[WAMUG] Email question

[FW via WAMUG]

Hello all,

I am using mail (version 12.4) on my Mojave 10.14.6 iMac.

Currently, when I am trying to send an email only one email address (the iiNet 
address)
shows in the “From” line. The other (iCloud) address is no longer available and 
I can not
choose to use it for outgoing mails.

Have looked under Accounts in Mail and the iiNet and iCloud addresses are both 
activated and
I have not made any changes.

Emails sent from someone else to the iCloud address are arriving ok.

Any helpful hints would be appreciated,

Cheers.
Walter
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Re: [WAMUG] Which Email address?

[Alex via WAMUG]

   Thanks again, Daniel. Very helpful & educational,

   Cheers,  Alex

   On 9 Nov 2023, at 11:07 pm, Daniel Kerr via WAMUG
wrote:

   Hi Alex
   No worries at all. All of that from memory too,..though I was out by a
   year or so in one of them, but looked it up. So remembered 2 of the
   years at least…hehe.
   You can use either IMAP or POP into Apple Mail. Generally POP3
   downloads it all from the “server” (ISP) to your computer, so you’re
   using less space.
   IMAP, has the advantage of being in sync across multiple devices. But
   as you fill up space on the server (at your ISP or your host), then
   over time, you need to move emails to local folders.
   Eg. I use IMAP across a laptop, and iMac an iPhone and iPad. Can send
   and receive from all 4 device (5 if I log into webmail to see all
   emails there). But all old emails I move off the server onto local
   folders in Apple Mail under the heading of “On my Mac”. So I can have
   20+ years of emails stored in Apple Mail, but Inbox, Sent, Trash across
   all devices stores a lot less.
   If you keep all the inbox in the server, eventually they advise you
   you’re running out of space and need to a) buy more space or clear out
   old emails.
   You can set up .Mac/@me.com/@iCloud.com into Apple Mail as well. So
   they still can be a) read on devices/computers and b) accessed via
   webmail at iCloud.com. All of that stays in sync. If you’re on the free
   plan, then you can’t go above 5GB storage. If you buy more iCloud
   storage,…then you can store more. And so on.
   Again though, if you move emails off the Inbox (Stored in the hosting
   server,..eg apple’s iCloud) and save it to local folders in Apple Mail
   then it takes it off Apple servers (uses less space) and save it on
   Apple Mail online (ie on your computer and stored locally).
   So using both methods is handy.
   Eg, as mentioned I keep my Inbox and Sent in sync across all devices
   for a short period. Once I’ve dealt with things and don’t need it on
   all devices, then I move those onto local folders in Apple Mail “On My
   Mac”.
   So my inbox may have say 10 emails in (that I’m following things
   up),..but under On My Mac on my laptop (my main machine) I have 22+
   years of emails I can look back up.
   (Which are backed up to multiple hard drives for multiple points of
   failure just incase).
   That’s a sort of brief run down. It can get a bit more complicated,…but
   once set up and working correctly, it works well.
   There’s a bit more detail about it all in that link I sent, so worth a
   read of it all.
   Having MYOB in the cloud version on a computer, will work regardless of
   however you have your email. The two won’t really affect each other.
   Highway1 for example, allow you to IMAP (through Zetta who own it now
   of course) -
   https://www.zetta.net.au/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/H1_email_iphone_ipa
   d_setup_guide.pdf
   So can be used on an iPhone, iPad, Apple Mail on a computer and via
   webmail.
   Bit more info there without going into all the details and in and outs
   / good and bad points for each and how to work it efficiently.
   Kind regards
   Daniel
   —
   Daniel Kerr
   MacWizardry
   p : 0414 795 960
   e : 
   w : <http://www.macwizardry.com.au>
   **For everything Apple**
   Please note : All email, phone and SMS support, troubleshooting or
   consulting will now be charged. An invoice will be sent through on
   completion of support work.

 On 9 Nov 2023, at 10:25 pm, Alex via WAMUG
  wrote:
  Wow! thanks for that Daniel - very extensive explanation.  I guess
 I’m
  still bit confused?
  I take it that with IMAP/POP email accounts you need an ISP to
 “manage”
  its function, whereas all the others, inc Apple’s trio, operate in
 a
  browser?
  My issue is that I am still using MYOB’s Accountedge even though it
 is
  not supported anymore, as I like it & don’t particularly want to
  migrate to their cloud version,  However, I may need to change
 sometime
  in the future anyway, so just trying to understand the situation.
  Thanks, Alex
  On 9 Nov 2023, at 10:03 pm, Daniel Kerr via WAMUG
   wrote:
  Hi Alex
  Mac.com started way back when (2001) when Apple introduced it as
 part
  of iTools (which is what it used to be called).
  They then changed it to @me.com which was part of MobileMe in 2008.
 It
  then went on to become @iCloud.com in 2011 which is the current
 iCloud
  we’re used to now.
  People who have a @Mac.com also automatically got a @me.com which
 also
  got them @iCloud.com.
  But someone who “started” at either points can’t go back.
  Eg. If someone had wa...@mac.com, they got wa...@me.com and also
  wa...@icloud.com.
  But someone who got @me.com can’t have a @Mac.com address.
  And someone who got @iCloud.com can’t have a @Mac.com or @me.com

Re: [WAMUG] Which Email address?

[Daniel Kerr via WAMUG]

Hi Alex

No worries at all. All of that from memory too,..though I was out by a year or 
so in one of them, but looked it up. So remembered 2 of the years at least…hehe.

You can use either IMAP or POP into Apple Mail. Generally POP3 downloads it all 
from the “server” (ISP) to your computer, so you’re using less space.
IMAP, has the advantage of being in sync across multiple devices. But as you 
fill up space on the server (at your ISP or your host), then over time, you 
need to move emails to local folders.
Eg. I use IMAP across a laptop, and iMac an iPhone and iPad. Can send and 
receive from all 4 device (5 if I log into webmail to see all emails there). 
But all old emails I move off the server onto local folders in Apple Mail under 
the heading of “On my Mac”. So I can have 20+ years of emails stored in Apple 
Mail, but Inbox, Sent, Trash across all devices stores a lot less.
If you keep all the inbox in the server, eventually they advise you you’re 
running out of space and need to a) buy more space or clear out old emails.

You can set up .Mac/@me.com/@iCloud.com into Apple Mail as well. So they still 
can be a) read on devices/computers and b) accessed via webmail at iCloud.com. 
All of that stays in sync. If you’re on the free plan, then you can’t go above 
5GB storage. If you buy more iCloud storage,…then you can store more. And so on.
Again though, if you move emails off the Inbox (Stored in the hosting 
server,..eg apple’s iCloud) and save it to local folders in Apple Mail then it 
takes it off Apple servers (uses less space) and save it on Apple Mail online 
(ie on your computer and stored locally).
So using both methods is handy.

Eg, as mentioned I keep my Inbox and Sent in sync across all devices for a 
short period. Once I’ve dealt with things and don’t need it on all devices, 
then I move those onto local folders in Apple Mail “On My Mac”.
So my inbox may have say 10 emails in (that I’m following things up),..but 
under On My Mac on my laptop (my main machine) I have 22+ years of emails I can 
look back up.
(Which are backed up to multiple hard drives for multiple points of failure 
just incase).

That’s a sort of brief run down. It can get a bit more complicated,…but once 
set up and working correctly, it works well.
There’s a bit more detail about it all in that link I sent, so worth a read of 
it all.

Having MYOB in the cloud version on a computer, will work regardless of however 
you have your email. The two won’t really affect each other.


Highway1 for example, allow you to IMAP (through Zetta who own it now of 
course) - 
https://www.zetta.net.au/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/H1_email_iphone_ipad_setup_guide.pdf
So can be used on an iPhone, iPad, Apple Mail on a computer and via webmail.

Bit more info there without going into all the details and in and outs / good 
and bad points for each and how to work it efficiently.

Kind regards
Daniel
—
Daniel Kerr
MacWizardry

p : 0414 795 960
e : 
w : <http://www.macwizardry.com.au>


**For everything Apple**


Please note : All email, phone and SMS support, troubleshooting or consulting 
will now be charged. An invoice will be sent through on completion of support 
work.



