMS as long as you don’t want any customized behavior
> in the menus except limiting content to the library you have created.
> However, for some people limiting content isn’t enough because they have
> also used Custom Browse plugin to customize the behavior of the menus.
> In this case you would need to create the Custom Browse menus you like
> for each library and the menu configuration needs to be customized by
> editing the Custom Browse menu configuration XML/SQL to join with
> library_tracks instead of multilibrary_track. You will need to hardcode
> the library id each menu should use in each SQL used in the
> configuration of each menu. Since I haven’t used LMS 7.9 or later I
> don’t know if the library id used in library_tracks is displayed in LMS
> web interface or if you need to pick it up from prefs file or
> library_tracks table, either way it’s a manual moment to check which
> library id a created library got after creating the library.
> Theoretically you can do a menu template in Custom Browse so you will be
> able to create the menu by just specifying the library id in one place
> for each menu/library but then we are pretty deep into Custom Browse so
> you really need to know what you are doing and need to understand the
> template language used in addition to XML/SQL. There is no user
> interface in Custom Browse to create new menu templates so if like to
> create a template you would have to use a text editor and save he
> template xml/template file in the template directory you have configured
> in Custom Browse.
> 
> I don’t think the id for a library changes when you do a rescan but
> someone who have used LMS 7.9 or later have to tell for sure. If it
> changes every rescan it won’t work with the Custom Browse plugin.
> 
> Having said this, I think it’s suitable for people who have previously
> used Multi Library plugin to limit content in menus to check if they can
> use the built-in virtual library functionality without relying on Custom
> Browse. 
> 
> If you have also customized the behavior of the menus so you still need
> to use Custom Browse plugin in step 2 above I’m not sure it’s worth the
> effort. In this case I think it’s important to say what’s missing in the
> standard menu behavior so it can be improved in LMS core or provided by
> a new simple plugin rather than continuing to rely on Custom Browse,
> preferably a discussion for a separate thread in beta section of the
> forum. The reason for this is that Custom Browse is no longer supported
> in LMS 8.* and can basically break at any time, so spending a lot of
> work on Custom Browse menu configuration seems like wasted time to me.
> Would be a lot better to discuss the improvements needed in the standard
> menus to get rid of the need to use Custom Browse plugin. Michael might
> not want to include everything in LMS core but if there are more people
> interested in the same thing someone might be willing to implement a
> plugin for it. Making a plugin that provides one or several specific
> menus can be a lot easier today compared to what was needed when Custom
> Browse was developed so in some cases it’s not going to be a huge job
> for someone willing to write some Perl code.
> 
> 
> As mentioned above I think this is manual work, just pickup the id for
> each library by reading the prefs file or database (unless it’s
> displayed in LMS web interface)
Thanks Erland.  My basic problem is that I play mostly classical music. 
It seems few people try to tag such music in any comprehensive way,
retaining the concept of an Album, but adding Work as a series of
Movements.  Since I have Works, I need Work Artists - the primary
performers in Works. I have done all this, using some of your ideas from
many years ago.  Custom Browse and Custom Scan have been essential in
this process, plus multi-library to differentiate classical (i.e.
potentially multi-movement) pieces from other types of music.   

I have 22 menu items on my classical menu, some of which are fairly
straight copies of your suggested menus, and some of which could be
derived from standard menus with library views, but many simply can't
without my own SQL.   See below for a list.  Many of these go via Works
to Movements.

Using a fixed value for the library view id is rather impractical with
so many multi-level menus.  If it changed for any reason, a rescan or
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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How to use Virtual Libraries in LMS 7.9

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I'm looking whether I could, or should, try to move my SQL queries that
use erland's multi-library to use virtualLibraries.  I've looked at the
4 SQL tables, and reckon I understand them.  I've also looked at the
prefs. and found an ID for a library view I have created.  I also know
the name.  So far so good.

However, I have no idea how to know the prefs vlid for the named library
view I want in my sql statements so that I can match tracks to the
library_track rows I want to use.   In multi-library there's an SQL
table with my named libraries in it with IDs, so I can create SQL
statements returning what I want.  

How would I do that with the prefs?



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How does Advanced Search work?

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Pommes wrote: 
> It is working now, heres the complete sql text, which works in Erlands
> great Plugin SQL Playlist:
> 
> -- PlaylistName:DANCE PARTY
> -- PlaylistGroups:
> select tracks.url from tracks
>   left join dynamicplaylist_history on
>   tracks.id=dynamicplaylist_history.id and
> dynamicplaylist_history.client='PlaylistPlayer'
>   join albums on
>   tracks.album=albums.id and
>   albums.title LIKE '%DANCE%'
> OR
> 
> tracks.album=albums.id and
>   albums.title LIKE '%PARTY%'
>   
>   where
>   tracks.audio=1
>   and dynamicplaylist_history.id is null
>   group by tracks.id
>   order by random()
>   limit 10;
> 
> 
> Thank you for the right hint!
> 
> Regards
> Pommes

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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How does Advanced Search work?

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Pommes wrote: 
> Nope, the % just includes letters before or after the word...
When you say it doesn't work, what precisely happens?  Do you get an
error, or just nothing back?  If LIKE '%PARTY%' works, then assuming
this is standard SQL the OR LIKE ... should also work.  Are there error
messages in the LMS log?  Other syntaxes might work (eg using the IN
keyword).  I haven't be able to try this myself as yet.



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How does Advanced Search work?

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Pommes wrote: 
> Thank you,
> i tried this, but it doesnt work:-(
With % round the DANCE?



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How does Advanced Search work?

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Pommes wrote: 
> If i try to use customize sql in sql playlist, what would i need to use
> for OR?
> 
> For example i use: albums.title LIKE '%PARTY%'  , this gives me the list
> of albums including the letters PARTY.
> But if i would like a list of albums including PARTY OR DANCE, what
> would i need to use?
> Maybe you know this?
> I tried '%PARTY%'||'DANCE'
> but that didnt work:-(
Not sure about sql playlist customization but why not try

albums.title LIKE '%PARTY%' OR albums.title LIKE 'DANCE'



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Installing plugins without regard to max version

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erland wrote: 
> I’m sure most of them would come here and ask for help anyway and then
> someone can help them troubleshoot. A list of unsupported plugins that
> have been verified to work in the LMS plugins tab isn’t going to help
> them anyway because the probable cause is one of the plugins that don’t
> work and that will not even be in the unsupported list. Looking at
> maxVersion in install.xml won’t help them since it at least for my
> plugins will look like they are going to work forever since I’ve set
> maxVersion to *. Looking at maxTarget in repository files might work but
> that’s a significant change in LMS source code and I’d personally prefer
> if that time instead was spent on implementing music related
> functionality or fixing bugs in broken plugins.
> 
> 
> It would be something separate, not a part of LMS, so it would of course
> be available before, during and after an upgrade. You can look at it as
> a table on a web page with a row for each available plugin and a column
> for each LMS release and an x in each table cell combination that works.
> Someone would still have to create such matrix (maybe you if you see a
> need for it?) but what I’m saying is that it’s unnecessary that Michael
> spend time on it since it’s totally separate from LMS source code.
> 
> 
> That’s good :-)

OK - sounds fine to me.



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Installing plugins without regard to max version

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erland wrote: 
> The problem is that neither maxVersion in install.xml nor maxTarget in
> repository.xml can be reliably used for this since different plugin
> developers uses them differently. It’s also too late to get the
> information after LMS have been upgraded because there isn’t any easy
> way to go back without restoring backups and it wouldn’t solve the
> scenario when a plugin is incompatible with the new LMS version and
> doesn’t even load properly.
> 
> What you really want is a compatibility matrix which you can check
> before upgrading LMS to use as a base for the decision to upgrade LMS or
> not. A compatibility matrix could be generated based on repository files
> but as mentioned above it really has to be manually updated to be 100%
> correct since maxVersion in repository files are used differently by
> different developers. However, maybe a generated based on repository
> files are better than an outdated manually updated version. A
> compatibility matrix doesn’t have to be integrated with LMS and doesn’t
> have to be written in Perl so there is no reason for Michael to spend
> time on it, anyone in the community with development skills should be
> able to implement one. 
> 
> I think it’s time for Michael to get back to implement supported
> functionality rather than spend more time to improve stuff related to
> unsupported plugins.
Given the sheer number of plugins, I wonder how many will look at this. 
Upgrading has, in the past, usually been easy and of little concern, to
me at least.  There might be quite a few people out there unaware that
such issues can exist at all until they hit them.

Would the matrix be available even after upgrading, to see if some
problem could be related to versions?

Personally I always keep a back version or two of LMS anyway, and
detailed notes on what I've done, so downgrading isn't that hard for me.



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Installing plugins without regard to max version

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mherger wrote: 
> > With this method would a user upgrading 7.x to 8 see that an
> installed
> > plugin might not be well tested under 8?
> 
> No, this wouldn't have any impact on existing installations.
> 
> -- 
> 
> Michael
I think some form of warning/information needs to be given somewhow,
even if just a max version recommendation on the active plugin list.



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Installing plugins without regard to max version

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mherger wrote: 
> 
> .So what I suggest:
> 
> - we create a repository file in the LMS-Community github org. 
> Contributors who've somewhat tested a plugin can add what they know to 
> be working to that file.
> 
> - this repository file would have a community (not author) provided 
> maxVersion. Again this is to have a minimum guaranteed compatibility.
> 
> - LMS would have a flag to include that repository or not which would 
> also be used to ignore the install.xml's maxVersion.
> 
> This would give us a minimum quality check before the uninformed user 
> can install a breaking/broken plugin easily. And it should make sure a 
> plugin does not break LMS accidentally.
> 
> At the same time this should keep LMS side changes minimal.
> 
> Thoughts?
> 
> Michael
With this method would a user upgrading 7.x to 8 see that an installed
plugin might not be well tested under 8?



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Installing plugins without regard to max version

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bpa wrote: 
> I have a concern that these warning are a bit weak.
> 
> There have been old plugins (ickStream?) which cause problems with LMS
> operations.  
> 
> A user may not realise a plugin is old/ no longer viable but after
> installation LMS becomes unstable.
> 
> The warning should not just be "unsupported" - it need a bit more
> conviction such as "and may break LMS operations"
It depends on the individual's attitude to such things I guess.

A bigger issue, for me at least, is that if you upgrade from 7.x to 8,
with one or more such plugins already installed, you won't see any
warning at all.  In such cases maybe the 'Active' Plugins list needs to
be split into two as well (and Material Skin might need amending to show
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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Installing plugins without regard to max version

[PasTim]

Something like:

Include a new list of plugins below the standard 3rd party plugins list,
entitled "WARNING - 3rd Party Plugins not guaranteed to work under LMS
8"



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Logitech Media Server 8.0.0 released!

