Re: firefox/google problem

[olivares33561 via users]

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> Dear fellow fedora users,
> 
> Using firefox latest one,
> olivares@fedora:~/Downloads/kerTeX/Documents/Documents/mptmp$ rpm -qa firefox
> firefox-126.0-5.fc40.x86_64
> 
> I try to login to google account, I get error message:
> ``
> 400. That’s an error.
> 
> The server cannot process the request because it is malformed. It should not 
> be retried. That’s all we know.''
> 
> I did not get this before, anything I could try to get past this error? It 
> worked before without problems.
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> 
> Antonio
> 
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Dear all,

turns out I use noscript and it was blocking gstatic and I unblocked it and now 
it works.  Sorry for the noise.

Best Regards,


Antonio 

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firefox/google problem

[olivares33561 via users]

Dear fellow fedora users,

Using firefox latest one, 
olivares@fedora:~/Downloads/kerTeX/Documents/Documents/mptmp$ rpm -qa firefox
firefox-126.0-5.fc40.x86_64

I try to login to google account, I get error message:
``
400. That’s an error.

The server cannot process the request because it is malformed. It should not be 
retried. That’s all we know.''

I did not get this before, anything I could try to get past this error?  It 
worked before without problems.  

Best Regards,


Antonio 

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Re: Copy broken in recent Firefox?

[ToddAndMargo via users]

On 2/23/24 17:08, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

On 2/23/24 05:38, Sam Varshavchik wrote:
Is it just me, or is everyone else no longer able to highlight any 
multi-line chunk of code in Firefox, copy, then paste it somewhere else?


I did some experiments. I can highlight a portion of a line, and that 
can be pasted in another window. Highlight anything more than a line, 
nothing gets pasted. I tested this on multiple sites, so it's not a 
single site playing games with me. Copy/paste does not work either via 
the mouse middle button click, nor right click's copy popup menu, nor 
the main menu's Edit/Copy/


So, what's broken:

1. Something here.
2. Firefox.


try pasting to leafpad first, then recopying from leafpad
to where you want to go.

# ndf install leafpad


Oops.  dnf  not ndf
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Re: Copy broken in recent Firefox?

[ToddAndMargo via users]

On 2/23/24 05:38, Sam Varshavchik wrote:
Is it just me, or is everyone else no longer able to highlight any 
multi-line chunk of code in Firefox, copy, then paste it somewhere else?


I did some experiments. I can highlight a portion of a line, and that 
can be pasted in another window. Highlight anything more than a line, 
nothing gets pasted. I tested this on multiple sites, so it's not a 
single site playing games with me. Copy/paste does not work either via 
the mouse middle button click, nor right click's copy popup menu, nor 
the main menu's Edit/Copy/


So, what's broken:

1. Something here.
2. Firefox.


try pasting to leafpad first, then recopying from leafpad
to where you want to go.

# ndf install leafpad
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Re: Copy broken in recent Firefox?

[ToddAndMargo via users]

On 2/23/24 06:39, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

On Fri, 2024-02-23 at 08:38 -0500, Sam Varshavchik wrote:

Is it just me, or is everyone else no longer able to highlight any
multi-
line chunk of code in Firefox, copy, then paste it somewhere else?

I did some experiments. I can highlight a portion of a line, and that
can be
pasted in another window. Highlight anything more than a line,
nothing gets
pasted. I tested this on multiple sites, so it's not a single site
playing
games with me. Copy/paste does not work either via the mouse middle
button
click, nor right click's copy popup menu, nor the main menu's
Edit/Copy/

So, what's broken:

1. Something here.
2. Firefox.


Works for me. Firefox on KDE (X11), F39.

poc


Drive me crazy
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Re: Copy broken in recent Firefox?

[Jorge Fábregas]

On 2/23/24 12:47 PM, Ralf Corsépius wrote:
> I am facing similar (the same?) problems.
> 
> Unfortunately, I haven't been able to find as deterministic reproducer.
> 
> /me thinks, something is broken in firefox.

It is a known issue. Don't have the link now but it doesn't aways happen.

When it does, a "workaround" is to click on the URL bar and then try
right-clicking again for the copy...

HTH,
Jorge
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Re: Copy broken in recent Firefox?

[Sam Varshavchik]

Patrick O'Callaghan writes:



Works for me. Firefox on KDE (X11), F39.


It turned out to be xfce4-terminal, and not Firefox.

There was a recent xfce4-terminal rpm update.

… and another update just landed, with a helpful "Fix clipboard handling"  
changelog…




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Re: Copy broken in recent Firefox?

[Ralf Corsépius]

Am 23.02.24 um 14:38 schrieb Sam Varshavchik:
Is it just me, or is everyone else no longer able to highlight any 
multi-line chunk of code in Firefox, copy, then paste it somewhere else?


I am facing similar (the same?) problems.

Unfortunately, I haven't been able to find as deterministic reproducer.

/me thinks, something is broken in firefox.

Ralf
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Re: Copy broken in recent Firefox?

[John Horne]

On Fri, 2024-02-23 at 14:39 +, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On Fri, 2024-02-23 at 08:38 -0500, Sam Varshavchik wrote:
> > Is it just me, or is everyone else no longer able to highlight any
> > multi-line chunk of code in Firefox, copy, then paste it somewhere else?
> >
> > I did some experiments. I can highlight a portion of a line, and that
> > can be pasted in another window. Highlight anything more than a line,
> > nothing gets pasted. I tested this on multiple sites, so it's not a single
> > site playing games with me. Copy/paste does not work either via the mouse
> > middle button click, nor right click's copy popup menu, nor the main menu's
> > Edit/Copy/
> >
> > So, what's broken:
> >
> > 1. Something here.
> > 2. Firefox.
>
> Works for me. Firefox on KDE (X11), F39.
>
+1

Works for me. Firefox on KDE (Wayland), F39.

Firefox: firefox-123.0-1.fc39.x86_64

> 1. Something here.
>
Seems like it.



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Re: Copy broken in recent Firefox?

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Fri, 2024-02-23 at 08:38 -0500, Sam Varshavchik wrote:
> Is it just me, or is everyone else no longer able to highlight any
> multi- 
> line chunk of code in Firefox, copy, then paste it somewhere else?
> 
> I did some experiments. I can highlight a portion of a line, and that
> can be  
> pasted in another window. Highlight anything more than a line,
> nothing gets  
> pasted. I tested this on multiple sites, so it's not a single site
> playing  
> games with me. Copy/paste does not work either via the mouse middle
> button  
> click, nor right click's copy popup menu, nor the main menu's
> Edit/Copy/
> 
> So, what's broken:
> 
> 1. Something here.
> 2. Firefox.

Works for me. Firefox on KDE (X11), F39.

poc
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Copy broken in recent Firefox?

[Sam Varshavchik]

Is it just me, or is everyone else no longer able to highlight any multi- 
line chunk of code in Firefox, copy, then paste it somewhere else?


I did some experiments. I can highlight a portion of a line, and that can be  
pasted in another window. Highlight anything more than a line, nothing gets  
pasted. I tested this on multiple sites, so it's not a single site playing  
games with me. Copy/paste does not work either via the mouse middle button  
click, nor right click's copy popup menu, nor the main menu's Edit/Copy/


So, what's broken:

1. Something here.
2. Firefox.




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Re: Strange Firefox - Invalid representation

[Tim via users]

Tim:
>> I could upload a screenshot of how it rendered if you want, and if
>> widening your browser window doesn't help you, but since it may be
>> private data I don't want to make the situation worse.  Your call...

Walter H:
> that was the solution but I wonder why this is just now;
> 
> I run a VM for banking; a Fedora; in June this year a made a backup - 
> Fedora 38 and Firefox 114;
> this has the same strange behaviour now, but worked correctly in June ...
> 
> my worksation is a Windows 10 - the VMware Host; and any VMware Guest - 
> Linux with a GUI(X11) or even other Windows are
> set with a resolution of 1280x1024;
> 

My screen's a rather ordinary 1920 by 1080.

When people start playing with fancy layout, you find more
compatibility issues between slightly different browsers than plainer
pages.  Never mind authors who bodge things with out-of-spec code and
think its fine because it doesn't happen to break in their own browser.

Fancy pages often look at various browser supplied variables, window
size, screen size, amongst many others.  They may try sending
differently coded pages.

One thing that messes lots of pages up for me is webbrowser page zoom,
magnification, or font re-sizing (three different things).  Bump it up
just a little bit, and I often get overlapping content, and malplaced
content.

Trying to make one page look fine in a computer browser and a mobile
phone browser (in landscape and portrait) is a right pain.  Mobile
browsers like to shrink things, and normal font-sized text often
becomes fly-speck sized, you need to put in conditional overrides to
compensate.  Else, if you simply try doing a simple make all text
slightly larger, for everything, you can get the opposite problem with
everything else gets huge-sized text.

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Re: Strange Firefox - Invalid representation

[Walter H. via users]

On 26.12.2023 01:13, Tim via users wrote:

On Mon, 2023-12-25 at 14:21 +0100, Walter H. via users wrote:

Have you tried this?
https://hosting117696.a2f78.netcup.net/xchg/_banking.zip


If I then try loading the files inside the zip file into a web browser
I get pages with blank sections, and looking a bit similar to yours
(minus the stock photo of telephonists) but then I suspect it's missing
content from the web.

correct; my result was a direkt screen shot from the real view;

First and second impressions are that the service isn't providing
useful content rather than the web browser being at fault.  But,
however, and this caught me for a while:  I just tried expanding my
browser window to be wider, and TADA!  I'm seeing tabular data, albeit
no monetary values are visible (just hash marks).  CRAP DESIGN!

the hash marks was just me, I replaced the monetary values with hash marks;

A snippet from _abrechnungen.html
AbrechnungszeitraumAbrechnungsbetragDokument
15.11.2023 - 14.12.2023 EUR -#,## Kreditkartenabrechnung-20231215.pdf
15.10.2023 - 14.11.2023 EUR -#,## Kreditkartenabrechnung-20231115.pdf

A snippet from _umsaetze.html
RAIFFEISEN CardService Umsätze
Reserviert23.12.2023Shop #, City #EUR -#,##EUR -#,##
Reserviert23.12.2023Shop #, City #EUR -#,##EUR -#,##

The PDF references look like they ought to be clickable links, but they
don't appear to be interactive in any way.

Looking at the two HTML files in a text editor, I can see they're chock
full of styling and drawing code, and lots of references to font and
JavaScript files which aren't included in the zip file, but I haven't
seen any obvious data in the content.  It's a huge blob to try and look
through, though.  I see a collection of numbers at the bottom that's
probably SVG data, but I can't read it directly.  I'd call it a huge
messy way to try and display a tiny bit of data.

I hope it doesn't contain any private data, because you've just made it
completely public.

don't worry, the private data were replaced with the hash marks;

I could upload a screenshot of how it rendered if you want, and if
widening your browser window doesn't help you, but since it may be
private data I don't want to make the situation worse.  Your call...


that was the solution but I wonder why this is just now;

I run a VM for banking; a Fedora; in June this year a made a backup - 
Fedora 38 and Firefox 114;

this has the same strange behaviour now, but worked correctly in June ...

my worksation is a Windows 10 - the VMware Host; and any VMware Guest - 
Linux with a GUI(X11) or even other Windows are

set with a resolution of 1280x1024;

there I could try any Linux, a Debian, a Ubuntu, a SuSE, a Fedora, a MX, 
a CentOS with all the same result;


Thanks for your hint;

I changed the resolution of the Banking VM to 1400x1050 and now it shows 
correct,


until the bank does another bug  ...

Walter




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Re: Strange Firefox - Invalid representation

[Tim via users]

On Mon, 2023-12-25 at 14:21 +0100, Walter H. via users wrote:
> Have you tried this?
> https://hosting117696.a2f78.netcup.net/xchg/_banking.zip
> 

I've downloaded a zip file from that link just now.  Directly
downloaded, no page involved during the download process.

If I then try loading the files inside the zip file into a web browser
I get pages with blank sections, and looking a bit similar to yours
(minus the stock photo of telephonists) but then I suspect it's missing
content from the web.

That's not unusual behaviour for trying to download pages from the
internet, they often depend on something else that didn't get included.
If they're providing a downloadable statement, that's usually better
off as a PDF file.  If they're providing downloadable data, that's
usually better as some kind of spreadsheet format - HTML is a rotten
way to import data into something for further working out.

First and second impressions are that the service isn't providing
useful content rather than the web browser being at fault.  But,
however, and this caught me for a while:  I just tried expanding my
browser window to be wider, and TADA!  I'm seeing tabular data, albeit
no monetary values are visible (just hash marks).  CRAP DESIGN!

A snippet from _abrechnungen.html
AbrechnungszeitraumAbrechnungsbetragDokument
15.11.2023 - 14.12.2023 EUR -#,## Kreditkartenabrechnung-20231215.pdf
15.10.2023 - 14.11.2023 EUR -#,## Kreditkartenabrechnung-20231115.pdf

A snippet from _umsaetze.html
RAIFFEISEN CardService Umsätze
Reserviert23.12.2023Shop #, City #EUR -#,##EUR -#,##
Reserviert23.12.2023Shop #, City #EUR -#,##EUR -#,##

The PDF references look like they ought to be clickable links, but they
don't appear to be interactive in any way.

Looking at the two HTML files in a text editor, I can see they're chock
full of styling and drawing code, and lots of references to font and
JavaScript files which aren't included in the zip file, but I haven't
seen any obvious data in the content.  It's a huge blob to try and look
through, though.  I see a collection of numbers at the bottom that's
probably SVG data, but I can't read it directly.  I'd call it a huge
messy way to try and display a tiny bit of data.

I hope it doesn't contain any private data, because you've just made it
completely public.

I could upload a screenshot of how it rendered if you want, and if
widening your browser window doesn't help you, but since it may be
private data I don't want to make the situation worse.  Your call...
 
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Re: Strange Firefox - Invalid representation

[Walter H. via users]

Have you tried this?

https://hosting117696.a2f78.netcup.net/xchg/_banking.zip



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Re: Strange Firefox - Invalid representation

[Tim via users]

On Mon, 2023-12-25 at 06:34 +0100, Walter H. via users wrote:
> with Windows this problem doesn't exist with Firefox, I tried
> Firefox with Fedora, CentOS, Debian and there exists the Problem;
> 
> faking the useragent with Linux, no solution

Did you also fake the operating system info, too?  (Pretending it's
Firefox on Windows.)

Sometimes when you hit a bad snag with a website clearing your cache
forces a reload of something that stuffed up the first time around. 
Give that a try.  And, on a hunch, just see if the English version of
their site behaves any differently.

I can't really try out different things on a site like that (banking
sites aren't going to be very browseable to non-customers).  But the
main page and a few of its links loaded up pages that looked neat (this
test being Firefox on CentOS7).


