Re: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access!
2 mar 2013 kl. 01:38 skrev Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com: John, right. As of now, the sendero app will work in the U.S.. I think Mike said that the UK was next on their list. And this, dear scandinavian users, means that if we're extremely lucky we will see this app in our neck of the woods sometime around version 12.7 if the program is still being developed by then, which i highly doubt. In other words, it's still Navigon and tomtom for us so let's hope that the rumors about navigon doing something that will benefit the blind is true. /Krister -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access!
I hope they give us the option of having the maps on the phone eventually. On 2/28/13, Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com wrote: Does the Apple app store let companies provice demos? I didn't think so. The Mac store doesn't. And the maps are definitely not stored on the device. All in the cloud. Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access!
Hi Mary, I don't think I was comparing the app, at least that wasn't my intention. As I stated in my message, I was really impressed with what I heard. My negative comment was related to APH's potential commitment to improve this app. I purchased their Checkbook program and it was one release and over after that. This hopefully will be different. Mike Arrigo, a great fan of Android stated that some improvements would be needed, but that doesn't take away from the outstanding job they did on an initial release. No comparison intended. It would be nice if they can release a Mac version of their product. Les On Mar 1, 2013, at 1:47 AM, Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Les, This app is the one they've been developing for some time now for their braille plus 18 device. So it isn't' quite fair to compare it with the Sendero app, because it has been under development for quite a while, and was released with the APH hardware last year. I recall hearing demos of that app more than a year ago. Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access!
hi mary this will work only in the usa though not in the uk yet is that right. thanks. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access!
Mary, The key question I would ask is, what map source is APH using? some maps cost less, others cost more… depends on the source. Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 1 Mar 2013, at 01:02, Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com wrote: Hi David, I am not sure if on line maps are cheaper. The American Printing House has just issued their blindness-oriented gps app on Android and, drum roll, it uses off line maps. Same small market, maybe even smaller, since as of now, it is only marketed in the U.S. and for the android-using population of blind folks. And my guess is there are fewer blind Android users than i-device users in this country. So, you may be right. But how, then is APH doing this with off line maps? And it is interesting that the reaction to folks to that app has been the opposite of what has happened here, that is, people want on line, not off line maps. As the saying goes, you can't win for losing. Mary Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
RE: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access!
I am not trying to hijack a thread, this is related. I won't be able to attend the online meeting, so would anyone who does at least one person send up a summary of the discussion. I will be at the hospital visiting with my husband after I am done working. Someone could also e-mail me at roseco...@q.com if that is preferred. Only mail from this list goes to the address at the top of my message, I may not see a private response from there for weeks. Thanks to anyone who can fulfill this request. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Charles Dean Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 11:49 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access! Years ago I bought the human ware Trekker which cost over twelve hundred dollars. Considering the freedom it gave me, I still think it was worth every penny. Unfortunately, so many apps are so inexpensive that when one appears with a higher prize tag, many of us get a little sticker shock. If this app proves to be as good as I hope, I will buy it no matter what the costs. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze any tie ping or spelin airors. On Feb 26, 2013, at 11:36 PM, Raul A. Gallegos r...@raulgallegos.com wrote: The one thing to keep in mind once the price is announced is how much is this app worth to some of us. Remember that specific installs for the braille note and braille cents products cost more than $600. Also remember that many commercial GPS apps for the iPhone itself can cost anywhere from $25-$55. I have no idea what the price for this app will be, however I do know that once that price is announced if people don't like it there will definitely be a lot of vocalization from peoples opinions. I only say this because any time and accessibility app is announced in that price is more than five dollars, people seem to make a big deal over it. I can look through the archives and discussions of the access notetaker app, blindsquare, Fleksy, Sendero's Look Around app, and the various daisy readers Have mostly initially been met with criticism over the price. Some people will purchase the app despite the cost because they want to support the developer. Others will purchase the app because it is worth it to them. And still others might wait for the app to go on sale before they make a purchase. My purchasing history shows that depending on the app in question I could fall into any of those categories. Fleksy and blindsquare were apps which I purchased only after they went on sale. Yet voice dream reader and looktel recognizer were apps I purchased at full price. And finally, apps light digit-eyes and read2go our ones which I have not purchased and don't intend to. So my only point in writing this message is to remind everyone, including myself, that no matter what the price of a new app is, we will have to decide for ourselves if it is really worth it to us considering our personal needs and the features contained in the app. Cheers! On Feb 26, 2013, at 11:04 PM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hi List, This does indeed sound very promising and I especially think one of the best news about this is that they use both Navteq and OSM maps as well as POI's from Navteq, Foursquare and OSM. This should really provide very good and up-to-date map and POI information. Maybe we can all have a few less apps on the phone since this one will most likely make some others redundant. I also would imagine that since Seeing-Eye is involved in funding the project that the price for the app maybe more reasonable than we all may think. Best regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 2:02 PM To: ViPone list Subject: Fwd: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access! I wasn't sure if this had been seen on this list: From: senderogps-bou...@freelists.org [mailto:senderogps-bou...@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Kim Casey Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 4:07 PM To: 'Kim Casey' Subject: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access! Sendero Group has been designing accessible GPS since 1994. Almost 20 years of user feedback and feature requests are behind the design of all Sendero GPS products. The accessible features in Seeing Eye GPS are only the beginning of what is yet to come as users help in evolving this first fully accessible GPS product for the iPhone. To participate in the preview, visit us at CSUN Booth 521 or reply to this email and we will send you a link for a Test Flight as soon as it is available. About Seeing Eye GPS Getting around independently is a function of good mobility tools like a guide dog or cane and good orientation tools like
Re: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access!
John, right. As of now, the sendero app will work in the U.S.. I think Mike said that the UK was next on their list. Mary Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access!
Neal, APH is using Navteq, same as SEndero. Sendero is also using an open source map, and APH uses google places for pois when you have a connection to the network. So both have Navteq, with aph having it on the device and Sendero having it in the cloud. Mary Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access!
Hello Sieghard and list There is another aspect with makes me very unhappy and that is the price. We saw this with Nearby Explorer and now with Seeing Eye, and that is that developers of blind apps make them available to only part of the blind community. From what I could gather from APh is that Nearby Explorer will eventually only be available for the US and Europe. Now we see the same with Seeing Eye: only for US and Europe. That was the same for the Voice Sense GPs. A friend here in South Africa had to purchase the local maps from Hims for Nearly half the price of the Voice Sense, so I assume if we would like to use seeing eye it would cost so much for the maps, if any, that it would not be worth while. Regards Fanus - Original Message - From: Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 7:04 AM Subject: RE: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access! Hi Christopher and Mark, You are correct, Christopher, Garmin has no reason why they should engage in such a partnership, in fact, they would never do so since they would have to give Sendero access to their entire code and then make sure what Sendero does is not messing up anything else. Navigon, of course, is owned by Garmin so there is no difference there. Comparing Voiceover with something like GPS apps of course is comparing Apples to Oranges (pun intended) since Voiceover is developed by Apple because Apple chose to make their devices accessible. I guess one could say that if Garmin did make such a huge commitment to accessibility something like what Mark invisions could theoretically be possible, but making one app accessible does not nearly carry the importance of making an entire group of devices, an entire platform and an entire eco-system of content accessible. If Garmin had any interest in that they could have long since included accessibility in many of their stand-along Nuvi products. I know that Mark, and I mean no offense by this, seems to have a huge problem with anything that even hints at being geared towards the visually impaired. Those among us who understand that some things are just done better when they are done with the blind user in mind typically have no such problem especially if the product or, in this case, app in question most likely will be well within the price range of 95% or 98% of iPhone users. You could take Mark's argument and apply it to anything. I am not sure if Mark has a guide dog or is using a cane, but if he is using a cane, why not lobby the manufacturers of white canes to make them more appealing so that maybe sighted people would also buy them as walking sticks or whatever. Maybe they could come with all sorts of cool graphics and white ones would only be 2% of all canes manufacturered and instead of $25 they would now cost only $18. OK, enough said on this topic, there is always Apple Maps which does have a significant amount of accessibility built into it and there are apps like Navigon, Motion GPS or TomTom, of course Mark would have to use a blindness specific app like Blindsquare, Ariadne or Sendero LookAround to get the most out of them as all of us who have been using these solutions for the last few years have done. I definitely prefer to spend whatever Sendero will charge for the Seeing Eye app in the hope that I will get all of what I can do now with several apps and in time probably more out of one app. If I add up all I spend on the various GPS apps hoping I find one that works better than another I could have probably bought the Seeing Eye app twice over. That of course is not taking into account the$2,000 I spend in 2007 to buy a Trekker Maestro and the $900 I spent in 2009 to buy MobileGeo after I bought my first Windows Smartphone with MobileSpeak. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 7:58 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access! I'm not sure how this would work. What would be Garmin's motivation for doing this? I'm not sure the development costs still wouldn't be more to provide an accessible option to a given product than develop an accessible product from the ground up. The amortization argument was mostly targeted at the downloading of maps, which we know this product won't do. It also isn't clear that this product will cost significantly more than existing products. Agencies don't have the deep pockets they might have had at one time. On 27/02/13 21:36, Mark BurningHawk wrote: So it would still make more sense to partner with a company who makes such a silent, visually appealing app, and piggy-back a Sendero type level of verbal interaction
Re: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access!
Louise, I'm sure even if folk were selected they could not announce as such. Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 27 Feb 2013, at 17:26, Louise Redsull louisereds...@googlemail.com wrote: I wonder what the people finder app is like and how it works. Also was just wondering if anybody on list has received an email to say they were selected as a tester. Take care, Louise. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: 26 February 2013 10:02 PM To: ViPone list Subject: Fwd: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access! I wasn't sure if this had been seen on this list: From: senderogps-bou...@freelists.org [mailto:senderogps-bou...@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Kim Casey Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 4:07 PM To: 'Kim Casey' Subject: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access! Sendero Group has been designing accessible GPS since 1994. Almost 20 years of user feedback and feature requests are behind the design of all Sendero GPS products. The accessible features in Seeing Eye GPS are only the beginning of what is yet to come as users help in evolving this first fully accessible GPS product for the iPhone. To participate in the preview, visit us at CSUN Booth 521 or reply to this email and we will send you a link for a Test Flight as soon as it is available. About Seeing Eye GPS Getting around independently is a function of good mobility tools like a guide dog or cane and good orientation tools like accessible GPS. Two pioneers in their fields, The Seeing Eye and Sendero Group have teamed up to provide a fully accessible turn-by-turn GPS iPhone app with all the normal navigation features plus features unique to blind users. * Instead of multiple layers of menus, the 3 important navigation elements are on the lower portion of every screen, Route, POIs and Location. * At intersections, the street name and your direction of travel are announced. * Intersections are described like 4-way with the clock face orientation of the streets. * There are 3 choices for POI data and 2 map sources. * Directions are configured appropriately for Pedestrian and vehicle routes including heads up when approaching a turn, the turn now indication, continue straight and where the subsequent turn is located. * When the user wanders off the route, it is automatically recalculated and updated turn information is announced. * Point your phone in a given direction to hear what is nearby with the LookAround Wand. * Nearby Points of interest and intersections are automatically announced. For more information go tohttp://www.senderogroup.com/products/shopseeingeyegps.htm New 2013 Sendero products Announcing Sendero PC GPS 2013, adds GPS functionality to Sendero PC Maps and works on Windows laptops, Tablets, and ultrabooks. New 2013 maps and POIs for Sendero GPS, Sense Navigation, and Mobile Geo plus much faster POI searches Not going to CSUN – No problem! Thanks to the folks at Accessible World Tek Talk, you can join in the fun and listen into the following presentations. February 28, Thursday, 9:30 - 10:30 PM, Testing a Prototype iPhone People Finder App March 1, Friday, 2:00 - 3:00 PM, Showing the Seeing Eye GPS iPhone App Just go to: http://conference321.com/masteradmin/room.asp?id=rsc9613dc89eb2 at the scheduled session time. If you are a first-time user of the Talking Communities online conferencing software, there is a small, safe software program that you need to download and then run. Visithttp://accessibleworld.org/audio-tc-faq-page for information on how to get your computer set up for the session. For more information on all of these items, go tohttp://www.SenderoGroup.com or call Sendero toll free at 1-888-757-6810 Don't forget to sign up for our SenderoGPS Twitter account to hear play-by-play comments as the new iPhone app is rolled out! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email toviphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google
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Chuck, I'm not sure this is right, where did you read this specifically? can you copy / paste the section that led you to this view? thanks. Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 27 Feb 2013, at 18:09, Charles Dean chuckd...@icloud.com wrote: I wish the people replying to these posts would read the information before they post. According to the website, Sandero is indeed going to include maps on the phone. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze any tie ping or spelin airors. On Feb 27, 2013, at 10:43 AM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hi Bob, Sendero LookAround uses data to look up map information and somehow I doubt they would put the maps on the phone, but I guess we'll see. Keep in mind that your GPS application accessing map data will not use up huge amounts of data. I am also in Canada and while I am now on a 2 Gig plan I used to be on a flex plan and I have a hard time using even 1 Gig of data a month, of course I am not streaming music all day long through my phone, but I am also not particularly careful, I download apps via 3G, make VoIP calls via 3G and even download or stream the occasional podcast. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert Fenton Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 7:36 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access! Hello. The reason I asked about price earlier was simply to know how much I would be paying to obtain the product. There is little question that I will be purchasing it. The only factors that might convince me otherwise is if Canadian maps are not available or if maps are only available via data plan. The latter factor would substantially increase my bottom line cost for using the app since at the time of purchasing my cell phone contract, no unlimited data plans were available in the jurisdiction where I live. So, my initial question about price was a relatively simple one. I had no idea the discussion would take the philosophical turns it has. Sorry if that has bothered anybody. J Bob Fenton Sent from my iPhone On 2013-02-27, at 8:15 AM, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote: It's also worth bearing in mind that regardless of the price, unless of course it's free, there will be some people who think it's too much. This is understandable since the blind span the economic spectrum. It's also human nature and not specific to the blind. There are also those who will label it as a blind ghetto product and avoid it at all costs with the belief that main stream products should be made more accessible rather than investing in applications specific for the blind. I respect those who share this opinion, but I'm more pragmatic than religious on this point, i.e. I'll use whatever I need to to get the job done. I think my independence and ability to compete with my sighted peers does more to promote the independence of the blind than it does for me to avoid a product developed with the blind in mind. Again, this is just my opinion, and I definitely respect those with a contrary opinion. Finally, I can only speak for myself, but I'm not really too interested in what others think about whether a price is fair or not. As Raul says, this is a decision I'm going to make myself anyway. On 27/02/13 08:11, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote: One other nugget of thought to bear in mind, whatever is charged, Apple will be nabbing 30% of that, so just bear that in mind when the criticisms begin to flow. Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com http://www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com http://www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com mailto:serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 27 Feb 2013, at 06:49, Charles Dean chuckd...@icloud.com mailto:chuckd...@icloud.com wrote: Years ago I bought the human ware Trekker which cost over twelve hundred dollars. Considering the freedom it gave me, I still think it was worth every penny. Unfortunately, so many apps are so inexpensive that when one appears with a higher prize tag, many of us get a little sticker shock. If this app proves to be as good as I hope, I will buy it no matter what the costs. Chuck
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Mark, You assume that they, Sendero, did not already approach the likes of Navigon et al, with a view to doing just that… Perhaps they did, perhaps they did not… perhaps they did and the mainstream partners were not interested. Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 28 Feb 2013, at 03:36, Mark BurningHawk stone_tr...@sbcglobal.net wrote: So it would still make more sense to partner with a company who makes such a silent, visually appealing app, and piggy-back a Sendero type level of verbal interaction at the user's command. This, after all, is what VoiceOver does to the native IOS when it's invoked. Then, this amortization thing you speak of can be spread not only over a wider customer base but over two companies' resources. The problem with a product that costs significantly higher because it's targeted primarily toward blind people … Okay, let me start that again… *another* problem with this approach is that there are agencies and the like with deep pockets who will justify such a purchase in their rehab or other budgets, which keeps up the barrier between the blind and the world at large. I see a win-win for Sendero to partner with a more conventionally familiar name, I.E. Garnin or someone, or even with the Apple Maps app, provide their product as an option when wanted, and at a significantly lower cost to everyone. Will I get it and all the maps I need when it comes out? Most likely, unless it's off the scale. I personally hope at least one , or home, map comes free with it, or perhaps a set, one from each map source. But making the price too high might not be as damaging as making the target user base too small. Reinventing the wheel seems a bit redundant, if you'll allow me to repeat myself a little bit one more time again. Mark BurningHawk Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 Home page: Http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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Very well said, Raul. I ignored all the chatter about Braille Touch, and had no intention of buying it. But... My interest was piqued enough to try the free trial version. I love this app and am glad to have made the purchase. It really comes down to what is the worth to you, as the user. Crystal From: Raul A. Gallegos Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 12:36 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access! The one thing to keep in mind once the price is announced is how much is this app worth to some of us. Remember that specific installs for the braille note and braille cents products cost more than $600. Also remember that many commercial GPS apps for the iPhone itself can cost anywhere from $25-$55. I have no idea what the price for this app will be, however I do know that once that price is announced if people don't like it there will definitely be a lot of vocalization from peoples opinions. I only say this because any time and accessibility app is announced in that price is more than five dollars, people seem to make a big deal over it. I can look through the archives and discussions of the access notetaker app, blindsquare, Fleksy, Sendero's Look Around app, and the various daisy readers Have mostly initially been met with criticism over the price. Some people will purchase the app despite the cost because they want to support the developer. Others will purchase the app because it is worth it to them. And still others might wait for the app to go on sale before they make a purchase. My purchasing history shows that depending on the app in question I could fall into any of those categories. Fleksy and blindsquare were apps which I purchased only after they went on sale. Yet voice dream reader and looktel recognizer were apps I purchased at full price. And finally, apps light digit-eyes and read2go our ones which I have not purchased and don't intend to. So my only point in writing this message is to remind everyone, including myself, that no matter what the price of a new app is, we will have to decide for ourselves if it is really worth it to us considering our personal needs and the features contained in the app. Cheers! On Feb 26, 2013, at 11:04 PM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hi List, This does indeed sound very promising and I especially think one of the best news about this is that they use both Navteq and OSM maps as well as POI’s from Navteq, Foursquare and OSM. This should really provide very good and up-to-date map and POI information. Maybe we can all have a few less apps on the phone since this one will most likely make some others redundant. I also would imagine that since Seeing-Eye is involved in funding the project that the price for the app maybe more reasonable than we all may think. Best regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 2:02 PM To: ViPone list Subject: Fwd: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access! I wasn't sure if this had been seen on this list: From: senderogps-bou...@freelists.org [mailto:senderogps-bou...@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Kim Casey Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 4:07 PM To: 'Kim Casey' Subject: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access! Sendero Group has been designing accessible GPS since 1994. Almost 20 years of user feedback and feature requests are behind the design of all Sendero GPS products. The accessible features in Seeing Eye GPS are only the beginning of what is yet to come as users help in evolving this first fully accessible GPS product for the iPhone. To participate in the preview, visit us at CSUN Booth 521 or reply to this email and we will send you a link for a Test Flight as soon as it is available. About Seeing Eye GPS Getting around independently is a function of good mobility tools like a guide dog or cane and good orientation tools like accessible GPS. Two pioneers in their fields, The Seeing Eye and Sendero Group have teamed up to provide a fully accessible turn-by-turn GPS iPhone app with all the normal navigation features plus features unique to blind users. * Instead of multiple layers of menus, the 3 important navigation elements are on the lower portion of every screen, Route, POIs and Location. * At intersections, the street name and your direction of travel are announced. * Intersections are described like 4-way with the clock face orientation of the streets. * There are 3 choices for POI data and 2 map sources. * Directions are configured appropriately for Pedestrian and vehicle
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Hi, APH has come out with an android GPS that does store maps on the phone. However, this has it's disadvantages too in that they likely won't be update as often as cloud maps. But of course, Androids can use Google maps, but the iPhone. Afraid not. Neal -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Grant Hardy Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 5:11 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access! Hi Sieghard, Like you, I'm not too concerned about GPS apps chewing through huge amounts of data. The bigger concern for me is reliability. Cellular data isn't always perfect and it seems clear that you are more likely to get a smooth experience if map data is stored locally rather than in the cloud. Also, for people who don't have unlocked phones it will mean that they probably will not want to use a GPS app that accesses data while roaming. Therefore, I do hope Sendero will consider storing at least some data locally in a future update. Grant On 2/27/13, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hi Bob, Sendero LookAround uses data to look up map information and somehow I doubt they would put the maps on the phone, but I guess we'll see. Keep in mind that your GPS application accessing map data will not use up huge amounts of data. I am also in Canada and while I am now on a 2 Gig plan I used to be on a flex plan and I have a hard time using even 1 Gig of data a month, of course I am not streaming music all day long through my phone, but I am also not particularly careful, I download apps via 3G, make VoIP calls via 3G and even download or stream the occasional podcast. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert Fenton Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 7:36 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access! Hello. The reason I asked about price earlier was simply to know how much I would be paying to obtain the product. There is little question that I will be purchasing it. The only factors that might convince me otherwise is if Canadian maps are not available or if maps are only available via data plan. The latter factor would substantially increase my bottom line cost for using the app since at the time of purchasing my cell phone contract, no unlimited data plans were available in the jurisdiction where I live. So, my initial question about price was a relatively simple one. I had no idea the discussion would take the philosophical turns it has. Sorry if that has bothered anybody. J Bob Fenton Sent from my iPhone On 2013-02-27, at 8:15 AM, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote: It's also worth bearing in mind that regardless of the price, unless of course it's free, there will be some people who think it's too much. This is understandable since the blind span the economic spectrum. It's also human nature and not specific to the blind. There are also those who will label it as a blind ghetto product and avoid it at all costs with the belief that main stream products should be made more accessible rather than investing in applications specific for the blind. I respect those who share this opinion, but I'm more pragmatic than religious on this point, i.e. I'll use whatever I need to to get the job done. I think my independence and ability to compete with my sighted peers does more to promote the independence of the blind than it does for me to avoid a product developed with the blind in mind. Again, this is just my opinion, and I definitely respect those with a contrary opinion. Finally, I can only speak for myself, but I'm not really too interested in what others think about whether a price is fair or not. As Raul says, this is a decision I'm going to make myself anyway. On 27/02/13 08:11, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote: One other nugget of thought to bear in mind, whatever is charged, Apple will be nabbing 30% of that, so just bear that in mind when the criticisms begin to flow. Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com http://www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com http://www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com mailto:serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 27 Feb 2013, at 06:49, Charles Dean chuckd...@icloud.com mailto:chuckd...@icloud.com wrote: Years ago I bought the human ware Trekker which cost over twelve hundred dollars. Considering the freedom it gave me, I still think
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Hi: The users guide doesn't say whether the maps are on the phone or not. I would like to know the answer to that as well. Also I haven't heard anything about when the app will be released. On 2/27/13, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hi Charles, I am not sure what part of the website you found that talks about maps being on the phone. Maybe it's in the user guide which I admit I haven't read and probably won't read until I have the app, but here is the entire blurb I found on Sendero's website about the Seeing Eye app and I don't see any reference to whether maps will be on a server or stored on the phone. Maybe for some of those who haven't bothered going to the website this will be useful and I have also included the link to the user manual below the app description for those who want to read it: Announcing Seeing Eye GPS App Sendero Group has been designing accessible GPS since 1994. Almost 20 years of user feedback and feature requests are behind the design of all Sendero GPS products. The accessible features in Seeing Eye GPS are only the beginning of what is yet to come as users help in evolving this first fully accessible GPS product for the iPhone. Thank you to all of those who have volunteered to participate in the preview. We have received a more enthusiastic response than we anticipated, close to 300 people in less than 24 hours, and we are no longer able to accept any more entries and will randomly select 100 from the 300 who have already signed up. Seeing Eye GPS has maps for North America only. Once we release Seeing Eye GPS, we will be working on a version for UK and Europe customers. About Seeing Eye GPS Getting around independently is a function of good mobility tools like a guide dog or cane and good orientation tools like accessible GPS. Two pioneers in their fields, The Seeing Eye and Sendero Group have teamed up to provide a fully accessible turn-by-turn GPS iPhone app with all the normal navigation features plus features unique to blind users. . Instead of multiple layers of menus, the 3 important navigation elements are on the lower portion of every screen, Route, POIs and Location. . At intersections, the street name and your direction of travel are announced. . Intersections are described like 4-way with the clock face orientation of the streets. . There are three choices for POI data (Navteq, Foursquare, and OSM) and two map sources (Navteq and OSM). . Directions are configured appropriately for Pedestrian and vehicle routes including heads up when approaching a turn, the turn now indication, continue straight and where the subsequent turn is located. . When the user wanders off the route, it is automatically recalculated and updated turn information is announced. . Point your phone in a given direction to hear what is nearby with the LookAround Wand. . Nearby Points of interest and intersections are automatically announced. Check out the User's Guide for details on all features: http://www.senderogroup.com/support/supportseeingeye.htm Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Charles Dean Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 10:10 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access! I wish the people replying to these posts would read the information before they post. According to the website, Sandero is indeed going to include maps on the phone. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze any tie ping or spelin airors. On Feb 27, 2013, at 10:43 AM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hi Bob, Sendero LookAround uses data to look up map information and somehow I doubt they would put the maps on the phone, but I guess we'll see. Keep in mind that your GPS application accessing map data will not use up huge amounts of data. I am also in Canada and while I am now on a 2 Gig plan I used to be on a flex plan and I have a hard time using even 1 Gig of data a month, of course I am not streaming music all day long through my phone, but I am also not particularly careful, I download apps via 3G, make VoIP calls via 3G and even download or stream the occasional podcast. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert Fenton Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 7:36 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access! Hello. The reason I asked about price earlier was simply to know how much I would be paying to obtain the product. There is little question that I will be purchasing it. The only factors that might convince me otherwise is if Canadian maps are not available or if maps are only available via data plan. The latter factor would
