Re: Mod: Cut mark (was: Top-Posting and message list)
Hello ETM, On Tue, 1 Jun 2004 19:42:42 -0400 GMT (02/06/2004, 06:42 +0700 GMT), ETM wrote: E Marck, would you please give me a sample cut mark (template? E macro?) for my signature for use only when replying to this E list since all my other mailing lists use top posting and E therefore a cut mark cannot be used since it removes the E post being replied to. Do I need to call on a signature E block devoted to TheBat? How would I do that? Right now, E it is just natural to sign off with two returns and Elaine. E That sign off is manually typed (not a template) in all my E emails and I will omit it here. Don't omit. Instead of two returns, type minus-minus-blank-return. I do that when I'm not on my computer. -- Cheers, Thomas. Um zu antworten, bitte die From-Zeile mit ROT13 bearbeiten. Danach mit MD5 hashen, zeichenweise den ASCII-Code um 2 erhoehen (mod 57) und erneut um 63 erhoehen. Dann mit der urspruenglichen Adresse x-oren. Schliesslich am Ergebnis erfreuen und so antworten wie gewohnt. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.11 Beta/9 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 256MB RAM Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Top-Posting and message list (was Re: The Bat! Help File)
Hi Allen, Tuesday, June 1, 2004, 7:37:29 AM, you wrote: A Even if all that is irrelevant, there is some value in a strictly inforced A 'my way or the highway' approach--if there were conditions on when top A posting was and was not accepted, it would be near impossible to enforce A any sort of quoting policy--since it would all, inherently, be judgement A calls. There would be arguments, confusion, and a lot more inconvenience A than the current system. There is certainly validity in what you are saying about the difficulty of enforcement. Personally, I'd primarily enforce trimming the quotes and not worry so much about top or bottom quoting. On the other hand, I have no problem following the existing rules, I was just stating my view. -- Wayne King Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Top-Posting and message list (was Re: The Bat! Help File)
Hello Allie, On Tue, 1 Jun 2004 20:28:28 -0500 GMT (02/06/2004, 08:28 +0700 GMT), Allie Martin wrote: MU I fully agree with you and do the same. Messages in lists like MU this one can be viewed as threads, why quote then? AM Giving no information about the message you're replying to is AM unacceptable and assumes that all readers thread their messages. This AM actually annoys me more than top posting does. Same here. Even with threaded view: There may be subthreads, so I have read a couple of other messages before I get to the one I'm reading. No quoting at all, I would have to scroll up and find the parent, and even if TB has this long-desired shortcut, it would be too cumbersome to do that. Hitting del instead comes naturally. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Vier Jahre nach dem Tod von Augut Haarmann (1913) wurde sein Sohn in Dresden geboren. * Message reply created with The Bat! 2.11 Beta/9 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 256MB RAM Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Top-Posting and message list (was Re: The Bat! Help File)
Peter Meyns wrote: A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? I'm copying this over to TBOT to move discussion there. I'm curious about the logic of the above point from Peter's tag line (which I agree with) and applying the same logic to message list view. Do the anti-top-posting crusaders (or even those that strongly believe against top-posting) also view their message list with new messages at the bottom? Is it silly to even be making the connection? It would seem that if logical flow of conversation is a main argument for top-posting, a similar argument could be used for viewing a list of messages and threads. Or does the flow issue matter only *within* a message because of the *context* issue? That makes sense to me. Note that I'm not trying to bait anyone or start an argument. I'm genuinely curious about this. I have used both new messages at bottom and new messages at top for viewing messages. I have even used both at the same time, across different accounts - new at top for business mail, new at bottom for everything else. (I continue to top-post for business mail). To me, it usually makes more sense/logic to put new mail at bottom - especially using the logic of flow argument. But viewing new items at bottom often requires more work - and in some cases, it's downright impossible when trying to implement the concept across multiple applications. (why just do this for e-mail?) One thing that threw a wrench in the workings of my perception on this was the idea of a physical Inbox, and realizing that new messages at top more closely resembles a real-world Inbox. I don't know very many people that would put new items at the bottom of the stack in their physical Inbox. But maybe I just don't know the right kind of people... ;) Thoughts? Suggestions? Ridicule? -- Ken Green Using The Bat! v2.10.03 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Top-Posting and message list (was Re: The Bat! Help File)
ken green wrote: One thing that threw a wrench in the workings of my perception on this was the idea of a physical Inbox, and realizing that new messages at top more closely resembles a real-world Inbox. We do it that way since we can't really do any better when managing and organising physical objects which is what snail mail is about. Electronic data offers a lot more flexibility and ease with organizing without presenting practical difficulties. Take threading for instance. We do this with great ease with e-mail. Try this with your office mail .. quite a challenge just to physically do a batch which is done using TB! at the flick of a switch. With the flick of other switches we can change how we thread. Not practical with snail mail. Now try maintaining the threaded physical mail, something we do automatically with e-mail. Finally, retrieve a thread of physical mail correspondence. Not as easy as e-mail. Take a nested reply vs a top post. With snail mail, we often send replies with a copy of the original message attached at the back. Why? That's the most convenient way. A nested reply would be ridiculously tedious and not worth the effort. This isn't a problem electronically since we can easily insert text between segments of the original and easily specially mark the original to differentiate it from the reply text. In this way, context is better gleaned and followed. Why restrict ourselves by top posting since this is the format we use with snail mail, when really and truly, on most occasions, we do so out of convenience. IOW's, what I'm getting at is that e-mail offers advantages that physical mail does not. Why try to restrict e-mail and how we work with it, by working with it the same way in which we are forced to work with snail mail? Our list rules are based on this premise. All members currently don't, nor will all members ever agree with the rules these lists are bound by. One things for sure, is that the rules are based on a lot of experience with what seems to go well with the majority. Most also go well with the majority outside the scope of this discussion list. -- -=[ Allie ]=- (List Moderator and fellow end-user) PGPKeys: http://key.ac-martin.com Running ThunderBird v0.6 on XP Pro SP1 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Top-Posting and message list (was Re: The Bat! Help File)
Hi ken, On Mon, 31 May 2004, at 11:05:24 [GMT -0500] (which was 10:05 AM where I live) you wrote: kg I'm curious about the logic of the above point from Peter's tag kg line (which I agree with) and applying the same logic to message kg list view. On folders where I view threads (mainly lists), then I sort by ascending (older messages at top), because just like reading an e-mail, I read from top to bottom). My inbox on the other hand, is sorted descending (newer at top). -- Cheers, Leif Gregory List Moderator (and fellow registered end-user) PCWize Editor / ICQ 216395 / PGP Key ID 0x7CD4926F Web Site http://www.PCWize.com TB FAQ http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/FAQ.html Using The Bat! 2.11 Beta/9 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 on a P4 1.6Ghz OC'd to 2.32Ghz with 512MB. Tagline of the day: I get enough exercise just pushin' my luck. Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Top-Posting and message list (was Re: The Bat! Help File)
Allie Martin wrote: We do it that way since we can't really do any better when managing and organising physical objects which is what snail mail is about. Electronic data offers a lot more flexibility and ease with organizing without presenting practical difficulties. To be clear, I wasn't arguing against the list rule of top-posting at all. I was asking whether staunch anti-top-posters always viewed their messages lists with new messages at the bottom. I only threw in the comment at the end about the physical Inbox because it was a different way of doing things - not as an argument *for* top-posting (or even top-viewing). Your explanation was good, though, and perhaps should be saved and made part of the mod for top-posting? Or at least part of the welcome message? -- Ken Green Using The Bat! v2.10.03 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Top-Posting and message list (was Re: The Bat! Help File)
Hello Ken, Monday, May 31, 2004, 6:05:24 PM, you wrote: A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? kg It would seem that if logical flow of conversation is a main kg argument for top-posting, a similar argument could be used for viewing kg a list of messages and threads. kg Thoughts? Suggestions? Ridicule? Did you ever have a look at the transmission protocols in the headers of email messages with this question in mind??? It is not exactly what you would call a logical flow... (-: It is a kind of recursive top-posting or however you might want to call it. -- Best regards, Cyrille mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [ the sig delimiter left TB correctly formatted! ] [ TB! 2.10.01, Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000, Pentium 233Mhz with 95MB ] Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
OT: Re: Top-Posting and message list (was Re: The Bat! Help File)
Hi Cyrille, On Tue, 1 Jun 2004, at 00:11:08 [GMT +0200] (which was 4:11 PM where I live) you wrote: C Did you ever have a look at the transmission protocols in the C headers of email messages with this question in mind??? It is not C exactly what you would call a logical flow... (-: It is a kind of C recursive top-posting or however you might want to call it. Moving to TBOT And can you imagine the enormous overhead a server would have if it had to parse each and every message to determine where to stick its hop information instead of just sticking it on top. Sometimes top posting is warranted (i.e. tech support situations between two people), at work where everyone wants to top post, but on these lists, it's not allowed. -- Cheers, Leif Gregory List Moderator (and fellow registered end-user) PCWize Editor / ICQ 216395 / PGP Key ID 0x7CD4926F Web Site http://www.PCWize.com TB FAQ http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/FAQ.html Using The Bat! 2.11 Beta/9 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 on a P4 1.6Ghz OC'd to 2.32Ghz with 512MB. Tagline of the day: A broken Window gets you 7 meg. of bad luck Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Top-Posting and message list (was Re: The Bat! Help File)
A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? kg I'm curious about the logic of the above point from Peter's tag line kg (which I agree with) and applying the same logic to message list view. kg Do the anti-top-posting crusaders (or even those that strongly believe kg against top-posting) also view their message list with new messages at kg the bottom? kg snip This is the first list I've been on that had such a rigid rule against top posting -- and I go back to pre-internet tech forums on Compuserve. It's not a big deal to me and I certainly don't want to fight about it. I just want to comment. I think it depends on what you're doing. If I'm responding to several specific points in a message I'd want to do as this list requires -- quote each point and respond underneath. On the other hand, if I'm responding to the general idea in a message, I'd normally top post. In this case I view the quoted text as there for reference in case the recipient has forgotten the flow of the discussion. If it weren't for the rules here, I would have top quoted this message. In the latter case, it very much annoys me to have to scroll down past the quoted text to read the response. One especially annoying example was a message in this list that I just read. I had to scroll down below quoted text only to find a thank you for your help. I think something like this should always be top quoted. As for flow of the conversation, you get that by following the thread. I don't see the need to repeat that flow at the top of each reply -- unless you're responding to very specific points. That's my 2 cents worth. (I also like new messages at the top of my mailboxes -- so I don't have to scroll to the bottom to find them.) -- Wayne King Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Top-Posting and message list (was Re: The Bat! Help File)
Hi Wayne, On Mon, 31 May 2004, at 21:54:21 [GMT -0600] (which was 9:54 PM where I live) you wrote: WK In the latter case, it very much annoys me to have to scroll down WK past the quoted text to read the response. One especially annoying WK example was a message in this list that I just read. I had to WK scroll down below quoted text only to find a thank you for your WK help. I think something like this should always be top quoted. And hence the list rule regarding over-quoting. The netiquette rules make a great deal of sense, but if people only use part of the equation, then they never see how much better it is. -- Cheers, Leif Gregory List Moderator (and fellow registered end-user) PCWize Editor / ICQ 216395 / PGP Key ID 0x7CD4926F Web Site http://www.PCWize.com TB FAQ http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/FAQ.html Using The Bat! 2.11 Beta/9 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 on a P4 1.6Ghz OC'd to 2.32Ghz with 512MB. Tagline of the day: Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day. Teach a man to fish and he will sit in a boat drinking beer all day. Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Mod: Top posting (was: Chat folder HOWTO ?)
