Re: Jeremy Curry is leaving Ai Squared

[John Covici via Talk]

Same here, good luck in your new position.  
On Fri, 14 Oct 2016 23:45:32 -0400,
michaels mail via Talk wrote:
> 
> Good luck Jeremy for the future i also enjoyed your webinars.
> Cheers Michael.
> 
> -Original Message- From: Jeremy Curry via Talk
> Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 6:14 AM
> To: Linda Mentink ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: RE: Jeremy Curry is leaving Ai Squared
> 
> Thank you very much, Linda.
> 
> God Bless,
> 
> Jeremy
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Linda Mentink [mailto:ment...@frontiernet.net]
> Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 2:54 PM
> To: Jeremy Curry ; Window-Eyes Discussion
> List 
> Subject: re: Jeremy Curry is leaving Ai Squared
> 
> Hi Jeremy,
> 
> I wish you the best. I'm always encouraged when I see that people
> are willing to say that God is leading them. That's important to
> a Christian, and that's a wonderful Bible verse.
> 
> Blessings,
> 
> Linda
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Jeremy Curry via Talk  To: Window-Eyes Discussion List  sent: Fri, 14 Oct 2016 17:56:18 +
> Subject: Jeremy Curry is leaving Ai Squared
> 
> Hi Everyone,
> 
> I hope this message finds you all well.  As the subject says, I
> will be leaving  Ai Squared. After serving with this team for
> nearly 12 years, my final day will be Friday, October 28.  I have
> decided to take a job with Interactive Accessibility.  While I
> won't be part of Ai Squared any more, I want you all to know that
> it has been an honor to serve our customers.  I plan to continue
> to stay active in the assistive technology community, and I don't
> plan to be a stranger.  
> As one of my favorite Bible verses says, "In their hearts humans
> plan their course, but the Lord establishes their steps"
> (Proverbs 16:9). I am looking forward to the new challenges and
> people that God has in store for me.
> 
> Warm Regards and God Bless,
> 
> Jeremy
> Jeremy Curry
> Director of Product Management
> Ai Squared, Inc.
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Re: is this definite? was RE: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes

[Drew Clark via Talk]

but before jaws, jonathan mosen used window eyes. 

Sent from my  window eyes mail app done by me! 

> On 15 Oct 2016, at 9:10 AM, Sky Mundell via Talk  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Vaughn. They defenatly do have a foothold in the market and they can
> control it to their advantage. I bet Erick comes to NZ to promote JAWS to
> agencies, and not to mshen Jonathan Mosen used to work for them.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
> Behalf Of Vaughan Dodd via Talk
> Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 6:00 PM
> To: Nick Sarames; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: is this definite? was RE: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes
> 
> Their place in the market is virtually secure: they have an almost 
> international monopoly on screen reader software.
> 
> 
> Vaughan.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 10/15/2016 1:32 PM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:
>> It's not enough to complain, you have to find a way to show them that
>> this would hurt their place in the market.
>> 
>>> On 10/14/2016 8:30 PM, Kenneth Son via Talk wrote:
>>> Hello list.
>>> 
>>> Start a petition and send it to this company stating you do not want to
>>> see Window Eyes phased out.
>>> 
>>> Kenneth Son.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On 10/14/2016 18:51, Chris Skarstad via Talk wrote:
 No official word yet.  If you want to make sure Window-eyes stays
 around, please write to the VFO folks and let them know that you
 expect the same type of customer service and great products as you did
 when ai squared was around. This will let them know you care about the
 product and that you are a loyal user.
 
 
 
 
> On 10/14/2016 4:17 PM, darren harris via Talk wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> Is this actual policy or are people just panicking? Is wineyes going
> to be
> fazed out?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> 
> [mailto:talk-bounces+darren_g_harris=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com]
> 
> On Behalf Of Samuel Wilkins via Talk
> Sent: 14 October 2016 20:28
> To: bj colt via Talk
> Subject: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes
> 
> Hello John,
> 
> I have been drafting a letter to VFO because, as you know, there is
> speculation that Window-Eyes is going to be phased out.  If it is, I am
> not switching to Jaws, because I won't be able to afford it, amongst
> other reasons.  However, in my letter, I have pointed out that if
> Window-Eyes goes, it provides a significant problem for blind people
> wanting to get into work, as not everyone has an access to work fund.
> Moreover, one of the few ways we can work, especially for younger
> people, is volunteering, and there, we may be in a crisis, as IT
> technicians are paranoid about NVDA, since it is open source, and they
> think it could contain a virus or compromise security in another way.
> We would be in limbo, as they won't want NVDA, and they won't pay for
> Jaws, as Access to Work won't pay for equipment for unpaid work, so you
> would have to buy a license for every computer you use out of your own
> pocket.  What do you think?  Also, I have heard that they are
> developing
> both Magic and ZoomText.  How come they are doing that, but phasing out
> Window-Eyes?  To me, this is a case of double standards.
> 
> 
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Re: Jeremy Curry is leaving Ai Squared

[michaels mail via Talk]

Good luck Jeremy for the future i also enjoyed your webinars.
Cheers Michael.

-Original Message- 
From: Jeremy Curry via Talk

Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 6:14 AM
To: Linda Mentink ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Jeremy Curry is leaving Ai Squared

Thank you very much, Linda.

God Bless,

Jeremy


-Original Message-
From: Linda Mentink [mailto:ment...@frontiernet.net]
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 2:54 PM
To: Jeremy Curry ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 


Subject: re: Jeremy Curry is leaving Ai Squared

Hi Jeremy,

I wish you the best. I'm always encouraged when I see that people are 
willing to say that God is leading them. That's important to a Christian, 
and that's a wonderful Bible verse.


Blessings,

Linda

- Original Message -
From: Jeremy Curry via Talk 

Re: this is only speculation, no official announcement has been made. wasRe: is this definite? was RE: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes

[Bryan Peterson via Talk]

True, but it's precisely because of the lack of an official announcement, 
not to mention Freedom Scientific's past lawsuits against GW Micro, that 
people are convinced that Window-Eyes' days are numbered. I for one hope not 
of course but I'll use it as long as I can before making a decision whether 
to go Mac or grit my teeth and use NVDA.


-Original Message- 
From: Chris Skarstad via Talk

Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 4:46 PM
To: geo...@optonline.net ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: this is only speculation, no official announcement has been made. 
wasRe: is this definite? was RE: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes


No official announcement has been made on the status of Window-eyes.
Some of you are so convinced it's going away, yet nothing has come down.
Why don't you wait for an official announcement before making the next
step? Or, better yet, if you *really* value Window-eyes as a
screenreader, write to them and let them know that their efforts would
be worth something, if some decision were to be made.  JAWS gets a lot
of its use from government contracts, so Window-eyes could have a
foot-hold on the consumer end, if they were to make it available at a
reduced price, or continue to offer the free version, which I think they
still do. so i do believe there is a place for it.



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Re: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes

[Bryan Peterson via Talk]

I didn't care for the NVDA version of Eloquence. It wouldn't save my 
settings.


-Original Message- 
From: Sky Mundell via Talk

Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 7:24 PM
To: 'Sky Mundell' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' ; 'Vaughan Dodd'
Subject: RE: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes

Also, I read that NVDA screen reader will be coming out with contracted
braille input in grade 2 braille. NVDA's braille support is on par with
JAWS, in my opinion, and NVDA updates very very frequently.
-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Sky Mundell via Talk
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 6:18 PM
To: 'Vaughan Dodd'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes

Absolutely right, Vaughn.

-Original Message-
From: Vaughan Dodd [mailto:vdodd...@vodafone.co.nz]
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 6:13 PM
To: Sky Mundell; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes

Yes: but it also meant that no money was going into Window-Eyes
developments.


The insiders in this industry have a lot to answer for.  They correctly
commented positively on the opportunity to get a good screen reader into
the hands of many more blind people, but they were silent on issues of
ongoing investment into research and development, future releases, and
the need for new tools to deal with applications which are less
intuitively accessible.


I don't see how Microsoft would want to continue subsidising
Window-Eyes.  Windolw-Eyes needs development, and Office wil surely
undergo changes over time which adversely affect  usability for
Window-Eyes users.  And Microsoft thinks Narrator will be its answer -
an insult to the thinking  blind person who relies on screen readers to
do more than browse the web.




Vaughan.




On 10/15/2016 8:46 AM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote:

Pluss, they won't even make JAWS free for office like Window-eyes did.

This

office deal was a chance for everybody to brake away from JAWS

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Reeva Webb via Talk
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 12:39 PM
To: Samuel Wilkins; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes

They gonna kill off magic. Trust me. Fs always knew magic was trash. As

soon

as the shark and zt get reworked to work well together. Magic will be put

to

it's deserved death, zt fusion and we will be killed  and i'll have to

cough

up stupid amount of money to upgrade the shark i had in middle school.

Which

will still cost me arm and leg even with vfo's "generous"
upgrade pricing. Oh, yeah, kiss ai2's actually helpful tech support

goodbye

too, y'all.




On Friday, October 14, 2016, Samuel Wilkins via Talk <
talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:


Hello John,

I have been drafting a letter to VFO because, as you know, there is
speculation that Window-Eyes is going to be phased out.  If it is, I
am not switching to Jaws, because I won't be able to afford it,
amongst other reasons.  However, in my letter, I have pointed out that
if Window-Eyes goes, it provides a significant problem for blind
people wanting to get into work, as not everyone has an access to work
fund.  Moreover, one of the few ways we can work, especially for
younger people, is volunteering, and there, we may be in a crisis, as
IT technicians are paranoid about NVDA, since it is open source, and
they think it could contain a virus or compromise security in another
way.  We would be in limbo, as they won't want NVDA, and they won't
pay for Jaws, as Access to Work won't pay for equipment for unpaid
work, so you would have to buy a license for every computer you use
out of your own pocket.  What do you think?  Also, I have heard that
they are developing both Magic and ZoomText.  How come they are doing
that, but phasing out Window-Eyes?  To me, this is a case of double

standards.


--
Regards,

Samuel Wilkins

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Re: Jeremy Curry is leaving Ai Squared

[Dennis Long via Talk]

I'm sorry to see you leave AISquared I wish you luck in your new job.
- Original Message - 
From: "Jeremy Curry via Talk" 
To: "Linda Mentink" ; "Window-Eyes Discussion List" 


Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 3:14 PM
Subject: RE: Jeremy Curry is leaving Ai Squared



Thank you very much, Linda.