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I have experience with testing GPS for the blind sense 2005. No one asked me either. - Original Message - From: Louise Redsull To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 9:26 AM Subject: RE: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access! I wonder what the people finder app is like and how it works. Also was just wondering if anybody on list has received an email to say they were selected as a tester. Take care, Louise. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: 26 February 2013 10:02 PM To: ViPone list Subject: Fwd: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access! I wasn't sure if this had been seen on this list: From: senderogps-bou...@freelists.org [mailto:senderogps-bou...@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Kim Casey Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 4:07 PM To: 'Kim Casey' Subject: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access! Sendero Group has been designing accessible GPS since 1994. Almost 20 years of user feedback and feature requests are behind the design of all Sendero GPS products. The accessible features in Seeing Eye GPS are only the beginning of what is yet to come as users help in evolving this first fully accessible GPS product for the iPhone. To participate in the preview, visit us at CSUN Booth 521 or reply to this email and we will send you a link for a Test Flight as soon as it is available. About Seeing Eye GPS Getting around independently is a function of good mobility tools like a guide dog or cane and good orientation tools like accessible GPS. Two pioneers in their fields, The Seeing Eye and Sendero Group have teamed up to provide a fully accessible turn-by-turn GPS iPhone app with all the normal navigation features plus features unique to blind users. * Instead of multiple layers of menus, the 3 important navigation elements are on the lower portion of every screen, Route, POIs and Location. * At intersections, the street name and your direction of travel are announced. * Intersections are described like 4-way with the clock face orientation of the streets. * There are 3 choices for POI data and 2 map sources. * Directions are configured appropriately for Pedestrian and vehicle routes including heads up when approaching a turn, the turn now indication, continue straight and where the subsequent turn is located. * When the user wanders off the route, it is automatically recalculated and updated turn information is announced. * Point your phone in a given direction to hear what is nearby with the LookAround Wand. * Nearby Points of interest and intersections are automatically announced. For more information go to http://www.senderogroup.com/products/shopseeingeyegps.htm New 2013 Sendero products Announcing Sendero PC GPS 2013, adds GPS functionality to Sendero PC Maps and works on Windows laptops, Tablets, and ultrabooks. New 2013 maps and POIs for Sendero GPS, Sense Navigation, and Mobile Geo plus much faster POI searches Not going to CSUN - No problem! Thanks to the folks at Accessible World Tek Talk, you can join in the fun and listen into the following presentations. February 28, Thursday, 9:30 - 10:30 PM, Testing a Prototype iPhone People Finder App March 1, Friday, 2:00 - 3:00 PM, Showing the Seeing Eye GPS iPhone App Just go to: http://conference321.com/masteradmin/room.asp?id=rsc9613dc89eb2 at the scheduled session time. If you are a first-time user of the Talking Communities online conferencing software, there is a small, safe software program that you need to download and then run. Visit http://accessibleworld.org/audio-tc-faq-page for information on how to get your computer set up for the session. For more information on all of these items, go to http://www.SenderoGroup.com or call Sendero toll free at 1-888-757-6810 Don't forget to sign up for our SenderoGPS Twitter account to hear play-by-play comments as the new iPhone app is rolled out! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email
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One thing which needs mentioning is that at first only maps for North America will be available according to the companies web site. I'm looking forward to testing this product out. I hope that they provide a demo though. On 2/27/13, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote: It's also worth bearing in mind that regardless of the price, unless of course it's free, there will be some people who think it's too much. This is understandable since the blind span the economic spectrum. It's also human nature and not specific to the blind. There are also those who will label it as a blind ghetto product and avoid it at all costs with the belief that main stream products should be made more accessible rather than investing in applications specific for the blind. I respect those who share this opinion, but I'm more pragmatic than religious on this point, i.e. I'll use whatever I need to to get the job done. I think my independence and ability to compete with my sighted peers does more to promote the independence of the blind than it does for me to avoid a product developed with the blind in mind. Again, this is just my opinion, and I definitely respect those with a contrary opinion. Finally, I can only speak for myself, but I'm not really too interested in what others think about whether a price is fair or not. As Raul says, this is a decision I'm going to make myself anyway. On 27/02/13 08:11, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote: One other nugget of thought to bear in mind, whatever is charged, Apple will be nabbing 30% of that, so just bear that in mind when the criticisms begin to flow. Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com http://www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com http://www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com mailto:serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 27 Feb 2013, at 06:49, Charles Dean chuckd...@icloud.com mailto:chuckd...@icloud.com wrote: Years ago I bought the human ware Trekker which cost over twelve hundred dollars. Considering the freedom it gave me, I still think it was worth every penny. Unfortunately, so many apps are so inexpensive that when one appears with a higher prize tag, many of us get a little sticker shock. If this app proves to be as good as I hope, I will buy it no matter what the costs. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze any tie ping or spelin airors. On Feb 26, 2013, at 11:36 PM, Raul A. Gallegos r...@raulgallegos.com mailto:r...@raulgallegos.com wrote: The one thing to keep in mind once the price is announced is how much is this app worth to some of us. Remember that specific installs for the braille note and braille cents products cost more than $600. Also remember that many commercial GPS apps for the iPhone itself can cost anywhere from $25-$55. I have no idea what the price for this app will be, however I do know that once that price is announced if people don't like it there will definitely be a lot of vocalization from peoples opinions. I only say this because any time and accessibility app is announced in that price is more than five dollars, people seem to make a big deal over it. I can look through the archives and discussions of the access notetaker app, blindsquare, Fleksy, Sendero's Look Around app, and the various daisy readers Have mostly initially been met with criticism over the price. Some people will purchase the app despite the cost because they want to support the developer. Others will purchase the app because it is worth it to them. And still others might wait for the app to go on sale before they make a purchase. My purchasing history shows that depending on the app in question I could fall into any of those categories. Fleksy and blindsquare were apps which I purchased only after they went on sale. Yet voice dream reader and looktel recognizer were apps I purchased at full price. And finally, apps light digit-eyes and read2go our ones which I have not purchased and don't intend to. So my only point in writing this message is to remind everyone, including myself, that no matter what the price of a new app is, we will have to decide for ourselves if it is really worth it to us considering our personal needs and the features contained in the app. Cheers! On Feb 26, 2013, at 11:04 PM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca mailto:siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hi List, This does indeed sound very promising and I especially think one of the best news about this is that they use both Navteq and OSM maps as well as POI’s from Navteq, Foursquare and OSM. This should really provide very good and up-to-date map and POI information. Maybe we can all have a few less apps on the phone since this one will most likely make
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Does it have explore mode I wonder, like trekker does Sent from my iPhone On 26 Feb 2013, at 22:01, Richard Turner richard.turne...@gmail.com wrote: I wasn't sure if this had been seen on this list: From: senderogps-bou...@freelists.org [mailto:senderogps-bou...@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Kim Casey Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 4:07 PM To: 'Kim Casey' Subject: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access! Sendero Group has been designing accessible GPS since 1994. Almost 20 years of user feedback and feature requests are behind the design of all Sendero GPS products. The accessible features in Seeing Eye GPS are only the beginning of what is yet to come as users help in evolving this first fully accessible GPS product for the iPhone. To participate in the preview, visit us at CSUN Booth 521 or reply to this email and we will send you a link for a Test Flight as soon as it is available. About Seeing Eye GPS Getting around independently is a function of good mobility tools like a guide dog or cane and good orientation tools like accessible GPS. Two pioneers in their fields, The Seeing Eye and Sendero Group have teamed up to provide a fully accessible turn-by-turn GPS iPhone app with all the normal navigation features plus features unique to blind users. * Instead of multiple layers of menus, the 3 important navigation elements are on the lower portion of every screen, Route, POIs and Location. * At intersections, the street name and your direction of travel are announced. * Intersections are described like 4-way with the clock face orientation of the streets. * There are 3 choices for POI data and 2 map sources. * Directions are configured appropriately for Pedestrian and vehicle routes including heads up when approaching a turn, the turn now indication, continue straight and where the subsequent turn is located. * When the user wanders off the route, it is automatically recalculated and updated turn information is announced. * Point your phone in a given direction to hear what is nearby with the LookAround Wand. * Nearby Points of interest and intersections are automatically announced. For more information go to http://www.senderogroup.com/products/shopseeingeyegps.htm New 2013 Sendero products Announcing Sendero PC GPS 2013, adds GPS functionality to Sendero PC Maps and works on Windows laptops, Tablets, and ultrabooks. New 2013 maps and POIs for Sendero GPS, Sense Navigation, and Mobile Geo plus much faster POI searches Not going to CSUN – No problem! Thanks to the folks at Accessible World Tek Talk, you can join in the fun and listen into the following presentations. February 28, Thursday, 9:30 - 10:30 PM, Testing a Prototype iPhone People Finder App March 1, Friday, 2:00 - 3:00 PM, Showing the Seeing Eye GPS iPhone App Just go to: http://conference321.com/masteradmin/room.asp?id=rsc9613dc89eb2 at the scheduled session time. If you are a first-time user of the Talking Communities online conferencing software, there is a small, safe software program that you need to download and then run. Visit http://accessibleworld.org/audio-tc-faq-page for information on how to get your computer set up for the session. For more information on all of these items, go to http://www.SenderoGroup.com or call Sendero toll free at 1-888-757-6810 Don't forget to sign up for our SenderoGPS Twitter account to hear play-by-play comments as the new iPhone app is rolled out! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to
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My apologies to the list for forwarding the message about the Seeing Eye GPS app and assuming that people would be able to figure out how to contact Sendero group since their phone number was in the message and the fact that since the message was a forward, replying to it would just go to the list. The test group was apparently full by the time I forwarded the message anyway. Before I ever forward anything like this again I will make sure to edit out anything that could make one think they could reply to the message and do anything more than waste time on the list. I just thought folks would like to know what was happening. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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Don't feel bad Richard, you had the right idea. Believe it or not, the same thing happened GPS users list. People were instructed to reply privately to Sendera, but you should've seen the number of messages that went to the GPS list asking to be a tester. People have to take time to read these messages, then they will make sense. Jamell. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 28, 2013, at 9:19 AM, Richard Turner richard.turne...@gmail.com wrote: My apologies to the list for forwarding the message about the Seeing Eye GPS app and assuming that people would be able to figure out how to contact Sendero group since their phone number was in the message and the fact that since the message was a forward, replying to it would just go to the list. The test group was apparently full by the time I forwarded the message anyway. Before I ever forward anything like this again I will make sure to edit out anything that could make one think they could reply to the message and do anything more than waste time on the list. I just thought folks would like to know what was happening. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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I don't think we know the price of this app yet, and the restriction to North America is just for version 1.0 of the app. On 28/02/13 02:25, Fanus wrote: Hello Sieghard and list There is another aspect with makes me very unhappy and that is the price. We saw this with Nearby Explorer and now with Seeing Eye, and that is that developers of blind apps make them available to only part of the blind community. From what I could gather from APh is that Nearby Explorer will eventually only be available for the US and Europe. Now we see the same with Seeing Eye: only for US and Europe. That was the same for the Voice Sense GPs. A friend here in South Africa had to purchase the local maps from Hims for Nearly half the price of the Voice Sense, so I assume if we would like to use seeing eye it would cost so much for the maps, if any, that it would not be worth while. Regards Fanus - Original Message - From: Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 7:04 AM Subject: RE: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access! Hi Christopher and Mark, You are correct, Christopher, Garmin has no reason why they should engage in such a partnership, in fact, they would never do so since they would have to give Sendero access to their entire code and then make sure what Sendero does is not messing up anything else. Navigon, of course, is owned by Garmin so there is no difference there. Comparing Voiceover with something like GPS apps of course is comparing Apples to Oranges (pun intended) since Voiceover is developed by Apple because Apple chose to make their devices accessible. I guess one could say that if Garmin did make such a huge commitment to accessibility something like what Mark invisions could theoretically be possible, but making one app accessible does not nearly carry the importance of making an entire group of devices, an entire platform and an entire eco-system of content accessible. If Garmin had any interest in that they could have long since included accessibility in many of their stand-along Nuvi products. I know that Mark, and I mean no offense by this, seems to have a huge problem with anything that even hints at being geared towards the visually impaired. Those among us who understand that some things are just done better when they are done with the blind user in mind typically have no such problem especially if the product or, in this case, app in question most likely will be well within the price range of 95% or 98% of iPhone users. You could take Mark's argument and apply it to anything. I am not sure if Mark has a guide dog or is using a cane, but if he is using a cane, why not lobby the manufacturers of white canes to make them more appealing so that maybe sighted people would also buy them as walking sticks or whatever. Maybe they could come with all sorts of cool graphics and white ones would only be 2% of all canes manufacturered and instead of $25 they would now cost only $18. OK, enough said on this topic, there is always Apple Maps which does have a significant amount of accessibility built into it and there are apps like Navigon, Motion GPS or TomTom, of course Mark would have to use a blindness specific app like Blindsquare, Ariadne or Sendero LookAround to get the most out of them as all of us who have been using these solutions for the last few years have done. I definitely prefer to spend whatever Sendero will charge for the Seeing Eye app in the hope that I will get all of what I can do now with several apps and in time probably more out of one app. If I add up all I spend on the various GPS apps hoping I find one that works better than another I could have probably bought the Seeing Eye app twice over. That of course is not taking into account the$2,000 I spend in 2007 to buy a Trekker Maestro and the $900 I spent in 2009 to buy MobileGeo after I bought my first Windows Smartphone with MobileSpeak. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 7:58 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access! I'm not sure how this would work. What would be Garmin's motivation for doing this? I'm not sure the development costs still wouldn't be more to provide an accessible option to a given product than develop an accessible product from the ground up. The amortization argument was mostly targeted at the downloading of maps, which we know this product won't do. It also isn't clear that this product will cost significantly more than existing products. Agencies
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Well, I'm not quite sure I'm following your point, and it looks like you removed the thread you were replying to, so I may be going off on a tangent. I agree off the shelf products should be made accessible, and the blind and the sighted should use the same products and applications whenever possible. My concern is when this isn't possible though. If, for example, this new GPS app gives me features I don't have in any existing app and makes it easier for me to navigate independently, why shouldn't I take advantage of it? Seems to me that I'm more on par with my sighted peers if I'm able to travel and get around more independently. Maybe Seeing Eye could have approached Garmin or some other company to add the features and accessibility options the blind are interested in, but I'm not sure they didn't already do that, or that if they did, it was going to be financially feasible for them. Sure, adding these features and options into an application right from the outset may be cheaper than developing a new application, but I do know retrofitting features and accessibility into an application that wasn't designed with that in mind is going to be more expensive. Seeing Eye could have also tried to develop a GPS application that would have the features of particular interest to the blind, as well as appeal to the sighted, but then they'd have to compete with free apps like Google Maps, Apple Maps and MapQuest, as well as differentiate themselves enough from NaviGon or Tom Tom to get sighted people interested in their app.. I'm not sure Seeing Eye is willing to or has the resources to go toe to toe with the likes of Garmin and Tom Tom. On 27/02/13 23:19, Mark BurningHawk wrote: Wow. well, thanks for making it personal, there. Appreciate that, but not so much. What *I* personally have a problem with, since you brought it up, is anything that raises the barriers that sight imposes between blind and sighted persons, instead of lowering them or making that barrier meaningless. If this is a white cane versus a black or tan or whatever cane, fine. If it a GPS app that has a cheaper price but has a sub-level for blind people, designed by blind people, then I think that's a better way to go than reinventing the wheel of GPS apps for the blind, charging them and only them or their agencies more, and relegating the blind to their own separate portion of the market. Apple has shown by example that this is not necessarily the result for blind people who use technology. Many sighted companies--certain US-based airlines spring to mind--merge to provide a more complete range of services--why couldn't this be a more feasible approach to a GPS app that is universally accessible? The same argument you use when you say that one company making devices universally accessible does not make the industry standard, is used all the time to keep whole countries from going green, by switching to alternative energy sources. As for your comparison to canes, I guess you haven't been to any page selling canes or their accessories lately--if so, you'll find a large list of said accessories visually designed for matching with your shoes, hand-bag, golf bag, whatever. And, just to clear this up, I'm a 23-year veteran with four guide dogs' lives worth of service to my credit, I've lived all over the US in every conceivable environmental and mobility situation. I'm just very lucky to be a basic black, wearing type individual, so I haven't had to accessorize my black lab much. Oh, and they have tons of guide dog harness accessories, not to mention the usual run of silly doggie booties and sweaters and the lot. You say that Some things are just better when they are done with the blind person in mind, I have to ask, Who is doing these things? a sighted overlord? Things done with me in mind have almost killed me too many times to count, sir, and if you must know, it is things done with me and my good in mind that I have a huge objection to. So should every thinking person. Mark BurningHawk Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 Home page: Http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain at Gmail -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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Hi Neil, And there is of course that small issue of general accessibility where the iPhone does and will continue to kick the perverbial Android butt for a long time to come. Just saying *smile* Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Neal Ewers Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 4:25 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access! Hi, APH has come out with an android GPS that does store maps on the phone. However, this has it's disadvantages too in that they likely won't be update as often as cloud maps. But of course, Androids can use Google maps, but the iPhone. Afraid not. Neal -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Grant Hardy Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 5:11 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access! Hi Sieghard, Like you, I'm not too concerned about GPS apps chewing through huge amounts of data. The bigger concern for me is reliability. Cellular data isn't always perfect and it seems clear that you are more likely to get a smooth experience if map data is stored locally rather than in the cloud. Also, for people who don't have unlocked phones it will mean that they probably will not want to use a GPS app that accesses data while roaming. Therefore, I do hope Sendero will consider storing at least some data locally in a future update. Grant On 2/27/13, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hi Bob, Sendero LookAround uses data to look up map information and somehow I doubt they would put the maps on the phone, but I guess we'll see. Keep in mind that your GPS application accessing map data will not use up huge amounts of data. I am also in Canada and while I am now on a 2 Gig plan I used to be on a flex plan and I have a hard time using even 1 Gig of data a month, of course I am not streaming music all day long through my phone, but I am also not particularly careful, I download apps via 3G, make VoIP calls via 3G and even download or stream the occasional podcast. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert Fenton Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 7:36 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access! Hello. The reason I asked about price earlier was simply to know how much I would be paying to obtain the product. There is little question that I will be purchasing it. The only factors that might convince me otherwise is if Canadian maps are not available or if maps are only available via data plan. The latter factor would substantially increase my bottom line cost for using the app since at the time of purchasing my cell phone contract, no unlimited data plans were available in the jurisdiction where I live. So, my initial question about price was a relatively simple one. I had no idea the discussion would take the philosophical turns it has. Sorry if that has bothered anybody. J Bob Fenton Sent from my iPhone On 2013-02-27, at 8:15 AM, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote: It's also worth bearing in mind that regardless of the price, unless of course it's free, there will be some people who think it's too much. This is understandable since the blind span the economic spectrum. It's also human nature and not specific to the blind. There are also those who will label it as a blind ghetto product and avoid it at all costs with the belief that main stream products should be made more accessible rather than investing in applications specific for the blind. I respect those who share this opinion, but I'm more pragmatic than religious on this point, i.e. I'll use whatever I need to to get the job done. I think my independence and ability to compete with my sighted peers does more to promote the independence of the blind than it does for me to avoid a product developed with the blind in mind. Again, this is just my opinion, and I definitely respect those with a contrary opinion. Finally, I can only speak for myself, but I'm not really too interested in what others think about whether a price is fair or not. As Raul says, this is a decision I'm going to make myself anyway. On 27/02/13 08:11, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote: One other nugget of thought to bear in mind, whatever is charged, Apple will be nabbing 30% of that, so just bear that in mind when the criticisms begin to flow. Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple iOS, Macintosh
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Hi Sieghard, lol. I tend to agree with you. But, this isn't because the eyes free team isn't working hard. I believe its just a byproduct of Androids openness. Having an Android tablet, (the nexus 7) I feel like its the wild wild west sometimes. This is good in many respects but, I think a certain level of uniformity just makes for better accessibility. For example, you can recommend an Android app, and say its accessible on your device, and people running another version of Android, talkback, or completely different device from yours will have a vastly different story to tell. On IOS, you recommend an app for the iPhone, and it will almost surely work on every single IOS device running IOS 5 or later, and every device from the 3GS and onward. Including all iPads and iPod touches. Unless the app relies on GPS. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Feb 28, 2013, at 12:43 PM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hi Neil, And there is of course that small issue of general accessibility where the iPhone does and will continue to kick the perverbial Android butt for a long time to come. Just saying *smile* Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Neal Ewers Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 4:25 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access! Hi, APH has come out with an android GPS that does store maps on the phone. However, this has it's disadvantages too in that they likely won't be update as often as cloud maps. But of course, Androids can use Google maps, but the iPhone. Afraid not. Neal -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Grant Hardy Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 5:11 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access! Hi Sieghard, Like you, I'm not too concerned about GPS apps chewing through huge amounts of data. The bigger concern for me is reliability. Cellular data isn't always perfect and it seems clear that you are more likely to get a smooth experience if map data is stored locally rather than in the cloud. Also, for people who don't have unlocked phones it will mean that they probably will not want to use a GPS app that accesses data while roaming. Therefore, I do hope Sendero will consider storing at least some data locally in a future update. Grant On 2/27/13, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hi Bob, Sendero LookAround uses data to look up map information and somehow I doubt they would put the maps on the phone, but I guess we'll see. Keep in mind that your GPS application accessing map data will not use up huge amounts of data. I am also in Canada and while I am now on a 2 Gig plan I used to be on a flex plan and I have a hard time using even 1 Gig of data a month, of course I am not streaming music all day long through my phone, but I am also not particularly careful, I download apps via 3G, make VoIP calls via 3G and even download or stream the occasional podcast. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert Fenton Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 7:36 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access! Hello. The reason I asked about price earlier was simply to know how much I would be paying to obtain the product. There is little question that I will be purchasing it. The only factors that might convince me otherwise is if Canadian maps are not available or if maps are only available via data plan. The latter factor would substantially increase my bottom line cost for using the app since at the time of purchasing my cell phone contract, no unlimited data plans were available in the jurisdiction where I live. So, my initial question about price was a relatively simple one. I had no idea the discussion would take the philosophical turns it has. Sorry if that has bothered anybody. J Bob Fenton Sent from my iPhone On 2013-02-27, at 8:15 AM, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote: It's also worth bearing in mind that regardless of the price, unless of course it's free, there will be some people who think it's too much. This is understandable since the blind span the economic spectrum. It's also human nature and not specific to the blind. There are also those who will label it as a blind ghetto product and avoid it at all costs with the belief that main stream products should be made more accessible rather than investing in applications
Re: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access!
Hi David, I am not sure if on line maps are cheaper. The American Printing House has just issued their blindness-oriented gps app on Android and, drum roll, it uses off line maps. Same small market, maybe even smaller, since as of now, it is only marketed in the U.S. and for the android-using population of blind folks. And my guess is there are fewer blind Android users than i-device users in this country. So, you may be right. But how, then is APH doing this with off line maps? And it is interesting that the reaction to folks to that app has been the opposite of what has happened here, that is, people want on line, not off line maps. As the saying goes, you can't win for losing. Mary Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access!
Does the Apple app store let companies provice demos? I didn't think so. The Mac store doesn't. And the maps are definitely not stored on the device. All in the cloud. Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access!
Mary, I have not worked in the GPS mapping industry, so am unaware of their specific pricing structures. My knowledge comes from work in the Optical Character Recognition, Text To Speech, and Speech To Text industries, ending about eight years ago. That said, I heard an interview with someone from APH at last year's CSUN conference. The person said APH was working directly and very closely with Google. I would guess that Google has given APH a special deal since APH is a nonprofit organisation. Google has developed their own maps/mapping database software, and their system also interfaces quite well with the Geographic Information System GIS maps databases. I know that other public organisations are working toward developing more user-friendly interfaces with governmental GIS database systems. For the most part, many countries provide free access to the raw data. The problem is that much of the raw data is unusable for GPS because of various reasons. Also, the amount of data varies greatly across areas / regions. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 01/03/2013, at 14:02, Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com wrote: Hi David, I am not sure if on line maps are cheaper. The American Printing House has just issued their blindness-oriented gps app on Android and, drum roll, it uses off line maps. Same small market, maybe even smaller, since as of now, it is only marketed in the U.S. and for the android-using population of blind folks. And my guess is there are fewer blind Android users than i-device users in this country. So, you may be right. But how, then is APH doing this with off line maps? And it is interesting that the reaction to folks to that app has been the opposite of what has happened here, that is, people want on line, not off line maps. As the saying goes, you can't win for losing. Mary Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access!
Well, all I know is that APH is using Navteq maps like Sendero, but APH's are on your device, whereas Sendero's are in the cloud. Go figure. Mary \ Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access!
James, thanks very much for posting this link. Yes, Mike Arrigo does a great job, and it was very interesting to listen to this podcast. The App sure does seem to be impressive for an initial release. I just hope it continues to be developed. APH doesn't always update products, their checkbook program is a prime example, although my guess is that they have a third party heavily involved in this effort. Les On Feb 27, 2013, at 9:52 PM, James Mannion mannion...@gmail.com wrote: I too am interested in this app. I also like what I have heard about the app from APH called Near By Explorer. It is only on the Android platform to the best of my knowledge right now. There is a great demo of it on blind-geek-zone.net. Its cost is about $100.00. I think that is reasonable. It is targeted to a smaller market than the main stream and I'm sure there is quite a bit that goes into research and development of the app. I think that app sets the bar right now, we'll see how this one compares. Maybe it will set a new standard, maybe it won't measure up or maybe it will be quite comparable. I think Raul put it well summing up how our community will react to whatever the price of this app. Both sides need to be reasonable, both the consumer and the people selling the app and setting the price. On 2/27/13, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote: Unless I'm missing something, the last time I checked, NaviGon was under $50 for maps that covered some subset of North America. I don't think it would cost you a couple of hundred dollars unless you got maps for a large part of the world. On 27/02/13 20:34, David Chittenden wrote: I am willing to bet that online maps are significantly less expensive. Consider that apps with built-in maps are about 100 or more times the cost, and that is with amortisation across a very large market. Unless people are willing to spend several hundred to a thousand dollars for the app, you are stuck with online maps. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 28/02/2013, at 15:10, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hi Grant, Definitely good points, I do have an unlocked phone, but when I was on Maui last April for 2 weeks I didn't bother to get a local SIM. ATT is the best option there as far as coverage and they basically told me I could not have a prepaid SIM with data. When I went to Las Vegas last November I ended up getting a SIM from T-Mobile, I believe it cost me about $45, they charged me $30 for the SIM and $11 to put some money on it. On Maui my friend and I used Navigon all the time because she has a pretty bad sense of direction and since we used it exclusively in the car it worked beautifully, it was always accurate and of course I had downloaded the maps for Hawaii before leaving so it was no problem. I completely agree that the option to download maps to the phone would be ideal. But as I also said, it's their first version and as long as the updates keep on coming and we see user feedback incorporated in these updates I have no problem at all to be patient and give them a chance to improve the app. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Grant Hardy Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 3:11 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access! Hi Sieghard, Like you, I'm not too concerned about GPS apps chewing through huge amounts of data. The bigger concern for me is reliability. Cellular data isn't always perfect and it seems clear that you are more likely to get a smooth experience if map data is stored locally rather than in the cloud. Also, for people who don't have unlocked phones it will mean that they probably will not want to use a GPS app that accesses data while roaming. Therefore, I do hope Sendero will consider storing at least some data locally in a future update. Grant On 2/27/13, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hi Bob, Sendero LookAround uses data to look up map information and somehow I doubt they would put the maps on the phone, but I guess we'll see. Keep in mind that your GPS application accessing map data will not use up huge amounts of data. I am also in Canada and while I am now on a 2 Gig plan I used to be on a flex plan and I have a hard time using even 1 Gig of data a month, of course I am not streaming music all day long through my phone, but I am also not particularly careful, I download apps via 3G, make VoIP calls via 3G and even download or stream the occasional podcast. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert Fenton Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 7:36 AM To: viphone
Re: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access!
Hi Les, This app is the one they've been developing for some time now for their braille plus 18 device. So it isn't' quite fair to compare it with the Sendero app, because it has been under development for quite a while, and was released with the APH hardware last year. I recall hearing demos of that app more than a year ago. Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access!