On Monday, May 31, 2004, 6:33:23 AM, you wrote: Top posting, i.e., typing all your reply text at the top of your message and following it with all quoted text below, is not encouraged and we actually request that you not do so on this list because Got it. (blush) Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Mod: Top posting
Hi, On Wednesday, May 26, 2004 at 7:16:27 PM, Cyrille wrote: LLM En fait, ce qu'on te reproche, c'est de répondre « au-dessus » des LLM citations. Tu fais ça : LLM Alors qu'il faut faire ça : LLM C'est mieux expliqué dans le lien que je t'ai donné plus haut. Oh, that's nice. Does this list become french now ? (-: I guess Ritlabs has increased his market share in Western countries : it seems that The Bat! is really popular in countries like Russia, Germany, Czech Republic (there's a lot of ressources in these languages on the web). I can't say why. And now, it's more and more popular in France and maybe in other Western and European countries :) Maybe due to the Euro ? Just kidding... -- Ludovic LE MOAL (Quimper - France) URL:http://www.lemoal.org/ ICQ# 92250692 Using The Bat! v2.10.01 on Windows 98 4.10 Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Mod: Top posting (was: Problem with mail and $KNOWN$ folder...)
Hi, I apologize if I do not respect rules. You explain these rules but I am French and I've a lot of difficulties to understand what was wrong in my post and what you explain to me. So I try to find somebody who can translate and explain your mail and the rules. AT the time I stop mail and I apologize again to all the users of the list for my mistakes. I will be back as soon as I will understand how the list work. Thank you Sincerely, WilWilWil [EMAIL PROTECTED] ==Original message text=== From: Leif Gregory [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WilWilWil [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, May 25, 2004, 9:36:09 PM Subject: Mod: Top posting (was: Problem with mail and $KNOWN$ folder...) LG Hi WilWilWil, LG On Tue, 25 May 2004, at 21:33:11 [GMT +0200] (which was 1:33 PM where LG I live) you wrote: W It is the only one filter... LG moderator LG Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not LG just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have LG instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out WilWilWil. LG This posting violated the list rules regarding top posting. LG Top posting, i.e., typing all your reply text at the top of your LG message and following it with all quoted text below, is not LG encouraged and we actually request that you not do so on this list LG because LG a) It makes it difficult to glean context from what you typed at the LGtop of the message LG and LG b) It encourages excessive quoting. LG We would much prefer if you quote just that much of the message to LG which you're replying, so we know what it is you're referring to, LG and then below the quotation, type your response. If you're LG responding to more than one part of the original, then quote each LG part separately and follow each part with your response. LG Now, I know that you may not personally prefer this format and that LG you may disagree with some of the reasoning here. We very much LG respect this. However, this is the format that most of the active LG members here prefer and all members are expected, and are being LG asked to use the format that will make most of the active membership LG here comfortable reading. You'll likely get a more responsive group LG when you post using a style that is comfortable for them to read and LG understand. LG Thank you. LG /moderator ===End of original message text=== Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Mod: Top posting
Allie Martin wrote: Marck D Pearlstone wrote: Microsoft made a grand mistake. When you reply to an email using one of their email programs, you get the flashing cursor at the top of the text. So it appears that it's okay to just type what you want to say *there*. It's not okay though. I don't know if it's Microsoft that started it but it's certainly not only Microsoft e-mail clients that does this. Don't most of them givve you an option to control that? It's really important that one quotes only what is relevant when participating in discussion groups since it helps to greatly reduce the amount of bytes being passed around with each post. Especially on mailing lists that add footers! I'm using ThunderBird here and realize that it doesn't make life easy for those who wish to quote only the relevant text. It will not quote only the text you select. Additionally, splitting quoted text into parts for replying isn't as easy as with TB!. Gee, I didn't have any problems doing this message with T-bird. :-) Pete Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Mod: Top posting
Hi, On Wednesday, May 26, 2004 at 5:49:00 PM, WilWilWil wrote: I apologize if I do not respect rules. You explain these rules but I am French and I've a lot of difficulties to understand what was wrong in my post and what you explain to me. You can have a look at http://www.giromini.org/usenet-fr/repondre.html. It's called « L'Art et la manière de répondre sur Usenet », so related to Usenet but it's almost the same, I guess. Otherwise, there's a mailing-list for french-speaking people there : http://draenor.its-toasted.org/mailman/listinfo/tb-fr where you can find useful informations. fr En fait, ce qu'on te reproche, c'est de répondre « au-dessus » des citations. Tu fais ça : === Exemple === Réponse Citation === === Alors qu'il faut faire ça : === Exemple === Citation Réponse === === C'est mieux expliqué dans le lien que je t'ai donné plus haut. /fr -- Ludovic LE MOAL - Rabatteur Using The Bat! v2.10.01 on Windows 98 4.10 Allez Monaco ! Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Mod: Top posting (was: Problem with mail and $KNOWN$ folder...)
Hello WilWilWil, Wednesday, May 26, 2004, 9:49:00 AM, you wrote: WilWilWil I apologize if I do not respect rules. You explain these WilWilWil rules but I am French and I've a lot of difficulties to WilWilWil understand what was wrong in my post and what you explain WilWilWil to me. No problem. We're all learning! :-) The rule is not to post your reply to the top of the reply. Instead, put your reply underneath what they said. Or, like I am doing here, where I reply to individual pieces of your message, is called in-line quoting. WilWilWil So I try to find somebody who can translate and explain WilWilWil your mail and the rules. AT the time I stop mail and I WilWilWil apologize again to all the users of the list for my WilWilWil mistakes. Please don't stop posting. We'd like to hear from you, and we're here to give help where needed. Marck, Allie, and I are more than willing to help you understand the rules. WilWilWil I will be back as soon as I will understand how the list WilWilWil work. We'll be here for you... :-) -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 2.11 Beta/6 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Mod: Top posting
On Wednesday, May 26, 2004, 18:19:52, Allie Martin wrote: I don't know if it's Microsoft that started it but it's certainly not only Microsoft e-mail clients that does this. Actually, just putting the cursor at the top, is not such a bad thing (I modified my TB templates to do this) - it's much easier for me to do interleaved postings (quote - response - quote - response etc.) if I have the cursor at the beginning of quotes. The bad thing that M$ did were two: - their Original message header is clearly not intended to encourage interleaved or bottom-posting - their programs put the signature before the quotes and the Original message text - and even if there is no signature, there are empty lines in front of Original message text. -- Jernej Simoncic http://deepthought.ena.si/ for personal mail, replace guest.arnes.si with isg.si The more ridiculous a belief system, the higher the probability of its success. -- Bartz's Law of Hokey Horsepuckery Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Mod: Top posting
Hello Ludovic, Wednesday, May 26, 2004, 6:28:48 PM, you wrote: LLM En fait, ce qu'on te reproche, c'est de répondre « au-dessus » des LLM citations. Tu fais ça : LLM Alors qu'il faut faire ça : LLM C'est mieux expliqué dans le lien que je t'ai donné plus haut. Oh, that's nice. Does this list become french now ? (-: Or somebody would like some explanations in Hungarian? [no sig no delimiter] Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Mod: Top posting
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello all, Wednesday, May 26, 2004, 11:23:24 AM, Pete Holsberg wrote: Microsoft made a grand mistake. When you reply to an email using one of their email programs, you get the flashing cursor at the top of the text. [...] I don't know if it's Microsoft that started it but it's certainly not only Microsoft e-mail clients that does this. PH Don't most of them givve you an option to control that? Yes, but like most mikrosift programs, it's lame at best. When your first interface to on-line communications with people came from FidoNet (and other BBS networks), you learn REAL quick that posting on top of someone else's message (or even worse _overquoting_) was moderator material. It was (and, IMHO is still) logical and practical. - -- * * Best regards, * Marc. * New Orleans, LA (USA) * FIDONET=1:396/45 INTELEC=239:600/70 * INTERNET: marc.lewis at sstar dot com * TELNET://sursum-corda.com * BBS, DATA FAX: 1-504-897-6006 * -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.0.3 Comment: iQA/AwUBQLU40vku/tz1Eg1XEQID3ACgtnvmKEvK4+IqK9M8sBWwC1PJ99kAoPFv FiRExmHiPmaJ9ueWjaLc6zus =qOA1 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Mod: Top posting (was: 2.1 bugs)
Hi Marck, Saturday, April 17, 2004, 7:43:26 PM, you wrote: MDP This posting violated the list rules regarding top posting. MDP Top posting, i.e., typing all your reply text at the top of your MDP message and following it with all quoted text below, is not MDP encouraged and we actually request that you not do so on this list MDP because Sorry, I was only trying to help and in this instance it makes sense, to me at least. :-) Guess I'll keep my fingers away from reply in future... -- Best regards, Dave Wilson. [EMAIL PROTECTED] (E-mail me subject: 'public key' and I will send it to you) pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.10.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Mod: Top posting
Dear Daveiw, @17-Apr-2004, 19:48 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [D] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck: MDP This posting violated the list rules regarding top posting. MDP Top posting, i.e., typing all your reply text at the top of your MDP message and following it with all quoted text below, is not MDP encouraged and we actually request that you not do so on this list MDP because D Sorry, I was only trying to help and in this instance it D makes sense, to me at least. :-) Never on these lists. It's against the rules. Thank you. D Guess I'll keep my fingers away from reply in future... No need to do that - just remember not to top post when you do reply .. simple enough. -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.10.01 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.10.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Mod: Top posting (was: What removed the virus?)
