Re: Complexity of ACV's - Was: Roomba 980 with an app!

['RobH.' via VIPhone]

Well, the insurance companies were going to have to milk this opportunity some 
how,  and that one is quite clever, obvious even. The 
producers must be rubbing their hands with glee, ordinary drivers are going to 
be cringing at the impact of this.

Sigh!  R.
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Kevin,

You make some very good points.  However, there is one thing you mentioned that 
I feel I must counter.

After reading about the insurance position autonomously controlled vehicles I 
came away with the firm conviction that the cost of 
insuring a human operated vehicle will become prohibitively expensive - as much 
as five times higher premiums than insuring an ACV. 
I believe that this considerable economic incentive will force the public to 
embrace ACVs sooner than anybody may think.
* * * * * * * * *
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Re: Complexity of ACV's - Was: Roomba 980 with an app!

[Bill Gallik]

Kevin,

You make some very good points.  However, there is one thing you mentioned that 
I feel I must counter.

After reading about the insurance position autonomously controlled vehicles I 
came away with the firm conviction that the cost of insuring a human operated 
vehicle will become prohibitively expensive - as much as five times higher 
premiums than insuring an ACV. I believe that this considerable economic 
incentive will force the public to embrace ACVs sooner than anybody may think.
* * * * * * * * *
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Re: Roomba 980 with an app!

['Sandratomkins' via VIPhone]

Hi Kevin, 

Are you saying that the cord runs across open floor? Or, is it running 
along the floor by the wall? Also, is it a thick sort of cable, I.E., heavy 
duty or light?

Put it this way, how would you manage to hoover round it with a non robotic 
cleaner? Do you not run the risk of chewing it up or suctioning it anyway?

I think, to be honest it isn't really safe practice to have cords running 
across floors. Could you not run it around the walls? If so, what we have 
always done with electric cables that are routed around rooms, is to use those 
little cable tacks that pin them to the skirting-boards (perhaps, otherwise 
called "base-boards?"

The newest machines are equipped with anti tangle capability, so, for 
example, they used to have trouble with fringed rugs, but can, it is claimed, 
deal with them now. However, I have to say, I trimmed the fringes off my, not 
very expensive rugs, apart from the very short, 2 inch or less, fringes.

If it is truly inconvenient to have the cord rerouted, perhaps, given 
enough latitude,you could find a way of raising the cable off of the ground 
just for the time of hoovering. However, there is an answer! with the Roomba, 
all versions, or with the Neato BotVac Connected, you can cordon off areas that 
you don't want the Bot to clean. In the case of the Roomba, there are battery 
powered 'Virtual walls" which you position, they use infra-red sending out a 
beam that the Roomba will not cross. The Neato Bot includes a sort of tape 
which you put on the ground at the point where you want to isolate an area. 
perhaps this might answer?

   Sandy. 

sent from the dark side of the moon

> On 2 Jun 2016, at 13:30, Kevin Minor  wrote:
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> Hi.
> 
> I have a basic question about the Roomba, or other robotic vacumes.  How do 
> they handle cords on the floor?  I have cords hooked between my computer and 
> a mixer, and it would be somewhat difficult to move them off the ground.  I 
> hope these cleaners can work with them, because I could use this technology.
> 
> Thanks in advance for any info.
> 
> Kevin Minor, Lexington, KY
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RE: Complexity of ACV's - Was: Roomba 980 with an app!

[Kevin Minor]

Hi.

This reminds me of what people thought when the automobile first came on the 
scene.  They took some effort to keep running.  Songs were written describing 
the difficulties people had with their cars.  One of these was Get Out and Get 
Under, describing the person having to fix something on the car every so many 
miles.  Today autos are much more reliable, and we seldom think of something 
going wrong.  I see self driving cars the same way.  The technology is even 
farther along than the time that I mentioned about the horseless carriage, and 
I think it will be a few short years until we see them in use.  As for cost, 
well, I see that rapidly coming down as well.  Look at CD players.  At first, 
these devices cost $1,000, and if you got a writer, this was in the tens of 
thousands of dollars.  This was in the mid 80's.  Fast forward by ten years, 
and this cost drasticly came down.  Today you can get a CD player for $50, and 
this can be either just a player or a recorder.

Will self driving cars be around during my lifetime?  I think so, but it will 
take time for the general public to accept them.  I don't think that the blind 
will have as much trouble getting them as you may think.  I think what will 
happen is these vehicles will have nobody behind the wheel.  When this happens, 
it will be time for the blind to advocate for the use of them.  If people are 
against this, we can say that they are already in use.

Just my thoughts.

Have a blessed day, and don't work too hard.

Kevin Minor, Lexington, KY

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RE: Roomba 980 with an app!

[Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.]

Hi,

I share concerns others have expressed about robovacs and cords. Many hardware 
stores have wire covers that might make this viable, though. They're rubberized 
conduits that one places over the cords on the floor, that are tapered on 
either side and have a flattend top; it's like a ramp up a quarter or half 
insch, across the cord, and down the ramp, and they're about 2 or 3 inches 
wide. They're designed so people walking over the cords don't trip on them. You 
cut the length to slightly shorter than the length of the exposed cord you want 
to cover, and insert the cord length on the underside of the rubberized 
container. There is a longitudinal slit  along the container so the cord simply 
pushes into place. This also helps prevent the cord from coming out of the 
channel. I don't think these are very costly. I've had good luck with 
preventing walkers tripping, but havn't tried a robovac. I think they're mostly 
gray or brown, so not very attractive, but that hasn't bothered me .

Keith

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Hi.

I have a basic question about the Roomba, or other robotic vacumes.  How do 
they handle cords on the floor?  I have cords hooked between my computer and a 
mixer, and it would be somewhat difficult to move them off the ground.  I hope 
these cleaners can work with them, because I could use this technology.

Thanks in advance for any info.

Kevin Minor, Lexington, KY

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RE: Complexity of ACV's - Was: Roomba 980 with an app!

[Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.]

I heard a new report that Tesla is predicting 4 to 5 years.

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Subject: Re: Complexity of ACV's - Was: Roomba 980 with an app!

In the fall of 2011 DARPA sponsored additionally complicated tests on 
autonously controlled vehicles. The result of those exercises were the cars 
from four different groups being excepted to run from downtown San Diego to 
downtown San Francisco. The route included freeway and a country road driving 
as well as downtown street navigation.

Of course, there was a human driver behind the wheel as a failsafe just in case 
there was a problem with anyone of these for vehicles. The results of that 
exercise was that all four cars made it from downtown San Diego to downtown San 
Francisco with only one accident – that being the fault of the other car that 
was driven by a human being.

No, I cannot agree that self driving cars are that far off in the future. They 
are much closer than any of us can imagine.
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RE: Roomba 980 with an app!

[Chip Orange]

Yes, it’s not as strong a motor, but it will run every day, and it can do under 
beds etc., both things we humans aren’t likely to do, so you can end up with a 
cleaner house than when owning a traditional vacuum.

 

Chip

 

 

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Gordan Radic
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Hi!
Frankly, I don't think robotic vacuum cleaners are better than the usual ones. 
First thing you need consider when purchasing the vacuum cleaner is it's 
strength in wats. Stronger it is the cleaning process is better because it 
better sucks the dirt.
Robotic cleaners work on battery and you can't get the same strength with it as 
the machines plugged into wall outlet.
So, true, it will probably clean the floor better than a blind person hitting 
all the spots and corners but it won't do it like a nice old fashioned cleaner. 
And this is not my philosophy, this I've been told by Vorewerk representative 
while we talked about their new robotic model.

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30.5.2016. u 3:17, Brent Harding je napisao/la:

What makes these special compared to the cheaper ones before? I could see the 
utility in having a robotic vacuum because there's always those little spots 
one might miss around something, and I'd imagine it can do a better job than 
many of us. 
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Ok, my unit arrived a couple of hours ago.  Setting it up was quite easy. There 
are a couple of really good unboxing videos on You Tube that might help.  The 
app has a few places where things aren't labelled the best, but you should be 
able to figure it out.  The basic things are all accessible... 

Fired Mr. Roboto up...you can name the unit .. And he took off.  Did a pretty 
decent job ... 

My suggestion is to make sure you buy it from a place that will allow you to 
return.  With spending almost $1K, you want to make sure it does all that you 
expect. 

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On May 27, 2016, at 6:15 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone  
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> <viphone@googlegroups.com> wrote: 

Hallo There! 

   OK, so I am in the market for a new robot vacuum cleaner. The latest, from 
iRobot's Roomba range, is the 980 and it comes with an app! I want to know how 
accessible it is. I downloaded the app, and it looks OK, but, because I 
haven't, as yet, got the machine, needing to know if it will work for me with 
the app, I can't tell if it is usable with VO. 

   So, my question is: does anyone have experience of the app and running the 
980 Roomba. Now, before you all shout at me for profligacy, I know it costs an 
arm and a leg! I can only say that I have been seduced by the hype! I have long 
term experience of the Roombas and love them! This new one, not only has an app 
which should help with error analysis, but will allow me to start the thing off 
from anywhere and, it says, it will do the whole of one level of my house, 
going back to the charger for a refuel session and then continue where it left 
off. 

   Anyway, I am almost convinced, but, with such a large outlay, just need to 
know about the accessibility. 

   Can you help? 

   Sandy 

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Re: Complexity of ACV's - Was: Roomba 980 with an app!

[William Gallik]

Unfortunately, I doubt that someone who is totally blind will ever be allowed 
to independently operate even and autonomously controlled vehicle. One of the 
main fights I had opposing this concept was that insurance companies would 
never go for it; well, upon further reading I discovered that The insurance 
industry is actually backing this to the hilt. Their reasoning, a 
computer-controlled vehicle will be less likely to get an accident then one 
controlled by human being.



- Sent from Bill's iPhone 6 (iOS 9.3.2)

> On Jun 2, 2016, at 10:41 AM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
> 
> Hi Bill,
> 
> If you are still around on this list let's talk in 20 years and see if you 
> own a self-driving car at that point and are able to independently travel 
> around. Actually, I'll just give you my address and you can take me to my 
> favourite pub, beer is on me unless drinking and self-driving are a No No 
> even then. *grin*
> 
> Regards,
> Sieghard
> 
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> 
> In the fall of 2011 DARPA sponsored additionally complicated tests on 
> autonously controlled vehicles. The result of those exercises were the cars 
> from four different groups being excepted to run from downtown San Diego to 
> downtown San Francisco. The route included freeway and a country road driving 
> as well as downtown street navigation.
> 
> Of course, there was a human driver behind the wheel as a failsafe just in 
> case there was a problem with anyone of these for vehicles. The results of 
> that exercise was that all four cars made it from downtown San Diego to 
> downtown San Francisco with only one accident – that being the fault of the 
> other car that was driven by a human being.
> 
> No, I cannot agree that self driving cars are that far off in the future. 
> They are much closer than any of us can imagine.
> – Bill and leader dog Holland
> 
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RE: Complexity of ACV's - Was: Roomba 980 with an app!

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Bill,

If you are still around on this list let's talk in 20 years and see if you own 
a self-driving car at that point and are able to independently travel around. 
Actually, I'll just give you my address and you can take me to my favourite 
pub, beer is on me unless drinking and self-driving are a No No even then. 
*grin*

Regards,
Sieghard

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Subject: Re: Complexity of ACV's - Was: Roomba 980 with an app!

In the fall of 2011 DARPA sponsored additionally complicated tests on 
autonously controlled vehicles. The result of those exercises were the cars 
from four different groups being excepted to run from downtown San Diego to 
downtown San Francisco. The route included freeway and a country road driving 
as well as downtown street navigation.

Of course, there was a human driver behind the wheel as a failsafe just in case 
there was a problem with anyone of these for vehicles. The results of that 
exercise was that all four cars made it from downtown San Diego to downtown San 
Francisco with only one accident – that being the fault of the other car that 
was driven by a human being.

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are much closer than any of us can imagine.
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Re: Complexity of ACV's - Was: Roomba 980 with an app!

[William Gallik]

In the fall of 2011 DARPA sponsored additionally complicated tests on 
autonously controlled vehicles. The result of those exercises were the cars 
from four different groups being excepted to run from downtown San Diego to 
downtown San Francisco. The route included freeway and a country road driving 
as well as downtown street navigation.

Of course, there was a human driver behind the wheel as a failsafe just in case 
there was a problem with anyone of these for vehicles. The results of that 
exercise was that all four cars made it from downtown San Diego to downtown San 
Francisco with only one accident – that being the fault of the other car that 
was driven by a human being.

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are much closer than any of us can imagine.
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RE: Roomba 980 with an app!

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I don't think you would want any sort of vacuum going over  cord, I guess if 
the cord was thick and stiff enough it would be OK, but a thinner, softer cord 
would probably get sucked in. I personally hate cords and cables to be lying 
around or even to be visible and do all I can to hide them. I used to have wall 
to wall carpet in a room downstairs where my high-end stereo system is set up. 
The speakers are free-standing in the middle of the room and I used high-end 
Kimber flat cables which were installed under the carpet. Last year I ripped 
out the carpet and put cork flooring into that room and I actually went through 
the considerable trouble to rent a concrete saw and jack hammer to cut through 
the slab and jack hammer out the concrete about 4 inches wide from where my 
equipment is sitting to where the speakers are standing. I then put a 2-inch 
conduit pipe into that channel and filled it again with ready-mix concrete and 
then I was able to fish my speaker cables through the conduit so they come out 
right underneath the speakers.

Regards,
Sieghard

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Rizzino, Bonnie
Sent: Thursday, June 2, 2016 5:38 AM
To: 'viphone@googlegroups.com' <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Roomba 980 with an app!

You don't want robot vacuums running over cords.  Not a good move!