 
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Re: Strange Firefox - Invalid representation

[Walter H. via users]

with Windows this problem doesn't exist with Firefox, I tried
Firefox with Fedora, CentOS, Debian and there exists the Problem;

faking the useragent with Linux, no solution

downloading
https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/releases/115.6.0esr/linux-x86_64/en-US/
unpacking and just starting the file 'firefox' the same result
(also with removing the fedora firefox package  'dnf -y remove firefox')

Walter

On Sun, Dec 24, 2023 at 4:58 PM Walter H. via users 
 wrote:


> It's been my experience that the problem is likely with the website,
> not the browser. Oftentimes, misbehaving websites only test against
> Chrome, or Chrome and Edge. They often neglect Firefox. And if you
> inspect the JavaScript, you will see code paths carved out like that.
>
> You should probably contact the website developers and ask them to 
support Firefox.

>
> Jeff




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Re: Strange Firefox - Invalid representation

[Jeffrey Walton]

On Sun, Dec 24, 2023 at 4:58 PM Walter H. via users
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>
> I'm using for electronic banking a Fedora as VM guest on my Windows
> Workstation;
>
> actually Firefox 121.0
>
> I've here a .ZIP-file containing two HTML-Files and a _files-Folder with
> a few other files (JS, image, ...)
> (did a download of the whole page, edited the HTML to remove data)
>
> https://hosting117696.a2f78.netcup.net/xchg/_banking.zip
>
> if someone sees the same behaviour like me -
> https://pasteboard.co/WSoV3DatoWve.png
>
> please tell the developer to fix this

It's been my experience that the problem is likely with the website,
not the browser. Oftentimes, misbehaving websites only test against
Chrome, or Chrome and Edge. They often neglect Firefox. And if you
inspect the JavaScript, you will see code paths carved out like that.

You should probably contact the website developers and ask them to
support Firefox.

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Strange Firefox - Invalid representation

[Walter H. via users]

Hello,

I'm using for electronic banking a Fedora as VM guest on my Windows 
Workstation;


actually Firefox 121.0

I've here a .ZIP-file containing two HTML-Files and a _files-Folder with 
a few other files (JS, image, ...)

(did a download of the whole page, edited the HTML to remove data)

https://hosting117696.a2f78.netcup.net/xchg/_banking.zip

if someone sees the same behaviour like me - 
https://pasteboard.co/WSoV3DatoWve.png


please tell the developer to fix this

Thanks,

Walter







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Re: firefox keeps freezing on me

[Roger Heflin]

It is almost certainly going to be a memory issue.

In fact earlier today Firefox made my 32G windows 11 device mostly
useless (not a complete lockup for anything but firefox, but
everything else was horribly slow).

I have had to kill firefox on multiple different websites and multiple
different machines.  On ones with a lot of ram they don't lockup, but
on lower ram devices (16G and under) they start paging and become
otherwise useless and lock up enough that the power off button is the
fastest solution.

If you have a second device that you can ssh into the first device,
ssh into the first device and run top and leave it running.  On lockup
see what top last said before you reset/powered it off.

You could also do top > top.out & and simply leave that running and
the go see what top was showing next lockup.


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> On Mon, 27 Nov 2023, Michael Hennebry wrote:
>
> > On Sat, 25 Nov 2023, Roger Heflin wrote:
> >
> >> Hardware issues do not typically leave the machine up (except for
> >> intel/amd throttling down when getting hot, but even that will crash
> >> if it gets bad enough).install kernel-tools and run turbostat it
> >> will show the cpu freqs and cpu temps.
> >
> > My CPU is Intel.
> > I'll try kernel-tools.
>
> Today is the first time firefox froze on me since leaving turbostat running.
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Re: firefox keeps freezing on me

[Michael Hennebry]

On Mon, 27 Nov 2023, Michael Hennebry wrote:


On Sat, 25 Nov 2023, Roger Heflin wrote:


Hardware issues do not typically leave the machine up (except for
intel/amd throttling down when getting hot, but even that will crash
if it gets bad enough).install kernel-tools and run turbostat it
will show the cpu freqs and cpu temps.


My CPU is Intel.
I'll try kernel-tools.


Today is the first time firefox froze on me since leaving turbostat running.

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Re: I think Firefox crashed my system

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Sun, 2023-12-10 at 16:08 -0700, Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 12/10/2023 03:09 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > In my case at least there wasn't even a mouse cursor on screen, and
> > the
> > fact that nothing was written to the journal for about 10 hours
> > before
> > I rebooted would seem to indicate everything was dead. I should
> > have
> > tried an ssh from my laptop but was too impatient to get the system
> > up.
> 
> Have you tried activating the Magic SysRq key and using it when this 
> happens?

It's never happened before. If it happens again I'll consider it.

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Re: I think Firefox crashed my system

[Joe Zeff]

On 12/10/2023 03:09 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

In my case at least there wasn't even a mouse cursor on screen, and the
fact that nothing was written to the journal for about 10 hours before
I rebooted would seem to indicate everything was dead. I should have
tried an ssh from my laptop but was too impatient to get the system up.


Have you tried activating the Magic SysRq key and using it when this 
happens?

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Re: I think Firefox crashed my system

[Tom Horsley]

I have definitely had video driver bugs crash my system, usually
while running a web browser which seems to push every button
in the video drivers :-).

In fact every time I try using the nouveau drivers, that usually happens
somewhere between 2 hours and two days later, then I install the nvidia
drivers and the problem never happens again.
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Re: I think Firefox crashed my system

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On Mon, 2023-12-11 at 07:03 +1030, Tim via users wrote:
> On Sun, 2023-12-10 at 16:50 +, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > It should not be possible for a userland process to cause this,
> > which i
> > why I thought it could be OOM.
> 
> Hmm, I've had a mpv playing a video file hard lock-up a system
> several
> times (dunno if it was a corrupt video file, or another cause). 
> Suddenly the screen would go oddly darker, looking like there was a
> flyscreen in front of the image, then start to smear video as it
> slowly
> drew on the screen.
> 
> I expected to be able to CTRL ALT BACKSPACE to kill X and recover,
> but
> rarely did it recover from this.  The system seems far from crash-
> proof.

In my case at least there wasn't even a mouse cursor on screen, and the
fact that nothing was written to the journal for about 10 hours before
I rebooted would seem to indicate everything was dead. I should have
tried an ssh from my laptop but was too impatient to get the system up.

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Re: I think Firefox crashed my system

[Tim via users]

On Sun, 2023-12-10 at 16:50 +, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> It should not be possible for a userland process to cause this, which i
> why I thought it could be OOM.

Hmm, I've had a mpv playing a video file hard lock-up a system several
times (dunno if it was a corrupt video file, or another cause). 
Suddenly the screen would go oddly darker, looking like there was a
flyscreen in front of the image, then start to smear video as it slowly
drew on the screen.

I expected to be able to CTRL ALT BACKSPACE to kill X and recover, but
rarely did it recover from this.  The system seems far from crash-
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Re: I think Firefox crashed my system

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Sun, 2023-12-10 at 07:06 -0600, Roger Heflin wrote:
> This is not an out of memory crash.
> 
> This is a code bug in firefox and/or in the shared library being
> called by firefox.
> 
> Usually this is related to something unexpected/unhandled in the data
> stream being processed incorrectly.
> 
> I have had a few of these firefox crashes since around Nov 20.
> 
> Hopefully someone fixes it soon.
> 
I assumed it was an OOM since that's mostly what pops up on Google
searches, but it may not be.

What I neglected to point out was that when I turned on my monitor this
morning the system was completely unresponsive, i.e. no mouse and no
keyboard. The screen showed my (frozen) desktop session. The journal
ended with the crash I reported, i.e. nothing happened after that
including my usual backup and hibernation routines. I had to hard reset
the system to get back in.

It should not be possible for a userland process to cause this, which i
why I thought it could be OOM.

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Re: I think Firefox crashed my system

[Roger Heflin]

This is not an out of memory crash.

This is a code bug in firefox and/or in the shared library being
called by firefox.

Usually this is related to something unexpected/unhandled in the data
stream being processed incorrectly.

I have had a few of these firefox crashes since around Nov 20.

Hopefully someone fixes it soon.

On Sun, Dec 10, 2023 at 5:00 AM Patrick O'Callaghan
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>
> This morning I found this in my journal:
>
> Dec 09 23:53:04 Bree kernel: traps: Isolated Web Co[188480] general 
> protection fault ip:7f6a44c75871 sp:7ffc2a7be1f0 error:0 in 
> libxul.so[7f6a42462000+4664000]
> Dec 09 23:53:04 Bree systemd[1]: Started systemd-coredump@12-239925-0.service 
> - Process Core Dump (PID 239925/UID 0).
> Dec 09 23:53:05 Bree abrt-dump-journal-oops[182510]: abrt-dump-journal-oops: 
> Found oopses: 1
> Dec 09 23:53:05 Bree abrt-dump-journal-oops[182510]: abrt-dump-journal-oops: 
> Creating problem directories
> Dec 09 23:53:06 Bree abrt-dump-journal-oops[182510]: Reported 1 kernel oopses 
> to Abrt
> Dec 09 23:53:07 Bree abrt-server[239927]: Can't find a meaningful backtrace 
> for hashing in '.'
> Dec 09 23:53:07 Bree abrt-server[239927]: Deleting non-reportable oops '.' 
> because DropNotReportableOopses is set to 'yes'
> Dec 09 23:53:07 Bree abrt-server[239927]: 'post-create' on 
> '/var/spool/abrt/oops-2023-12-09-23:53:05-182510-0' exited with 1
> Dec 09 23:53:07 Bree abrt-server[239927]: Deleting problem directory 
> '/var/spool/abrt/oops-2023-12-09-23:53:05-182510-0'
> Dec 09 23:53:07 Bree abrt-server[239927]: Lock file '.lock' was locked by 
> process 239940, but it crashed?
> Dec 09 23:53:07 Bree systemd-coredump[239926]: [] Process 188480 (Isolated 
> Web Co) of user 1000 dumped core.
>
>Module libxcb-dri3.so.0 from 
> rpm libxcb-1.13.1-12.fc39.x86_64
>Module libnuma.so.1 from rpm 
> numactl-2.0.16-3.fc39.x86_64
>Module libogg.so.0 from rpm 
> libogg-1.3.5-6.fc39.x86_64
>
> etc. etc. (I'll omit the rest of the trace)
>
> libxul.so is part of Firefox (and Thunderbird, which I don't use).
> Apparently "Isolated Web Co" is a Firefox process which has been
> reported for years as leaking memory, though I haven't noticed it doing
> this myself (I have a lot of swap). Some people think it's related to
> viewing YouTube videos, which I do do.
>
> My question is: why doesn't the OOM killer stamp on this before it gets
> out of hand? Isn't that what it's for?
>
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I think Firefox crashed my system

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

This morning I found this in my journal:

Dec 09 23:53:04 Bree kernel: traps: Isolated Web Co[188480] general protection 
fault ip:7f6a44c75871 sp:7ffc2a7be1f0 error:0 in libxul.so[7f6a42462000+4664000]
Dec 09 23:53:04 Bree systemd[1]: Started systemd-coredump@12-239925-0.service - 
Process Core Dump (PID 239925/UID 0).
Dec 09 23:53:05 Bree abrt-dump-journal-oops[182510]: abrt-dump-journal-oops: 
Found oopses: 1
Dec 09 23:53:05 Bree abrt-dump-journal-oops[182510]: abrt-dump-journal-oops: 
Creating problem directories
Dec 09 23:53:06 Bree abrt-dump-journal-oops[182510]: Reported 1 kernel oopses 
to Abrt
Dec 09 23:53:07 Bree abrt-server[239927]: Can't find a meaningful backtrace for 
hashing in '.'
Dec 09 23:53:07 Bree abrt-server[239927]: Deleting non-reportable oops '.' 
because DropNotReportableOopses is set to 'yes'
Dec 09 23:53:07 Bree abrt-server[239927]: 'post-create' on 
'/var/spool/abrt/oops-2023-12-09-23:53:05-182510-0' exited with 1
Dec 09 23:53:07 Bree abrt-server[239927]: Deleting problem directory 
'/var/spool/abrt/oops-2023-12-09-23:53:05-182510-0'
Dec 09 23:53:07 Bree abrt-server[239927]: Lock file '.lock' was locked by 
process 239940, but it crashed?
Dec 09 23:53:07 Bree systemd-coredump[239926]: [] Process 188480 (Isolated Web 
Co) of user 1000 dumped core.
   
   Module libxcb-dri3.so.0 from rpm 
libxcb-1.13.1-12.fc39.x86_64
   Module libnuma.so.1 from rpm 
numactl-2.0.16-3.fc39.x86_64
   Module libogg.so.0 from rpm 
libogg-1.3.5-6.fc39.x86_64

etc. etc. (I'll omit the rest of the trace)

libxul.so is part of Firefox (and Thunderbird, which I don't use).
Apparently "Isolated Web Co" is a Firefox process which has been
reported for years as leaking memory, though I haven't noticed it doing
this myself (I have a lot of swap). Some people think it's related to
viewing YouTube videos, which I do do.

My question is: why doesn't the OOM killer stamp on this before it gets
out of hand? Isn't that what it's for?

poc
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Re: firefox keeps freezing on me

[Michael Hennebry]

On Sat, 25 Nov 2023, Roger Heflin wrote:


Hardware issues do not typically leave the machine up (except for
intel/amd throttling down when getting hot, but even that will crash
if it gets bad enough).install kernel-tools and run turbostat it
will show the cpu freqs and cpu temps.


My CPU is Intel.
I'll try kernel-tools.

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Re: firefox keeps freezing on me

[Tim via users]

Tim:
>> So, come OS install and update times, I tend to open a box, inspect
>> heatsinks, clean it, and reseat all the connections.  Having a spare
>> power supply to swap over is handy, too.  They don't always age
>> well, especially the bargain basement types.
> 

Joe Zeff:
> Have you ever used a gravity-assist to reseat everything at once?

Ha ha, no.  But I have seen another guy pick up a boom box and bang it
on the table several times until an intermittent went away.

A friend gave me his expensive graphics card that had died.  He got
pissed off with his PC and punched it and threw it around on the
concrete floor.  The case was amusingly dented, and a transistor fell
off the graphics card.  I soldered it back on and it worked fine.
It could well have been the cause of all his woes, being badly soldered
on in the first place, and intermittently failing.

He'd given me another graphics card before that had overheated when its
cooling fan seized, then the heat melted the plastic fan.  I just aimed
a case mounted fan, it worked fine for many years that way until I
retired the system for being ancient and slow compared to current
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Re: firefox keeps freezing on me

[Roger Heflin]

Only if freezing includes the machine crashing.If the machine is
not crashing and it recovers from the freeze without a reboot/power
cycle then we are back to memory/paging being a problem.  Note I have
seen swapping act as badly.  And it may only be every so often that it
runs out of ram.My older 10GB machine was having serious issues
with ram usage a couple of years ago until I retired it (upgrading the
ram would have cost 50% of the price of a new much faster
machine--ddr2 4gb dimms are expensive).

Hardware issues do not typically leave the machine up (except for
intel/amd throttling down when getting hot, but even that will crash
if it gets bad enough).install kernel-tools and run turbostat it
will show the cpu freqs and cpu temps.