God Bless,

Jeremy


-Original Message-
From: Linda Mentink [mailto:ment...@frontiernet.net]
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 2:54 PM
To: Jeremy Curry ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 


Subject: re: Jeremy Curry is leaving Ai Squared

Hi Jeremy,

I wish you the best. I'm always encouraged when I see that people are 
willing to say that God is leading them. That's important to a Christian, 
and that's a wonderful Bible verse.


Blessings,

Linda

- Original Message -
From: Jeremy Curry via Talk 

RE: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Also, I read that NVDA screen reader will be coming out with contracted
braille input in grade 2 braille. NVDA's braille support is on par with
JAWS, in my opinion, and NVDA updates very very frequently.
-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Sky Mundell via Talk
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 6:18 PM
To: 'Vaughan Dodd'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes

Absolutely right, Vaughn.

-Original Message-
From: Vaughan Dodd [mailto:vdodd...@vodafone.co.nz] 
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 6:13 PM
To: Sky Mundell; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes

Yes: but it also meant that no money was going into Window-Eyes 
developments.


The insiders in this industry have a lot to answer for.  They correctly 
commented positively on the opportunity to get a good screen reader into 
the hands of many more blind people, but they were silent on issues of 
ongoing investment into research and development, future releases, and 
the need for new tools to deal with applications which are less 
intuitively accessible.


I don't see how Microsoft would want to continue subsidising 
Window-Eyes.  Windolw-Eyes needs development, and Office wil surely 
undergo changes over time which adversely affect  usability for 
Window-Eyes users.  And Microsoft thinks Narrator will be its answer -  
an insult to the thinking  blind person who relies on screen readers to 
do more than browse the web.




Vaughan.




On 10/15/2016 8:46 AM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote:
> Pluss, they won't even make JAWS free for office like Window-eyes did.
This
> office deal was a chance for everybody to brake away from JAWS
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
> Behalf Of Reeva Webb via Talk
> Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 12:39 PM
> To: Samuel Wilkins; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes
>
> They gonna kill off magic. Trust me. Fs always knew magic was trash. As
soon
> as the shark and zt get reworked to work well together. Magic will be put
to
> it's deserved death, zt fusion and we will be killed  and i'll have to
cough
> up stupid amount of money to upgrade the shark i had in middle school.
Which
> will still cost me arm and leg even with vfo's "generous"
> upgrade pricing. Oh, yeah, kiss ai2's actually helpful tech support
goodbye
> too, y'all.
>
>
>
>
> On Friday, October 14, 2016, Samuel Wilkins via Talk <
> talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello John,
>>
>> I have been drafting a letter to VFO because, as you know, there is
>> speculation that Window-Eyes is going to be phased out.  If it is, I
>> am not switching to Jaws, because I won't be able to afford it,
>> amongst other reasons.  However, in my letter, I have pointed out that
>> if Window-Eyes goes, it provides a significant problem for blind
>> people wanting to get into work, as not everyone has an access to work
>> fund.  Moreover, one of the few ways we can work, especially for
>> younger people, is volunteering, and there, we may be in a crisis, as
>> IT technicians are paranoid about NVDA, since it is open source, and
>> they think it could contain a virus or compromise security in another
>> way.  We would be in limbo, as they won't want NVDA, and they won't
>> pay for Jaws, as Access to Work won't pay for equipment for unpaid
>> work, so you would have to buy a license for every computer you use
>> out of your own pocket.  What do you think?  Also, I have heard that
>> they are developing both Magic and ZoomText.  How come they are doing
>> that, but phasing out Window-Eyes?  To me, this is a case of double
> standards.
>>
>> --
>> Regards,
>>
>> Samuel Wilkins
>>
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RE: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Absolutely right, Vaughn.

-Original Message-
From: Vaughan Dodd [mailto:vdodd...@vodafone.co.nz] 
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 6:13 PM
To: Sky Mundell; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes

Yes: but it also meant that no money was going into Window-Eyes 
developments.


The insiders in this industry have a lot to answer for.  They correctly 
commented positively on the opportunity to get a good screen reader into 
the hands of many more blind people, but they were silent on issues of 
ongoing investment into research and development, future releases, and 
the need for new tools to deal with applications which are less 
intuitively accessible.


I don't see how Microsoft would want to continue subsidising 
Window-Eyes.  Windolw-Eyes needs development, and Office wil surely 
undergo changes over time which adversely affect  usability for 
Window-Eyes users.  And Microsoft thinks Narrator will be its answer -  
an insult to the thinking  blind person who relies on screen readers to 
do more than browse the web.




Vaughan.




On 10/15/2016 8:46 AM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote:
> Pluss, they won't even make JAWS free for office like Window-eyes did.
This
> office deal was a chance for everybody to brake away from JAWS
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
> Behalf Of Reeva Webb via Talk
> Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 12:39 PM
> To: Samuel Wilkins; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes
>
> They gonna kill off magic. Trust me. Fs always knew magic was trash. As
soon
> as the shark and zt get reworked to work well together. Magic will be put
to
> it's deserved death, zt fusion and we will be killed  and i'll have to
cough
> up stupid amount of money to upgrade the shark i had in middle school.
Which
> will still cost me arm and leg even with vfo's "generous"
> upgrade pricing. Oh, yeah, kiss ai2's actually helpful tech support
goodbye
> too, y'all.
>
>
>
>
> On Friday, October 14, 2016, Samuel Wilkins via Talk <
> talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello John,
>>
>> I have been drafting a letter to VFO because, as you know, there is
>> speculation that Window-Eyes is going to be phased out.  If it is, I
>> am not switching to Jaws, because I won't be able to afford it,
>> amongst other reasons.  However, in my letter, I have pointed out that
>> if Window-Eyes goes, it provides a significant problem for blind
>> people wanting to get into work, as not everyone has an access to work
>> fund.  Moreover, one of the few ways we can work, especially for
>> younger people, is volunteering, and there, we may be in a crisis, as
>> IT technicians are paranoid about NVDA, since it is open source, and
>> they think it could contain a virus or compromise security in another
>> way.  We would be in limbo, as they won't want NVDA, and they won't
>> pay for Jaws, as Access to Work won't pay for equipment for unpaid
>> work, so you would have to buy a license for every computer you use
>> out of your own pocket.  What do you think?  Also, I have heard that
>> they are developing both Magic and ZoomText.  How come they are doing
>> that, but phasing out Window-Eyes?  To me, this is a case of double
> standards.
>>
>> --
>> Regards,
>>
>> Samuel Wilkins
>>
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Re: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes

[Vaughan Dodd via Talk]

Yes: but it also meant that no money was going into Window-Eyes 
developments.



The insiders in this industry have a lot to answer for.  They correctly 
commented positively on the opportunity to get a good screen reader into 
the hands of many more blind people, but they were silent on issues of 
ongoing investment into research and development, future releases, and 
the need for new tools to deal with applications which are less 
intuitively accessible.



I don't see how Microsoft would want to continue subsidising 
Window-Eyes.  Windolw-Eyes needs development, and Office wil surely 
undergo changes over time which adversely affect  usability for 
Window-Eyes users.  And Microsoft thinks Narrator will be its answer -  
an insult to the thinking  blind person who relies on screen readers to 
do more than browse the web.





Vaughan.




On 10/15/2016 8:46 AM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote:

Pluss, they won't even make JAWS free for office like Window-eyes did. This
office deal was a chance for everybody to brake away from JAWS

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Reeva Webb via Talk
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 12:39 PM
To: Samuel Wilkins; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes

They gonna kill off magic. Trust me. Fs always knew magic was trash. As soon
as the shark and zt get reworked to work well together. Magic will be put to
it's deserved death, zt fusion and we will be killed  and i'll have to cough
up stupid amount of money to upgrade the shark i had in middle school. Which
will still cost me arm and leg even with vfo's "generous"
upgrade pricing. Oh, yeah, kiss ai2's actually helpful tech support goodbye
too, y'all.




On Friday, October 14, 2016, Samuel Wilkins via Talk <
talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:


Hello John,

I have been drafting a letter to VFO because, as you know, there is
speculation that Window-Eyes is going to be phased out.  If it is, I
am not switching to Jaws, because I won't be able to afford it,
amongst other reasons.  However, in my letter, I have pointed out that
if Window-Eyes goes, it provides a significant problem for blind
people wanting to get into work, as not everyone has an access to work
fund.  Moreover, one of the few ways we can work, especially for
younger people, is volunteering, and there, we may be in a crisis, as
IT technicians are paranoid about NVDA, since it is open source, and
they think it could contain a virus or compromise security in another
way.  We would be in limbo, as they won't want NVDA, and they won't
pay for Jaws, as Access to Work won't pay for equipment for unpaid
work, so you would have to buy a license for every computer you use
out of your own pocket.  What do you think?  Also, I have heard that
they are developing both Magic and ZoomText.  How come they are doing
that, but phasing out Window-Eyes?  To me, this is a case of double

standards.


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RE: is this definite? was RE: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Hi Vaughn. They defenatly do have a foothold in the market and they can
control it to their advantage. I bet Erick comes to NZ to promote JAWS to
agencies, and not to mshen Jonathan Mosen used to work for them.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Vaughan Dodd via Talk
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 6:00 PM
To: Nick Sarames; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: is this definite? was RE: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes

Their place in the market is virtually secure: they have an almost 
international monopoly on screen reader software.


Vaughan.




On 10/15/2016 1:32 PM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:
> It's not enough to complain, you have to find a way to show them that
> this would hurt their place in the market.
>
> On 10/14/2016 8:30 PM, Kenneth Son via Talk wrote:
>> Hello list.
>>
>> Start a petition and send it to this company stating you do not want to
>> see Window Eyes phased out.
>>
>> Kenneth Son.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 10/14/2016 18:51, Chris Skarstad via Talk wrote:
>>> No official word yet.  If you want to make sure Window-eyes stays
>>> around, please write to the VFO folks and let them know that you
>>> expect the same type of customer service and great products as you did
>>> when ai squared was around. This will let them know you care about the
>>> product and that you are a loyal user.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 10/14/2016 4:17 PM, darren harris via Talk wrote:
 Hi all,

 Is this actual policy or are people just panicking? Is wineyes going
 to be
 fazed out?