Hi Marck, Thank you for reminding me of the rules. I somewhat forgot them...nearly 2 years since I last posted here. Apologies to all forum members. -- Best regards, jlaikan Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re TBUDL Moderators...was, re: Mod: Top posting (was: The Bat! versus others)
Saturday, January 17, 2004, 06:21 + 1100, a mod wrote: snip LG moderator LG Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not LG just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have LG instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out ..[name LG snipped..]. LG This posting violated the list rules regarding top posting. LG Top posting, i.e., typing ...[snip] LG Thank you. LG /moderator Now, I am not 'sucking up to the moderators!...but the way the mods pull us back into line is one of the good things about this list ie as far as I have seen, politely and treating others with dignity... I once resigned from a list because the mod publicly and rudely ticked someone off for what might have been a mistake made in ignorance. As politely as possible, I told the mod in a private email that I thought he didn't treat the 'transgressor' very well...and also that you 'catch more bees with honey than vinegar'. The mod basically told me to go away...so I did. The mods on this list are refreshingly different.! Praise where praise is due. (Sorry...this is off topic...pease don't flame me...! ;-) -- Kind regards, Stephen Love AUSTRALIA Sunday, 18 January 2004 19:17 + 1100 Mailer: The Bat! v2.02.3 CE (www.ritlabs.com) Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Re TBUDL Moderators...was, re: Mod: Top posting (was: The Bat! versus others)
S J Love, [SJL] wrote: SJL The mods on this list are refreshingly different.! Thanks for your encouragement. We do work hard to please, and feel a sense of satisfaction when we see comments like yours. :) What you've seen is our exact intent! Have a good one. :) -- -= allie_M =- | List Moderator PGPKeys: http://key.ac-martin.com Using TB! v2.03 Beta/38 on WinXP Pro (SP1) pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Another This posting violated the list rules regarding top posting?!?
Wednesday, October 1, 2003, 2:40:22 PM, you wrote: Hello Jack, Wednesday, October 1, 2003, 1:10:28 PM, you wrote: JM If I had a third thumb, you'd get that one, too. Thanks... grin JM Keep up the great work, guys! You'll never make everyone 100% JM happy, but you're getting close enough for government work. Since I work for the gov't that makes it just fine! ;-) -- Best regards, Jack Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: Another This posting violated the list rules regarding top posting?!?
Wednesday, October 1, 2003, 2:25:03 PM, you wrote: Wednesday, October 1, 2003, 2:40:22 PM, you wrote: Hello Jack, Wednesday, October 1, 2003, 1:10:28 PM, you wrote: JM If I had a third thumb, you'd get that one, too. Thanks... grin JM Keep up the great work, guys! You'll never make everyone 100% JM happy, but you're getting close enough for government work. Since I work for the gov't that makes it just fine! ;-) I have no idea how two of these posts got sent! I only meant to send the one about my mother-in-law. The other two were old, rough drafts that just happened to still be in the Outbox. Sorry! Sheesh. -- Best regards, Jack Using The Bat! 2.02.3 CE on Windows 5.1 (2600) Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Another This posting violated the list rules regarding top posting?!?
Hi Jack, on Wed, 1 Oct 2003 15:25:03 -0500GMT (01.10.03, 22:25 +0200GMT here), you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : JM Delivery-date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 21:57:11 +0100 JM Received: from . JM . for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 09 Jan 2004 12:50:29 -0800 JM Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 15:25:03 -0500 Well, sometimes emails take their time... *s* -- Cheers Peter When I was a boy of fourteen, my father was so ignorant, I could hardly stand to have the old man around. When I was 21, I was amazed at how much he had learned in seven years. Mark Twain Winamp currently playing: Cressida - Time For Bed Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Another This posting violated the list rules regarding top posting?!?
Friday, January 9, 2004, 3:13:54 PM, you wrote: Hi Jack, on Wed, 1 Oct 2003 15:25:03 -0500GMT (01.10.03, 22:25 +0200GMT here), you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : JM Delivery-date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 21:57:11 +0100 JM Received: from . JM . for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 09 Jan 2004 12:50:29 -0800 JM Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 15:25:03 -0500 Well, sometimes emails take their time... *s* I told you that it's been in there a while. Even back before my mother-in-law arrived. And I still don't know how they got sent. :( I was messing around with some Mail Dispatcher settings just prior to the Sends, but can't figure out it could be the culprit. -- Best regards, Jack Using The Bat! 2.02.3 CE on Windows 5.1 (2600) Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Mod: Top posting with cutmark (was: Several Spams that will not filter.)
Hi Mark, @13-Nov-2003, 03:54 -0700 (13-Nov 10:54 UK time) Mark Thomas said to Terry: I have the template installed in the new template section. Using The Bat! v2.01.3 on Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 moderator Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Mark. This posting violated the list rules regarding top posting. Top posting, i.e., typing all your reply text at the top of your message and following it with all quoted text below, is not encouraged and we actually request that you not do so on this list because a) It makes it difficult to glean context from what you typed at the top of the message b) It encourages excessive quoting. and c) Since you (correctly) use a legitimate cut mark, the original text is now no longer available for comment, since it falls below the cut mark and will be automatically removed in any reply. The text you quote has effectively become a part of your signature. We would much prefer if you quote just that much of the message to which you're replying, so we know what it is you're referring to, and then below the quotation, type your response. If you're responding to more than one part of the original, then quote each part separately and follow each part with your response. Now, I know that you may not personally prefer this format and that you may disagree with some of the reasoning here. We very much respect this. However, this is the format that most of the active members here prefer and all members are expected, and are being asked to use the format that will make most of the active membership here comfortable reading. You'll likely get a more responsive group when you post using a style that is comfortable for them to read and understand. Thank you. /moderator -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.01.26 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Mod: Top Posting (was: Several Spams that will not filter.)
Mark Thomas, [MT] wrote: MT I have the template installed in the new template section. MT Using The Bat! v2.01.3 on Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 moderator Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Mark. This posting violated the list rules regarding top posting. Top posting, i.e., typing all your reply text at the top of your message and following it with all quoted text below, is not encouraged and we actually request that you not do so on this list because a) It makes it difficult to glean context from what you typed at the top of the message and b) It encourages excessive quoting. We would much prefer if you quote just that much of the message to which you're replying, so we know what it is you're referring to, and then below the quotation, type your response. If you're responding to more than one parts of the original, then quote each part separately and follow each part with your response. Now, I know that you may not personally prefer this format and that you may disagree with some of the reasoning here. We very much respect this. However, this is the format that most of the active members here prefer and all members are expected, and are being asked to use the format that will make most of the active membership here comfortable reading. You'll likely get a more responsive group when you post using a style that is comfortable for them to read and understand. Thanks very much for reading. :) /moderator -- -= allie_M =- | List Moderator PGPKeys: http://www.ac-martin.com/pgpkeys.html Using TB! v2.01.26 on WinXP Pro (SP1) pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Mod: Top posting with cutmark (was: Several Spams that will not filter.)
Hello Marck, Thursday, November 13, 2003, 4:27:04 AM, you wrote: MDP Hi Mark, MDP @13-Nov-2003, 03:54 -0700 (13-Nov 10:54 UK time) Mark Thomas said to MDP Terry: I have the template installed in the new template section. Using The Bat! v2.01.3 on Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 MDP moderator MDP Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not MDP just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have MDP instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Mark. No problem. I take it constructively. It's been a long day! I changed the reply template around. I think I have it back to defaults. Does this look correct? -- Best regards, Markmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hi Mark, @13-Nov-2003, 04:37 -0700 (13-Nov 11:37 UK time) Mark Thomas said to Marck: MDP .. Please don't feel singled out Mark. No problem. I take it constructively. It's been a long day! Thanks for that! Apologies for the double whammy too. Looks like Allie and I are both on and in vigilance mode :-). I changed the reply template around. I think I have it back to defaults. Does this look correct? Perfection incarnate! :-). -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.01.26 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Marck, Thursday, November 13, 2003, 5:20:59 AM, you wrote: MDP Hi Mark, MDP @13-Nov-2003, 04:37 -0700 (13-Nov 11:37 UK time) Mark Thomas said to MDP Marck: MDP .. Please don't feel singled out Mark. No problem. I take it constructively. It's been a long day! MDP Thanks for that! Apologies for the double whammy too. Looks like MDP Allie and I are both on and in vigilance mode :-). I changed the reply template around. I think I have it back to defaults. Does this look correct? MDP Perfection incarnate! :-). Thanks guys! You don't know unless you ask, and if you don't know to ask, you are really at a disadvantage. Thanks for your comments and guidance. -- Best regards, Markmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Mod: Top posting (was: Purchased the Bat!)