On Sat, Nov 25, 2023 at 4:01 AM Jeffrey Walton  wrote:
>
> On Sat, Nov 25, 2023 at 2:08 AM Tim  wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, 2023-11-24 at 21:02 -0500, Jeffrey Walton wrote:
> > > You are having far too many problems with too many programs. The
> > > common fixes are not helping.
> >
> > Remembering tales from long ago - how updating an OS often seemed to
> > induce faults in hardware that was apparently working fine before.
> > There's many reasons why this may be the case.
> >
> > The newer code is poking different areas of memory than before.
> > Previously a memory fault existed, but not in an area that you noticed
> > (maybe one pixel in the display never worked) and the system didn't
> > throw a tantrum about, but now that bit of RAM is being used by some
> > important operating system process.  I've experienced this kind of
> > thing (one install worked fine, apparently, even with RAM that tested
> > as faulty, the next install did not).  And, of course, there's things
> > like manufacturers releasing faulty hardware that fails on a newer
> > driver thanks to happenstance that the prior driver didn't provoke.
> >
> > The install process was CPU intensive for a prolonged time and stressed
> > something on a system that has spent most of its time the last few
> > years just idling only.  A heatsink wasn't good enough, or clogged up
> > with fluff, or not fastened properly, or the thermal paste dried out or
> > wasn't applied well in the first place, or the cooling fan was failing,
> > and the CPU overheated.  Some power filtering component on the edge of
> > dying, did.  A vibrating DVD drive finally weakened some bad soldering
> > joint...
> >
> > And another one I've experienced:  Prior to an upgrade, you've picked
> > up the box and cleaned it, or just moved it.  The box isn't rigid, it
> > twists a bit, and some of the daughter boards aren't properly seated to
> > the motherboard any more (video cards, memory cards, etc).  This also
> > happens when the ambient temperature changes a lot - things creep out.
> > Even a CPU socket can go bad, and I'm surprised this doesn't happen
> > more often, considering the huge cooling devices that are crushed onto
> > them, these days.  As far back as the old Apple ][ it was a common
> > debugging procedure to re-seat all the cards and socketed chips, to fix
> > odd failures.  Also, some cards didn't have very good edge connectors,
> > cleaning them often made things better.
> >
> > I remember a range of Macs had problems (as they aged) with the factory
> > soldering not being up to par.  People would remove all the plastic
> > parts and back the motherboard in an effort to re-flow the solder.  I
> > was given one in that condition, but decided it wasn't worth the pain
> > to try and fix.  Solder faults on complex machine boards tend to be
> > everywhere, not just one spot.  Often caused by the solder being too
> > contaminated on the build day, or wrong temperature, or the boards
> > being contaminated.  Things sometimes just age and fail from cumulative
> > decay.
> >
> > So, come OS install and update times, I tend to open a box, inspect
> > heatsinks, clean it, and reseat all the connections.  Having a spare
> > power supply to swap over is handy, too.  They don't always age well,
> > especially the bargain basement types.
>
> I'm guessing he's got a chip that is overheating when powered on or
> under load. Maybe due to a bad fan, maybe a bad capacitor, maybe
> something else.
>
> It would be interesting to see an IR image of the motherboard and
> chips while powered on. See if anything is hitting 70 or 80°C.
>
> Jeff
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Re: firefox keeps freezing on me

[Joe Zeff]

On 11/25/2023 12:08 AM, Tim via users wrote:

So, come OS install and update times, I tend to open a box, inspect
heatsinks, clean it, and reseat all the connections.  Having a spare
power supply to swap over is handy, too.  They don't always age well,
especially the bargain basement types.


Have you ever used a gravity-assist to reseat everything at once?
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Re: firefox keeps freezing on me

[Jeffrey Walton]

On Sat, Nov 25, 2023 at 2:08 AM Tim  wrote:
>
> On Fri, 2023-11-24 at 21:02 -0500, Jeffrey Walton wrote:
> > You are having far too many problems with too many programs. The
> > common fixes are not helping.
>
> Remembering tales from long ago - how updating an OS often seemed to
> induce faults in hardware that was apparently working fine before.
> There's many reasons why this may be the case.
>
> The newer code is poking different areas of memory than before.
> Previously a memory fault existed, but not in an area that you noticed
> (maybe one pixel in the display never worked) and the system didn't
> throw a tantrum about, but now that bit of RAM is being used by some
> important operating system process.  I've experienced this kind of
> thing (one install worked fine, apparently, even with RAM that tested
> as faulty, the next install did not).  And, of course, there's things
> like manufacturers releasing faulty hardware that fails on a newer
> driver thanks to happenstance that the prior driver didn't provoke.
>
> The install process was CPU intensive for a prolonged time and stressed
> something on a system that has spent most of its time the last few
> years just idling only.  A heatsink wasn't good enough, or clogged up
> with fluff, or not fastened properly, or the thermal paste dried out or
> wasn't applied well in the first place, or the cooling fan was failing,
> and the CPU overheated.  Some power filtering component on the edge of
> dying, did.  A vibrating DVD drive finally weakened some bad soldering
> joint...
>
> And another one I've experienced:  Prior to an upgrade, you've picked
> up the box and cleaned it, or just moved it.  The box isn't rigid, it
> twists a bit, and some of the daughter boards aren't properly seated to
> the motherboard any more (video cards, memory cards, etc).  This also
> happens when the ambient temperature changes a lot - things creep out.
> Even a CPU socket can go bad, and I'm surprised this doesn't happen
> more often, considering the huge cooling devices that are crushed onto
> them, these days.  As far back as the old Apple ][ it was a common
> debugging procedure to re-seat all the cards and socketed chips, to fix
> odd failures.  Also, some cards didn't have very good edge connectors,
> cleaning them often made things better.
>
> I remember a range of Macs had problems (as they aged) with the factory
> soldering not being up to par.  People would remove all the plastic
> parts and back the motherboard in an effort to re-flow the solder.  I
> was given one in that condition, but decided it wasn't worth the pain
> to try and fix.  Solder faults on complex machine boards tend to be
> everywhere, not just one spot.  Often caused by the solder being too
> contaminated on the build day, or wrong temperature, or the boards
> being contaminated.  Things sometimes just age and fail from cumulative
> decay.
>
> So, come OS install and update times, I tend to open a box, inspect
> heatsinks, clean it, and reseat all the connections.  Having a spare
> power supply to swap over is handy, too.  They don't always age well,
> especially the bargain basement types.

I'm guessing he's got a chip that is overheating when powered on or
under load. Maybe due to a bad fan, maybe a bad capacitor, maybe
something else.

It would be interesting to see an IR image of the motherboard and
chips while powered on. See if anything is hitting 70 or 80°C.

Jeff
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Re: firefox keeps freezing on me

[Tim via users]

On Fri, 2023-11-24 at 21:02 -0500, Jeffrey Walton wrote:
> You are having far too many problems with too many programs. The
> common fixes are not helping.

Remembering tales from long ago - how updating an OS often seemed to
induce faults in hardware that was apparently working fine before. 
There's many reasons why this may be the case.

The newer code is poking different areas of memory than before. 
Previously a memory fault existed, but not in an area that you noticed
(maybe one pixel in the display never worked) and the system didn't
throw a tantrum about, but now that bit of RAM is being used by some
important operating system process.  I've experienced this kind of
thing (one install worked fine, apparently, even with RAM that tested
as faulty, the next install did not).  And, of course, there's things
like manufacturers releasing faulty hardware that fails on a newer
driver thanks to happenstance that the prior driver didn't provoke.

The install process was CPU intensive for a prolonged time and stressed
something on a system that has spent most of its time the last few
years just idling only.  A heatsink wasn't good enough, or clogged up
with fluff, or not fastened properly, or the thermal paste dried out or
wasn't applied well in the first place, or the cooling fan was failing,
and the CPU overheated.  Some power filtering component on the edge of
dying, did.  A vibrating DVD drive finally weakened some bad soldering
joint...

And another one I've experienced:  Prior to an upgrade, you've picked
up the box and cleaned it, or just moved it.  The box isn't rigid, it
twists a bit, and some of the daughter boards aren't properly seated to
the motherboard any more (video cards, memory cards, etc).  This also
happens when the ambient temperature changes a lot - things creep out. 
Even a CPU socket can go bad, and I'm surprised this doesn't happen
more often, considering the huge cooling devices that are crushed onto
them, these days.  As far back as the old Apple ][ it was a common
debugging procedure to re-seat all the cards and socketed chips, to fix
odd failures.  Also, some cards didn't have very good edge connectors,
cleaning them often made things better.

I remember a range of Macs had problems (as they aged) with the factory
soldering not being up to par.  People would remove all the plastic
parts and back the motherboard in an effort to re-flow the solder.  I
was given one in that condition, but decided it wasn't worth the pain
to try and fix.  Solder faults on complex machine boards tend to be
everywhere, not just one spot.  Often caused by the solder being too
contaminated on the build day, or wrong temperature, or the boards
being contaminated.  Things sometimes just age and fail from cumulative
decay.

So, come OS install and update times, I tend to open a box, inspect
heatsinks, clean it, and reseat all the connections.  Having a spare
power supply to swap over is handy, too.  They don't always age well,
especially the bargain basement types.
 
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Re: firefox keeps freezing on me

[Jeffrey Walton]

On Fri, Nov 24, 2023 at 8:57 PM Michael Hennebry
 wrote:
>
> chromium is freezing on me now, too.
> journalctl -r -g romium
> does not reveal any errors or warnings.
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You are having far too many problems with too many programs. The
common fixes are not helping.

Try new hardware.

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Re: firefox keeps freezing on me

[Michael Hennebry]

chromium is freezing on me now, too.
journalctl -r -g romium
does not reveal any errors or warnings.

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Re: firefox keeps freezing on me

[Michael Hennebry]

On Thu, 23 Nov 2023, Samuel Sieb wrote:

I'm saying it wasn't a memory thing.  Here are some example lines that I saw. 
They were all together at the time that firefox was stuck.


rtkit-daemon[1090]: Successfully made thread 7825 of process 6769 
(/usr/lib64/firefox/firefox) owned by '1000' RT at priority 10.


firefox.desktop[2327]: [Parent 2327, Main Thread] WARNING: 
g_dbus_connection_unregister_object: assertion 'G_IS_DBUS_CONNECTION 
(connection)' failed: 'glib warning', file 
/builddir/build/BUILD/firefox-120.0/toolkit/xre/nsSigHandlers.cpp:187


firefox[2327]: g_dbus_connection_unregister_object: assertion 
'G_IS_DBUS_CONNECTION (connection)' failed
firefox.desktop[2327]: [Parent 2327, Main Thread] WARNING: Error releasing 
name org.mpris.MediaPlayer2.firefox.instance2327: Timeout was reached: 'glib 
warning', file 
/builddir/build/BUILD/firefox-120.0/toolkit/xre/nsSigHandlers.cpp:187


I got eleven of those yesterday.
file /builddir/build/BUILD/firefox-119.0/toolkit/xre/nsSigHandlers.cpp:167



firefox[2327]: Error releasing name 
org.mpris.MediaPlayer2.firefox.instance2327: Timeout was reached
firefox.desktop[2327]: [Parent 2327, Main Thread] WARNING: Create input 
context failed: Timeout was reached.: 'glib warning', file 
/builddir/build/BUILD/firefox-120.0/toolkit/xre/nsSigHandlers.cpp:187


firefox[2327]: Create input context failed: Timeout was reached.
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Re: firefox keeps freezing on me

[Samuel Sieb]

On 11/23/23 17:37, Michael Hennebry wrote:

On Thu, 23 Nov 2023, Samuel Sieb wrote:


On 11/23/23 17:12, Michael Hennebry wrote:

On Thu, 23 Nov 2023, Samuel Sieb wrote:

Have you checked the journal?  I had this happen on a computer that 
definitely wasn't low on memory and the journal had a bunch of 
messages from firefox about timeouts.


journalctl  and then what?


I used "journalctl -r" which will display lines reversed starting from 
the most recent.  Or you can run "journalctl -b" and press "G" to go 
to the end. It uses the same navigation keys as "less".


I used journalctl -r -g irefox
Rather a lot of
... [Child 287536, MediaDecoderStateMachine #1] WARNING: 
Decoder=7fde2015e400 Decode error:...

I suspect they relate to a video I was trying to watch.
Did not see anything that seemed to be a memory thing.


Possibly related, I'm also getting issues where typing doesn't work for 
a long time with the following messages in the log:


firefox.desktop[2327]: [Parent 2327, Main Thread] WARNING: Process Key 
Event failed: Timeout was reached.: 'glib warning', file 
/builddir/build/BUILD/firefox-120.0/toolkit/xre/nsSigHandlers.cpp:187


firefox[2327]: Process Key Event failed: Timeout was reached.
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Re: firefox keeps freezing on me

[Samuel Sieb]

On 11/23/23 17:37, Michael Hennebry wrote:

On Thu, 23 Nov 2023, Samuel Sieb wrote:


On 11/23/23 17:12, Michael Hennebry wrote:

On Thu, 23 Nov 2023, Samuel Sieb wrote:

Have you checked the journal?  I had this happen on a computer that 
definitely wasn't low on memory and the journal had a bunch of 
messages from firefox about timeouts.


journalctl  and then what?


I used "journalctl -r" which will display lines reversed starting from 
the most recent.  Or you can run "journalctl -b" and press "G" to go 
to the end. It uses the same navigation keys as "less".


I used journalctl -r -g irefox
Rather a lot of
... [Child 287536, MediaDecoderStateMachine #1] WARNING: 
Decoder=7fde2015e400 Decode error:...

I suspect they relate to a video I was trying to watch.
Did not see anything that seemed to be a memory thing.


I'm saying it wasn't a memory thing.  Here are some example lines that I 
saw.  They were all together at the time that firefox was stuck.


rtkit-daemon[1090]: Successfully made thread 7825 of process 6769 
(/usr/lib64/firefox/firefox) owned by '1000' RT at priority 10.


firefox.desktop[2327]: [Parent 2327, Main Thread] WARNING: 
g_dbus_connection_unregister_object: assertion 'G_IS_DBUS_CONNECTION 
(connection)' failed: 'glib warning', file 
/builddir/build/BUILD/firefox-120.0/toolkit/xre/nsSigHandlers.cpp:187


firefox[2327]: g_dbus_connection_unregister_object: assertion 
'G_IS_DBUS_CONNECTION (connection)' failed
firefox.desktop[2327]: [Parent 2327, Main Thread] WARNING: Error 
releasing name org.mpris.MediaPlayer2.firefox.instance2327: Timeout was 
reached: 'glib warning', file 
/builddir/build/BUILD/firefox-120.0/toolkit/xre/nsSigHandlers.cpp:187


firefox[2327]: Error releasing name 
org.mpris.MediaPlayer2.firefox.instance2327: Timeout was reached
firefox.desktop[2327]: [Parent 2327, Main Thread] WARNING: Create input 
context failed: Timeout was reached.: 'glib warning', file 
/builddir/build/BUILD/firefox-120.0/toolkit/xre/nsSigHandlers.cpp:187


firefox[2327]: Create input context failed: Timeout was reached.
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Re: firefox keeps freezing on me

[Michael Hennebry]

On Thu, 23 Nov 2023, Samuel Sieb wrote:


On 11/23/23 17:12, Michael Hennebry wrote:

On Thu, 23 Nov 2023, Samuel Sieb wrote:

Have you checked the journal?  I had this happen on a computer that 
definitely wasn't low on memory and the journal had a bunch of messages 
from firefox about timeouts.


journalctl  and then what?