Hi, I just saw message from Mike may from Sandero indicating the price would be competitive in line with what people were willing to pay. We were queried about this in the GPS list several months ago. So I would be surprised if this comes in any more than $50-$100. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 27, 2013, at 1:36 AM, Raul A. Gallegos r...@raulgallegos.com wrote: The one thing to keep in mind once the price is announced is how much is this app worth to some of us. Remember that specific installs for the braille note and braille cents products cost more than $600. Also remember that many commercial GPS apps for the iPhone itself can cost anywhere from $25-$55. I have no idea what the price for this app will be, however I do know that once that price is announced if people don't like it there will definitely be a lot of vocalization from peoples opinions. I only say this because any time and accessibility app is announced in that price is more than five dollars, people seem to make a big deal over it. I can look through the archives and discussions of the access notetaker app, blindsquare, Fleksy, Sendero's Look Around app, and the various daisy readers Have mostly initially been met with criticism over the price. Some people will purchase the app despite the cost because they want to support the developer. Others will purchase the app because it is worth it to them. And still others might wait for the app to go on sale before they make a purchase. My purchasing history shows that depending on the app in question I could fall into any of those categories. Fleksy and blindsquare were apps which I purchased only after they went on sale. Yet voice dream reader and looktel recognizer were apps I purchased at full price. And finally, apps light digit-eyes and read2go our ones which I have not purchased and don't intend to. So my only point in writing this message is to remind everyone, including myself, that no matter what the price of a new app is, we will have to decide for ourselves if it is really worth it to us considering our personal needs and the features contained in the app. Cheers! On Feb 26, 2013, at 11:04 PM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hi List, This does indeed sound very promising and I especially think one of the best news about this is that they use both Navteq and OSM maps as well as POI’s from Navteq, Foursquare and OSM. This should really provide very good and up-to-date map and POI information. Maybe we can all have a few less apps on the phone since this one will most likely make some others redundant. I also would imagine that since Seeing-Eye is involved in funding the project that the price for the app maybe more reasonable than we all may think. Best regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 2:02 PM To: ViPone list Subject: Fwd: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access! I wasn't sure if this had been seen on this list: From: senderogps-bou...@freelists.org [mailto:senderogps-bou...@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Kim Casey Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 4:07 PM To: 'Kim Casey' Subject: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access! Sendero Group has been designing accessible GPS since 1994. Almost 20 years of user feedback and feature requests are behind the design of all Sendero GPS products. The accessible features in Seeing Eye GPS are only the beginning of what is yet to come as users help in evolving this first fully accessible GPS product for the iPhone. To participate in the preview, visit us at CSUN Booth 521 or reply to this email and we will send you a link for a Test Flight as soon as it is available. About Seeing Eye GPS Getting around independently is a function of good mobility tools like a guide dog or cane and good orientation tools like accessible GPS. Two pioneers in their fields, The Seeing Eye and Sendero Group have teamed up to provide a fully accessible turn-by-turn GPS iPhone app with all the normal navigation features plus features unique to blind users. * Instead of multiple layers of menus, the 3 important navigation elements are on the lower portion of every screen, Route, POIs and Location. * At intersections, the street name and your direction of travel are announced. * Intersections are described like 4-way with the clock face orientation of the streets. * There are 3 choices for POI data and 2 map sources. * Directions are configured appropriately for Pedestrian and vehicle routes including heads up when approaching a turn, the turn now indication, continue straight and where the subsequent turn is located. * When the user wanders off the
Re: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access!
Hi list, talking about presentation they said: February 28, Thursday, 9:30 - 10:30 PM, Testing a Prototype iPhone People Finder App March 1, Friday, 2:00 - 3:00 PM, Showing the Seeing Eye GPS iPhone App Sorry for this question, but which time zone are they referring to? I would like to listen to the presentation, but since I'm from Slovakia (Central Europe) the time zones in the U.S. make me confused. Just to avoid list traffic, feel free to e-mail me at: maria.orovcik...@gmail.com Thank youvery much for your help. Maria On 27.2.2013 3:49, Richard Turner wrote: The only information I am aware of is what was in the announcement. I hope to be able to listen to the presentation on Friday in hopes more will be revealed. Richard (Sent from Richard's iPod Touch 5th gen) On Feb 26, 2013, at 6:11 PM, Mark BurningHawk stone_tr...@sbcglobal.net mailto:stone_tr...@sbcglobal.net wrote: And is there a price for the non-preview non-free version? I'm hopefully getting an Iphone some time within the next two weeks. so YAY! Mark BurningHawk Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 Home page: Http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access!
On another list, Mike May said that the price would be a little higher than the price for a product like Navigon or Tomtom. When people were asked how much they would pay, most people said that this would be a fair arrangement. There was talk about a monthly subscription, but he said that this is difficult to manage through the app store, so there will be just one price. Andy] From: Raul A. Gallegos Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 10:36 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access! The one thing to keep in mind once the price is announced is how much is this app worth to some of us. Remember that specific installs for the braille note and braille cents products cost more than $600. Also remember that many commercial GPS apps for the iPhone itself can cost anywhere from $25-$55. I have no idea what the price for this app will be, however I do know that once that price is announced if people don't like it there will definitely be a lot of vocalization from peoples opinions. I only say this because any time and accessibility app is announced in that price is more than five dollars, people seem to make a big deal over it. I can look through the archives and discussions of the access notetaker app, blindsquare, Fleksy, Sendero's Look Around app, and the various daisy readers Have mostly initially been met with criticism over the price. Some people will purchase the app despite the cost because they want to support the developer. Others will purchase the app because it is worth it to them. And still others might wait for the app to go on sale before they make a purchase. My purchasing history shows that depending on the app in question I could fall into any of those categories. Fleksy and blindsquare were apps which I purchased only after they went on sale. Yet voice dream reader and looktel recognizer were apps I purchased at full price. And finally, apps light digit-eyes and read2go our ones which I have not purchased and don't intend to. So my only point in writing this message is to remind everyone, including myself, that no matter what the price of a new app is, we will have to decide for ourselves if it is really worth it to us considering our personal needs and the features contained in the app. Cheers! On Feb 26, 2013, at 11:04 PM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hi List, This does indeed sound very promising and I especially think one of the best news about this is that they use both Navteq and OSM maps as well as POI’s from Navteq, Foursquare and OSM. This should really provide very good and up-to-date map and POI information. Maybe we can all have a few less apps on the phone since this one will most likely make some others redundant. I also would imagine that since Seeing-Eye is involved in funding the project that the price for the app maybe more reasonable than we all may think. Best regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 2:02 PM To: ViPone list Subject: Fwd: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access! I wasn't sure if this had been seen on this list: From: senderogps-bou...@freelists.org [mailto:senderogps-bou...@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Kim Casey Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 4:07 PM To: 'Kim Casey' Subject: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access! Sendero Group has been designing accessible GPS since 1994. Almost 20 years of user feedback and feature requests are behind the design of all Sendero GPS products. The accessible features in Seeing Eye GPS are only the beginning of what is yet to come as users help in evolving this first fully accessible GPS product for the iPhone. To participate in the preview, visit us at CSUN Booth 521 or reply to this email and we will send you a link for a Test Flight as soon as it is available. About Seeing Eye GPS Getting around independently is a function of good mobility tools like a guide dog or cane and good orientation tools like accessible GPS. Two pioneers in their fields, The Seeing Eye and Sendero Group have teamed up to provide a fully accessible turn-by-turn GPS iPhone app with all the normal navigation features plus features unique to blind users. * Instead of multiple layers of menus, the 3 important navigation elements are on the lower portion of every screen, Route, POIs and Location. * At intersections, the street name and your direction of travel are announced. * Intersections are described like 4-way with the clock face orientation of the streets. * There are 3 choices for POI data and 2 map
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Hi, Then it will be interesting to see what Navigon is going to offer in the future that will benefit the blind. If they offer something that is as good or nearly as good as the Sendero thing,then at least for me, the choise is clear. /Krister 27 feb 2013 kl. 14:14 skrev Andy Baracco w...@socal.rr.com: On another list, Mike May said that the price would be a little higher than the price for a product like Navigon or Tomtom. When people were asked how much they would pay, most people said that this would be a fair arrangement. There was talk about a monthly subscription, but he said that this is difficult to manage through the app store, so there will be just one price. Andy] From: Raul A. Gallegos Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 10:36 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access! The one thing to keep in mind once the price is announced is how much is this app worth to some of us. Remember that specific installs for the braille note and braille cents products cost more than $600. Also remember that many commercial GPS apps for the iPhone itself can cost anywhere from $25-$55. I have no idea what the price for this app will be, however I do know that once that price is announced if people don't like it there will definitely be a lot of vocalization from peoples opinions. I only say this because any time and accessibility app is announced in that price is more than five dollars, people seem to make a big deal over it. I can look through the archives and discussions of the access notetaker app, blindsquare, Fleksy, Sendero's Look Around app, and the various daisy readers Have mostly initially been met with criticism over the price. Some people will purchase the app despite the cost because they want to support the developer. Others will purchase the app because it is worth it to them. And still others might wait for the app to go on sale before they make a purchase. My purchasing history shows that depending on the app in question I could fall into any of those categories. Fleksy and blindsquare were apps which I purchased only after they went on sale. Yet voice dream reader and looktel recognizer were apps I purchased at full price. And finally, apps light digit-eyes and read2go our ones which I have not purchased and don't intend to. So my only point in writing this message is to remind everyone, including myself, that no matter what the price of a new app is, we will have to decide for ourselves if it is really worth it to us considering our personal needs and the features contained in the app. Cheers! On Feb 26, 2013, at 11:04 PM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hi List, This does indeed sound very promising and I especially think one of the best news about this is that they use both Navteq and OSM maps as well as POI’s from Navteq, Foursquare and OSM. This should really provide very good and up-to-date map and POI information. Maybe we can all have a few less apps on the phone since this one will most likely make some others redundant. I also would imagine that since Seeing-Eye is involved in funding the project that the price for the app maybe more reasonable than we all may think. Best regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 2:02 PM To: ViPone list Subject: Fwd: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access! I wasn't sure if this had been seen on this list: From: senderogps-bou...@freelists.org [mailto:senderogps-bou...@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Kim Casey Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 4:07 PM To: 'Kim Casey' Subject: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access! Sendero Group has been designing accessible GPS since 1994. Almost 20 years of user feedback and feature requests are behind the design of all Sendero GPS products. The accessible features in Seeing Eye GPS are only the beginning of what is yet to come as users help in evolving this first fully accessible GPS product for the iPhone. To participate in the preview, visit us at CSUN Booth 521 or reply to this email and we will send you a link for a Test Flight as soon as it is available. About Seeing Eye GPS Getting around independently is a function of good mobility tools like a guide dog or cane and good orientation tools like accessible GPS. Two pioneers in their fields, The Seeing Eye and Sendero Group have teamed up to provide a fully accessible turn-by-turn GPS iPhone app with all the normal navigation features plus features unique to blind users. * Instead of multiple layers of menus, the 3 important navigation elements
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Can you send me details off list of how to join that list please? If that is if they discuss that App on a group list. Thank you very much. Kawal. On 27 Feb 2013, at 01:14 PM, Andy Baracco w...@socal.rr.com wrote: On another list, Mike May said that the price would be a little higher than the price for a product like Navigon or Tomtom. When people were asked how much they would pay, most people said that this would be a fair arrangement. There was talk about a monthly subscription, but he said that this is difficult to manage through the app store, so there will be just one price. Andy] From: Raul A. Gallegos Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 10:36 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access! The one thing to keep in mind once the price is announced is how much is this app worth to some of us. Remember that specific installs for the braille note and braille cents products cost more than $600. Also remember that many commercial GPS apps for the iPhone itself can cost anywhere from $25-$55. I have no idea what the price for this app will be, however I do know that once that price is announced if people don't like it there will definitely be a lot of vocalization from peoples opinions. I only say this because any time and accessibility app is announced in that price is more than five dollars, people seem to make a big deal over it. I can look through the archives and discussions of the access notetaker app, blindsquare, Fleksy, Sendero's Look Around app, and the various daisy readers Have mostly initially been met with criticism over the price. Some people will purchase the app despite the cost because they want to support the developer. Others will purchase the app because it is worth it to them. And still others might wait for the app to go on sale before they make a purchase. My purchasing history shows that depending on the app in question I could fall into any of those categories. Fleksy and blindsquare were apps which I purchased only after they went on sale. Yet voice dream reader and looktel recognizer were apps I purchased at full price. And finally, apps light digit-eyes and read2go our ones which I have not purchased and don't intend to. So my only point in writing this message is to remind everyone, including myself, that no matter what the price of a new app is, we will have to decide for ourselves if it is really worth it to us considering our personal needs and the features contained in the app. Cheers! On Feb 26, 2013, at 11:04 PM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hi List, This does indeed sound very promising and I especially think one of the best news about this is that they use both Navteq and OSM maps as well as POI’s from Navteq, Foursquare and OSM. This should really provide very good and up-to-date map and POI information. Maybe we can all have a few less apps on the phone since this one will most likely make some others redundant. I also would imagine that since Seeing-Eye is involved in funding the project that the price for the app maybe more reasonable than we all may think. Best regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 2:02 PM To: ViPone list Subject: Fwd: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access! I wasn't sure if this had been seen on thislist: From: senderogps-bou...@freelists.org [mailto:senderogps-bou...@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Kim Casey Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 4:07 PM To: 'Kim Casey' Subject: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access! Sendero Group has been designing accessible GPS since 1994. Almost 20 years of user feedback and feature requests are behind the design of all Sendero GPS products. The accessible features in Seeing Eye GPS are only the beginning of what is yet to come as users help in evolving this first fully accessible GPS product for the iPhone. To participate in the preview, visit us at CSUN Booth 521 or reply to this email and we will send you a link for a Test Flight as soon as it is available. About Seeing Eye GPS Getting around independently is a function of good mobility tools like a guide dog or cane and good orientation tools like accessible GPS. Two pioneers in their fields, The Seeing Eye and Sendero Group have teamed up to provide a fully accessible turn-by-turn GPS iPhone app with all the normal navigation features plus features unique to blind users. * Instead of multiple layers of menus, the 3 important navigation elements are on the lower portion of every
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That is Pacific time. Richard (Sent from Richard's iPod Touch 5th gen) On Feb 27, 2013, at 12:48 AM, Mária Orovčíková maria.orovcik...@gmail.com wrote: Hi list, talking about presentation they said: February 28, Thursday, 9:30 - 10:30 PM, Testing a Prototype iPhone People Finder App March 1, Friday, 2:00 - 3:00 PM, Showing the Seeing Eye GPS iPhone App Sorry for this question, but which time zone are they referring to? I would like to listen to the presentation, but since I'm from Slovakia (Central Europe) the time zones in the U.S. make me confused. Just to avoid list traffic, feel free to e-mail me at: maria.orovcik...@gmail.com Thank youvery much for your help. Maria On 27.2.2013 3:49, Richard Turner wrote: The only information I am aware of is what was in the announcement. I hope to be able to listen to the presentation on Friday in hopes more will be revealed. Richard (Sent from Richard's iPod Touch 5th gen) On Feb 26, 2013, at 6:11 PM, Mark BurningHawk stone_tr...@sbcglobal.net wrote: And is there a price for the non-preview non-free version? I'm hopefully getting an Iphone some time within the next two weeks. so YAY! Mark BurningHawk Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 Home page: Http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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One other nugget of thought to bear in mind, whatever is charged, Apple will be nabbing 30% of that, so just bear that in mind when the criticisms begin to flow. Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 27 Feb 2013, at 06:49, Charles Dean chuckd...@icloud.com wrote: Years ago I bought the human ware Trekker which cost over twelve hundred dollars. Considering the freedom it gave me, I still think it was worth every penny. Unfortunately, so many apps are so inexpensive that when one appears with a higher prize tag, many of us get a little sticker shock. If this app proves to be as good as I hope, I will buy it no matter what the costs. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze any tie ping or spelin airors. On Feb 26, 2013, at 11:36 PM, Raul A. Gallegos r...@raulgallegos.com wrote: The one thing to keep in mind once the price is announced is how much is this app worth to some of us. Remember that specific installs for the braille note and braille cents products cost more than $600. Also remember that many commercial GPS apps for the iPhone itself can cost anywhere from $25-$55. I have no idea what the price for this app will be, however I do know that once that price is announced if people don't like it there will definitely be a lot of vocalization from peoples opinions. I only say this because any time and accessibility app is announced in that price is more than five dollars, people seem to make a big deal over it. I can look through the archives and discussions of the access notetaker app, blindsquare, Fleksy, Sendero's Look Around app, and the various daisy readers Have mostly initially been met with criticism over the price. Some people will purchase the app despite the cost because they want to support the developer. Others will purchase the app because it is worth it to them. And still others might wait for the app to go on sale before they make a purchase. My purchasing history shows that depending on the app in question I could fall into any of those categories. Fleksy and blindsquare were apps which I purchased only after they went on sale. Yet voice dream reader and looktel recognizer were apps I purchased at full price. And finally, apps light digit-eyes and read2go our ones which I have not purchased and don't intend to. So my only point in writing this message is to remind everyone, including myself, that no matter what the price of a new app is, we will have to decide for ourselves if it is really worth it to us considering our personal needs and the features contained in the app. Cheers! On Feb 26, 2013, at 11:04 PM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hi List, This does indeed sound very promising and I especially think one of the best news about this is that they use both Navteq and OSM maps as well as POI’s from Navteq, Foursquare and OSM. This should really provide very good and up-to-date map and POI information. Maybe we can all have a few less apps on the phone since this one will most likely make some others redundant. I also would imagine that since Seeing-Eye is involved in funding the project that the price for the app maybe more reasonable than we all may think. Best regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 2:02 PM To: ViPone list Subject: Fwd: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access! I wasn't sure if this had been seen on this list: From: senderogps-bou...@freelists.org [mailto:senderogps-bou...@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Kim Casey Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 4:07 PM To: 'Kim Casey' Subject: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access! Sendero Group has been designing accessible GPS since 1994. Almost 20 years of user feedback and feature requests are behind the design of all Sendero GPS products. The accessible features in Seeing Eye GPS are only the beginning of what is yet to come as users help in evolving this first fully accessible GPS product for the iPhone. To participate in the preview, visit us at CSUN Booth 521 or reply to this email and we will send you a link for a Test Flight as soon as it is available. About Seeing Eye GPS Getting around independently is a function of good mobility tools like a guide dog or cane and good orientation tools like accessible GPS. Two pioneers in their fields, The Seeing Eye and Sendero Group have teamed up
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Do we know if this particular app will draw it's map data from stored maps on the phone or will you require a data plan to access map information? Thank you. Bob Fenton Sent from my iPhone On 2013-02-26, at 11:49 PM, Richard Turner richard.turne...@gmail.com wrote: That is Pacific time. CSUN is in San Diego, California. Later, Richard (Sent from Richard's iPod Touch 5th gen) On Feb 26, 2013, at 9:23 PM, Chuck Dean chuckd...@me.com wrote: Hi Richard, The on line conference, Showing the Seeing Eye GPS iPhone App. on , Friday,, March 1: 2:00 - 3:00 PM, It doesn't say what time zone? On Feb 26, 3:01 pm, Richard Turner richard.turne...@gmail.com wrote: I wasn't sure if this had been seen on this list: From: senderogps-bou...@freelists.org [mailto:senderogps-bou...@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Kim Casey Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 4:07 PM To: 'Kim Casey' Subject: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access! Sendero Group has been designing accessible GPS since 1994. Almost 20 years of user feedback and feature requests are behind the design of all Sendero GPS products. The accessible features in Seeing Eye GPS are only the beginning of what is yet to come as users help in evolving this first fully accessible GPS product for the iPhone. To participate in the preview, visit us at CSUN Booth 521 or reply to this email and we will send you a link for a Test Flight as soon as it is available. About Seeing Eye GPS Getting around independently is a function of good mobility tools like a guide dog or cane and good orientation tools like accessible GPS. Two pioneers in their fields, The Seeing Eye and Sendero Group have teamed up to provide a fully accessible turn-by-turn GPS iPhone app with all the normal navigation features plus features unique to blind users. * Instead of multiple layers of menus, the 3 important navigation elements are on the lower portion of every screen, Route, POIs and Location. * At intersections, the street name and your direction of travel are announced. * Intersections are described like 4-way with the clock face orientation of the streets. * There are 3 choices for POI data and 2 map sources. * Directions are configured appropriately for Pedestrian and vehicle routes including heads up when approaching a turn, the turn now indication, continue straight and where the subsequent turn is located. * When the user wanders off the route, it is automatically recalculated and updated turn information is announced. * Point your phone in a given direction to hear what is nearby with the LookAround Wand. * Nearby Points of interest and intersections are automatically announced. For more information go tohttp://www.senderogroup.com/products/shopseeingeyegps.htm New 2013 Sendero products Announcing Sendero PC GPS 2013, adds GPS functionality to Sendero PC Maps and works on Windows laptops, Tablets, and ultrabooks. New 2013 maps and POIs for Sendero GPS, Sense Navigation, and Mobile Geo plus much faster POI searches Not going to CSUN – No problem! Thanks to the folks at Accessible World Tek Talk, you can join in the fun and listen into the following presentations. February 28, Thursday, 9:30 - 10:30 PM, Testing a Prototype iPhone People Finder App March 1, Friday, 2:00 - 3:00 PM, Showing the Seeing Eye GPS iPhone App Just go to:http://conference321.com/masteradmin/room.asp?id=rsc9613dc89eb2at the scheduled session time. If you are a first-time user of the Talking Communities online conferencing software, there is a small, safe software program that you need to download and then run. Visithttp://accessibleworld.org/audio-tc-faq-pagefor information on how to get your computer set up for the session. For more information on all of these items, go tohttp://www.SenderoGroup.comor call Sendero toll free at 1-888-757-6810 Don't forget to sign up for our SenderoGPS Twitter account to hear play-by-play comments as the new iPhone app is rolled out! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public
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I believe the test flight program is completely full now, so do not worry about it. Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 27 Feb 2013, at 14:29, DJ grou...@gmail.com wrote: I sure would like to know what the e-mail address is to reply to in order to receive the test flight information? Does anyone have such information and is willing to share it? Thank you. DJ -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Dean Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 12:23 AM To: VIPhone Subject: Re: Fwd: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access! Hi Richard, The on line conference, Showing the Seeing Eye GPS iPhone App. on , Friday,, March 1: 2:00 - 3:00 PM, It doesn't say what time zone? On Feb 26, 3:01 pm, Richard Turner richard.turne...@gmail.com wrote: I wasn't sure if this had been seen on this list: From: senderogps-bou...@freelists.org [mailto:senderogps-bou...@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Kim Casey Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 4:07 PM To: 'Kim Casey' Subject: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access! Sendero Group has been designing accessible GPS since 1994. Almost 20 years of user feedback and feature requests are behind the design of all Sendero GPS products. The accessible features in Seeing Eye GPS are only the beginning of what is yet to come as users help in evolving this first fully accessible GPS product for the iPhone. To participate in the preview, visit us at CSUN Booth 521 or reply to this email and we will send you a link for a Test Flight as soon as it is available. About Seeing Eye GPS Getting around independently is a function of good mobility tools like a guide dog or cane and good orientation tools like accessible GPS. Two pioneers in their fields, The Seeing Eye and Sendero Group have teamed up to provide a fully accessible turn-by-turn GPS iPhone app with all the normal navigation features plus features unique to blind users. * Instead of multiple layers of menus, the 3 important navigation elements are on the lower portion of every screen, Route, POIs and Location. * At intersections, the street name and your direction of travel are announced. * Intersections are described like 4-way with the clock face orientation of the streets. * There are 3 choices for POI data and 2 map sources. * Directions are configured appropriately for Pedestrian and vehicle routes including heads up when approaching a turn, the turn now indication, continue straight and where the subsequent turn is located. * When the user wanders off the route, it is automatically recalculated and updated turn information is announced. * Point your phone in a given direction to hear what is nearby with the LookAround Wand. * Nearby Points of interest and intersections are automatically announced. For more information go tohttp://www.senderogroup.com/products/shopseeingeyegps.htm New 2013 Sendero products Announcing Sendero PC GPS 2013, adds GPS functionality to Sendero PC Maps and works on Windows laptops, Tablets, and ultrabooks. New 2013 maps and POIs for Sendero GPS, Sense Navigation, and Mobile Geo plus much faster POI searches Not going to CSUN – No problem! Thanks to the folks at Accessible World Tek Talk, you can join in the fun and listen into the following presentations. February 28, Thursday, 9:30 - 10:30 PM, Testing a Prototype iPhone People Finder App March 1, Friday, 2:00 - 3:00 PM, Showing the Seeing Eye GPS iPhone App Just go to:http://conference321.com/masteradmin/room.asp?id=rsc9613dc89eb2at the scheduled session time. If you are a first-time user of the Talking Communities online conferencing software, there is a small, safe software program that you need to download and then run. Visithttp://accessibleworld.org/audio-tc-faq-pagefor information on how to get your computer set up for the session. For more information on all of these items, go tohttp://www.SenderoGroup.comor call Sendero toll free at 1-888-757-6810 Don't forget to sign up for our SenderoGPS Twitter account to hear play-by-play comments as the new iPhone app is rolled out! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
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It's also worth bearing in mind that regardless of the price, unless of course it's free, there will be some people who think it's too much. This is understandable since the blind span the economic spectrum. It's also human nature and not specific to the blind. There are also those who will label it as a blind ghetto product and avoid it at all costs with the belief that main stream products should be made more accessible rather than investing in applications specific for the blind. I respect those who share this opinion, but I'm more pragmatic than religious on this point, i.e. I'll use whatever I need to to get the job done. I think my independence and ability to compete with my sighted peers does more to promote the independence of the blind than it does for me to avoid a product developed with the blind in mind. Again, this is just my opinion, and I definitely respect those with a contrary opinion. Finally, I can only speak for myself, but I'm not really too interested in what others think about whether a price is fair or not. As Raul says, this is a decision I'm going to make myself anyway. On 27/02/13 08:11, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote: One other nugget of thought to bear in mind, whatever is charged, Apple will be nabbing 30% of that, so just bear that in mind when the criticisms begin to flow. Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com http://www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com http://www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com mailto:serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 27 Feb 2013, at 06:49, Charles Dean chuckd...@icloud.com mailto:chuckd...@icloud.com wrote: Years ago I bought the human ware Trekker which cost over twelve hundred dollars. Considering the freedom it gave me, I still think it was worth every penny. Unfortunately, so many apps are so inexpensive that when one appears with a higher prize tag, many of us get a little sticker shock. If this app proves to be as good as I hope, I will buy it no matter what the costs. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze any tie ping or spelin airors. On Feb 26, 2013, at 11:36 PM, Raul A. Gallegos r...@raulgallegos.com mailto:r...@raulgallegos.com wrote: The one thing to keep in mind once the price is announced is how much is this app worth to some of us. Remember that specific installs for the braille note and braille cents products cost more than $600. Also remember that many commercial GPS apps for the iPhone itself can cost anywhere from $25-$55. I have no idea what the price for this app will be, however I do know that once that price is announced if people don't like it there will definitely be a lot of vocalization from peoples opinions. I only say this because any time and accessibility app is announced in that price is more than five dollars, people seem to make a big deal over it. I can look through the archives and discussions of the access notetaker app, blindsquare, Fleksy, Sendero's Look Around app, and the various daisy readers Have mostly initially been met with criticism over the price. Some people will purchase the app despite the cost because they want to support the developer. Others will purchase the app because it is worth it to them. And still others might wait for the app to go on sale before they make a purchase. My purchasing history shows that depending on the app in question I could fall into any of those categories. Fleksy and blindsquare were apps which I purchased only after they went on sale. Yet voice dream reader and looktel recognizer were apps I purchased at full price. And finally, apps light digit-eyes and read2go our ones which I have not purchased and don't intend to. So my only point in writing this message is to remind everyone, including myself, that no matter what the price of a new app is, we will have to decide for ourselves if it is really worth it to us considering our personal needs and the features contained in the app. Cheers! On Feb 26, 2013, at 11:04 PM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca mailto:siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hi List, This does indeed sound very promising and I especially think one of the best news about this is that they use both Navteq and OSM maps as well as POI’s from Navteq, Foursquare and OSM. This should really provide very good and up-to-date map and POI information. Maybe we can all have a few less apps on the phone since this one will most likely make some others redundant. I also would imagine that since Seeing-Eye is involved in funding the project that the price for the app maybe more reasonable than we all may think. Best regards, Sieghard *From:*viphone@googlegroups.com
