Re: [tw5] Re: What if SQL statements could be used in TiddlyWiki?

[CJ Veniot]

Arg!  You are absolutely right.  I skipped handling empty fields.

I had imposed on myself a hard 10:30 PM  cutoff time on that first crack at
it, and had not gotten around to validating the result set.

First thing to fix when I get back at it tomorrow.

Thanks !

On Thu, Nov 24, 2022 at 11:39 PM Eric Shulman  wrote:

> This is some interesting stuff!
>
> I notice that in the PDF output, if a tiddler listed in "The record set"
> table doesn't have some fields (or the field value is blank, or two fields
> have exactly the same value), that row of the table omits the corresponding
> cell, rather than showing a blank placeholder cell (or a repeated value if
> two fields have matching values).  The result is that the cells for that
> tiddler don't align with the corresponding field name headings.
>
> Example 1:
> "Interactive Git Documentation by Devin Weaver" has a blank "type" field.
> The result is that the "url" field value is displayed under the "type"
> column heading
>
> Example 2:
> "Simple Zork-like Game by Jed Carty" has the same timestamp for "created"
> and "modified" (20141118143636664).
> The result is that the "modified" field value is omitted from the table,
> and the "text" field value is displayed under the "tags" column heading.
>
> Since I can't look at your code to see what you are doing, I can only
> guess at some possible workarounds for these issues.
>
> I assume you are using some filter syntax to iterate over the fields of a
> tiddler and using something like "get" to retrieve the values
> that are shown in the table cells.  If this is the case, you might try
> using something like "getelse[]", which would ensure that
> empty/missing fields are converted to blank text rather than being
> omitted.  For the duplicate value problem, you might try preceding the
> relevant filter run syntax with "=" to preserve duplicate values in the
> results.
>
> Hope this helps,
> -e
> On Thursday, November 24, 2022 at 6:29:38 PM UTC-8 cj.v...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> select * from Examples
>>
>> Results (preceded by sanity-checks of steps towards result set) in
>> attached PDF.
>>
>> On Thursday, November 24, 2022 at 8:39:39 PM UTC-4 Charlie Veniot wrote:
>>
>>> Working on:  select * from Examples
>>>
>>> Using TiddlyWiki.com
>>>
>>> The tag "Examples" being the table.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, November 24, 2022 at 4:46:34 PM UTC-4 Charlie Veniot wrote:
>>>
 As always, the question of "how would I do that/this in TiddlyWiki"
 just grabs me by the jugular (i.e. it gets all of my attention.)

 Proof of concept prototype pending ...

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Re: [tw5] Re: List not working anymore when I enter // into the text

[CJ Veniot]

Oops.  By any wiki, I do mean any "TiddlyWiki".

What can I say, I like TiddlyWiki so much, I forget about the other ones ...

On Wed, Sep 22, 2021 at 10:29 PM Charlie Veniot  wrote:

> G'day heusmich,
>
> Just a few "//" options.  For the giggles, download attached and drag into
> TiddlyWiki.com (or any wiki) for import of sample tiddler.
>
> Cheers !
>
> On Wednesday, September 22, 2021 at 6:32:53 PM UTC-3 heusmich wrote:
>
>> Hi @all,
>>
>> I´m currently creating a guideline with the help of the list function in
>> a tiddler. That means I use this formatting:
>>
>> * Item 1
>> ** Subitem 1
>> ** Subitem 2
>> * Item 2
>> * Item 3
>> ...
>>
>> Now I want to enter a path to start a steam game as an example (for
>> example the path steam://rungameid/251570). But when I enter this into the
>> text, the list function is not working anymore. This means that all list
>> items above of this link are working but after the link they are all
>> written as text in italic and I can´t see the dots of the list.
>> I found out that the two // are the problem. When I remove one of them,
>> the list is working again.
>> So my question is, can I prevent somehow that the two // are deactivating
>> the list function and creating an italic text? A link to a website 
>> (https://...)
>> can be entered everywhere in the text without any problems...
>>
>> Best regards
>> heusmich
>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Filter tiddlers with exactly one tag.

[CJ Veniot]

[tag[playground]tag[rust]tag[test]tag[two words]]

On Wed, Sep 22, 2021 at 2:52 AM thor...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> I tried to experiment with
> `[enlist{!!tags}sort[]join[,]match[playground,rust,test,two words]]` and
> uploaded the results. `[enlist{!!tags}sort[]join[,]]` returns the same
> thing as `[enlist{!!tags}sort[]join[,]match[playground,rust,test,two
> words]]` from my testing, so I'm not exactly sure what the match is for.
>
> I'm not sure how to combine it with another filter to actually return a
> list of "these tiddlers with exactly these 4 tags". Is there a way to
> do "these tiddlers with exactly these 4 tags and nothing else" filter
> without using a variable (so I can put it into advanced search)?
>
> On Tuesday, September 21, 2021 at 11:29:16 PM UTC-4 Eric Shulman wrote:
>
>> On Tuesday, September 21, 2021 at 7:41:06 PM UTC-7 thor...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I have 10 tiddlers tagged with both `playground` and `rust`
>>> (`[tag[rust]tag[playground]]` returns them all, but _pretend_ that I could
>>> have tiddlers with more than just two tags). In advanced search,
>>> `[field:tags[rust playground]]` returns 3 matches, and
>>> `[field:tags[playground rust]]` returns 7 matches. Meaning that Tiddlywiki
>>> knows the order that I put tags in even though they are sorted when
>>> displayed in the browser. Is there a way to return "exactly these 2 or 3
>>> etc" tags without having to try all permutations of tags?
>>>
>>
>> Let's assume you have FOUR tags: "rust", "playground", "two words", and
>> "test"
>>
>> Try this filter:
>> `[enlist{!!tags}sort[]join[,]match[playground,rust,test,two words]]`
>>
>> Notes:
>> * If a tag contains a space, it is stored with square brackets, e.g.,
>> `[[two words]]`
>> * enlist{!!tags} gets the individual tags as separate items, and any
>> square brackets are removed (but "two words" will still be ONE tag)
>> * next, sort them alphabetically, in ascending order
>> * then join the tags with a comma as a delimiter
>> * and match with literal text containing commas
>>
>> Let me know how it goes.
>>
>> enjoy,
>> -e
>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: "Loud Tones?" on Discourse discussion: talk.tiddlywiki.org

[CJ Veniot]

GG has actually become better for me because of the very much reduced
activity.

So when I have something I think worth contributing, I can contribute via
the GG forum without the challenges of

   - coping with the distracting bells and whistles of discourse
   - the overall design of the discourse site, which I think is best for
   what the great majority wants, but is brutal to me trying to process
   information
   - too many discussions, too many discussion forks within discussions,
   too many people, too many moving pieces
  - these have me trying to process every detail of every little
  thing all at once, so this brain is all over the place like a
little kid in
  a toy or candy store for the first time

And when I'm looking for a little something interesting to immerse myself
in, I can make a short and sweet visit to Discourse, find something I can
tackle, tackle it, and then get out of there right pronto when done.

Silly, I think, to try and setup Discourse to provide a cognitive wheel
chair ramp.  GG is my cognitive wheel chair ramp via the integration
between the GG and Discourse forums.

In that sense, Discourse is wonderful to me.  It allows me to participate
in a way that accommodates my needs perfectly (via the non-overstimulating
back door that is GG).

Very cool.

On Sat, Sep 18, 2021 at 4:34 AM TW Tones  wrote:

> Charlie,
>
> I understand your concerns and will argue for GG continuing, visit
> occasionally and hopefully one day we will find ways to make Discourse more
> acceptable for you. Of course no final decision has being made yet. This is
> my personal position.
>
> Tones
>
> On Saturday, 18 September 2021 at 15:58:22 UTC+10 cj.v...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> It would be good for the discourse forum to indicate that moderators can
>> also edit members' posts to benefit the community.
>>
>> That should be mentioned prominently in terms of use or something.
>>
>> That aside, I wish you and other members all the best over in the
>> discourse forum.  You've put together a nice list of benefits, so totally
>> makes sense why members have flocked over to that forum.
>>
>> Me, I'll pop in once in a blue moon, but I will  stay over here in the GG
>> forum because this one is much more accommodating re cognitive disability
>> challenges.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, September 17, 2021 at 10:16:20 PM UTC-3 TW Tones wrote:
>>
>>> Oh,  and you can edit to correct your post :)
>>>
>>> I have *just run across the road and discovered that side is much
>>> greener* :)
>>>
>>> On Saturday, 18 September 2021 at 11:12:42 UTC+10 TW Tones wrote:
>>>
 Folks,

 As you may know I am a regular contributor to the community. I just
 want to let you know although I will always support the use of Google
 Groups, *I am now only an occasional visitor here.* Without entering
 into the detailed evaluations and comparisons these are *my reasons
 why*;

- Discourse fixed a number of problems introduced to Google Groups
of late eg code highlighting.
- Discourse has all the standard features of most of the advance
community tools.
- It can almost resemble a chat if more than one person is on line.
- I do not use any email features only online.
- Its easier to keep track of what I have done or when others post
and reply
- Its nice to use emoticon reactions rather than a whole (email)
reply to indicate support, or thank someone.
- *I can deal with a larger volume of activity in the same time*
- Private messaging without using email is possible (off line
discussions)
- I can support new users to Discourse, as I certainly want us to
move, so of course I support it.
- Given the way users have being treated by google eg; destroyed
mobile view I no longer trust Google Groups in the long term.

 There are too many features to name here that I appreciate in
 Discourse, but most are reusable skills, because they are available in many
 other community solutions, but not in Google Groups, which after all is a
 glorified mail list.

 I did not choose Discourse, but because it has gained some momentum and
 is more than adequate if not very good *"I just want to leave".* I
 tried to encourage a move many times, but most communities are like herding
 cats, but now in the case of Discourse its more like "herding sheep" and a
 pile of us sheeple, have *just run across the road and discovered than
 side is much greener* :)

 I understand there are community members who feel one or more of the
 following;

- finding the transition difficult,
- need solutions to help on the new platform
- are not familiar with these sophisticated solutions
- don't like changing something that works for them.

 I urge you to come over and connect with me @TW_Tones
 

Re: [tw5] Re: Question about the TiddlyWiki GG

[CJ Veniot]

Well, personal cognitive issues regarding TiddlyTalk aside, edit of posts
by moderators, in and of itself, is reason enough for me to not participate
in a forum.

That kind of thing goes against my personal I.T. philosophies ("protect the
system", "protect the users from bad system behaviour", "don't mess with
the users data unless asked to mess with it", "don't break things", "no
surprises", "no hidden interfaces", yadda yadda yadda.)

Deletion of any posts that are not in line with terms of use policies, that
I totally agree with.  Tagging posts to make them easy to find, that's very
cool.

And views vary depending on the thing.  Forum vs Wiki vs Blog vs whatever.

Doesn't matter.  I'll stop harping about it.



On Thu, Sep 16, 2021 at 10:31 AM Jeremy Ruston 
wrote:

> Hi CJ
>
> Thanks for the confirmation, Jeremy.  That is the way I like things.
>
> And the push I needed to bail on TiddlyTalk completely.
>
>
> I think the incident was a momentary misjudgement on the part of an
> individual. It has led to a healthy discussion about what users expect when
> they write a post, and I think the conclusion is that the power to edit
> should only be used in exceptional circumstances. The admins have always
> had the power to delete posts and avoided exercising it except for spam,
> and so I don't see a reason to think that the new power to edit posts would
> be abused either.
>
> But of course I understand from your comments elsewhere that you have
> other concerns with talk.tiddlywiki.org about usability and simplicity
> which may well be more significant factors in your decisions. I'd just like
> to say that it is an experiment; we're feeling our way to what is right for
> this community, and so necessarily it will take a little time for things to
> settle down.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy
>
>
> Re TiddlyTalk, I don't know which is worse:  that people's posts can be
> edited by moderators, or that there is no clear "Terms of Use" or other
> indicator that posts can be edited by moderators.  I recommend that
> TiddlyTalk make it very clear that moderators can and do edit posts, and
> make it very clear what the intent and related policies are.
>
> BTW, it isn't about trust.  Sure I trust the moderators.  I also trust
> that to err is human.  We are human
>
> An analogy:
>
> Jack arrives at the pub with two black eyes, and the lads ask: "What's
> with the black eyes?"
>
> Jack points at his left one and says:  "I was at the concert in the park
> last night.  In front of me is a lady in a summer dress, and she has a
> serious wedgie, the dress right up the crack of the bum and it looks
> ridiculously uncomfortable.  So I decided to help her out by gently tugging
> on the dress at bum level to remove the wedgie.  That's when she turned
> around and punched me right in the left eye."
>
> The lads:  "Oh man.  You moron.  Why the right black eye?"
>
> Jack:  "When I came to, I realized that I had really upset the lady, and I
> felt awful about it.  So after I got up off the ground, I stuck out these
> three fingers with my hand like so, and poked the dress back in."
>
> The intentions may be good, but are they appropriate?
>
> Just because one can do something, should one really do it?
>
> And if you have given yourself the right to do something, should that
> right be very well indicated and should there be an opportunity for
> consent?  (i.e. if the user does not give consent, then user cannot join.)
>
> Something like that.
>
> On Thursday, September 16, 2021 at 9:31:57 AM UTC-3 jeremy...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> Hi CJ
>>
>> That's correct, Google Groups allows admins to delete posts and to reply
>> to the author, but nothing else.
>>
>> Best wishes
>>
>> Jeremy
>>
>> On Thursday, September 16, 2021 at 1:19:39 PM UTC+1 cj.v...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Am I correct in saying that GG moderators do not and cannot edit posts
>>> by members?
>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: How to start TW5 with sidebar collapsed

[CJ Veniot]

Yeah, that tiddler is in my attachment.  Just needs an unrelated line taken
out.

On Fri, Sep 10, 2021 at 4:30 PM Stefan H.  wrote:

> Hello,
>
> put the line
> <$action-setfield $tiddler="$:/state/sidebar" text="no" />
>
> in a tiddler with the label "$:/tags/StartupAction" .
>
> Greetings
>
> Faber schrieb am Freitag, 10. September 2021 um 19:18:34 UTC+2:
>
>> Hello, it's possible to start TW5 with sidebar collapsed, or autclick the
>> "hide sidebar" when TW5 is opening?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Can a tiddler be setup to not allow being overwritten?

[CJ Veniot]

What I have in mind is pretty simple, and it is about resolving issues that
completely break TiddlyWiki or break an application built upon TiddlyWiki
in a node.js farm of TiddlyWikis.

On Mon, Sep 6, 2021 at 3:57 PM Hans Wobbe  wrote:

> Charlie:
>
> Perhaps some of the protection you are looking for can be had via the
> frequent saves of a tiddler file to Dropbox?
> Unless things have changed since I last used it, that would provide a
> rolling 30 day cache that could be used to recover losses.
>
> Cheers,
> Hans
>
>
> On Monday, September 6, 2021 at 11:24:00 AM UTC-4 cj.v...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Well, by obfuscation, I see that as a catch-all word to also mean
>> abstraction, encapsulation, and whatever other little design thingies so
>> that the end result doesn't look anything like TiddlyWiki any more.
>>
>> So a user will have to work very hard to get into trouble.
>>
>> Your Plan B is my Plan A, and your Plan A is my plan Z.  In my mind, folk
>> who are busy with their missions don't need to be distracted by technical
>> stuff needed to be kept in mind.  The best kind of software is the kind
>> that doesn't need any user guide other than, maybe, something concise that
>> lets them know how the software supports them, their goals, their
>> processes.  I prefer that users trust that software they work with is
>> robust/resilient/etc. and doesn't ever waste their time by allowing
>> something to happen that can waste their time.  Well, within reason.  That
>> find balance of cost/benefit.
>>
>> But I do suffer easily from both sensory and cognitive overload, and so
>> heavily do these influence my design philosophies.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, September 6, 2021 at 6:07:42 AM UTC-3 PMario wrote:
>>
>>> On Monday, September 6, 2021 at 3:01:25 AM UTC+2 cj.v...@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> No worries.  I'll train my thoughts on obfuscation, risk-mitigation
 design/strategies, and automated monitoring/repairing processes.

>>>
>>> IMO obfuscation is wasting time, other than removing the buttons, that
>>> are not needed. Which I would define as "modifying the UI according to the
>>> usecase" ;)
>>>
>>> With nodejs you should be able to establish a "batch process" that runs
>>> once a day and checks, if some important shadow tiddlers have been
>>> overwritten. I would consider this as "Plan B".
>>>
>>> Plan A - IMO the easiest way would be to trust your users and tell them
>>> what's going on, and what's important. Having Plan B will then only be
>>> needed if someone changes something by accident.
>>>
>>> just a thought
>>> mario
>>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Notes from the Coalface: Pasting URL's with pretty title

[CJ Veniot]

Yeah, I know what you mean especially with the %20's all over the place.

That can be fairly easily resolved by sticking with camel case for
tiddler names.

I very much dislike camel case *(cognitive annoyances)* in my TiddlyWikis,
so much so that I prefer live with those ugly %20's in links, to everybody
else's very understandable chagrin.

Being an incessant Tiddler Title Tweaker (a 3T-er? a threeter?), I'm moving
towards internal ID's as part of URL's, to prevent future link rot re
distributed URL's (link rot caused by my "threeting".)  Yeah, I coddle my
sanity, or maybe insanity, and wind up perpetuating ugly URL's.

Let's say I get what you mean, but I've surrendered to ugly URL syndrome as
the easier to live with evil.  (thank goodness for the pretty links.)

On Sun, Aug 8, 2021 at 2:27 PM Soren Bjornstad 
wrote:

> Um, there was no disagreement in this thread with Tones.
>>
>> Tones' initial post was about getting pretty links when the URL encoding
>> are ugly.  I think that's great.  *(Already a usual habit of mine, just
>> grabbing them links from the "Open" sidebar tab instead.)*
>>
>
> It sounded to me like Tones also had an opinion on the existence of "ugly
> URLs," which is why I responded from back there, but maybe that was just me
> misreading the post.
>
>
>> [A]re you both suggesting that it would be better to instead change URL
>> encoding so they don't have things like "#" and "%20" in them ?
>>
>
> No, I'm suggesting that when one has an opportunity to choose the format
> of a URL, one should choose one that uses as few internal IDs and special
> characters (since those turn into %-encoding) as possible. (I don't see any
> problem with # in itself, that has a clearly defined meaning and isn't
> ugly.) I do not think that TiddlyWiki is doing anything wrong here – I was
> just trying to explain what some people might consider an ugly URL.
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Re: [tw5] Re: Dreaming of "TidEdit", an in-browser TiddlyWiki WikiText editor

[CJ Veniot]

Nah, Chromebook.  Half-a-dozen TiddlyWikis.  All on Google Drive and
accessed with TiddlyDrive.  I don't really want to have all of them open
all day for whenever I might have a thought.

