Re: [VFB] Old Farts Fly Swap.

[Pete Gramp]

I just tried sending my submission from my camera and ring light setup, and
I'm not sure if it went through or not. Could someone please let me know?
I'm not seeing anything sent from myself to the group, so I have no way of
knowing if it went through.

While here, I might as well say the recipe for the fly:

Hook: 7xl streamer
Body: orange floss
Rib: 11 wraps silver oval lagartun tinsel
Throat: 5 to 7 fronds bronze peacock herl overlaid first with yellow then
white bucktail
Wing: baby blue hackle "pad" overlaid with slightly smaller grizzle[y]
hackle "pad", with excess baby blue showing above grizzle[y]. (The original
says grizzle, I added the y, and I added the quotes around pad, as it means
a pair of hackle tips)
Cheek: Mallard flank or teal extended long, 1/2 to 3/4 the shank length
(Optional, I omitted): Cheek overlay, jungle coque
My fly's head is WAY more pronounced than I would have liked, but hey...
I'm an old fart and the eyes are going on me...
Hope the picture went through OK.
-Pete

On Sat, May 13, 2023, 3:12 AM 'KP' via VFB Mail 
wrote:

> Love it. I will upload my photo later today.
> Regards
> Keith
>
>
> On Thursday, 11 May 2023 at 19:46:14 UTC+1 Peggy Brenner wrote:
>
>> Silver Doctor hair wing salmon for all of us remaining old farts.
>>
>> Peggy B
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 26, 2023, 5:24 AM 'KP' via VFB Mail 
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>>
>>> Hello folks,
>>> Thought I would put this on a thread of its own. So the "rules" are:
>>> Tie ONE fly of your choice.
>>> Post a photo on thisa thread of the fly along with the recipe.
>>> Room for as many of you that want to join in.
>>> Age must be OVER 50 (days old!!)
>>> Do all this with no worries about deadlines, post costs, tying hundreds
>>> of flies etc etc.
>>> It can even be a photo of your favourite fly that you tied 20 years ago!!
>>> So far there is
>>> Peggy Brenner
>>> Gary Webb
>>> Rene Zillman
>>> Me
>>> Look foreward to hearing from you and seeing your flies.
>>>
>>> Best from Blighty
>>> Keith
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Re: [VFB] Re: I'M still kickin'

[Pete Gramp]

Hi all -
I'm still alive and kickin' as well, finishing up my last week of graduate
studies before I earn my MSci degree in Drug Discovery & Development from
Drexel University, PA, USA. I get to look like a Papa Smurf sprinkled with
grass clippings when I get hooded during the ceremony... the robe is a
light shade of royal blue, the cap is white, and being in the medical
college, the hood is green. Quite a sight to behold... But I'll finally
have that parchment on the wall. After I graduate, I'll be taking a little
time off to fly fish (of course!) and then will be hitting the job search
like there's no tomorrow.
The old farts swap intrigues me, but before I commit to participating, can
someone give me more details? What type of fly, when is it due, do we
simply post it to this list or do we email the picture(s) and recipe to a
swapmeister/ host who posts everything en masse, those sorts of details?
Great to hear from you all and see the list active again,
-Pete
pete.gr...@gmail.com

On Wed, Apr 26, 2023 at 5:19 AM 'KP' via VFB Mail 
wrote:

> Hi Peggy,
> Sorry to hear about your BIL. Condolences to you and your family. Amazing
> when you think you're  doing the right thing and it goes wrong.
> Good to have you on board for the "swap" though. I see you are still doing
> youre demos and courses. Great work.
> Gary I look forward to seeing this secret panfish fly. I would love to
> have a go at the crappy and sunfish. They seem pretty consistent fly rod
> sport.
> I will put my fly up on here as soon as its done.
> So far there is :
> Peggy,
> Gary,
> Rene?
> Me.
> Plenty of room for all you other old farts out there. ONE fly and post a
> pic on here with the recipe. No postage to worry about, no dozens of flies
> to tie.
> I'll start another thread.
>
> On Tuesday, 25 April 2023 at 12:29:23 UTC+1 Peggy Brenner wrote:
>
>> I'll take part in the Old farts swap, after my BIL funeral this Friday,
>> he is the first of our generation to go. For 60 of his 73 years he took
>> insulin to live, went into a hospital for a week for dehydration and came
>> out in a bag.
>>
>> Peggy B
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 24, 2023 at 6:04 AM 'KP' via VFB Mail <
>> vfb-...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Gary,
>>> Dont know which to try first the fly or the drink! Haha.
>>> BUT I will deffinitly tie a few flies up. I will puty a pic up at some
>>> point.
>>> and
>>>
>>> Rene
>>> When is carnival season? Bierfest?
>>>
>>> And anyone up for an old farts swap MkII? Say ten participants and tie
>>> just ONE fly then put the picture of the fly and recipe on here No
>>> postage no sorting and no pressure and no loads of flies to tie. You could
>>> do it between naps!!?  :-)
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> KP
>>>
>>> On Sunday, 23 April 2023 at 02:08:10 UTC+1 Gary Webb wrote:
>>>
 Keith,  Here is the recipe for the Pink Squirrel Fly:
 https://wiflyfisher.com/patterns/Pink-Squirrel-fly-pattern.asp
 John Bethke is from Westby, Wisconsin.
 And the recipe for the Pink Squirrel Drink:
 https://www.bryantscocktaillounge.com/

 Pink Squirrel

 1& 1/2 oz Creme de Almond
 1/2 oz Creme de Cacao (White)
 Large scoop Strawberry Ice Cream

 Mix in a blender until smooth.
 Pour into a On-The-Rocks glass
 Float a Strawberry on top.

 On Sat, Apr 22, 2023 at 11:21 AM 'KP' via VFB Mail <
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> Ha ! Thats awesome. I will have a look at my swap collections. DonO
> was a monster of a human in the best way. Fantasy Flies I think summed
> him up totally. There were , and still are, some awesome guys in this
> group. Shame its dropped off the page a little bit. I see Nick
> occassionally post on Facebook and his sense of humour is still way out
> there in left field :-)
> I will have a look for the recipe for the Pink Squirrel. I know some
> water it will work on for sure. And with all this 10 foot 2weight fishing
> its prime ammo for that method I'd say.
> As for Air Head? Well we all get to be a bit air headish when we are
> young then again when we are old. So nothing wrong with being an Air Head
> :-)
>
>
> On Saturday, 22 April 2023 at 06:13:01 UTC+1 Gary Webb wrote:
>
>> Keith, I missed the Beer swap.  But I was in the Drinks swap where I
>> tied a Pink Squirrel. More than 30 years ago I met John Bethke at a local
>> sporting goods store demonstrating how to tie his fly Coincidentally the
>> Pink Squirrel swap hosted by Don O is the last swap I've been a part of. 
>> I
>> saw your name on the list of participants. I I fish with a Pink Squirrel
>> quite a lot if there are no rises.
>> And when I do, I sometimes think of  Don Ordes.  A few days ago I
>> could not find my Rope Dubbing DVD. I was about to tear the house apart. 
>> It
>> took me three days to find. Nick Runnarsson hosted an Old Farts swap a 
>> few
>> years back.  I tied a Gary La 

Re: [VFB] Don Ordes news

[Pete Gramp]

I was very close with Don, and this just hit me like a ton of bricks.
Though we’ve been separated geographically a little bit now, it can be said
that my closest fishing buddy just passed. We shared a special connection
in that I got him in touch with a doctor to treat (out of respect for him,
and his family, I’ll just say) “a severe nerve issue in his jaw” that made
him “saddened” by the pain.  Regardless, he took my son under his wing and
was tutoring him in the ways of rope dubbing and fly tying in general.  I’m
still a bit in shock.  He will be sorely missed.
-Pete

On Wed, Dec 23, 2020 at 5:39 PM Byard Miller  wrote:

> RIP DonO. You were a special friend and will be missed by so many
>
> Sent from Byard's iPhone
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> On Dec 23, 2020, at 5:35 PM, Peggy Brenner  wrote:
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> 
>
> I just saw this as well, it seems every week we are loosing another fly
> tyer. Let's all have a silent prayer moment in his honor.
>
> Peggy
>
> On Wed, Dec 23, 2020 at 4:57 PM 'Rick Zieger' via VFB Mail <
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>> Just saw a Facebook post that Don died.
>>
>> Rick
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Re: [VFB] Dirty Bug Yarn

[Pete Gramp]

Al -
Only 6 more years til the oldest goes to college, so... there's a chance?
;)  In the meantime, there will always be my study/office and the formal
dining room that we won't use as such - will be where the kids do
homework, just without a table or desks (they're both autistic, trust me,
it works better that way).  When we went there to look at the lot, there
were browns and rainbows sipping duns and spinners (or dries of some
variety, possibly emergers?), and this was in the middle of November
which is very odd given the season.  I did go to the SUV and get the stream
thermometer and it read 49 degrees F...  The creek is known for sulfur and
tan caddis, though not this time of year.  I didn't see a hatch going on,
but MAN am I dreaming about it already!  My son is equally excited.  My
daughter is still very young, in elementary school, but has been asking me
if I could teach her to fly fish once we move in May.  So... you might have
to fight for a good spot haha!  But you're always welcome (once we move, of
course).
-Pete

On Tue, Dec 1, 2020 at 11:10 PM Allan Fish  wrote:

> Pete,
>
> > On Dec 1, 2020, at 11:04 PM, Pete Gramp  wrote:
> >
> > Almost forgot to mention - we're having a house built for us on the west
> branch of the Perkiomen creek (it will run through our back yard) that is
> wild trout water.  In Barto, PA, USA.  My wife claims we're moving because
> we want single-level living, but... well, you all know the truth... ;)
> > -Pete
>
> You will have a spare VFB bedroom, won’t you?   
>
> Al
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Re: [VFB] Dirty Bug Yarn

[Pete Gramp]

Almost forgot to mention - we're having a house built for us on the west
branch of the Perkiomen creek (it will run through our back yard) that is
wild trout water.  In Barto, PA, USA.  My wife claims we're moving because
we want single-level living, but... well, you all know the truth... ;)
-Pete

On Tue, Dec 1, 2020 at 3:50 PM Joyce M Westphal  wrote:

> I got some from Dakota Angler in SD and was amazed as it looks, feels and
> is much like the tan Vintage DK yarn I buy by the skein at the local yarn
> shop.  They also have a great light pink Vintage DK that makes fine flies
> as well. Glad someone is making it in smaller amounts than a 200 gm skein.
> Joyce
>
> On Tue, Dec 1, 2020 at 1:18 PM Pete Gramp  wrote:
>
>> I haven't seen any emails in a long while on the VFB, perhaps because of
>> the USA Thanksgiving holiday, but I have to share this.  On a whim, and on
>> the recommendation of a fly tying buddy of mine, Tim Cammisa (you likely
>> know him from his YouTube videos), I tried out a new SemperFli product
>> called "Dirty Bug Yarn".  At first, I thought this to be "just another
>> yarn," but it is anything but that!  It comes in mottled colors, one of
>> which is as close to a 477 match as I have ever seen, and it comes in a
>> thinner-than-Antron-yarn, two-ply "strand" (though if it is 2-ply, I guess
>> it is a cord and not a strand).  Somewhere between embroidery yarn
>> thickness and a single-ply of Antron yarn for thickness.  Very minimally
>> shaggy - just enough, but not "chenille" shaggy.  More like "mole fur
>> dubbing noodle" or "thin superfine dubbing noodle" fuzz.  It is there, but
>> not much.  The thing with this stuff is that it blends really well - it
>> doesn't look like you wrapped a cord around a hook.  It looks like a
>> single, continuous body that is perfectly mottled and buggy looking.  I
>> find it perfect for just about all small to medium gamefish flies (trout
>> and grayling is what I have in mind) from emergers to nymphs, dries to
>> parachutes.  I even caught an 11" rainbow on a mini-bugger (size 14) with
>> this as the body material.  That is about the biggest I would push it for
>> the hook *length,* though (not hook size, but length) because the dirty
>> bug yarn doesn't add much bulk to the hook, and it looks weird if you have
>> a very long and very skinny hook.  At least, it looks odd (or
>> "under-dressed" to me.  JStockard (jsflyfishing.com) carries this stuff
>> - no affiliation, but I know it isn't easy to locate, so that's the only
>> reason I mention this.  But I would encourage you, if you have 5 quids to
>> toss towards this product, definitely try it out!  The mottled colors not
>> only look great from a "fly fisher's" perspective, but they truly do catch
>> more fish from a "fish catching" perspective!
>> Again, I have no affiliation with SemperFli, JStockard, or anything
>> mentioned; I just wanted to rave about an awesome material that is a
>> game-changer for me.
>> Hope you are all well,
>> -Pete
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[VFB] Dirty Bug Yarn

[Pete Gramp]

I haven't seen any emails in a long while on the VFB, perhaps because of
the USA Thanksgiving holiday, but I have to share this.  On a whim, and on
the recommendation of a fly tying buddy of mine, Tim Cammisa (you likely
know him from his YouTube videos), I tried out a new SemperFli product
called "Dirty Bug Yarn".  At first, I thought this to be "just another
yarn," but it is anything but that!  It comes in mottled colors, one of
which is as close to a 477 match as I have ever seen, and it comes in a
thinner-than-Antron-yarn, two-ply "strand" (though if it is 2-ply, I guess
it is a cord and not a strand).  Somewhere between embroidery yarn
thickness and a single-ply of Antron yarn for thickness.  Very minimally
shaggy - just enough, but not "chenille" shaggy.  More like "mole fur
dubbing noodle" or "thin superfine dubbing noodle" fuzz.  It is there, but
not much.  The thing with this stuff is that it blends really well - it
doesn't look like you wrapped a cord around a hook.  It looks like a
single, continuous body that is perfectly mottled and buggy looking.  I
find it perfect for just about all small to medium gamefish flies (trout
and grayling is what I have in mind) from emergers to nymphs, dries to
parachutes.  I even caught an 11" rainbow on a mini-bugger (size 14) with
this as the body material.  That is about the biggest I would push it for
the hook *length,* though (not hook size, but length) because the dirty bug
yarn doesn't add much bulk to the hook, and it looks weird if you have a
very long and very skinny hook.  At least, it looks odd (or "under-dressed"
to me.  JStockard (jsflyfishing.com) carries this stuff - no affiliation,
but I know it isn't easy to locate, so that's the only reason I mention
this.  But I would encourage you, if you have 5 quids to toss towards this
product, definitely try it out!  The mottled colors not only look great
from a "fly fisher's" perspective, but they truly do catch more fish from a
"fish catching" perspective!
Again, I have no affiliation with SemperFli, JStockard, or anything
mentioned; I just wanted to rave about an awesome material that is a
game-changer for me.
Hope you are all well,
-Pete

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[VFB] Source for Seal's fur dubbing in the USA?

[Pete Gramp]

Hi, VFB!
Is there a *legit* source for seal's fur dubbing in the USA?  Like, not
having to deal with CITES permits or risking run-ins with law enforcement?
For that matter, is it even legal to possess and use seal's fur dubbing in
the USA without a CITES permit or the likes?  If not... boy, I am glad the
little I have from Scotland has a CITES permit associated with it!!

Just looking for new colors, as what I have are 2 colors, both dark (jet
black, dark olive nearly dark-brown), and nearly impossible to dye the
orange and cobalt blue I'm desiring... There's a featured pattern in the UK
Flyfishing & Flytying Journal that I'd like to try my hand at, that's why
I'm seeking these colors.  Technically I could use sheepswool dubbing as an
alternative, but I was never fond of that stuff, and I don't have that
besides.  And the sheen just isn't the same for sheepswool dubbing.  I
suppose I could also use pigswool but that is too kinky/curly in my
opinion, and besides, I only have about 0.1g left (flattened out, the size
of a 50p piece, or a little bigger than a US quarter) in off-colorations
for that option.