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bpa wrote: 
> As the plugin with 7.* are not presented to an LMS 8.* installation -
> the non compliant plugins could be placed in a repository list separate
> from "3rd Party Plugins" such as - "3rd party plugins - at your peril"
Agreed.



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Logitech Media Server 8.0.0 released!

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BosseJ wrote: 
> I think the decision to focus support and development efforts to version
> 8.x only is a sound one. But with regard to the issue of older plugins
> not maintained and the "max version" parameter in these, can we not
> simply delegate the decision to install these old plugins by means of a
> new preference setting that controls whether the "max version" parameter
> is honored or not? It is already possible to force an installation
> manually (after editing some file in the module). If the default
> preference is "honor the module setting" it would require a conscious (I
> hope) decision by the user to override it.
Good idea.  It would need to control which plugins show up. Could the
7.9 ones appear in a separate list, below the 3rd party section, marked
as such with 'here be dragons'.



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Logitech Media Server 8.0.0 released!

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mherger wrote: 
> > As I understand it LMS 7.9.4 is now just getting maintenance fixes.
> 
> Nope, there will be no more updates to 7.9.4.
> 
> > My question is whether, in the long term, LMS 8 will be the only
> version
> > being maintained.
> 
> It already is.
> 
> > The reason I'm asking is because some plugins have not been, and may
> > never be, fully tested under version 8, and I'm wondering whether to
> > take the plunge soon and try to fix or bypass any issues that come
> up,
> > or not.  I don't think I 'need' any of the new LMS 8 features, as
> yet.
> 
> Erland has discussed this quite extensively. But TBH: I believe that if
> 
> a plugin has not been fully tested with LMS 8, as you put it, it hasn't
> 
> been tested with 7.9 either. It's just been a smaller version change, 
> and the install manifest had "7.*" as the maxVersion, because nothing 
> bigger was thought of those years ago. These plugins are left to the 
> community (or in the void).
> 
> Give it a try. Most likely all you'll need to do is download and extract
> 
> the plugin file yourself. And who knows? Somebody might take over 
> ownership or maintenance of that plugin and will update the maxVersion 
> string in the manifest.
> 
> -- 
> 
> Michael
Ok - Thanks.  

I was assuming your comment in the 7.9.3 thread in September ("I've
created a 7.9.4 branch, which might see the random bug fix and nightly
builds. Don't expect much activity there.") still applied.  

I guess the more of us make the move, the more quickly any wrinkles may
get found and ironed out.

Message received! :)



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Logitech Media Server 8.0.0 released!

[PasTim]

As I understand it LMS 7.9.4 is now just getting maintenance fixes.  

My question is whether, in the long term, LMS 8 will be the only version
being maintained.

The reason I'm asking is because some plugins have not been, and may
never be, fully tested under version 8, and I'm wondering whether to
take the plunge soon and try to fix or bypass any issues that come up,
or not.  I don't think I 'need' any of the new LMS 8 features, as yet.

I would like to note that it's amazing that LMS has lasted as long as it
has out of the hands of Logitech.  I am most grateful to Michael and the
many plugin maintainers for all the work that they have done and still
do.  This includes some who have taken over maintenance of plugins that
the originator has stopped supporting.



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] C-3PO plugin, a trnscoding helper.

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marcoc1712 wrote: 
> Hi sorry to not being responsive in those days,  but too bad I miss time
> for hobbies.
> 
> BTW
> 
> the exe file is the same as the executable C-3PO.PL in linux. Is
> involved when you select more than one possible output sample rate
> depending on input.
> 
> Obviously is supposed to work..., if not, my fault. I'll have a look.
> 
> The workaround is to just select only one output sample rate, like
> that:
> 
Just glad to hear you are OK, in these troubled times :)



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] C-3PO plugin, a trnscoding helper.

[PasTim]

Gobuleberbu wrote: 
> Hi!!  little question for you, you seem to be able to use c3po with any
> type of input.  How have you done that?  I've tried on raspbian and on
> my mac but I just don't have those formats..  Am I missing something?
Are faad and flac installed?  What input types do you have?



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CR603 UPnP renderers.  
Also Minimserver & Upplay to same & to upmpdcli/mpd PC renderers.  
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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] C-3PO plugin, a trnscoding helper.

[PasTim]

amatala wrote: 
> Well until this gets solved properly, I have just hacked into the plugin
> and forced that test to always pass.
> So far it seems to be working fine for me and generating the commands
> that I needed to see, so all good :p
> 
> 
> > 
Code:

  >   > sub _testC3PO{
  > my $self = shift;
  > 
  > my $exe = $EnvironmentHelper->testC3POEXE();
  > my $pl  = 0;
  > 
  > if (!$exe){
  > 
  > if (main::ISWINDOWS){
  > 
  > #not requested anymore 2.03.01
  > 
  > #require Plugins::C3PO::WindowsDownloader; 
  > #Plugins::C3PO::WindowsDownloader->download($self);
  > #$C3POisDownloading=1;
  > }
  > 
  > $pl= $EnvironmentHelper->testC3POPL();
  > }
  > 
  > ..  
  > 
  > 
  > $log->warn('WARNING: C3PO will not start on call: ');
  > $log->warn('WARNING: Perl path: '.$EnvironmentHelper->pathToPerl());
  > $log->warn('WARNING: C-3PO.pl path: 
'.$EnvironmentHelper->pathToC3PO_pl());
  > $log->warn('WARNING: C-3PO path: 
'.$EnvironmentHelper->pathToC3PO_exe());
  > 
  > #return 0;
  > return 'exe';
  > }
  > 

> >  
Well done.  I assume the only change (in Plugin.pm) is the commenting
out of the "return 0" and adding "return 'exe'"?



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CR603 UPnP renderers.  
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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] C-3PO plugin, a trnscoding helper.

[PasTim]

bpa wrote: 
> All modules use it when scanning the headers of an audio stream or file.
> Some use it implicitly (I.e called as part of LMS Scan remote header of
> a HTTP radio stream) or like PlayHLS with own scanner  as audio stream
> may have tags etc. 
> 
> It is not just Scan.pm it is also Scan.so. With LMS for Windows they are
> built in and can't be changed - they'll work or not.
> 
> IIRC Michael had a big discussion recently (?) where someone had
> multiple copies of Scan.pm on the Perl paths and seemed to cause similar
> errors.  For example, a 3rd party plugin with a Scan.pm may cause an
> error if version mismatch
Thanks. I guess it will have to wait until marco is able to help.  I
hope he's OK.



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CR603 UPnP renderers.  
Also Minimserver & Upplay to same & to upmpdcli/mpd PC renderers.  
Squeezelite to Meridian USB Explorer DAC to PC speakers/headphones.  
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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] C-3PO plugin, a trnscoding helper.

[PasTim]

bpa wrote: 
> Don't think Audio::Scan has been updated on Windows see
> https://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?109894-Audio-Scan-version-1-02=943287=1#post943287
I don't know what plugins etc use that module, and whether the updates
are needed for this plugin on 7.9.2/3.  In Marco's absence how could one
find out?



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CR603 UPnP renderers.  
Also Minimserver & Upplay to same & to upmpdcli/mpd PC renderers.  
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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] C-3PO plugin, a trnscoding helper.

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amatala wrote: 
> I am having exactly the same issue on 7.9.2. Just did a complete removal
> of 7.9.3, including all preferences and then installed 7.9.2 from
> scratch and added C3PO plugin:
> 
> > 
Code:

  >   > 
  > [20-05-20 12:22:14.8864] Plugins::C3PO::Plugin::initPlugin (150) initPlugin
  > [20-05-20 12:22:14.9039] Plugins::C3PO::EnvironmentHelper::_getSoxVersion 
(310) Sox path  is: 
C:\PROGRA~1\SQUEEZ~1\server\Bin\MSWin32-x86-multi-thread\sox.exe
  > [20-05-20 12:22:14.9040] Plugins::C3PO::EnvironmentHelper::_getSoxVersion 
(311) Sox version is: 140403
  > [20-05-20 12:22:14.9219] 
Plugins::C3PO::PreferencesHelper::_getCurrentVersion (515) C-3PO version is: 
20302
  > [20-05-20 12:22:14.9220] Plugins::C3PO::PreferencesHelper::_init (79) Prefs 
version: 20302
  > [20-05-20 12:22:14.9595] Plugins::C3PO::CapabilityHelper::new (129) 
unlimitedDsdRate  : 0
  > [20-05-20 12:22:14.9596] Plugins::C3PO::CapabilityHelper::new (133) 
isSoxDsdCapable  : 1
  > [20-05-20 12:22:14.9602] Plugins::C3PO::CapabilityHelper::new (134) 
supported codecs  : (
  > "pcm",
  > { unlisted => 1 },
  > "loc",
  > { unlisted => 1 },
  > "alc",
  > {
  > defaultEnableSeek  => 0,
  > defaultEnableStdin => 0,
  > defaultEnabled => 1,
  > supported  => 1,
  > },
  > "dff",
  > {
  > defaultEnableSeek  => 0,
  > defaultEnableStdin => 0,
  > defaultEnabled => 0,
  > supported  => 1,
  > },
  > "flc",
  > {
  > defaultEnableSeek  => 0,
  > defaultEnableStdin => 1,
  > defaultEnabled => 1,
  > supported  => 1,
  > },
  > "aif",
  > {
  > defaultEnableSeek  => 0,
  > defaultEnableStdin => 0,
  > defaultEnabled => 1,
  > supported  => 1,
  > },
  > "dsf",
  > {
  > defaultEnableSeek  => 0,
  > defaultEnableStdin => 0,
  > defaultEnabled => 0,
  > supported  => 1,
  > },
  > "wav",
  > {
  > defaultEnableSeek  => 1,
  > defaultEnableStdin => 0,
  > defaultEnabled => 1,
  > supported  => 1,
  > },
  > )
  > [20-05-20 12:22:14.9603] Plugins::C3PO::CapabilityHelper::new (135) 
unlimitedDsdRate  : 0
  > [20-05-20 12:22:14.9606] Plugins::C3PO::Plugin::_initCodecs (823) 
_initCodecs
  > [20-05-20 12:22:14.9607] 
Plugins::C3PO::PreferencesHelper::_getCurrentVersion (515) C-3PO version is: 
20302
  > [20-05-20 12:22:14.9608] Plugins::C3PO::PreferencesHelper::_init (79) Prefs 
version: 20302
  > [20-05-20 12:22:14.9608] Plugins::C3PO::Plugin::_initCodecs (836) 
_refreshCodecs
  > [20-05-20 12:22:14.9610] Plugins::C3PO::Plugin::_initCodecs (845) Refreshed 
codecs   : { aif => "on", alc => "on", dff => "on", dsf => "on", flc => 
"on", wav => "on" }
  > [20-05-20 12:22:14.9614] Plugins::C3PO::EnvironmentHelper::testC3POEXE 
(142) command: 
C":\PROGRA~1\SQUEEZ~1\server\Bin\MSWin32-x86-multi-thread\C-3PO.exe" -h hello 
-l "C:\ProgramData\Squeezebox\Logs" -x "C:/PROGRA~1/SQUEEZ~1/server"
  > [20-05-20 12:22:15.1805] Plugins::C3PO::EnvironmentHelper::testC3POEXE 
(150) WARNING: 2304
  > [20-05-20 12:22:15.1912] Slim::Utils::Misc::msg (1255) Warning: 
[12:22:15.1911] Use of uninitialized value $pathToPerl in -e at 
C:\ProgramData\Squeezebox\Cache\InstalledPlugins/Plugins/C3PO/EnvironmentHelper.pm
 line 168.
  > [20-05-20 12:22:15.1913] Plugins::C3PO::Plugin::_testC3PO (1134) WARNING: 
C3PO will not start on call: 
  > [20-05-20 12:22:15.2015] Slim::Utils::Misc::msg (1255) Warning: 
[12:22:15.2015] Use of uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string at 
C:\ProgramData\Squeezebox\Cache\InstalledPlugins/Plugins/C3PO/Plugin.pm line 
1135.
  > [20-05-20 12:22:15.2016] Plugins::C3PO::Plugin::_testC3PO (1135) WARNING: 
Perl path: 
  > [20-05-20 12:22:15.2017] Plugins::C3PO::Plugin::_testC3PO (1136) WARNING: 
C-3PO.pl path: 
C:\ProgramData\Squeezebox\Cache\InstalledPlugins\Plugins\C3PO\C-3PO.pl
  > [20-05-20 12:22:15.2019] Plugins::C3PO::Plugin::_testC3PO (1137) WARNING: 
C-3PO path: C:\PROGRA~1\SQUEEZ~1\server\Bin\MSWin32-x86-multi-thread\C-3PO.exe
  > [20-05-20 12:22:15.2021] 
Plugins::C3PO::PreferencesHelper::_getCurrentVersion (515) C-3PO version is: 
20302
  > [20-05-20 12:22:15.2022] Plugins::C3PO::PreferencesHelper::_init (79) Prefs 
version: 20302
  > [20-05-20 12:22:15.3856] Plugins::C3PO::Plugin::initPlugin (197) 
  > 