I much prefer throw notes in quickly loaded small/distraction-free apps, so
it is just a quick trip to the computer while I put chores/whatever on hold
for just a second.  Later when I can sit down, I can do the TiddlyWiki work.

Skrifa

seems
like the right tool for the job for quick-note taking, when I want a little
formatting to quickly organize more complicated notes.  Otherwise Google
Keep or Gmail or Google Calendar for short/simple text notes.

The Skrifa notes, the HTML for them can be copied into TiddlyWiki as-is.
Not as convenient as having a "TidEdit" app, but it is quick and TW handles
the HTML natively (i.e. don't need a plugin like I would if I was pasting
markdown text into my tiddlers.)



On Sun, Aug 8, 2021 at 3:16 AM maki aea  wrote:

>
> hi i'm guessing you're on android? i'm on an old iphone and i basically
> have tiddlywiki open all day using quine2. been using saq's streams lately
> with a tweaked shortcut to save tiddler+stream, shift+z. works really well
> for quick notetaking on ios. have customised the layout quite a bit (
> http://makiaea.org ) for mobile but the heavy lifting is from streams and
> shift+z. hope you can find something that works for you
> On Saturday, August 7, 2021 at 6:47:34 PM UTC+1 cj.v...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I just found a better reference (i.e. in-browser simple text editor):
>> https://browserpad.org/
>>
>> That one knows filename when opening a file, and remembers that filename
>> on "save" ("save/export", in my mind.)
>>
>> If that thing had TW formatting buttons and a preview pane, it would be
>> exactly what I'm looking for. (Well, I wouldn't want the spell-checking
>> check box, nor that github button in the bottom-right.)
>>
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, August 7, 2021 at 1:41:35 PM UTC-3 Charlie Veniot wrote:
>>
>>> In regards to open and save *(just for
>>> reference:  https://www.outpan.com/app/e7d5b37405/mytextarea
>>> )* ...
>>>
>>> I'm thinking an open button like the one in that editor, and an
>>> export/save button that works exactly like the tiddler export button in
>>> TiddlyWiki, with just the TID option or with more/all options.
>>>
>>> So no save mechanisms.  Just enter WikiText-à-la-TiddlyWiki, preview,
>>> and click export as TID.
>>>
>>>
>>> Whenever I just want to take down a quick note, TiddlyWiki is rarely my
>>> first choice.  Using my Chromebook, I typically go to Gmail or Google Keep,
>>> or even Google Calendar, first.
>>>
>>> Having a small HTML page, i.e. TidEdit app, available to me, I could see
>>> myself going there first when I want to take down a note that is slightly
>>> more substantial organization-wise, but not so substantial that I want to
>>> open a TiddlyWiki (which I keep on Google Drive, using the TiddlyDrive
>>> add-on app.)  So a bit like a simple text editor, but a little bit
>>> StackEdit-like, with a way to get the content into a TID.
>>>
>>> With something like that, I might actually use my small+old smartphone
>>> for more than just phone and text-messaging...
>>>
>>> On Saturday, August 7, 2021 at 1:01:22 PM UTC-3 Charlie Veniot wrote:
>>>
 Define backward.

 To me, it is like the difference between a small text editor and a word
 processor.  Using a text editor for certain things, instead of a full Word
 Processor isn't going backwards.  It is just using the simplest tool that
 makes sense for an immediate need.

 Same thing for "TidEdit".  It is just about reaching for the simplest
 and quickest tool for an immediate need (just jot down a note) , yet having
 that WikiText available (and preview) for quick visual organization of that
 one note, however short/long, for later serious processing.

 In a way, it boils down to that difference (in my mind, anyway) between
 note-taking and note-making.

 I imagine TidEdit as something complimentary to TiddlyWiki, a really
 nice addition to a TiddlyWiki ecosystem of
 tools/components/workflow-enablers.

 A simple HTML page with a text area on the left, preview pane on the
 right, and buttons for WikiText markup, and buttons for "new", "open", and
 "save", always working with TID files for each drag and drop into a
 TiddlyWiki.

 Why would any "save" plugins be required?  "Save" would be like
 "download", and open would be like "upload".  Aren't those just basic
 javascript functions?

 I suppose it isn't really about stripping down TiddlyWiki.  It is about
 creating a single HTML file that provides something that is StackEdit-ish
 (no "notebook" and no multiple notes handling), with buttons that work like
 the 

Re: [tw5] Re: Dreaming of "TidEdit", an in-browser TiddlyWiki WikiText editor

[CJ Veniot]

Define backward.

To me, it is like the difference between a small text editor and a word
processor.  Using a text editor for certain things, instead of a full Word
Processor isn't going backwards.  It is just using the simplest tool that
makes sense for an immediate need.

Same thing for "TidEdit".  It is just about reaching for the simplest and
quickest tool for an immediate need (just jot down a note) , yet having
that WikiText available (and preview) for quick visual organization of that
one note, however short/long, for later serious processing.

In a way, it boils down to that difference (in my mind, anyway) between
note-taking and note-making.

I imagine TidEdit as something complimentary to TiddlyWiki, a really nice
addition to a TiddlyWiki ecosystem of tools/components/workflow-enablers.

A simple HTML page with a text area on the left, preview pane on the right,
and buttons for WikiText markup, and buttons for "new", "open", and "save",
always working with TID files for each drag and drop into a TiddlyWiki.

Why would any "save" plugins be required?  "Save" would be like "download",
and open would be like "upload".  Aren't those just basic javascript
functions?

I suppose it isn't really about stripping down TiddlyWiki.  It is about
creating a single HTML file that provides something that is StackEdit-ish
(no "notebook" and no multiple notes handling), with buttons that work like
the tiddler edit buttons for WikiText formatting, and those "new" (clear
text area and preview), "open" (pick a file and put the content of that
file in the text area), "save" (i.e. just download a file that has the
content from the textarea) buttons.


On Sat, Aug 7, 2021 at 12:41 PM PMario  wrote:

> On Saturday, August 7, 2021 at 4:19:52 PM UTC+2 cj.v...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> i.e. just what is needed to create/edit/save WikiText (à la TiddlyWiki) to
>> a TID file.  Nothing else.
>>
>
> TLDR;
>
> You are right, we may be able to strip about half of the *UI* size, but
> this would mean we will go backwards. ...
>
> --
>
> As you probably know, browsers will only let you save to the Downloads
> directory and subdirectories with default browser plugins.
> With Timimi you can choose the directory, but you will need 2 components.
> A browser AddOn and an executable.
>
> There is a new file-API for chromium based browsers, but they will also
> need a server somewhere in the background to use the functionality in a
> "secure" way. ...
>
>
>> No refresh mechanism going on, no loading up a whole TiddlyWiki (with all
>> the tiddlers and plugins), blazingly fast open of a small HTML file to
>> quickly enter some info/knowledge/content on the fly with whatever
>> device, with ability to save that tiddler, parking its the TID file
>> somewhere for later processing in the full TiddlyWiki.
>>
>
> In your first post you mentioned, that you don't need all toolbar buttons
> but some of them. ... So if you only want 1 of them, the software needed is
> the same as showing all of them. ... The mechanism to show 1 button is the
> same as to show many of them. It's only a different filter and a list.
>
> The same is true for the TW UI. It will be possible to create new
> ...Templates, that are different to the existing ones, but the
> functionality to handle Page-, Edit- and View templates is the same as with
> a default TW. So I'm sure you don't safe anything in the core.
>
>
>> Sure I can tweak a TiddlyWiki by adding custom Tiddlers, but I'm talking
>> about a major strip down to have a simple editor for simple note-taking.
>>
>
> As I wrote. There will be no major strip down in wiki size. The startup
> may be faster, because less DOM elements are created. ... Especially no
> sidebar.
>
> At the moment there are 8 tiddlers tagged: $:/tags/PageTemplate ... 11
> tiddlers tagged: $:/tags/ViewTemplate ... 9 tiddlers tagged:
> $:/tags/EditTemplate ... 7 tiddlers tagged: $:/tags/SideBar ... and about
> 33 toolbar buttons.
>
> So you may safe some of them but that's basically it. TW consists of about
> 2100 shadow tiddlers in empty.html.  Nobody knows, how they are exactly
> interconnected. It would be possible to find it out, but that would be a
> lot of work I wouldn't want to do.
>
> TiddlyWiki 5.1.0 had 991 shadow tiddlers and about 1.1MByte in size. About
> 460 shadows are $:/language tiddlers ...
>
> In 6 years users requested new UI functionality, which resulted in about
> 1000 shadow tiddlers more and about 1MByte more size of the file. The
> system did grow organically, with a lot of interconnections here and there.
>
> You are right, we may be able to strip about half of the *UI* size, but
> IMO this would mean we will go backwards. ...
>
> just some thoughts
> mario
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Re: [tw5] Re: Dreaming of "TidEdit", an in-browser TiddlyWiki WikiText editor

[CJ Veniot]

Well, something like that, but not the TiddlyWiki full monty.

i.e. just what is needed to create/edit/save WikiText (à la TiddlyWiki) to
a TID file.  Nothing else.

No refresh mechanism going on, no loading up a whole TiddlyWiki (with all
the tiddlers and plugins), blazingly fast open of a small HTML file to
quickly enter some info/knowledge/content on the fly with whatever
device, with ability to save that tiddler, parking its the TID file
somewhere for later processing in the full TiddlyWiki.

Sure I can tweak a TiddlyWiki by adding custom Tiddlers, but I'm talking
about a major strip down to have a simple editor for simple note-taking.

I could use a simple text file editor, but it is some nice to have a
TidEditor with that preview pane of the WikiText being put in there.

On Sat, Aug 7, 2021 at 3:59 AM Saq Imtiaz  wrote:

> I suspect you would find this prototype by JD of interest:
> http://j.d.fullscreen.tiddlyspot.com/
>
> Click the "fullscreen" button in the tiddler toolbar, and then turn on the
> preview in the editor.
>
> TiddlyWiki has a mechanism to allow you to switch between page layouts
> . So one could
> imagine an alternative page layout which only shows a single tiddler using
> such a fullscreen presentation in edit mode. In other words, I don't think
> you need to grab existing bits out of TiddlyWiki, an alternative layout
> would do the trick. Defining an alternative page layout is all about
> wikitext, HTML and some CSS.
>
> Based on what I have seen of your tiddly tweaking, I am pretty sure this
> would be well within your means if you decided to give it a go.
> Regards,
>
> Saq
>
> On Saturday, August 7, 2021 at 4:28:57 AM UTC+2 cj.v...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Something like StackEdit , but to create and
>> edit TID files using TiddlyWiki WikiText.
>>
>> Essentially just a web page (a seriously stripped-down TiddlyWiki?) that
>> looks like a single tiddler in edit mode.  With nothing else except:
>>
>>- a save button to download the content as a TID file
>>- an open button, to find and open an existing TID file
>>- a new button to start editing a new TID
>>- *minus* some of the edit buttons that normally exist in a TiddlyWiki
>>   - excise button
>>   - wikitext link button
>>   - wrap in square brackets button
>>   - wrap in curly brackets button
>>   - insert picture button
>>   - insert pre-configured snippet of text button
>>   - choose the height of the text editor button
>>- minus the "tiddler type" and "add a new field" bits
>>
>> Why?  I like the concept of simple markdown editors for quick
>> note-taking.
>>
>> I could use a simple text editor to create and save TID files, but having
>> something like StackEdit as a single HTML file meant for editing TID's,
>> with the preview pane right there like these markdown editors ... that
>> would be pretty frigging cool.
>>
>> Of course, I do not have the coding chops to build something like this.
>> I imagine for somebody who knows what he/she is doing, it would be a matter
>> of grabbing the useful pre-existing bits right out of TiddlyWiki.
>>
>> I'm hoping somebody might find this dream of mine interesting enough, the
>> kind of editor useful enough, to slap it together?
>>
>> A simple "TidEdit" editor for quick note-taking.  Running in the browser
>> on any device.  That would be pretty cool.
>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Search box

[CJ Veniot]

Good stuff.

If there are any naughty bits in there that are clear as mud and need some
explaining, please reach out here.

That bit of TW code can probably be improved/condensed.  I do tend to have
"wordy" solutions because I like to see the little steps involved in
getting from A to Z, often ignoring much more elegant solutions (if I know
of them).  There's always loads of refactoring potential in anything coming
from this kid.

On Sat, Jul 10, 2021 at 11:15 PM paulgilbert2000 <
mohamedmaghr...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
> works like a charm thank you very much :)
> On Friday, July 9, 2021 at 4:25:55 AM UTC+2 cj.v...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> G'day,
>>
>> Give this a spin:
>>
>> <$edit-text tiddler={{{ [addsuffix[ Data]] }}}
>> field="search_value"/>
>>
>> <$list variable="checkLength" filter="[addsuffix[
>> Data]get[search_value]length[]compare:number:gt[4]]"> //(enter at least 5
>> characters)//
>> <$vars searchCriteria={{{  [addsuffix[
>> Data]get[search_value]]  }}}>
>> <$list filter="
>> *[search:title,caption:literal,casesensitive]*">
>> <$link/>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>
>> On Thursday, July 8, 2021 at 10:49:42 PM UTC-3 mohamed...@hotmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> sorry to back to this again , but which part of the code does the search
>>> ? so if i would use [search:title,caption:literal,casesensitive[The
>>> first]]like the example in the documentation , where would i put
>>> that in the code ?
>>>
>>> On Friday, July 2, 2021 at 4:11:40 PM UTC+2 cj.v...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 For sure.  That's all documented here:
 https://tiddlywiki.com/#search%20Operator

 I much prefer the "wide open" (search all fields), so that if I can
 catch the tiddler I want by a selection of words I remember being wherever
 they happen to exist in the tiddler, so maybe a word from the title, a word
 from some custom field, a word from the text.

 You could make the "field list" for search operator come from another
 edit text widget, so you have the flexibility of dynamically specifying
 which field(s) you want to search.



 On Friday, July 2, 2021 at 5:23:13 AM UTC-3 mohamed.e...@vodafone.com
 wrote:

> Thanks,
>
> However is there a way to make the search more accurate , typing in
> "Hello there"   listed so many tiddlers  , i believe because it is
> seraching all tidder field ? if its the case could it be restrained to 
> only
> searching one field, the title ?[image: Capture10.PNG]
>
> On Friday, July 2, 2021 at 6:04:36 AM UTC+2 cj.v...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Using TiddlyWiki.com for testing, create a new tiddler with the
>> following content:
>>
>> <$edit-text tiddler={{{ [addsuffix[ Data]] }}}
>> field="search_value"/>
>>
>> <$list variable="checkLength" filter="[addsuffix[
>> Data]get[search_value]length[]compare:number:gt[4]]"> //(enter at least 5
>> characters)//
>> <$vars searchCriteria={{{  [addsuffix[
>> Data]get[search_value]]  }}}>
>> <$list filter="[all[tiddlers]search]">
>> <$link/>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, July 1, 2021 at 10:47:46 PM UTC-3 mohamed...@hotmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hi ,
>>>
>>> I have a tiddler that has a filter that lists other tiddlers along
>>> with their details
>>>
>>> the problem is the list is too long and big that it makes it hard to
>>> find the one particular tiddler i want to look at .
>>>
>>> is there a way to add like a search box? where i can just enter the
>>> tiddler name and this would hide everything and display the one tiddler 
>>> i
>>> entered its name
>>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Best ways to use TiddlyWiki on a Chromebook?

[CJ Veniot]

I've got TiddlyDesktop for Linux installed on my Chromebook, but I much
prefer keeping my TiddlyWiki's on Google Drive, accessed with TiddlyDrive.

As-is, I only keep TiddlyDesktop around in case my internet goes down and I
really need to do TiddlyWiki things.

Just my own preference after playing around with it all.

I live in Chrome OS, and only ever go to the Linux VM when I really need it
for a select few applications (Hex-a-Hop, gPlanarity, SpiderBasic,
Treesheets, VYM, and DB Browser for Sqlite being my occasional guilty
pleasures).

On Thu, Jul 1, 2021 at 5:49 AM TiddlyTweeter 
wrote:

> Jeremy
>
> UPDATE: On my (recent model) Lenevo Chromebook I am thinking of activating
> Linux which it will natively support and auto-install.
>
> WHY? So I could install TiddlyDesktop.
>
> Best wishes
> TT
>
> On Saturday, 10 April 2021 at 15:55:35 UTC+2 jeremy...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Does anyone here use TiddlyWiki on a Chromebook?
>>
>> A friend with a Chromebook wants to experiment with TiddlyWiki, and so
>> I'd be interested in any feedback on the best of the available options.
>> They'd like to keep a private notes file in Dropbox or Google Drive.
>> Ordinarily, I'd recommend TiddlyDesktop and/or Quine, but they obviously
>> don't work in this case.
>>
>> Many thanks,
>>
>> Jeremy
>>
>>
>> --
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>> jer...@jermolene.com
>> https://jermolene.com
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Re: [tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki SO cool ...

[CJ Veniot]

Although I'm no fan of social media (Twitter, Instagram, Tik Tok, etc.
etc.), my answer would be YouTube, Blogs and all social media options.

Via titles that equal use cases, and not titles about the product (well,
with loads of metadata some somebody looking for TiddlyWiki, or TW, can
find these social media jewels.)

So draw folk to the videos and such via problems that need to be solved, or
approaches to doing certain things.

For example, thinking of the discussion about notetaking and notemaking.

Instead of a social media something like "Notetaking with TiddlyWiki", draw
folk in with something like "Agile Notetaking" (well, some title that draws
folk, in the spirit of whatever draws people to viral videos.)

So flood the media with marketing not of the product itself, but of the
full breadth and depth of solutions that coincidentally are handled with
TiddlyWiki align with whatever plugins when they apply.