Thanks for any help anyone can provide for seal's fur sourcing - legit
ones, in the USA,
-Pete

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Re: [VFB] Health and weather

[Pete Gramp]

Been lurking a bit, so I felt I should send an email.
I'm working full time (from home) and in a Masters degree program (online
100%) at Drexel University full time.  It doesn't leave much time for
fishing, but I never was one to brave the cold temps to fly fish much.
Mid-terms are coming up, and for one paper, the professor is preventing the
use of 1st person pronouns as well as prepositions.  I can understand the
1st person pronouns being removed, as that is common - state the facts, and
leave the "feelings" or personal opinions out of the paper.  But
prepositions?  That is absurd.  Here is an example I have of what the
resultant paper will contain:

Example:
"What are you doing, Pete?"
The prior version of the response:
"I'm eating with the family."
Professor's version of response:
"Eating the family."

Therefore, I must conclude this professor is pro-cannibalism.

True story, I just saw it through to its "logical" conclusion...
 -Pete

On Mon, Feb 17, 2020 at 11:11 PM Chuck Alexander <
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> Gary: Thanks. Will do on keeping you both in my prayers. Chuck
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> *From:* vfb-mail@googlegroups.com  *On Behalf
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> Good to hear you're getting healthier Chuck.   I'm doing well, but
>
> Susan has had some setbacks.  I won't go into details.  Just keep us in
> your prayers as I know you do.   Weather here is typical Wisconsin in
> February.  Ten inches of snow last Sunday and minus 18 this morning.  The
> sun was shining but I wasn't even tempted to try for some trout.  Barely
> took my dog for a walk. When we get a day where temps get above freezing
> I'll be out trying some new patterns I tied recently.
>
> Gary
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>
>
> On Thu, Feb 13, 2020 at 6:40 PM Chuck Alexander <
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> Folks: since the group is real slow, so I thought I’d send a health and
> weather email out asking about everybody. How is everybody’s health and
> weather??? I FINALLY got over the pneumonia and dehydration I was
> hospitalized because of   for a few days back in November. I kept a hacking
> cough for over three months before getting rid of if FINALLY . And I think
> we have had rain for about 30 STRAIGHT.  And I hope to fix a few more
> things on my boat and boat trailer so we can boat fish as much as possible
> this yr but it’s always raining so I haven’t been able to work on it. Hope
> everybody is at least doing “fair to middlin’ “as we say in the deep South
> here, Chuck
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Re: [VFB] Czech Nymph Books

[Pete Gramp]

Thank you so very much, Nev!  I now have three new books added to my
wish-list!  With starting graduate school (for a MS in Drug Discovery &
Development at Drexel University, PA, USA; classes starting 06JAN2020), and
working full time as well, I unfortunately am placing fly tying readings on
the back burner temporarily... well, I should clarify, they will be read
when I need some time to remove stress and unwind.  But my focus will be on
schoolwork and on working full time, while the semester runs its course.
With little luck, I will be able to make it to the Fly Fishing Show in
Lancaster, PA, USA on March 7th, 2020, but as that is right around the time
of mid-term testing, we'll see how it goes.  The Edison NJ, USA show in a
few weeks is, sadly, not possible for me to attend - at least for this
year.  Regardless, I hope to purchase some of these books you mentioned,
and use them to unwind during my off time, on days when a fishing trip
isn't possible.
Thank you again, ever so much!
-Pete
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> I promised to let Pete Gramp know the titles of my Czech Nymph  books.
> they are all  either 2007 or 2009 publications.
> There are 6 attachments. Hopefully this will work
>
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Re: [VFB] Suggestion for Paper Books with Czech / Euro / Jig nymph patterns in them

[Pete Gramp]

That would be amazing, thank you so much, Nev!

The pleasure was all ours, Peggy!  I greatly appreciate you taking time to
speak with my autistic daughter.  She's getting into tying, despite her
young age, but has been asking me (direct quote "Isn't tying and fishing
only for boys?" so I'm thrilled to have had several women speak with her
while she was at the show.  I don't know if we'll have her join my son and
I at the January or March shows (Edison, Lancaster), depends on how she is
those days... but we'll see.  She thoroughly enjoyed it, though!  She
wanted me to say thanks to you.

Thanks to you both,
-Pete

On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 2:28 PM Neville Gosling 
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> Hi Pete:
>
>
> I took up and interest in chech nymphs about 10 or more yers ago and have
> several books on the subject, however I am currently in the UK and will try
> to remember to send you the list when I  return home.
>
> Nev
>
> On Dec 1, 2019, at 10:12 AM, Peggy Brenner  wrote:
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> I'll have to look for a real book, I use a Kindle and lot's of tying books
> are on the Unlimited plan.  I enjoyed a talk with Jan Siman and got some of
> his materials, the chapstick looking marker for the tippet and a couple of
> furled leaders that are colored. I have never liked the indicators, most
> are to big and remind me of bobbers.
>
> It was nice to see you and family at the Symposium, the hall was smaller
> this year but made for a closer show.
>
> Peggy
>
> On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 10:44 AM Pete Gramp  wrote:
>
>> Hi, VFB folks - hope everything is well with you -
>> My son and I went to the International Fly Tying Symposium in Parsippany
>> NJ (USA) a weekend or so ago, and we both really enjoyed the flies tied by
>> Czech nymph master Jan Siman.  My son is asking me why there's a shortage
>> of books that speak about fly patterns tied in the realm of Czech nymph,
>> Euro nymph, or just jig nymph patterns, and my best guess is because
>> everything these days has gone digital - that is, everything has shifted to
>> instagram, facebook, or YouTube.
>>
>> So with that hunch in mind, I'm reaching out to see if anyone knows of
>> any books that have a wealth of patterns specific to the Czech nymphs, Jig
>> nymphs, and/or Euro nymphing styles.  We can always use youtube, sure, but
>> what we're after is a paper book.  That said, if you know of a particular
>> tyer or channel on instagram or youtube, or the likes, please let me know
>> so we can check it out - if they deal specifically or mostly with those
>> types of nymphs, please.
>>
>> Thanks, everyone!
>> -Pete
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[VFB] Suggestion for Paper Books with Czech / Euro / Jig nymph patterns in them

[Pete Gramp]

Hi, VFB folks - hope everything is well with you -
My son and I went to the International Fly Tying Symposium in Parsippany NJ
(USA) a weekend or so ago, and we both really enjoyed the flies tied by
Czech nymph master Jan Siman.  My son is asking me why there's a shortage
of books that speak about fly patterns tied in the realm of Czech nymph,
Euro nymph, or just jig nymph patterns, and my best guess is because
everything these days has gone digital - that is, everything has shifted to
instagram, facebook, or YouTube.

So with that hunch in mind, I'm reaching out to see if anyone knows of any
books that have a wealth of patterns specific to the Czech nymphs, Jig
nymphs, and/or Euro nymphing styles.  We can always use youtube, sure, but
what we're after is a paper book.  That said, if you know of a particular
tyer or channel on instagram or youtube, or the likes, please let me know
so we can check it out - if they deal specifically or mostly with those
types of nymphs, please.

Thanks, everyone!
-Pete

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Re: [VFB] Digest for vfb-mail@googlegroups.com - 1 update in 1 topic

[Pete Gramp]

>
> I seem to remember someone asking about the Espresso Midge, is that
> correct?  If so, I just stumbled upon a video that shows how to tie it, by
> a pretty decent group (Fly Fish Food).  Link is below:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=053pWttKmJ0=_cid=0299e0556a_eid=6302a91dce

Hope this helps whoever was asking about it,
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Re: [VFB] What is in your vices?

[Pete Gramp]

I just read the post of the fly from the journal, and I stand corrected -
that fly would certainly work in the waters where I fish.  Now to get that
embroidery floss, or to find a retailer of SemperFly material... I'm on a
quest, I suppose!  Any info on retailers of the material in the USA (sent
straight to me) is most welcome.
Thanks for sharing the pattern!
-Pete

On Sun, Nov 25, 2018 at 6:50 PM Pete Gramp  wrote:

> Which issue of the Flyfishing and Tying Journal was it in, Joyce?  I can't
> seem to locate that fly in the Winter 2019 issue, but I may have missed
> it... you have my curiosity going here.  From the name of the fly, I doubt
> I'd ever fish it, based on the water types I fish most often (very narrow,
> slow flowing brooks and streams with trout of max size ~10 inches in
> length)... but you never know, if tied small enough, they may work where I
> fish :)  And besides, I tie spey and atlantic salmon flies in 6/0 size and
> goodness knows I'll likely not fish those any time soon!  Some day, I hope,
> but not any time soon... unless I win an all expense paid trip or something
> haha.
> -Pete
>
> On Sun, Nov 25, 2018 at 2:43 PM Phxflytyer  wrote:
>
>> Joyce:
>>
>> Would you be able to post a picture of that fly. I do not get the
>> Flyfishing & Tying mag.?
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> Thank You,
>> Alan Di Somma
>> Mesa, Az.
>>
>> Some mistakes are just too much fun to make only once.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Nov 25, 2018, at 11:50 AM, Joyce M Westphal 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Nice fly.  I often use Aunt Lydia's rug yarn, single strand as a post.
>> Currently finishing up so Road Hog flies, but need to find some more dark
>> deer hair.  These flies were in the Flyfishing and Tying journal and I
>> think will work well on the Provo.
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 25, 2018 at 10:48 AM Rene Zillmann 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Gang,
>>>
>>>
>>> hm,.. sorry, that I did not answer any of your posts. Was wondering that
>>> nobody was answering my question about your tying  I do not get the
>>> mails.
>>>
>>> Just checked in google groups, and saw a lot of answers. Strange that I
>>> do not get the mails, even not all of mine...
>>>
>>> Rene
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11/02/2018 09:13 PM, Rene Zillmann wrote:
>>> > Hi,
>>> >
>>> > winter is approaching - at least in the northern part of the globe.
>>> >
>>> > What are you doing to tie next?
>>> >
>>> > I'll do 2 main things:
>>> >
>>> > I will ty a lot of my parachute beetles, but with different body
>>> > colors, to the the effect of the various colors next year.
>>> >
>>> > And I'll do some variations for EHCs for a similar reason.
>>> >
>>> > And what are you doing?
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Rene
>>> >
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Re: [VFB] What is in your vices?

[Pete Gramp]

Which issue of the Flyfishing and Tying Journal was it in, Joyce?  I can't
seem to locate that fly in the Winter 2019 issue, but I may have missed
it... you have my curiosity going here.  From the name of the fly, I doubt
I'd ever fish it, based on the water types I fish most often (very narrow,
slow flowing brooks and streams with trout of max size ~10 inches in
length)... but you never know, if tied small enough, they may work where I
fish :)  And besides, I tie spey and atlantic salmon flies in 6/0 size and
goodness knows I'll likely not fish those any time soon!  Some day, I hope,
but not any time soon... unless I win an all expense paid trip or something
haha.
-Pete

On Sun, Nov 25, 2018 at 2:43 PM Phxflytyer  wrote:

> Joyce:
>
> Would you be able to post a picture of that fly. I do not get the
> Flyfishing & Tying mag.?
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> Thank You,
> Alan Di Somma
> Mesa, Az.
>
> Some mistakes are just too much fun to make only once.
>
>
>
> On Nov 25, 2018, at 11:50 AM, Joyce M Westphal  wrote:
>
> Nice fly.  I often use Aunt Lydia's rug yarn, single strand as a post.
> Currently finishing up so Road Hog flies, but need to find some more dark
> deer hair.  These flies were in the Flyfishing and Tying journal and I
> think will work well on the Provo.
>
> On Sun, Nov 25, 2018 at 10:48 AM Rene Zillmann 
> wrote:
>
>> Gang,
>>
>>
>> hm,.. sorry, that I did not answer any of your posts. Was wondering that
>> nobody was answering my question about your tying  I do not get the
>> mails.
>>
>> Just checked in google groups, and saw a lot of answers. Strange that I
>> do not get the mails, even not all of mine...
>>
>> Rene
>>
>>
>> On 11/02/2018 09:13 PM, Rene Zillmann wrote:
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > winter is approaching - at least in the northern part of the globe.
>> >
>> > What are you doing to tie next?
>> >
>> > I'll do 2 main things:
>> >
>> > I will ty a lot of my parachute beetles, but with different body
>> > colors, to the the effect of the various colors next year.
>> >
>> > And I'll do some variations for EHCs for a similar reason.
>> >
>> > And what are you doing?
>> >
>> >
>> > Rene
>> >
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Re: [VFB] What is in your vices?

[Pete Gramp]

Thanks, Neville and Tony, for the complements!  It isn't the most realistic
or fanciest fly I've tied, by a long shot, but it does show some progress
being made.  I hope to get back to tying realistic flies in the weeks
ahead.  Coupled with traditional Scottish Lough flies, they're my
"specialty" of sorts.  Or at least they're what I used to be able to tie
fairly well... Not sure what I want to tie in that regard to get back in
that realm - may start simple and do some Oliver Edwards flies.  We'll see
how it goes.  For now, I'm toying around with the new mayfly nymph bodies
and legs from Risen Fly company - or rather, I have the materials as of a
few days ago, and plan to work with them today.  They look quite buggy, and
coupled with Flymen Fishing Company's extended shanks, I'm going to try my
hand at some jointed extended body mayflies.  Always challenging myself
with these eyes of mine, I suppose... it's the only way I'll get back to
where I once was, I figure.  Like learning to ride a bike all over again,
but it'll happen, I'm confident of it.

On a different note, I was all excited and ready to go to the international
fly tying symposium this last weekend, and then my wife realized it was
2.5hrs drive time each way instead of the roughly 2hrs to Somersett NJ
(sp?), and for whatever reason that extra half hour each way was a thorn in
her side for driving me out there (I'm not allowed to drive with the
epilepsy), so she got cold feet so to speak and cancelled the trek out
there for the day.  The Edison show is a maybe for January - if I do go,
we'll get a hotel room for the weekend - but the lancaster show is a
certainty.  At least I can get in some show or another this season :)
Sorry if I missed seeing anyone at the tying symposium last weekend.

I hope everyone had wonderful holidays / Thanksgivings,
Tight wraps,
-Pete


On Fri, Nov 23, 2018 at 8:17 PM 'Anthony Spezio' via VFB Mail <
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> Good to hear that and that is a real neat tye.
> Arkansas Tony
>
> On Friday, November 23, 2018, 6:35:13 PM CST, Neville Gosling <
> nev.gosl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> It looks pretty good to me Pete! Well done!
>
> Neville (Nev) Gosling
>
> On Nov 23, 2018, at 14:56, Pete Gramp  wrote:
>
> Wanted to challenge myself, with my eyes starting to begin to focus a tad
> more with me getting my blood sugar numbers lower (140s this week, which is
> supposedly quite good considering I started at 1085 with the DKA), so I
> tied the attached fly - a size 16 artificial peacock quill bodied
> klinkhammer.  Post is made of Fly Tyer's Dungeon material called "Water
> Silk" - wanted to try it out, and it is ok but quite "poofy" to work with
> for the purpose of a post.  Please excuse the hackle being undersized... it
> was a goof from poor lighting more than poor eyesight... and being golden
> badger, a pale one at that, it looks even smaller than it truly is... but
> considering I could barely focus to tie a size 12 a few weeks ago, I'd say
> I'm progressing fairly well.  Tied on my HMH TRV vise - love this vise, it
> is truly my dream vise, even if the jaws are a knock-off of the LAW vise
> jaws (personal opinion).  I view that as a plus, personally.
> Picture attached, and hopefully I figured out how to resize it
> adequately... sorry if I didn't do it correctly.
> -Pete
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Re: [VFB] Birthday wishes

[Pete Gramp]

Have a break between 2 doctor appointments this morning, so thought I'd
send this message - Sorry for the late reply, but thanks to all for the
birthday wishes - had a wonderful 40th birthday!  Even had some cheesecake
- ok so some sugar-free cheesecake flavored jello brand pudding cup, due to
the diabetes, but my imagination made it close enough :)  Have since been
back to work, albeit 20hr work week, since Monday, and will be back to full
time (40hr week, though with the thanksgiving holiday it is not the case)
this upcoming Monday.  Hoping to get to the International fly tying
symposium tomorrow but not sunday (only due to church) but may be forced to
sit a lot of the time at the featured tyer presentations and the likes...
we'll see how I hold up.  It is one thing to work from home at a desk the
whole time... another entirely to walk around a show... so we'll see how it
goes.  My wife has been saying that all four of our family is going into
the show, so this may be interesting...  with a 5 year old rambunctious kid
in the mix, it will be very interesting...  I'm optimistic though.  :)
Again, thanks everyone for the well wishes and birthday wishes!
-Pete

On Wed, Nov 14, 2018 at 9:15 PM Donna Crowell  wrote:

> Happy Birthday From NH
>
>   Donna…...
>
> On Wed, Nov 14, 2018 at 6:10 PM Neville Gosling 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Pete:
>>
>> Happy Birthday from Canada!
>>
>> Neville (Nev) Gosling
>> Greater Vancouver, BC
>>
>>
>>
>> On Nov 14, 2018, at 14:03, 'Anthony Spezio' via VFB Mail <
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>> Add my HAPPY BIRTHDAY, have a good one.
>> Tony
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 14, 2018, 3:17:39 PM CST, 'Rick Zieger' via VFB
>> Mail  wrote:
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>> Pete Gramp hits the birthday list today.
>> Have a Happy One.
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>> Rick
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Re: [VFB] What is in your vices?

