Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!
On 11/03/2009 10:45 AM, Jeff Wieland wrote: I've been working on compiling Seamonkey 2.0 on SPARC Solaris 10. By building various GTK+ related pieces, I've been able to actually get it to compile. Running it is another story, so far all I'm getting are core dumps. But, I did notice the following: $ /opt/seamonkey/seamonkey/seamonkey --version Mozilla SeaMonkey 2.1a1pre, Copyright (c) 1998-2009 mozilla.org I'm wondering if I'm downloading the wrong tarball? I just redownloaded it to check -- what I'm downloading is http://releases.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/seamonkey/releases/2.0/source/seamonkey-2.0.source.tar.bz2 Have a look at this one: http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/seamonkey/nightly/2.0rc2-candidates/build3/source/ Note: I've not downloaded to check just yet, but I believe that was the one that was used to build the final 2.0. If not Jens or Barry, et al will step in and advise otherwise. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!
I've been working on compiling Seamonkey 2.0 on SPARC Solaris 10. By building various GTK+ related pieces, I've been able to actually get it to compile. Running it is another story, so far all I'm getting are core dumps. But, I did notice the following: $ /opt/seamonkey/seamonkey/seamonkey --version Mozilla SeaMonkey 2.1a1pre, Copyright (c) 1998-2009 mozilla.org I'm wondering if I'm downloading the wrong tarball? I just redownloaded it to check -- what I'm downloading is http://releases.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/seamonkey/releases/2.0/source/seamonkey-2.0.source.tar.bz2 -- Jeff Wieland ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!
On 09-10-30 11:34 PM, Phillip Jones wrote: here is the item in the last crash: http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/bp-4a35ff2f-41ee-4e1e-8a8f-e0cc12091029 Okay, here's how to use about:crashes to assess the cause of a crash: 1. In the SeaMonkey browser, type about:crashes in the location bar, and press Enter. A page displaying your crash reports will appear. 2. Each crash report is a link, so click the crash report you want to investigate. This will take to a URL starting with http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/...; It may take some time for your report to be processed. 3. In your crash report, copy the crash Signature. You can find it at the top, just underneath the ID. 4. Go to https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/query.cgi?format=advanced, and paste the crash signature in the summary. Deselect everything under Resolution: and click [Search]. You should get a list of bugs for that crash signature. NOTE: In most cases, there is already a link to related bugs in the crash report. For example, see http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/66904c4a-5eb5-4752-8dea-6d5fc2091030. 5. Read the comments in the bug. Some of it may not be useful, but sometimes there's very useful info. For instance, https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=501429 says the crash for that bug is caused by Google Talk. Your crash: The signature for your latest crash report is imgLoader::RemoveFromCache(imgCacheEntry*) . Unfortunately, searching bugzilla does not turn up much for that crash sig. The only bug with that crash sig is https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=478009. It was marked as a dupe of https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=476349. Both bugs don't give much info, and it looks like the original bug may need to be re-opened. What you can tell is that it is not caused by a plugin or extension. I'm *guessing* that it's a javascript issue (which makes sense, given that JS engine in SM2 is completely different). If you continue to get this crash, one thing you could try is setting the pref |javascript.options.jit.chrome| to false. If that doesn't fix it, try setting |javascript.options.jit.content| to false. -- Chris Ilias http://ilias.ca List-owner: support-firefox, support-thunderbird, test-multimedia Keeper of the Knowledge Base: https://support.mozilla.com/kb/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!
Chris Ilias schrieb: Okay, here's how to use about:crashes to assess the cause of a crash: Now I'd love to have a support website where we could make sure this is copied and pasted to... ;-) Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!
On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 16:36:49 +0100, Robert Kaiser wrote: Chris Ilias schrieb: Okay, here's how to use about:crashes to assess the cause of a crash: Now I'd love to have a support website where we could make sure this is copied and pasted to... ;-) Most of it is already here: http://kb.mozillazine.org/Breakpad I think only points 4 and 5 need to be added. Phil -- Philip Chee phi...@aleytys.pc.my, philip.c...@gmail.com http://flashblock.mozdev.org/ http://xsidebar.mozdev.org Guard us from the she-wolf and the wolf, and guard us from the thief, oh Night, and so be good for us to pass. [ ]Lady Macbeth to her dog: Out, damned Spot! * TagZilla 0.066.6 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!
Robert Kaiser wrote: Daniel wrote: Doesn't SM 2.x automagically check for upgrades?? It does, but it might take up to a day until it does automatically. If you want to upgrade right away, manually going into Help Check For Updates... is probably better. Robert Kaiser Thanks for that, Robert. Daniel (Posting with his SM 1.1.15 (I'm sure I've got .18 somewhere), because he uses Win98 which will not handle SM 2.x!!) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!
Marcelo wrote: Interviewed by CNN on 29/10/2009 13:18, Benoit Renard told the world: Robert Kaiser wrote: This is not our decision, it's the Mozilla toolkit that is dropping support for that after 3 years of no well-maintained new major release with that infrastructure - it's just that SeaMonkey did take quite long to do an actual release based on the new code. What's stopping you from adopting the code? Manpower. The day has just so many hours, the year has just so many days, and there's other stuff that needs doing. But if you adopt it, you'll at least have something instead of nothing. Someone can volunteer to work on it eventually. The chance of that happening is much lower when the code is removed. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!
Robert Kaiser wrote: Benoit Renard wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: I've heard more reports of 1.1.x users suddenly losing their whole profile as I've heard reports of users losing data when migrating to 2.0 But then again, 2.0 was just released, while 1.1.x has existed for a couple years already. It's not a fair comparison. Also, often the profile wasn't lost, but locked. You know, there are actual _reasons_ why we switched to newer code that is actively maintained and have throws away the old crap that nobody wanted to maintain any more. You should notice upon re-reading my message that I wasn't disputing that. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!
NoOp wrote: On 10/29/2009 05:50 PM, Phillip Jones wrote: Chris Ilias wrote: ... Did you let the Mozilla Crash Reporter report the bug to Mozilla? If so, the crash ID should appear in about:crashes , and we can all have a look at the crash stack. Not the first time. the second time I did. as it stands I figure it will crash at least once a day. on SM 1.1.x I hadn't had a crash in years. And the url to your crash report is? Just click on the report url. Sample: http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/bp-be19f3ef-123e-437f-b503-8ba142091001 [note: that is/was a flash issue most likely isn't related to my SeaMonkey, but that's what caused the crash (flash) so I reported it] here is the item in the last crash: http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/bp-4a35ff2f-41ee-4e1e-8a8f-e0cc12091029 -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!
On Wed, 28 Oct 2009, Rich Gray wrote: Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 22:06:15 -0400 From: Rich Gray rbg_smth...@graysmail.com To: support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org Newsgroups: mozilla.support.seamonkey, mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey, mozilla.support.seamonkey, mozilla.dev.planning, mozilla.support.mozilla-suite, netscape.public.mozilla.seamonkey, mozilla.dev.l10n Subject: Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here! Why are these people crossposting to both the mailing lists and all of the newsgroups that are apparently redirected to the mailing list, causing the receipt of multiple copies of messages, that some of us don't want? This is the same in principle, as the development of bloatware - as computer power and speed increased, software development got increasingly sloppy, so that software became ridiculously inefficient, so that now, much of the available software is rubbish. It is probably the reason of many of the crashes due to software being so poorly designed, that it increasingly swallows resources, without releasing the resources when the software is closed, amking computing increasingly unstable. Why can't people on mailing lists, treat other subscribers with respect, instead of trying to drown us in multiple copies of messages? -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!
Leonidas Jones wrote: Graham wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: Bill Davidsen wrote: snip Instruct them to install 2.0, migrate their data, then check for updates to newer versions. Lee Doesn't SM 2.x automagically check for upgrades?? Daniel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!
