Re: SeaMonkey 2.39b1 released

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

Could you check Bug 1188348 part 2 patch and one of the patches in Bug 1208971 
for 
including them in 2.39. 1208971 has a work around but the data manager is still 
partially broken without the second patch in 1188348. It still has a problem 
even 
with this one but this might be a different problem in the Observer code. 

Thanks
FRG

On Wed, 04 Nov 2015 11:25:10 +0800, Edmund Wong wrote:

>>WaltS48 wrote:
>>> 
>>> Short Beta test cycle?
>>> 
>>> I see a comm-release build in my RSS feed for comm-release Changelog.
>>> 
>>
>>Yes.
>>
>>Currently spinning 2.39.
>>
>>Edmund


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.39b1 released

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

Thanks. I changed bug 1208971. Kairo is already in the review loop for the 
other 
one. 

On Sat, 07 Nov 2015 13:45:53 +0800, Philip Chee wrote:

>>On 07/11/2015 07:02, Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:
>>> Could you check Bug 1188348 part 2 patch and one of the patches in
>>> Bug 1208971 for including them in 2.39. 1208971 has a work around but
>>> the data manager is still partially broken without the second patch
>>> in 1188348. It still has a problem even with this one but this might
>>> be a different problem in the Observer code.
>>
>>1. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1208971#attach_8681690
>>The patch here adds some tabs to the source code. Please use spaces instead.
>>
>>2. Setting the review flag alone is not enough. You have to set the
>>review flag to a reviewer (more than one is also possible).
>>
>>So set the reviewer field to Neil@parkway
>>
>>Phil
>>
>>-- 
>>Philip Chee <phi...@aleytys.pc.my>, <philip.c...@gmail.com>
>>http://flashblock.mozdev.org/ http://xsidebar.mozdev.org
>>Guard us from the she-wolf and the wolf, and guard us from the thief,
>>oh Night, and so be good for us to pass.


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Re: Managing Permissions

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

The Data Manager is still partially broken. The second part for Bug 1188348 has 
not been checked in yet. Please check if you see errors in the web development 
error console (Ctrl+Shift+J) when you try to adjust the settings. 

You can also use the old cookie manager (see comment 28 in bug 1188348) which 
is 
fixed. 

Due to the changes in the permissions api there might still be other bugs in 
the 
code. If you encounter one add it to bug 1188348. I will try to fix it (and 
maybe 
someone will check it in one day in the future).

FRG

On Sun, 29 Nov 2015 13:45:34 +0100, A Williams wrote:

>>I tend to give most "collateral damage" sites the "Allow for Session" 
>>setting for Cookies.  Today I went through the permissions listing and 
>>discovered that quite a few unwanted sites have the "Allow" setting.
>>
>>So I changed the permissions to "Allow for Session".
>>
>>Positioning to the next site and back again, I see that the Permissions 
>>are immediately reset to "Allow".  Deleting all existing cookies (for 
>>the site) and then trying again does not help.
>>
>>How do I make this change - my personal "do not track" - stick?


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Re: SM knows passwords, won't manage them

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

>>chrome://communicator/content/permissions/permissionsManager.xul

The old Permissions Manager is completly broken too since Seamonkey 2.13. See 
bug 
1209626. Patch not checked in yet but even with the patch it's not perfect. Ok 
button closes the browser if you only have one tab open. I suspect it needs a 
complete overhaul.





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Re: SM 2.39 Data Manager

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

It's a known issue. The entries are really different because they have 
different 
schemes eg. usually http and https. Data Manager needs to change and display it 
all. Check Bug 1188348 for further progress.

On Fri, 18 Dec 2015 00:15:52 -0500, xxyyz wrote:

>>In SM 2.39, Data Manager seems to be broken - all entries are
>>duplicated, and cookie manager (chrome://communicator/content/
>>permissions/cookieViewer.xul) doesn't work.
>>
>>For example:
>>mozdev.org  downloads.mozdev.org  Install Add-onsx Allow
>> downloads.mozdev.org  Install Add-onsx Allow
>>mozilla.org addons.mozilla.orgInstall Add-onsx Allow
>> addons.mozilla.orgInstall Add-onsx Allow
>>
>>No problems in SM 2.38.
>>
>>Is this a known issue or am I doing something wrong?


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Re: Safe Browsing

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

Safe Browsing is broken in 2.40. If you have the lists in your profile they are 
no 
longer updated. In a new profile they are not even created. This is fixed in 
2.44 
and will be fully working again in 2.45. L10N changes were needed which usually 
can't be ported back.

Check bug 1250600:

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1250600

Even this might not have helped here if it was a new phishing site. It only 
works 
for sites which have been reported previously and I have no cluse how fast 
google 
updates them. 

On Wed, 22 Jun 2016 16:14:30 -0700, David E. Ross wrote:

>>If I select [Edit > Preferences > Privacy & Security] on the SeaMonkey
>>menu bar, the Privacy & Security pane has a section named "Safe
>>Browsing".  This section has two checkboxes, one for sites with malware
>>and viruses and one for phishing.
>>
>>If I have those checkboxes checked, I assume SeaMonkey is checking Web
>>sites that I try to visit against some database.  Who owns that
>>database?  How often is it updated?  How often does SeaMonkey check that
>>database?
>>
>>I am asking because my wife did a no-no yesterday.  She received an
>>E-mail purportedly from my cousin.  It was not!  While it had my
>>cousin's name in the From: header field, the E-mail address was quite
>>wrong.  Not noticing the discrepancy, my wife opened the message, which
>>contained a Web link.  She then selected the link.  Very shortly
>>thereafter, she called me into her office to ask about this.  I
>>immediately deleted the message and started a virus scan (AVG).  AVG
>>found a virus in the SeaMonkey cache.  My wife had both checkboxes under
>>"Safe Browsing" checked, so I am wondering how effective is the Safe
>>Browsing capability.
>>
>>-- 
>>David E. Ross
>><http://www.rossde.com/>.
>>
>>Donald Trump says he will create many jobs if he
>>is elected President.  To find out about Trump's
>>ability to create jobs, ask those who are now
>>unemployed because Trump's Atlantic city hotel
>>and casino went bankrupt.


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Re: Is "SeaMonkey 2.40" the last version, or will there be further updates?

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

Seanobkey still does have infrastructure problems. The next planned version is 
2.44 but no ETA yet. In the meantime you can try Adrian 
Kallas unofficial 2.44:

https://l10n.mozilla-community.org/~akalla/unofficial/seamonkey/nightly/latest-comm-release-windows32/seamonkey-2.44.en-US.win32.install
er.exe

It's built from the original sources and is recommended if you have problems 
you can't solve with 2.40. Adrian is also now a member of 
the Seamonkey release engineering team. We do accept bug reports against it in 
case something doesn't work right. When the official 2.44 
arrives you should download the full installer and run it because Adrians 
version does set a different update url.

On Tue, 21 Jun 2016 16:18:48 -0700 (PDT), pthf1n...@gmail.com wrote:

>>SeaMonkey continues to have some issues,
>> 
>>for example, often when I hit the browser's Back button to go to previous 
>>webpage, nothing happens. Very frequent.
>>
>>Is 2.40 the final version, or will there be future updates?
>>
>>I really don't want to switch to another browser, but it definitely appears 
>>obvious that Seamonkey doesn't get updated much at all 
anymore.
>>
>>Any word on this?
>>thank you.
>>
>>long time Mozilla/Seamonkey user, K.


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Re: Safe Browsing

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

On Fri, 24 Jun 2016 17:49:57 -0700, David E. Ross wrote:

>>
>>What is the file that contains the "unsafe" URIs?  Once it is working,
>>will this be something I can edit?  Is Google the only source of the data?
>>

The files are located in you profile under safebrowsing. On Windows they are in 
the appdate\local not appdate\roaming tree. There are several lists depending 
on 
type. Malware starts with goog-malware. They are not user modifiable. 

You can add the lists yourself to 2.40. See Bug 1260457. The content of file 
pref.js.appends.txt needs to be put into the prefs.js file in your profile. 

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Re: Links to Newsgroups Broken, Why Not Fix?

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

First: It's not comm-central code and so the Seamonkey devs didn't close it. 
From 
the comment it seems Mozilla now believes that if it's a fault in their 
mozilla-central code and doesn't affect Firefox or another mozilla-central 
product 
it can be closed at will if no patch is attached. Not sure if this is true but 
it 
looks that way.

Second: Are you sure this hasn't been fixed in between? I can select both links 
in 
the description just fine and Mail & Newsgroups opens. On your test page the 
Server unstated links do not work at all in Seamonkey.

On Mon, 8 Feb 2016 07:54:06 -0800, David E. Ross wrote:

>>Windows 7 Ultimate SP 1 (x64)
>>Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101
>>Thunderbird/38.5.1
>>
>>When I select a link to a newsgroup on a Web page, it does not work even
>>though the link is valid per RFC 5538.  I submitted bug #601618 about
>>this more than five years ago.  That bug was just now closed as WontFix
>>although this is a true software error and not a request for enhancement.
>>
>>See <https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=601618>.
>>
>>-- 
>>David E. Ross
>>
>>The Crimea is Putin's Sudetenland.
>>The Ukraine will be Putin's Czechoslovakia.
>>See <http://www.rossde.com/editorials/edtl_PutinUkraine.html>.


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Re: "Old" SeaMonkey

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

Is automatically check for updates enabled in the profile? If not just use Help 
-> 
Check for Updates and see if the error goes away. 

Btw. Candidate builds for 2.40 are out. These are practically the final builds 
just not pushed to the release servers. You can manually update.

https://archive.mozilla.org/pub/seamonkey/candidates/2.40-candidates/build4/unsign
ed/win32/

On Sat, 6 Feb 2016 17:44:23 -0800, David E. Ross wrote:

>>On 2/6/2016 12:19 PM, Mason83 wrote:
>>> On 06/02/2016 20:50, David E. Ross wrote:
>>>> Windows 7 Ultimate SP 1 (x64)
>>>> Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:42.0) Gecko/20100101
>>>>SeaMonkey/2.39
>>>>
>>>> I have only one installation of SeaMonkey with five profiles.  When I
>>>> select just one of the five, I get an error banner that says:
>>>> "Your copy of SeaMonkey is old and probably has known security flaws,
>>>> but you have disabled automated update check.  Please update to a newer
>>>> version."  None of the other profiles give me this banner.
>>>>
>>>> The affected profile is the only one where "Advertise Firefox
>>>> compatibility" is enabled.  Could that be the cause of the error banner?
>>> 
>>> What User-Agent string does the problem profile advertise?
>>> 
>>> http://whatsmyuseragent.com/
>>> 
>>> Regards.
>>> 
>>
>>Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:42.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/42.0
>>SeaMonkey/2.39
>>
>>-- 
>>David E. Ross
>>
>>The Crimea is Putin's Sudetenland.
>>The Ukraine will be Putin's Czechoslovakia.
>>See <http://www.rossde.com/editorials/edtl_PutinUkraine.html>.


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Re: Very quiet in https://l10n.mozilla-community.org/~akalla/unofficial/seamonkey/nightly/

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

Adrian I just sent them to you via email.

On Wed, 3 Feb 2016 21:49:47 +0100, Adrian Kalla wrote:

>>W dniu 01/30/2016 o 10:51 AM, Frank-Rainer Grahl pisze:
>>> Mozilla changed a lot of stuff in the last two months.
>>> 
>>> comm-aurora and comm-central builds are still broken by bug 1238428. My 
>>> local 
>>> Windows l10n builds did not succeed without private patches because of 
Chatzilla 
>>> and debugQA problems.
>>
>>
>>What patches are that? Where can I find them to integrate them into my
>>patch queue? ;)
>>
>>Best,
>>Adrian
>>
>>P.S. Even after applying the patch for bug 1238428, c-a and c-c do not
>>build... Even more patches needed :/


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Re: SM Won't Open In Correct Profile

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

There is a profiles.ini in %appdata%\mozilla\Seamonkey. If you delete the ini 
Seamonkey should start and create a new default profile. You can also edit it 
and 
see if the wrong profile is in it.

On Sun, 31 Jan 2016 12:33:30 -0500, Larry S. wrote:

>>When my wife set up SM in her new W10 computer, there was a bit of 
>>confusion about profiles. Eventually she got the one she wanted, and 
>>deleted the others (in Profile Manager). Now when she clicks on the SM 
>>logo it wants to open one of the profiles she deleted, resulting in File 
>>Not Found because that profile no longer exists.
>>
>>However, in Profile Manger she has indicated the correct one and clicked 
>>Use Profile. SM refuses to use this (correct) one and keeps opening with 
>>File Not Found.
>>
>>How do we fix this? All help gratefully appreciated!
>>
>>Larry


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Re: USAToday videos won't play?

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

On Mon, 15 Feb 2016 17:47:04 -0500, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

>>If only the devs would finally fix the Cookie Manager, which has been 
>>broken for a year or more. It's really frustrating to try to change the 
>>pref for a domain on the fly (Tools | Cookie Manager | ) 
>>and have nothing happen. Where do I go to upvote that bug?
>>

It's fixed already for some time. Check Bug 1188348: 
http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1188348 . All which is needs is a 
(hopefully) final review and checkin of the source code. This patch needed 
string 
changes so it is unlikely that it will appear before Seamonkey 2.44. There is a 
how to in it so you can change your omni.ja und put the fixes in yourself. It's 
compatible with Seamonkey 2.39+ 

I was unable to test idn domains and some weird permissions might not work. If 
you 
patch it and find something let me know and I will fix it if I can.


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Re: USAToday videos won't play?