[Pete Gramp]

Tied some lively legz nymphs this afternoon.  By "some" I mean 2.  But in
all fairness I was chatting with my son the whole while and he tied with
me, also lively legz nymphs, also 2 of them, and we made 2 batches of
rabbit fur dubbing using a coffee grinder method, and he willingly spent
about 2 hours helping to clean up the tying room a bit (it needs another
couple full days worth of cleaning...  but we made a dent on it), so I
can't knock it one bit.  I found my 6 packs of various shades of whiting
tailing packs / coq de leon, which I couldn't for the life of me locate up
until today, so that made me thrilled.  If I make it to the International
Fly Tying Symposium in New Jersey this next weekend, I hope to pick up some
more CDL tailing packs - I may have 6 packs, but the quantity of remaining
feathers in those 6 packs is next to nil, and I use them all of the time
for tails on my dries.
Anyhow, all in all it was a great tying session.
-Pete

On Sat, Nov 10, 2018 at 4:55 PM ladyflytyer  wrote:

> Soft hackles this winter, then red fish flies for Texas
>
> Peggy
>
>
>
> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy Tab® S
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>
>  Original message 
> From: Rene Zillmann 
> Date: 11/9/18 2:50 PM (GMT-05:00)
> To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [VFB] What is in your vices?
>
> Ok, nobody is tying any fly?
>
> Running out off hackle?
>
> R.
>
>
> On 11/02/2018 09:13 PM, Rene Zillmann wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > winter is approaching - at least in the northern part of the globe.
> >
> > What are you doing to tie next?
> >
> > I'll do 2 main things:
> >
> > I will ty a lot of my parachute beetles, but with different body
> > colors, to the the effect of the various colors next year.
> >
> > And I'll do some variations for EHCs for a similar reason.
> >
> > And what are you doing?
> >
> >
> > Rene
> >
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[VFB] Out of hospital, and now looking for fly patterns

[Pete Gramp]

So my not-so-brilliant body decided it would play a trick on me and would
suddenly go into what the hospital staff called "DKA" - Diabetic
ketoacidosis - which essentially means that while the blood sugar levels of
a "normal" person are in the 70 to 100 range, mine were 1085 when I was
admitted to the hospital and rushed immediately to the Emergency Room and
then passed to the Intensive Care Unit.  Two weeks later, and 43 pounds
lighter (supposedly from my organs eating themselves, and the muscles
around them, and not from fat loss), I was discharged from the hospital and
told I'm now a diabetic in the "severely diabetic" category with blood
sugar levels still in the upper 200's to lower 300's.  Still on short term
disability and off work, until they get my blood sugars back down in the
more "normal" range.

Biggest pain in the neck, besides my general weakness, is that my eyesight
comes and goes with the blood sugar levels.  I'm told this will get back to
normal when my blood sugar levels return back to more reasonable levels,
but for the time being, I am struggling with tying anything smaller than
size 12.  and to be honest, size 12 is kind of a challenge too, but I
refuse to go much larger than that.

Does anyone have any *relatively *simple fly patterns that they could send
me off-list for some size 12 flies (dries or nymphs preferred please, as I
have plenty of soft hackles and streamers and I don't have much opportunity
for use of salt or salmon and my eyes aren't up for traditional wets or
full dressed atlantic salmon or spey, etc.)?  I'm not looking for the
simplicity of a san juan worm, but then again, I'm not much better than
that with my eyesight right now... perhaps it is wishful thinking that I
say I wish for something a bit more complex than that... but I desire a
challenge.

Thanks for any suggestions in the way of patterns you can send off-list!
-Pete

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[VFB] What are your favorite online pattern resources?

[Pete Gramp]

I've hit a weird funk where I sat down at the vise (or vice) and didn't
know what to tie.  I have a library of multiple hundred books, some of them
encyclopedias of fly patterns, and yes, I had no idea what to tie.  Tyer's
block, much like a writer's block, if you will.  So that got me to
thinking: what are your favorite, or most used, online preferably - or
written in print - sources for new patterns, to keep things fresh?  If you
say "Youtube" please be more specific - which channel do you view, and what
about that channel holds your attention?  I'm not looking for great fly
*fishing* videos, though they are very cool to me, but I'm seeking recipes
for fly *tying* patterns, or step by steps, that are geared specifically
towards the tying of a multiplicity of different flies.
I look forward to hearing what folks have to say - this may be interesting!
-Pete

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[VFB] Unsolicited praise of a little mom and pop business

[Pete Gramp]

I hope that this is OK to post on VFB, but I just had the greatest
experience with a relatively small mom and pop type fly fishing business
and wanted to spread the word.

So my son's 10th birthday is Thursday, and we had planned to get him a rod
and reel combo.  Not a "Walmart special" cheap-o type. but a legitimate,
well-made rod and a reel that could take the abuse of a 10-year-old.  We
decided that the Genesis rod and Armor reel from Risen Fly company, while
being a lower-priced rod (100 dollar rod or so) and relatively lower priced
reel (I forget how much it was, but guessing 80 dollars US?  maybe?) were
the right choice for my son, after having experience with other rod makes
in their product lineup (I own a 23PS and an ITB, and can vouch for them
being well made graphite rods).  Again this is unsolicited, and I have no
personal gain by stating this, and I have no connection with the company
besides being a happy customer.

The "story" is that we pre-ordered the rod and reel combo back at the
beginning of the month, with hopes it would be to us in time for my son's
birthday.  Well, as manufacturing timelines would have it. the reel was
delayed, and Risen was going to hold the order until everything was ready.
I reached out to Ryan, the president and owner, and asked if there could be
a split order, and that I'd pay extra for the shipping and handling.  He
surprised me by not only jumping on the ball and shipping out everything in
the order except the reel yesterday, a Sunday (and they are a
Christian-rooted company, quite firmly if I do say so), but he waived the
fee for extra s, AND he said he threw in an extra birthday gift for my
son, free of charge.  I must admit that I have yet to receive this
shipment, so I don't know what the extra gift is, but I mean - anything
over and above is worth a praise in my book!

Their website is risenfly.com and I know they have a loyal customer in me!
Disclaimer - I'm just a happy customer; I'm not advertising for them, not
promoting them *per se*, just stating a good experience I had with them.  I
get nothing out of doing so, and I have no connections with them besides
being a happy customer.

Thanks for listening to this story of my experience with a company "doing
it right" - and then some!
-Pete

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[VFB] First guided trip, any help / suggestions welcome

[Pete Gramp]

So my wife totally floored me and said that I could take a 4-day weekend in
June, after the kids' and her schools let out (she's a teaching librarian
in the local high school) to fly fish some semi-local waters with a guide.
I've selected Spring Creek and/or Flyfisher's Paradise, near State College,
Pennsylvania, USA, which is about a 3 hour jaunt from where I reside.  I'm
in contact with Josh Miller, of Team USA Fly Fishing, to guide me and
hopefully instill some knowledge on euro nymphing, which I'm a baby at (or
whatever you'd call someone who doesn't even make the cut to be called a
novice... at least when it comes to euro nymphing... at least...  I've
fished dries almost exclusively for my fishing career, and done remarkably
well with them, but considering the relative percentage of food that is
under the surface, I'm no dummy and am eager to learn the ways of the
nymph.  I'm no Nate Brumley...)

So this is my first ever trip using a guide.  I'll be practicing my casting
on the back lawn, using the rod and reel I intend to take with me on the
trip, just with an old fly line.  (Fishing for grass carp, I suppose? ;)
)  but besides that, what should I do to prepare, or what can I expect
during the trip?

Also, he has yet to get any sort of pricing to me.  Not sure what to do
regarding tip, either - any suggestions?  I realize it is based on the
quality of the trip, and if he loads me up with flies or something like
that, I'll obviously pay extra, but I wanted a general ballpark figure.
Just a closest hundred or 200 bucks (USD) or so.  Just so I have an idea of
what I should be aiming at for a tip.

So I have no idea what to expect from a guided trip, and am looking for any
"guide"-ance you can provide.

Thanks, everyone!
-Pete

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Re: [VFB] Late Bugger Swap -- flies were send

[Pete Gramp]

Bout of the flu here, and not done the flies.  I respectfully ask to drop
out of the bugger swap.  One day I was perfectly healthy, worked a 14hr
day, next day I've got something that tests positive for Inf B on the fast
test for flu.  I am on Tamiflu, but don't want to delay the swap any more
than it already is.  Unfortunately, I have a backlog being created at work
while out, so I wouldn't have much time once over this flu to tie flies, at
least for a week or so, so I'm going to have to be "that guy" and drop
out.  I apologize profusely.  For the record, I jokingly blame my getting
the flu on the 14hrs of work and lack of fishing... though in these temps,
it wouldn't have helped matters to be fishing in the cold...
Thanks for understanding,
-Pete

On Fri, Jan 26, 2018 at 12:48 PM, Rene Zillmann 
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> Don,
>
> this is the English name of the town I live.
>
> They sell a famous fragrance, called 4711 Kölnisch Wasser, what in your
> neck of the woods might be called 'Cologne', just an abbreviation.
>
> Rene
>
> On 01/26/2018 05:20 PM, DonO wrote:
>
> Well at least they should smell good.  Could name them 'Bruts'.
>
> DonO
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Rene Zillmann
> Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2018 12:34 PM
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>
> Hi Don,
>
> I'm late, however this was the name of the swap...
>
> My bugger left *Cologne *2 days ago.
>
> KR
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> Rene
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Re: [VFB] Rope-dub bugger swap

[Pete Gramp]

I have from tomorrow through the 25th off from work, though I doubt I'll
get many tied on Christmas eve or Christmas, with the in-laws visiting
overnight... Hopefully I can get these tied up by then.  I'm sorry to say
that I only have 3 tied so far.  I've been experimenting so much with what
rope dubbing can do that I've not been tying for the swap! Eek!  I'll fix
that tomorrow, and will start cranking them out first thing in the
morning.  What with my time-sensitive and odd-timing-to-take-it seizure
meds and all, I'm up at 4am, so I have a bit of time before the kids are
awake and "bugging" me.
Happy holidays to all,
-Pete


On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 4:25 PM, Rene Zillmann <rene.zillm...@t-online.de>
wrote:

> Hi Don,
>
> I'm a bit late, had to finish a rod for my son, to be used on our trip to
> Canada... a xmas gift ...
>
> But will start tying now, I fear I'll send 'em in begin of January. I'd
> like to avoid that they are lost in Xmas mails.
>
> Best Rene
>
>
>
> On 12/08/2017 07:57 AM, DonO wrote:
>
> FRIENDS,
>
> Well the move is finally over and we’re settling in.  Getting the house
> set up will take weeks at least.
>
> You can start sending in the rope-dub buggers and I will start dividing
> them up and posting progress photos.
>
> *Rope-dub bugger swap list – 12 tiers:*
>
>
> *1. Don Ordes *
> *2. Rene Zillmann*
> *3. Wayne Blake-Hedges*
> *4. Allan Fish*
> *5. Rick Zieger*
> *6. Peggy Brenner*
> *7. Bob Hendry*
> *8. Neville Gosling*
> *9.  Pete Gramp*
> *10. Jack Hartford*
>
> *11. Jay Balmer 12. Mike Bliss*
>
> Don Ordes
> 3715 S. Twin Springs Way
> Nampa, ID 83686
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Re: [VFB] Testing, testing... Rope-buggers Picture Palettes- reply to Pete

[Pete Gramp]

Thanks, Don - will have to try these ideas out tonight, when not working.
Thanks again! -Pete

On Sun, Oct 15, 2017 at 12:44 PM, DonO <f...@tribcsp.com> wrote:

>
>
> *From:* Pete Gramp <pete.gr...@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Sunday, October 15, 2017 6:22 AM
> *To:* vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: [VFB] Testing, testing... Rope-buggers Picture Palettes
>
> Hi, Don -
> I have a question about hackle on your rope dubbed buggers.  I've been
> tieing in the hackle by the tip at the curve of the hook bend, roping the
> dubbing but keeping the hackle out of the rope, rope-dubbing the dubbing,
> tieing off the rope-dubbed dubbing, then hackling palmered hackle (not
> roped) in the creases made by the rope-dubbed dubbing.  But after reading
> what you sent, it leads me to think that you actually rope the hackle
> itself... can you speak to that?
>
> *Pete, first, there only are a few ‘rules’ that make the
> ‘rope-dub’ what it is:*
> *1.  Anchor the dubbing front or back.  (Front for roping backwards, at
> the bend for roping forwards)*
> *2.  Stretch the thread out tight horizontally between the hook and
> bobbin, which is held tightly in the left hand to create tension. (for
> right-hand tiers) DO NOT hang the bobbin below the hook.*
> *3.  Spin the dubbing counterclockwise with fingertips of BOTH HANDS
> alternately without allowing back-spin, until the desired tightness is
> reached.*
>
> *4. After tight, don’t let go and wrap forward to create segments.*
> *Everything after this is infinite ways to rope-dub IF you keep
> these 4 points. The DVD has a short intro on the basic steps and movements,
> but the rest of the DVD (45 min) is applications and variations.  DVD #2
> could have easily been volumes 2 through 10.  Hope to be able to get back
> to DVD work in earnest after the house move soon. Posted a few Youtube
> videos just to get set up, but have a long way to go.*
>
> First, whether you did rope the hackle, second whether it is roped with
> the dubbing en masse, and third can you speak a little to how this method
> actually is, well, how it works?  I can't picture it happening - wouldn't
> you get a great deal of the hackle fibers trapped under the rope and
> sticking every which way, if you roped the hackle?
>
> *Everything you use as body-material and hackles is different,
> therefore experiment with each one & combination to see what you can
> achieve for looks, movement, color, feel, etc.  That’s what this whole
> exercise is about.  If you do only what you are used to and comfortable
> with, then it’s just a bugger-swap.  Look at your entire inventory of
> dubbings, chinelles, yarns, etc. and imagine combinations.  Use the
> palettes for new ideas. *
>
> or is that the point, to have them at variate lengths (due to being
> trapped under the rope) and to have the hackle fibers sticking at odd
> angles to the shank of the hook, all bushy-like?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *Either way, my friend. The problem with normally palmered hackle is that
> a tooth can easily cut the stem if it’s sitting on top of body material.
> If you want to palmer the hackle (the palmered look), then don’t pack the
> segments too tight as you wrap, and the hackle will slide down in between
> the segments, getting protection from teeth.  Don’t forget that you can use
> more than one hackle in the palmer, or even rope the hackle(s) by itself
> for density and durability.  Roping two different hackles (color, length)
> is another way to experiment with variations.One other point, when you
> rope forward a hackled rope, wrap with the right hand and pinch-sweep the
> hackles rearward with your left, once for each segment wrap. Time the wrap
> so that it sets down before you let go of the hackles.  This will avoid a
> bunch of hackles getting wrapped down.  This is especially important with
> long hackles, like marabous and speys. But you can also rope the hackle
> right in with the dubbing, creating a bushy appearance, like for a
> wooly-worm or Griffith’s gnat.  This is the most bullet-proof, and wrapping
> both onto bit tippet material makes for great salt-water flies.  Again,
> pinch-sweep the hackles back as you wrap.With some dubbings (not
> chenilles), rope the dubbing tight to gather it to the threads, then let
> off and let the rope unwind.  It will stay pretty tight to the thread now.
> Then join the hackle and re-rope, WATCHING what happens as you spin (use
> the material clip- much faster).  Make your adjustments on the tight
> thread, compressing the rope as needed to thicken the hackles.  The
> actual fly takes just moments to tie, but experimenting with the final
> looks may take you all evening. 

