Re: On read filter.

[Miguel A. Urech]

Hello Chris,

> Problem is, even if you delete the mail, it still get's filtered to it's
> respective folder.
>
> Is there anyway that if you hit delete, it bins it rather than ignoring
> me and filtering it to it's folder anyway?

H. That's strange. I use a good number of read filters and I have
never seen that problem. Do you mark your messages as read manually?

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Re: Bat newbies list?

[Scott McNay]

Hi Marck!

In message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
on Tuesday, October 15, 2002, 8:23:26 PM, you wrote:

MDP> @15-Oct-2002, 19:51 -0500 (01:51 UK time) Scott McNay [SM] in
MDP> [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

MDP> I was under the impression that most of the English language stuff
MDP> was there. If there is other stuff not included there then it has
MDP> simply not been submitted to me for inclusion.

I'll  see  what I can throw together for you to consider adding in.

Is there an easy way to get the archives off of the old server without
wading  through  hundreds of web pages? Maybe if someone has them in a
message base, they could be attached and emailed?


MDP> Also, the last round of main TB "Help" file updates involved the
MDP> movement of some of the FAQ content into the Help file.

Help files, by their nature, tend to be ignored.  :)

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Re: Bat newbies list?

[William Moore]

 Hello Anne

 Thank you for your email dated Wednesday, October 16, 2002, 1:13:21 AM, in which you 
wrote:

A> I shall start spreading the word amongst the new users I meet and see if
A> they will pop a toe in TBUDL water as it were!
Is anyone going to mention 'a bridge over TBUDLed water'? I hope not.

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Re: ATT Broadband connections problems

[Allie C Martin]

In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Slug [S] wrote:'

S> I downloaded the Mercury software, but came up upon conputerese
S> problems. I don't know what a nameserver is.

It's a DNS server. It does the lookups for domain names and provide
you with the corresponding IP addresses. You may not need to enter
one. If Merury/32 works without your having to enter one, then just
leave it blank.

S> I was actually able to start the command prompt window in Win2000
S> and find nameserver listed by running IPConfig /all. So it is
S> working on my broadband account. I really don't know what the
S> internet name for this system is either - and there is really no
S> good explanations for these terms in help.

They kind of assume you already know these things. Not good. :)

The name for your system in this case can be anything you like. You
can get your current computer name by opening your system properties
(in Win2k/XP right click 'My Computer' and hit properties||in Win98
right click Network Neighborhood, select properties and look under
the 'identification' tab) and looking at the 'Computer Name' tab.

S> Anyway it's working on my computer at home, but I don't know why
S> I would use it here.

S> I can't however get it to work with the AOL account. I keep
S> getting the reply 'will not relay non-local mail'.

In the MercuryS module, did you enable the option to accept mail
from invalid local addresses?

In the mercury core module configuration, you can tell Mercury which
domains are to be considered local. You could add aol.com under the
local domain tab. aol.com would be the internet name and the local
host your computer name.

S> I thought the mercury bypassed this and sent mail directly. I'm
S> not sure what to enter in nameservers here or anything else for
S> that matter. I did a Whois for aol.com and got some IP addresses
S> but it didn't say nameservers.

I just did a Whois on aol.com and got this:

DNS-01.NS.AOL.COM
152.163.159.232

DNS-02.NS.AOL.COM
205.188.157.232

DNS-06.NS.AOL.COM
149.174.211.8

DNS-07.NS.AOL.COM
64.12.51.132

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Re: Bat newbies list?

[Scott McNay]

Hi Thomas!

In message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
on Wednesday, October 16, 2002, 12:07:21 AM, you wrote:

TF> Now *that* is neat! :-))) I didn't even know about it...

Did you do that on purpose?  :)


Tuesday, October 15, 2002, 4:43:14 PM, 3w wrote:

3w> And I've also seen threads when even very techie people replied to
3w> simple question/answer threads like 'oh, I didn't know that
3w> either! ;-)'

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Re: Cancelling a job before closing The Bat!

[Thomas F.]

Hello Anne,

On Wed, 16 Oct 2002 01:15:25 +0100 GMT (16/10/02, 07:15 +0700 GMT),
Anne wrote:

A> Is this the case with all versions that use the Connection Centre?

I don't know, as I had a broadband cable connection until about 8
months ago (move to another country, no cable connections here).

A> I'm not sure which version it started with - I bought 1.49 then
A> upgraded to 1.61 last month.

As there was no work on the Connection Center from v1.61 to the beta
version I use, there should be no difference.

Let's compare settings:

Under Option / Network & Admin, I have ticked the radio button for
Dial-Up, and then marked all the tickboxes under that.

None of my accounts have any tickmarks at Account / Properties /
Network / [ ] Use account-specific...

I run Windows 98 with a standard 56k-Modem connected to an analog
copper-cable telephone line.

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Re: Bat newbies list?

[Thomas F.]

Hello Marck,

On Wed, 16 Oct 2002 02:23:26 +0100 GMT (16/10/02, 08:23 +0700 GMT),
Marck D Pearlstone wrote:

SM>> It would be very nice if there was a master FAQ

MDP> There is. Main menu | Help | FAQ takes you to it. It's
MDP> http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBFAQ.html

Now *that* is neat! :-))) I didn't even know about it...

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Re: On read filter.

[Thomas F.]

Hello Chris,

On Tue, 15 Oct 2002 15:29:49 -0700 GMT (16/10/02, 05:29 +0700 GMT),
Chris Weaven wrote:

CW> Problem is, even if you delete the mail, it still get's filtered to it's
CW> respective folder.

And in the destination folder it is undeleted? I'd consider it a bug.

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Re[2]: ATT Broadband connections problems

[slug]

Hello Allie,

I  downloaded  the  Mercury  software,  but  came  up upon conputerese
problems.   I  don't know what a nameserver is. I was actually able to
start  the command prompt window in Win2000 and find nameserver listed
by  running  IPConfig /all.  So it is working on my broadband account.
I really don't know what the internet name for this system is either -
and there is really no good explanations for these terms in help.

Anyway  it's  working  on  my computer at home, but I don't know why I
would use it here.

I  can't  however get it to work with the AOL account.  I keep getting
the  reply  'will  not  relay  non-local mail'.  I thought the mercury
bypassed  this  and sent mail directly.  I'm not sure what to enter in
nameservers  here or anything else for that matter.  I did a Whois for
aol.com   and   got  some  IP addresses but it didn't say nameservers.
No matter what I get the same response - no relay of non-local mail.

Any suggestions?  Thanks.



Tuesday, October 15, 2002, 12:18:05 PM, you wrote:

ACM> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
ACM> Hash: SHA1

ACM> In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
ACM> Slug [S] wrote:'

S>> I'm  using The Bat! 6.1

ACM> ;) I wonder when TB! will reach that version and what it would be
ACM> capable of by then?

S>> If  anybody  else  has a solution I would appreciate it.  Or any
S>> other way  to  send  out  messages  through  'The Bat!' while
S>> traveling.  My Netzero account won't work either.

ACM> I only have an 'any other' alternative. You could fire up your own
ACM> SMTP server that will deliver the mail for you. No remote SMTP
ACM> server to depend on. A good, fast, modular and freeware server is
ACM> Mercury/32. It doesn't incur much overhead, and I wrote a few pages
ACM> on how to configure it for SMTP services.

ACM> Look here:

ACM> http://home.ac-martin.com/mercury/merc32.html

ACM> Look under basic configuration for SMTP services.