> > 
> 
> 
> > 
Code:

  >   > 
  > C:\>C":\PROGRA~1\SQUEEZ~1\server\Bin\MSWin32-x86-multi-thread\C-3PO.exe" -h 
hello -l "C:\ProgramData\Squeezebox\Logs" -x "C:/PROGRA~1/SQUEEZ~1/server"
  > Use of uninitialized value in do "file" at C:/Perl/site/lib/PAR.pm line 636.
  > Can't locate Audio/Scan.pm in @INC (@INC contains: 
C:\PROGRA~1\SQUEEZ~1\server\CPAN\arch\5.14\MSWin32-x86-multi-thread 
C:\PROGRA~1\SQUEEZ~1\server\CPAN\arch\5.14\MSWin32-x86-multi-thread\auto 
C:\PROGRA~1\SQUEEZ~1\server\CPAN\arch\5.14.1\MSWin32-x86-multi-thread 
C:\PROGRA~1\SQUEEZ~1\server\CPAN\arch\5.14.1\MSWin32-x86-multi-thread\auto 
C:\PROGRA~1\SQUEEZ~1\server\CPAN\arch\5.14\MSWin32-x86-multi-thread 

Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] C-3PO plugin, a trnscoding helper.

[PasTim]

slartibartfast wrote: 
> Seems strange that the author was active every day until February 10th
> and than nothing since.

Marco lives a fair way towards the North in Italy (he says in his
signature that he lives in Albinea).  As I am sure everyone knows,
things have been very tough there.

I just hope he is well.  marcoc1712 - keep well and safe!

As I understand it, very little that his plugin does can't be done by
modifying custom-convert.conf files oneself.  This may be a time for
many of us to find out (or try to remember in my case) how to do this. 


Meanwhile for amatala, maybe trying going back to LMS 7.9.2?  One line
says it can't find "Audio.scan/pm" which looks serious to me.  Maybe
something not right in the Windows 10 LMS installation?



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LMS plugin UPnP/DLNA Bridge to MF M1 CLiC (A308CR amp & ESLs) & Marantz
CR603 UPnP renderers.  
Also Minimserver & Upplay to same & to upmpdcli/mpd PC renderers.  
Squeezelite to Meridian USB Explorer DAC to PC speakers/headphones.  
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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] C-3PO plugin, a trnscoding helper.

[PasTim]

DomieMic65 wrote: 
> Thank you for your reply!
> It doesn’t work.
> When having STDIN not selected, playing local files, and all the
> frequencies but 44.1 selected the player (Squeezelite R2) does not play.
To help Marco work out what is going on it can help to supply more
information:

What was the last executed command when you try this?  
Are there any error messages in LMS or Squeezelite logs? 
Is it a true R2 Squeezelite (if not you may need the -W command line
option)?



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CR603 UPnP renderers.  
Also Minimserver & Upplay to same & to upmpdcli/mpd PC renderers.  
Squeezelite to Meridian USB Explorer DAC to PC speakers/headphones.  
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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] C-3PO plugin, a trnscoding helper.

[PasTim]

marcoc1712 wrote: 
> A new version (v.2.02.20) is out and there is no more need for any repo
> string, please install directly from the 3th partuy plugin list.
> 
> 
> It has been tested on Linux and Windows and it should work also in ARM
> and MacOs.
> 
> With Gentoo with Perl 5.30 on ARM hardware des not works, but this is
> becouse there is not yet CPAN in LMS for that arch.
> 
> As usual, please report any problem.
> 
> Marco
All works well with my somewhat limited usage on linux.



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LMS plugin UPnP/DLNA Bridge to MF M1 CLiC (A308CR amp & ESLs) & Marantz
CR603 UPnP renderers.  
Also Minimserver & Upplay to same & to upmpdcli/mpd PC renderers.  
Squeezelite to Meridian USB Explorer DAC to PC speakers/headphones.  
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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Logitech Media Server 7.9.2 released

[PasTim]

TryBox wrote: 
> The Changelog says 'Version 7.9.2 - 2019-01-14 (25af5bf32)'
> This is 2020!
Remember when we used to write cheques all the time, and for a few weeks
would get the year wrong on each one and have them rejected? :)



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LMS plugin UPnP/DLNA Bridge to MF M1 CLiC (A308CR amp & ESLs) & Marantz
CR603 UPnP renderers.  
Also Minimserver & Upplay to same & to upmpdcli/mpd PC renderers.  
Squeezelite to Meridian USB Explorer DAC to PC speakers/headphones.  
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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Logitech Media Server 7.9.2 released

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gorman wrote: 
> ...
> 2) I have an album in opus, files are *.opus. Scanner is not picking
> them up. Is there something specific I need to do? I'll activate debug
> for the scanner and report back for this, but maybe I'm overlooking
> something
It seems this has been asked before.  See
https://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?107011-Howto-play-Ogg-Opus-files/page2;



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CR603 UPnP renderers.  
Also Minimserver & Upplay to same & to upmpdcli/mpd PC renderers.  
Squeezelite to Meridian USB Explorer DAC to PC speakers/headphones.  
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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Logitech Media Server 7.9.2 released

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kidstypike wrote: 
> Presets are the physical buttons (1-6) on a Boom or Radio, you can
> assign a Favourite/Track/Album/ect. to one of these buttons. You can
> also do this on a Touch, but it's a bit convoluted.
Thanks very much. 

Only ever having had a Touch this feature has not come to my notice. I'm
really impressed that Michael and others are still improving LMS in so
many ways.



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LMS plugin UPnP/DLNA Bridge to MF M1 CLiC (A308CR amp & ESLs) & Marantz
CR603 UPnP renderers.  
Also Minimserver & Upplay to same & to upmpdcli/mpd PC renderers.  
Squeezelite to Meridian USB Explorer DAC to PC speakers/headphones.  
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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Logitech Media Server 7.9.2 released

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Tony T wrote: 
> Thanks! 
> I like the pre-set editor, nice!
> (BTW, I needed to edit the Prevent Standby Plugin to keep my Mac mini
> awake (change caffeinate -i to -s in
> /Library/PreferencePanes/Squeezebox.prefPane/Contents/server/Slim/Plugin/PreventStandby/OSX.pm)
What is a pre-set and why would you want to edit it? (Apologies for
being so dim, but I really have no idea).



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Touchs & EDO.
LMS plugin UPnP/DLNA Bridge to MF M1 CLiC (A308CR amp & ESLs) & Marantz
CR603 UPnP renderers.  
Also Minimserver & Upplay to same & to upmpdcli/mpd PC renderers.  
Squeezelite to Meridian USB Explorer DAC to PC speakers/headphones.  
Wireless Xubuntu 18.04 laptop firefox/upplay or Android 'phone with
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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Logitech Media Server 7.9.2 released

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d6jg wrote: 
> +1
> 
> Its probably about time that we all revisited Michael's web site and
> followed the donate link at the bottom -
> http://www.herger.net/slim/index.html
Too true.



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LMS plugin UPnP/DLNA Bridge to MF M1 CLiC (A308CR amp & ESLs) & Marantz
CR603 UPnP renderers.  
Also Minimserver & Upplay to same & to upmpdcli/mpd PC renderers.  
Squeezelite to Meridian USB Explorer DAC to PC speakers/headphones.  
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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Logitech Media Server 7.9.2 released

[PasTim]

Thanks so much for all your work Michael.  So many of us rely on LMS,
and hence you, for the music that's means so much to us.



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] C-3PO plugin, a trnscoding helper.

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marcoc1712 wrote: 
> Back in 2012 0.93  was the standard and it was unable to read DSF and
> DFF files, So I introduced 0.95.
> 
> The problem is that C-3PO to run in windows has to be an executable
> (becouse of iindBin procedure in LMS), so you need to pack it with PAR
> or similar. Problem is that LMS needs to use PERL 15.4.1 that is very
> old, and PAR module that I could find are for 1.24.x  
> 
> I faced the same problem also in 2012, I spent a lot of time but,
> finally, I arranged to produce a working executable, but I changed my
> development machine few times since then... so I'l have to do it again.
> 
> If someone has a win machine with the correct PAR installed and could
> pass it to me it will help!
The perl on my linux machine is 5.26.1.  I'm not sure where your 15.4.1
version come from.  Is that an LMS on windows issue?