Re: [VFB] Testing, testing... Rope-buggers Picture Palettes

[Pete Gramp]

Hi, Don -
I have a question about hackle on your rope dubbed buggers.  I've been
tieing in the hackle by the tip at the curve of the hook bend, roping the
dubbing but keeping the hackle out of the rope, rope-dubbing the dubbing,
tieing off the rope-dubbed dubbing, then hackling palmered hackle (not
roped) in the creases made by the rope-dubbed dubbing.  But after reading
what you sent, it leads me to think that you actually rope the hackle
itself... can you speak to that?  First, whether you did rope the hackle,
second whether it is roped with the dubbing en masse, and third can you
speak a little to how this method actually is, well, how it works?  I can't
picture it happening - wouldn't you get a great deal of the hackle fibers
trapped under the rope and sticking every which way, if you roped the
hackle?  or is that the point, to have them at variate lengths (due to
being trapped under the rope) and to have the hackle fibers sticking at odd
angles to the shank of the hook, all bushy-like?  I suppose with flowing
spey hackle, it isn't as noticeable as with, say, dry fly hackle, but I'm
intrigued with this possibility for both instances (I realize we were
speaking of wooly buggers, which aren't exactly in the "dry fly" realm...
by any stretch... but I am asking more as technique than strictly for the
buggers).
Thanks, Don!
Keep on tyin'
-Pete

On Sat, Oct 14, 2017 at 11:06 AM, DonO  wrote:

> Mike and others,
>
> If you find one you like and can’t figure out the materials from enlarging
> the photo, tell me which fly you are looking at and I will post the
> recipe.  Then you can change colors to whatever you like.
> The important thing is to try to rope dub a new material, even if it is a
> cactus chenille or old chenille with new flash component.  Or you can
> submit a design with sets of different colors.  No rules, just fun and
> experimentation.
>
> I really like the looks of a spey feather (1 or more) roped in with
> dubbing or a chenille.  Really adds life to the design.  Black bugger- row
> 1 fly 1.  That would be a great steel-head fly in bright colors.
>
> I might do a few versions of that one for my swap-fly.
>
> DonO
>
> *From:* Michael Bliss 
> *Sent:* Saturday, October 14, 2017 8:19 AM
> *To:* vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: [VFB] Testing, testing... Rope-buggers Picture Palettes
>
> I got it and waiting for some additional instructions.  I found one I want
> to try.
> Mike
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 14, 2017, at 6:46 AM, DonO  wrote:
>
> Rope-buggers,
>
> Only got one reply on bugger palettes post.  Did it get through to
> everyone?
>
> DonO
>
> *From:* DonO 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 11, 2017 8:25 PM
> *To:* vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* [VFB] Rope-buggers Picture Palettes
>
> Wooly-bugger swappers:
>
> As I promised, here’s some choices of rope-dubbed wooly-buggers.  Sorry
> for the delay, home staging and visiting is a real routine-buster.
>
> These are samples showing how rope-dubbing can be used with different
> kinds of body materials, hackles, synthetics, furs, etc. to achieve
> different looks for different fishing.
> Pick one, zoom in, and see if you can re-create what I did as a rope-dub
> method.   A lot of styles are represented, so you may want to try something
> new for your box. Ask for materials if you can’t identify them.
>
> 
> 
>
> Hang on to your flies for a while before you send, as we just got an offer
> on the house and should contract this week.  Don’t know when we’ll actually
> move, so won’t know the address to send them to for a bit.  Latest closing
> date will be Jan 8th.  Will post my new address when we are ready.
>
>
> <-164674920514A3DCE2.png>
> 
> Rope-dub bugger-swap samples
> 
> VIEW SLIDE SHOW
> 
>  DOWNLOAD
> ALL
> 
> This album has 2 photos and will be available on OneDrive until 1/12/2018.
> <9611746251BC3195A.png>
> 
>
>
> DonO
>
>
>
>
> 
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[VFB] Mustad Bugger hook suggestions?

[Pete Gramp]

Howdy gang -
For being someone who prefers Mustad hooks, you would think that I'd know
this, but I sheepishly must admit that I simply don't fish buggers, and so
ask - I just won a free 100-pack of Mustad hooks in a raffle from our local
club (to obtain from our local shop) (along with some other tying
goodies).  What is the right hook model / appropriate hook model to use for
a wooly bugger?  Yes, yes - I know, I'm in the wooly bugger swap... I've
tied them before, albeit maybe not on the best choice of hook model, but I
want to challenge myself to actually tie more of them and gosh darn it,
actually fish one already after my 24+ years of fly fishing!  I'm thinking
the R73-9671 is what I'm after, but wanted to ask for people's opinion on
hook model.  Likely tying in size 8, assuming the shank is the appropriate
"wooly bugger streamer-length" long.
Thanks, everyone,
-Pete.

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Re: [Shaw Suspected Junk Email][VFB] Late 2017 swap intro

[Pete Gramp]

By "bugger" you mean that this is a wooly bugger swap, right?  If so, is
there room remaining?  The hardest part will be finding hackle of the right
size... I'm not used to tying much larger than a 12 these days, and my
hackle is mostly saddles with very few "big 'uns" for the wooly buggers.
Time to go to the shop for more hackle!!  As if I needed a reason...
Body would be a metallic green, pseudo-peacock herl... but a shade lighter
in color than the natural stuff, just barely.  Dubbing similar to ice dub,
but sourced from Fly Tyer's Dungeon (no affiliation, just stating the
source for the material).
Let me know if I'm in, please,
-Pete

On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 1:38 AM, Neville Gosling 
wrote:

> Ok, Count me in. I will do a pumpkinhead
>
> Neville (Nev) Gosling
>
>
> From: DonO  
> Reply: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com 
> 
> Date: August 29, 2017 at 8:10:08 AM
> To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com 
> 
> Subject:  [Shaw Suspected Junk Email][VFB] Late 2017 swap intro
>
> *Anyone up for a November or Dec. fly swap?* (after the season is over)
>
> I have an idea for 10 tiers.  Tie an easy fly design that I give- *a
> rope-dub bugger pattern*, and each swapper ties *one color* of it 10
> times. (I’ll post a collage of a wide range of styles)
>
> Each color can be a different size and embellished with flash, eyes,
> cones- whatever, but the bugger basic style must be maintained.  Since
> there are combination of colors, the selection would be infinite.  Natural
> furs count as colors.
>
> This would allow big bass buggers, trout buggers, panfish buggers, even
> pike and saltwater buggers. A chili-pepper would even pass.  But each color
> or combo must be by one tier, so there’s no repeats.
>
> I will post a picture palette of styles and colors to give some food for
> thought, and then *we tie one on*. Then we get to tying actual flies.
> (TUI flies are still acceptable)
>
> If this one runs over the number, that’s fine, since variations are
> endless and buggers work for everything.  I have salt-water rope-dub
> jack-buggers that are just killer in Florida bays. (Ask Jerry Goldsmith)
> Just a rope-dub (highly segmented, tapered) bugger tied with bite tippet
> with flash green and blue materials.
>
> I thought a *new twist* would be to post your pilot-pattern on VFB for a
> comment session to get thoughts.  Then if a VFBer wants to join or just
> post their comment or even their version (photo), that would make for a
> real fun swap with lots of participation that wouldn’t be time-consuming at
> all.
>
> Any takers?
>
> DonO
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[VFB] Health update

[Pete Gramp]

Well, they had me on the gurney for gallbladder removal surgery, and then
the surgeon reread the ultrasound and bloodwork and CT and so on, and
wanted more tests done (I think one is called HIDA, and there are two
others I won't pretend to be able to type out correctly)... so for those
who are aware, from my facebook close friends list, the surgery was
cancelled for the gallbladder removal, pending further tests.
On the up-side of things, the surgeon poked and prodded all over my gut
with just his gloved hands, and now this may be a placebo effect at its
finest, but after 2 months of pain and uncertainty what it was, to be
without any pain there, hey I'll take it!  It makes absolutely no logical
sense to me how simply poking in my belly is going to make the pain stop,
but indeed it did (maybe I had gas...haha) but seriously, I have no
explanation for it - yet there it is, two days since he poked for a good 2
or 3 minutes straight, and now no pain.  Like I said, I'm chalking it up to
mind over matter, as in my mind playing tricks on me, but hey, I'll take no
pain over the pain I had any day!  Now don't get me wrong, we still want to
figure out what caused the pain in the first place, and what's up, but I
thank my Lord for this blessing of no pain, and that I didn't have to go
under the knife!

Just wanted to let those of you who may not have heard, know about this
update.
Oh, and to keep it related... Fishing trip to Manchester VT and then
Oakland/ Waterville ME (both USA) is still scheduled for 2 weeks in July,
(if near either location, private message me if you'd like to get together
and/or if you can recommend fishing locations to go it alone with extremely
mild wading conditions, preferably from the banks/ shoreline of the streams
and rivers for trout and the likes) and hopefully this mess doesn't keep
our family from that vacation / holiday.

Hope this finds all of you well,
-Pete

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Re: [VFB] Substitute for Tiemco 2499SP-BL?

[Pete Gramp]

Sounds very cool - and much more in my price range.  I'll try a 25 pack out
to test out the hooks, and if I like them (which I suspect I will) I can
always get a 100-pack at a later date.  Truth be told, I'm a sucker for the
packaging, and I like the idea of the hook holder that the 25-pack comes
in, so that is part of why I'm starting out with a 25 pack haha.  Many
thanks for the suggestion, much appreciated - I hadn't heard of these
stealth hooks prior to now.
Thanks again,
-Pete

On Mon, May 29, 2017 at 11:12 AM, Joyce M Westphal <joyce...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Must add, in my opinion, these Stealth hooks are a better hook all around.
> They increase in hook length and depth as the hook size increases,
> geometrically scientifically set up, and are the sharpest hooks I have ever
> used, and I've used a lot of hooks.They are also the strongest hooks I have
> ever used.  Check them out and read about them on the Stealth hook home
> page.
> I often tie the Nitro caddis with a greenish/brown core braid, a purple
> glass bead for the bead and tiny starling feathers for the wing pads when I
> am lazy and don't want to cut the sheeting wing pads. BTW, if you have a
> set of cutters for small upright dry wings, you can use that wing cutter to
> do the medallion sheeting wing pads..works really well and you can knock
> out several dozen in very little time.
>
> On Mon, May 29, 2017 at 8:50 AM, Joyce M Westphal <joyce...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I tie these on a Stealth C10 hook, 100 cost $25.99 so cost 25 cents
>> apiece,  and also on Mustad caddis hooks, cheaper,  and find no difference
>> in fishability or catching quality. I do crush the barbs.  You can find
>> them here:
>> http://www.stealth.fish/products/100packs/.  I think that the black
>> hooks really do seem to work better on these Nitro Caddis when there is
>> bright sunlight as the black hook eliminates the glare from the sun.  This
>> is just my opinion.  I buy mine from Eddie Robinson's flyfishing shop in
>> Orem Ut.  The neat thing about these hooks, if you only want to purchase
>> 25, is that you can get them in a great plastic box with a lift out hook
>> holder that is great to simply take out and sit on the bench.  At any rate,
>> check out the Stealth flyfishing hook page just for fun.
>>
>> On Mon, May 29, 2017 at 8:23 AM, Pete Gramp <pete.gr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Does anyone on this list know of a cheaper alternative, or similar hook,
>>> to the Tiemco (TMC) 2499SP-BL?  I saw the "Nitro Caddis Pupae" on
>>> www.intheriffle.com and would like to make a batch up, but I don't know
>>> that a standard curved scud hook will do the trick or not.  the 2499SP-BL
>>> is 3x heavy, 2x short, 3x wide, at least according to one site I found them
>>> on... though it was in a foreign language so I don't know if I was reading
>>> that correctly or not.  One seller on amazon said it is 2x heavy, 3x wide,
>>> 2x short, so I may go with those specs.  Either way, it isn't exactly a
>>> standard scud, or a rounded-out klinkhammer hook either.  A substitute
>>> could have a hook barb, I can crush barbs like the best of them, that isn't
>>> a problem, it doesn't have to be barbless if it saves a few bucks.  I just
>>> can't pull the trigger to spend 12 bucks on 25 hooks for these, but maybe
>>> it's just been so long since I've bought hooks that this is the going price
>>> now... I've been fortunate to have stocked up on literal thousands of hooks
>>> about a decade ago, and haven't had to buy hooks in ages... so the price of
>>> a hook may have gone up from what I remember it being back then...
>>>
>>> Someone set me straight, if this is the going price of hooks these days,
>>> but I'm a cheapskate looking for a cheaper price and thought hooks were
>>> less than 48 cents US a piece.  I realize it was 10 or 11 years ago, but I
>>> bought mine at a little under half that price.  Has prices escalated that
>>> much in 10 years, or is it because of the special nature of the hook, or
>>> something else I'm not thinking of?
>>>
>>> Thanks for any help you have, and tight wraps,
>>> -Pete
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[VFB] Substitute for Tiemco 2499SP-BL?

[Pete Gramp]

Does anyone on this list know of a cheaper alternative, or similar hook, to
the Tiemco (TMC) 2499SP-BL?  I saw the "Nitro Caddis Pupae" on
www.intheriffle.com and would like to make a batch up, but I don't know
that a standard curved scud hook will do the trick or not.  the 2499SP-BL
is 3x heavy, 2x short, 3x wide, at least according to one site I found them
on... though it was in a foreign language so I don't know if I was reading
that correctly or not.  One seller on amazon said it is 2x heavy, 3x wide,
2x short, so I may go with those specs.  Either way, it isn't exactly a
standard scud, or a rounded-out klinkhammer hook either.  A substitute
could have a hook barb, I can crush barbs like the best of them, that isn't
a problem, it doesn't have to be barbless if it saves a few bucks.  I just
can't pull the trigger to spend 12 bucks on 25 hooks for these, but maybe
it's just been so long since I've bought hooks that this is the going price
now... I've been fortunate to have stocked up on literal thousands of hooks
about a decade ago, and haven't had to buy hooks in ages... so the price of
a hook may have gone up from what I remember it being back then...

Someone set me straight, if this is the going price of hooks these days,
but I'm a cheapskate looking for a cheaper price and thought hooks were
less than 48 cents US a piece.  I realize it was 10 or 11 years ago, but I
bought mine at a little under half that price.  Has prices escalated that
much in 10 years, or is it because of the special nature of the hook, or
something else I'm not thinking of?

Thanks for any help you have, and tight wraps,
-Pete

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Re: [VFB] SWAPS both sent out today

[Pete Gramp]

As busy as I have been at work with the 18hr shifts (I'm in
biopharmaceuticals/ health sector), during the times I'm willing to fish (I
don't fish when dark, personal preference and there's some safety-related
reasons involved as well - sleep deprived and wading in the dark makes for
bad situations), I have always found time to tie flies during my off-work
time, albeit sometimes only one or a few flies at a time.

Having started out in this great sport by tying at the age of 14, and not
picking up a fly rod until my college years, I did things a little
backwards from the traditional progression of things, and so I must confess
that I get as much, if not more, pleasure out of the act of tying for the
pure fact of tying for tying's sake, compared to the fishing act.  Don't
get me wrong, I covet my days on the water, and love catch and releasing a
good trout just like the next guy.  But for me, tying is my daily reprieve
from the stresses of life, that can be done at any time of the day.

There's three things I always make time for in life: firstly, spending time
in the Word, with my God, secondly spending time with my wife and kids, and
thirdly, tying at least one fly a day, in that order.  I think of tying
flies as a sort of mental therapy, without which I would be a mess; it
calms me unlike any other activity could, gives me clarity and focus in my
world, and the way I go through materials, it costs about the same as a
therapist would :)

Perhaps each of you share the same sentiment on tying, perhaps not and
fishing itself is where it is at for you, but I am just glad that we can
share our love of this fine sport together.