Leonidas Jones wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: I did have a silent unexpected Quit. Attributed to the Crash reporter System (still having got that thing right on Mac's always has caused crashes on Mozilla products on Mac). It actually causes crashes on Mac's Now I'll have to disable it again. The crash reporter system doesn't _cause_ the crashes, it only comes up once the crash has already happened and tries to report the cause of the crash to us so we can find out how to correct the crash. Robert Kaiser It does. As long as its running SM will crash. in SM 1 since I disabled the reporter I haven't had a Crash in years. SM2 the first time after going to SM2 Final then importing everything from 1.1.8 which went off without a hitch. I was reading a message had to switch from it to another application . while hidden it crashed. I didn't even realize it was crashed until I aimed to switch back and notice in the Doc it wasn't run I restarted it opened up normally. Then when I quit the program to take a break and closed all the windows I had open (just a couple) there it was all the way in the Background. When it was running in 1.1.x and it was working it would pop to the front. It would come to front. Phillip, I have not noticed this at all. I don't remember if this was a problem with Communicator or not, but it really isn't today. Lee I just find it odd that on the very first opening after a completely successful copy over of all my mail boxes and sub folders, setting of preferences and then reading of messages it crashes when hiding it. I can't remember the time I've had a application to crash on opening after the first install. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!
Steve Wendt wrote: On 10/28/09 06:21 am, Jay Garcia wrote: Click in the user name field, then click in it again. It should give you a drop-down list of saved items. I think what Ed is talking about is that there is only ONE login/password for each site, not a list of logins/passwords that cover a couple of dozen sites all in one drop down presented at each site. No, I think it does what Ed wants - lists all the logins for the current site. If you want a complete list, the password manager works the same as it always has. Netscape/Flock Champion Isn't Netscape dead? Looks like it is just a AOL Yahoo-style portal, now. No the server is still live and well. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!
Philip Chee wrote: On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 22:44:54 -0400, Phillip Jones wrote: It does. As long as its running SM will crash. in SM 1 since I disabled the reporter I haven't had a Crash in years. SM2 the first time after going to SM2 Final then importing everything from 1.1.8 which went off without a hitch. I was reading a message had to switch from it to another application . while hidden it crashed. I didn't even realize it was crashed until I aimed to switch back and notice in the Doc it wasn't run I restarted it opened up normally. Then when I quit the program to take a break and closed all the windows I had open (just a couple) there it was all the way in the Background. When it was running in 1.1.x and it was working it would pop to the front. It would come to front. The crash reporter in 1.1 was called Talkback. The crash reporter in 2.0 is called, er, Crash Reporter. The latter is completely different code from a totally different source (google). Secondly, crash reporter in 2.0 never runs until SeaMonkey crashes. When SeaMonkey is running normally, the Crash Reporter is never running. I suggest that you are hallucinating. Phil I wish I had a made screen shot of the window. just to prove. .No I am not hallucinating. --- Just found another Bug Drag and drop editing doesn't completely work. In SM1.1.8 I Could option - Drag to copy a word from one place to another (duplicate a word) that no long works -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!
Phillip Jones wrote: Philip Chee wrote: On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 13:54:29 -0400, Bill Davidsen wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: 2) We already know now that 2.1 will not be able to import all the data from 1.x profiles like 2.0 can, as toolkit development removed some of the old import code already. That sounds a lot like you have to get on the bus now, the alternative being go back to Baltimore and start over again as a virgin. (E.B.Griswald) You have it exactly right, except that some of the Toolkit devs were, er, far more blunt and somewhat disdainful when they said that to us. According to threads previous about developers I though that developers were made out to be just like regular users? The Comment above proves a point I tried to make but was scoffed at. Like I said developers either design for Board of Directors, and the stockholders; or the developers for themselves and other developers. The user isn't in the equation. Gah. You're trying very hard not to understand anything about how things work, right? Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!
Daniel wrote: Doesn't SM 2.x automagically check for upgrades?? It does, but it might take up to a day until it does automatically. If you want to upgrade right away, manually going into Help Check For Updates... is probably better. Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!
Bret Busby wrote: Why are these people crossposting to both the mailing lists and all of the newsgroups that are apparently redirected to the mailing list, causing the receipt of multiple copies of messages, that some of us don't want? Because I messed up the original post and did set yet another Newsgroup: header instead of a Followup-to: and people just keep pressing Reply, which replies to all newsgroups in Newsgroup: headers unless there is a Followup-to: set. Sorry, it's me who messed up here. Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!
Robert Kaiser wrote: I've heard more reports of 1.1.x users suddenly losing their whole profile as I've heard reports of users losing data when migrating to 2.0 But then again, 2.0 was just released, while 1.1.x has existed for a couple years already. It's not a fair comparison. Also, often the profile wasn't lost, but locked. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!
Robert Kaiser wrote: This is not our decision, it's the Mozilla toolkit that is dropping support for that after 3 years of no well-maintained new major release with that infrastructure - it's just that SeaMonkey did take quite long to do an actual release based on the new code. What's stopping you from adopting the code? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!
Robert Kaiser wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: According to threads previous about developers I though that developers were made out to be just like regular users? The Comment above proves a point I tried to make but was scoffed at. Like I said developers either design for Board of Directors, and the stockholders; or the developers for themselves and other developers. The user isn't in the equation. Gah. You're trying very hard not to understand anything about how things work, right? I know how open source works, and he still has a point, I think. Open source really isn't /that/ different in the end. Developers may also be users, but ultimately they develop to scratch their own itch in many cases. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!
Phillip Jones wrote: Leonidas Jones wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: I did have a silent unexpected Quit. Attributed to the Crash reporter System (still having got that thing right on Mac's always has caused crashes on Mozilla products on Mac). It actually causes crashes on Mac's Now I'll have to disable it again. The crash reporter system doesn't _cause_ the crashes, it only comes up once the crash has already happened and tries to report the cause of the crash to us so we can find out how to correct the crash. Robert Kaiser It does. As long as its running SM will crash. in SM 1 since I disabled the reporter I haven't had a Crash in years. SM2 the first time after going to SM2 Final then importing everything from 1.1.8 which went off without a hitch. I was reading a message had to switch from it to another application . while hidden it crashed. I didn't even realize it was crashed until I aimed to switch back and notice in the Doc it wasn't run I restarted it opened up normally. Then when I quit the program to take a break and closed all the windows I had open (just a couple) there it was all the way in the Background. When it was running in 1.1.x and it was working it would pop to the front. It would come to front. Phillip, I have not noticed this at all. I don't remember if this was a problem with Communicator or not, but it really isn't today. Lee I just find it odd that on the very first opening after a completely successful copy over of all my mail boxes and sub folders, setting of preferences and then reading of messages it crashes when hiding it. I can't remember the time I've had a application to crash on opening after the first install. To add insult to injury It crashed again a while ago this time as I was quitting it. Same pattern as before. I'll see if I can figure out where the error reporter in in about:Config. and be done with it. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!
Robert Kaiser wrote: Bret Busby wrote: Why are these people crossposting to both the mailing lists and all of the newsgroups that are apparently redirected to the mailing list, causing the receipt of multiple copies of messages, that some of us don't want? Because I messed up the original post and did set yet another Newsgroup: header instead of a Followup-to: and people just keep pressing Reply, which replies to all newsgroups in Newsgroup: headers unless there is a Followup-to: set. Sorry, it's me who messed up here. Robert Kaiser Developers don't make mistakes ;-) -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!