-Original Message-
From: Kevin Minor [mailto:kmino...@outlook.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2016 8:30 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Roomba 980 with an app!

Hi.

I have a basic question about the Roomba, or other robotic vacumes.  How do 
they handle cords on the floor?  I have cords hooked between my computer and a 
mixer, and it would be somewhat difficult to move them off the ground.  I hope 
these cleaners can work with them, because I could use this technology.

Thanks in advance for any info.

Kevin Minor, Lexington, KY

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RE: Complexity of ACV's - Was: Roomba 980 with an app!

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I am now 49 and while they are really pushing this self-driving car technology, 
I am still skeptical whether I will own one in my lifetime. At this point these 
cars can drive themselves in many situations, but for the foreseeable future 
there will still be  a qualified driver required in the car who can take over 
in emergency situations.


Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: 'RobH.' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Thursday, June 2, 2016 12:40 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Complexity of ACV's - Was: Roomba 980 with an app!

Ok, this is encouraging; I know there were at least 3 heavy duty computers to 
fly the shuttle,  but that was in an empty sky.  Begs the question how the 
vehicles are going to be affordable,  but that is too far OT of course.
- Original Message -
From: "Bill Gallik" <wfgal...@icloud.com>
To: "viPhone E-Mail List" <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2016 4:10 AM
Subject: Complexity of ACV's - Was: Roomba 980 with an app!


>From the articles I’ve read on Autonomously Controlled Vehicles (ACVs) the 
>technology literally driving such vehicles is far, far more complex than that 
>on board a household vacuum cleaner. I had been reading several articles on 
>DARPA’s specs for the ACVs and seems to me there was a minimum of nine 
>separate computer systems on board these; a system for various aspects of 
>navigation, transport control and accident avoidance.  If these Roombas or any 
>similar vacuum cleaner deployed such complicated technology I seriously doubt 
>any of us on this list would be able to buy one!
* * * * * * * * *
Bill Gallik
wfgal...@icloud.com


> On Jun 1, 2016, at 4:12 AM, 'RobH.' via VIPhone <viphone@googlegroups.com> 
> wrote:
>
> Hahahahahahaha, and this is the technology they want to fit in the current 
> rash of robot cars!
>
> But I hope those have an accessible app, too.
>
> Wonder if they could test some of this technology on those little electric 
> scooters that are getting all the rage.
>
> BobH.
> - Original Message -
> From: <englishride...@gmail.com>
> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 12:06 AM
> Subject: Re: Roomba 980 with an app!
>
>
> Getting rid of carpets also helps to call about allergies, as well as chronic 
> dry eye syndrome, which I have quite badly.
> My husband and I currently own a Bob Sweep robot vacuum, and it needs 
> quite a bit of babying. What I mean is that it often gets stuck in 
> areas, such as underneath the edges of cupboards, under our couch, or 
> it bumps up against something, and thinks that there's something stuck 
> between it's bumper thing on the front and the back you, which can 
> cause problems. Also, it gets a lot of hair stuck in the brush, and 
> when that happens, it freaks out. Needless to say, we are not super 
> impressed. Oh, sure, it cleans rather well, but I couldn't just go out for a 
> few hours and have it vacuum and be confident that it wouldn't get stuck 
> somewhere along the process. And this happens more than once per cleaning. 
> This is also supposed to be the pet version, which is supposed to be better 
> at handling dog hair and things than the original.
>
>
> Thanks,
> Ari
>
>> On May 31, 2016, at 7:26 AM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
>>
>> And while this may not be exactly on topic for the list, it does fit 
>> in with the discussion about vacuums: get rid of all carpets in 
>> favour of hardwood, tile, cork or bamboo and live a cleaner life. 
>> After I replaced the carpet in my bedrooms with cork I never looked 
>> back and it is ever so much easier to clean. I can guaranty that 
>> Bill’s vacuum trick won’t pick up a speck of dirt after I have 
>> vacuumed my cork floor and especially when you have a dog carpets are 
>> horrible and wall to wall carpets in particular. It was amazing how much 
>> dirt was under my wall to wall carpet when I finally ripped it out after 12 
>> or so years even though I vacuumed regularly and had it steam cleaned once a 
>> year or so.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Sieghard
>>
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Bill Gallik
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 7:09 AM
>> To: viPhone E-Mail List <viphone@googlegroups.com>; Peter Logan 
>> <pdlloga...@gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: Roomba 980 with an app!
>>
>> Please permit me to explain something quite basic to the concept of 
>> vacuum cleaners; I learned from first-hand observation when I had reasonably 
>> good vision.
>>
>> No matter how good any commercially available vacuum cl

RE: Roomba 980 with an app!

[Rizzino, Bonnie]

You don't want robot vacuums running over cords.  Not a good move!

-Original Message-
From: Kevin Minor [mailto:kmino...@outlook.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2016 8:30 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Roomba 980 with an app!

Hi.

I have a basic question about the Roomba, or other robotic vacumes.  How do 
they handle cords on the floor?  I have cords hooked between my computer and a 
mixer, and it would be somewhat difficult to move them off the ground.  I hope 
these cleaners can work with them, because I could use this technology.

Thanks in advance for any info.

Kevin Minor, Lexington, KY

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RE: Roomba 980 with an app!

[Kevin Minor]

Hi.

I have a basic question about the Roomba, or other robotic vacumes.  How do 
they handle cords on the floor?  I have cords hooked between my computer and a 
mixer, and it would be somewhat difficult to move them off the ground.  I hope 
these cleaners can work with them, because I could use this technology.

Thanks in advance for any info.

Kevin Minor, Lexington, KY

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Re: Complexity of ACV's - Was: Roomba 980 with an app!

['RobH.' via VIPhone]

Ok, this is encouraging; I know there were at least 3 heavy duty computers to 
fly the shuttle,  but that was in an empty sky.  Begs 
the question how the vehicles are going to be affordable,  but that is too far 
OT of course.
- Original Message - 
From: "Bill Gallik" <wfgal...@icloud.com>
To: "viPhone E-Mail List" <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2016 4:10 AM
Subject: Complexity of ACV's - Was: Roomba 980 with an app!


>From the articles I’ve read on Autonomously Controlled Vehicles (ACVs) the 
>technology literally driving such vehicles is far, far 
more complex than that on board a household vacuum cleaner. I had been reading 
several articles on DARPA’s specs for the ACVs and 
seems to me there was a minimum of nine separate computer systems on board 
these; a system for various aspects of navigation, 
transport control and accident avoidance.  If these Roombas or any similar 
vacuum cleaner deployed such complicated technology I 
seriously doubt any of us on this list would be able to buy one!
* * * * * * * * *
Bill Gallik
wfgal...@icloud.com


> On Jun 1, 2016, at 4:12 AM, 'RobH.' via VIPhone <viphone@googlegroups.com> 
> wrote:
>
> Hahahahahahaha, and this is the technology they want to fit in the current 
> rash of robot cars!
>
> But I hope those have an accessible app, too.
>
> Wonder if they could test some of this technology on those little electric 
> scooters that are getting all the rage.
>
> BobH.
> - Original Message - 
> From: <englishride...@gmail.com>
> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 12:06 AM
> Subject: Re: Roomba 980 with an app!
>
>
> Getting rid of carpets also helps to call about allergies, as well as chronic 
> dry eye syndrome, which I have quite badly.
> My husband and I currently own a Bob Sweep robot vacuum, and it needs quite a 
> bit of babying. What I mean is that it often gets
> stuck in areas, such as underneath the edges of cupboards, under our couch, 
> or it bumps up against something, and thinks that
> there's something stuck between it's bumper thing on the front and the back 
> you, which can cause problems. Also, it gets a lot of
> hair stuck in the brush, and when that happens, it freaks out. Needless to 
> say, we are not super impressed. Oh, sure, it cleans
> rather well, but I couldn't just go out for a few hours and have it vacuum 
> and be confident that it wouldn't get stuck somewhere
> along the process. And this happens more than once per cleaning. This is also 
> supposed to be the pet version, which is supposed to
> be better at handling dog hair and things than the original.
>
>
> Thanks,
> Ari
>
>> On May 31, 2016, at 7:26 AM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
>>
>> And while this may not be exactly on topic for the list, it does fit in with 
>> the discussion about vacuums: get rid of all carpets
>> in favour of hardwood, tile, cork or bamboo and live a cleaner life. After I 
>> replaced the carpet in my bedrooms with cork I never
>> looked back and it is ever so much easier to clean. I can guaranty that 
>> Bill’s vacuum trick won’t pick up a speck of dirt after I
>> have vacuumed my cork floor and especially when you have a dog carpets are 
>> horrible and wall to wall carpets in particular. It 
>> was
>> amazing how much dirt was under my wall to wall carpet when I finally ripped 
>> it out after 12 or so years even though I vacuumed
>> regularly and had it steam cleaned once a year or so.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Sieghard
>>
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Bill Gallik
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 7:09 AM
>> To: viPhone E-Mail List <viphone@googlegroups.com>; Peter Logan 
>> <pdlloga...@gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: Roomba 980 with an app!
>>
>> Please permit me to explain something quite basic to the concept of vacuum 
>> cleaners; I learned from first-hand observation when I
>> had reasonably good vision.
>>
>> No matter how good any commercially available vacuum cleaner may be, there 
>> will always be some residual dirt left behind.  While
>> my late wife and I lived in Wheaton, IL. we decided to buy an Electrolux.  
>> We called the company and they sent out a very
>> delightfully dapper gentleman for a demonstration.  The then current vacuum 
>> cleaner we had a terrible job and we were ready for a
>> definite upgrade (I’ll not mention the brand name of that vacuum cleaner).
>>
>> The dapper sales rep showed up and proceed to do the demo where he ran our 
>> sorry vacuum over about a five square area of 

Complexity of ACV's - Was: Roomba 980 with an app!

[Bill Gallik]

>From the articles I’ve read on Autonomously Controlled Vehicles (ACVs) the 
>technology literally driving such vehicles is far, far more complex than that 
>on board a household vacuum cleaner. I had been reading several articles on 
>DARPA’s specs for the ACVs and seems to me there was a minimum of nine 
>separate computer systems on board these; a system for various aspects of 
>navigation, transport control and accident avoidance.  If these Roombas or any 
>similar vacuum cleaner deployed such complicated technology I seriously doubt 
>any of us on this list would be able to buy one!
* * * * * * * * *
Bill Gallik
wfgal...@icloud.com


> On Jun 1, 2016, at 4:12 AM, 'RobH.' via VIPhone <viphone@googlegroups.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hahahahahahaha, and this is the technology they want to fit in the current 
> rash of robot cars!
> 
> But I hope those have an accessible app, too.
> 
> Wonder if they could test some of this technology on those little electric 
> scooters that are getting all the rage.
> 
> BobH.
> - Original Message - 
> From: <englishride...@gmail.com>
> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 12:06 AM
> Subject: Re: Roomba 980 with an app!
> 
> 
> Getting rid of carpets also helps to call about allergies, as well as chronic 
> dry eye syndrome, which I have quite badly.
> My husband and I currently own a Bob Sweep robot vacuum, and it needs quite a 
> bit of babying. What I mean is that it often gets 
> stuck in areas, such as underneath the edges of cupboards, under our couch, 
> or it bumps up against something, and thinks that 
> there's something stuck between it's bumper thing on the front and the back 
> you, which can cause problems. Also, it gets a lot of 
> hair stuck in the brush, and when that happens, it freaks out. Needless to 
> say, we are not super impressed. Oh, sure, it cleans 
> rather well, but I couldn't just go out for a few hours and have it vacuum 
> and be confident that it wouldn't get stuck somewhere 
> along the process. And this happens more than once per cleaning. This is also 
> supposed to be the pet version, which is supposed to 
> be better at handling dog hair and things than the original.
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> Ari
> 
>> On May 31, 2016, at 7:26 AM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
>> 
>> And while this may not be exactly on topic for the list, it does fit in with 
>> the discussion about vacuums: get rid of all carpets 
>> in favour of hardwood, tile, cork or bamboo and live a cleaner life. After I 
>> replaced the carpet in my bedrooms with cork I never 
>> looked back and it is ever so much easier to clean. I can guaranty that 
>> Bill’s vacuum trick won’t pick up a speck of dirt after I 
>> have vacuumed my cork floor and especially when you have a dog carpets are 
>> horrible and wall to wall carpets in particular. It was 
>> amazing how much dirt was under my wall to wall carpet when I finally ripped 
>> it out after 12 or so years even though I vacuumed 
>> regularly and had it steam cleaned once a year or so.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Sieghard
>> 
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Bill Gallik
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 7:09 AM
>> To: viPhone E-Mail List <viphone@googlegroups.com>; Peter Logan 
>> <pdlloga...@gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: Roomba 980 with an app!
>> 
>> Please permit me to explain something quite basic to the concept of vacuum 
>> cleaners; I learned from first-hand observation when I 
>> had reasonably good vision.
>> 
>> No matter how good any commercially available vacuum cleaner may be, there 
>> will always be some residual dirt left behind.  While 
>> my late wife and I lived in Wheaton, IL. we decided to buy an Electrolux.  
>> We called the company and they sent out a very 
>> delightfully dapper gentleman for a demonstration.  The then current vacuum 
>> cleaner we had a terrible job and we were ready for a 
>> definite upgrade (I’ll not mention the brand name of that vacuum cleaner).
>> 
>> The dapper sales rep showed up and proceed to do the demo where he ran our 
>> sorry vacuum over about a five square area of our 
>> living room carpet.  He then took his demo Electrolux, placed a handkerchief 
>> in the nozzle such as to serve as a filter and then 
>> proceded to vacuum over the same area previously done.  After completing 
>> this exercise, he showed all the dirt caught in the 
>> handkerchief with all the “left behind” dirt.
>> 
>> I then did the same thing (with a handkerchief) with ou

Re: Roomba 980 with an app!