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

I am on 2.42 already. I didn't fix anything in the menu but everything under 
Tools 
-> Cookie Manager works for me. There also weren't any fixes in the last months 
in 
this component. Do you see any errors in the Error Console when you try to 
change 
cookie settings using the menu?

On Tue, 16 Feb 2016 13:39:31 -0500, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

>>Does the fix also include the UI under Tools | Cookie Manager, where the 
>>user used to be able to change the policy for the current domain on the 
>>fly? At present, selecting anything except "Manage Stored Cookies" has 
>>no effect.

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Re: USAToday videos won't play? (SOLVED)

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

Candidate builds for 2.40 are up on archive.mozilla.org. They are as good as 
the 
real deal just not uploaded to the right location and obviously missing the 
Data 
Manager fixes. Even the unsigned Windows build is ok because it's identical to 
the 
signed one. No signing for Seamonkey right now:)

Tree is on 2.41 so I no longer build 2.40 but i didn't see any big changes 
between 
them. Gave my private builds to two friends who are happy with it but they do 
not 
use the Data or Cookie Manager

On Tue, 16 Feb 2016 15:24:56 -0500, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

>>Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:
>>
>>> I am on 2.42 already. I didn't fix anything in the menu but
>>> everything under Tools -> Cookie Manager works for me. There also
>>> weren't any fixes in the last months in this component. Do you see
>>> any errors in the Error Console when you try to change cookie
>>> settings using the menu?
>>
>>No.
>>
>>I'm on 2.39, but the behavior has been consistent for over a year: I go 
>>to a site, I want to change the cookie policy for that site, so I make a 
>>selection from the Tools | Cookie Manager menu, and nothing happens. No 
>>error message, no noise, no complaint of any kind; SM simply ignores the 
>>selection and continues as before with the previous selection.
>>
>>The only way around it is to go into the chrome version of the Cookie 
>>Manager and change the policy there, or else tell SM to forget about 
>>this domain (which is an unnecessarily cumbersome and counterintuitive 
>>process, BTW). Having done that, I can go to the page in question and 
>>set a new policy from the menu (SM will honor a new setting only if 
>>there is no old setting).
>>
>>FWIW, I did find a solution to the USAToday site: Tell SM to forget the 
>>cookie policy for usatoday.com, allowing it to revert to my default 
>>policy (first-party session cookies only), whereupon the site set some 
>>20 cookies and started playing the videos. I guess the other people who 
>>could play them had more lenient cookie policies, and the one who 
>>couldn't was also blocking cookies.
>>
>>-- 
>>War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left.
>>--
>>Paul B. Gallagher
>>


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Re: Is JAVA safe ?

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

You could also try Flashgot. Should work in Seamonkey.

On Sun, 21 Feb 2016 12:24:04 -0700, EE wrote:

>>DoctorBill wrote:
>>> I have been converting and watching YouTube vids converted to flv files
>>> via Keepvid. (FLV-Media-Player).
>>>
>>> I now want to save the files as mp3's, but it requires the latest JAVA
>>> plugin.  The mp3's can be saved to DVD and played on my digital SAYO TV.
>>>
>>> Is the new JAVA safe ?  Why is JAVA required for mp3 ?   I barely know
>>> enough of this stuff to use the Keepvid program.
>>>
>>> I hope this isn't muddled up by my ignorance
>>>
>>> DoctorBill
>>
>>You do not need java to play or download mp3 files.  If you use YouTube, 
>>there is a site that will convert the soundtrack from a YouTube video to 
>>..mp3 sound.  If you want to download a video from YouTube, there is an 
>>extension that works very well to do that.
>>http://www.youtube-mp3.org/
>>https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/video-downloader-profession/
>>That extension has to be run through the converter to install in SeaMonkey.
>>http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/
>>


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Re: SeaMonkey crashes on startup

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

Keith,

that is 2.4.1 not 2.41. This would be a massive downgrade. 2.41 has not been 
released yet.

On Sun, 21 Feb 2016 15:19:20 -0500, Keith Thompson wrote:

>>On 02/21/16 2:27 PM, Phil Fry wrote:
>>> SeaMonkey crashes for me as soon as I try to start it.  It had been running
>>> fine until about a week ago. As best I can remember, I shut the computer off
>>> one night and the next morning SeaMonkey crashed on start up.
>>>
>>> I am using SM 2.39, Windows 10.
>>>
>>> I downloaded a fresh version of SeaMonkey, I also downloaded the latest Java
>>> to be sure.
>>>
>>> Everything else is working fine, including Firefox.
>>>
>>> Any suggestions?
>>>
>>> Phil Fry
>>>
>>I would suggest you try upgrading to 2.41
>>http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/2.4.1


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Re: Installing Seamonkey in Debian Jessie (stable)

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

Is the X server and the package libxrender installed? You also seem to miss 
alot 
of the gtk2 packages so the configure barks. If you have gtk2 installed maybe 
only 
the dev packages with the headers and libraries are missing? Which gcc is 
installed?

On Wed, 9 Mar 2016 16:50:12 +0100, Matthias Mueller wrote:

>>Hi,
>>
>>i am relatively new to linux and trying to get Seamonkey to work. There is
>>no package in the Debian Repositories.
>>
>>I have tried to unpack and start Seamonkey this way: "
>>http://www.seamonkey-project.org/doc/install-and-uninstall;.
>>Unpacked inside my homefolder "~/seamonkey".
>>
>>
>>I get this Error Message:
>>
>>user@Desktop:~/seamonkey$ ./seamonkey
>>XPCOMGlueLoad error for file /home/user/seamonkey2/seamonkey/libxul.so:
>>libXrender.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
>>Couldn't load XPCOM.
>>
>>
>>I also get errors when i am trying to compile it myself:
>>http://pastebin.com/8NpkP0RF


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Re: Report web forgery doesn't work on SM 2.40

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

Gabrial,

you can also report them manually by goint to 
www.google.com/safebrowsing/report_phish/?

That's more or less the same url used my Seamonkey.

FRG

On Fri, 11 Mar 2016 10:48:07 +0100, Gabriel wrote:

>>Hi,
>>
>>I needed to submit some phishing websites, but the Report Web Forgery (under 
>>Help menu) doesn't work; I mean that it does nothing, and after I select it a 
>>few times it even disapper.
>>
>>User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:43.0) 
>>Gecko/20100101 Firefox/43.0 SeaMonkey/2.40
>>Build identifier: 20160120191716
>>
>>


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Re: Report web forgery doesn't work on SM 2.40

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

Gabriel,

it's broken but already fixed for 2.44. See Bug 1200263.

On Fri, 11 Mar 2016 10:48:07 +0100, Gabriel wrote:

>>Hi,
>>
>>I needed to submit some phishing websites, but the Report Web Forgery (under 
>>Help menu) doesn't work; I mean that it does nothing, and after I select it a 
>>few times it even disapper.
>>
>>User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:43.0) 
>>Gecko/20100101 Firefox/43.0 SeaMonkey/2.40
>>Build identifier: 20160120191716
>>
>>


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Re: Graphite font rendering library removed from Seamonkey 2.40?

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

The setting is automatically picked up from the mozilla source code tree upon 
which Seamonkey is based and so always reflects the current Firefox setting. If 
the next update is 2.42 it will be disabled by default.

On Mon, 21 Mar 2016 11:09:09 -0700, Amanda Sheppard wrote:

>>Thanks Kyle for your tip.
>>
>>Could someone who is following this email of mine inform the developers of 
Seamonkey to disable Graphite Font Rendering Library in the next update please?
>>
>>The latest ESR of Firefox has disabled it and so has Debian Iceweasel. The 
latest version of Tor Browser in Tor Browser Bundle 5.5.4 and Tails have also 
disabled it for security reasons.
>>
>>Regards.
>>
>>--- kyleterr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>From: Kyle Terrien <kyleterr...@gmail.com>
>>To: support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org
>>Subject: Re: Graphite font rendering library removed from Seamonkey 2.40?
>>Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2016 09:33:00 -0700
>>
>>Amanda Sheppard wrote:
>>> Could someone confirm that, for security reasons, the graphite font 
>>> rendering 
library has been removed from Seamonkey 2.40?
>>> 
>>> If not, how do I remove it?
>>> 
>>> Thanks in advance.
>>
>>I think graphite is still in there.  There is an about:config entry.
>>
>>It's easy to disable.  In about:config, set
>>gfx.font_rendering.graphite.enabled to false.
>>
>>--Kyle
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Washington Online Community Member --->
>>http://www.DCpages.com


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Re: Password Manager improvement request

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

It's likely bad entries in the permissions database. The migration of them in 
2.39 
and 2.40 sometimes didn't work well. You can also currently kill the Data 
Manager 
by adding a permission for an about: page or a similar uri. And if you do not 
have 
a default dictionary entry the passworts won't work either. The later one is 
already fixed in 2.41+ but the Data Manager changes have not been checked in 
yet. 

Anway. I would suggest useing a a new profile after 2.38. So much junk got 
migrated. Even with the fixed Data Manager I junked mine and never looked back. 
Cleared a few problems.

On Tue, 22 Mar 2016 14:25:48 -0400, Bill Spikowski wrote:

>>Gilles CARINATO wrote:
>>> May I advise that the "passwords manager" is not operative for the two last 
versions of Seamonkey 2.39 and 2.40...
>>> Apparently the "remember" function works, but there is no more display 
available of the identification codes and  passwords stored.
>>
>>
>>That's not my experience -- the password manager works the same for me in 
>>2.40 
as it has for years.
>>
>>


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Re: Bug or feature: Aero Peek windows blank under 2.43

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

Bug 1256714

I put a WIP patch in it which still needs work. It breaks for Websites where 
you 
set the zoom level below 100% (which might be a core bug) and the copied jsm 
from 
Firefox works but needs to be adopted to Seamonkey.

On Wed, 20 Apr 2016 06:55:44 -0500, Thee Chicago Wolf (MVP) wrote:

>>Under Win7 x64, 2.42 Aero Peek windows show small previews of the
>>loaded page. Under 2.43, nothing but spinning circle. Feature or bug?
>>Tested with the 2016-04-04 build in
>>https://l10n.mozilla-community.org/~akalla/unofficial/seamonkey/nightly/latest-c
omm-beta-windows64/.


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Re: Bug or feature: Aero Peek windows blank under 2.43

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

Part of the problem is a backend and/or another bug. I filed Bug 1269810 for 
Firefox today.

On Wed, 20 Apr 2016 06:55:44 -0500, Thee Chicago Wolf (MVP) wrote:

>>Under Win7 x64, 2.42 Aero Peek windows show small previews of the
>>loaded page. Under 2.43, nothing but spinning circle. Feature or bug?
>>Tested with the 2016-04-04 build in
>>https://l10n.mozilla-community.org/~akalla/unofficial/seamonkey/nightly/latest-c
omm-beta-windows64/.


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Re: File->Bookmark broken??

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

The mentioned bug has nothing to do with any current bookmark problems in 2.40. 
It 
was just a problem in 2.45a1 for a few days. A string got renamed by mozilla 
devs. 
The usual weekly Seamonkey which has been taken care of by Ratty:)

On Mon, 18 Apr 2016 08:31:09 -0700, David E. Ross wrote:

>>On 4/18/2016 4:47 AM, WaltS48 wrote:

>>
>>This was caused by implementing bug #1261685, which merely furthered
>>making Firefox more like Chrome.  See
>><https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1261685>, where the
>>discussion indicated a concern about breaking the Bookmarks capability.
>>Apparently, that concern was not sufficiently taken into account.
>>
>>This is one more example of the developers making a change that has
>>little substance but horrific consequences.  In the meantime, actual
>>bugs (errors, not enhancements) remain unfixed.
>>
>>
>>-- 
>>David E. Ross
>><http://www.rossde.com/>.


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Re: File->Bookmark broken??

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

Make that: The usual weekly Seamonkey build breakage which has been taken care 
of 
by Ratty:)

Fast fingers as usual...

On Mon, 18 Apr 2016 23:13:55 +0200 (MEZ), Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:

>>The usual weekly Seamonkey which has been taken care of by Ratty:)

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Re: XPCOMGlue Load error

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

Well something is borked. Where did you get the package from? Is it 
really the x64 version. x86 is seamonkey-2.40.tar.bz2 and x64 is 
seamonkey-2.40.en-US.linux-x86_64.tar.bz2


x64 is available here:

https://archive.mozilla.org/pub/seamonkey/releases/2.40/contrib/

FRG
John E wrote:

Thanks FRG.

It's X64.The library is already installed

[quote] apt-get install libxcomposite1
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
libxcomposite1 is already the newest version.
libxcomposite1 set to manually installed. [/quote]

So still getting same error

---
On Sun, 24 Jul 2016 at 14:20:50 +0200, Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:

The error actually is:

 >> libXcomposite.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or
directory

x64 or x86 Seamonkey?

So if the library is not installed try:

apt-get install libxcomposite1
64-bit (installing the x86 version): apt-get install libxcomposite1:i386

and see if the error goes away.

FRG

John E wrote:
 > Hi,
 >
 >I'm running SM 2.33.1 on Ubuntu 14.04 LTS and trying to upgrade to
SM 2.40
 >
 > When I reach Step 5 in
http://www.seamonkey-project.org/doc/install-and-uninstall and try the
command ./seamonkey I get:
 >
 > [quote]
 > XPCOMGlueLoad error for file
/home/sleepy/seamonkey2/seamonkey/libxul.so:
 > libXcomposite.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or
directory
 > Couldn't load XPCOM.
 > [/quote]
 >
 > I have to confess that (silly me) I originally installed my SM 2.33.1
from a non-standard source so this may be part of the problem.
 >
 > I've tried Googling "XPCOMGlueLoad error" and seen plenty of
suggestions relating to Firefox and to other operating systems but am
having difficulty converting these into my own Ubuntu 14.04 and SM 2.40
situation.
 >
 > Grateful any step-by-step suggestions to help me to upgrade and get
myself back on a straight and narrow track again.
 >
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Re: XPCOMGlue Load error

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

The error actually is:

>> libXcomposite.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or 
directory


x64 or x86 Seamonkey?