On 10/28/2009 10:38 AM, Bill Davidsen wrote: NoOp wrote: ... You always make it so hard for me (joke) :-) http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/seamonkey/nightly/latest-comm-1.9.1/ [seamonkey-2.0.1pre.en-US.linux-x86_64.tar.bz2] My 64bit tester is still using that w/o issues so far. I wish I could build a 64bit test version on a 32bit VM machine, but haven't figured out how to do that just yet :-) qemu-system-x86_64 if you're on Linux. Do an install of you favorite distribution, then build. I keep a directory which I use to share stuff, NFS mount it from the VM. The install is slow, but it will complete, the compile will work, and running SM-x86_64 will work and be at least as fast as some old computers I have owned. Cool! Thanks for the info. None of my cpu's with work with the kvm, but I'll experiment what I can do with only the quemu part. Found another one while checking out quemu: http://www3.informatik.uni-erlangen.de/Research/FAUmachine/description.html ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!
Interviewed by CNN on 29/10/2009 13:18, Benoit Renard told the world: Robert Kaiser wrote: This is not our decision, it's the Mozilla toolkit that is dropping support for that after 3 years of no well-maintained new major release with that infrastructure - it's just that SeaMonkey did take quite long to do an actual release based on the new code. What's stopping you from adopting the code? Manpower. The day has just so many hours, the year has just so many days, and there's other stuff that needs doing. -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... Nudist Camp sign - Sorry, Clothed for Winter. * TagZilla 0.0661 * http://tagzilla.mozdev.org on Seamonkey 2 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Benoit Renard wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: I've heard more reports of 1.1.x users suddenly losing their whole profile as I've heard reports of users losing data when migrating to 2.0 But then again, 2.0 was just released, while 1.1.x has existed for a couple years already. It's not a fair comparison. Also, often the profile wasn't lost, but locked. Same with 2.0, the data isn't lost but not correctly migrated in most cases. And still, there are a number of people that are losing at least all their settings regularly with 1.x, _even though_ it has been out for years. We just couldn't find the bugs in the old crap code. You know, there are actual _reasons_ why we switched to newer code that is actively maintained and have throws away the old crap that nobody wanted to maintain any more. Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Phillip Jones wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Leonidas Jones wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: /snip/ To add insult to injury It crashed again a while ago this time as I was quitting it. Same pattern as before. I'll see if I can figure out where the error reporter in in about:Config. and be done with it. Phillip, be reasonable. Its the crash reporter that report the crash and its cause to the developers. If *can't* cause the crash. If you see it, the crash has already happened. Disabling it only keeps you from sending the data to those who might be able to fix it. Lee ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Chris Ilias wrote: On 09-10-29 8:05 AM, Phillip Jones wrote: Philip Chee wrote: The crash reporter in 1.1 was called Talkback. The crash reporter in 2.0 is called, er, Crash Reporter. The latter is completely different code from a totally different source (google). Secondly, crash reporter in 2.0 never runs until SeaMonkey crashes. When SeaMonkey is running normally, the Crash Reporter is never running. I suggest that you are hallucinating. I wish I had a made screen shot of the window. just to prove. .No I am not hallucinating. Did you let the Mozilla Crash Reporter report the bug to Mozilla? If so, the crash ID should appear in about:crashes , and we can all have a look at the crash stack. Not the first time. the second time I did. as it stands I figure it will crash at least once a day. on SM 1.1.x I hadn't had a crash in years. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Leonidas Jones wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Leonidas Jones wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: /snip/ To add insult to injury It crashed again a while ago this time as I was quitting it. Same pattern as before. I'll see if I can figure out where the error reporter in in about:Config. and be done with it. Phillip, be reasonable. Its the crash reporter that report the crash and its cause to the developers. If *can't* cause the crash. If you see it, the crash has already happened. Disabling it only keeps you from sending the data to those who might be able to fix it. Lee Why am I getting two crashes in as many days. I never ever had a Crash in 1.1.7, and 1.1.8 and ad after I removed the crash reporter several years ago Not once have I had a crash on the 1.1.x series in about 5 years. maybe longer. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!
On 10/29/2009 05:50 PM, Phillip Jones wrote: Chris Ilias wrote: ... Did you let the Mozilla Crash Reporter report the bug to Mozilla? If so, the crash ID should appear in about:crashes , and we can all have a look at the crash stack. Not the first time. the second time I did. as it stands I figure it will crash at least once a day. on SM 1.1.x I hadn't had a crash in years. And the url to your crash report is? Just click on the report url. Sample: http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/bp-be19f3ef-123e-437f-b503-8ba142091001 [note: that is/was a flash issue most likely isn't related to my SeaMonkey, but that's what caused the crash (flash) so I reported it] ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!
Phillip Jones wrote: Leonidas Jones wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Leonidas Jones wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: /snip/ Phillip, be reasonable. Its the crash reporter that report the crash and its cause to the developers. If *can't* cause the crash. If you see it, the crash has already happened. Disabling it only keeps you from sending the data to those who might be able to fix it. Lee Why am I getting two crashes in as many days. I never ever had a Crash in 1.1.7, and 1.1.8 and ad after I removed the crash reporter several years ago Not once have I had a crash on the 1.1.x series in about 5 years. maybe longer. I don't know Phillip, but I do know that it has nothing to do with Crash Reporter. Its not causing the crash, its the crash that initiates it. Lee ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Steve Wendt wrote: On 10/27/09 07:38 pm, e...@edmullen.net wrote: If I can't remember that one login begins with 1 and the other login begins with e and the third login begins with j ... well, how the hell is this new paradigm better? I mean, look, I plugged all this data into SeaMonkey so SM could remember it, not me. Click in the user name field, then click in it again. It should give you a drop-down list of saved items. Or for keyboard users, tab to the user name and press the down arrow key. -- Warning: May contain traces of nuts. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!
Leonidas Jones wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: »Q« wrote: In news:q_wdny42wbu5vnvxnz2dnuvz_j6dn...@mozilla.org, Robert Kaiser ka...@kairo.at wrote: The SeaMonkey project at Mozilla is excited to release its completely refurbished next generation of the all-in one Internet suite today: SeaMonkey 2.0 Congratulations and thanks to everybody involved! Now that it is Gold and SkyPilot and QuoteColors now works I'll have to figure out how I can move my current setup in 1.1.8, over again. when I was trying The Beta's for first time I had it copy over all my setup from 1.1.8 Since I've only used the browser section after I found out quote colors, didn't work and was deal breaker. Today I downloaded Quotecolors and it works. So I now want to move on. Besides the news and Email I've also added some filter rules. and other items. Can I completely remove the Profile Folder and do the import? From what you are saying, you have already imported. If you have another profile to import, do not delete the profile folder until you have imported the data. Once you are happy with how 2.0 is working, it would be a good idea to delete the old profile folder, to save disk space. If you have installed 2.0 anywhere other than Applications, move it to the Applications folder, and let it overwrite 1.1.8. Lee Lee, the way I read Phillip's post, He had SM 1.1.18 (with QuoteColours installed) installed, trailed SM 2.xx which made a copy of the profile. He then found the QC could not install, so returned to SM 1.1.18 and has had more emails, etc., included into the profile. Now where he to install the 2.0Final, it would find the old, SM 2.xx profile and not re-import the upto date SM 1.1.18 profile. That's how I read it, anyway!! I'm sure Phillip will let us know if it's otherwise. Daniel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!
On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 04:30:22 +0100, Hartmut Figge wrote: --disable-official-branding --with-branding=../suite/branding/nightly These don't do anything currently since, unlike minefield and shredder, we don't have any alternate branding. Phil -- Philip Chee phi...@aleytys.pc.my, philip.c...@gmail.com http://flashblock.mozdev.org/ http://xsidebar.mozdev.org Guard us from the she-wolf and the wolf, and guard us from the thief, oh Night, and so be good for us to pass. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!