> On 9 Nov 2023, at 10:25 pm, Alex via WAMUG  wrote:
> 
>   Wow! thanks for that Daniel - very extensive explanation.  I guess I’m
>   still bit confused?
> 
>   I take it that with IMAP/POP email accounts you need an ISP to “manage”
>   its function, whereas all the others, inc Apple’s trio, operate in a
>   browser?
> 
>   My issue is that I am still using MYOB’s Accountedge even though it is
>   not supported anymore, as I like it & don’t particularly want to
>   migrate to their cloud version,  However, I may need to change sometime
>   in the future anyway, so just trying to understand the situation.
> 
>   Thanks, Alex
> 
>   On 9 Nov 2023, at 10:03 pm, Daniel Kerr via WAMUG
>wrote:
> 
>   Hi Alex
>   Mac.com started way back when (2001) when Apple introduced it as part
>   of iTools (which is what it used to be called).
>   They then changed it to @me.com which was part of MobileMe in 2008. It
>   then went on to become @iCloud.com in 2011 which is the current iCloud
>   we’re used to now.
>   People who have a @Mac.com also automatically got a @me.com which also
>   got them @iCloud.com.
>   But someone who “started” at either points can’t go back.
>   Eg. If someone had wa...@mac.com, they got wa...@me.com and also
>   wa...@icloud.com.
>   But someone who got @me.com can’t have a @Mac.com address.
>   And someone who got @iCloud.com can’t have a @Mac.com or @me.com
>   address.
>   Confused? Hehe.
>   I originally got 3 @Mac.com addresses when it first was announced, so I
>   now have all three of those as @Mac.com, @me.com and @iCloud.com with
>   the same thing at the start of all three.
>   And it’s funny, as sometime when 

Re: [WAMUG] Which Email address?

[Alex via WAMUG]

   Wow! thanks for that Daniel - very extensive explanation.  I guess I’m
   still bit confused?

   I take it that with IMAP/POP email accounts you need an ISP to “manage”
   its function, whereas all the others, inc Apple’s trio, operate in a
   browser?

   My issue is that I am still using MYOB’s Accountedge even though it is
   not supported anymore, as I like it & don’t particularly want to
   migrate to their cloud version,  However, I may need to change sometime
   in the future anyway, so just trying to understand the situation.

   Thanks, Alex

   On 9 Nov 2023, at 10:03 pm, Daniel Kerr via WAMUG
wrote:

   Hi Alex
   Mac.com started way back when (2001) when Apple introduced it as part
   of iTools (which is what it used to be called).
   They then changed it to @me.com which was part of MobileMe in 2008. It
   then went on to become @iCloud.com in 2011 which is the current iCloud
   we’re used to now.
   People who have a @Mac.com also automatically got a @me.com which also
   got them @iCloud.com.
   But someone who “started” at either points can’t go back.
   Eg. If someone had wa...@mac.com, they got wa...@me.com and also
   wa...@icloud.com.
   But someone who got @me.com can’t have a @Mac.com address.
   And someone who got @iCloud.com can’t have a @Mac.com or @me.com
   address.
   Confused? Hehe.
   I originally got 3 @Mac.com addresses when it first was announced, so I
   now have all three of those as @Mac.com, @me.com and @iCloud.com with
   the same thing at the start of all three.
   And it’s funny, as sometime when I talk to Apple support and give them
   my @Mac.com address they ask “oh,..how did you get that”. So I have to
   explain the above to them about how it all started and is now their
   iCloud.
   I think the “worst” comeback I got was,..wow,..you must be old to be
   around that long!
   H,..thanks! lol.
   But yes all three of the above are Apple’s equivalent to a free
   @gmail.com or @hotmail.com or @outlook.com free email addresses.
   RE Apple Mail.
   Apple Mail will handle POP, IMAP, Exchange accounts. So it can be set
   up for all three.
   Generally speaking most ISP’s or email addresses these days use IMAP as
   default. But you can still set it back to POP3. But most prefer IMAP.
   Exchange set up in Apple Mail is used to connect a Microsoft Exchange
   account into Apple mail.
   And Apple Mail can also be set up to connect to a free @gmail.com
   account as well.
   So you can in effect have as many type of emails as you want.
   My Apple Mail currently checks 10 different email addresses for the
   various things I run. With a mixture of mostly IMAP accounts, 2 Gmail
   accounts (which I only use for support and checking things) and 1
   Microsoft Exchange account also used to support Exchange for people.
   But primarily I use IMAP for everything. As it works very well.
   This is an old article, but also helps explain the differences quite
   well -
   https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/pop-vs-imap/
   Hope that helps make a bit more sense of it all. :)
   Kind regards
   Daniel
   ---
   Daniel Kerr
   MacWizardry
   p : 0414 795 960
   e : 
   w : <http://www.macwizardry.com.au>
   **For everything Apple**
   NOTE: Any information provided in this email may be my personal opinion
   and as such should be taken accordingly, and may not be the views of
   MacWizardry. Any information provided does not offer or warrant any
   form of warranty or accept liability. It would be appreciated that if
   any information in this email is to be disseminated, distributed or
   copied, that permission by the author be requested.

 On 9 Nov 2023, at 9:28 pm, Alex via WAMUG 
 wrote:
  Are [1]mac.com & [2]me.com the same type of email programmes
 (forgotten
  what they are called) as gmail/hot mail etc?  Is Apple Mail a POP
  programme?
  Cheers,  Alex
  On 9 Nov 2023, at 8:06 am, Rod Blitvich via WAMUG
   wrote:
Thank you everyone.
I have opted in to The Messaging Company (I think following
 Daniel
  K’s
instructions).
I have changed my “send new mail address" in Apple Mail to
[1]bli...@mac.com
I will also keep my iinet address and review this when TMC decide
 to
start charging.
I guess I have a year to change email address for various
accounts/logins from my iinet one to my mac.com one.
Cheers
Blitto
Rod Blitvich  - Amy & Sam’s Dad
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
On 2 Nov 2023, at 6:05 pm, Marcus Harris via WAMUG
 wrote:
As I understand the situation, IINET or WESTNET are the internet
service providers and that won’t change.
One isn’t obliged to use @ iinet or @ westnet.
I haven’t used those addresses for several years and I’m happy
 with
  all
the apple addresses @me @ Mac @ iCloud.
Cheers
  

Re: [WAMUG] Which Email address?

[Daniel Kerr via WAMUG]

Hi Alex

Mac.com started way back when (2001) when Apple introduced it as part of iTools 
(which is what it used to be called).
They then changed it to @me.com which was part of MobileMe in 2008. It then 
went on to become @iCloud.com in 2011 which is the current iCloud we’re used to 
now.
People who have a @Mac.com also automatically got a @me.com which also got them 
@iCloud.com. 
But someone who “started” at either points can’t go back.

Eg. If someone had wa...@mac.com, they got wa...@me.com and also 
wa...@icloud.com.
But someone who got @me.com can’t have a @Mac.com address. 
And someone who got @iCloud.com can’t have a @Mac.com or @me.com address.

Confused? Hehe. 
I originally got 3 @Mac.com addresses when it first was announced, so I now 
have all three of those as @Mac.com, @me.com and @iCloud.com with the same 
thing at the start of all three.
And it’s funny, as sometime when I talk to Apple support and give them my 
@Mac.com address they ask “oh,..how did you get that”. So I have to explain the 
above to them about how it all started and is now their iCloud.
I think the “worst” comeback I got was,..wow,..you must be old to be around 
that long! 
H,..thanks! lol.

But yes all three of the above are Apple’s equivalent to a free @gmail.com or 
@hotmail.com or @outlook.com free email addresses.

RE Apple Mail.
Apple Mail will handle POP, IMAP, Exchange accounts. So it can be set up for 
all three.
Generally speaking most ISP’s or email addresses these days use IMAP as 
default. But you can still set it back to POP3. But most prefer IMAP.
Exchange set up in Apple Mail is used to connect a Microsoft Exchange account 
into Apple mail.
And Apple Mail can also be set up to connect to a free @gmail.com account as 
well.

So you can in effect have as many type of emails as you want.
My Apple Mail currently checks 10 different email addresses for the various 
things I run. With a mixture of mostly IMAP accounts, 2 Gmail accounts (which I 
only use for support and checking things) and 1 Microsoft Exchange account also 
used to support Exchange for people.
But primarily I use IMAP for everything. As it works very well.