 -Original Message-
 From: Talk

[mailto:talk-bounces+darren_g_harris=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com]

 On Behalf Of Samuel Wilkins via Talk
 Sent: 14 October 2016 20:28
 To: bj colt via Talk
 Subject: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes

 Hello John,

 I have been drafting a letter to VFO because, as you know, there is
 speculation that Window-Eyes is going to be phased out.  If it is, I am
 not switching to Jaws, because I won't be able to afford it, amongst
 other reasons.  However, in my letter, I have pointed out that if
 Window-Eyes goes, it provides a significant problem for blind people
 wanting to get into work, as not everyone has an access to work fund.
 Moreover, one of the few ways we can work, especially for younger
 people, is volunteering, and there, we may be in a crisis, as IT
 technicians are paranoid about NVDA, since it is open source, and they
 think it could contain a virus or compromise security in another way.
 We would be in limbo, as they won't want NVDA, and they won't pay for
 Jaws, as Access to Work won't pay for equipment for unpaid work, so you
 would have to buy a license for every computer you use out of your own
 pocket.  What do you think?  Also, I have heard that they are
developing
 both Magic and ZoomText.  How come they are doing that, but phasing out
 Window-Eyes?  To me, this is a case of double standards.


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Re: is this definite? was RE: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes

[Vaughan Dodd via Talk]

Their place in the market is virtually secure: they have an almost 
international monopoly on screen reader software.



Vaughan.




On 10/15/2016 1:32 PM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:

It's not enough to complain, you have to find a way to show them that
this would hurt their place in the market.

On 10/14/2016 8:30 PM, Kenneth Son via Talk wrote:

Hello list.

Start a petition and send it to this company stating you do not want to
see Window Eyes phased out.

Kenneth Son.



On 10/14/2016 18:51, Chris Skarstad via Talk wrote:

No official word yet.  If you want to make sure Window-eyes stays
around, please write to the VFO folks and let them know that you
expect the same type of customer service and great products as you did
when ai squared was around. This will let them know you care about the
product and that you are a loyal user.




On 10/14/2016 4:17 PM, darren harris via Talk wrote:

Hi all,

Is this actual policy or are people just panicking? Is wineyes going
to be
fazed out?

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+darren_g_harris=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com]

On Behalf Of Samuel Wilkins via Talk
Sent: 14 October 2016 20:28
To: bj colt via Talk
Subject: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes

Hello John,

I have been drafting a letter to VFO because, as you know, there is
speculation that Window-Eyes is going to be phased out.  If it is, I am
not switching to Jaws, because I won't be able to afford it, amongst
other reasons.  However, in my letter, I have pointed out that if
Window-Eyes goes, it provides a significant problem for blind people
wanting to get into work, as not everyone has an access to work fund.
Moreover, one of the few ways we can work, especially for younger
people, is volunteering, and there, we may be in a crisis, as IT
technicians are paranoid about NVDA, since it is open source, and they
think it could contain a virus or compromise security in another way.
We would be in limbo, as they won't want NVDA, and they won't pay for
Jaws, as Access to Work won't pay for equipment for unpaid work, so you
would have to buy a license for every computer you use out of your own
pocket.  What do you think?  Also, I have heard that they are developing
both Magic and ZoomText.  How come they are doing that, but phasing out
Window-Eyes?  To me, this is a case of double standards.



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Re: is this definite? was RE: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes

[David via Talk]

Dan retired? Marc left. Jeremy is going!
- Who is next? (Smiles.)

Sticking with a particular job for 8, 10, 12 or more years, is an 
achievement in itself. It tells its own story, about a company that is 
in line with its employees, and a job that meets the worker's desire for 
challenges and tasks. One benefit hereof, is the expertise you achieve 
through long-time experience, along with developing deep knowledge of 
the product you are working with, and in this industry, your customers. 
The assistive technology market is a pretty close one, so often you will 
be well-acquainted with your customers and users. At least to a degree 
where you will learn enough from their feedback, to see what might be 
good ways to expand and enhance your product.

Isn't that what we all have enjoyed about the old GWMicro, their 
stability. And that we all have been able to reach the staff members - 
either face-to-face, via phone, or email and the mailinglists. Good and 
close contact with your market will often prove useful, when you want a 
taylored product. And though we sometimes might feel we are not being 
heard, I am sure most of us over the years, have found the requests for 
new functionality in our screen reader, has met some of our personal 
preferences.

It is sad to see the merge, and what seems to be its effect. Now, after 
numerous of years in service, it is nothing unusual in people leaving, 
and going for new challenges or even retiring. What really is 
concerning, from what it seems at this state, is that apparently noone 
new is coming in to take over the place of those leaving. In just about 
a month's time, we have seen two go. And who is actually left of the 
"former" staff? Of those who really knows the depths of Window-Eyes?

To keep a staff that really knows the screen reader and its build, will 
be essential for further development and good customer service. Sure, 
the staff can leave the full code, all notes and all other material for 
the new VFO staff. But that does not always tell all the thoughts and 
ideas behind why things are done the way they are. Likely new staff, may 
have a hard time in "just jumping in", and take over things. So let's 
hope that only happens, after thorough exchanging of knowledge and 
thoughts between former and new staff.

To what extent the sdcreen reader we all are using will continue, or if 
it will be swallowed by Jaws - or even a brand new, combined product - I 
am not going to speculate. Likely only the people on top will know what 
they want to do about it all, and they are unlike to let anyone know 
until the last minute.

Still, there are a few things that they might want to keep in mind. For 
one thing, Window-Eyes have had the beneficial "free Office" offer, in 
cooperation with Microsoft. Let's just keep in mind, that this might be 
stopped anyway, if Microsoft so desire, toatally sidetracked of what any 
company (merged or not) had hoped for.

The other great feature of Win-Eyes, is the scripting capacity. Many of 
you may not even pay attention to the fact in your daily activities, but 
I am ready to say that just about all of you would be quick to react, if 
you for one day turned off all apps (or scripts) in your screen reader. 
So many features will be gone, and you will feel like stepping close to 
a decade back in productivity. May of course be a great nostalgic way of 
memorizing what it was like in the old days, to be blind computer 
worker. If the idea is to phase out Win-Eyes, the new Jaws (or whatever 
name it will take), will have to offer us the same great app-building 
feature. Sure, Jaws - as it already stands - has its scripting 
capability. But that is too complicated, and will need special expertise 
to work with, and could easily lead to a load of well-working and 
appreciated functionalities to be gone.

The biggest issue about one of the more established screen readers being 
in hard weather, though, might be the loss of choice. OK, in many cases 
- when either school, employer or authorities will have to pay - the 
user may not have too much of a choice. Still, the fact that there has 
been different products on the market, has given the private user a 
certain amount of choice. And if an employer has been into a matter of 
inaccessible issues, and have been shown there would be a solution in 
changing the screen reader, he might be convinced to switch. The day we 
would loose one of the choices, it will be limiting our chances to get a 
taylored computer-day, as blind users.

Even another benefit of having several screen readers, is the fact that 
they will push each other in development. It is enough to see what 
happens in other markets. Take for instance the Air-Bag of your car. 
Someone invented it, and introduced it into their cars. Other car 
manufactures saw the benefit of meeting a market request from their 
customers, and install it in their cars as well. Now aday, in many 
countries it is even a requirement for your 

Re: is this definite? was RE: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes

[Vaughan Dodd via Talk]

I agree with the others who have made comments such as "writing on the 
wall" and shifts in personnel.



We should take it as fact that Window-"
Eyes development is no more.  We should regard VFO as stealthy, 
predatory and arrogant.



They were asked to comment, as a way of halting the speculation. They 
have not.   They have our software maintenance agreements, so they could 
offer us JFW at a heavily discounted price for acquisition of the new 
version 18.  I can't use NVDA at work, and I regard the SMA as a 
contractual arrangement.



In my book, VFO has causded me to be "very f.. off."


Vaughan.




On 10/15/2016 9:17 AM, darren harris via Talk wrote:

Hi all,

Is this actual policy or are people just panicking? Is wineyes going to be
fazed out?

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+darren_g_harris=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Samuel Wilkins via Talk
Sent: 14 October 2016 20:28
To: bj colt via Talk
Subject: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes

Hello John,

I have been drafting a letter to VFO because, as you know, there is
speculation that Window-Eyes is going to be phased out.  If it is, I am
not switching to Jaws, because I won't be able to afford it, amongst
other reasons.  However, in my letter, I have pointed out that if
Window-Eyes goes, it provides a significant problem for blind people
wanting to get into work, as not everyone has an access to work fund.
Moreover, one of the few ways we can work, especially for younger
people, is volunteering, and there, we may be in a crisis, as IT
technicians are paranoid about NVDA, since it is open source, and they
think it could contain a virus or compromise security in another way.
We would be in limbo, as they won't want NVDA, and they won't pay for
Jaws, as Access to Work won't pay for equipment for unpaid work, so you
would have to buy a license for every computer you use out of your own
pocket.  What do you think?  Also, I have heard that they are developing
both Magic and ZoomText.  How come they are doing that, but phasing out
Window-Eyes?  To me, this is a case of double standards.




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Re: is this definite? was RE: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes

[Nick Sarames via Talk]

It's not enough to complain, you have to find a way to show them that 
this would hurt their place in the market.

On 10/14/2016 8:30 PM, Kenneth Son via Talk wrote:
> Hello list.
>
> Start a petition and send it to this company stating you do not want to
> see Window Eyes phased out.
>
> Kenneth Son.
>
>
>
> On 10/14/2016 18:51, Chris Skarstad via Talk wrote:
>> No official word yet.  If you want to make sure Window-eyes stays
>> around, please write to the VFO folks and let them know that you
>> expect the same type of customer service and great products as you did
>> when ai squared was around. This will let them know you care about the
>> product and that you are a loyal user.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 10/14/2016 4:17 PM, darren harris via Talk wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Is this actual policy or are people just panicking? Is wineyes going
>>> to be
>>> fazed out?
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Talk
>>> [mailto:talk-bounces+darren_g_harris=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com]
>>>
>>> On Behalf Of Samuel Wilkins via Talk
>>> Sent: 14 October 2016 20:28
>>> To: bj colt via Talk
>>> Subject: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes
>>>
>>> Hello John,
>>>
>>> I have been drafting a letter to VFO because, as you know, there is
>>> speculation that Window-Eyes is going to be phased out.  If it is, I am
>>> not switching to Jaws, because I won't be able to afford it, amongst
>>> other reasons.  However, in my letter, I have pointed out that if
>>> Window-Eyes goes, it provides a significant problem for blind people
>>> wanting to get into work, as not everyone has an access to work fund.
>>> Moreover, one of the few ways we can work, especially for younger
>>> people, is volunteering, and there, we may be in a crisis, as IT
>>> technicians are paranoid about NVDA, since it is open source, and they
>>> think it could contain a virus or compromise security in another way.
>>> We would be in limbo, as they won't want NVDA, and they won't pay for
>>> Jaws, as Access to Work won't pay for equipment for unpaid work, so you
>>> would have to buy a license for every computer you use out of your own
>>> pocket.  What do you think?  Also, I have heard that they are developing
>>> both Magic and ZoomText.  How come they are doing that, but phasing out
>>> Window-Eyes?  To me, this is a case of double standards.
>>>
>>>
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Re: is this definite? was RE: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes

[Kenneth Son via Talk]

Hello list.