On 27.10.2009 23:51, Steve Wendt wrote: --- Original Message --- On 10/27/09 07:38 pm, e...@edmullen.net wrote: If I can't remember that one login begins with 1 and the other login begins with e and the third login begins with j ... well, how the hell is this new paradigm better? I mean, look, I plugged all this data into SeaMonkey so SM could remember it, not me. Click in the user name field, then click in it again. It should give you a drop-down list of saved items. I think what Ed is talking about is that there is only ONE login/password for each site, not a list of logins/passwords that cover a couple of dozen sites all in one drop down presented at each site. Counter-intuitive IMHO. -- Jay Garcia - Netscape/Flock Champion www.ufaq.org Netscape - Flock - Firefox - Thunderbird - Seamonkey Support ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Tomas Thrainsson wrote: I upgraded it from 1.1.18 and after the upgrade I had a strange occurrence. Every time I try to run Seamonkey, it shuts down all by itself without ever opening a window. I tried downloading it again without any change. Did you uninstall 1.1.18 before installing 2.0? If not, try removing the application directory and re-installing 2.0. Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!
Daniel wrote: Lee, the way I read Phillip's post, He had SM 1.1.18 (with QuoteColours installed) installed, trailed SM 2.xx which made a copy of the profile. He then found the QC could not install, so returned to SM 1.1.18 and has had more emails, etc., included into the profile. Now where he to install the 2.0Final, it would find the old, SM 2.xx profile and not re-import the upto date SM 1.1.18 profile. If so, he should delete the previous 2.0 profile, which should trigger the import again. Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Lou wrote: I wonder if there is a way of sharing my .deb package with people that might want to try it. You could request from us to put it up as a contributed build on the SeaMonkey website (you just should provide a README along with it, explaining any build peculiarities and identifying yourself as the contributor. Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Bret Busby wrote: Due to the reported problems, it seems a bit too problematic to update from 1.1.18 to 2.0, now. Maybe people like me, who need to be consident that our systems are (relatively) stable, need to wait until 2.1 is released. 1) 1.1.18 has a number of know security problems (I actually didn't dare to mention that before 2.0 was out the door) - a large number of the problems fixed in Firefox 3.5.2 to 3.5.4 do exist in SeaMonkey 1.1.18 but have not been fixed in that line, only in the 2.0 release. The largest problem there is that nobody seems to be willing to do all the work of backporting the security patches to that old code. 2) We already know now that 2.1 will not be able to import all the data from 1.x profiles like 2.0 can, as toolkit development removed some of the old import code already. [...] I think it is probably best, for stability, to wait until if and when Seamonkey 2 (or, even better, from the reporting of the problems, version 2.1, with all the bugs of version 2, fixed) makes it into the package repositories for the Linux distributions. Fedora and openSUSE already do provide 2.0 packages for their current or upcoming distribution releases. openSUSE 11.2 is coming in November with SeaMonkey 2.0 available from the installation DVD or official online repository. Also, it would need to be explicitly stated, that Seamonkey v2.x would definitely be able to be installed in parallel with an existing installation of 1.1.x, and, be able to import settings/profiles/history from v1.1.x, on each of the different operating systems, so that the two could be run in parallel (parallel implementation is alsways safest, in software development), to ensure that we do not lose data, as has been reported as having happened with other people who have upgraded from 1.1.18 to 2, or who have replaced 1.1.18 with 2. I've heard more reports of 1.1.x users suddenly losing their whole profile as I've heard reports of users losing data when migrating to 2.0 - and it's perfectly possible to run both versions in parallel on any operating system, they just cannot share any profile data, so mails downloaded via POP, etc. on on version will never be available on the other. The best solution is really to uninstall 1.x, install 2.0, migrate your data over and forget the old version would have any other value than being a part of history. Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
OT: HANG GLIDING. WAS: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!
Steve, are you a hang gliding instructor? Thanks, James . . From: Steve Wendt spam...@forgetit.org To: support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org Subject: Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here! Message-ID: crmdnryvlo4iuhrxnz2dnuvz_vwdn...@mozilla.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed On 10/27/09 07:38 pm, e...@edmullen.net wrote: If I can't remember that one login begins with 1 and the other login begins with e and the third login begins with j ... well, how the hell is this new paradigm better? I mean, look, I plugged all this data into SeaMonkey so SM could remember it, not me. Click in the user name field, then click in it again. It should give you a drop-down list of saved items. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Steve Wendt wrote: On 10/27/09 07:38 pm, e...@edmullen.net wrote: If I can't remember that one login begins with 1 and the other login begins with e and the third login begins with j ... well, how the hell is this new paradigm better? I mean, look, I plugged all this data into SeaMonkey so SM could remember it, not me. Click in the user name field, then click in it again. It should give you a drop-down list of saved items. I tried that. I get the list. If I let go of the mouse button it disappears. If I hold the button and slide down into the list nothing is selected. As Neil suggested using the down arrow key does work. While that's not horrible it's not as convenient as the mouse, IMHO. -- Ed Mullen http://edmullen.net Even if you are happy to see me, get that umbrella outta my butt!!! ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Daniel wrote: Leonidas Jones wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: »Q« wrote: In news:q_wdny42wbu5vnvxnz2dnuvz_j6dn...@mozilla.org, Robert Kaiser ka...@kairo.at wrote: The SeaMonkey project at Mozilla is excited to release its completely refurbished next generation of the all-in one Internet suite today: SeaMonkey 2.0 Congratulations and thanks to everybody involved! Now that it is Gold and SkyPilot and QuoteColors now works I'll have to figure out how I can move my current setup in 1.1.8, over again. when I was trying The Beta's for first time I had it copy over all my setup from 1.1.8 Since I've only used the browser section after I found out quote colors, didn't work and was deal breaker. Today I downloaded Quotecolors and it works. So I now want to move on. Besides the news and Email I've also added some filter rules. and other items. Can I completely remove the Profile Folder and do the import? From what you are saying, you have already imported. If you have another profile to import, do not delete the profile folder until you have imported the data. Once you are happy with how 2.0 is working, it would be a good idea to delete the old profile folder, to save disk space. If you have installed 2.0 anywhere other than Applications, move it to the Applications folder, and let it overwrite 1.1.8. Lee Lee, the way I read Phillip's post, He had SM 1.1.18 (with Quote Colours installed) installed, trailed SM 2.xx which made a copy of the profile. He then found the QC could not install, so returned to SM 1.1.18 and has had more emails, etc., included into the profile. Now where he to install the 2.0Final, it would find the old, SM 2.xx profile and not re-import the up to date SM 1.1.18 profile. That's how I read it, anyway!! I'm sure Phillip will let us know if it's otherwise. Daniel Spot on Daniel. I bit the bullet. Located the SM Profile I had setup for SM move it out on Desk top. Opened SM. it asked whether import from 1.1.x I allowed it. Everything came over. Then I installed SkyPilot Classic and Quote Colors. I did have a silent unexpected Quit. Attributed to the Crash reporter System (still having got that thing right on Mac's always has caused crashes on Mozilla products on Mac). It actually causes crashes on Mac's Now I'll have to disable it again. Anyway I saved just the Mail folder from the originally created SM2 profile as that's what I was interested in. Now I'll zip the SM 1.18 version and Archive. There a few things see exactly right. and with the disappearance of the Forms Manager you no longer edit mistaken information. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!