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What I am really looking for in a GPS product is something that is waterproof. It doesn't matter how many great features it has if it can't handle the being in the cold or rainy conditions. Marco Sent from my iPad On 2013-02-26, at 23:36, Raul A. Gallegos r...@raulgallegos.com wrote: The one thing to keep in mind once the price is announced is how much is this app worth to some of us. Remember that specific installs for the braille note and braille cents products cost more than $600. Also remember that many commercial GPS apps for the iPhone itself can cost anywhere from $25-$55. I have no idea what the price for this app will be, however I do know that once that price is announced if people don't like it there will definitely be a lot of vocalization from peoples opinions. I only say this because any time and accessibility app is announced in that price is more than five dollars, people seem to make a big deal over it. I can look through the archives and discussions of the access notetaker app, blindsquare, Fleksy, Sendero's Look Around app, and the various daisy readers Have mostly initially been met with criticism over the price. Some people will purchase the app despite the cost because they want to support the developer. Others will purchase the app because it is worth it to them. And still others might wait for the app to go on sale before they make a purchase. My purchasing history shows that depending on the app in question I could fall into any of those categories. Fleksy and blindsquare were apps which I purchased only after they went on sale. Yet voice dream reader and looktel recognizer were apps I purchased at full price. And finally, apps light digit-eyes and read2go our ones which I have not purchased and don't intend to. So my only point in writing this message is to remind everyone, including myself, that no matter what the price of a new app is, we will have to decide for ourselves if it is really worth it to us considering our personal needs and the features contained in the app. Cheers! On Feb 26, 2013, at 11:04 PM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hi List, This does indeed sound very promising and I especially think one of the best news about this is that they use both Navteq and OSM maps as well as POI’s from Navteq, Foursquare and OSM. This should really provide very good and up-to-date map and POI information. Maybe we can all have a few less apps on the phone since this one will most likely make some others redundant. I also would imagine that since Seeing-Eye is involved in funding the project that the price for the app maybe more reasonable than we all may think. Best regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 2:02 PM To: ViPone list Subject: Fwd: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access! I wasn't sure if this had been seen on this list: From: senderogps-bou...@freelists.org [mailto:senderogps-bou...@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Kim Casey Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 4:07 PM To: 'Kim Casey' Subject: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access! Sendero Group has been designing accessible GPS since 1994. Almost 20 years of user feedback and feature requests are behind the design of all Sendero GPS products. The accessible features in Seeing Eye GPS are only the beginning of what is yet to come as users help in evolving this first fully accessible GPS product for the iPhone. To participate in the preview, visit us at CSUN Booth 521 or reply to this email and we will send you a link for a Test Flight as soon as it is available. About Seeing Eye GPS Getting around independently is a function of good mobility tools like a guide dog or cane and good orientation tools like accessible GPS. Two pioneers in their fields, The Seeing Eye and Sendero Group have teamed up to provide a fully accessible turn-by-turn GPS iPhone app with all the normal navigation features plus features unique to blind users. * Instead of multiple layers of menus, the 3 important navigation elements are on the lower portion of every screen, Route, POIs and Location. * At intersections, the street name and your direction of travel are announced. * Intersections are described like 4-way with the clock face orientation of the streets. * There are 3 choices for POI data and 2 map sources. * Directions are configured appropriately for Pedestrian and vehicle routes including heads up when approaching a turn, the turn now indication, continue straight and where the subsequent turn is located. * When the user wanders off the route, it is automatically recalculated and updated turn information is
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Hello. The reason I asked about price earlier was simply to know how much I would be paying to obtain the product. There is little question that I will be purchasing it. The only factors that might convince me otherwise is if Canadian maps are not available or if maps are only available via data plan. The latter factor would substantially increase my bottom line cost for using the app since at the time of purchasing my cell phone contract, no unlimited data plans were available in the jurisdiction where I live. So, my initial question about price was a relatively simple one. I had no idea the discussion would take the philosophical turns it has. Sorry if that has bothered anybody. J Bob Fenton Sent from my iPhone On 2013-02-27, at 8:15 AM, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote: It's also worth bearing in mind that regardless of the price, unless of course it's free, there will be some people who think it's too much. This is understandable since the blind span the economic spectrum. It's also human nature and not specific to the blind. There are also those who will label it as a blind ghetto product and avoid it at all costs with the belief that main stream products should be made more accessible rather than investing in applications specific for the blind. I respect those who share this opinion, but I'm more pragmatic than religious on this point, i.e. I'll use whatever I need to to get the job done. I think my independence and ability to compete with my sighted peers does more to promote the independence of the blind than it does for me to avoid a product developed with the blind in mind. Again, this is just my opinion, and I definitely respect those with a contrary opinion. Finally, I can only speak for myself, but I'm not really too interested in what others think about whether a price is fair or not. As Raul says, this is a decision I'm going to make myself anyway. On 27/02/13 08:11, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote: One other nugget of thought to bear in mind, whatever is charged, Apple will be nabbing 30% of that, so just bear that in mind when the criticisms begin to flow. Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com http://www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com http://www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com mailto:serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 27 Feb 2013, at 06:49, Charles Dean chuckd...@icloud.com mailto:chuckd...@icloud.com wrote: Years ago I bought the human ware Trekker which cost over twelve hundred dollars. Considering the freedom it gave me, I still think it was worth every penny. Unfortunately, so many apps are so inexpensive that when one appears with a higher prize tag, many of us get a little sticker shock. If this app proves to be as good as I hope, I will buy it no matter what the costs. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze any tie ping or spelin airors. On Feb 26, 2013, at 11:36 PM, Raul A. Gallegos r...@raulgallegos.com mailto:r...@raulgallegos.com wrote: The one thing to keep in mind once the price is announced is how much is this app worth to some of us. Remember that specific installs for the braille note and braille cents products cost more than $600. Also remember that many commercial GPS apps for the iPhone itself can cost anywhere from $25-$55. I have no idea what the price for this app will be, however I do know that once that price is announced if people don't like it there will definitely be a lot of vocalization from peoples opinions. I only say this because any time and accessibility app is announced in that price is more than five dollars, people seem to make a big deal over it. I can look through the archives and discussions of the access notetaker app, blindsquare, Fleksy, Sendero's Look Around app, and the various daisy readers Have mostly initially been met with criticism over the price. Some people will purchase the app despite the cost because they want to support the developer. Others will purchase the app because it is worth it to them. And still others might wait for the app to go on sale before they make a purchase. My purchasing history shows that depending on the app in question I could fall into any of those categories. Fleksy and blindsquare were apps which I purchased only after they went on sale. Yet voice dream reader and looktel recognizer were apps I purchased at full price. And finally, apps light digit-eyes and read2go our ones which I have not purchased and don't intend to. So my only point in writing this message is to remind everyone, including myself, that no matter what the price of a new app is, we will have to decide for ourselves if it is really worth it to us
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There are several waterproof cases for the iPhone. I have an inexpensive case I use when I take it kayaking. On 27/02/13 09:29, Rocket wrote: What I am really looking for in a GPS product is something that is waterproof. It doesn't matter how many great features it has if it can't handle the being in the cold or rainy conditions. Marco Sent from my iPad On 2013-02-26, at 23:36, Raul A. Gallegos r...@raulgallegos.com mailto:r...@raulgallegos.com wrote: The one thing to keep in mind once the price is announced is how much is this app worth to some of us. Remember that specific installs for the braille note and braille cents products cost more than $600. Also remember that many commercial GPS apps for the iPhone itself can cost anywhere from $25-$55. I have no idea what the price for this app will be, however I do know that once that price is announced if people don't like it there will definitely be a lot of vocalization from peoples opinions. I only say this because any time and accessibility app is announced in that price is more than five dollars, people seem to make a big deal over it. I can look through the archives and discussions of the access notetaker app, blindsquare, Fleksy, Sendero's Look Around app, and the various daisy readers Have mostly initially been met with criticism over the price. Some people will purchase the app despite the cost because they want to support the developer. Others will purchase the app because it is worth it to them. And still others might wait for the app to go on sale before they make a purchase. My purchasing history shows that depending on the app in question I could fall into any of those categories. Fleksy and blindsquare were apps which I purchased only after they went on sale. Yet voice dream reader and looktel recognizer were apps I purchased at full price. And finally, apps light digit-eyes and read2go our ones which I have not purchased and don't intend to. So my only point in writing this message is to remind everyone, including myself, that no matter what the price of a new app is, we will have to decide for ourselves if it is really worth it to us considering our personal needs and the features contained in the app. Cheers! On Feb 26, 2013, at 11:04 PM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca mailto:siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hi List, This does indeed sound very promising and I especially think one of the best news about this is that they use both Navteq and OSM maps as well as POI’s from Navteq, Foursquare and OSM. This should really provide very good and up-to-date map and POI information. Maybe we can all have a few less apps on the phone since this one will most likely make some others redundant. I also would imagine that since Seeing-Eye is involved in funding the project that the price for the app maybe more reasonable than we all may think. Best regards, Sieghard *From:*viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Richard Turner *Sent:* Tuesday, February 26, 2013 2:02 PM *To:* ViPone list *Subject:* Fwd: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access! I wasn't sure if this had been seen on this list: *From:*senderogps-bou...@freelists.org mailto:senderogps-bou...@freelists.org [mailto:senderogps-bou...@freelists.org] *On Behalf Of *Kim Casey *Sent:* Monday, February 25, 2013 4:07 PM *To:* 'Kim Casey' *Subject:* Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access! Sendero Group has been designing accessible GPS since 1994. Almost 20 years of user feedback and feature requests are behind the design of all Sendero GPS products. The accessible features in Seeing Eye GPS are only the beginning of what is yet to come as users help in evolving this first fully accessible GPS product for the iPhone. To participate in the preview, visit us at CSUN Booth 521 or reply to this email and we will send you a link for a Test Flight as soon as it is available. About Seeing Eye GPS Getting around independently is a function of good mobility tools like a guide dog or cane and good orientation tools like accessible GPS. Two pioneers in their fields, The Seeing Eye and Sendero Group have teamed up to provide a fully accessible turn-by-turn GPS iPhone app with all the normal navigation features plus features unique to blind users. * Instead of multiple layers of menus, the 3 important navigation elements are on the lower portion of every screen, Route, POIs and Location. * At intersections, the street name and your direction of travel are announced. * Intersections are described like 4-way with the clock face orientation
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eAs stated before, they needed one hundred testers and over three hundred people responded in the first twenty four hours. They do not need any more testers. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze any tie ping or spelin airors. On Feb 27, 2013, at 7:29 AM, DJ grou...@gmail.com wrote: I sure would like to know what the e-mail address is to reply to in order to receive the test flight information? Does anyone have such information and is willing to share it? Thank you. DJ -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Dean Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 12:23 AM To: VIPhone Subject: Re: Fwd: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access! Hi Richard, The on line conference, Showing the Seeing Eye GPS iPhone App. on , Friday,, March 1: 2:00 - 3:00 PM, It doesn't say what time zone? On Feb 26, 3:01 pm, Richard Turner richard.turne...@gmail.com wrote: I wasn't sure if this had been seen on this list: From: senderogps-bou...@freelists.org [mailto:senderogps-bou...@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Kim Casey Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 4:07 PM To: 'Kim Casey' Subject: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access! Sendero Group has been designing accessible GPS since 1994. Almost 20 years of user feedback and feature requests are behind the design of all Sendero GPS products. The accessible features in Seeing Eye GPS are only the beginning of what is yet to come as users help in evolving this first fully accessible GPS product for the iPhone. To participate in the preview, visit us at CSUN Booth 521 or reply to this email and we will send you a link for a Test Flight as soon as it is available. About Seeing Eye GPS Getting around independently is a function of good mobility tools like a guide dog or cane and good orientation tools like accessible GPS. Two pioneers in their fields, The Seeing Eye and Sendero Group have teamed up to provide a fully accessible turn-by-turn GPS iPhone app with all the normal navigation features plus features unique to blind users. * Instead of multiple layers of menus, the 3 important navigation elements are on the lower portion of every screen, Route, POIs and Location. * At intersections, the street name and your direction of travel are announced. * Intersections are described like 4-way with the clock face orientation of the streets. * There are 3 choices for POI data and 2 map sources. * Directions are configured appropriately for Pedestrian and vehicle routes including heads up when approaching a turn, the turn now indication, continue straight and where the subsequent turn is located. * When the user wanders off the route, it is automatically recalculated and updated turn information is announced. * Point your phone in a given direction to hear what is nearby with the LookAround Wand. * Nearby Points of interest and intersections are automatically announced. For more information go tohttp://www.senderogroup.com/products/shopseeingeyegps.htm New 2013 Sendero products Announcing Sendero PC GPS 2013, adds GPS functionality to Sendero PC Maps and works on Windows laptops, Tablets, and ultrabooks. New 2013 maps and POIs for Sendero GPS, Sense Navigation, and Mobile Geo plus much faster POI searches Not going to CSUN – No problem! Thanks to the folks at Accessible World Tek Talk, you can join in the fun and listen into the following presentations. February 28, Thursday, 9:30 - 10:30 PM, Testing a Prototype iPhone People Finder App March 1, Friday, 2:00 - 3:00 PM, Showing the Seeing Eye GPS iPhone App Just go to:http://conference321.com/masteradmin/room.asp?id=rsc9613dc89eb2at the scheduled session time. If you are a first-time user of the Talking Communities online conferencing software, there is a small, safe software program that you need to download and then run. Visithttp://accessibleworld.org/audio-tc-faq-pagefor information on how to get your computer set up for the session. For more information on all of these items, go tohttp://www.SenderoGroup.comor call Sendero toll free at 1-888-757-6810 Don't forget to sign up for our SenderoGPS Twitter account to hear play-by-play comments as the new iPhone app is rolled out! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from
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Hi Andy. In that case we can expect a price of more than $50. Personally if it would meet my needs and allow me to travel using a single app and it's completely VoiceOver friendly then I would easily pay $70 or $80 for it. On Feb 27, 2013, at 7:14 AM, Andy Baracco w...@socal.rr.com wrote: On another list, Mike May said that the price would be a little higher than the price for a product like Navigon or Tomtom. When people were asked how much they would pay, most people said that this would be a fair arrangement. There was talk about a monthly subscription, but he said that this is difficult to manage through the app store, so there will be just one price. Andy] From: Raul A. Gallegos Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 10:36 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access! The one thing to keep in mind once the price is announced is how much is this app worth to some of us. Remember that specific installs for the braille note and braille cents products cost more than $600. Also remember that many commercial GPS apps for the iPhone itself can cost anywhere from $25-$55. I have no idea what the price for this app will be, however I do know that once that price is announced if people don't like it there will definitely be a lot of vocalization from peoples opinions. I only say this because any time and accessibility app is announced in that price is more than five dollars, people seem to make a big deal over it. I can look through the archives and discussions of the access notetaker app, blindsquare, Fleksy, Sendero's Look Around app, and the various daisy readers Have mostly initially been met with criticism over the price. Some people will purchase the app despite the cost because they want to support the developer. Others will purchase the app because it is worth it to them. And still others might wait for the app to go on sale before they make a purchase. My purchasing history shows that depending on the app in question I could fall into any of those categories. Fleksy and blindsquare were apps which I purchased only after they went on sale. Yet voice dream reader and looktel recognizer were apps I purchased at full price. And finally, apps light digit-eyes and read2go our ones which I have not purchased and don't intend to. So my only point in writing this message is to remind everyone, including myself, that no matter what the price of a new app is, we will have to decide for ourselves if it is really worth it to us considering our personal needs and the features contained in the app. Cheers! On Feb 26, 2013, at 11:04 PM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hi List, This does indeed sound very promising and I especially think one of the best news about this is that they use both Navteq and OSM maps as well as POI’s from Navteq, Foursquare and OSM. This should really provide very good and up-to-date map and POI information. Maybe we can all have a few less apps on the phone since this one will most likely make some others redundant. I also would imagine that since Seeing-Eye is involved in funding the project that the price for the app maybe more reasonable than we all may think. Best regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 2:02 PM To: ViPone list Subject: Fwd: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access! I wasn't sure if this had been seen on thislist: From: senderogps-bou...@freelists.org [mailto:senderogps-bou...@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Kim Casey Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 4:07 PM To: 'Kim Casey' Subject: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access! Sendero Group has been designing accessible GPS since 1994. Almost 20 years of user feedback and feature requests are behind the design of all Sendero GPS products. The accessible features in Seeing Eye GPS are only the beginning of what is yet to come as users help in evolving this first fully accessible GPS product for the iPhone. To participate in the preview, visit us at CSUN Booth 521 or reply to this email and we will send you a link for a Test Flight as soon as it is available. About Seeing Eye GPS Getting around independently is a function of good mobility tools like a guide dog or cane and good orientation tools like accessible GPS. Two pioneers in their fields, The Seeing Eye and Sendero Group have teamed up to provide a fully accessible turn-by-turn GPS iPhone app with all the normal navigation features plus features unique to blind users. * Instead of multiple layers of menus
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I think we should stop guessing the price of this yet to come app. I am sure there will be plenty of discussion about the price once the app is released. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze any tie ping or spelin airors. On Feb 27, 2013, at 10:09 AM, Raul A. Gallegos r...@raulgallegos.com wrote: Hi Andy. In that case we can expect a price of more than $50. Personally if it would meet my needs and allow me to travel using a single app and it's completely VoiceOver friendly then I would easily pay $70 or $80 for it. On Feb 27, 2013, at 7:14 AM, Andy Baracco w...@socal.rr.com wrote: On another list, Mike May said that the price would be a little higher than the price for a product like Navigon or Tomtom. When people were asked how much they would pay, most people said that this would be a fair arrangement. There was talk about a monthly subscription, but he said that this is difficult to manage through the app store, so there will be just one price. Andy] From: Raul A. Gallegos Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 10:36 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access! The one thing to keep in mind once the price is announced is how much is this app worth to some of us. Remember that specific installs for the braille note and braille cents products cost more than $600. Also remember that many commercial GPS apps for the iPhone itself can cost anywhere from $25-$55. I have no idea what the price for this app will be, however I do know that once that price is announced if people don't like it there will definitely be a lot of vocalization from peoples opinions. I only say this because any time and accessibility app is announced in that price is more than five dollars, people seem to make a big deal over it. I can look through the archives and discussions of the access notetaker app, blindsquare, Fleksy, Sendero's Look Around app, and the various daisy readers Have mostly initially been met with criticism over the price. Some people will purchase the app despite the cost because they want to support the developer. Others will purchase the app because it is worth it to them. And still others might wait for the app to go on sale before they make a purchase. My purchasing history shows that depending on the app in question I could fall into any of those categories. Fleksy and blindsquare were apps which I purchased only after they went on sale. Yet voice dream reader and looktel recognizer were apps I purchased at full price. And finally, apps light digit-eyes and read2go our ones which I have not purchased and don't intend to. So my only point in writing this message is to remind everyone, including myself, that no matter what the price of a new app is, we will have to decide for ourselves if it is really worth it to us considering our personal needs and the features contained in the app. Cheers! On Feb 26, 2013, at 11:04 PM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hi List, This does indeed sound very promising and I especially think one of the best news about this is that they use both Navteq and OSM maps as well as POI’s from Navteq, Foursquare and OSM. This should really provide very good and up-to-date map and POI information. Maybe we can all have a few less apps on the phone since this one will most likely make some others redundant. I also would imagine that since Seeing-Eye is involved in funding the project that the price for the app maybe more reasonable than we all may think. Best regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 2:02 PM To: ViPone list Subject: Fwd: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUNaccess! I wasn't sure if this had been seen on this list: From: senderogps-bou...@freelists.org [mailto:senderogps-bou...@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Kim Casey Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 4:07 PM To: 'Kim Casey' Subject: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access! Sendero Group has been designing accessible GPS since 1994. Almost 20 years of user feedback and feature requests are behind the design of all Sendero GPS products. The accessible features in Seeing Eye GPS are only the beginning of what is yet to come as users help in evolving this first fully accessible GPS product for the iPhone. To participate in the preview, visit us at CSUN Booth 521 or reply to this email and we will send you a link for a Test Flight as soon as it is available. About Seeing Eye GPS Getting around independently is a function of good mobility tools like a guide dog or cane and good orientation tools
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I hope to get an Iphone with Sprint as my carrier, and hope to have it some time in the next two weeks. After that, you can bet Im going to test every GPS app around, including this one. Maybe what we should be asking ourselves here is not whether this is a ghetto product, for the blind, but whether there's universal access built into it, so that sighted people would use it and find it valuable as well? Then, the question becomes not how much can a blind person afford, but rather, What is the fair market value for this app, based on a general market? It seems to me that, even as we demand shrilly that Apple and other companies build in universal access to their products, so should Sendero or whatever other ghetto of the blind, products come out build in universal access. Let's depolarize this argument. Mark BurningHawk Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 Home page: Http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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I wonder what the people finder app is like and how it works. Also was just wondering if anybody on list has received an email to say they were selected as a tester. Take care, Louise. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: 26 February 2013 10:02 PM To: ViPone list Subject: Fwd: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access! I wasn't sure if this had been seen on this list: From: senderogps-bou...@freelists.org [mailto:senderogps-bou...@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Kim Casey Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 4:07 PM To: 'Kim Casey' Subject: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access! Sendero Group has been designing accessible GPS since 1994. Almost 20 years of user feedback and feature requests are behind the design of all Sendero GPS products. The accessible features in Seeing Eye GPS are only the beginning of what is yet to come as users help in evolving this first fully accessible GPS product for the iPhone. To participate in the preview, visit us at CSUN Booth 521 or reply to this email and we will send you a link for a Test Flight as soon as it is available. About Seeing Eye GPS Getting around independently is a function of good mobility tools like a guide dog or cane and good orientation tools like accessible GPS. Two pioneers in their fields, The Seeing Eye and Sendero Group have teamed up to provide a fully accessible turn-by-turn GPS iPhone app with all the normal navigation features plus features unique to blind users. * Instead of multiple layers of menus, the 3 important navigation elements are on the lower portion of every screen, Route, POIs and Location. * At intersections, the street name and your direction of travel are announced. * Intersections are described like 4-way with the clock face orientation of the streets. * There are 3 choices for POI data and 2 map sources. * Directions are configured appropriately for Pedestrian and vehicle routes including heads up when approaching a turn, the turn now indication, continue straight and where the subsequent turn is located. * When the user wanders off the route, it is automatically recalculated and updated turn information is announced. * Point your phone in a given direction to hear what is nearby with the LookAround Wand. * Nearby Points of interest and intersections are automatically announced. For more information go to http://www.senderogroup.com/products/shopseeingeyegps.htm http://www.senderogroup.com/products/shopseeingeyegps.htm New 2013 Sendero products Announcing Sendero PC GPS 2013, adds GPS functionality to Sendero PC Maps and works on Windows laptops, Tablets, and ultrabooks. New 2013 maps and POIs for Sendero GPS, Sense Navigation, and Mobile Geo plus much faster POI searches Not going to CSUN - No problem! Thanks to the folks at Accessible World Tek Talk, you can join in the fun and listen into the following presentations. February 28, Thursday, 9:30 - 10:30 PM, Testing a Prototype iPhone People Finder App March 1, Friday, 2:00 - 3:00 PM, Showing the Seeing Eye GPS iPhone App Just go to: http://conference321.com/masteradmin/room.asp?id=rsc9613dc89eb2 at the scheduled session time. If you are a first-time user of the Talking Communities online conferencing software, there is a small, safe software program that you need to download and then run. Visit http://accessibleworld.org/audio-tc-faq-page for information on how to get your computer set up for the session. For more information on all of these items, go to http://www.SenderoGroup.com http://www.SenderoGroup.com or call Sendero toll free at 1-888-757-6810 Don't forget to sign up for our SenderoGPS Twitter account to hear play-by-play comments as the new iPhone app is rolled out! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group
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The only disappointing thing is that for the first realise it is north America only. Still fingers crossed it will be updated for the rest of the world soon! Louise. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: 27 February 2013 6:05 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access! Hi List, This does indeed sound very promising and I especially think one of the best news about this is that they use both Navteq and OSM maps as well as POI's from Navteq, Foursquare and OSM. This should really provide very good and up-to-date map and POI information. Maybe we can all have a few less apps on the phone since this one will most likely make some others redundant. I also would imagine that since Seeing-Eye is involved in funding the project that the price for the app maybe more reasonable than we all may think. Best regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 2:02 PM To: ViPone list Subject: Fwd: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access! I wasn't sure if this had been seen on this list: From: senderogps-bou...@freelists.org [mailto:senderogps-bou...@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Kim Casey Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 4:07 PM To: 'Kim Casey' Subject: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access! Sendero Group has been designing accessible GPS since 1994. Almost 20 years of user feedback and feature requests are behind the design of all Sendero GPS products. The accessible features in Seeing Eye GPS are only the beginning of what is yet to come as users help in evolving this first fully accessible GPS product for the iPhone. To participate in the preview, visit us at CSUN Booth 521 or reply to this email and we will send you a link for a Test Flight as soon as it is available. About Seeing Eye GPS Getting around independently is a function of good mobility tools like a guide dog or cane and good orientation tools like accessible GPS. Two pioneers in their fields, The Seeing Eye and Sendero Group have teamed up to provide a fully accessible turn-by-turn GPS iPhone app with all the normal navigation features plus features unique to blind users. * Instead of multiple layers of menus, the 3 important navigation elements are on the lower portion of every screen, Route, POIs and Location. * At intersections, the street name and your direction of travel are announced. * Intersections are described like 4-way with the clock face orientation of the streets. * There are 3 choices for POI data and 2 map sources. * Directions are configured appropriately for Pedestrian and vehicle routes including heads up when approaching a turn, the turn now indication, continue straight and where the subsequent turn is located. * When the user wanders off the route, it is automatically recalculated and updated turn information is announced. * Point your phone in a given direction to hear what is nearby with the LookAround Wand. * Nearby Points of interest and intersections are automatically announced. For more information go to http://www.senderogroup.com/products/shopseeingeyegps.htm http://www.senderogroup.com/products/shopseeingeyegps.htm New 2013 Sendero products Announcing Sendero PC GPS 2013, adds GPS functionality to Sendero PC Maps and works on Windows laptops, Tablets, and ultrabooks. New 2013 maps and POIs for Sendero GPS, Sense Navigation, and Mobile Geo plus much faster POI searches Not going to CSUN - No problem! Thanks to the folks at Accessible World Tek Talk, you can join in the fun and listen into the following presentations. February 28, Thursday, 9:30 - 10:30 PM, Testing a Prototype iPhone People Finder App March 1, Friday, 2:00 - 3:00 PM, Showing the Seeing Eye GPS iPhone App Just go to: http://conference321.com/masteradmin/room.asp?id=rsc9613dc89eb2 at the scheduled session time. If you are a first-time user of the Talking Communities online conferencing software, there is a small, safe software program that you need to download and then run. Visit http://accessibleworld.org/audio-tc-faq-page for information on how to get your computer set up for the session. For more information on all of these items, go to http://www.SenderoGroup.com http://www.SenderoGroup.com or call Sendero toll free at 1-888-757-6810 Don't forget to sign up for our SenderoGPS Twitter account to hear play-by-play comments as the new iPhone app is rolled out! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email