['RobH.' via VIPhone]

Hahahahahahaha, and this is the technology they want to fit in the current rash 
of robot cars!

But I hope those have an accessible app, too.

Wonder if they could test some of this technology on those little electric 
scooters that are getting all the rage.

BobH.
- Original Message - 
From: <englishride...@gmail.com>
To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 12:06 AM
Subject: Re: Roomba 980 with an app!


Getting rid of carpets also helps to call about allergies, as well as chronic 
dry eye syndrome, which I have quite badly.
My husband and I currently own a Bob Sweep robot vacuum, and it needs quite a 
bit of babying. What I mean is that it often gets 
stuck in areas, such as underneath the edges of cupboards, under our couch, or 
it bumps up against something, and thinks that 
there's something stuck between it's bumper thing on the front and the back 
you, which can cause problems. Also, it gets a lot of 
hair stuck in the brush, and when that happens, it freaks out. Needless to say, 
we are not super impressed. Oh, sure, it cleans 
rather well, but I couldn't just go out for a few hours and have it vacuum and 
be confident that it wouldn't get stuck somewhere 
along the process. And this happens more than once per cleaning. This is also 
supposed to be the pet version, which is supposed to 
be better at handling dog hair and things than the original.


Thanks,
Ari

> On May 31, 2016, at 7:26 AM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
>
> And while this may not be exactly on topic for the list, it does fit in with 
> the discussion about vacuums: get rid of all carpets 
> in favour of hardwood, tile, cork or bamboo and live a cleaner life. After I 
> replaced the carpet in my bedrooms with cork I never 
> looked back and it is ever so much easier to clean. I can guaranty that 
> Bill’s vacuum trick won’t pick up a speck of dirt after I 
> have vacuumed my cork floor and especially when you have a dog carpets are 
> horrible and wall to wall carpets in particular. It was 
> amazing how much dirt was under my wall to wall carpet when I finally ripped 
> it out after 12 or so years even though I vacuumed 
> regularly and had it steam cleaned once a year or so.
>
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Bill Gallik
> Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 7:09 AM
> To: viPhone E-Mail List <viphone@googlegroups.com>; Peter Logan 
> <pdlloga...@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Roomba 980 with an app!
>
> Please permit me to explain something quite basic to the concept of vacuum 
> cleaners; I learned from first-hand observation when I 
> had reasonably good vision.
>
> No matter how good any commercially available vacuum cleaner may be, there 
> will always be some residual dirt left behind.  While 
> my late wife and I lived in Wheaton, IL. we decided to buy an Electrolux.  We 
> called the company and they sent out a very 
> delightfully dapper gentleman for a demonstration.  The then current vacuum 
> cleaner we had a terrible job and we were ready for a 
> definite upgrade (I’ll not mention the brand name of that vacuum cleaner).
>
> The dapper sales rep showed up and proceed to do the demo where he ran our 
> sorry vacuum over about a five square area of our 
> living room carpet.  He then took his demo Electrolux, placed a handkerchief 
> in the nozzle such as to serve as a filter and then 
> proceded to vacuum over the same area previously done.  After completing this 
> exercise, he showed all the dirt caught in the 
> handkerchief with all the “left behind” dirt.
>
> I then did the same thing (with a handkerchief) with our vacuum cleaner and 
> once again cleaned over the “demonstration area.”  I 
> then showed him the dirt left behind by the Electrolux.
>
> That “demo trick” is something I had read about in a magazine with the 
> supposition that any vacuum cleaner will not be able to get 
> every spec of dirt.  We bought the Electrolux from this dapper sales rep 
> anyway because it was a markedly better appliance than 
> the one we had at that time.
>
> The point is this, maybe the Rhumba won’t get every bit of dirt - but then, 
> no commercially available cleaner will!
>
> 
> Bill & Leader Dog Holland
>
> wfgal...@icloud.com
>
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Re: Roomba 980 with an app!

[englishrider91]

Getting rid of carpets also helps to call about allergies, as well as chronic 
dry eye syndrome, which I have quite badly.
My husband and I currently own a Bob Sweep robot vacuum, and it needs quite a 
bit of babying. What I mean is that it often gets stuck in areas, such as 
underneath the edges of cupboards, under our couch, or it bumps up against 
something, and thinks that there's something stuck between it's bumper thing on 
the front and the back you, which can cause problems. Also, it gets a lot of 
hair stuck in the brush, and when that happens, it freaks out. Needless to say, 
we are not super impressed. Oh, sure, it cleans rather well, but I couldn't 
just go out for a few hours and have it vacuum and be confident that it 
wouldn't get stuck somewhere along the process. And this happens more than once 
per cleaning. This is also supposed to be the pet version, which is supposed to 
be better at handling dog hair and things than the original.


Thanks,
Ari

> On May 31, 2016, at 7:26 AM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
> 
> And while this may not be exactly on topic for the list, it does fit in with 
> the discussion about vacuums: get rid of all carpets in favour of hardwood, 
> tile, cork or bamboo and live a cleaner life. After I replaced the carpet in 
> my bedrooms with cork I never looked back and it is ever so much easier to 
> clean. I can guaranty that Bill’s vacuum trick won’t pick up a speck of dirt 
> after I have vacuumed my cork floor and especially when you have a dog 
> carpets are horrible and wall to wall carpets in particular. It was amazing 
> how much dirt was under my wall to wall carpet when I finally ripped it out 
> after 12 or so years even though I vacuumed regularly and had it steam 
> cleaned once a year or so.
>  
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Bill Gallik
> Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 7:09 AM
> To: viPhone E-Mail List <viphone@googlegroups.com>; Peter Logan 
> <pdlloga...@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Roomba 980 with an app!
>  
> Please permit me to explain something quite basic to the concept of vacuum 
> cleaners; I learned from first-hand observation when I had reasonably good 
> vision.
>  
> No matter how good any commercially available vacuum cleaner may be, there 
> will always be some residual dirt left behind.  While my late wife and I 
> lived in Wheaton, IL. we decided to buy an Electrolux.  We called the company 
> and they sent out a very delightfully dapper gentleman for a demonstration.  
> The then current vacuum cleaner we had a terrible job and we were ready for a 
> definite upgrade (I’ll not mention the brand name of that vacuum cleaner).
>  
> The dapper sales rep showed up and proceed to do the demo where he ran our 
> sorry vacuum over about a five square area of our living room carpet.  He 
> then took his demo Electrolux, placed a handkerchief in the nozzle such as to 
> serve as a filter and then proceded to vacuum over the same area previously 
> done.  After completing this exercise, he showed all the dirt caught in the 
> handkerchief with all the “left behind” dirt.
>  
> I then did the same thing (with a handkerchief) with our vacuum cleaner and 
> once again cleaned over the “demonstration area.”  I then showed him the dirt 
> left behind by the Electrolux.
>  
> That “demo trick” is something I had read about in a magazine with the 
> supposition that any vacuum cleaner will not be able to get every spec of 
> dirt.  We bought the Electrolux from this dapper sales rep anyway because it 
> was a markedly better appliance than the one we had at that time.
>  
> The point is this, maybe the Rhumba won’t get every bit of dirt - but then, 
> no commercially available cleaner will!
> 
> 
> Bill & Leader Dog Holland
>  
> wfgal...@icloud.com
>  
>  
> 
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RE: Roomba 980 with an app!

[Sieghard Weitzel]

And while this may not be exactly on topic for the list, it does fit in with 
the discussion about vacuums: get rid of all carpets in favour of hardwood, 
tile, cork or bamboo and live a cleaner life. After I replaced the carpet in my 
bedrooms with cork I never looked back and it is ever so much easier to clean. 
I can guaranty that Bill’s vacuum trick won’t pick up a speck of dirt after I 
have vacuumed my cork floor and especially when you have a dog carpets are 
horrible and wall to wall carpets in particular. It was amazing how much dirt 
was under my wall to wall carpet when I finally ripped it out after 12 or so 
years even though I vacuumed regularly and had it steam cleaned once a year or 
so.

Regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Bill Gallik
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 7:09 AM
To: viPhone E-Mail List <viphone@googlegroups.com>; Peter Logan 
<pdlloga...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Roomba 980 with an app!

Please permit me to explain something quite basic to the concept of vacuum 
cleaners; I learned from first-hand observation when I had reasonably good 
vision.

No matter how good any commercially available vacuum cleaner may be, there will 
always be some residual dirt left behind.  While my late wife and I lived in 
Wheaton, IL. we decided to buy an Electrolux.  We called the company and they 
sent out a very delightfully dapper gentleman for a demonstration.  The then 
current vacuum cleaner we had a terrible job and we were ready for a definite 
upgrade (I’ll not mention the brand name of that vacuum cleaner).

The dapper sales rep showed up and proceed to do the demo where he ran our 
sorry vacuum over about a five square area of our living room carpet.  He then 
took his demo Electrolux, placed a handkerchief in the nozzle such as to serve 
as a filter and then proceded to vacuum over the same area previously done.  
After completing this exercise, he showed all the dirt caught in the 
handkerchief with all the “left behind” dirt.

I then did the same thing (with a handkerchief) with our vacuum cleaner and 
once again cleaned over the “demonstration area.”  I then showed him the dirt 
left behind by the Electrolux.

That “demo trick” is something I had read about in a magazine with the 
supposition that any vacuum cleaner will not be able to get every spec of dirt. 
 We bought the Electrolux from this dapper sales rep anyway because it was a 
markedly better appliance than the one we had at that time.

The point is this, maybe the Rhumba won’t get every bit of dirt - but then, no 
commercially available cleaner will!


Bill & Leader Dog Holland

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Re: Roomba 980 with an app!

[Bill Gallik]

Please permit me to explain something quite basic to the concept of vacuum 
cleaners; I learned from first-hand observation when I had reasonably good 
vision.

No matter how good any commercially available vacuum cleaner may be, there will 
always be some residual dirt left behind.  While my late wife and I lived in 
Wheaton, IL. we decided to buy an Electrolux.  We called the company and they 
sent out a very delightfully dapper gentleman for a demonstration.  The then 
current vacuum cleaner we had a terrible job and we were ready for a definite 
upgrade (I’ll not mention the brand name of that vacuum cleaner).

The dapper sales rep showed up and proceed to do the demo where he ran our 
sorry vacuum over about a five square area of our living room carpet.  He then 
took his demo Electrolux, placed a handkerchief in the nozzle such as to serve 
as a filter and then proceded to vacuum over the same area previously done.  
After completing this exercise, he showed all the dirt caught in the 
handkerchief with all the “left behind” dirt.

I then did the same thing (with a handkerchief) with our vacuum cleaner and 
once again cleaned over the “demonstration area.”  I then showed him the dirt 
left behind by the Electrolux.

That “demo trick” is something I had read about in a magazine with the 
supposition that any vacuum cleaner will not be able to get every spec of dirt. 
 We bought the Electrolux from this dapper sales rep anyway because it was a 
markedly better appliance than the one we had at that time.

The point is this, maybe the Rhumba won’t get every bit of dirt - but then, no 
commercially available cleaner will!


Bill & Leader Dog Holland

wfgal...@icloud.com




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RE: [Bulk] Re: Roomba 980 with an app!

[Jeremy Gilley]

I also would like to know.

 

  _  

From: 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Monday, May 30, 2016 9:08 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: [Bulk] Re: Roomba 980 with an app!

 

Hey you too!
If you decide to have a private conversation on this, would you cc me into
it please? I don't see at all, either, and so would need to know if I could
actually use the neato. Plus, with the new connected version, that's it
would be doable from the app itself!

 

Thanks, Sandy

Sent from my iPhone


On 30 May 2016, at 13:36, Don Breda <don.br...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Lois.

I have had both a roomba and a neato.   The neato was a much more powerful
andeffective vacuum but was almost impossible to operate reliably if you
couldn't see the display.

I spoke with them about this and offered to beta test when they get around
to working on accessibility.

They took my info but never conteacted me.

Which one did you get and how do you use it?

Please feel free to write me privately.

don.br...@gmail.com

Thanks in advance.

Don




On 30-May-16 5:27 AM, Lois Butterfield wrote:

Hi Sandy,

 

I have the Neato, and I didn't know there was one that would work with an
app.  

 

I found that the Roomba gears got clogged with my cats fur.  She is very
fluffy.  The Neato doesn't have that problem.

 

I'm off to investigate.  Thanks for the tip.

 

Take care,

Lois

 

 

From: 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  

Sent: Monday, May 30, 2016 5:07 AM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Subject: Re: Roomba 980 with an app!

 

Hi Gordon and all who have been talking/asking about these useful toys,

 

Gordon, when you say that the battery powered hoovers are not as
powerful as the corded ones, you are, of course right, but there is a
caveat: because you have the pleasure of not having to actually do the
hoovering yourself, you tend to do it more often and, in this way, the
overall effect is superior!!! I have a house with tiled, wooden, and
carpeted floors. The Roombas that I have had since about 2003, have all done
sterling work! We have always had dogs, even so, my floors have been the
envy of my friends! Don't I sound sad? Seriously, I have left the house
with a friend, off to enjoy ourselves about town, and she has said to me
"What is that sound? Have you left something on?" 'Tis my little friend, the
robot vacuum cleaner, he is doing the floors while I am out." I cannot
describe the astonished jealousy! For, not only the blind find hoovering a
bit of a chore, most people do too, especially living here, in rural
Ireland, where every muddy boot/paw bears testimony to the great outdoors! 

 

I can only say that if your only arguement against these robots is that
of power and therefor efficiency, my house disproves it! 