Start a petition and send it to this company stating you do not want to 
see Window Eyes phased out.


Kenneth Son.



On 10/14/2016 18:51, Chris Skarstad via Talk wrote:
No official word yet.  If you want to make sure Window-eyes stays 
around, please write to the VFO folks and let them know that you 
expect the same type of customer service and great products as you did 
when ai squared was around. This will let them know you care about the 
product and that you are a loyal user.





On 10/14/2016 4:17 PM, darren harris via Talk wrote:

Hi all,

Is this actual policy or are people just panicking? Is wineyes going 
to be

fazed out?

-Original Message-
From: Talk
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On Behalf Of Samuel Wilkins via Talk
Sent: 14 October 2016 20:28
To: bj colt via Talk
Subject: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes

Hello John,

I have been drafting a letter to VFO because, as you know, there is
speculation that Window-Eyes is going to be phased out.  If it is, I am
not switching to Jaws, because I won't be able to afford it, amongst
other reasons.  However, in my letter, I have pointed out that if
Window-Eyes goes, it provides a significant problem for blind people
wanting to get into work, as not everyone has an access to work fund.
Moreover, one of the few ways we can work, especially for younger
people, is volunteering, and there, we may be in a crisis, as IT
technicians are paranoid about NVDA, since it is open source, and they
think it could contain a virus or compromise security in another way.
We would be in limbo, as they won't want NVDA, and they won't pay for
Jaws, as Access to Work won't pay for equipment for unpaid work, so you
would have to buy a license for every computer you use out of your own
pocket.  What do you think?  Also, I have heard that they are developing
both Magic and ZoomText.  How come they are doing that, but phasing out
Window-Eyes?  To me, this is a case of double standards.




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Re: songr

[Tom Kingston via Talk]

Sorry to hear you're having such problems, Tom. I don't know what to 
say. I've been installing it on systems since XP, recommending it to 
others, and I've never heard of anyone having a problem.


Hope you can get it straightened out.

Regards,
Tom



On 10/14/2016 7:18 PM, Tom Fairhurst via Talk wrote:

Well, I tried disabling my antivirus protection and songr didn’t install any 
differently. The desktop shortcut still doesn’t worik.
the program appeared to load briefly and then stop. I tried to install it over 
itself but got an error message. If these jokers hope to make money in the 
future, they had better come up with a better product than this. I actually 
E-mailed them. We’ll see if they write back. I really hope I’m missing 
something. I am using Windos 7 64-bit Pro with the latest version of 
Window-Eyes. I am not having problems with other applications, and AVG didn’t 
detect any problems yesterday evening.
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songr

[Tom Fairhurst via Talk]

Well, I tried disabling my antivirus protection and songr didn’t install any 
differently. The desktop shortcut still doesn’t worik. 
the program appeared to load briefly and then stop. I tried to install it over 
itself but got an error message. If these jokers hope to make money in the 
future, they had better come up with a better product than this. I actually 
E-mailed them. We’ll see if they write back. I really hope I’m missing 
something. I am using Windos 7 64-bit Pro with the latest version of 
Window-Eyes. I am not having problems with other applications, and AVG didn’t 
detect any problems yesterday evening.
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Re: is this definite? was RE: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes

[Chris Skarstad via Talk]

No official word yet.  If you want to make sure Window-eyes stays 
around, please write to the VFO folks and let them know that you expect 
the same type of customer service and great products as you did when ai 
squared was around. This will let them know you care about the product 
and that you are a loyal user.





On 10/14/2016 4:17 PM, darren harris via Talk wrote:

Hi all,

Is this actual policy or are people just panicking? Is wineyes going to be
fazed out?

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+darren_g_harris=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Samuel Wilkins via Talk
Sent: 14 October 2016 20:28
To: bj colt via Talk
Subject: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes

Hello John,

I have been drafting a letter to VFO because, as you know, there is
speculation that Window-Eyes is going to be phased out.  If it is, I am
not switching to Jaws, because I won't be able to afford it, amongst
other reasons.  However, in my letter, I have pointed out that if
Window-Eyes goes, it provides a significant problem for blind people
wanting to get into work, as not everyone has an access to work fund.
Moreover, one of the few ways we can work, especially for younger
people, is volunteering, and there, we may be in a crisis, as IT
technicians are paranoid about NVDA, since it is open source, and they
think it could contain a virus or compromise security in another way.
We would be in limbo, as they won't want NVDA, and they won't pay for
Jaws, as Access to Work won't pay for equipment for unpaid work, so you
would have to buy a license for every computer you use out of your own
pocket.  What do you think?  Also, I have heard that they are developing
both Magic and ZoomText.  How come they are doing that, but phasing out
Window-Eyes?  To me, this is a case of double standards.




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this is only speculation, no official announcement has been made. was Re: is this definite? was RE: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes

[Chris Skarstad via Talk]

No official announcement has been made on the status of Window-eyes.  
Some of you are so convinced it's going away, yet nothing has come down.
Why don't you wait for an official announcement before making the next 
step? Or, better yet, if you *really* value Window-eyes as a 
screenreader, write to them and let them know that their efforts would 
be worth something, if some decision were to be made.  JAWS gets a lot 
of its use from government contracts, so Window-eyes could have a 
foot-hold on the consumer end, if they were to make it available at a 
reduced price, or continue to offer the free version, which I think they 
still do. so i do believe there is a place for it.




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Re: just a thought about the repeting in thunderbird

[Don H via Talk]

Tried that and it doesn't help.  Still repeating.

On 10/14/2016 5:29 PM, Casey via Talk wrote:

Hi what if one has this problem with repeating Thunderbird witch has
been discussed on list hear already.
What if the person or persons who is having this problem was to totally
remove window-eyes and reinstall it from scratch and then try reading
with Thunderbird again.
Would this repeating the first line in A message happen or would it take
that away?



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Re: is this definite? was RE: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes

[via Talk]

I have not heard that it is.  Everybody seems to be speculating.  Pam.

-Original Message- 
From: darren harris via Talk

Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 4:17 PM
To: 'Samuel Wilkins' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: is this definite? was RE: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes

Hi all,

Is this actual policy or are people just panicking? Is wineyes going to be
fazed out?

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+darren_g_harris=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Samuel Wilkins via Talk
Sent: 14 October 2016 20:28
To: bj colt via Talk
Subject: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes

Hello John,

I have been drafting a letter to VFO because, as you know, there is
speculation that Window-Eyes is going to be phased out.  If it is, I am
not switching to Jaws, because I won't be able to afford it, amongst
other reasons.  However, in my letter, I have pointed out that if
Window-Eyes goes, it provides a significant problem for blind people
wanting to get into work, as not everyone has an access to work fund.
Moreover, one of the few ways we can work, especially for younger
people, is volunteering, and there, we may be in a crisis, as IT
technicians are paranoid about NVDA, since it is open source, and they
think it could contain a virus or compromise security in another way.
We would be in limbo, as they won't want NVDA, and they won't pay for
Jaws, as Access to Work won't pay for equipment for unpaid work, so you
would have to buy a license for every computer you use out of your own
pocket.  What do you think?  Also, I have heard that they are developing
both Magic and ZoomText.  How come they are doing that, but phasing out
Window-Eyes?  To me, this is a case of double standards.


--
Regards,

Samuel Wilkins

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just a thought about the repeting in thunderbird

[Casey via Talk]

Hi what if one has this problem with repeating Thunderbird witch has 
been discussed on list hear already.
What if the person or persons who is having this problem was to totally 
remove window-eyes and reinstall it from scratch and then try reading 
with Thunderbird again.
Would this repeating the first line in A message happen or would it take 
that away?



--
Casey
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Just One Person's Thoughts

[Rebecca Lineberger via Talk]

First, Good luck to you, Jeremy, and as others have said, thanks for all
you've done to make Window-Eyes a great product.

Second, this was posted to this list earlier.  I do realize that Marc is no
longer at AI Squared, but that does not change the soundness of his advice.
JMO.

Rebecca

Marc wrote:

] On Behalf Of Marc Solomon via Talk  

 Sent: Friday, June 17, 2016 2:47 PM

Subject: How you can help

Hi everyone,  

 I had a conversation with a person who is a loyal Window-Eyes user the
other day. She, like many of you, was very concerned about the future of
Window-Eyes. She, like many of you, is unsure of the impact the recent
acquisition will have on the blind community. With that said, she also
voiced discontent with the negativity and speculation being spread on
various communication channels. Instead of buying into the negativity and
speculating about the unknown, she proposed an alternative. She suggested
that the Window-Eyes community should come together and tell the leadership
of VFO what they want the future to be. If you are concerned that you will
no longer be able to receive quality customer support and service from the
team you have worked with all these years, tell VFO this is what you want.
If you are concerned that Window-Eyes will be discontinued and will prevent
you from being successful, tell VFO how important Window-Eyes has been in
your life and why it works so well

  for you. I guess my point is, being negative and assuming the worst is not
going to help matters. If you want something to happen, do something about
it in a way that is constructive. For example, take time to compose your
thoughts and propose what you want to see happen in the future. And then
share your vision with the leadership at VFO. For your reference, here is a
link to the VFO Group contact web page: 

http://www.vfo-group.com/index.php/contact/ 

.

 Best regards,

 Marc

 

I slept and dreamt that life was joy. I awoke and saw that life was service.
I acted

and behold, service was joy.

 

From: Rabindranath Tagore

 

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RE: Firefox, Flash, and WE

[Don Smith via Talk]

I had the same problem and I was told that fire fox has it's own flash now
and you need  to unstall schock wave as ff now does not need it.  Also
update the new ff
Don


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Re: Jeremy Curry is leaving Ai Squared

[Singing Sparrow via Talk]

Jeremy thanks for your decatication and great help you have given us 
through out your time at gwmicro/asquared I pray that your next job is a 
great one as well.