Hi David, @26-Oct-2003, 07:26 -0500 (12:26 UK time) David R. Austen [DRA] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Anthony: DRA Thank you for this. Your message was valuable, moderator Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out David. This posting violated the list rules regarding top posting. Top posting, i.e., typing all your reply text at the top of your message and following it with all quoted text below, is not encouraged and we actually request that you not do so on this list because a) It makes it difficult to glean context from what you typed at the top of the message and b) It encourages excessive quoting. We would much prefer if you quote just that much of the message to which you're replying, so we know what it is you're referring to, and then below the quotation, type your response. If you're responding to more than one part of the original, then quote each part separately and follow each part with your response. Now, I know that you may not personally prefer this format and that you may disagree with some of the reasoning here. We very much respect this. However, this is the format that most of the active members here prefer and all members are expected, and are being asked to use the format that will make most of the active membership here comfortable reading. You'll likely get a more responsive group when you post using a style that is comfortable for them to read and understand. Thank you. /moderator -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.01.7 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Mod: Top posting (was: view images tabs are no longer there on the preview)
Hi Laura, @22-Oct-2003, 18:01 -0700 (23-Oct 02:01 UK time) [EMAIL PROTECTED] [LG] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Roelof: LG I'm very confused why this changed all of a sudden. While sympathetic to your plight and having no suggestions to offer, you leave me with no choice but to say... moderator Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Laura. This posting violated the list rules regarding top posting. Top posting, i.e., typing all your reply text at the top of your message and following it with all quoted text below, is not encouraged and we actually request that you not do so on this list because a) It makes it difficult to glean context from what you typed at the top of the message and b) It encourages excessive quoting. We would much prefer if you quote just that much of the message to which you're replying, so we know what it is you're referring to, and then below the quotation, type your response. If you're responding to more than one part of the original, then quote each part separately and follow each part with your response. Now, I know that you may not personally prefer this format and that you may disagree with some of the reasoning here. We very much respect this. However, this is the format that most of the active members here prefer and all members are expected, and are being asked to use the format that will make most of the active membership here comfortable reading. You'll likely get a more responsive group when you post using a style that is comfortable for them to read and understand. Thank you. /moderator -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator SB! v2.01.2 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Mod: Top posting (was: transferring TB to new PC?)
Hi Eddie, @22-Oct-2003, (23-Oct 01:01 UK time) [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Thanks Thomas! Worked like a charm. Thanks to everyone else as well! moderator Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Eddie. This posting violated the list rules regarding top posting. Top posting, i.e., typing all your reply text at the top of your message and following it with all quoted text below, is not encouraged and we actually request that you not do so on this list because a) It makes it difficult to glean context from what you typed at the top of the message and b) It encourages excessive quoting. We would much prefer if you quote just that much of the message to which you're replying, so we know what it is you're referring to, and then below the quotation, type your response. If you're responding to more than one part of the original, then quote each part separately and follow each part with your response. Now, I know that you may not personally prefer this format and that you may disagree with some of the reasoning here. We very much respect this. However, this is the format that most of the active members here prefer and all members are expected, and are being asked to use the format that will make most of the active membership here comfortable reading. You'll likely get a more responsive group when you post using a style that is comfortable for them to read and understand. Thank you. /moderator -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator SB! v2.01.2 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Another This posting violated the list rules regarding top posting?!?
Hello Marck, On Wed, 01 Oct 2003 02:16:02 +0100 GMT (9/30/2003, 6:16 PM +0700 GMT), Marck D Pearlstone wrote: snip MDP The third explanation is that we're just a bunch power hungry MDP megalomaniacs who love to see our admonishments hurled around the MDP planet in the form of irate electrons. But, hey, aren't we all? At MDP heart? I mean, c'mon fellas (and fella-ettes)! All moderation on Bat lists is gentle and sometimes you get fish. :) -- Best regards, Dennis - Turn in your guns and receive a free pair of leg irons! The Human Race proudly using The Bat! 2.00.6 Windows 2000 Professional 5.0.2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Leif, On Wed, 01 Oct 2003 08:10:41 -0600 GMT (10/1/2003, 7:10 AM +0700 GMT), Leif Gregory wrote: snip LG Alas, what Marck said also is most true... We just like to hear LG ourselves talk. ;-) And so we return to JFW. :) -- Best regards, Dennis - HCI: Helping Criminals, Inc. The Human Race proudly using The Bat! 2.00.6 Windows 2000 Professional 5.0.2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Another This posting violated the list rules regarding top posting?!?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday, September 30, 2003, Marck D Pearlstone wrote... BB The problem with lists is that when people see something done BB wrong and no correction is issued on the list, the lesson learned BB is that the inappropriate behavior is correct and accepted. This posting benefits greatly from nail-on-the-head syndrome. That is *precisely* why all rule-break moderation is done on-list. There is another reason though. When the moderators don't step in visibly, 100+ irate member sure 'nuff will. What would you prefer? One post from a moderator or a free for all of admonishments from any offended party? Or the moderators get 100+ messages saying why aren't you doing anything? ;) I actually resigned from a list for the moderator refusing to perform on-list moderation. It makes no sense at any level. I tend to keep it all on list on the ones I manage, if they decided to complain about it, then it goes off-list. The third explanation is that we're just a bunch power hungry megalomaniacs who love to see our admonishments hurled around the planet in the form of irate electrons. But, hey, aren't we all? At heart? I mean, c'mon fellas (and fella-ettes)! *grins* see... we all knew that was the reason... there is no need to hide it from us... we're all friends here ;) - -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Diagonally parked in a parallel universe. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQA/AwUBP3pduiuD6BT4/R9zEQI69QCgyDWwfZOP9iUOwxj43Dmjg61Ab90AoKCB Ed30FqoJYrZ938PIyu/DS3iN =jiyt -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re:Another This posting violated the list rules regarding top posting?!?
Why these repetitve instructions?!? Maybe some of us need to be reminded about the list rules constantly. For example, the message about inserting a sig delimiter doesnt seem to have reached you yet :( -- regards Clive Taylor Using TB 2.00.18 Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Another This posting violated the list rules regarding top posting?!?
Hello Clive, Wednesday, October 1, 2003, 12:28:29 AM, you wrote: CT Maybe some of us need to be reminded about the list rules CT constantly. For example, the message about inserting a sig CT delimiter doesnt seem to have reached you yet :( *Exactly* the point! There are boatloads of lurkers on the lists. While everything is spelled out in the list rules that *everyone* gets when they subscribe, nobody ever seems to read them. Therefore, the lurkers would never know what's allowed and not allowed if it's not public. I've had this same conversation with Yuki off-list. Marck, Allie and I have been moderating the TB lists for ages now. We've just about tried every form and fashion of moderation known to mankind, and we stick with what works for us over the years. We still tweak here and now (i.e. the recent standardization of moderation messages for example), but for the most part what we're doing does work. Marck pointed out in his reply about users taking up the moderation when the moderators don't make it public. When we were privately moderating, it was unbelievable how much traffic was generated by users telling the person who did The Bad Thing (tm) that they violated the rules. We've been there and done that. We still use private moderation for sensitive issues, but those are much more rare occasions. Alas, what Marck said also is most true... We just like to hear ourselves talk. ;-) -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 2.00.18 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Another This posting violated the list rules regarding top posting?!?
Wednesday, October 1, 2003, 9:10:41 AM, you wrote: [] I've had this same conversation with Yuki off-list. Marck, Allie and I have been moderating the TB lists for ages now. We've just about tried every form and fashion of moderation known to mankind, and we stick with what works for us over the years. [] I've frequented a *lot* of help lists over the years (because I usually need a *LOT* of help), and this one could, or should, be the prototype on how to run one efficiently. I even moderate a few lists myself. And I definitely give it a two thumbs up these days! If I had a third thumb, you'd get that one, too. Keep up the great work, guys! You'll never make everyone 100% happy, but you're getting close enough for government work. -- Best regards, Jack Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Another This posting violated the list rules regarding top posting?!?
Hallo Jack, On Wed, 1 Oct 2003 14:10:28 -0500GMT (1-10-03, 21:10 +0200, where I live), you wrote: JM I've frequented a *lot* of help lists over the years (because I usually JM need a *LOT* of help), and this one could, or should, be the prototype on JM how to run one efficiently. Okay, admit it. How much did they pay you. ;-) -- Groetjes, Roelof Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Another This posting violated the list rules regarding top posting?!?
Hello Jack, Wednesday, October 1, 2003, 1:10:28 PM, you wrote: JM If I had a third thumb, you'd get that one, too. Thanks... grin JM Keep up the great work, guys! You'll never make everyone 100% JM happy, but you're getting close enough for government work. Since I work for the gov't that makes it just fine! ;-) -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 2.00.22 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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At 3:52 PM on 10/1/2003, Melissa Reese typed ... M By the way...shouldn't this thread be moved to TBOT? ;-) No thread praising the administrators should moved anywhere. -- Bill Blinn Technology Editor ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - 10/1/2003 at 4:20 PM Technology Editor, Newsradio 610 WTVN, Columbus, Ohio Using The Bat! v2.00.6 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Random thought: Do not put statements in the negative form. Location: 40.1054688°N 83.0212173°W (approximately) Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Another This posting violated the list rules regarding top posting?!?
Wednesday, October 1, 2003, 2:43:24 PM, you wrote: Hallo Jack, On Wed, 1 Oct 2003 14:10:28 -0500GMT (1-10-03, 21:10 +0200, where I live), you wrote: JM I've frequented a *lot* of help lists over the years (because I usually JM need a *LOT* of help), and this one could, or should, be the prototype on JM how to run one efficiently. Okay, admit it. How much did they pay you. ;-) Unlimited free upgrades, a subscription to Skeptic Magazine, a mixed fruit and cheese basket, and, of course, a promise never to bounce me. :) -- Best regards, Jack Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
OT: Another This posting violated the list rules regarding top posting?!?
Hello Melissa, Wednesday, October 1, 2003, 1:52:30 PM, you wrote: MR When it comes to typing, some of us are all thumbs...so I'll add MR my extra thumbs to yours! :-) MR By the way...shouldn't this thread be moved to TBOT? ;-) True enough Not that I think anybody would like to move to TBOT just to sing our praises! grin moderator This thread is moving into the Off-Topic realm. Please continue this on TBOT (this message has been CC'd to the TBOT list to maintain threading.) You can subscribe to TBOT by sending a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank you. /moderator -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 2.00.22 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Another This posting violated the list rules regarding top posting?!?
Wednesday, October 1, 2003, 2:40:22 PM, you wrote: JM Keep up the great work, guys! You'll never make everyone 100% JM happy, but you're getting close enough for government work. Since I work for the gov't that makes it just fine! ;-) I should probably quit while I'm ahead, eh? :) -- Best regards, Jack Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: OT: Another This posting violated the list rules regarding top posting?!?