Logitech Media Server Version: 7.9.2 - 1567524015 @ Tue Sep 3 17:46:28
CEST 2019
Hostname: vortexbox
Server IP Address: 10.99.55.10
Server HTTP Port Number: 9000
Operating system: Debian - EN - utf8
Platform Architecture: x86_64-linux
Perl Version: 5.26.1 - x86_64-linux-gnu-thread-multi
Audio::Scan: 0.95
IO::Socket::SSL: 2.060
Database Version: DBD::SQLite 1.58 (sqlite 3.22.0)
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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] C-3PO plugin, a trnscoding helper.

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Huey11 wrote: 
> ...
> Only when I check only 176400 or 192000 (resulting command mentions the
> explicit one target sample rate) I get sound again...
> 
> So is my expectation that the source file is inspected, a multiple that
> matches the highest target sample rate allowed is chosen (ie 176400 for
> 44.1/88.2, 192000 for 48/96) and used as as target sample rate wrong?
> 
> And if not: where am I going wrong in my settings?
I never quite got this sorted either.



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] C-3PO plugin, a trnscoding helper.

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ralphy wrote: 
> The repository is down again.
> 
> 'Github' (https://github.com/marcoc1712/C-3PO) has 2.02.11 from
> September 2017.
> 
> Is that the current version?
> 
> If not, could someone zip the latest C3PO plugin from their
> cache/InstalledPlugins/Plugins folder for me please?
Not sure, but here's mine.


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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] C-3PO plugin, a trnscoding helper.

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paul- wrote: 
> Earlier in this thread, it was stated C3PO is really not compatible with
> LMS 7.9.2.  Not sure if the reasons why.  
> 
> If you are only using squeezelite devices, there is no reason to
> resample server side.  Squeezelite can handle resampling  needs.   Even
> a RPI zero can resample  to 384k without significant CPU load.
Marco later agreed that it does indeed work with 7.9.2.

As to what C3PO can do, it can access the full capability of sox, which
squeezelite can't (as far as I know).  It therefore can apply all sorts
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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] C-3PO plugin, a trnscoding helper.

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jayce996 wrote: 
> yes and that's what i'm doing right now, but my original issue is that
> on LMS the C3PO plugin is not working , it says "Squeezelite version is
> non compliant (Squeezelite-R2). Unable to run C-3PO transcoder, fault
> back to PERL. See server log." so i'm not able to manage SOX upsampling
> for my PiCorePlayer.
> And strangely when i'm following 'Soundcheck '
> (https://soundcheck-audio.blogspot.com/2011/04/resampling-if-you-cant-avoid-it.html)blog
> and recommendation, i'm not able to make it work by just creating and
> editing the custom-convert.conf file. So i did a try with C3PO, but i'm
> now facing another issue.
> I'm stuck in the middle.
The -W option works when I use C3PO with Ralphy's squeezelite on my
laptop and desktop. It should for you provided you select the player
with that version of squeezelite.



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] C-3PO plugin, a trnscoding helper.

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jayce996 wrote: 
> anyone still parsing this thread?
If you have a look around you'll find
https://github.com/marcoc1712/squeezelite-R2/releases

Ralphy's squeezelite version is also compatible if you use the -W
switch.



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] C-3PO plugin, a trnscoding helper.

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marcoc1712 wrote: 
> Ooops... I was wrong, 7.9.2 it's ok, it needs 7.9.x to run.
> 
> Sorry for that.
> 
> BTW C-3PO is still available in Github for manual install.
:)



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] C-3PO plugin, a trnscoding helper.

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marcoc1712 wrote: 
> 7.9.2 is not suitable for C-3PO.
I've been running 7.9.2 with C-3PO for quite a long time.  What's the
issue?



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] C-3PO plugin, a trnscoding helper.

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marcoc1712 wrote: 
> Another thing you could try is brutefir.  You could then apply different
> EQ curves for different channels, but you miss gapless (you get a little
> glitch at every track transition).
Thanks.  I don't think different curves for left and right will help
much with loudspeakers, because my ears are very different, and on
loudspeakers what suits one doesn't suit the other, so I just have to go
with a curve for the best ear.  With headphones, however, it helps a
great deal, but I've got solutions for that at present.  I will look at
brutefir as a backup in case my other headphone solutions fail for my
flacs.  For aac radio I'll still need those solutions.



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Also Minimserver & Upplay to same & to upmpdcli/mpd PC renderers.  
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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] C-3PO plugin, a trnscoding helper.

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marcoc1712 wrote: 
> Yes is that way, but bit depth and format are not important.
> 
> Very good, let me know your findings.
> 
> Just two tricks: 
> 
> 1. Always use negative gain in rePhase and 
> 2. Always add some negative gain in C-3PO (3 or even 6db) and automatic
> headroom, that way you're sure to avoid clipping.  
> 
> Another thing to try is to enable mix settings (balance), putting 99 or
> less in left or right channel volume. Not sure and don't even ask me why
> or how, but seems to me fir and eq effects when used together with mix
> are more effective.

It does work.  However, because my mid to top end hearing loss is so bad
I have to apply a lot of equalisation to make it sound like real music
to me, and then no one else in the house can stand it.  I'll try to find
some sort of balance, but I suspect my days of listening to loudspeakers
are over.  Music over hearings aids sounds terrible, even good ones with
music settings.

Luckily I have some headphones that apply equalisation according to a
built-in hearing test, and can adjust left and right differently, and
that's the bets solution I have yet found.  I can also, instead, use
equalisation under alsa on my laptop to do something similar, although
not as good, with normal headphones.  I still use C-3PO with compand, to
reduce the bandwidth, otherwise I either can't hear the quiet bits, or
the loud sections are deafening (and hence make my hearing even worse).

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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] C-3PO plugin, a trnscoding helper.

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marcoc1712 wrote: 
> You could use any of the Additional effects BEFORE resampling or
> Additional effects AFTER resampling line, but you could not mix them,
> FIR filters are designed for a specific sample rate.
So if I resample always to, say, 24/96000 flac or wav, and put the
transformation in the 'after' line I should be OK, is that right?

I used Wine on linux to run rePhase and get a text file.  Now I need to
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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] C-3PO plugin, a trnscoding helper.

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marcoc1712 wrote: 
> The problem, for me, is to find the time to work on C-3PO these days,
> but I understand your request and It moves me more than an audiophile
> one, I'll see what I can do asap.
> 
> REW is Room Audio Wizard a tool to analyze room acoustic response and
> produce filters (EQ), rePhase is a tool that could transform parametric
> EQ settings (frequency, bandwidth, shape and amplitude) into FIR (Finite
> Impulse Response filters) that any convolver could apply to a digital
> signal. 
> 
> SOX includes a quite good convolver, another possibility is BruteFir,
> but require some more setup. Using C-3PO is as simple as putting: 
> 
> fir  "myFirFilter.txt" 
> 
> in the extra command line.
> 
> If you just want to use a parametric EQ interface, you just need
> rePhase, define the filters and then save them as "32/64 bits floats
> lines (TEXT)" as  showed in the attached picture.
> 
> 
Thanks.  This all looks a bit complex for a simple listener such as
myself - I've never heard of a 'convolver' or 'fir'. I'll have to look
into these tools.  I run everything on linux, so I'll have to play
around a bit to get things working for me (nothing quite as simple as
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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] C-3PO plugin, a trnscoding helper.

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marcoc1712 wrote: 
> To not support lossy formats was a choice at the really beginning, sure
> is possible. 
> I had the same problem with equalizer, I'd like to integrate the
> equalizer effect in the GUI, but I really advise you to have a look to
> the fir effect, fir are much more efficients than iir/equalizer, you
> could use rePhase to produce them, manually or starting from REW
> filetrs.
What are fir, rephase and rew?  I can't find them in the sox manual. 
Sorry for my ignorance.

aac would be very useful for me.  I know it's lossy, but in my case I'm
using sox to fix hearing problems that apply to all sound sources, not
to improve quality.



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] C-3PO plugin, a trnscoding helper.

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Is there any chance of supporting aac as an input format?  I listen to
the BBC iPlayer a fair bit, and want to use C-3PO effects, but because
my player (squeeze2upnp, not a squeezelite, but could also be a Touch)
supports aac it is sent straight through. If I disable aac as an input
format to my player, LMS converts to flac but C-3PO doesn't get a look
in.  Or is there another way to do this using custom-convert?  

Secondly, could the effects boxes be made quite a lot longer (eg twice
as long)?  I'm experimenting with equalizer effects to counter my
hearing loss but can't put many frequency in because the box is too
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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] C-3PO plugin, a trnscoding helper.

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marcoc1712 wrote: 
> SOX docs says -h provvide all the headroom you need to minimize clipping
> in all the effect chain, BUT I experienced situations where adding some
> extra headroom (negative gain) make it sound better. i.e. Balance (mix)
> effect is one of them. I'll have a try adding -6 db of gain.
> 
> 
> Compression is nice at low volume, but when louder it shows is own
> effects: it estroy the dynamic of music. I'm not aware of something like
> loudness for compression, so what you could do is prepare two or more
> different 'presets' at different level and recall them depending on the
> situation.
> 
> One way to do that is to 'name' two (or more) players with different mac
> address (and name), then change the mac address of squezelite (-m)
> accordingly, that way the server will use settings for that specific
> player (identified by the mac address). Is that easy.
Thanks.  I find the 'man' for sox very complicated.  There are so many
-h uses, on gain and other functions, with or without explicit
attentuation, and there even seem to be options to recover the gain if
not needed.

The compression problem is that I listen almost exclusively to classical
music.  The dynamic range of a good proportion of this is way beyond
most other types of music.  Fiddling around changing players because
it's got too much for one part of one piece will be a real nuisance when
sitting and just listening for an hour or 3.  So I'll have to put up
with it. No matter.



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Also Minimserver & Upplay to same & to upmpdcli/mpd PC renderers.  
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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] C-3PO plugin, a trnscoding helper.