This is an old article, but also helps explain the differences quite well -
https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/pop-vs-imap/

Hope that helps make a bit more sense of it all. :)

Kind regards
Daniel

---
Daniel Kerr
MacWizardry

p : 0414 795 960
e : 
w : <http://www.macwizardry.com.au>


**For everything Apple**

NOTE: Any information provided in this email may be my personal opinion and as 
such should be taken accordingly, and may not be the views of MacWizardry. Any 
information provided does not offer or warrant any form of warranty or accept 
liability. It would be appreciated that if any information in this email is to 
be disseminated, distributed or copied, that permission by the author be 
requested. 

> On 9 Nov 2023, at 9:28 pm, Alex via WAMUG  wrote:
> 
>   Are [1]mac.com & [2]me.com the same type of email programmes (forgotten
>   what they are called) as gmail/hot mail etc?  Is Apple Mail a POP
>   programme?
> 
>   Cheers,  Alex
> 
>   On 9 Nov 2023, at 8:06 am, Rod Blitvich via WAMUG
>wrote:
> 
> Thank you everyone.
> I have opted in to The Messaging Company (I think following Daniel
>   K’s
> instructions).
> I have changed my “send new mail address" in Apple Mail to
> [1]bli...@mac.com
> I will also keep my iinet address and review this when TMC decide to
> start charging.
> I guess I have a year to change email address for various
> accounts/logins from my iinet one to my mac.com one.
> Cheers
> Blitto
> Rod Blitvich  - Amy & Sam’s Dad
> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
> On 2 Nov 2023, at 6:05 pm, Marcus Harris via WAMUG
>  wrote:
> As I understand the situation, IINET or WESTNET are the internet
> service providers and that won’t change.
> One isn’t obliged to use @ iinet or @ westnet.
> I haven’t used those addresses for several years and I’m happy with
>   all
> the apple addresses @me @ Mac @ iCloud.
> Cheers
> Marcus
> Marcus Harris
> Mobile +61417965618
>   On 2 Nov 2023, at 2:56 pm, Peter Crisp via WAMUG
>wrote:
>      Hi Rod, I am with Westnet as my ISP - same org as iinet I
>   understand.
>Westnet advised me a couple of months back too they are
>   outsourcing
>   the
>email management. This was received with big groans. However,
>   Westnet
>(and iinet) are outsourcing the email management to The Messaging
>Company. You have the choice to Opt In to their plan, in which
>   case
>they will manage the full migration of your Westnet (or iinet)
>   Mail
>accounts to The Messaging Company, but

Re: [WAMUG] Which Email address?

[Alex via WAMUG]

   Are [1]mac.com & [2]me.com the same type of email programmes (forgotten
   what they are called) as gmail/hot mail etc?  Is Apple Mail a POP
   programme?

   Cheers,  Alex

   On 9 Nov 2023, at 8:06 am, Rod Blitvich via WAMUG
wrote:

 Thank you everyone.
 I have opted in to The Messaging Company (I think following Daniel
   K’s
 instructions).
 I have changed my “send new mail address" in Apple Mail to
 [1]bli...@mac.com
 I will also keep my iinet address and review this when TMC decide to
 start charging.
 I guess I have a year to change email address for various
 accounts/logins from my iinet one to my mac.com one.
 Cheers
 Blitto
 Rod Blitvich  - Amy & Sam’s Dad
 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
 On 2 Nov 2023, at 6:05 pm, Marcus Harris via WAMUG
  wrote:
 As I understand the situation, IINET or WESTNET are the internet
 service providers and that won’t change.
 One isn’t obliged to use @ iinet or @ westnet.
 I haven’t used those addresses for several years and I’m happy with
   all
 the apple addresses @me @ Mac @ iCloud.
 Cheers
 Marcus
 Marcus Harris
 Mobile +61417965618
   On 2 Nov 2023, at 2:56 pm, Peter Crisp via WAMUG
wrote:
      Hi Rod, I am with Westnet as my ISP - same org as iinet I
   understand.
Westnet advised me a couple of months back too they are
   outsourcing
   the
email management. This was received with big groans. However,
   Westnet
(and iinet) are outsourcing the email management to The Messaging
Company. You have the choice to Opt In to their plan, in which
   case
they will manage the full migration of your Westnet (or iinet)
   Mail
accounts to The Messaging Company, but importantly you will keep
exactly the same email address afterwards. I have opted in as
   making a
change to a different email address would be a huge undertaking
   with
all the tangles with multiple other subscriptions, providers etc
   my
email address is associated with. Same to for the 4 other family
members in my family. I dug further into this - the first year of
   email
management is free with The Messaging Company and then from year
   2,
they will charge a fee for the email management. If I look at my
Westnet plan, the current email management fee will disappear form
   day
1 after migration and thereafter. I don't know yet how much The
Messaging Company will charge from year 2.
You can ring the helpline for further details if other questions
   or
there is an FAQ page for the commonly asked questions.
Kind Regards
Peter Crisp
  - Original Message -
From:
"WAMUG" 
To:
  "WAMUG" 
Cc:
  "Rod Blitvich" 
Sent:
  Thu, 2 Nov 2023 14:13:05 +0800
    Subject:
  [WAMUG] Which Email address?
  Hi Folks
  So iinet email is shifting to another provider.
  Please can you suggest which email address should now I use as
   my
  primary address?
  I currently use rb...@iinet.net.au
  I have the following email addresses:
  rb...@iinet.net.au
  bli...@mac.com
  bli...@icloud.com
  I am thinking of making bli...@mac.com as my primary address
  Thank you
  Rod Blitvich
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Re: [WAMUG] Which Email address?

[Stephen Chape via WAMUG]

   Big slow job.

   Took me several months gradually Robin.

   On 9 Nov 2023, at 10:56 am, Robin Belford via WAMUG
wrote:

   Yes, my plan in the long term is similar.
   The process will be slow though as of the 705 entries, for various web
   sites/organisations etc, in my password manager almost all of them have
   an email address for the username and they do not have a separate field
   in the account profile for a separate contact email address.
   Thus it is problematic if an old username/email address is abandoned
   then the password recovery or even continued usage of that account
   could become very difficult.
   ymmv
   cheers,
   Robin

 On 9 Nov 2023, at 10:31 am, Stephen Chape via WAMUG
  wrote:
  Good idea Rod.
  Exactly what I advised my kids and grandkids.
  On 9 Nov 2023, at 8:06 am, Rod Blitvich via WAMUG
   wrote:
Thank you everyone.
I have opted in to The Messaging Company (I think following
 Daniel
  K’s
instructions).
I have changed my “send new mail address" in Apple Mail to
[1]bli...@mac.com
I will also keep my iinet address and review this when TMC decide
 to
start charging.
I guess I have a year to change email address for various
accounts/logins from my iinet one to my mac.com one.
Cheers
Blitto
Rod Blitvich  - Amy & Sam’s Dad
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
On 2 Nov 2023, at 6:05 pm, Marcus Harris via WAMUG
 wrote:
As I understand the situation, IINET or WESTNET are the internet
service providers and that won’t change.
One isn’t obliged to use @ iinet or @ westnet.
I haven’t used those addresses for several years and I’m happy
 with
  all
the apple addresses @me @ Mac @ iCloud.
Cheers
Marcus
Marcus Harris
Mobile +61417965618
  On 2 Nov 2023, at 2:56 pm, Peter Crisp via WAMUG
   wrote:
     Hi Rod, I am with Westnet as my ISP - same org as iinet I
  understand.
   Westnet advised me a couple of months back too they are
  outsourcing
  the
   email management. This was received with big groans. However,
  Westnet
   (and iinet) are outsourcing the email management to The
 Messaging
   Company. You have the choice to Opt In to their plan, in which
  case
   they will manage the full migration of your Westnet (or iinet)
  Mail
   accounts to The Messaging Company, but importantly you will
 keep
   exactly the same email address afterwards. I have opted in as
  making a
   change to a different email address would be a huge
 undertaking
  with
   all the tangles with multiple other subscriptions, providers
 etc
  my
   email address is associated with. Same to for the 4 other
 family
   members in my family. I dug further into this - the first year
 of
  email
   management is free with The Messaging Company and then from
 year
  2,
   they will charge a fee for the email management. If I look at
 my
   Westnet plan, the current email management fee will disappear
 form
  day
   1 after migration and thereafter. I don't know yet how much
 The
   Messaging Company will charge from year 2.
   You can ring the helpline for further details if other
 questions
  or
   there is an FAQ page for the commonly asked questions.
   Kind Regards
   Peter Crisp
 - Original Message -
   From:
   "WAMUG" 
   To:
 "WAMUG" 
   Cc:
 "Rod Blitvich" 
   Sent:
 Thu, 2 Nov 2023 14:13:05 +0800
   Subject:
 [WAMUG] Which Email address?
     Hi Folks
 So iinet email is shifting to another provider.
     Please can you suggest which email address should now I use
 as
  my
 primary address?
 I currently use rb...@iinet.net.au
 I have the following email addresses:
 rb...@iinet.net.au
 bli...@mac.com
 bli...@icloud.com
 I am thinking of making bli...@mac.com as my primary address
 Thank you
 Rod Blitvich
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Re: [WAMUG] Which Email address?