So if the library is not installed try:

apt-get install libxcomposite1
64-bit (installing the x86 version): apt-get install libxcomposite1:i386

and see if the error goes away.

FRG

John E wrote:
> Hi,
>
>I'm running SM 2.33.1 on Ubuntu 14.04 LTS and trying to upgrade to 
SM 2.40

>
> When I reach Step 5 in 
http://www.seamonkey-project.org/doc/install-and-uninstall and try the 
command ./seamonkey I get:

>
> [quote]
> XPCOMGlueLoad error for file /home/sleepy/seamonkey2/seamonkey/libxul.so:
> libXcomposite.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or 
directory

> Couldn't load XPCOM.
> [/quote]
>
> I have to confess that (silly me) I originally installed my SM 2.33.1 
from a non-standard source so this may be part of the problem.

>
> I've tried Googling "XPCOMGlueLoad error" and seen plenty of 
suggestions relating to Firefox and to other operating systems but am 
having difficulty converting these into my own Ubuntu 14.04 and SM 2.40 
situation.

>
> Grateful any step-by-step suggestions to help me to upgrade and get 
myself back on a straight and narrow track again.

>
>


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Re: Seamonkey 2.48a1 64bit (and 2.47a1 32-bit), win10 and task bar "image" never stops - spinner always present

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

Do you have any userchrome code in the profile which uses the progress 
attribute? 
Any tab extensions?

Does it occur with a fresh profile? 

Works fine here using a locally compiled Seamonkey but I cleaned out the 
Anniversary Update to at least make it usable and use it only for testing in a 
VM. 
This is such a sh*tty release and getting rid of forced adds web search and ads 
eh 
suggestions took a lot. 

On Sun, 14 Aug 2016 14:50:15 +1000, djc wrote:

>>I am experimenting with the latest Seamonkey releases, but don't know 
>>the best words to use for a bugzilla search. I presume this has been 
>>reported.
>>
>>The images for the browser pages on the task bar never settle - they 
>>always show the "spinning" circle. Mailer (newsgroups) is OK.
>>Firefox 48 is OK.
>>
>>This happens with both 2.47a1 32 bit and 2.48a1 64 bit, win 10 
>>Anniversary release (Windows 10 Home 1607 Release).
>>
>>User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:51.0) 
>>Gecko/20100101 Firefox/51.0 SeaMonkey/2.48a1
>>Build identifier: 20160807152714
>>
>>Can anyone provide me with either the appropriate key words or a even a 
>>bug number? I'm ahppy to try to raise a bug.
>>
>>djc
>>
>>
>>


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Re: Seamonkey 2.48a1 64bit (and 2.47a1 32-bit), win10 and task bar "image" never stops - spinner always present

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

I just tried it with the latest available Nightly and it works fine. 

http://archive.mozilla.org/pub/seamonkey/nightly/2016/08/2016-08-10-00-30-02-comm-
central-trunk/

If you can't get it resolved please open a bug report.

On Sun, 14 Aug 2016 12:18:18 +0200 (MEZ), Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:

>>Do you have any userchrome code in the profile which uses the progress 
attribute? 
>>Any tab extensions?
>>
>>Does it occur with a fresh profile? 
>>
>>Works fine here using a locally compiled Seamonkey but I cleaned out the 
>>Anniversary Update to at least make it usable and use it only for testing in 
>>a 
VM. 
>>This is such a sh*tty release and getting rid of forced adds web search and 
>>ads 
eh 
>>suggestions took a lot. 
>>
>>On Sun, 14 Aug 2016 14:50:15 +1000, djc wrote:
>>
>>>>I am experimenting with the latest Seamonkey releases, but don't know 
>>>>the best words to use for a bugzilla search. I presume this has been 
>>>>reported.
>>>>
>>>>The images for the browser pages on the task bar never settle - they 
>>>>always show the "spinning" circle. Mailer (newsgroups) is OK.
>>>>Firefox 48 is OK.
>>>>
>>>>This happens with both 2.47a1 32 bit and 2.48a1 64 bit, win 10 
>>>>Anniversary release (Windows 10 Home 1607 Release).
>>>>
>>>>User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:51.0) 
>>>>Gecko/20100101 Firefox/51.0 SeaMonkey/2.48a1
>>>>Build identifier: 20160807152714
>>>>
>>>>Can anyone provide me with either the appropriate key words or a even a 
>>>>bug number? I'm ahppy to try to raise a bug.
>>>>
>>>>djc
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
>> Regards
>> Frank-Rainer Grahl
>>
>>


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Re: Seamonkey 2.48a1 64bit (and 2.47a1 32-bit), win10 and task bar "image" never stops - spinner always present

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

That ist likely bug 1256714. It has been fixed since 08/11. There is still a 
problem with Aero previews when you set the zoom factor < 100%. This is Bug 
1269810 and is in the Mozilla code. While I opened this one against Firefox its 
likely a toolkit bug but no one on the Mozilla side showed interest in it so 
far. 
Still unconfirmed.

On Mon, 15 Aug 2016 17:10:51 +1000, djc wrote:

>>On 15/08/2016 1:16 AM, Ed Mullen wrote:
>>> On 8/14/2016 at 12:50 AM, djc's prodigious digits fired off:
>>>> I am experimenting with the latest Seamonkey releases, but don't know
>>>> the best words to use for a bugzilla search. I presume this has been
>>>> reported.
>>>>
>>>> The images for the browser pages on the task bar never settle - they
>>>> always show the "spinning" circle. Mailer (newsgroups) is OK.
>>>> Firefox 48 is OK.
>>>>
>>>> This happens with both 2.47a1 32 bit and 2.48a1 64 bit, win 10
>>>> Anniversary release (Windows 10 Home 1607 Release).
>>>>
>>>> User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:51.0)
>>>> Gecko/20100101 Firefox/51.0 SeaMonkey/2.48a1
>>>> Build identifier: 20160807152714
>>>>
>>>> Can anyone provide me with either the appropriate key words or a even a
>>>> bug number? I'm ahppy to try to raise a bug.
>>>>
>>>> djc
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Try searching for "throbber" on Bugzilla. That's what the moving icon is
>>> called.
>>>
>>Thanks Ed.
>>
>>To clarify, I'm not referring to the Seamonkey throbber (green? progress 
>>bar - I'm somewhat red-green colour blind). It's the Windows 10 display 
>>when the mouse hovers over the seamonkey icon on the task bar that is 
>>not updated.
>>
>>I have now installed the same seamonkey-2.48a1
>>
>>[from Adrian Kalla's unofficial page
>>https://l10n.mozilla-community.org/~akalla/unofficial/seamonkey/nightly/latest-c
omm-central-windows64/
>>seamonkey-2.48a1.en-US.win64.installer.exe 2016-08-07 19:50   39M]
>>
>>on a notebook running windows 10 Pro Version 1511 Build 10586.545 (i.e. 
>>the pre anniversary release),
>>
>>I did not reset the profile and this is working fine.
>>
>>So it's as though Win 1607 is not recognising SM 2.48 telling it what 
>>the page looks like so the Windows hover can display the image - though 
>>why that should change beats me since the same version works on Win 1511.
>>
>>Unfortunately I can't upgrade the notebook to Win 1607 - it hangs when 
>>rebooting after the install. Power cycling takes it back to Win1511 
>>whence it provides a cryptic error message which indicates driver 
>>issues. Boo hiss. Makes it difficult to confirm that the Win upgrade 
>>causes the problem.
>>
>>I'll try the latest 32 bit nightly on Win 1607 and raise a bug if it fails.
>>http://archive.mozilla.org/pub/seamonkey/nightly/2016/08/2016-08-10-00-18-13-com
m-central-trunk/
>>File  seamonkey-2.48a1.en-US.win32.installer.exe  33M 10-Aug-2016 
>>08:34
>>
>>Cheers, djc
>>
>>
>>


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Re: Windows 10 Conversion Questions

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

Aside from Windows 10 looking like a 1980 Japanese cheap car (unlike 
Windows 10 they worked fine and where a good bargain) it has serious 
privacy issues. I wouldn't install it. The freebee license is worthless. 
If you upgrade the motherboard no more license. It's most sensitive to 
the network card. If the mac address changes poof goes the lic.


If you want the lic just back up you data install and let Win 10 
activate and then go back to 7 until the bugs and privacy issues are 
ironed out. The next update will appear on August 2 and you can do all 
your customizations again. The last update was more or less a reinstall 
and I doubt this one will be any better. Win 10 just sux unless you are 
a game and need DX12.


FRG

Larry S. wrote:

Rick & Sharon wrote:

Larry S. wrote:

So I must convert to W10 soon, or lose my "freebie". Since I've never
done that, and are a computer amateur, I have questions.

W10 compatability report says "all o.k.".

Is Sea Monkey compatible with W10? If not, what do I have to do so it
will work? Will it have to be reinstalled? Should it be uninstalled
before the conversion?

I save up-to-date copies of the profile and ini in a separate HD, but in
W10 have no idea where to find the profile so I can copy in the saved
version. Help, anyone? (What is the path to the profile, and how do I
find it?) In W7 I know the answer, but W10 is a mystery with a confusing
UI.

What happens to extensions and plug-ins?

I probably have the same questions about everything else--programs, such
as word processing, security and back-up. Ditto with peripherals such as
mouse, monitor, keyboard and printer. Finding all the information I can.

A very intimidating process, to be sure! Taking the plunge soon--hope to
not drown.

Any and all help greatly appreciated!

Larry S.
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:43.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/43.0
SeaMonkey/2.40

My experience with upgrading from Win7 to Win10 with SeaMonkey installed
was: no issues.  The Windows upgrade ran as MS advertises it, and all my
desktop and taskbar icons were untouched, and all worked as they had
before the upgrade.  I've done this to 2 different machines in the last
week, same reeults.
In the event there were any issues, like you, I have a backup regimen in
place.  But there was no need to restore a thing.
Your profile location is the same in W10 as in W7, so that's not an
issue.
If you're still nervous, best thing I can recommend is to turn off your
antivirus during the upgrade, just to be sure it doesn't actively block
anything during the process.  Once the upgrade is done, turn your AV
back on (or re-install it if it complains).

Thank you--that is very encouraging! Incidentally, my antivirus is
planned for an upgrade, so they recommend removing it, then reinstalling
the new version after the upgrade. Seems to match your thoughts!

Thank you again.

Larry S.


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Re: Sea Monkey and Windows 10 - Location of User Profile

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

You can just enter about:support. Show Folder will open the current 
profile folder. The location is basically the same as in Windows Vista 
to 8.1.


Rainer Bielefeld wrote:

On 18.07.2016 19:48, Larry S. wrote:


W10 have no idea where to find the profile so I can copy in the saved
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Re: Windows 10 Conversion Questions

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

Larry after installing Windows 10 you have a 30 day grace period where 
you could go back. But I am not sure if this will void the license and 
it would also at leat leave a lot of junk from the w10 installation on 
the disk.


I suggest you do a full backup with you favorite backup program and 
restore it afterwards. I use the recovery CD from my Acronis 2013 which 
will back up a whole disk to your network or another disk. You can then 
just restore the image which wipes the W10 install.


When you do a Win 10 reinstall later you don't need a serial #. w10 will 
just recognize the hardware and activate itself automatically.


Acronis 2014 and up are less than stellar but you should be able to pick 
up an older version cheap. Otherwise just use whatever you have on hand 
or someone else can recommend.


FRG

Larry S. wrote:

Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:

Aside from Windows 10 looking like a 1980 Japanese cheap car (unlike
Windows 10 they worked fine and where a good bargain) it has serious
privacy issues. I wouldn't install it. The freebee license is worthless.
If you upgrade the motherboard no more license. It's most sensitive to
the network card. If the mac address changes poof goes the lic.

If you want the lic just back up you data install and let Win 10
activate and then go back to 7 until the bugs and privacy issues are
ironed out. The next update will appear on August 2 and you can do all
your customizations again. The last update was more or less a reinstall
and I doubt this one will be any better. Win 10 just sux unless you are
a game and need DX12.

Thank you! How would I go back to Windows 7 after installing W10?

Larry S.


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Re: Win32 nightlies

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

No 2.44 and 2.45 are still VS2013. Mozilla broke building Firefox 47 (2.44) 
with 
VS2015. We could backport the fix if VS2013 doesn't work but would need a 
separate 
mozilla-release branch. It's a one liner. 

2.45 could be build with VS2015 but FF 48 won't be as far as I know.

2.46+ are VS2015 for sure.

Update 3 is being tested and should be in place when 2.46 hits the street.