ACM> When you're not on the road, you can switch back to using your ISP
ACM> server if you think the overhead is unreasonable and unnecessary if
ACM> you don't need to run it.

S>> I want to use The Bat! because it is better than OE, but if I
S>> can't configure it to work with my accounts I'll have to abandon
S>> it.

ACM> I hope you don't. :)




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Re: Getting rid of unwanted messages

[Scott McNay]

Hi Richard!

In message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
on Tuesday, October 15, 2002, 10:35:41 PM, you wrote:

RW> [PGP]
RW> Sender
RW> yes

Don't you mean "subject", not "sender"?

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Re[2]: Getting rid of unwanted messages

[Richard Wakeford]

Hello Leif,

On Tue, 15 Oct 2002 at 21:04:26[GMT -0600](which was 04:04 where I
live) you wrote:

LG> Try this as your filter string:

LG> [PGP] No quotes or anything.

Well, I can't for the life of me see where I am going wrong. I've
tried with and without quotes and everything.

At the moment the filter is in my "read messages" as I have not taken
part in the thread and pointing to my BAT mail folder. Settings are
[PGP]
Sender
yes

Whilst I'm on the subject of getting rid of unwanted messages (I'm
sure I'll eventually get it right!) is there a way of removing
orphaned messages after the first message in a thread has been
deleted?

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Re[2]: Can you move to the original message?

[Richard Wakeford]

Hello Scott,

On Tue, 15 Oct 2002 at 19:52:29[GMT -0500](which was 01:52 where I
live) you wrote:

SM> Ok, after clicking upon the mid: link (above), click on View | Message
SM> List.

SM> Needless  to  say,  not of much help with messages that don't show the
SM> MSGID info for the prior message.

And also mot much help if navigating purely with keystrokes either
which was the main reason for my question in the first place but
thanks anyway :-)
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Re: Getting rid of unwanted messages

[Leif Gregory]

Hello Richard, 

On Wed, 16 Oct 2002 at 01:14:37 [GMT +0100], you wrote:
RW> I have one rule in my Inbox to direct all TB! mail into my BAT
RW> folder. I have then set up a separate rule in the BAT folder to
RW> remove any messages that have, for instance, '[PGP]' in the
RW> Subject line and to move any message containing that to the Trash
RW> folder.

Try this as your filter string:

[PGP]


No quotes or anything. Just be aware that by enclosing the string
'PGP' in [], it will only act on ones like this:

My PGP is broken
PGP question

but it won't work on these:

What's the best version of PGP?
Is PGPi a better site to download from?


The brackets mean it must be a string unto itself, so the first
example of not working, the '?' breaks it, and in the second example,
the 'i' breaks it.



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Re: Addess Book Field Male / Female - How to use

[Marck D Pearlstone]

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Hi Raj,

@16-Oct-2002, 08:08 +0530 (03:38 UK time) Raj [RK] in
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

TF>> %ABtoGender should work for templates.

RK> How  do  I specify Male or Female ?? This does not seem to be
RK> listed in the list of macros ??

0 = undefined
1 = male
2 = female

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Re[2]: Addess Book Field Male / Female - How to use

[Raj]

Thomas,

On Tue, 15 Oct 2002, at 22:03:21 [GMT +0700] (which was 8:33 PM where I live) you
wrote:

TF> %ABtoGender should work for templates.

How  do  I specify Male or Female ?? This does not seem to be listed in the list
of macros ??

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Re: Bat newbies list?

[Marck D Pearlstone]

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Hi Scott,

@15-Oct-2002, 19:51 -0500 (01:51 UK time) Scott McNay [SM] in
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

SM> It would be very nice if there was a master FAQ

There is. Main menu | Help | FAQ takes you to it. It's
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBFAQ.html

SM> with all of this stuff in one place,

I was under the impression that most of the English language stuff
was there. If there is other stuff not included there then it has
simply not been submitted to me for inclusion.

SM> perhaps with stuff organized in chapters, with newbie stuff
SM> towards the beginning of each chapter and more advanced
SM> (obscure) stuff near the end of each chapter.

That's a nice thought. I don't have the time to rework the (pretty
large) content into that format right now.

SM> If such a FAQ could be included with new releases of TB!, that
SM> would be even nicer.

If it's on the main menu then doesn't that class as "included"?

Also, the last round of main TB "Help" file updates involved the
movement of some of the FAQ content into the Help file.

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Re[2]: Lost my draft mesage :-(

[Anne]

Wednesday, October 16, 2002, 12:16:44 AM,Joseph wrote:

JN> There could be several possibilities short of the draft's just plain
JN> vanishing.  To start with the simplest possibility, could you have
JN> been in an account other than the one you thought you were in?  You
JN> might search again (F7) for the message with broader criteria,
JN> including all accounts and only one name or phrase you know to be in
JN> the message.  Until you find the message, don't compress any folders.
JN> If you think it might have been deleted by accident, try Folder/Browse
JN> Deleted Messages.  Anyway, try the broad search; try the Outboxes of
JN> *all* your accounts; try the Send folders of *all* your accounts; then
JN> post back here if none of that works.

Joseph,

Thank you for your suggestions.  I eventually found the message hiding
in a rarely used account's outbox. I had run a search on the e-mail
address it was addressed to and it didn't show up which was what was
worrying me.  As I have 22 different mail accounts set up in The Bat!
(don't ask why! ) and many of those contain multiple folders it
was taking forever to search manually, especially when I had started
at the bottom of the list because that's where the common folder is!

I'm just so relieved that it's safe, thanks again!

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Re: Can you move to the original message?

[Scott McNay]

Hi Richard!

In message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
on Tuesday, October 15, 2002, 12:18:07 PM, you wrote:

RW> On Tue, 15 Oct 2002 at 07:54:41[GMT -0500](which was 13:54 where I
RW> live) you wrote:

RW>>> Yes but it *still* doesn't help my jump from one message, past all the
RW>>> messages that have been posted in the meantime, to the original
RW>>> message that it was replied to.

SM>> Click on the mid: link above; does that do what you want?

RW> Erm, I'm not sure. No, I don't think it does because it brings up the
RW> message in a separate window but doesn't take the pointer in the
RW> thread pane to the relevant message so I still can't see exactly where
RW> I am :-(


Ok, after clicking upon the mid: link (above), click on View | Message
List.

Needless  to  say,  not of much help with messages that don't show the
MSGID info for the prior message.

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Re: Bat newbies list?

[Scott McNay]

Hi all!

In message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
on Tuesday, October 15, 2002, 9:41:17 AM, you wrote:

JN> I echo what Jan replied. It seems to me that there are a few tips that
JN> would help new users (well, all users, really) manage this list. With
JN> those techniques, this list is very helpful and accommodating to new,
JN> non-techy users, because simple questions usually receive simple
JN> replies, and each person can assess how much technical assistance they
JN> need. The tips I find most useful are:

JN>   - filtering TB! mailing list messages into a dedicated folder;
JN>   - threading messages within the folder by reference;
JN>   - parking messages or moving them to an archive folder;
JN>   - right-clicking on the folder and choosing to "empty folder"
JN> (or pressing Ctrl+Del) when no more messages seem sufficiently
JN> interesting to read (parked messages will not be deleted this
JN> way).