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marcoc1712 wrote: 
> 
> PLEASE ALWAYS leave some headroom (at least 3 db, 6 is better) when
> upsampling os using any effect.
> 
> You could also consider the loudness control instead/in combination of
> gain reduction, it's the same BUT ISOPHONICS curves are applied instead
> of a 'flat' gain reduction. Used as it should be, is great
I am a bit confused over these settings.  If I set 'Automatic' headroom,
do I need to set anything else?  The resulting command for one device
that requires a 24/48000 input, playing a 16/44100 flac is:

Code:


  
  [flac] -dcs --totally-silent $START$ $END$ -- $FILE$ | [sox] -q -t wav - -t 
wav -b 24 --buffer 131072 --multi-threaded - gain -h compand 0.3,1 
6:-70,-60,-50 -5 -90 0.2 rate -h -I -b 90.7 48000
  


I have to use compand to reduce the bandwidth because of a hearing
problem.  Low volumes are hard to hear, but increasing the overall
volume (on my headphones) can result in loud passages being too loud. 
If there are other better options I'd be glad to try them.



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CR603 UPnP renderers.  
Also Minimserver & Upplay to same & to upmpdcli/mpd PC renderers.  
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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Manually installing plugin zips

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squeezehouse wrote: 
> I figured out how I can install the Denon AVP Plugin with mostly the
> graphical interface of Ubuntu 18.04. This will certainly also work for
> other plugins that can no longer be found in the online repositories:
> 
> Before installing the LMS onto a blank system I created a new user
> "squeezeboxserver" in the Ubuntu Settings-Details-Users section and
> assigned a password.
> 
> I then switched to the just generated user and installed the logitech
> media server according to this guide:
> http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Debian_Package
> 
> Thereafter I pulled the plugin from the google archive:
> https://storage.googleapis.com/google-code-archive-downloads/v2/code.google.com/denonavpcontrol/DenonAvpControl_1_9_2.zip
> 
> I was now able to unzip, extract the whole folder to the path
> "/var/lib/squeezeboxserver/Plugins".
> 
> After a restart of the LMS "sudo service logitechmediaserver stop",
> "sudo service logitechmediaserver start" the plugin showed up as active
> in the LMS web interface settings "Plugins" tab.
> 
> I could now safely return to my default Ubuntu user.
> LMS and the plugin will automatically start up after a re-boot, logging
> in to the "squeezeboxserver" account is not necessary.
> 
> I hope this will help other noobs that run into the same problem. I will
> re-post my finding in the "Manually installing plugin zips" thread.
I'd never heard of this plugin.  I got it installed, but how do I
operate it?  I see no controls on the LMS web page.



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LMS plugin UPnP/DLNA Bridge to MF M1 CLiC (A308CR amp & ESLs) & Marantz
CR603 UPnP renderers.  
Also Minimserver & Upplay to same & to upmpdcli/mpd PC renderers.  
Squeezelite to Meridian USB Explorer DAC to PC speakers/headphones.  
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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Squeezeplayer on Android gets 'stuck' playing via on SSH

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xrat wrote: 
> As I have only recently learned, Android puts processes to "sleep" when
> the screen is off meaning that i.a. WiFi is stopped. Processes can work
> around this (I think this is called "Wakelock", at least on my LineageOS
> Android 8). So, maybe ConnectBot does and stays alive, but the "ssh"
> process does not?
Thanks.  I can't find out whether Connectbot uses some other underlying
ssh process or not.  It may well use some form of shared services
library, but I don't know how to find out.  I have ensured that Wi-fi is
on during sleep.



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CR603 UPnP renderers.  
Also Minimserver & Upplay to same & to upmpdcli/mpd PC renderers.  
Squeezelite to Meridian USB Explorer DAC to PC speakers/headphones.  
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[SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Squeezeplayer on Android gets 'stuck' playing via on SSH

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I appreciate this not be the right place to ask this, but I'll try
anyway.

I'm using Squeeze Player on Android 7.1, connecting over SSH (using
ConnectBot) and Wi-fi.  If the screen is off at the end of a couple of
tracks it gets stuck (using a browser on a PC as the controller it shows
the last few seconds of the track repeating).  If the android screen is
on it's OK.

If I connect direct over my home LAN, not via SSH, it's fine.

This feels like something to do with gapless play, but I can't find out
the cause.  A setting somewhere in LMS?  A flaw in Squeeze Player?
Something to do with SSH?  I've made sure there is no battery
optimisation for Connectbot and Squeeze Player.

Why am I doing this?  If I'm away, before I leave I can open a port in
my router and access LMS remotely and reasonably securely over a wi-fi
connection.



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LMS plugin UPnP/DLNA Bridge to MF M1 CLiC (A308CR amp & ESLs) & Marantz
CR603 UPnP renderers.  
Also Minimserver & Upplay to same & to upmpdcli/mpd PC renderers.  
Squeezelite to Meridian USB Explorer DAC to PC speakers/headphones.  
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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How does Advanced Search work?

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mherger wrote: 
> > Is clearing the ...cache/Templates directory completely a safe thing
> to
> 
> Yes.
> 
> > do?  It solved my problem, but I was somewhat nervous about it. 
> There
> > were two other subdirectories in there that did not get regenerated,
> one
> > 'opt' (containing an old, different, version of LMS) and the other
> > 'storage' (which is also the name of a root directory that contains
> my
> > 'music' directory as well as other stuff).
> 
> The folder structure would indeed represent the folder structure where 
> your LMS or plugins are stored. But it's only to map the folders, 
> wouldn't be links or the like.
> 
> > Assuming it is safe to clear this out, is it recommended whenever
> > installing a new version?  If so, could the installation process do
> that
> > automatically?
> 
> It shouldn't be necessary. I can't remember having seen this odd 
> behaviour in a long, long time (if at all).
> 
> -- 
> 
> Michael
OK - thanks.



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LMS plugin UPnP/DLNA Bridge to MF M1 CLiC (A308CR amp & ESLs) & Marantz
CR603 UPnP renderers.  
Also Minimserver & Upplay to same & to upmpdcli/mpd PC renderers.  
Squeezelite to Meridian USB Explorer DAC to PC speakers/headphones.  
Wireless Xubuntu 18.04 laptop firefox/upplay or Android 'phone with
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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How does Advanced Search work?

[PasTim]

Is clearing the ...cache/Templates directory completely a safe thing to
do?  It solved my problem, but I was somewhat nervous about it.  There
were two other subdirectories in there that did not get regenerated, one
'opt' (containing an old, different, version of LMS) and the other
'storage' (which is also the name of a root directory that contains my
'music' directory as well as other stuff).

Assuming it is safe to clear this out, is it recommended whenever
installing a new version?  If so, could the installation process do that
automatically?



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LMS plugin UPnP/DLNA Bridge to MF M1 CLiC (A308CR amp & ESLs) & Marantz
CR603 UPnP renderers.  
Also Minimserver & Upplay to same & to upmpdcli/mpd PC renderers.  
Squeezelite to Meridian USB Explorer DAC to PC speakers/headphones.  
Wireless Xubuntu 18.04 laptop firefox/upplay or Android 'phone with
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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How does Advanced Search work?

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PasTim wrote: 
> Just to be clear - I'm not running any vortexbox software.  I'll edit my
> signature to remove that.
> 
> The template directory contains directories.  Should I delete them as
> well, or their contents, or what? I ran the commands as you stated and
> nothing has changed (directories were not deleted).
I bit the bullet.  I stopped LMS, copied the directories elsewhere and
deleted the lot (rm -rf ...), and restarted.  No change. I still get
that screen.  I then cleared my firefox history once again and tried
again. No change.  So I restarted firefox.

And now it works!

Thanks so much for all your help.

:)



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Touchs & EDO.
LMS plugin UPnP/DLNA Bridge to MF M1 CLiC (A308CR amp & ESLs) & Marantz
CR603 UPnP renderers.  
Also Minimserver & Upplay to same & to upmpdcli/mpd PC renderers.  
Squeezelite to Meridian USB Explorer DAC to PC speakers/headphones.  
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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How does Advanced Search work?

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DJanGo wrote: 
> 7.9.2 - 1543258616 @ Mon Nov 26 20:24:32 CET 2018
> 
> please:
> > 
Code:

  >   > service logitechmediaserver stop
  > rm  /var/lib/squeezeboxserver/cache/templates/*
  > service logitechmediaserver start
  > 

> > 
> and try again
> 
> edit there were some issues where we didnt figure it out and then
> anybody say thats a vortexbox "addon"
Just to be clear - I'm not running any vortexbox software.  I'll edit my
signature to remove that.

The template directory contains directories.  Should I delete them as
well, or their contents, or what? I rang the commands as you stated and
nothing has changed.



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LMS plugin UPnP/DLNA Bridge to MF M1 CLiC (A308CR amp & ESLs) & Marantz
CR603 UPnP renderers.  
Also Minimserver & Upplay to same & to upmpdcli/mpd PC renderers.  
Squeezelite to Meridian USB Explorer DAC to PC speakers/headphones.  
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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How does Advanced Search work?

[PasTim]

I tried a reinstall of the same version of LMS over the one I'm running.
Tested it on my server (normally headless but I can connect monitor &
keyboard if needs be) and got the same result.

I'd be very reluctant to do a complete wipe and reinstall - it takes me
hours to set up Custom Browse/Scan, directories, plugins and so on.

Is anyone else running this precise version?



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LMS plugin UPnP/DLNA Bridge to MF M1 CLiC (A308CR amp & ESLs) & Marantz
CR603 UPnP renderers.  
Also Minimserver & Upplay to same & to upmpdcli/mpd PC renderers.  
Squeezelite to Meridian USB Explorer DAC to PC speakers/headphones.  
Wireless Xubuntu 18.04 laptop firefox/upplay or Android 'phone with
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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How does Advanced Search work?

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DJanGo wrote: 
> i wouldt be very surprised, if the lms from vortexbox has this / another
> behaviour like a std. lms install.
My LMS isn't from vortexbox - that's just the hardware.  I just didn't
(and still do not) understand what you meant by "do they tune something
to something unusable". I'm not 'tuning' anything, and what might be
'unusable'?



> lucky one... 
> and always take pictures before dismantling and get everything that
> should be together in boxes with a label ;-)
Just what I have been doing! Cleaning first, then some stuff in little
plastic bags with a label, bigger stuff in boxes of related bits, and so
on.. :)



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LMS plugin UPnP/DLNA Bridge to MF M1 CLiC (A308CR amp & ESLs) & Marantz
CR603 UPnP renderers.  
Also Minimserver & Upplay to same & to upmpdcli/mpd PC renderers.  
Squeezelite to Meridian USB Explorer DAC to PC speakers/headphones.  
Wireless Xubuntu 18.04 laptop firefox/upplay or Android 'phone with
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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How does Advanced Search work?

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Have to go and dismantle more of my motorcycle now.  I'll be back



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CR603 UPnP renderers.  
Also Minimserver & Upplay to same & to upmpdcli/mpd PC renderers.  
Squeezelite to Meridian USB Explorer DAC to PC speakers/headphones.  
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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How does Advanced Search work?