As another example, my Le P'tit Aurèle 
project.  If I were to (when the project is ready) blitz social media with
stuff related to that project, it would all be with titles that fall under
an umbrella of "Constructing Comprehensive yet User-Friendly Multilingual
Dictionaries"  (well, something sexier that can go "viral").  And every
"post" to whatever social media would have a "by the way, this was built
with TiddlyWiki."

If there are a ridiculous number of videos out there on how to do
real-world good stuff and they all of the things done happen to be done
with TiddlyWiki, I think that would grab some attention.

Something like that ...




On Wed, Jun 23, 2021 at 6:15 AM TiddlyTweeter 
wrote:

> Ciao cj.v...
>
> Yeah. In the practicalities of dealing with code I think it is easy to
> forget/set-aside certain things,
>
> The FREEDOM TW brings to dealing with information design and use is not
> shouted enough.
>
> I'd love if the tool were more widely used.
> I'm thinking a bit here out loud.
>
> How can we communicate better to potential end users its fundamental
> benefits?
>
> Best wishes
> TT
> On Wednesday, 23 June 2021 at 03:47:15 UTC+2 cj.v...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> That would be a perfect theme song for TiddlyWiki.  Freedom for sure !
>>
>> I find Jon Batiste one of the coolest guys.  Wonderfully talented and
>> seems like a genuinely awesome human being.
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 22, 2021 at 6:04:50 PM UTC-3 TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>
>>> https://youtu.be/3YHVC1DcHmo
>>>
>>> Oh yeah
>>> TT
>>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Note Taking in 2021 (article & reflection)

[CJ Veniot]

Albeit virtually, I am hugging you (a whole bunch of you, really) quite
fiercely.

Just know that, since we can't all be fierce huggers, much more
conservative-style virtual hugging or virtual fist-bumps are available upon
request.

I may like to scare folk a little, but I draw the line at scarring folk.  I
am neither old enough nor cute enough to get away with that.  Yet.

In the spirit of Jack Nicholson as "The Joker", but minus the evil and in
the context of senior care: wait 'til they get a load of me ...

*Aside and for the collaborative-experimentation-giggles*, I've got a
privately shared-for-editing version of that Google drawing.

If you want to play (you don't gotta pay!  Just because it rhymes.), send a
request for edit access to the publicly visible document, and I'll share
the private one.

Well, since I can't know for sure who is requesting access, I'll be putting
the kibosh on access privs right pronto should anybody start doing bad
things.  (Hence edit privs only on the private document, and not the public
one.)

On Sun, Jun 20, 2021 at 2:40 PM ludwa6  wrote:

> I wouldn’t think of doing documentation any other way, mate ;-)
> /w
>
> On Sunday, June 20, 2021 at 5:48:03 PM UTC+1 cj.v...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> That might need a TiddlyWiki...  ☺
>>
>> Smiles aside, TiddlyWiki for requirements management.  Hm
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 20, 2021 at 1:42 PM ludwa6  wrote:
>>
>>> Yes @Charlie: on more careful research + reflection
>>> ,
>>> i now realize that you are quite right.  Am doing further research and will
>>> be elaborating on those requirements in due course.  /walt
>>>
>>> On Sunday, June 20, 2021 at 5:12:20 PM UTC+1 cj.v...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 The purpose of that mock-up was just to pin down the various things
 needed for simultaneous notemaking and notetaking (if one wants), or just
 focused on notemaking for the current task, or just focused on notetaking
 for the current task.

 I had just gone with columns to make the pieces easy to identify, but
 any kind of interface can be slapped together.  Anything could be done.
 Columns, rows, panels, tabs, etc. etc. etc.

 So let's not see that as design, but just as discussion about the
 necessary pieces/components/features/functionality/workflows/etc.

 Regardless, from what I see so far in this thead, I still think: why
 can't that all be done in TiddlyWiki ?

 Anything and everything that's ever been done with TiddlyWiki, bits and
 pieces can be pulled together and combined, I believe, to build something
 that can handle all of:

- distraction-free notetaking
- distraction-free notemaking
- simultaneous notetaking + notemaking when the urge strikes

 So pick any screenshots from anything out there as sources of
 inspiration, but don't be limited by them (i.e. imagine what doesn't yet
 exist, but could exist.)

 Just as ideas (inspiration?), here are a couple of screenshots:

- https://zim-wiki.org/screenshots/zim-normal.png
-

 https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-g43ZEQDDVdI/UBPbvyfyCbI/WUg/uxeWVSOXYGg/s1600/KeepNote-Best-Note-Taking-Software-Linux.jpg

 Sniffs like a big project.  For it to have any hope of happening, it
 needs some tangible list of problems that need solving, needs that have to
 be addressed, features to be described ... yup, requirements gathering.

 Regardless, even just the discussions of  the problems/needs is right
 awesome.  Discussions of features/solutions to address individual
 problems/needs is icing on the cake.




 On Sunday, June 20, 2021 at 5:52:18 AM UTC-3 ludwa6 wrote:

> Charlie, TT et al: Much as I do like these multi-pane views for
> NoteMAKING in TW, this is not what one wants for NoteTAKING, as I see it -
> as per the article i referenced up top, and the one shared by @Carsten and
> many more.
>
> The two window setup i posited in the eLearning UserStory presumed a
> video lecture in one window (via Zoom, YouTube or what have you), plus one
> other window where I do my agile NoteTaking. Any additional frames would 
> bu
> not only unnecessary, but moreover a distraction. This is key to the power
> of outlining, as i see it (and most outliner aficionados would probably
> agree, tho i realize that outlining mode is not for everyone): it’s a 
> blank
> canvas on which i can capture and organize a set of ideas just as quickly
> as they come to me- whether in context of a video lecture, a focus 
> meeting,
> or in a solitary coffee-fueled brainstorm.
>
> Only when this job of NoteTAKING is finished do i want to think about
> NoteMAKING; that is when i value the many affordances that TW brings to 
> the
> challenge of integrating this new 

Re: [tw5] Re: Note Taking in 2021 (article & reflection)

[CJ Veniot]

That might need a TiddlyWiki...  ☺

Smiles aside, TiddlyWiki for requirements management.  Hm

On Sun, Jun 20, 2021 at 1:42 PM ludwa6  wrote:

> Yes @Charlie: on more careful research + reflection
> , i
> now realize that you are quite right.  Am doing further research and will
> be elaborating on those requirements in due course.  /walt
>
> On Sunday, June 20, 2021 at 5:12:20 PM UTC+1 cj.v...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> The purpose of that mock-up was just to pin down the various things
>> needed for simultaneous notemaking and notetaking (if one wants), or just
>> focused on notemaking for the current task, or just focused on notetaking
>> for the current task.
>>
>> I had just gone with columns to make the pieces easy to identify, but any
>> kind of interface can be slapped together.  Anything could be done.
>> Columns, rows, panels, tabs, etc. etc. etc.
>>
>> So let's not see that as design, but just as discussion about the
>> necessary pieces/components/features/functionality/workflows/etc.
>>
>> Regardless, from what I see so far in this thead, I still think: why
>> can't that all be done in TiddlyWiki ?
>>
>> Anything and everything that's ever been done with TiddlyWiki, bits and
>> pieces can be pulled together and combined, I believe, to build something
>> that can handle all of:
>>
>>- distraction-free notetaking
>>- distraction-free notemaking
>>- simultaneous notetaking + notemaking when the urge strikes
>>
>> So pick any screenshots from anything out there as sources of
>> inspiration, but don't be limited by them (i.e. imagine what doesn't yet
>> exist, but could exist.)
>>
>> Just as ideas (inspiration?), here are a couple of screenshots:
>>
>>- https://zim-wiki.org/screenshots/zim-normal.png
>>-
>>
>> https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-g43ZEQDDVdI/UBPbvyfyCbI/WUg/uxeWVSOXYGg/s1600/KeepNote-Best-Note-Taking-Software-Linux.jpg
>>
>> Sniffs like a big project.  For it to have any hope of happening, it
>> needs some tangible list of problems that need solving, needs that have to
>> be addressed, features to be described ... yup, requirements gathering.
>>
>> Regardless, even just the discussions of  the problems/needs is right
>> awesome.  Discussions of features/solutions to address individual
>> problems/needs is icing on the cake.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, June 20, 2021 at 5:52:18 AM UTC-3 ludwa6 wrote:
>>
>>> Charlie, TT et al: Much as I do like these multi-pane views for
>>> NoteMAKING in TW, this is not what one wants for NoteTAKING, as I see it -
>>> as per the article i referenced up top, and the one shared by @Carsten and
>>> many more.
>>>
>>> The two window setup i posited in the eLearning UserStory presumed a
>>> video lecture in one window (via Zoom, YouTube or what have you), plus one
>>> other window where I do my agile NoteTaking. Any additional frames would bu
>>> not only unnecessary, but moreover a distraction. This is key to the power
>>> of outlining, as i see it (and most outliner aficionados would probably
>>> agree, tho i realize that outlining mode is not for everyone): it’s a blank
>>> canvas on which i can capture and organize a set of ideas just as quickly
>>> as they come to me- whether in context of a video lecture, a focus meeting,
>>> or in a solitary coffee-fueled brainstorm.
>>>
>>> Only when this job of NoteTAKING is finished do i want to think about
>>> NoteMAKING; that is when i value the many affordances that TW brings to the
>>> challenge of integrating this new material into my preexisting web of
>>> deeply intertwingled ideas.  This is the problem-space/ opportunity zone
>>> where i think development effort would do best to focus: interoperability,
>>> versus trying to be all things to all users.
>>>
>>> /walt
>>> On Sunday, June 20, 2021 at 9:07:06 AM UTC+1 TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>>
 Ciao Charlie & Walt

 Charlie, actually it was part to the point ...
 [image: Screenshot 2021-06-20 095945.jpg]

 A 4th Column on random concerns that arise in is too would be
 interesting.
 A 4th column for me might, for instance, read "Slightly concerned Bruno
 is OK."

 There are two issues, I think ...
(1) How to make it easy to switch "column" to enter note;
(2) How to (auto?) "flag/tag" each column content so you can
 rearrange the info in many ways later.
 Just thoughts!

 But the general idea looks good to me!

 Best wishes
 TT

 cj.v...@gmail.com wrote:

> Ugh et oops..  e-Learner.  I went a little off-track there thinking
> in-person classroom/auditorium/hall.
>
> Charlie Veniot  wrote:
>
>> Now we're talking.  That is an awesome use case.
>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Note Taking in 2021 (article & reflection)

[CJ Veniot]

Ugh et oops..  e-Learner.  I went a little off-track there thinking
in-person classroom/auditorium/hall.

On Sat, Jun 19, 2021 at 1:53 PM Charlie Veniot  wrote:

> Now we're talking.  That is an awesome use case.
>
> Are you thinking of doing that on a smartphone?  If so: yuck.  A small
> screen would require flipping back and forth between outliner + your
> thoughts + "presentation" notes.  Could be done (sliding panels), but I'm
> no fan of not having everything in front of me.
>
> I'd want a device with a screen big enough to have all three panels
> visible.  A decent-sized tablet?
>
> So a tiddler for a specific class/seminar/presentation would look something
> like this
> 
> ?
>
>
>
> On Saturday, June 19, 2021 at 12:54:59 PM UTC-3 ludwa6 wrote:
>
>> OK @Charlie: For a scenario of agile NoteTaking in an outliner that might
>> hold a “deep issue” or few for TW to solve, let us consider the case of an
>> isolated eLearner taking notes in one window while video lecture is playing
>> in another.
>>
>>  Teacher is talking, and I’m here banging out notes as fast as i can type
>> a key phrase and hit return… And before you know it, I’ve got a screen full
>> of lines that reflect the lecturer’s train of thought, insofar as i have
>> followed it. Thing is, I’ve been having my own thoughts about all this
>> as we go along -some of which i may want to nest beneath a pithy quote from
>> Teacher, while others may be my own original train of thought that I want
>> to organize in a separate group- and this i can easily do, without needing
>> to pause the video, because each line is a discrete object that i can move
>> up or down, indent or outdent, fold or unfold, whether by a single
>> keystroke or mouse click or gesture on glass.
>>
>> Now: can you show me a one window interface in TiddlyWiki where i can
>> work like that?
>>
>> /walt
>>
>> On Saturday, June 19, 2021 at 4:07:37 PM UTC+1 cj.v...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I am really enjoying this thread of discussion.
>>>
>>> Fully recognizing (almost giddy about it) that any one solution can be
>>> the best for one group of doers'n thinkers, it can come up short for other
>>> groups of doers'n thinkers (cognitive differences/preferences are one of
>>> the beautiful thing that make our species so danged interesting)...
>>>
>>> I can't help myself, always wondering: how would I do this/that with
>>> TiddlyWiki.
>>>
>>> There are a lot of angles to cover re taking vs making notes.
>>>
>>> Maybe we can go over, one-by-one, your list of deep issues that keep TW
>>> from being Agile.  (Yeah, I"m kind of an over-eager beaver over here, ready
>>> to jump at each "feature" and instinctively react with a "why couldn't
>>> TiddlyWiki can do that?  All rainbows and blue skies and butterflies me...")
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, June 19, 2021 at 4:30:12 AM UTC-3 ludwa6 wrote:
>>>
 I see what you can do about mode-switching , Charlie, and agree: that’s
 a good hi-level UI affordance..

 Still, I think that there be pretty deep issues that keep TW from being
 a very agile NoteTaking tool.

 The best solution to the portability problem that I have found involves
 using Quine2 app on my iPhone, with sync to my desktop TW instance via
 Apple iCloud, but that is kind of a hack, overly dependent on Apple, I
 would say.

 Still more challenging to my mind is the diff between an outlining
 editor and the text editing window in a tiddler;  that is fundamentally
 constrained by web standards -is it not?

 /walt


 On Saturday, June 19, 2021 at 5:21:42 AM UTC+1 cj.v...@gmail.com wrote:

> Instinctively, I'm thinking it should be possible to simultaneously
> have both "modes" (taking vs making) at the same time available, just
> because TiddlyWiki is so flexible.
>
> If not simultaneous modes, then it should be possible to switch
> between the two modes without batting an eyelash, kind of like how my more
> recent TiddlyWiki instances can switch between "reader" and "author" modes
> (triggered by hide/show of sidebar).  Or how my Favourite Stuff and
> Projects
> 
> TiddlyWiki can switch between contexts.
>
> That said, I must chew on it a bit, and read all previously mentioned
> articles a few times over.
>
>
> On Friday, June 18, 2021 at 6:29:42 PM UTC-3 ludwa6 wrote:
>
>> Thanks for engaging, Saq: responses inline below.
>>
>> On Friday, June 18, 2021 at 6:53:51 PM UTC+1 saq.i...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Crude, but effective enough, albeit with some editing overhead in TW
 that it would be nice to eliminate.  Am starting to explore the
 possibilities of Logseq as a potential Dynalist replacement; it does
 outlining in 

Re: [tw5] A Code Pattern: Batch update of tags on tiddlers

[CJ Veniot]

Well said and totally agree (well, everybody is great), and any slow down
of good information and conversation is to me the worst thing that can
happen in a community.

I just want to clearly state that if I'm not showing appreciation, not
adopting something, or not engaging: I'm just not ready to process the
info, I can't transition out of current thought processes, and I'm just
trying to stay in a cognitively safe place.

The beauty of differences can be overwhelming to this kid.  You should see
me struggle at a buffet...



On Sun, Jun 6, 2021 at 12:47 PM Mohammad Rahmani 
wrote:

> Hi Charlie,
>
> You are great and I learn from you and what you publish in the forum!
> There is no need to apologize as we discussed something technically! and
> many times disagreement helps to improve things!
> We have a Perdian proverb: differences make beauty!
>
> So, I appreciate your efforts and thoughts shared with us here!
>
> Best wishes
> Mohammad
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 6, 2021 at 8:04 PM Charlie Veniot  wrote:
>
>> Hey, I totally agree with you, and if I sound unappreciative, then I
>> totally apologize.  I do very much appreciate.
>>
>> Each one of us learns within the confines of our own abilities, learning
>> by maximizing those things that play to our strengths and minimizing those
>> things that emphasize our weaknesses.
>>
>> I've got ADHD (attention regulation challenges), and I go into
>> dysfunction when I'm overstimulated by sensory overload and/or cognitive
>> overload.
>>
>> My safe place is immersing myself in the details of a complex and very
>> focused problem/project.  I'm at my happiest when hyper-focused on all of
>> the intertwingled/hyperlinked intricacies of a problem/project scope and
>> the tools I know for working things out.  When I hit a wall because what I
>> am familiar does not work, then I go seeking out the new things I need,
>> within the safe boundaries of the problem/project scope.
>>
>> It does tickle me silly to know that there are other approaches to
>> handling a problem.  It is a huge benefit.  But I can't study that new
>> thing right away, because I'm hyperfocused (like a dog chewing on a bone)
>> on churning code for the current problem with a keen desire to master a
>> particular thing (in this case: filtering.)
>>
>> As keen as I am for folk to contribute their knowledge of alternative
>> ways of doing things for everybody's benefit (I encourage that something
>> silly), the best I can do is simply take note of that, and park it into a
>> recess of my sponge for later reference when I need it.  Back to the dog
>> chewing on a bone: everything else is a squirrel.  I get easily distracted,
>> but unlike the dog who can forget about the bone and see just the squirrel,
>> I'm more like a kid in a candy+toy store, and I don't know where to look:
>> too much to process.
>>
>> So I take note that there are awesome alternatives out there (features in
>> TiddlyWiki, plugin's, macros/scripts, upcoming new stuff, whatever), and I
>> quickly park that note in subconscious memory for when I hit a wall or want
>> to just enjoy learning something new.  When I'm in the midst of trying to
>> figure out how I can solve something with the things I've learned so far,
>> trying to process alternative ways of doing things when I'm banging my head
>> against a wall is like having a bunch of people talking to me at the same
>> time:  immediate over-stimulation and I shut right down.
>>
>> Most folk don't have this disability (they can easily pause something,
>> and transition from one thing to another), hence my standing ovation for
>> anything and everything educative.  I just usually find myself having to
>> ignore the discussion, because I'm already fully engaged in some pretty
>> deep bush-whacking.
>>
>> So that long-winded diatribe just to say the stuff you're contributing
>> (that everybody contributes, whenever/wherever/however) is awesome.  I'm
>> exceedingly appreciative.  It is just hard for me to show that appreciation
>> by adopting/discussing the idea because I can't cope with competing
>> thoughts.
>>
>> Well, I also find writing a great exercise to understand oneself, too.
>> Not just how I function/dysfunction, but also how it impacts others.  Which
>> has me on regular guilt-trips.  Trying to stay in a safe place cognitively,
>> while trying to be respectful/appreciative of others.  Not so easy to focus
>> on both when the disability is attention regulation.
>>
>> I can pat my head and rub my belly at the same time, so I like to think
>> it is possible.  Then again, show me a dog that doesn't like to have belly
>> rubbed and a pat on the head ...
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, June 6, 2021 at 1:37:38 AM UTC-3 Mohammad wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, Jun 6, 2021 at 12:34 AM Charlie Veniot 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 The simplest combo of filters and transclusions?  That could be wildly
 different for each person.