Robert Kaiser wrote: Daniel wrote: Lee, the way I read Phillip's post, He had SM 1.1.18 (with QuoteColours installed) installed, trailed SM 2.xx which made a copy of the profile. He then found the QC could not install, so returned to SM 1.1.18 and has had more emails, etc., included into the profile. Now where he to install the 2.0Final, it would find the old, SM 2.xx profile and not re-import the up to date SM 1.1.18 profile. If so, he should delete the previous 2.0 profile, which should trigger the import again. Robert Kaiser. Sort did that. I moved it to Trash to hide it. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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On 09-10-28 11:55 AM, e...@edmullen.net wrote: Steve Wendt wrote: On 10/27/09 07:38 pm, e...@edmullen.net wrote: If I can't remember that one login begins with 1 and the other login begins with e and the third login begins with j ... well, how the hell is this new paradigm better? I mean, look, I plugged all this data into SeaMonkey so SM could remember it, not me. Click in the user name field, then click in it again. It should give you a drop-down list of saved items. I tried that. I get the list. If I let go of the mouse button it disappears. If I hold the button and slide down into the list nothing is selected. As Neil suggested using the down arrow key does work. While that's not horrible it's not as convenient as the mouse, IMHO. Here, all I need to do is click on the username field. (If it is not in focus, I can double-click) See: http://ilias.ca/flashback/sm-passwordfill.ogv [334K] Maybe you have an add-on that is interfering? Or maybe your problem only applies to passwords that were imported? [Replies to this post are set to go to mozilla.support.seamonkey] -- Chris Ilias http://ilias.ca List-owner: support-firefox, support-thunderbird, test-multimedia Keeper of the Knowledge Base: https://support.mozilla.com/kb/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!
NoOp wrote: On 10/27/2009 06:48 PM, Hartmut Figge wrote: NoOp: Well done! Any idea when a 64bit linux version will be available? Well, there is seamonkey-2.0.source.tar.bz2 :) Hart dr mut You always make it so hard for me (joke) :-) http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/seamonkey/nightly/latest-comm-1.9.1/ [seamonkey-2.0.1pre.en-US.linux-x86_64.tar.bz2] My 64bit tester is still using that w/o issues so far. I wish I could build a 64bit test version on a 32bit VM machine, but haven't figured out how to do that just yet :-) qemu-system-x86_64 if you're on Linux. Do an install of you favorite distribution, then build. I keep a directory which I use to share stuff, NFS mount it from the VM. The install is slow, but it will complete, the compile will work, and running SM-x86_64 will work and be at least as fast as some old computers I have owned. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked. - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!
Robert Kaiser wrote: Bret Busby wrote: Due to the reported problems, it seems a bit too problematic to update from 1.1.18 to 2.0, now. Maybe people like me, who need to be consident that our systems are (relatively) stable, need to wait until 2.1 is released. 1) 1.1.18 has a number of know security problems (I actually didn't dare to mention that before 2.0 was out the door) - a large number of the problems fixed in Firefox 3.5.2 to 3.5.4 do exist in SeaMonkey 1.1.18 but have not been fixed in that line, only in the 2.0 release. The largest problem there is that nobody seems to be willing to do all the work of backporting the security patches to that old code. 2) We already know now that 2.1 will not be able to import all the data from 1.x profiles like 2.0 can, as toolkit development removed some of the old import code already. That sounds a lot like you have to get on the bus now, the alternative being go back to Baltimore and start over again as a virgin. (E.B.Griswald) Dropping support for migration this soon seems likely to leave more users on 1.1.xx than to force users to migrate before 2.0 has been out long enough to knock off the rough edges. Even Microsoft gave up trying to force upgrade by beating with a stick, you can still go from XP to Win7, and old applications from before XP still work (for the most part). I guess I better keep my 2.0 install files handy, to migrate people who wait until they have a chance to watch other do the jump first. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked. - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!
Robert Kaiser wrote: The SeaMonkey project at Mozilla is excited to release its completely refurbished next generation of the all-in one Internet suite today: SeaMonkey 2.0, now available for free download from the seamonkey-project.org website, melds the ideas behind Netscape Communicator with the modern platform of Firefox 3.5 to create one of the most compelling open source products for advanced Internet users. As Ralph Kramden used to say, How suite it is! I doubt anyone under 50 knows who he was... -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked. - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!
Phillip Jones wrote: I did have a silent unexpected Quit. Attributed to the Crash reporter System (still having got that thing right on Mac's always has caused crashes on Mozilla products on Mac). It actually causes crashes on Mac's Now I'll have to disable it again. The crash reporter system doesn't _cause_ the crashes, it only comes up once the crash has already happened and tries to report the cause of the crash to us so we can find out how to correct the crash. Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!
Bill Davidsen wrote: Dropping support for migration this soon seems likely to leave more users on 1.1.xx than to force users to migrate before 2.0 has been out long enough to knock off the rough edges. This is not our decision, it's the Mozilla toolkit that is dropping support for that after 3 years of no well-maintained new major release with that infrastructure - it's just that SeaMonkey did take quite long to do an actual release based on the new code. Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Robert Kaiser wrote: Bill Davidsen wrote: Dropping support for migration this soon seems likely to leave more users on 1.1.xx than to force users to migrate before 2.0 has been out long enough to knock off the rough edges. This is not our decision, it's the Mozilla toolkit that is dropping support for that after 3 years of no well-maintained new major release with that infrastructure - it's just that SeaMonkey did take quite long to do an actual release based on the new code. No matter the cause, the effect will be the same. I'm not sure this will cause many to change their upgrade plans though as most will be unaware of it until too late. Graham. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Graham wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: Bill Davidsen wrote: Dropping support for migration this soon seems likely to leave more users on 1.1.xx than to force users to migrate before 2.0 has been out long enough to knock off the rough edges. This is not our decision, it's the Mozilla toolkit that is dropping support for that after 3 years of no well-maintained new major release with that infrastructure - it's just that SeaMonkey did take quite long to do an actual release based on the new code. No matter the cause, the effect will be the same. I'm not sure this will cause many to change their upgrade plans though as most will be unaware of it until too late. Graham. Well, manual migration of the profile is not that difficult, and has the advantage of removing the cruft of multiple version upgrades. It might not be the worst thing. On the other hand, maybe it would be well to keep a link to 2.0 on the website, specifically geared for new 1.1.x upgraders. Instruct them to install 2.0, migrate their data, then check for updates to newer versions. Lee ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Leonidas Jones wrote: On the other hand, maybe it would be well to keep a link to 2.0 on the website, specifically geared for new 1.1.x upgraders. Instruct them to install 2.0, migrate their data, then check for updates to newer versions. As you can see on the website today, we still carry links to all our old versions, and we'll continue to do that. For now, the only thing we surely will know that will be lost is import of download history, which is not that essential for most users, but still, it's one part of data, and I expect that others will follow the same path in the future. Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!
On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 13:54:29 -0400, Bill Davidsen wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: 2) We already know now that 2.1 will not be able to import all the data from 1.x profiles like 2.0 can, as toolkit development removed some of the old import code already. That sounds a lot like you have to get on the bus now, the alternative being go back to Baltimore and start over again as a virgin. (E.B.Griswald) You have it exactly right, except that some of the Toolkit devs were, er, far more blunt and somewhat disdainful when they said that to us. Dropping support for migration this soon seems likely to leave more users on 1.1.xx than to force users to migrate before 2.0 has been out long enough to knock off the rough edges. Even Microsoft gave up trying to force upgrade by beating with a stick, you can still go from XP to Win7, and old applications from before XP still work (for the most part). It isn't us (SeaMonkey developers) that need to be told this :( Phil -- Philip Chee phi...@aleytys.pc.my, philip.c...@gmail.com http://flashblock.mozdev.org/ http://xsidebar.mozdev.org Guard us from the she-wolf and the wolf, and guard us from the thief, oh Night, and so be good for us to pass. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!