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DJanGo wrote: 
> His signature ... LMS 7.9.2 on *VortexBox
> * do they tune something to something unusable???
> 
> what is with http://lms:9000/en/advanced_search.html?player=
I don't know what you mean by "do they tune something to something
unusable".  
The url you supplied (with my LMS IP address) gives the same screen
(just fills the window).



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LMS plugin UPnP/DLNA Bridge to MF M1 CLiC (A308CR amp & ESLs) & Marantz
CR603 UPnP renderers.  
Also Minimserver & Upplay to same & to upmpdcli/mpd PC renderers.  
Squeezelite to Meridian USB Explorer DAC to PC speakers/headphones.  
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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How does Advanced Search work?

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mherger wrote: 
> This looks as if you were facing some caching issue. Please wipe your
> browser’s cache and force a reload of the LMS web UI. The advanced
> search did indeed change recently. 
> 
> > Am 02.12.2018 um 12:52 schrieb slartibartfast  (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com>:
> > 
> > 
> > PasTim wrote: 
> >> My search screen looks like this:26117How do you get to that screen?
> > 
> > Sent from my SM-G900F using Tapatalk
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >
> 
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> > 
Tried that, and cleared LMS cache.cb.  Firefox and Chrome on Ubuntu
10.10 - same.  Firefox and Chrome on Xubuntu 10.10 (on a laptop) - same.
Explore on Windows 10 - same. Edge on Windows 10 - No menu at all!

My server is on xubuntu 18.04.  Anything else I should mention?



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CR603 UPnP renderers.  
Also Minimserver & Upplay to same & to upmpdcli/mpd PC renderers.  
Squeezelite to Meridian USB Explorer DAC to PC speakers/headphones.  
Wireless Xubuntu 18.04 laptop firefox/upplay or Android 'phone with
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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How does Advanced Search work?

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slartibartfast wrote: 
> How do you get to that screen?
> Sent from my SM-G900F using Tapatalk

Search button on menu (default interface) - select 'Advanced Search'.



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CR603 UPnP renderers.  
Also Minimserver & Upplay to same & to upmpdcli/mpd PC renderers.  
Squeezelite to Meridian USB Explorer DAC to PC speakers/headphones.  
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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How does Advanced Search work?

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My search screen looks like this:26117


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CR603 UPnP renderers.  
Also Minimserver & Upplay to same & to upmpdcli/mpd PC renderers.  
Squeezelite to Meridian USB Explorer DAC to PC speakers/headphones.  
Wireless Xubuntu 18.04 laptop firefox/upplay or Android 'phone with
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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How does Advanced Search work?

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DJanGo wrote: 
> doesnt it look like this?
> 26115
No, it doesn't.  I see no drop-down.  I'm on a very recent LMS -
Logitech Media Server Version: 7.9.2 - 1543258616 @ Mon Nov 26 20:24:32
CET 2018

I've tried firefox & Chrome.

Edit - to be clear - I see only one field next to Track, Artist and
Album, no drop-downs.



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LMS plugin UPnP/DLNA Bridge to MF M1 CLiC (A308CR amp & ESLs) & Marantz
CR603 UPnP renderers.  
Also Minimserver & Upplay to same & to upmpdcli/mpd PC renderers.  
Squeezelite to Meridian USB Explorer DAC to PC speakers/headphones.  
Wireless Xubuntu 18.04 laptop firefox/upplay or Android 'phone with
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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How does Advanced Search work?

[PasTim]

mherger wrote: 
> > Where is the pref?  I can't find it.
> 
> Settings/My Music
> 
> >>> Is any of this linked to the Full Text Search plugin (which is
> >>> installed)?
> >>
> >> No. Advanced Search is supposed to give you more control. Therefor
> not
> >> trying to be smart like FTS.
> >>
> > Again I'm being dim, and don't understand.  So what is FTS?
> 
> Full Text Search.
> 
> -- 
> 
> Michael
Thanks Michael, but what does "Full Text Search" mean?  What, when ,
where , how?  I don't understand what it applies to, what text is being
referred to, what search, etc. Sorry for being so slow.

As to My Music, I never noticed that Search option. It's set to 'within
words' so should work.

A log sample for searching for Artist Beethoven gives:


Code:


  [18-12-02 11:20:54.5170] Slim::Schema::Debug::query_start (23) SELECT COUNT( 
* ) FROM (SELECT me.id FROM tracks me LEFT JOIN contributor_track 
contributorTracks ON contributorTracks.track = me.id LEFT JOIN contributors 
contributor ON contributor.id = contributorTracks.contributor WHERE ( ( 
contributor.namesearch = ? AND ( contributorTracks.role = ? OR 
contributorTracks.role = ? OR contributorTracks.role = ? OR 
contributorTracks.role = ? OR contributorTracks.role = ? ) AND me.audio = ? ) ) 
GROUP BY me.id) count_subq: '%BEETHOVEN%', '1', '5', '2', '4', '3', '1'
  [18-12-02 11:20:55.0204] Slim::Schema::Debug::query_start (23) SELECT me.id, 
me.name, me.namesort, me.namesearch, me.musicmagic_mixable FROM genres me ORDER 
BY namesort COLLATE en_US : 
  [18-12-02 11:20:59.6200] Slim::Schema::Debug::query_start (23) SELECT me.id, 
me.type, me.name, me.active, me.total, me.done, me.start, me.finish, me.info 
FROM progress me WHERE ( type = ? ) ORDER BY start,id: 'importer'
  [18-12-02 11:20:59.8829] Slim::Schema::Debug::query_start (23) SELECT me.id, 
me.type, me.name, me.active, me.total, me.done, me.start, me.finish, me.info 
FROM progress me WHERE ( type = ? ) ORDER BY start,id: 'importer'
  [18-12-02 11:21:05.0030] Slim::Schema::Debug::query_start (23) SELECT me.id, 
me.type, me.name, me.active, me.total, me.done, me.start, me.finish, me.info 
FROM progress me WHERE ( type = ? ) ORDER BY start,id: 'importer'
  [18-12-02 11:21:11.0333] Slim::Schema::Debug::query_start (23) SELECT me.id, 
me.type, me.name, me.active, me.total, me.done, me.start, me.finish, me.info 
FROM progress me WHERE ( type = ? ) ORDER BY start,id: 'importer'
  


And carries on repeating the latter.  I know some SQL but I have to say
I don't understand how the ? marks are meant to work in this.



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How does Advanced Search work?

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slartibartfast wrote: 
> Are you saying that if you only enter one word in "Artist contains" and
> nothing else in any other box then click search you get no results?
> 
> A library view is a way to view only a part of your full library. I did
> an advanced search for years in the range 1970-1979 etc and saved the
> results of the search as a library view. This allows me to :view all the
> tracks from that decade and nothing else.
> 
> Sent from my SM-G900F using Tapatalk
My search field says 'Artist', not 'Artist contains'.  I wonder if there
is a difference here.

I've not used library views.  I have a vague recollection that I read
that they didn't work if you use Erland's libraries, which I do, so I've
never investigated, and have no idea at all how I would save a search. 
Anyway, that's not my main problem.  

If I enter anything in any one of just Artist, Track, or Album, and
nothing else, I get nothing found.  I'll try to get a log.



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How does Advanced Search work?

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mherger wrote: 
> oh, one more thing: the log file can be your friend. Verify whether 
> there's any error message to start with.
> 
> Start with a simple text search without tweaking any of the additional 
> controls. Just type a track or album title. And in case you do have 
> library views, make sure you're not dealing with your kids' library 
> while searching for AC/DC.
> 
> And if you've got a query which you believe should return something, but
> 
> does not, you can enable logging for database.sql and post the resulting
> 
> SQL query here for our enjoyment :-)
> -- 
> 
> Michael
Thanks. I did check the log, and saw nothing amiss.  I just typed a
simple Album (eg Abbey Road) and got nothing.

I'll try extra logging later today.



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How does Advanced Search work?

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mherger wrote: 
> > How is it meant to work?  If I put in an Artist name, either full, or
> > just surname, I get nothing. Does ticking an Artist type mean the
> Artist
> > must have that role, such that ticking 4 means the Artists must do
> all
> > those things, or just any one of them?
> 
> Just one of them.
> 
> >   I can't get any results for
> > Album either.  I'm unsure what I'm expected to put in Track.  Do I
> have
> > to specify the disc and track number?
> 
> There's a pref to define whether searches should match at the beginning
> 
> of a word only, or anywhere. Eg. whether "edge" should find 
> "sledgehammer" or not. But other than that it's a simple text match. 
> Enter a title or album name, stuff should be found.
> 
Where is the pref?  I can't find it.

> 
> 
> > Is any of this linked to the Full Text Search plugin (which is
> > installed)?
> 
> No. Advanced Search is supposed to give you more control. Therefor not 
> trying to be smart like FTS.
> 
Again I'm being dim, and don't understand.  So what is FTS?
> 
> 
> > Are there any wildcards?
> 
> No.
> 
> > Is there any help guide?
> 
> Ahm... no.
> 
> -- 
> 
> Michael
OK - Thanks for the extraordinarily quick responses form all of you!



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How does Advanced Search work?

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DJanGo wrote: 
> No..
> of i search for humpe  as artist and tick all fields under artist i
> found everything from
> 
> 2Raumwohnung; DÖF Ideal and so on from Annette and Inga Humpe.
> 
> If i only tick komposer i only find tracks where one / or both of the
> famous Humpe Sisters are listed as composers.
> 
> And the whole Name would be Annette Humpe or Inga Humpe.
> There is no need for a wildcard because of the "contains" exact like
> tickboxes.
> 
I get nothing at all.  
> 
> \edit: 
> ok i got your question...
> each box in one "Field" from artist is "or"
> but every single additional box is "and"
> /edit
I'm not quite sure what you mean by "field" from artist or 'additional
box'.  Do you mean the Artist has to be (say) "Composer AND Artist" or
"Composer OR Artist"?



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How does Advanced Search work?

[PasTim]

slartibartfast wrote: 
> I would say all the conditions have to be met. I have only used it to
> define library views per decade.
> 
> Edit. I just tried doing a search for 
> 
> Artist contains flaming 
> 
> and found all my Flaming Lips tracks
> 
> Sent from my SM-G900F using Tapatalk
Thanks, but I get nothing for any artist.  

I've no idea what a 'library view' is .



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[SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How does Advanced Search work?