-Pete

On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 7:31 AM, Peggy Brenner <ladyflyt...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Everyone did a pretty good job.  One of the things about swaps is you will
> always get to busy at work to enjoy tying them.  I'm so glad I got to
> retire when we did, things have changed in the last 2 years so it's no
> longer enjoyable for those still in the forces.
>
> Peggy
>
> On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 5:37 AM, Pete Gramp <pete.gr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Work has kept me from posting about this until now (job security, but
>> man-oh-man the hours are killer!  Still have yet to be on the water this
>> season...), but I received a set of wonderful flies for the dry fly swap -
>> except for that one that I got back tied by myself.  I'll use that one to
>> get the fish to laugh so hard that I can scoop then up while they're
>> distracted with their laughter.
>> ...Or something like that...
>>
>> All kidding aside, well done, everyone.  I can't wait to copy these!
>>
>> Oh, and I must confess, I took some liberties with materials on my fly,
>> compared to the original pattern, or at least the pattern as it exists in
>> its current state as *considered* to be "original", but I tried my best
>> to keep the general idea, and impression given by the materials the same
>> (i.e. speckled CDL tail in place of "darkly speckled champagne spade hackle
>> tail", and a single strand of embroidery thread wrapped 6 times used in
>> place of "a tag of six wraps tightly corded, sparse and defuzzed, thread
>> made of pig wool, of color muted brown with olive").  Send to me off-list
>> if you want the so-called / considered original recipe, and let me know
>> where you acquire such materials if you have a source for them.
>>
>> The recipe is one handed down through the generations on my maternal
>> side, which is in fact Clan Campbell of Cawdor (Scotland), and I do not
>> know how "authentic" the recipe I have is, that is, how true to the
>> original it is (it has had something like 13 generations of 'whisper down
>> the lane', and I don't doubt that it started as a wet fly and ended up as
>> the dry fly it is today much later down the line), but it is still a neat
>> little pattern to tie up.  And it catches fish!
>>
>> Thanks for putting up with my circumlocution about this family fly, and
>> let me know off-list if you want more info about it.
>> .
>> Tight lines,
>> -Pete
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 3:23 PM, Rene Zillmann <rene.zillm...@t-online.de
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> All,
>>>
>>> got mine yesterday.
>>>
>>> Great flies, thanks to all, who participated. A lot of flies to copy...
>>>
>>> Best
>>>
>>> Rene
>>>
>>> On 04/15/2017 09:48 PM, Phxflytyer wrote:
>>>
>>> Any Peggy, just a short couple of hours south of Mike, I am in Mesa AZ.
>>> Plenty of good fishing here also.
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> Thank You,
>>

Re: [VFB] SWAPS both sent out today

[Pete Gramp]

Work has kept me from posting about this until now (job security, but
man-oh-man the hours are killer!  Still have yet to be on the water this
season...), but I received a set of wonderful flies for the dry fly swap -
except for that one that I got back tied by myself.  I'll use that one to
get the fish to laugh so hard that I can scoop then up while they're
distracted with their laughter.
...Or something like that...

All kidding aside, well done, everyone.  I can't wait to copy these!

Oh, and I must confess, I took some liberties with materials on my fly,
compared to the original pattern, or at least the pattern as it exists in
its current state as *considered* to be "original", but I tried my best to
keep the general idea, and impression given by the materials the same (i.e.
speckled CDL tail in place of "darkly speckled champagne spade hackle
tail", and a single strand of embroidery thread wrapped 6 times used in
place of "a tag of six wraps tightly corded, sparse and defuzzed, thread
made of pig wool, of color muted brown with olive").  Send to me off-list
if you want the so-called / considered original recipe, and let me know
where you acquire such materials if you have a source for them.

The recipe is one handed down through the generations on my maternal side,
which is in fact Clan Campbell of Cawdor (Scotland), and I do not know how
"authentic" the recipe I have is, that is, how true to the original it is
(it has had something like 13 generations of 'whisper down the lane', and I
don't doubt that it started as a wet fly and ended up as the dry fly it is
today much later down the line), but it is still a neat little pattern to
tie up.  And it catches fish!

Thanks for putting up with my circumlocution about this family fly, and let
me know off-list if you want more info about it.
.
Tight lines,
-Pete


On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 3:23 PM, Rene Zillmann 
wrote:

> All,
>
> got mine yesterday.
>
> Great flies, thanks to all, who participated. A lot of flies to copy...
>
> Best
>
> Rene
>
> On 04/15/2017 09:48 PM, Phxflytyer wrote:
>
> Any Peggy, just a short couple of hours south of Mike, I am in Mesa AZ.
> Plenty of good fishing here also.
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> Thank You,
> Alan Di Somma
> Phoenix, AZ.
>
> Some mistakes are just too much fun to make only once.
>
>
>
> On Apr 15, 2017, at 12:40 PM, Michael Bliss  wrote:
>
> Received my dry and streamer flies today.  Thanks again to Peggy  and to
> all the tyers.  Ya'll did a mighty fine job.
>
> And Peggy if you get close to us here in Utah on your travels let us know
> and maybe we can wet a line together.
>
> Mike
>
> On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 9:09 PM, Allan Fish  wrote:
>
>> On 4/13/17 10:23 PM, Phxflytyer wrote:
>>
>>> I ignored your fly if that will make you feel better?
>>>
>>
>> Thank you!
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Re: [VFB] #32 Mustad Royal Coachman Video in the making

[Pete Gramp]

I see your point (barely, I mean, they *are* size 32s after all), between
Tiemco and Mustad 32s in size difference, but in my view, either one is a
challenge that is something beyond my grasp - at least for any time in the
foreseeable future - and tying on either one is something worthy of
admiration.  To tie on the smaller of the two, I guess the Mustad correct?,
would indeed be far more challenging, but that does not mean that the
Tiemco is by any means "easy to tie on".  Like I stated before, I've only
ever tied down to 26's and even that was a challenge for my big mitts and
failing eyes.

DonO - You mentioned that you tied on a blind eye / naked eye hook, yet the
two hooks in Nick's picture appear to have eyes.  Am I missing something?
Is the hook you used eye-less, or am I misunderstanding your use of the
words "naked eye", or is the hook not a Mustad or Tiemco, or is there some
other situation I'm just not thinking of?

Can't wait to see that video!
-Pete


On Tue, Apr 4, 2017 at 2:23 AM, Niclas (Gmail) 
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>
> *"Jack,*
> *Are those #32 Tiemco or #32 Mustad?Big/Tiny difference."*
>
> Picture illustrates what Don means with that... Tiemco #32 around Mustad
> #32.
>
> /Nick
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 4, 2017 at 6:44 AM, Michael Bliss 
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>
>> Post the url when you are done.  It should be fun to watch
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 1, 2017 at 10:59 PM, DonO  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Well, I surprised myself. My old eyeballs are still up to it.  3 -naked
>>> eye #32 RCs.
>>>
>>> [image: P1010094][image: OLYMPUS DIGITAL CAMERA][image: P1010138]
>>> [image: P1010084][image: P1010088]
>>>
>>> Making a tying video for You tube, worked on it today.  Should post next
>>> week. Technically difficult to film.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> DonO
>>>
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Re: [VFB] #32 Mustad Royal Coachman Video in the making

[Pete Gramp]

I am anxiously awaiting that video - I can'r say I've ever tied anything
smaller than 26, mostly because I never felt that fish would take anything
smaller, but I admit also because my skill level just isn't there for it.
I can hardly fathom tying a 32 of any type (tiemco, mustad, any type), much
less a naked/ blind eye!

I've used caenis thread on 26's, and that was "big" thread for those (in my
opinion), I can't imagine the special materials you had to procure to tie
that small of a fly.  Any insights into the materials - were any "unusual"
or special for the task?

Well done my friend!
-Pete

On Sun, Apr 2, 2017 at 3:06 AM, Hans Weilenmann 
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> Technically difficult to film would be right. Well done, m'friend. Looking
> forward to the video.
>
> Cheers,
> Hans
> Nearsighted Flytiers United
>
>
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>>
>>
>> Well, I surprised myself. My old eyeballs are still up to it.  3 -naked
>> eye #32 RCs.
>>
>> [image: P1010094][image: OLYMPUS DIGITAL CAMERA][image: P1010138]
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Re: [VFB] Intruducing Stella Jean Haywood

[Pete Gramp]

So when are you taking her fly fishing?  Have to start them young, I
hear... ;)  Just kidding, of course, and congrats on a beautiful grandchild.
-Pete

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> Folks: My fifth grand child, the soo beautiful (as are
> all my grand kids LOL.. I know, I know, I’m prejudiced) Stella Jean Haywood
> was born at 2:01 yesterday at 6 pounds, 12 ounces, 19 inches, and most
> importantly, perfectly health so far. She is sooo beautiful. You can see
> that LONG, THICK dark brown curly hair in the pic. Sorry this pic is a
> little blurry as it was taken with a phone, but I have over 500 other pics
> of her (so far LOL) taken with my good camera. Going back to the hospital
> shortly and she and my daughter are supposed to come home tomorrow. Chuck
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Re: [VFB] Dry Fly Swap Update 2/21/2017

[Pete Gramp]

Mine are hitting the mailbox on my next trip into town saturday.
-Pete

On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 12:46 AM, J Balmer <jbal...@betadigm.com> wrote:

> My Almost Duns were before the streamers. Hopefully you'll have them soon.
>
> J
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> > I have a couple of sets missing, but not to worry, I'd like to photograph
> >  the flies and post them up this time. We have some members who for age
> > related reasons can't tie any longer so it will be fun to brighten a day
> > with a show and tell.
> >
> > Let's do Classic Dry Flies, tyers choice of pattern.  I'm limiting to 10
> > participants with flies due February 15, 2017
> >
> > 1. Peggy Brenner
> > 2  Martin Westbeek-ARRIVED
> > 3  Allan Fish - ARRIVED
> > 4 Don Ordes-ARRIVED
> > 5  Mike Bliss-ARRIVED
> > 6  Pete Gramp
> > 7  Wayne Blake-Hedges  Hendrickson dry
> > 8J Balmer
> > 9  Rick Zieger ARRIVED -
> > 10  Jack Harford -ARRIVED
> > 11 Bob Hendry
> > 12 Rene Zillmann-ARRIVED
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Re: [VFB] Dry Fly Swap update 2/1/2017

[Pete Gramp]

Tying mine up on Saturday when at the in-laws' place... they're fine with
it, even promote the tying. (I have the best in-laws ever!)  Likely doing
size 14 klinkhammers with a sighter / indicator post, as a challenge to
myself to get the proportions right, but if I can get the time to tie a
dozen of a more "traditional" / "classic" pattern as well, after those,
then I'll toss in an extra dozen from Mike Valla's "dry fly box" book...
but in the interest of time, I'm focusing on just getting the Klinkhammers
done first and we'll go from there.  I mean, I don't want to hold up the
swap, but if I can crank out 2 dozen over the weekend, which should be no
problem, then that's what I'll do.
Thanks!
-Pete

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> Subject: [VFB] Dry Fly Swap is CLOSED
>  To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
>  Date: Thursday, October 20, 2016, 6:06 AM
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>  Everyone
>  agreed to 12 for Dry Flies, if you send your pattern to
> ladyflyt...@gmail.com
>  I'll make up a list and send final details!
>
>  Let's do Classic Dry Flies, tyers choice of pattern.
>  I'm limiting to 10 participants with flies due February
>  15, 2017
>
>  1. Peggy Brenner BWO
>  2  Martin Westbeek
>  3  Allan Fish -
>  4 Don Ordes
>  5  Mike Bliss-Pheasant Tail Dry - ARRIVED
>  6  Pete Gramp
>  7  Wayne Blake-Hedges  Hendrickson dry
>  8J Balmer
>  9  Rick Zieger-ARRIVED
>  10  Jack Harford
>  11 Bob Hendry
>  12 Rene Zillmann Pont d'Audemer-
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Re: [VFB] White Gloved Howdys

[Pete Gramp]

Hi, Buck -
The article didn't seem to come through, but I'll check out that link in a
moment here.
Thanks!
-Pete

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> Pete
>
> Found this article on the white gloved howdys.   The magazine is called
> "Michigan Trout".
> in the summer edition of 2015.  Pages 5 & 15.  Or you could go to:
> www.michigantu.org
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> Just thought it might help..
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[VFB] Hank Roberts White Gloved Howdy?

[Pete Gramp]

Anyone ever hear of a pattern called a "Hank Roberts White Gloved Howdy"?

Passed by my local pond and saw another fly fisher there (rare) just
reeling them in (very rare), hand over foot, thankfully catch and releasing
or I'd need to find myself a new local pond to fish - he was catching that
many - but when I stopped by to ask what he was using, he gave a sly grin
and said an older pattern called the "Hank Roberts White Gloved Howdy".  I
shouldn't be as surprised as I am, but seeing as it was a fellow who looked
fresh out of puberty, pimples and all, I was a bit surprised he was using
an older pattern.  He never did let me get a look at the fly, so I'm on a
"quest" of sorts, to find a pattern recipe and example photo to get an idea
of what the end product should look like and how to tie it.

Thanks, gang, any help is appreciated!
-Pete

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Re: [VFB] Lively legz

[Pete Gramp]

Apologies, I didn't mean for it to come out poorly, I meant no disrespect.
Only wanted to see if we were speaking of the same thing is all.

I've used hopper legs from River Roads and have had great success with
them, when tied as hopper legs.  I think I'll give it a try for tying in
foam, short, to make nymph legs from them.  I'm always open to new ideas
and I admit I never would have thought of that had you not mentioned it.

