Re: Mass mailing using template
Hi Ming-Li, On Saturday, January 06, 2001 at 5:29:59 PM you wrote: But anyhow: What kind of system am I supposed to have to send 200 messages? I guess only RIT people can answer this one. Also it should depend on, among other things, the length of the message. How about trying it out yourself? :) Apart from some test messages (which worked fine), I haven't tried it at all. The tone of my message was supposed to be: I can't believe that memory is a real issue for this function and I really don't care... TB should determine itself how many threads can be started on any specific system... If that is in fact the problem, which I don't believe. Oliver Sturm -- $ cat "can of food" cat: cannot open can of food -- Oliver Sturm / [EMAIL PROTECTED] Key ID: 71D86996 Fingerprint: 8085 5C52 60B8 EFBD DAD0 78B8 CE7F 38D7 71D8 6996 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Mass mailing using template
Hi Ming-Li, On Thursday, January 04, 2001 at 5:57:30 PM you wrote: Why not? Each individual message has to be generated separately. Don't forget, the MM function is to facilitate individualized mass mailing, and the QT involved may use macros such as %ABnnnppp for such customization which need to be evaluated individually. I don't see a reason why more than one message should be held in memory at the same time at any time. At most, there's the list of recipients. But anyhow: What kind of system am I supposed to have to send 200 messages? Oliver Sturm -- % ar m God ar: God does not exist -- Oliver Sturm / [EMAIL PROTECTED] Key ID: 71D86996 Fingerprint: 8085 5C52 60B8 EFBD DAD0 78B8 CE7F 38D7 71D8 6996 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Mass mailing using template
Hi Jan Rifkinson, On Tuesday, January 02, 2001 at 2:13:01 PM you wrote: syv Address book group: 1586 people syv Sent with the template [placed in the outbox]: 1325 syv Missing: 261: Where did they do? I believe this is a function of memory, i.e. not enough memory to create the other 261 msgs. When I use mass mailings I do it in sections, i.e. [(A-G), (H-M), (N-Z)] to avoid this. The missing 261 will most likely be the *last* 261 people in your list. HTH Just as I'm also interested in this function (haven't really tried with large numbers of recipients, though): Why should an iteration over 1500 recipients take a single byte more memory than with 5 recipients? Oliver Sturm -- "Computers in the future may weigh no more than 1.5 tons." (Popular Mechanics, 1949) -- Oliver Sturm / [EMAIL PROTECTED] Key ID: 71D86996 Fingerprint: 8085 5C52 60B8 EFBD DAD0 78B8 CE7F 38D7 71D8 6996 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Reading confirmation prompt with 1.48?
Hello TBUDL, I have my account configured to put reading confirmations into the outbox, but to prompt me before doing so. But since I installed 1.48, I'm no longer prompted about it... even more funny is that the confirmation mails are already created when the mails are received, not when they are read or seen. Maybe it's my fault, but I don't remember having changed anything about my configuration since installing 1.48, so has someone seen this? Best regards, Oliver mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Reading confirmation prompt with 1.48?
Hello Oliver, Tuesday, December 19, 2000, 9:19:57 AM, you wrote: Maybe it's my fault, but I don't remember having changed anything about my configuration since installing 1.48, so has someone seen this? Ok, it was my fault, because I accidentally checked "Create reading confirmation" in a filter. Anyway, why doesn't my global setting "Ask before action" not apply here? Best regards, Olivermailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Mass mailing???
Hi Michal Kosinski, On Friday, December 15, 2000 at 11:49:02 PM you wrote: OS I just installed 1.48, primarily because I saw something about mass OS mailing in the what's new file. Now, there it says '[+] "Mass Mailing" OS menu in the Address Book's "File" menu.' But. I can't find that thing OS anywhere. I thought I was able to identify my address book's file OS menu, but there's no such entry in there. Can anyone tell me what I'm OS doing wrong? You're about to have at least one Quick Template to access this option in Address Book. Thanks! That one gets the new top position in the list of unintuitive functions :-) Oliver Sturm -- Thou shalt not follow the NULL pointer, for chaos and madness await thee at its end. -- Oliver Sturm / [EMAIL PROTECTED] Key ID: 71D86996 Fingerprint: 8085 5C52 60B8 EFBD DAD0 78B8 CE7F 38D7 71D8 6996 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Mass mailing???
Hi Jan Rifkinson, On Saturday, December 16, 2000 at 2:28:55 PM you wrote: Michal You're about to have at least one Quick Template to access Michal this option in Michal Address Book. Could you elaborate on this a little as I have no idea what you are referring to. Many thanks. Just go to Account/Properties/Templates and create a quick template. Be sure to check the "Use for new messages/Mass mailing" options for the template. Then, suddenly, you have to new submenus in the address book window's file menu, where you can create a new mail or a mass mailing from the quick template. Oliver Sturm -- Floppy: The state of your wallet after purchasing a computer. -- Oliver Sturm / [EMAIL PROTECTED] Key ID: 71D86996 Fingerprint: 8085 5C52 60B8 EFBD DAD0 78B8 CE7F 38D7 71D8 6996 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Mass mailing???
Hi there, I just installed 1.48, primarily because I saw something about mass mailing in the what's new file. Now, there it says '[+] "Mass Mailing" menu in the Address Book's "File" menu.' But. I can't find that thing anywhere. I thought I was able to identify my address book's file menu, but there's no such entry in there. Can anyone tell me what I'm doing wrong? Thanks! Oliver Sturm -- Who is General Failure and why is he reading my disk? -- Oliver Sturm / [EMAIL PROTECTED] Key ID: 71D86996 Fingerprint: 8085 5C52 60B8 EFBD DAD0 78B8 CE7F 38D7 71D8 6996 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: OT: European Coffee Machine Will Send Its Own E-Mail
Hi Marck D. Pearlstone, On Wednesday, November 08, 2000 at 1:38:28 AM you wrote: FYI the article mentions the Cambridge University "Coffee Pot on the web" and refers to it as the first Web Cam. Its true title is the "Trojan Room Coffee Machine". It's still up there and you can see it here: http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/coffee/coffee.html. But even before that there was that coke machine which you could finger to see how many cans were still available. I don't know where that was, although I seem to remember that it's still supposed to work... Oliver Sturm -- This Virus requires Microsoft Windows. -- Oliver Sturm / [EMAIL PROTECTED] Key ID: 71D86996 Fingerprint: 8085 5C52 60B8 EFBD DAD0 78B8 CE7F 38D7 71D8 6996 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: SOT: Odd MUA
Hi Nick Danger, On Tuesday, October 17, 2000 at 9:16:36 PM you wrote: I received a note from someone sporting this tag: X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.04 3N0YRr2WtpErowLGdWwsgaBd2E Anyone ever hear of this program before? Any info on it? That's a complete suite of internet-related tools for Windows systems. Look at www.turnpike.com (yes!) for info, or at http://www.nfe.com/owl/strouds/32suite-turnpike.html for a small review. Oliver Sturm -- % \(- (-: Command not found. -- Oliver Sturm / [EMAIL PROTECTED] Key ID: 71D86996 Fingerprint: 8085 5C52 60B8 EFBD DAD0 78B8 CE7F 38D7 71D8 6996 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Moving a folder into another?
Hi Frédéric Médery, On Saturday, October 07, 2000 at 5:12:49 PM you wrote: OS I know I can move around folders using the ALT key. But how can I move OS a folder into another? Is that possible or do I have to create a new OS folder and move the messages over? Hold ATL+CTRL keys and drag the folder. Great, thanks! Oliver Sturm -- % \(- (-: Command not found. -- Oliver Sturm / [EMAIL PROTECTED] Key ID: 71D86996 Fingerprint: 8085 5C52 60B8 EFBD DAD0 78B8 CE7F 38D7 71D8 6996 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Moving a folder into another?
Hi there, I know I can move around folders using the ALT key. But how can I move a folder into another? Is that possible or do I have to create a new folder and move the messages over? Thanks! Oliver Sturm -- I prefer using the door instead of the Windows... -- Oliver Sturm / [EMAIL PROTECTED] Key ID: 71D86996 Fingerprint: 8085 5C52 60B8 EFBD DAD0 78B8 CE7F 38D7 71D8 6996 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Inbound TCP Communication
Hi Thomas Fernandez, On Sunday, October 01, 2000 at 7:27:08 AM you wrote: This is the info I just pasted from the log: Quote This one time, the user has chosen to "block" communications. Details: Inbound TCP connection Local address,service is (163.31.23.50,nbsession) Remote address,service is (163.31.23.191,1163) Process name is "C:\PROGRAM FILES\THE BAT!\THEBAT.EXE" Unquote I'm running AtGuard V.3.2. If there is more info somewhere, let me know where to look. I don't know that software... I just don't understand what meaning the process name is supposed to have in this context. There's only one situation I can imagine where any local process would have to do with the connection: if that local process had a listening socket open on the port in question. But TB doesn't open any listening sockets at all, AFAIK (why should it?), so this really can't be the case. Or maybe the word "incoming" is wrong here? Which of those two IP addresses belongs to your system? Oliver Sturm -- % ar m God ar: God does not exist -- Oliver Sturm / [EMAIL PROTECTED] Key ID: 71D86996 Fingerprint: 8085 5C52 60B8 EFBD DAD0 78B8 CE7F 38D7 71D8 6996 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Inbound TCP Communication
Hi Thomas Fernandez, On Saturday, September 30, 2000 at 8:03:46 PM you wrote: And what is nbsession, by the way, as I get that a lot. That's a protocol belonging to the SMB suite, which provides Windows file sharing. But I'm wondering how your firewall can detect an application running on your own machine attempting an *IN*bound communication? There's either a problem with your firewall or it's terminology :-) Doesn't it give you any proper logs showing the packet information? Oliver Sturm -- Always proofread carefully in case you something out. -- Oliver Sturm / [EMAIL PROTECTED] Key ID: 71D86996 Fingerprint: 8085 5C52 60B8 EFBD DAD0 78B8 CE7F 38D7 71D8 6996 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: S/MIME
Hi Gary Mort, On Monday, September 25, 2000 at 7:47:46 PM you wrote: S/MIME, as I understand it, is less 'intrusive' than PGP. With a PGP signed message you have: Begin PGP Signed Message notifyer string Some text Close PGP Signed Message notifyer string Clunky looking string of garbage that is the PGP signature Whereas, S/MIME stores the garbage in another MIME section, so if your email program supports it you don't have to see it. Doesn't PGP support MIME detached signatures, too? Oliver Sturm -- % \(- (-: Command not found. -- Oliver Sturm / [EMAIL PROTECTED] Key ID: 71D86996 Fingerprint: 8085 5C52 60B8 EFBD DAD0 78B8 CE7F 38D7 71D8 6996 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
So, what's new in 1.46d again?