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That could get very expensive. I suggest instead, that you check out apple vix , Which is a great resource for people have already tested apps and giving their opinions. Here's a link: http://www.applevis.com/ Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze any tie ping or spelin airors. On Feb 27, 2013, at 10:18 AM, Mark BurningHawk stone_tr...@sbcglobal.net wrote: I hope to get an Iphone with Sprint as my carrier, and hope to have it some time in the next two weeks. After that, you can bet Im going to test every GPS app around, including this one. Maybe what we should be asking ourselves here is not whether this is a ghetto product, for the blind, but whether there's universal access built into it, so that sighted people would use it and find it valuable as well? Then, the question becomes not how much can a blind person afford, but rather, What is the fair market value for this app, based on a general market? It seems to me that, even as we demand shrilly that Apple and other companies build in universal access to their products, so should Sendero or whatever other ghetto of the blind, products come out build in universal access. Let's depolarize this argument. Mark BurningHawk Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 Home page: Http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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Hello Mark, I don't think there is much point in making a big deal out of the fact that the Seeing Eye app is designed with the blind user in mind and has features which may not be of much value to a sighted person. If a sighted person comes up to an intersection they do not need their GPS app to tell them that the intersection is a 3-way or 4-way intersection or other information which a sighted person can confirm with one glance. Sendero states the following: The Seeing Eye and Sendero Group have teamed up to provide a fully accessible turn-by-turn GPS iPhone app with all the normal navigation features plus features unique to blind users. I think the important parts here are accessible, normal navigation features and features unique to blind users. There is no doubt that a blind user requires more spoken information from a GPS solution which is exactly the reason why so many of us are not using apps like Navigon exclusively. Navigon displays a map and gives some voice feedback. It's perfectly adequate for a sighted person, but most blind users supplement an app like Navigon with other apps like Ariadne or Sendero LookAround to get additional information. From the description of the new app I have a feeling that apps like Sendero LookAround or Ariadne will no longer be required or maybe rarely required because the Seeing Eye app will combine the normal navigation features one would expect from an app like Navigon with the unique features a blind person needs and which so far have not been very available because even using Ariadne together with Navigon was not as good a solution as, for example, the Trekker or MobileGeo was. I am quite optimistic that an app like Seeing Eye combined with the accessibility and what's more important the stability of the iOS platform will indeed be the answer/solution we all have been waiting for. Let's just all wait what the price will be, but I doubt it will be so low that sighted people in great numbers would buy it instead f less expensive apps like Navigon or even free ones like Google Maps or the native Maps app which for many people are perfectly sufficient. Regards, Sieghard -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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Hi Bob, Sendero LookAround uses data to look up map information and somehow I doubt they would put the maps on the phone, but I guess we'll see. Keep in mind that your GPS application accessing map data will not use up huge amounts of data. I am also in Canada and while I am now on a 2 Gig plan I used to be on a flex plan and I have a hard time using even 1 Gig of data a month, of course I am not streaming music all day long through my phone, but I am also not particularly careful, I download apps via 3G, make VoIP calls via 3G and even download or stream the occasional podcast. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert Fenton Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 7:36 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access! Hello. The reason I asked about price earlier was simply to know how much I would be paying to obtain the product. There is little question that I will be purchasing it. The only factors that might convince me otherwise is if Canadian maps are not available or if maps are only available via data plan. The latter factor would substantially increase my bottom line cost for using the app since at the time of purchasing my cell phone contract, no unlimited data plans were available in the jurisdiction where I live. So, my initial question about price was a relatively simple one. I had no idea the discussion would take the philosophical turns it has. Sorry if that has bothered anybody. J Bob Fenton Sent from my iPhone On 2013-02-27, at 8:15 AM, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote: It's also worth bearing in mind that regardless of the price, unless of course it's free, there will be some people who think it's too much. This is understandable since the blind span the economic spectrum. It's also human nature and not specific to the blind. There are also those who will label it as a blind ghetto product and avoid it at all costs with the belief that main stream products should be made more accessible rather than investing in applications specific for the blind. I respect those who share this opinion, but I'm more pragmatic than religious on this point, i.e. I'll use whatever I need to to get the job done. I think my independence and ability to compete with my sighted peers does more to promote the independence of the blind than it does for me to avoid a product developed with the blind in mind. Again, this is just my opinion, and I definitely respect those with a contrary opinion. Finally, I can only speak for myself, but I'm not really too interested in what others think about whether a price is fair or not. As Raul says, this is a decision I'm going to make myself anyway. On 27/02/13 08:11, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote: One other nugget of thought to bear in mind, whatever is charged, Apple will be nabbing 30% of that, so just bear that in mind when the criticisms begin to flow. Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com http://www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com http://www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com mailto:serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 27 Feb 2013, at 06:49, Charles Dean chuckd...@icloud.com mailto:chuckd...@icloud.com wrote: Years ago I bought the human ware Trekker which cost over twelve hundred dollars. Considering the freedom it gave me, I still think it was worth every penny. Unfortunately, so many apps are so inexpensive that when one appears with a higher prize tag, many of us get a little sticker shock. If this app proves to be as good as I hope, I will buy it no matter what the costs. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze any tie ping or spelin airors. On Feb 26, 2013, at 11:36 PM, Raul A. Gallegos r...@raulgallegos.com mailto:r...@raulgallegos.com wrote: The one thing to keep in mind once the price is announced is how much is this app worth to some of us. Remember that specific installs for the braille note and braille cents products cost more than $600. Also remember that many commercial GPS apps for the iPhone itself can cost anywhere from $25-$55. I have no idea what the price for this app will be, however I do know that once that price is announced if people don't like it there will definitely be a lot of vocalization from peoples opinions. I only say this because any time and accessibility app is announced in that price is more than five dollars, people seem to make a big deal over it. I can look through the archives and discussions of the access notetaker app, blindsquare, Fleksy, Sendero's
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Hi Marco, Depending on what case you buy, the iPhone can be as waterproof as you want it to be from being somewhat splash proof to being fully capable of going down to 100 feet during scuba diving. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rocket Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 7:29 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access! What I am really looking for in a GPS product is something that is waterproof. It doesn't matter how many great features it has if it can't handle the being in the cold or rainy conditions. Marco Sent from my iPad On 2013-02-26, at 23:36, Raul A. Gallegos r...@raulgallegos.com wrote: The one thing to keep in mind once the price is announced is how much is this app worth to some of us. Remember that specific installs for the braille note and braille cents products cost more than $600. Also remember that many commercial GPS apps for the iPhone itself can cost anywhere from $25-$55. I have no idea what the price for this app will be, however I do know that once that price is announced if people don't like it there will definitely be a lot of vocalization from peoples opinions. I only say this because any time and accessibility app is announced in that price is more than five dollars, people seem to make a big deal over it. I can look through the archives and discussions of the access notetaker app, blindsquare, Fleksy, Sendero's Look Around app, and the various daisy readers Have mostly initially been met with criticism over the price. Some people will purchase the app despite the cost because they want to support the developer. Others will purchase the app because it is worth it to them. And still others might wait for the app to go on sale before they make a purchase. My purchasing history shows that depending on the app in question I could fall into any of those categories. Fleksy and blindsquare were apps which I purchased only after they went on sale. Yet voice dream reader and looktel recognizer were apps I purchased at full price. And finally, apps light digit-eyes and read2go our ones which I have not purchased and don't intend to. So my only point in writing this message is to remind everyone, including myself, that no matter what the price of a new app is, we will have to decide for ourselves if it is really worth it to us considering our personal needs and the features contained in the app. Cheers! On Feb 26, 2013, at 11:04 PM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hi List, This does indeed sound very promising and I especially think one of the best news about this is that they use both Navteq and OSM maps as well as POI's from Navteq, Foursquare and OSM. This should really provide very good and up-to-date map and POI information. Maybe we can all have a few less apps on the phone since this one will most likely make some others redundant. I also would imagine that since Seeing-Eye is involved in funding the project that the price for the app maybe more reasonable than we all may think. Best regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 2:02 PM To: ViPone list Subject: Fwd: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access! I wasn't sure if this had been seen on this list: From: senderogps-bou...@freelists.org [mailto:senderogps-bou...@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Kim Casey Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 4:07 PM To: 'Kim Casey' Subject: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access! Sendero Group has been designing accessible GPS since 1994. Almost 20 years of user feedback and feature requests are behind the design of all Sendero GPS products. The accessible features in Seeing Eye GPS are only the beginning of what is yet to come as users help in evolving this first fully accessible GPS product for the iPhone. To participate in the preview, visit us at CSUN Booth 521 or reply to this email and we will send you a link for a Test Flight as soon as it is available. About Seeing Eye GPS Getting around independently is a function of good mobility tools like a guide dog or cane and good orientation tools like accessible GPS. Two pioneers in their fields, The Seeing Eye and Sendero Group have teamed up to provide a fully accessible turn-by-turn GPS iPhone app with all the normal navigation features plus features unique to blind users. * Instead of multiple layers of menus, the 3 important navigation elements are on the lower portion of every screen, Route, POIs and Location. * At intersections, the street name and your direction of travel are announced. * Intersections are described like 4-way with the clock face orientation
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Hi Krister, Considering how relatively little Navigon has done so far I wouldn't hold my breath. Yes, the app is pretty accessible, but there is a difference between whether I can use it and whether it has the features I want or need. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Krister Ekstrom Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 5:19 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access! Hi, Then it will be interesting to see what Navigon is going to offer in the future that will benefit the blind. If they offer something that is as good or nearly as good as the Sendero thing,then at least for me, the choise is clear. /Krister 27 feb 2013 kl. 14:14 skrev Andy Baracco w...@socal.rr.com: On another list, Mike May said that the price would be a little higher than the price for a product like Navigon or Tomtom. When people were asked how much they would pay, most people said that this would be a fair arrangement. There was talk about a monthly subscription, but he said that this is difficult to manage through the app store, so there will be just one price. Andy] From: Raul A. Gallegos Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 10:36 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access! The one thing to keep in mind once the price is announced is how much is this app worth to some of us. Remember that specific installs for the braille note and braille cents products cost more than $600. Also remember that many commercial GPS apps for the iPhone itself can cost anywhere from $25-$55. I have no idea what the price for this app will be, however I do know that once that price is announced if people don't like it there will definitely be a lot of vocalization from peoples opinions. I only say this because any time and accessibility app is announced in that price is more than five dollars, people seem to make a big deal over it. I can look through the archives and discussions of the access notetaker app, blindsquare, Fleksy, Sendero's Look Around app, and the various daisy readers Have mostly initially been met with criticism over the price. Some people will purchase the app despite the cost because they want to support the developer. Others will purchase the app because it is worth it to them. And still others might wait for the app to go on sale before they make a purchase. My purchasing history shows that depending on the app in question I could fall into any of those categories. Fleksy and blindsquare were apps which I purchased only after they went on sale. Yet voice dream reader and looktel recognizer were apps I purchased at full price. And finally, apps light digit-eyes and read2go our ones which I have not purchased and don't intend to. So my only point in writing this message is to remind everyone, including myself, that no matter what the price of a new app is, we will have to decide for ourselves if it is really worth it to us considering our personal needs and the features contained in the app. Cheers! On Feb 26, 2013, at 11:04 PM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hi List, This does indeed sound very promising and I especially think one of the best news about this is that they use both Navteq and OSM maps as well as POI's from Navteq, Foursquare and OSM. This should really provide very good and up-to-date map and POI information. Maybe we can all have a few less apps on the phone since this one will most likely make some others redundant. I also would imagine that since Seeing-Eye is involved in funding the project that the price for the app maybe more reasonable than we all may think. Best regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 2:02 PM To: ViPone list Subject: Fwd: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access! I wasn't sure if this had been seen on this list: From: senderogps-bou...@freelists.org [mailto:senderogps-bou...@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Kim Casey Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 4:07 PM To: 'Kim Casey' Subject: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access! Sendero Group has been designing accessible GPS since 1994. Almost 20 years of user feedback and feature requests are behind the design of all Sendero GPS products. The accessible features in Seeing Eye GPS are only the beginning of what is yet to come as users help in evolving this first fully accessible GPS product for the iPhone. To participate in the preview, visit us at CSUN Booth 521 or reply to this email and we will send you a link for a Test Flight as soon as it is available. About
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I wish the people replying to these posts would read the information before they post. According to the website, Sandero is indeed going to include maps on the phone. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze any tie ping or spelin airors. On Feb 27, 2013, at 10:43 AM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hi Bob, Sendero LookAround uses data to look up map information and somehow I doubt they would put the maps on the phone, but I guess we'll see. Keep in mind that your GPS application accessing map data will not use up huge amounts of data. I am also in Canada and while I am now on a 2 Gig plan I used to be on a flex plan and I have a hard time using even 1 Gig of data a month, of course I am not streaming music all day long through my phone, but I am also not particularly careful, I download apps via 3G, make VoIP calls via 3G and even download or stream the occasional podcast. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert Fenton Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 7:36 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access! Hello. The reason I asked about price earlier was simply to know how much I would be paying to obtain the product. There is little question that I will be purchasing it. The only factors that might convince me otherwise is if Canadian maps are not available or if maps are only available via data plan. The latter factor would substantially increase my bottom line cost for using the app since at the time of purchasing my cell phone contract, no unlimited data plans were available in the jurisdiction where I live. So, my initial question about price was a relatively simple one. I had no idea the discussion would take the philosophical turns it has. Sorry if that has bothered anybody. J Bob Fenton Sent from my iPhone On 2013-02-27, at 8:15 AM, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote: It's also worth bearing in mind that regardless of the price, unless of course it's free, there will be some people who think it's too much. This is understandable since the blind span the economic spectrum. It's also human nature and not specific to the blind. There are also those who will label it as a blind ghetto product and avoid it at all costs with the belief that main stream products should be made more accessible rather than investing in applications specific for the blind. I respect those who share this opinion, but I'm more pragmatic than religious on this point, i.e. I'll use whatever I need to to get the job done. I think my independence and ability to compete with my sighted peers does more to promote the independence of the blind than it does for me to avoid a product developed with the blind in mind. Again, this is just my opinion, and I definitely respect those with a contrary opinion. Finally, I can only speak for myself, but I'm not really too interested in what others think about whether a price is fair or not. As Raul says, this is a decision I'm going to make myself anyway. On 27/02/13 08:11, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote: One other nugget of thought to bear in mind, whatever is charged, Apple will be nabbing 30% of that, so just bear that in mind when the criticisms begin to flow. Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com http://www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com http://www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com mailto:serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 27 Feb 2013, at 06:49, Charles Dean chuckd...@icloud.com mailto:chuckd...@icloud.com wrote: Years ago I bought the human ware Trekker which cost over twelve hundred dollars. Considering the freedom it gave me, I still think it was worth every penny. Unfortunately, so many apps are so inexpensive that when one appears with a higher prize tag, many of us get a little sticker shock. If this app proves to be as good as I hope, I will buy it no matter what the costs. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze any tie ping or spelin airors. On Feb 26, 2013, at 11:36 PM, Raul A. Gallegos r...@raulgallegos.com mailto:r...@raulgallegos.com wrote: The one thing to keep in mind once the price is announced is how much is this app worth to some of us. Remember that specific installs for the braille note and braille cents products cost more than $600. Also remember that many commercial GPS apps for the iPhone itself can cost anywhere from $25-$55. I have no idea what the price for this app will be, however I do know that once that price is announced if people
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On line maps only, nothing on the phone at this time, although that topic has been raised by several on the gps-talk list, so Sendero knows that there would be people who want the ability to store at least some map info on the phone. Mary Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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Mary, Not true! Reas this: http://www.senderogroup.com/products/shopseeingeyegps.htm Chuck On Feb 27, 11:23 am, Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com wrote: On line maps only, nothing on the phone at this time, although that topic has been raised by several on the gps-talk list, so Sendero knows that there would be people who want the ability to store at least some map info on the phone. Mary Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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Chuck, Where did you see that maps would be included on the phone? I ask that because I was party to a discussion on their gps-talk list where Mike May said that maps on the phone is not included at this time in this release. Several people said they would like that feature, but I wonder why Mike would say it isn't there if the website says it is? were you maybe reading about the pc app for Windows or the notetaker apps which do have maps on the device? Mary Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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Chuck, I had read that info before when the announcement first came out. It does not say that the 2 map sources, osm and Navteq are available on the device. It says that the app draws from two map sources, which does not mean they are on the device. Given what Mike May said, I think you are reading something in to that announcement that is not stated and was, in fact, refuted by the company's ceo. Mary Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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Hi Charles, I am not sure what part of the website you found that talks about maps being on the phone. Maybe it's in the user guide which I admit I haven't read and probably won't read until I have the app, but here is the entire blurb I found on Sendero's website about the Seeing Eye app and I don't see any reference to whether maps will be on a server or stored on the phone. Maybe for some of those who haven't bothered going to the website this will be useful and I have also included the link to the user manual below the app description for those who want to read it: Announcing Seeing Eye GPS App Sendero Group has been designing accessible GPS since 1994. Almost 20 years of user feedback and feature requests are behind the design of all Sendero GPS products. The accessible features in Seeing Eye GPS are only the beginning of what is yet to come as users help in evolving this first fully accessible GPS product for the iPhone. Thank you to all of those who have volunteered to participate in the preview. We have received a more enthusiastic response than we anticipated, close to 300 people in less than 24 hours, and we are no longer able to accept any more entries and will randomly select 100 from the 300 who have already signed up. Seeing Eye GPS has maps for North America only. Once we release Seeing Eye GPS, we will be working on a version for UK and Europe customers. About Seeing Eye GPS Getting around independently is a function of good mobility tools like a guide dog or cane and good orientation tools like accessible GPS. Two pioneers in their fields, The Seeing Eye and Sendero Group have teamed up to provide a fully accessible turn-by-turn GPS iPhone app with all the normal navigation features plus features unique to blind users. . Instead of multiple layers of menus, the 3 important navigation elements are on the lower portion of every screen, Route, POIs and Location. . At intersections, the street name and your direction of travel are announced. . Intersections are described like 4-way with the clock face orientation of the streets. . There are three choices for POI data (Navteq, Foursquare, and OSM) and two map sources (Navteq and OSM). . Directions are configured appropriately for Pedestrian and vehicle routes including heads up when approaching a turn, the turn now indication, continue straight and where the subsequent turn is located. . When the user wanders off the route, it is automatically recalculated and updated turn information is announced. . Point your phone in a given direction to hear what is nearby with the LookAround Wand. . Nearby Points of interest and intersections are automatically announced. Check out the User's Guide for details on all features: http://www.senderogroup.com/support/supportseeingeye.htm Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Charles Dean Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 10:10 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access! I wish the people replying to these posts would read the information before they post. According to the website, Sandero is indeed going to include maps on the phone. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze any tie ping or spelin airors. On Feb 27, 2013, at 10:43 AM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hi Bob, Sendero LookAround uses data to look up map information and somehow I doubt they would put the maps on the phone, but I guess we'll see. Keep in mind that your GPS application accessing map data will not use up huge amounts of data. I am also in Canada and while I am now on a 2 Gig plan I used to be on a flex plan and I have a hard time using even 1 Gig of data a month, of course I am not streaming music all day long through my phone, but I am also not particularly careful, I download apps via 3G, make VoIP calls via 3G and even download or stream the occasional podcast. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert Fenton Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 7:36 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access! Hello. The reason I asked about price earlier was simply to know how much I would be paying to obtain the product. There is little question that I will be purchasing it. The only factors that might convince me otherwise is if Canadian maps are not available or if maps are only available via data plan. The latter factor would substantially increase my bottom line cost for using the app since at the time of purchasing my cell phone contract, no unlimited data plans were available in the jurisdiction where I live. So, my initial question about price was a relatively simple one. I had no idea the discussion would take
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Hi Chuck and Mary, I agree with Mary, unless they say in the user guide that maps are stored locally on the phone there is no reference to that anywhere on the website. Since Mary seems to have more insight in that due to the discussion group she was on and because Sendero LookAround also uses data to access map information on a server I would guess it is more likely the Seeing Eye app will do so as well at least to begin with. Chuck, if you saw something contrary, could you quote the section from the website, the link you provided goes to the same basic description I pasted in my previous message and it mentions nowhere I can see that maps are on the phone. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Dean Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 10:31 AM To: VIPhone Subject: Re: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access! Mary, Not true! Reas this: http://www.senderogroup.com/products/shopseeingeyegps.htm Chuck On Feb 27, 11:23 am, Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com wrote: On line maps only, nothing on the phone at this time, although that topic has been raised by several on the gps-talk list, so Sendero knows that there would be people who want the ability to store at least some map info on the phone. Mary Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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Hi Sieghard, The users' guide makes no mention of map storage one way or the other. Mike was very clear that this is the first iteration of the app, and they're going to be listening to user feedback to help guide further app development. There are features that users of the other Sendero products are familiar with, such as transit feeds and virtual exploration that are not in this version of the app. Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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Hi Mary, I totally look forward to being able to buy the app, but I also expect that this is not going to be the first and final release which has every feature and lacks every bug. Let's give Sendero a chance, they have to start somewhere and I think there comes a time when an app like this has to be thrown out into the great wide world. They could continue with a small group of beta testers for another year and maybe add a few more features and squash a few more bugs, but I'm sure we all benefit from it now and can help Sendero to improve it in future updates by providing constructive criticism and feedback on problems as well as feature requests. Sendero received enough bashing because of the limited functionality and as some people seem to think exorbitant price of Sendero LookAround which incidentally has often helped me and definitely has been worth the $5 I spend for it in the last 2 or so years. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 11:26 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access! Hi Sieghard, The users' guide makes no mention of map storage one way or the other. Mike was very clear that this is the first iteration of the app, and they're going to be listening to user feedback to help guide further app development. There are features that users of the other Sendero products are familiar with, such as transit feeds and virtual exploration that are not in this version of the app. Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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Hi Sieghard, Like you, I'm not too concerned about GPS apps chewing through huge amounts of data. The bigger concern for me is reliability. Cellular data isn't always perfect and it seems clear that you are more likely to get a smooth experience if map data is stored locally rather than in the cloud. Also, for people who don't have unlocked phones it will mean that they probably will not want to use a GPS app that accesses data while roaming. Therefore, I do hope Sendero will consider storing at least some data locally in a future update. Grant On 2/27/13, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hi Bob, Sendero LookAround uses data to look up map information and somehow I doubt they would put the maps on the phone, but I guess we'll see. Keep in mind that your GPS application accessing map data will not use up huge amounts of data. I am also in Canada and while I am now on a 2 Gig plan I used to be on a flex plan and I have a hard time using even 1 Gig of data a month, of course I am not streaming music all day long through my phone, but I am also not particularly careful, I download apps via 3G, make VoIP calls via 3G and even download or stream the occasional podcast. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert Fenton Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 7:36 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access! Hello. The reason I asked about price earlier was simply to know how much I would be paying to obtain the product. There is little question that I will be purchasing it. The only factors that might convince me otherwise is if Canadian maps are not available or if maps are only available via data plan. The latter factor would substantially increase my bottom line cost for using the app since at the time of purchasing my cell phone contract, no unlimited data plans were available in the jurisdiction where I live. So, my initial question about price was a relatively simple one. I had no idea the discussion would take the philosophical turns it has. Sorry if that has bothered anybody. J Bob Fenton Sent from my iPhone On 2013-02-27, at 8:15 AM, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote: It's also worth bearing in mind that regardless of the price, unless of course it's free, there will be some people who think it's too much. This is understandable since the blind span the economic spectrum. It's also human nature and not specific to the blind. There are also those who will label it as a blind ghetto product and avoid it at all costs with the belief that main stream products should be made more accessible rather than investing in applications specific for the blind. I respect those who share this opinion, but I'm more pragmatic than religious on this point, i.e. I'll use whatever I need to to get the job done. I think my independence and ability to compete with my sighted peers does more to promote the independence of the blind than it does for me to avoid a product developed with the blind in mind. Again, this is just my opinion, and I definitely respect those with a contrary opinion. Finally, I can only speak for myself, but I'm not really too interested in what others think about whether a price is fair or not. As Raul says, this is a decision I'm going to make myself anyway. On 27/02/13 08:11, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote: One other nugget of thought to bear in mind, whatever is charged, Apple will be nabbing 30% of that, so just bear that in mind when the criticisms begin to flow. Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com http://www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com http://www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com mailto:serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 27 Feb 2013, at 06:49, Charles Dean chuckd...@icloud.com mailto:chuckd...@icloud.com wrote: Years ago I bought the human ware Trekker which cost over twelve hundred dollars. Considering the freedom it gave me, I still think it was worth every penny. Unfortunately, so many apps are so inexpensive that when one appears with a higher prize tag, many of us get a little sticker shock. If this app proves to be as good as I hope, I will buy it no matter what the costs. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze any tie ping or spelin airors. On Feb 26, 2013, at 11:36 PM, Raul A. Gallegos r...@raulgallegos.com mailto:r...@raulgallegos.com wrote: The one thing to keep in mind once the price is announced is how much is this app worth to some of us. Remember that specific installs for the braille note and braille
RE: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access!