I  have  a  suggestion/complaint/observation: While searching for info
about  macros,  I  found  that  there seems to be a small pile of FAQs
related  to  TB!,  on  various sites, and after that, there's a lot of
good  info  in the archives. For example, the code for cleaning up the
subject, editing the To: line ("name on tbudl"), the MSGID link, etc.,
are  all  available and useful, but not easy to find. It would be very
nice  if  there  was a master FAQ with all of this stuff in one place,
perhaps  with  stuff  organized in chapters, with newbie stuff towards
the  beginning  of each chapter and more advanced (obscure) stuff near
the end of each chapter.

If  such  a FAQ could be included with new releases of TB!, that would
be even nicer.

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Re[2]: Lost my draft mesage :-(

[Anne]

Wednesday, October 16, 2002, Henning wrote:

HB> I  have tried the same and found my message in the first "draft" box
HB> of   the   mailbox   directly   under   the  common  folder...

and later the same day Roelof wrote:

RO> I just tried where TB left the draft and it stored it in the outbox of
RO> the account that's configured as 'This account is the defautlt fot
RO> mailto links'.

RO> So if you've got multiple accounts, check all outboxes.


Henning and Roelof, thank you, you're both wonderful! These were the
clues I needed to find the missing message :-) The Common Folder was
at the bottom of the folder list and I found the missing message in
the outbox of the account at the *top* of the list - which happens to
be the *default* mail account and which I rarely use as it's not
accessible from my NTL connection!

I'm just so relieved that all the work wasn't lost! ;-)

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Re[2]: Cancelling a job before closing The Bat!

[Anne]

Tuesday, October 15, 2002, 5:28:25 PM,Thomas wrote:


TF> That's funny. Over here, the connection drops quite regularly while TB
TF> is still checking mail. What happens is that the Connection Center
TF> closes immediately, I don't have to wait for timeout. And TB closes
TF> without problems.

Thomas,

Is this the case with all versions that use the Connection Centre?
I'm not sure which version it started with - I bought 1.49 then
upgraded to 1.61 last month.


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Getting rid of unwanted messages

[Richard Wakeford]

I have one rule in my Inbox to direct all TB! mail into my BAT folder.
I have then set up a separate rule in the BAT folder to remove any
messages that have, for instance, '[PGP]' in the Subject line and to
move any message containing that to the Trash folder.

The trouble is the rule doesn't work. I've also tried it in the Inbox,
put before the main TB! filter, so that the unwanted messages were
supposed to be moved to the Trash folder before the main TB! messages
go to my BAT folder.

The trouble is that version doesn't work either. I should perhaps add
that I have "Continue checking with other filters" selected too.

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Re[2]: Bat newbies list?

[Anne]

Tuesday, October 15, 2002, 8:45:33 PM,3w wrote:


3> Why not compare this list to a newspaper: you'll only read what
3> catches your interest, the rest you just skip. And sometimes you'll
3> read something that you didn't look for, but it still helps you. And
3> don't tell me everybody understands everything he or she reads in the
3> paper.

3> AFAIK (as far as I know) nobody on this list ever replied in a bad
3> manner to a simple question - everybody got answers, not talking of
3> the speed they arrived (this is a round the globe list, and it's
3> great). And I've also seen threads when even very techie people
3> replied to simple question/answer threads like 'oh, I didn't know that
3> either! ;-)' This is what this list is all about: We all sit in the
3> same bat-boat. Hope this encourages you and your friends. :-)


Thank you to all who replied to my concerns about new users and this
List.  I really do appreciate all that you have said, and have taken
on board many of the suggestions to pass on to new users who I can
point towards this list.  Also thanks for the information about the
MFAQ page - I've bookmarked this as I'm sure it'll come in very handy.

It's really encouraging to read that you are all more than willing to
help total newbies as many lists with techie people on are not always
so welcoming sadly.  This doesn't appear to be a problem here so I
shall start spreading the word amongst the new users I meet and see if
they will pop a toe in TBUDL water as it were!

Thanks again everyone :-)

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Re: Lost my draft mesage :-(

[Joseph N.]

   On Tuesday, October 15, 2002, Anne wrote in
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

A>  expecting the draft version to be stored in the outbox of
A> the e-mail account I was using in the mail.

Anne,

There could be several possibilities short of the draft's just plain
vanishing.  To start with the simplest possibility, could you have
been in an account other than the one you thought you were in?  You
might search again (F7) for the message with broader criteria,
including all accounts and only one name or phrase you know to be in
the message.  Until you find the message, don't compress any folders.
If you think it might have been deleted by accident, try Folder/Browse
Deleted Messages.  Anyway, try the broad search; try the Outboxes of
*all* your accounts; try the Send folders of *all* your accounts; then
post back here if none of that works.

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Re: Lost my draft mesage :-(

[Henning Bredenkötter]

Guten Tag Anne,

am Mittwoch, 16. Oktober 2002 um 00:49 schrieben Sie:

A> I've probably done something silly here, but in the excitement of
A> having the new option of creating a common folder I moved all of a
A> group of messages from family members in different accounts into it -
A> some had been replied to and others were awaiting a response still.

A> This afternoon I sat and wrote a long e-mail with loads of info and
A> family news in it to my cousin, and as I needed to prepare some
A> attachments to go with it I clicked on the Save as Draft icon as I
A> usually do, expecting the draft version to be stored in the outbox of
A> the e-mail account I was using in the mail.  H it didn't!  The
A> draft has totally vanished from The Bat! and I cannot find it anywhere
A> :-( An hour and a half's work gone!

A> Can anyone tell me if there's anything I can do to rescue the draft
A> (where might it be?) or do I have to re-do the whole thing? And if so,
A> *why* is there no warning for the common folders that you cannot save
A> to draft?  I can't be the only person to do this surely? :-(


Maybe  the Bat has made a new "Draft" folder somewhere in the common
folders... try pressing Ctrl-Alt-Shift-L to search for Lost folders.

I  have tried the same and found my message in the first "draft" box
of   the   mailbox   directly   under   the  common  folder...  the
"Lost-Folder"-Key didnt work but you can try it too...

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Re: Lost my draft mesage :-(

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Anne,

On Tue, 15 Oct 2002 23:49:27 +0100GMT (16-10-02, 0:49 +0200GMT, where
I live), you wrote:

A> I clicked on the Save as Draft icon as I usually do, expecting the
A> draft version to be stored in the outbox of the e-mail account I
A> was using in the mail. H it didn't! The draft has totally
A> vanished from The Bat! and I cannot find it anywhere :-( An hour
A> and a half's work gone!

I just tried where TB left the draft and it stored it in the outbox of
the account that's configured as 'This account is the defautlt fot
mailto links'.

So if you've got multiple accounts, check all outboxes.

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Re: On read filter.

[Adam Bradley]

Tuesday, October 15, 2002, 11:29:49 PM, you wrote:
> Is there anyway that if you hit delete, it bins it rather than ignoring
> me and filtering it to it's folder anyway?

I don't really use read filters, but something just sprung to mind so
I thought I'd suggest it.
Could you set up a filter that deletes the mail as the first read
filter, set it not to continue with other filters and then assign it a
hot key? Then instead of hitting delete you would just hit whatever
key you assigned that filter and it would bin the message and avoid
other filters.
[waits for someone to tell him why this won't work]

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Re: On read filter.

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Chris,

On Tue, 15 Oct 2002 15:29:49 -0700GMT (16-10-02, 0:29 +0200GMT, where
I live), you wrote:

CW> Problem is, even if you delete the mail, it still get's filtered to it's
CW> respective folder.

Don't delete it, but flag it and set as option for your filter that
it's only triggered by unfiltered messages.

Create another read filter that deletes flagged messages.