Hi there, although I subscribed to that announcement list after all, I didn't receive any announcement for that newest version. What's the difference there, please? I reckon it might be something important, as they don't usually provide intermittent versions. Thanks! Oliver Sturm -- Linux: The Ultimate NT Service Pack -- Oliver Sturm / [EMAIL PROTECTED] Key ID: 71D86996 Fingerprint: 8085 5C52 60B8 EFBD DAD0 78B8 CE7F 38D7 71D8 6996 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Column width with threading
Hi Ming-Li, On Saturday, September 23, 2000 at 3:20:29 PM you wrote: I know neither Agent's nor XNews's way of doing things, and I'm in fact quite satisfied with TB's way of visualising threading (the threading itself is not so good). Again, I can't talk about XNews since my memory has faded. Agent does this and it's quite clever, at least to me: Subject Author Date This is a thread John 9/23/00 I hope that's clear enough (Note that I omitted other irrelevant columns). I know that way of threading, Gnus can do it in a similar way. This is not to say the problem can't be overcome or mitigated. I'm just saying it's not as easy as it seems, and I'm glad for not being the one who has to come out with a perfect solution. :) I think we have different opinions about what is "the problem" we are discussing. To me, the problem is not that any column is not wide enough for it's content or that I can't see enough information. I don't care if the subject is repeated multiple times, although that's wasted space. But I don't want the first column to get wider all the time when the thread is expanded. There's no reason for that, because a) I can read the subject perfectly in the first message of the thread, even if it's very long. b) TB *always* widens the column, even if the subject is very short. But by widening the column, other columns to the right are immediately out of screen. That's my problem, not anything that's displayed in the columns. Oliver Sturm -- Always proofread carefully in case you something out. -- Oliver Sturm / [EMAIL PROTECTED] Key ID: 71D86996 Fingerprint: 8085 5C52 60B8 EFBD DAD0 78B8 CE7F 38D7 71D8 6996 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Column width with threading
Hi Ming-Li, On Saturday, September 23, 2000 at 5:52:42 PM you wrote: I think we have different opinions about what is "the problem" we are discussing. [...] I don't want the first column to get wider all the time when the thread is expanded. There's no reason for that, because a) I can read the subject perfectly in the first message of the thread, even if it's very long. b) TB *always* widens the column, even if the subject is very short. I understand your problem and I thought I answered in the second part. Too bad I didn't make it clear. Maybe you did and I didn't understand, sorry. As I tried to explain, the first column isn't always the subject column, and is the "Message Flag" column by default. In such cases, the intended information (the message flag, and the threading facilities) would be soon pushed out of bound if it's not widen automatically. Is that true (meaning the message flag being first column by default)? Try my settings, then, you'll see the most ridiculous thread layout. I have set threads to be viewed by references. Additionally, I'm sorting by the field "Created", ascending (meaning the newest messages at the bottom of the list). Usually, my first column is the subject. Now move the message flag column to the absolute left, taking position from the subject. Expand this (quite long) thread some levels. Is it only me, or does the column even change width now, with the little envelope all over the place? As I said, it's not something undoable. There could be options (for fixing the column width), or TB could try to detect if Subject is the first column. I'm merely trying to say it's more complicated for it has other factors to consider, and TB doesn't do this "for no reason". The main problem, taking into account the issue above, is that those usual grid/treeview controls can display the hierarchy lines in only one column at a time. So, even if one could keep the first column from resizing, this would only look nice if the column's original width is large enough to accommodate at least some levels of "line structure". Anyway, as they probably don't use a "standard" listview for the message list, they might be able to do something about it. Oliver Sturm -- Always proofread carefully in case you something out. -- Oliver Sturm / [EMAIL PROTECTED] Key ID: 71D86996 Fingerprint: 8085 5C52 60B8 EFBD DAD0 78B8 CE7F 38D7 71D8 6996 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
S/MIME
Hi there, I suppose I haven't read all the message that certainly popped up on this topic already, sorry. Anyway, here are some questions: - S/MIME is for encrypting and signing mail, isn't it? What does it do that PGP doesn't? - Doesn't it work only with certificates from some special certification authority? Costing lots of money? Why would I use that (considering it's not in any wide-spread use, IMHO)? - Where in the new TB versions will I find any button, edit field, label or whatever relating to S/MIME? Thanks! Oliver Sturm -- God is real, unless declared integer. -- Oliver Sturm / [EMAIL PROTECTED] Key ID: 71D86996 Fingerprint: 8085 5C52 60B8 EFBD DAD0 78B8 CE7F 38D7 71D8 6996 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: S/MIME
Hi Gerd Ewald, On Saturday, September 23, 2000 at 11:37:11 PM you wrote: - Where in the new TB versions will I find any button, edit field, label or whatever relating to S/MIME? For example: in TB: Account.Properties.Options: Enable S/MIME in mail editor: Privacynable S/MIME in Adress Book: any entry, Properties.Certificate in Adress Book: Trusted Root CA and Intermediate CA Hey, thanks for those! I hadn't seen a single one of them by now :-) Just an idea, RIT... how about *telling* people about those supposedly superb new features when there are some? What I really wonder about is... I hear people telling me PGP is so difficult to use that "normal" users often don't do it because they don't understand it. As I get it, S/MIME is a much newer idea. Do they really think someone knows/is at all interested in what a "trusted root CA" and all those other thingies is/are? Funny... Oliver Sturm -- I prefer using the door instead of the Windows... -- Oliver Sturm / [EMAIL PROTECTED] Key ID: 71D86996 Fingerprint: 8085 5C52 60B8 EFBD DAD0 78B8 CE7F 38D7 71D8 6996 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: S/MIME
Hi A. Curtis Martin, On Saturday, September 23, 2000 at 11:58:31 PM you wrote: OS - Doesn't it work only with certificates from some special OS certification authority? Costing lots of money? Why would I use that OS (considering it's not in any wide-spread use, IMHO)? If you're already using PGP, there's no real need to use it. Some may trust your signature more, if you have a S/MIME certificate certified by a certification authority. The PGP web of trust and upheld policy to not wantonly sign certificates as valid unless the other party is sure makes PGP's certification approach if not exceed that of S/MIME. I think it's even good for PGP that two business partners can have theirkeys signed by someone they both trust. That whole certificate authority thing has too much of a centralized organization to me. With respect to cosy, it doesn't cost anything to be certified provided that you find an authorised Notary. If not then at Thawte, you need to pay US$25 and send proof of your identity by mail before you can get certified. I heard that wasn't even a one-time fine, but something you had to pay regularly? And is that the same cost for personal and commercial use? Anyway, if there's an advantage to S/MIME, it might be that I can trust someone's key if it's signed by a known authority. With PGP, there's a lot of hassle to get my own key signed by some folks who are widely-known, and there still might be someone who doesn't trust it, anyway. Personally, I don't usually exchange encrypted mail with people I don't know, but if I did, I'd be grateful for a central authority. A notary (is that the word for that kind of lawyer?) wouldn't be the same, either. Oliver Sturm -- %make love Make: Don't know how to make love. Stop. -- Oliver Sturm / [EMAIL PROTECTED] Key ID: 71D86996 Fingerprint: 8085 5C52 60B8 EFBD DAD0 78B8 CE7F 38D7 71D8 6996 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Column width with threading
Hi Ming-Li, On Thursday, September 21, 2000 at 3:13:07 PM you wrote: I'm just replying to the last message in the thread here, not to Ming-Li personally. I know neither Agent's nor XNews's way of doing things, and I'm in fact quite satisfied with TB's way of visualising threading (the threading itself is not so good). The only thing is, I don't understand where the idea comes from to destroy my screen layout when I read some message, be it at the top or the bottom of a thread. So, the visual representation would be fine for me if the column simply kept it's size (which, to repeat myself, I can set manually by the pixel). I have a 1280 screen width and my first column is really wide, to view even long subjects and also those on a deeper threading level. But it shouldn't be resizing all the time! I don't know if this is even intended behaviour, because I can't see what should be good about this. Oliver Sturm -- %make love Make: Don't know how to make love. Stop. -- Oliver Sturm / [EMAIL PROTECTED] Key ID: 71D86996 Fingerprint: 8085 5C52 60B8 EFBD DAD0 78B8 CE7F 38D7 71D8 6996 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: RFC gurus? TB trashes attachments
Hello Syafril, Tuesday, September 19, 2000, 3:56:16 AM, you wrote: Responding to your article on Tuesday, September 19, 2000 at 19:49:26 GMT +0200 (which was 19/09/2000 0:49 GMT +0700 my Local Time) : I just noticed... When I am at GMT +2 and you are at GMT +7, shouldn't your local time be 20/09/2000 0:49? I mean, the 20th of September instead of the 19th. Best regards, Olivermailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Column width with threading
Hi Ming-Li, On Wednesday, September 20, 2000 at 12:36:40 AM you wrote: somehow I didn't notice this before, but I don't like it: I have the message list configured with the subject as the first column and threading active. Now, every time I expand a thread (or sub-thread), the subject column width increases by some pixels. I have some other columns to the right of that which I can see well when no thread is expanded. But as soon as I get two levels deep, I can't see the rightmost column any more because it's out of the screen to the right. It's because TB needs the extra space to accommodate the "plus" signs and dotted lines that visualize the relationship of a thread. Yes, but (acting like a pure user) that's only the column's content to me. The column doesn't expand width when the subject is long, so why should it expand when there's a plus? Is that new or why didn't I notice it before? It's been ever since I started using TB a few months ago. I don't like it, either, but so far I haven't got any better idea. That's simple: stop the grid from resizing the column on expansion. Or, internally *reduce* width after expansion of the plus. Did you ever submit that as a bug? It's a bug to me... after all, you can even configure the exact width of columns by pixels (whatever that should be good for), just to have them scroll out of view when reading threaded mail. Oliver Sturm -- % ar m God ar: God does not exist -- Oliver Sturm / [EMAIL PROTECTED] Key ID: 71D86996 Fingerprint: 8085 5C52 60B8 EFBD DAD0 78B8 CE7F 38D7 71D8 6996 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: RFC gurus? TB trashes attachments