Ever learning, with plenty more yet to learn,
-Pete


On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 1:27 PM, Joyce Westphal <joyce...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I just cut them to my liking. My fish do not seem to care. This is not to
> say that your lively legs may not work better. Joyce
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Nov 29, 2016, at 8:37 AM, Pete Gramp <pete.gr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> These Lively Legz are meant for nymphs, I believe, not hoppers, with all
> due respect.  Perhaps we're speaking of two different products / leg types?
>  http://livelylegz.com/collections/lively-legz shows what they look like.
> Respectfully,
> -Pete
>
> On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 7:21 PM, Joyce M Westphal <joyce...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I find hoppers work the best in early fall, end of July, first of August,
>> and then fished right along the banks, never in the middle of the stream
>> for me. Joyce
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 1:53 PM, Michael Bliss <flyfish...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Let me know.  I am going to look for some sheets of silicon.  I have the
>>> foam sheets and now to get the cutters.  Have you fished hoppers much in
>>> Utah?  I have only had limited success.
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 3:48 AM, Joyce M Westphal <joyce...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I use the 2 mm foam sheets and mark them with Permapen to my liking,
>>>> usually with spots. I am going to experiment with the sheets you use for
>>>> the backs of the nymphs and also with the slick Baxter IV bag material.
>>>> This will take place after the Christmas fly boxes are finished..only 5
>>>> dozen more flies to go.  I will let  you know how the IV bag ones work
>>>> after I've tried it. The material of the bags is very similar to Thin Skin.
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 8:55 PM, Michael Bliss <flyfish...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Joyce,
>>>>> What do you use as material?  Foam?  If Silicon which I like best
>>>>> where do you get the sheets?
>>>>>
>>>>> Mike
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 7:37 AM, Joyce M Westphal <joyce...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> These are great. If you wish to create your own, you can get leg
>>>>>> cutters that work extremely well here. http://riverroadcreation
>>>>>> s.com/HopperLegs.htm J
>>>>>> A complete set costs $39.95 and you can use whatever foam color,
>>>>>> touched up with Permapen you wish. Or, as Pete says, you can buy them 
>>>>>> from
>>>>>> Lively Legz pre-made. I agree with him, legs on my flies seem to add a 
>>>>>> bit
>>>>>> more action in this form than simple knotted legs.
>>>>>> Thanks for the update. Joyce
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 5:43 AM, Pete Gramp <pete.gr...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anybody heard of these "Lively Legz" before?  it is a synthetic
>>>>>>> product kind of like a silicone, similar to the legs that J:Son puts 
>>>>>>> out as
>>>>>>> nymph legs, but (strictly in my opinion, and not to knock J:Son) I
>>>>>>> personally find them easier to work with, and for me where I'm located
>>>>>>> they're cheaper per fly than J:Son.  Plus, being from Pennsylvania, 
>>>>>>> USA, I
>>>>>>> have to support folks from my own state haha.  Seriously though, no
>>>>>>> affiliation to them, save for being a ridiculously happy customer, I
>>>>>>> absolutely love these things, and I find the purple flake color to have
>>>>>>> increased my fish catching rates, when nymphing.  Maybe it is just my 
>>>>>>> added
>>>>>>> confidence in fishing these, I'll give you that, but it seems to have 
>>>>>>> h

Re: [VFB] Lively legz

[Pete Gramp]

These Lively Legz are meant for nymphs, I believe, not hoppers, with all
due respect.  Perhaps we're speaking of two different products / leg types?
 http://livelylegz.com/collections/lively-legz shows what they look like.
Respectfully,
-Pete

On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 7:21 PM, Joyce M Westphal <joyce...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> I find hoppers work the best in early fall, end of July, first of August,
> and then fished right along the banks, never in the middle of the stream
> for me. Joyce
>
> On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 1:53 PM, Michael Bliss <flyfish...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Let me know.  I am going to look for some sheets of silicon.  I have the
>> foam sheets and now to get the cutters.  Have you fished hoppers much in
>> Utah?  I have only had limited success.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 3:48 AM, Joyce M Westphal <joyce...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I use the 2 mm foam sheets and mark them with Permapen to my liking,
>>> usually with spots. I am going to experiment with the sheets you use for
>>> the backs of the nymphs and also with the slick Baxter IV bag material.
>>> This will take place after the Christmas fly boxes are finished..only 5
>>> dozen more flies to go.  I will let  you know how the IV bag ones work
>>> after I've tried it. The material of the bags is very similar to Thin Skin.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 8:55 PM, Michael Bliss <flyfish...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Joyce,
>>>> What do you use as material?  Foam?  If Silicon which I like best where
>>>> do you get the sheets?
>>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 7:37 AM, Joyce M Westphal <joyce...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> These are great. If you wish to create your own, you can get leg
>>>>> cutters that work extremely well here. http://riverroadcreation
>>>>> s.com/HopperLegs.htm J
>>>>> A complete set costs $39.95 and you can use whatever foam color,
>>>>> touched up with Permapen you wish. Or, as Pete says, you can buy them from
>>>>> Lively Legz pre-made. I agree with him, legs on my flies seem to add a bit
>>>>> more action in this form than simple knotted legs.
>>>>> Thanks for the update. Joyce
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 5:43 AM, Pete Gramp <pete.gr...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Anybody heard of these "Lively Legz" before?  it is a synthetic
>>>>>> product kind of like a silicone, similar to the legs that J:Son puts out 
>>>>>> as
>>>>>> nymph legs, but (strictly in my opinion, and not to knock J:Son) I
>>>>>> personally find them easier to work with, and for me where I'm located
>>>>>> they're cheaper per fly than J:Son.  Plus, being from Pennsylvania, USA, 
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> have to support folks from my own state haha.  Seriously though, no
>>>>>> affiliation to them, save for being a ridiculously happy customer, I
>>>>>> absolutely love these things, and I find the purple flake color to have
>>>>>> increased my fish catching rates, when nymphing.  Maybe it is just my 
>>>>>> added
>>>>>> confidence in fishing these, I'll give you that, but it seems to have 
>>>>>> had a
>>>>>> positive impact.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If anyone wants to try one or two for tying, or if anyone wants a fly
>>>>>> tied by me (I'm not a professional, but I'll do my best), just send an
>>>>>> email off-list.  I won't promise it'll be tomorrow that I get to tying 
>>>>>> them
>>>>>> up for you, honestly, but it will be soon, and I think you'll like the
>>>>>> results.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Again, not meant as an ad for them, and I have no affiliation with
>>>>>> them.  Just want to let folks see how awesome these things are.  They 
>>>>>> are a
>>>>>> game changer for my nymphs, and I now tie my nymphs with these legs 
>>>>>> almost
>>>>>> exclusively.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hope I didn't break any list rules by the offer, or by raving about
>>>>>> the product,
>>>>>> -Pete
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --

[VFB] Re: Lively legz

[Pete Gramp]

Two people asked for a link, off-list, so I'll provide it here - hopefully
that's ok?
http://livelylegz.com/collections/lively-legz

Again, no affiliation, I don't get a cut or anything, and my offer for free
legs for the "cost" of either emailed pictures of flies tied with them,
and/or emailed recipes of flies tied with them, is still open.  I'm just
providing this info to those interested.
Thanks, and hopefully I'm not out of line in sending these emails,
-Pete


On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 7:43 AM, Pete Gramp <pete.gr...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Anybody heard of these "Lively Legz" before?  it is a synthetic product
> kind of like a silicone, similar to the legs that J:Son puts out as nymph
> legs, but (strictly in my opinion, and not to knock J:Son) I personally
> find them easier to work with, and for me where I'm located they're cheaper
> per fly than J:Son.  Plus, being from Pennsylvania, USA, I have to support
> folks from my own state haha.  Seriously though, no affiliation to them,
> save for being a ridiculously happy customer, I absolutely love these
> things, and I find the purple flake color to have increased my fish
> catching rates, when nymphing.  Maybe it is just my added confidence in
> fishing these, I'll give you that, but it seems to have had a positive
> impact.
>
> If anyone wants to try one or two for tying, or if anyone wants a fly tied
> by me (I'm not a professional, but I'll do my best), just send an email
> off-list.  I won't promise it'll be tomorrow that I get to tying them up
> for you, honestly, but it will be soon, and I think you'll like the results.
>
> Again, not meant as an ad for them, and I have no affiliation with them.
> Just want to let folks see how awesome these things are.  They are a game
> changer for my nymphs, and I now tie my nymphs with these legs almost
> exclusively.
>
> Hope I didn't break any list rules by the offer, or by raving about the
> product,
> -Pete
>

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Re: [VFB] Classic Dry flies 10/19 update IMPORTANT

[Pete Gramp]

I'm still in at 12.
Thanks,
-Pete

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> It dozen matter to me either, even.
>
> DonO
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> *From:* 'Wayne Blake-Hedges' via VFB Mail <vfb-mail@googlegroups.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 19, 2016 7:22 PM
> *To:* vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: [VFB] Classic Dry flies 10/19 update IMPORTANT
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> 12 is fine with me.
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> Wayneb
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> On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 11:57 AM, Peggy Brenner
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> I have 12 members who wnat to be in the Dry fly swap, is 12 ok with
> everyone in the swap and we call it closed!
>
> Let's do Classic Dry Flies, tyers choice of pattern.  I'm limiting to 10
> participants with flies due February 15, 2017
>
> 1. Peggy Brenner
> 2  Martin Westbeek
> 3  Tony Spezio
> 4 Don Ordes
> 5  Mike Bliss
> 6  Pete Gramp
> 7  Wayne Blake-Hedges  Hendrickson dry
> 8J Balmer
> 9  Rick Zieger
> 10  Jack Harford
> 11 Bob Hendry
> Rene Zillmann
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Re: [VFB] Dry Fly Swap

[Pete Gramp]

Is a klinkhammer qualified as a classic dry?  Been trying to get my
proportions down better for the thorax spacing on those and thought this
swap would be a good opportunity to challenge that.  If not, then I'll tie
up an intentionally over-hackled fast-water thorax dun that has been quite
productive for me, with a synthetic dubbing I created from scratch.  Either
way I'm in (just one entry for 10 flies), but let me know if the
Klinkhammer is ok or not, please.
Thanks,
-Pete
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On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 11:56 PM, Michael Bliss 
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> I am in.
>
> Mike Bliss
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> On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 12:54 PM, Peggy Brenner 
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>> Let's do Classic Dry Flies, tyers choice of pattern.  I'm limiting to 10
>> participants with flies due February 15, 2017
>>
>> 1. Peggy Brenner
>> 2
>> 3
>> 4
>> 5
>> 6
>> 7
>> 8
>> 9
>> 10
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Re: [VFB] Swap

[Pete Gramp]

I'm interested in a dry fly swap.  Personal preference is that I would
prefer if not kept to classics, and I reserve my official "signing up for
it" until I know how many I would need to tie up... more than 12 or so and
I'd have to think twice about it to make sure I'd be able to meet deadlines
- Don't want to be "that guy"...  But I am interested, if you're planning
on hosting this and the fly count is a dozen or so..
-Pete

On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 4:23 AM, Rene Zillmann 
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> Hi Peggy,
>
> I vote for a dry fly swap. Maybe classic dry fly.
>
> Everybody who participates lists a classic pattern, and you are doing a
> sort of lottery and are selecting a pattern for each.
>
> Can be US or European pattern.
>
> Rene
>
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> On 10/13/2016 12:46 AM, Peggy Brenner wrote:
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> It's been a while since we had a swap, so I was thinking we are staying
> home this winter, no south for us. Instead we are going west for 5-6 months
> next spring to fall.
>
> I'm thinking a favorite fly swap or a Sowbug 20th anniversary swap.
> Ideas??
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Re: [VFB] Sparse Grey Matter Fly Tying Festival?

[Pete Gramp]

I did.  That's a very kind offer of yours, but totally unnecessary.  That
said, can someone tell me when the next Sowbug is in 2017 please?  Would
like to know how long I have to save for it.
Thanks all,
-Pete


On Sat, Oct 8, 2016 at 12:35 PM, DonO <f...@tribcsp.com> wrote:

> Pete,
> Sent you an email to your personal address. Did you get it?
> DonO
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>
> *From:* Pete Gramp <pete.gr...@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 06, 2016 3:12 AM
> *To:* vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: [VFB] Sparse Grey Matter Fly Tying Festival?
>
> I would love to come to the Sowbug, believe me, but funds being what they
> are, it isn't going to work out for coming from PA to Sowbug this year.  I
> was asking about the Sparse Grey Matter show in NJ because it would be less
> than 2 hrs drive time and my wife could drive my son and I to and from,
> with kids in tow (the blasted seizures put a damper on driving myself,
> and/or on flying as is the case to Mountain Home).  Something to think
> about for the future, though, thee Sowbug I mean.
> All the best,
> -Pete
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 5, 2016 at 9:41 AM, 'Anthony Spezio' via VFB Mail <
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>> The Sowbug show will be celebrating 20 years in 2017. It will be a
>> special show. We would love to have you as a tyer. We expect to have over
>> 140 tyers for the three day show.
>> Tony
>> 
>> On Wed, 10/5/16, Pete Gramp <pete.gr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Subject: [VFB] Sparse Grey Matter Fly Tying Festival?
>> To: "vfb-mail@googlegroups.com" <vfb-mail@googlegroups.com>
>> Date: Wednesday, October 5, 2016, 4:47 AM
>>
>> I was cruising the
>> net and heard of a fly tying event called the "Sparse
>> Grey Matter Fly Tying Festival" somewhere in New
>> Jersey, USA that is held annually (assuming it is still
>> going on?) and the video I saw was from 2012.  Does anyone
>> know, first, is this still something that is going on, and
>> second, where can I find details for the 2017 festival /
>> show?  New Jersey isn't too far from where I'm at,
>> here in PA, and I tend to favor the tying-themed, as opposed
>> to fishing-themed, shows. Plus it could be yet another show
>> to add to my growing list of shows to attend.  Going to try
>> to make the November Somersett International Fly Tying
>> convention,  the other 2017 somersett show, and the
>> Lancaster PA march 2017 show.  Yep, it is only the start of
>> fall here, and I'm already itching for the shows.
>> Unfortunately, funds are keeping me from the Sowbug this
>> year, yet again.  On my bucket list, one of these
>> years.Thanks for any info on the "Sparse Grey
>> Matter Fly Tying Festival",-Pete
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Re: [VFB] Sparse Grey Matter Fly Tying Festival?

[Pete Gramp]

I would love to come to the Sowbug, believe me, but funds being what they
are, it isn't going to work out for coming from PA to Sowbug this year.  I
was asking about the Sparse Grey Matter show in NJ because it would be less
than 2 hrs drive time and my wife could drive my son and I to and from,
with kids in tow (the blasted seizures put a damper on driving myself,
and/or on flying as is the case to Mountain Home).  Something to think
about for the future, though, thee Sowbug I mean.
All the best,
-Pete


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> The Sowbug show will be celebrating 20 years in 2017. It will be a special
> show. We would love to have you as a tyer. We expect to have over 140 tyers
> for the three day show.
> Tony
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>
>  Subject: [VFB] Sparse Grey Matter Fly Tying Festival?
>  To: "vfb-mail@googlegroups.com" <vfb-mail@googlegroups.com>
>  Date: Wednesday, October 5, 2016, 4:47 AM
>
>  I was cruising the
>  net and heard of a fly tying event called the "Sparse
>  Grey Matter Fly Tying Festival" somewhere in New
>  Jersey, USA that is held annually (assuming it is still
>  going on?) and the video I saw was from 2012.  Does anyone
>  know, first, is this still something that is going on, and
>  second, where can I find details for the 2017 festival /
>  show?  New Jersey isn't too far from where I'm at,
>  here in PA, and I tend to favor the tying-themed, as opposed
>  to fishing-themed, shows. Plus it could be yet another show
>  to add to my growing list of shows to attend.  Going to try
>  to make the November Somersett International Fly Tying
>  convention,  the other 2017 somersett show, and the
>  Lancaster PA march 2017 show.  Yep, it is only the start of
>  fall here, and I'm already itching for the shows.
>  Unfortunately, funds are keeping me from the Sowbug this
>  year, yet again.  On my bucket list, one of these
>  years.Thanks for any info on the "Sparse Grey
>  Matter Fly Tying Festival",-Pete
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[VFB] Sparse Grey Matter Fly Tying Festival?