 

As for loudness, someone asked about: it is quieter on some  surfaces
than others, but, in general, I would say it is much much less noisy than
our Milfisk (if that is how you spell it) We do have ordinary vacs as well,
but when the Roomba is working, they don't get used, except for stairs and
ceiling corners. 

 

If you have children, who might be messy, leaving toys etc around the
floor, I would think twice about purchasing one of these as these objects
will slow up the efficiency of the robot, but this applies to using a normal
vac anyway, especially, when one doesn't see them and sucks them up.

 

For anyone interested, and, keeping this on topic, there are, as far as
I know, 2 main competitors for the "best" slot, both of which can work with
apps. The Roomba 980 (very expensive) and the Neatorobot VacBot connected (a
couple of hundred cheaper) I am going to investigate both while trying to
resuscitate my old one!

 

Sandy. 

sent from the dark side of the moon


On 30 May 2016, at 07:55, Gordan Radić < <mailto:razbij...@gmail.com>
razbij...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi!
Frankly, I don't think robotic vacuum cleaners are better than the usual
ones. First thing you need consider when purchasing the vacuum cleaner is
it's strength in wats. Stronger it is the cleaning process is better because
it better sucks the dirt.
Robotic cleaners work on battery and you can't get the same strength with it
as the machines plugged into wall outlet.
So, true, it will probably clean the floor better than a blind person
hitting all the spots and corners but it won't do it like a nice old
fashioned cleaner. And this is not my philosophy, this I've been told by
Vorewerk representative while we talked about their new robotic model.

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30.5.2016. u 3:17, Brent Harding je napisao/la:

What makes these special compared to the cheaper ones before? I could see
t

RE: Roomba 980 with an app!

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I can see how they might have their uses, but I think for the time being I will 
stick to my central vac system which I find is quite convenient. Something like 
that latest Roomba model here in Canada is around $1,200 and I definitely have 
other projects for which I can use this much money. When I had my central vac 
system installed a few years ago it came to I think around $900 ($700 for the 
machine itself and around $200 for installation). This system is extremely 
strong, the vacuum itself is downstairs in my utility room so you can not even 
hear it, it works for months without me emptying the can/cleaning the filters 
and when I want to vacuum I just grab the hose, connect it to the in-wall 
outlet and press the switch on the floor sweeper. I am also planning to install 
a baseboard port in the kitchen which allows me to do a quick sweep with a 
regular broom, pile up the dirt in front of the port, then as soon as I open it 
the vacuum comes on and I just give the dirt a final sweep to push it under the 
port and it all gets sucked up.

Regards,
Sieghard

From: 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]
Sent: Monday, May 30, 2016 9:28 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Roomba 980 with an app!

Sieghard,

I can see you are wavering here!? Just to explain a little more: Re falling 
downstairs, I cannot speak for the Neato vacs, as I haven't seen one, but all 
of the Roombas have been equipped with a drop off sensor. I would like one on 
the toe of my shoes!! I have, just about never had a Roomba hurl itself 
downstairs. Usually, when they approach a drop off, they just swerve away. 
Sometimes, if they get distracted by something (who knows what goes on in the 
head of a vacuum cleaner?) they go too close to the drop and perch, 
precariously, with one wheel off, bleeting, sulkily, to the world in general, 
looking for a helping hand. Remember, I am speaking of older models, even my 
latest one is about 6 years old. I imagine they are even more relyable 
nowadays. Roombas talk! Unfortunately, mine is stuck in Bulgarian! This was my 
own fault, but it did lead to a sudden and dramatic growth in my linguistic 
skills.

As I said, we do retain corded vacs as well. I think it fair to say that if 
you are very fussy, and I did use to be, you might want to give the house a go 
over, every 1/3 months. And yoou can't do stairs with the robots.

Because I have both been researching the latest Roomba/Neato with a view to 
purchasing and, at the same time, looking for maintenance tips for my old one, 
I see, from the various fora that people do buy and try, taking advantage of 
the "cooling off" return option. I don't know anything about that though.When I 
got my last Guide Dog, here in Ireland, I was so smitten with my first Roomba, 
which I had had for a few years, that I persuaded the Guide Dog Centre to 
approach IRobot, who make the Roomba for a freeby, with fthe idea that students 
might have the chance to watch it in action, and I know that some bought them 
on the strenth of that introduction.

For anyone considering looking further into these Bots, I can only say it 
is worth a deal of research. They have different strenths and the latest and 
greatest is not always the best.Lastly, comparing a robot vac with a generic 
corded one is a bit specious. They do the work for you! They may miss bits 
sometimes, but not as much as I do when manually vacuuming. They can do it when 
you are out! The are usable by people with other issues of a more physical 
nature. In theory, someone who is bed-ridden could keep their independence re 
the state of their floors. And, isn't this the beginning of the robot era!

Well, these are my thoughts,

Happy pondering! Sandy

sent from the dark side of the moon

On 30 May 2016, at 16:21, Sieghard Weitzel 
<siegh...@live.ca<mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:
If they offered an unconditional 30-day money back guaranty (no questions 
asked) I would maybe give one of these things a try. Apart from that I would 
share Gordan’s concern about how well something this small works. I have no 
carpets in my house any more, all hardwood (living room and hallway), tile 
(kitchen and bathroom) and cork (bedrooms) but when I see how much doghair my 
heavy-duty central vac sucks up I am just not sure one of these robots could 
handle it. I guess Sandy is right that the trick would be to let it do its 
thing every day and that way there wouldn’t be as much, but I’d still like the 
opportunity to try it with the option to send it back for a full refund if I 
don’t think it does the trick in terms of cleaning well, getting all spots, 
going from living room into the kitchen, the bedroom, getting stuck in a 
corner, not falling down the stairs etc.

Regards,
Sieghard

From: 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]
Sent: Monday, May 30, 2016 2:08 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@goog

RE: Roomba 980 with an app!

[Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.]

Does it clean tile? If so, how is it on that surface? We have a large area rug 
on top of our carpet in a portion of the living room. Can it possibly make its 
way onto and off of that?

Thanks, Keith

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Peter Logan
Sent: Monday, May 30, 2016 10:47 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Roomba 980 with an app!

Well, it may not do as good a job as a sighted person .. but I’m positive it 
does a better job than I do.  I was skeptical before getting it .. and well, no 
longer.  I am amazed at the job that it does.  The one place I have noticed 
that it has a problem is where the carpet meets the tile.  I’m guessing because 
it is raising up to get over the strip and on to the carpet.  And frankly it’s 
just cool...not that that is a good reason to spend $900.

I normally vacuum once a week, and generally empty out my bin each time..so I’m 
pretty aware of the amount of junk I usually get.  I originally ran the Roomba 
on a single pass job, and well got at least the same amount if not more than I 
would normally get.  I then ran it again on a dual pass and it didn’t really 
get that much additional.  So, in my case I believe the suction to be as good 
as my regular vacuum.

It’s obviously not for everyone, and if I hadn’t had the opportunity to get it, 
well I most likely wouldn’t have.  I had several people tell me they didn’t 
work and that they got stuck and such.  I think a lot of that has to do with 
furniture and such.  I have now ran mine multiple times, and haven’t had the 
unit get stuck on anything.  It has worked properly each time.  It takes about 
an hour to do my apartment on a dual pass cleaning.

I have set mine up to clean 3 times a week .. so, will see how that goes.





From: Gordan Radić<mailto:razbij...@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, May 30, 2016 2:55 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Roomba 980 with an app!

Hi!
Frankly, I don't think robotic vacuum cleaners are better than the usual ones. 
First thing you need consider when purchasing the vacuum cleaner is it's 
strength in wats. Stronger it is the cleaning process is better because it 
better sucks the dirt.
Robotic cleaners work on battery and you can't get the same strength with it as 
the machines plugged into wall outlet.
So, true, it will probably clean the floor better than a blind person hitting 
all the spots and corners but it won't do it like a nice old fashioned cleaner. 
And this is not my philosophy, this I've been told by Vorewerk representative 
while we talked about their new robotic model.

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30.5.2016. u 3:17, Brent Harding je napisao/la:
What makes these special compared to the cheaper ones before? I could see the 
utility in having a robotic vacuum because there's always those little spots 
one might miss around something, and I'd imagine it can do a better job than 
many of us.
- Original Message - From: "Peter Logan" mailto:pdlloga...@gmail.com
To: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 2:27 PM
Subject: Re: Roomba 980 with an app!


Ok, my unit arrived a couple of hours ago.  Setting it up was quite easy. There 
are a couple of really good unboxing videos on You Tube that might help.  The 
app has a few places where things aren't labelled the best, but you should be 
able to figure it out.  The basic things are all accessible...

Fired Mr. Roboto up...you can name the unit .. And he took off.  Did a pretty 
decent job ...

My suggestion is to make sure you buy it from a place that will allow you to 
return.  With spending almost $1K, you want to make sure it does all that you 
expect.

Sent from my iPhone


On May 27, 2016, at 6:15 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com wrote:

Hallo There!

   OK, so I am in the market for a new robot vacuum cleaner. The latest, from 
iRobot's Roomba range, is the 980 and it comes with an app! I want to know how 
accessible it is. I downloaded the app, and it looks OK, but, because I 
haven't, as yet, got the machine, needing to know if it will work for me with 
the app, I can't tell if it is usable with VO.

   So, my question is: does anyone have experience of the app and running the 
980 Roomba. Now, before you all shout at me for profligacy, I know it costs an 
arm and a leg! I can only say that I have been seduced by the hype! I have long 
term experience of the Roombas and love them! This new one, not only has an app 
which should help with error analysis, but will allow me to start the thing off 
from anywhere and, it says, it will do the whole of one level of my ho

Re: Roomba 980 with an app!

['Sandratomkins' via VIPhone]

Sieghard,

I can see you are wavering here!? Just to explain a little more: Re falling 
downstairs, I cannot speak for the Neato vacs, as I haven't seen one, but all 
of the Roombas have been equipped with a drop off sensor. I would like one on 
the toe of my shoes!! I have, just about never had a Roomba hurl itself 
downstairs. Usually, when they approach a drop off, they just swerve away. 
Sometimes, if they get distracted by something (who knows what goes on in the 
head of a vacuum cleaner?) they go too close to the drop and perch, 
precariously, with one wheel off, bleeting, sulkily, to the world in general, 
looking for a helping hand. Remember, I am speaking of older models, even my 
latest one is about 6 years old. I imagine they are even more relyable 
nowadays. Roombas talk! Unfortunately, mine is stuck in Bulgarian! This was my 
own fault, but it did lead to a sudden and dramatic growth in my linguistic 
skills.

As I said, we do retain corded vacs as well. I think it fair to say that if 
you are very fussy, and I did use to be, you might want to give the house a go 
over, every 1/3 months. And yoou can't do stairs with the robots. 

Because I have both been researching the latest Roomba/Neato with a view to 
purchasing and, at the same time, looking for maintenance tips for my old one, 
I see, from the various fora that people do buy and try, taking advantage of 
the "cooling off" return option. I don't know anything about that though.When I 
got my last Guide Dog, here in Ireland, I was so smitten with my first Roomba, 
which I had had for a few years, that I persuaded the Guide Dog Centre to 
approach IRobot, who make the Roomba for a freeby, with fthe idea that students 
might have the chance to watch it in action, and I know that some bought them 
on the strenth of that introduction. 

For anyone considering looking further into these Bots, I can only say it 
is worth a deal of research. They have different strenths and the latest and 
greatest is not always the best.Lastly, comparing a robot vac with a generic 
corded one is a bit specious. They do the work for you! They may miss bits 
sometimes, but not as much as I do when manually vacuuming. They can do it when 
you are out! The are usable by people with other issues of a more physical 
nature. In theory, someone who is bed-ridden could keep their independence re 
the state of their floors. And, isn't this the beginning of the robot era! 

Well, these are my thoughts,

Happy pondering! Sandy 

sent from the dark side of the moon

> On 30 May 2016, at 16:21, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
> 
> If they offered an unconditional 30-day money back guaranty (no questions 
> asked) I would maybe give one of these things a try. Apart from that I would 
> share Gordan’s concern about how well something this small works. I have no 
> carpets in my house any more, all hardwood (living room and hallway), tile 
> (kitchen and bathroom) and cork (bedrooms) but when I see how much doghair my 
> heavy-duty central vac sucks up I am just not sure one of these robots could 
> handle it. I guess Sandy is right that the trick would be to let it do its 
> thing every day and that way there wouldn’t be as much, but I’d still like 
> the opportunity to try it with the option to send it back for a full refund 
> if I don’t think it does the trick in terms of cleaning well, getting all 
> spots, going from living room into the kitchen, the bedroom, getting stuck in 
> a corner, not falling down the stairs etc.
>  
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>  
> From: 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
> Sent: Monday, May 30, 2016 2:08 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Roomba 980 with an app!
>  
> Hi Gordon and all who have been talking/asking about these useful toys,
>  
> Gordon, when you say that the battery powered hoovers are not as powerful 
> as the corded ones, you are, of course right, but there is a caveat: because 
> you have the pleasure of not having to actually do the hoovering yourself, 
> you tend to do it more often and, in this way, the overall effect is 
> superior!!! I have a house with tiled, wooden, and carpeted floors. The 
> Roombas that I have had since about 2003, have all done sterling work! We 
> have always had dogs, even so, my floors have been the envy of my friends! 
> Don't I sound sad? Seriously, I have left the house with a friend, off to 
> enjoy ourselves about town, and she has said to me "What is that sound? Have 
> you left something on?" 'Tis my little friend, the robot vacuum cleaner, he 
> is doing the floors while I am out." I cannot describe the astonished 
> jealousy! For, not only the blind find hoovering a bit of a chore, most 
> people do too, especially living here, in rural Ireland, where every muddy 

Re: Roomba 980 with an app!