Hi Tony Boom, On Wednesday, September 20, 2000 at 8:59:42 PM you wrote: OS I just noticed... When I am at GMT +2 and you are at GMT +7, shouldn't OS your local time be 20/09/2000 0:49? I mean, the 20th of September OS instead of the 19th. I personally have never noticed it. It just seems odd that two people have noticed it at the same time. Yes. I just happened to re-read that message by Syafril while staring idly at the screen ;) Oliver Sturm -- Who is General Failure and why is he reading my disk? -- Oliver Sturm / [EMAIL PROTECTED] Key ID: 71D86996 Fingerprint: 8085 5C52 60B8 EFBD DAD0 78B8 CE7F 38D7 71D8 6996 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: RFC gurus? TB trashes attachments
Hello Syafril, Tuesday, September 19, 2000, 3:56:16 AM, you wrote: But starting from 1.45/SMIME this problem has been fixed (I didn't test 1.45 without S/MIME). Suggestion, try to use 1.45/SMIME, see the result. It's considered beta, isn't it? I usually have nothing against beta testing, but not on my 200MB mail base, sorry... I've submitted it as a bug report and as the issue is rather clear to see once you find the RFC, I hope it will be fixed in the next version. Best regards, Olivermailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: RFC gurus? TB trashes attachments
Hello Syafril, Tuesday, September 19, 2000, 11:09:05 AM, you wrote: OS I usually have nothing against beta testing, but not on my OS 200MB mail base, sorry... I've submitted it as a bug report OS and as the issue is rather clear to see once you find the RFC, OS I hope it will be fixed in the next version. I am supporting you, but I didn't see the copy on TBUDL list (?) Does a bug report have to be supported by anyone? Anyway, I thought the issue had been discussed enough, sorry. I don't have the bug report available right now, but I'll send a copy to the list later. Best regards, Olivermailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: RFC gurus? TB trashes attachments
Hello Thomas, Tuesday, September 19, 2000, 9:49:51 AM, you wrote: Jusat FYI, the "next" version, 1.46c, is available on all servers. Is it? I didn't see any announcement. I'll have another try with that version. Best regards, Olivermailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Column width with threading
Hi there, somehow I didn't notice this before, but I don't like it: I have the message list configured with the subject as the first column and threading active. Now, every time I expand a thread (or sub-thread), the subject column width increases by some pixels. I have some other columns to the right of that which I can see well when no thread is expanded. But as soon as I get two levels deep, I can't see the rightmost column any more because it's out of the screen to the right. Can I do anything about that? Is that new or why didn't I notice it before? Thanks! Oliver Sturm -- $ cat "can of food" cat: cannot open can of food -- Oliver Sturm / [EMAIL PROTECTED] Key ID: 71D86996 Fingerprint: 8085 5C52 60B8 EFBD DAD0 78B8 CE7F 38D7 71D8 6996 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: RFC gurus? TB trashes attachments
Hello Syafril, Monday, September 18, 2000, 11:16:03 AM, you wrote: I just trying some combination (RTF + MIME), (RTF+QP), use Word as Email Editor, but no problem. IIRC, I got such problem when I testing Trend Micro E-mail Firewall long time ago, that's why I was asking any FireWall antivirus related. There's no firewall anti-virus solution in use. The mails in question can be viewed if I use the "dispatch on server" window and it can also be received without problems with Netscape mailer. I think it has to do with TB's special behaviour with attachments, I don't know any other mailer that extracts all attachments immediately after receiving the message. IMHO, there are two separate problems here: - The sending mailer inserts the complete path to the attached file into the MIME info. I still don't know if this is generally valid at all. If it isn't, they might be using an old version of their mailer or it's a new bug. - TB doesn't like that complete path at all (as I said, the filename is mangled in the "dispatch on server" functions, too) and trashes the file. That's certainly a bug. I haven't had time to do much testing, especially on the second issue. One should be able to construct a message containing a MIME attachment, but with the complete path for the file. If that mail is received by TB, the attachment will be trashed, I think. Best regards, Olivermailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Deleting messages and spacebarring through 'em
Hello Karin, Monday, September 18, 2000, 2:37:12 PM, you wrote: This means that when reading mail I have to double-click individual messages in order to be able to read them, which is fine with me. The only thing that I miss is the option from _within_ a message to delete it, so that I automatically navigate to the next unread message in the thread. In my folder window, there's a menu entry Navigation/Delete and follow next, even with a keyboard shortcut. Does that do what you want? And: I have sorted my TB messages by thread. When I go through them using spacebar somehow I don't get them in threaded order: I sem to randomly go from the one message to the other. I probably make some kind of mistake but I have no clue which one. There are several version of "threading" selectable from "View/View threads by". Also, you have to use the sort order (e.g. Created sorted ascending) to get it halfway right. Why TB still doesn't thread as correct as Netscape does has been subject of many discussions, but is still an open topic, IIRC. Best regards, Olivermailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org [ attachment has been remove by MDaemon ]
Re[2]: RFC gurus? TB trashes attachments
Hello Syafril, Monday, September 18, 2000, 3:37:52 PM, you wrote: I am curios, in all of my test here, it always have message header : X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: [EMAIL PROTECTED] while your sample message not. This cause TB! can not interpretation well, and fail to decode. No, the mails I've been receiving don't have that header. I just checked and saw that I copied all headers apart from the addressing and path information to my original message at the start of the thread. I'll try to reproduce the problem with another mail tonight. I'll tell you more when I did that. Best regards, Olivermailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org [ attachment has been remove by MDaemon ]
Re: RFC gurus? TB trashes attachments
I hope the TBUDL list server isn't going to insert lots of funny stuff in the following text again... You are subscribed as : [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ attachment has been remove by MDaemon ] Now this is getting always better. Now that list server killed at least half of my message! Great, I must say. Just in case anyone's interested enough... I'll put the file on the web, so you can have a look. Give me five minutes, though... http://www.oliver-sturm.de/testmail.txt Oliver Sturm -- %make love Make: Don't know how to make love. Stop. -- Oliver Sturm / [EMAIL PROTECTED] Key ID: 71D86996 Fingerprint: 8085 5C52 60B8 EFBD DAD0 78B8 CE7F 38D7 71D8 6996 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org [ attachment has been remove by MDaemon ]
Re: RFC gurus? TB trashes attachments
On Monday, September 18, 2000 at 7:21:46 PM you wrote: Yet another followup: I have solved the question whose fault the problem is... it's in fact TB. Here's a snippet from the paragraph on the filename parameter from RFC 2183 about "Content-Disposition": snip 2.3 The Filename Parameter The sender may want to suggest a filename to be used if the entity is detached and stored in a separate file. If the receiving MUA writes the entity to a file, the suggested filename should be used as a basis for the actual filename, where possible. It is important that the receiving MUA not blindly use the suggested filename. The suggested filename SHOULD be checked (and possibly changed) to see that it conforms to local filesystem conventions, does not overwrite an existing file, and does not present a security problem (see Security Considerations below). The receiving MUA SHOULD NOT respect any directory path information that may seem to be present in the filename parameter. The filename should be treated as a terminal component only. Portable specification of directory paths might possibly be done in the future via a separate Content-Disposition parameter, but no provision is made for it in this draft. snip As you can see, the RFC clearly states that the MUA should not respect any directory information given in the file name, thereby implying that this path information itself is not forbidden in the parameter. I'll write this up and submit a bug report to RITLABS. Oliver Sturm -- Always proofread carefully in case you something out. -- Oliver Sturm / [EMAIL PROTECTED] Key ID: 71D86996 Fingerprint: 8085 5C52 60B8 EFBD DAD0 78B8 CE7F 38D7 71D8 6996 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org [ attachment has been remove by MDaemon ]
Re: New user, lotsa questions
Hi Karin Spaink, On Sunday, September 17, 2000 at 12:29:40 AM you wrote: 1. If you move your cursor down in the window in which you are editing your mail (e.g. move it down to the next empty line), it goes down but stays in the same column (read: horizontal axis) and doesn't go to the beginning of the line or the last words in it, as it should (since the space after the last words is empty and not filled with trailing spaces). Is this a bug, or a feature that can be turned off? There's been a lot of discussion about this over time, and yes it's a feature, but no, it can't be turned off now. It's promised for V2, IIRC. 2. The tab. When I have "auto-format" on - I want to, I like it, I need it because I rewrite a lot - I can't seem to add a new parapraph to a section.Nor can I end a paragraph, give a tab for indent, and continue: (example: this). See? The Bat's editor automatically purges the carriage return and moves the "tabthis" (see above) back to the end of the previous line. Lots of discussion here, too. The current workaround suggested by some is to turn auto-format/wrap functions on and off while typing using the keyboard shortcuts. The current function works on the assumption that a new paragraph is started after an empty line. Or look at my garbled .sig: I can't seem to start on a new bit of the quoted conversation on a new line; only when I add a blank line. As long as you don't edit your .sig manually, it shouldn't be touched by the formatting functions. 3. How do you make your cookie-entries wrap? Insert "\n" (without the quotes) in the places where it should wrap. 4. Although The Bat claims to have "HTML auto view" and while I have Options -- HTML auto view on, I get to see all the html-mail as plain text, tags included. There is no informationto be found in the FAQ nor in the help file. Actually, HTML is not mentioned in the help file at all -- except in the description of the new features of the update to The Bat. Has always worked for me in the rare instances I've used it ;) 5. When will the developpers add proportional fonts? I _hate_ proportional. Suddenly my mail looks ugly.(Yes, I saw the workaround in the FAQ, and I might try it, but I like Arial best). I still hope never. But probably in V2, IIRC. 6. Why isn't the "Find" utility listed under the Tools menu? As of now, one can only find it in the Icon toolbar. It's in Tools/Search, isn't it? 7. I'd like to be able to tell The Bat to automatically focus on my Inbox when new mail has arrived. yes, it's a Eudora habit ;-) It won't, AFAIK. For the rest, I am quite impressed. And I'm sure I'll have more questions while I proceed to explore The Bat. Just keep going ;-) Oliver Sturm -- Who is General Failure and why is he reading my disk? -- Oliver Sturm / [EMAIL PROTECTED] Key ID: 71D86996 Fingerprint: 8085 5C52 60B8 EFBD DAD0 78B8 CE7F 38D7 71D8 6996 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
RFC gurus? TB trashes attachments
Hi there,
I received some messages recently created with a version of Outlook.