[PasTim]

I'm feeling dim. I have been trying to use the Advanced Search for the
first time in ages without much success.  It usually finds nothing at
all.  I'm on Logitech Media Server Version: 7.9.2 - 1543258616 @ Mon Nov
26 20:24:32 CET 2018

How is it meant to work?  If I put in an Artist name, either full, or
just surname, I get nothing. Does ticking an Artist type mean the Artist
must have that role, such that ticking 4 means the Artists must do all
those things, or just any one of them?   I can't get any results for
Album either.  I'm unsure what I'm expected to put in Track.  Do I have
to specify the disc and track number?

However, if, for instance, I put in just a specific genre, and/or year
(no track/artist/album), it works.

Is any of this linked to the Full Text Search plugin (which is
installed)?

Are there any wildcards?

Is there any help guide?

I'm using sqlite.



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] C-3PO plugin, a trnscoding helper.

[PasTim]

marcoc1712 wrote: 
> If you are using local player, you are right, Falcon is for people, like
> me, that run squeezelite in a separated headless Linux box. THis way you
> could control squeezelite with a UX that is easier than using command
> line parameters from SSH, read the log, start/stop squeezelite,
> restart/shutdown the box itself... Nothing you could not do using SSH,
> but in a web interface.
> 
> Then You have installFalcon project that is a collection of perl script
> to install Falcon and Squeezelite (R2) in different OS versions
> (Debian/Ubuntu and Gentoo at moment).
Ok - thanks. I now understand.  I run squeezelite on other PCs, but none
are headless.



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] C-3PO plugin, a trnscoding helper.

[PasTim]

Marco - you suggested Falcon.  I had a look at the website.  I cannot
work out what it is for - could you advise?  I can control squeezelite
using any browser via LMS, so what does falcon do?



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] C-3PO plugin, a trnscoding helper.

[PasTim]

PasTim wrote: 
> I've already got a systemd way to start squeezelite.   The weird issue
> is that if I run it as an ordinary user (manually, or systemd) it runs
> OK.  If I run it as localplayer (ie as squeezeboxserver) it times out on
> the alsa device every time.  This did not happen without the alsa
> equalizer.  Running as localplayer or at startup I get endless
> timeouts.
> 
> Changing my systemd service to run as an ordinary user, it works, so I
> can bow test it.  After a few brief tests it's useful.  I now need to
> take some time to set it right for my ears and heaphones.
> 
> Localplayer log (lots of this):
> > 
Code:

  >   > 
  > Failed to open controls file:/usr/share/squeezeboxserver/.alsaequal.bin.
  > [10:36:33.999059] output_thread:663 waiting for device equal to return
  > [10:36:38.27] ALSA snd_pcm_hw_open:1602 open '/dev/snd/pcmC1D0p' failed 
(-16)
  > [10:36:39.54] output_thread:663 waiting for device equal to return
  > [10:36:40.165305] output_flush:424 flush output buffer
  > [10:36:44.000863] ALSA snd_pcm_hw_open:1602 open '/dev/snd/pcmC1D0p' failed 
(-16)
  > 

> > 
> 
> Running at startup (systemd) I get lots of:
> > 
Code:

  >   > 
  > 12:45:46.574071] output_thread:663 waiting for device equal to return
  > [12:45:51.002260] process:526 strm
  > [12:45:51.002430] process_strm:272 strm command t
  > [12:45:51.002508] sendSTAT:187 STAT: STMt
  > [12:45:51.574835] ALSA snd_pcm_hw_open:1602 open '/dev/snd/pcmC1D0p' failed 
(-16)
  > [12:45:51.574983] output_thread:663 waiting for device equal to return
  > [12:45:55.003294] process:526 strm
  > [12:45:55.003481] process_strm:272 strm command t
  > [12:45:55.003566] sendSTAT:187 STAT: STMt
  > [12:45:56.575701] ALSA snd_pcm_hw_open:1602 open '/dev/snd/pcmC1D0p' failed 
(-16)
  > [12:45:56.575851] output_thread:663 waiting for device equal to return
  > [12:45:59.000763] process:526 strm
  > [12:45:59.000937] process_strm:272 strm command t
  > [12:45:59.001015] sendSTAT:187 STAT: STMt
  > [12:46:01.576564] ALSA snd_pcm_hw_open:1602 open '/dev/snd/pcmC1D0p' failed 
(-16)
  > 

> > 
I've now found the source of the problem running squeezelite under user
squeezeboxserver.  It needs the alsa equalization definitions file
.alsaequal.bin to be in /usr/share/squeezeboxserver.  All a bit obvious
really.  I can now create an equalization set-up as a normal user, and
then copy to the squeezeboxserver directory.

This works both for squeezelite as a systemd service, and for
localplayer (using the latest squeezelite), both running under user
squeezeboxserver.

The alsa equalizer does work.  I suspect my ordinary headphones aren't
as good as the ones with a built-in equalizer, so I'll continue normal
listening with the latter connected by USB.  However, I do now have the
option to listen with other devices modified using the alsa equalizer,
which is a relief for me (I like to have backups for everything...). :)



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] C-3PO plugin, a trnscoding helper.

[PasTim]

marcoc1712 wrote: 
> You could have a look to the way Falcon uses to start and stop
> Squeezelite using init.d and conf.d files, ito works.
> https://github.com/marcoc1712/installFalcon and
> https://github.com/marcoc1712/falcon. Is made to work with
> squeezelite-R2, but it could run any squeezelite version.
I've already got a systemd way to start squeezelite.   The weird issue
is that if I run it as an ordinary user (manually, or systemd) it runs
OK.  If I run it as localplayer (ie as squeezeboxserver) it times out on
the alsa device every time.  This did not happen without the alsa
equalizer.  Running as localplayer or at startup I get endless
timeouts.

Changing my systemd service to run as an ordinary user, it works, so I
can bow test it.  After a few brief tests it's useful.  I now need to
take some time to set it right for my ears and heaphones.

Localplayer log (lots of this):

Code:


  Failed to open controls file:/usr/share/squeezeboxserver/.alsaequal.bin.
  [10:36:33.999059] output_thread:663 waiting for device equal to return
  [10:36:38.27] ALSA snd_pcm_hw_open:1602 open '/dev/snd/pcmC1D0p' failed 
(-16)
  [10:36:39.54] output_thread:663 waiting for device equal to return
  [10:36:40.165305] output_flush:424 flush output buffer
  [10:36:44.000863] ALSA snd_pcm_hw_open:1602 open '/dev/snd/pcmC1D0p' failed 
(-16)
  



Running at startup (systemd) I get lots of:

Code:


  12:45:46.574071] output_thread:663 waiting for device equal to return
  [12:45:51.002260] process:526 strm
  [12:45:51.002430] process_strm:272 strm command t
  [12:45:51.002508] sendSTAT:187 STAT: STMt
  [12:45:51.574835] ALSA snd_pcm_hw_open:1602 open '/dev/snd/pcmC1D0p' failed 
(-16)
  [12:45:51.574983] output_thread:663 waiting for device equal to return
  [12:45:55.003294] process:526 strm
  [12:45:55.003481] process_strm:272 strm command t
  [12:45:55.003566] sendSTAT:187 STAT: STMt
  [12:45:56.575701] ALSA snd_pcm_hw_open:1602 open '/dev/snd/pcmC1D0p' failed 
(-16)
  [12:45:56.575851] output_thread:663 waiting for device equal to return
  [12:45:59.000763] process:526 strm
  [12:45:59.000937] process_strm:272 strm command t
  [12:45:59.001015] sendSTAT:187 STAT: STMt
  [12:46:01.576564] ALSA snd_pcm_hw_open:1602 open '/dev/snd/pcmC1D0p' failed 
(-16)
  




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CR603 UPnP renderers.  
Also Minimserver & Upplay to same & to upmpdcli/mpd PC renderers.  
Squeezelite to Meridian USB Explorer DAC to PC speakers/headphones.  
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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] C-3PO plugin, a trnscoding helper.

[PasTim]

marcoc1712 wrote: 
> Good, abour the user I really don't know, probably is becouse the user
> must be in the audio or some other special and required group to work
> with alsa, I'll check the groups for your user and try to add it to the
> user squeezelite is started by. Just an idea, not really an expert on
> this matter.
I tried checking the groups - all relevant are in the audio group.



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] C-3PO plugin, a trnscoding helper.

[PasTim]

marcoc1712 wrote: 
> Never done this by myself, but here a tutorial for Raperry, I suppose is
> the same:
> https://www.hifiberry.com/build/documentation/guide-adding-equalization-using-alsaeq/
Thanks.  I got part-way but failed for a while to get the syntax right
to drive the device I need.  I finally got it working as a test, and
made the alsa device available system wide in /etc/asound.conf.

I then tried it from the localplayer (squeezelite) plugin device on my
server and it resolutely failed to run, getting timeouts (I think, error
-16).  So I tried running squeezelite as a service.  That didn't work
either.  Running squeezelite as a normal stand-alone user did work, so
eventually I gave in and ran the squeezelite service as my normal user,
and that seems to work.

Why it won't run as squeezeboxserver, or as a service at startup for an
unspecified user (presumably root) I don't know.

Anyway, I'm up and running, so will do some tests of the equalizer.



LMS 7.9.2 on VortexBox Midi box, Xubuntu 18.04, FLACs 16->24 bit,
44.1->192kbps.  2 Touchs & EDO.
LMS plugin UPnP/DLNA Bridge to MF M1 CLiC (A308CR amp & ESLs) & Marantz
CR603 UPnP renderers.  
Also Minimserver & Upplay to same & to upmpdcli/mpd PC renderers.  
Squeezelite to Meridian USB Explorer DAC to PC speakers/headphones.  
Wireless Xubuntu 18.04 laptop firefox/upplay or Android 'phone with
Squeeze-Commander/BubbleUPnP controls LMS/Minimserver.

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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] C-3PO plugin, a trnscoding helper.

[PasTim]

PasTim wrote: 
> My PCs are on ubuntu 18.10.  alsamixer has disappeared.  I found an alsa
> equalizer plugin (libasound2-plugin-equal) but struggled to use it with
> amixer.  I'm not the best at command line stuff (even though that's all
> there was when I started in computers).  
> 
> I eventually found a gnome-alsamixer for 18.04 , which provides a
> useless gui, but fortunately did install the old alsamixer.  So I ran
> alsamixer -D equal.  It provides a range of frequencies, and I
> eventually found out how to change left/right settings (commands QWE and
> ZXC). Do these settings apply to all devices?.
> 
> I'll try to experiment over a few days.
I have so far failed to find out how to link the alsa 'equal' (or Eq10)
device to my DAC so that squeezelite uses it.  I've got the equalizer
set up, and I assume I now have to do something to .asoundrc to link it
to my DAC, but I can't work out how to do so.  Can you help?