Bill Davidsen wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: The SeaMonkey project at Mozilla is excited to release its completely refurbished next generation of the all-in one Internet suite today: SeaMonkey 2.0, now available for free download from the seamonkey-project.org website, melds the ideas behind Netscape Communicator with the modern platform of Firefox 3.5 to create one of the most compelling open source products for advanced Internet users. Fantastic! What wonderful work by the SeaMonkey team, backed by the power of Mozilla Gecko and its horde of contributors! (Then is finally NOW.) :) As Ralph Kramden used to say, How suite it is! I doubt anyone under 50 knows who he was... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEQg-L-Rbp0 +3:50 ;) -- Rich(Pull thorn from address to e-mail me.) SeaMonkey - Surfing the net has never been so suite! ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!
Robert Kaiser wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: I did have a silent unexpected Quit. Attributed to the Crash reporter System (still having got that thing right on Mac's always has caused crashes on Mozilla products on Mac). It actually causes crashes on Mac's Now I'll have to disable it again. The crash reporter system doesn't _cause_ the crashes, it only comes up once the crash has already happened and tries to report the cause of the crash to us so we can find out how to correct the crash. Robert Kaiser It does. As long as its running SM will crash. in SM 1 since I disabled the reporter I haven't had a Crash in years. SM2 the first time after going to SM2 Final then importing everything from 1.1.8 which went off without a hitch. I was reading a message had to switch from it to another application . while hidden it crashed. I didn't even realize it was crashed until I aimed to switch back and notice in the Doc it wasn't run I restarted it opened up normally. Then when I quit the program to take a break and closed all the windows I had open (just a couple) there it was all the way in the Background. When it was running in 1.1.x and it was working it would pop to the front. It would come to front. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Philip Chee wrote: On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 13:54:29 -0400, Bill Davidsen wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: 2) We already know now that 2.1 will not be able to import all the data from 1.x profiles like 2.0 can, as toolkit development removed some of the old import code already. That sounds a lot like you have to get on the bus now, the alternative being go back to Baltimore and start over again as a virgin. (E.B.Griswald) You have it exactly right, except that some of the Toolkit devs were, er, far more blunt and somewhat disdainful when they said that to us. According to threads previous about developers I though that developers were made out to be just like regular users? The Comment above proves a point I tried to make but was scoffed at. Like I said developers either design for Board of Directors, and the stockholders; or the developers for themselves and other developers. The user isn't in the equation. Dropping support for migration this soon seems likely to leave more users on 1.1.xx than to force users to migrate before 2.0 has been out long enough to knock off the rough edges. Even Microsoft gave up trying to force upgrade by beating with a stick, you can still go from XP to Win7, and old applications from before XP still work (for the most part). It isn't us (SeaMonkey developers) that need to be told this :( Phil -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!
Phillip Jones wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: I did have a silent unexpected Quit. Attributed to the Crash reporter System (still having got that thing right on Mac's always has caused crashes on Mozilla products on Mac). It actually causes crashes on Mac's Now I'll have to disable it again. The crash reporter system doesn't _cause_ the crashes, it only comes up once the crash has already happened and tries to report the cause of the crash to us so we can find out how to correct the crash. Robert Kaiser It does. As long as its running SM will crash. in SM 1 since I disabled the reporter I haven't had a Crash in years. SM2 the first time after going to SM2 Final then importing everything from 1.1.8 which went off without a hitch. I was reading a message had to switch from it to another application . while hidden it crashed. I didn't even realize it was crashed until I aimed to switch back and notice in the Doc it wasn't run I restarted it opened up normally. Then when I quit the program to take a break and closed all the windows I had open (just a couple) there it was all the way in the Background. When it was running in 1.1.x and it was working it would pop to the front. It would come to front. Phillip, I have not noticed this at all. I don't remember if this was a problem with Communicator or not, but it realy isn't today. Lee ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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On 10/28/09 06:21 am, Jay Garcia wrote: Click in the user name field, then click in it again. It should give you a drop-down list of saved items. I think what Ed is talking about is that there is only ONE login/password for each site, not a list of logins/passwords that cover a couple of dozen sites all in one drop down presented at each site. No, I think it does what Ed wants - lists all the logins for the current site. If you want a complete list, the password manager works the same as it always has. Netscape/Flock Champion Isn't Netscape dead? Looks like it is just a AOL Yahoo-style portal, now. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 22:44:54 -0400, Phillip Jones wrote: It does. As long as its running SM will crash. in SM 1 since I disabled the reporter I haven't had a Crash in years. SM2 the first time after going to SM2 Final then importing everything from 1.1.8 which went off without a hitch. I was reading a message had to switch from it to another application . while hidden it crashed. I didn't even realize it was crashed until I aimed to switch back and notice in the Doc it wasn't run I restarted it opened up normally. Then when I quit the program to take a break and closed all the windows I had open (just a couple) there it was all the way in the Background. When it was running in 1.1.x and it was working it would pop to the front. It would come to front. The crash reporter in 1.1 was called Talkback. The crash reporter in 2.0 is called, er, Crash Reporter. The latter is completely different code from a totally different source (google). Secondly, crash reporter in 2.0 never runs until SeaMonkey crashes. When SeaMonkey is running normally, the Crash Reporter is never running. I suggest that you are hallucinating. Phil -- Philip Chee phi...@aleytys.pc.my, philip.c...@gmail.com http://flashblock.mozdev.org/ http://xsidebar.mozdev.org Guard us from the she-wolf and the wolf, and guard us from the thief, oh Night, and so be good for us to pass. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!
The SeaMonkey project at Mozilla is excited to release its completely refurbished next generation of the all-in one Internet suite today: SeaMonkey 2.0, now available for free download from the seamonkey-project.org website, melds the ideas behind Netscape Communicator with the modern platform of Firefox 3.5 to create one of the most compelling open source products for advanced Internet users. The combination of an Internet browser, email amp; newsgroup client, HTML editor, IRC chat and web development tools, that has already established a wide user base in its previous incarnations, has been rebuilt on top of the modern Mozilla platform, featuring world-class add-on management among other things. In addition, it has been improved with feed support (including an RSS and Atom feed reader in the mail component), a modern look, restoration of browser tabs and windows after crashes or restarts, tabbed mail, automated updates, smart history search from the location bar, faster JavaScript, HTML5 features (for example video and downloadable fonts), and even support for the Lightning calendar add-on (which will issue a beta for installation on SeaMonkey 2.0 in the next few weeks). The release notes feature more in-depth lists of the improvements and known issues with the new version as well as installation requirements and instructions. Find even more information on SeaMonkey 2.0 and the SeaMonkey project at seamonkey-project.org! Full news article: http://www.seamonkey-project.org/news#2009-10-27 Downloads for all available platforms and languages: http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/ Release notes: http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.0 System Requirements: http://www.seamonkey-project.org/doc/2.0/system-requirements Robert Kaiser SeaMonkey project coordinator ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Robert Kaiser wrote: The SeaMonkey project at Mozilla is excited to release its completely refurbished next generation of the all-in one Internet suite today Oops, forgot another followup-to, please reply only to mozilla.support.seamonkey! Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Robert Kaiser wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: The SeaMonkey project at Mozilla is excited to release its completely refurbished next generation of the all-in one Internet suite today Oops, forgot another followup-to, please reply only to mozilla.support.seamonkey! Thanks, Robert, for all your efforts. -- David Wilkinson ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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dominique wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote, On 10/27/2009 11:27 AM: The SeaMonkey project at Mozilla is excited to release its completely refurbished next generation of the all-in one Internet suite today: SeaMonkey 2.0, now available for free download from the seamonkey-project.org website, melds the ideas behind Netscape Communicator with the modern platform of Firefox 3.5 to create one of the most compelling open source products for advanced Internet users. .../... Robert Kaiser SeaMonkey project coordinator Congratulations to everyone contributing, and specially to you Robert !! Enjoy your vacations !! :) Dominique +1 Congratulations and many thanks to all who contributed to this program! Mark -- http://www.masadsign.nl/logout/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Robert Kaiser wrote: The SeaMonkey project at Mozilla is excited to release its completely refurbished next generation of the all-in one Internet suite today: SeaMonkey 2.0, now available for free download from the seamonkey-project.org website, melds the ideas behind Netscape Communicator with the modern platform of Firefox 3.5 to create one of the most compelling open source products for advanced Internet users. The combination of an Internet browser, email amp; newsgroup client, HTML editor, IRC chat and web development tools, that has already established a wide user base in its previous incarnations, has been rebuilt on top of the modern Mozilla platform, featuring world-class add-on management among other things. In addition, it has been improved with feed support (including an RSS and Atom feed reader in the mail component), a modern look, restoration of browser tabs and windows after crashes or restarts, tabbed mail, automated updates, smart history search from the location bar, faster JavaScript, HTML5 features (for example video and downloadable fonts), and even support for the Lightning calendar add-on (which will issue a beta for installation on SeaMonkey 2.0 in the next few weeks). The release notes feature more in-depth lists of the improvements and known issues with the new version as well as installation requirements and instructions. Find even more information on SeaMonkey 2.0 and the SeaMonkey project at seamonkey-project.org! /snip/ Robert Kaiser SeaMonkey project coordinator This is truly great news, a great day for the old Netscape suite concept. My hearty congratulations to all who have worked so hard. I am assuming that RC2 is the released version, since a check for updates from here found none. Lee ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Robert Kaiser skriver: Robert Kaiser wrote: The SeaMonkey project at Mozilla is excited to release its completely refurbished next generation of the all-in one Internet suite today Oops, forgot another followup-to, please reply only to mozilla.support.seamonkey! Robert Kaiser Robert and the volunteers that made this possible cannot be thanked too much! Being a suite user for more than ten years, this is really a great day; Starting with Netscape Navigator Gold, then Netscape Communicator, then Mozilla Suite and finally SeaMonkey 1.0 - 2.0. Stand-alone applications were never an alternative. I've been using 2.0 for some months now and it's been a pleasure from the start; Feature-rich yet not bloated. Thanks to you, the suite not only lives, it's healthier than ever before! Fred ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Danke an alle die dies möglich gemacht haben :) ~~~ DANKE ~~~ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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On 10/27/2009 07:37 AM, Fred wrote: Robert Kaiser skriver: Robert Kaiser wrote: The SeaMonkey project at Mozilla is excited to release its completely refurbished next generation of the all-in one Internet suite today Oops, forgot another followup-to, please reply only to mozilla.support.seamonkey! Robert Kaiser Robert and the volunteers that made this possible cannot be thanked too much! Agreed. Thank you Robert all the other contributors to SeaMonkey! -Craig ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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On Oct 27, 10:30 am, Robert Kaiser ka...@kairo.at wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: The SeaMonkey project at Mozilla is excited to release its completely refurbished next generation of the all-in one Internet suite today Oops, forgot another followup-to, please reply only to mozilla.support.seamonkey! Robert Kaiser I'm sorry to say, but there's a problem with the latest release. I upgraded it from 1.1.18 and after the upgrade I had a strange occurrence. Every time I try to run Seamonkey, it shuts down all by itself without ever opening a window. I tried downloading it again without any change. I hope this gets addressed, because I really like this client, at least up to now. Tomas Thrainsson ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Tomas Thrainsson wrote: On Oct 27, 10:30 am, Robert Kaiserka...@kairo.at wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: The SeaMonkey project at Mozilla is excited to release its completely refurbished next generation of the all-in one Internet suite today Oops, forgot another followup-to, please reply only to mozilla.support.seamonkey! Robert Kaiser I'm sorry to say, but there's a problem with the latest release. I upgraded it from 1.1.18 and after the upgrade I had a strange occurrence. Every time I try to run Seamonkey, it shuts down all by itself without ever opening a window. I tried downloading it again without any change. I hope this gets addressed, because I really like this client, at least up to now. Tomas Thrainsson Well, I just installed 2.0 final over the top of 1.1.14 on an XP box, snd all went very smoothly, so it is not a generic problem, but something about your system. The best thing for you to do would be to post a separate topic, and give more information about your system, for example, what service packs are installed, and how you installed, over the top of the existing installation, or did you uninstall first, for example. Posting a separate topic will get your problem more attention, rather then having it hide here in an announcement thread. Lee ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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In news:q_wdny42wbu5vnvxnz2dnuvz_j6dn...@mozilla.org, Robert Kaiser ka...@kairo.at wrote: The SeaMonkey project at Mozilla is excited to release its completely refurbished next generation of the all-in one Internet suite today: SeaMonkey 2.0 Congratulations and thanks to everybody involved! -- »Q« /\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign \ / against html e-mailX http://asciiribbon.org/ / \ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Phillip Jones wrote: »Q« wrote: In news:q_wdny42wbu5vnvxnz2dnuvz_j6dn...@mozilla.org, Robert Kaiser ka...@kairo.at wrote: The SeaMonkey project at Mozilla is excited to release its completely refurbished next generation of the all-in one Internet suite today: SeaMonkey 2.0 Congratulations and thanks to everybody involved! Now that it is Gold and SkyPilot and QuoteColors now works I'll have to figure out how I can move my current setup in 1.1.8, over again. when I was trying The Beta's for first time I had it copy over all my setup from 1.1.8 Since I've only used the browser section after I found out quote colors, didn't work and was deal breaker. Today I downloaded Quotecolors and it works. So I now want to move on. Besides the news and Email I've also added some filter rules. and other items. Can I completely remove the Profile Folder and do the import? From what you are saying, you have already imported. If you have another profile to import, do not delete the profile folder until you have imported the data. Once you are happy with how 2.0 is working, it would be a good idea to delete the old profile folder, to save disk space. If you have installed 2.0 anywhere other than Applications, move it to the Applications folder, and let it overwrite 1.1.8. Lee ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!
On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 18:37:53 -0700, NoOp wrote: On 10/27/2009 03:27 AM, Robert Kaiser wrote: The SeaMonkey project at Mozilla is excited to release its completely refurbished next generation of the all-in one Internet suite today: SeaMonkey 2.0, now available for free download from the seamonkey-project.org website, melds the ideas behind Netscape Communicator with the modern platform of Firefox 3.5 to create one of the most compelling open source products for advanced Internet users. Well done! Any idea when a 64bit linux version will be available? As soon as Hendikins gets off shift and gets back home to where his 64bit build machine lives. Phil -- Philip Chee phi...@aleytys.pc.my, philip.c...@gmail.com http://flashblock.mozdev.org/ http://xsidebar.mozdev.org Guard us from the she-wolf and the wolf, and guard us from the thief, oh Night, and so be good for us to pass. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!