They contained one attachment each (an RTF-file) with the content type
application/msword. Funny enough, TB trashed the attachment
immediately as the mails hit the mailbox. Only because I knew there
had to be one, I was able to open the mail directly on the server the
second time and save away the source.
Here are some relevant parts (I can't forward the whole thing, because
that was registration information in those attachments):
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MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/mixed;
boundary="=_NextPart_000_0053_01C01EAD.8238A620"
X-Priority: 3 (Normal)
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0)
Importance: Normal
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400
This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
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--=_NextPart_000_0053_01C01EAD.8238A620
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
--=_NextPart_000_0053_01C01EAD.8238A620
Content-Type: application/msword;
name="C:\Files\Docs\RegInfo1.rtf"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Content-Disposition: attachment;
filename="C:\Files\Docs\RegInfo1.rtf"
{\rtf1\ansi\deff0
{\fonttbl{\f0\froman\fcharset0 Times New Roman;}{\f1\fnil\fcharset0 =
--[ rest of RTF file cut ]
--=_NextPart_000_0053_01C01EAD.8238A620--
--- snip -
The interesting thing is IMHO that the whole path to the file that was
originally attached is mentioned in the "name" and "filename" tags.
But TB should definitely not be deleting the thing unseen just because
of a little compliance problem... What's more, I was able to open the
same mail directly from the server (dispatch mail on server ...) and
the attachment was visible. It was shown by the name of
"C:FilesDocsRegInfo1.rtf", though.
Questions are: Is the format used in that mail even RFC-compliant? Even
if it's not, do you agree it's still in bug in TB?
Thanks!
Oliver Sturm
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Re: RFC gurus? TB trashes attachments
I just found that in the middle of my message text there is the following line, obviously created by the list server somehow. Maybe also a bug? Of course the following line wasn't in the original messages: You are subscribed as : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Oliver Sturm -- This Virus requires Microsoft Windows. -- Oliver Sturm / [EMAIL PROTECTED] Key ID: 71D86996 Fingerprint: 8085 5C52 60B8 EFBD DAD0 78B8 CE7F 38D7 71D8 6996 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: RFC gurus? TB trashes attachments
Hi John Sullivan, On Friday, September 15, 2000 at 9:29:18 PM you wrote: (So a bug in the MIME handling of the server, but you can see why it's there: the server wants to know *quickly* where the message ends, without completely parsing the mail, otherwise it becomes a serious delivery bottleneck.) OK. Still funny that the paragraph which is always added at the end is right there in place. Oliver Sturm -- % \(- (-: Command not found. -- Oliver Sturm / [EMAIL PROTECTED] Key ID: 71D86996 Fingerprint: 8085 5C52 60B8 EFBD DAD0 78B8 CE7F 38D7 71D8 6996 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: SOT: Gaping hole in NAI PGP
Hi Deryk Lister, On Saturday, August 26, 2000 at 1:12:49 AM you wrote: If I understand this right, it basically makes PGP almost completely worthless. A public key can be tweaked whilst keeping the fingerprint the same, and then re-uploaded to the keyservers or handed out to others on your behalf. If someone sends mail to this tweaked key, you can still decode it - but so can the cracker! There's not a lot you can do about it; all keys made with Nai's PGP 5 or greater have this flaw. That's nonsense, sorry. The bug is only related to the ADK-technology in those PGP versions. That's a technology that enables, say, the boss of a company to create custom keys for his employees while retaining a second key (or backdoor) for himself. This (intended) functionality is somehow flawed, hence the vulnerability. This doesn't in any way at all effect the effectiveness of PGP encryption in any single-user day-to-day use. I'm citing the article from BUGTRAQ, which contains some links about the issue. From [EMAIL PROTECTED]: In case you have not heard there is a serious bug in some versions of PGP related to additonal decryption keys (ADK). For more information look at John Young's site which details some of this: http://cryptome.org/pgp-badbug.htm Quoting from an email on the site: "Tested versions of PGP: PGP-2.6.3ia UNIX (not vulnerable - doesn't support V4 signatures) PGP-5.0i UNIX (not vulnerable) PGP-5.5.3i WINDOWS (VULNERABLE) PGP-6.5.1i WINDOWS (VULNERABLE) GnuPG-1.0.1 UNIX (not vulnerable)" A paper detailing an aspect of the vulnerability is written by Ralf Senderek: http://senderek.de/security/key-experiments.html and his student Stephen Early [EMAIL PROTECTED] seems to have worked on detailing this vulnerability as well on the ukcrypto mailing list. Oliver Sturm -- % \(- (-: Command not found. -- Oliver Sturm / [EMAIL PROTECTED] Key ID: 71D86996 Fingerprint: 8085 5C52 60B8 EFBD DAD0 78B8 CE7F 38D7 71D8 6996 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: SOT: Gaping hole in NAI PGP
Hi Oliver Sturm, ;) On Saturday, August 26, 2000 at 1:28:28 AM you wrote: That's nonsense, sorry. The bug is only related to the ADK-technology in those PGP versions. That's a technology that enables, say, the boss of a company to create custom keys for his employees while retaining a second key (or backdoor) for himself. This (intended) functionality is somehow flawed, hence the vulnerability. This doesn't in any way at all effect the effectiveness of PGP encryption in any single-user day-to-day use. I'm citing the article from BUGTRAQ, which contains some links about the issue. OK, I was obviously slightly mistaken on some parts of this. It might actually be possible to read someone else's email exploiting this bug. Still seems highly surrealistic to me, I just wanted to follow up to correct my bold statement. Oliver Sturm -- %make love Make: Don't know how to make love. Stop. -- Oliver Sturm / [EMAIL PROTECTED] Key ID: 71D86996 Fingerprint: 8085 5C52 60B8 EFBD DAD0 78B8 CE7F 38D7 71D8 6996 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: SOT: Gaping hole in NAI PGP
Hi Oliver Sturm, Following myself up a last time ;) On Saturday, August 26, 2000 at 1:37:36 AM you wrote: If you are very interested in this issue, read http://www.pgp.com/other/advisories/adk.asp Seems like NAI tries to be real fast for a change ;) Oliver Sturm -- Linux: The Ultimate NT Service Pack -- Oliver Sturm / [EMAIL PROTECTED] Key ID: 71D86996 Fingerprint: 8085 5C52 60B8 EFBD DAD0 78B8 CE7F 38D7 71D8 6996 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Gaping hole in NAI PGP
Hi A. Curtis Martin, On Saturday, August 26, 2000 at 1:49:48 AM you wrote: I got the impression that the hole is created with the key generation and that to eliminate the potential problem we'd have to upgrade as well as generate new keys. Read http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2000-18.html, that's the best explanation I've seen. Oliver Sturm -- Linux: The Ultimate NT Service Pack -- Oliver Sturm / [EMAIL PROTECTED] Key ID: 71D86996 Fingerprint: 8085 5C52 60B8 EFBD DAD0 78B8 CE7F 38D7 71D8 6996 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
System default mailer
Hi there,
sometime ago, I was able to set The Bat! as the system default mailer
in the Internet Explorer Options dialog. Now, TB doesn't appear in
that drop down list any longer. How can I get it in there again,
please?
Thanks!
Oliver Sturm
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Re: Mail ticker
Hi Curtis, On Thursday, August 10, 2000 at 11:26:22 PM you wrote: OS OK now, same question as always: Is anyone from RITLABS listening in OS on their own product's mailing list or should I submit this stuff as OS a formal feature request? They do read the list but since the list has been so busy and filled with long argumentative threads they may just miss your feature request. I suggest you send it separately to Ritlabs. OK, I did that. Forgot to cc it to the list, though ;) Anyway, it tries to be a condensed version of what was discussed. Oliver Sturm -- % ar m God ar: God does not exist -- Oliver Sturm / [EMAIL PROTECTED] Key ID: 71D86996 Fingerprint: 8085 5C52 60B8 EFBD DAD0 78B8 CE7F 38D7 71D8 6996 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Effective Immediately
Hi Deryk Lister, On Thursday, August 10, 2000 at 9:44:06 PM you wrote: Hi Joe, On Thursday 10/08/2000 at 20:27, you wrote: snip I think the program is arbitrarily inserting that quote code "" in there, but I can't figure out why. It's not a quote, and I don't think Leif typed that "". So why do these things keep popping up in so many of my messages? Odd, it doesn't appear on mine, and I haven't seen it do so yet... I had that special "", although I don't recall having seen too many of those before. Oliver Sturm -- % ar m God ar: God does not exist -- Oliver Sturm / [EMAIL PROTECTED] Key ID: 71D86996 Fingerprint: 8085 5C52 60B8 EFBD DAD0 78B8 CE7F 38D7 71D8 6996 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Mail ticker
Hi there,
I got myself cheaper internet access at last and I'm using the mail
ticker now, set to "Show automatically". Question:
Sometimes the mail ticker suddenly appears showing some new mail. Of
course I have my folders configured so I only see the more interesting
mail in the ticker. But every now and then I'd like to tell the ticker
"go away now with those five messages", because I can already
recognize they are not so exciting after all. I _don't_ want them
marked read immediately (which requires several actions on my part,
anyway), I want them only to disappear. I can hide the ticker, but
then it won't appear again at all until I set it to "Show
automatically" again. Any ideas?
Thanks!