 For each person, It would be what is easiest to understand and maintain
 

Re: [tw5] Re: Missing transcluded tiddlers question

[CJ Veniot]

Yeah, sounds like your network firewall is blocking access to neocities.  I
can't do anything about that.

On Sun, May 9, 2021 at 9:55 PM David Gifford  wrote:

> Same message
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, May 9, 2021 at 7:48 PM Charlie Veniot  wrote:
>
>> Unless your firewall is suspicious of a redirect
>>
>> Would you mind trying a direct link to the tiddlywiki for me, to see if I
>> should always be providing direct links going forward:
>> https://tiddlywiki-programming.neocities.org/CJ_TiddlyWikiProgramming.html
>>
>> Thanks !
>>
>> On Sunday, May 9, 2021 at 9:14:44 PM UTC-3 Charlie Veniot wrote:
>>
>>> Are you using a work computer?  Could be the workplace firewall is
>>> blocking access.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, May 9, 2021 at 9:11:53 PM UTC-3 Charlie Veniot wrote:
>>>
 Sounds like your computer does not allow access to neocities.  Not sure
 why it would do that.  I know of nothing nefarious related to
 neocities.

 On Sunday, May 9, 2021 at 6:11:28 PM UTC-3 David Gifford wrote:

> Chrome: " Your Internet access is blocked
>
> Firewall or antivirus software may have blocked the connection."
>
> On Sunday, May 9, 2021 at 4:09:44 PM UTC-5 David Gifford wrote:
>
>> "Firefox can’t establish a connection to the server at
>> tiddlywiki-programming.neocities.org."
>>
>> Just now.
>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Just a thought: embedding TiddlyWiki documentation in our TiddlyWikis?

[CJ Veniot]

Well, I've been programming ever since receiving a Commodore Vic-20 almost
40 years ago at the age of 13, and I am at my best (I think; definitely
having the most fun) dealing with complex and highly intertwingled
information/problems and architecting solutions with the tools at hand.

So the answer to "how do you come up with such a thing" would be, in short:
I bring 40 years of experience/skill/practices to the thing.

The long answer should probably involve a bunch of short and digestible
videos on specific little things that subconsciously (i.e. without
necessarily spelling it out) demonstrate things that are instinctive to me
which might lead to questions requiring other topical video demonstrations.

How about a quick and dirty demo of macro basics ?



On Sat, Apr 24, 2021 at 2:43 PM Ray Vermey  wrote:

> @charlie Veniot:
>
> Well the screenshot shows an oversight of TW documentation i guess?
> My 1st question would be: How do you make such a thing?
> And more importantly: where do i learn the basic commands for this?
> Yes i can look into the code of the wiki but that code only says about say
> 50% something to me.
> So i miss the information on how to program
>
> Thanks for your friendly answer.
>
> Ray
>
> Op za 24 apr. 2021 om 17:32 schreef Charlie Veniot :
>
>> Hey, my "gigle" stuff would be impossible to share.  It might leave most
>> folk quite scared.
>>
>> The Google stuff:  Add a Google calendar to your website
>> 
>>
>>- in my example, I excluded all of my calendars (private, shared, and
>>public)
>>- you can pick and choose which of your calendars to include
>>   - if your website is public, nobody but you will see your private
>>   stuff, and shared stuff will only be visible to you and the specific 
>> gmail
>>   users you've selected; the rest of the world will only see the public 
>> stuff
>>
>> As for the TiddlyWiki code, that I learned by digging into
>> TiddlyWiki.com, and hacking away at things to understand them.
>>
>> Maybe we can peck away at the code chunk by chunk to explain what is
>> going on.
>>
>> What is the first thing you would like to know about ?
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, April 24, 2021 at 12:00:30 PM UTC-3 rayv...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Charlie where can i find the gigle stuff you just showed?
>>> Looks awesome.
>>>
>>> Are there tutorials somewhere to learn to understand the code uses?
>>> I copy and paste the code in a tiddler, i see the result, but understand
>>> half of the code used.
>>> Do you know where i can learn to understand this stuff?
>>>
>>> This stuff i mean:
>>>
>>> \define AddTiddlyWikiTopic( topic )
>>> >> https://tiddlywiki.com/static/]addsuffix[.html]] }}}>$topic$
>>> \end
>>>
>>> \define AddWikipediaTopic( topic )
>>> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/]] }}}>$topic$
>>>
>>> \end
>>>
>>> <$select tiddler={{Docs!!title}} field="curr-topic">
>>> 
>>> <>
>>> <>
>>> <>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> <>
>>> <>
>>> <>
>>> 
>>> link
>>> 
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Ray
>>>
>>> Op za 24 apr. 2021 om 16:05 schreef Charlie Veniot :
>>>
 Screenshot for the $hit$ and the giggle$:

 [image: Screenshot 2021-04-24 11.02.24 AM - Display 1.png]

 On Saturday, April 24, 2021 at 11:00:26 AM UTC-3 Charlie Veniot wrote:

> My revised version uses Wikipedia's "mobile" view , which looks really
> nice in a narrow sidebar:
>
> \define AddTiddlyWikiTopic( topic )
>  https://tiddlywiki.com/static/]addsuffix[.html]] }}}>$topic$
> \end
>
> \define AddWikipediaTopic( topic )
>  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=]addsuffix[=toggle_view_mobile]]
> }}}>$topic$
> \end
>
> <$select tiddler={{Docs!!title}} field="curr-topic">
> 
> <>
> <>
> <>
> 
> 
> <>
> <>
> <>
> 
> link
> 
>
>
> On Saturday, April 24, 2021 at 10:49:48 AM UTC-3 ludwa6 wrote:
>
>> Thanks @Eric : it does indeed work nicely -only not in the sidebar;
>> after the streamlining you've done on Charlie's script, that 
>> functionality
>> seems to have been compromised.
>> @Hans: Have you implemented Eric's script without modification, and
>> does it display & function correctly in your sidebar?
>>
>> Anyway: Without really understanding the code, i'm now using Eric's
>> macro definition line at the top, followed by Charlie's UI-related code,
>> and that seems to work pretty well, tho the sidebar view doesn't flow so
>> well if it's set too narrow; i can certainly live w/ this -happy!/w
>>
>> 8<--(snip)->8
>>
>> \define AddTopic(topic) > [[$topic$]encodeuri[]addprefix[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/]]
>> }}}>$topic$
>>
>> <$select tiddler={{Wikipedia!!title}} field="curr-topic">
>> 
>> <>
>> <>
>> <>
>> link
>> > width="100%">
>>
>> 8<--(snip)->8
>> On Saturday, April 24, 

Re: [tw5] Re: Using TiddlyWiki for fact-based information modelling and database engineering ???

[CJ Veniot]

Aw shucks, thanks Tones.  Well-wishes and notes of sympathy are always
appreciated !

I've always had a sense of loyalty and dedication, so however banged-up, I
just could not give up on my employer.  Employer giving up on me is,
strangely enough, a huge sense of relief ... freedom!

All things unfold as they are meant to.  Cue The Story of the Chinese Farmer
 .

Well, now I have "freedom" on the brain:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMS2VnDveP8

On Thu, Dec 10, 2020 at 6:40 PM TW Tones  wrote:

> Charlie,
>
> Sad to hear a loss of employment may have being forced on you, but as you
> seem to know embrace it as the opportunity it is. One thing you can be sure
> of, this is one team you remain a member of.
>
> Tones
>
> On Friday, 11 December 2020 at 01:59:27 UTC+11 Charlie Veniot wrote:
>
>> G'day bobj,
>>
>> Just a quick note to say I've finally had a chance to have a first look
>> at your shared TW.
>>
>> Seeing as I tend to be slow as molasses, and need to read something
>> multiple times, as I'm dealing with a few too many distractions (loss of
>> employment as of last Thursday and now trying to figure out what I want to
>> be when I grow up).
>>
>> I am slightly deer in the headlights at the moment, so bear with me and
>> know that I definitely do not have you or this on ignore !
>>
>> On Thursday, December 3, 2020 at 1:00:47 AM UTC-4 bob...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Colleagues,
>>>
>>> all this thinking started by Charlie's initial posting, has led me to
>>> begin building a simple TW utilising the Toulmin Argument Model for
>>> representing links and associations between TW tiddlers. This is something
>>> I have been planning to do for some time, now that I am 'retired' I have
>>> the time.
>>>
>>> My reasoning is that a completed statement represents the context in
>>> which the link between Ground and Claim can be made. This then also
>>> supports many different reasons for creating an association between a set
>>> of Grounds and Claims each one providing a single instance of context in
>>> which the association is deemed valid.
>>>
>>> My thoughts so far:
>>> A statement can be considered like an IF...THEN statement but more
>>> complicated due to the additional elements, Warrant, Backing, Rebuttal and
>>> Qualifier. The IF part represents the Ground and the THEN part the Claim.
>>>
>>> The Qualifier could be a percentage value or some other statement of
>>> possibility/plausibility.
>>>
>>> Not all elements need to be utilised in any statement, only those that
>>> make sense for that particular statement.
>>>
>>> Elements can be re-used between statements
>>>
>>> Statements can be collected together into a domain of thought or
>>> applicability. Thus a single TW could cater for many domains.
>>>
>>> Each element is represented by its own tiddler and all tiddlers for a
>>> statement are linked together to form the completed statement. Links are
>>> stored as Field values in the statement tiddler and also in a Statement
>>> field of each element tiddler as the links are essentially many-to-many in
>>> ER terms.
>>>
>>> Quandries:
>>>
>>> How to handle content elements not text? Images, audio, video, etc...
>>>
>>> How to produce an 'active' instance of the domain, ie. an instance that
>>> functions follow some reasoning mechanism (ie. forward chaining...)
>>>
>>> Shared TW:
>>>
>>> http://turtlelane.com.au/Development/ToulminModel/toulmin.html
>>>
>>> Happy to have your input/thoughts/etc.
>>>
>>> bobj
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, 2 December 2020 at 15:30:11 UTC+11 Charlie Veniot wrote:
>>>
 Like misery, hyperactive-firing-on-all-cylinders synapses love company
 ...

 Although right here in this group is fine by me, I'm interested
 wherever discussion happens.

 On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 11:30:48 PM UTC-4 bob...@gmail.com
 wrote:

> Charlie, Tones, TiddlyTweeter
>
> first off, I hold you personally responsible for firing up my dormant
> synapses. Thanks for that, you have provided renewed impetus for me to
> continue pondering these issues, which I essentially ceased to do in any
> meaningful way since I left my research position at CSIRO (the Federal
> Government's research body in Australia). A dormant area of my brain has
> reawakened :-) This will also require me to unbox my library so suitable
> books can be re-queried (all my books are in storage as we have been 
> living
> most of the time in South Korea for the past decade. Corona has left us
> 'stranded' in Sydney).
>
> I will respond to the recent postings but, like Tones, need to think
> things through a bit more rather than provide a rambling nonsense of ideas
> and thoughts.
>
> One thought though. Maybe it is time to take discussion outside of
> this group. Not that I want to disenfranchise anybody but the discussion
> has wider ramifications/application 

[tw5] How to: adding comments in wiki text

[CJ Veniot]

Kind of a no-brainer for anybody who knows HTML, but just in case there are 
other folk at the same level I'm at :[image: Comments in TiddlyWiki.png]

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[tw5] Re: [Thumbnail] Using Tiddler as a Thumbnail

[CJ Veniot]

Eric:  Thanks for clarifying that speedily!  I'm a little late to the party 
over here.  And not particularly fashionably...

That details widget plugin is pretty sweet, eh?  Doesn't work on browsers 
that don't support HTML5, but nothing breaks (i.e. content is shown without 
the expanding/collapsing capability.)

I'm a big fan of things that let me see more details without moving away 
from a tiddler I'm focused on.

On Friday, July 31, 2020 at 9:25:34 AM UTC-3 Prestige wrote:

> Thanks everyone!!
> :)
>
> Also CJ, whats that macro you have " <$design ". I need that :p
>
> -Prestige
>
> On Friday, 31 July 2020 at 14:49:57 UTC+5:30 emilyk...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hi CJ, 
>>
>> That looks pretty helpful! I think I'll use it for shopping.
>>
>> Emily
>>
>> On Thursday, July 30, 2020 at 7:37:58 PM UTC-7 CJ Veniot wrote:
>>
>>> G'day,
>>>
>>> Probably no what you're looking for, but if only for the $hit$ and the 
>>> giggle$ (and the off-chance this does give you any neat ideas) ...
>>>
>>> I went with a custom solution (using template transclusions and such) so 
>>> that "product" thumbnails show up consistently, and clicking on a thumbnail 
>>> shows the full-sized image in a modal window.
>>>
>>> Check out:  
>>> https://intertwingularityslicendice.neocities.org/CJ_ProductReviews.html#Power%20Storage%20(Batteries)
>>>
>>> Cheers !
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, July 29, 2020 at 11:47:24 PM UTC-3 Prestige wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello everyone,
>>>>
>>>> Yet another query. Is there a way to add an image Tiddler to another 
>>>> Tiddler. It would be better if its one one side of the text. I tried this 
>>>> <>
>>>> Doesnt show anything but the space is cleared on the right side. 
>>>>
>>>> While using just [img[Image-1]], image Pops up inline. 
>>>>
>>>> Can someone please tell me how to handle images in a Tiddler. 
>>>>
>>>

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[tw5] Re: Curious Observation great date hack?, title field synonymous with currentTiddler & optional challenge.

[CJ Veniot]

That is such wickedly awesome stuff, but I should know better than to try 
to grasp all of this when I've already gone past my bedtime.

I'll be going to bed counting filters jumping over tiddlers.  Hoping to get 
a good sleep so I can look at this all over again bright-eyed and 
bushy-tailed.

Still bright enough at the moment to belt out a happy "BRAVO!"  and 
"ENCORE!"
On Thursday, July 30, 2020 at 11:02:51 PM UTC-3 TW Tones wrote:

> Folks,
>
> For the intellectually or wiki text, curious, I stumbled upon the 
> following as a result of someone else's code
>
> I have not yet published many wikis and plugins because I am still 
> exploring all the fundamental methods without resorting to javascript. This 
> is and example of how I overcame a serious limitation by discovering 
> something which is perhaps an undocumented feature. If there is a gap, I am 
> trying to fill it.
>
> However I give you notice I hope to publish a large number of macros, 
> tools and plugins in the near future, especially to support designers and 
> rapid development.
>
> Try this on tiddlywiki.com in a tiddler
> <$list filter="[range[10,100,10]]">
> {{!!title}}
> 
> This seems intuitive correct but if you think about it the `{{!!title}}` 
> field, does not exist for the virtual tiddlers that result from this range 
> widget.
>
> *Why would I care?*
>
>- In tiddlywiki the only inbuilt way to translate a date serial number 
>into a date is the view widget
>   - eg `<$view tiddler="" $field="" format="date" 
>   template="-0MM-0DD"/>`
>   - or  `<$view tiddler="" $field="" format="relativedate"/>`
>- Created and modified dates as fields are an exception to this rule 
>try {{!!created}} to see what I mean.
>- *The view widget does not permit variables as inpu*t, which has 
>being a long time annoyance to me
>- *I now have an avenue to bypass this limitation*, also observed in 
>use in some of JED's code
>
> For example provide a literal date as a variable via the list, but use the 
> title as a field
> <$list filter="[[20210506]]">
> <$view field=title format="date" template="-0MM-0DD"/>
> 
>
>- Not sure If I can get the relative date even with a full date serial 
>(yet)
>
> Another exciting development, try this
> <$list filter="[range[20210215,20210315,1]]">
> <$view field=title format="date" template="-0MM-0DD"/>
> 
> I am incrementing the date 2021/02/15 one day at a time until 2021/03/15
>
>- Notice the list* only returns valid dates*
>- Now you can get a list of *valid *dates 
>
> Recognises year change
> <$list filter="[range[20201225,20210105,1]]">
> <$view field=title format="date" template="-0MM-0DD"/>
> 
>
> Use to convert formats
> <$list filter="[[2020-12-25]split[-]join[]]">
> <$view field=title format="date" template="0DD/0MM/"/>
> 
> Whilst I could use join[/] I would not reorder the values, as in this case
>
> Other interesting and working examples
> <$list filter="[range[20201201,20211201,100]]">
> <$view field=title format="date" template="DDD -0MM-0DD"/>
> 
> What is the day of week of the first of every month?
>
> Adding 7 days creeps forward? Not quite right?
> <$list filter="[range[20201225,20210105,7]]">
> <$view field=title format="date" template="0WW DDD -0MM-0DD"/>
> 
> What is happening here, whats wrong with the order, is there a work around.
>
> *Conclusions*
>
>- Setting currentTiddler in a list via a filter allows you to use any 
>filter to set a value, including a variable and *use title as the 
>input to the ViewWidget*.
>- This opens the view widget up to any date even if it is a variable 
>(or any other widget with this limitation?)
>- given it only returns valid dates, it is a source of a series of 
>valid dates taking into account the changes inherit in calendars
>- It can be used to reformat any valid date even as a variable, or 
>generated with increments.
>- A set of easy to use wikitext macros can be written to count, 
>generate, manipulate dates, without any plugin or JavaScript code.
>
> *Optional challenge(s) *(for the reader)
>
>- It could be used to generate a method of counting days between two 
>dates (left for the curious) 
>   - Tip count the output?
>- Used to generate date tiddlers of any format.
>
> Regards
> TW Tones
>
>

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[tw5] Re: [Thumbnail] Using Tiddler as a Thumbnail

[CJ Veniot]

G'day,

Probably no what you're looking for, but if only for the $hit$ and the 
giggle$ (and the off-chance this does give you any neat ideas) ...