I also am a christian and God is leading you intosomething even better 
in the long run I do believe.


God Bless you.


On 10/14/2016 2:14 PM, Jeremy Curry via Talk wrote:

Thank you very much, Linda.

God Bless,

Jeremy


-Original Message-
From: Linda Mentink [mailto:ment...@frontiernet.net]
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 2:54 PM
To: Jeremy Curry ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 

Subject: re: Jeremy Curry is leaving Ai Squared

Hi Jeremy,

I wish you the best. I'm always encouraged when I see that people are willing 
to say that God is leading them. That's important to a Christian, and that's a 
wonderful Bible verse.

Blessings,

Linda

  - Original Message -
From: Jeremy Curry via Talk 

FW: window-eyes and secure CRT

[Iaen Cordell via Talk]

 

G'day list, my employer wants to move us all to secure CRT for SSH and
telnet server support.

I am currently using teraterm and all works well with window-eyes, how
friendly or not speech friendly is WE with CRT?

I ran up a tes version this afternoon and from a quick play around I would
say not to friendly but, it is early days.

Using window-eyes 9.3X and secure CRT 8.

Cheers

IC

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Re: is this definite? was RE: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes

[Loy via Talk]

No one really knows.  Doug said back in June no changes at least for the next 
six months, so maybe they will give us some news soon so we all can stop 
speculating. I don't have a public job so I will not buy JAWS, I can get along 
with Window Eyes for a while even if they discontinue it. Then I'll use NVDA.
  - Original Message - 
  From: darren harris via Talk 
  To: 'Samuel Wilkins' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
  Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 4:17 PM
  Subject: is this definite? was RE: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes


  Hi all,

  Is this actual policy or are people just panicking? Is wineyes going to be
  fazed out?

  -Original Message-
  From: Talk
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  On Behalf Of Samuel Wilkins via Talk
  Sent: 14 October 2016 20:28
  To: bj colt via Talk
  Subject: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes

  Hello John,

  I have been drafting a letter to VFO because, as you know, there is 
  speculation that Window-Eyes is going to be phased out.  If it is, I am 
  not switching to Jaws, because I won't be able to afford it, amongst 
  other reasons.  However, in my letter, I have pointed out that if 
  Window-Eyes goes, it provides a significant problem for blind people 
  wanting to get into work, as not everyone has an access to work fund.  
  Moreover, one of the few ways we can work, especially for younger 
  people, is volunteering, and there, we may be in a crisis, as IT 
  technicians are paranoid about NVDA, since it is open source, and they 
  think it could contain a virus or compromise security in another way.  
  We would be in limbo, as they won't want NVDA, and they won't pay for 
  Jaws, as Access to Work won't pay for equipment for unpaid work, so you 
  would have to buy a license for every computer you use out of your own 
  pocket.  What do you think?  Also, I have heard that they are developing 
  both Magic and ZoomText.  How come they are doing that, but phasing out 
  Window-Eyes?  To me, this is a case of double standards.


  -- 
  Regards,

  Samuel Wilkins

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Re: is this definite? was RE: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes

[Reeva Webb via Talk]

No not definite, just reading writing on the wall.




On Friday, October 14, 2016, darren harris via Talk <
talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Is this actual policy or are people just panicking? Is wineyes going to be
> fazed out?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+darren_g_harris =
> btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com ]
> On Behalf Of Samuel Wilkins via Talk
> Sent: 14 October 2016 20:28
> To: bj colt via Talk
> Subject: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes
>
> Hello John,
>
> I have been drafting a letter to VFO because, as you know, there is
> speculation that Window-Eyes is going to be phased out.  If it is, I am
> not switching to Jaws, because I won't be able to afford it, amongst
> other reasons.  However, in my letter, I have pointed out that if
> Window-Eyes goes, it provides a significant problem for blind people
> wanting to get into work, as not everyone has an access to work fund.
> Moreover, one of the few ways we can work, especially for younger
> people, is volunteering, and there, we may be in a crisis, as IT
> technicians are paranoid about NVDA, since it is open source, and they
> think it could contain a virus or compromise security in another way.
> We would be in limbo, as they won't want NVDA, and they won't pay for
> Jaws, as Access to Work won't pay for equipment for unpaid work, so you
> would have to buy a license for every computer you use out of your own
> pocket.  What do you think?  Also, I have heard that they are developing
> both Magic and ZoomText.  How come they are doing that, but phasing out
> Window-Eyes?  To me, this is a case of double standards.
>
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Samuel Wilkins
>
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Re: is this definite? was RE: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes

[Don H via Talk]

Knowing the history of FS and the fact that all the old GW staff are 
either retiring or taking new jobs elsewhere I would place my bet on WE 
being gone within a short time.  Dam shame that the best screen reader 
ever is going away.


On 10/14/2016 3:17 PM, darren harris via Talk wrote:

Hi all,

Is this actual policy or are people just panicking? Is wineyes going to be
fazed out?

-Original Message-
From: Talk
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On Behalf Of Samuel Wilkins via Talk
Sent: 14 October 2016 20:28
To: bj colt via Talk
Subject: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes

Hello John,

I have been drafting a letter to VFO because, as you know, there is
speculation that Window-Eyes is going to be phased out.  If it is, I am
not switching to Jaws, because I won't be able to afford it, amongst
other reasons.  However, in my letter, I have pointed out that if
Window-Eyes goes, it provides a significant problem for blind people
wanting to get into work, as not everyone has an access to work fund.
Moreover, one of the few ways we can work, especially for younger
people, is volunteering, and there, we may be in a crisis, as IT
technicians are paranoid about NVDA, since it is open source, and they
think it could contain a virus or compromise security in another way.
We would be in limbo, as they won't want NVDA, and they won't pay for
Jaws, as Access to Work won't pay for equipment for unpaid work, so you
would have to buy a license for every computer you use out of your own
pocket.  What do you think?  Also, I have heard that they are developing
both Magic and ZoomText.  How come they are doing that, but phasing out
Window-Eyes?  To me, this is a case of double standards.



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is this definite? was RE: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes

[darren harris via Talk]

Hi all,

Is this actual policy or are people just panicking? Is wineyes going to be
fazed out?

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+darren_g_harris=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Samuel Wilkins via Talk
Sent: 14 October 2016 20:28
To: bj colt via Talk
Subject: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes

Hello John,

I have been drafting a letter to VFO because, as you know, there is 
speculation that Window-Eyes is going to be phased out.  If it is, I am 
not switching to Jaws, because I won't be able to afford it, amongst 
other reasons.  However, in my letter, I have pointed out that if 
Window-Eyes goes, it provides a significant problem for blind people 
wanting to get into work, as not everyone has an access to work fund.  
Moreover, one of the few ways we can work, especially for younger 
people, is volunteering, and there, we may be in a crisis, as IT 
technicians are paranoid about NVDA, since it is open source, and they 
think it could contain a virus or compromise security in another way.  
We would be in limbo, as they won't want NVDA, and they won't pay for 
Jaws, as Access to Work won't pay for equipment for unpaid work, so you 
would have to buy a license for every computer you use out of your own 
pocket.  What do you think?  Also, I have heard that they are developing 
both Magic and ZoomText.  How come they are doing that, but phasing out 
Window-Eyes?  To me, this is a case of double standards.


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Re: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes

[Jim via Talk]

Hi!

Well I guess if it is true that Window-Eyes is being fased out, the 
blind and visually impaired community is getting the very short end in 
the name of proffits..? Listen, I know that proffits are what keeps a 
business going, but having no real choices in the screen reader market 
is going way too far! Of course we all can complain forever, and there 
will probably be absolutely no one to listen..? Oh well, I will continue 
to use Window-Eyes for as long as it works and then see what options are 
there.  My appologies for complaining but I am not sure of what else I 
can do at this point..?  Thanks & 73 de .



On 14-Oct-16 15:39, Reeva Webb via Talk wrote:

They gonna kill off magic. Trust me. Fs always knew magic was trash. As
soon as the shark and zt get reworked to work well together. Magic will be
put to it's deserved death, zt fusion and we will be killed  and i'll have
to cough up stupid amount of money to upgrade the shark i had in middle
school. Which will still cost me arm and leg even with vfo's "generous"
upgrade pricing. Oh, yeah, kiss ai2's actually helpful tech support goodbye
too, y'all.




On Friday, October 14, 2016, Samuel Wilkins via Talk <
talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:


Hello John,

I have been drafting a letter to VFO because, as you know, there is
speculation that Window-Eyes is going to be phased out.  If it is, I am not
switching to Jaws, because I won't be able to afford it, amongst other
reasons.  However, in my letter, I have pointed out that if Window-Eyes
goes, it provides a significant problem for blind people wanting to get
into work, as not everyone has an access to work fund.  Moreover, one of
the few ways we can work, especially for younger people, is volunteering,
and there, we may be in a crisis, as IT technicians are paranoid about
NVDA, since it is open source, and they think it could contain a virus or
compromise security in another way.  We would be in limbo, as they won't
want NVDA, and they won't pay for Jaws, as Access to Work won't pay for
equipment for unpaid work, so you would have to buy a license for every
computer you use out of your own pocket.  What do you think?  Also, I have
heard that they are developing both Magic and ZoomText.  How come they are
doing that, but phasing out Window-Eyes?  To me, this is a case of double
standards.


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Re: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes

[Loy via Talk]

Do you suppose that VFO might keep Window Eyes as the free screen reader for 
Office subsidized by Microsoft? 
  - Original Message - 
  From: Sky Mundell via Talk 
  To: 'Reeva Webb' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' ; 'Samuel Wilkins' 
  Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 3:46 PM
  Subject: RE: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes


  Pluss, they won't even make JAWS free for office like Window-eyes did. This
  office deal was a chance for everybody to brake away from JAWS

  -Original Message-
  From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
  Behalf Of Reeva Webb via Talk
  Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 12:39 PM
  To: Samuel Wilkins; Window-Eyes Discussion List
  Subject: Re: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes

  They gonna kill off magic. Trust me. Fs always knew magic was trash. As soon
  as the shark and zt get reworked to work well together. Magic will be put to
  it's deserved death, zt fusion and we will be killed  and i'll have to cough
  up stupid amount of money to upgrade the shark i had in middle school. Which
  will still cost me arm and leg even with vfo's "generous"
  upgrade pricing. Oh, yeah, kiss ai2's actually helpful tech support goodbye
  too, y'all.