I read through the available documentation. It says nothing about on-board maps in the user guide either. Sorry Chuck but in correcting someone you should make sure that you are indeed correct yourself. DJ -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 1:52 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access! Hi Charles, I am not sure what part of the website you found that talks about maps being on the phone. Maybe it's in the user guide which I admit I haven't read and probably won't read until I have the app, but here is the entire blurb I found on Sendero's website about the Seeing Eye app and I don't see any reference to whether maps will be on a server or stored on the phone. Maybe for some of those who haven't bothered going to the website this will be useful and I have also included the link to the user manual below the app description for those who want to read it: Announcing Seeing Eye GPS App Sendero Group has been designing accessible GPS since 1994. Almost 20 years of user feedback and feature requests are behind the design of all Sendero GPS products. The accessible features in Seeing Eye GPS are only the beginning of what is yet to come as users help in evolving this first fully accessible GPS product for the iPhone. Thank you to all of those who have volunteered to participate in the preview. We have received a more enthusiastic response than we anticipated, close to 300 people in less than 24 hours, and we are no longer able to accept any more entries and will randomly select 100 from the 300 who have already signed up. Seeing Eye GPS has maps for North America only. Once we release Seeing Eye GPS, we will be working on a version for UK and Europe customers. About Seeing Eye GPS Getting around independently is a function of good mobility tools like a guide dog or cane and good orientation tools like accessible GPS. Two pioneers in their fields, The Seeing Eye and Sendero Group have teamed up to provide a fully accessible turn-by-turn GPS iPhone app with all the normal navigation features plus features unique to blind users. . Instead of multiple layers of menus, the 3 important navigation elements are on the lower portion of every screen, Route, POIs and Location. . At intersections, the street name and your direction of travel are announced. . Intersections are described like 4-way with the clock face orientation of the streets. . There are three choices for POI data (Navteq, Foursquare, and OSM) and two map sources (Navteq and OSM). . Directions are configured appropriately for Pedestrian and vehicle routes including heads up when approaching a turn, the turn now indication, continue straight and where the subsequent turn is located. . When the user wanders off the route, it is automatically recalculated and updated turn information is announced. . Point your phone in a given direction to hear what is nearby with the LookAround Wand. . Nearby Points of interest and intersections are automatically announced. Check out the User's Guide for details on all features: http://www.senderogroup.com/support/supportseeingeye.htm Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Charles Dean Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 10:10 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access! I wish the people replying to these posts would read the information before they post. According to the website, Sandero is indeed going to include maps on the phone. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze any tie ping or spelin airors. On Feb 27, 2013, at 10:43 AM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hi Bob, Sendero LookAround uses data to look up map information and somehow I doubt they would put the maps on the phone, but I guess we'll see. Keep in mind that your GPS application accessing map data will not use up huge amounts of data. I am also in Canada and while I am now on a 2 Gig plan I used to be on a flex plan and I have a hard time using even 1 Gig of data a month, of course I am not streaming music all day long through my phone, but I am also not particularly careful, I download apps via 3G, make VoIP calls via 3G and even download or stream the occasional podcast. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert Fenton Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 7:36 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access! Hello. The reason I asked about price earlier was simply to know how much I would be paying to obtain
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Hi Grant, Definitely good points, I do have an unlocked phone, but when I was on Maui last April for 2 weeks I didn't bother to get a local SIM. ATT is the best option there as far as coverage and they basically told me I could not have a prepaid SIM with data. When I went to Las Vegas last November I ended up getting a SIM from T-Mobile, I believe it cost me about $45, they charged me $30 for the SIM and $11 to put some money on it. On Maui my friend and I used Navigon all the time because she has a pretty bad sense of direction and since we used it exclusively in the car it worked beautifully, it was always accurate and of course I had downloaded the maps for Hawaii before leaving so it was no problem. I completely agree that the option to download maps to the phone would be ideal. But as I also said, it's their first version and as long as the updates keep on coming and we see user feedback incorporated in these updates I have no problem at all to be patient and give them a chance to improve the app. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Grant Hardy Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 3:11 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access! Hi Sieghard, Like you, I'm not too concerned about GPS apps chewing through huge amounts of data. The bigger concern for me is reliability. Cellular data isn't always perfect and it seems clear that you are more likely to get a smooth experience if map data is stored locally rather than in the cloud. Also, for people who don't have unlocked phones it will mean that they probably will not want to use a GPS app that accesses data while roaming. Therefore, I do hope Sendero will consider storing at least some data locally in a future update. Grant On 2/27/13, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hi Bob, Sendero LookAround uses data to look up map information and somehow I doubt they would put the maps on the phone, but I guess we'll see. Keep in mind that your GPS application accessing map data will not use up huge amounts of data. I am also in Canada and while I am now on a 2 Gig plan I used to be on a flex plan and I have a hard time using even 1 Gig of data a month, of course I am not streaming music all day long through my phone, but I am also not particularly careful, I download apps via 3G, make VoIP calls via 3G and even download or stream the occasional podcast. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert Fenton Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 7:36 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access! Hello. The reason I asked about price earlier was simply to know how much I would be paying to obtain the product. There is little question that I will be purchasing it. The only factors that might convince me otherwise is if Canadian maps are not available or if maps are only available via data plan. The latter factor would substantially increase my bottom line cost for using the app since at the time of purchasing my cell phone contract, no unlimited data plans were available in the jurisdiction where I live. So, my initial question about price was a relatively simple one. I had no idea the discussion would take the philosophical turns it has. Sorry if that has bothered anybody. J Bob Fenton Sent from my iPhone On 2013-02-27, at 8:15 AM, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote: It's also worth bearing in mind that regardless of the price, unless of course it's free, there will be some people who think it's too much. This is understandable since the blind span the economic spectrum. It's also human nature and not specific to the blind. There are also those who will label it as a blind ghetto product and avoid it at all costs with the belief that main stream products should be made more accessible rather than investing in applications specific for the blind. I respect those who share this opinion, but I'm more pragmatic than religious on this point, i.e. I'll use whatever I need to to get the job done. I think my independence and ability to compete with my sighted peers does more to promote the independence of the blind than it does for me to avoid a product developed with the blind in mind. Again, this is just my opinion, and I definitely respect those with a contrary opinion. Finally, I can only speak for myself, but I'm not really too interested in what others think about whether a price is fair or not. As Raul says, this is a decision I'm going to make myself anyway. On 27/02/13 08:11, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote: One other nugget of thought to bear in mind, whatever is charged, Apple
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I am willing to bet that online maps are significantly less expensive. Consider that apps with built-in maps are about 100 or more times the cost, and that is with amortisation across a very large market. Unless people are willing to spend several hundred to a thousand dollars for the app, you are stuck with online maps. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 28/02/2013, at 15:10, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hi Grant, Definitely good points, I do have an unlocked phone, but when I was on Maui last April for 2 weeks I didn't bother to get a local SIM. ATT is the best option there as far as coverage and they basically told me I could not have a prepaid SIM with data. When I went to Las Vegas last November I ended up getting a SIM from T-Mobile, I believe it cost me about $45, they charged me $30 for the SIM and $11 to put some money on it. On Maui my friend and I used Navigon all the time because she has a pretty bad sense of direction and since we used it exclusively in the car it worked beautifully, it was always accurate and of course I had downloaded the maps for Hawaii before leaving so it was no problem. I completely agree that the option to download maps to the phone would be ideal. But as I also said, it's their first version and as long as the updates keep on coming and we see user feedback incorporated in these updates I have no problem at all to be patient and give them a chance to improve the app. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Grant Hardy Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 3:11 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access! Hi Sieghard, Like you, I'm not too concerned about GPS apps chewing through huge amounts of data. The bigger concern for me is reliability. Cellular data isn't always perfect and it seems clear that you are more likely to get a smooth experience if map data is stored locally rather than in the cloud. Also, for people who don't have unlocked phones it will mean that they probably will not want to use a GPS app that accesses data while roaming. Therefore, I do hope Sendero will consider storing at least some data locally in a future update. Grant On 2/27/13, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hi Bob, Sendero LookAround uses data to look up map information and somehow I doubt they would put the maps on the phone, but I guess we'll see. Keep in mind that your GPS application accessing map data will not use up huge amounts of data. I am also in Canada and while I am now on a 2 Gig plan I used to be on a flex plan and I have a hard time using even 1 Gig of data a month, of course I am not streaming music all day long through my phone, but I am also not particularly careful, I download apps via 3G, make VoIP calls via 3G and even download or stream the occasional podcast. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert Fenton Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 7:36 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access! Hello. The reason I asked about price earlier was simply to know how much I would be paying to obtain the product. There is little question that I will be purchasing it. The only factors that might convince me otherwise is if Canadian maps are not available or if maps are only available via data plan. The latter factor would substantially increase my bottom line cost for using the app since at the time of purchasing my cell phone contract, no unlimited data plans were available in the jurisdiction where I live. So, my initial question about price was a relatively simple one. I had no idea the discussion would take the philosophical turns it has. Sorry if that has bothered anybody. J Bob Fenton Sent from my iPhone On 2013-02-27, at 8:15 AM, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote: It's also worth bearing in mind that regardless of the price, unless of course it's free, there will be some people who think it's too much. This is understandable since the blind span the economic spectrum. It's also human nature and not specific to the blind. There are also those who will label it as a blind ghetto product and avoid it at all costs with the belief that main stream products should be made more accessible rather than investing in applications specific for the blind. I respect those who share this opinion, but I'm more pragmatic than religious on this point, i.e. I'll use whatever I need to to get the job done. I think my independence and ability to compete with my sighted peers
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This is my point; if Sendero is smart, they'll built an app that EVERYONE will want, even if blind people most of all, and then they can charge less for it, reaching a broader market. Supply and demand. Mark BurningHawk Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 Home page: Http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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Unless I'm missing something, the last time I checked, NaviGon was under $50 for maps that covered some subset of North America. I don't think it would cost you a couple of hundred dollars unless you got maps for a large part of the world. On 27/02/13 20:34, David Chittenden wrote: I am willing to bet that online maps are significantly less expensive. Consider that apps with built-in maps are about 100 or more times the cost, and that is with amortisation across a very large market. Unless people are willing to spend several hundred to a thousand dollars for the app, you are stuck with online maps. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 28/02/2013, at 15:10, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hi Grant, Definitely good points, I do have an unlocked phone, but when I was on Maui last April for 2 weeks I didn't bother to get a local SIM. ATT is the best option there as far as coverage and they basically told me I could not have a prepaid SIM with data. When I went to Las Vegas last November I ended up getting a SIM from T-Mobile, I believe it cost me about $45, they charged me $30 for the SIM and $11 to put some money on it. On Maui my friend and I used Navigon all the time because she has a pretty bad sense of direction and since we used it exclusively in the car it worked beautifully, it was always accurate and of course I had downloaded the maps for Hawaii before leaving so it was no problem. I completely agree that the option to download maps to the phone would be ideal. But as I also said, it's their first version and as long as the updates keep on coming and we see user feedback incorporated in these updates I have no problem at all to be patient and give them a chance to improve the app. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Grant Hardy Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 3:11 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access! Hi Sieghard, Like you, I'm not too concerned about GPS apps chewing through huge amounts of data. The bigger concern for me is reliability. Cellular data isn't always perfect and it seems clear that you are more likely to get a smooth experience if map data is stored locally rather than in the cloud. Also, for people who don't have unlocked phones it will mean that they probably will not want to use a GPS app that accesses data while roaming. Therefore, I do hope Sendero will consider storing at least some data locally in a future update. Grant On 2/27/13, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hi Bob, Sendero LookAround uses data to look up map information and somehow I doubt they would put the maps on the phone, but I guess we'll see. Keep in mind that your GPS application accessing map data will not use up huge amounts of data. I am also in Canada and while I am now on a 2 Gig plan I used to be on a flex plan and I have a hard time using even 1 Gig of data a month, of course I am not streaming music all day long through my phone, but I am also not particularly careful, I download apps via 3G, make VoIP calls via 3G and even download or stream the occasional podcast. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert Fenton Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 7:36 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access! Hello. The reason I asked about price earlier was simply to know how much I would be paying to obtain the product. There is little question that I will be purchasing it. The only factors that might convince me otherwise is if Canadian maps are not available or if maps are only available via data plan. The latter factor would substantially increase my bottom line cost for using the app since at the time of purchasing my cell phone contract, no unlimited data plans were available in the jurisdiction where I live. So, my initial question about price was a relatively simple one. I had no idea the discussion would take the philosophical turns it has. Sorry if that has bothered anybody. J Bob Fenton Sent from my iPhone On 2013-02-27, at 8:15 AM, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote: It's also worth bearing in mind that regardless of the price, unless of course it's free, there will be some people who think it's too much. This is understandable since the blind span the economic spectrum. It's also human nature and not specific to the blind. There are also those who will label it as a blind ghetto product and avoid it at all costs with the belief that main stream products should be made more accessible rather
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I too am interested in this app. I also like what I have heard about the app from APH called Near By Explorer. It is only on the Android platform to the best of my knowledge right now. There is a great demo of it on blind-geek-zone.net. Its cost is about $100.00. I think that is reasonable. It is targeted to a smaller market than the main stream and I'm sure there is quite a bit that goes into research and development of the app. I think that app sets the bar right now, we'll see how this one compares. Maybe it will set a new standard, maybe it won't measure up or maybe it will be quite comparable. I think Raul put it well summing up how our community will react to whatever the price of this app. Both sides need to be reasonable, both the consumer and the people selling the app and setting the price. On 2/27/13, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote: Unless I'm missing something, the last time I checked, NaviGon was under $50 for maps that covered some subset of North America. I don't think it would cost you a couple of hundred dollars unless you got maps for a large part of the world. On 27/02/13 20:34, David Chittenden wrote: I am willing to bet that online maps are significantly less expensive. Consider that apps with built-in maps are about 100 or more times the cost, and that is with amortisation across a very large market. Unless people are willing to spend several hundred to a thousand dollars for the app, you are stuck with online maps. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 28/02/2013, at 15:10, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hi Grant, Definitely good points, I do have an unlocked phone, but when I was on Maui last April for 2 weeks I didn't bother to get a local SIM. ATT is the best option there as far as coverage and they basically told me I could not have a prepaid SIM with data. When I went to Las Vegas last November I ended up getting a SIM from T-Mobile, I believe it cost me about $45, they charged me $30 for the SIM and $11 to put some money on it. On Maui my friend and I used Navigon all the time because she has a pretty bad sense of direction and since we used it exclusively in the car it worked beautifully, it was always accurate and of course I had downloaded the maps for Hawaii before leaving so it was no problem. I completely agree that the option to download maps to the phone would be ideal. But as I also said, it's their first version and as long as the updates keep on coming and we see user feedback incorporated in these updates I have no problem at all to be patient and give them a chance to improve the app. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Grant Hardy Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 3:11 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access! Hi Sieghard, Like you, I'm not too concerned about GPS apps chewing through huge amounts of data. The bigger concern for me is reliability. Cellular data isn't always perfect and it seems clear that you are more likely to get a smooth experience if map data is stored locally rather than in the cloud. Also, for people who don't have unlocked phones it will mean that they probably will not want to use a GPS app that accesses data while roaming. Therefore, I do hope Sendero will consider storing at least some data locally in a future update. Grant On 2/27/13, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hi Bob, Sendero LookAround uses data to look up map information and somehow I doubt they would put the maps on the phone, but I guess we'll see. Keep in mind that your GPS application accessing map data will not use up huge amounts of data. I am also in Canada and while I am now on a 2 Gig plan I used to be on a flex plan and I have a hard time using even 1 Gig of data a month, of course I am not streaming music all day long through my phone, but I am also not particularly careful, I download apps via 3G, make VoIP calls via 3G and even download or stream the occasional podcast. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert Fenton Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 7:36 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access! Hello. The reason I asked about price earlier was simply to know how much I would be paying to obtain the product. There is little question that I will be purchasing it. The only factors that might convince me otherwise is if Canadian maps are not available or if maps are only available via data plan. The latter factor would substantially increase my bottom line cost for using the app
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Hi Mark, I get your point, but the fact is that it is highly unlikely that Sendero's Seeing Eye app will appeal to tens of thousands of sighted users. Sighted people to a large extend want visual apps with pretty maps in colour and 3D, street view and all sorts of stuff. They do want voice guidance to the extend that while they are driving they may not want to always have to look at the device to know they have to turn left in 300 feet. But I don't think they want voice guidance only which is what we want and the more information (to a degree) the better. I bet that an overwhelming majority of GPS usage by sighted people is in a vehicle and for the occasional time that they may use it while walking they are paying attention to what they see around them and don't want to hear that there is a 711 at 2 o'clock which they have already seen 2 minutes earlier. I have often walked around with sighted friends while I had my GPS on and most of the time they saw our destination long before my GPS told me that we were now 100 feet away and when we reached the destination they had no need to hear that it was on the left or the right. From what I read it appears we can expect an app with a price of around $100 or a bit less and in my opinion that is more than fair, after all, most people on this list who own an iPhone spend almost that much on their monthly plan and even those who have a cheap plan spend it in 2 months. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mark BurningHawk Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 6:40 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access! This is my point; if Sendero is smart, they'll built an app that EVERYONE will want, even if blind people most of all, and then they can charge less for it, reaching a broader market. Supply and demand. Mark BurningHawk Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 Home page: Http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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I guess that's a theoretical question, then: If Sendero made their app prettier, more visually appealing, more eye candy, with maps and whatever, would it cost too much in terms of labor and drive even the fair market price up, or would it drive the price up to target an app for a backwater, splinter market like the blind Iphone users? I have no hard answer to this, just curious. Mark BurningHawk Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 Home page: Http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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Yes, you are missing a very big something. It is called cost amortisation, and it is done by every company. Amortisation means splitting fixed costs across the entire base. In North America, Navigon costs $30 to $50. In NZ, on the other hand, Navigon costs $70 USD for maps which are significantly smaller than even your regional maps. This is because NZ's available market is much smaller, so there are very few customers to amortise the fixed costs across. In this case, the fixed costs are the licensing fees which the map software app provider must pay to the map creators for each independent copy of the maps. What usually happens is the navigation app manufacturer pays a quarterly or annual fee that has a multi-thousand (probably in the $50'000 to $100'000 range) which permits the individual copy price to be around $5. The higher the licensing fee, the lower the individual map fee. Upgrades, of course, will be either included in the annual license, or will be extremely low. Sendero, on the other hand, can only expect a tiny user base, so the amortisation of annual licensing fees will be significantly more expensive. Considering licensing fees I have seen for OCR software, I wouldn't be surprised if the amortised cost per user for the license is $50 annually. I also wouldn't be surprised if the individual map fee is over $100 per at that low annual licensing fee. It is all about economies of scale and size of customer base. Internet maps, on the other hand, have very low licensing fees, so Sendero's price covers their development costs for the app, including Seeing Eye's contributions, Apple's 30% fees, future development projection costs, and profit margins. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 28/02/2013, at 15:41, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote: Unless I'm missing something, the last time I checked, NaviGon was under $50 for maps that covered some subset of North America. I don't think it would cost you a couple of hundred dollars unless you got maps for a large part of the world. On 27/02/13 20:34, David Chittenden wrote: I am willing to bet that online maps are significantly less expensive. Consider that apps with built-in maps are about 100 or more times the cost, and that is with amortisation across a very large market. Unless people are willing to spend several hundred to a thousand dollars for the app, you are stuck with online maps. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 28/02/2013, at 15:10, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hi Grant, Definitely good points, I do have an unlocked phone, but when I was on Maui last April for 2 weeks I didn't bother to get a local SIM. ATT is the best option there as far as coverage and they basically told me I could not have a prepaid SIM with data. When I went to Las Vegas last November I ended up getting a SIM from T-Mobile, I believe it cost me about $45, they charged me $30 for the SIM and $11 to put some money on it. On Maui my friend and I used Navigon all the time because she has a pretty bad sense of direction and since we used it exclusively in the car it worked beautifully, it was always accurate and of course I had downloaded the maps for Hawaii before leaving so it was no problem. I completely agree that the option to download maps to the phone would be ideal. But as I also said, it's their first version and as long as the updates keep on coming and we see user feedback incorporated in these updates I have no problem at all to be patient and give them a chance to improve the app. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Grant Hardy Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 3:11 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access! Hi Sieghard, Like you, I'm not too concerned about GPS apps chewing through huge amounts of data. The bigger concern for me is reliability. Cellular data isn't always perfect and it seems clear that you are more likely to get a smooth experience if map data is stored locally rather than in the cloud. Also, for people who don't have unlocked phones it will mean that they probably will not want to use a GPS app that accesses data while roaming. Therefore, I do hope Sendero will consider storing at least some data locally in a future update. Grant On 2/27/13, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hi Bob, Sendero LookAround uses data to look up map information and somehow I doubt they would put the maps on the phone, but I guess we'll see. Keep in mind that your GPS application accessing map data will not use up huge amounts of data. I am also in Canada and while I am now on a 2 Gig plan I used
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You are correct. In fact, many sighted people complain if their GPS starts talking to them while they are walking. They prefer to occasionally glance at the display to confirm they are still heading in the correct direction, and prefer an unobtrusive alert if they go off course while walking. I have had sighted friends ask me to shut that damn thing off whilst we were walking together and talking. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 28/02/2013, at 16:09, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hi Mark, I get your point, but the fact is that it is highly unlikely that Sendero's Seeing Eye app will appeal to tens of thousands of sighted users. Sighted people to a large extend want visual apps with pretty maps in colour and 3D, street view and all sorts of stuff. They do want voice guidance to the extend that while they are driving they may not want to always have to look at the device to know they have to turn left in 300 feet. But I don't think they want voice guidance only which is what we want and the more information (to a degree) the better. I bet that an overwhelming majority of GPS usage by sighted people is in a vehicle and for the occasional time that they may use it while walking they are paying attention to what they see around them and don't want to hear that there is a 711 at 2 o'clock which they have already seen 2 minutes earlier. I have often walked around with sighted friends while I had my GPS on and most of the time they saw our destination long before my GPS told me that we were now 100 feet away and when we reached the destination they had no need to hear that it was on the left or the right. From what I read it appears we can expect an app with a price of around $100 or a bit less and in my opinion that is more than fair, after all, most people on this list who own an iPhone spend almost that much on their monthly plan and even those who have a cheap plan spend it in 2 months. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mark BurningHawk Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 6:40 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access! This is my point; if Sendero is smart, they'll built an app that EVERYONE will want, even if blind people most of all, and then they can charge less for it, reaching a broader market. Supply and demand. Mark BurningHawk Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 Home page: Http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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So it would still make more sense to partner with a company who makes such a silent, visually appealing app, and piggy-back a Sendero type level of verbal interaction at the user's command. This, after all, is what VoiceOver does to the native IOS when it's invoked. Then, this amortization thing you speak of can be spread not only over a wider customer base but over two companies' resources. The problem with a product that costs significantly higher because it's targeted primarily toward blind people … Okay, let me start that again… *another* problem with this approach is that there are agencies and the like with deep pockets who will justify such a purchase in their rehab or other budgets, which keeps up the barrier between the blind and the world at large. I see a win-win for Sendero to partner with a more conventionally familiar name, I.E. Garnin or someone, or even with the Apple Maps app, provide their product as an option when wanted, and at a significantly lower cost to everyone. Will I get it and all the maps I need when it comes out? Most likely, unless it's off the scale. I personally hope at least one , or home, map comes free with it, or perhaps a set, one from each map source. But making the price too high might not be as damaging as making the target user base too small. Reinventing the wheel seems a bit redundant, if you'll allow me to repeat myself a little bit one more time again. Mark BurningHawk Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 Home page: Http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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Hi, Having just downloaded a copy of the user guide, I can tell you that it doesn't say anything about maps being stored locally on the device. It does say that in the settings screen you can choose your map source, with a choice of either OSM or NavTeq. For POI data, you have a choice of using OSM, Navteq or Foursquare. Tom - Original Message - From: Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 11:20 AM Subject: RE: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access! Hi Chuck and Mary, I agree with Mary, unless they say in the user guide that maps are stored locally on the phone there is no reference to that anywhere on the website. Since Mary seems to have more insight in that due to the discussion group she was on and because Sendero LookAround also uses data to access map information on a server I would guess it is more likely the Seeing Eye app will do so as well at least to begin with. Chuck, if you saw something contrary, could you quote the section from the website, the link you provided goes to the same basic description I pasted in my previous message and it mentions nowhere I can see that maps are on the phone. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Dean Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 10:31 AM To: VIPhone Subject: Re: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access! Mary, Not true! Reas this: http://www.senderogroup.com/products/shopseeingeyegps.htm Chuck On Feb 27, 11:23 am, Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com wrote: On line maps only, nothing on the phone at this time, although that topic has been raised by several on the gps-talk list, so Sendero knows that there would be people who want the ability to store at least some map info on the phone. Mary Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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On another list, Mike said that local storage will not be possible, at least at first, but some local storage may be a later possibility. Andy -Original Message- From: Tom Lange Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 7:38 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access! Hi, Having just downloaded a copy of the user guide, I can tell you that it doesn't say anything about maps being stored locally on the device. It does say that in the settings screen you can choose your map source, with a choice of either OSM or NavTeq. For POI data, you have a choice of using OSM, Navteq or Foursquare. Tom - Original Message - From: Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 11:20 AM Subject: RE: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access! Hi Chuck and Mary, I agree with Mary, unless they say in the user guide that maps are stored locally on the phone there is no reference to that anywhere on the website. Since Mary seems to have more insight in that due to the discussion group she was on and because Sendero LookAround also uses data to access map information on a server I would guess it is more likely the Seeing Eye app will do so as well at least to begin with. Chuck, if you saw something contrary, could you quote the section from the website, the link you provided goes to the same basic description I pasted in my previous message and it mentions nowhere I can see that maps are on the phone. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Dean Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 10:31 AM To: VIPhone Subject: Re: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access! Mary, Not true! Reas this: http://www.senderogroup.com/products/shopseeingeyegps.htm Chuck On Feb 27, 11:23 am, Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com wrote: On line maps only, nothing on the phone at this time, although that topic has been raised by several on the gps-talk list, so Sendero knows that there would be people who want the ability to store at least some map info on the phone. Mary Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group
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I'm not sure how this would work. What would be Garmin's motivation for doing this? I'm not sure the development costs still wouldn't be more to provide an accessible option to a given product than develop an accessible product from the ground up. The amortization argument was mostly targeted at the downloading of maps, which we know this product won't do. It also isn't clear that this product will cost significantly more than existing products. Agencies don't have the deep pockets they might have had at one time. On 27/02/13 21:36, Mark BurningHawk wrote: So it would still make more sense to partner with a company who makes such a silent, visually appealing app, and piggy-back a Sendero type level of verbal interaction at the user's command. This, after all, is what VoiceOver does to the native IOS when it's invoked. Then, this amortization thing you speak of can be spread not only over a wider customer base but over two companies' resources. The problem with a product that costs significantly higher because it's targeted primarily toward blind people … Okay, let me start that again… *another* problem with this approach is that there are agencies and the like with deep pockets who will justify such a purchase in their rehab or other budgets, which keeps up the barrier between the blind and the world at large. I see a win-win for Sendero to partner with a more conventionally familiar name, I.E. Garnin or someone, or even with the Apple Maps app, provide their product as an option when wanted, and at a significantly lower cost to everyone. Will I get it and all the maps I need when it comes out? Most likely, unless it's off the scale. I personally hope at least one , or home, map comes free with it, or perhaps a set, one from each map source. But making the price too high might not be as damaging as making the target user base too small. Reinventing the wheel seems a bit redundant, if you'll allow me to repeat myself a little bit one more time again. Mark BurningHawk Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 Home page: Http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain at Gmail -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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I am glad they are going to have 3 different sources of maps as some are likely better than others in given areas. I always wondered why I find on Foursquare that the old and new names of a given place are both there, but the new name that took over the old building now magically has a completely different address on the given street? Does the post office actually change the address when a business is taken by someone else or why have the confusion of different addresses to the same building? - Original Message - From: Andy Baracco w...@socal.rr.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 9:47 PM Subject: Re: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access! On another list, Mike said that local storage will not be possible, at least at first, but some local storage may be a later possibility. Andy -Original Message- From: Tom Lange Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 7:38 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access! Hi, Having just downloaded a copy of the user guide, I can tell you that it doesn't say anything about maps being stored locally on the device. It does say that in the settings screen you can choose your map source, with a choice of either OSM or NavTeq. For POI data, you have a choice of using OSM, Navteq or Foursquare. Tom - Original Message - From: Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 11:20 AM Subject: RE: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access! Hi Chuck and Mary, I agree with Mary, unless they say in the user guide that maps are stored locally on the phone there is no reference to that anywhere on the website. Since Mary seems to have more insight in that due to the discussion group she was on and because Sendero LookAround also uses data to access map information on a server I would guess it is more likely the Seeing Eye app will do so as well at least to begin with. Chuck, if you saw something contrary, could you quote the section from the website, the link you provided goes to the same basic description I pasted in my previous message and it mentions nowhere I can see that maps are on the phone. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Dean Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 10:31 AM To: VIPhone Subject: Re: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access! Mary, Not true! Reas this: http://www.senderogroup.com/products/shopseeingeyegps.htm Chuck On Feb 27, 11:23 am, Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com wrote: On line maps only, nothing on the phone at this time, although that topic has been raised by several on the gps-talk list, so Sendero knows that there would be people who want the ability to store at least some map info on the phone. Mary Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message
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Navigon, TomTom, and a few others have added features useable by the blind. This is about the best we're going to get unless we go with a company focused on access for the blind. That said, most companies focused on access for the blind do not know how to design for the sighted. Apple is one of very few companies which has figured out how to do both successfully. In my experience, having worked on both sides, it is actually easier to get the mainstream companies to adapt themselves. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 28/02/2013, at 16:12, Mark BurningHawk stone_tr...@sbcglobal.net wrote: I guess that's a theoretical question, then: If Sendero made their app prettier, more visually appealing, more eye candy, with maps and whatever, would it cost too much in terms of labor and drive even the fair market price up, or would it drive the price up to target an app for a backwater, splinter market like the blind Iphone users? I have no hard answer to this, just curious. Mark BurningHawk Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 Home page: Http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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Hi Christopher and Mark, You are correct, Christopher, Garmin has no reason why they should engage in such a partnership, in fact, they would never do so since they would have to give Sendero access to their entire code and then make sure what Sendero does is not messing up anything else. Navigon, of course, is owned by Garmin so there is no difference there. Comparing Voiceover with something like GPS apps of course is comparing Apples to Oranges (pun intended) since Voiceover is developed by Apple because Apple chose to make their devices accessible. I guess one could say that if Garmin did make such a huge commitment to accessibility something like what Mark invisions could theoretically be possible, but making one app accessible does not nearly carry the importance of making an entire group of devices, an entire platform and an entire eco-system of content accessible. If Garmin had any interest in that they could have long since included accessibility in many of their stand-along Nuvi products. I know that Mark, and I mean no offense by this, seems to have a huge problem with anything that even hints at being geared towards the visually impaired. Those among us who understand that some things are just done better when they are done with the blind user in mind typically have no such problem especially if the product or, in this case, app in question most likely will be well within the price range of 95% or 98% of iPhone users. You could take Mark's argument and apply it to anything. I am not sure if Mark has a guide dog or is using a cane, but if he is using a cane, why not lobby the manufacturers of white canes to make them more appealing so that maybe sighted people would also buy them as walking sticks or whatever. Maybe they could come with all sorts of cool graphics and white ones would only be 2% of all canes manufacturered and instead of $25 they would now cost only $18. OK, enough said on this topic, there is always Apple Maps which does have a significant amount of accessibility built into it and there are apps like Navigon, Motion GPS or TomTom, of course Mark would have to use a blindness specific app like Blindsquare, Ariadne or Sendero LookAround to get the most out of them as all of us who have been using these solutions for the last few years have done. I definitely prefer to spend whatever Sendero will charge for the Seeing Eye app in the hope that I will get all of what I can do now with several apps and in time probably more out of one app. If I add up all I spend on the various GPS apps hoping I find one that works better than another I could have probably bought the Seeing Eye app twice over. That of course is not taking into account the$2,000 I spend in 2007 to buy a Trekker Maestro and the $900 I spent in 2009 to buy MobileGeo after I bought my first Windows Smartphone with MobileSpeak. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 7:58 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access! I'm not sure how this would work. What would be Garmin's motivation for doing this? I'm not sure the development costs still wouldn't be more to provide an accessible option to a given product than develop an accessible product from the ground up. The amortization argument was mostly targeted at the downloading of maps, which we know this product won't do. It also isn't clear that this product will cost significantly more than existing products. Agencies don't have the deep pockets they might have had at one time. On 27/02/13 21:36, Mark BurningHawk wrote: So it would still make more sense to partner with a company who makes such a silent, visually appealing app, and piggy-back a Sendero type level of verbal interaction at the user's command. This, after all, is what VoiceOver does to the native IOS when it's invoked. Then, this amortization thing you speak of can be spread not only over a wider customer base but over two companies' resources. The problem with a product that costs significantly higher because it's targeted primarily toward blind people . Okay, let me start that again. *another* problem with this approach is that there are agencies and the like with deep pockets who will justify such a purchase in their rehab or other budgets, which keeps up the barrier between the blind and the world at large. I see a win-win for Sendero to partner with a more conventionally familiar name, I.E. Garnin or someone, or even with the Apple Maps app, provide their product as an option when wanted, and at a significantly lower cost to everyone. Will I get it and all the maps I need when it comes out? Most likely, unless it's off the scale. I personally hope at least one , or home, map comes free with it, or perhaps a set, one from each
Re: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access!