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Lost my draft mesage :-(

[Anne]

I've probably done something silly here, but in the excitement of
having the new option of creating a common folder I moved all of a
group of messages from family members in different accounts into it -
some had been replied to and others were awaiting a response still.

This afternoon I sat and wrote a long e-mail with loads of info and
family news in it to my cousin, and as I needed to prepare some
attachments to go with it I clicked on the Save as Draft icon as I
usually do, expecting the draft version to be stored in the outbox of
the e-mail account I was using in the mail.  H it didn't!  The
draft has totally vanished from The Bat! and I cannot find it anywhere
:-( An hour and a half's work gone!

Can anyone tell me if there's anything I can do to rescue the draft
(where might it be?) or do I have to re-do the whole thing? And if so,
*why* is there no warning for the common folders that you cannot save
to draft?  I can't be the only person to do this surely? :-(

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 Anne



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Re: Lost folders

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Britt,

Sorry about the senseless reply I sent, don't know what happened, but
I couldn't stop it.

On Tue, 15 Oct 2002 23:49:47 +0200GMT (15-10-02, 23:49 +0200GMT, where
I live), you wrote:

BM> All of a sudden I couldn't send a message from my account malka.com. I
BM> looked in the log, and it said that I couldn't receive either, because
BM> there were no more space left on the account.

This and the other problems could be easily explained by lack of
diskspace. I don't know why SB wouldn't react properly to
Ctrl-Alt-Shift-L.

BM> I have searched the helpfile and the archive, with no luck. Have
BM> already tried Ctrl+Alt+Shift+L several times, have tried to backup and
BM> reinstall, have tried "refresh folders", have tried the program
BM> BackUpTheBat! which seems to find 150 of the folders, but when I
BM> import messages, it is only old, deleted messages that comes up.

You could try to close SB, copy your folder structure to another
disk, delete all messages.tb? in your account tree. Start SB again,
Ctrl-Alt-Shift-L again, see if it works now.
If it doesn't work, create your folder structure manually (Yuck!).
After you've restored your folder structure, close SB and move your
messages.tbb files into your new folder tree (take care that you
delete any existing messages.tb? files, both .tbb and .tbi)
Start SB to see whether it helped.

As I've never worked with SB, I'm just supposing the message base is
still called messages.tbb with a messages.tbi index.


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Re: NOD32

[Chris Weaven]

Hi all,

On Monday, October 7, 2002 21:26 our local time, Chris Weaven [CW]
wrote;

CW> Further to the question about anti-virus programs, I've decided to
CW> give NOD32 a go on the 25 day trial.

CW> I've added the 'Accounts' pop3.provider.net on port 110. What should
CW> it be listening on?

CW> At the moment it doesn't seem to pick up any mails coming through.

Update on NOD32 pop3 scanner. I received this mail from Eset.

---8< snip---

"The POP3 scanner (which will be gone within about 60 days - replaced by
Winsock scanning) will block any active virus coming in with an email -
you will get a notice telling you that a specific email had a virus."

---8< snip---

Just thought people might be interested.

What sort of difference can we expect form this?

Chris.

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On read filter.

[Chris Weaven]

Hi,

I love the on read filter, but there's one thing I'd like to change, or
find out if it can be fixed.

Before the mail is processed, I like to read it, obviously, as the
filter wouldn't work, but at this stage, I like to decide if to delete
the mail or keep it.

Problem is, even if you delete the mail, it still get's filtered to it's
respective folder.

Is there anyway that if you hit delete, it bins it rather than ignoring
me and filtering it to it's folder anyway?

Thanks,

Chris Weaven
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Re: Lost folders

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Britt,

On Tue, 15 Oct 2002 23:49:47 +0200GMT (15-10-02, 23:49 +0200GMT, where
I live), you wrote:
BM> Tuesday, October 15, 2002


BM> Dear tbudl,

BM> I had my SecureBat! installed on a small part of my partitioned
BM> harddisk.

BM> All of a sudden I couldn't send a message from my account malka.com. I
BM> looked in the log, and it said that I couldn't receive either, because
BM> there were no more space left on the account. I thought at first that
BM> the problem was with our Internet Supplyer.

BM> Several times The Bat! told me that there was a fawlt with folder
BM> somehting, and if I wanted to correct it now. I started out with
BM> answering yes, but it seemed to give problems to the program, so I
BM> answered no.

BM> Then I shut down SecureBat!

BM> When I opened it up again, about a 120 of my folders in malka.dk had
BM> disappeared.

BM> It seems that they are still on the harddisk. I have now moved
BM> SecureBat!, but I still cannot see the missing folders.

BM> I have searched the helpfile and the archive, with no luck. Have
BM> already tried Ctrl+Alt+Shift+L several times, have tried to backup and
BM> reinstall, have tried "refresh folders", have tried the program
BM> BackUpTheBat! which seems to find 150 of the folders, but when I
BM> import messages, it is only old, deleted messages that comes up.

BM> Anybody here have an idea?

BM> When I still have 151 folders in Explorer, they must still be there,
BM> mustn't they?





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Lost folders

[Britt Malka]

Tuesday, October 15, 2002


Dear tbudl,

I had my SecureBat! installed on a small part of my partitioned
harddisk.

All of a sudden I couldn't send a message from my account malka.com. I
looked in the log, and it said that I couldn't receive either, because
there were no more space left on the account. I thought at first that
the problem was with our Internet Supplyer.

Several times The Bat! told me that there was a fawlt with folder
somehting, and if I wanted to correct it now. I started out with
answering yes, but it seemed to give problems to the program, so I
answered no.

Then I shut down SecureBat!

When I opened it up again, about a 120 of my folders in malka.dk had
disappeared.

It seems that they are still on the harddisk. I have now moved
SecureBat!, but I still cannot see the missing folders.

I have searched the helpfile and the archive, with no luck. Have
already tried Ctrl+Alt+Shift+L several times, have tried to backup and
reinstall, have tried "refresh folders", have tried the program
BackUpTheBat! which seems to find 150 of the folders, but when I
import messages, it is only old, deleted messages that comes up.

Anybody here have an idea?

When I still have 151 folders in Explorer, they must still be there,
mustn't they?


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Re: ATT Broadband connections problems

[Mark at Carleton]

slug wrote:

>Hello All,
>
>I  set  up  the  smpt  connection  with  authentication in the Account
>Properties  screen. I choose Secure to dedicated port (TLS) and choose
>port  465  as  listed.  In the authentication box I check Perform smpt
>Authentication,  and  use  specific settings with my e-mail address as
>the user with my password as well.
>
>I  only  get a message in the Log saying Initiating TLS  handshake and
>then nothing more - not very helpful information.
>  
>
The Bat does not properly perform TLS.

It fails to send an SMTP EHLO command before
the STARTLS command and hence will not be accepted
by most SMTP servers.

All of the TLS/SSL stuff in the Bat does not work AT ALL.
Whether it's for IMAP or SMTP.

Mark





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Re: Bat newbies list?

[3w]

Tuesday, October 15, 2002, 4:43:14 PM, you wrote:


> encourage users to come but I'd hate for the list to scare them off by
> making them feel that The Bat! is aimed at techier people if you
> understand me, and I worry that may happen with some of them - and
> they are just the ones who I feel would benefit most from a basic
> simple users list.


Why not compare this list to a newspaper: you'll only read what
catches your interest, the rest you just skip. And sometimes you'll
read something that you didn't look for, but it still helps you. And
don't tell me everybody understands everything he or she reads in the
paper.