[Peter Logan]

I'm not sure about needing to be connected to the net at all times.  I can 
test that out at some point to see what happens if connectivity is lost.


As with the camera, I haven't read anything about it sending that anywhere, 
my understanding is that it uses that to map out the environment and help 
keep it from running into objects.  I don't notice mine running into much 
stuff.  I did read that they won't work in the dark, haven't tested that 
since I have my scheduled for 9:00am.  However, the other night I was 
running it on a manual clean and it seemed to work ok.  It wasn't totally 
dark, so not sure how much light it actually needs.




-Original Message- 
From: 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone

Sent: Monday, May 30, 2016 4:41 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Roomba 980 with an app!

Hallo Peter,

   Congrats on your new Roomba! I wonder if you can assist a little more 
with some info for me? It appears that the machine works with different 
sensors, one of which is the camera, which looks, primarily, at the ceiling, 
to locate itself. It seems to me, from my reading about the 980, that it has 
to be online, all the time, that is, with an internet connection, in order 
to navigate, sending pictures up to the cloud, until it is finished 
cleaning. I have heard that if it can't do this, the Roomba will not work. 
Indeed, I have heard that if there is insufficient light, it will not work 
either! So, do you know, will your machine work without an internet 
connection?


   Where I live, our broadband is severely limited and often goes off. If I 
am dependent upon the net for the roomba to work for me, I shall have to 
think again.


   How have you found yours to be performing for you? If I might ask, have 
you had one before? If so, how does it compare? I have a, slightly, defunct 
Roomba 560, which could be resirrected, probably, so, would love to know if 
this one is worth the hype! If the issue of the internet is as I suspect, I 
will take a look at the previous version, the 880 instead.


   Thanks for your feedback,
Sandy.

sent from the dark side of the moon


On 28 May 2016, at 20:27, Peter Logan <pdlloga...@gmail.com> wrote:

Ok, my unit arrived a couple of hours ago.  Setting it up was quite easy. 
There are a couple of really good unboxing videos on You Tube that might 
help.  The app has a few places where things aren't labelled the best, but 
you should be able to figure it out.  The basic things are all 
accessible...


Fired Mr. Roboto up...you can name the unit .. And he took off.  Did a 
pretty decent job ...


My suggestion is to make sure you buy it from a place that will allow you 
to return.  With spending almost $1K, you want to make sure it does all 
that you expect.


Sent from my iPhone

On May 27, 2016, at 6:15 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
<viphone@googlegroups.com> wrote:


Hallo There!

  OK, so I am in the market for a new robot vacuum cleaner. The latest, 
from iRobot's Roomba range, is the 980 and it comes with an app! I want 
to know how accessible it is. I downloaded the app, and it looks OK, but, 
because I haven't, as yet, got the machine, needing to know if it will 
work for me with the app, I can't tell if it is usable with VO.


  So, my question is: does anyone have experience of the app and running 
the 980 Roomba. Now, before you all shout at me for profligacy, I know it 
costs an arm and a leg! I can only say that I have been seduced by the 
hype! I have long term experience of the Roombas and love them! This new 
one, not only has an app which should help with error analysis, but will 
allow me to start the thing off from anywhere and, it says, it will do 
the whole of one level of my house, going back to the charger for a 
refuel session and then continue where it left off.


  Anyway, I am almost convinced, but, with such a large outlay, just need 
to know about the accessibility.


  Can you help?

  Sandy

sent from the dark side of the moon

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Re: Roomba 980 with an app!

[Peter Logan]

Well, it may not do as good a job as a sighted person .. but I’m positive it 
does a better job than I do.  I was skeptical before getting it .. and well, no 
longer.  I am amazed at the job that it does.  The one place I have noticed 
that it has a problem is where the carpet meets the tile.  I’m guessing because 
it is raising up to get over the strip and on to the carpet.  And frankly it’s 
just cool...not that that is a good reason to spend $900.

I normally vacuum once a week, and generally empty out my bin each time..so I’m 
pretty aware of the amount of junk I usually get.  I originally ran the Roomba 
on a single pass job, and well got at least the same amount if not more than I 
would normally get.  I then ran it again on a dual pass and it didn’t really 
get that much additional.  So, in my case I believe the suction to be as good 
as my regular vacuum.

It’s obviously not for everyone, and if I hadn’t had the opportunity to get it, 
well I most likely wouldn’t have.  I had several people tell me they didn’t 
work and that they got stuck and such.  I think a lot of that has to do with 
furniture and such.  I have now ran mine multiple times, and haven’t had the 
unit get stuck on anything.  It has worked properly each time.  It takes about 
an hour to do my apartment on a dual pass cleaning.

I have set mine up to clean 3 times a week .. so, will see how that goes.





From: Gordan Radić 
Sent: Monday, May 30, 2016 2:55 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Roomba 980 with an app!

Hi!
Frankly, I don't think robotic vacuum cleaners are better than the usual ones. 
First thing you need consider when purchasing the vacuum cleaner is it's 
strength in wats. Stronger it is the cleaning process is better because it 
better sucks the dirt.
Robotic cleaners work on battery and you can't get the same strength with it as 
the machines plugged into wall outlet.
So, true, it will probably clean the floor better than a blind person hitting 
all the spots and corners but it won't do it like a nice old fashioned cleaner. 
And this is not my philosophy, this I've been told by Vorewerk representative 
while we talked about their new robotic model.


S poštovanjem
Gordan Radić




30.5.2016. u 3:17, Brent Harding je napisao/la:

  What makes these special compared to the cheaper ones before? I could see the 
utility in having a robotic vacuum because there's always those little spots 
one might miss around something, and I'd imagine it can do a better job than 
many of us. 
  - Original Message - From: "Peter Logan" mailto:pdlloga...@gmail.com 
  To: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 2:27 PM 
  Subject: Re: Roomba 980 with an app! 


  Ok, my unit arrived a couple of hours ago.  Setting it up was quite easy. 
There are a couple of really good unboxing videos on You Tube that might help.  
The app has a few places where things aren't labelled the best, but you should 
be able to figure it out.  The basic things are all accessible... 

  Fired Mr. Roboto up...you can name the unit .. And he took off.  Did a pretty 
decent job ... 

  My suggestion is to make sure you buy it from a place that will allow you to 
return.  With spending almost $1K, you want to make sure it does all that you 
expect. 

  Sent from my iPhone 


On May 27, 2016, at 6:15 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com wrote: 

Hallo There! 

   OK, so I am in the market for a new robot vacuum cleaner. The latest, 
from iRobot's Roomba range, is the 980 and it comes with an app! I want to know 
how accessible it is. I downloaded the app, and it looks OK, but, because I 
haven't, as yet, got the machine, needing to know if it will work for me with 
the app, I can't tell if it is usable with VO. 

   So, my question is: does anyone have experience of the app and running 
the 980 Roomba. Now, before you all shout at me for profligacy, I know it costs 
an arm and a leg! I can only say that I have been seduced by the hype! I have 
long term experience of the Roombas and love them! This new one, not only has 
an app which should help with error analysis, but will allow me to start the 
thing off from anywhere and, it says, it will do the whole of one level of my 
house, going back to the charger for a refuel session and then continue where 
it left off. 

   Anyway, I am almost convinced, but, with such a large outlay, just need 
to know about the accessibility. 

   Can you help? 

   Sandy 

sent from the dark side of the moon 

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RE: Roomba 980 with an app!

[Sieghard Weitzel]

If they offered an unconditional 30-day money back guaranty (no questions 
asked) I would maybe give one of these things a try. Apart from that I would 
share Gordan’s concern about how well something this small works. I have no 
carpets in my house any more, all hardwood (living room and hallway), tile 
(kitchen and bathroom) and cork (bedrooms) but when I see how much doghair my 
heavy-duty central vac sucks up I am just not sure one of these robots could 
handle it. I guess Sandy is right that the trick would be to let it do its 
thing every day and that way there wouldn’t be as much, but I’d still like the 
opportunity to try it with the option to send it back for a full refund if I 
don’t think it does the trick in terms of cleaning well, getting all spots, 
going from living room into the kitchen, the bedroom, getting stuck in a 
corner, not falling down the stairs etc.

Regards,
Sieghard

From: 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]
Sent: Monday, May 30, 2016 2:08 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Roomba 980 with an app!

Hi Gordon and all who have been talking/asking about these useful toys,

Gordon, when you say that the battery powered hoovers are not as powerful 
as the corded ones, you are, of course right, but there is a caveat: because 
you have the pleasure of not having to actually do the hoovering yourself, you 
tend to do it more often and, in this way, the overall effect is superior!!! I 
have a house with tiled, wooden, and carpeted floors. The Roombas that I have 
had since about 2003, have all done sterling work! We have always had dogs, 
even so, my floors have been the envy of my friends! Don't I sound sad? 
Seriously, I have left the house with a friend, off to enjoy ourselves about 
town, and she has said to me "What is that sound? Have you left something on?" 
'Tis my little friend, the robot vacuum cleaner, he is doing the floors while I 
am out." I cannot describe the astonished jealousy! For, not only the blind 
find hoovering a bit of a chore, most people do too, especially living here, in 
rural Ireland, where every muddy boot/paw bears testimony to the great outdoors!

I can only say that if your only arguement against these robots is that of 
power and therefor efficiency, my house disproves it!

As for loudness, someone asked about: it is quieter on some  surfaces than 
others, but, in general, I would say it is much much less noisy than our 
Milfisk (if that is how you spell it) We do have ordinary vacs as well, but 
when the Roomba is working, they don't get used, except for stairs and ceiling 
corners.

If you have children, who might be messy, leaving toys etc around the 
floor, I would think twice about purchasing one of these as these objects will 
slow up the efficiency of the robot, but this applies to using a normal vac 
anyway, especially, when one doesn't see them and sucks them up.

For anyone interested, and, keeping this on topic, there are, as far as I 
know, 2 main competitors for the "best" slot, both of which can work with apps. 
The Roomba 980 (very expensive) and the Neatorobot VacBot connected (a couple 
of hundred cheaper) I am going to investigate both while trying to resuscitate 
my old one!

Sandy.

sent from the dark side of the moon

On 30 May 2016, at 07:55, Gordan Radić 
<razbij...@gmail.com<mailto:razbij...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi!
Frankly, I don't think robotic vacuum cleaners are better than the usual ones. 
First thing you need consider when purchasing the vacuum cleaner is it's 
strength in wats. Stronger it is the cleaning process is better because it 
better sucks the dirt.
Robotic cleaners work on battery and you can't get the same strength with it as 
the machines plugged into wall outlet.
So, true, it will probably clean the floor better than a blind person hitting 
all the spots and corners but it won't do it like a nice old fashioned cleaner. 
And this is not my philosophy, this I've been told by Vorewerk representative 
while we talked about their new robotic model.

S poštovanjem
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30.5.2016. u 3:17, Brent Harding je napisao/la:
What makes these special compared to the cheaper ones before? I could see the 
utility in having a robotic vacuum because there's always those little spots 
one might miss around something, and I'd imagine it can do a better job than 
many of us.
- Original Message - From: "Peter Logan" 
<pdlloga...@gmail.com><mailto:pdlloga...@gmail.com>
To: <viphone@googlegroups.com><mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 2:27 PM
Subject: Re: Roomba 980 with an app!


Ok, my unit arrived a couple of hours ago.  Setting it up was quite easy. There 
are a coupl

Re: Roomba 980 with an app!

[Lois Butterfield]

Hi Sandy,

Please send me your e-mail address.  

Mine is: lbutterfield...@gmail.com.

Take care,
Lois
From: 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
Sent: Monday, May 30, 2016 9:07 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Roomba 980 with an app!

Hey you too!
If you decide to have a private conversation on this, would you cc me into it 
please? I don't see at all, either, and so would need to know if I could 
actually use the neato. Plus, with the new connected version, that's it would 
be doable from the app itself!

Thanks, Sandy

Sent from my iPhone

On 30 May 2016, at 13:36, Don Breda <don.br...@gmail.com> wrote:


  Hi Lois.

  I have had both a roomba and a neato.   The neato was a much more powerful 
andeffective vacuum but was almost impossible to operate reliably if you 
couldn't see the display.

  I spoke with them about this and offered to beta test when they get around to 
working on accessibility.

  They took my info but never conteacted me.

  Which one did you get and how do you use it?

  Please feel free to write me privately.

  don.br...@gmail.com

  Thanks in advance.

  Don




  On 30-May-16 5:27 AM, Lois Butterfield wrote:

Hi Sandy,

I have the Neato, and I didn’t know there was one that would work with an 
app.  

I found that the Roomba gears got clogged with my cats fur.  She is very 
fluffy.  The Neato doesn’t have that problem.

I’m off to investigate.  Thanks for the tip.

Take care,
Lois


From: 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
Sent: Monday, May 30, 2016 5:07 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Roomba 980 with an app!

Hi Gordon and all who have been talking/asking about these useful toys,

Gordon, when you say that the battery powered hoovers are not as 
powerful as the corded ones, you are, of course right, but there is a caveat: 
because you have the pleasure of not having to actually do the hoovering 
yourself, you tend to do it more often and, in this way, the overall effect is 
superior!!! I have a house with tiled, wooden, and carpeted floors. The Roombas 
that I have had since about 2003, have all done sterling work! We have always 
had dogs, even so, my floors have been the envy of my friends! Don't I sound 
sad? Seriously, I have left the house with a friend, off to enjoy ourselves 
about town, and she has said to me "What is that sound? Have you left something 
on?" 'Tis my little friend, the robot vacuum cleaner, he is doing the floors 
while I am out." I cannot describe the astonished jealousy! For, not only the 
blind find hoovering a bit of a chore, most people do too, especially living 
here, in rural Ireland, where every muddy boot/paw bears testimony to the great 
outdoors! 