I used "journalctl -r" which will display lines reversed starting from the 
most recent.  Or you can run "journalctl -b" and press "G" to go to the end. 
It uses the same navigation keys as "less".


I used journalctl -r -g irefox
Rather a lot of
... [Child 287536, MediaDecoderStateMachine #1] WARNING: Decoder=7fde2015e400 
Decode error:...
I suspect they relate to a video I was trying to watch.
Did not see anything that seemed to be a memory thing.

Time for supper.

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Re: firefox keeps freezing on me

[Samuel Sieb]

On 11/23/23 17:12, Michael Hennebry wrote:

On Thu, 23 Nov 2023, Samuel Sieb wrote:

Have you checked the journal?  I had this happen on a computer that 
definitely wasn't low on memory and the journal had a bunch of 
messages from firefox about timeouts.


journalctl  and then what?


I used "journalctl -r" which will display lines reversed starting from 
the most recent.  Or you can run "journalctl -b" and press "G" to go to 
the end.  It uses the same navigation keys as "less".

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Re: firefox keeps freezing on me

[Michael Hennebry]

On Thu, 23 Nov 2023, Samuel Sieb wrote:

Have you checked the journal?  I had this happen on a computer that 
definitely wasn't low on memory and the journal had a bunch of messages from 
firefox about timeouts.


journalctl  and then what?

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Re: firefox keeps freezing on me

[Michael D. Setzer II via users]

On 23 Nov 2023 at 18:53, Michael Hennebry wrote:

Date sent:  Thu, 23 Nov 2023 18:53:41 -0600 (CST)
From:   Michael Hennebry 

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Subject:Re: firefox keeps freezing on me
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> On Thu, 23 Nov 2023, Jeffrey Walton wrote:
> 
> > On Thu, Nov 23, 2023 at 2:21?PM Michael Hennebry
> >  wrote:
> >>
> >> By now, I am fairly sure that the reason firefox freezes
> >> on me is neither a lack of memory nor a lack of CPU.
> >> My inference is that it is waiting for something.
> >> How do I discover what?
> >
> > I would investigate the virtual memory system. That's based on your
> > reply to Roger Heflin, and the 8GB of RAM and no swap file. Maybe
> 

Might want to run firefox from a command line and see if it reports 
anything. 

I don't get a freeze, but do see this, perhaps something will be 
shown?

firefox
ATTENTION: default value of option mesa_glthread overridden by 
environment.
ATTENTION: default value of option mesa_glthread overridden by 
environment.
[Parent 346000, Main Thread] WARNING: Failed to call 
GetIdletime(): 
GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The 
name org.gnome.Mutter.IdleMonitor was not provided by any 
.service files
: 'glib warning', file 
/builddir/build/BUILD/firefox-120.0/toolkit/xre/nsSigHandlers.cpp:1
87

** (firefox:346000): WARNING **: 11:01:58.425: Failed to call 
GetIdletime(): 
GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The 
name org.gnome.Mutter.IdleMonitor was not provided by any 
.service files




> You mean this:
> Michael Hennebry wrote (some whitespace deleted):
> > $ free -h
> >   totalusedfree  shared  buff/cache available
> > Mem:  7.7Gi   4.1Gi   882Mi   572Mi   2.7Gi 2.7Gi
> > Swap: 7.7Gi98Mi   7.6Gi
> > $ I have no swap partition.
> ?
> I'd have thought 882Mi free and 2.7Gi available would be good.
> BTW I have a lot of tabs, but not a lot of videos.
> Mostly my tabs are things to read.
> 
> > start with `vm.overcommit_memory = 2` in `/etc/sysctl.conf`. The 2
> > says, "say no if we don't have the memory".
> 
> From the persistence of the belief that I am running out of memory,
> I infer one of two scenarios is assumed:
> 1: firefox is waiting on memory is was told it has, but might never get.
> 2: firefox has been told memory is unavailable,
> but does not do anything sensible with that information.
> The output from free would seem to preclude both scenarios.
> 
> What is the state of a process that is waiting on commited,
> but unavailable, memory?
> 
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Re: firefox keeps freezing on me

[Samuel Sieb]

On 11/23/23 16:53, Michael Hennebry wrote:

On Thu, 23 Nov 2023, Jeffrey Walton wrote:


On Thu, Nov 23, 2023 at 2:21?PM Michael Hennebry
 wrote:


By now, I am fairly sure that the reason firefox freezes
on me is neither a lack of memory nor a lack of CPU.
My inference is that it is waiting for something.
How do I discover what?


I would investigate the virtual memory system. That's based on your
reply to Roger Heflin, and the 8GB of RAM and no swap file. Maybe


You mean this:
Michael Hennebry wrote (some whitespace deleted):

$ free -h
  total    used    free  shared  buff/cache available
Mem:  7.7Gi   4.1Gi   882Mi   572Mi   2.7Gi 2.7Gi
Swap: 7.7Gi    98Mi   7.6Gi
$ I have no swap partition.

?
I'd have thought 882Mi free and 2.7Gi available would be good.
BTW I have a lot of tabs, but not a lot of videos.
Mostly my tabs are things to read.


Have you checked the journal?  I had this happen on a computer that 
definitely wasn't low on memory and the journal had a bunch of messages 
from firefox about timeouts.

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Re: firefox keeps freezing on me

[Michael Hennebry]

On Thu, 23 Nov 2023, Jeffrey Walton wrote:


On Thu, Nov 23, 2023 at 2:21?PM Michael Hennebry
 wrote:


By now, I am fairly sure that the reason firefox freezes
on me is neither a lack of memory nor a lack of CPU.
My inference is that it is waiting for something.
How do I discover what?


I would investigate the virtual memory system. That's based on your
reply to Roger Heflin, and the 8GB of RAM and no swap file. Maybe


You mean this:
Michael Hennebry wrote (some whitespace deleted):

$ free -h
  totalusedfree  shared  buff/cache available
Mem:  7.7Gi   4.1Gi   882Mi   572Mi   2.7Gi 2.7Gi
Swap: 7.7Gi98Mi   7.6Gi
$ I have no swap partition.

?
I'd have thought 882Mi free and 2.7Gi available would be good.
BTW I have a lot of tabs, but not a lot of videos.
Mostly my tabs are things to read.


start with `vm.overcommit_memory = 2` in `/etc/sysctl.conf`. The 2
says, "say no if we don't have the memory".


From the persistence of the belief that I am running out of memory,
I infer one of two scenarios is assumed:
1: firefox is waiting on memory is was told it has, but might never get.
2: firefox has been told memory is unavailable,
but does not do anything sensible with that information.
The output from free would seem to preclude both scenarios.

What is the state of a process that is waiting on commited,
but unavailable, memory?

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Re: firefox keeps freezing on me

[Jeffrey Walton]

On Thu, Nov 23, 2023 at 2:21 PM Michael Hennebry
 wrote:
>
> By now, I am fairly sure that the reason firefox freezes
> on me is neither a lack of memory nor a lack of CPU.
> My inference is that it is waiting for something.
> How do I discover what?

I would investigate the virtual memory system. That's based on your
reply to Roger Heflin, and the 8GB of RAM and no swap file. Maybe
start with `vm.overcommit_memory = 2` in `/etc/sysctl.conf`. The 2
says, "say no if we don't have the memory".

Firefox is a memory hog. It gets worse as you add more tabs. I would
add more RAM and a swap partition. Or I would use a less resource
intensive browser.

If you really want to see memory pressure pain, then install Solaris.
It does not overcommit memory like Linux does.

Jeff
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Re: firefox keeps freezing on me

[Michael Hennebry]

By now, I am fairly sure that the reason firefox freezes
on me is neither a lack of memory nor a lack of CPU.
My inference is that it is waiting for something.
How do I discover what?

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Re: does Firefox honor local self-signed CAs ?

[Barry]

You have not said what you mean by sending that url.BarryOn 19 Nov 2023, at 17:49, Bryan  wrote:

  

  
  
http://www.cacert.org/

On 19/11/2023 17:37, Barry wrote:


  
  
  
  
On 19 Nov 2023, at 16:45, lejeczek via
  users  wrote:
  

  
  

  
  Hi guys

I put my own CAs certs into:
/etc/pki/ca-trust/source/anchors
then _update-ca-trust_
My other web-browsers seem happy but Firefox always
shows/warns: connection not secure
as oppose to other browsers saying: is secure
  
  
  
  
  You have to load your CA into Firefox itself. It does not fedora’s
  trust store.
  Search for certificate in Firefox settings.


Barry
  
 
Something has changed in default behavior - I remember
Firefox did not do it - even if it was possible to
"tweak" Firefox back to "normal"

would you know?
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Re: does Firefox honor local self-signed CAs ?

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> On 19 Nov 2023, at 16:45, lejeczek via users  
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> 
>  Hi guys
> 
> I put my own CAs certs into: /etc/pki/ca-trust/source/anchors
> then _update-ca-trust_
> My other web-browsers seem happy but Firefox always shows/warns: connection 
> not secure
> as oppose to other browsers saying: is secure

You have to load your CA into Firefox itself. It does not fedora’s trust store.
Search for certificate in Firefox settings.

Barry
> 
> Something has changed in default behavior - I remember Firefox did not do it 
> - even if it was possible to "tweak" Firefox back to "normal"
> 
> would you know?
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does Firefox honor local self-signed CAs ?

[lejeczek via users]

Hi guys

I put my own CAs certs into: /etc/pki/ca-trust/source/anchors
then _update-ca-trust_
My other web-browsers seem happy but Firefox always 
shows/warns: connection not secure

as oppose to other browsers saying: is secure

Something has changed in default behavior - I remember 
Firefox did not do it - even if it was possible to "tweak" 
Firefox back to "normal"


would you know?
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Re: Strange lines in message log when running firefox??

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On 05/11/23 00:44, Michael D. Setzer II via users wrote:


Nov  5 09:39:17 x /usr/libexec/gdm-x-session[123970]: [Parent 123970, 
Main Thread]
WARNING: Failed to call GetIdletime(): 
GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown:
The name is not activatable
Nov  5 09:39:17 x /usr/libexec/gdm-x-session[123970]: : 'glib warning', 
file
/builddir/build/BUILD/firefox-119.0/toolkit/xre/nsSigHandlers.cpp:167
Nov  5 09:39:17 x firefox[123970]: Failed to call GetIdletime():
GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name is not 
activatable

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I get the same on my up to date F38 KDE (HOST.NAME redacted):

nov 06 13:13:58 HOST.NAME plasmashell[2774]: [Parent 2774, Main Thread] 
WARNING: Failed to call GetIdletime(): 
GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name is not 
activatable
nov 06 13:13:58 HOST.NAME plasmashell[2774]: : 'glib warning', file 
/builddir/build/BUILD/firefox-119.0/toolkit/xre/nsSigHandlers.cpp:167
nov 06 13:13:58 HOST.NAME firefox[2774]: Failed to call GetIdletime(): 
GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name is not 
activatable


It repeats every 5 seconds!
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Strange lines in message log when running firefox??

[Michael D. Setzer II via users]

Nov  5 09:39:17 x /usr/libexec/gdm-x-session[123970]: [Parent 123970, 
Main Thread] 
WARNING: Failed to call GetIdletime(): 
GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: 
The name is not activatable
Nov  5 09:39:17 x /usr/libexec/gdm-x-session[123970]: : 'glib warning', 
file 
/builddir/build/BUILD/firefox-119.0/toolkit/xre/nsSigHandlers.cpp:167
Nov  5 09:39:17 x firefox[123970]: Failed to call GetIdletime(): 
GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name is not 
activatable

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Re: firefox keeps freezing on me

[Michael Hennebry]

On Fri, 3 Nov 2023, Joe Zeff wrote:


On 11/03/2023 11:50 AM, Michael Hennebry wrote:


210    linkedin.com



146    yahoo.com
  88    yahoo.net



  63    linkedin.com


Why do you have both an extension and a tab for linkedin.com, and extensions 
for both yahoo.com and yahoo.net?


I have more than one linkedin tab.
As for yahoo.com and yahoo.net, I have no idea.

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Re: firefox keeps freezing on me

[Michael Hennebry]

On Fri, 3 Nov 2023, Roger Heflin wrote:


How much ram does the machine firefox is running on have?


8 G

$ free -h
   totalusedfree  shared  buff/cache   available
Mem:   7.7Gi   4.1Gi   882Mi   572Mi   2.7Gi   2.7Gi
Swap:  7.7Gi98Mi   7.6Gi
$ 
I have no swap partition.


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Re: firefox keeps freezing on me

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\

On Fri, Nov 3, 2023 at 12:57 PM Michael Hennebry
 wrote:
>
> On Fri, 3 Nov 2023, Michael Hennebry wrote:
>
> > here are the top memory entries from about:processes:
> > 872firefox
> > 555weather.com
> > 254imasdk.googleapis.com
> > 210linkedin.com
> > 204Extensions
> > 146yahoo.com
> > 132avrfreaks.net
> > 116googlesyndication.com
> > 88yahoo.net
> > 85hackerrank.com
> > 63linkedin.com
> > 37github.com
> >
> > I note weather.com, as was previously suggested as a possible miscreant.
>
> Replacing weather.com with start.fedoraproject.com did not seem to help.
>

How much ram does the machine firefox is running on have?
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Re: firefox keeps freezing on me

[Joe Zeff]

On 11/03/2023 11:50 AM, Michael Hennebry wrote:


210    linkedin.com



146    yahoo.com
  88    yahoo.net



  63    linkedin.com


Why do you have both an extension and a tab for linkedin.com, and 
extensions for both yahoo.com and yahoo.net?

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Re: firefox keeps freezing on me

[Michael Hennebry]

On Fri, 3 Nov 2023, Michael Hennebry wrote:


here are the top memory entries from about:processes:
872firefox
555weather.com
254imasdk.googleapis.com
210linkedin.com
204Extensions
146yahoo.com
132avrfreaks.net
116googlesyndication.com
88yahoo.net
85hackerrank.com
63linkedin.com
37github.com

I note weather.com, as was previously suggested as a possible miscreant.


Replacing weather.com with start.fedoraproject.com did not seem to help.

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Re: firefox keeps freezing on me

[Michael Hennebry]

here are the top memory entries from about:processes:
872firefox
555weather.com
254imasdk.googleapis.com
210linkedin.com
204Extensions
146yahoo.com
132avrfreaks.net
116googlesyndication.com
 88yahoo.net
 85hackerrank.com
 63linkedin.com
 37github.com

I note weather.com, as was previously suggested as a possible miscreant.

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Re: firefox keeps freezing on me

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On Thu, 2023-11-02 at 11:21 -0500, Michael Hennebry wrote:
> Main, google and yahoo mail tabs seem to be taking the most CPU and memory,
> 20% 618MB, 0.6% 411MG and 0.18% 159MB .
> The latter two occasionally flicker to about 20% CPU.
> No smoking gun.