FRG

On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 08:43:54 -0500, TCW wrote:

>>On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 15:43:21 +0800, Edmund Wong <ew...@pw-wspx.org>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>Hi,
>>>
>>>Just wanted to mention that after figuring out bug 1271903 (reason:
>>>PEBCAK! PEBCAK! PEBCAK! "kinda"), I've re-enabled to nightlies
>>>for trunk and aurora.   (Until the next bustage... :P )
>>>
>>>Now the update here wrt Release, that is blocked by a patch that
>>>needs to be pushed to c-r; but that's now blocked on the tree
>>>being closed.  Once it's opened, someone'll push the (c-b patch
>>>from bug 1092468) to c-r.
>>>
>>>Then I'll do a c-r build.
>>>
>>>After that, we 'should' be in a 'good' shape to build a release.
>>>
>>>[Disclaimer: The above is my update.  Not necessarily reflects
>>> what will happen in reality.]
>>>
>>>:ewong
>>
>>Cool. Looking forward to kicking the tires. Glad some progress has
>>been made. Are these being built against the recently released VS2015
>>U3? Will x64 builds follow shortly after?
>>
>>- Thee Chicago Wolf [MVP]


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Re: Windows 10

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

Yes it works.

On Fri, 8 Jul 2016 11:12:27 -0700 (PDT), popmailt...@gmail.com wrote:

>>On Sunday, July 12, 2015 at 6:48:53 PM UTC-4, S Slicer wrote:
>>> Does anyone know if SeaMonkey will work on Windows 10?
>>
>>I use TB so SM should be ok.


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Re: Aurora CPU hog?

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

On Wed, 6 Jul 2016 21:45:04 +1000, Daniel wrote:

>>Rick, I know a program should not use more RAM than it needs, and should 
>>release the RAM that it doesn't need, but what else would you have been 
>>doing with that 2GB of RAM if it wasn't being used by SeaMonkey??
>>
>>-- 
>>Daniel

Yor PC could play a virtual card game with the memory or maybe sun spots :)

Anyway. Don't use 2.42a2. It's old and a prerelease. 

If you need a new version use the 2.44 from Adrian in the comm-release tree 
until 
an official release arrives. Bug reports against it are accepted.

https://l10n.mozilla-community.org/~akalla/unofficial/seamonkey/nightly/

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Re: Seamonkey 2.48a1 64bit (and 2.47a1 32-bit), win10 and task bar "image" never stops - spinner always present

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

Daniel,

the build process was more or less broken in the last few months. Mozilla 
changed 
it largely to be cloud based and because of it no new versions. This is still 
being sorted out and 2.45 is the next planned release. But until then there is 
no 
official release available.

Adrian Kalla provides unoffcial releases which you can use: 

https://l10n.mozilla-community.org/~akalla/unofficial/seamonkey/nightly/latest-com
m-release-windows32/

Bug reports against them are accepted but if an official release comes out you 
need to download the full installer. It will not auto update itself to the 
official one.

There are also various internal en_US test releases available which at least 
under 
Windows should be fine too for daily use. The latest for Windows is located 
here:

http://archive.mozilla.org/pub/seamonkey/nightly/2016/08/2016-08-11-20-17-50-comm-
release/

It contains the Aero Preview fix. Clearing the history using clear private data 
is 
broken in both builds. Its fixed already and will be in any release later than 
08/13. If you need this function you can delete history items via the sidebar.

If you use any of these internal releases back up you profile or you will not 
be 
able to go back to 2.40 if you encounter problems. The internal database 
version 
has changed for some parts but you can alway install a later version over the 
current one. Profile data will be preserved and upgraded if needed.



On Wed, 17 Aug 2016 19:40:16 +1000, Daniel wrote:

>>On 17/08/2016 10:21 AM, W3BNR wrote:

>>> Thank you - downloaded and installed 2.45.
>>> User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:48.0) 
>>> Gecko/20100101
>>> Firefox/48.0 SeaMonkey/2.45
>>> Build identifier: 20160812205144
>>>
>>In my Win7 SM 2.40, if I select Help->Check for updates, I'm told there 
>>are none! If I click on the SeaMonkey at top right of the Browser 
>>screen, I'm taken to http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ and it is still 
>>offering SM 2.40
>>
>>So is Ed using a Beta version, a private development version or is the 
>>Win64 version available but no Win32 version??
>>
>>-- 
>>Daniel
>>
>>User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:43.0) Gecko/20100101 
>>SeaMonkey/2.40 Build identifier: 20160120202951
>>or
>>User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:41.0) Gecko/20100101 
>>SeaMonkey/2.38 Build identifier: 20150903203501


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Re: Seamonkey 2.48a1 64bit (and 2.47a1 32-bit), win10 and task bar "image" never stops - spinner always present

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

Will not be fixed for 2.44. Fixed for 2.45 and up as of 08/11.

On Tue, 16 Aug 2016 16:49:20 -0400, W3BNR wrote:

>> I confirm this with:

>> User Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:47.0) 
>> Gecko/20100101 
>> Firefox/47.0 SeaMonkey/2.44
>> Build identifier: 20160608085536



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Re: Status of official 2.48 release

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

> What is the status for the official 2.48 release?

ewong is supposed to be back tomorrow. He did celebrate the chinese new year.

> If I update to akalla's 2.48, it should be 100% compatible
> with the official release, right?

Yes as always. Adrian builds from the official trees.

FRG

Mason83 wrote:

Hello,

What is the status for the official 2.48 release?

There have been no updates to the SM blog:
https://blog.seamonkey-project.org/

If I update to akalla's 2.48, it should be 100% compatible
with the official release, right?

Regards.



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Re: Seamonkey 10.50a2

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

Nightly is at 2.51a1. No 10. yet.

Aurora is 2.50a2 so that is the one you probably running now.

a lot of icons in the default theme could use an update to get rid of the 90s 
care bear movies look but overall I like the interface and its usually a major 
selling point for its users including me. I hate minimalistic interfaces and 
hamburger menus. Too clumsy and primitive.


FRG



Luis wrote:

Ray_Net wrote:

Luis wrote on 03-02-17 14:26:
Just installed and so far everything goes smooth. However, since SM looks 
so ancient I wonder when will be modernized or at least its user interface 
revamped.

I think that the official release version of SeaMonkey is 2.46. year 2017
Your SM version 10.50 is of year 3028 ?



Have you ever heard of Nightly Builds? No, you don't.  Google it.


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Re: Seamonkey 10.50a2

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

> So there were all new builds today?

yes. The build master had a hickup and ewong fixed it today after being on 
holiday.



> 2.50a2 is based on Gecko 53 and 2.51a1 on Gecko 54?

Yes. Session restore is broken right now in 2.51a1. Fix is in review.

FRG


WaltS48 wrote:

On 02/03/2017 02:41 PM, Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:

Nightly is at 2.51a1. No 10. yet.

Aurora is 2.50a2 so that is the one you probably running now.

a lot of icons in the default theme could use an update to get rid of the 
90s care bear movies look but overall I like the interface and its usually a 
major selling point for its users including me. I hate minimalistic 
interfaces and hamburger menus. Too clumsy and primitive.


FRG



So there were all new builds today?

That is what I see in latest-comm-central-trunk and latest-comm-aurora at 
<https://archive.mozilla.org/pub/seamonkey/nightly/>


2.50a2 is based on Gecko 53 and 2.51a1 on Gecko 54?




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Re: SeaMonkey with Copernic search

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

Does it additionally use an add-on or is it a standalone product only. If 
standalone the program itself probably needs to be changed. SeaMonkey uses the 
same folder structure and format as Thunderbird. If the program recognizes 
only a TB profile nothing we can do.


FRG

George wrote:
Richard, thanks for your response. My apologies for not going into more detail 
about Copernic.  Here's a link to them, landing on a list of files it will 
find...


http://www.copernic.com/en/products/desktop-search/file-types/

Notice it works with Thunderbird. When searching with Copernic, you'll see an 
instant search result, regardless of the email folder. SeaMonkey's search only 
works with one folder at a time.


What do I want that neither does nicely?  I'll have to think about that I 
guess.  Take a look at the website.


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Re: new 2.48 available

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

The sad truth is that until more people actively contribute this won't change 
e.g. has a fairly low priority. Basically pick the minor version number add 3 
and look up the corresponding Firefox release notes.


For 2.46 the fix for the just discovered zero day vulnerability was backported.

FRG


Yamo' wrote:

Hi,

NoOp a écrit le 31/01/2017 à 22:25 :

Security information is still on 2.38:





I didn't found a bug report ; I've reported a new one.




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Re: new 2.48 available

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

Its about:buildconfig in SeaMonkey and Firefox.

But this only gives you the changelog for the whole source tree including 
Thunderbird.


FRG

Daniel wrote:
...


Clicking on your about:build gets 

"Invalid Address

The URL is not valid and cannot be loaded.

The provided address is not in a recognized format. Please check the location 
bar for mistakes and try again."


Maybe that's a FF thing!!



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Re: SeaMonkey v2.45 64-bit

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

> All of those are unofficial builds. I recommend using the official build
> from the SeaMonkey Project, which is version 2.46.

Wrong recommendation. Adrians builds are made from the official sources and 
any problem his builds have the official one will have too unless there were 
fixed in the source tree after the build was done. There is nothing wrong with 
using them. The biggest problem is that crashes do not have crash symbols.


FRG

WaltS48 wrote:

On 02/06/2017 07:31 PM, S Slicer wrote:
I am happily using SeaMonkey v2.45 64-bit.  This 64-bit version had been 
updated to v2.47 and v2.48.  However, both v2.47 and v2.48 crash whenever I 
try to compose an e-mail, or reply to an e-mail.  The only plug-ins I have 
are Adobe Flash Player, Silverlight.  The only add-on I have is FireShot 
which I am not willing to uninstall.


Does anyone know what changed in the newer versions to cause this?


All of those are unofficial builds. I recommend using the official build from 
the SeaMonkey Project, which is version 2.46.






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Re: SeaMonkey v2.45 64-bit

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

Do you have a crash id?

FRG

S Slicer wrote:
I am happily using SeaMonkey v2.45 64-bit.  This 64-bit version had been 
updated to v2.47 and v2.48.  However, both v2.47 and v2.48 crash whenever I 
try to compose an e-mail, or reply to an e-mail.  The only plug-ins I have are 
Adobe Flash Player, Silverlight.  The only add-on I have is FireShot which I 
am not willing to uninstall.


Does anyone know what changed in the newer versions to cause this?


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Re: Sea Monkey Won't Start

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

Which Antivirus is she running?

Microsoft just rolled out the anniversary update to users of Windows 
TH2. Had to block it in the vm because this version is just so much 
garbage. If this qot installed it might have damaged or disabled 
SeaMonkey but this is a full Windows install and you or she should have 
noticed.


FRG

Larry S. wrote:

My wife has SM 2.46 on a Dell laptop using Windows 10. Yesterday it 
worked just fine. Today it won't start. No mail, no browser, nothing. 
Her other programs work perfectly.


She has restarted the computer at least three times. She checked on task 
manager--one time it showed, and she stopped it (although it still 
wouldn't start). She tried to start it from the list of programs; no luck.


Any suggestions or ideas? We'd be very appreciative.

Larry S.


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Re: SeaMonkey v2.45 64-bit

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

Type about:crashes into the location bar. Your crash reports should be there.
FRG

S Slicer wrote:

Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:

Do you have a crash id?

FRG

S Slicer wrote:

I am happily using SeaMonkey v2.45 64-bit.  This 64-bit version had
been updated to v2.47 and v2.48.  However, both v2.47 and v2.48 crash
whenever I try to compose an e-mail, or reply to an e-mail.  The only
plug-ins I have are Adobe Flash Player, Silverlight.  The only add-on
I have is FireShot which I am not willing to uninstall.

Does anyone know what changed in the newer versions to cause this?


Sorry, but I don't have a crash ID.  I did allow the program to send crash 
reports, probably twice for each of the two newer builds.


Would also like to say thanks to all for the replies!  I understand that the 
most stable thing to do would be to stick with the 32-bit builds, but I prefer 
64-bit and v2.45 has been very stable for me.


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Re: Password manager crashes SeaMonkey

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

So far most problems with a hung data manager (which password manager is a 
part of) seem to point to an obsolete and bloated webappsstore.sqlite in your 
profile. Please close SeaMonkey and rename (or delet if you are sure you don't 
need the data in it) this file. It contains offline website storage. Then 
check again.


FRG


Bob Minchin wrote:

As per subject.

Seamonkey 2.46
Win XP SP3

As soon as I open up password manager, the application locks up and I have to 
kill it using Cntl Alt Del


Any clues please?

Tia
Bob


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Re: SeaMonkey v2.45 64-bit

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

WaltS48,

> So, in my limited capacity of supporting SeaMonkey. I need to install 2.46
> from the SeaMonkey Project, 2.48 64-bit from Adrian's builds, or is this users
> install from <http://www.m64.info/index.php/seamonkey-64-bit-download>

no. In theory you would also need to use all platforms and architectures. No 
one expects this. I this case I would just say not reproducible with 2.46 and 
move one. But Adrians builds are supported by the dev team and unless 
SeaMonkey is again able to do day 1 release builds compared to Firefox and 
Thunderbirds they fill a niche quite nicely.


Based on my own local builds I have yet to see bug which was caused by my 
build in case the source wasn't modified. Same with Adrians builds. So its 
actually preferred to get an early warning that 2.48 might have problems :)


FRG

WaltS48 wrote:

On 02/07/2017 01:44 AM, Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:

 > All of those are unofficial builds. I recommend using the official build
 > from the SeaMonkey Project, which is version 2.46.

Wrong recommendation. Adrians builds are made from the official sources and 
any problem his builds have the official one will have too unless there were 
fixed in the source tree after the build was done. There is nothing wrong 
with using them. The biggest problem is that crashes do not have crash symbols.


FRG


So, in my limited capacity of supporting SeaMonkey. I need to install 2.46 
from the SeaMonkey Project, 2.48 64-bit from Adrian's builds, or is this users 
install from <http://www.m64.info/index.php/seamonkey-64-bit-download>


It's getting complicated.