AFAIK (as far as I know) nobody on this list ever replied in a bad
manner to a simple question - everybody got answers, not talking of
the speed they arrived (this is a round the globe list, and it's
great). And I've also seen threads when even very techie people
replied to simple question/answer threads like 'oh, I didn't know that
either! ;-)' This is what this list is all about: We all sit in the
same bat-boat. Hope this encourages you and your friends. :-)

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Re[4]: ? Current situation with PGP 7.x plug-in

[sjx]

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AAG>> write answers. Yes, I guess everybody knows about PGPtray hotkeys
AAG>> BUT it CAN"T be compared with suitability of plug-in work.
AAG>> Especially when reading PGPed mail 20-30 messages per day.
> Sorry, but I have to disagree. I use PGP 6.5.8ckt version, and tried
> the plugin for some time. In the end I went back to the using the tray
> as it was just as quick and was what I was used to. The difference in
> time it takes to carry out any operation using either the plugin or
> the tray/hotkeys is negligible in my opinion.

I also use 658ckt, and I'm hybrid - the plugin for signing and
encrypting outgoing messages, because it can conveniently look
up the keys - but I strongly dislike the way the plugin decrypts
(does it store the decrypted messages in the database?), and use
the tray for reading messages. Enigmail's (Mozilla's mail client
GnuPG plugin) approach seems better to me on that score, but I
vastly prefer The Bat! to Mozilla Mail.

Replying to encrypted messages is only tricky if you haven't
mastered the clipboard - I just reply with no quotes, copy the
viewer contents from the clipboard and use Alt+Ins in the
message editor to paste the quotes, trim and reply.

It's not _perfect_, but I find I prefer it to the plugin, and I
get an immense amount of mail (about 10 a day are encrypted).

I haven't tried 8 yet, because as the source isn't available for
the beta, I don't trust it yet (I have adventurous plans for a
binary-only security audit, though, which I'm sure the new
owners of the source would appreciate in time) - though I am
glad it's finally out of the hands of NAI again.

- --
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Re: ATT Broadband connections problems

[Allie C Martin]

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In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Slug [S] wrote:'

S> I'm  using The Bat! 6.1

;) I wonder when TB! will reach that version and what it would be
capable of by then?

S> If  anybody  else  has a solution I would appreciate it.  Or any
S> other way  to  send  out  messages  through  'The Bat!' while
S> traveling.  My Netzero account won't work either.

I only have an 'any other' alternative. You could fire up your own
SMTP server that will deliver the mail for you. No remote SMTP
server to depend on. A good, fast, modular and freeware server is
Mercury/32. It doesn't incur much overhead, and I wrote a few pages
on how to configure it for SMTP services.

Look here:

http://home.ac-martin.com/mercury/merc32.html

Look under basic configuration for SMTP services.

When you're not on the road, you can switch back to using your ISP
server if you think the overhead is unreasonable and unnecessary if
you don't need to run it.

S> I want to use The Bat! because it is better than OE, but if I
S> can't configure it to work with my accounts I'll have to abandon
S> it.

I hope you don't. :)

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Re: NOD32

[William Moore]

 Hello Michael

 Thank you for your email dated Tuesday, October 15, 2002, 6:46:10 PM, in which you 
wrote:

WM>> It does this at the server?

MT> I dont think it does,
  
I'm sure it doesn't. The question was rhetorical.
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Re[2]: NOD32

[Michael Thompson]

Hello Ladies and Gents,

On Tue, 15 Oct 2002, at 16:42:07 [GMT +0100] (which was 16:42 in my
TimeZone) you wrote:




WM>  Hello Anne

WM>  Thank you for your email dated Tuesday, October 15, 2002, 1:40:51 PM, in which 
you wrote:

A>> I use Kaspersky AV and this does scan webpages as we view them... for
A>> instance if I visit a page with something nasty on it then KAV throws
A>> up an alert that the page contains some sort of malicious code.

WM> It does this at the server?


I dont think it does, it either operates on your local cache copy as
NAV does, or scans it as its' coming down, which is unlikly.

So I would guess it checks the local cache copy, as it is created,
provided the scan files or resident monitor is active.

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Re[2]: Can you move to the original message?

[Richard Wakeford]

Hello Scott,

On Tue, 15 Oct 2002 at 07:54:41[GMT -0500](which was 13:54 where I
live) you wrote:

RW>> Yes but it *still* doesn't help my jump from one message, past all the
RW>> messages that have been posted in the meantime, to the original
RW>> message that it was replied to.

SM> Click on the mid: link above; does that do what you want?

Erm, I'm not sure. No, I don't think it does because it brings up the
message in a separate window but doesn't take the pointer in the
thread pane to the relevant message so I still can't see exactly where
I am :-(

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ATT Broadband connections problems

[slug]

Hello All,

I'm  using The Bat! 6.1 and am having problems sending mail through my
ATT  broadband  Webmail  account  when  connected  through  AOL  while
traveling.  I  can  receive  mail  no  problem. And OE set up like ATT
requires has not problems with sending mail either as described here:
http://help.broadband.att.com/faq.jsp?content_id=1753&category_id=9#traveloe.

I  set  up  the  smpt  connection  with  authentication in the Account
Properties  screen. I choose Secure to dedicated port (TLS) and choose
port  465  as  listed.  In the authentication box I check Perform smpt
Authentication,  and  use  specific settings with my e-mail address as
the user with my password as well.

I  only  get a message in the Log saying Initiating TLS  handshake and
then nothing more - not very helpful information.

I've  tried  all  sorts  of  ways to configure this but to no avail. I
suspect  it  is  a  problem with the MD5 verification attempts (I have
this  unchecked,  but the documentation says The Bat! tries to do this
anyway)  or  the  use  of the user name instead of OE's use of account
name.   Perhaps there is some sort of code to enter in the user box to
fix this?

If  anybody  else  has a solution I would appreciate it.  Or any other
way  to  send  out  messages  through  'The Bat!' while traveling.  My
Netzero account won't work either.

I  want  to  use The Bat! because it is better than OE, but if I can't
configure it to work with my accounts I'll have to abandon it.

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Re: Cancelling a job before closing The Bat!

[Thomas F.]

Hello Anne,

On Tue, 15 Oct 2002 16:36:12 +0100 GMT (15/10/02, 22:36 +0700 GMT),
Anne wrote:

A> I did try this also and it didn't work with a dropped connection :-(

That's funny. Over here, the connection drops quite regularly while TB
is still checking mail. What happens is that the Connection Center
closes immediately, I don't have to wait for timeout. And TB closes
without problems.

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Bat newbies list?

[Ochrid]

Hello Anne,

Agree wholeheartedly with everything Deborah and others said.
Thanks, Raj, for that link: more evidence of the usefulness of
this group, to newbies and experts alike.

Anne: as regards the great number of messages every day: try the
digest. That is what I do now.

The digest comes in a very userfriendly form. My only problem is
that it is not as easy to reply to a particular post like yours.

But perhaps one of the old hands knows a solution to that too?

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Re: Bat newbies list?

[Marck D Pearlstone]

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Hi Raj,

@15-Oct-2002, 21:01 +0530 (16:31 UK time) Raj [RK] in
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

RK> Not  a  mailing  list,  but  I  had  created this page based on
RK> the frequency of questions which newbies ask on the list.

RK> http://www.mailmejobs.com/tbmaq.htm

RK> The  same  is  available  on  a email, but I forget the mail id.
RK> Maybe Marck can help.