This thread is moving into the Off-Topic realm. Please continue this on TBOT (this message has been CC'd to the TBOT list to maintain threading.) Point taken - but to those who don't follow TBOT, I'd like to say: Please spank me no more! Weeeny! I am a repentant! Have Mercy! :) -- St Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: OT: Another This posting violated the list rules regarding top posting?!?
Hello St, Wednesday, October 1, 2003, 3:05:47 PM, you wrote: SMN Point taken - but to those who don't follow TBOT, I'd like to SMN say: Please spank me no more! Weeeny! I am a repentant! Have SMN Mercy! :) Sorry, gotta do it one more time... The sig delimiter is: dash dash space It looks like you're missing the space afterwards. It's gotta be there. :-) moderator This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out St. Please include a signature delimiter in your messages. This consists of a dashdashspacereturn, i.e., a '-- ' by itself on a line. This allows your readers, when replying, to quote your text without the signature and list footers since everything below and including the sig delimiter is excluded when quoting. You can easily automate this process by including the sig delimiter in your templates. Thank you. /moderator -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 2.00.22 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Mod: Top posting (was: Screen readers and TheBat)
Hi Pranav, @01-Oct-2003, 04:42 +0530 (00:12 UK time) Pranav Lal said: Have you tried reclassifying the folder list? moderator Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Pranav. This posting violated the list rules regarding top posting. Top posting, i.e., typing all your reply text at the top of your message and following it with all quoted text below, is not encouraged and we actually request that you not do so on this list because a) It makes it difficult to glean context from what you typed at the top of the message and b) It encourages excessive quoting. We would much prefer if you quote just that much of the message to which you're replying, so we know what it is you're referring to, and then below the quotation, type your response. If you're responding to more than one part of the original, then quote each part separately and follow each part with your response. Now, I know that you may not personally prefer this format and that you may disagree with some of the reasoning here. We very much respect this. However, this is the format that most of the active members here prefer and all members are expected, and are being asked to use the format that will make most of the active membership here comfortable reading. You'll likely get a more responsive group when you post using a style that is comfortable for them to read and understand. Thank you. /moderator -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.00.22 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Another This posting violated the list rules regarding top posting?!?
Why is it that each time someone violated the list rules regarding top posting then the rest of us are punished with that extra error message that apparently was meant for mr. Don T. Feelsingledout?!? Why these repetitve instructions?!? / St Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Another This posting violated the list rules regarding top posting?!?
At 8:38 PM on 9/30/2003, the otherwise nameless St at Musaic.Net typed ... S Why these repetitve instructions?!? I do not speak for the list owners of this list, but I think I understand where they're coming from. As a list owner, there is one thing I never, ever, do -- and that is question the operating methods of a list owner. I imagine the administrators feel that public reminders are worthwhile. The problem with lists is that when people see something done wrong and no correction is issued on the list, the lesson learned is that the inappropriate behavior is correct and accepted. These reminder messages follow a format, so it's a trivial exercise in filter building to create a filter that eliminates them before they can bother you. I haven't done this because TBUDL is a low-volume, on-topic list and because it's easy to hit the DEL key a little faster than usual once or twice a day when one of these reminders shows up. -- Bill Blinn Technology Editor ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - 9/30/2003 at 8:42 PM Technology Editor, Newsradio 610 WTVN, Columbus, Ohio Using The Bat! v2.00.6 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Random thought: Learning French is trivial: The word for horse is cheval and everything else follows in the same way. Featured speaker at PowerPoint Live - Tucson, Arizona October 12-15, 2003 - http://www.pptlive.com/ Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Another This posting violated the list rules regarding top posting?!?
Hi Bill, @30-Sep-2003, 20:48 -0400 (01-Oct 01:48 UK time) Bill Blinn Technology Editor [BB] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to St: BB The problem with lists is that when people see something done BB wrong and no correction is issued on the list, the lesson BB learned is that the inappropriate behavior is correct and BB accepted. This posting benefits greatly from nail-on-the-head syndrome. That is *precisely* why all rule-break moderation is done on-list. There is another reason though. When the moderators don't step in visibly, 100+ irate member sure 'nuff will. What would you prefer? One post from a moderator or a free for all of admonishments from any offended party? I actually resigned from a list for the moderator refusing to perform on-list moderation. It makes no sense at any level. The third explanation is that we're just a bunch power hungry megalomaniacs who love to see our admonishments hurled around the planet in the form of irate electrons. But, hey, aren't we all? At heart? I mean, c'mon fellas (and fella-ettes)! -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.00.22 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Mod: Top Posting (was: Fwd: Re: Spam)
Paul Berger, [PB] wrote: PB This leaves everything else to sit in the InBox. Here you can giv it PB a quick glance before deleting the lot. moderator Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Paul. This posting violated the list rules regarding top posting. Top posting, i.e., typing all your reply text at the top of your message and following it with all quoted text below, is not encouraged and we actually request that you not do so on this list because a) It makes it difficult to glean context from what you typed at the top of the message and b) It encourages excessive quoting. We would much prefer if you quote just that much of the message to which you're replying, so we know what it is you're referring to, and then below the quotation, type your response. If you're responding to more than one parts of the original, then quote each part separately and follow each part with your response. Now, I know that you may not personally prefer this format and that you may disagree with some of the reasoning here. We very much respect this. However, this is the format that most of the active members here prefer and all members are expected, and are being asked to use the format that will make most of the active membership here comfortable reading. You'll likely get a more responsive group when you post using a style that is comfortable for them to read and understand. Thanks very much for reading. :) /moderator -- -= allie_M =- | List Moderator PGPKeys: http://www.ac-martin.com/pgpkeys.html _ pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Mod: Top posting (was: Application error when clicking on a particular help topic)
Hi Pranav, @25-Sep-2003, 12:15 +0530 (07:45 UK time) Pranav Lal said: I am sending a text dump of the screen. ... snip moderator Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Pranav. This posting violated the list rules regarding top posting. Top posting, i.e., typing all your reply text at the top of your message and following it with all quoted text below, is not encouraged and we actually request that you not do so on this list because a) It makes it difficult to glean context from what you typed at the top of the message and b) It encourages excessive quoting. We would much prefer if you quote just that much of the message to which you're replying, so we know what it is you're referring to, and then below the quotation, type your response. If you're responding to more than one part of the original, then quote each part separately and follow each part with your response. Now, I know that you may not personally prefer this format and that you may disagree with some of the reasoning here. We very much respect this. However, this is the format that most of the active members here prefer and all members are expected, and are being asked to use the format that will make most of the active membership here comfortable reading. You'll likely get a more responsive group when you post using a style that is comfortable for them to read and understand. Thank you. /moderator -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.00.6 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Mod: Top posting (was: IMAP converted to POP on install.)
Hi Olena, @10-Sep-2003, 21:34 -0600 (04:34 UK time) Olena [O] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck: MDP Not quite. Before installing v2, *you* should convert any IMAP MDP accounts to POP3. O One more thing: which metod should I use? Oa) convert any IMAP accounts to POP3 b4 install, or: Yes - to preserve the messages. Unless you don't them anymore, in which case... Ob) delete accounts with IMAP access, and redo them again? ... is fine. moderator Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Olena. This posting violated the list rules regarding top posting. Top posting, i.e., typing all your reply text at the top of your message and following it with all quoted text below, is not encouraged and we actually request that you not do so on this list because a) It makes it difficult to glean context from what you typed at the top of the message and b) It encourages excessive quoting. We would much prefer if you quote just that much of the message to which you're replying, so we know what it is you're referring to, and then below the quotation, type your response. If you're responding to more than one part of the original, then quote each part separately and follow each part with your response. Now, I know that you may not personally prefer this format and that you may disagree with some of the reasoning here. We very much respect this. However, this is the format that most of the active members here prefer and all members are expected, and are being asked to use the format that will make most of the active membership here comfortable reading. You'll likely get a more responsive group when you post using a style that is comfortable for them to read and understand. Thank you. /moderator -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.00.6 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Mod: Top posting (was: IMAP converted to POP on install.)