LMS 7.9.2 on VortexBox Midi box, Xubuntu 18.04, FLACs 16->24 bit,
44.1->192kbps.  2 Touchs & EDO.
LMS plugin UPnP/DLNA Bridge to MF M1 CLiC (A308CR amp & ESLs) & Marantz
CR603 UPnP renderers.  
Also Minimserver & Upplay to same & to upmpdcli/mpd PC renderers.  
Squeezelite to Meridian USB Explorer DAC to PC speakers/headphones.  
Wireless Xubuntu 18.04 laptop firefox/upplay or Android 'phone with
Squeeze-Commander/BubbleUPnP controls LMS/Minimserver.

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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] C-3PO plugin, a trnscoding helper.

[PasTim]

marcoc1712 wrote: 
> Very good, as a first trial You coult try to use the alsa equalizer
> instead of pulse one, should be better. I'll be back to you soon with
> some sox command to try.
My PCs are on ubuntu 18.10.  alsamixer has disappeared.  I found an alsa
equalizer plugin (libasound2-plugin-equal) but struggled to use it with
amixer.  I'm not the best at command line stuff (even though that's all
there was when I started in computers).  

I eventually found a gnome-alsamixer for 18.04 , which provides a
useless gui, but fortunately did install the old alsamixer.  So I ran
alsamixer -D equal.  It provides a range of frequencies, and I
eventually found out how to change left/right settings (commands QWE and
ZXC). Do these settings apply to all devices?.

I'll try to experiment over a few days.



LMS 7.9.2 on VortexBox Midi box, Xubuntu 18.04, FLACs 16->24 bit,
44.1->192kbps.  2 Touchs & EDO.
LMS plugin UPnP/DLNA Bridge to MF M1 CLiC (A308CR amp & ESLs) & Marantz
CR603 UPnP renderers.  
Also Minimserver & Upplay to same & to upmpdcli/mpd PC renderers.  
Squeezelite to Meridian USB Explorer DAC to PC speakers/headphones.  
Wireless Xubuntu 18.04 laptop firefox/upplay or Android 'phone with
Squeeze-Commander/BubbleUPnP controls LMS/Minimserver.

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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] C-3PO plugin, a trnscoding helper.

[PasTim]

marcoc1712 wrote: 
> As far as I know, in SOX to apply different effects (or settings) per
> channel, you have to split the file, handle each channel separately then
> use remix to join them back in a stereo stream. It works very well, but
> the problem is how to do that in real time.  A solution that should work
> is using different threads, temporary files and/or large buffers, but
> needs to be tested, expecially in windows inside socket wrapper. A
> different approach is to produce the stereo filter in wav format, then
> convolve it, but you need an extrenal tool to produce the wav file from
> the PEQ taps (REW could do that job).
> 
> Is a very interesting matter on witch I'm working myself at moment, but
> I really miss the time to produce something 'solid' to be included in
> the plugin, sorry. 
> 
> A completely different apporach is the one used in Daphile, where the
> output from squeezelite is piped to BruteFir, don't know nothing about
> BruteFir, but sure you have tons of tools and plugins using VST or
> similar that could grab the output form the player and do whatever you
> want with it, my advise is to avoid PULSE whenever you can!
> 
> I'm currently experimenting on that matter, if you like and have time to
> spend in trials, we could sure cooperate and work on this. Let me know.
Thanks very much.  I'm happy to try testing relatively simple set-ups. 
I've no knowledge of Daphile, BruteFir, REW or VST.  I just have an LMS
server (xubuntu usually headless PC), ethernet, and various devices I
can play music on (2 Touches, laptop etc).  

I currently have a set of bluetooth/USB headphones where the left/right
equalization can be adjusted separately in the headphones themselves
(from Parrott, modified by PYOUR).  This works well, but I'd like to
have another solution up my sleeve, just in case.  For instance using my
normal analogue headphones driven by my amplifier fed either by a Touch
or via UPnP from LMS, and using an equalizer on the LMS server..

I also try to avoid PULSE, but when using my desktop and normal
headphones it sort of works, most of the time



LMS 7.9.2 on VortexBox Midi box, Xubuntu 18.04, FLACs 16->24 bit,
44.1->192kbps.  2 Touchs & EDO.
LMS plugin UPnP/DLNA Bridge to MF M1 CLiC (A308CR amp & ESLs) & Marantz
CR603 UPnP renderers.  
Also Minimserver & Upplay to same & to upmpdcli/mpd PC renderers.  
Squeezelite to Meridian USB Explorer DAC to PC speakers/headphones.  
Wireless Xubuntu 18.04 laptop firefox/upplay or Android 'phone with
Squeeze-Commander/BubbleUPnP controls LMS/Minimserver.

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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] C-3PO plugin, a trnscoding helper.

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marcoc1712 wrote: 
> Thanks for your appreciation, but merit is mainly by SOX, C-3PO is just
> a sort of an interface over it. I do believe that, in your lucky
> situation, if I well remember, loudness is all you need, but I, like
> many, still need some deeper correction in my room and for that duty,
> the equalizer built in sox is very, very good.  I'm now having a closer
> look to the convolver (in order to apply FIR Filters produced by other
> tools) and it looks promising. What I miss is time...
> 
> About mp3, no, I did not want to worry about lossy formats when first
> writing C-3PO for server-side transcoding and resampling,  so it is not
> possible, what you could do is apply the adequate sox command to the
> convert.conf command you actually use to play mp3.
As far as I can tell, the sox equalizer is even on left and right.  Do
you know of any way to get an equalizer that I can adjust differently
for each side?  My ears are very different (both bad, but at different
frequencies). When using headphones It would help me a lot to be able to
adjust each channel.

On linux there's a rather unstable pulseaudio equalizer that sort of
works, but I'd like something better.



LMS 7.9.2 on VortexBox Midi box, Xubuntu 18.04, FLACs 16->24 bit,
44.1->192kbps.  2 Touchs & EDO.
LMS plugin UPnP/DLNA Bridge to MF M1 CLiC (A308CR amp & ESLs) & Marantz
CR603 UPnP renderers.  
Also Minimserver & Upplay to same & to upmpdcli/mpd PC renderers.  
Squeezelite to Meridian USB Explorer DAC to PC speakers/headphones.  
Wireless Xubuntu 18.04 laptop firefox/upplay or Android 'phone with
Squeeze-Commander/BubbleUPnP controls LMS/Minimserver.

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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Problems getting squeezeplay to work remotely over ssh

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nico wrote: 
> Ah that's a shame the process is still a bit brittle.
> 
> Are you certain there was no SP process running prior to kicking off the
> socats and ssh? In my case, if that was so, I also experienced the kinds
> of wrinkles you described. The issue is with the "fork" option on socat
> - if it's running and there's application traffic on that UDP port being
> generated by SP, it can fork off many child processes to handle it. So
> if there is UDP traffic there may be a race condition with the "killall
> socat" killing off the parent process but leaving one or more children,
> or vice versa. For more insight killall also provides a "-v" option
> which describes what processes it's killing more verbosely. If SP is not
> running there should be no UDP traffic on 3483 and the killall socat
> should work as intended.
> 
> By using the shell "cmd1 && cmd2" operator, this should absolutely
> ensure that cmd2 is not invoked before cmd1 terminates, and moreover,
> terminates successfully. Alternatively you can use "cmd1; cmd2" for
> serial execution of 2 commands on a single line - in that case cmd2
> always runs after cmd1 irrespective of the exit status of cmd1. So I
> don't think the issue is the killall not completing before with socat is
> launched.
> 
> I have not tested putting shell operators like "&&" or "&" into the
> RemoteCommand line in ~/.ssh/config. But it would not surprise me if
> these don't work as intended. It would all come down to the exact way
> ssh forks off the remote shell and passes the command + arguments to it.
> I would recommended that if you need to use "&&" or "&" operators, it's
> best to put everything into a single shell script file and just launch
> that from the RemoteCommand directive (which is what I think you ended
> up doing). Make sure you specify the full path to your shell script on
> the remote machine to avoid issues with the PATH variable.
> 
> It would not hurt to put a killall socat into the remote command script.
> If you are doing it on one line, make sure you use "&&"  or ";" (not
> "&") to separate the killall and the socat. Of course, if you place
> these commands on separate lines, this would also ensure the commands
> are executed sequentiually rather than in parallel. In my case however,
> I found that in 100% of the cases when I killed the ssh session with
> Ctrl-C, it always killed off the remote socat(s) as well. So I found I
> didn't need that remote "killall socat". But again, depending on the OS
> and versions of SSH used etc., it wouldn't surprise me if in some cases
> the remote socat is left running in the background and should be killed
> off explicitly.
> 
> Sometimes it's better to go with simpler solutions to these things
> rather than trying to come up with clever 1-liners :)
Indeed - thanks. However, it took me 30 seconds to work out what SP
meant - I'm not good with abbreviations I've never seen before ;)



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44.1->192kbps.  2 Touchs & EDO.
LMS plugin UPnP/DLNA Bridge to MF M1 CLiC (A308CR amp & ESLs) & Marantz
CR603 UPnP renderers.  
Also Minimserver & Upplay to same & to upmpdcli/mpd PC renderers.  
Squeezelite to Meridian USB Explorer DAC to PC speakers/headphones.  
Wireless Xubuntu 18.04 laptop firefox/upplay or Android 'phone with
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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Problems getting squeezeplay to work remotely over ssh

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nico wrote: 
> You would think so! I tried as you suggested right at the start, setting
> the remote library IP address explicitly. However, SP still wanted to do
> it's server discovery thing every time it started, and it would not drop
> into the normal UI no matter how many times the discovery failed. It
> would just keep asking to either try connecting again or specify a
> different library.
> 
> It seems that even with an explicit remote library configured, SP still
> wants to complete a server discovery process and "find" at least one
> server before presenting the main UI. Probably it's an oversight. If one
> or more remote servers have been explicitly configured, it should just
> skip the discovery process.
Same here.  There was no way I could persuade it just to take the ip
rather than trying to discover first, even though it had run with that
ip previously.



LMS 7.9.2 on VortexBox Midi box, Xubuntu 18.04, FLACs 16->24 bit,
44.1->192kbps.  2 Touchs & EDO.
LMS plugin UPnP/DLNA Bridge to MF M1 CLiC (A308CR amp & ESLs) & Marantz
CR603 UPnP renderers.  
Also Minimserver & Upplay to same & to upmpdcli/mpd PC renderers.  
Squeezelite to Meridian USB Explorer DAC to PC speakers/headphones.  
Wireless Xubuntu 18.04 laptop firefox/upplay or Android 'phone with
Squeeze-Commander/BubbleUPnP controls LMS/Minimserver.

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