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Re[2]: Mail ticker
Hi Markus Gloede, On Wednesday, August 09, 2000 at 5:16:41 PM you wrote: I create unread copies of such mails to a special folder (labeled TODO) and mark the original mails as read in their respective folders. The TODO folder has the "Don't Show Unread Messages in Mail Ticker" set. The ticker goes away and a blue TODO with a bold number next to it tells me that there are still messages to be dealt with. After having dealt with a message I simply delete it from the TODO folder. Of course, if you have specific folder settings where the originals are kept this won't work. I filter nearly all my mail to different folders, so that system would be quite difficult to establish... What's more, I'd still have to mark the messages showing up in the ticker read. That's quite a lot of action: - Doubleclick the ticker or use the hotkey to show the ticker messages. - Mark them all and make them read. Or is there a very simple way to do this which I might have overlooked? Maybe I should make a feature proposal out of this, something like a "seen in ticker"-flag for messages plus a hotkey to mark all messages currently visible in the ticker "seen". That way, messages could disappear from the ticker without being marked read and without creating copies. Oliver Sturm -- I prefer using the door instead of the Windows... -- Oliver Sturm / [EMAIL PROTECTED] Key ID: 71D86996 Fingerprint: 8085 5C52 60B8 EFBD DAD0 78B8 CE7F 38D7 71D8 6996 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[3]: text editor to remove duplicate lines?
Hi Jamie Dainton,
On Wednesday, August 02, 2000 at 9:32:56 PM you wrote:
do you by any chance know of any txt editor which can remove identical lines?
i have got a list of addresses which i joined from 5 other txts and it
came to some 5000 k and about 4 identical lines of each
SL The GNU text utils would work wonders here.
SL type file | sort | uniq file.new
SL Sort will put them all in order and then uniq will return only a single
SL occurance of any repeating line.
It's time to get your copy of C++ or Pascal out. Ultraedit won't cut
it and I've never used GNU text editing tools. I'll have a look into
it, if I think it'll take less than an hour or three I'll have a go. Just
please don't expect miracles. I'm usually reasonably busy.
Well, here's a piece of Perl code that does the same thing. Tell me if you
get the C++ version any shorter ;)
@lines = ;
foreach $line (sort @lines) {
push (@uniquelines, $line) unless $seen{$line}++;
}
print @uniquelines;
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Re[2]: Bulk mail export
Hi Ming-Li, On Friday, August 04, 2000 at 4:13:19 PM you wrote: You may use the "Message Finder" tool to pull messages in different folders (even different accounts) together in a "virtual folder". Unfortunately, you can't export from the virtual folder. Thanks for that idea, I didn't know the message finder could do more than find messages ;) I saw it can also copy found mail into another folder, so that's certainly a way by using a temporary folder. Oliver Sturm -- I prefer using the door instead of the Windows... -- Oliver Sturm / [EMAIL PROTECTED] Key ID: 71D86996 Fingerprint: 8085 5C52 60B8 EFBD DAD0 78B8 CE7F 38D7 71D8 6996 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Bulk mail export
Hi there, I have seldom done that before... The problem is I want to export a lot of my mail in one go. I have lots of different folders, which I'd like to export. Can I somehow trigger the export for all folders at once? I'm doing the export in Unix MBOX format to use that as a mail archive to view with Gnus. Gnus can do real threading on that mail as far as possible, so I'd also like to "combine" folders by adding my own sent messages into the threads in the right places. I don't have much hope, but can anyone suggest a way of doing that? Just to make myself clear: Say I have a folder called "Harry" for all the mail I receive from my friend Harry. There are messages in there which once belonged to the same conversation with Harry. There might be the root message of a thread "Summer holiday" and several "Re: Summer holiday" messages from Harry. To view the complete thread, it would be necessary to add all messages I ever _sent_ to Harry into the same export file. Thanks! Oliver Sturm -- Linux: The Ultimate NT Service Pack -- Oliver Sturm / [EMAIL PROTECTED] Key ID: 71D86996 Fingerprint: 8085 5C52 60B8 EFBD DAD0 78B8 CE7F 38D7 71D8 6996 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Arghhh. Mail dispatcher
Hello Jamie, Tuesday, August 01, 2000, 11:51:07 AM, you wrote: JDB Hello TBUDL, JDB How do I display the screen shown in the gif JDB http://www.ritlabs.com/the_bat/mail_dispatcher.gif JDB It's been driving me mad. I'm sure I've looked in every menu now and JDB have had to admit defeat. Please someone put me out of my misery. Account/Dispatch Mail on server/Whatever Context menu/Show Full header Best regards, Olivermailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Three weeks of mail--gone!
Hi Mitch Wagner, On Friday, July 14, 2000 at 7:54:09 PM you wrote: I am running The Bat! version 1.44 on Windows 98. Try using NT or Win2k and buy a UPS to reduce the probability significantly. Oliver Sturm -- I prefer using the door instead of the Windows... -- Oliver Sturm / [EMAIL PROTECTED] Key ID: 71D86996 Fingerprint: 8085 5C52 60B8 EFBD DAD0 78B8 CE7F 38D7 71D8 6996 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[3]: Three weeks of mail--gone!
Hi Mitch Wagner, On Friday, July 14, 2000 at 10:59:32 PM you wrote: Thanks, but changing the OS is not an option; I'm running this on a corporate system. Well, IMO there's nothing in this world that makes Win98 run smoothly and undisturbed under all circumstances. Same goes for NT (probably for any OS if you take it seriously), but it's much (ahem, _MUCH_) more stable. Anyway, defragging your drives regularly and making sure you have more RAM than you need most of the time will certainly do good. As to the power supply, I don't think that was the problem--it was a system freeze-up, it wasn't a case of losing power. Cases of nearly-losing power can cause effects like what you described. We've had that on database systems which even continued running, but was losing data nevertheless due to sub-optimal power supply. Oliver Sturm -- %make love Make: Don't know how to make love. Stop. -- Oliver Sturm / [EMAIL PROTECTED] Key ID: 71D86996 Fingerprint: 8085 5C52 60B8 EFBD DAD0 78B8 CE7F 38D7 71D8 6996 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[3]: PGP 6.5.3 and importing keys
Hi Alexander A. Gomanyuk, On Wednesday, May 17, 2000 at 5:23:29 AM you wrote: Yes, that's not very new to me. The automatisms in TB for PGP have never really worked for me... I was happy to notice that signature checking started working again at all two or three versions ago. Yes, PGP plug-in is very weak place of The Bat. May be 2.0 will make us happy in hat sense :) I wouldn't say it's a weak point... I've developed an app with the PGP SDK myself, and I must say that's a candidate for the worst-api-available-competition. So I'm hesitant to say it's a weak point. Maybe they should think about dropping support for so many different versions. AFAIK, everyone can get an up-to-date PGP version on the net for nothing, so there aren't many reasons why one would stay with an old version for long. Just IMHO, of course. Oliver Sturm -- Always proofread carefully in case you something out. -- Oliver Sturm / [EMAIL PROTECTED] Key ID: 71D86996 Fingerprint: 8085 5C52 60B8 EFBD DAD0 78B8 CE7F 38D7 71D8 6996 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: PGP 6.5.3 and importing keys
Hi Allie Martin, On Tuesday, May 16, 2000 at 10:58:29 AM you wrote: Hi, I'm having trouble importing keys that are pasted into messages. When I select Specials | Import key, nothing happens. In fact, what I have to do is select Specials | Check digital signature. When it checks the signature, it also imports the key at that point. However, if the key is sent without a PGP signature then nothing happens when I try to import the public key and I'm stuck. I'm using version 6.5.3. Anyone else noted this problem? Yes, that's not very new to me. The automatisms in TB for PGP have never really worked for me... I was happy to notice that signature checking started working again at all two or three versions ago. Oliver Sturm -- % ar m God ar: God does not exist -- Oliver Sturm / [EMAIL PROTECTED] Key ID: 71D86996 Fingerprint: 8085 5C52 60B8 EFBD DAD0 78B8 CE7F 38D7 71D8 6996 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Why is thebat.exe from tb142f.zip so big?
Hi Allie Martin, On Saturday, May 13, 2000 at 1:45:04 PM you wrote: Netcaptor sent me their registered software via e-mail once. It ended up being deleted from the server because of my settings. It was interesting that a few days later they began using a link to a restricted download site and celebrated not having to use e-mail to distribute the registered version of their program. Far more user friendly. I can now download it when I wish to and /if/ I wish to. Yes, but I'm talking about customers whom I write programs for. It's their software alone (not of-the-shelf software) and they also pay for getting round-the-clock one-minute-response-time support ;) Though, even when I'm offering software for download... Given the costs of internet connections in germany, most customers would certainly be grateful if downloads are as small as possible. Oliver Sturm -- This Virus requires Microsoft Windows. -- Oliver Sturm / [EMAIL PROTECTED] Key ID: 71D86996 Fingerprint: 8085 5C52 60B8 EFBD DAD0 78B8 CE7F 38D7 71D8 6996 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Why is thebat.exe from tb142f.zip so big?
Hi Steve Lamb,
On Friday, May 12, 2000 at 11:09:55 PM you wrote:
Friday, May 12, 2000, 11:38:45 AM, Oliver wrote:
what tiny program you are trying to write before sending them to
customers via mail. That's one version of user friendliness.
Not sending them via mail would be even more user friendly.
No. Then they'd have to wait for another day to get their diskette and
fiddle around with it, which they can't. Alternatively, they'd have to
go learn how to use other internet services, which they won't.
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Re[2]: Why is thebat.exe from tb142f.zip so big?
Hi Allie Martin, On Saturday, May 13, 2000 at 3:01:00 PM you wrote: The advantage of a download URL is that of control. The recipient may do the download whenever they wish and not have their e-mail flow disturbed by a large attachment. Most e-mail applications do not have an e-mail dispatcher as TB!'s either. I leave everybody her own choice and you won't ever receive an application update from me by mail. But the disadvantages of using download urls are several: - customers might be to plain dumb to do it - customers will destroy their setup of dial-up and internet explorer on a regular basis. If they don't, one of Microsoft's setup programs will do it for them. - customers will tell me several months after the update: "well, I thought I wouldn't _have_ to download the update. If it was so important, why didn't you mail it?" - I still think it's the best of support to initiate actions from my (the developer's) side. It's something else to have a developer take care of my issues without me doing anything. I'd certainly like it if more companies would send updates by mail, at least on request. I couldn't care less about _when_ I download some software. And I'm talking about commercial projects and many-bucks-support contracts, so there are many people who just expect support to be like this. Those are the same people who have the tv repair service get their set from their homes, and of course bring it back, too. Of course I'm talking about _my_ customers and not about all of them, too. This is my experience, partly based on the broad basis of computer knowledge in my society, which is, ahem, low. Oliver Sturm -- God is real, unless declared integer. -- Oliver Sturm / [EMAIL PROTECTED] Key ID: 71D86996 Fingerprint: 8085 5C52 60B8 EFBD DAD0 78B8 CE7F 38D7 71D8 6996 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Why is thebat.exe from tb142f.zip so big?