On Wed, 28 Oct 2009, Bret Busby wrote: Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 09:50:39 +0800 (WST) From: Bret Busby b...@busby.net To: support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org Subject: Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here! On Tue, 27 Oct 2009, Robert Kaiser wrote: Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 11:27:47 +0100 From: Robert Kaiser ka...@kairo.at To: support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org Newsgroups: mozilla.support.seamonkey, mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey, mozilla.support.seamonkey, mozilla.dev.planning, mozilla.support.mozilla-suite, netscape.public.mozilla.seamonkey, mozilla.dev.l10n Subject: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here! The SeaMonkey project at Mozilla is excited to release its completely refurbished next generation of the all-in one Internet suite today: SeaMonkey 2.0, now available for free download from the seamonkey-project.org website, melds the ideas behind Netscape Communicator with the modern platform of Firefox 3.5 to create one of the most compelling open source products for advanced Internet users. snip Due to the reported problems, it seems a bit too problematic to update from 1.1.18 to 2.0, now. Maybe people like me, who need to be consident that our systems are (relatively) stable, need to wait until 2.1 is released. Ah, the word consident, should have been confident. Too much haste. And I have not yet been able to get spell checking in PINE, to work. One thing that concerns me, is the use of the .tar.bz2 (files like that used to be .tar.gz - the .bz2 entended extension, seems a bit different) file, rather than a package file (like .deb), for Linux. I run Ubuntu Linux 8.04LTS, Debian 5 Linux, and Windows XP with service packs (I believe that I have SP3, in addition to SP2, which I do know was installed, but I am not definite about SP3), although the Win XP should probably now be replaced with Win 7, so I think it is probably best, for stability, to wait until if and when Seamonkey 2 (or, even better, from the reporting of the problems, version 2.1, with all the bugs of version 2, fixed) makes it into the package repositories for the Linux distributions. Also, it would need to be explicitly stated, that Seamonkey v2.x would definitely be able to be installed in parallel with an existing installation of 1.1.x, and, be able to import settings/profiles/history from v1.1.x, on each of the different operating systems, so that the two could be run in parallel (parallel implementation is alsways safest, in software development), to ensure that we do not lose data, as has been reported as having happened with other people who have upgraded from 1.1.18 to 2, or who have replaced 1.1.18 with 2. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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On 10/27/2009 06:48 PM, Hartmut Figge wrote: NoOp: Well done! Any idea when a 64bit linux version will be available? Well, there is seamonkey-2.0.source.tar.bz2 :) Hart dr mut You always make it so hard for me (joke) :-) http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/seamonkey/nightly/latest-comm-1.9.1/ [seamonkey-2.0.1pre.en-US.linux-x86_64.tar.bz2] My 64bit tester is still using that w/o issues so far. I wish I could build a 64bit test version on a 32bit VM machine, but haven't figured out how to do that just yet :-) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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On 10/27/2009 06:57 PM, Philip Chee wrote: On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 18:37:53 -0700, NoOp wrote: On 10/27/2009 03:27 AM, Robert Kaiser wrote: The SeaMonkey project at Mozilla is excited to release its completely refurbished next generation of the all-in one Internet suite today: SeaMonkey 2.0, now available for free download from the seamonkey-project.org website, melds the ideas behind Netscape Communicator with the modern platform of Firefox 3.5 to create one of the most compelling open source products for advanced Internet users. Well done! Any idea when a 64bit linux version will be available? As soon as Hendikins gets off shift and gets back home to where his 64bit build machine lives. Phil Thanks Phil. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!
Robert Kaiser wrote: The SeaMonkey project at Mozilla is excited to release its completely refurbished next generation of the all-in one Internet suite today: SeaMonkey 2.0, now available for free download from the seamonkey-project.org website, melds the ideas behind Netscape Communicator with the modern platform of Firefox 3.5 to create one of the most compelling open source products for advanced Internet users. Bravo. Good work. Well, except for the totally ill-conceived trashing of the modal windows. If I have multiple accounts for a single site (say, American Express, which I do, and many many other sites), and the reason I stored that account info in SeaMonkey in the first place was because I can't and don't want to have to recall the arcane login info, then, no, the new paradigm doesn't work. If I can't remember that one login begins with 1 and the other login begins with e and the third login begins with j ... well, how the hell is this new paradigm better? I mean, look, I plugged all this data into SeaMonkey so SM could remember it, not me. WTFO? The whole point of that function is (well, was) so I don't have to remember, ok? And now you guys broke it. So I now have to remember all my logins in order to use SM's function. Admit it. You broke a perfectly good and useful function. We can argue later about WHY you broke it. But, admit it. The function is broken. The functionality is broken. The usability is broken. Stupid modal window? Users don't care about that argument. I care that I have a useful function on a Web site where I have 3 or 4 or 5 different logins. AND THE REASON I US SM AND IT'S LOGIN FUNCTION WAS ... I DON'T WANNA HAVE TO REMEMBER THIS SHIT!!! Got it now? So, okay, modal windows have been deemed inelegant by the programmers. Fine. No problem. Tell you what. Solve my problem and yours at the same time and I'll praise you. Screw me with nonsensical programming arguments? Sorry. You can't support it. There's no argument you can muster that says your argument outweighs normal usage like mine. Tell me, please. If a user of SM has 3 or 4 (or more) logins to a single site, and the whole purpose of using SM's password manager is to not have to remember any of those logins, so that when a user goes to a login URL he'll be tossed up a modal (sorry, stupid modal) window wherein he can go Oh! Right! My wife's account! No! My account! Oh no!!! My daughter's account! Ooops! My son's account ... Hey. If I wanted to keep all that shit in my brain I'd just use IE. Or something else. What the hell where you people thinking? So, ok, please, tell me. Tell me, in my usage, how am I to employ the new SM paradigm? How is this better for me? And, please, tell me, how does this new and better paradigm work when I log into a site where I have 2, 3, 4 or 5 login identities and I can't remember how any of them start? -- Ed Mullen http://edmullen.net When companies ship Styrofoam, what do they pack it in? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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On 10/27/2009 06:50 PM, Bret Busby wrote: Due to the reported problems, it seems a bit too problematic to update from 1.1.18 to 2.0, now. Maybe people like me, who need to be consident that our systems are (relatively) stable, need to wait until 2.1 is released. By then 1.1.18 will probably be in the Fx 2.0 and Tb 2.0 catagories. One thing that concerns me, is the use of the .tar.bz2 (files like that used to be .tar.gz - the .bz2 entended extension, seems a bit different) file, rather than a package file (like .deb), for Linux. Why? In Ubuntu all you do is download, open Nautilus, double-click the file, extract to your home folder, create a Applications link to the ~/home/seamonkey/seamonkey shell file and run. Or from a terminal: $ ~/home/seamonkey/ $ ./seamonkey or follow the install instructions: http://www.seamonkey-project.org/doc/2.0/install-and-uninstall http://www.seamonkey-project.org/doc/2.0/install-and-uninstall#install_linux I run Ubuntu Linux 8.04LTS, Debian 5 Linux, See above. and Windows XP with service packs (I believe that I have SP3, in addition to SP2, which I do know was installed, but I am not definite about SP3), although the Win XP should probably now be replaced with Win 7, so I think it is probably best, for stability, to wait until if and when Seamonkey 2 (or, even better, from the reporting of the problems, version 2.1, with all the bugs of version 2, fixed) makes it into the package repositories for the Linux distributions. No idea if there is a question or statement in that. Also, it would need to be explicitly stated, that Seamonkey v2.x would definitely be able to be installed in parallel with an existing installation of 1.1.x, and, be able to import settings/profiles/history from v1.1.x, on each of the different operating systems, so that the two could be run in parallel (parallel implementation is alsways safest, in software development), to ensure that we do not lose data, as has been reported as having happened with other people who have upgraded from 1.1.18 to 2, or who have replaced 1.1.18 with 2. Or that. snip ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!
Lou: I wonder if there is a way of sharing my .deb package with people that might want to try it. You could upload it to your webspace. Configure arguments --enable-application=suite --enable-startup-notification --enable-calendar --enable-application=../suite --disable-official-branding --with-branding=../suite/branding/nightly --disable-debug --enable-optimize --enable-64bit That could help others who which to compile by themselves. P.S. Hach, i love this bug in the composer of SM2.1 *g* Hartmut ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Hartmut Figge wrote: Lou: I wonder if there is a way of sharing my .deb package with people that might want to try it. You could upload it to your webspace. Configure arguments --enable-application=suite --enable-startup-notification --enable-calendar --enable-application=../suite --disable-official-branding --with-branding=../suite/branding/nightly --disable-debug --enable-optimize --enable-64bit That could help others who which to compile by themselves. P.S. Hach, i love this bug in the composer of SM2.1 *g* Hartmut Uploaded it here: http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=9db35479c75a777d08f8df73f2072ed6e04e75f6e8ebb871 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