It's well to remember that it can be a cumulative problem.  Not always
one thing gone bad, but a bunch of things making life difficult.

Sometimes it's the silliest of things that make a system drag.  In my
case, I've found the live chat on a youtube stream to be a big CPU hog.
It doesn't appear to be doing much, but there's probably some
inefficiency in how they did it.  And if your PC has to start paging to
deal with it, that can really bring a system to its knees.

Dynamic pages that update themselves are going to be the worst. 
Whether that being status changes, or continually loading advertising. 
They're not always written well, make assumptions that the entire
computer is at their disposal, that all users have a super fast CPU and
infinite RAM, and often entail a large conglomeration of scripts.  You
may find a script blocker, or advert blocker, makes a huge difference
to using such sites.

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Re: firefox keeps freezing on me

[Roger Heflin]

It does seem that about:processes and about:performance seem to be same page.

So yes about:process.  When I googled it pointed me to
about:performance so I have been using that without noticing that it
was an alias.

finding and killing/restarting the specific tab has been working for
me for a couple of months.


On Thu, Nov 2, 2023 at 4:49 PM Michael Hennebry
 wrote:
>
> On Thu, 2 Nov 2023, Roger Heflin wrote:
>
> > type this In the address bar:  about:performance
>
> I cannot get to about:performance .
> 'Tis not in the about:about list.
> When I type about:performance ,
> I get about:memory .
>
> > click on the memory column and sort by biggest first.
> > see what specific web pages are using excessive ram (usually close to
> > 1gb or more).   click on the tab: entryh that sucks and a X will
> > appear on the far right, and click the X and the specific tab gets
> > killed..
> > weather.com and reddit.com are the ones that typically misbehave for me.
> >
> > I think firefox needs a simple feature that basically says if any tab
> > uses X kill/restart it.
>
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Re: firefox keeps freezing on me

[Michael Hennebry]

On Thu, 2 Nov 2023, Roger Heflin wrote:


type this In the address bar:  about:performance


I cannot get to about:performance .
'Tis not in the about:about list.
When I type about:performance ,
I get about:memory .


click on the memory column and sort by biggest first.
see what specific web pages are using excessive ram (usually close to
1gb or more).   click on the tab: entryh that sucks and a X will
appear on the far right, and click the X and the specific tab gets
killed..
weather.com and reddit.com are the ones that typically misbehave for me.

I think firefox needs a simple feature that basically says if any tab
uses X kill/restart it.


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Re: firefox keeps freezing on me

[Michael Hennebry]

On Thu, 2 Nov 2023, Joe Zeff wrote:


On 11/02/2023 02:10 PM, Michael Hennebry wrote:

With firefox frozen.


And with it closed?  What I'm trying to find out is how much of that is stuff 
Firefox needs to keep between sessions and how much of it is session 
specific.


885M with firefox closed.

BTW I've not the when the not responding message appears,
I cannot even raise the window,
but when the message is gone, I can.
Usually I cannot even click on the wait option,
not that it matters.


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Re: firefox keeps freezing on me

[Jeffrey Walton]

On Wed, Nov 1, 2023 at 11:12 PM Michael Hennebry
 wrote:
>
> My firefox on F38 freezes a lot.
> I get "Firefox" is not responding a lot.
> At one time, I thought it was because of too many windows and tabs open.
> I closed several windows.
> Shutting it down and bringing it back up often helped,
> but not necessarily for very long.
> According to top, firefox freezes even when the load
> average is less than two, most of swap is free
> and neither firefox nor its minions are near the top of top.
> My new suspicion is that it waits for something
> that does not happen often enough.
> How do I diagnose this?

I don't know how to diagnose Firefox problems. Others have given you
some places to go.

But I've found most of the time, my problems were related to GPU
drivers and acceleration. Here's how to disable them:
<https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/upgrade-graphics-drivers-use-hardware-acceleration#w_turning-off-hardware-acceleration>.

Jeff
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Re: firefox keeps freezing on me

[Michael Hennebry]

On Thu, 2 Nov 2023, Joe Zeff wrote:


On 11/02/2023 02:10 PM, Michael Hennebry wrote:

With firefox frozen.


And with it closed?  What I'm trying to find out is how much of that is stuff 
Firefox needs to keep between sessions and how much of it is session 
specific.


I'll get back to you on that,
after I get the requested memory data.
about:performances seems to be treate as an alias for about:processes .

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Re: firefox keeps freezing on me

[Joe Zeff]

On 11/02/2023 02:10 PM, Michael Hennebry wrote:

With firefox frozen.


And with it closed?  What I'm trying to find out is how much of that is 
stuff Firefox needs to keep between sessions and how much of it is 
session specific.

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Re: firefox keeps freezing on me

[Michael Hennebry]

On Thu, 2 Nov 2023, Joe Zeff wrote:


On 11/02/2023 01:55 PM, Michael Hennebry wrote:

On Thu, 2 Nov 2023, Joe Zeff wrote:


On 11/02/2023 10:21 AM, Michael Hennebry wrote:

/dev/sda7    32G   23G  7.1G  76% /home


If I'm not mistaken, firefox puts its working files both in /tmp and in 
your home directory.  If so, that may be your problem.  Consider 
installing Bleachbit and letting it clean all of the cruft out.


According to du, ~/.mozilla contains 887M .


Is that with Firefox running or closed?  In either case, my suggestion of 
Bleachbit still stands.


With firefox frozen.

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Re: firefox keeps freezing on me

[Joe Zeff]

On 11/02/2023 01:55 PM, Michael Hennebry wrote:

On Thu, 2 Nov 2023, Joe Zeff wrote:


On 11/02/2023 10:21 AM, Michael Hennebry wrote:

/dev/sda7    32G   23G  7.1G  76% /home


If I'm not mistaken, firefox puts its working files both in /tmp and 
in your home directory.  If so, that may be your problem.  Consider 
installing Bleachbit and letting it clean all of the cruft out.


According to du, ~/.mozilla contains 887M .


Is that with Firefox running or closed?  In either case, my suggestion 
of Bleachbit still stands.

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Re: firefox keeps freezing on me

[Michael Hennebry]

On Thu, 2 Nov 2023, Joe Zeff wrote:


On 11/02/2023 10:21 AM, Michael Hennebry wrote:

/dev/sda7    32G   23G  7.1G  76% /home


If I'm not mistaken, firefox puts its working files both in /tmp and in your 
home directory.  If so, that may be your problem.  Consider installing 
Bleachbit and letting it clean all of the cruft out.


According to du, ~/.mozilla contains 887M .

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Re: firefox keeps freezing on me

[Michael Hennebry]

Thank you Joe Z, Tim and Richard E.
Firefox just starting freezing.
[hennebry@fedora ~]$ df -h
Filesystem  Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
devtmpfs4.0M 0  4.0M   0% /dev
tmpfs   3.9G 0  3.9G   0% /dev/shm
tmpfs   1.6G  1.7M  1.6G   1% /run
/dev/sda331G  7.1G   23G  25% /
tmpfs   3.9G  288K  3.9G   1% /tmp
/dev/sda6   5.9G  4.4G  1.2G  80% /var
/dev/sda732G   23G  7.1G  76% /home
/dev/sdb130G  8.1G   20G  30% /run/media/hennebry/data3
tmpfs   785M   11M  774M   2% /run/user/1000
[hennebry@fedora ~]$ free -h
   totalusedfree  shared  buff/cache   available
Mem:   7.7Gi   2.9Gi   2.5Gi   472Mi   2.3Gi   4.0Gi
Swap:  7.7Gi93Mi   7.6Gi

Note that I do not have disk swap.
I expect the above is at least partly a computation involving zswap.
about:performance takes me to about:processes .
Main, google and yahoo mail tabs seem to be taking the most CPU and memory,
20% 618MB, 0.6% 411MG and 0.18% 159MB .
The latter two occasionally flicker to about 20% CPU.
No smoking gun.

Memory report:
Main Process (pid 460754)
Explicit Allocations
1,224.93 MB (100.0%) -- explicit
...
682.46 MB (100682.46 MB (100.0%) -- gfx
...
1,148.72 MB (100.0%) -- heap-committed

3.47 MB (100.0%) -- images
...
227 (100.0%) -- ipc-channels
...
635 (100.0%) -- ipc-channels-peak
...
2 (100.0%) -- js-helper-threads
...
101.68 MB (100.0%) -- js-main-runtime
...
52.69 MB (100.0%) -- js-main-runtime-gc-heap-committed
...

37 (100.0%) -- js-main-runtime-realms
...
103 (100.0%) -- message-manager
...
2,581 (100.0%) -- observer-service
...
894 (100.0%) -- observer-service-suspect
...
1,145 (100.0%) -- preference-service
...
0 (100.0%) -- queued-ipc-messages
...
0.14 MB (100.0%) -- shared-string-bundles
41.88 MB (100.0%) ++ window-objects
...

Apparently there is a tree for each tab.
I have a lot of tabs.

This took me about an hour.
When firefox is frozen, I cannot scroll it nor copy from it.
I have to wait for a good second.

Firefox does not take gnome with it.

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Re: firefox keeps freezing on me

[simmon simmon]

yeah...! 
I also had the same symptoms... it wasn't good.

 firefox-118.0.2.tar.bz2
 https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/install-firefox-linux

I manually setup fedora38 and applied it through the link process, and it seems 
to have improved, 

so I'm using it well.
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Re: firefox keeps freezing on me

[stan via users]

On Wed, 1 Nov 2023 22:12:14 -0500 (CDT)
Michael Hennebry  wrote:

> My firefox on F38 freezes a lot.
> I get "Firefox" is not responding a lot.
> At one time, I thought it was because of too many windows and tabs
> open. I closed several windows.
> Shutting it down and bringing it back up often helped,
> but not necessarily for very long.
> According to top, firefox freezes even when the load
> average is less than two, most of swap is free
> and neither firefox nor its minions are near the top of top.
> My new suspicion is that it waits for something
> that does not happen often enough.
> How do I diagnose this?

You could try the troubleshoot mode,
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/diagnose-firefox-issues-using-troubleshoot-mode
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Re: firefox keeps freezing on me

[Roger Heflin]

type this In the address bar:  about:performance
click on the memory column and sort by biggest first.
see what specific web pages are using excessive ram (usually close to
1gb or more).   click on the tab: entryh that sucks and a X will
appear on the far right, and click the X and the specific tab gets
killed..
weather.com and reddit.com are the ones that typically misbehave for me.

I think firefox needs a simple feature that basically says if any tab
uses X kill/restart it.

On Wed, Nov 1, 2023 at 10:12 PM Michael Hennebry
 wrote:
>
> My firefox on F38 freezes a lot.
> I get "Firefox" is not responding a lot.
> At one time, I thought it was because of too many windows and tabs open.
> I closed several windows.
> Shutting it down and bringing it back up often helped,
> but not necessarily for very long.
> According to top, firefox freezes even when the load
> average is less than two, most of swap is free
> and neither firefox nor its minions are near the top of top.
> My new suspicion is that it waits for something
> that does not happen often enough.
> How do I diagnose this?
>
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Re: firefox keeps freezing on me

[Joe Zeff]

On 11/02/2023 10:21 AM, Michael Hennebry wrote:

/dev/sda7    32G   23G  7.1G  76% /home


If I'm not mistaken, firefox puts its working files both in /tmp and in 
your home directory.  If so, that may be your problem.  Consider 
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Re: firefox keeps freezing on me

[richard emberson]

I had firefox continually freezing (Xorg) taking the gui with it.
I then aliased firefox to:
cpulimit -i -l 200 /usr/bin/firefox "$@"
and it stopped taking the rest of the gui with it.
Recently I (had to) switched to Wayland and firefox (with the alias) has
only crashed 3 or 4 times but it has not taken the rest of the gui with it.

On 11/2/23 01:36, Tim via users wrote:

On Wed, 2023-11-01 at 21:24 -0600, Joe Zeff wrote:

Firefox can be quite a memory hog, depending on what you're doing.  What
does

free -h

show you, as well as

df


There's an about:memory page in Firefox, an about:performance, an
about:processes and a bunch of other info listed if you type
about:about into its address bar.


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Re: firefox keeps freezing on me

[Tim via users]

On Wed, 2023-11-01 at 21:24 -0600, Joe Zeff wrote:
> Firefox can be quite a memory hog, depending on what you're doing.  What 
> does
> 
> free -h
> 
> show you, as well as
> 
> df

There's an about:memory page in Firefox, an about:performance, an
about:processes and a bunch of other info listed if you type
about:about into its address bar.

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Re: firefox keeps freezing on me

[Joe Zeff]

On 11/01/2023 09:12 PM, Michael Hennebry wrote:

My firefox on F38 freezes a lot.
I get "Firefox" is not responding a lot.


Firefox can be quite a memory hog, depending on what you're doing.  What 
does


free -h

show you, as well as

df

You might be running short of memory and/or disk space.
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firefox keeps freezing on me

[Michael Hennebry]

My firefox on F38 freezes a lot.
I get "Firefox" is not responding a lot.
At one time, I thought it was because of too many windows and tabs open.
I closed several windows.
Shutting it down and bringing it back up often helped,
but not necessarily for very long.
According to top, firefox freezes even when the load
average is less than two, most of swap is free
and neither firefox nor its minions are near the top of top.
My new suspicion is that it waits for something
that does not happen often enough.
How do I diagnose this?

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Re: After F35->F38 install, video player, firefox not behaving well

[Michael Hennebry]

On Sun, 22 Oct 2023, Stephen Morris wrote:


On 14/10/23 03:00, Michael Hennebry wrote:

Since my second to most recent post, I tried gnome with X11.
Got a useful error message: no H.264 decoder.
Now, with X11, videos can play videos.
Firefox can play videos with either wayland or X11.

I am using the Nightly upstream version of Firefox on X11 with KDE (I tend 
not to use Wayland) and I can play videos from youtube and Netflix without


Switching to X11 did the trick.
I do not have hardware acceleration,
but I can live with that.

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Re: After F35->F38 install, video player, firefox not behaving well

[Stephen Morris]

On 14/10/23 03:00, Michael Hennebry wrote:

Since my second to most recent post, I tried gnome with X11.
Got a useful error message: no H.264 decoder.
Now, with X11, videos can play videos.
Firefox can play videos with either wayland or X11.

I am using the Nightly upstream version of Firefox on X11 with KDE (I 
tend not to use Wayland) and I can play videos from youtube and Netflix 
without any issues. I did have issues playing both youtube and Netflix 
videos a while ago that were being indicated as firefox not being able 
to play protected content, which was resolved by installing the Widevine 
addon, the H264 addon is being indicated as being installed by default. 
I also have the play DRM protected content in Firefox's general settings 
turned on as well.
At the time I was having the issues playing videos in Firefox I was 
finding that Google Chrome was able to play them without any issues.
I am also using the nvidia proprietary drivers from rpmfusion as I have 
an nvidia geforce rtx 3080 graphics card. I have never had any opengl 
errors from playing videos in firefox (I've always used the nightly 
version though), although I have also always used the nvidia rpmfusion 
drivers (I've also played around with using the Fedora specific nvidia 
drivers from Negativo) as I have always used nvidia graphics cards.


regards,
Steve


I did a
sudo dnf install 'mesa-*'
It went through, but without apparent effect.