[Pete Gramp]

I was cruising the net and heard of a fly tying event called the "Sparse
Grey Matter Fly Tying Festival" somewhere in New Jersey, USA that is held
annually (assuming it is still going on?) and the video I saw was from
2012.  Does anyone know, first, is this still something that is going on,
and second, where can I find details for the 2017 festival / show?  New
Jersey isn't too far from where I'm at, here in PA, and I tend to favor the
tying-themed, as opposed to fishing-themed, shows. Plus it could be yet
another show to add to my growing list of shows to attend.  Going to try to
make the November Somersett International Fly Tying convention,  the other
2017 somersett show, and the Lancaster PA march 2017 show.  Yep, it is only
the start of fall here, and I'm already itching for the shows.
Unfortunately, funds are keeping me from the Sowbug this year, yet again.
On my bucket list, one of these years.
Thanks for any info on the "Sparse Grey Matter Fly Tying Festival",
-Pete

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Re: [VFB] re: Whiting hackle bad colors

[Pete Gramp]

I used to like Denny Conrad's hackle, not sure if the company he sold to is
doing the same quality - just haven't looked into it, honestly.  I recently
got two capes and two saddles from Collins Hackle farms, grade 3 but ties
10 to 18 for capes and 12 to 16s for saddle, the whole lot of it, all 4
items, were 60 bucks (plus whatever trivial amount postage was).  A note,
though, he doesn't wash the feathers.  He claims it retains the oils, which
is good, true, but it also doesn't clean off the, well pardon my language
but, chicken umm "waste".  I think that's the most politically correct way
to word it?  Excellent, beautiful colors, high barb count, sturdy yet thin
stemmed, some of the best hackle I've worked with honestly.  Can't praise
his hackle enough.
When I went to order, I called him, spoke to him personally, had all
intentions of buying a grade 1, he said don't waste your money get 2 grade
3's, they'll tie the sizes I want in the same quality, I just won't get 20s
and smaller.  He helped me select the color, asked what look I wanted for
the flies, etc, gave me some background on the hackle itself - very
knowledgeable guy, willing to share but isn't cocky or shoving info down
your throat or a "used car salesman" type.  Honest guy, wanting to please
his customer.  I couldn't praise him more, and will be back as soon as I
save up (admittedly will be a while) for another cape-and-free-saddle combo.
Just my 2 cents worth, I'm sure there are plenty of other fine hackle
suppliers out there but Collins is my new personal favorite.
-Pete

On Sun, Jul 3, 2016 at 10:49 AM, Joyce M Westphal 
wrote:

> Thanks for your reply.  I will no longer buy any hackle I can't hold in my
> hand and see with my own eyes.
>
> On Sun, Jul 3, 2016 at 8:25 AM, J Balmer  wrote:
>
>> I can’t answer that question, but because of a couple issues in the past
>> (& the fact that I only tie for me, two or three friends & the occasional
>> swap) I only buy what I can hold in my hand or from people I truly trust.
>>
>>
>>
>> J
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* vfb-mail@googlegroups.com [mailto:vfb-mail@googlegroups.com] *On
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>> *Sent:* Sunday, July 3, 2016 8:14 AM
>> *To:* vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* [VFB] re: Whiting hackle bad colors
>>
>>
>>
>> I just got an order of Whiting rooster saddles from Lakeland Flytying in
>> the UK>  These were to be black/claret dyed, fiery brown and lake olive. I
>> was amazed at how bad the colors were. The black claret has no claret, just
>> straight purple on the black. The fiery brown has no brown, rather a
>> red/orange color, and the lake olive is yellow gold, no green in the mix. I
>> have compared this hackle color with the same hackle colors that I  had  on
>> thiss colored hackle from Whiting before, This dye job must have been done
>> by someone who is color blind.  I am wondering, does Whiting do the dying
>> or is this bad color job done by Lakeland flytying? I would appreciate any
>> input at all. This has really put me off on Whiting dyed rooster saddles.
>> Joyce
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Re: [VFB] Burgundy Thread

[Pete Gramp]

I'll check out the UTC, sounds perfect.  I haven't tried it yet.  I have to
be honest, most of the reason I shy away from tying salmon flies is that my
rough hands tear the silk to shredded frayed messes.  I think I'll try the
UTC but stay clear of the silk thread - just my personal preference, not
that it is a bad suggestion in any means, I'm sure it would be perfect, but
with my sandpaper mitts, and knowing what silk thread costs *typically*,
I'd prefer to not even try it.  Just my preference, no offense intended.
Thanks for the UTC suggestion, I'm going to pick up a spool and try it!
-Pete



On Sat, Jul 2, 2016 at 10:06 AM, Joyce M Westphal <joyce...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Pete, have you tried UTC ultra in 70 denier in wine? It is awesome IMHO,
> lies flat and makes a wonderful body, comes in 70 and 140 and 210 denier. I
> buy it at the local fly shop.  You might also like silk which comes in
> color 312 and can be found at Superior Threads (St. George, UT) and
> available online.  It makes a great silk thread body.  Check these out.
> Ultra costs about 2.00 a spool but has lots of thread, I believe 200 yards,
> on a spool. Good luck. These are my favorites. Joyce
>
> On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 6:00 AM, Pete Gramp <pete.gr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I've been looking for a Burgundy thread that is *either* 70 denier *or* lies
>> flat with minimal bulk.  I typically use Uni 8/0 or Veevus, if that helps
>> any, but I'm not loyal to any one brand over another.  Cheaper the better,
>> yes even though we're only talking about a few bucks a spool, but I'd
>> prefer tying thread to sewing thread... Can somebody point me towards
>> something in that color range?  More of a maroon-burgundy than
>> wine-burgundy.  (Danville has a wine, but that's too purple for what I'm
>> seeking).
>>
>> Alternatively, anyone know of a marker (make & color) that would color
>> white uni or veevus to that color range?
>>
>> Thanks guys,
>> -Pete
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[VFB] Burgundy Thread

[Pete Gramp]

I've been looking for a Burgundy thread that is *either* 70 denier *or* lies
flat with minimal bulk.  I typically use Uni 8/0 or Veevus, if that helps
any, but I'm not loyal to any one brand over another.  Cheaper the better,
yes even though we're only talking about a few bucks a spool, but I'd
prefer tying thread to sewing thread... Can somebody point me towards
something in that color range?  More of a maroon-burgundy than
wine-burgundy.  (Danville has a wine, but that's too purple for what I'm
seeking).

Alternatively, anyone know of a marker (make & color) that would color
white uni or veevus to that color range?

Thanks guys,
-Pete

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Re: [VFB] QFTD

[Pete Gramp]

The same is true for us terrestrial bipeds... body shape thus becomes the
fundamental concern.,.. Me?  so much there, I'm of the high float variety.

Runnin' and duckin' for the nine tenths of a strike...
-Pete

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> "Body shape thus becomes the fundamental concern of all terrestrial
> patterns- high floater and low floaters a like.   
> Realistically presented, duplication of the body form represents
> nine-tenths of a strike."
>
> Gerald Almy"Tying & Fishing Terrestrials"
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[VFB] Suggestions for PFD?

[Pete Gramp]

So here's the deal.  I have epilepsy, have had roughly 0 (good days) to 6
(obviously bad days) seizures a day for the past countless months, and the
neurologist says the only way he'll let me fish is from shore, and even
then, with a "good" PFD (personal flotation device) and with another person
present.  I could always ignore the doc, but I'm not the type to risk
that.  Kinda stinks, especially since I'm a "big boned" and 6 foot 6 inch
tall guy... finding a PFD my size has been difficult.  Anyone have
suggestions for a "good" PFD on the cheap, preferably that doesn't restrict
casting, but cheap comes first, for a US size 4XL?
I get it, I'm big... no I don't play basketball, nor mini golf. But I do
fly fish. :)

Any suggestions on PFDs welcome,
-Pete

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Re: [VFB] Thread Colors

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I've been asked to give a serious list, so I'll say that I use Uni and
Veevus (uni because it works with the diameter of the inner hole, to work
with my first generation ekich bobbin, veevus because of preference of the
thread).  Colors are burgundy (visited "Slide in" fly shop and he got me
started on that trend), black, white (admittedly for use with markers, but
it is a color so there it is), pale yellow / lt cahill (goes by different
names based on which company makes it), camel (tannish-brown), and olive.
There you have it!
Tight wraps,
-Pete

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> I use many colors of thread.  Have way to many bobbins.
>
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> Rick
>
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> *From:* 'Anthony Spezio' via VFB Mail 
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> I use Black, Florescent Orange, Olive, Chartreuse, Brown and Red.
> Arkansas Tony,
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> On Monday, April 25, 2016 3:07 PM, J Balmer  wrote:
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> I use mono most often & white w/ markers next. I have one bobbin that
> usually has red floss, but I’ve used other colored floss as well. If I HAD
> to use colored thread, olive, black, white & red, & maybe fire orange to
> tie Tony’s Chili PeppersJ
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> I just have a quick question. If you could only have 6 colors of thread to
> tie with, doesn't matter what the denier or ought is, and there were no
> Sharpies available, what 6 colors would you choose?
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Re: [VFB] Thread Colors

[Pete Gramp]

white, and a bunch of permanent markers :)

On Mon, Apr 25, 2016 at 1:03 PM, ashley strutt 
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> I tend you only use about six anyway, black, white, yellow, red, orange
> and brown. I could also add mono which is clear and doesn't count to the
> six because it doesn't have colour.
>
> Ashley
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>> Sharpies available, what 6 colors would you choose?
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Re: [VFB] Just curious - Looking for a Fly Tyer article

[Pete Gramp]

Sorry, been a hectic week - anyhow, the article is on British Wet Flies.
Joyce and Ashley have graciously sent the article, and I thank them both
profusely for doing so.  I'd purchase it myself, if not for the fact that
it is just not available in circulation much, if at all, anymore.  I'm a
loyal subscriber to the magazine (though I wholeheartedly agree that it has
declined significantly over recent years) .

Again, thank you so very much for the article, Joyce and Ashley, and let me
know if I can send you some material as a "barter" thanks.  I think I have
some porcupine quills, always a hit *a la *coffin fly, "modern dry fly
code" cover - look alike.  That goes for anyone, I suppose, if you wish to
try your hand at it and need some porcupine quills, let me know, but Joyce
and Ashley have 'first dibs'.

Thanks again,
-Pete


On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 11:22 AM, Peggy Brenner <ladyflyt...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> My neighbor shot the coyote and I got the tail! so I'll share.
>
> On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 8:09 AM, ashley strutt <galeforce1...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Peggy,
>>
>> That would be great thank you very much.  I wasn't hinting but pointing
>> out why I still get the mag. The coyote article was of interest for trying
>> saltwater flies.
>>
>> Thanks again
>>
>> Ashley
>>
>> On Thu, 12 Nov 2015 12:40 Peggy Brenner <ladyflyt...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Do you want coyote tailing, I have more than one and could put it with
>>> your saltwater flies. A little goes a long way.
>>>
>>> Peggy
>>>
>>> On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 4:06 AM, ashley strutt <galeforce1...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I would agree that the older issues are of a higher quality. I still
>>>> get it in case I can pick up any new ideas. For example, the autumn issue
>>>> has an article on coyote fur for saltwater flies which I want to try. Got
>>>> to get some quality fur first, just try that in the UK!
>>>>
>>>> I have actually stopped subscribing because they kept messing up my
>>>> subscription through incompetence so get mine through ebay which actually
>>>> turns out to be slightly cheaper and I get my issues earlier than if I
>>>> subscribed. I think that the Editor and the company who own it are at fault
>>>> for its degeneration.
>>>>
>>>> Ashley
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 11/11/15 13:09, Peggy Brenner wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I have a lot of the early issues and have stopped subscribing in recent
>>>> years, they have lost some of our top writers in recent years. There is
>>>> talk that a new Editor would solve the problems, currently to many articles
>>>> are coming out with others names on them.
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 1:15 PM, Phxflytyer <phxflyt...@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Pete;
>>>>>
>>>>> I have the issue you are looking for.
>>>>>
>>>>> I do not have a scanner, but I would send it to you if you send it
>>>>> back? Perhaps I could see if I can use a copier for the article you are
>>>>> looking for.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am glad you are asking for this because I see how much better the
>>>>> older mags were. This is a great issue with a lot of substance and very
>>>>> diverse.
>>>>> I wish the editors would take a look at some of these older issues and
>>>>> get the hint that we tyer's want more for our money. We want more articles
>>>>> and less advertising. I don't care that they are making more money on ads
>>>>> and not as much from the cost of the mag itself. Sorry state of affairs
>>>>> that money is the deciding reason for the mag?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank You,
>>>>> Alan Di Somma
>>>>> Phoenix, AZ.
>>>>>
>>>>> Some mistakes are just too much fun to make only once.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Nov 10, 2015, at 9:45 AM, Neville Gosling < <nev.gosl...@shaw.ca>
>>>>> nev.gosl...@shaw.ca> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Pete:
>>>>>
>>>>> I don’t have it but what is featured on page 24? Just curious 邏!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Neville (Nev) Gosling
>>>>> Greater V

[VFB] Looking for a Fly Tyer article

[Pete Gramp]

Does anyone happen to have a copy of the Summer 1997 Fly Tyer Magazine
issue, who would be willing to send me a copy of the article starting on
page 24 please?  Tried my local library but they only go back to 2004...
same as my personal collection of them.  Can't bring myself to eBay it for
10 bucks...
Thanks!
-Pete

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Re: [VFB] Looking for new #12-14 hopper/cricket patterns

[Pete Gramp]

Thanks to all for their recommendations - the harford house fly sounds like
a winner, but i'm confused in the picture how you have two colors of foam.
The instructions seem to imply just one color of foam?  Maybe I'm missing
something obvious, when reading the instructions?

Thanks,
-Pete



On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 5:36 PM, Michael Bliss flyfish...@gmail.com wrote:

 I want to catch the fish that would take that one DonO

 Mike

 On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 10:59 AM, Don Ordes f...@tribcsp.com wrote:

   Here’s mine.  Keeps those pesky little ones off the line.

 [image: P1010067]

 DonO

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 *Subject:* [VFB] Looking for new #12-14 hopper/cricket patterns

  There's an area of Maine, USA that I'll be fishing this summer where
 the adjacent farmlands are supposed to be harvested just a week prior to my
 fishing.  Even though I can't wade this go of it (and it's bugging me
 that's the case), I figure that the hoppers and/or crickets will make their
 typical migration down to the water because of the farms' harvests, so I
 should be tying up the same-sized terrestrials as past years.

 Not that past years' patterns didn't work well (namely a modified 'letort
 cricket' in pale yellow- rusty-olive with a dyed candy-apple-red hackle
 tail, and then a pink-craft-store-foam 'baby boy hopper', both relatively
 small, in size 12 to 14), but I always have a desire to try new patterns.
 Anyone have some favorite hopper or cricket patterns that might be new to
 me?

 I heard that one of the magazines (perhaps fly fisherman?) has a
 feature on Hoppers this latest issue, but I've yet to read / get it, and
 see if there are patterns in there.

 Happy Fourth of July to everyone in USA,
 -Pete
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[VFB] Looking for new #12-14 hopper/cricket patterns

[Pete Gramp]

There's an area of Maine, USA that I'll be fishing this summer where the
adjacent farmlands are supposed to be harvested just a week prior to my
fishing.  Even though I can't wade this go of it (and it's bugging me
that's the case), I figure that the hoppers and/or crickets will make their
typical migration down to the water because of the farms' harvests, so I
should be tying up the same-sized terrestrials as past years.

Not that past years' patterns didn't work well (namely a modified 'letort
cricket' in pale yellow- rusty-olive with a dyed candy-apple-red hackle
tail, and then a pink-craft-store-foam 'baby boy hopper', both relatively
small, in size 12 to 14), but I always have a desire to try new patterns.
Anyone have some favorite hopper or cricket patterns that might be new to
me?

I heard that one of the magazines (perhaps fly fisherman?) has a feature
on Hoppers this latest issue, but I've yet to read / get it, and see if
there are patterns in there.

Happy Fourth of July to everyone in USA,
-Pete
(ZugbugPete)

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Re: [VFB] Test photo

[Pete Gramp]

I greatly appreciate this as well, thank you so much!

With funds being what they are, Sowbug just isn't happening for me this
year.  (Family vacation for 2+ weeks, stopping at Roscoe NY area for a few
days, and then heading N to Maine USA for remainder of ~2wks, is taking its
toll on fly fishing travel funds this year.)

I'll start a new thread and ask about stuff to do around roscoe, guides
around roscoe, lodging, etc... please respond to *that* thread if in that
regards,  No need to muddle up and hijack the Sowbug thread with that *totally
*different topic...

Hardy wraps,
-Pete


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 Thanks Peggy.  I will surely enjoy as I can't make Sowbug.

 Buck.



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[VFB] Catskills / Roscoe NY, USA - Any Info, send it my way

[Pete Gramp]

So this summer, my wife finally gave in and is letting me stop for 2 or 3
days in the catskills region, around Roscoe NY USA.  There are great things
that I've heard, and there are of course the stories of its fabled streams
and rivers.  While I'm foaming at the bit, there are some questions and
possible hiccups that need to be solved before I go.

That's where you kind folks come in.  I'll be frank - my knowledge of the
Catskills are only what the sporadic fly fishing book, a topo map, and the
fly fishing videos have shown me.  A guide is almost a necessity when it
comes to this rusty ol' caster, flopping the line on the water like a
cowboy roping at a rodeo... I'll need all the help I can get!  Been almost
a half year since on the water, possibly more, due to medical reasons; I
won't go into it here, but feel free to private message me if you'd like
details.  Point is, I'd love to fish the fabled waters, catching anything
(a baseball counts as catching something, right?), not being picky about
having to catch numbers of fish, or size of fish, but preferably catching *at
least one* fish over the course of 2 or 3 days.  Any recommendations for
which waterways to target, for a not so great (i.e. horrible) caster?
Here's the kicker - due to the medical issues, I can't be hiking huge
distances (two miles each way is about it, if I obey the doc), and can't be
wading higher than, well, I'll say waist, but if my doc had a say it would
be up to my knee - I made the mistake of asking him...  Anyhow, heard the
Williweemoc (sp?) fits the bill, but I don't know enough about the area to
say one way or the other.