The simplest way of getting hold of the MAQ is to click here:
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=GET%20MAQ.

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Re: NOD32

[Paul Cartwright]

On Tuesday, October 15, 2002, 10:30 AM, you wrote:



CW>>> But don't you find it frustrating having to restart the machine
CW>>> every time you install new virus definitions?

MDP>> Not really. Just a necessary evil.

ACM> Is it? I've never had to reboot when updating virus definitions for
ACM> NOD32.

  I'm not sure it reboots every time you update the VIRUS definitions,
maybe only when it updates the program files themselves. I KNOW I've
updates the definitions plenty of times without rebooting, and I also
know I have updated the program itself a few times. I have AVG set to
update every 3 days, but I've done it manually also and NOT have it
reboot.

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Re: Can you move to the original message?

[Thomas F.]

Hello Richard,

On Tue, 15 Oct 2002 11:12:03 +0100 GMT (15/10/02, 17:12 +0700 GMT),
Richard Wakeford wrote:

RW> I've got them filtered by reference

Same here.

RW> For example "A" posts a message. Several others respond in various
RW> ways and then "X" replies. By this time the original has moved way
RW> up (or down) the list and I want to be able to jump straight to it

I see what you mean, as I have the same problem sometimes. I need to
scroll up to several messages find the message that was replied to. A
keyboard shortcut "jump to previous message" (i.e. the one this is a
reply to), and another shortcut for "go to beginning of thread" would
be useful.

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Re: Addess Book Field Male / Female - How to use

[Thomas F.]

Hello Raj,

On Tue, 15 Oct 2002 17:40:18 +0530 GMT (15/10/02, 19:10 +0700 GMT),
Raj wrote:

R> In the Address book there is a field to identify the person as male
R> or female (gender). I do not see any macro which is meant to use
R> this info. Or am I missing something here.

%ABtoGender should work for templates.

R> The need is to wish all males (or females) in my address book.

The search function does not seem to have an option for this.

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Re[3]: Bat newbies list?

[Deborah W]

On Tuesday, October 15, 2002, 3:43:14 PM, Anne wrote:

A> Thanks for your thoughts Jan - I personally think this is a great
A> list, but I'm just worried that many of the very new users I'm seeing
A> will be intimidated by the techier stuff. Many of them are still at a
A> very basic level and may feel overwhelmed by it all. Those of us new
A> to The Bat! but who are more familiar with PC's in general probably
A> don't feel that way at all. :-) It also seems to be a busy list -
A> since joining I've had 181 messages in less than 3/4 days - that may
A> be a bit much for some of the very new to handle. 

This list *can* seem very high-tech, & *can* be very busy, but if you
do what I did (and still do) it's extremely helpful. I immediately
delete anything that goes over my head (eg anything on RegEx) or
anything that doesn't interest me (eg discussions on PGP). From what's
left, I find that not only are my questions answered, but I also find
out about ways to do things that are much more simple or useful, and
features I never knew existed. If I were referring a fairly
computer-illiterate person here, I'd suggest they delete heavily &
only read as much as they're comfortable with. They'll soon find that
they're understanding more of the posts here :-)

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Re: NOD32

[William Moore]

 Hello Anne

 Thank you for your email dated Tuesday, October 15, 2002, 1:40:51 PM, in which you 
wrote:

A> I use Kaspersky AV and this does scan webpages as we view them... for
A> instance if I visit a page with something nasty on it then KAV throws
A> up an alert that the page contains some sort of malicious code.

It does this at the server?

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Re[2]: Cancelling a job before closing The Bat!

[Anne]

Tuesday, October 15, 2002, 4:22:34 PM,Jonathan wrote:

JA> I agree, a cancel button would be nice. The way around it though it to
JA> display the connection center, and abort the connection in there. To
JA> display that, go to Options - Preferences - General - Display
JA> Connection Center - Change to Always. Then terminate your connection,
JA> and hide it again. Then you can close :)


Thanks Jonathan,

I did try this also and it didn't work with a dropped connection :-(

I even tried closing the program using Ctrl+Alt+Del and all that did
was bring up the same "Some tasks are now active. etc" box! 

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Re: Bat newbies list?

[Marcus Ohlström]

On Tuesday, October 15, 2002, 16:43, Anne wrote:

> Thanks for your thoughts Jan - I personally think this is a great
> list, but I'm just worried that many of the very new users I'm seeing
> will be intimidated by the techier stuff. Many of them are still at a
> very basic level and may feel overwhelmed by it all.

I understand your concern but don't think creating a new list is a good
idea. The problem is that most users will get more advanced as time goes
by, your newly created list will be as techie as TBUDL is. It might be
possible to tell the more advanced users to move to TBUDL, but I think
that would demand pretty heavy moderation which will put the nice and
welcoming attitude at risk.

Besides, this will divide the user base of TB! into two different lists,
I think many readers won't bother reading both lists. That will result
in the common knowledge of TBUDL being divided by two, if you understand
what I mean. And, furthermore, the new users won't have access to the
heavy expertise present here.

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Re: Bat newbies list?

[Raj]

Anne,

On Tue, 15 Oct 2002, at 14:37:01 [GMT +0100] (which was 7:07 PM where I live) you
wrote:

A> Therefore what I really would like to know is if there is a help
A> mailing list for those who are brand new to The Bat!, who maybe don't
A> have much PC knowledge, are keen to learn, but don't want to be
A> outfaced by too much in-depth or techie stuff?

Not  a  mailing  list,  but  I  had  created this page based on the frequency of
questions which newbies ask on the list.

http://www.mailmejobs.com/tbmaq.htm

The  same  is  available  on  a email, but I forget the mail id. Maybe Marck can
help.


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Re: Cancelling a job before closing The Bat!

[Jonathan Angliss]

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On Tuesday, October 15, 2002, Anne wrote...

> The only annoyance I've found in the new version 1.61 of The Bat! is
> the message box which appears if you try to close the program whilst
> a job is in progress. Earlier versions had a Cancel option which
> could be used when, for instance, if the program is checking for new
> mail on a mail server but my PC had been booted offline before the
> job had completed. Sometimes I don't want to go back online just
> then and decide to leave the mail checking until later. When I try
> and close the program this message comes up, "Some tasks are now
> active. Do you want to exit when they are finished" with a Yes and a
> No button. Regardless of if I press Yes or No I have to wait for the
> program connection attempt to time out before I can close The Bat! I
> cannot cancel the job as I used to be able to. Anyone else find this
> annoying as well, or find a way around it please?

I agree, a cancel button would be nice. The way around it though it to
display the connection center, and abort the connection in there. To
display that, go to Options - Preferences - General - Display
Connection Center - Change to Always. Then terminate your connection,
and hide it again. Then you can close :)

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Cancelling a job before closing The Bat!

[Anne]

The only annoyance I've found in the new version 1.61 of The Bat! is
the message box which appears if you try to close the program whilst a
job is in progress.  Earlier versions had a Cancel option which could
be used when, for instance, if the program is checking for new mail on
a mail server but my PC had been booted offline before the job had
completed.  Sometimes I don't want to go back online just then and
decide to leave the mail checking until later.  When I try and close
the program this message comes up, "Some tasks are now active.  Do you
want to exit when they are finished" with a Yes and a No button.
Regardless of if I press Yes or No I have to wait for the program
connection attempt to time out before I can close The Bat! I cannot
cancel the job as I used to be able to.  Anyone else find this
annoying as well, or find a way around it please?