  On Friday, October 14, 2016, Samuel Wilkins via Talk <
  talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

  > Hello John,
  >
  > I have been drafting a letter to VFO because, as you know, there is 
  > speculation that Window-Eyes is going to be phased out.  If it is, I 
  > am not switching to Jaws, because I won't be able to afford it, 
  > amongst other reasons.  However, in my letter, I have pointed out that 
  > if Window-Eyes goes, it provides a significant problem for blind 
  > people wanting to get into work, as not everyone has an access to work 
  > fund.  Moreover, one of the few ways we can work, especially for 
  > younger people, is volunteering, and there, we may be in a crisis, as 
  > IT technicians are paranoid about NVDA, since it is open source, and 
  > they think it could contain a virus or compromise security in another 
  > way.  We would be in limbo, as they won't want NVDA, and they won't 
  > pay for Jaws, as Access to Work won't pay for equipment for unpaid 
  > work, so you would have to buy a license for every computer you use 
  > out of your own pocket.  What do you think?  Also, I have heard that 
  > they are developing both Magic and ZoomText.  How come they are doing 
  > that, but phasing out Window-Eyes?  To me, this is a case of double
  standards.
  >
  >
  > --
  > Regards,
  >
  > Samuel Wilkins
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Re: Jeremy Curry is leaving Ai Squared

[Loy via Talk]

Thank you for all you have done with AISquared and GWMicro. Our prayer are with 
you in your new job. 
  - Original Message - 
  From: Jeremy Curry via Talk 
  To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
  Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 1:56 PM
  Subject: Jeremy Curry is leaving Ai Squared


  Hi Everyone,

  I hope this message finds you all well.  As the subject says, I will be 
leaving  Ai Squared. After serving with this team for nearly 12 years, my final 
day will be Friday, October 28.  I have decided to take a job with Interactive 
Accessibility.  While I won't be part of Ai Squared any more, I want you all to 
know that it has been an honor to serve our customers.  I plan to continue to 
stay active in the assistive technology community, and I don't plan to be a 
stranger. 

  As one of my favorite Bible verses says, "In their hearts humans plan their 
course, but the Lord establishes their steps"  (Proverbs 16:9). I am looking 
forward to the new challenges and people that God has in store for me.

  Warm Regards and God Bless,

  Jeremy
  Jeremy Curry
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RE: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Pluss, they won't even make JAWS free for office like Window-eyes did. This
office deal was a chance for everybody to brake away from JAWS

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Reeva Webb via Talk
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 12:39 PM
To: Samuel Wilkins; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes

They gonna kill off magic. Trust me. Fs always knew magic was trash. As soon
as the shark and zt get reworked to work well together. Magic will be put to
it's deserved death, zt fusion and we will be killed  and i'll have to cough
up stupid amount of money to upgrade the shark i had in middle school. Which
will still cost me arm and leg even with vfo's "generous"
upgrade pricing. Oh, yeah, kiss ai2's actually helpful tech support goodbye
too, y'all.




On Friday, October 14, 2016, Samuel Wilkins via Talk <
talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

> Hello John,
>
> I have been drafting a letter to VFO because, as you know, there is 
> speculation that Window-Eyes is going to be phased out.  If it is, I 
> am not switching to Jaws, because I won't be able to afford it, 
> amongst other reasons.  However, in my letter, I have pointed out that 
> if Window-Eyes goes, it provides a significant problem for blind 
> people wanting to get into work, as not everyone has an access to work 
> fund.  Moreover, one of the few ways we can work, especially for 
> younger people, is volunteering, and there, we may be in a crisis, as 
> IT technicians are paranoid about NVDA, since it is open source, and 
> they think it could contain a virus or compromise security in another 
> way.  We would be in limbo, as they won't want NVDA, and they won't 
> pay for Jaws, as Access to Work won't pay for equipment for unpaid 
> work, so you would have to buy a license for every computer you use 
> out of your own pocket.  What do you think?  Also, I have heard that 
> they are developing both Magic and ZoomText.  How come they are doing 
> that, but phasing out Window-Eyes?  To me, this is a case of double
standards.
>
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Samuel Wilkins
>
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RE: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Exactly right!

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Reeva Webb via Talk
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 12:39 PM
To: Samuel Wilkins; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes

They gonna kill off magic. Trust me. Fs always knew magic was trash. As soon
as the shark and zt get reworked to work well together. Magic will be put to
it's deserved death, zt fusion and we will be killed  and i'll have to cough
up stupid amount of money to upgrade the shark i had in middle school. Which
will still cost me arm and leg even with vfo's "generous"
upgrade pricing. Oh, yeah, kiss ai2's actually helpful tech support goodbye
too, y'all.




On Friday, October 14, 2016, Samuel Wilkins via Talk <
talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

> Hello John,
>
> I have been drafting a letter to VFO because, as you know, there is 
> speculation that Window-Eyes is going to be phased out.  If it is, I 
> am not switching to Jaws, because I won't be able to afford it, 
> amongst other reasons.  However, in my letter, I have pointed out that 
> if Window-Eyes goes, it provides a significant problem for blind 
> people wanting to get into work, as not everyone has an access to work 
> fund.  Moreover, one of the few ways we can work, especially for 
> younger people, is volunteering, and there, we may be in a crisis, as 
> IT technicians are paranoid about NVDA, since it is open source, and 
> they think it could contain a virus or compromise security in another 
> way.  We would be in limbo, as they won't want NVDA, and they won't 
> pay for Jaws, as Access to Work won't pay for equipment for unpaid 
> work, so you would have to buy a license for every computer you use 
> out of your own pocket.  What do you think?  Also, I have heard that 
> they are developing both Magic and ZoomText.  How come they are doing 
> that, but phasing out Window-Eyes?  To me, this is a case of double
standards.
>
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Samuel Wilkins
>
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Re: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes

[Reeva Webb via Talk]

They gonna kill off magic. Trust me. Fs always knew magic was trash. As
soon as the shark and zt get reworked to work well together. Magic will be
put to it's deserved death, zt fusion and we will be killed  and i'll have
to cough up stupid amount of money to upgrade the shark i had in middle
school. Which will still cost me arm and leg even with vfo's "generous"
upgrade pricing. Oh, yeah, kiss ai2's actually helpful tech support goodbye
too, y'all.




On Friday, October 14, 2016, Samuel Wilkins via Talk <
talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

> Hello John,
>
> I have been drafting a letter to VFO because, as you know, there is
> speculation that Window-Eyes is going to be phased out.  If it is, I am not
> switching to Jaws, because I won't be able to afford it, amongst other
> reasons.  However, in my letter, I have pointed out that if Window-Eyes
> goes, it provides a significant problem for blind people wanting to get
> into work, as not everyone has an access to work fund.  Moreover, one of
> the few ways we can work, especially for younger people, is volunteering,
> and there, we may be in a crisis, as IT technicians are paranoid about
> NVDA, since it is open source, and they think it could contain a virus or
> compromise security in another way.  We would be in limbo, as they won't
> want NVDA, and they won't pay for Jaws, as Access to Work won't pay for
> equipment for unpaid work, so you would have to buy a license for every
> computer you use out of your own pocket.  What do you think?  Also, I have
> heard that they are developing both Magic and ZoomText.  How come they are
> doing that, but phasing out Window-Eyes?  To me, this is a case of double
> standards.
>
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Samuel Wilkins
>
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Re: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes

[Samuel Wilkins via Talk]

Sorry, that wasn't meant for the list, please ignore it.  It was meant 
for BJ Colt.



On 14/10/2016 20:27, Samuel Wilkins via Talk wrote:

Hello John,

I have been drafting a letter to VFO because, as you know, there is 
speculation that Window-Eyes is going to be phased out.  If it is, I 
am not switching to Jaws, because I won't be able to afford it, 
amongst other reasons.  However, in my letter, I have pointed out that 
if Window-Eyes goes, it provides a significant problem for blind 
people wanting to get into work, as not everyone has an access to work 
fund.  Moreover, one of the few ways we can work, especially for 
younger people, is volunteering, and there, we may be in a crisis, as 
IT technicians are paranoid about NVDA, since it is open source, and 
they think it could contain a virus or compromise security in another 
way.  We would be in limbo, as they won't want NVDA, and they won't 
pay for Jaws, as Access to Work won't pay for equipment for unpaid 
work, so you would have to buy a license for every computer you use 
out of your own pocket.  What do you think?  Also, I have heard that 
they are developing both Magic and ZoomText.  How come they are doing 
that, but phasing out Window-Eyes?  To me, this is a case of double 
standards.





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Re: Jeremy Curry is leaving Ai Squared

[kitty hevener via Talk]

Hi Jeremy, I am sad to see you leave, but wish you all the very best in your 
new job.  Not familiar with interactive technology.  What will u be doing 
there?


-Original Message- 
From: Jeremy Curry via Talk

Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 1:56 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Jeremy Curry is leaving Ai Squared

Hi Everyone,

I hope this message finds you all well.  As the subject says, I will be 
leaving  Ai Squared. After serving with this team for nearly 12 years, my 
final day will be Friday, October 28.  I have decided to take a job with 
Interactive Accessibility.  While I won't be part of Ai Squared any more, I 
want you all to know that it has been an honor to serve our customers.  I 
plan to continue to stay active in the assistive technology community, and I 
don't plan to be a stranger. 


As one of my favorite Bible verses says, "In their hearts humans plan their 
course, but the Lord establishes their steps"  (Proverbs 16:9). I am looking 
forward to the new challenges and people that God has in store for me.


Warm Regards and God Bless,

Jeremy
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Re: Jeremy Curry is leaving Ai Squared

[Chris Skarstad via Talk]

Wow I can only echo the sentiments of others, we're sorry to see you go, 
but i'm glad you have other plans ahead. Very best of luck to you and 
God bless!





On 10/14/2016 1:56 PM, Jeremy Curry via Talk wrote:

Hi Everyone,

I hope this message finds you all well.  As the subject says, I will be leaving  Ai 
Squared. After serving with this team for nearly 12 years, my final day will be 
Friday, October 28.  I have decided to take a job with Interactive Accessibility.  
While I won't be part of Ai Squared any more, I want you all to know that it has been 
an honor to serve our customers.  I plan to continue to stay active in the assistive 
technology community, and I don't plan to be a stranger. 

As one of my favorite Bible verses says, "In their hearts humans plan their course, 
but the Lord establishes their steps"  (Proverbs 16:9). I am looking forward to the 
new challenges and people that God has in store for me.