Sorry, I think users should stick with SeaMonkey Project releases.



WaltS48 wrote:

On 02/06/2017 07:31 PM, S Slicer wrote:
I am happily using SeaMonkey v2.45 64-bit.  This 64-bit version had been 
updated to v2.47 and v2.48.  However, both v2.47 and v2.48 crash whenever 
I try to compose an e-mail, or reply to an e-mail.  The only plug-ins I 
have are Adobe Flash Player, Silverlight.  The only add-on I have is 
FireShot which I am not willing to uninstall.


Does anyone know what changed in the newer versions to cause this?


All of those are unofficial builds. I recommend using the official build 
from the SeaMonkey Project, which is version 2.46.


<http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/#2.46>








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Re: [webappsstore.sqlite files ] Re: Password manager crashes SeaMonkey

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

Usually this is used by websites to store offsite data. Sometimes also 
something called supercookies just used to track you.


Under preferences-> Advanced->Offline Web Application you should see if 
something is stored. That can undermine you privacy pretty fast so I 
usually have it disabled. You usually can delete the file. Any needed 
data will be stored again. If unsure move it out of the profile and only 
restore it if you experience problems.


FRG


Ray_Net wrote:
I don't have this problem ...however I see in the profile directory 
those files:

webappsstore.sqlite   43 MB dated 07-02-17 18:33
webappsstore.sqlite-shm 32KB dated 07-02-17 21:59
webappsstore.sqlite-wl 3KB dated 07-02-17 23:35

It looks that those files are used, BUT I never use SM offline.

So what ? Is it a good idea, when SM is not running to delete those 3 
files to gain 43MB ?  I dont know what's inside those files ... So 
better avoid the deletion ?


Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote on 06-02-17 22:55:
So far most problems with a hung data manager (which password manager 
is a part of) seem to point to an obsolete and bloated 
webappsstore.sqlite in your profile. Please close SeaMonkey and rename 
(or delet if you are sure you don't need the data in it) this file. It 
contains offline website storage. Then check again.


FRG


Bob Minchin wrote:

As per subject.

Seamonkey 2.46
Win XP SP3

As soon as I open up password manager, the application locks up and I 
have to kill it using Cntl Alt Del


Any clues please?

Tia
Bob






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Re: Seamonkey 10.50a2

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

Good question. If it hasn't updated itself now it probably won't but this is 
likely an error. As far as I know update for Nightly works.


Ewong is currently switching ditribution servers. When this is finished its 
the next thing which needs to be done. Update from 2.48 to 2.49esr and fix the 
updates for the other branches.


FRG

WaltS48 wrote:


Thanks!

So, my 2.49a2 won't update to 2.50a2?

I wouldn't like that because it is the basis of the proposed, possible ESR 
release and I want to keep testing it until it becomes the next beta.




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Re: new 2.48 available

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

Ok and bye.

FRG

NoOp wrote:


I never thought I'd do this, but I'm actually now starting to tweak
Thundebird UI/Themes so I can use on a full time basis, and using
alternative browsers for the same. I've had to switch all of my clients
from SeaMonkey as we are stuck in time with regards to security
patches/updates.

You know that I appreciate all that you and everyone that contributes to
the SeaMonkey project do, but I just can no longer risk my client's
online security by leaving SeaMonkey installed on their systems.


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Re: SeaMonkey / 2.49a2 / Linux i686

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

Are both versions Adrians unofficial releases? I just compiled a 2.49 de and 
can not reproduce the problem with it. 2.49 just hit beta yesterday. I would 
try it with the next version/language pack which gets released. Make sure that 
both are the same level. If the error is not gone then please open a bug 
against l10n de.


FRG

Wolf wrote:


Problem with German language-pack?

User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 
SeaMonkey/2.49a2

Build identifier: 20170123013001

I'm able to check my Add-Ons with   with the User 
Interface Language  selected.


With the User Interface Language  selected, I get the following error 
message:


XML-Verarbeitungsfehler: Nicht definierte Entität
Adresse: about:addons
Zeile Nr. 353, Spalte 32:
  
-^

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Re: SeaMonkey / 2.49a2 / Linux i686

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

Hmm. The 2.49a2 on Adrians website is dated 12/20 and so is the language pack.
Yours is 01/23 from the build id. Maybe you picked a newer build from the 
comm-aurora tree which would explain it.


ewong is preparing 2.48 right now but it will still take some time. If 
everything goes according to plan 2.49 beta will follow. Or just wait till 
Adrian updates his beta packages.


FRG


Wolf wrote:
Seamonkey is Adrians unofficial release, don't remember where I got the 
language pack from. Never mind, will wait til the official release catches up.


Regards
Wolf

PS
the install.rdf reads as follows:




http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#;
  xmlns:em="http://www.mozilla.org/2004/em-rdf#;>
   
 Abdulkadir Topal 
Alexander Ihrig Michael 
Opitz


 
   
 {92650c4d-4b8e-4d2a-b7eb-24ecf4f6b63a}
 2.49a2
 2.49a2
   
 
   



Frank-Rainer Grahl schrieb:
Are both versions Adrians unofficial releases? I just compiled a 2.49 de and 
can not reproduce the problem with it. 2.49 just hit beta yesterday. I would 
try it with the next version/language pack which gets released. Make sure 
that both are the same level. If the error is not gone then please open a 
bug against l10n de.


FRG

Wolf wrote:


Problem with German language-pack?

User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 
SeaMonkey/2.49a2

Build identifier: 20170123013001

I'm able to check my Add-Ons with   with the User 
Interface Language  selected.


With the User Interface Language  selected, I get the following 
error message:


XML-Verarbeitungsfehler: Nicht definierte Entität
Adresse: about:addons
Zeile Nr. 353, Spalte 32:
  
-^

Regards,
Wolf









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Re: Plain-text formatting

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

Well I prefer plain text not because of bandwidth limitation but it has 
other advantages:


Security: No stupid picture links trying to divert you to an attack 
site. You see the links in plain text and can decide if they are legit. 
No hidden tags etc...


Readability: Most web fonts just s*ck and if the sender decides to 
really play with colors and stuff it get urgkkk very fast :) When I send 
and read mail its usually because of the information and the blink blink 
just distracts from it.


And its so convenient just to copy and past the unformatted text into 
your favorite editor or word processor.


FRG

Felix Miata wrote:

Paul B. Gallagher composed on 2017-01-23 13:29 (UTC-0500):


Even in the U.S., reasonably priced broadband is not hard to find.


Except in places where it's either impossible to find, or limited to 
prohibitively expensive satellite service. Not everyone is in position 
to choose to move just because decent Internet service cannot be had in 
their area.


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Re: new 2.48 available

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

Mostly boring stuff under the hood compared to the jump from 2.40 to 2.46. 
Ratty fixed the default search engine setting which caused so much noise.


You can generate and up to date list of fixes for SeaMonkey in the status 
meeting notes:

https://wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2017-01-24

https://wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2017-01-24#2.47_skipped
https://wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2017-01-24#2.48_planned_next_release

Additionally the Firefox 51.0.1 notes apply as do the TB release notes.

We retained the old error console which was removed from Firefox. It has a new 
internal url but most users will probably never notice :)


FRG

TCW wrote:

On 1/30/2017 11:17 AM, Pat Connors wrote:
Thank you so much, yes, I do us 64 bit.  While I am asking questions, does 
anyone know if there is a place where I can read the changes in this 2.48 
version over the 2.47 version.


change to ...-windows64/ if you use 64-bit. 


It's basically Firefox 51.0.1 under the hood as well as, I suspect, most of 
the fixes in Thunderbird 45.7.0.


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Re: "This connection is untrusted"

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

What virus scanner are you using? Maybe it installed a certificate for Firefox 
only and is snooping on the network traffic.


FRG

MNeeks wrote:

"This Connection is Untrusted" message only comes up in SeaMonkey, not on 
Firefox. All of a sudden I can't use SeaMonkey anymore to browse and it is my all time 
favorite browser.
The only thing that will load is the home page (yahoo.com)I have set up. I am 
running the newest SeaMonkey download and my OS is Windows 10 Home on my Lenovo 
Ideapad. Can anyone tell me what I am doing wrong? Thanks for any help.
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Re: SSL_ERROR_NO_CYPHER_OVERLAP on videosift.com web site

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

I can access the website via https in SeaMonkey 2.48 and 2.49. So it 
should sort itself out. FF 51 is 2.48 so I wonder why it does show an 
error? You sure you have tLS 1.1+ enabled?


FRG


Ant wrote:

Hi!

Recently, http://videosift.com added its secured connections but 
Mozilla's Gecko based web browsers (e.g., Firefox v51 and SeaMonkey 
v2.46) show errors like this in SeaMonkey web browser:


"Secure Connection Failed

An error occurred during a connection to videosift.com.

Cannot communicate securely with peer: no common encryption algorithm(s).

Error code: title="SSL_ERROR_NO_CYPHER_OVERLAP">SSL_ERROR_NO_CYPHER_OVERLAP


The page you are trying to view cannot be shown because the authenticity 
of the received data could not be verified.


 Please contact the website owners to inform them of this problem."


https://s28.postimg.org/9id7f2tjx/ssl.jpg for a screen shot/capture from 
SM's Page Info's Security tab.



I could reproduce this error in both of my computers (64-bit W7 HPE SP1 
OS & 64-bit Linux/Debian Jessie/stable)'s SeaMonkey v2.46 web browsers. 
Also, Firefox v51 in my Debian box. I could not reproduce it in W7's 
IE11 & Debian's Chrome v50 web browsers that aren't based on Mozilla's 
Gecko engine.


I e-mailed the web site owners and got this reply: "The problem seems to 
be that your browser doesn't support newer, securer

SSL protocols (TLS v1.1+), as I just disabled SSLv3 which is no longer
deemed secure, and that must be the only protocol your browser supports.

Can you look into updating your browser so it uses modern, secure SSL
protocols? That would be better to keep everyone secure (as opposed to
keeping our SSL insecure just so your browser can use it)."


As you guys know, both Gecko based web browsers are the (lat/new)est 
stable versions which I told them. "Can't they be made to also support 
modern protocols?" is what they asked. So, I am asking you guys on how 
to resolve/fix this security connection issue.


Thank you in advance. :)


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Re: Why can't I see any colors in SM 2.46?

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

This is likely caused by a bad video driver and/or bug in Windows 10.

If you want to give it another try first make sure you video driver is current.

Then look under Preferences->Appearance->Content

and see if unchecking 'Use hardware acceleration when available' makes a 
difference. There were some major changes to support html5 better in between
2.33 and 2.46 and so buggy drivers cause more problems. Intel drivers e.g. are 
notorious for being buggy.


With 2.33 you will get more and more problems visiting current websites. Also 
if you just installed 2.33 over 2.46 you are likely to have some internal 
profile mismatches now which might result in additional problems. There were a 
lot of internal profile changes between 2.33 and 2.46 and it has been upgraded 
by 2.46.


FRG


rdurrenb...@wi.rr.com wrote:

On Friday, February 24, 2017 at 6:34:38 PM UTC-6, rdurr...@wi.rr.com wrote:

On Friday, February 24, 2017 at 3:20:03 PM UTC-6, Richmond wrote:

rdurrenb...@wi.rr.com writes:




I haven't tried that yet.  Because my husband decided to put on a different 
version and much closer to the one I had originally, we figured that would be 
okay, but since it didn't, maybe I should try the safe mode or different 
profile.




Well, we went back to 2.33 and everything is back again.  Now I can see all web 
sites and my email works all around again and I can see pictures and videos 
again.  I still don't understand why everything disappears when I upgrade.  It 
looks like I have to stay on this version of Sea Monkey to see all.  That 
doesn't make sense, but it was even hard to read this forum and to see where I 
was posting.  Even Facebook was pretty blank.

Nothing happened in safe mode and I didn't try the different profile.  It was 
on Default and has been that way no matter what version I have used in the 
past.  If I try to upgrade again, maybe I will try a different profile, but if 
that doesn't work, I don't know what else to do.

I like Sea Monkey and especially like the email program.  That's why I stick 
with this.  It is just that more and more the earlier versions aren't being 
supported, but I hope I can figure it out somehow to stay with Sea Monkey.

Thanks everyone for your help.  If I try it again and have problems, I will 
come here for more help.  In the meantime, if anyone still has any other ideas, 
I would love to hear them.



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Re: Why can't I see any colors in SM 2.46?

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

Which platform Windows Linux OSX? OS version? Graphics chip? graphics driver 
version?


FRG


rdurrenb...@wi.rr.com wrote:

Ever since I installed 2.46 all I see is text and sometimes I can't see some of 
that.  The pages are like they are transparent.  All white with just some text, 
buttons are just outlines with text titles in them.  The text in any selected 
email in my message box is white and I cannot see who the email is from.  The 
message comes out okay, but not in the message display.  If I want to highlight 
a word or sentence in a composition with a color, like red or importance or any 
other color, it will not highlight anymore.  I also cannot access my saved 
Passwords anymore in my Preferences.

Why should this be happening and how can I rectify it?  Need help.  It is very 
hard to read any web site, including this one.



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Re: Rendering tab pages problem SM 2.46

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

I doubt it will be solved that way. Windows 10 and Intel graphics drivers are 
a match made in heaven. You can't tell which one is more buggy... I will never 
ever again buy a laptop with an Intel only graphics chip in it.


If it comes back look under Preferences->Appearance->Content

and see if unchecking 'Use hardware acceleration when available' makes a 
difference.