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Re[2]: Bat newbies list?

[Anne]

Tuesday, October 15, 2002, 3:41:17 PM,Joseph wrote:


JN> I echo what Jan replied. It seems to me that there are a few tips that
JN> would help new users (well, all users, really) manage this list. With
JN> those techniques, this list is very helpful and accommodating to new,
JN> non-techy users, because simple questions usually receive simple
JN> replies, and each person can assess how much technical assistance they
JN> need. The tips I find most useful are:

JN>   - filtering TB! mailing list messages into a dedicated folder;
JN>   - threading messages within the folder by reference;
JN>   - parking messages or moving them to an archive folder;
JN>   - right-clicking on the folder and choosing to "empty folder"
JN> (or pressing Ctrl+Del) when no more messages seem sufficiently
JN> interesting to read (parked messages will not be deleted this
JN> way).


Joseph,

Thank you for this - the tips for filters are very useful and
I'll pass them on with my suggestions to join this list.


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Re[2]: Bat newbies list?

[Anne]

Tuesday, October 15, 2002, 2:43:11 PM,Jan wrote:


JR>   This is the place for newbies to come.
JR>   Sometimes it does get a little techie but
JR>   when it veers too far off course, the
JR>   moderators [this is a *very* well run list]
JR>   will move the thread to the TBTech list.

JR>   No question is too simple for this list.
JR>   There is no such thing as a silly, stupid
JR>   question. Someone will always come along to
JR>   help so encourage your friends to visit.

JR>   HTH


Thanks for your thoughts Jan - I personally think this is a great
list, but I'm just worried that many of the very new users I'm seeing
will be intimidated by the techier stuff. Many of them are still at a
very basic level and may feel overwhelmed by it all. Those of us new
to The Bat! but who are more familiar with PC's in general probably
don't feel that way at all. :-) It also seems to be a busy list -
since joining I've had 181 messages in less than 3/4 days - that may
be a bit much for some of the very new to handle. I'll certainly
encourage users to come but I'd hate for the list to scare them off by
making them feel that The Bat! is aimed at techier people if you
understand me, and I worry that may happen with some of them - and
they are just the ones who I feel would benefit most from a basic
simple users list.

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Re: NOD32

[Thomas Martin]

Hello  Allie,

On  Tuesday, 15. October 2002  at 09:30:59 [GMT -0500] you wrote:


CW>>> But don't you find it frustrating having to restart the machine
CW>>> every time you install new virus definitions?

You only can (but don't have to) reboot the machine if the scanning
engine itself of AVG or NOd32 is updated. That is so with each AV
Program. If there is only a update of the Virus definitions you don't
have to reboot.


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Re: Bat newbies list?

[Joseph N.]

   On Tuesday, October 15, 2002, Anne wrote in
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

A> Therefore what I really would like to know is if there is a help
A> mailing list for those who are brand new to The Bat!

Anne,

I echo what Jan replied. It seems to me that there are a few tips that
would help new users (well, all users, really) manage this list. With
those techniques, this list is very helpful and accommodating to new,
non-techy users, because simple questions usually receive simple
replies, and each person can assess how much technical assistance they
need. The tips I find most useful are:

  - filtering TB! mailing list messages into a dedicated folder;
  - threading messages within the folder by reference;
  - parking messages or moving them to an archive folder;
  - right-clicking on the folder and choosing to "empty folder"
(or pressing Ctrl+Del) when no more messages seem sufficiently
interesting to read (parked messages will not be deleted this
way).

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Re: NOD32

[Allie C Martin]

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In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Marck D Pearlstone [MDP] wrote:'

CW>> But don't you find it frustrating having to restart the machine
CW>> every time you install new virus definitions?

MDP> Not really. Just a necessary evil.

Is it? I've never had to reboot when updating virus definitions for
NOD32.

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Re:Bat newbies list?

[Jan Rifkinson]

Hi Anne.

At 9:37 AM on Tuesday, October 15, 2002 you
[A] wrote the following about 'Bat newbies
list?':

A> [...] I found this list fairly recently
A> thinking it may be place I can recommend
A> they come for help, [/...]

  This is the place for newbies to come.
  Sometimes it does get a little techie but
  when it veers too far off course, the
  moderators [this is a *very* well run list]
  will move the thread to the TBTech list.

  No question is too simple for this list.
  There is no such thing as a silly, stupid
  question. Someone will always come along to
  help so encourage your friends to visit.

  HTH

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Bat newbies list?

[Anne]

Hello all,

I'm fairly new to this list and having tried and fallen for The Bat!
which I find incredibly easy to use. I'm now busily promoting it to my
fellow listers in the genealogy community who are frequently users of
OE and fall victim to viruses fairly often.

Having had some success in promoting it I find I'm now answering
questions in personal mails helping newbie users set up and explore
the program. I found this list fairly recently thinking it may be a
place I can recommend they come for help, but having read messages for
a week I can see many techie/semi-techie discussions which would scare
them off!

Therefore what I really would like to know is if there is a help
mailing list for those who are brand new to The Bat!, who maybe don't
have much PC knowledge, are keen to learn, but don't want to be
outfaced by too much in-depth or techie stuff?

If there isn't such a list, then I'd be more than happy to start one
to help newbies get going - but I don't want to re-invent the wheel!

Any comments from all you *old hands* would be welcome though. Thanks
:-)

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Re: Can you move to the original message?

[Scott McNay]

Hi Richard!

In message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
on Tuesday, October 15, 2002, 5:23:26 AM, you wrote:

RW> Yes but it *still* doesn't help my jump from one message, past all the
RW> messages that have been posted in the meantime, to the original
RW> message that it was replied to.

Click on the mid: link above; does that do what you want?

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Re[2]: NOD32

[Anne]

Tuesday, October 15, 2002, 7:37:39 AM,William wrote:

WM> Pages from the net, as
WM> such, are not scanned as far as I'm aware by any AV. Viruses only do
WM> their thing if the file containing them are executed. If I'm wrong on
WM> this I'm sure I'll be corrected :-)


I use Kaspersky AV and this does scan webpages as we view them... for
instance if I visit a page with something nasty on it then KAV throws
up an alert that the page contains some sort of malicious code.


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Addess Book Field Male / Female - How to use

[Raj]

Fellow TB users,

In  the  Address  book there is a field to identify the person as male or female
(gender).  I  do  not  see  any  macro  which is meant to use this info. Or am I
missing something here.

The need is to wish all males (or females) in my address book.

Thanks

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Re[4]: ? Current situation with PGP 7.x plug-in

[Alexander A. Gomanyuk]

Hello Carren and Batmans,

On Tuesday, October 15, 2002 Carren wrote:

> On Tuesday, 15 October 2002 at 5:34 p.m. Alexander wrote: 

AAG>> Well, thank You for You Ali and other guys for taking time to
AAG>> write answers. Yes, I guess everybody knows about PGPtray hotkeys
AAG>> BUT it CAN"T be compared with suitability of plug-in work.
AAG>> Especially when reading PGPed mail 20-30 messages per day.

> Sorry, but I have to disagree. I use PGP 6.5.8ckt version, and tried
> the plugin for some time. In the end I went back to the using the tray
> as it was just as quick and was what I was used to. The difference in
> time it takes to carry out any operation using either the plugin or
> the tray/hotkeys is negligible in my opinion.

Well, it's Your opinion. OK, would You advice, can Your PGPtray
approach be adjusted so that while Encrypting messages PGP
automatically takes the public key of recipients ? Would You ?