Wednesday, September 10, 2003, 9:41:03 PM, you wrote: MDP Hi Olena, MDP This posting violated the list rules regarding top posting. MDP Top posting, i.e., typing all your reply text at the top of your MDP message and following it with all quoted text below, is not MDP encouraged and we actually request that you not do so on this list MDP Thank you. MDP /moderator Opps, sorry! : Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Mod: Top posting (was: The Bat 2: PGP and atached file)
Hi Alexander, @4-Sep-2003, 12:42 +0600 (07:42 UK time) Alexander A. Gomanyuk [AAG] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Alexander: AAG more details... everything works fine ONLY between TB2 and TB2 AAG but makes BUG if sending on TB1 or OE moderator Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Alexander. This posting violated the list rules regarding top posting. Top posting, i.e., typing all your reply text at the top of your message and following it with all quoted text below, is not encouraged and we actually request that you not do so on this list because a) It makes it difficult to glean context from what you typed at the top of the message and b) It encourages excessive quoting. We would much prefer if you quote just that much of the message to which you're replying, so we know what it is you're referring to, and then below the quotation, type your response. If you're responding to more than one part of the original, then quote each part separately and follow each part with your response. Now, I know that you may not personally prefer this format and that you may disagree with some of the reasoning here. We very much respect this. However, this is the format that most of the active members here prefer and all members are expected, and are being asked to use the format that will make most of the active membership here comfortable reading. You'll likely get a more responsive group when you post using a style that is comfortable for them to read and understand. Thank you. /moderator ... and the answer is - it's not a bug. It's the inability of v1 and OE to comprehend PGP/MIME. v2 has *optional* PGP/MIME that kicks in when there are 8 bit characters in the message body, lines ending with space characters or attachments. PGP/MIME can be turned off in the menu and by using the %nopgpmime macro in templates. -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.00 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Mod: Top posting (was: The Bat 2: PGP and atached file)
04.09.2003, U wrote: Hi Alexander, @4-Sep-2003, 12:42 +0600 (07:42 UK time) Alexander A. Gomanyuk [AAG] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Alexander: AAG more details... everything works fine ONLY between TB2 and TB2 AAG but makes BUG if sending on TB1 or OE [skiped] ... and the answer is - it's not a bug. It's the inability of v1 and OE to comprehend PGP/MIME. v2 has *optional* PGP/MIME that kicks in when there are 8 bit characters in the message body, lines ending with space characters or attachments. PGP/MIME can be turned off in the menu and by using the %nopgpmime macro in templates. Thank U very much, Marck! i DO appreciate You! And please forgive me for breaking list's rules. And would U clarify, how i can disable PGP/MIME for ALL messages withou using macros ? I mean that every message have menu with PGP/MIME in Auto. How i can make, that PGP/MIME to be off by default without macros? Regards, AG Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hi Alexander, @4-Sep-2003, 17:18 +0600 (12:18 UK time) Alexander A. Gomanyuk [AAG] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck: ... and the answer is - it's not a bug. It's the inability of v1 and OE to comprehend PGP/MIME. ... ... snip AAG How i can make, that PGP/MIME to be off by default without AAG macros? It's not possible. You should put %nopgpmime in your default templates. I don't find this a problem since I drive all of my TB output through templates. It's a bit of a job to go through and make sure the right templates have the right new pgp options, but it's worth it. -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.00 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Mod: Top posting (was: Spam)
Hi David, @4-Sep-2003, 08:29 -0400 (13:29 UK time) David R. Austen [DRA] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Paul: DRA Programs like ChoiceMail (CM) stop any unknown sender from ever DRA reaching The Bat's Inbox. moderator Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out David. This posting violated the list rules regarding top posting. Top posting, i.e., typing all your reply text at the top of your message and following it with all quoted text below, is not encouraged and we actually request that you not do so on this list because a) It makes it difficult to glean context from what you typed at the top of the message and b) It encourages excessive quoting. We would much prefer if you quote just that much of the message to which you're replying, so we know what it is you're referring to, and then below the quotation, type your response. If you're responding to more than one part of the original, then quote each part separately and follow each part with your response. Now, I know that you may not personally prefer this format and that you may disagree with some of the reasoning here. We very much respect this. However, this is the format that most of the active members here prefer and all members are expected, and are being asked to use the format that will make most of the active membership here comfortable reading. You'll likely get a more responsive group when you post using a style that is comfortable for them to read and understand. Thank you. /moderator -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.00 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Mod: Top Posting (was: How to register -- page not found?)
Archy, [A] wrote: A try this one, It works for me moderator Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out ArchY. This posting violated the list rules regarding top posting. Top posting, i.e., typing all your reply text at the top of your message and following it with all quoted text below, is not encouraged and we actually request that you not do so on this list because a) It makes it difficult to glean context from what you typed at the top of the message and b) It encourages excessive quoting. We would much prefer if you quote just that much of the message to which you're replying, so we know what it is you're referring to, and then below the quotation, type your response. If you're responding to more than one parts of the original, then quote each part separately and follow each part with your response. Now, I know that you may not personally prefer this format and that you may disagree with some of the reasoning here. We very much respect this. However, this is the format that most of the active members here prefer and all members are expected, and are being asked to use the format that will make most of the active membership here comfortable reading. You'll likely get a more responsive group when you post using a style that is comfortable for them to read and understand. Thanks very much for reading. :) /moderator -- -= allie_M =- | List Moderator PGPKeys: http://www.ac-martin.com/pgpkeys.html _ pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Top posting
Hello Kevin, Thursday, July 3, 2003, 11:01:06 PM, you wrote: KC In Bat groups like this, including the mid:; line helps if KC someone didn't see the original post and wants to read it in its KC entirety. For the, err, fanatics of TB like us who do keep all the messages, I totally agree with the mid: concept. However, I'm pretty sure (just guessing here) that the majority of the list subscribers do not keep all the messages, and that's where mid: fails. Now if we could just get the archive tweaked where mids could be gotten from there, then life would be good! Grin KC When emailing someone's cell phone address I purposefully keep it KC short and simple and eliminate extraneous things like my signature KC line. Absolutely. I have special address book templates for recipients on cell phones and such so that all they get is my message (sans sig) or my reply (sans quotes and sig). And I agree with your comment on reading mailing lists using those devices. Even with my Palm Pilot m515, I don't synch any of my mailing lists. For one, there's too much volume, and two, it's not worth the hassle IMHO. -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 1.63 Beta/10 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Top posting
Hello Leif, On Mon, 7 Jul 2003 08:18:34 -0600 GMT (07/07/03, 21:18 +0700 GMT), Leif Gregory wrote: For the, err, fanatics of TB like us who do keep all the messages, I totally agree with the mid: concept. However, I'm pretty sure (just guessing here) that the majority of the list subscribers do not keep all the messages, and that's where mid: fails. OK, now here are my two-pence worth: On a mailing list like this one, inline quoting is my preferred way of replying as well reading. But there are other circumstances. We discussed earlier certain business environments in which I think top posting with full quote makes sense, but I am now on an academic mailing list where top posting is the rule. Not only that, most replies come in by PM, people offer help and mean this personally. What follows is a conversation ruled by top posting. It is a very low-traffic mailing list. But it also fosters personal contacts, which in the academic world are important. I am thus in touch with professors from around the world helping me with my little problem. I don't mind the general top-posting, and I go along with it. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Was langsam faehrt, hat einen Hut. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.63 Beta/5 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Top posting
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Leif, On Monday, July 07, 2003 at 08:18 GMT -0600, Leif Gregory [LG] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : KC In Bat groups like this, including the mid:; line helps ... LG For the, err, fanatics of TB like us who do keep all the messages, LG I totally agree with the mid: concept. However, I'm pretty sure LG (just guessing here) that the majority of the list subscribers do LG not keep all the messages, and that's where mid: fails. Yes, one does have to keep all the messages. I don't tend to do that in all of the lists. Whenever a new beta is released, I usually keep everything for awhile in TBBeta and the mid:; certainly makes referencing a snap .. assuming the poster includes one. :) LG Now if we could just get the archive tweaked where mids could be LG gotten from there, then life would be good! Grin I haven't had to use the archives in awhile, but your idea sounds quite useful. KC When emailing someone's cell phone address I purposefully keep it KC short and simple and eliminate extraneous things like my KC signature line. LG Absolutely. I have special address book templates for recipients LG on cell phones and such so that all they get is my message (sans LG sig) or my reply (sans quotes and sig). Normally I just call my acquaintances or leave them voice mail. Occasionally a quick message is best. I just hope that the spammers don't ruin that media as well. LG And I agree with your comment on reading mailing lists using those LG devices. Even with my Palm Pilot m515, I don't synch any of my LG mailing lists. For one, there's too much volume, and two, it's not LG worth the hassle IMHO. I don't own a palm device, but I do see their merit. I just wouldn't have time to use one at work but friends who are in sales find them indispensable. So does that mean you wont be downloading any binary mp3s from the usenet newsgroups? hehehe - -- Kevin Coates Dewitt, NY USA Using TB! v1.63 Beta/11 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP1 . -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQE/C2JRRbTFvUNHmLkRAkhwAKDUpTZs3akdlaDeeZAQQ8l2QrTDBQCgrsK8 lk2sBwXlMKKwrVmlbfEFvxI= =HLrW -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Top posting