[Robin Belford via WAMUG]

Yes, my plan in the long term is similar.

The process will be slow though as of the 705 entries, for various web 
sites/organisations etc, in my password manager almost all of them have an 
email address for the username and they do not have a separate field in the 
account profile for a separate contact email address.
Thus it is problematic if an old username/email address is abandoned then the 
password recovery or even continued usage of that account could become very 
difficult.

ymmv

cheers,

Robin

> On 9 Nov 2023, at 10:31 am, Stephen Chape via WAMUG 
>  wrote:
> 
>   Good idea Rod.
> 
>   Exactly what I advised my kids and grandkids.
> 
>   On 9 Nov 2023, at 8:06 am, Rod Blitvich via WAMUG
>wrote:
> 
> Thank you everyone.
> I have opted in to The Messaging Company (I think following Daniel
>   K’s
> instructions).
> I have changed my “send new mail address" in Apple Mail to
> [1]bli...@mac.com
> I will also keep my iinet address and review this when TMC decide to
> start charging.
> I guess I have a year to change email address for various
> accounts/logins from my iinet one to my mac.com one.
> Cheers
> Blitto
> Rod Blitvich  - Amy & Sam’s Dad
> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
> On 2 Nov 2023, at 6:05 pm, Marcus Harris via WAMUG
>  wrote:
> As I understand the situation, IINET or WESTNET are the internet
> service providers and that won’t change.
> One isn’t obliged to use @ iinet or @ westnet.
> I haven’t used those addresses for several years and I’m happy with
>   all
> the apple addresses @me @ Mac @ iCloud.
> Cheers
> Marcus
> Marcus Harris
> Mobile +61417965618
>   On 2 Nov 2023, at 2:56 pm, Peter Crisp via WAMUG
>wrote:
>      Hi Rod, I am with Westnet as my ISP - same org as iinet I
>   understand.
>Westnet advised me a couple of months back too they are
>   outsourcing
>   the
>email management. This was received with big groans. However,
>   Westnet
>(and iinet) are outsourcing the email management to The Messaging
>Company. You have the choice to Opt In to their plan, in which
>   case
>they will manage the full migration of your Westnet (or iinet)
>   Mail
>accounts to The Messaging Company, but importantly you will keep
>exactly the same email address afterwards. I have opted in as
>   making a
>change to a different email address would be a huge undertaking
>   with
>all the tangles with multiple other subscriptions, providers etc
>   my
>email address is associated with. Same to for the 4 other family
>members in my family. I dug further into this - the first year of
>   email
>    management is free with The Messaging Company and then from year
>   2,
>they will charge a fee for the email management. If I look at my
>Westnet plan, the current email management fee will disappear form
>   day
>1 after migration and thereafter. I don't know yet how much The
>Messaging Company will charge from year 2.
>You can ring the helpline for further details if other questions
>   or
>there is an FAQ page for the commonly asked questions.
>Kind Regards
>Peter Crisp
>  - Original Message -
>From:
>"WAMUG" 
>To:
>  "WAMUG" 
>Cc:
>  "Rod Blitvich" 
>Sent:
>  Thu, 2 Nov 2023 14:13:05 +0800
>Subject:
>  [WAMUG] Which Email address?
>  Hi Folks
>  So iinet email is shifting to another provider.
>  Please can you suggest which email address should now I use as
>   my
>  primary address?
>  I currently use rb...@iinet.net.au
>  I have the following email addresses:
>  rb...@iinet.net.au
>  bli...@mac.com
>  bli...@icloud.com
>  I am thinking of making bli...@mac.com as my primary address
>  Thank you
>  Rod Blitvich
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Re: [WAMUG] Which Email address?

[Stephen Chape via WAMUG]

   Good idea Rod.

   Exactly what I advised my kids and grandkids.

   On 9 Nov 2023, at 8:06 am, Rod Blitvich via WAMUG
wrote:

 Thank you everyone.
 I have opted in to The Messaging Company (I think following Daniel
   K’s
 instructions).
 I have changed my “send new mail address" in Apple Mail to
 [1]bli...@mac.com
 I will also keep my iinet address and review this when TMC decide to
 start charging.
 I guess I have a year to change email address for various
 accounts/logins from my iinet one to my mac.com one.
 Cheers
 Blitto
 Rod Blitvich  - Amy & Sam’s Dad
 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
 On 2 Nov 2023, at 6:05 pm, Marcus Harris via WAMUG
  wrote:
 As I understand the situation, IINET or WESTNET are the internet
 service providers and that won’t change.
 One isn’t obliged to use @ iinet or @ westnet.
 I haven’t used those addresses for several years and I’m happy with
   all
 the apple addresses @me @ Mac @ iCloud.
 Cheers
 Marcus
 Marcus Harris
 Mobile +61417965618
   On 2 Nov 2023, at 2:56 pm, Peter Crisp via WAMUG
wrote:
      Hi Rod, I am with Westnet as my ISP - same org as iinet I
   understand.
Westnet advised me a couple of months back too they are
   outsourcing
   the
email management. This was received with big groans. However,
   Westnet
(and iinet) are outsourcing the email management to The Messaging
Company. You have the choice to Opt In to their plan, in which
   case
they will manage the full migration of your Westnet (or iinet)
   Mail
accounts to The Messaging Company, but importantly you will keep
exactly the same email address afterwards. I have opted in as
   making a
change to a different email address would be a huge undertaking
   with
all the tangles with multiple other subscriptions, providers etc
   my
email address is associated with. Same to for the 4 other family
members in my family. I dug further into this - the first year of
   email
management is free with The Messaging Company and then from year
   2,
they will charge a fee for the email management. If I look at my
Westnet plan, the current email management fee will disappear form
   day
1 after migration and thereafter. I don't know yet how much The
Messaging Company will charge from year 2.
You can ring the helpline for further details if other questions
   or
there is an FAQ page for the commonly asked questions.
Kind Regards
Peter Crisp
  - Original Message -
From:
"WAMUG" 
To:
  "WAMUG" 
Cc:
  "Rod Blitvich" 
Sent:
  Thu, 2 Nov 2023 14:13:05 +0800
    Subject:
  [WAMUG] Which Email address?
  Hi Folks
  So iinet email is shifting to another provider.
  Please can you suggest which email address should now I use as
   my
  primary address?
  I currently use rb...@iinet.net.au
  I have the following email addresses:
  rb...@iinet.net.au
  bli...@mac.com
  bli...@icloud.com
  I am thinking of making bli...@mac.com as my primary address
  Thank you
  Rod Blitvich
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Re: [WAMUG] Which Email address?

[Rod Blitvich via WAMUG]

   Thank you everyone.

   I have opted in to The Messaging Company (I think following Daniel K’s
   instructions).

   I have changed my “send new mail address" in Apple Mail to
   [1]bli...@mac.com

   I will also keep my iinet address and review this when TMC decide to
   start charging.

   I guess I have a year to change email address for various
   accounts/logins from my iinet one to my mac.com one.