Hi Steve Lamb, On Friday, May 12, 2000 at 8:06:01 PM you wrote: OK, call me petty-minded if you like, but I don't like wasting CPU cycles if I can avoid it... It's a matter of personal tastes, you know. I'm not calling anyone petty-minded, but just like almost any other technology, it has it's purpose. I frequently compress the multi-megabyte executables which Delphi inevitably creates no matter what tiny program you are trying to write before sending them to customers via mail. That's one version of user friendliness. Oliver Sturm -- Always proofread carefully in case you something out. -- Oliver Sturm / [EMAIL PROTECTED] Key ID: 71D86996 Fingerprint: 8085 5C52 60B8 EFBD DAD0 78B8 CE7F 38D7 71D8 6996 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Lost link associations with 1.42c
Hi Curt,
On Monday, May 08, 2000 at 12:06:17 PM you wrote:
Since the installation of 1.42c,
What the $§% is 1.42c (pardon me ;)
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Re[2]: Flagging?
Hi Steve Lamb, On Sunday, May 07, 2000 at 5:36:28 AM you wrote: The column can be hidden, yes. And it must be hidden on all new folders twice. Not fun. You are aware of that "Use the account default column settings" checkbox, aren't you? Oliver Sturm -- % \(- (-: Command not found. -- Oliver Sturm / [EMAIL PROTECTED] Key ID: 71D86996 Fingerprint: 8085 5C52 60B8 EFBD DAD0 78B8 CE7F 38D7 71D8 6996 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Filtering
Hi there, When using the Alt-Click combination to set a filter in the message list (wasn't there some dialog somewhere to see the settings of the filter in use? I can't find it :-(), I can filter for the from- and to-columns. But what is used is actually the name I can see in the column itself. Some people frequently change their "display name" but of course keep their email address. Is there some way to use the email address instead of the display name? Thanks! Oliver Sturm -- Linux: The Ultimate NT Service Pack -- Oliver Sturm / [EMAIL PROTECTED] Key ID: 71D86996 Fingerprint: 8085 5C52 60B8 EFBD DAD0 78B8 CE7F 38D7 71D8 6996 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Color groups
Hi Allie Martin, On Saturday, May 06, 2000 at 2:55:26 PM you wrote: I like those color groups... Having those, I don't need any flagging. But it doesn't seem like I could use that Ctrl-G keystroke to set some color group instead of the flag. Another thing: There's a (new ?) filter category "replied messages". How can I use that one to set all messages I replied to to some color group, regardless of the folder they are in? Setup the 'replied' filter, making the source and move to folder the same. Yes, but I have maybe fifty folders and I don't want to make one filter for each folder, as every filter would be exactly the same. I always have to use _some_ folder, it seems. Anyway, I tried making a filter that hits always (as I want _every_ replied-to message colored) by leaving all the criteria settings empty. This doesn't work, either. I haven't tried entering "*" or the like, but it seems necessary at least. Oliver Sturm -- $ cat "can of food" cat: cannot open can of food -- Oliver Sturm / [EMAIL PROTECTED] Key ID: 71D86996 Fingerprint: 8085 5C52 60B8 EFBD DAD0 78B8 CE7F 38D7 71D8 6996 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Filtering
Hi Allie Martin, On Saturday, May 06, 2000 at 3:50:05 PM you wrote: It does a simple string matching with the from field and nothing more. No, it doesn't. It does that simple match with the small part of the from-field that's actually _visible_. (BTW, can I configure that anywhere?) If it would use the real content of the from header field, matching the mail address would be possible, too. Oliver Sturm -- This Virus requires Microsoft Windows. -- Oliver Sturm / [EMAIL PROTECTED] Key ID: 71D86996 Fingerprint: 8085 5C52 60B8 EFBD DAD0 78B8 CE7F 38D7 71D8 6996 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[3]: Filtering
Hi SyP, On Saturday, May 06, 2000 at 3:32:11 PM you wrote: S Try View-Display-Advanced Filtering...-Header-Sender's name S contains [EMAIL PROTECTED] Huh, just tried it to be absolutely sure, and it DOESN'T WORK for me! Sorry... It doesn't work at all... there seems to be a bug in this idea ;) I tried it and TB really doesn't find all the messages which have some address in the header. I have around twenty such messages in one folder and it finds only one or two at a time, when setting the filter several times (always resetting it in-between, of course). Oliver Sturm -- Linux: The Ultimate NT Service Pack -- Oliver Sturm / [EMAIL PROTECTED] Key ID: 71D86996 Fingerprint: 8085 5C52 60B8 EFBD DAD0 78B8 CE7F 38D7 71D8 6996 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Filtering
Hi Allie Martin,
On Saturday, May 06, 2000 at 6:18:01 PM you wrote:
Well, this is not how it works in essence. It does a very simple match of
what is displayed in the field. Use the search applet for doing searches
to your specialised need.
Then I'm going to propose it should work that way. As I said, I
receive a lot of mail from people who seem to use some kind of
display-name-of-the-day scheme. There's some intelligence in TB
regarding the selection, e.g. when I click on the message size, it
shows me all messages that have the same size in KB.
I think the feature itself is a little useless how it works now. The
subject, from and to are the only fields I'd like to filter for. The
subject I don't ever use in practice, because I use threaded view. And
the from and to don't work reliably.
So, if nobody has an Even Much Better Idea (tm), I'll submit this as a
feature request.
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Flagging?
Hi there, What's that new flagging function for? Thanks! Oliver Sturm -- Always proofread carefully in case you something out. -- Oliver Sturm / [EMAIL PROTECTED] Key ID: 71D86996 Fingerprint: 8085 5C52 60B8 EFBD DAD0 78B8 CE7F 38D7 71D8 6996 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Flagging?
Hi SyP, On Friday, May 05, 2000 at 9:06:14 PM you wrote: OS Hi there, OS What's that new flagging function for? It's for mark a message visually, perhaps because you want to deal with it a later date... Ah. I thought there was some sinister new functionality attached ;) Oliver Sturm -- % ar m God ar: God does not exist -- Oliver Sturm / [EMAIL PROTECTED] Key ID: 71D86996 Fingerprint: 8085 5C52 60B8 EFBD DAD0 78B8 CE7F 38D7 71D8 6996 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
1.42?
Hi there, I'm not on TBBETA, so I'd like to ask here: Does anyone know when 1.42 will be available? I've noticed there must have been at least 17 betas out yet and the announcements for new features looked great. So I'm eagerly waiting ;) Thanks! Oliver Sturm -- Oops, signature error. -- Oliver Sturm / [EMAIL PROTECTED] Key ID: 71D86996 Fingerprint: 8085 5C52 60B8 EFBD DAD0 78B8 CE7F 38D7 71D8 6996 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: 1.42?
Hi Alexander V. Kiselev, On Thursday, April 20, 2000 at 8:06:44 PM you wrote: Hi there! So, stay tuned;-) It's a _different_ Bat;-) I will, certainly. It's just that I don't like using potentially unstable versions for something as important to me as email. Especially the new message base format, which will hopefully be very good, would have kept me from trying it out beforehand. I'm not at all hesitant about that most of the time, but email is really important for me. Thanks for all the answers! Oliver Sturm -- %make love Make: Don't know how to make love. Stop. -- Oliver Sturm / [EMAIL PROTECTED] Key ID: 71D86996 Fingerprint: 8085 5C52 60B8 EFBD DAD0 78B8 CE7F 38D7 71D8 6996 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Printing from Outbox not possible?
Hi Michael Heydekamp, On Tuesday, April 18, 2000 at 6:42:02 PM you wrote: just realized that I was not able to print a message sitting in the outbox (using the print button and the menu command, forgot to check with Ctrl-P). I tried it on 1.41 and it works without problems. Oliver Sturm -- % \(- (-: Command not found. -- Oliver Sturm / [EMAIL PROTECTED] Key ID: 71D86996 Fingerprint: 8085 5C52 60B8 EFBD DAD0 78B8 CE7F 38D7 71D8 6996 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: The Bat! - suggestions
Hi Steve Lamb, On Wednesday, April 12, 2000 at 10:44:34 PM you wrote: I like the idea ;), but what is RFC-2369? Do a yahoo search on RFC and find out. :) I just love those answers ;) Oliver Sturm -- Who is General Failure and why is he reading my disk? -- Oliver Sturm / [EMAIL PROTECTED] Key ID: 71D86996 Fingerprint: 8085 5C52 60B8 EFBD DAD0 78B8 CE7F 38D7 71D8 6996 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - suggestions
Hi Syafril Hermansyah,
On Wednesday, April 12, 2000 at 5:32:14 PM you wrote:
Nowadays, most of list already support RFC-2369 (including this list),
so supporting RFC-2369 very useful.
I like the idea ;), but what is RFC-2369?
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Re[2]: Folder specific quoting style (and other things)?
Hi Marck D. Pearlstone, On Friday, March 17, 2000 at 9:09:21 PM you wrote: as I'd really like to activate "Receipt request" on a person-by-person basis. Am I missing something? See Template Macros: %READCONFIRM - set the Reading Confirmation Request flag for the current message. %RCPTCONFIRM - set the Receipt Request flag for the current message. Thanks, I overlooked those. The quoting style, however, is on a per-account basis. :-( So that one should be a feature request... On some mailing lists with not-too-many people on them I like that style with the initials very much, though it doesn't work nicely with every sender's address. Oliver Sturm -- %make love Make: Don't know how to make love. Stop. -- Oliver Sturm / [EMAIL PROTECTED] Key ID: 71D86996 Fingerprint: 8085 5C52 60B8 EFBD DAD0 78B8 CE7F 38D7 71D8 6996 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Folder specific quoting style (and other things)?