Hallo Kenneth, On Thu, 3 Jul 2003 17:36:30 -0400GMT (3-7-03, 23:36 +0200, where I live), you wrote: KSR I have to say in this situation, I definitely prefer top posting KSR over bottom posting I'd prefer trimming quotes above top posting. I might be generalizing, but I've never received a top posted message with trimmed quotes. What I receive on a regular base are messages like this: ,- [ ] | Yes | 2 | Tomorrow | | Followed by a fully quoted message containing three questions. `- And to be honest that sucks. That would even suck on a five lines screen, since you need to scroll down to find the message. Unless of course you still know what message you sent. But since I've got a rather large output of messages and some of them top posters take their time before checking their mail, there's no way that I'm going to know for all messages what I asked, let alone the sequence of my questions (Presuming my questions get answered in the same sequence). BTW You started your question as an answer to another thread. That's not the best thing to do for the following reason. The Bat is able to thread messages properly, in order to see what I mean, just select the folder where you're storing the messages from this list. Go to the menu: view - view threads by - references. Now you'll see that all messages are lined up after the message to which they're first, second (or whatever) level replies to. You started what's essentially a new thread by replying to another message. That means it shows up as listed in another thread. Since people sometimes skip messages in threads they don't consider interesting (for lack of time). They might skip your message too, since they're not aware of the newly started thread. So next time you'd do yourself a favor by sending a new message in stead of a reply, because you're reaching a larger audience and one of those might have the answer you've been waiting for. This is not not meant to criticize you, but only to help you appreciate the options TB offers and to be able to get more effect out of your efforts. -- Groetjes, Roelof Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Roelof, ,- [ ] | Yes | 2 | Tomorrow | | Followed by a fully quoted message containing three questions. `- And to be honest that sucks. I get many of those everyday, most of my work related e-mail. As I have said before on this list, that is very common in business e-mail, at least between the people I deal with from different countries around the world. I will not say it is better or worse because that can't be established objectively. You get used to it, that's all, and very rarely you need to scroll down to the quoted message(s). Yes, many times the whole conversation is quoted. A waste of bandwidth? Yes, but many people prefer to waste bandwidth than waste time trimming and formatting. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.62i Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Top posting
ON Friday, July 4, 2003, 11:12:37 AM, you wrote: RO I'd prefer trimming quotes above top posting. I might be generalizing, RO but I've never received a top posted message with trimmed quotes. What RO I receive on a regular base are messages like this: RO ,- [ ] RO | Yes RO | 2 RO | Tomorrow RO | RO | Followed by a fully quoted message containing three questions. RO `- Hi Roelof, Bad behavior doesn't get any more palatable wether you do it in top or bottom posting. I find that on list people are better behaved and bottom posting is workable but with all the business mail I receive and people not interested in how their mail looks I prefer top posting because all the crap is not on my screen :-) -- Best regards, Gerard -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= As ball-striking skills improve, it becomes a greater challenge to love putting and the short game and to maintain a positive attitude toward them. Using The Bat! v1.62q on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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For business email I top post simply because I fear people won't read everything I've written otherwise! Doug Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello MAU, I get many of those everyday, And I forgot to say that I do send them too :-) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.62i Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Top posting
Hello Roelof, Friday, July 4, 2003, 5:12:37 AM, you wrote: RO I'd prefer trimming quotes above top posting. I might be generalizing, RO but I've never received a top posted message with trimmed quotes. What RO I receive on a regular base are messages like this: RO ,- [ ] RO | Yes RO | 2 RO | Tomorrow RO | RO | Followed by a fully quoted message containing three questions. RO `- RO And to be honest that sucks. That would even suck on a five lines RO screen, since you need to scroll down to find the message. Yes, I've seen a lot of those. Actually, with sender, subject and top five lines, I can pretty much figure out what it's for. However, with this was reversed, I would not have known, he/she wanted to see me at 2 tomorrow w/o having to retrieve the whole message. With a slower connection (GPRS is supposed to be 56K, but I have never gotten anything that close), it would take me more time to download the whole message. If a lot of people did this (and they do), I would be waiting for the message download for a long time. RO BTW You started your question as an answer to another thread. That's RO not the best thing to do for the following reason. Yes, sorry about that. I've always forget that you have to start a new message rather than reply and change the subject/body. Thanks. -- Best regards, Kennethmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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* Kenneth S. Rhee [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [ some strange people seem to prefer top postings ] This has to do with a group of us who also access our e-mails using cell phones or smart phones (CDMA or GPRS). I as a general rule, do not download the full message but first 5 to 10 lines or a small size (2 K) in order to save time and bandwidth in my smartphone. If you want to communicate and don't have enough bandwidth ... --/.-/-.--/-.../. -.--/---/..- ...//---/..-/.-../-.. -/.-./-.-- .../---/--/. -././.-- ---/.-../-.. -/.-./.-/-./.../..-././.-. ./-./-.-./---/-../../-./--./... .-.-.-/.-.-.-/.-.-.- :-) -- Carsten Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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04-Jul-2003 07:11, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You couldn't separate me from my Palm ...just imagine all the blood spilling around! SCNR -- Best regards, neurowerx (http://www.neurowerx.de) Freedom is not an essential and basic condition for the growth of science; the care and diligence of government authorities are the most important conditions for this development. -- Vasili N. Tatishchev Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Carsten, Friday, July 4, 2003, 8:39:09 AM, you wrote: CT If you want to communicate and don't have enough bandwidth ... CT --/.-/-.--/-.../. -.--/---/..- ...//---/..-/.-../-.. -/.-./-.-- CT .../---/--/. -././.-- ---/.-../-.. -/.-./.-/-./.../..-././.-. CT ./-./-.-./---/-../../-./--./... .-.-.-/.-.-.-/.-.-.- CT :-) Very funny, but it's really not. Some of us do pay for bandwidth when we use our Smartphones. -- Best regards, Kennethmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Wayne, you wrote: You couldn't separate me from my Palm, but I never saw an advantage of using it for email. I use it for about everything else though! What kind of stuff do you use it for? -- John Morse pagemaker -at- semo -dot- net Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Kenneth, On Fri, 4 Jul 2003 01:22:53 -0400 GMT (04/07/03, 12:22 +0700 GMT), Kenneth S. Rhee wrote: I think we are getting off topic here, and I'll stop here. ACK. My reply is on TBOT. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. The trouble with doing something right the first time is that nobody appreciates how difficult it was. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.63 Beta/5 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Top posting
* Kenneth S. Rhee [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hello Carsten, Friday, July 4, 2003, 8:39:09 AM, you wrote: If you want to communicate and don't have enough bandwidth ... --/.-/-.--/-.../. -.--/---/..- ...//---/..-/.-../-.. -/.-./-.-- .../---/--/. -././.-- ---/.-../-.. -/.-./.-/-./.../..-././.-. ¯¯¯\ Strange, when I received my own message there were only two dots. I thought I made a mistake but now I see that you quote three dots. Huh? ./-./-.-./---/-../../-./--./... .-.-.-/.-.-.-/.-.-.- Very funny, but it's really not. Some of us do pay for bandwidth I do also pay for bandwidth. when we use our Smartphones. Then don't blame (I know you actually didn't) other people. If you don't have enough bandwidth then you should start to change *your* way of reading mail when you are on the road. Fetching or downloading mails (aka POP3) isn't a very clever way to read mails when using such equipment. * Don't these toys give you access to a webmail application via a builtin browser or can't you install a ssh client[1] on them? * Can't you use IMAP? That means reading mails online and downloading only those mails that you want to. What applications do you use on Smartphones? * etc. etc. [1] together with screen and a non-gui mailer like mutt a very powerful combination -- Carsten Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Carsten, Friday, July 4, 2003, 2:16:10 PM, you wrote: CT Don't these toys give you access to a webmail application via a CT builtin browser or can't you install a ssh client[1] on them? CT * Can't you use IMAP? That means reading mails online and downloading CT only those mails that you want to. What applications do you use on CT Smartphones? Any time you use the data service, you get charged. There are monthly flat fees, but if you go over the assigned time or data bytes, they charge you an exorbitant amount per usage. I try not to go over my monthly allotment, and therefore do not download full messages. It also saves time as well. -- Best regards, Kennethmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Top posting
On Friday, 4 July 2003, at 9:36:30 a.m., Kenneth S. Rhee wrote: ...discussion on top versus bottom (or strategic) posting. ... e-mails using cell phones or smart phones... Aren't we missing the point here? The discussion was regarding *this* mailing list. Given that TB! is not available on cell phones yet isn't this whole discussion superfluous? Or, at the very least OT? -- Regards, Allister. Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Top posting
If I remember, there was a spirited discussion on top versus bottom (or strategic) posting. The forum guideline and the general consensus on this forum was that the bottom posting is more logical and preferred. I was monitoring another listserver today, and there seems to be another thought that's percolating. This has to do with a group of us who also access our e-mails using cell phones or smart phones (CDMA or GPRS). I as a general rule, do not download the full message but first 5 to 10 lines or a small size (2 K) in order to save time and bandwidth in my smartphone. I have to say in this situation, I definitely prefer top posting over bottom posting (or I appreciate people who use top posting), and that seems to be a consensus in that group. Perhaps as more of us migrate over to such technology, perhaps the guideline might needs to be modified somewhat or we cannot frown on others who might prefer top posting over bottom posting. Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Top posting
Hello Kenneth, Thursday, July 3, 2003, 3:36:30 PM, you wrote: KSR Perhaps as more of us migrate over to such technology, perhaps KSR the guideline might needs to be modified somewhat or we cannot KSR frown on others who might prefer top posting over bottom posting. Or better yet... If people would trim their quotes. -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 1.63 Beta/10 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Top posting
Hello Leif, Thursday, July 3, 2003, 5:42:19 PM, you wrote: LG Or better yet... If people would trim their quotes. I would second that. . . -- Best regards, Kennethmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Top posting
Hello Kenneth, On Thu, 3 Jul 2003 17:36:30 -0400 GMT (04/07/03, 04:36 +0700 GMT), Kenneth S. Rhee wrote: If I remember, there was a spirited discussion on top versus bottom (or strategic) posting. The forum guideline and the general consensus on this forum was that the bottom posting is more logical and preferred. Inline quoting, rather... I was monitoring another listserver today, and there seems to be another thought that's percolating. This has to do with a group of us who also access our e-mails using cell phones or smart phones (CDMA or GPRS). I am surprised about this. I had a feeling laptop computers are getting out fashion, for several reasons: 1.) They are heavy to carry around with. 2.) If I cannot be reached for a few hours or a day, the business won't die. This is not the 90s and stock-brokers any more. In case of really urgent matters, there are always mobile phones. 3.) If I am on a business trip for a few days, I can check my email in the hotel's business center, or at an internet cafe, once a day. Is the US different? Why on earth would you need to check your email with a mobile phone connection? I am not saying you shouldn't, it's just that I don't understand the reason why. Perhaps as more of us migrate over to such technology, perhaps the guideline might needs to be modified somewhat or we cannot frown on others who might prefer top posting over bottom posting. I see your point but am amazed that you see more and more people migrating *to* that technology. I would have thought it's very nineties. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Deine Stereoanlage hat aber viele Knoepfe! - Na, ja, mit Reissverschluss saehe sie ja auch ziemlich bloed aus. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.63 Beta/5 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Thomas, Friday, July 4, 2003, 12:30:05 AM, you wrote: TF I see your point but am amazed that you see more and more people TF migrating *to* that technology. I would have thought it's very TF nineties. Actually smartphones are 21st century technology (cell + PDA). The first popular PDA didn't come about till 1996, and the first combination smartphone didn't hit the market till 2000. It's probably the device everyone will be using ten years from now (could be sooner according to some analysts). -- Best regards, Kennethmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Top posting