FRG

flyguy wrote:

Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote on 2/22/2017 11:57 PM:

Intel video drivers? They are junk and frequently cause these problems. See if
newer ones are available. If other brand please also check if you have the 
latest
driver installed. There were some major changes to suppor html5 better in 
between

2.40 and 2.46 and so buggy drivers cause more problems.

Try disabling hardware acceleration.

FRG


flyguy wrote:

flyguy wrote on 2/22/2017 3:51 PM:

SM 2.46, Win 10, Samsung Activ 9 laptop.

This began after I installed 2.46. Two or three times a week, I will load 
a page
that doesn't completely render and still shows parts of page (in another 
tab on

the same window) I just left.

Waiting a few seconds to a minute often let's it clear on it's own; paging 
down/up

almost always renders it correctly; closing the window and trying again often
renders the pages correctly.

Rebooting fixes it for a couple days, at least.

What can I do get the rendering correct all the time?


It's getting worse: now, a new window - no tabs, no website - can have
incomplete rendering: a black bar directly under the Bookmarks toolbar. If I
hover the cursor along the black bar, it renders that portion of the bar
properly. Tab pages still do not render correctly, however.


It has the Intel HD Graphics 530 Driver version 20.19.15.4549 driver (Nov 25, 
2016 for the win 10 anniversary update) installed, which is supposed to be the 
newest version. Hardware acceleration doesn't seem to be an option with my 
computer.


I just ran the Win 10 Troubleshooter, which said it fixed a problem, please 
reboot, so I did. No problems in the first three minutes...




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Re: Rendering tab pages problem SM 2.46

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

Intel video drivers? They are junk and frequently cause these problems. 
See if newer ones are available. If other brand please also check if you 
have the latest driver installed. There were some major changes to 
suppor html5 better in between 2.40 and 2.46 and so buggy drivers cause 
more problems.


Try disabling hardware acceleration.

FRG


flyguy wrote:

flyguy wrote on 2/22/2017 3:51 PM:

SM 2.46, Win 10, Samsung Activ 9 laptop.

This began after I installed 2.46. Two or three times a week, I will 
load a page
that doesn't completely render and still shows parts of page (in 
another tab on

the same window) I just left.

Waiting a few seconds to a minute often let's it clear on it's own; 
paging down/up
almost always renders it correctly; closing the window and trying 
again often

renders the pages correctly.

Rebooting fixes it for a couple days, at least.

What can I do get the rendering correct all the time?


It's getting worse: now, a new window - no tabs, no website - can have 
incomplete rendering: a black bar directly under the Bookmarks toolbar. 
If I hover the cursor along the black bar, it renders that portion of 
the bar properly. Tab pages still do not render correctly, however.




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Re: I am going to ask a question that will seem dumb to a number of you...

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

What specific problem do you have with 2.50 compared to 2.49? Did you check 
bugzilla if these are known?


FRG


sean wrote:

I installed a few 2.50 version in alternate/separated installs... those remain 
a mess sticking inside 2.49xx for now...


sean


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Re: Password manager crashes SeaMonkey

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

> Something has been changed .

Access to storage was broken in previous versions so naturally its 
slower now because it actually accesses it again.


Doesn't help that every time Data Manager is opened the complete list is 
refreshed 2 times. I looked at it briefly but I think it needs a rewrite 
and switch to asynchronous processing. If SeaMonkey weathers the XUL 
removal storm I will look into it. Not worth it now.


FRG

Ray_Net wrote:

Bob Minchin wrote on 06-02-17 22:29:

As per subject.



I don't have a crash BUT:

When I was in SM 2.40 "data manager" access was in les than a second.
Now with SM 2.46 "data manager" is usuable only after 7 seconds.

Something has been changed .


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Re: Sea Monkey Won't Start

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

The last time I had a similar problem I needed to do a disk check. The disk 
developed a fault:


You can check if you disk is ok with:

http://gsmartcontrol.sourceforge.net/home/index.php/Downloads

Even then there might still be some file system corruption. Schedule full disk 
check from the the Windows drive icon.


FRG

Larry S. wrote:

Edmund Wong wrote:

Larry S. wrote:

My wife has SM 2.46 on a Dell laptop using Windows 10. Yesterday it
worked just fine. Today it won't start. No mail, no browser, nothing.
Her other programs work perfectly.

She has restarted the computer at least three times. She checked on task
manager--one time it showed, and she stopped it (although it still
wouldn't start). She tried to start it from the list of programs; no luck.

Any suggestions or ideas? We'd be very appreciative.



How is your wife starting SeaMonkey?  via a shortcut on the desktop
or directly from the Program Files folder?

I don't know if you've tried this; but, go directly into the
folder where SeaMonkey was installed and run the exe directly.

Edmund

Tried it both ways--no difference. Odd thing, though--She has been able to 
start SM twice, both time after the computer sat, turned on but unused, for 
8-10 hours! However, thank you for being interested in our mystery.


Perplexing!

Larry S.


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Re: 2.50a2 Re: I am going to ask a question that will seem dumb to a number of you...

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

Hmm don't see this under Windows. There are still some problems open 
with 2.50 and 2.51 but mostly they works fine.


Bugs are tracked here for 2.50 and 2.51:

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1319091
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1334779

Maybe a core bug with specific web pages and or extensions. A log of old 
stuff has been removed and older extensions might no longer work.


FRG

sean wrote:

On 2/13/17 2:33 PM, Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:
What specific problem do you have with 2.50 compared to 2.49? Did you 
check bugzilla if these are known?


FRG



Just installed the 2.50a2 nightly from 2/14 on my laptop, thus far all 
the webpages open, unlike earlier 2.50xx version, but all the scripts on 
webpages quickly become unresponsive. Fortunately this laptop is no 
longer my primary access to the www so i will leave it installed and 
follow along the 2.50xx nightlies


User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:53.0) Gecko/20100101 
Firefox/53.0 SeaMonkey/2.50a2

Build identifier: 20170214013001

sean


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Re: SeaMonkey / 2.49a2 / Linux i686

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

> Is there an ETA on 2.48 release?

Beta is planned after 02/03. Release afterwards as soon as possible. An 
infrastructure move behind the curtains is needed so as usual the timeframe 
might change if ewong runs into problems. If Adrian releases a 2.48 before go 
for it. Should be as stable as 2.47.


FRG


David H. Durgee wrote:

Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:

Is there an ETA on 2.48 release?  I am currently running Adrian's 2.47 
release, so that is the next step for me.  I will wait for it to hit 
ubuntuzilla to install.


Dave



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Re: Crashes

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

Remove the HP drivers first. Use ddu to clear them out if it still 
doesn't work. Was the same with my T61 where I originally had the lenovo 
drivers installed.


FRG

JAS wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

On 1/18/2017 6:16 AM, TCW wrote [in part]:
On the drivers advice I went to Intel and found the more current drivers 
and tried to install three different ones and received a pop up that I 
had a customized chip by HP and they could not be installed.


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Re: Cookie retention issue.

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

I changed the processing via the menu in 2.47. Cookie, Image and Popup 
now use the same logic. When 2.48 arrives please check if it still reverts.


The default will not get saved internally so if you set 'Accept Cookies 
Normally' it might be the default and shown as such the next time you 
visit the website.


FRG

Hawker wrote:

On 1/18/2017 7:18 PM, David E. Ross wrote:

On 1/18/2017 2:21 PM, Hawker wrote:

Hey Folks,


Thanx. I basically did this except rather than make the file read only I 
changed the settings on the 2nd launch back to my default. That didn't 
work. I didn't have to do that before 2.46 for this to work so I think 
there is something else wrong.


The fact is I think that Allow Cookies for this website got broken in 
2.46 as before that release all I had to do was click Allow Cookies for 
this web site and it worked fine.  Now it does not seem to retain that 
setting when I come back as it did before.





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Re: Crashes

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

> I know, and they don't even have a Beta build yet. Wonder what the reason for
> that is, or did I just miss it at:

Beta progress is tracked in Bug 1328886:

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1328886

As usual build config changes and the odd bug or two. Nothing serious so far. 
It might still not be possible to include the 'missing' add ons again but 
taking them out in 2.46 seems not to have caused big problems. If this ends up 
as a release and not beta we will see soon. If release we will probably see a 
2.49 beta afterwards.


SeaMonkey 2.48 will likely be the last official version build with gtk2 so if 
you have problems with gtk3 and have not filed a bug better do it now. gtk2 is 
now officially dead with 2.50a1 and up. Mozilla removed the support to build 
it with gtk2.


FRG

WaltS48 wrote:

On 01/16/2017 05:36 PM, David E. Ross wrote:

On 1/16/2017 1:40 PM, WaltS48 wrote:

On 01/16/2017 02:56 PM, David E. Ross wrote:

On 1/16/2017 9:08 AM, JAS wrote:

I have had several crashes lately and wonder if someone can decipher the
crash reports? Using SM 2.48 on Win 7 Pro
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:51.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/51.0
SeaMonkey/2.48 - Build ID: 20161208025245

http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/bp-a263dd8f-403a-4053-bfb0-fe7d32170116 

http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/bp-a6c8d7c6-2968-4f01-989f-8a9b42170116 

http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/bp-c827a390-641a-497f-ba0b-33c202170110 

http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/bp-83b3296e-598a-4ab6-8601-f22a32170109 



Thanks
JAS



SeaMonkey 2.48 is still being developed.  Thus, crashes might be
expected.  Report them at  so
that the developers can fix them before 2.48 is released to end-users.




That might not do any good, as there is no SeaMonkey 2.48 from the
SeaMonkey Project.

Nightly is 2.50a1


Aurora is 2.49a2


Beta is 2.46


Release is 2.46 



According to the minutes of the 10 January 2017 SeaMonkey Status
Meeting, the next release is 2.48.  See
.




I know, and they don't even have a Beta build yet. Wonder what the reason for 
that is, or did I just miss it at:




Maybe they are waiting for next weeks merges, when 2.50a1 becomes 2.51a1, 
2.49a2 becomes 2.50a2, 2.4?b(x) should be 2.49b1 and release would be 2.48. 


Well, Firefox Beta merged to release today, so 51.0rc should be out tomorrow. 
Isn't that what 2.48 is based on?




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Re: Crashes

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

Looks like these come from Adrians or local builds. Unfortunately they do not 
have symbols so the crash reports are almost useless. Do you know what you did 
when SeaMonkey crashed?


It sounds like the same problem mason385 reported. There are a few bug reports 
against the mailnews component open with a similar crash reason.


FRG

JAS wrote:
I have had several crashes lately and wonder if someone can decipher the crash 
reports? Using SM 2.48 on Win 7 Pro
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:51.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/51.0 
SeaMonkey/2.48 - Build ID: 20161208025245


http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/bp-a263dd8f-403a-4053-bfb0-fe7d32170116 

http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/bp-a6c8d7c6-2968-4f01-989f-8a9b42170116 

http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/bp-c827a390-641a-497f-ba0b-33c202170110 

http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/bp-83b3296e-598a-4ab6-8601-f22a32170109 



Thanks
JAS


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Re: Problem on Website with Javascript

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

Works fine in 2.48 beta and 2.50a1. Could you check with a new profile 
and or safe mode.


FRG

Stephan Thiele wrote:
When opening 
https://hoax-info.tubit.tu-berlin.de/software/emailencoder.shtml, 
Seamonkey (Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; rv:49.0) Gecko/20100101 
Firefox/49.0 SeaMonkey/2.46) first gives a warning (script seems to be 
busy) and then crashes. Can anybody reproduce this behavior? Any 
solutions? The page works well with other browsers (Edge, Firefox, Opera).


Stephan


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Re: "Save File" location

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

If it was downloaded it should be somewhere so you should probably be 
searching you drive for the file name.


FRG

Daniel wrote:
>

Nothing showing in the Download Manager. Except for other stuff I've downloaded!

Still, it seems I've downloaded about 255.55MB of stuff tonight, when 25MB 
would normally be a busy night!




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Re: Why can't I see any colors in SM 2.46?

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

When you give it a try:

backup you profile.

Delete your local data:

C:\Users\\AppData\Local\Mozilla

This is all temp stuff. Holds cache files and more.

Uninstall SeaMonkey ( Your profile will not be touched by this).

If there is still a C:\Program Files (x86)\SeaMonkey afterwards delete it.

Reinstall SeaMonkey.

If C:\ is not your boot drive substitute with the right drive id.

Every time this problem popped up so far in a new profile it was a hardware 
problem (mostly with graphics drivers) or a corrupt install. Windows 10 itself 
has beta quality too which doesn't help and doesn't get better.


You can also try Firefox 49 and see if the problems also occurs there. Should 
be because it uses the same backend.


FRG

rdurrenb...@wi.rr.com wrote:

On Saturday, February 25, 2017 at 3:55:07 AM UTC-6, Daniel wrote:

On 25/02/2017 2:27 PM, rdurrenb...@wi.rr.com wrote:

On Friday, February 24, 2017 at 6:34:38 PM UTC-6, rdurr...@wi.rr.com wrote:

On Friday, February 24, 2017 at 3:20:03 PM UTC-6, Richmond wrote:

rdurrenb...@wi.rr.com writes:


On Friday, February 24, 2017 at 3:24:53 AM UTC-6, Richmond wrote:

rdurrenb...@wi.rr.com wrote:

Ever since I installed 2.46 all I see is text and sometimes I can't
see some of that.  The pages are like they are transparent.  All
white with just some text, buttons are just outlines with text
titles in them.  The text in any selected email in my message box
is white and I cannot see who the email is from.  The message comes
out okay, but not in the message display.  If I want to highlight a
word or sentence in a composition with a color, like red or
importance or any other color, it will not highlight anymore.  I
also cannot access my saved Passwords anymore in my Preferences.