Hi there, When configuring templates for an account, I can set several parameters such as "Receipt request" or the quoting style. It doesn't seem I can do that for templates which are specific to one folder or even to one contact in the address book. That's not good, as I'd really like to activate "Receipt request" on a person-by-person basis. Am I missing something? Thanks! Oliver Sturm -- Linux: The Ultimate NT Service Pack -- Oliver Sturm / [EMAIL PROTECTED] Key ID: 71D86996 Fingerprint: 8085 5C52 60B8 EFBD DAD0 78B8 CE7F 38D7 71D8 6996 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[6]: The Bat! and Big files
Hi Wolfgang Kynast, On Wednesday, February 16, 2000 at 8:34:53 PM you wrote: ... OS Anyway, my original problem is still there... If I have a file of, OS say, 6mb of size, which will encode to around 8mb when attached to OS email, why does transfering those 8mb via TB take much longer than OS transfering another file of 8mb original size via ftp? Because your SMTP server does not provide the same bandwidth as the ftp server does. Hm. Never heard of that, I must say. I'm using a 64kbit ISDN connection, shouldn't any server at the provider be able to handle that little data? Oliver Sturm -- $ cat "can of food" cat: cannot open can of food -- Oliver Sturm / [EMAIL PROTECTED] Key ID: 71D86996 Fingerprint: 8085 5C52 60B8 EFBD DAD0 78B8 CE7F 38D7 71D8 6996 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! Windows 2000 professional
Hi Benoit Darcy, On Thursday, February 17, 2000 at 1:34:24 PM you wrote: Is there any problem of compatibility or is The Bat! totally Win2K compliant ? thanx for your answers :) I didn't have any specific problems in about two months. Oliver Sturm -- This Virus requires Microsoft Windows. -- Oliver Sturm / [EMAIL PROTECTED] Key ID: 71D86996 Fingerprint: 8085 5C52 60B8 EFBD DAD0 78B8 CE7F 38D7 71D8 6996 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: The Bat! and Big files
Hi Januk Aggarwal, On Wednesday, February 16, 2000 at 11:55:59 PM you wrote: http://www.highpowergraphics.com/freedrive.html Or if you want a little more space than that, http://www.freediskspace.com/Index.asp Thanks, I'll be having a look at those. Oliver Sturm -- $ cat "can of food" cat: cannot open can of food -- Oliver Sturm / [EMAIL PROTECTED] Key ID: 71D86996 Fingerprint: 8085 5C52 60B8 EFBD DAD0 78B8 CE7F 38D7 71D8 6996 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[3]: LDAP
Hi Oleg Zalyalov,
On Thursday, February 17, 2000 at 10:43:30 AM you wrote:
I don't know about the question, but I have one long standing
problem with LDAP. It doesn't search if organization in search base
contains space. So I have to use other applications to search the
most useful LDAP directory.
I have had a look at the log files of my own ldap server and i saw
that TB gives a correct search string for organizations containing
spaces. It works with my installation of OpenLDAP 1.2.0, maybe the
problem is specific to some ldap server software?
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Re[2]: The Bat! - bug report
Hello Allie, Tuesday, February 15, 2000, 7:28:31 PM, you wrote: That's true. You can see it when attaching a very large file to a new message via the "attach a file" button. Using dd it works well. AM Funny I just attached a 30MB file using the attach file AM toolbar button with no problem. Where exactly does the problem with AM attaching using this method occur? It takes a long time, TB uses loads of memory, sometimes you get to see that "memory exhausted" dialog. Then sometimes TB crashes... but sometimes, it works after all. About receiving mail... I've not seen TB fault on this, but I've sometimes got the impression that throughput is poor with large mails. Receiving a mail of, say, 8 MB seems to take significantly longer than ftping a file that size. I didn't doublecheck with a stopwatch, so I can't give values. AM Is that really a fair comparison? As I meant a file that has 8MB when already base64-encoded, I don't know why it shouldn't be. Best regards, Olivermailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: The Bat! - bug report
Hi Allie Martin, On Tuesday, February 15, 2000 at 12:55:06 AM you wrote: Yes, I'm a bad, bad boy for sending email that big. Who cares. Fix the problem. Why should TB! use in excess of 192 megs of ram when trying to import (or open) an email with a 8 meg attachment?! This problem is as you say old. Since I don't practice sending large e-mail attachments g, I can only give second hand information. It was said that dragging and dropping the attachment anywhere unto the TB! main window creates a new message with the attachment without hassle. That's true. You can see it when attaching a very large file to a new message via the "attach a file" button. Using dd it works well. About receiving mail... I've not seen TB fault on this, but I've sometimes got the impression that throughput is poor with large mails. Receiving a mail of, say, 8 MB seems to take significantly longer than ftping a file that size. I didn't doublecheck with a stopwatch, so I can't give values. Oliver Sturm -- This Virus requires Microsoft Windows. -- Oliver Sturm / [EMAIL PROTECTED] Key ID: 71D86996 Fingerprint: 8085 5C52 60B8 EFBD DAD0 78B8 CE7F 38D7 71D8 6996 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Here is 'EXACT' sequence, I used, so THE BAT opens a URL.
Hi phil, On Montag, 24. Januar 2000 at 04:27:30 you wrote: Here is a sequence, I used, so THE BAT opens a URL. [ largish sequence cut ] Have I missed something? My Bat opens an URL every time I click on it. What is this about? Oliver Sturm -- %make love Make: Don't know how to make love. Stop. -- Oliver Sturm / [EMAIL PROTECTED] Key ID: 71D86996 Fingerprint: 8085 5C52 60B8 EFBD DAD0 78B8 CE7F 38D7 71D8 6996 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
PGP 6.5.3
Hi there, I got PGP 6.5.3 now, seems to be quite new... just wanted to tell the other folks interested in PGP that this one seems to be working well with The Bat! Checking signatures works again at long last, although not automatic ;) I installed it on Win2k, which works generally, but I have several problems with the pgpdisk driver on one system, so be careful if you try it. Thanks! Oliver Sturm -- % ar m God ar: God does not exist -- Oliver Sturm / [EMAIL PROTECTED] Key ID: 71D86996 Fingerprint: 8085 5C52 60B8 EFBD DAD0 78B8 CE7F 38D7 71D8 6996 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: PGP 6.5.3
Hi Gary, On Dienstag, 18. Januar 2000 at 22:57:22 you wrote: O I got PGP 6.5.3 now, seems to be quite new... just wanted to tell the O other folks interested in PGP that this one seems to be working well O with The Bat! Checking signatures works again at long last, although O not automatic ;) I installed it on Win2k, which works generally, but I O have several problems with the pgpdisk driver on one system, so be O careful if you try it. I have been using my commercial PGP 6.5.3 in TB! without a problem too on W98 OS. However, I have not been able to load it on my W2K OS side as it will not load ... says must use W9x or NT. It will not recognize W2K. I suspect it is the pgpdisk driver also. Do you have the free version? If not, how did you get it to install? Maybe I should use the free version 6.5.3 on W2K. AFAIK, 6.5.3 is the only version apart from the illustrous 6.5.2a that is specifically for Win2k. It even says so in the readme! Anyway, every other function works alright, it's only the pgpdisk driver that gives problems. I tried it on two machines with the same configuration but different hardware and it worked on one ;) I'm not using the free version, but the commercial version I got from the licensed section at pgpinternational.com. Oliver Sturm -- % ar m God ar: God does not exist -- Oliver Sturm / [EMAIL PROTECTED] Key ID: 71D86996 Fingerprint: 8085 5C52 60B8 EFBD DAD0 78B8 CE7F 38D7 71D8 6996 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Newbie now on list...
Hi Alexander V. Kiselev, On Montag, 17. Januar 2000 at 21:10:27 you wrote: Yep. But that's another side of this coin. TB treats MIME digests *right now* awfully: it treats them as an empty message with heaps of attachments, each of them being a message. Nightmare to read this thing! Unless the developers do something about it (BTW, in RFCs it's clearly stated that MIME digests _should_ be treated as *folders* consisting of individual messages, provided that the OS supports such kind of graphical representation) the only way to deal with digests is to split them into individual messages, then import to TB. Ha. Now I know exactly what you mean! I've had those in some lists, too, still receive some occasionally. I'd definitely support that TB should have a better way of handling those things... Maybe they could be shown like a thread? Oliver Sturm -- %make love Make: Don't know how to make love. Stop. -- Oliver Sturm / [EMAIL PROTECTED] Key ID: 71D86996 Fingerprint: 8085 5C52 60B8 EFBD DAD0 78B8 CE7F 38D7 71D8 6996 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Newbie now on list...
Hi Alexander V. Kiselev, On Sonntag, 16. Januar 2000 at 22:34:28 you wrote: [ splitting digests ] Believe it or not, but this is *my own favourite*, too;-( I'm not saying I don't like the idea, but one arrogant question: Why do you subscribe in digest mode if you want the separate messages? (Just out of real interest!) I'm in some mailing lists digest mode, but that's exactly because I _don't_ want the separate mails. I just browse the contents, usually to find only two articles I'm interested in and then I trash the whole thing ;) Oliver Sturm -- % \(- (-: Command not found. -- Oliver Sturm / [EMAIL PROTECTED] Key ID: 71D86996 Fingerprint: 8085 5C52 60B8 EFBD DAD0 78B8 CE7F 38D7 71D8 6996 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: The Bat! - bug report
Hi Januk Aggarwal, On Freitag, 14. Januar 2000 at 00:15:48 you wrote: Messages saved but not set to "send later" can't be deleted from Outbox. This has been discussed before, and it turns out it isn't a bug exactly. Obviously I missed that ;) Thanks! Now there is an easy work around. When you create a message and save it, there is an icon with a little hourglass and paper. Click on that, it will removed, just the same way you unpark a message elsewhere. I have no problem with that now, seems like a nice idea. Oliver Sturm -- % ar m God ar: God does not exist -- Oliver Sturm / [EMAIL PROTECTED] Key ID: 71D86996 Fingerprint: 8085 5C52 60B8 EFBD DAD0 78B8 CE7F 38D7 71D8 6996 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Auto Verify PGP Messages ?
Hi Nick Andriash,
On Freitag, 14. Januar 2000 at 04:18:36 you wrote:
Hello Batters,
I'm wondering if any of you who use PGP, and have set the Preferences for
auto verification on opening of messages, has ever had it work for them? The
question was posed to me off List, and I must admit that I didn't have my
Preferences set that way... so I tried it, and in fact it does not work in
TB. This feature of PGP does however, work in Eudora and Outlook 2K.
Anyone have similar experiences? Any suggestions?
I have the similar experience that it doesn't work. Anyway (even if I
get to repeat myself ;), checking signatures has not been working for
me for a long time now...