I also did a
sudo dnf install'*nvidia*', but got a whole lot of conflicting requests:
Error:
 Problem 1: package xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-470xx-3:470.199.02-1.fc38.x86_64
 from rpmfusion-nonfree-nvidia-driver conflicts with 
xorg-x11-drv-nvidia

 provided by xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-3:535.113.01-1.fc38.x86_64 from
 rpmfusion-nonfree-nvidia-driver
  - conflicting requests
 Problem 2: package nvidia-settings-470xx-3:470.199.02-1.fc38.x86_64
 from rpmfusion-nonfree-nvidia-driver conflicts with nvidia-settings
 provided by nvidia-settings-3:535.113.01-1.fc38.x86_64 from
 rpmfusion-nonfree-nvidia-driver
  - conflicting requests
 Problem 3: package 
xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-470xx-cuda-3:470.199.02-1.fc38.x86_64

 from rpmfusion-nonfree-nvidia-driver conflicts
 with xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-cuda
 provided by xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-cuda-3:535.113.01-1.fc38.x86_64
 from rpmfusion-nonfree-nvidia-driver
  - conflicting requests
Problem 4: package xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-470xx-3:470.199.02-1.fc38.x86_64
 from rpmfusion-nonfree-nvidia-driver conflicts
 with xorg-x11-drv-nvidia
 provided by xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-3:535.113.01-1.fc38.x86_64
 from rpmfusion-nonfree-nvidia-driver
  - package akmod-nvidia-470xx-3:470.199.02-3.fc38.x86_64
 from rpmfusion-nonfree-nvidia-driver
 requires nvidia-470xx-kmod-common >= 3:470.199.02,
 but none of the providers can be installed
  - package akmod-nvidia-3:535.113.01-1.fc38.x86_64
 from rpmfusion-nonfree-nvidia-driver
 requires nvidia-kmod-common >= 3:535.113.01,
 but none of the providers can be installed
  - conflicting requests
Problem 5: package xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-470xx-3:470.199.02-1.fc38.x86_64
 from rpmfusion-nonfree-nvidia-driver conflicts
 with xorg-x11-drv-nvidia
 provided by xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-3:535.113.01-1.fc38.x86_64
 from rpmfusion-nonfree-nvidia-driver
  - package xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-470xx-power-3:470.199.02-1.fc38.x86_64
 from rpmfusion-nonfree-nvidia-driver
 requires xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-470xx(x86-64) = 3:470.199.02,
 but none of the providers can be installed
  - package nvidia-xconfig-3:535.113.01-1.fc38.x86_64
 from rpmfusion-nonfree-nvidia-driver
 requires xorg-x11-drv-nvidia >= 3:535.113.01,
 but none of the providers can be installed
  - conflicting requests
Problem 6: package xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-470xx-3:470.199.02-1.fc38.x86_64
 from rpmfusion-nonfree-nvidia-driver conflicts
 with xorg-x11-drv-nvidia
 provided by xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-3:535.113.01-1.fc38.x86_64
 from rpmfusion-nonfree-nvidia-driver
  - package akmod-nvidia-470xx-3:470.199.02-3.fc38.x86_64
 from rpmfusion-nonfree-nvidia-driver
 requires nvidia-470xx-kmod-common >= 3:470.199.02,
 but none of the providers can be installed
  - package xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-power-3:535.113.01-1.fc38.x86_64
 from rpmfusion-nonfree-nvidia-driver
 requires xorg-x11-drv-nvidia(x86-64) = 3:535.113.01,
 but none of the providers can be installed
  - package kmod-nvidia-470xx-3:470.199.02-3.fc38.x86_64
 from rpmfusion-nonfree-nvidia-driver
 requires akmod-nvidia-470xx = 3:470.199.02-3.fc38,
 but none of the providers can be installed
  - conflicting requests

I added some line breaks for legibility.

On Thu, 12 Oct 2023, Roger Heflin wrote:


mesa is what provides opengl.

Best guess is:
mesa-dri-drivers, mesa-vdpau-drivers and mesa-va-drivers-freeworld
that have video drivers, but also some other mesa pieces that provide
opengl may need to be install (or installi

Re: After F35->F38 install, video player, firefox not behaving well

[Roger Heflin]

No point in installing nvidia if you don't have nvidia graphics hardware.

The VGA chip from the lspci you included is from a really old machine,
so I would be shocked if anything performed very good.

All video and opengl is going to be software with a device that old.

On Fri, Oct 13, 2023 at 11:01 AM Michael Hennebry
 wrote:
>
> Since my second to most recent post, I tried gnome with X11.
> Got a useful error message: no H.264 decoder.
> Now, with X11, videos can play videos.
> Firefox can play videos with either wayland or X11.
>
> I did a
> sudo dnf install 'mesa-*'
> It went through, but without apparent effect.
>
> I also did a
> sudo dnf install'*nvidia*', but got a whole lot of conflicting requests:
> Error:
>   Problem 1: package xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-470xx-3:470.199.02-1.fc38.x86_64
>   from rpmfusion-nonfree-nvidia-driver conflicts with xorg-x11-drv-nvidia
>   provided by xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-3:535.113.01-1.fc38.x86_64 from
>   rpmfusion-nonfree-nvidia-driver
>- conflicting requests
>   Problem 2: package nvidia-settings-470xx-3:470.199.02-1.fc38.x86_64
>   from rpmfusion-nonfree-nvidia-driver conflicts with nvidia-settings
>   provided by nvidia-settings-3:535.113.01-1.fc38.x86_64 from
>   rpmfusion-nonfree-nvidia-driver
>- conflicting requests
>   Problem 3: package xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-470xx-cuda-3:470.199.02-1.fc38.x86_64
>   from rpmfusion-nonfree-nvidia-driver conflicts
>   with xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-cuda
>   provided by xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-cuda-3:535.113.01-1.fc38.x86_64
>   from rpmfusion-nonfree-nvidia-driver
>- conflicting requests
> Problem 4: package xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-470xx-3:470.199.02-1.fc38.x86_64
>   from rpmfusion-nonfree-nvidia-driver conflicts
>   with xorg-x11-drv-nvidia
>   provided by xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-3:535.113.01-1.fc38.x86_64
>   from rpmfusion-nonfree-nvidia-driver
>- package akmod-nvidia-470xx-3:470.199.02-3.fc38.x86_64
>   from rpmfusion-nonfree-nvidia-driver
>   requires nvidia-470xx-kmod-common >= 3:470.199.02,
>   but none of the providers can be installed
>- package akmod-nvidia-3:535.113.01-1.fc38.x86_64
>   from rpmfusion-nonfree-nvidia-driver
>   requires nvidia-kmod-common >= 3:535.113.01,
>   but none of the providers can be installed
>- conflicting requests
> Problem 5: package xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-470xx-3:470.199.02-1.fc38.x86_64
>   from rpmfusion-nonfree-nvidia-driver conflicts
>   with xorg-x11-drv-nvidia
>   provided by xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-3:535.113.01-1.fc38.x86_64
>   from rpmfusion-nonfree-nvidia-driver
>- package xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-470xx-power-3:470.199.02-1.fc38.x86_64
>   from rpmfusion-nonfree-nvidia-driver
>   requires xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-470xx(x86-64) = 3:470.199.02,
>   but none of the providers can be installed
>- package nvidia-xconfig-3:535.113.01-1.fc38.x86_64
>   from rpmfusion-nonfree-nvidia-driver
>   requires xorg-x11-drv-nvidia >= 3:535.113.01,
>   but none of the providers can be installed
>- conflicting requests
> Problem 6: package xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-470xx-3:470.199.02-1.fc38.x86_64
>   from rpmfusion-nonfree-nvidia-driver conflicts
>   with xorg-x11-drv-nvidia
>   provided by xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-3:535.113.01-1.fc38.x86_64
>   from rpmfusion-nonfree-nvidia-driver
>- package akmod-nvidia-470xx-3:470.199.02-3.fc38.x86_64
>   from rpmfusion-nonfree-nvidia-driver
>   requires nvidia-470xx-kmod-common >= 3:470.199.02,
>   but none of the providers can be installed
>- package xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-power-3:535.113.01-1.fc38.x86_64
>   from rpmfusion-nonfree-nvidia-driver
>   requires xorg-x11-drv-nvidia(x86-64) = 3:535.113.01,
>   but none of the providers can be installed
>- package kmod-nvidia-470xx-3:470.199.02-3.fc38.x86_64
>   from rpmfusion-nonfree-nvidia-driver
>   requires akmod-nvidia-470xx = 3:470.199.02-3.fc38,
>   but none of the providers can be installed
>- conflicting requests
>
> I added some line breaks for legibility.
>
> On Thu, 12 Oct 2023, Roger Heflin wrote:
>
> > mesa is what provides opengl.
> >
> > Best guess is:
> > mesa-dri-drivers, mesa-vdpau-drivers and mesa-va-drivers-freeworld
> > that have video drivers, but also some other mesa pieces that provide
> > opengl may need to be install (or installing the above may install
> > those extra pieces).
>
> I have
> mesa-dri-drivers.x86_64 23.1.8-1.fc38
> mesa-vdpau-drivers.x86_64   23.1.8-1.fc38
> mesa-va-drivers.x86_64  23.1.8-1.fc38
> and lots of others.
>
> > glxgear

Re: After F35->F38 install, video player, firefox not behaving well

[Michael Hennebry]

Since my second to most recent post, I tried gnome with X11.
Got a useful error message: no H.264 decoder.
Now, with X11, videos can play videos.
Firefox can play videos with either wayland or X11.

I did a
sudo dnf install 'mesa-*'
It went through, but without apparent effect.

I also did a
sudo dnf install'*nvidia*', but got a whole lot of conflicting requests:
Error:
 Problem 1: package xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-470xx-3:470.199.02-1.fc38.x86_64
 from rpmfusion-nonfree-nvidia-driver conflicts with xorg-x11-drv-nvidia
 provided by xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-3:535.113.01-1.fc38.x86_64 from
 rpmfusion-nonfree-nvidia-driver
  - conflicting requests
 Problem 2: package nvidia-settings-470xx-3:470.199.02-1.fc38.x86_64
 from rpmfusion-nonfree-nvidia-driver conflicts with nvidia-settings
 provided by nvidia-settings-3:535.113.01-1.fc38.x86_64 from
 rpmfusion-nonfree-nvidia-driver
  - conflicting requests
 Problem 3: package xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-470xx-cuda-3:470.199.02-1.fc38.x86_64
 from rpmfusion-nonfree-nvidia-driver conflicts
 with xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-cuda
 provided by xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-cuda-3:535.113.01-1.fc38.x86_64
 from rpmfusion-nonfree-nvidia-driver
  - conflicting requests
Problem 4: package xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-470xx-3:470.199.02-1.fc38.x86_64
 from rpmfusion-nonfree-nvidia-driver conflicts
 with xorg-x11-drv-nvidia
 provided by xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-3:535.113.01-1.fc38.x86_64
 from rpmfusion-nonfree-nvidia-driver
  - package akmod-nvidia-470xx-3:470.199.02-3.fc38.x86_64
 from rpmfusion-nonfree-nvidia-driver
 requires nvidia-470xx-kmod-common >= 3:470.199.02,
 but none of the providers can be installed
  - package akmod-nvidia-3:535.113.01-1.fc38.x86_64
 from rpmfusion-nonfree-nvidia-driver
 requires nvidia-kmod-common >= 3:535.113.01,
 but none of the providers can be installed
  - conflicting requests
Problem 5: package xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-470xx-3:470.199.02-1.fc38.x86_64
 from rpmfusion-nonfree-nvidia-driver conflicts
 with xorg-x11-drv-nvidia
 provided by xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-3:535.113.01-1.fc38.x86_64
 from rpmfusion-nonfree-nvidia-driver
  - package xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-470xx-power-3:470.199.02-1.fc38.x86_64
 from rpmfusion-nonfree-nvidia-driver
 requires xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-470xx(x86-64) = 3:470.199.02,
 but none of the providers can be installed
  - package nvidia-xconfig-3:535.113.01-1.fc38.x86_64
 from rpmfusion-nonfree-nvidia-driver
 requires xorg-x11-drv-nvidia >= 3:535.113.01,
 but none of the providers can be installed
  - conflicting requests
Problem 6: package xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-470xx-3:470.199.02-1.fc38.x86_64
 from rpmfusion-nonfree-nvidia-driver conflicts
 with xorg-x11-drv-nvidia
 provided by xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-3:535.113.01-1.fc38.x86_64
 from rpmfusion-nonfree-nvidia-driver
  - package akmod-nvidia-470xx-3:470.199.02-3.fc38.x86_64
 from rpmfusion-nonfree-nvidia-driver
 requires nvidia-470xx-kmod-common >= 3:470.199.02,
 but none of the providers can be installed
  - package xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-power-3:535.113.01-1.fc38.x86_64
 from rpmfusion-nonfree-nvidia-driver
 requires xorg-x11-drv-nvidia(x86-64) = 3:535.113.01,
 but none of the providers can be installed
  - package kmod-nvidia-470xx-3:470.199.02-3.fc38.x86_64
 from rpmfusion-nonfree-nvidia-driver
 requires akmod-nvidia-470xx = 3:470.199.02-3.fc38,
 but none of the providers can be installed
  - conflicting requests

I added some line breaks for legibility.

On Thu, 12 Oct 2023, Roger Heflin wrote:


mesa is what provides opengl.

Best guess is:
mesa-dri-drivers, mesa-vdpau-drivers and mesa-va-drivers-freeworld
that have video drivers, but also some other mesa pieces that provide
opengl may need to be install (or installing the above may install
those extra pieces).


I have
mesa-dri-drivers.x86_64 23.1.8-1.fc38
mesa-vdpau-drivers.x86_64   23.1.8-1.fc38
mesa-va-drivers.x86_64  23.1.8-1.fc38
and lots of others.


glxgears and glxinfo will tell you the opengl install state.


glxgears will run on bot X11 and wayland.
On wayland I have
[hennebry@2001-48F8-3004-2CE-0-0-0-2723-dynamic ~]$  glxgears -info
GL_RENDERER   = llvmpipe (LLVM 16.0.6, 128 bits)
GL_VERSION= 4.5 (Compatibility Profile) Mesa 23.1.8
GL_VENDOR = Mesa
The claimed frame rate is over 700.

On X11, the renderer is i915 (chipset Q33) and the
claimed frame rate just under 60.

On both glxinfo claims 390 GLX Visuals and 840 GLXFBConfigs,
all of which have None or Slow as a caveat.

i915 reminds me:
My monitor's native resolution is 1440x900.
After installing F35, 'twas a mighty struggle
to get anything other than 640x480.
I do not recall details of the battle.


On Thu, Oct 12, 2023 at 9:17?AM Michael Hennebry
 wrote:


Can anyone play videos on F38?
If so, how did you do it?

Firefox in uncommunicative when it will not play a video.