Why should this be happening and how can I rectify it?  Need help.
It is very hard to read any web site, including this one.



Check the settings in Edit -> Preferences -> Appearance -> Colours

Try creating a new profile: Tools -> Switch profile -> Manager profiles.

Try running in safe mode.



I already checked my Preferences and the Appearance and the Colors.  There is
nothing there that changed or that I can see to make the change.  I will have
to check out the Profiles or safe mode.


So what happened when you tried in safe mode? And what happened when you
tried a different profile?



I haven't tried that yet.  Because my husband decided to put on a different 
version and much closer to the one I had originally, we figured that would be 
okay, but since it didn't, maybe I should try the safe mode or different 
profile.




Well, we went back to 2.33 and everything is back again.  Now I can see all web 
sites and my email works all around again and I can see pictures and videos 
again.  I still don't understand why everything disappears when I upgrade.  It 
looks like I have to stay on this version of Sea Monkey to see all.  That 
doesn't make sense, but it was even hard to read this forum and to see where I 
was posting.  Even Facebook was pretty blank.

Nothing happened in safe mode and I didn't try the different profile.  It was 
on Default and has been that way no matter what version I have used in the 
past.  If I try to upgrade again, maybe I will try a different profile, but if 
that doesn't work, I don't know what else to do.

I like Sea Monkey and especially like the email program.  That's why I stick 
with this.  It is just that more and more the earlier versions aren't being 
supported, but I hope I can figure it out somehow to stay with Sea Monkey.

Thanks everyone for your help.  If I try it again and have problems, I will 
come here for more help.  In the meantime, if anyone still has any other ideas, 
I would love to hear them.


And, of course, before you "try" anything else, you will back-up your
profile (like we all should) before you try upgrading again, won't you?? ;-)

--
Daniel

User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:49.0) Gecko/20100101
SeaMonkey/2.46 Build identifier: 20161213183751
or
User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:41.0) Gecko/20100101
SeaMonkey/2.38 Build identifier: 20150903203501



I guess I had better to make sure on everything.  Thanks for the reminder!


Linda



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Re: "Save File" location

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

Just tried and it opened the download manager as usual. With 2.49 but nothing 
has changed here since 2.46. Were you in a private window?


If you open the download manager can you see the completed transfer there?

FRG

Daniel wrote:
Whilst on-line with LibreOffice open, I got an indication there was a newer LO 
available (I had 5.1.xxx and there is a 5.2.5 available) so I clicked to 
download it. That opened a webpage at donate.libreoffic.org and a sub-page 
indicating "You have chosen to open: LibreOffice_5.2.5_Win_x86,msi" where I 
clicked the "Save File" button.


At about this stage, I noticed a lot of activity on my Wireless Broadband 
Dialler screen, but I did not get, what I thought, was the normal "Save file 
to:" screen.


Is this the way things are now?? Or, if I clicked to donate, would I get the 
old "Save file to:" screen??


In either case, where has my, now completed, download file been saved??



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Re: Seamonkey Probems Newsgroup on Windows 10

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

Works for me but in a vm. This is likely a Win 10 problem. Which release? 
Original 
10240, 10586 TH2 or the 14393 Anniversary mess?

If Intel graphics see if you have installed the latest video driver.

On Sun, 4 Sep 2016 10:25:37 -0700, Mozillian wrote:

>>
>>Compose does not fully show unless I move the mouse over areas then 
>>stuff, like icons, show.
>>
>>If I right-click "K" a newsgroup then all turn to read.
>>Later when I open Win 10 then Seamonkey the posts are back as unread.
>>
>>I use a shortcut with command line with -mail to go directly to my 
>>newsgroups.
>>I do not use Seamonkey for eMail.
>>
>>This applies to all news sources I have; 4 sources.


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 Frank-Rainer Grahl


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Re: Video doesn't play

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

Well tries to load js from at least 15 external sites. The usual webjunk 
nowadays: 
trackers, ads and supa dupa javascript frameworks mixed with cloud content. No 
wonder I did cut down on browsing the web. Too much noise and too little 
information...

html5 and Javascript support is much improved in later versions. So you might 
try 
a 2.45+. 

Still no offical versions and I have a hunch we won't see a 2.45 either so try 
the 
latest one from Adrian:

https://l10n.mozilla-community.org/~akalla/unofficial/seamonkey/nightly/

On Sat, 3 Sep 2016 10:58:05 -0400, Ed Mullen wrote:

>>On 9/3/2016 at 10:48 AM, WaltS48's prodigious digits fired off:
>>> Ed Mullen wrote:
>>>> 
<http://www.bloomberg.com/news/videos/2016-08-31/what-amazon-s-prime-air-means-for
-fedex-and-ups>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> This video doesn't play in SeaMonkey but does in every other browser I
>>>> tried.  Ideas?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> It played in my SeaMonkey on Linux, not sure if I installed it on the
>>> Win10 notebook yet, but it's on the to-do list.
>>>
>>> Also played in my Firefox Nightly 51.0a1 with uBlock Origin and tracking
>>> protection enabled.
>>>
>>> Tried safe mode, a test profile?
>>
>>Doesn't work in Safe Mode, does in a clean profile. Hmm.  I'll try to 
>>figure it out later.  Thanks, Walt.
>>
>>-- 
>>Ed Mullen
>>http://edmullen.net/
>>"Computers are useless. They can only give you answers." - Pablo Picasso


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 Frank-Rainer Grahl


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Re: Seamonkey release?

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

Ray_Net wrote:

Therefore the guy who say that WebMasters should sniff Gecko instead of
other part of the Use Agent string are WRONG ! :-)


No it just means that building Seamonkey is not possible for a time 
until the incompatibility is fixed. This is usually the case when you 
don't see any Nightly builds for a few days.


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Re: 64 bit SeaMonkey

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

Big Jim wrote:

If I want to try a 64 bit version of SeaMonkey, will it install over the
32 bit version or will it be a separate install that I will have to
import everything (profile info, data, mail, bookmarks etc.) into?


It will be a separate install using the same profile. Best is to 
deinstall the 32 bit version first and then install 64 bit. Your data 
will be preserved. Lighting is a binary extension and if it doesn't auto 
update itself during the install you might need some minor fiddeling to 
get it back but you data won't be deleted.


But as always there is unimportant data and backed up data so if you are 
unsure just backup you profile before trying it.


FRG
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Re: Seamonkey release?

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

WaltS48 wrote:


Agreed but gtk3 itself is a pile of and at some point sticking to gtk2
will no longer work ... I use Linux only occasionally but I am quite
sure this is/will become a problem for Firefox too. 2.45 was supposed
to use gtk2. I will ask in the next status meeting if we should switch
at least aurora, beta and release to gtk2 until the problems are solved.



It is a problem for Firefox and Thunderbird on Linux.




Yes but we had/have similar reports and I had trouble myself with gtk3 
on CentOS 7.2 using KDE and oxygen-gtk3: 
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1268185


The bug is marked fixed but even after using yum update no new 
oxygen-gtk3 got installed. Firefox and Seamonkey did just crash when 
started with this theme.


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Re: Seamonkey release?

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

Felix Miata wrote:

Frank-Rainer Grahl composed on 2016-09-10 00:03 (UTC+0200):


In the mean time if you need a new release grab 2.45 from Adrian if you
are on Windows or Linux. His releases are build from the original
sources and bug reports against them are accepted:


Last I tried a version newer than 2.42 I found it unusable due to
several GTK3-related bugs, the worst of which 1269145 is WONTFIX, while
the others remain open:
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1269274
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1269145
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1269149

:-(


Agreed but gtk3 itself is a pile of and at some point sticking to gtk2 
will no longer work ... I use Linux only occasionally but I am quite 
sure this is/will become a problem for Firefox too. 2.45 was supposed to 
use gtk2. I will ask in the next status meeting if we should switch at 
least aurora, beta and release to gtk2 until the problems are solved.

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Re: Seamonkey release?

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

Felix Miata wrote:

WaltS48 composed on 2016-09-09 09:22 (UTC-0400):


I think the SeaMonkey developers should base the next version on Gecko
45 ESR (which would have been SM 2.42), call it SM 2.45 and bring it up
to date with the Firefox ESR security and stability releases. I think
that would make it currently SM 2.45.3.0.


Notwithstanding SM's limited resource pool, I don't get why a similar
proposal wasn't taken to heart long long ago.


Because its no good. The codebase currently isn't the problem. There are 
a few minor problems in the tree caused by Mozilla changes like unable 
to set a default search provider. But these all have workarounds. The 
real problem is with building and distributing an update thru official 
mozilla servers. If this would work for ESR it would also work for 2.45 
or 2.46 next week. Ewong is on it but it might be some time till we see 
a release.


In the mean time if you need a new release grab 2.45 from Adrian if you 
are on Windows or Linux. His releases are build from the original 
sources and bug reports against them are accepted:


https://l10n.mozilla-community.org/~akalla/unofficial/seamonkey/nightly/

2.47a2 is also stable at the moment but I would recommend 2.45 or 2.46. 
Make sure you use a build after 09/02 because I goofed and earlier ones 
didn't always show the favicon correctly (ok minor problem you might not 
even notice...).


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Re: Seamonkey release?

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

Jupp at best gtk2 is a short time solution but I would still base the next 1-2 
releases on it. I didn't follow gtk bugs but 3.21 als was a can of worms a few 
months ago. 3.22 is supposed to be out soon so this would need to work.


On Sat, 10 Sep 2016 23:45:14 +0200, Adrian Kalla wrote:

>>W dniu 09/10/2016 o 05:46 PM,  »Q « pisze:
>>>> Agreed but gtk3 itself is a pile of and at some point sticking to
>>>> gtk2 will no longer work ... I use Linux only occasionally but I am
>>>> quite sure this is/will become a problem for Firefox too. 2.45 was
>>>> supposed to use gtk2. I will ask in the next status meeting if we
>>>> should switch at least aurora, beta and release to gtk2 until the
>>>> problems are solved.
>>> 
>>> It definitely is a problem for Firefox.  AIUI, Mozilla have deprecated
>>> building Firefox using gtk2, but haven't said anything about the time
>>> frame for fully dropping support for building that way.  If you find
>>> out anything from them about this, please post back.
>>> 
>>
>>It will likely be as always: GTK2-bugs won't be fixed anymore and with
>>time GTK2-Firefox/Thunderbird/SeaMonkey will not work properly or even
>>not build. It will just happen. And some time after that, the build
>>switch for GTK2 will be removed.
>>
>>GTK2 is a dead horse. GTK2 with Gecko is even more dead. I wouldn't
>>waste any time to let it keep breathing. Just choose a decent GTK3-theme
>>and all your problems will vanish.


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Re: SeaMonkey features re (HTML4 &/or HTML5)?

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

html5 support has improved a lot between 2.40 and current 2.46 which 
hopefully arrives soon. SeaMonkey should support all standard html5 
features Firefox support so any current website which supports Firefox 
should work in SeaMonkey. Just make sure to cut back on the Javascript 
and try to avoid using too much external content.


I wouldn't worry too much about html5 and more about the actual design. 
A lot of new mobile optimized websites make me want to barf when viewing 
them with a PC or laptop.


FRG

Richard Owlett wrote:

On 9/28/2016 10:30 AM, WaltS48 wrote:

On 9/27/2016 2:10 PM, Richard Owlett wrote:

That's an imperfect subject line to say the least.
Does SeaMonkey have a specification more detailed than the
"Feature
List" at http://www.seamonkey-project.org/doc/features ?

The "World Wide Web Consortium" has test suites
[http://validator.w3.org/] to demonstrate compliance of a WEB
page with
various HTML standards.

My interest is from a different perspective. What features of
HTML4
and/or HTML% an SeaMonkey handle as page designer intended?

Background: Our Pastor wishes the church to have a WEB presence -
including the availability of sermons. I date from dial-up era
when much
audio was "download then play". Streaming was available in
theory - my
ISP could not keep up with it.

I understand that HTML5 has an "audio tag". In reality, what
does that
mean?
What questions should I &/or Pastor be asking?
Comments?

*CAUTION* -- I date from era of *HIGH* speed PAPER tape ;/




Are you going to be creating this web presence and do you plan to
use SeaMonkey Composer to create the site?


Actually niether. The church was given a quotation for creation and
hosting of the site. They had looked at a "design your own website with
'free' hosting". The fine print bothered me so I got involved.






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Re: No images display in 2.40 email

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

The image permissions problem was likely fixed in 2.44. Unfortunately no 
official new release yet. You can try the latest 2.45 from Adrian:


https://l10n.mozilla-community.org/~akalla/unofficial/seamonkey/nightly/

When a new official release arrives you just need to install the 
complete installer. If you want to go back to 2.40 backup your profile


If you don't care about your privacy and like sh*tty ugly so called 
modern 2D interfaces on you desktop then Chrome is at least the browser 
with the biggest market share right now... I stick with SeaMonkey :) 
Chrome has no email client so you need to install a separate mail client 
for Chrome.


FRG

techfor...@tucsonhappens.org wrote:

On Wednesday, September 21, 2016 at 8:37:42 PM UTC-7, 
techf...@tucsonhappens.org wrote:

I am very frustrated that now that I have installed seamonkey 2.40, though it 
has solved the problem of continuous crashing, I can no longer see ANY images 
in my email, though the preferences have nothing blocked.  I disabled all 
addons except session manager to no avail.  I do not think opening each and 
every of multitudinal images in the browser is a workaround.  So, what to do? 
2.41?

I also hate restting myself up each time, but how do I find my previous 
sessions?