Other considerations, I'll have my wife, and kids (one in elementary
school, other a toddler) with me on this trip.  They won't be fly fishing
with me, but will need lodging and something to do for 2-3 days.
Suggestions for lodging, eateries, and things to do while I'm enjoying the
fishing would be awesome, and would help me keep this as a good idea in
my wife's head :)  We have no problem with the idea to rough it, but due
to the medical issues, need potable water, and need electricity to run
medical stuff.  Anyone who knows how to get a portable battery pack type
thing, that outputs electricity in a way that you can just plug in a normal
(USA type) electric plug, that would be such an awesome thing, you have no
idea.
Wow, this is turning into a novella - I'll end this here and see if anyone
knows of info surrounding the catskills region centering on Roscoe NY.
Thanks!

Hardy wraps,
-Pete

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[VFB] Chris Helm

[Pete Gramp]

I heard disturbing news about the wellbeing of Chris Helm (that he had
passed away).  Can anyone verify one way or the other?

-Pete

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Re: Re[2]: [VFB] Jimmy

[Pete Gramp]

Been away from email a bit, with personal health issues (still kickin'),
and now getting caught up on emails.
If it's not too late to throw the curve, I'm 35, and despite being
introduced to fly fishing and tying over half my life ago, there is
certainly a lot yet for me to learn.
I look forward to much more time spent learning and fellowshipping with all
of you, the sages of this fine sport and craft.
With utmost respect,
-Pete

_
When in doubt, fish a Zugbug, tied like a dry.  So not a Zugbug at all.
ZugbugPete


On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 5:40 PM, Bob haerb...@comcast.net wrote:

 So you are around and kicking to Ed!!  Good to see

 BobH

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 And I look to each of you for your wisdom! May I grow as wise as you, and
 continue to bring the next generation along as fishermen, tiers, and
 outdoorsmen!

 Ed Roden
 Email: flyfished at gmail dot com
 Twitter: @flyfished
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 Henrietta Lange: The true test of a commander is when he is as frightened
 and confused as those who look up to him. In that moment, when you can't
 find it in yourself, you will find it in them. That's leadership.

 On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 4:16 AM, Thomas R. Eckert 
 royalcoach...@bluewin.ch wrote:

 so do I ...

 -- Originalnachricht --
 Von: Alan Di Somma phxflyt...@cox.net
 An: VFB List vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
 Gesendet: 10.09.2014 02:53:24
 Betreff: Re: [VFB] Jimmy


 I have also.


 *phxflytyer*
 *Phoenix,AZ*



 * Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the
 Government take care of him; better take a closer look at the American
 Indian.Henry Ford*

 On Sep 9, 2014, at 4:47 PM, 'Anthony Spezio' via VFB Mail 
 vfb-mail@googlegroups.com wrote:

 I do too.
 Tony


 On Tuesday, September 9, 2014 12:19 PM, Jimmy D. Moore 
 ray...@earthlink.net wrote:


 [image: :-D] I have children older than you.

 JIM


 Ed Roden wrote:

 I'm a young guy at 46

 Ed Roden
 Email: flyfished at gmail dot com
 Twitter: @flyfished
 mittenstateangler.com
 Henrietta Lange: The true test of a commander is when he is as frightened
 and confused as those who look up to him. In that moment, when you can't
 find it in yourself, you will find it in them. That's leadership.


 On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 2:28 PM, J Balmer jbal...@betadigm.com wrote:

 Surprisingly, about 30% are under 60…

 *From:* vfb-mail@googlegroups.com [mailto:vfb-mail@googlegroups.com] *On
 Behalf Of *Allan Fish
 *Sent:* Tuesday, August 12, 2014 12:35 PM
 *To:* vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
 *Subject:* [VFB] Jimmy

 Jimmy,

 Average age as of now = 62-1/3

 Change Salty's last name to Harriman
 Change Harrig to Bob Haering

 We're a-gettin' there.

 Take care of that hand.

 Al - one of the old farts.



 d to me Off List if need be..

What's the average age now.  Lots of Old Farts

 JIMMY D

 JIMMY D  77  AGE MEISTER
 Tony Spezio --85
 Denny Conrad--79 3/4
 Allan fish--78
 Don Ordes - 63
 Peggy Brenner - 65
 Nev Gosling - 68
 Wayne Blake-Hedges - 54
 Jerry Caruso - 66
 Dan harrington - 63
 Reuven Segal - 38
 Ron Boutin - 64
 Alan Di somma - 71
 Walter Shockley - 65
 Gary Webb - 67
 Jimi - Desert Eagle - 57
 Joyce Wetphal -73
 J Balmer - 61
 Mel Hocken - agless ,
  Bob Hendry - 70
 Rene 59  Jack 45,
 Rick 64,
 Thomas 70,
  Brian 62,
 Scott 37,
 Gary 67
 Bruce 45  Michael 66
 Morger 53
 Haerig 57
 Hans 60
  Dan
  Jack
  Jeff 54



 AND THE LIST GROWS AND GROWS.

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Re: [VFB] Blizzard Swap update 3/7/14

[Pete Gramp]

I do have my flies tied up, and offer one to anyone from the swap who asks
(via a business envelope and stamp) but I respectfully ask to drop from the
blizzard swap due to not being able to get to the post office while they
are open, any time soon.  (for personal medical reasons)
Apologies if I was the cause of the blizzard swap being held up - I was
trying to get to the post before the last person submitted their flies
before me, but I don't want to hold up the swap, so dropping out is the
right thing to do.
Thanks and keep on tyin'
-Pete



On Sat, Mar 8, 2014 at 7:14 PM, phxflyt...@cox.net wrote:

 Peggy:

 My flies were put in the mail this AM.



 Thank You,
 Alan Di Somma
 Phoenix, AZ.

 If you can get arrested for hunting or fishing without a license, but not
 for being in the country illegally ...you might live in a country founded
 by geniuses but run by idiots.

 -Original Message- From: Peggy Brenner
 Sent: Friday, March 07, 2014 2:03 PM
 To: Virtual Fly Box
 Subject: [VFB] Blizzard Swap update 3/7/14


 We are doing pretty good with arrivals, for some reason I couldn't bring
 myself to go to a post office in less than 0 weather.

  1. Don Ordes- 18 Below Caddis Fly Nymph (18 below the strike indicator)
2.  Allan Fish-ARRIVED!
3.  Mike Bliss-ICE WORM - ARRIVED
   4.  Pete Gramp-Josh's White Lightning nymph
5.  Peggy Brenner-Artic fox salmon DONE
6.  Chuck Alexander - IHPPP - ARRIVED
7. AlanL DiSomma
8.  Ashley Strutt-ARRIVED
9.  Rick Zieger ARRIVED
10. Wayne Blake-Hedges ARRIVED
11. J. Balmer-ARRIVED
12. Joyce Westphal-Doc Markham Purple Peril- ARRIVED
  13. Jerry Mckaughan-Snowshoe Unusual-ARRIVED First!
  14 Rene Zillman- Jack Frost  ARRIVED
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Re: [VFB] PEGGY I - was ROPE DUB SWAP

[Pete Gramp]

Sorry, but can someone clear up for me which swap or swaps i'm in now?  I
was only planning on joining one... With medical issues and working 12 hour
days to boot, i can only tackle one swap.
Thanks,
-Pete

On Wednesday, December 4, 2013, Bob haerb...@comcast.net wrote:
 I am going to be able to do this sorry guys
 BobH
 
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 Sent: Tuesday, December 3, 2013 7:34:28 PM
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 Don: You can count me in as my tests came out great (report on it to
come). Thanks Chuck

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 Subject: Re: [VFB] PEGGY  I - was ROPE DUB SWAP

 So now we are each in 2 swaps??  If that is the case I do not if I can
commit.  I can only sit for short periods of time.

 BobH

 
 From: Allan Fish afi...@sbcglobal.net
 To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Tuesday, December 3, 2013 6:24:56 PM
 Subject: [VFB] PEGGY  I - was ROPE DUB SWAP

 Peggy and I have kinda had a discussion via e-mail.

 We're going to make it TWO swaps.

 1) I'm hosting a ROPE DUB SWAP.

 2) Peggy's hosting a Blizzard swap. She will post her own rules and
timing.

 I WILL call myself a backsliding liar and open up my swap by one more
space:

 1. Don Ordes- 18 Below Caddis Fly Nymph (18” below the strike indicator)
 2. Allan Fish
 3. Mike Bliss
 4. Pete Gramp
 5. Peggy Brenner
 6. Chuck Alexander - maybe
 7. Alan Single-L DiSomma
 8. Ashley Strutt
 9. Rick Zieger if he can find his dubbing
 10. Wayne Blake-Hedges
 11. Bob Haering
 12. J. Balmer
 13. Jerry McKaughan
 14. Joyce Westphal

 We still only tie a dozen flies, but it'll be a BAKER'S dozen - 13 flies.

 SWAP IS CLOSED.

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Re: [VFB] Roll call and winter fly-swap interest??

[Pete Gramp]

I'm still here.  Have a cranial mass lesion in left occipital lobe, 6.5mm,
aka brain tumor.  still doing the every 6 weeks MRI with contrast and
perfusion routine.  As long as it doesn't grow, all is well; if it does
grow, I'll be in the operating room for cranial neurosurgery within a week
(or so they say).  So other than that, life is good.  Tie on the weekends
when not working.
I'm game for a swap if 12 or fewer flies, and if no PB is needed.  I have
some Ice Dub and could tie up some Josh's White Lightnings nymphs in
either purple or orange (prefer purple - caught a 13-14 brookie and an 18
rainbow on it this pattern this late september / early october).  Let me
know when due, how many flies, and where to send.  I don't do well with
hosting, but if someone else (you?) are hosting, I'll gladly participate.
-Pete





On Sun, Dec 1, 2013 at 1:34 PM, Michael Bliss flyfish...@gmail.com wrote:

 I am still here.

 I am still working at BYU Hawaii in Laie, HI.  But next year probably end
 of May will retire.  We bought a home in Utah and will move back.  I hope I
 can re-acclimate to the cold after all this time.  We want to be back
 around family.  I am okay on health for now.  Hope to see some of you at
 least after moving back.  Maybe a VFB conclave on the Green River?

 I need an excuse to tie so I would join the swap.  I have no polar bear
 but could sub something (snowshoe or arctic fox).  I have plenty of ice
 dubbing.

 Mike


 On Sun, Dec 1, 2013 at 8:23 AM, Don Ordes f...@tribcsp.com wrote:

   VFB Roll Call...  Who’s still here?

 And let us know how you are doing if you feel like it.

 I’ll start.  Got my diabetes on the run. Off insulin now (un-officially)
 and my BG readings are still all normal. Exercise and diet have been the
 key for me. Up to a mile on the treadmill now- walking, jogging, and
 wind-sprinting up to 6 mph so far with incline. Two months ago a 5 min. *2
 mph* *level walk* pooped me out. My BP is now normal after the workout
 and after the cool-down. Have lost 45 pounds so far (less of me to love).
 Who-hoo!

 Anyone interested in *fly swaps* now that winter is here?  Something
 with ice-dubbing? or polar bear?

 DonO


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Re: [VFB] Roll call and winter fly-swap interest??

[Pete Gramp]

Thanks everyone, but golly it wasn't my intent to hijack the email thread.
 I really would like to see a swap (hosted by someone else) happen - and
participate as well. :)  Thanks for the well wishes, though, much
appreciated :)
-Pete

On Sunday, December 1, 2013, Peggy Brenner peggy.bren...@comcast.net
wrote:
 I hope this has a good outcome, scary but.

 Peggy

 On 12/1/2013 2:47 PM, Pete Gramp wrote:

 I'm still here.  Have a cranial mass lesion in left occipital lobe,
 6.5mm, aka brain tumor.  still doing the every 6 weeks MRI with
 contrast and perfusion routine.  As long as it doesn't grow, all is
 well; if it does grow, I'll be in the operating room for cranial
 neurosurgery within a week (or so they say).  So other than that, life
 is good.  Tie on the weekends when not working.
 I'm game for a swap if 12 or fewer flies, and if no PB is needed.  I
 have some Ice Dub and could tie up some Josh's White Lightnings nymphs
 in either purple or orange (prefer purple - caught a 13-14 brookie and
 an 18 rainbow on it this pattern this late september / early october).
   Let me know when due, how many flies, and where to send.  I don't do
 well with hosting, but if someone else (you?) are hosting, I'll gladly
 participate.
 -Pete





 On Sun, Dec 1, 2013 at 1:34 PM, Michael Bliss flyfish...@gmail.com
 mailto:flyfish...@gmail.com wrote:

 I am still here.

 I am still working at BYU Hawaii in Laie, HI.  But next year
 probably end of May will retire.  We bought a home in Utah and will
 move back.  I hope I can re-acclimate to the cold after all this
 time.  We want to be back around family.  I am okay on health for
 now.  Hope to see some of you at least after moving back.  Maybe a
 VFB conclave on the Green River?

 I need an excuse to tie so I would join the swap.  I have no polar
 bear but could sub something (snowshoe or arctic fox).  I have
 plenty of ice dubbing.

 Mike


 On Sun, Dec 1, 2013 at 8:23 AM, Don Ordes f...@tribcsp.com
 mailto:f...@tribcsp.com wrote:

 VFB Roll Call...  Who’s still here?
 And let us know how you are doing if you feel like it.
 I’ll start.  Got my diabetes on the run. Off insulin now
 (un-officially) and my BG readings are still all normal.
 Exercise and diet have been the key for me. Up to a mile on the
 treadmill now- walking, jogging, and wind-sprinting up to 6 mph
 so far with incline. Two months ago a 5 min. /2 mph/ /level
 walk/ pooped me out. My BP is now normal after the workout and
 after the cool-down. Have lost 45 pounds so far (less of me to
 love). Who-hoo!
 Anyone interested in *fly swaps* now that winter is here?
 Something with ice-dubbing? or polar bear?
 DonO

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[VFB] Spey feathers now eider duck feathers

[Pete Gramp]

Just curious, has anyone tried eider duck feathers for speys and dees (as
hackle)?  I was gifted two feathers many years ago and i don't know if
legal or if they'd serve the purpose... my friend who gave me them said
they are like a cross between coque and blue eared pheasant, only longer
fibered, and a quick glance looks like they're more bronze mallard like
than a wispy hackle, so i was curious if anyone had experience with them.
 I could have sworn i used these before but i can't find any example flies
in my stash... guess i didn't use yet, perhaps because i was unsure if
legal to use in the usa.
Anyone?
-Pete

I support the National Brain Tumor Society through medical donations.
They can keep em.

On Thursday, November 7, 2013, Neville Gosling nev.gosl...@shaw.ca wrote:
 Hi DonO
 Hey, I don't want to get into a spat about this. As far as I'm concerned,
Dr. Tom's spey hackles don't compare favourably to those from a heron
period. I did buy some spey feathers from Byard some years ago and was very
disappointed.  I'm not on Dr.Tom's pro staff so any feathers that I buy
come at full retail.  I bought from Byard as mail order and didn't see the
feathers before buying.  I'm on a very limited budget and I don't have the
benefit of visiting the Whiting farm as you do, nor could I afford to buy
50 capes. having said that, I like Whiting Farm feathers for their quality
especially for Trout flies, but would not buy any more of Tom's spey
hackles until I could handle them first.





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[VFB] Irish Lough / bumble flies

[Pete Gramp]

I've found out some medical news that means I'll likely have a lot of days
off work, recovering and doing treatment regimens. quite severe and equally
personal.  No need for the i'm sorrys or that crud.  Anyhow, i figure my
self-assigned therapy includes tying massive quantities of flies, and I've
been on an Irish Lough fly or bumble fly kick lately.  I've watched every
Davie McPhail youtube video on the subject i could find - quite a few - but
was wondering if any vfb folks knew of good books or webpages on that style
of fly.  They are like mini spey flies, sans wing, in sizes 8 to 14/maybe
16, from the looks of things... palmered wet flies overhackled with
partridge collars?  A class to themselves that makes them awesome to me.
 Any info is appreciated,
-Pete
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