I can only say that if your only arguement against these robots is that 
of power and therefor efficiency, my house disproves it! 

As for loudness, someone asked about: it is quieter on some  surfaces 
than others, but, in general, I would say it is much much less noisy than our 
Milfisk (if that is how you spell it) We do have ordinary vacs as well, but 
when the Roomba is working, they don't get used, except for stairs and ceiling 
corners. 

If you have children, who might be messy, leaving toys etc around the 
floor, I would think twice about purchasing one of these as these objects will 
slow up the efficiency of the robot, but this applies to using a normal vac 
anyway, especially, when one doesn't see them and sucks them up.

For anyone interested, and, keeping this on topic, there are, as far as 
I know, 2 main competitors for the "best" slot, both of which can work with 
apps. The Roomba 980 (very expensive) and the Neatorobot VacBot connected (a 
couple of hundred cheaper) I am going to investigate both while trying to 
resuscitate my old one!

Sandy. 

sent from the dark side of the moon

On 30 May 2016, at 07:55, Gordan Radić <razbij...@gmail.com> wrote:


  Hi!
  Frankly, I don't think robotic vacuum cleaners are better than the usual 
ones. First thing you need consider when purchasing the vacuum cleaner is it's 
strength in wats. Stronger it is the cleaning process is better because it 
better sucks the dirt.
  Robotic cleaners work on battery and you can't get the same strength with 
it as the machines plugged into wall outlet.
  So, true, it will probably clean the floor better than a blind person 
hitting all the spots and corners but it won't do it like a nice old fashioned 
cleaner. And this is not my philosophy, this I've been told by Vorewerk 
representative while we talked about their new robotic model.


  S poštovanjem
  Gordan Radić

  
  

  30.5.2016. u 3:17, Brent Harding je napisao/la:

What makes these special compared to the cheaper ones before? I could 
see the utility in having a robotic vacuum because there's always those little 
spots one might m

Re: Roomba 980 with an app!

['Sandratomkins' via VIPhone]

Hey you too!
If you decide to have a private conversation on this, would you cc me into it 
please? I don't see at all, either, and so would need to know if I could 
actually use the neato. Plus, with the new connected version, that's it would 
be doable from the app itself!

Thanks, Sandy

Sent from my iPhone

> On 30 May 2016, at 13:36, Don Breda <don.br...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Lois.
> 
> I have had both a roomba and a neato.   The neato was a much more powerful 
> andeffective vacuum but was almost impossible to operate reliably if you 
> couldn't see the display.
> 
> I spoke with them about this and offered to beta test when they get around to 
> working on accessibility.
> 
> They took my info but never conteacted me.
> 
> Which one did you get and how do you use it?
> 
> Please feel free to write me privately.
> 
> don.br...@gmail.com
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> Don
> 
> 
> 
>> On 30-May-16 5:27 AM, Lois Butterfield wrote:
>> Hi Sandy,
>>  
>> I have the Neato, and I didn’t know there was one that would work with an 
>> app. 
>>  
>> I found that the Roomba gears got clogged with my cats fur.  She is very 
>> fluffy.  The Neato doesn’t have that problem.
>>  
>> I’m off to investigate.  Thanks for the tip.
>>  
>> Take care,
>> Lois
>>  
>>  
>> From: 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone
>> Sent: Monday, May 30, 2016 5:07 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Roomba 980 with an app!
>>  
>> Hi Gordon and all who have been talking/asking about these useful toys,
>>  
>> Gordon, when you say that the battery powered hoovers are not as 
>> powerful as the corded ones, you are, of course right, but there is a 
>> caveat: because you have the pleasure of not having to actually do the 
>> hoovering yourself, you tend to do it more often and, in this way, the 
>> overall effect is superior!!! I have a house with tiled, wooden, and 
>> carpeted floors. The Roombas that I have had since about 2003, have all done 
>> sterling work! We have always had dogs, even so, my floors have been the 
>> envy of my friends! Don't I sound sad? Seriously, I have left the house 
>> with a friend, off to enjoy ourselves about town, and she has said to me 
>> "What is that sound? Have you left something on?" 'Tis my little friend, the 
>> robot vacuum cleaner, he is doing the floors while I am out." I cannot 
>> describe the astonished jealousy! For, not only the blind find hoovering a 
>> bit of a chore, most people do too, especially living here, in rural 
>> Ireland, where every muddy boot/paw bears testimony to the great outdoors!
>>  
>> I can only say that if your only arguement against these robots is that 
>> of power and therefor efficiency, my house disproves it!
>>  
>> As for loudness, someone asked about: it is quieter on some  surfaces 
>> than others, but, in general, I would say it is much much less noisy than 
>> our Milfisk (if that is how you spell it) We do have ordinary vacs as well, 
>> but when the Roomba is working, they don't get used, except for stairs and 
>> ceiling corners.
>>  
>> If you have children, who might be messy, leaving toys etc around the 
>> floor, I would think twice about purchasing one of these as these objects 
>> will slow up the efficiency of the robot, but this applies to using a normal 
>> vac anyway, especially, when one doesn't see them and sucks them up.
>>  
>> For anyone interested, and, keeping this on topic, there are, as far as 
>> I know, 2 main competitors for the "best" slot, both of which can work with 
>> apps. The Roomba 980 (very expensive) and the Neatorobot VacBot connected (a 
>> couple of hundred cheaper) I am going to investigate both while trying to 
>> resuscitate my old one!
>>  
>> Sandy. 
>> 
>> sent from the dark side of the moon
>> 
>> On 30 May 2016, at 07:55, Gordan Radić <razbij...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> Frankly, I don't think robotic vacuum cleaners are better than the usual 
>>> ones. First thing you need consider when purchasing the vacuum cleaner is 
>>> it's strength in wats. Stronger it is the cleaning process is better 
>>> because it better sucks the dirt.
>>> Robotic cleaners work on battery and you can't get the same strength with 
>>> it as the machines plugged into wall outlet.
>>> So, true, it will probably clean the floor better than a blind person 
>>> hitting all the spots and corners but it won't do it

Re: Roomba 980 with an app!

[Don Breda]

Hi Lois.

I have had both a roomba and a neato.   The neato was a much more 
powerful andeffective vacuum but was almost impossible to operate 
reliably if you couldn't see the display.


I spoke with them about this and offered to beta test when they get 
around to working on accessibility.


They took my info but never conteacted me.

Which one did you get and how do you use it?

Please feel free to write me privately.

don.br...@gmail.com

Thanks in advance.

Don



On 30-May-16 5:27 AM, Lois Butterfield wrote:

Hi Sandy,
I have the Neato, and I didn’t know there was one that would work with 
an app.
I found that the Roomba gears got clogged with my cats fur.  She is 
very fluffy.  The Neato doesn’t have that problem.

I’m off to investigate.  Thanks for the tip.
Take care,
Lois
*From:* 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
*Sent:* Monday, May 30, 2016 5:07 AM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
*Subject:* Re: Roomba 980 with an app!
Hi Gordon and all who have been talking/asking about these useful toys,
Gordon, when you say that the battery powered hoovers are not as 
powerful as the corded ones, you are, of course right, but there is a 
caveat: because you have the pleasure of not having to actually do the 
hoovering yourself, you tend to do it more often and, in this way, the 
overall effect is superior!!! I have a house with tiled, wooden, and 
carpeted floors. The Roombas that I have had since about 2003, have 
all done sterling work! We have always had dogs, even so, my floors 
have been the envy of my friends! Don't I sound sad? Seriously, I 
have left the house with a friend, off to enjoy ourselves about town, 
and she has said to me "What is that sound? Have you left something 
on?" 'Tis my little friend, the robot vacuum cleaner, he is doing the 
floors while I am out." I cannot describe the astonished jealousy! 
For, not only the blind find hoovering a bit of a chore, most people 
do too, especially living here, in rural Ireland, where every muddy 
boot/paw bears testimony to the great outdoors!
I can only say that if your only arguement against these robots is 
that of power and therefor efficiency, my house disproves it!
As for loudness, someone asked about: it is quieter on some  
surfaces than others, but, in general, I would say it is much much 
less noisy than our Milfisk (if that is how you spell it) We do have 
ordinary vacs as well, but when the Roomba is working, they don't get 
used, except for stairs and ceiling corners.
If you have children, who might be messy, leaving toys etc around 
the floor, I would think twice about purchasing one of these as these 
objects will slow up the efficiency of the robot, but this applies to 
using a normal vac anyway, especially, when one doesn't see them and 
sucks them up.
For anyone interested, and, keeping this on topic, there are, as 
far as I know, 2 main competitors for the "best" slot, both of which 
can work with apps. The Roomba 980 (very expensive) and the Neatorobot 
VacBot connected (a couple of hundred cheaper) I am going to 
investigate both while trying to resuscitate my old one!

Sandy.

sent from the dark side of the moon

On 30 May 2016, at 07:55, Gordan Radić <razbij...@gmail.com 
<mailto:razbij...@gmail.com>> wrote:



Hi!
Frankly, I don't think robotic vacuum cleaners are better than the 
usual ones. First thing you need consider when purchasing the vacuum 
cleaner is it's strength in wats. Stronger it is the cleaning process 
is better because it better sucks the dirt.
Robotic cleaners work on battery and you can't get the same strength 
with it as the machines plugged into wall outlet.
So, true, it will probably clean the floor better than a blind person 
hitting all the spots and corners but it won't do it like a nice old 
fashioned cleaner. And this is not my philosophy, this I've been told 
by Vorewerk representative while we talked about their new robotic model.


S poštovanjem
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30.5.2016. u 3:17, Brent Harding je napisao/la:
What makes these special compared to the cheaper ones before? I 
could see the utility in having a robotic vacuum because there's 
always those little spots one might miss around something, and I'd 
imagine it can do a better job than many of us.
- Original Message - From: "Peter Logan" 
mailto:pdlloga...@gmail.com

To: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 2:27 PM
Subject: Re: Roomba 980 with an app!


Ok, my unit arrived a couple of hours ago.  Setting it up was quite 
easy. There are a couple of really good unboxing videos on You Tube 
that might help.  The app has a few places where things aren't 
labelled

Re: Roomba 980 with an app!

[Lois Butterfield]

Hi Sandy,

I have the Neato, and I didn’t know there was one that would work with an app.  

I found that the Roomba gears got clogged with my cats fur.  She is very 
fluffy.  The Neato doesn’t have that problem.

I’m off to investigate.  Thanks for the tip.

Take care,
Lois


From: 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
Sent: Monday, May 30, 2016 5:07 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Roomba 980 with an app!

Hi Gordon and all who have been talking/asking about these useful toys,

Gordon, when you say that the battery powered hoovers are not as powerful 
as the corded ones, you are, of course right, but there is a caveat: because 
you have the pleasure of not having to actually do the hoovering yourself, you 
tend to do it more often and, in this way, the overall effect is superior!!! I 
have a house with tiled, wooden, and carpeted floors. The Roombas that I have 
had since about 2003, have all done sterling work! We have always had dogs, 
even so, my floors have been the envy of my friends! Don't I sound sad? 
Seriously, I have left the house with a friend, off to enjoy ourselves about 
town, and she has said to me "What is that sound? Have you left something on?" 
'Tis my little friend, the robot vacuum cleaner, he is doing the floors while I 
am out." I cannot describe the astonished jealousy! For, not only the blind 
find hoovering a bit of a chore, most people do too, especially living here, in 
rural Ireland, where every muddy boot/paw bears testimony to the great 
outdoors! 

I can only say that if your only arguement against these robots is that of 
power and therefor efficiency, my house disproves it! 

As for loudness, someone asked about: it is quieter on some  surfaces than 
others, but, in general, I would say it is much much less noisy than our 
Milfisk (if that is how you spell it) We do have ordinary vacs as well, but 
when the Roomba is working, they don't get used, except for stairs and ceiling 
corners. 

If you have children, who might be messy, leaving toys etc around the 
floor, I would think twice about purchasing one of these as these objects will 
slow up the efficiency of the robot, but this applies to using a normal vac 
anyway, especially, when one doesn't see them and sucks them up.

For anyone interested, and, keeping this on topic, there are, as far as I 
know, 2 main competitors for the "best" slot, both of which can work with apps. 
The Roomba 980 (very expensive) and the Neatorobot VacBot connected (a couple 
of hundred cheaper) I am going to investigate both while trying to resuscitate 
my old one!

Sandy. 

sent from the dark side of the moon

On 30 May 2016, at 07:55, Gordan Radić <razbij...@gmail.com> wrote:


  Hi!
  Frankly, I don't think robotic vacuum cleaners are better than the usual 
ones. First thing you need consider when purchasing the vacuum cleaner is it's 
strength in wats. Stronger it is the cleaning process is better because it 
better sucks the dirt.
  Robotic cleaners work on battery and you can't get the same strength with it 
as the machines plugged into wall outlet.
  So, true, it will probably clean the floor better than a blind person hitting 
all the spots and corners but it won't do it like a nice old fashioned cleaner. 
And this is not my philosophy, this I've been told by Vorewerk representative 
while we talked about their new robotic model.


  S poštovanjem
  Gordan Radić

  
  

  30.5.2016. u 3:17, Brent Harding je napisao/la:

What makes these special compared to the cheaper ones before? I could see 
the utility in having a robotic vacuum because there's always those little 
spots one might miss around something, and I'd imagine it can do a better job 
than many of us. 
- Original Message - From: "Peter Logan" 
mailto:pdlloga...@gmail.com 
To: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 2:27 PM 
Subject: Re: Roomba 980 with an app! 


Ok, my unit arrived a couple of hours ago.  Setting it up was quite easy. 
There are a couple of really good unboxing videos on You Tube that might help.  
The app has a few places where things aren't labelled the best, but you should 
be able to figure it out.  The basic things are all accessible... 