   Cheers

   Blitto
   Rod Blitvich  - Amy & Sam’s Dad
   . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

   On 2 Nov 2023, at 6:05 pm, Marcus Harris via WAMUG
wrote:

   As I understand the situation, IINET or WESTNET are the internet
   service providers and that won’t change.
   One isn’t obliged to use @ iinet or @ westnet.
   I haven’t used those addresses for several years and I’m happy with all
   the apple addresses @me @ Mac @ iCloud.
   Cheers
   Marcus
   Marcus Harris
   Mobile +61417965618

 On 2 Nov 2023, at 2:56 pm, Peter Crisp via WAMUG
  wrote:
    Hi Rod, I am with Westnet as my ISP - same org as iinet I
 understand.
  Westnet advised me a couple of months back too they are outsourcing
 the
  email management. This was received with big groans. However,
 Westnet
  (and iinet) are outsourcing the email management to The Messaging
  Company. You have the choice to Opt In to their plan, in which case
  they will manage the full migration of your Westnet (or iinet) Mail
  accounts to The Messaging Company, but importantly you will keep
  exactly the same email address afterwards. I have opted in as
 making a
  change to a different email address would be a huge undertaking
 with
  all the tangles with multiple other subscriptions, providers etc my
  email address is associated with. Same to for the 4 other family
  members in my family. I dug further into this - the first year of
 email
  management is free with The Messaging Company and then from year 2,
  they will charge a fee for the email management. If I look at my
  Westnet plan, the current email management fee will disappear form
 day
  1 after migration and thereafter. I don't know yet how much The
  Messaging Company will charge from year 2.
  You can ring the helpline for further details if other questions or
  there is an FAQ page for the commonly asked questions.
  Kind Regards
  Peter Crisp
- Original Message -
  From:
  "WAMUG" 
  To:
"WAMUG" 
  Cc:
"Rod Blitvich" 
  Sent:
Thu, 2 Nov 2023 14:13:05 +0800
      Subject:
[WAMUG] Which Email address?
Hi Folks
So iinet email is shifting to another provider.
    Please can you suggest which email address should now I use as my
primary address?
I currently use rb...@iinet.net.au
I have the following email addresses:
rb...@iinet.net.au
bli...@mac.com
bli...@icloud.com
I am thinking of making bli...@mac.com as my primary address
Thank you
Rod Blitvich
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Re: [WAMUG] Which Email address?

[Peter Crisp via WAMUG]

   Hi Wendy, perhaps iinet domain emailers have had some differing
   treatment to westent.com.au domain emailers and it's in a transition
   phase where we ill all potentially migrate to.  I've not had the
   problem you indicated yet but I suggest talking to iinet support and
   they may push you on to speak with TMC support people. I think explain
   the problem you're having and ask them what the solution is.

   Kind Regards

   Pete

 - Original Message -

   From:
   "WAMUG" 

   To:

 "WAMUG" 

   Cc:

 

   Sent:

 Tue, 07 Nov 2023 15:23:36 +0800

   Subject:

     Re: [WAMUG] Which Email address?
 Hi Pete, Robin and Stephen
 I am accessing Webmail through my browser Firefox.  This goes back
 to
 the early days when we travelled and I wanted to check my emails.  I
 didn't want my emails downloaded to an internet cafe and then not
 visible at our next destination.
 When I ask for webmail using the old method I used for iinet I now
 get
 a TMC logon screen.  I log on to this using my internet name and
 password and this takes me to the old webmail sign-on screen.I log
 on
 again and it works well.
 I have tired to use Apple 'Mail' and it is pretty good but old
 habits
 are hard to change  I am used to the 'layout' of webmail.  Much to
 the frustration of my daughter!
 Re those companies sending stuff by letter mail telling me that
 they've been unable to send an email;   has anyone else had this
 problem?
 Many thanksWendy
 _Friends of Gabbiljee respectfully acknowledges that it is located
 on
 the land of the Whadjuk Noongar people. _

 - Original Message -
 From: "WAMUG"
 To:"WAMUG"
 Cc:"Stephen Chape"
 Sent:Sat, 4 Nov 2023 22:15:16 +0800
 Subject:Re: [WAMUG] Which Email address?
 Hi Wendy … you have me intrigued.
 Why do you now log in to The Messaging Co ?
 My daughter is with Westnet.
 She simply she followed the steps suggested by Westnet to retain her
 email address
 by the due date and nothing has changed.
 > On 4 Nov 2023, at 6:51 pm, Pete via WAMUG wrote:
 >
 > Thanks and agreed Robin. Completely frictionless as you say.
 >
 > Regards
 >
 > Pete
 >
 >> On 4 Nov 2023, at 6:12 pm, Robin Belford via WAMUG wrote:
 >>
 >> Hi Wendy,
 >>
 >> I’m not sure you have fully understood the minimal effect on the
 user that the transfer of the email hosting of iinet, westnet et.
     al.
 email services actually entails.
 >> Now perhaps because you appear to be accessing your email via a
 web browser you are experiencing the dual login dance (it sounds
 absurd to me).
 >>
 >> You could consider using an email client, such as Mail, which
 comes installed on every macintosh and iPhone.
 >> Using these services I, my wife, and my children have experienced
 a frictionless transition.
 >> Infact they don’t really know, or care, who is managing their
 email hosting
 >> All they care about is continuity of service, which they have
     experienced.
 >>
 >> As for your assertion that third party companies, such as
 Medibank
 etc. expect you to change your email address is a complete nonsense.
 >> If that is what you have been told you, have been badly advised.
 >>
 >> You just keep using your westnet/iinet/ address as if nothing has
 happened.
 >>
 >> Regards,
 >>
 >> Robin
 >>
 >>
 >>
 >>
 >>> On 4 Nov 2023, at 5:40 pm, wendy.corrick--- via WAMUG wrote:
 >>>
 >>> Yep Peter I agree with your good summary.
 >>>
 >>> I too have an iinet address (one of their very early customers
 in
 fact)
 >>> and I did more than groan when I heard they intended to out
 source the
 >>> management of their iinet email customers.
 >>>
 >>> I did it by the due date and now log in to The Messaging Company
 first;
 >>> this takes me automatically to the familiar iinet screen where I
 log in
 >>> again.
 >>>
 >>> All is OK; except many companies eg Medibank assume that ALL
 iinet
 >>> customers MUST change their address. Our postman (the one that
 goes
 >>> around the streets delivering mail) is weighed down by the
 numbers of
 >>> letters this household has received requesting us to let the
 company
 >>> know of our new email address. (I exaggerate a bit there!) What
 I
 >>> haven't worked out is are these companies

Re: [WAMUG] Which Email address?

[wendy.corrick--- via WAMUG]

   Hi Pete, Robin and Stephen

   I am accessing Webmail through my browser Firefox.  This goes back to
   the early days when we travelled and I wanted to check my emails.  I
   didn't want my emails downloaded to an internet cafe and then not
   visible at our next destination.

   When I ask for webmail using the old method I used for iinet I now get
   a TMC logon screen.  I log on to this using my internet name and
   password and this takes me to the old webmail sign-on screen.

   I log on again and it works well.

   I have tired to use Apple 'Mail' and it is pretty good but old habits
   are hard to change.  I am used to the 'layout' of webmail.  Much to the
   frustration of my daughter!

   Re those companies sending stuff by letter mail telling me that they've
   been unable to send an email;   has anyone else had this problem?

   Many thanks

   Wendy

   Friends of Gabbiljee respectfully acknowledges that it is located on
   the land of the Whadjuk Noongar people.


 - Original Message -

   From:
   "WAMUG" 

   To:

 "WAMUG" 

   Cc:

 "Stephen Chape" 

   Sent:

 Sat, 4 Nov 2023 22:15:16 +0800

   Subject:

 Re: [WAMUG] Which Email address?
 Hi Wendy … you have me intrigued.
 Why do you now log in to The Messaging Co ?
 My daughter is with Westnet.
 She simply she followed the steps suggested by Westnet to retain her
 email address
 by the due date and nothing has changed.
 > On 4 Nov 2023, at 6:51 pm, Pete via WAMUG
  wrote:
 >
 > Thanks and agreed Robin. Completely frictionless as you say.
 >
 > Regards
 >
 > Pete
 >
 >> On 4 Nov 2023, at 6:12 pm, Robin Belford via WAMUG
  wrote:
 >>
 >> Hi Wendy,
 >>
 >> I’m not sure you have fully understood the minimal effect on the
 user that the transfer of the email hosting of iinet, westnet et.
 al. email services actually entails.
 >> Now perhaps because you appear to be accessing your email via a
 web browser you are experiencing the dual login dance (it sounds
 absurd to me).
 >>
 >> You could consider using an email client, such as Mail, which
 comes installed on every macintosh and iPhone.
 >> Using these services I, my wife, and my children have experienced
 a frictionless transition.
 >> Infact they don’t really know, or care, who is managing their
 email hosting.
 >> All they care about is continuity of service, which they have
 experienced
 >>
 >> As for your assertion that third party companies, such as
 Medibank etc. expect you to change your email address is a complete
 nonsense.
 >> If that is what you have been told you, have been badly advised.
 >>
 >> You just keep using your westnet/iinet/ address as if nothing has
 happened.
 >>
 >> Regards,
 >>
 >> Robin
 >>
 >>
 >>
 >>
 >>> On 4 Nov 2023, at 5:40 pm, wendy.corrick--- via WAMUG
  wrote:
 >>>
 >>> Yep Peter I agree with your good summary.
 >>>
 >>> I too have an iinet address (one of their very early customers
 in fact)
 >>> and I did more than groan when I heard they intended to out
 source the
 >>> management of their iinet email customers.
 >>>
 >>> I did it by the due date and now log in to The Messaging Company
 first;
 >>> this takes me automatically to the familiar iinet screen where I
 log in
 >>> again.
 >>>
 >>> All is OK; except many companies eg Medibank assume that ALL
 iinet
 >>> customers MUST change their address. Our postman (the one that
 goes
 >>> around the streets delivering mail) is weighed down by the
 numbers of
 >>> letters this household has received requesting us to let the
 company
 >>> know of our new email address. (I exaggerate a bit there!) What
 I
 >>> haven't worked out is are these companies responding to some
 emails
 >>> that bounced? or are they just assuming that all iinet customers
 need
 >>> to change their address.
 >>>
 >>> It is becoming a real problem; and very time consuming in trying
 to
 >>> contact each company to tell them my address is valid.
 >>>
 >>> Whether or not the Messaging Company will be happy to have all
 these
 >>> iinet customers after the first year we will just have to wait
 and
 >>> see.. Along with how much they charge us.
 >>>
 >>> Best wishes all
 &g