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Kenneth, On Thursday, July 03, 2003 at 17:36 GMT -0400, Kenneth S. Rhee [KSR] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : KSR ... I definitely prefer top posting over bottom posting (or I KSR appreciate people who use top posting), and that seems to be a KSR consensus in that group. I still prefer inserting new text following trimmed segments of quoted text to help refresh one's memory of the original discussion. In Bat groups like this, including the mid:; line helps if someone didn't see the original post and wants to read it in its entirety. Top posting or bottom posting, IMHO, wastes bandwidth and forces one to hop back and forth between the new message and the old text, sometimes repeatedly, to follow the writer's train of thought. KSR Perhaps as more of us migrate over to such technology, perhaps KSR the guideline might needs to be modified somewhat or we cannot KSR frown on others who might prefer top posting over bottom posting. When emailing someone's cell phone address I purposefully keep it short and simple and eliminate extraneous things like my signature line. I don't think reading mailing lists like this is a cell phone or PDAs forte. It doesn't seem reasonable to have everyone tailor posting to accommodate these devices when most participants read this group via PC. Private email is another matter. - -- Kevin Coates Dewitt, NY USA Using TB! v1.63 Beta/11 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP1 . -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQE/BQoT0srUtrrvVaERAtonAKCQ2FRvn1TPVSfxE7VMoygkP2pfsQCfUYHg bJLLFd0xuuzF5Qr6ChhP+OA= =obMJ -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Top posting
Hello Kenneth, On Fri, 4 Jul 2003 00:49:22 -0400 GMT (04/07/03, 11:49 +0700 GMT), Kenneth S. Rhee wrote: Actually smartphones are 21st century technology (cell + PDA). The first popular PDA didn't come about till 1996, and the first combination smartphone didn't hit the market till 2000. I have friends in both Europe and Asia who used PDAs. In the beginning, they were in love with their news toys, but each and every one of them has thrown them into a corner after an average of 2 years or so. Yes, I have seen one guy recentlywith what looked like a very huge mobile phone with which he could also do other things. Looked bulky and uncomfortable to me. Also, I fail to see why someone needs to be reachable by email while in an airport departure hall. If anything is urgent, call. There is also SMS, which is so widely used nowadays, that it has become one of the important sources of income for the GSM companies. If you really have to see an attached file, I cannot fathom why it couldn't wait a few hours (short of being a stock-broker). It's probably the device everyone will be using ten years from now (could be sooner according to some analysts). Not over here, I can assure you. But the US may be different. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Enough about *me*; what do *you* think about me? Message reply created with The Bat! 1.63 Beta/5 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Top posting
Hello Kevin, On Friday, July 4, 2003, at 1:01:06 AM, you wrote re: Top posting: KC Top posting or bottom posting, IMHO, wastes bandwidth and forces one KC to hop back and forth between the new message and the old text, KC sometimes repeatedly, to follow the writer's train of thought. This is only true if you're not reading the messages as threads. -- Peace! Wayne Howard Another world is indeed possible! www.natcap.org Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Top posting
Hello Thomas, On Friday, July 4, 2003, at 1:06:15 AM, you wrote re: Top posting: TF I have friends in both Europe and Asia who used PDAs. In the TF beginning, they were in love with their news toys, but each and every TF one of them has thrown them into a corner after an average of 2 years TF or so. You couldn't separate me from my Palm, but I never saw an advantage of using it for email. I use it for about everything else though! -- Peace! Wayne Howard Another world is indeed possible! www.natcap.org Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Top posting
Hello Thomas, Friday, July 4, 2003, 1:06:15 AM, you wrote: TF Yes, I have seen one guy recentlywith what looked like a very huge TF mobile phone with which he could also do other things. Looked bulky TF and uncomfortable to me. Also, I fail to see why someone needs to be TF reachable by email while in an airport departure hall. If anything is TF urgent, call. There is also SMS, which is so widely used nowadays, TF that it has become one of the important sources of income for the GSM TF companies. If you really have to see an attached file, I cannot fathom TF why it couldn't wait a few hours (short of being a stock-broker). You probably haven't tried the Treo. I carry it in my pants' pocket, and most of the time, I don't even notice I have it with me. Also the new Treo 600 is much slimmer than the current Treo. It's one device that pretty much does all. Yes, SMS is nice, but you can't send a long message though. The Treo also handles SMS as well. When I was in the airport the other day, I wrote a couple of e-mails to my colleagues and sent them and checked my e-mails, and deleted most of the ones I don't need off the server. I do this when I'm away from office, and this way I don't have to deal with hundreds of messages when I return to my office. Most of folks I know who have used one of these devices would not trade it once they started using it. Going back to a regular cell phone to me is unthinkable. I think we are getting off topic here, and I'll stop here. -- Best regards, Kennethmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Removing top posting--how?
Hello Barry2, On Mon, 21 Oct 2002 18:04:55 +0100 GMT (22/10/02, 00:04 +0700 GMT), Barry2 wrote: Question - would that make TB! the virus writer's target of choice too... ?? I don't think so, because TB just doesn't have the makret share to give enough fun to the virus-writers. But then again, let them try. Any virus that comes in will be an attachment, and I get suspicious very quickly. ;-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. 99 percent of lawyers give the rest a bad name. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta6 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[4]: Removing top posting--how?
Hello Anne, Monday, October 21, 2002, 3:44:24 AM, you wrote: A Additionally, step-by-step instructions for setting up the basic A parts of the program would be good - e.g. we did one for setting up A the mail dispatcher which has been sent to various TB new users as A a guide to how to make it work. These sorts of things on a website A would be really useful resources. As the 'other half' of this 'we' I have to agree ( not for that reason either !! ) that the response to our simple instructions was terrific. I'm sure this would do far more to promote the cause of TB! as the e-mail client of choice for the technically un-savvy user. Question - would that make TB! the virus writer's target of choice too... ?? -- Best regards, Barry2 Using The Bat! v1.61 on Windows 98 4.10 Build Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: Removing top posting--how?
Walt wrote: WN Hello Mary Walt, I didn't check the To: field when I replied to your Post to me on the List, and ended up accidentally sending the Reply to you privately. I really did want to tell the List I am friends with everyone on it, and thank them all for their welcome and support. Didn't know how to manage the re-send, after I figured out what I'd done, so I set it up again in Reply. Below is the answer I sent you: MB Hi, Walt, WN Re your message: Removing top posting--how? WN On Friday, October 18, 2002 at 21:21:41, Mary Bull said, more or less, the following: MB ...I am a true newbie... WN ... Try not to let them offend you too much. ... MB The moderator and I have made friends. No sense in throwing out the MB baby with the bath water. (American idiom.) It was just a matter of MB clashing communication styles, and I understand the moderators are in MB the process of moderating the Macros (or to use an old newspaper MB term, boilerplate) so they will have less chance of someone else MB mis-perceiving the intent, as I did, when I arrived for the first time MB on the List. Thanks for sending me so much support. -- Mary Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: Removing top posting--how?
Saturday, October 19, 2002, 8:15:23 PM,myob wrote: m Hello Scott, m Saturday, October 19, 2002, 8:10:39 PM, you wrote: SM How about this: we sit down and agree on a set of templates, etc., SM that should be offered to newbies m which appeals to this newbie. An excellent suggstion and one I'd welcome even as a not-quite- so-newbie! :-) Additionally, step-by-step instructions for setting up the basic parts of the program would be good - e.g. we did one for setting up the mail dispatcher which has been sent to various TB new users as a guide to how to make it work. These sorts of things on a website would be really useful resources. -- Cheers, Anne Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Removing top posting--how?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Anne, 21-Oct-2002, 04:29 Anne [A] in mid:92139992380.20021021042920;gmx.co.uk said: A Yes please Marck - that'd be very useful. Shall I mail you the A dispatcher one offlist to have a look through? Please. A (BTW I can never get your sig to strip like some of the others do A - is it because you use a PGP signature?) Yes, it is. There are some macro examples on the Macros FAQ and in the Macro Library to cover the stripping of PGP signatures. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.62/Beta6 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1rc1-nr1 (Windows 2000) iD8DBQE9s3dKOeQkq5KdzaARAoppAKD1LNy8uAXyZvcnK1mxA2sDUePCNgCdHD/4 z8h4/bMhPO9/pzaqlb2FEms= =Aydv -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Removing top posting--how?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Anne, 21-Oct-2002, 03:44 Anne [A] in mid:130137295700.20021021034424;gmx.co.uk said: A Additionally, step-by-step instructions for setting up the basic A parts of the program would be good - e.g. we did one for setting A up the mail dispatcher which has been sent to various TB new A users as a guide to how to make it work. These sorts of things on A a website would be really useful resources. I'm perfectly willing to have these added as a Beginners zone of the FAQ if you're interested. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.62/Beta6 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1rc1-nr1 (Windows 2000) iD8DBQE9s29+OeQkq5KdzaARAkuQAJ44Mcqv9u52bt7V7KKbVzb01JTrHACggplZ ejw94/1Ha/ZQSACtbNC1D58= =goZq -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Removing top posting--how?
Hello Leif LG Next time though, you'll get the trout! Another term to puzzle a newbie! Although I've been using TB! for well over a year I've no idea of the origin of this piscatorial reference. -- Regards William Flying with The Bat! 1.61 www.ritlabs.com/the_bat Windows 2000 Pro 2195 Service Pack 2 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Removing top posting--how?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi William, 19-Oct-2002, 09:06 William Moore [WM] in mid:953230104.20021019090620;dsl.pipex.com said: LG Next time though, you'll get the trout! WM Another term to puzzle a newbie! Although I've been using TB! WM for well over a year I've no idea of the origin of this WM piscatorial reference. It was first awarded by Leif to Nick Andriash on July 24th 2000 with the immortal phrase Moderator slaps Nick with a trout. It is a way of conveying a tongue-in-cheek reprimand for a slight transgression. In that instance, Nick had posted the Eudora you have mail WAV file to the list instead of privately. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.62/Beta6 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0-nr2 (Windows 2000) iD8DBQE9sR8gOeQkq5KdzaARAlETAJ41ImMLj2vQgAAK18j1NvlKsn1GJwCgik3j 18X9Z/PgcHDDKTE5J36lbHs= =uJgd -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Removing top posting--how?
Hi Leif, Friday, October 18, 2002, 21:27 -0600 (11:27 PM here) Leif Gregory [LG] in mid:3176395796.20021018212751;pcwize.com said to Mary Bull: LG After you get done playing with Pegasus, come back. We'll leave LG the light on for ya! grin I would like to echo Leif's comments Mary. I used to use Pegasus exclusively. Being one that is always looking for a better mousetrap, I came across TB! a couple of years ago. At first I didn't like it and went back to Pegasus where I said to myself, I'll use Pegasus forever. Well, I was wrong. After several attempts at going back to Pegasus, I now use TB! exclusively. It is absolutely the best email program (IMHO) out there, and trust me I have tried about everyone of them. As a matter of fact, I have Pegasus on my system now although I don't use it. Of course, I have Becky on my system too, but I don't use that either. grin TB! does have a bit of a learning curve, but there are many, many people on this list, especially Marck, that are more than willing to help out. That's what this list is about. So anyway, try Pegasus and if you like it stick with it. If not, try TB! again. The more you use it, the more you'll want to use it... -- Regards, Ron Secord Win2K Pro (SP2) | The Bat! v1.62/Beta6 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