Fired Mr. Roboto up...you can name the unit .. And he took off.  Did a 
pretty decent job ... 

My suggestion is to make sure you buy it from a place that will allow you 
to return.  With spending almost $1K, you want to make sure it does all that 
you expect. 

Sent from my iPhone 


  On May 27, 2016, at 6:15 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com wrote: 

  Hallo There! 

 OK, so I am in the market for a new robot vacuum cleaner. The latest, 
from iRobot's Roomba range, is the 980 and it comes with an app! I want to know 
how accessible it is. I downloaded the app, and it looks OK, but, because I 
haven't,

Re: Roomba 980 with an app!

[Lois Butterfield]

Hi all,

I have a vacuuming robot, and I love it.  It keeps up with the fur from my dog 
and cat.  It does not; however, take the place of a regular type vacuum.  It 
still needs to be used periodically.

I’m guessing the app makes you able to set up the schedule and so forth.  That 
would be nice but isn’t worth the added price for me.  HTH.

Take care,
Lois

From: Gordan Radić 
Sent: Monday, May 30, 2016 2:55 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Roomba 980 with an app!

Hi!
Frankly, I don't think robotic vacuum cleaners are better than the usual ones. 
First thing you need consider when purchasing the vacuum cleaner is it's 
strength in wats. Stronger it is the cleaning process is better because it 
better sucks the dirt.
Robotic cleaners work on battery and you can't get the same strength with it as 
the machines plugged into wall outlet.
So, true, it will probably clean the floor better than a blind person hitting 
all the spots and corners but it won't do it like a nice old fashioned cleaner. 
And this is not my philosophy, this I've been told by Vorewerk representative 
while we talked about their new robotic model.


S poštovanjem
Gordan Radić




30.5.2016. u 3:17, Brent Harding je napisao/la:

  What makes these special compared to the cheaper ones before? I could see the 
utility in having a robotic vacuum because there's always those little spots 
one might miss around something, and I'd imagine it can do a better job than 
many of us. 
  - Original Message - From: "Peter Logan" mailto:pdlloga...@gmail.com 
  To: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 2:27 PM 
  Subject: Re: Roomba 980 with an app! 


  Ok, my unit arrived a couple of hours ago.  Setting it up was quite easy. 
There are a couple of really good unboxing videos on You Tube that might help.  
The app has a few places where things aren't labelled the best, but you should 
be able to figure it out.  The basic things are all accessible... 

  Fired Mr. Roboto up...you can name the unit .. And he took off.  Did a pretty 
decent job ... 

  My suggestion is to make sure you buy it from a place that will allow you to 
return.  With spending almost $1K, you want to make sure it does all that you 
expect. 

  Sent from my iPhone 


On May 27, 2016, at 6:15 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com wrote: 

Hallo There! 

   OK, so I am in the market for a new robot vacuum cleaner. The latest, 
from iRobot's Roomba range, is the 980 and it comes with an app! I want to know 
how accessible it is. I downloaded the app, and it looks OK, but, because I 
haven't, as yet, got the machine, needing to know if it will work for me with 
the app, I can't tell if it is usable with VO. 

   So, my question is: does anyone have experience of the app and running 
the 980 Roomba. Now, before you all shout at me for profligacy, I know it costs 
an arm and a leg! I can only say that I have been seduced by the hype! I have 
long term experience of the Roombas and love them! This new one, not only has 
an app which should help with error analysis, but will allow me to start the 
thing off from anywhere and, it says, it will do the whole of one level of my 
house, going back to the charger for a refuel session and then continue where 
it left off. 

   Anyway, I am almost convinced, but, with such a large outlay, just need 
to know about the accessibility. 

   Can you help? 

   Sandy 

sent from the dark side of the moon 

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Re: Roomba 980 with an app!

['Sandratomkins' via VIPhone]

Hi Gordon and all who have been talking/asking about these useful toys,

Gordon, when you say that the battery powered hoovers are not as powerful 
as the corded ones, you are, of course right, but there is a caveat: because 
you have the pleasure of not having to actually do the hoovering yourself, you 
tend to do it more often and, in this way, the overall effect is superior!!! I 
have a house with tiled, wooden, and carpeted floors. The Roombas that I have 
had since about 2003, have all done sterling work! We have always had dogs, 
even so, my floors have been the envy of my friends! Don't I sound sad? 
Seriously, I have left the house with a friend, off to enjoy ourselves about 
town, and she has said to me "What is that sound? Have you left something on?" 
'Tis my little friend, the robot vacuum cleaner, he is doing the floors while I 
am out." I cannot describe the astonished jealousy! For, not only the blind 
find hoovering a bit of a chore, most people do too, especially living here, in 
rural Ireland, where every muddy boot/paw bears testimony to the great 
outdoors! 

I can only say that if your only arguement against these robots is that of 
power and therefor efficiency, my house disproves it! 

As for loudness, someone asked about: it is quieter on some  surfaces than 
others, but, in general, I would say it is much much less noisy than our 
Milfisk (if that is how you spell it) We do have ordinary vacs as well, but 
when the Roomba is working, they don't get used, except for stairs and ceiling 
corners. 

If you have children, who might be messy, leaving toys etc around the 
floor, I would think twice about purchasing one of these as these objects will 
slow up the efficiency of the robot, but this applies to using a normal vac 
anyway, especially, when one doesn't see them and sucks them up.

For anyone interested, and, keeping this on topic, there are, as far as I 
know, 2 main competitors for the "best" slot, both of which can work with apps. 
The Roomba 980 (very expensive) and the Neatorobot VacBot connected (a couple 
of hundred cheaper) I am going to investigate both while trying to resuscitate 
my old one!

Sandy. 

sent from the dark side of the moon

> On 30 May 2016, at 07:55, Gordan Radić <razbij...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> Frankly, I don't think robotic vacuum cleaners are better than the usual 
> ones. First thing you need consider when purchasing the vacuum cleaner is 
> it's strength in wats. Stronger it is the cleaning process is better because 
> it better sucks the dirt.
> Robotic cleaners work on battery and you can't get the same strength with it 
> as the machines plugged into wall outlet.
> So, true, it will probably clean the floor better than a blind person hitting 
> all the spots and corners but it won't do it like a nice old fashioned 
> cleaner. And this is not my philosophy, this I've been told by Vorewerk 
> representative while we talked about their new robotic model.
> 
> S poštovanjem
> Gordan Radić
> 
>  
>  
> 30.5.2016. u 3:17, Brent Harding je napisao/la:
>> What makes these special compared to the cheaper ones before? I could see 
>> the utility in having a robotic vacuum because there's always those little 
>> spots one might miss around something, and I'd imagine it can do a better 
>> job than many of us. 
>> - Original Message - From: "Peter Logan" <pdlloga...@gmail.com> 
>> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com> 
>> Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 2:27 PM 
>> Subject: Re: Roomba 980 with an app! 
>> 
>> 
>> Ok, my unit arrived a couple of hours ago.  Setting it up was quite easy. 
>> There are a couple of really good unboxing videos on You Tube that might 
>> help.  The app has a few places where things aren't labelled the best, but 
>> you should be able to figure it out.  The basic things are all accessible... 
>> 
>> Fired Mr. Roboto up...you can name the unit .. And he took off.  Did a 
>> pretty decent job ... 
>> 
>> My suggestion is to make sure you buy it from a place that will allow you to 
>> return.  With spending almost $1K, you want to make sure it does all that 
>> you expect. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone 
>> 
>>> On May 27, 2016, at 6:15 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
>>> <viphone@googlegroups.com> wrote: 
>>> 
>>> Hallo There! 
>>> 
>>>OK, so I am in the market for a new robot vacuum cleaner. The latest, 
>>> from iRobot's Roomba range, is the 980 and it comes with an app! I want to 
>>> know how accessible it is. I downloaded the app, and it looks OK, but, 
>>> because I haven't, as yet, got the machine, needing to know if it will wo

Re: Roomba 980 with an app!

['Sandratomkins' via VIPhone]

Hallo Peter,

Congrats on your new Roomba! I wonder if you can assist a little more with 
some info for me? It appears that the machine works with different sensors, one 
of which is the camera, which looks, primarily, at the ceiling, to locate 
itself. It seems to me, from my reading about the 980, that it has to be 
online, all the time, that is, with an internet connection, in order to 
navigate, sending pictures up to the cloud, until it is finished cleaning. I 
have heard that if it can't do this, the Roomba will not work. Indeed, I have 
heard that if there is insufficient light, it will not work either! So, do you 
know, will your machine work without an internet connection?

Where I live, our broadband is severely limited and often goes off. If I am 
dependent upon the net for the roomba to work for me, I shall have to think 
again.

How have you found yours to be performing for you? If I might ask, have you 
had one before? If so, how does it compare? I have a, slightly, defunct Roomba 
560, which could be resirrected, probably, so, would love to know if this one 
is worth the hype! If the issue of the internet is as I suspect, I will take a 
look at the previous version, the 880 instead.

Thanks for your feedback,
Sandy.  

sent from the dark side of the moon

> On 28 May 2016, at 20:27, Peter Logan <pdlloga...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Ok, my unit arrived a couple of hours ago.  Setting it up was quite easy.  
> There are a couple of really good unboxing videos on You Tube that might 
> help.  The app has a few places where things aren't labelled the best, but 
> you should be able to figure it out.  The basic things are all accessible...
> 
> Fired Mr. Roboto up...you can name the unit .. And he took off.  Did a pretty 
> decent job ... 
> 
> My suggestion is to make sure you buy it from a place that will allow you to 
> return.  With spending almost $1K, you want to make sure it does all that you 
> expect.  
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 27, 2016, at 6:15 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
>> <viphone@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hallo There!
>> 
>>   OK, so I am in the market for a new robot vacuum cleaner. The latest, from 
>> iRobot's Roomba range, is the 980 and it comes with an app! I want to know 
>> how accessible it is. I downloaded the app, and it looks OK, but, because I 
>> haven't, as yet, got the machine, needing to know if it will work for me 
>> with the app, I can't tell if it is usable with VO.
>> 
>>   So, my question is: does anyone have experience of the app and running the 
>> 980 Roomba. Now, before you all shout at me for profligacy, I know it costs 
>> an arm and a leg! I can only say that I have been seduced by the hype! I 
>> have long term experience of the Roombas and love them! This new one, not 
>> only has an app which should help with error analysis, but will allow me to 
>> start the thing off from anywhere and, it says, it will do the whole of one 
>> level of my house, going back to the charger for a refuel session and then 
>> continue where it left off.
>> 
>>   Anyway, I am almost convinced, but, with such a large outlay, just need to 
>> know about the accessibility.
>> 
>>   Can you help?
>> 
>>   Sandy 
>> 
>> sent from the dark side of the moon
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Re: Roomba 980 with an app!

[Gordan Radić]

  
  
Hi!
Frankly, I don't think robotic vacuum cleaners are better than the
usual ones. First thing you need consider when purchasing the vacuum
cleaner is it's strength in wats. Stronger it is the cleaning
process is better because it better sucks the dirt.
Robotic cleaners work on battery and you can't get the same strength
with it as the machines plugged into wall outlet.
So, true, it will probably clean the floor better than a blind
person hitting all the spots and corners but it won't do it like a
nice old fashioned cleaner. And this is not my philosophy, this I've
been told by Vorewerk representative while we talked about their new
robotic model.


  S poštovanjem
Gordan Radić
  

  

  

  

  
  

  
  

  

  


  


  

  

  

30.5.2016. u 3:17, Brent Harding je
  napisao/la:

What makes these special compared to the cheaper ones
  before? I could see the utility in having a robotic vacuum because
  there's always those little spots one might miss around something,
  and I'd imagine it can do a better job than many of us.
  
  - Original Message - From: "Peter Logan"
  <pdlloga...@gmail.com>
  
  To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
  
  Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 2:27 PM
  
      Subject: Re: Roomba 980 with an app!
  
  
  
  Ok, my unit arrived a couple of hours ago.  Setting it up was
  quite easy. There are a couple of really good unboxing videos on
  You Tube that might help.  The app has a few places where things
  aren't labelled the best, but you should be able to figure it
  out.  The basic things are all accessible...
  
  
  Fired Mr. Roboto up...you can name the unit .. And he took off. 
  Did a pretty decent job ...
  
  
  My suggestion is to make sure you buy it from a place that will
  allow you to return.  With spending almost $1K, you want to make
  sure it does all that you expect.
  
  
  Sent from my iPhone
  
  
  On May 27, 2016, at 6:15 AM,
'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone <viphone@googlegroups.com>
wrote:


Hallo There!


   OK, so I am in the market for a new robot vacuum cleaner. The
latest, from iRobot's Roomba range, is the 980 and it comes with
an app! I want to know how accessible it is. I downloaded the
app, and it looks OK, but, because I haven't, as yet, got the
machine, needing to know if it will work for me with the app, I
can't tell if it is usable with VO.


   So, my question is: does anyone have experience of the app
    and running the 980 Roomba. Now, before you all shout at me for
profligacy, I know it costs an arm and a leg! I can only say
that I have been seduced by the hype! I have long term
experience of the Roombas and love them! This new one, not only
has an app which should help with error analysis, but will allow
me to start the thing off from anywhere and, it says, it will do
the whole of one level of my house, going back to the charger
for a refuel session and then continue where it left off.


   Anyway, I am almost convinced, but, with such a large outlay,
just need to know about the accessibility.


   Can you help?


   Sandy


sent from the dark side of the moon


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RE: Roomba 980 with an app!

[Jim Ruby]

I'd think about this when it can do stairs so then it could do the entire house 
and not just one level.