Wow. well, thanks for making it personal, there. Appreciate that, but not so much. What *I* personally have a problem with, since you brought it up, is anything that raises the barriers that sight imposes between blind and sighted persons, instead of lowering them or making that barrier meaningless. If this is a white cane versus a black or tan or whatever cane, fine. If it a GPS app that has a cheaper price but has a sub-level for blind people, designed by blind people, then I think that's a better way to go than reinventing the wheel of GPS apps for the blind, charging them and only them or their agencies more, and relegating the blind to their own separate portion of the market. Apple has shown by example that this is not necessarily the result for blind people who use technology. Many sighted companies--certain US-based airlines spring to mind--merge to provide a more complete range of services--why couldn't this be a more feasible approach to a GPS app that is universally accessible? The same argument you use when you say that one company making devices universally accessible does not make the industry standard, is used all the time to keep whole countries from going green, by switching to alternative energy sources. As for your comparison to canes, I guess you haven't been to any page selling canes or their accessories lately--if so, you'll find a large list of said accessories visually designed for matching with your shoes, hand-bag, golf bag, whatever. And, just to clear this up, I'm a 23-year veteran with four guide dogs' lives worth of service to my credit, I've lived all over the US in every conceivable environmental and mobility situation. I'm just very lucky to be a basic black, wearing type individual, so I haven't had to accessorize my black lab much. Oh, and they have tons of guide dog harness accessories, not to mention the usual run of silly doggie booties and sweaters and the lot. You say that Some things are just better when they are done with the blind person in mind, I have to ask, Who is doing these things? a sighted overlord? Things done with me in mind have almost killed me too many times to count, sir, and if you must know, it is things done with me and my good in mind that I have a huge objection to. So should every thinking person. Mark BurningHawk Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 Home page: Http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
RE: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access!
Hi all. As my own opinion, I think because of the accessibility of apps to everybody around the world, someone may think that is the reasonable price but someone else may think that's a crazy one. For the living cost in your country, you may think 9$ for an app is ok, reasonable but for the poor country such as ones in Africa or Vietnam, southeast Asia, where I'm living, that is really high price for an app. 9$ is worth ten lunch for a usual people here. I'm even a student without very much, almost no help from the government, it makes me feel really bad when deciding to buy an app for studying use. I know the hobbit that always waiting for app going on sale to buy is not good but you should put you own into many situation so that you can understand them better. Thanks for reading! Best regards! Jimmy Vinh Nguyen (Nguyễn Thành Vinh) Primary email: nguyenthanhvin...@gmail.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/jimmy.vinh.nguyen94 Cell: (+84) 16 5551 5557; (+84) 929 176 557 (alternate) Yahoo MSGR.: nguyenthanhvinh1992 Skype: thanhvinh94 On Feb 26, 2013, at 11:36 PM, Raul A. Gallegos r...@raulgallegos.com mailto:r...@raulgallegos.com wrote: The one thing to keep in mind once the price is announced is how much is this app worth to some of us. Remember that specific installs for the braille note and braille cents products cost more than $600. Also remember that many commercial GPS apps for the iPhone itself can cost anywhere from $25-$55. I have no idea what the price for this app will be, however I do know that once that price is announced if people don't like it there will definitely be a lot of vocalization from peoples opinions. I only say this because any time and accessibility app is announced in that price is more than five dollars, people seem to make a big deal over it. I can look through the archives and discussions of the access notetaker app, blindsquare, Fleksy, Sendero's Look Around app, and the various daisy readers Have mostly initially been met with criticism over the price. Some people will purchase the app despite the cost because they want to support the developer. Others will purchase the app because it is worth it to them. And still others might wait for the app to go on sale before they make a purchase. My purchasing history shows that depending on the app in question I could fall into any of those categories. Fleksy and blindsquare were apps which I purchased only after they went on sale. Yet voice dream reader and looktel recognizer were apps I purchased at full price. And finally, apps light digit-eyes and read2go our ones which I have not purchased and don't intend to. So my only point in writing this message is to remind everyone, including myself, that no matter what the price of a new app is, we will have to decide for ourselves if it is really worth it to us considering our personal needs and the features contained in the app. Cheers! On Feb 26, 2013, at 11:04 PM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca mailto:siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hi List, This does indeed sound very promising and I especially think one of the best news about this is that they use both Navteq and OSM maps as well as POI's from Navteq, Foursquare and OSM. This should really provide very good and up-to-date map and POI information. Maybe we can all have a few less apps on the phone since this one will most likely make some others redundant. I also would imagine that since Seeing-Eye is involved in funding the project that the price for the app maybe more reasonable than we all may think. Best regards, Sieghard *From:*viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Richard Turner *Sent:* Tuesday, February 26, 2013 2:02 PM *To:* ViPone list *Subject:* Fwd: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access! I wasn't sure if this had been seen on this list: *From:*senderogps-bou...@freelists.org mailto:senderogps-bou...@freelists.org [mailto:senderogps-bou...@freelists.org] *On Behalf Of *Kim Casey *Sent:* Monday, February 25, 2013 4:07 PM *To:* 'Kim Casey' *Subject:* Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access! Sendero Group has been designing accessible GPS since 1994. Almost 20 years of user feedback and feature requests are behind the design of all Sendero GPS products. The accessible features in Seeing Eye GPS are only the beginning of what is yet to come as users help in evolving this first fully accessible GPS product for the iPhone. To participate in the preview, visit us at CSUN Booth 521 or reply to this email and we will send you a link for a Test Flight as soon as it is available. About Seeing Eye GPS Getting around independently is a
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Is there a projected release date for the seeing eye app? Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze any tie ping or spelin airors. On Feb 26, 2013, at 3:01 PM, Richard Turner richard.turne...@gmail.com wrote: I wasn't sure if this had been seen on this list: From: senderogps-bou...@freelists.org [mailto:senderogps-bou...@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Kim Casey Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 4:07 PM To: 'Kim Casey' Subject: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access! Sendero Group has been designing accessible GPS since 1994. Almost 20 years of user feedback and feature requests are behind the design of all Sendero GPS products. The accessible features in Seeing Eye GPS are only the beginning of what is yet to come as users help in evolving this first fully accessible GPS product for the iPhone. To participate in the preview, visit us at CSUN Booth 521 or reply to this email and we will send you a link for a Test Flight as soon as it is available. About Seeing Eye GPS Getting around independently is a function of good mobility tools like a guide dog or cane and good orientation tools like accessible GPS. Two pioneers in their fields, The Seeing Eye and Sendero Group have teamed up to provide a fully accessible turn-by-turn GPS iPhone app with all the normal navigation features plus features unique to blind users. * Instead of multiple layers of menus, the 3 important navigation elements are on the lower portion of every screen, Route, POIs and Location. * At intersections, the street name and your direction of travel are announced. * Intersections are described like 4-way with the clock face orientation of the streets. * There are 3 choices for POI data and 2 map sources. * Directions are configured appropriately for Pedestrian and vehicle routes including heads up when approaching a turn, the turn now indication, continue straight and where the subsequent turn is located. * When the user wanders off the route, it is automatically recalculated and updated turn information is announced. * Point your phone in a given direction to hear what is nearby with the LookAround Wand. * Nearby Points of interest and intersections are automatically announced. For more information go to http://www.senderogroup.com/products/shopseeingeyegps.htm New 2013 Sendero products Announcing Sendero PC GPS 2013, adds GPS functionality to Sendero PC Maps and works on Windows laptops, Tablets, and ultrabooks. New 2013 maps and POIs for Sendero GPS, Sense Navigation, and Mobile Geo plus much faster POI searches Not going to CSUN – No problem! Thanks to the folks at Accessible World Tek Talk, you can join in the fun and listen into the following presentations. February 28, Thursday, 9:30 - 10:30 PM, Testing a Prototype iPhone People Finder App March 1, Friday, 2:00 - 3:00 PM, Showing the Seeing Eye GPS iPhone App Just go to: http://conference321.com/masteradmin/room.asp?id=rsc9613dc89eb2 at the scheduled session time. If you are a first-time user of the Talking Communities online conferencing software, there is a small, safe software program that you need to download and then run. Visit http://accessibleworld.org/audio-tc-faq-page for information on how to get your computer set up for the session. For more information on all of these items, go to http://www.SenderoGroup.com or call Sendero toll free at 1-888-757-6810 Don't forget to sign up for our SenderoGPS Twitter account to hear play-by-play comments as the new iPhone app is rolled out! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving
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Also, do we know anything about the cost? I didn't see any information about that when I read the announcement quickly. Bob Fenton Sent from my iPhone On 2013-02-26, at 6:26 PM, Charles Dean chuckd...@icloud.com wrote: Is there a projected release date for the seeing eye app? Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze any tie ping or spelin airors. On Feb 26, 2013, at 3:01 PM, Richard Turner richard.turne...@gmail.com wrote: I wasn't sure if this had been seen on this list: From: senderogps-bou...@freelists.org [mailto:senderogps-bou...@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Kim Casey Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 4:07 PM To: 'Kim Casey' Subject: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access! Sendero Group has been designing accessible GPS since 1994. Almost 20 years of user feedback and feature requests are behind the design of all Sendero GPS products. The accessible features in Seeing Eye GPS are only the beginning of what is yet to come as users help in evolving this first fully accessible GPS product for the iPhone. To participate in the preview, visit us at CSUN Booth 521 or reply to this email and we will send you a link for a Test Flight as soon as it is available. About Seeing Eye GPS Getting around independently is a function of good mobility tools like a guide dog or cane and good orientation tools like accessible GPS. Two pioneers in their fields, The Seeing Eye and Sendero Group have teamed up to provide a fully accessible turn-by-turn GPS iPhone app with all the normal navigation features plus features unique to blind users. * Instead of multiple layers of menus, the 3 important navigation elements are on the lower portion of every screen, Route, POIs and Location. * At intersections, the street name and your direction of travel are announced. * Intersections are described like 4-way with the clock face orientation of the streets. * There are 3 choices for POI data and 2 map sources. * Directions are configured appropriately for Pedestrian and vehicle routes including heads up when approaching a turn, the turn now indication, continue straight and where the subsequent turn is located. * When the user wanders off the route, it is automatically recalculated and updated turn information is announced. * Point your phone in a given direction to hear what is nearby with the LookAround Wand. * Nearby Points of interest and intersections are automatically announced. For more information go to http://www.senderogroup.com/products/shopseeingeyegps.htm New 2013 Sendero products Announcing Sendero PC GPS 2013, adds GPS functionality to Sendero PC Maps and works on Windows laptops, Tablets, and ultrabooks. New 2013 maps and POIs for Sendero GPS, Sense Navigation, and Mobile Geo plus much faster POI searches Not going to CSUN – No problem! Thanks to the folks at Accessible World Tek Talk, you can join in the fun and listen into the following presentations. February 28, Thursday, 9:30 - 10:30 PM, Testing a Prototype iPhone People Finder App March 1, Friday, 2:00 - 3:00 PM, Showing the Seeing Eye GPS iPhone App Just go to: http://conference321.com/masteradmin/room.asp?id=rsc9613dc89eb2 at the scheduled session time. If you are a first-time user of the Talking Communities online conferencing software, there is a small, safe software program that you need to download and then run. Visit http://accessibleworld.org/audio-tc-faq-page for information on how to get your computer set up for the session. For more information on all of these items, go to http://www.SenderoGroup.com or call Sendero toll free at 1-888-757-6810 Don't forget to sign up for our SenderoGPS Twitter account to hear play-by-play comments as the new iPhone app is rolled out! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
Re: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access!
No specific info about pricing. They hope to release the app very soon. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 26, 2013, at 8:29 PM, Robert Fenton robert.fen...@samobile.net wrote: Also, do we know anything about the cost? I didn't see any information about that when I read the announcement quickly. Bob Fenton Sent from my iPhone On 2013-02-26, at 6:26 PM, Charles Dean chuckd...@icloud.com wrote: Is there a projected release date for the seeing eye app? Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze any tie ping or spelin airors. On Feb 26, 2013, at 3:01 PM, Richard Turner richard.turne...@gmail.com wrote: I wasn't sure if this had been seen on this list: From: senderogps-bou...@freelists.org [mailto:senderogps-bou...@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Kim Casey Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 4:07 PM To: 'Kim Casey' Subject: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access! Sendero Group has been designing accessible GPS since 1994. Almost 20 years of user feedback and feature requests are behind the design of all Sendero GPS products. The accessible features in Seeing Eye GPS are only the beginning of what is yet to come as users help in evolving this first fully accessible GPS product for the iPhone. To participate in the preview, visit us at CSUN Booth 521 or reply to this email and we will send you a link for a Test Flight as soon as it is available. About Seeing Eye GPS Getting around independently is a function of good mobility tools like a guide dog or cane and good orientation tools like accessible GPS. Two pioneers in their fields, The Seeing Eye and Sendero Group have teamed up to provide a fully accessible turn-by-turn GPS iPhone app with all the normal navigation features plus features unique to blind users. * Instead of multiple layers of menus, the 3 important navigation elements are on the lower portion of every screen, Route, POIs and Location. * At intersections, the street name and your direction of travel are announced. * Intersections are described like 4-way with the clock face orientation of the streets. * There are 3 choices for POI data and 2 map sources. * Directions are configured appropriately for Pedestrian and vehicle routes including heads up when approaching a turn, the turn now indication, continue straight and where the subsequent turn is located. * When the user wanders off the route, it is automatically recalculated and updated turn information is announced. * Point your phone in a given direction to hear what is nearby with the LookAround Wand. * Nearby Points of interest and intersections are automatically announced. For more information go to http://www.senderogroup.com/products/shopseeingeyegps.htm New 2013 Sendero products Announcing Sendero PC GPS 2013, adds GPS functionality to Sendero PC Maps and works on Windows laptops, Tablets, and ultrabooks. New 2013 maps and POIs for Sendero GPS, Sense Navigation, and Mobile Geo plus much faster POI searches Not going to CSUN – No problem! Thanks to the folks at Accessible World Tek Talk, you can join in the fun and listen into the following presentations. February 28, Thursday, 9:30 - 10:30 PM, Testing a Prototype iPhone People Finder App March 1, Friday, 2:00 - 3:00 PM, Showing the Seeing Eye GPS iPhone App Just go to: http://conference321.com/masteradmin/room.asp?id=rsc9613dc89eb2 at the scheduled session time. If you are a first-time user of the Talking Communities online conferencing software, there is a small, safe software program that you need to download and then run. Visit http://accessibleworld.org/audio-tc-faq-page for information on how to get your computer set up for the session. For more information on all of these items, go to http://www.SenderoGroup.com or call Sendero toll free at 1-888-757-6810 Don't forget to sign up for our SenderoGPS Twitter account to hear play-by-play comments as the new iPhone app is rolled out! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit
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And is there a price for the non-preview non-free version? I'm hopefully getting an Iphone some time within the next two weeks. so YAY! Mark BurningHawk Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 Home page: Http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access!
The only information I am aware of is what was in the announcement. I hope to be able to listen to the presentation on Friday in hopes more will be revealed. Richard (Sent from Richard's iPod Touch 5th gen) On Feb 26, 2013, at 6:11 PM, Mark BurningHawk stone_tr...@sbcglobal.net wrote: And is there a price for the non-preview non-free version? I'm hopefully getting an Iphone some time within the next two weeks. so YAY! Mark BurningHawk Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 Home page: Http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access!
I am very interested in this app. Thank you for making it available. Please send me a link to the test flight when it is ready. Candie On Feb 26, 2013, at 2:01 PM, Richard Turner richard.turne...@gmail.com wrote: I wasn't sure if this had been seen on this list: From: senderogps-bou...@freelists.org [mailto:senderogps-bou...@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Kim Casey Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 4:07 PM To: 'Kim Casey' Subject: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access! Sendero Group has been designing accessible GPS since 1994. Almost 20 years of user feedback and feature requests are behind the design of all Sendero GPS products. The accessible features in Seeing Eye GPS are only the beginning of what is yet to come as users help in evolving this first fully accessible GPS product for the iPhone. To participate in the preview, visit us at CSUN Booth 521 or reply to this email and we will send you a link for a Test Flight as soon as it is available. About Seeing Eye GPS Getting around independently is a function of good mobility tools like a guide dog or cane and good orientation tools like accessible GPS. Two pioneers in their fields, The Seeing Eye and Sendero Group have teamed up to provide a fully accessible turn-by-turn GPS iPhone app with all the normal navigation features plus features unique to blind users. * Instead of multiple layers of menus, the 3 important navigation elements are on the lower portion of every screen, Route, POIs and Location. * At intersections, the street name and your direction of travel are announced. * Intersections are described like 4-way with the clock face orientation of the streets. * There are 3 choices for POI data and 2 map sources. * Directions are configured appropriately for Pedestrian and vehicle routes including heads up when approaching a turn, the turn now indication, continue straight and where the subsequent turn is located. * When the user wanders off the route, it is automatically recalculated and updated turn information is announced. * Point your phone in a given direction to hear what is nearby with the LookAround Wand. * Nearby Points of interest and intersections are automatically announced. For more information go to http://www.senderogroup.com/products/shopseeingeyegps.htm New 2013 Sendero products Announcing Sendero PC GPS 2013, adds GPS functionality to Sendero PC Maps and works on Windows laptops, Tablets, and ultrabooks. New 2013 maps and POIs for Sendero GPS, Sense Navigation, and Mobile Geo plus much faster POI searches Not going to CSUN – No problem! Thanks to the folks at Accessible World Tek Talk, you can join in the fun and listen into the following presentations. February 28, Thursday, 9:30 - 10:30 PM, Testing a Prototype iPhone People Finder App March 1, Friday, 2:00 - 3:00 PM, Showing the Seeing Eye GPS iPhone App Just go to: http://conference321.com/masteradmin/room.asp?id=rsc9613dc89eb2 at the scheduled session time. If you are a first-time user of the Talking Communities online conferencing software, there is a small, safe software program that you need to download and then run. Visit http://accessibleworld.org/audio-tc-faq-page for information on how to get your computer set up for the session. For more information on all of these items, go to http://www.SenderoGroup.com or call Sendero toll free at 1-888-757-6810 Don't forget to sign up for our SenderoGPS Twitter account to hear play-by-play comments as the new iPhone app is rolled out! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group
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Candy, you need to contact Sendero to get the trial link. I just forwarded their announcement. Richard (Sent from Richard's iPod Touch 5th gen) On Feb 26, 2013, at 6:53 PM, Candie Stiles candiesti...@me.com wrote: I am very interested in this app. Thank you for making it available. Please send me a link to the test flight when it is ready. Candie On Feb 26, 2013, at 2:01 PM, Richard Turner richard.turne...@gmail.com wrote: I wasn't sure if this had been seen on this list: From: senderogps-bou...@freelists.org [mailto:senderogps-bou...@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Kim Casey Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 4:07 PM To: 'Kim Casey' Subject: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access! Sendero Group has been designing accessible GPS since 1994. Almost 20 years of user feedback and feature requests are behind the design of all Sendero GPS products. The accessible features in Seeing Eye GPS are only the beginning of what is yet to come as users help in evolving this first fully accessible GPS product for the iPhone. To participate in the preview, visit us at CSUN Booth 521 or reply to this email and we will send you a link for a Test Flight as soon as it is available. About Seeing Eye GPS Getting around independently is a function of good mobility tools like a guide dog or cane and good orientation tools like accessible GPS. Two pioneers in their fields, The Seeing Eye and Sendero Group have teamed up to provide a fully accessible turn-by-turn GPS iPhone app with all the normal navigation features plus features unique to blind users. * Instead of multiple layers of menus, the 3 important navigation elements are on the lower portion of every screen, Route, POIs and Location. * At intersections, the street name and your direction of travel are announced. * Intersections are described like 4-way with the clock face orientation of the streets. * There are 3 choices for POI data and 2 map sources. * Directions are configured appropriately for Pedestrian and vehicle routes including heads up when approaching a turn, the turn now indication, continue straight and where the subsequent turn is located. * When the user wanders off the route, it is automatically recalculated and updated turn information is announced. * Point your phone in a given direction to hear what is nearby with the LookAround Wand. * Nearby Points of interest and intersections are automatically announced. For more information go to http://www.senderogroup.com/products/shopseeingeyegps.htm New 2013 Sendero products Announcing Sendero PC GPS 2013, adds GPS functionality to Sendero PC Maps and works on Windows laptops, Tablets, and ultrabooks. New 2013 maps and POIs for Sendero GPS, Sense Navigation, and Mobile Geo plus much faster POI searches Not going to CSUN – No problem! Thanks to the folks at Accessible World Tek Talk, you can join in the fun and listen into the following presentations. February 28, Thursday, 9:30 - 10:30 PM, Testing a Prototype iPhone People Finder App March 1, Friday, 2:00 - 3:00 PM, Showing the Seeing Eye GPS iPhone App Just go to: http://conference321.com/masteradmin/room.asp?id=rsc9613dc89eb2 at the scheduled session time. If you are a first-time user of the Talking Communities online conferencing software, there is a small, safe software program that you need to download and then run. Visit http://accessibleworld.org/audio-tc-faq-page for information on how to get your computer set up for the session. For more information on all of these items, go to http://www.SenderoGroup.com or call Sendero toll free at 1-888-757-6810 Don't forget to sign up for our SenderoGPS Twitter account to hear play-by-play comments as the new iPhone app is rolled out! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
Re: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access!
According to the article I read, they have already got their 100 testers. They said they got over 300 applicants and 24 hours. So they will not be needing any more testers. We will have to wait for the full version to come out. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze any tie ping or spelin airors. On Feb 26, 2013, at 7:53 PM, Candie Stiles candiesti...@me.com wrote: I am very interested in this app. Thank you for making it available. Please send me a link to the test flight when it is ready. Candie On Feb 26, 2013, at 2:01 PM, Richard Turner richard.turne...@gmail.com wrote: I wasn't sure if this had been seen on this list: From: senderogps-bou...@freelists.org [mailto:senderogps-bou...@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Kim Casey Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 4:07 PM To: 'Kim Casey' Subject: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access! Sendero Group has been designing accessible GPS since 1994. Almost 20 years of user feedback and feature requests are behind the design of all Sendero GPS products. The accessible features in Seeing Eye GPS are only the beginning of what is yet to come as users help in evolving this first fully accessible GPS product for the iPhone. To participate in the preview, visit us at CSUN Booth 521 or reply to this email and we will send you a link for a Test Flight as soon as it is available. About Seeing Eye GPS Getting around independently is a function of good mobility tools like a guide dog or cane and good orientation tools like accessible GPS. Two pioneers in their fields, The Seeing Eye and Sendero Group have teamed up to provide a fully accessible turn-by-turn GPS iPhone app with all the normal navigation features plus features unique to blind users. * Instead of multiple layers of menus, the 3 important navigation elements are on the lower portion of every screen, Route, POIs and Location. * At intersections, the street name and your direction of travel are announced. * Intersections are described like 4-way with the clock face orientation of the streets. * There are 3 choices for POI data and 2 map sources. * Directions are configured appropriately for Pedestrian and vehicle routes including heads up when approaching a turn, the turn now indication, continue straight and where the subsequent turn is located. * When the user wanders off the route, it is automatically recalculated and updated turn information is announced. * Point your phone in a given direction to hear what is nearby with the LookAround Wand. * Nearby Points of interest and intersections are automatically announced. For more information go to http://www.senderogroup.com/products/shopseeingeyegps.htm New 2013 Sendero products Announcing Sendero PC GPS 2013, adds GPS functionality to Sendero PC Maps and works on Windows laptops, Tablets, and ultrabooks. New 2013 maps and POIs for Sendero GPS, Sense Navigation, and Mobile Geo plus much faster POI searches Not going to CSUN – No problem! Thanks to the folks at Accessible World Tek Talk, you can join in the fun and listen into the following presentations. February 28, Thursday, 9:30 - 10:30 PM, Testing a Prototype iPhone People Finder App March 1, Friday, 2:00 - 3:00 PM, Showing the Seeing Eye GPS iPhone App Just go to: http://conference321.com/masteradmin/room.asp?id=rsc9613dc89eb2 at the scheduled session time. If you are a first-time user of the Talking Communities online conferencing software, there is a small, safe software program that you need to download and then run. Visit http://accessibleworld.org/audio-tc-faq-page for information on how to get your computer set up for the session. For more information on all of these items, go to http://www.SenderoGroup.com or call Sendero toll free at 1-888-757-6810 Don't forget to sign up for our SenderoGPS Twitter account to hear play-by-play comments as the new iPhone app is rolled out! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit
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I apologize for sending that message. I replied and then right afterwards realized I accidentally sent the message to the list. On Feb 26, 2013, at 6:53 PM, Candie Stiles candiesti...@me.com wrote: I am very interested in this app. Thank you for making it available. Please send me a link to the test flight when it is ready. Candie On Feb 26, 2013, at 2:01 PM, Richard Turner richard.turne...@gmail.com wrote: I wasn't sure if this had been seen on this list: From: senderogps-bou...@freelists.org [mailto:senderogps-bou...@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Kim Casey Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 4:07 PM To: 'Kim Casey' Subject: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access! Sendero Group has been designing accessible GPS since 1994. Almost 20 years of user feedback and feature requests are behind the design of all Sendero GPS products. The accessible features in Seeing Eye GPS are only the beginning of what is yet to come as users help in evolving this first fully accessible GPS product for the iPhone. To participate in the preview, visit us at CSUN Booth 521 or reply to this email and we will send you a link for a Test Flight as soon as it is available. About Seeing Eye GPS Getting around independently is a function of good mobility tools like a guide dog or cane and good orientation tools like accessible GPS. Two pioneers in their fields, The Seeing Eye and Sendero Group have teamed up to provide a fully accessible turn-by-turn GPS iPhone app with all the normal navigation features plus features unique to blind users. * Instead of multiple layers of menus, the 3 important navigation elements are on the lower portion of every screen, Route, POIs and Location. * At intersections, the street name and your direction of travel are announced. * Intersections are described like 4-way with the clock face orientation of the streets. * There are 3 choices for POI data and 2 map sources. * Directions are configured appropriately for Pedestrian and vehicle routes including heads up when approaching a turn, the turn now indication, continue straight and where the subsequent turn is located. * When the user wanders off the route, it is automatically recalculated and updated turn information is announced. * Point your phone in a given direction to hear what is nearby with the LookAround Wand. * Nearby Points of interest and intersections are automatically announced. For more information go to http://www.senderogroup.com/products/shopseeingeyegps.htm New 2013 Sendero products Announcing Sendero PC GPS 2013, adds GPS functionality to Sendero PC Maps and works on Windows laptops, Tablets, and ultrabooks. New 2013 maps and POIs for Sendero GPS, Sense Navigation, and Mobile Geo plus much faster POI searches Not going to CSUN – No problem! Thanks to the folks at Accessible World Tek Talk, you can join in the fun and listen into the following presentations. February 28, Thursday, 9:30 - 10:30 PM, Testing a Prototype iPhone People Finder App March 1, Friday, 2:00 - 3:00 PM, Showing the Seeing Eye GPS iPhone App Just go to: http://conference321.com/masteradmin/room.asp?id=rsc9613dc89eb2 at the scheduled session time. If you are a first-time user of the Talking Communities online conferencing software, there is a small, safe software program that you need to download and then run. Visit http://accessibleworld.org/audio-tc-faq-page for information on how to get your computer set up for the session. For more information on all of these items, go to http://www.SenderoGroup.com or call Sendero toll free at 1-888-757-6810 Don't forget to sign up for our SenderoGPS Twitter account to hear play-by-play comments as the new iPhone app is rolled out! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
Re: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access!