Re: After F35->F38 install, video player, firefox not behaving well

[Michael Hennebry]

Since my previous post, I tried gnome with X11.
This time I got a useful message: no H.264 decoder.
I installed the decoder.
Videos will play videos on both wayland and X11.
Firefox only on X11.

On Thu, 12 Oct 2023, Roger Heflin wrote:


mesa is what provides opengl.

Best guess is:
mesa-dri-drivers, mesa-vdpau-drivers and mesa-va-drivers-freeworld
that have video drivers, but also some other mesa pieces that provide
opengl may need to be install (or installing the above may install
those extra pieces).

glxgears and glxinfo will tell you the opengl install state.


This is the mesa stuff I have installed:
$ sudo dnf list installed 'mesa-*'
[sudo] password for hennebry: 
Installed Packages

mesa-dri-drivers.x86_64   23.1.8-1.fc38 @updates
mesa-filesystem.x86_6423.1.8-1.fc38 @updates
mesa-libEGL.x86_6423.1.8-1.fc38 @updates
mesa-libGL.x86_64 23.1.8-1.fc38 @updates
mesa-libgbm.x86_6423.1.8-1.fc38 @updates
mesa-libglapi.x86_64  23.1.8-1.fc38 @updates
mesa-libxatracker.x86_64  23.1.8-1.fc38 @updates
mesa-va-drivers.x86_6423.1.8-1.fc38 @updates
mesa-vulkan-drivers.x86_6423.1.8-1.fc38 @updates
$ gvim
I note no vdpau.
From lspci:
00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82Q33 Express Integrated 
Graphics Controller (rev 02)
Should I install vdpau?
I'm not sure whether vdpau works with Intel graphics.
glxinfo shows lots of visuals, all with None or Slow in the last column.
Should I sudo dnf install 'mesa-*' ?


On Thu, Oct 12, 2023 at 9:17?AM Michael Hennebry
 wrote:


Can anyone play videos on F38?
If so, how did you do it?

Firefox in uncommunicative when it will not play a video.
Videos says "cannot initialise OpenGL support".


I'm late for supper.

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Re: After F35->F38 install, video player, firefox not behaving well

[Roger Heflin]

mesa is what provides opengl.

Best guess is:
mesa-dri-drivers, mesa-vdpau-drivers and mesa-va-drivers-freeworld
that have video drivers, but also some other mesa pieces that provide
opengl may need to be install (or installing the above may install
those extra pieces).

glxgears and glxinfo will tell you the opengl install state.

On Thu, Oct 12, 2023 at 9:17 AM Michael Hennebry
 wrote:
>
> Can anyone play videos on F38?
> If so, how did you do it?
>
> Firefox in uncommunicative when it will not play a video.
> Videos says "cannot initialise OpenGL support".
>
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Re: After F35->F38 install, video player, firefox not behaving well

[stan via users]

On Thu, 12 Oct 2023 09:16:41 -0500 (CDT)
Michael Hennebry  wrote:

> Can anyone play videos on F38?
> If so, how did you do it?
> 
> Firefox in uncommunicative when it will not play a video.
> Videos says "cannot initialise OpenGL support".
 
Found this possibility for firefox online.
Advice:
You can check the Graphics section on the about:support (Help ->
Troubleshooting Information) page.
Response:
In about:support, in the graphics section under WebGL 1 Driver Renderer
it says:

WebGL creation failed: 

Refused to create native OpenGL context because of blacklist entry:
FEATURE_FAILURE_OLD_NVIDIA Exhausted GL driver options. 

Are you using nvidia graphics drivers?  Have you installed the
latest nvidia drivers from rpmfusion?  This is all supposed to work
right out of the box, but when I look online, I find that this error
occurs due to lots of reasons. Here is a quote,

"OpenGL errors can be caused by a variety of reasons including corrupt
OS files, outdated drivers, poorly developed apps, incorrect system
configurations, and more."

I'm focusing on the outdated drivers because the only other reasonable
cause would be incorrect system configuration, and that is a bear to
diagnose via email.  If it was OS problems or apps, you would not be
the only one experiencing this.  It is something about your system that
is causing this, drivers or configuration.
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Re: After F35->F38 install, video player, firefox not behaving well

[Michael Hennebry]

Can anyone play videos on F38?
If so, how did you do it?

Firefox in uncommunicative when it will not play a video.
Videos says "cannot initialise OpenGL support".

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Re: After F35->F38 install, video player, firefox not behaving well

[Michael Hennebry]

On Mon, 9 Oct 2023, Michael Hennebry wrote:


On Sat, 7 Oct 2023, Joe Zeff wrote:


On 10/07/2023 12:23 PM, Michael Hennebry wrote:


When I try to play a .avi file,
Videos claims "Could not initialise OpenGL support".
dnf was not a help.
How do I get videos to work?


Do you have rpmfusion installed?  If not, you'll find instructions for 
installing/configuring both the free and non-free repos here: 
https://rpmfusion.org/Configuration


I do now.  Didn't help.
Same error message.  Still cannot find opengl.
codec did not work either.


As suggested here
https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/quick-docs/installing-plugins-for-playing-movies-and-music/
 ,
I installed gstreamer and lame stuff.
Trying to do the group upgrade resulted
in complaints about conflicting packages.
Videso still gives me "cannot initialize OpenGL support"
when I try to play any video.

Any ideas?

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Re: After F35->F38 install, video player, firefox not behaving well

[Michael Hennebry]

On Sat, 7 Oct 2023, Michael Hennebry wrote:


As noted in another thread, I recently installed F38,
retaining my /home partition.



Firefox is also unpleasantly interesting.
Firefox was and is set to restore on startup.
There were a lot of pages to restore.
They all came up with a single blank tab.
Do I need to start from scratch?


After a dnf update, that tabs all came back.
Do not know why.

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Re: After F35->F38 install, video player, firefox not behaving well

[Michael Hennebry]

On Sat, 7 Oct 2023, Joe Zeff wrote:


On 10/07/2023 12:23 PM, Michael Hennebry wrote:


When I try to play a .avi file,
Videos claims "Could not initialise OpenGL support".
dnf was not a help.
How do I get videos to work?


Do you have rpmfusion installed?  If not, you'll find instructions for 
installing/configuring both the free and non-free repos here: 
https://rpmfusion.org/Configuration


I do now.  Didn't help.
Same error message.  Still cannot find opengl.
codec did not work either.

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Re: Firefox crashes when started from the panel

[Alexey Rochev]

I have the same issue after updating today. This is what appears in system log:

Oct 07 23:38:00 localhost.localdomain plasmashell[3571]: dbus[3571]: arguments 
to dbus_message_new_method_call() were incorrect, assertion "destination == 
NULL || _dbus_check_is_valid_bus_name (destination)" failed in file 
../../dbus/dbus-message.c lin>
Oct 07 23:38:00 localhost.localdomain plasmashell[3571]: This is normally a bug 
in some application using the D-Bus library.
Oct 07 23:38:00 localhost.localdomain plasmashell[3571]:   D-Bus not built with 
-rdynamic so unable to print a backtrace
Oct 07 23:38:00 localhost.localdomain plasmashell[3571]: KCrash: Application 
'plasmashell' crashing...
Oct 07 23:38:00 localhost.localdomain plasmashell[3571]: KCrash: Attempting to 
start /usr/libexec/drkonqi
Oct 07 23:38:01 localhost.localdomain systemd[1766]: 
plasma-plasmashell.service: Main process exited, code=exited, status=253/n/a
Oct 07 23:38:01 localhost.localdomain systemd[1766]: 
plasma-plasmashell.service: Failed with result 'exit-code'.
Oct 07 23:38:01 localhost.localdomain systemd[1766]: 
plasma-plasmashell.service: Consumed 3.136s CPU time.
Oct 07 23:38:01 localhost.localdomain systemd[1766]: 
plasma-plasmashell.service: Scheduled restart job, restart counter is at 5.
Oct 07 23:38:01 localhost.localdomain systemd[1766]: Stopped 
plasma-plasmashell.service - KDE Plasma Workspace.
Oct 07 23:38:01 localhost.localdomain systemd[1766]: 
plasma-plasmashell.service: Consumed 3.136s CPU time.
Oct 07 23:38:01 localhost.localdomain systemd[1766]: Starting 
plasma-plasmashell.service - KDE Plasma Workspace...
Oct 07 23:38:02 localhost.localdomain systemd[1766]: Started 
plasma-plasmashell.service - KDE Plasma Workspace.
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Re: After F35->F38 install, video player, firefox not behaving well

[stan via users]

On Sat, 7 Oct 2023 13:23:02 -0500 (CDT)
Michael Hennebry  wrote:

> As noted in another thread, I recently installed F38,
> retaining my /home partition.
> 
> When I try to play a .avi file,
> Videos claims "Could not initialise OpenGL support".
> dnf was not a help.
> How do I get videos to work?

Did you install patent restricted packages from rpmfusion.org?  I
think avi is patent encumbered, so can't be included in fedora.

> Firefox is also unpleasantly interesting.
> Firefox was and is set to restore on startup.
> There were a lot of pages to restore.
> They all came up with a single blank tab.
> Do I need to start from scratch?

Is your old profile for firefox present in .mozilla in your home
directory?  It should be if you didn't change home.  If your old
firefox profile in .mozilla is gone, your tabs are gone.  If you have a
backup, you might be able to copy the profile over and restore them.
It doesn't sound like the profile is gone, since firefox tried to open
the tabs, but wasn't successful.  If they were really gone, I don't
think there would even be blank tabs opening.  Firefox is aware of
them, but for some reason can't reach the web to instantiate them. Is
it possible that your dns lookup isn't working?

If the old profile is there in .mozilla and you keep history (deleting
history on close isn't turned on in settings), you have a couple of
alternatives.

If they aren't older, you can just use history->'recently closed tabs'
to click on them and they will open in new tabs

If they are older, you can go to history->'show all history' and see
all the tabs you previously had open by date.  This isn't as convenient
because you will have to alt-tab to open a new tab, Ctrl-t, in the
browser, then alt-tab to the history window to select a url to open
and hit enter. The history item you have selected will then open in the
new tab in your browser. Rinse and repeat. There might be a better way
to do that from 'show all history', one that works more like 'recently
closed tabs', but I'm not aware of it if there is.  Probably a setting
in about:config, if it exists.
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Re: After F35->F38 install, video player, firefox not behaving well

[Joe Zeff]

On 10/07/2023 12:23 PM, Michael Hennebry wrote:


When I try to play a .avi file,
Videos claims "Could not initialise OpenGL support".
dnf was not a help.
How do I get videos to work?


Do you have rpmfusion installed?  If not, you'll find instructions for 
installing/configuring both the free and non-free repos here: 
https://rpmfusion.org/Configuration

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Re: After F35->F38 install, video player, firefox not behaving well

[Michael Hennebry]

On Sat, 7 Oct 2023, Mike Wright wrote:


On 10/7/23 11:23, Michael Hennebry wrote:



Firefox is also unpleasantly interesting.
Firefox was and is set to restore on startup.
There were a lot of pages to restore.
They all came up with a single blank tab.
Do I need to start from scratch?



Have you tried Ctrl-Shift-T ?  For me that sometimes opens a previous window 
with all its previous tabs intact; some windows I have to hover over and hit 
multiple ^Shft-T to restore the tabs in that window. Popups that I've moved 
off window come back as whole windows.  Those I manually restore.


Just did.  No response.
My suspicion is that there has been a file format change
and that firefox can count windows, but that is all.

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Re: After F35->F38 install, video player, firefox not behaving well

[Mike Wright]

On 10/7/23 11:23, Michael Hennebry wrote:

As noted in another thread, I recently installed F38,
retaining my /home partition.

When I try to play a .avi file,
Videos claims "Could not initialise OpenGL support".
dnf was not a help.
How do I get videos to work?

Firefox is also unpleasantly interesting.
Firefox was and is set to restore on startup.
There were a lot of pages to restore.
They all came up with a single blank tab.
Do I need to start from scratch?



Have you tried Ctrl-Shift-T ?  For me that sometimes opens a previous 
window with all its previous tabs intact; some windows I have to hover 
over and hit multiple ^Shft-T to restore the tabs in that window. 
Popups that I've moved off window come back as whole windows.  Those I 
manually restore.

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After F35->F38 install, video player, firefox not behaving well

[Michael Hennebry]

As noted in another thread, I recently installed F38,
retaining my /home partition.

When I try to play a .avi file,
Videos claims "Could not initialise OpenGL support".
dnf was not a help.
How do I get videos to work?

Firefox is also unpleasantly interesting.
Firefox was and is set to restore on startup.
There were a lot of pages to restore.
They all came up with a single blank tab.
Do I need to start from scratch?

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Re: Firefox crashes when started from the panel

[Jonathan Ryshpan]

On Sat, 2023-10-07 at 15:47 +, Alex Gurenko via users wrote:
> There is been a lot of discussion already that resulted in several BZs
> [0][1] opened and worked on. Generally caused by relatively recent
> change [2].

So a fix ls likely to appear soon.

I thought it would be interesting to see what happens when Firefox is
invoked. There is nothing promising in the Firefox box on the panel and
the only promising entry in the Firefox entry in the Application
Launcher is in the drop down box in 
   Application Launcher->Internet->Firefox->(Right Click)
This is "Open the Profile Manager", so I invoked this. Result another
similar crash. A log is attached; perhaps someone will find it useful.

It seems odd to me that there is no easy way to see what is supposed to
happen when a desktop item is invoked in a particular way. I would think
an entry for a Right-Click on any such item should be something like
"System Action" or whatever.