I went with a custom solution (using template transclusions and such) so 
that "product" thumbnails show up consistently, and clicking on a thumbnail 
shows the full-sized image in a modal window.

Check 
out:  
https://intertwingularityslicendice.neocities.org/CJ_ProductReviews.html#Power%20Storage%20(Batteries)

Cheers !



On Wednesday, July 29, 2020 at 11:47:24 PM UTC-3 Prestige wrote:

> Hello everyone,
>
> Yet another query. Is there a way to add an image Tiddler to another 
> Tiddler. It would be better if its one one side of the text. I tried this 
> <>
> Doesnt show anything but the space is cleared on the right side. 
>
> While using just [img[Image-1]], image Pops up inline. 
>
> Can someone please tell me how to handle images in a Tiddler. 
>

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[tw5] TiddlyWiki Use Case: A "products review" website

[CJ Veniot]

G'day,

I've trying to figure out a little project to really get into some serious 
transclusion, and this one does the trick for me, as per my related blog 
post:  Product Review Web Site: a TiddlyWiki Use Case 


(Well, I also want to get into macros.)

A snipit of code from the ListCategoryProducts Macro 

:

\define ListCategoryProducts(Category)

<$list filter="[tag[$Category$]sort[title]]">

<$button message="tm-modal" param={{!!image}} 
class="tc-btn-invisible"><$image source={{!!image}} width=128 alt="no 
image" tooltip="Click to view larger image">
<$link to={{!!title}} tooltip="Another tooltip">{{!!title}}



\end

An example of what the macro does:  see Solar Panels 

.

And a snipt of transclusion template code from tProductTiddler 

:


<>


* Purchased {{!!purchase_date}} by CJ from {{!!purchased_from}}

<$list filter="[all[current]tag[Solar Panels]]">

<$details summary="Solar Panel Specs">

|!Input Voltage | {{!!involt}} |





And use of that transclusion template in the GutReise Solar Energy Kit 

 
tiddler.

BTW: click on any thumbnail to view bigger images.

Cheers !

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[tw5] Re: For a reader, is TiddlyWiki better than reading a PDF, and why?

[CJ Veniot]

G'day TW Tones and all, 

This is such an awesome thread.  And I'm oh-so-envious of how all of you 
are so smoking good at eloquently expressing them quality thoughts.

With the wiki product I use at work to document the software system I 
support, I have the information componentized to the hilt so that I can 
provide the various information views for various purposes/audiences: 
operational support, project/task management, user help/guides, 
architectural, change logs, release planning/history, help desk ... ad 
infinitum, ad nauseum.

So write once, use and reuse everywhere.  Intertwingled journeys galore.

Just throwing that out there 'cause TW Tones' example use case of multiple 
views gets my intertwingularity mojo right excited.  *(Yeah, I love this 
stuff.  It just tends to hurtle out of me like overcooked spaghetti flung 
at a wall.)*

Huh, everything is linked to everything else by pretty much one degree of 
separation.  I just got a flashback to the Patch Adams "pool of noodles" 
scene:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5RN8cYKCJ4


On Tuesday, July 21, 2020 at 8:47:50 AM UTC-3, TW Tones wrote:
>
> CJ,
>  
>
>> Sure, when writing a book in TiddlyWiki, you can certainly provide 
>> different sequences for content, but that gets hard trying to imagine 
>> different sequences.  Much easier to provide just one linear journey, but 
>> if you think of different linear journeys: cool.  
>>
>
> This comment reminds me of a compelling use I put tiddlywiki to before I 
> decided to go out on my own as a business. My last working resume was built 
> in tiddlywiki. I could customise and generate multiple views according to 
> who I was sending it to, including shot and long forms. I even had pdf and 
> word versions generated and available to the reader.
>
> Dynamic and adaptive documents are really good in tiddlywiki.
>
> One conceptual leap I have heard of which is not yet a reality is using 
> analytics more. In this case the way you use a document can have all kind 
> of analytics on your use collected then provided back to you so you can 
> learn about your own interaction with the document. and also provide 
> insight into your interests and all before we even consider alternate 
> versions like the readers digest version included with the full version, 
> annotations and automatic glossaries and more.
>
> The thing is what can be done with such interactive documents is still in 
> its infancy.
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
>
>

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[tw5] Re: For a reader, is TiddlyWiki better than reading a PDF, and why?

[CJ Veniot]

G'day Mobil Home,

To me, there is absolutely nothing wrong with a static PDF until I find 
myself bouncing around a lot between pages because something on Page X 
causes me to go back to Page X - Y, and I find myself trying to follow a 
thread in my head that the PDF isn't supporting.

That's when the ability to see extra information related to the current 
page, without leaving the current page, is oh-so-awesome.  Whether it be 
with simple things like modals or reveal widgets or tabs, or some other 
add-on mechanisms to see extra "stuff".

i.e. the ability to take a short non-linear side-trip within the greater 
linear journey.

That reminds me of a bit from this lecture by Ted Nelson, starting around 
at the 8:11 mark and  to the 13:30 mark :
https://youtu.be/9FqVqZXUFUQ?t=491

Sure, when writing a book in TiddlyWiki, you can certainly provide 
different sequences for content, but that gets hard trying to imagine 
different sequences.  Much easier to provide just one linear journey, but 
if you think of different linear journeys: cool.  To me, nothing wrong with 
just one linear journey, but the ability to take those short non-linear 
side-trips without losing the contextual milestone of the greater journey, 
that is the dynamic goodness of TiddlyWiki over static PDF.

Hmm.  I think that turned into a philosophical projectile rant rather than 
actual help.  Oops?  (Crap:  now I have "Oops, I did it again" stuck in my 
sponge...)



On Monday, July 20, 2020 at 2:35:03 PM UTC-3, Mobil Home wrote:
>
> I am thinking to publish "e-books" in TiddlyWiki format, but the problem 
> is that I cannot publish it via Amazon Kindle Self Publishing  in 
> TiddlyWiki format.
>
> So the question arised:
>
> From the reader perspective, is reading something (something with high 
> complexity) in TiddlyWiki a better experience than reading it in an 
> advanced PDF or E-Book format?
>
> What are the pros and cons?
>
> Is TiddlyWiki more suitable for publishing books than E-Book and advanced 
> PDF format?
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Need opinions on adding proper attribution statements in publicly shared TiddlyWikis

[CJ Veniot]

G'day and thanks, Chris,

Although it isn't rocket science, I can't pretend I really have much of a 
clue how to go about beyond-proper attributions.

I do find it all really interesting, though, and I really like giving 
credit for the good stuff (which I use and very much appreciate) created by 
right good folk.

You guys keep the TiddlyWiki universe shining bright !


On Sunday, July 12, 2020 at 2:29:03 PM UTC-3, clutterstack wrote:
>
>
> Hi CJ,
>
> Do you mean the info in the bottom corner and under the "Licences" link? 
> It looks good to me in the sense that it highlights (even advertises) 
> TiddlyWiki and the Relink plugin as someone else's work, and provides 
> copies of their own licenses. 
>
> I worry a bit that if users paste static text re: links and licenses, it 
> may become onerous to keep up to date; a license tab in any plugin seems a 
> good solution to me, but not all plugins have them. I think this type of 
> thing must have come up before, but I am convinced Google intends to kill 
> Groups by attrition through neglect and terrible search.
>
> Given that this document is specifically about incorporating the work of 
> others into a working document, it's very nice that you go to so much work 
> over the attributions.
>
> I think it would be beneficial to have a standard way (through the plugin 
> mechanism) to clearly advertise TiddlyWiki and the great plugins people 
> find useful. I'd be interested to see whether the big fish here have 
> something to say.
>
> Cheers,
> Chris
>

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[tw5] Need opinions on adding proper attribution statements in publicly shared TiddlyWikis

[CJ Veniot]

G'day all,

I'm just wondering if what I've done is good enough, or if I need to do 
some more to cover all the bases (whatever those bases are!)

I'm kind of like a fish out of water here.  A tiddler out of water !

Please, let me know what you think:  
https://intertwingularityslicendice.neocities.org/CJ_TiddlyWiki_Configuration.html

Much appreciated !

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[tw5] Re: Italian Pasta - List of Pasta Varieties

[CJ Veniot]

I love pasta, and I am a huge TiddlyWiki fan.

Pasta and TiddlyWiki?  That is a marriage that makes me right happy!  *Che 
bello! *

On Thursday, July 9, 2020 at 7:52:57 AM UTC-3, Duarte Farrajota Ramos wrote:
>
> Hey guys, do you like Italian pasta?
>
> After quite a few years on and off in the making I can finally say I 
> finished my long term project of documenting many common types of Italian 
> Pasta.
>
> http://pasta.duarteramos.pt
> (Warning site contains some large images if your have limited bandwidth or 
> a slow device)
>
> [image: DPFR_ItalianPastaChart_S.jpg]
>
>
> It'd be totally off-topic here other than the site being powered by out 
> beloved TiddlyWiki. There is nothing fancy or particularly remarkable 
> Tiddly-wise, just an attestment to its versatility.
>
> Revealing a little more technical details about it, it was started in 
> version 5.1.11 back in 2016, and has been in the making for the past four 
> years, though most of the time it was actually just stalled as I 
> procrastinated or attended other matters.
> Makes use of plenty of Wiki Filters, View Templates, SVG vector icons, 
> some CSS numbered tables and other minor tricks I learned (read stole eheh) 
> here and there through the web.
> The original Past Chart  was 
> made from a large SVG file with links.
> It started with some basic research about pasta names and types, then went 
> on to actually try to figure out what they look like, describing them, and 
> real world measurements for reference that would allow the creation of the 
> 3D models.
> Illustrations were all made with Blender 3D , 
> rendered with EEVEE and labeled in Inkscape . 
> Original render was huge, 24000 x 12000 pixels, takes about forty minutes 
> to produce, and has to be rendered in four parts and cobbled together.
>
> Hope you find like it.
>
>

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[tw5] How I configure TiddlyWiki instances (guide in the works)

[CJ Veniot]

G'day Tiddlians,

Just in case this is useful to anybody *(TiddlyWiki newbs in particular)* 
...

I'm in the process of documenting my standard setup for my TiddlyWiki 
instances via blogging and putting together a related TiddlyWiki guide *(in 
a TiddlyWiki instance, of course)*.


   - Intertwingularity Mapping with TiddlyWiki: TiddlyWiki Configuration 
   (part1) 
   



   - TiddlyWiki Configuration (part2, with a transclusion use case) 
   



   - CJ's Configuring TiddlyWiki 
   

*(TiddlyWiki instance hosted over at NeoCities)*


Please, if you have any ideas/questions/suggestions/comments/jokes/ 
anecdotes , I always welcome all of those something silly.

Cheers !

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[tw5] Re: capture values to then draw a historical chart ?

[CJ Veniot]

G'day Sebastian,

Drawing a chart is way out of my league, but I'll offer some thoughts in 
case they are useful.

I can't help but want to divide things up in a way that makes sense to me, 
but may very much be overboard ...

I imagine a tiddler called you.  But then I imagine a whole bunch of 
tiddlers, one per day, each tagged with a "Daily Numbers" tag (or whatever 
tag makes sense.)

All of these "Daily Numbers" tiddlers are journal tiddlers with those 
weight and pressure fields.

I'm not sure how to go about it, but seems to me I've seen examples of 
using a tiddler data entry form for creation of new tiddlers and setting 
the values of fields for the new tiddlers.  Not something I've ever done 
myself.

Then the hard work:  getting the list of all tiddlers tagged "Daily 
Numbers", along with their field values, and putting them in a chart (D3 
plugin?)  Again, stuff I've never done myself.

Side note: there's got to be a way to get the most current "Daily Numbers" 
tiddler to show, on the "you" tiddler, the most recent values for weight 
and pressure.

Please, take all of that with a heaping amount of salt.  I wish I could 
offer up something with way more meat on the bone.

Whatever you come up with, I sure look forward to seeing it.

Cheers !

On Saturday, June 27, 2020 at 8:17:46 PM UTC-3, Sebastian Ovide wrote:
>
> imagine a tiddler called "me" and it has a field called "weight" and one 
> called "pressure". Once a day I can updates those values. As they change 
> over time, I'd like to draw a chart (perhaps a plugin or macro using JS). 
>
> Does it makes sense ?
>
> On Saturday, 27 June 2020 22:06:55 UTC+1, Mat wrote:
>>
>> I don't understand - why can't you just save the original tiddler that 
>> already has the values? Or are you talking about making a template which is 
>> then used for each date instance?
>>
>> Also note that DataTiddler 
>> is a special concept in 
>> TW. It doesn't seem like this is what you're referring to - but maybe you 
>> are, and if you're not maybe you should consider it :-)
>>
>> <:-)
>>
>

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[tw5] Minimalist me: using unicode characters instead of images

[CJ Veniot]

G'day all,

Just a silly fyi in case it is of any use to anybody ...

Although I often delve in likely over-complicating by intertwingulitis, I 
do tend to keep some things just good enough.

Instead of using images/icons, I usually stick with unicode characters to 
get the job done (for all kinds of good web resources, like  
https://unicode.org/emoji/charts/full-emoji-list.html.)

See this example of a use case in my RAD.sb TiddlyWiki 

. 

Cheers !

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[tw5] Re: Showcase: RAD.sb TiddlyWiki instance

[CJ Veniot]

Aw shucks, thanks Birthe C.  Unexpected warm fuzzies are a fun gift.

I can't offer much to TiddlyWiki development-wise, but if I can somehow 
contribute some ideas via sample TiddlyWiki use cases, then I'm in.

Suffering from "intertwingulitis 
<https://intertwingularityslicendice.neocities.org/IntertwingularitySlicenDice.html#Intertwingulitis>"
 
, I'm always desperate to organize the flood of things in my head (like a 
huge, disorganized mess of puzzle pieces) into a visual form (a "completed" 
puzzle) so I can see it and say "there it is, I see it, I understand it").

   - Technically recently diagnosed with ADHD (without climbing the walls, 
   as in no outer physical phenomena going on, but some serious "everything is 
   connected to everything" over-stimulation, which I prefer call 
   intertwingulitis because that's way more fun to me, explains it better for 
   me, and I'm a bit of a Ted Nelson 
   <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Nelson> fan.

So if this old sponge o' mine is going to be crazier than a Space X rocket 
full of hamsters fighting over an exercise wheel mid-way to Mars, might as 
well do something on-the-off-chance-useful to other folk.

If you enjoy the occasional stiff drink, might as well nurse a fine one 
while experiencing this carnival ride ...

   - Might I recommend for all to try:  pick your favourite dark rum, a 
   couple ounces in a tall glass, an overflowing tablespoon or two of pure 
   maple syrup, and top up with water (and/or a few ice cubes)!  Puts me in a 
   right zen place just thinking about it...



On Saturday, May 23, 2020 at 1:06:52 PM UTC-3, Birthe C wrote:
>
> CJ Veniot,
>
> I must be the most unlikely of readers. Knowing nothing about development 
> or programming. But I enjoy your writing style. I followed a link to a 
> neocities site of yours. Writing about Geocities and more. Reading this is 
> like reliving the era. Thank you!
>
>
> Birthe
>

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[tw5] Re: Showcase: RAD.sb TiddlyWiki instance

[CJ Veniot]

G'day and Happy Saturday!  *(Well, happy whichever current day anybody 
happens to read this.)*

*Aside*:

   - When I say/write "SQLWindows", the majority of people think SQL.  
   SQLWindows *(that is the really old name for the product)* is a 4GL 
   Windows programming tool
  - Back in the 90's, SQLWindows and PowerBuilder were top products for 
  Windows development of, typically, corporate database applications with 
  whatever database back-end products
   - "SQLWindows" today is owned by OpenText, and the product is called 
   "Gupta Team Developer"
   - If you have some free time, this OpenText introduction to "Gupta Team 
   Developer" is pretty good:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W62upK1QjGU

I have more of a devotion to "SQLWindows" than to SQL.  Don't get me wrong, 
I LOVE SQL ever since getting introduced to relational algebra back in my 
university years.  And I rather enjoy the kind of application development 
for Windows that involves a database.

Career-wise, I am (sticking to modern monikers) an "OpenText Gupta Team 
Developer" + Oracle DB back-end specialist.

But that's my day job.

I've always loved programming ever since my early years with my Commodore 
Vic-20 and BASIC.  Today, I get my hobby programming fix with SpiderBasic, 
which fits me better than anything else out there.  Light, fun, works A-1 
on my Linux-enabled Chromebook, compiles to javascript so apps will work on 
any browser, and I'm fascinated by it.

SpiderBasic only works with SQLite, which isn't a bad thing, really.  
SpiderBasic is all about creation of client-side web applications, and 
SQLite is an excellent choice for that.  Plus: SpiderBasic + SQLite + Kexi 
makes for a pretty awesome suite for the full RAD monty on a tight budget 
and zero tolerance for anything "heavy".  (Unless I'm building corporate 
applications, then I'm all about "Gupta Team Developer" with a preference 
for Oracle back-end.)

There seem to be some pretty sweet no-code/zero-code options out there that 
do intrigue me a little.  But this kid wants to code.

RAD.sb is a pretty ambitious project, but I'm a pretty happy camper when 
tackling intertwingularity (a mission with loads of 
interconnected/intertwined things to consider).  Rock'n roll!

Oops.  I got wordy.

All of that aside, I love wikis in general, and am completely fascinated 
with (and a huge fan of) TiddlyWiki.  So documenting RAD.sb with 
TiddlyWiki, that just makes me giddy and full of warm fuzzies all over.

*My RAD suite, along with SpiderBasic + SQLite + Kexi (and Neocities for 
deployment),  includes TiddlyWiki for RAD documentation.*

On Saturday, May 23, 2020 at 10:43:23 AM UTC-3, HansWobbe wrote:
>
> Hi: 
>
> Thanks for sharing this introductory information. I quite enjoyed it; 
> being more of an Oldie than a Newbie, myself.
>
> I admire your obvious ambition in starting your RAD.sb development since 
> you did state that this would be a large, long-term undertaking.  And your 
> long-term devotion to SQL is also something I understand.  Those points, 
> however, leave me curious as to why you are apparently now using as of the 
> light-weight variant such as SQLlite.
>
> Cheers,
> Hans
>
>

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[tw5] Showcase: RAD.sb TiddlyWiki instance

[CJ Veniot]

G'day all,

Although I don't find writing particularly easy,  I fiercely enjoy the 
challenge.