Re: [WAMUG] Which Email address?

[Peter Crisp via WAMUG]

   HI Stephen, yes by simply “Opting In” to have Westnet migrate your
   email service to TMC, you’re merely saying to Westnet - at the deadline
   date, transition my email service to TMC. I don’t believe the
   transition has happened yet. The greeting email we received upon
   “Opting In” said to wait for further instructions which will be
   delivered later. In the meantime time continue to use the Westnet
   webmail page if that is what you use, as I do sometimes (when on my
   work Windows laptop).

   Regards
   Pete

 On 4 Nov 2023, at 10:15 pm, Stephen Chape 
 wrote:

   

 Hi Wendy … you have me intrigued.

   Why do you now log in to The Messaging Co ?

   My daughter is with Westnet.

   She simply she followed the steps suggested by Westnet to retain her
   email address

   by the due date and nothing has changed.

   On 4 Nov 2023, at 6:51 pm, Pete via WAMUG 
   wrote:

   Thanks and agreed Robin. Completely frictionless as you say.
   Regards
   Pete

 On 4 Nov 2023, at 6:12 pm, Robin Belford via WAMUG
  wrote:
 Hi Wendy,
 I’m not sure you have fully understood the minimal effect on the
 user that the transfer of the email hosting of iinet, westnet et.
 al. email services actually entails.
 Now perhaps because you appear to be accessing your email via a web
 browser you are experiencing the dual login dance (it sounds absurd
 to me).
 You could consider using an email client, such as Mail, which comes
 installed on every macintosh and iPhone.
 Using these services I, my wife, and my children have experienced a
 frictionless transition.
 Infact they don’t really know, or care, who is managing their email
 hosting.
 All they care about is continuity of service, which they have
 experienced.
 As for your assertion that third party companies, such as Medibank
 etc. expect you to change your email address is a complete nonsense.
 If that is what you have been told you, have been badly advised.
 You just keep using your westnet/iinet/ address as if nothing has
 happened.
 Regards,
 Robin

 On 4 Nov 2023, at 5:40 pm, wendy.corrick--- via WAMUG
  wrote:
 Yep Peter I agree with your good summary.
 I too have an iinet address (one of their very early customers in
 fact)
 and I did more than groan when I heard they intended to out source
 the
 management of their iinet email customers.
 I did it by the due date and now log in to The Messaging Company
 first;
 this takes me automatically to the familiar iinet screen where I log
 in
 again.
 All is OK;  except many companies eg Medibank assume that ALL iinet
 customers MUST change their address.  Our postman (the one that goes
 around the streets delivering mail) is weighed down by the numbers
 of
 letters this household has received requesting us to let the company
 know of our new email address.  (I exaggerate a bit there!)  What I
 haven't worked out is are these companies responding to some emails
 that bounced? or are they just assuming that all iinet customers
 need
 to change their address.
 It is becoming a real problem;  and very time consuming in trying to
 contact each company to tell them my address is valid.
 Whether or not the Messaging Company will be happy to have all these
 iinet customers after the first year we will just have to wait and
 see..  Along with how much they charge us.
 Best wishes all
 Wendy
 Friends of Gabbiljee respectfully acknowledges that it is located on
 the land of the Whadjuk Noongar people.
   - Original Message -
 From:
 "WAMUG" 
 To:
   "WAMUG" 
 Cc:
   "Peter Crisp" 
 Sent:
   Thu, 02 Nov 2023 14:55:29 +0800
 Subject:
   Re: [WAMUG] Which Email address?
   Hi Rod, I am with Westnet as my ISP - same org as iinet I
   understand.
   Westnet advised me a couple of months back too they are
     outsourcing
   the email management. This was received with big groans. However,
   Westnet (and iinet) are outsourcing the email management to The
   Messaging Company. You have the choice to Opt In to their plan, in
   which case they will manage the full migration of your Westnet (or
   iinet) Mail accounts to The Messaging Company, but importantly you
   will keep exactly the same email address afterwards. I have opted
 in
   as making a change to a different email address would be a huge
   undertaking with all the tangles with multiple other
 subscriptions,
   providers etc my email address is associated with. Same to for the
 4
   other family members in my family. I dug further into this - the
   first
   year of email management is free with The Messaging Company and
 then
   from year 2, they will charge a fee 

Re: [WAMUG] Which Email address?

[Stephen Chape via WAMUG]

   Hi Wendy … you have me intrigued.

   Why do you now log in to The Messaging Co ?

   My daughter is with Westnet.

   She simply she followed the steps suggested by Westnet to retain her
   email address

   by the due date and nothing has changed.

   On 4 Nov 2023, at 6:51 pm, Pete via WAMUG 
   wrote:

   Thanks and agreed Robin. Completely frictionless as you say.
   Regards
   Pete

 On 4 Nov 2023, at 6:12 pm, Robin Belford via WAMUG
  wrote:
 Hi Wendy,
 I’m not sure you have fully understood the minimal effect on the
 user that the transfer of the email hosting of iinet, westnet et.
 al. email services actually entails.
 Now perhaps because you appear to be accessing your email via a web
 browser you are experiencing the dual login dance (it sounds absurd
 to me).
 You could consider using an email client, such as Mail, which comes
 installed on every macintosh and iPhone.
 Using these services I, my wife, and my children have experienced a
 frictionless transition.
 Infact they don’t really know, or care, who is managing their email
 hosting.
 All they care about is continuity of service, which they have
 experienced.
 As for your assertion that third party companies, such as Medibank
 etc. expect you to change your email address is a complete nonsense.
 If that is what you have been told you, have been badly advised.
 You just keep using your westnet/iinet/ address as if nothing has
 happened.
 Regards,
 Robin

 On 4 Nov 2023, at 5:40 pm, wendy.corrick--- via WAMUG
  wrote:
 Yep Peter I agree with your good summary.
 I too have an iinet address (one of their very early customers in
 fact)
 and I did more than groan when I heard they intended to out source
 the
 management of their iinet email customers.
 I did it by the due date and now log in to The Messaging Company
 first;
 this takes me automatically to the familiar iinet screen where I log
 in
 again.
 All is OK;  except many companies eg Medibank assume that ALL iinet
 customers MUST change their address.  Our postman (the one that goes
 around the streets delivering mail) is weighed down by the numbers
 of
 letters this household has received requesting us to let the company
 know of our new email address.  (I exaggerate a bit there!)  What I
 haven't worked out is are these companies responding to some emails
 that bounced? or are they just assuming that all iinet customers
 need
 to change their address.
 It is becoming a real problem;  and very time consuming in trying to
 contact each company to tell them my address is valid.
 Whether or not the Messaging Company will be happy to have all these
 iinet customers after the first year we will just have to wait and
 see..  Along with how much they charge us.
 Best wishes all
 Wendy
 Friends of Gabbiljee respectfully acknowledges that it is located on
 the land of the Whadjuk Noongar people.
   - Original Message -
 From:
 "WAMUG" 
 To:
   "WAMUG" 
 Cc:
   "Peter Crisp" 
 Sent:
   Thu, 02 Nov 2023 14:55:29 +0800
 Subject:
   Re: [WAMUG] Which Email address?
   Hi Rod, I am with Westnet as my ISP - same org as iinet I
   understand.
   Westnet advised me a couple of months back too they are
     outsourcing
   the email management. This was received with big groans. However,
   Westnet (and iinet) are outsourcing the email management to The
   Messaging Company. You have the choice to Opt In to their plan, in
   which case they will manage the full migration of your Westnet (or
   iinet) Mail accounts to The Messaging Company, but importantly you
   will keep exactly the same email address afterwards. I have opted
 in
   as making a change to a different email address would be a huge
   undertaking with all the tangles with multiple other
 subscriptions,
   providers etc my email address is associated with. Same to for the
 4
   other family members in my family. I dug further into this - the
   first
   year of email management is free with The Messaging Company and
 then
   from year 2, they will charge a fee for the email management. If I
   look at my Westnet plan, the current email management fee will
   disappear form day 1 after migration and thereafter. I don't know
   yet
   how much The Messaging Company will charge from year 2.
   You can ring the helpline for further details if other questions
 or
   there is an FAQ page for the commonly asked questions.
   Kind Regards
   Peter Crisp
   - Original Message -
   From: "WAMUG"
   To:"WAMUG"
   Cc:"Rod Blitvich"
   Sent:Thu, 2 Nov 2023 14:13:05 +0800

Re: [WAMUG] Which Email address?

[Pete via WAMUG]

Thanks and agreed Robin. Completely frictionless as you say.

Regards

Pete

> On 4 Nov 2023, at 6:12 pm, Robin Belford via WAMUG  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Wendy,
> 
> I’m not sure you have fully understood the minimal effect on the user that 
> the transfer of the email hosting of iinet, westnet et. al. email services 
> actually entails.
> Now perhaps because you appear to be accessing your email via a web browser 
> you are experiencing the dual login dance (it sounds absurd to me).
> 
> You could consider using an email client, such as Mail, which comes 
> installed on every macintosh and iPhone.
> Using these services I, my wife, and my children have experienced a 
> frictionless transition.
> Infact they don’t really know, or care, who is managing their email hosting.
> All they care about is continuity of service, which they have experienced.
> 
> As for your assertion that third party companies, such as Medibank etc. 
> expect you to change your email address is a complete nonsense.
> If that is what you have been told you, have been badly advised.
> 
> You just keep using your westnet/iinet/ address as if nothing has happened.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Robin
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 4 Nov 2023, at 5:40 pm, wendy.corrick--- via WAMUG 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>  Yep Peter I agree with your good summary.
>> 
>>  I too have an iinet address (one of their very early customers in fact)
>>  and I did more than groan when I heard they intended to out source the
>>  management of their iinet email customers.
>> 
>>  I did it by the due date and now log in to The Messaging Company first;
>>  this takes me automatically to the familiar iinet screen where I log in
>>  again.
>> 
>>  All is OK;  except many companies eg Medibank assume that ALL iinet
>>  customers MUST change their address.  Our postman (the one that goes
>>  around the streets delivering mail) is weighed down by the numbers of
>>  letters this household has received requesting us to let the company
>>  know of our new email address.  (I exaggerate a bit there!)  What I
>>  haven't worked out is are these companies responding to some emails
>>  that bounced? or are they just assuming that all iinet customers need
>>  to change their address.
>> 
>>  It is becoming a real problem;  and very time consuming in trying to
>>  contact each company to tell them my address is valid.
>> 
>>  Whether or not the Messaging Company will be happy to have all these
>>  iinet customers after the first year we will just have to wait and
>>  see..  Along with how much they charge us.
>> 
>>  Best wishes all
>> 
>>  Wendy
>> 
>>  Friends of Gabbiljee respectfully acknowledges that it is located on
>>  the land of the Whadjuk Noongar people.
>> 
>> 
>>- Original Message -
>> 
>>  From:
>>  "WAMUG" 
>> 
>>  To:
>> 
>>"WAMUG" 
>> 
>>  Cc:
>> 
>>    "Peter Crisp" 
>> 
>>  Sent:
>> 
>>Thu, 02 Nov 2023 14:55:29 +0800
>> 
>>  Subject:
>> 
>>Re: [WAMUG] Which Email address?
>>Hi Rod, I am with Westnet as my ISP - same org as iinet I
>>understand.
>>Westnet advised me a couple of months back too they are outsourcing
>>the email management. This was received with big groans. However,
>>Westnet (and iinet) are outsourcing the email management to The
>>Messaging Company. You have the choice to Opt In to their plan, in
>>which case they will manage the full migration of your Westnet (or
>>iinet) Mail accounts to The Messaging Company, but importantly you
>>will keep exactly the same email address afterwards. I have opted in
>>as making a change to a different email address would be a huge
>>undertaking with all the tangles with multiple other subscriptions,
>>providers etc my email address is associated with. Same to for the 4
>>other family members in my family. I dug further into this - the
>>first
>>year of email management is free with The Messaging Company and then
>>from year 2, they will charge a fee for the email management. If I
>>look at my Westnet plan, the current email management fee will
>>disappear form day 1 after migration and thereafter. I don't know
>>yet
>>how much The Messaging Company will charge from year 2.
>>You can ring the helpline for further details if other questions or
>>there is an FAQ page for the commonly asked questions.
>>Kind Regards
>>Pete

Re: [WAMUG] Which Email address?

[Robin Belford via WAMUG]

Hi Wendy,

I’m not sure you have fully understood the minimal effect on the user that the 
transfer of the email hosting of iinet, westnet et. al. email services actually 
entails.
Now perhaps because you appear to be accessing your email via a web browser you 
are experiencing the dual login dance (it sounds absurd to me).

You could consider using an email client, such as Mail, which comes installed 
on every macintosh and iPhone.
Using these services I, my wife, and my children have experienced a 
frictionless transition. 
Infact they don’t really know, or care, who is managing their email hosting.
All they care about is continuity of service, which they have experienced.

As for your assertion that third party companies, such as Medibank etc. expect 
you to change your email address is a complete nonsense. 
If that is what you have been told you, have been badly advised.

You just keep using your westnet/iinet/ address as if nothing has happened.

Regards,

Robin




> On 4 Nov 2023, at 5:40 pm, wendy.corrick--- via WAMUG 
>  wrote:
> 
>   Yep Peter I agree with your good summary.
> 
>   I too have an iinet address (one of their very early customers in fact)
>   and I did more than groan when I heard they intended to out source the
>   management of their iinet email customers.
> 
>   I did it by the due date and now log in to The Messaging Company first;
>   this takes me automatically to the familiar iinet screen where I log in
>   again.
> 
>   All is OK;  except many companies eg Medibank assume that ALL iinet
>   customers MUST change their address.  Our postman (the one that goes
>   around the streets delivering mail) is weighed down by the numbers of
>   letters this household has received requesting us to let the company
>   know of our new email address.  (I exaggerate a bit there!)  What I
>   haven't worked out is are these companies responding to some emails
>   that bounced? or are they just assuming that all iinet customers need
>   to change their address.
> 
>   It is becoming a real problem;  and very time consuming in trying to
>   contact each company to tell them my address is valid.
> 
>   Whether or not the Messaging Company will be happy to have all these
>   iinet customers after the first year we will just have to wait and
>   see..  Along with how much they charge us.
> 
>   Best wishes all
> 
>   Wendy
> 
>   Friends of Gabbiljee respectfully acknowledges that it is located on
>   the land of the Whadjuk Noongar people.
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> 
>   From:
>   "WAMUG" 
> 
>   To:
> 
> "WAMUG" 
> 
>   Cc:
> 
> "Peter Crisp" 
> 
>   Sent:
> 
> Thu, 02 Nov 2023 14:55:29 +0800
> 
>   Subject:
> 
>     Re: [WAMUG] Which Email address?
> Hi Rod, I am with Westnet as my ISP - same org as iinet I
>     understand.
> Westnet advised me a couple of months back too they are outsourcing
> the email management. This was received with big groans. However,
> Westnet (and iinet) are outsourcing the email management to The
> Messaging Company. You have the choice to Opt In to their plan, in
> which case they will manage the full migration of your Westnet (or
> iinet) Mail accounts to The Messaging Company, but importantly you
> will keep exactly the same email address afterwards. I have opted in
> as making a change to a different email address would be a huge
> undertaking with all the tangles with multiple other subscriptions,
> providers etc my email address is associated with. Same to for the 4
> other family members in my family. I dug further into this - the
> first
> year of email management is free with The Messaging Company and then
> from year 2, they will charge a fee for the email management. If I
> look at my Westnet plan, the current email management fee will
> disappear form day 1 after migration and thereafter. I don't know
> yet
> how much The Messaging Company will charge from year 2.
> You can ring the helpline for further details if other questions or
> there is an FAQ page for the commonly asked questions.
> Kind Regards
> Peter Crisp
> ----- Original Message -
> From: "WAMUG"
> To:"WAMUG"
> Cc:"Rod Blitvich"
>     Sent:Thu, 2 Nov 2023 14:13:05 +0800
> Subject:[WAMUG] Which Email address?
> Hi Folks
> So iinet email is shifting to another provider.
> Please can you suggest which email address should now I use as my
> primary address?
> I currently use rb...@iinet.net.au
> I have the following email addresses:
> rb...@iinet.net.au
> bli...@mac.com

Re: [WAMUG] Which Email address?