Lastly,  I heard that Chrome is the best browser because, unlike all other 
browsers, it does not use java which is a back door to all sorts of unsavory 
things.  So what can you tell me on this and seamonkey?


btw, i have win 10 64



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Re: SeaMonkey no longer minimizes to the taskbar correctly

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

>> How dare the developers force something upon users without asking 
first. ;)


Bad developers! Sit! Sit!

Should be a snap exposing the pref in the preferences ui. Someone should 
just file a bug for it. Current default setting true is ok for me and so 
I am too lazy to do it :)


rsx11m usually does the pref ui changes so set him on cc. If he doesn't 
have time I will do it.


Because of the necessary string change even if implemented won't make it 
before 2.49 which is since yesterday the current SeaMonkey Nightly version.


FRG


WaltS48 wrote:

On 9/20/2016 2:13 PM, Ed Mullen wrote:




Try setting browser.taskbar.previews.enable to false in about:config.
Default is true.



Just came across the setting in Firefox Nighty Options > General for
"Show previews in Windows taskbar". Nothing like that in SeaMonkey?


I don't think so. I looked and looked.




How dare the developers force something upon users without asking first. ;)


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Re: Firebug when Passing from SM 2.38 to SM 2.40

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

Currently just take the SeaMonkey minor version add 3 and you have the 
Firefox version. Should be good for the next 44 releases.


FRG

Daniel wrote:

On 20/09/2016 11:15 PM, TCW wrote:

On Tue, 20 Sep 2016 20:35:23 +1000, Daniel 
wrote:


On 20/09/2016 7:29 PM, Ray_Net wrote:

I just prepared to de-install SM 2.38 and install SM 2.40 the Released
version ...
All the files I need now are on my local disk.

When I have been on the FireBug Download page
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/firebug/
I see "Only with FireFox" and also:
"Download Anyway" -- and -- "Works with Firefox 30.0a1 - 49.0"  - "View
other versions"

The question is : SM 2.40 is equivalent with what FireFox version ?


Ray, the way I work it out is to add the bits of the SM version and then
add another one, so SM 2.40 is equivalent to FF (2 + 40 + 1) 43


Well, I'm on 2.46 and 2 + 40 + 6 does not equal 49 so this versioning
equivalency is no longer valid.

User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; Win64; x64; rv:49.0)
Gecko/20100101 Firefox/49.0 SeaMonkey/2.46


Sorry!!  You forgot to add the extra "1". So 2 + 46 + 1 does equal 49??
Or, as you might have written it 2 + (40 + 6) + 1 = 49!!



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Re: SeaMonkey on Win 10 is terrible

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

Mozillian wrote:

Anybody know what to do ?


Deinstall it and install Windows 7 or 8.1 with classic shell. Windows 10 
is junk and you will have problems ever times MS breaks ahh I mean 
enhances something. If you have the Anniversary edition stop and disable 
the delivery optimization service and see if it gets better.


https://privacy.microsoft.com/en-US/windows-10-windows-update-delivery-optimization

Not seeing any problems in Win 10 Pro 10586 during occasional tests. 
Deleted the VM with the latest 14393 version. I couldn't stand this junk 
version any longer.


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Re: SUCCESS!! - was [Re: Automatic redirection now off - What did I change?]

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

No. I checked it it could be added with just a few code lines but its 
not possible. Would need some work to work.



WaltS48 wrote:

Hopefully, they will add Reader View to SeaMonkey. Maybe it already has
it, I'll have to check my 2.40 later.


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Re: No images display in 2.40 email

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

> SeaMonkey has electrolysis stuff?

No and it's unlikely this will happen in the near future. Not only 
SeaMonkey would need code changes but also the shared mailnews code for 
it and Thunderbird. I wouldn't hold my breath.


Somewhere around 2.43 SeaMonkey got a subjective speed boost. I suspect 
changes in the Javascript engine are responsible for it mostly. Now 
build with VS2015 but I didn't see any speed differences between VS2013 
and VS2015 while doing parallel builds a few months ago.


Personally until a new official release arrives use Adrians comm-release 
builds. 2.46 has almost a 100 fixes in the SeaMonkey code alone compared 
to 2.40. Bug reports against Adrians builds are accepted.


FRG


WaltS48 wrote:

On 09/26/2016 09:42 AM, TCW wrote:

SeaMonkey has electrolysis stuff?

I can't see any difference in my Firefox Beta without electrolysis and
My Firefox Nightly with it. YMMV


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Re: 64 Bit SeaMonkey Page Reload Problem

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

No. Unable to reproduce this with my local 2.45 and 2.46 builds. x64 works 
fine. 
Windows x64 is only available from Adrian. He just updated his 2.46 build. 
Was/is 
this the one you are running. If you can not solve this please open a bug and 
fill 
in the details including the build date and source revision from which it was 
built. See about:buildconfig for the source revision.

On Sat, 29 Oct 2016 21:35:35 -0400, Big Jim wrote:

>>A few days ago I updated SeaMonkey to 64 bit.
>>I like the 64 bit browser but in both Version 2.45 and 2.46 I have found 
>>that I cannot reload a page by clicking on "Reload" or by pressing F5. 
>>If I hold down "Control" and click "Reload" the page will reload in a 
>>new tab.  If I try this with F5 nothing happens.  The only way that I 
>>have found to reload a page in the same tab is by clicking it in the 
>>navigation frame and hitting "Enter".
>>This only happens in the SeaMonkey browser and I did not have the 
>>problem using 32 bit.
>>Has anyone else seen this?  Is there a work around?
>>Thanx!


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 Frank-Rainer Grahl


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Re: Seamonkey-2.46 using prefs.js for all users.

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

Kirk,

Firefox more or less removed copying defaults in Bug 1234012:

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1234012

We restored the functionality for the files we ship eg. the userchrome 
examples but anything else will not be copied.


If you want to copy additional files please look at bug:

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1240798

Changing this one to include an additional file if it does not exists 
would be trivial.


FRG


kirkpu...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi,

Just compiled Seamonkey-2.46. Seems to work well, but in the past 
(Seamonkey-2.40 and b4) we could place global user defaults in 
/usr/lib64/seamonkey/defaults/profile/prefs.js, etc. Then when a user first 
executes Seamonkey their defaults would be a copy of the ones in 
/usr/lib64/seamonkey/defaults/profile/. But that's not happening with 2.46, it 
just seems to ignore anything except bookmarks in 
/usr/lib64/seamonkey/defaults/profile/. Has location for global defaults 
changed?

Thanks,
Kirk



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Re: Bug 1308923 - Opening new e-mail compose window crashes (WIN 10?)

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

I will push the fix soon so the next Nightly should no longer crash. The 
underlying problem looks like it needs another fix/port so please report 
additional observations if you encounter a similar problem with opening 
links and the fixed nightly.


FRG

Rainer Bielefeld wrote:

Hello,

do we have a WIN10-user who can try to reproduce "Bug 1308923 - Opening
new e-mail compose window crashes [@ InvalidArrayIndex_CRASH |
nsTArray_Impl::ElementAt | nsCommandManager::CommandStatusChanged ]"
?

Best regards

Rainer



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Re: Bug 1308923 - Opening new e-mail compose window crashes (WIN 10?)

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

This bug is only valid in 2.49a1 and up due to recent changes in mozilla code.

On Wed, 9 Nov 2016 18:23:47 -0500, W3BNR wrote:

>>Works fine in 64bit SM 2.46 Windows 10
>>
>>User Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:49.0) Gecko/20100101 
SeaMonkey/2.46
>>
>>
>>-- 
>>73 de Ed, W3BNR
>>
>>"War creates peace like hate creates love."   -David L. Wilson
>>


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Re: Win 10 x64 English stable version link for downloaded needed for 2.46 or later

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

bwitzed wrote:

Hi.  I have installed 2.46 as I was told that it most stable.  The only problem 
is that the only language choice is German and I cannot understand the menus.  
Would someone please provide me with an exact link to an actual downloading 
file (and not just confusing list)to an english version of 2.46 or other stable 
version for Windows 10 x64?

I am mostly happy with the performance of this version but would like be able 
to use the menus.



From where did you download it?

For Windows the most recent en-us build should be:
https://archive.mozilla.org/pub/seamonkey/candidates/2.46-candidates/build6/unsigned/win32/en-US/SeaMonkey 
Setup 2.46.exe


Its not a final build but works.

For Adrians unofficial builds:

https://l10n.mozilla-community.org/~akalla/unofficial/seamonkey/nightly/latest-comm-release-windows32/seamonkey-2.46.en-US.win32.installer.exe

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Re: Seamonkey 2.40 (latest stable) uses NSS 3.20.1 - possible security vulnerability

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

I wouldn't start hacking together a version with different binaries. Might work 
might not. And this won't close any bugs in the base product which could be 
exploited if you are so concerned about security.

Better check if the latest en-US candidate 2.46 test builds works for you or 
use 
Adrians latest 2.46 build. They are both build from the same sources and 
updating 
to the next official build whenever it arrives will be possible just by 
downloading it. Adrians is gtk3 and the candidate gtk2 for Linux users. Windows 
VS2015 but Adrians should be a little faster because he used -O2 for compiling.

If you use a hacked together build do not open bug reports against it.

There will be no 2.40.x builds. The next one will be 2.46 if the l10n build bug 
can be fixed in time.

FRG

On Sun, 16 Oct 2016 21:59:19 +0200, Ray_Net wrote:

>>Lee wrote on 16/10/2016 17:45:
>>> On 10/16/16, Ray_Net <tbrraymond.schmit...@tbrscarlet.be> wrote:
>>>> seemonkey12...@gmail.com wrote on 13/10/2016 08:06:
>>>>> There's at least one security vulnerability that is missing from this NSS
>>>>> version: http://www.cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2016-1950
>>>>>
>>>>> There was a bugfix in NSS
>>>>> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1245528 to solve this issue
>>>>> but unfortunately it seems that this bugfix is not in 3.20.x according to
>>>>> the developer entries. I didn't check the code yet if the bugfix is really
>>>>> missing!
>>>>>
>>>>> So my question is why seamonkey uses still this outdated NSS version? It
>>>>> should use at least 3.21.1 (that is in latest firefox esr /45.4.0/ and
>>>>> also in latest thunderbird /45.4.0/)
>>>>>
>>>>> As a workaround i can copy the nss libraries from firefox esr to seamonkey
>>>>> until a security release of seamonkey let's say 2.40.1 arrives. I tried
>>>>> this end i can start seamonkey with newer NSS library because they're
>>>>> compatible.
>>>> "As a workaround i can copy the nss libraries from firefox esr to
>>>> seamonkey "
>>>>
>>>> Could you tell us what we need (in details) to do ?
>>>> I have Firefox 46.0.1 and SeaMonkey 2.40 on a windows pc.
>>> Upgrade.
>>>
>>> The current version of Firefox is 49.0.1
>>> about:support / Library Versions says the NSS* expected & in use version is 
3.25
>>>
>>> The 'current' version of SeaMonkey is 2.40 and is missing a lot of
>>> security patches.  Upgrading requires that you download & install a
>>> new version of SM instead of waiting for it to upgrade automatically.
>>> **where** to download the new version from is a bit of a question tho
>>> :(   I'm guessing the safest bet is
>>> 
https://l10n.mozilla-community.org/~akalla/unofficial/seamonkey/nightly/latest-com
m-release-windows32/
>>> if only because akalla had to pick _this_ particular build to make
>>> available for downloading.  SeaMonkey 2.46 has the same 3.25
>>> about:support / Library Versions for NSS* as FF.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Lee
>>You don't understand.
>>- I hate to install a not released SM.
>>- I stay with FireFox 46.0.1 because I am able with it to do "View 
>>Selection Source" using my version of Firefox, because my SM 2.40 cannot 
>>do it.
>>- He said " It should use at least 3.21.1 (that is in latest firefox esr 
>>/45.4.0/" and because my version of Firefox is greater (46.0.1) I can 
>>use nss from this version to put into SM because it should be > 3.21.1.
>>So the question is still open:
>>How, in details,  can I use the NSS of my FireFox 46.0.1 into my SM 2.40 ?


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Re: Seamonkey 2.40 (latest stable) uses NSS 3.20.1 - possible security vulnerability

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

seemonkey wrote:

But it would close the vulnerability in nss. If one would release a seamonkey 
let's say 2.40.1 only with the change of nss 3.21.1 the result would be the 
same as i described. I didn't mention any bug in the base product. The whole 
topic was started with nss and not bugs/sec vuln. in seamonkey.

So keeping SM 2.40 official release without replacing the nss is the worst one 
can do at the moment. If you trust an unofficial build (2.46) then install it. 
Or copy the dlls as i described.


The worst thing you could do is assume you are covered. It would close 
one vulnerability in nss not all. Current nss is 3.28 beta and 3.26.2 in 
the next Firefox release. I am quite sure there some few security fixes 
in the latest version too. You best protection is still a script and an 
Ad blocker when browsing the web.


A 2.40.1 can not be released because the l10n part of the build system 
is broken. It it weren't so we would have 2.46 already.


Adrians unofficial builds are ok. You can trust them. And if you run 
en-US there are now candidate builds for every platform available too. 
They are not final but this only means that the build process stopped 
with an error when it came to building the l10n versions. Building en-US 
was mostly finished at this stage.


That said ewong is still busy building and I hope we will see the final 
2.46 soon.


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Re: Is anyone else having problems playing Brightcove.net's videos?

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

Yes. 2.46 first. The l10n bug still stalls the release. If this works 
then a 2.47 should follow soon.


FRG

Ant wrote:

I thought they were still aiming to do v2.46?


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