Maybe I enjoy the challenge of writing because I am ridiculously happy when 
organizing a whole mess of deeply intertwingled 
topics/thoughts/concepts/ideas.

Might be a wee sprinkling of OCPD/ADHD juicing all o' that.

Anyhoo ...

I've always thought that even the silliest out-of-left-field thinking can 
sometimes trigger some of the best ideas.

In that spirit, I submit to you this latest TiddlyWiki endeavor o' mine 
just in case there's anything in there that gives you any oh-so-awesome 
big-brain moments of TiddlyWiki magic to share:

RAD.sb - a rapid application development framework for SpiderBasic 
 

Cheers !

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[tw5] Re: Personal News

[CJ Veniot]

Jeremy, dear intertwingularity-tamer-extraordinaire,

I am fiercely fighting my instinct to delve into "too soon" covid-19 
wise-cracks and quack out-of-left-field absurd remedy suggestions.

You know, voodoo imaginations like rubbing pig sweat under the soles of 
your feet.  That just wastes your time and the treadmill just annoys the 
pig.

Hmmm, bacon.

Please do take it easy, get back on your feet without any hiccups, try and 
get loads of sun (if that's an easy thing to do in your corner o' the 
world), get your vitamin C / D / garlic (or whatever antioxidants and 
immune boosters that suit your fancy).  I'm also a big believer in cayenne 
pepper and turmeric, but that might just be placebo wishful thinking ...

Best wishes to ya, lad.  You and yours get to speedy recovery.

On Monday, May 18, 2020 at 5:59:36 AM UTC-3, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> I should let you all know that I have somehow contracted Covid-19, despite 
> being in careful lockdown for two months. I haven't been tested (this is 
> the UK), but the symptoms have gradually become unmistakeable over the last 
> week and a half. It's all tolerable at the moment, and I remain hopeful 
> that this is a mild dose of the disease. My doctor says that I can be 
> cautiously optimistic that I've had symptoms for so long without developing 
> the really dangerous ones. I've been told unequivocally to rest, and so 
> I'll likely be out of action for at least a few days. 
>
> I'm very happy there's so much activity on the group just now, but 
> naturally frustrated not to be able to keep up. Hopefully I'll be back 
> soon, and in the meantime please take care of yourselves and each other, 
>
> Best wishes 
>
> Jeremy 
>
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[tw5] Re: Relink, and setting up button widgets for modals

[CJ Veniot]

To me, {{tiddlertitle!!title}} is doing the trick everywhere.

But I am always out to learn new tricks.  So now I want to navigate the 
recesses of your sponge to see what neat little things I can add to my own 
sponge.

Is "orgname" = "original title"?  Not much use to me, I think, because I 
change tiddler titles repeatedly, without caring about the original title 
or the transitions between original title and current title.

If I did need it, though, the full list of all titles in the history of a 
tiddler would be nice, but I'd probably track that on my own in some sort 
of change log.

And now I'm thinking:  as often as I wind up tweaking tiddler titles, I'd 
also be tweaking orgnames too.  So double-tweaking?  More of a mess because 
I'm forever fiddling with titles and orgnames?

Anyway, all of that paralysis by analysis aside, what problem would orgname 
solve for you?  Dollars to donuts, I've probably got the same problem and I 
don't yet know it...

On Monday, March 16, 2020 at 2:16:37 AM UTC-3, A Gloom wrote:
>
>
>>
>> Actually I see an application here-- to change-proof macros and widgets 
> from later tiddler title changes {{tiddlertitle!!orgname}}
>
> orgname field would be set on tiddler creation using original title so if 
> you hate having to go find a tiddler tilte that is being changed in every 
> widget throughout a wiki-- the orgname field wouldn't change with title 
> edits
>

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[tw5] Re: Relink, and setting up button widgets for modals

[CJ Veniot]

Lunacy?  Well, then: I'm your Huckleberry.  ("Tombstone" reference I use at 
every opportunity!)

On Monday, March 16, 2020 at 2:47:40 AM UTC-3, A Gloom wrote:
>
> >< actually that won't work-- the tidller titile change would make the 
> tiddlertitle portion of the transclusion invalid-- back to the drawing 
> board after I get another dozen cups of coffee first
>
> >> but I've got to find ways to contribute somehow ...
>
> understood-- here too-- I've resorted to lunacy to contribute >> <<
>

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[tw5] Re: Relink, and setting up button widgets for modals

[CJ Veniot]

I had forgotten, I was having the same pain-in-the-caboose issue with 
Tidgraph.

So instead of:  <$tidgraph *start="Mapping Approaches"* layout="S" 
maxdepth="1" startat="1"/>

I am now doing this:  <$tidgraph *start={{Mapping Approaches!!title}}* 
layout="S" maxdepth="1" startat="1"/>

Me still being the TiddlyWiki newbie, I'm sure there are all kinds of other 
situations (I haven't run into yet), in which a tiddler name is a parameter 
enclosed in double-quotes.  I'm thinking all of these situations need 
changing to {{tiddler-name!!title}} so that Relink works with 
anything/everything.

Of course, Relink is oh-so-important to me because I am a tweaker, always 
starting with tiddler names that I know aren't quite right, but are good 
enough for the moment until I iteratively and incrementally get that 
perfect tiddler name ... 

On Sunday, March 15, 2020 at 11:46:55 PM UTC-3, CJ Veniot wrote:
>
> G'day all,
>
> Just in case there are other newbies like me who ever run into this ...
>
> I am a huge fan of the Relink plug-in, and ran into this wee issue today 
> learning how to use modals in TW.
>
> The following in one of my tiddlers pops up a modal displaying the "Under 
> Construction" tiddler:
>
> <$button message="tm-modal" *param="Under Construction"*>This site is a 
> work in progress
>
> The problem I ran into:  Changing the name of the tiddler "Under 
> Construction" to something else, Relink doesn't change the param above, 
> which makes sense because that would really (in my mind, anyway) make 
> Relink way more complicated than necessary.  *(i.e. I think it would be a 
> bad idea to change Relink to handle Tiddler name changes in any "param".)*
>
> So easy to handle the problem above with the following easy change to the 
> button widget, which works A-1 with Relink:
>
> <$button message="tm-modal" *param={{Under Construction!!title}}*>This 
> site is a work in progress
>
> Relink can find that {{UnderConstruction!!title}} no problem, and change 
> that as per however the tiddler name gets altered.
>
> Nothing particularly earth-chattering, but I've got to find ways to 
> contribute somehow ...
>
> Cheers !
>

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[tw5] Relink, and setting up button widgets for modals

[CJ Veniot]

G'day all,

Just in case there are other newbies like me who ever run into this ...

I am a huge fan of the Relink plug-in, and ran into this wee issue today 
learning how to use modals in TW.

The following in one of my tiddlers pops up a modal displaying the "Under 
Construction" tiddler:

<$button message="tm-modal" *param="Under Construction"*>This site is a 
work in progress

The problem I ran into:  Changing the name of the tiddler "Under 
Construction" to something else, Relink doesn't change the param above, 
which makes sense because that would really (in my mind, anyway) make 
Relink way more complicated than necessary.  *(i.e. I think it would be a 
bad idea to change Relink to handle Tiddler name changes in any "param".)*

So easy to handle the problem above with the following easy change to the 
button widget, which works A-1 with Relink:

<$button message="tm-modal" *param={{Under Construction!!title}}*>This site 
is a work in progress

Relink can find that {{UnderConstruction!!title}} no problem, and change 
that as per however the tiddler name gets altered.

Nothing particularly earth-chattering, but I've got to find ways to 
contribute somehow ...

Cheers !

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[tw5] Re: I love TiddlyWiki because...

[CJ Veniot]

I love TiddlyWiki because it is the best thing (since sliced bread!) around 
for Intertwingularity Mapping, for Information Componentization, and for 
*(still 
working on my wording) *weaving Information Assembly .

Well, that's my "Alpha 0.1 
"
 
explanation of it...


On Monday, March 5, 2018 at 7:41:21 AM UTC-4, TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> This thread is a continuation from Positive Assertions In One Sentence ... 
> 
>  
> Here is a start ...
>
> I love #TiddlyWiki  because 
> ... of, in two words:  Radical #transclusion 
> .
>
> @TiddlyTweeter
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Re: [tw5] Re: Consider renaming TiddlyWiki

[CJ Veniot]

Arg.  My paralysis by analysis is acting up ...

Just from a non-technical / user perspective, I see TiddlyWiki as a "*solutions 
platform*": Getting Things Done (GTD), blogging solution, task management, 
web site creation, personal note-taking/KM solution, PIM, inventory 
database (CD/Movie/etc. collection, genealogy, etc.), and so on and so 
forth to infinity and beyond.

I think I kind of get calling it a syntax/specification from an 
nuts-and-bolts-innards-techie perspective, but that doesn't make much sense 
to me from a strictly end-user perspective.  So yeah, I don't see 
TiddlyWiki as a "*software development/deployment platform"* or framework.

Just saying, from a total regular-Joe viewpoint.

BTW:  I totally enjoyed reading your post.  Really nice addition to a 
mightily enjoyable thread o' discussion.

On Thursday, March 12, 2020 at 12:07:58 PM UTC-3, Arlen Beiler wrote:
>
> TiddlyWiki is not a multi-user platform. In fact, it is arguably not a 
> platform at all. It is actually a syntax. It is a specification, not a 
> library. It can be implemented in any language. Jeremy has implemented it 
> in a Javascript library (wikitext parser) and single-user document 
> framework (core widgets) in the browser. He decided to call them all 
> TiddlyWiki for confusion's sake (just kidding, it actually makes sense). It 
> could just as easily be implemented in PHP as a server-side multi-user CMS 
> (assuming you call several thousand hours of work easy). Sure, the UI might 
> be slightly different if implemented like that, but it would still be 
> TiddlyWiki. 
>
> That was the original direction TiddlyWiki Five was headed. Popular demand 
> has since been slowly pushing it toward some Javascript dependencies, but 
> it is still a specification. I haven't been innocent of that either, having 
> originally not comprehended the full scope of the project. 
>
> It just so happens that browsers make it really easy to implement 
> specifications that only involve one user editing a document at a time and 
> not needing to serve it across the network. The network optimizations came 
> much later in the form of TiddlyServer and Bob, as well as some 
> improvements in the core --listen command. 
>
> It definitely fits in with other wikis. The common feature of all wikis is 
> the ability to link between pages, and to easily create new pages, and 
> organize those pages using templates. I came from MediaWiki, and while the 
> framework isn't the same, the specification is very similar. The word 
> "wiki" puts it in a category that you can expect certain features from, and 
> while it isn't multi-user, it actually is very easy to have multiple people 
> edit it, especially with the Node version and a few tweaks. It isn't really 
> meant for WikiPedia, but then again WikiPedia has outgrown its own wikitext 
> many times over. I would have been thrilled to have some of the features of 
> TiddlyWiki syntax in MediaWiki back when I was an editor on WikiPedia. 
> That's why I switched to TiddlyWiki. Some things are just so much easier. 
>
> And nothing is harder, except MediaWiki allows you to transclude an open 
> tag without closing it and then close it later with a second template! In 
> tiddlywiki you have to put the whole thing in a macro and use a set widget 
> to get the header and footer then include them as substitutions. You can't 
> do it in the main part of the page. But that's a minor problem and has a 
> rather simple fix I thought of just now. 
>
> Anyway, hope that gives some perspective on the possibilities of what we 
> have in our hands. From someone who has spent his TiddlyWiki time poking 
> around the Javascript implementation and trying to make it do stuff it 
> wanted to be able to do but never got around to doing. Ok, I know that 
> sounds funny, but in the early days there were a lot of stubs in the code 
> and it was obvious that certain things were intended to be implemented but 
> there was never a demand for it so it never happened. 
>
> One of these days I'll write a multi-user plugin. Jeremy is working on an 
> update to make syncing more dependable which will make it a lot easier. And 
> the server has already been updated. One of these days, it's going to 
> happen. 
>
> Arlen
>
> On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 7:21 AM David Gifford  > wrote:
>
>> https://images.app.goo.gl/ocbyB1U2xTK5wVb98
>>
>> On Thursday, March 12, 2020 at 2:39:40 AM UTC-6, Ste Wilson wrote:
>>>
>>> David wins! Orangutan for the win! Chimp was so last comment! :D
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[tw5] Re: Consider renaming TiddlyWiki

[CJ Veniot]

Componentized Hypertext Information Management Platform ?

Looking at Component content management system 
, I 
pulled out the following which I think apply to TiddlyWiki:

   - manages content at a granular level (component) rather than at the 
   document level
   - Each component represents a single topic, concept or asset
   - Each component is only stored one time in the content, providing a 
   single, trusted source of content
   - These components are then reused (rather than copied and pasted) 
   within a document or across multiple documents.
   - This ensures that content is consistent across the entire 
   documentation set
   - The use of components can also reduce the amount of time it takes to 
   update and maintain content as changes only need to be made once, in one 
   component.
   - Components can be as large as a chapter or as small as a definition or 
   even a word.
   - Components in multiple content assemblies (content types) can be 
   viewed as components or as traditional documents.

The only reason I don't like the word "content": sounds too much like 
content management, and Tiddly Wiki is a platform about whatever anyone 
needs:  content, knowledge, information, Getting Things Done, inventory 
cataloger, genealogy database, concept/mind mapping, blogging, web site 
creation, etc. etc. etc.  Such a buffet of possibilities...

Of course, I get into vocabulary paralysis by analysis, so pay no mind to 
me !

As I read, and enjoy, each post in this thread, I come back full-circle 
each time:  I do prefer "TiddlyWiki", "TW", "TiddlyWiki Platform" and 
TonyM's "TW Platform".  Although I often get way too wordy, I really 
appreciate minimalism.

On Wednesday, March 11, 2020 at 4:04:04 PM UTC-3, Mohammad wrote:
>
> I vote for this: Content Hypertext Info Management Platform or a suitable 
> abbreviation!
>
> Thank you all.
>
> On Wednesday, March 11, 2020 at 9:24:40 PM UTC+3:30, PMario wrote:
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 11, 2020 at 6:24:42 PM UTC+1, Julio Peña wrote:
>>>
>>> that's funny!
>>> Good one!
>>>
>>> CHIMP: "Content Hypertext Info Mgmt Platform"hehehe.
>>>
>>
>> Love that :) I think it should be written without abbreviations to 
>> make it even more impressive :)
>>
>> "Content Hypertext Information Management Platform" 
>>
>>  Yea, that's a name!
>>
>> -m
>>
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[tw5] Re: Consider renaming TiddlyWiki

[CJ Veniot]

OMG, que bueno!

I did not expect that.  So frigging awesome (a gift that keeps on giving)!  
I will be giggling like a little school girl the rest o' the day.

Thanks, Julio !


On Wednesday, March 11, 2020 at 2:24:42 PM UTC-3, Julio Peña wrote:
>
> that's funny!
> Good one!
>
> CHIMP: "Content Hypertext Info Mgmt Platform"hehehe.
>
> On Wednesday, March 11, 2020 at 12:48:05 PM UTC-4, CJ Veniot wrote:
>>
>> Total aside:  I see "CMP"  and I immediately think "CHIMP".  Riddle me 
>> that ...
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Consider renaming TiddlyWiki

[CJ Veniot]

Loads of potential for discussion, me thinks.

Content Management?  Knowledge Management?  Information Management?  
Information Mapping?   All of those (and then some) have certain meaning, 
which puts me into serious intertwingulitis.

To me, "Platform" is kind of a nice catch all for any and all purposes 
without getting locked-in on any particular angle.

The real beauty/strength of TiddlyWiki is the ability to "maximise the 
possibilities for re-use by slicing information up into the smallest 
semantically meaningful units with rich modelling of relationships between 
them."  Fantastic for  "aggregation and composition to weave the fragments 
together to present" multiple narratives.  "TiddlyWiki aspires to provide 
an algebra for tiddlers, a concise way of expressing and exploring the 
relationships between items of information."

So if a little something can be put into a longer moniker that captures 
that beauty/strength, that would be awesome.  Hence that "Information 
Componentization"  (kind of a mouthful) bit o' fluff brought to you by wee 
old me.

Although not a fan of renaming anything, I'm a lover and not a fighter, 
plus I am totally enjoying this discussion and the really great stuff folk 
are bringing up.  Virtual fist-bumps to all !

Total aside:  I see "CMP"  and I immediately think "CHIMP".  Riddle me that 
...

On Wednesday, March 11, 2020 at 1:22:28 PM UTC-3, Julio Peña wrote:
>
> Hi there all,
>
> On CJ's first point: yeah I'd also like the "TW Platform" name for the 
> product as a short name.
>
> On CJ's second point: I'd like to see something along the lines of content 
> management (maybe I'm using
> the wrong term, please forgive me if I am). As I see TiddlyWiki lends 
> itself strongly to the gathering
> and manipulation of information.
>
> So with this in mind: "TW Content Management Platform"  or TiddlyWiki CMP 
> (?)
>
> All the best,
> Julio
>
>
> On Wednesday, March 11, 2020 at 12:01:28 PM UTC-4, CJ Veniot wrote:
>>
>> I like TonyM's "TW Platform", if considered the "short name" for the 
>> product.
>>
>> A longer moniker, just to describe the product, might be nice.  An idea 
>> for the $hit$ and the giggle$:
>>
>>- TW Information Componentization Platform?
>>   - I rather like this as a long form to go along with TonyM's 
>>   shorter "TW Platform"
>>   - TiddlyWiki Information Componentization Platform ?
>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Consider renaming TiddlyWiki

[CJ Veniot]

Whatever happens, as long as "TiddlyWiki" stays somehow part of the product 
name, and "Tiddler" stays as the word for a "node" of information (I am 
rather fond of the "Philosophy of Tiddlers"...), I can't see me having any 
reason to grumble ...

I like TonyM's "TW Platform", if considered the "short name" for the 
product.

A longer moniker, just to describe the product, might be nice.  An idea for 
the $hit$ and the giggle$:

   - TW Information Componentization Platform?
  - I rather like this as a long form to go along with TonyM's shorter 
  "TW Platform"
  - TiddlyWiki Information Componentization Platform ?
   