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 1. Don't tell people everything you know.
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Oct 07 09:26:00 amito plasmashell[20610]: dbus[20610]: arguments to 
dbus_message_new_method_call() were incorrect, assertion "destination == NULL 
|| _dbus_check_is_valid_bus_name (destination)" failed in file 
../../dbus/dbus-message.c line 1375.
Oct 07 09:26:00 amito plasmashell[20610]: This is normally a bug in some 
application using the D-Bus library.
Oct 07 09:26:00 amito plasmashell[20610]:   D-Bus not built with -rdynamic so 
unable to print a backtrace
Oct 07 09:26:00 amito plasmashell[20610]: KCrash: Application 'plasmashell' 
crashing...
Oct 07 09:26:00 amito plasmashell[20610]: KCrash: Attempting to start 
/usr/libexec/drkonqi
Oct 07 09:26:01 amito systemd[1455]: plasma-plasmashell.service: Main process 
exited, code=exited, status=253/n/a
Oct 07 09:26:01 amito systemd[1455]: plasma-plasmashell.service: Failed with 
result 'exit-code'.
Oct 07 09:26:01 amito systemd[1455]: plasma-plasmashell.service: Consumed 
10.000s CPU time.
Oct 07 09:26:02 amito systemd[1455]: plasma-plasmashell.service: Scheduled 
restart job, restart counter is at 9.
Oct 07 09:26:02 amito systemd[1455]: Stopped plasma-plasmashell.service - KDE 
Plasma Workspace.
Oct 07 09:26:02 amito systemd[1455]: plasma-plasmashell.service: Consumed 
10.000s CPU time.
Oct 07 09:26:02 amito systemd[1455]: Starting plasma-plasmashell.service - KDE 
Plasma Workspace...
Oct 07 09:26:02 amito systemd[1455]: Started plasma-plasmashell.service - KDE 
Plasma Workspace.
Oct 07 09:26:02 amito plasmashell[20732]: kf.plasma.quick: Applet preload 
policy set to 1
Oct 07 09:26:02 amito systemd[1455]: Starting plasma-ksystemstats.service - 
Track hardware statistics...
Oct 07 09:26:02 amito audit: BPF prog-id=130 op=LOAD
Oct 07 09:26:02 amito audit: BPF prog-id=131 op=LOAD
Oct 07 09:26:02 amito audit: BPF prog-id=132 op=LOAD
Oct 07 09:26:02 amito systemd[1]: Starting systemd-hostnamed.service - Hostname 
Service...
Oct 07 09:26:03 amito NetworkManager[1257]:   [1696695963.0090] audit: 
op="statistics" interface="enp3s0" ifindex=2 args="500" pid=20744 uid=1000 
result="success"
Oct 07 09:26:03 amito ksystemstats[20744]: kf.i18n: KLocalizedString: Using an 
empty domain, fix the code. msgid: "Temperature %1" msgid_plural: "" msgctxt: 
"@title %1 is a number"
Oct 07 09:26:03 amito ksystemstats[20744]: kf.i18n: KLocalizedString: Using an 
empty domain, fix the code. msgid: "Temperature %1" msgid_plural: "" msgctxt: 
"@title %1 is a number"
Oct 07 09:26:03 amito systemd[1455]: Started plasma-ksystemstats.service - 
Track hardware statistics.
Oct 07 09:26:03 amito systemd[1]: Started systemd-hostnamed.service - Hostname 
Service.
Oct 07 09:26:03 amito audit[1]: SERVICE_START pid=1 uid=0 auid=4294967295 
ses=4294967295 subj=system_u:system_r:init_t:s0 msg='unit=systemd-hostnamed 
comm="systemd" exe="/usr/lib/systemd/systemd" hostname=? addr=? terminal=? 
res=success'
Oct 07 09:26:03 amito plasmashell[20732]: 
file:///usr/lib64/qt5/qml/org/kde/kirigami.2/templates/InlineMessage.qml:265:13:
 QML SelectableLabel: Binding loop detected for property "implicitWidth"
Oct 07 09:26:04 amito systemd[1455]: Started 
dbus-:1.2-org.kde.KSplash@8.service.
Oct 07 09:26:04 amito kioslave5[20766]: QObject::connect: No such slot 
DesktopProtocol::_k_slotRedirection(KIO::Job *, QUrl)
Oct 07 09:26:04 amito plasmashell[20732]: 
file:///usr/share/plasma/plasmoids/org.kde.plasma.systemmonitor/contents/ui/main.qml:43:5:
 QML MouseArea: Cannot anchor to an item that isn't a parent or sibling.
Oct 07 09:26:05 amito plasmashell[20732]: Trying to use rootObject before 
initialization is completed, whilst using setInitializationDelayed. Forcing 
completion
Oct 07 09:26:05 amito plasmashell[20732]: 
file:///usr/share/plasma/plasmoids/org.kde.plasma.system

Re: Firefox crashes when started from the panel

[Alex Gurenko via users]

There is been a lot of discussion already that resulted in several BZs [0][1] 
opened and worked on. Generally caused by relatively recent change [2].

Quick workaround is to comment out or remove this line:

`DBusActivatable=true`

from

`/usr/share/applications/firefox.desktop`

I hope that helps.

[0] https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=475266
[1] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2242454
[2] 
https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/firefox/c/85de885472621621af497b204a2f45f7122e8a23?branch=rawhide

---
Best regards, Alex


--- Original Message ---
On Saturday, October 7th, 2023 at 17:41, stan via users 
 wrote:


> On Sat, 07 Oct 2023 03:44:56 -0700
> Jonathan Ryshpan jonr...@pacbell.net wrote:
> 
> > After the latest upgrade to Fedora, when Firefox is started from the
> > panel, the screen goes dark, and then refreshes itself; Firefox does
> > not start. Firefox appears to start perfectly when run from the
> > console or from the application launcher. I have attached a fragment
> > of the system log showing activity immediately before and after
> > Firefox was started (Journal.txt)
> > 
> > Any ideas how to investigate.
> > 
> > Application info:
> > firefox-118.0.1-4.fc38.x86_64
> > System info:
> > Operating System: Fedora Linux 38
> > KDE Plasma Version: 5.27.8
> > KDE Frameworks Version: 5.110.0
> > Qt Version: 5.15.10
> > Kernel Version: 6.5.5-200.fc38.x86_64 (64-bit)
> > Graphics Platform: X11
> > Processors: 8 × Intel® Core™ i7-4790K CPU @ 4.00GHz
> > Memory: 15.5 GiB of RAM
> > Graphics Processor: Mesa Intel® HD Graphics 4600
> > Manufacturer: ASUS
> 
> 
> It sounds like there isn't a problem with firefox, per se. If it
> starts fine with two out of three methods, it is the invocation that is
> causing the problem. I'm not sure what starting from the panel is, but
> can you get to the actual command being run when you do that? Then
> compare it to what you run from the console or application launcher.
> Can you alter the panel version to run with firefox --safe-mode, so
> that it starts without any add-ons. Maybe try with a different user;
> create a new user [1] and start firefox from the panel with that new
> user and a pristine /home directory. Success with the new user will
> indicate that there is something in your /home directory
> configuration that is causing the problem. Failure, a KDE panel
> problem, and probably time for a bugzilla.
> 
> 1. See man useradd for how to add a new user. You should be able to
> switch to that new user from the greeter.
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Re: Firefox crashes when started from the panel

[stan via users]

On Sat, 07 Oct 2023 03:44:56 -0700
Jonathan Ryshpan  wrote:

> After the latest upgrade to Fedora, when Firefox is started from the
> panel, the screen goes dark, and then refreshes itself; Firefox does
> not start. Firefox appears to start perfectly when run from the
> console or from the application launcher. I have attached a fragment
> of the system log showing activity immediately before and after
> Firefox was started (Journal.txt)
> 
> Any ideas how to investigate.
> 
> Application info:
>firefox-118.0.1-4.fc38.x86_64
> System info:
>Operating System: Fedora Linux 38
>KDE Plasma Version: 5.27.8
>KDE Frameworks Version: 5.110.0
>Qt Version: 5.15.10
>Kernel Version: 6.5.5-200.fc38.x86_64 (64-bit)
>Graphics Platform: X11
>Processors: 8 × Intel® Core™ i7-4790K CPU @ 4.00GHz
>Memory: 15.5 GiB of RAM
>Graphics Processor: Mesa Intel® HD Graphics 4600
>Manufacturer: ASUS

It sounds like there isn't a problem with firefox, per se.  If it
starts fine with two out of three methods, it is the invocation that is
causing the problem.  I'm not sure what starting from the panel is, but
can you get to the actual command being run when you do that?  Then
compare it to what you run from the console or application launcher.
Can you alter the panel version to run with firefox --safe-mode, so
that it starts without any add-ons.  Maybe try with a different user;
create a new user [1] and start firefox from the panel with that new
user and a pristine /home directory.  Success with the new user will
indicate that there is something in your /home directory
configuration that is causing the problem.  Failure, a KDE panel
problem, and probably time for a bugzilla.

1. See  man useradd  for how to add a new user.  You should be able to
switch to that new user from the greeter.
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Firefox crashes when started from the panel

[Jonathan Ryshpan]

After the latest upgrade to Fedora, when Firefox is started from the
panel, the screen goes dark, and then refreshes itself; Firefox does not
start. Firefox appears to start perfectly when run from the console or
from the application launcher. I have attached a fragment of the system
log showing activity immediately before and after Firefox was started
(Journal.txt)

Any ideas how to investigate.

Application info:
   firefox-118.0.1-4.fc38.x86_64
System info:
   Operating System: Fedora Linux 38
   KDE Plasma Version: 5.27.8
   KDE Frameworks Version: 5.110.0
   Qt Version: 5.15.10
   Kernel Version: 6.5.5-200.fc38.x86_64 (64-bit)
   Graphics Platform: X11
   Processors: 8 × Intel® Core™ i7-4790K CPU @ 4.00GHz
   Memory: 15.5 GiB of RAM
   Graphics Processor: Mesa Intel® HD Graphics 4600
   Manufacturer: ASUS

-- 
Sincerely Jonathan Ryshpan 

 Those who have put out the eyes of the people
 reproach them for their blindness. -- Milton
[jonrysh@amito ~]$ journalctl --follow
Oct 07 03:27:32 amito kinfocenter[11042]: 
file:///usr/lib64/qt5/qml/org/kde/kirigami.2/ScrollablePage.qml:200:9: QML 
MouseArea: Binding loop detected for property "width"
Oct 07 03:27:32 amito kinfocenter[11042]: 
file:///usr/lib64/qt5/qml/org/kde/kirigami.2/ScrollablePage.qml:200:9: QML 
MouseArea: Binding loop detected for property "width"
Oct 07 03:27:33 amito kinfocenter[11042]: QQmlEngine::setContextForObject(): 
Object already has a QQmlContext
Oct 07 03:27:33 amito kinfocenter[11042]: 
file:///usr/lib64/qt5/qml/org/kde/kirigami.2/ScrollablePage.qml:200:9: QML 
MouseArea: Binding loop detected for property "implicitHeight"
Oct 07 03:27:33 amito kinfocenter[11042]: 
file:///usr/lib64/qt5/qml/org/kde/kirigami.2/ScrollablePage.qml:200:9: QML 
MouseArea: Binding loop detected for property "implicitHeight"
Oct 07 03:27:33 amito systemd[1]: Created slice 
system-dbus\x2d:1.13\x2dorg.kde.kinfocenter.dmidecode.slice - Slice 
/system/dbus-:1.13-org.kde.kinfocenter.dmidecode.
Oct 07 03:27:33 amito audit[1]: SERVICE_START pid=1 uid=0 auid=4294967295 
ses=4294967295 subj=system_u:system_r:init_t:s0 
msg='unit=dbus-:1.13-org.kde.kinfocenter.dmidecode@0 comm="systemd" 
exe="/usr/lib/systemd/systemd" hostname=? addr=? terminal=? res=success'
Oct 07 03:27:33 amito systemd[1]: Started 
dbus-:1.13-org.kde.kinfocenter.dmidecode@0.service.
Oct 07 03:27:43 amito systemd[1]: 
dbus-:1.13-org.kde.kinfocenter.dmidecode@0.service: Deactivated successfully.
Oct 07 03:27:43 amito audit[1]: SERVICE_STOP pid=1 uid=0 auid=4294967295 
ses=4294967295 subj=system_u:system_r:init_t:s0 
msg='unit=dbus-:1.13-org.kde.kinfocenter.dmidecode@0 comm="systemd" 
exe="/usr/lib/systemd/systemd" hostname=? addr=? terminal=? res=success'
Oct 07 03:30:57 amito kwin_x11[1910]: kwin_core: Failed to focus 0x6e000f3 
(error 8)
Oct 07 03:31:02 amito systemd[1455]: 
app-org.kde.kinfocenter-ab348e03a6664f7495f493b025236f93.scope: Consumed 1.450s 
CPU time.
Oct 07 03:31:04 amito systemd[1455]: 
app-firefox-3fe45d1fdc6144c4b938ab0075ba0c9e.scope: Consumed 28min 48.601s CPU 
time.
Oct 07 03:31:04 amito systemd[1455]: Stopping 
cgroupify@app-firefox-3fe45d1fdc6144c4b938ab0075ba0c9e.scope.service...
Oct 07 03:31:04 amito systemd[1455]: Stopped 
cgroupify@app-firefox-3fe45d1fdc6144c4b938ab0075ba0c9e.scope.service.
Oct 07 03:31:04 amito systemd[1455]: 
cgroupify@app-firefox-3fe45d1fdc6144c4b938ab0075ba0c9e.scope.service: Consumed 
1.357s CPU time.
Oct 07 03:31:24 amito plasmashell[8515]: dbus[8515]: arguments to 
dbus_message_new_method_call() were incorrect, assertion "destination == NULL 
|| _dbus_check_is_valid_bus_name (destination)" failed in file 
../../dbus/dbus-message.c line 1375.
Oct 07 03:31:24 amito plasmashell[8515]: This is normally a bug in some 
application using the D-Bus library.
Oct 07 03:31:24 amito plasmashell[8515]:   D-Bus not built with -rdynamic so 
unable to print a backtrace
Oct 07 03:31:24 amito plasmashell[8515]: KCrash: Application 'plasmashell' 
crashing...
Oct 07 03:31:24 amito plasmashell[8515]: KCrash: Attempting to start 
/usr/libexec/drkonqi
Oct 07 03:31:24 amito systemd[1455]: plasma-ksystemstats.service: Consumed 
3.307s CPU time.
Oct 07 03:31:25 amito systemd[1455]: plasma-plasmashell.service: Main process 
exited, code=exited, status=253/n/a
Oct 07 03:31:25 amito systemd[1455]: plasma-plasmashell.service: Failed with 
result 'exit-code'.
Oct 07 03:31:25 amito systemd[1455]: plasma-plasmashell.service: Consumed 
50.844s CPU time.
Oct 07 03:31:26 amito systemd[1455]: plasma-plasmashell.service: Scheduled 
restart job, restart counter is at 7.
Oct 07 03:31:26 amito systemd[1455]: Stopped plasma-plasmashell.service - KDE 
Plasma Workspace.
Oct 07 03:31:26 amito systemd[1455]: plasma-plasmashell.service: Consumed 
50.844s CPU time.
Oct 07 03:31:26 amito systemd[1455]: Starting plasma-plasmashell.service - KDE 
Plasma Workspace...
Oct 07 03:31:26 amito system

Re: Copy Paste using whatsapp web on firefox doesn't work

[ogio.spam]

Hello Mikes

Il giorno ven, 18/08/2023 alle 18.54 +1000, Michael D. Setzer II ha
scritto:
> On 18 Aug 2023 at 10:21, ogio.spam wrote:
> 
> Subject:Copy Paste using whatsapp web on firefox doesn't work
> From:   "ogio.spam" 
> To: Community support for Fedora users
> 
> Date sent:  Fri, 18 Aug 2023 10:21:30 +0200
> Send reply to:  Community support for Fedora users
> 
> 
> > 
> > Hi all,
> > I'm not sure who is responsible but the situation is like that:
> > 
> 
> Don't know if this would apply.
> Edit / Settings / Privacy and Security / Manage Cookies and Site 
> Data.

As there is a known bug I will wait for a patch without removing
anything.
The size maybe cause it's an application (add-on) 

Regards
 Ogio

[snip]
> 
> 
> ++
>  Michael D. Setzer II - Computer Science Instructor (Retired) 
>  mailto:mi...@guam.net    
>  mailto:msetze...@gmail.com
>  Guam - Where America's Day Begins    
>  G4L Disk Imaging Project maintainer 
>  http://sourceforge.net/projects/g4l/
> ++
> 
> 
> 

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