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.
Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2016 8:41 PM
To: 'viphone@googlegroups.com'
Subject: RE: Roomba 980 with an app!

And, how loud are these things? Keith

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Brent Harding
Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2016 8:17 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Roomba 980 with an app!

What makes these special compared to the cheaper ones before? I could see the 
utility in having a robotic vacuum because there's always those little spots 
one might miss around something, and I'd imagine it can do a better job than 
many of us.
- Original Message -
From: "Peter Logan" <pdlloga...@gmail.com>
To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 2:27 PM
Subject: Re: Roomba 980 with an app!


Ok, my unit arrived a couple of hours ago.  Setting it up was quite easy. 
There are a couple of really good unboxing videos on You Tube that might help.  
The app has a few places where things aren't labelled the best, but you should 
be able to figure it out.  The basic things are all accessible...

Fired Mr. Roboto up...you can name the unit .. And he took off.  Did a pretty 
decent job ...

My suggestion is to make sure you buy it from a place that will allow you to 
return.  With spending almost $1K, you want to make sure it does all that you 
expect.

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 27, 2016, at 6:15 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
> <viphone@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> Hallo There!
>
>OK, so I am in the market for a new robot vacuum cleaner. The 
> latest, from iRobot's Roomba range, is the 980 and it comes with an 
> app! I want to know how accessible it is. I downloaded the app, and it 
> looks OK, but, because I haven't, as yet, got the machine, needing to 
> know if it will work for me with the app, I can't tell if it is usable with 
> VO.
>
>So, my question is: does anyone have experience of the app and 
> running the 980 Roomba. Now, before you all shout at me for 
> profligacy, I know it costs an arm and a leg! I can only say that I 
> have been seduced by the hype! I have long term experience of the 
> Roombas and love them! This new one, not only has an app which should 
> help with error analysis, but will allow me to start the thing off 
> from anywhere and, it says, it will do the whole of one level of my 
> house, going back to the charger for a refuel session and then continue where 
> it left off.
>
>Anyway, I am almost convinced, but, with such a large outlay, just 
> need to know about the accessibility.
>
>Can you help?
>
>Sandy
>
> sent from the dark side of the moon
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Re: Roomba 980 with an app!

[Lelia Struve]

They don't seem too loud, I went on YouTube and listen to a few videos. It 
actually seems pretty cool.

Lelia 

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 29, 2016, at 7:41 PM, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. 
> <kramlinger.ke...@mayo.edu> wrote:
> 
> And, how loud are these things? Keith
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Brent Harding
> Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2016 8:17 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Roomba 980 with an app!
> 
> What makes these special compared to the cheaper ones before? I could see the 
> utility in having a robotic vacuum because there's always those little spots 
> one might miss around something, and I'd imagine it can do a better job than 
> many of us.
> - Original Message -
> From: "Peter Logan" <pdlloga...@gmail.com>
> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 2:27 PM
> Subject: Re: Roomba 980 with an app!
> 
> 
> Ok, my unit arrived a couple of hours ago.  Setting it up was quite easy. 
> There are a couple of really good unboxing videos on You Tube that might 
> help.  The app has a few places where things aren't labelled the best, but 
> you should be able to figure it out.  The basic things are all accessible...
> 
> Fired Mr. Roboto up...you can name the unit .. And he took off.  Did a pretty 
> decent job ...
> 
> My suggestion is to make sure you buy it from a place that will allow you to 
> return.  With spending almost $1K, you want to make sure it does all that you 
> expect.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 27, 2016, at 6:15 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
>> <viphone@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hallo There!
>> 
>>   OK, so I am in the market for a new robot vacuum cleaner. The 
>> latest, from iRobot's Roomba range, is the 980 and it comes with an 
>> app! I want to know how accessible it is. I downloaded the app, and it 
>> looks OK, but, because I haven't, as yet, got the machine, needing to 
>> know if it will work for me with the app, I can't tell if it is usable with 
>> VO.
>> 
>>   So, my question is: does anyone have experience of the app and 
>> running the 980 Roomba. Now, before you all shout at me for 
>> profligacy, I know it costs an arm and a leg! I can only say that I 
>> have been seduced by the hype! I have long term experience of the 
>> Roombas and love them! This new one, not only has an app which should 
>> help with error analysis, but will allow me to start the thing off 
>> from anywhere and, it says, it will do the whole of one level of my 
>> house, going back to the charger for a refuel session and then continue 
>> where it left off.
>> 
>>   Anyway, I am almost convinced, but, with such a large outlay, just 
>> need to know about the accessibility.
>> 
>>   Can you help?
>> 
>>   Sandy
>> 
>> sent from the dark side of the moon
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RE: Roomba 980 with an app!

[Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.]

And, how loud are these things? Keith

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Brent Harding
Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2016 8:17 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Roomba 980 with an app!

What makes these special compared to the cheaper ones before? I could see the 
utility in having a robotic vacuum because there's always those little spots 
one might miss around something, and I'd imagine it can do a better job than 
many of us.
- Original Message -
From: "Peter Logan" <pdlloga...@gmail.com>
To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 2:27 PM
Subject: Re: Roomba 980 with an app!


Ok, my unit arrived a couple of hours ago.  Setting it up was quite easy. 
There are a couple of really good unboxing videos on You Tube that might help.  
The app has a few places where things aren't labelled the best, but you should 
be able to figure it out.  The basic things are all accessible...

Fired Mr. Roboto up...you can name the unit .. And he took off.  Did a pretty 
decent job ...

My suggestion is to make sure you buy it from a place that will allow you to 
return.  With spending almost $1K, you want to make sure it does all that you 
expect.

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 27, 2016, at 6:15 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
> <viphone@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> Hallo There!
>
>OK, so I am in the market for a new robot vacuum cleaner. The 
> latest, from iRobot's Roomba range, is the 980 and it comes with an 
> app! I want to know how accessible it is. I downloaded the app, and it 
> looks OK, but, because I haven't, as yet, got the machine, needing to 
> know if it will work for me with the app, I can't tell if it is usable with 
> VO.
>
>So, my question is: does anyone have experience of the app and 
> running the 980 Roomba. Now, before you all shout at me for 
> profligacy, I know it costs an arm and a leg! I can only say that I 
> have been seduced by the hype! I have long term experience of the 
> Roombas and love them! This new one, not only has an app which should 
> help with error analysis, but will allow me to start the thing off 
> from anywhere and, it says, it will do the whole of one level of my 
> house, going back to the charger for a refuel session and then continue where 
> it left off.
>
>Anyway, I am almost convinced, but, with such a large outlay, just 
> need to know about the accessibility.
>
>Can you help?
>
>Sandy
>
> sent from the dark side of the moon
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Re: Roomba 980 with an app!

[Brent Harding]

What makes these special compared to the cheaper ones before? I could see 
the utility in having a robotic vacuum because there's always those little 
spots one might miss around something, and I'd imagine it can do a better 
job than many of us.
- Original Message - 
From: "Peter Logan" <pdlloga...@gmail.com>

To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 2:27 PM
Subject: Re: Roomba 980 with an app!


Ok, my unit arrived a couple of hours ago.  Setting it up was quite easy. 
There are a couple of really good unboxing videos on You Tube that might 
help.  The app has a few places where things aren't labelled the best, but 
you should be able to figure it out.  The basic things are all accessible...


Fired Mr. Roboto up...you can name the unit .. And he took off.  Did a 
pretty decent job ...


My suggestion is to make sure you buy it from a place that will allow you to 
return.  With spending almost $1K, you want to make sure it does all that 
you expect.


Sent from my iPhone

On May 27, 2016, at 6:15 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
<viphone@googlegroups.com> wrote:


Hallo There!

   OK, so I am in the market for a new robot vacuum cleaner. The latest, 
from iRobot's Roomba range, is the 980 and it comes with an app! I want to 
know how accessible it is. I downloaded the app, and it looks OK, but, 
because I haven't, as yet, got the machine, needing to know if it will 
work for me with the app, I can't tell if it is usable with VO.


   So, my question is: does anyone have experience of the app and running 
the 980 Roomba. Now, before you all shout at me for profligacy, I know it 
costs an arm and a leg! I can only say that I have been seduced by the 
hype! I have long term experience of the Roombas and love them! This new 
one, not only has an app which should help with error analysis, but will 
allow me to start the thing off from anywhere and, it says, it will do the 
whole of one level of my house, going back to the charger for a refuel 
session and then continue where it left off.


   Anyway, I am almost convinced, but, with such a large outlay, just need 
to know about the accessibility.


   Can you help?

   Sandy

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Re: Roomba 980 with an app!

[Peter Logan]

Ok, my unit arrived a couple of hours ago.  Setting it up was quite easy.  
There are a couple of really good unboxing videos on You Tube that might help.  
The app has a few places where things aren't labelled the best, but you should 
be able to figure it out.  The basic things are all accessible...

Fired Mr. Roboto up...you can name the unit .. And he took off.  Did a pretty 
decent job ... 

My suggestion is to make sure you buy it from a place that will allow you to 
return.  With spending almost $1K, you want to make sure it does all that you 
expect.  

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 27, 2016, at 6:15 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
> <viphone@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> 
> Hallo There!
> 
>OK, so I am in the market for a new robot vacuum cleaner. The latest, from 
> iRobot's Roomba range, is the 980 and it comes with an app! I want to know 
> how accessible it is. I downloaded the app, and it looks OK, but, because I 
> haven't, as yet, got the machine, needing to know if it will work for me with 
> the app, I can't tell if it is usable with VO.
> 
>So, my question is: does anyone have experience of the app and running the 
> 980 Roomba. Now, before you all shout at me for profligacy, I know it costs 
> an arm and a leg! I can only say that I have been seduced by the hype! I have 
> long term experience of the Roombas and love them! This new one, not only has 
> an app which should help with error analysis, but will allow me to start the 
> thing off from anywhere and, it says, it will do the whole of one level of my 
> house, going back to the charger for a refuel session and then continue where 
> it left off.
> 
>Anyway, I am almost convinced, but, with such a large outlay, just need to 
> know about the accessibility.
> 
>Can you help?
> 
>Sandy 
> 
> sent from the dark side of the moon
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Re: Roomba 980 with an app!

[Bill Gallik]

What exactly is the name of the app - I’d like to locate it in the app store?
* * * * * * * * *
Bill Gallik
wfgal...@icloud.com


> On May 27, 2016, at 11:33 AM, Peter Logan <pdlloga...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I actually ordered this particular vacuum yesterday ...  Should be here 
> tomorrow.  After I get it I will let you know ...I also had checked out the 
> app and it looks pretty good ...
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 27, 2016, at 6:15 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
>> <viphone@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hallo There!
>> 
>>   OK, so I am in the market for a new robot vacuum cleaner. The latest, from 
>> iRobot's Roomba range, is the 980 and it comes with an app! I want to know 
>> how accessible it is. I downloaded the app, and it looks OK, but, because I 
>> haven't, as yet, got the machine, needing to know if it will work for me 
>> with the app, I can't tell if it is usable with VO.
>> 
>>   So, my question is: does anyone have experience of the app and running the 
>> 980 Roomba. Now, before you all shout at me for profligacy, I know it costs 
>> an arm and a leg! I can only say that I have been seduced by the hype! I 
>> have long term experience of the Roombas and love them! This new one, not 
>> only has an app which should help with error analysis, but will allow me to 
>> start the thing off from anywhere and, it says, it will do the whole of one 
>> level of my house, going back to the charger for a refuel session and then 
>> continue where it left off.
>> 
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>>   Sandy 
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Re: Roomba 980 with an app!

[Peter Logan]

Hello,

I actually ordered this particular vacuum yesterday ...  Should be here 
tomorrow.  After I get it I will let you know ...I also had checked out the app 
and it looks pretty good ...

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 27, 2016, at 6:15 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
> <viphone@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> 
> Hallo There!
> 
>OK, so I am in the market for a new robot vacuum cleaner. The latest, from 
> iRobot's Roomba range, is the 980 and it comes with an app! I want to know 
> how accessible it is. I downloaded the app, and it looks OK, but, because I 
> haven't, as yet, got the machine, needing to know if it will work for me with 
> the app, I can't tell if it is usable with VO.
> 
>So, my question is: does anyone have experience of the app and running the 
> 980 Roomba. Now, before you all shout at me for profligacy, I know it costs 
> an arm and a leg! I can only say that I have been seduced by the hype! I have 
> long term experience of the Roombas and love them! This new one, not only has 
> an app which should help with error analysis, but will allow me to start the 
> thing off from anywhere and, it says, it will do the whole of one level of my 
> house, going back to the charger for a refuel session and then continue where 
> it left off.
> 
>Anyway, I am almost convinced, but, with such a large outlay, just need to 
> know about the accessibility.
> 
>Can you help?
> 
>Sandy 
> 
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Roomba 980 with an app!

['Sandratomkins' via VIPhone]

Hallo There!

OK, so I am in the market for a new robot vacuum cleaner. The latest, from 
iRobot's Roomba range, is the 980 and it comes with an app! I want to know how 
accessible it is. I downloaded the app, and it looks OK, but, because I 
haven't, as yet, got the machine, needing to know if it will work for me with 
the app, I can't tell if it is usable with VO.

So, my question is: does anyone have experience of the app and running the 
980 Roomba. Now, before you all shout at me for profligacy, I know it costs an 
arm and a leg! I can only say that I have been seduced by the hype! I have long 
term experience of the Roombas and love them! This new one, not only has an app 
which should help with error analysis, but will allow me to start the thing off 
from anywhere and, it says, it will do the whole of one level of my house, 
going back to the charger for a refuel session and then continue where it left 
off.

Anyway, I am almost convinced, but, with such a large outlay, just need to 
know about the accessibility.

Can you help?

Sandy 

sent from the dark side of the moon

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