Warm Regards and God Bless,

Jeremy
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The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes

[Samuel Wilkins via Talk]

Hello John,

I have been drafting a letter to VFO because, as you know, there is 
speculation that Window-Eyes is going to be phased out.  If it is, I am 
not switching to Jaws, because I won't be able to afford it, amongst 
other reasons.  However, in my letter, I have pointed out that if 
Window-Eyes goes, it provides a significant problem for blind people 
wanting to get into work, as not everyone has an access to work fund.  
Moreover, one of the few ways we can work, especially for younger 
people, is volunteering, and there, we may be in a crisis, as IT 
technicians are paranoid about NVDA, since it is open source, and they 
think it could contain a virus or compromise security in another way.  
We would be in limbo, as they won't want NVDA, and they won't pay for 
Jaws, as Access to Work won't pay for equipment for unpaid work, so you 
would have to buy a license for every computer you use out of your own 
pocket.  What do you think?  Also, I have heard that they are developing 
both Magic and ZoomText.  How come they are doing that, but phasing out 
Window-Eyes?  To me, this is a case of double standards.



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Samuel Wilkins

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Firefox, Flash, and WE

[Keith Wessel via Talk]

Hi,

 

I didn't notice the below issue back in WE 9.1, but since upgrading to 9.4
and beyond, it seems to happen regularly.

 

When I visit a webpage in Firefox that contains Flash content, after about
30 seconds, I get a message that the Flash Shockwave plugin has stopped
working or is busy, and I have the options to continue or stop the plugin. I
used to get this once in a while, but as I said, it seems to happen all the
time now with 9.4+.

 

My current workaround, though ugly, is to simply restart Window-Eyes before
the dialogue about continuing or stopping the plugin comes up. Having WE out
of the way seems to clear up the deadlock. Choosing the continue option from
the dialogue seldom works; I just get prompted again after another 30
seconds or so. The stop option sometimes works, but I usually have to choose
it multiple times, possibly because there are multiple flash instances on
the page? Not sure.

 

Doesn't matter if the allow flash in browse mode option in Firefox Enhanced
is turned on or off.

 

The below linked  FF bug seemed to be similar and had a lot of activity from
Aaron and Doug, but it's now been over two years without activity, and I'm
not sure it's still relevant:

 

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=781971

 

Would love to know if there's a fix for this somewhere in FF or WE that I'm
missing. FF is by far my preferred browser as it's less bloated than IE and
has a longer track history with AT than Chrome. But, needless to say, this
is a bit annoying.

 

Thanks,

Keith

 

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RE: Jeremy Curry is leaving Ai Squared

[Jeremy Curry via Talk]

Thank you very much, Linda.

God Bless,

Jeremy


-Original Message-
From: Linda Mentink [mailto:ment...@frontiernet.net] 
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 2:54 PM
To: Jeremy Curry ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 

Subject: re: Jeremy Curry is leaving Ai Squared

Hi Jeremy,

I wish you the best. I'm always encouraged when I see that people are willing 
to say that God is leading them. That's important to a Christian, and that's a 
wonderful Bible verse.

Blessings,

Linda

 - Original Message -
From: Jeremy Curry via Talk 

Re: Jeremy Curry is leaving Ai Squared

[Linda Mentink via Talk]

Wouldn't you, if you were in his position, and wanted to still be 
employed? Shame on you. He's being led by God, and obedience to 
Him is always best!


Regards,

Linda

- Original Message -
From: net bat via Talk ,"Window-Eyes Discussion 
List" 

Re: Jeremy Curry is leaving Ai Squared

[Carol and Roger via Talk]

Hello Jeremy,

It has been a pleasure making your acquaintance.  Thank you for all of 
your help and may you find your next position to be rewarding.  Our 
prayers and best wishes follow you.  You shall be missed very much.


Carol Smith


On 10/14/2016 1:56 PM, Jeremy Curry via Talk wrote:

Hi Everyone,

I hope this message finds you all well.  As the subject says, I will be leaving  Ai 
Squared. After serving with this team for nearly 12 years, my final day will be 
Friday, October 28.  I have decided to take a job with Interactive Accessibility.  
While I won't be part of Ai Squared any more, I want you all to know that it has been 
an honor to serve our customers.  I plan to continue to stay active in the assistive 
technology community, and I don't plan to be a stranger. 

As one of my favorite Bible verses says, "In their hearts humans plan their course, 
but the Lord establishes their steps"  (Proverbs 16:9). I am looking forward to the 
new challenges and people that God has in store for me.

Warm Regards and God Bless,

Jeremy
Jeremy Curry
Director of Product Management
Ai Squared, Inc.
Phone: (802) 362-3612
Email: jcu...@aisquared.com
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re: Jeremy Curry is leaving Ai Squared

[Linda Mentink via Talk]

Hi Jeremy,

I wish you the best. I'm always encouraged when I see that people 
are willing to say that God is leading them. That's important to 
a Christian, and that's a wonderful Bible verse.


Blessings,

Linda

- Original Message -
From: Jeremy Curry via Talk 

Re: Jeremy Curry is leaving Ai Squared

[Kevin Huber via Talk]

Hi Jeremy:
Thank you for your service to the customers of AI Squared, formerly GW Micro.
I'm sure that I speak for all Window-eyes users in saying that the
webinars that you have been a part of were well done, and I am sure
that your knowledge of accessible will be an asset to you as you move
onto your next challenge.
Kevin Huber

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> Hi Everyone,
>
> I hope this message finds you all well.  As the subject says, I will be
> leaving  Ai Squared. After serving with this team for nearly 12 years, my
> final day will be Friday, October 28.  I have decided to take a job with
> Interactive Accessibility.  While I won't be part of Ai Squared any more, I
> want you all to know that it has been an honor to serve our customers.  I
> plan to continue to stay active in the assistive technology community, and I
> don't plan to be a stranger. 
>
> As one of my favorite Bible verses says, "In their hearts humans plan their
> course, but the Lord establishes their steps"  (Proverbs 16:9). I am looking
> forward to the new challenges and people that God has in store for me.
>
> Warm Regards and God Bless,
>
> Jeremy
> Jeremy Curry
> Director of Product Management
> Ai Squared, Inc.
> Phone: (802) 362-3612
> Email: jcu...@aisquared.com
> Web: www.aisquared.com
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Re: Jeremy Curry is leaving Ai Squared

[Pastor Gil Pries via Talk]

   Thank you for all you have done for us.
I pray that God will bless you in your new position.

Pastor Gil

-Original Message- 
From: Jeremy Curry via Talk

Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 10:56 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Jeremy Curry is leaving Ai Squared

Hi Everyone,

I hope this message finds you all well.  As the subject says, I will be 
leaving  Ai Squared. After serving with this team for nearly 12 years, my 
final day will be Friday, October 28.  I have decided to take a job with 
Interactive Accessibility.  While I won't be part of Ai Squared any more, I 
want you all to know that it has been an honor to serve our customers.  I 
plan to continue to stay active in the assistive technology community, and I 
don't plan to be a stranger. 


As one of my favorite Bible verses says, "In their hearts humans plan their 
course, but the Lord establishes their steps"  (Proverbs 16:9). I am looking 
forward to the new challenges and people that God has in store for me.


Warm Regards and God Bless,

Jeremy
Jeremy Curry
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Ai Squared, Inc.
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Email: jcu...@aisquared.com
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Re: Jeremy Curry is leaving Ai Squared

[Patricia Krinke via Talk]

Thank you so much, Jeremy, for everything.  You have been a blessing to us 
and will be a blessing to others in your future.

Prayers,


Trish

-Original Message- 
From: Jeremy Curry via Talk
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 12:56 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Jeremy Curry is leaving Ai Squared

Hi Everyone,

I hope this message finds you all well.  As the subject says, I will be 
leaving  Ai Squared. After serving with this team for nearly 12 years, my 
final day will be Friday, October 28.  I have decided to take a job with 
Interactive Accessibility.  While I won't be part of Ai Squared any more, I 
want you all to know that it has been an honor to serve our customers.  I 
plan to continue to stay active in the assistive technology community, and I 
don't plan to be a stranger. 

As one of my favorite Bible verses says, "In their hearts humans plan their 
course, but the Lord establishes their steps"  (Proverbs 16:9). I am looking 
forward to the new challenges and people that God has in store for me.

Warm Regards and God Bless,

Jeremy
Jeremy Curry
Director of Product Management
Ai Squared, Inc.
Phone: (802) 362-3612
Email: jcu...@aisquared.com
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Re: Jeremy Curry is leaving Ai Squared

[Lee Hodgson via Talk]

Hi Jeremy,
All the best in your new role, and may it prove challenging and 
rewarding for you.
Thanks for all you have done as part ofBoth organisations,it was 
greatly appreciated.


Good luck!
Lee, Emily my guiding  furry snowflake and Chester and simba the 
feline fellas

leehodge on dice world
My wife is JessHodge on Dice world
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Re: Jeremy Curry is leaving Ai Squared

[Norene Trappa via Talk]

Hello Jeremy,

I also wish you the best in your new endeavors.  That particular Proverb 
also is one I frequently think about.


Norene Trappa



-Original Message- 
From: bj colt via Talk

Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 1:07 PM
To: Jeremy Curry ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Jeremy Curry is leaving Ai Squared

Hi Jeremy,

Thanks for everything you have done behind the scenes at aisquared and
gwmicro. I wish you every success in your new job.

Live long and prosper, John

-Original Message- 
From: Jeremy Curry via Talk

Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 6:56 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Jeremy Curry is leaving Ai Squared

Hi Everyone,

I hope this message finds you all well.  As the subject says, I will be
leaving  Ai Squared. After serving with this team for nearly 12 years, my
final day will be Friday, October 28.  I have decided to take a job with
Interactive Accessibility.  While I won't be part of Ai Squared any more, I
want you all to know that it has been an honor to serve our customers.  I
plan to continue to stay active in the assistive technology community, and I
don't plan to be a stranger. 

As one of my favorite Bible verses says, "In their hearts humans plan their
course, but the Lord establishes their steps"  (Proverbs 16:9). I am looking
forward to the new challenges and people that God has in store for me.

Warm Regards and God Bless,

Jeremy
Jeremy Curry
Director of Product Management
Ai Squared, Inc.
Phone: (802) 362-3612
Email: jcu...@aisquared.com
Web: www.aisquared.com
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Re: Jeremy Curry is leaving Ai Squared

[net bat via Talk]

i wish you well.
but all of you are abandoning ship before window eyes sinks in flames by f s.