Or i must every time look at window with PGP keys and select ones ?


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Re: NOD32

[Marek Mikus]

On Mon, 14 Oct 2002, Chris Weaven wrote:

> On Tuesday, October 8, 2002 06:21 your local time, which was Monday,
> October 7, 2002 at 22:21 my local time, William Moore [WM] wrote;
> 
> CW>> I've decided to give
> CW>> NOD32 a go on the 25 day trial.
> WM> You've made the right choice, IMHO. I've found nothing to touch it. You
> WM> can find the manual for POP integration here
> WM> http://www.nod32.com/download/manual.htm
> 
> One further question, when you update the virus definitions, do you then
> need to re-start the machine? That's something that really bugs me about
> AVG!

AVG needs restart, if are changes in program's core and they are not too 
often. It is not needed to restart, if are definitions downloaded only.

BTW there is fourth beta of AVG7, which will be much better - it will 
have incremental updates and better scanning/cleaning capabilities. It 
should be released in November, as I know.

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Re[2]: Can you move to the original message?

[Richard Wakeford]

Hello Marck,

On Tue, 15 Oct 2002 at 11:07:57[GMT +0100](which was 11:07 where I
live) you wrote:

RW>> ... and then "X" replies. By this time the original has moved
RW>> way up (or down) the list and I want to be able to jump straight
RW>> to it and then back to the reply again with a single key stroke
RW>> (or combination).

MDP> That's what "thread by reference" helps you with. It groups messages
MDP> and their replies in cascading threads. Not all clients provide the
MDP> correct "In-Reply-to" and "References" headers to help you to do
MDP> this, but it works in many cases.

Yes but it *still* doesn't help my jump from one message, past all the
messages that have been posted in the meantime, to the original
message that it was replied to.

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Re[2]: Can you move to the original message?

[Richard Wakeford]

Hello Roelof,

On Tue, 15 Oct 2002 at 11:46:33[GMT +0200](which was 10:46 where I
live) you wrote: RO> Hallo Richard,


RO> If you're filtering these messages into the same folder, you can find
RO> the original message fast by viewing threads. The way to view threads
RO> can be altered in one keystroke.
RO>  <0> no threading
RO>  <1> threading by references
RO>  <2> threading by subject
RO> Threading by references is the easiest way to find the immediate
RO> original, but some mua's neither support the references header nor the
RO> in-reply-to header, so for those you'll need to thread by subject.

I've got them filtered by reference and using any of the other quick
keys just confuses the issue even more (at least it does for me) and
doesn't do what I would like. For example "A" posts a message. Several
others respond in various ways and then "X" replies. By this time the
original has moved way up (or down) the list and I want to be able to
jump straight to it and then back to the reply again with a single key
stroke (or combination) and missing out the intervening messages.

Seems like it's not possible.
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Re: Can you move to the original message?

[Marck D Pearlstone]

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Hi Richard,

@15-Oct-2002, 10:22 Richard Wakeford [RW] in
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

RW> ... and then "X" replies. By this time the original has moved
RW> way up (or down) the list and I want to be able to jump straight
RW> to it and then back to the reply again with a single key stroke
RW> (or combination).

That's what "thread by reference" helps you with. It groups messages
and their replies in cascading threads. Not all clients provide the
correct "In-Reply-to" and "References" headers to help you to do
this, but it works in many cases.

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Re: NOD32

[Marck D Pearlstone]

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Hi Chris,

@14-Oct-2002, 20:21 -0700 (04:21 UK time) Chris Weaven [CW] in
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

CW>>> 1. AVG with plug-in to TB! to prevent mail virus'

MDP>> I use and like this myself.

CW> But don't you find it frustrating having to restart the machine
CW> every time you install new virus definitions?

Not really. Just a necessary evil.

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Re: Can you move to the original message?

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Richard,

On Tue, 15 Oct 2002 10:22:00 +0100GMT (15-10-02, 11:22 +0200GMT, where
I live), you wrote:

RW> That's not what I want though. When a new message arrives in a folder
RW> (it doesn't matter who it is from) I sometimes want to be able to read
RW> in full the original message and, sometimes, the original to that one
RW> too without having to scroll through all the other messages that have
RW> been posted between.

If you're filtering these messages into the same folder, you can find
the original message fast by viewing threads. The way to view threads
can be altered in one keystroke.
 <0> no threading
 <1> threading by references
 <2> threading by subject
Threading by references is the easiest way to find the immediate
original, but some mua's neither support the references header nor the
in-reply-to header, so for those you'll need to thread by subject.

When you're not filtering the messages into the same folder, you're
out of luck with TB.

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Re[2]: Can you move to the original message?

[Richard Wakeford]

Hello Markus,

On Tue, 15 Oct 2002 at 11:06:34[GMT +0200](which was 10:06 where I
live) you wrote:

MG> Select a message that you replied to (visualized
MG> by some arrow icon on MG> the envelope) and hit Ctrl+Backspace, that
MG> should work.

That's not what I want though. When a new message arrives in a folder
(it doesn't matter who it is from) I sometimes want to be able to read
in full the original message and, sometimes, the original to that one
too without having to scroll through all the other messages that have
been posted between.

For example "A" posts a message. Several others respond in various
ways and then "X" replies. By this time the original has moved way up
(or down) the list and I want to be able to jump straight to it and
then back to the reply again with a single key stroke (or
combination).

It appears that it is not possible and I suppose I will have to accept
it :-(

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Richard

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Re: Can you move to the original message?

[Markus Gloede]

Hi,

Richard Wakeford wrote in msgid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :

>> Ctrl + Backspace

> Not here it doesn't :-(

> I get "this message is addressed to you but mot marked as replied"

Select a message that you replied to (visualized by some arrow icon on
the envelope) and hit Ctrl+Backspace, that should work.

Regards,

Markus
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Re: Current situation with PGP 7.x plug-in

[Christopher Taylor-Davies]

On Tuesday, October 15, 2002, 7:09:35 AM, Jonathan wrote:

> Read the message carefully... now go into PGP and verify Allie's key
> (sign it yourself with non-exportable signature).. then reverify the
> signature :)  See what happens.

Excellent! Now I see how things work. Thanks to you both for helping
me out.


Regards
Christopher  mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re[2]: Can you move to the original message?

[Richard Wakeford]

Hello Anthony,

On Tue, 15 Oct 2002 at 01:06:08[GMT -0700](which was 09:06 where I
live) you wrote:

>> I've looked through all the key strokes and cannot find a way to be
>> able to toggle between the reply that has just been sent and the
>> original message.

AXC> Ctrl + Backspace

Not here it doesn't :-(

I get "this message is addressed to you but mot marked as replied"

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Richard

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Re: Can you move to the original message?

[Anthony Xin Chen]

Hi All,

On 15 Oct 2002 08:51:36  (my local time 00:51:36), Richard Wakeford
wrote
(in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED])

> I've looked through all the key strokes and cannot find a way to be
> able to toggle between the reply that has just been sent and the
> original message.

Ctrl + Backspace






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Can you move to the original message?

[Richard Wakeford]

Hello,

I've looked through all the key strokes and cannot find a way to be
able to toggle between the reply that has just been sent and the
original message. I would like this as, sometimes, the messages are
far apart. Even though there is quoting to help it is sometimes better
to read the original message in full and, with Ameol, pressing "O"
took you in sequence back through the messages in the order they were
replied to.
  
-- 
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 Richard  mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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