On Monday, March 2, 2020 at 9:08:23 AM UTC-4, bimlas wrote:
>
> Continuation of the 
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tiddlywiki/MKVwkEmCimQ thread.
>
> In a nutshell: TiddlyWiki is gaining popularity because it appears in more 
> articles and podcasts, but most of the time they smile at its name, so it 
> doesn't seem to be taken seriously (although at the end of the test they 
> usually praise the software itself). The name TiddlyWiki may hinder its 
> distribution, so we should consider renaming it.
>

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[tw5] Re: Consider renaming TiddlyWiki

[CJ Veniot]

Well, as an "intertwingulitis" sufferer, everything is connected to 
everything else by one whole degree of separation.

I'm a foodie and have a warped sense of humour, so usually one degree of 
separation to food and/or wistful wonkiness.

All of that just in case anybody thinks I'm just being sarcastic.  Nah, 
just way-out-o'-left-field thinking and so many dots to connect.

Cheers !

On Tuesday, March 10, 2020 at 4:06:43 PM UTC-3, TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> CJ Veniot wrote:
>>
>> Being from Canada I see "tidbit" and I immediately think "H.  
>> Timbits.  Must get to Timmy Ho's ..."
>>
>
> Lol!  I agree getting something that works is difficult!
>
> TT
>
>
>> On Tuesday, March 10, 2020 at 3:27:07 PM UTC-3, TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>>
>>> Ciao R² ... 
>>>>
>>>> ... Tiddlers could become tidbits (1. A tasty morsel (of food). 2. 
>>>> (computing, informal) A quarter of a byte (Half of a nybble; two bits). 3. 
>>>> (archaic) A short mention of news or gossip.)
>>>>
>>>
>>> FYI I have a domain that went for "tidbits" as its less obscure than 
>>> "tiddler".
>>>
>>> Tech point on (3). Actually its not universally archaic. In many US & UK 
>>> contexts "tidbit" still works for "fragment of news, or gossip".
>>>
>>> Best wishes
>>> TT
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Consider renaming TiddlyWiki

[CJ Veniot]

Being from Canada I see "tidbit" and I immediately think "H.  Timbits.  
Must get to Timmy Ho's ..."

On Tuesday, March 10, 2020 at 3:27:07 PM UTC-3, TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> Ciao R² ... 
>>
>> ... Tiddlers could become tidbits (1. A tasty morsel (of food). 2. 
>> (computing, informal) A quarter of a byte (Half of a nybble; two bits). 3. 
>> (archaic) A short mention of news or gossip.)
>>
>
> FYI I have a domain that went for "tidbits" as its less obscure than 
> "tiddler".
>
> Tech point on (3). Actually its not universally archaic. In many US & UK 
> contexts "tidbit" still works for "fragment of news, or gossip".
>
> Best wishes
> TT
>

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[tw5] Re: Consider renaming TiddlyWiki

[CJ Veniot]

Although not a fan of renaming good products (and I can't help think it 
will be a huge pain for an awful lot of folk), I'll just play Devil's 
advocate ...

Gots to be careful to not rebadge TiddlyWiki with something that makes 
people think of another product.

For example, using the word "Rust":   *Rust is a multiplayer-only survival 
video game developed by Facepunch Studios. Rust was first released in early 
access in December 2013 and received its full release in February 2018.*

Probably a good idea to consider a name that works well for renaming 
TiddlyWiki plugins etc.  Calling TiddlyWiki something that doesn't work 
well renaming TiddlyMap (for example) will, in my view, make a real mess of 
things.

Say renaming TiddlyWiki to "SuperNoteThing", new users are not going to 
like needing to know "SuperNoteThing formerly known as TiddlyWiki" when 
searching for any info/resources/plugins/etc.  on the web.

Along with renaming TiddlySpot, TiddlyDesktop, TiddlyDrive, etc. etc. etc.


On Tuesday, March 10, 2020 at 12:59:01 PM UTC-3, R² wrote:
>
> Nice discussion!
>
> The role of a brand name to convey a powerful impression and is by no 
> means secondary. Tiddlywiki being neither tiddly nor a wiki, the current 
> name generates dissonance and makes it more difficult for newcomers to 
> understand what TW actually is.
>
> David Gifford:
>>
>> Rustonotes. End of discussion.
>>
>
> How about Rustnot? There's Ruston in there, some nice imagery and a 
> reference to the fact that a TW does not degrade over time, which is one of 
> TW's core brand promises. No need to try to say everything. The tagline 
> will help convey more information.
>
> No need to reject the past either. Brand changes are intimidating at first 
> but very exciting once you start the roll-out with something better than 
> the previous iteration. Tiddlers could become tidbits (1. A tasty morsel 
> (of food). 2. (computing, informal) A quarter of a byte (Half of a nybble; 
> two bits). 3. (archaic) A short mention of news or gossip.)
>
> Just my two cents ;)
>
> Regards,
> R²
>

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[tw5] Re: Consider renaming TiddlyWiki

[CJ Veniot]

The first reason I think of to not rename a product, as I threw out there 
earlier: difficulty finding the wealth of historical TiddlyWiki resources 
via searches with new product name.

Which got me thinking of the pain the caboose in renaming everything 
associated with TiddlyWiki.

TiddlyDesktop to WhateverDesktop
TiddlyMap to WhateverMap
TidGraph to WhateverGraph
etc. etc.

And then URL's for all things TiddlyWiki, the name of this forum, things 
over on Github, and whatever else.

That sniffs like a huge and scary mess.  A ton of work needed by a whole 
bunch of folk as part of re-branding?

Or is all of that just trivial stuff that a whole bunch of folk are excited 
to change, and have loads of free time to quickly do in one big 
synchronized move ?

On Monday, March 2, 2020 at 9:08:23 AM UTC-4, bimlas wrote:
>
> Continuation of the 
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tiddlywiki/MKVwkEmCimQ thread.
>
> In a nutshell: TiddlyWiki is gaining popularity because it appears in more 
> articles and podcasts, but most of the time they smile at its name, so it 
> doesn't seem to be taken seriously (although at the end of the test they 
> usually praise the software itself). The name TiddlyWiki may hinder its 
> distribution, so we should consider renaming it.
>

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[tw5] Re: Consider renaming TiddlyWiki

[CJ Veniot]

I'd like to +1 that.  +AwholeBunch?

On Saturday, March 7, 2020 at 1:34:24 AM UTC-4, Mal wrote:
>
> As far as I know, Tiddlywiki has no other meaning in any language, which 
> gives it a big advantage for web searching.
>
> Run a web search (duckduckgo - not that other one!) for Tiddlywiki and 
> pretty much all the results are directly related to our Tiddlywiki.  It 
> would be a shame to lose this advantage as well as making it problematic 
> for finding all the old references when searching with a new name.
>
> Just a thought.
>
> Mal
>
>
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Consider renaming TiddlyWiki

[CJ Veniot]

Having chewed on it a little big more ...

Just like I'll never call my Seagull Merlin a Seagull M4, I can't see
myself using a re-badged version of TiddlyWiki for my personal use.  I am
much too fond of "Tiddly", "Wiki", "Tiddler", and everything else
TiddlyWiki.

Now if anybody has some enterprising mojo and puts together a
"professional" version of TiddlyWiki with corporate support, then very cool
and power to ya!  That would just warm the cockles o' me wee heart.

But please.  Oh pretty please, don't go be FiddlyIcky with me TiddlyWiki,
or Fiddler o' me Tiddler.

All of that aside, when a product starts having multi-editions, it winds up
splintering a community, and I think that winds up being bad overall.




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> with it!
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[tw5] Re: Consider renaming TiddlyWiki

[CJ Veniot]

I'm of the mindset that renaming a product causes all kinds of headaches.

There is such a wonderful wealth of information about TiddlyWiki on the 
web.  Change the name of a product, and searching the web for resources 
starts to break down.

Similar story:  I'm a big fan of the Seagull M4 (previously called the 
Seagull "Merlin").  When Godin Guitars changed the name, we'd have folk 
talking about the M4, others talking about Merlin, often folk would refer 
to the instrument with both names (like "Merlin/M4").  Huge pain in the 
rear.

I can imagine loads of folk snicker at "TiddlyWiki", but from my experience 
since 2006 trying to convince folk at work to setup an internal wiki, 
nobody took me seriously because of the word "wiki".  Flash forward 14 
years, and I still can't convince folk at work to use internal wikis 
(despite the awesome one I've put together for my work) ... they prefer a 
mess of OneNote files.  Bleurk.

Maybe it might make more sense to have TiddlyWiki as-is, but maybe keep 
TiddlyWiki as a "community edition", and have an exact copy of it re-badged 
for marketing purposes (a "professional edition")?  With a name that 
doesn't have either "Tiddly" or "Wiki" in it?  I suppose "Tiddler" would 
also need renaming?



On Monday, March 2, 2020 at 9:08:23 AM UTC-4, bimlas wrote:
>
> Continuation of the 
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tiddlywiki/MKVwkEmCimQ thread.
>
> In a nutshell: TiddlyWiki is gaining popularity because it appears in more 
> articles and podcasts, but most of the time they smile at its name, so it 
> doesn't seem to be taken seriously (although at the end of the test they 
> usually praise the software itself). The name TiddlyWiki may hinder its 
> distribution, so we should consider renaming it.
>

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[tw5] Re: TiddlySmile ...

[CJ Veniot]

Man o' man, all I can think of: oh-so-awesome blooming onion kitchen party.

On Monday, February 24, 2020 at 4:02:34 PM UTC-4, TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> April Mackenzie wrote to me concerning onion growth in Nebworth. 
> Apparently a rampant Onion is invading the area after Peter Matlock 
> generated the Super-Onion in nearby Bebwoth County ...
>
> [image: giant-onion.jpg]
>
>
> April has a TiddlyWiki that tracks onion growths locally but is having 
> difficulties now keeping up with rampant girth growth in her area.
>
> Any support appreciated and will be passed on to her.
>
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[tw5] Re: How to model relationships between tiddlers

[CJ Veniot]

I'm a pretty big fan of Tidgraph.  Give it a peek and see what you think:  
http://ihm4u.github.io/tw5plugs/

Cheers !

On Monday, February 3, 2020 at 8:03:51 PM UTC-4, Michael McDermott wrote:
>
> I make fairly heavy use of tags in TiddlyWiki and that works very well for 
> broad categories. Is there a way to semantically model some relationship 
> between two tiddlers?
>
> For example, in a graph database, you might create a relationship like 
> this:
>
> [Leonardo da Vinci]   Painted--->[The Mona Lisa]
>
> It's pretty easy to see creating tiddlers for The Mona Lisa and Leonardo 
> da Vinci, but the only real way to link them is either tags or hyperlinks, 
> but I don't see a good way to model that relationship. The closest I've 
> seen is the TiddlyMap plugin, but that stores all of the relationships as 
> JSON content, which can only really be manipulated through the map plugin 
> itself.
>
> Is there a good option in TiddlyWiki I've missed?
>

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[tw5] Re: Tiddler Field with link to other tiddler: how to ?

[CJ Veniot]

I've been heavily depending on transclusion for since about 2006 with 
another wiki product at work.  Can't survive without it.

This kid didn't realize TiddlyWiki could handle transclusion of tiddler 
fields (i.e. beyond transclusion of whole tiddlers.)

Major eye opener.  So you may think you didn't do much, but it was actually 
the welcome smacking o' some smarts into me that is appreciated something 
fierce.  (Hence me laying on the appreciation right thick.) 

All of that reminds me of this, for some reason:  
https://media1.tenor.com/images/767ad3001398a8191bb5960428037652/tenor.gif?itemid=9889153

Cheers !

On Saturday, February 1, 2020 at 3:23:30 PM UTC-4, Mat wrote:
>
> Heh, good it helped you - but you make it sound as if I *did* something 
> but that technique (called *transclusion*) is just the standard technique 
> for this in TW.
> <:-)
>

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[tw5] Re: Tiddler Field with link to other tiddler: how to ?

[CJ Veniot]

On Saturday, February 1, 2020 at 8:43:16 AM UTC-4, Mat wrote:
>
> The easiest way to circumvent this would be to just type {{!!this_note}} 
> instead of using the viewwidget.
>
> Still, your question is interesting and I'm wondering how one would best 
> wikify the output culled from a field.
>
> <:-)
>

Mat, I've got some virtual bear hug for you.  (Well, not all folk are into 
hugs, so virtual fist-bumps if preferred.)

Not only does that work, but way easier for this old sponge o' mind to 
remember and read.

Thank-you very much ! 

[image: TiddlyWiki Links in Fields Glitch.jpg]
 

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[tw5] Tiddler Field with link to other tiddler: how to ?

[CJ Veniot]

G'day,

I have Tiddler A with a field (called "this_note") = "For more info, check 
out [[Tiddler B]]"

Tiddler A has in the content  <$view field="this_note"/> .

However, when Tiddler A is saved, it shows  "For more info, check out 
[[Tiddler B]]"  (i.e. not showing a link to Tiddler B, but just showing the 
text wrapped by the brackets.)

So I was thinking TiddlyWiki doesn't recognize wiki text, until I played 
with http://tw5magick.tiddlyspot.com/ and found putting brackets around 
text in fields indeed turn into tiddler links just fine there.

Is there a setting somewhere I've missed that I need to adjust somewhere ?

Thank-you and best regards !

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[tw5] Re: Any idea how to collapse/expand section within a tiddler

[CJ Veniot]

G'day,

I'm a rather big fan of Thomas Elmiger's Details Widget. (Just to put in a 
plug,  PUN! , from a humble user's perspective?)

I haven't pushed the plugin to the limit yet, but sneak a peek at my little 
project to see how I've experimented with Details Widget so far:  
https://intertwingularityslicendice.neocities.org/

Really, I've never liked the concept of clicking on links and bouncing 
around between pages (or tiddlers).  So Details Widget is right awesome at 
handling super-sized tiddlers that are just about including a swath of 
other tiny tiddlers (i.e. supporting a Componentization 

 
approach to organizing information.)

Cheers !

On Tuesday, September 22, 2015 at 11:39:20 PM UTC-3, James wrote:
>
> Hi all,
> Is there any ways we can collapse/expand the content in the section by 
> clicking on the heading?
>
>

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[tw5] Tidgraph issue with TiddlyDrive ?

[CJ Veniot]

While trying out Tidgraph imported into one of my TiddlyWiki instances ...

When clicking on a Tiddler Link in one of the nodes of a Tidgraph, the 
whole TiddlyWiki instance gets re-opened (instead of the tiddler getting 
opened in the story river.

Can anybody else confirm this wonky behaviour?

And, if I'm not imagining things, does anybody have any ideas for a fix or 
a workaround ?

Much appreciated !  Cheers and best regards !

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[tw5] Re: My second Tiddly Wiki: Intertwingularity Slice'n Dice

[CJ Veniot]

Re-reading over this thread of posts, this sensation just struck me 
something silly: man, I feel at home for some reason.

Maybe it is just because I've never interacted with anybody who "gets" 
wiki, or anybody who deals with problems that wikis solve so well.

Birds of a feather?

Regardless, it is right good stuff.


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[tw5] Re: My second Tiddly Wiki: Intertwingularity Slice'n Dice

[CJ Veniot]

Hey, that plug-in looks some good.  Thanks !

On Saturday, November 16, 2019 at 8:59:42 AM UTC-4, Ste Wilson wrote:
>
> Don't forget tidgraph 
> https://ihm4u.github.io/tw5plugs/#Tidgraph%20-%20Easy%20tiddler%20graphs%20for%20TW5
>  
> for tree diagrams. 

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[tw5] Re: My second Tiddly Wiki: Intertwingularity Slice'n Dice

[CJ Veniot]

Man o' man, I get a huge kick when anybody throws some of my 
way-out-there/out-in-left-field vernacular right back at me.

Thanks!  That was awesome.

Sidetracked again ?   That's me.  Squirrel !

On Friday, November 15, 2019 at 11:17:37 PM UTC-4, A Gloom wrote:
>
> So I initially planned on simultaneously maintaining structured content 
>> using Google Sites, but I quickly got frustrated with that just like I got 
>> frustrated trying to maintain my French-Acadian language lexicon with 
>> Google Sites.
>
>  
> cool, I actually use your Acadian wiki-- incorporated Acadia, its history, 
> people in my work.
>
> I can understand the desire to preserve-- the culture I married into is 
> also disappearing-- much of it is already gone 
>
> I am so much happier and having an absolute blast using TiddlyWiki (it 
>> seems to match exactly how I think!  Good?  Bad?  Maybe. 
>> 
>> )
>>
>
> no holding back now!1! just beware of Intertwingulitis...
>
> look out, got stdetracked again-- a tree visual plotter for TW, wonder if 
> railroad plugin could be modified for vertical vs horizontal?
>

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[tw5] My second Tiddly Wiki: Intertwingularity Slice'n Dice

[CJ Veniot]

I started blogging about "intertwingularity" last June, a way for me to do 
a brain-dump about this passion I have for dealing with complexity (the 
challenge of understanding "it" and communicating "it".)

Right out of the gate, I knew I'd have a hard time sticking to just a 
blog.  A chronological smattering of content just does not float this kid's 
boat.

So I initially planned on simultaneously maintaining structured content 
using Google Sites, but I quickly got frustrated with that just like I got 
frustrated trying to maintain my French-Acadian language lexicon with 
Google Sites.

Since I've really been enjoying TiddlyWiki to put together Le P'tit Aurèle 
, I figured I should do a reboot of a 
structured content site about intertwingularity using TiddlyWiki.  Although 
early going putting together Intertwingularity Slice'n Dice - Wiki 
, I am so much happier 
and having an absolute blast using TiddlyWiki (it seems to match exactly 
how I think!  Good?  Bad?  Maybe. 

)



All of that just to, yet again, express a whole lot of love for TiddlyWiki 
and send out a huge thank-you to all involved in making such an 
oh-so-awesome dish of goodness.

Cheers !