BTW, has anybody tried to install PGP 6.51 on Win2k? I tried it, as it
got available at last in germany and it keeps telling me it won't work
on Win2k. Funny, as 6.02 did work without problems.
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Re[2]: Auto Verify PGP Messages ?
Hi Nick Andriash,
On Freitag, 14. Januar 2000 at 20:21:21 you wrote:
BTW, has anybody tried to install PGP 6.51 on Win2k? I tried it, as
it got available at last in germany and it keeps telling me it
won't work on Win2k. Funny, as 6.02 did work without problems.
Oliver, have you tried the newest version... 6.5.2(a) ? I think
there was mention that it was setup for Win2K not 100% sure, but
there should be some documentation at the NAI site.
I'm here in germany and I'm happy to have 6.5.1 at last... took them
about half a year since the version available in USA... plus, they
don't ever tell me about it although I have a support contract. You
have to look on their website yourself. Great company, NAI... talk
about monopolizing.
Downloading US versions is still no-no without special export licenses
at NAI, I don't know for sure if that might change, considering latest
jurisdiction.
Thanks for the idea, I'll be looking forward to when 6.5.2 comes to
germany ;) BTW, does checking signatures work in TB with 6.5.2 or do
you still get that nice empty window?
Oliver Sturm
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The Bat! - bug report
Hello The Bat! developers, I'm using The Bat! Version 1.38e under Windows NT 5.0 Build 2128 and would like to report a bug The bug description: Messages saved but not set to "send later" can't be deleted from Outbox. Steps to reproduce the bug: Create a new message, enter an address and some text. Hit Ctrl-S to save it in the Outbox folder. Close the editor window. Try to delete the message from Outbox. It doesn't work. Reopen the message, hit "Send later". Now the message can be deleted. Regards, Oliver Sturm -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!
Hi all,
IMHO, this is mainly loads of discussion about a piece of software
that's supposedly arriving somewhere in the near future. What I
noticed about the interview was mainly that there is no single hard
fact about that piece of software available. There's some "of course
this will be in it" and "that has a high priority", but I didn't get
the impression there will be anything to really look at in the next
few months at least.
So, what new features will TB 1.40 bring? That seems more interesting
to me.
IMVHO, of course.
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Hi Moosebreath, On Samstag, 8. Januar 2000 at 20:12:57 you wrote: I used to be able to edit a message and save it where it sits, doesn't look like a way to do that. Do you mean a message you received? Why would you want to edit that? You can't, IMHO. Saving a message as draft is possible using different commands in the menu "Message". I'd like to be able to set up multiple accounts (I have 4), and use 1 set of mailbox folders with the option of using specific ones inside the other accounts. You can use filters to automatically move messages to other folders, even in other accounts. You can drag and drop messages across account boundaries. I see there is HTML support but when an HTML page comes into email, it doesn't look like what was sent, E-C-O (Eudora, Calypso, and Outlook) display as a web page. I know I'll get flak here, but I would like to see an HTML toolbar and the ability to display the page the way it was sent. When you subscribe to things nowadays, sometimes you're given a choice of HTML of plain text but most of the time not at all, you get HTML. Email and HTML have to mix nowadays. Double click the html-attachment to open it using your default browser. I'd like to select which account to send the email from (down arrow) in the send mail when I'm about to send it, not have to send it from the account I'm editing in. In the message editor, use the down arrow right of the From-field to select the originating account. I'd like to see a "preview" on the toolbar next to the print button. And a "right click" on the toolbar to customize it. I'd like those, too ;) Some small stuff like "change case", "wrap, unwrap", "remove quotes in message" etc. You can change case somehow, but I don't remember. What is wrap and unwrap? Like folder mode in emacs? I don't think you can do that. I don't know about removing quotes, but you can reply without quoting using Messages/Specials/Reply without quotation. The ability to work with sentences or paragraphs or both. Hm? When I'm composing a message, tell me which mailbox I'm in, in case the gray cells get lost. AFAIK, you can see that from the From-field. Oliver Sturm -- % \(- (-: Command not found. -- Oliver Sturm / [EMAIL PROTECTED] Key ID: 71D86996 Fingerprint: 8085 5C52 60B8 EFBD DAD0 78B8 CE7F 38D7 71D8 6996 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: TBUDL@THEBAT.DUTAINT.COM is a private mailing list
Hi Douglas Hinds, On Samstag, 8. Januar 2000 at 20:54:38 you wrote: I've started to receive loads of this stuff again. I thought that problem had been solved? What does this indicate? That something I sent didn't get posted? Douglas Hinds Saturday, January 08, 2000, 12:42:54 PM, MDaemon wrote: Mtdc [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mtdc X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mtdc Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mtdc Mime-Version: 1.0 Mtdc X-Actual-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mtdc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Mtdc Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mtdc Precedence: bulk Mtdc X-MDMailing-List: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mtdc X-MDSend-Notifications-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mtdc X-Hosted-by: Duta Integrasi Pratama - Indonesia Mtdc X-List-Command: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Mtdc [EMAIL PROTECTED] is not a moderator or member of this list. Only a moderator or member may post to this list. Oliver Sturm -- %make love Make: Don't know how to make love. Stop. -- Oliver Sturm / [EMAIL PROTECTED] Key ID: 71D86996 Fingerprint: 8085 5C52 60B8 EFBD DAD0 78B8 CE7F 38D7 71D8 6996 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Keyboard Shortcut to move to next unread message?
Hi Jast, On Freitag, 24. Dezember 1999 at 11:42:09 you wrote: J Try out Ctrl-´ (left of backspace, right of ß) That should work. Is there a way to make that shortcut (or rather the function itself) to work across folders? Meaning, when I've read the last message in one folder, have it jump to the next unread message in whatever other folder? Oliver Sturm -- Oliver Sturm / [EMAIL PROTECTED] Key ID: 71D86996 Fingerprint: 8085 5C52 60B8 EFBD DAD0 78B8 CE7F 38D7 71D8 6996 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Keyboard Shortcut to move to next unread message?
Hi Jast, On Freitag, 24. Dezember 1999 at 11:42:09 you wrote: the subject says it. I found Ctrl-ß to be for moving to the _previous_ unread message. I have no instant idea why I would want that ;) Moving to the _next_ unread message has no shortcut apparently. J This was discussed before, and you didn't take notice ;-) Sorry ;) J Try out Ctrl-´ (left of backspace, right of ß) That should work. Works! Great! Oliver Sturm -- Oliver Sturm / [EMAIL PROTECTED] Key ID: 71D86996 Fingerprint: 8085 5C52 60B8 EFBD DAD0 78B8 CE7F 38D7 71D8 6996 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Other windows crashes
Hi Ali Martin, On Freitag, 24. Dezember 1999 at 21:00:27 you wrote: does anybody know an editor that works like TB's editor? (it would be a real surplus if it would also support syntax-highlighting) Try Emacs, it even works like the rest of The Bat! ;) And it does support syntax highlighting. Or try Proton, free from www.meybohm.de. Oliver Sturm -- Oliver Sturm / [EMAIL PROTECTED] Key ID: 71D86996 Fingerprint: 8085 5C52 60B8 EFBD DAD0 78B8 CE7F 38D7 71D8 6996 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[4]: Fonts Available with Editor ??
Hi Thomas Fernandez, On Donnerstag, 23. Dezember 1999 at 3:34:29 you wrote: TF Right. When I started working at my first employer's office, and TF one of the big clients of that company insisted they buy a fax TF machine, they said exactly this: "we have been using telex TF machines for 20 years without any problems, we really don't need TF fax". TF When Email became the hit in business, my then-boss said, "we have TF been using faxes for 20 years, we really don't need email". Just one last answer by me about this subject: Your comparison doesn't fit. Go invent a new system. Plan it carefully and don't forget variable width fonts. Write a client for it and call it The Bloat!. But don't tamper with an existing running system. Sorry, I don't want to sound angry... As you said, we finally all agree ;) And, as Marck stated in another posting, there are obvious reasons for using variable width fonts. I won't reiterate all that now, just wanted to make clear why the fax/telex example is no good. Happy christmas! Oliver Sturm -- Oliver Sturm / [EMAIL PROTECTED] Key ID: 71D86996 Fingerprint: 8085 5C52 60B8 EFBD DAD0 78B8 CE7F 38D7 71D8 6996 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Filters for outgoing messages?
Hi Ali Martin, On Donnerstag, 23. Dezember 1999 at 23:59:55 you wrote: AM On Thu, 23 Dec 1999 23:08:25 +0100, Roel wrote: just put 'explorer.exe' or 'explorer' in the field, that'll do it :-) AM I included my windows directory as well and it also worked. shrug It does work. I fell for some nasty translation error... There's a check box beneath that edit field saying "Run hidden". I usually use The Bat! with german language and in german it says "Erzeuge getrennten Prozess", which means "Create separate process". Of course I checked that one... seemed to be a good idea. Oliver Sturm -- Oliver Sturm / [EMAIL PROTECTED] Key ID: 71D86996 Fingerprint: 8085 5C52 60B8 EFBD DAD0 78B8 CE7F 38D7 71D8 6996 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Keyboard Shortcut to move to next unread message?
Hi there, the subject says it. I found Ctrl-ß to be for moving to the _previous_ unread message. I have no instant idea why I would want that ;) Moving to the _next_ unread message has no shortcut apparently. Thanks! Oliver Sturm -- Oliver Sturm / [EMAIL PROTECTED] Key ID: 71D86996 Fingerprint: 8085 5C52 60B8 EFBD DAD0 78B8 CE7F 38D7 71D8 6996 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Filters for outgoing messages?
Hi Roel, On Donnerstag, 23. Dezember 1999 at 23:08:25 you wrote: OS Then I put "windowsdir\explorer.exe" in the edit R just put 'explorer.exe' or 'explorer' in the field, that'll do it :-) R if you want to use windows-variables, you should use them like this: R %windowsdir% Nice to know that works ;) Anyway, of course I didn't put "windowsdir" in there, but actually "d:\winnt". I just didn't want to confuse anybody ;) Oliver Sturm -- Oliver Sturm / [EMAIL PROTECTED] Key ID: 71D86996 Fingerprint: 8085 5C52 60B8 EFBD DAD0 78B8 CE7F 38D7 71D8 6996 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