Me too please. Bob Fenton Sent from my iPhone On 2013-02-26, at 7:53 PM, Candie Stiles candiesti...@me.com wrote: I am very interested in this app. Thank you for making it available. Please send me a link to the test flight when it is ready. Candie On Feb 26, 2013, at 2:01 PM, Richard Turner richard.turne...@gmail.com wrote: I wasn't sure if this had been seen on this list: From: senderogps-bou...@freelists.org [mailto:senderogps-bou...@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Kim Casey Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 4:07 PM To: 'Kim Casey' Subject: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access! Sendero Group has been designing accessible GPS since 1994. Almost 20 years of user feedback and feature requests are behind the design of all Sendero GPS products. The accessible features in Seeing Eye GPS are only the beginning of what is yet to come as users help in evolving this first fully accessible GPS product for the iPhone. To participate in the preview, visit us at CSUN Booth 521 or reply to this email and we will send you a link for a Test Flight as soon as it is available. About Seeing Eye GPS Getting around independently is a function of good mobility tools like a guide dog or cane and good orientation tools like accessible GPS. Two pioneers in their fields, The Seeing Eye and Sendero Group have teamed up to provide a fully accessible turn-by-turn GPS iPhone app with all the normal navigation features plus features unique to blind users. * Instead of multiple layers of menus, the 3 important navigation elements are on the lower portion of every screen, Route, POIs and Location. * At intersections, the street name and your direction of travel are announced. * Intersections are described like 4-way with the clock face orientation of the streets. * There are 3 choices for POI data and 2 map sources. * Directions are configured appropriately for Pedestrian and vehicle routes including heads up when approaching a turn, the turn now indication, continue straight and where the subsequent turn is located. * When the user wanders off the route, it is automatically recalculated and updated turn information is announced. * Point your phone in a given direction to hear what is nearby with the LookAround Wand. * Nearby Points of interest and intersections are automatically announced. For more information go to http://www.senderogroup.com/products/shopseeingeyegps.htm New 2013 Sendero products Announcing Sendero PC GPS 2013, adds GPS functionality to Sendero PC Maps and works on Windows laptops, Tablets, and ultrabooks. New 2013 maps and POIs for Sendero GPS, Sense Navigation, and Mobile Geo plus much faster POI searches Not going to CSUN – No problem! Thanks to the folks at Accessible World Tek Talk, you can join in the fun and listen into the following presentations. February 28, Thursday, 9:30 - 10:30 PM, Testing a Prototype iPhone People Finder App March 1, Friday, 2:00 - 3:00 PM, Showing the Seeing Eye GPS iPhone App Just go to: http://conference321.com/masteradmin/room.asp?id=rsc9613dc89eb2 at the scheduled session time. If you are a first-time user of the Talking Communities online conferencing software, there is a small, safe software program that you need to download and then run. Visit http://accessibleworld.org/audio-tc-faq-page for information on how to get your computer set up for the session. For more information on all of these items, go to http://www.SenderoGroup.com or call Sendero toll free at 1-888-757-6810 Don't forget to sign up for our SenderoGPS Twitter account to hear play-by-play comments as the new iPhone app is rolled out! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at
Re: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access!
Candy, if you look in the email which eluded to this app, there were a couple websites listed which may turn out to be of some use for you, I believe at one of them you can sign up for yet to come information about the app which is reported to be forth-coming. Fred Olver - Original Message - From: Candie Stiles To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 8:53 PM Subject: Re: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access! I am very interested in this app. Thank you for making it available. Please send me a link to the test flight when it is ready. Candie On Feb 26, 2013, at 2:01 PM, Richard Turner richard.turne...@gmail.com wrote: I wasn't sure if this had been seen on this list: From: senderogps-bou...@freelists.org [mailto:senderogps-bou...@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Kim Casey Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 4:07 PM To: 'Kim Casey' Subject: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access! Sendero Group has been designing accessible GPS since 1994. Almost 20 years of user feedback and feature requests are behind the design of all Sendero GPS products. The accessible features in Seeing Eye GPS are only the beginning of what is yet to come as users help in evolving this first fully accessible GPS product for the iPhone. To participate in the preview, visit us at CSUN Booth 521 or reply to this email and we will send you a link for a Test Flight as soon as it is available. About Seeing Eye GPS Getting around independently is a function of good mobility tools like a guide dog or cane and good orientation tools like accessible GPS. Two pioneers in their fields, The Seeing Eye and Sendero Group have teamed up to provide a fully accessible turn-by-turn GPS iPhone app with all the normal navigation features plus features unique to blind users. * Instead of multiple layers of menus, the 3 important navigation elements are on the lower portion of every screen, Route, POIs and Location. * At intersections, the street name and your direction of travel are announced. * Intersections are described like 4-way with the clock face orientation of the streets. * There are 3 choices for POI data and 2 map sources. * Directions are configured appropriately for Pedestrian and vehicle routes including heads up when approaching a turn, the turn now indication, continue straight and where the subsequent turn is located. * When the user wanders off the route, it is automatically recalculated and updated turn information is announced. * Point your phone in a given direction to hear what is nearby with the LookAround Wand. * Nearby Points of interest and intersections are automatically announced. For more information go to http://www.senderogroup.com/products/shopseeingeyegps.htm New 2013 Sendero products Announcing Sendero PC GPS 2013, adds GPS functionality to Sendero PC Maps and works on Windows laptops, Tablets, and ultrabooks. New 2013 maps and POIs for Sendero GPS, Sense Navigation, and Mobile Geo plus much faster POI searches Not going to CSUN – No problem! Thanks to the folks at Accessible World Tek Talk, you can join in the fun and listen into the following presentations. February 28, Thursday, 9:30 - 10:30 PM, Testing a Prototype iPhone People Finder App March 1, Friday, 2:00 - 3:00 PM, Showing the Seeing Eye GPS iPhone App Just go to: http://conference321.com/masteradmin/room.asp?id=rsc9613dc89eb2 at the scheduled session time. If you are a first-time user of the Talking Communities online conferencing software, there is a small, safe software program that you need to download and then run. Visit http://accessibleworld.org/audio-tc-faq-page for information on how to get your computer set up for the session. For more information on all of these items, go to http://www.SenderoGroup.com or call Sendero toll free at 1-888-757-6810 Don't forget to sign up for our SenderoGPS Twitter account to hear play-by-play comments as the new iPhone app is rolled out! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more
RE: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access!
Hi List, This does indeed sound very promising and I especially think one of the best news about this is that they use both Navteq and OSM maps as well as POI's from Navteq, Foursquare and OSM. This should really provide very good and up-to-date map and POI information. Maybe we can all have a few less apps on the phone since this one will most likely make some others redundant. I also would imagine that since Seeing-Eye is involved in funding the project that the price for the app maybe more reasonable than we all may think. Best regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 2:02 PM To: ViPone list Subject: Fwd: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access! I wasn't sure if this had been seen on this list: From: senderogps-bou...@freelists.org [mailto:senderogps-bou...@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Kim Casey Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 4:07 PM To: 'Kim Casey' Subject: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access! Sendero Group has been designing accessible GPS since 1994. Almost 20 years of user feedback and feature requests are behind the design of all Sendero GPS products. The accessible features in Seeing Eye GPS are only the beginning of what is yet to come as users help in evolving this first fully accessible GPS product for the iPhone. To participate in the preview, visit us at CSUN Booth 521 or reply to this email and we will send you a link for a Test Flight as soon as it is available. About Seeing Eye GPS Getting around independently is a function of good mobility tools like a guide dog or cane and good orientation tools like accessible GPS. Two pioneers in their fields, The Seeing Eye and Sendero Group have teamed up to provide a fully accessible turn-by-turn GPS iPhone app with all the normal navigation features plus features unique to blind users. * Instead of multiple layers of menus, the 3 important navigation elements are on the lower portion of every screen, Route, POIs and Location. * At intersections, the street name and your direction of travel are announced. * Intersections are described like 4-way with the clock face orientation of the streets. * There are 3 choices for POI data and 2 map sources. * Directions are configured appropriately for Pedestrian and vehicle routes including heads up when approaching a turn, the turn now indication, continue straight and where the subsequent turn is located. * When the user wanders off the route, it is automatically recalculated and updated turn information is announced. * Point your phone in a given direction to hear what is nearby with the LookAround Wand. * Nearby Points of interest and intersections are automatically announced. For more information go to http://www.senderogroup.com/products/shopseeingeyegps.htm http://www.senderogroup.com/products/shopseeingeyegps.htm New 2013 Sendero products Announcing Sendero PC GPS 2013, adds GPS functionality to Sendero PC Maps and works on Windows laptops, Tablets, and ultrabooks. New 2013 maps and POIs for Sendero GPS, Sense Navigation, and Mobile Geo plus much faster POI searches Not going to CSUN - No problem! Thanks to the folks at Accessible World Tek Talk, you can join in the fun and listen into the following presentations. February 28, Thursday, 9:30 - 10:30 PM, Testing a Prototype iPhone People Finder App March 1, Friday, 2:00 - 3:00 PM, Showing the Seeing Eye GPS iPhone App Just go to: http://conference321.com/masteradmin/room.asp?id=rsc9613dc89eb2 at the scheduled session time. If you are a first-time user of the Talking Communities online conferencing software, there is a small, safe software program that you need to download and then run. Visit http://accessibleworld.org/audio-tc-faq-page for information on how to get your computer set up for the session. For more information on all of these items, go to http://www.SenderoGroup.com http://www.SenderoGroup.com or call Sendero toll free at 1-888-757-6810 Don't forget to sign up for our SenderoGPS Twitter account to hear play-by-play comments as the new iPhone app is rolled out! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit
Re: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access!
The one thing to keep in mind once the price is announced is how much is this app worth to some of us. Remember that specific installs for the braille note and braille cents products cost more than $600. Also remember that many commercial GPS apps for the iPhone itself can cost anywhere from $25-$55. I have no idea what the price for this app will be, however I do know that once that price is announced if people don't like it there will definitely be a lot of vocalization from peoples opinions. I only say this because any time and accessibility app is announced in that price is more than five dollars, people seem to make a big deal over it. I can look through the archives and discussions of the access notetaker app, blindsquare, Fleksy, Sendero's Look Around app, and the various daisy readers Have mostly initially been met with criticism over the price. Some people will purchase the app despite the cost because they want to support the developer. Others will purchase the app because it is worth it to them. And still others might wait for the app to go on sale before they make a purchase. My purchasing history shows that depending on the app in question I could fall into any of those categories. Fleksy and blindsquare were apps which I purchased only after they went on sale. Yet voice dream reader and looktel recognizer were apps I purchased at full price. And finally, apps light digit-eyes and read2go our ones which I have not purchased and don't intend to. So my only point in writing this message is to remind everyone, including myself, that no matter what the price of a new app is, we will have to decide for ourselves if it is really worth it to us considering our personal needs and the features contained in the app. Cheers! On Feb 26, 2013, at 11:04 PM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hi List, This does indeed sound very promising and I especially think one of the best news about this is that they use both Navteq and OSM maps as well as POI’s from Navteq, Foursquare and OSM. This should really provide very good and up-to-date map and POI information. Maybe we can all have a few less apps on the phone since this one will most likely make some others redundant. I also would imagine that since Seeing-Eye is involved in funding the project that the price for the app maybe more reasonable than we all may think. Best regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 2:02 PM To: ViPone list Subject: Fwd: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access! I wasn't sure if this had been seen on this list: From: senderogps-bou...@freelists.org [mailto:senderogps-bou...@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Kim Casey Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 4:07 PM To: 'Kim Casey' Subject: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access! Sendero Group has been designing accessible GPS since 1994. Almost 20 years of user feedback and feature requests are behind the design of all Sendero GPS products. The accessible features in Seeing Eye GPS are only the beginning of what is yet to come as users help in evolving this first fully accessible GPS product for the iPhone. To participate in the preview, visit us at CSUN Booth 521 or reply to this email and we will send you a link for a Test Flight as soon as it is available. About Seeing Eye GPS Getting around independently is a function of good mobility tools like a guide dog or cane and good orientation tools like accessible GPS. Two pioneers in their fields, The Seeing Eye and Sendero Group have teamed up to provide a fully accessible turn-by-turn GPS iPhone app with all the normal navigation features plus features unique to blind users. * Instead of multiple layers of menus, the 3 important navigation elements are on the lower portion of every screen, Route, POIs and Location. * At intersections, the street name and your direction of travel are announced. * Intersections are described like 4-way with the clock face orientation of the streets. * There are 3 choices for POI data and 2 map sources. * Directions are configured appropriately for Pedestrian and vehicle routes including heads up when approaching a turn, the turn now indication, continue straight and where the subsequent turn is located. * When the user wanders off the route, it is automatically recalculated and updated turn information is announced. * Point your phone in a given direction to hear what is nearby with the LookAround Wand. * Nearby Points of interest and intersections are automatically announced. For more information go to http://www.senderogroup.com/products/shopseeingeyegps.htm New 2013 Sendero products Announcing
Re: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access!
Hello. Most likely it is in the Pacific Time zone because that is where CSUN is held. For those who don't know, this is held in California. On Feb 26, 2013, at 10:23 PM, Chuck Dean chuckd...@me.com wrote: Hi Richard, The on line conference, Showing the Seeing Eye GPS iPhone App. on , Friday,, March 1: 2:00 - 3:00 PM, It doesn't say what time zone? On Feb 26, 3:01 pm, Richard Turner richard.turne...@gmail.com wrote: I wasn't sure if this had been seen on this list: From: senderogps-bou...@freelists.org [mailto:senderogps-bou...@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Kim Casey Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 4:07 PM To: 'Kim Casey' Subject: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access! Sendero Group has been designing accessible GPS since 1994. Almost 20 years of user feedback and feature requests are behind the design of all Sendero GPS products. The accessible features in Seeing Eye GPS are only the beginning of what is yet to come as users help in evolving this first fully accessible GPS product for the iPhone. To participate in the preview, visit us at CSUN Booth 521 or reply to this email and we will send you a link for a Test Flight as soon as it is available. About Seeing Eye GPS Getting around independently is a function of good mobility tools like a guide dog or cane and good orientation tools like accessible GPS. Two pioneers in their fields, The Seeing Eye and Sendero Group have teamed up to provide a fully accessible turn-by-turn GPS iPhone app with all the normal navigation features plus features unique to blind users. * Instead of multiple layers of menus, the 3 important navigation elements are on the lower portion of every screen, Route, POIs and Location. * At intersections, the street name and your direction of travel are announced. * Intersections are described like 4-way with the clock face orientation of the streets. * There are 3 choices for POI data and 2 map sources. * Directions are configured appropriately for Pedestrian and vehicle routes including heads up when approaching a turn, the turn now indication, continue straight and where the subsequent turn is located. * When the user wanders off the route, it is automatically recalculated and updated turn information is announced. * Point your phone in a given direction to hear what is nearby with the LookAround Wand. * Nearby Points of interest and intersections are automatically announced. For more information go tohttp://www.senderogroup.com/products/shopseeingeyegps.htm New 2013 Sendero products Announcing Sendero PC GPS 2013, adds GPS functionality to Sendero PC Maps and works on Windows laptops, Tablets, and ultrabooks. New 2013 maps and POIs for Sendero GPS, Sense Navigation, and Mobile Geo plus much faster POI searches Not going to CSUN – No problem! Thanks to the folks at Accessible World Tek Talk, you can join in the fun and listen into the following presentations. February 28, Thursday, 9:30 - 10:30 PM, Testing a Prototype iPhone People Finder App March 1, Friday, 2:00 - 3:00 PM, Showing the Seeing Eye GPS iPhone App Just go to:http://conference321.com/masteradmin/room.asp?id=rsc9613dc89eb2at the scheduled session time. If you are a first-time user of the Talking Communities online conferencing software, there is a small, safe software program that you need to download and then run. Visithttp://accessibleworld.org/audio-tc-faq-pagefor information on how to get your computer set up for the session. For more information on all of these items, go tohttp://www.SenderoGroup.comor call Sendero toll free at 1-888-757-6810 Don't forget to sign up for our SenderoGPS Twitter account to hear play-by-play comments as the new iPhone app is rolled out! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group
Re: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access!
Years ago I bought the human ware Trekker which cost over twelve hundred dollars. Considering the freedom it gave me, I still think it was worth every penny. Unfortunately, so many apps are so inexpensive that when one appears with a higher prize tag, many of us get a little sticker shock. If this app proves to be as good as I hope, I will buy it no matter what the costs. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze any tie ping or spelin airors. On Feb 26, 2013, at 11:36 PM, Raul A. Gallegos r...@raulgallegos.com wrote: The one thing to keep in mind once the price is announced is how much is this app worth to some of us. Remember that specific installs for the braille note and braille cents products cost more than $600. Also remember that many commercial GPS apps for the iPhone itself can cost anywhere from $25-$55. I have no idea what the price for this app will be, however I do know that once that price is announced if people don't like it there will definitely be a lot of vocalization from peoples opinions. I only say this because any time and accessibility app is announced in that price is more than five dollars, people seem to make a big deal over it. I can look through the archives and discussions of the access notetaker app, blindsquare, Fleksy, Sendero's Look Around app, and the various daisy readers Have mostly initially been met with criticism over the price. Some people will purchase the app despite the cost because they want to support the developer. Others will purchase the app because it is worth it to them. And still others might wait for the app to go on sale before they make a purchase. My purchasing history shows that depending on the app in question I could fall into any of those categories. Fleksy and blindsquare were apps which I purchased only after they went on sale. Yet voice dream reader and looktel recognizer were apps I purchased at full price. And finally, apps light digit-eyes and read2go our ones which I have not purchased and don't intend to. So my only point in writing this message is to remind everyone, including myself, that no matter what the price of a new app is, we will have to decide for ourselves if it is really worth it to us considering our personal needs and the features contained in the app. Cheers! On Feb 26, 2013, at 11:04 PM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hi List, This does indeed sound very promising and I especially think one of the best news about this is that they use both Navteq and OSM maps as well as POI’s from Navteq, Foursquare and OSM. This should really provide very good and up-to-date map and POI information. Maybe we can all have a few less apps on the phone since this one will most likely make some others redundant. I also would imagine that since Seeing-Eye is involved in funding the project that the price for the app maybe more reasonable than we all may think. Best regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 2:02 PM To: ViPone list Subject: Fwd: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access! I wasn't sure if this had been seen on this list: From: senderogps-bou...@freelists.org [mailto:senderogps-bou...@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Kim Casey Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 4:07 PM To: 'Kim Casey' Subject: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access! Sendero Group has been designing accessible GPS since 1994. Almost 20 years of user feedback and feature requests are behind the design of all Sendero GPS products. The accessible features in Seeing Eye GPS are only the beginning of what is yet to come as users help in evolving this first fully accessible GPS product for the iPhone. To participate in the preview, visit us at CSUN Booth 521 or reply to this email and we will send you a link for a Test Flight as soon as it is available. About Seeing Eye GPS Getting around independently is a function of good mobility tools like a guide dog or cane and good orientation tools like accessible GPS. Two pioneers in their fields, The Seeing Eye and Sendero Group have teamed up to provide a fully accessible turn-by-turn GPS iPhone app with all the normal navigation features plus features unique to blind users. * Instead of multiple layers of menus, the 3 important navigation elements are on the lower portion of every screen, Route, POIs and Location. * At intersections, the street name and your direction of travel are announced. * Intersections are described like 4-way with the clock face orientation of the streets. * There are 3 choices for POI data and 2 map sources. * Directions are configured appropriately for Pedestrian and vehicle routes including heads
Re: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access!
That is Pacific time. CSUN is in San Diego, California. Later, Richard (Sent from Richard's iPod Touch 5th gen) On Feb 26, 2013, at 9:23 PM, Chuck Dean chuckd...@me.com wrote: Hi Richard, The on line conference, Showing the Seeing Eye GPS iPhone App. on , Friday,, March 1: 2:00 - 3:00 PM, It doesn't say what time zone? On Feb 26, 3:01 pm, Richard Turner richard.turne...@gmail.com wrote: I wasn't sure if this had been seen on this list: From: senderogps-bou...@freelists.org [mailto:senderogps-bou...@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Kim Casey Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 4:07 PM To: 'Kim Casey' Subject: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access! Sendero Group has been designing accessible GPS since 1994. Almost 20 years of user feedback and feature requests are behind the design of all Sendero GPS products. The accessible features in Seeing Eye GPS are only the beginning of what is yet to come as users help in evolving this first fully accessible GPS product for the iPhone. To participate in the preview, visit us at CSUN Booth 521 or reply to this email and we will send you a link for a Test Flight as soon as it is available. About Seeing Eye GPS Getting around independently is a function of good mobility tools like a guide dog or cane and good orientation tools like accessible GPS. Two pioneers in their fields, The Seeing Eye and Sendero Group have teamed up to provide a fully accessible turn-by-turn GPS iPhone app with all the normal navigation features plus features unique to blind users. * Instead of multiple layers of menus, the 3 important navigation elements are on the lower portion of every screen, Route, POIs and Location. * At intersections, the street name and your direction of travel are announced. * Intersections are described like 4-way with the clock face orientation of the streets. * There are 3 choices for POI data and 2 map sources. * Directions are configured appropriately for Pedestrian and vehicle routes including heads up when approaching a turn, the turn now indication, continue straight and where the subsequent turn is located. * When the user wanders off the route, it is automatically recalculated and updated turn information is announced. * Point your phone in a given direction to hear what is nearby with the LookAround Wand. * Nearby Points of interest and intersections are automatically announced. For more information go tohttp://www.senderogroup.com/products/shopseeingeyegps.htm New 2013 Sendero products Announcing Sendero PC GPS 2013, adds GPS functionality to Sendero PC Maps and works on Windows laptops, Tablets, and ultrabooks. New 2013 maps and POIs for Sendero GPS, Sense Navigation, and Mobile Geo plus much faster POI searches Not going to CSUN – No problem! Thanks to the folks at Accessible World Tek Talk, you can join in the fun and listen into the following presentations. February 28, Thursday, 9:30 - 10:30 PM, Testing a Prototype iPhone People Finder App March 1, Friday, 2:00 - 3:00 PM, Showing the Seeing Eye GPS iPhone App Just go to:http://conference321.com/masteradmin/room.asp?id=rsc9613dc89eb2at the scheduled session time. If you are a first-time user of the Talking Communities online conferencing software, there is a small, safe software program that you need to download and then run. Visithttp://accessibleworld.org/audio-tc-faq-pagefor information on how to get your computer set up for the session. For more information on all of these items, go tohttp://www.SenderoGroup.comor call Sendero toll free at 1-888-757-6810 Don't forget to sign up for our SenderoGPS Twitter account to hear play-by-play comments as the new iPhone app is rolled out! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at
Re: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access!
Thanks, I will tune in at that time. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze any tie ping or spelin airors. On Feb 26, 2013, at 11:37 PM, Raul A. Gallegos r...@raulgallegos.com wrote: Hello. Most likely it is in the Pacific Time zone because that is where CSUN is held. For those who don't know, this is held in California. On Feb 26, 2013, at 10:23 PM, Chuck Dean chuckd...@me.com wrote: Hi Richard, The on line conference, Showing the Seeing Eye GPS iPhone App. on , Friday,, March 1: 2:00 - 3:00 PM, It doesn't say what time zone? On Feb 26, 3:01 pm, Richard Turner richard.turne...@gmail.com wrote: I wasn't sure if this had been seen on this list: From: senderogps-bou...@freelists.org [mailto:senderogps-bou...@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Kim Casey Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 4:07 PM To: 'Kim Casey' Subject: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access! Sendero Group has been designing accessible GPS since 1994. Almost 20 years of user feedback and feature requests are behind the design of all Sendero GPS products. The accessible features in Seeing Eye GPS are only the beginning of what is yet to come as users help in evolving this first fully accessible GPS product for the iPhone. To participate in the preview, visit us at CSUN Booth 521 or reply to this email and we will send you a link for a Test Flight as soon as it is available. About Seeing Eye GPS Getting around independently is a function of good mobility tools like a guide dog or cane and good orientation tools like accessible GPS. Two pioneers in their fields, The Seeing Eye and Sendero Group have teamed up to provide a fully accessible turn-by-turn GPS iPhone app with all the normal navigation features plus features unique to blind users. * Instead of multiple layers of menus, the 3 important navigation elements are on the lower portion of every screen, Route, POIs and Location. * At intersections, the street name and your direction of travel are announced. * Intersections are described like 4-way with the clock face orientation of the streets. * There are 3 choices for POI data and 2 map sources. * Directions are configured appropriately for Pedestrian and vehicle routes including heads up when approaching a turn, the turn now indication, continue straight and where the subsequent turn is located. * When the user wanders off the route, it is automatically recalculated and updated turn information is announced. * Point your phone in a given direction to hear what is nearby with the LookAround Wand. * Nearby Points of interest and intersections are automatically announced. For more information go tohttp://www.senderogroup.com/products/shopseeingeyegps.htm New 2013 Sendero products Announcing Sendero PC GPS 2013, adds GPS functionality to Sendero PC Maps and works on Windows laptops, Tablets, and ultrabooks. New 2013 maps and POIs for Sendero GPS, Sense Navigation, and Mobile Geo plus much faster POI searches Not going to CSUN – No problem! Thanks to the folks at Accessible World Tek Talk, you can join in the fun and listen into the following presentations. February 28, Thursday, 9:30 - 10:30 PM, Testing a Prototype iPhone People Finder App March 1, Friday, 2:00 - 3:00 PM, Showing the Seeing Eye GPS iPhone App Just go to:http://conference321.com/masteradmin/room.asp?id=rsc9613dc89eb2at the scheduled session time. If you are a first-time user of the Talking Communities online conferencing software, there is a small, safe software program that you need to download and then run. Visithttp://accessibleworld.org/audio-tc-faq-pagefor information on how to get your computer set up for the session. For more information on all of these items, go tohttp://www.SenderoGroup.comor call Sendero toll free at 1-888-757-6810 Don't forget to sign up for our SenderoGPS Twitter account to hear play-by-play comments as the new iPhone app is rolled out! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit