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[tw5] Re: Getting an "Internal Javascript Error" when using IE 11

[CJ Veniot]

Latest version of Relink, by Flibbles, fixes the problem.  
https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en=#!topic/tiddlywiki/NC79XPu9j-8

On Thursday, September 19, 2019 at 9:03:37 PM UTC-3, CJ Veniot wrote:
>
> Le P'tit Aurèle TiddlyWiki, hosted on neocities 
> <https://cjveniot.neocities.org/LePtitAurele.html>
>
> Hello,
>
> When accessing the TiddlyWiki with Internet Explorer 11 on two different 
> PC's, I get an internal javascript error every time I close all the open 
> tiddlers (when I close each of the default tiddlers individually; same 
> thing if I use the "close all tiddlers" button).
>
> (error screenshot attached)
>
> I never get that problem with my Chromebook.
>
> Anybody have any idea what's going on there?
>
> Much appreciated !  Cheers and best regards !
>

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: a plugin which automatically relinks renamed tiddlers

[CJ Veniot]

G'day Flibbles,

I gave that a spin today, and whatever magic you did fixed that problem.  
Thank-you !

On Saturday, September 21, 2019 at 5:13:15 PM UTC-3, Flibbles wrote:
>
> @CJ Veniot: I think Relink supports IE11 now 
> <https://github.com/flibbles/tw5-relink/issues/9>. I wasn't able to get 
> it to crash anymore while using that browser (but there may be something 
> hidden you'll encounter some day. If you do, let me know)
>
> @TonyM: I've got basic support for changing which tiddlers get updated 
> <https://github.com/flibbles/tw5-relink/issues/10>. It's got more work to 
> do, but it's at a state where you can use it, and let me know if it's not 
> what you need.
>
> On Saturday, September 21, 2019 at 8:32:38 AM UTC-4, CJ Veniot wrote:
>>
>> As we would say back home: "pas de panic".  In the meantime, really easy 
>> to disable Relink just before "deploying" my tiddlywiki instance.
>>
>> On Friday, September 20, 2019 at 11:22:57 PM UTC-3, Flibbles wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes. This problem is coming from Relink. I was unaware that IE11 doesn't 
>>> allow backtick syntax. I will have that fixed tomorrow. Too much to do 
>>> tonight.
>>>
>>> Thank you for reporting this issue. I've created a bug report for it 
>>> here <https://github.com/flibbles/tw5-relink/issues/9>. I'll be posting 
>>> any further developments on the issues, such as when a fix is pushed, there.
>>>
>>> -Flibbles
>>>
>>> On Friday, September 20, 2019 at 7:23:53 PM UTC-4, CJ Veniot wrote:
>>>>
>>>> G'day Flibbles,
>>>>
>>>> I've got an internal javascript error with my TiddlyWiki which happens 
>>>> consistently in IE 11, but never on my Chromebook.
>>>>
>>>> The problem goes away when Relink is disabled.
>>>>
>>>> Please find details in this other thread:  
>>>> https://groups.google.com/forum/?utm_medium=email_source=footer#!msg/tiddlywiki/6RnrQLYG4QY/Ul_tm2o0BwAJ
>>>>
>>>> On Sunday, September 1, 2019 at 11:27:19 PM UTC-3, Flibbles wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I present Relink <https://flibbles.github.io/tw5-relink/>!
>>>>>
>>>>> It relinks fields, links, WikiLinks, widgets, transclusions, lists, 
>>>>> and filters. It's highly customizable, but it will also work out of the 
>>>>> box. It's robust, and can handle bizarre name changes. It works through 
>>>>> whitelisting, so it doesn't change plaintext instances of a title, or 
>>>>> other 
>>>>> instances where an updated would be undesirable. It's also well tested 
>>>>> (but 
>>>>> still really new!!). It should be comprehensive.
>>>>>
>>>>> Otherwise, I really hope everyone gets good use out of this. Having 
>>>>> written it, I completely understand why this isn't a core feature. It was 
>>>>> *hard 
>>>>> as crap*! There are so many edge cases! I'm sure more will still crop 
>>>>> up.
>>>>>
>>>>> *Edit**: It now also supports macros, making it a fully comprehensive 
>>>>> relinking plugin.*
>>>>>
>>>>> Demo page here <https://flibbles.github.io/tw5-relink/>.
>>>>>
>>>>> Source code here <https://github.com/flibbles/tw5-relink>.
>>>>>
>>>>> I would absolutely love to get some feedback. I really hope this helps 
>>>>> people.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Flibbles
>>>>>
>>>>

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[tw5] Re: I love TiddlyWiki because...

[CJ Veniot]

I love TiddlyWiki because it helps me cope with my Intertwingulitis:  
TiddlyWiki: 
Intertwingularity tamer extraordinaire ? 




On Monday, March 5, 2018 at 7:41:21 AM UTC-4, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> This thread is a continuation from Positive Assertions In One Sentence ... 
> 
>  
> Here is a start ...
>
> I love #TiddlyWiki  because 
> ... of, in two words:  Radical #transclusion 
> .
>
> @TiddlyTweeter
>

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: a plugin which automatically relinks renamed tiddlers

[CJ Veniot]

As we would say back home: "pas de panic".  In the meantime, really easy to 
disable Relink just before "deploying" my tiddlywiki instance.

On Friday, September 20, 2019 at 11:22:57 PM UTC-3, Flibbles wrote:
>
> Yes. This problem is coming from Relink. I was unaware that IE11 doesn't 
> allow backtick syntax. I will have that fixed tomorrow. Too much to do 
> tonight.
>
> Thank you for reporting this issue. I've created a bug report for it here 
> <https://github.com/flibbles/tw5-relink/issues/9>. I'll be posting any 
> further developments on the issues, such as when a fix is pushed, there.
>
> -Flibbles
>
> On Friday, September 20, 2019 at 7:23:53 PM UTC-4, CJ Veniot wrote:
>>
>> G'day Flibbles,
>>
>> I've got an internal javascript error with my TiddlyWiki which happens 
>> consistently in IE 11, but never on my Chromebook.
>>
>> The problem goes away when Relink is disabled.
>>
>> Please find details in this other thread:  
>> https://groups.google.com/forum/?utm_medium=email_source=footer#!msg/tiddlywiki/6RnrQLYG4QY/Ul_tm2o0BwAJ
>>
>> On Sunday, September 1, 2019 at 11:27:19 PM UTC-3, Flibbles wrote:
>>>
>>> I present Relink <https://flibbles.github.io/tw5-relink/>!
>>>
>>> It relinks fields, links, WikiLinks, widgets, transclusions, lists, and 
>>> filters. It's highly customizable, but it will also work out of the box. 
>>> It's robust, and can handle bizarre name changes. It works through 
>>> whitelisting, so it doesn't change plaintext instances of a title, or other 
>>> instances where an updated would be undesirable. It's also well tested (but 
>>> still really new!!). It should be comprehensive.
>>>
>>> Otherwise, I really hope everyone gets good use out of this. Having 
>>> written it, I completely understand why this isn't a core feature. It was 
>>> *hard 
>>> as crap*! There are so many edge cases! I'm sure more will still crop 
>>> up.
>>>
>>> *Edit**: It now also supports macros, making it a fully comprehensive 
>>> relinking plugin.*
>>>
>>> Demo page here <https://flibbles.github.io/tw5-relink/>.
>>>
>>> Source code here <https://github.com/flibbles/tw5-relink>.
>>>
>>> I would absolutely love to get some feedback. I really hope this helps 
>>> people.
>>>
>>> -Flibbles
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Today TiddlyWiki is 15 years old

[CJ Veniot]

Congratulations!  And thank-you!

On Friday, September 20, 2019 at 3:31:17 PM UTC-3, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> I posted this as a reply to a message of Pit's that was buried in a longer 
> thread over on the dev group, so I'm reposting here for wider exposure.
>
> Honoured All, 
>
> if I am not mistaken, today five years ago, on Sep.20th 2014 at 17:00 hrs
>
> *Tiddlywiki 5.1.0*
>
> was released.
>
> I hope that Mr. Ruston has a good bottle of wine available to celebrate.
>
> Pit.W
>
> Thanks Pit! In fact, it goes further, the reason I chose that date was 
> because it was the 10th anniversary of the publication of the original 
> TiddlyWiki on September 20th 2004. So today is actually the 15th 
> anniversary of TiddlyWiki. 
>
> https://classic.tiddlywiki.com/firstversion.html
>
> On the 22nd of September 2004, I gave a brief talk about TiddlyWiki which 
> was its first public outing. (See below for photos). To be fair, it was 
> probably overshadowed for most people by James Larsson's extraordinarily 
> hilarious prawn sandwich based clock.
>
> http://paulm.com/inchoate/2004/09/dorkbot_london_classic.html
>
> Then Jeremy Ruston presented the wonderful TiddlyWiki 
>  and gave a very useful breakdown of how 
> wikis work, and how tiny bits of microcontent (tiddlers) can help to merge 
> the facility of blogs to organise and produce microcontent with the 
> non-linear and collaborative way that wikis structure things. Rory Macbeth 
> who continually apologised for not knowing about or being able to do 
> anything with computers (which is not true - I know Rory and he has magic 
> computer fingers that can destroy hardware, corrupt files and crash 
> otherwise stable software for no reason within seconds of him sitting down 
> to check his email) said that he understood TiddlyWiki and would consider 
> using it.
>
>
> Within a couple of days TiddlyWiki got picked up by users of a site called 
> del.icio.us, and thence by popular bloggers Jason Kottke, Gina Trapani 
> and Ev Williams (who later went on to found Twitter). And so all this 
> started, to my continued astonishment and delight.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy.
>
>
>
>
> --
> Jeremy Ruston
> jer...@jermolene.com 
> https://jermolene.com
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[tw5] Re: Presenting: a plugin which automatically relinks renamed tiddlers

[CJ Veniot]

G'day Flibbles,

I've got an internal javascript error with my TiddlyWiki which happens 
consistently in IE 11, but never on my Chromebook.

The problem goes away when Relink is disabled.

Please find details in this other thread:  
https://groups.google.com/forum/?utm_medium=email_source=footer#!msg/tiddlywiki/6RnrQLYG4QY/Ul_tm2o0BwAJ

On Sunday, September 1, 2019 at 11:27:19 PM UTC-3, Flibbles wrote:
>
> I present Relink !
>
> It relinks fields, links, WikiLinks, widgets, transclusions, lists, and 
> filters. It's highly customizable, but it will also work out of the box. 
> It's robust, and can handle bizarre name changes. It works through 
> whitelisting, so it doesn't change plaintext instances of a title, or other 
> instances where an updated would be undesirable. It's also well tested (but 
> still really new!!). It should be comprehensive.
>
> Otherwise, I really hope everyone gets good use out of this. Having 
> written it, I completely understand why this isn't a core feature. It was 
> *hard 
> as crap*! There are so many edge cases! I'm sure more will still crop up.
>
> *Edit**: It now also supports macros, making it a fully comprehensive 
> relinking plugin.*
>
> Demo page here .
>
> Source code here .
>
> I would absolutely love to get some feedback. I really hope this helps 
> people.
>
> -Flibbles
>

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[tw5] Re: Getting an "Internal Javascript Error" when using IE 11

[CJ Veniot]

Mark, I've got a serious Happy Friday fist-bump for you.

On a Windows rig today, I went to the wiki hosted on neocities, disabled 
the plugin, saved locally, closed the browser and loaded up the local copy 
of my TiddlyWiki, and problem gone.

That is right awesome.  Thank-you !

Aside: if ever you have a chance, how did you figure around 1,000?  
Whatever trick you used, please do tell.

And BTW: I'm really just getting started.  I can't wait to see how well 
TiddlyWiki handles the load .  Excellent so far.

On Friday, September 20, 2019 at 1:29:17 AM UTC-3, Mark S. wrote:
>
> It looks like it's around 1000. 
>
> You could try disabling the relink plugin while in Chrome and then see if 
> you can use your TW better in IE 11.
> The relink plugin is interesting, but you probably don't need to change 
> linked tiddler names that often.
>
> FWIW, firefox reports that googlegroups.com (used to host your image 
> file) is a deceptive website. 
>
> Good luck!
>
> On Thursday, September 19, 2019 at 6:13:49 PM UTC-7, CJ Veniot wrote:
>>
>> Oh boy, good question.  I'm still pretty new to TiddlyWiki.  I've got to 
>> figure out how to get a tiddler count.
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, September 19, 2019 at 10:07:46 PM UTC-3, Mark S. wrote:
>>>
>>> It kind of looks like the relink plugin is causing problems there.
>>>
>>> Just out of curiosity, how many entries do you have in your Lexicon?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, September 19, 2019 at 5:03:37 PM UTC-7, CJ Veniot wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Le P'tit Aurèle TiddlyWiki, hosted on neocities 
>>>> <https://cjveniot.neocities.org/LePtitAurele.html>
>>>>
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>> When accessing the TiddlyWiki with Internet Explorer 11 on two 
>>>> different PC's, I get an internal javascript error every time I close all 
>>>> the open tiddlers (when I close each of the default tiddlers individually; 
>>>> same thing if I use the "close all tiddlers" button).
>>>>
>>>> (error screenshot attached)
>>>>
>>>> I never get that problem with my Chromebook.
>>>>
>>>> Anybody have any idea what's going on there?
>>>>
>>>> Much appreciated !  Cheers and best regards !
>>>>
>>>

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[tw5] Re: Getting an "Internal Javascript Error" when using IE 11

[CJ Veniot]

Oh boy, good question.  I'm still pretty new to TiddlyWiki.  I've got to 
figure out how to get a tiddler count.


On Thursday, September 19, 2019 at 10:07:46 PM UTC-3, Mark S. wrote:
>
> It kind of looks like the relink plugin is causing problems there.
>
> Just out of curiosity, how many entries do you have in your Lexicon?
>
>
> On Thursday, September 19, 2019 at 5:03:37 PM UTC-7, CJ Veniot wrote:
>>
>> Le P'tit Aurèle TiddlyWiki, hosted on neocities 
>> <https://cjveniot.neocities.org/LePtitAurele.html>
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> When accessing the TiddlyWiki with Internet Explorer 11 on two different 
>> PC's, I get an internal javascript error every time I close all the open 
>> tiddlers (when I close each of the default tiddlers individually; same 
>> thing if I use the "close all tiddlers" button).
>>
>> (error screenshot attached)
>>
>> I never get that problem with my Chromebook.
>>
>> Anybody have any idea what's going on there?
>>
>> Much appreciated !  Cheers and best regards !
>>
>

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[tw5] Getting an "Internal Javascript Error" when using IE 11

[CJ Veniot]

Le P'tit Aurèle TiddlyWiki, hosted on neocities 


Hello,

When accessing the TiddlyWiki with Internet Explorer 11 on two different 
PC's, I get an internal javascript error every time I close all the open 
tiddlers (when I close each of the default tiddlers individually; same 
thing if I use the "close all tiddlers" button).

(error screenshot attached)

I never get that problem with my Chromebook.

Anybody have any idea what's going on there?

Much appreciated !  Cheers and best regards !

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: a plugin which automatically relinks renamed tiddlers

[CJ Veniot]

I LOVE THIS !!!

A "tweaker" by nature, I avoid "writer's block" but setting up things as 
good enough for now, and then tweak over and over again as I get deeper in 
the weeds.

This plugin is oh-so-wonderful in helping me avoid paralysis by analysis 
(trying to get tiddler titles right the first time as I try to avoid the 
work involved in changing related links and transclusions all over the 
place).

Thank-you much !  Serious virtual hugs or, alternatively, fist-bumps ?

Cheers !

On Sunday, September 1, 2019 at 11:27:19 PM UTC-3, Flibbles wrote:
>
> I present Relink !
>
> It relinks fields, links, WikiLinks, widgets, transclusions, lists, and 
> filters. It's highly customizable, but it will also work out of the box. 
> It's robust, and can handle bizarre name changes. It works through 
> whitelisting, so it doesn't change plaintext instances of a title, or other 
> instances where an updated would be undesirable. It's also well tested (but 
> still really new!!). It should be comprehensive. The only thing it doesn't 
> manage is macro arguments. If there's a lot of interest in that, I'll 
> figure out how to get that working.
>
> Otherwise, I really hope everyone gets good use out of this. Having 
> written it, I completely understand why this isn't a core feature. It was 
> *hard 
> as crap*! There are so many edge cases! I'm sure more will still crop up.
>
> Demo page here .
>
> Source code here .
>
> I would absolutely love to get some feedback. I really hope this helps 
> people.
>
> -Flibbles
>

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[tw5] Re: How to easily edit transcluded text?

[CJ Veniot]

G'day,

I use transclusion heavily, and have gotten into the habit of doing this 
kind of thing ...

In tiddler "A" that transcludes tiddler "B":

! [[B]]
{{B}}

Cheers !

On Sunday, August 18, 2019 at 8:11:23 PM UTC-3, kat wrote:
>
> I have a bunch of tiddlers in my wiki that contain transcluded text from 
> other tiddlers.
>
> I keep finding myself going to edit a tiddler, realizing the text is 
> transcluded from another tiddler, then having to then search for that 
> tiddler to edit the original transcluded tiddler.
>
> This is getting kind of frustrating so I wondered if there was a good 
> solution that would make it easy to see in a non-invasive way that a 
> tiddler contains transclusions, and then easily edit the transcluded 
> tiddler without lots of awkward searching/jumping around?
>
> thanks!
>

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[tw5] I just started using TiddlyWiki to put together a French-Acadian dictionary. TiddlyWiki ROCKS !!!

[CJ Veniot]

G'day all,

I had to take a moment to send a *shout out of serious appreciation* for 
TiddlyWiki and to Jeremy Ruston (and all contributors!)

For the last few years, I've been trying to put together, with Classic 
Google Sites, a French-Acadian dictionary (the particular "dialect" from my 
hometown region of New Brunswick, Canada), and I found myself continually 
frustrated by the lack of the one feature I love in great wiki products: 
transclusion.

*(Well, aside from transclusion, I really love the lightness and agility of 
wikis in general.  Google Sites is fine for certain things, but way too 
clunky for what I've been trying to do.)*


I dabbled a bit with Zim and with CherryTree (both fine products too), but 
without transclusion, they can't touch TiddlyWiki for this purpose.

For collaboration, ProjectForum (defunct for several years now) is still my 
favourite no-fuss-no-muss solution, but for my own personal writing of 
deeply intertwingled information, TiddlyWiki is my go-to top choice.  Aside 
from lightness/agility and transclusion feature, TiddlyWiki is a right 
blast of fun to work with.  Kudos!



For anybody interested, I'm using Neocities to host my dictionary (still 
very early going as my TiddlyWiki instance captures my intertwingled 
thoughts).  Here's the link in case anybody is interested in this wee 
passion/hobby o' mine:  Le P'tit Aurèle 
.

Cheers and best regards!

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