-Original Message- 
From: Jeremy Curry via Talk

Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 10:56 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Jeremy Curry is leaving Ai Squared

Hi Everyone,

I hope this message finds you all well.  As the subject says, I will be leaving 
Ai Squared. After serving with this team for nearly 12 years, my final day will 
be Friday, October 28.  I have decided to take a job with Interactive 
Accessibility.  While I won't be part of Ai Squared any more, I want you all to 
know that it has been an honor to serve our customers.  I plan to continue to 
stay active in the assistive technology community, and I don't plan to be a 
stranger. 


As one of my favorite Bible verses says, "In their hearts humans plan their 
course, but the Lord establishes their steps"  (Proverbs 16:9). I am looking 
forward to the new challenges and people that God has in store for me.


Warm Regards and God Bless,

Jeremy
Jeremy Curry
Director of Product Management
Ai Squared, Inc.
Phone: (802) 362-3612
Email: jcu...@aisquared.com
Web: www.aisquared.com
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RE: Jeremy Curry is leaving Ai Squared

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Hi Jeremy. I wish you the best of luck for the future.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Jeremy Curry via Talk
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 10:56 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Jeremy Curry is leaving Ai Squared

Hi Everyone,

I hope this message finds you all well.  As the subject says, I will be
leaving  Ai Squared. After serving with this team for nearly 12 years, my
final day will be Friday, October 28.  I have decided to take a job with
Interactive Accessibility.  While I won't be part of Ai Squared any more, I
want you all to know that it has been an honor to serve our customers.  I
plan to continue to stay active in the assistive technology community, and I
don't plan to be a stranger. 

As one of my favorite Bible verses says, "In their hearts humans plan their
course, but the Lord establishes their steps"  (Proverbs 16:9). I am looking
forward to the new challenges and people that God has in store for me.

Warm Regards and God Bless,

Jeremy
Jeremy Curry
Director of Product Management
Ai Squared, Inc.
Phone: (802) 362-3612
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Re: Jeremy Curry is leaving Ai Squared

[bj colt via Talk]

Hi Jeremy,

Thanks for everything you have done behind the scenes at aisquared and 
gwmicro. I wish you every success in your new job.


Live long and prosper, John

-Original Message- 
From: Jeremy Curry via Talk

Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 6:56 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Jeremy Curry is leaving Ai Squared

Hi Everyone,

I hope this message finds you all well.  As the subject says, I will be 
leaving  Ai Squared. After serving with this team for nearly 12 years, my 
final day will be Friday, October 28.  I have decided to take a job with 
Interactive Accessibility.  While I won't be part of Ai Squared any more, I 
want you all to know that it has been an honor to serve our customers.  I 
plan to continue to stay active in the assistive technology community, and I 
don't plan to be a stranger. 


As one of my favorite Bible verses says, "In their hearts humans plan their 
course, but the Lord establishes their steps"  (Proverbs 16:9). I am looking 
forward to the new challenges and people that God has in store for me.


Warm Regards and God Bless,

Jeremy
Jeremy Curry
Director of Product Management
Ai Squared, Inc.
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Re: Jeremy Curry is leaving Ai Squared

[Reeva Webb via Talk]

Sad to see you leave but wish you the best for the future.

On Oct 14, 2016 12:58 PM, "Jeremy Curry via Talk" <
talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

> Hi Everyone,
>
> I hope this message finds you all well.  As the subject says, I will be
> leaving  Ai Squared. After serving with this team for nearly 12 years, my
> final day will be Friday, October 28.  I have decided to take a job with
> Interactive Accessibility.  While I won't be part of Ai Squared any more, I
> want you all to know that it has been an honor to serve our customers.  I
> plan to continue to stay active in the assistive technology community, and
> I don't plan to be a stranger. 
>
> As one of my favorite Bible verses says, "In their hearts humans plan
> their course, but the Lord establishes their steps"  (Proverbs 16:9). I am
> looking forward to the new challenges and people that God has in store for
> me.
>
> Warm Regards and God Bless,
>
> Jeremy
> Jeremy Curry
> Director of Product Management
> Ai Squared, Inc.
> Phone: (802) 362-3612
> Email: jcu...@aisquared.com
> Web: www.aisquared.com
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Re: Jeremy Curry is leaving Ai Squared

[Gary Metzler via Talk]

I wish you well with your new venture.

-Original Message- 
From: Jeremy Curry via Talk

Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 1:56 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Jeremy Curry is leaving Ai Squared

Hi Everyone,

I hope this message finds you all well.  As the subject says, I will be 
leaving  Ai Squared. After serving with this team for nearly 12 years, my 
final day will be Friday, October 28.  I have decided to take a job with 
Interactive Accessibility.  While I won't be part of Ai Squared any more, I 
want you all to know that it has been an honor to serve our customers.  I 
plan to continue to stay active in the assistive technology community, and I 
don't plan to be a stranger. 


As one of my favorite Bible verses says, "In their hearts humans plan their 
course, but the Lord establishes their steps"  (Proverbs 16:9). I am looking 
forward to the new challenges and people that God has in store for me.


Warm Regards and God Bless,

Jeremy
Jeremy Curry
Director of Product Management
Ai Squared, Inc.
Phone: (802) 362-3612
Email: jcu...@aisquared.com
Web: www.aisquared.com
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Jeremy Curry is leaving Ai Squared

[Jeremy Curry via Talk]

Hi Everyone,

I hope this message finds you all well.  As the subject says, I will be leaving 
 Ai Squared. After serving with this team for nearly 12 years, my final day 
will be Friday, October 28.  I have decided to take a job with Interactive 
Accessibility.  While I won't be part of Ai Squared any more, I want you all to 
know that it has been an honor to serve our customers.  I plan to continue to 
stay active in the assistive technology community, and I don't plan to be a 
stranger. 

As one of my favorite Bible verses says, "In their hearts humans plan their 
course, but the Lord establishes their steps"  (Proverbs 16:9). I am looking 
forward to the new challenges and people that God has in store for me.

Warm Regards and God Bless,

Jeremy
Jeremy Curry
Director of Product Management
Ai Squared, Inc.
Phone: (802) 362-3612
Email: jcu...@aisquared.com
Web: www.aisquared.com
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Re: Songr

[Larry Higgins via Talk]

Tom ,

I have downloaded SongR 2, but haven't yet installed it, but the path to 
my present version as it pertains to the shortcut is below. Other 
than that, I really don't know what to tell you.

C:\Users\Larry\AppData\Local\Songr\Songr.exe

On 10/14/2016 11:53 AM, Tom Fairhurst via Talk wrote:

Several of you have bragged about this program, but I don’t understand. I tried 
to install version 2.0. When I did, the installation seemed to go well, but 
when I used the shortcut on the desktop, it could not find the songr.exe file. 
I used everything to search for it and seemed to find it under Windows 
Prefetch-0-not where I expected to find it. Why not in program files or program 
files X86. Very strange. I found other Songr files in the local temp directory 
of my user directory. I uninstalled and reinstalled the program to get the same 
results. Surely I’[m missing something.
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Re: Thunderbird

[Nick Sarames via Talk]

I have found that simply hitting the delete key works, you could also 
try hitting the letter A.

On 10/14/2016 10:16 AM, brice Mijares via Talk wrote:
> For the past 20 years I've used control D to delete email messages as I
> go through them, so it's hard to make a change as it's become an
> automatic reaction.   Is there a different key combo the will delete the
> message other than lifting my hand to  the top of the laptop where the
> Del key is located on my laptop? Windows ten, window eyes 9.5.3.0 and
> Thunderbird. Thanks
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Re: Songr

[Tom Kingston via Talk]

Tom,

I have no idea what's happening. I had no problem with it and have never 
seen such a problem with an installation of any program.


If you used the link I provided and downloaded the zip file which 
included only the Songr_2_1_Setup.exe file I haven't a clue because it's 
nothing more than the installer.


You might try running the Disk cleanup utility to clear your temp folder 
and other junk and then reboot for good measure before running it again.


Good luck,
Tom


On 10/14/2016 12:53 PM, Tom Fairhurst via Talk wrote:

Several of you have bragged about this program, but I don’t understand. I tried 
to install version 2.0. When I did, the installation seemed to go well, but 
when I used the shortcut on the desktop, it could not find the songr.exe file. 
I used everything to search for it and seemed to find it under Windows 
Prefetch-0-not where I expected to find it. Why not in program files or program 
files X86. Very strange. I found other Songr files in the local temp directory 
of my user directory. I uninstalled and reinstalled the program to get the same 
results. Surely I’[m missing something.
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Songr

[Tom Fairhurst via Talk]

Several of you have bragged about this program, but I don’t understand. I tried 
to install version 2.0. When I did, the installation seemed to go well, but 
when I used the shortcut on the desktop, it could not find the songr.exe file. 
I used everything to search for it and seemed to find it under Windows 
Prefetch-0-not where I expected to find it. Why not in program files or program 
files X86. Very strange. I found other Songr files in the local temp directory 
of my user directory. I uninstalled and reinstalled the program to get the same 
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Thunderbird

[brice Mijares via Talk]

For the past 20 years I've used control D to delete email messages as I 
go through them, so it's hard to make a change as it's become an 
automatic reaction.   Is there a different key combo the will delete the 
message other than lifting my hand to  the top of the laptop where the 
Del key is located on my laptop? Windows ten, window eyes 9.5.3.0 and 
Thunderbird. Thanks

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RE: old window eyes tutorials, ― anyone have them?

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Drew, and, actually, for everyone,

Here's several links to Window-Eyes training resources.

Tutorials:
http://www.gwmicro.com/Audio_Video_Archive/Window-Eyes_Tutorials/

Webinars:
http://www.gwmicro.com/Training/Webinar_Training/

Youtube videos:
https://www.youtube.com/user/gwmicro

Knowledge base:
http://www.gwmicro.com/Support/Knowledge_Base/

All the best,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Drew Clark [mailto:clarkdr...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 9:08 AM
To: Rod Hutton ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 

Subject: old window eyes tutorials, ― anyone have them?

hi, 
i only can find the window eyes 9 tutorial done by steven clower on the gw 
micro site. is it possible for me to get previous window eyes tutorial? from 
the first till window eyes 8 tutorial. thanks.
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old window eyes tutorials, ― anyone have them?

[Drew Clark via Talk]

hi, 
i only can find the window eyes 9 tutorial done by steven clower on the gw 
micro site. is it possible for me to get previous window eyes tutorial? from 
the first till window eyes 8 tutorial. thanks.
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