[wendy.corrick--- via WAMUG]

   Yep Peter I agree with your good summary.

   I too have an iinet address (one of their very early customers in fact)
   and I did more than groan when I heard they intended to out source the
   management of their iinet email customers.

   I did it by the due date and now log in to The Messaging Company first;
   this takes me automatically to the familiar iinet screen where I log in
   again.

   All is OK;  except many companies eg Medibank assume that ALL iinet
   customers MUST change their address.  Our postman (the one that goes
   around the streets delivering mail) is weighed down by the numbers of
   letters this household has received requesting us to let the company
   know of our new email address.  (I exaggerate a bit there!)  What I
   haven't worked out is are these companies responding to some emails
   that bounced? or are they just assuming that all iinet customers need
   to change their address.

   It is becoming a real problem;  and very time consuming in trying to
   contact each company to tell them my address is valid.

   Whether or not the Messaging Company will be happy to have all these
   iinet customers after the first year we will just have to wait and
   see..  Along with how much they charge us.

   Best wishes all

   Wendy

   Friends of Gabbiljee respectfully acknowledges that it is located on
   the land of the Whadjuk Noongar people.


 - Original Message -

   From:
   "WAMUG" 

   To:

 "WAMUG" 

   Cc:

 "Peter Crisp" 

   Sent:

 Thu, 02 Nov 2023 14:55:29 +0800

   Subject:

 Re: [WAMUG] Which Email address?
 Hi Rod, I am with Westnet as my ISP - same org as iinet I
 understand.
 Westnet advised me a couple of months back too they are outsourcing
 the email management. This was received with big groans. However,
 Westnet (and iinet) are outsourcing the email management to The
 Messaging Company. You have the choice to Opt In to their plan, in
 which case they will manage the full migration of your Westnet (or
 iinet) Mail accounts to The Messaging Company, but importantly you
     will keep exactly the same email address afterwards. I have opted in
 as making a change to a different email address would be a huge
 undertaking with all the tangles with multiple other subscriptions,
 providers etc my email address is associated with. Same to for the 4
 other family members in my family. I dug further into this - the
 first
 year of email management is free with The Messaging Company and then
 from year 2, they will charge a fee for the email management. If I
 look at my Westnet plan, the current email management fee will
 disappear form day 1 after migration and thereafter. I don't know
 yet
 how much The Messaging Company will charge from year 2.
 You can ring the helpline for further details if other questions or
 there is an FAQ page for the commonly asked questions.
 Kind Regards
 Peter Crisp
 - Original Message -
 From: "WAMUG"
 To:"WAMUG"
 Cc:"Rod Blitvich"
 Sent:Thu, 2 Nov 2023 14:13:05 +0800
 Subject:[WAMUG] Which Email address?
 Hi Folks
 So iinet email is shifting to another provider.
 Please can you suggest which email address should now I use as my
 primary address?
 I currently use rb...@iinet.net.au
 I have the following email addresses:
 rb...@iinet.net.au
 bli...@mac.com
 bli...@icloud.com
 I am thinking of making bli...@mac.com as my primary address
 Thank you
 Rod Blitvich
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Re: [WAMUG] Which Email address?

[Marcus Harris via WAMUG]

As I understand the situation, IINET or WESTNET are the internet service 
providers and that won’t change. 
One isn’t obliged to use @ iinet or @ westnet.
I haven’t used those addresses for several years and I’m happy with all the 
apple addresses @me @ Mac @ iCloud.
Cheers 
Marcus 
Marcus Harris
Mobile +61417965618

 

> On 2 Nov 2023, at 2:56 pm, Peter Crisp via WAMUG  
> wrote:
> 
>    Hi Rod, I am with Westnet as my ISP - same org as iinet I understand.
>   Westnet advised me a couple of months back too they are outsourcing the
>   email management. This was received with big groans. However, Westnet
>   (and iinet) are outsourcing the email management to The Messaging
>   Company. You have the choice to Opt In to their plan, in which case
>   they will manage the full migration of your Westnet (or iinet) Mail
>   accounts to The Messaging Company, but importantly you will keep
>   exactly the same email address afterwards. I have opted in as making a
>   change to a different email address would be a huge undertaking with
>   all the tangles with multiple other subscriptions, providers etc my
>   email address is associated with. Same to for the 4 other family
>   members in my family. I dug further into this - the first year of email
>   management is free with The Messaging Company and then from year 2,
>   they will charge a fee for the email management. If I look at my
>   Westnet plan, the current email management fee will disappear form day
>   1 after migration and thereafter. I don't know yet how much The
>   Messaging Company will charge from year 2.
> 
>   You can ring the helpline for further details if other questions or
>   there is an FAQ page for the commonly asked questions.
>   Kind Regards
>   Peter Crisp
> 
> - Original Message -
> 
>   From:
>   "WAMUG" 
> 
>   To:
> 
> "WAMUG" 
> 
>   Cc:
> 
> "Rod Blitvich" 
> 
>   Sent:
> 
> Thu, 2 Nov 2023 14:13:05 +0800
> 
>   Subject:
> 
> [WAMUG] Which Email address?
> Hi Folks
> So iinet email is shifting to another provider.
> Please can you suggest which email address should now I use as my
> primary address?
> I currently use rb...@iinet.net.au
> I have the following email addresses:
> rb...@iinet.net.au
> bli...@mac.com
> bli...@icloud.com
> I am thinking of making bli...@mac.com as my primary address
> Thank you
> Rod Blitvich
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Re: [WAMUG] Which Email address?

[Peter Crisp via WAMUG]

   Hi Rod, I am with Westnet as my ISP - same org as iinet I understand.
   Westnet advised me a couple of months back too they are outsourcing the
   email management. This was received with big groans. However, Westnet
   (and iinet) are outsourcing the email management to The Messaging
   Company. You have the choice to Opt In to their plan, in which case
   they will manage the full migration of your Westnet (or iinet) Mail
   accounts to The Messaging Company, but importantly you will keep
   exactly the same email address afterwards. I have opted in as making a
   change to a different email address would be a huge undertaking with
   all the tangles with multiple other subscriptions, providers etc my
   email address is associated with. Same to for the 4 other family
   members in my family. I dug further into this - the first year of email
   management is free with The Messaging Company and then from year 2,
   they will charge a fee for the email management. If I look at my
   Westnet plan, the current email management fee will disappear form day
   1 after migration and thereafter. I don't know yet how much The
   Messaging Company will charge from year 2.

   You can ring the helpline for further details if other questions or
   there is an FAQ page for the commonly asked questions.
   Kind Regards
   Peter Crisp

 - Original Message -

   From:
   "WAMUG" 

   To:

 "WAMUG" 

   Cc:

 "Rod Blitvich" 

   Sent:

 Thu, 2 Nov 2023 14:13:05 +0800

   Subject:

 [WAMUG] Which Email address?
     Hi Folks
 So iinet email is shifting to another provider.
 Please can you suggest which email address should now I use as my
 primary address?
 I currently use rb...@iinet.net.au
 I have the following email addresses:
 rb...@iinet.net.au
 bli...@mac.com
 bli...@icloud.com
 I am thinking of making bli...@mac.com as my primary address
 Thank you
 Rod Blitvich
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Re: [WAMUG] Which Email address?

[Stephen Chape via WAMUG]

   Hi Rod.

   I switched to my Apple address about 18 months ago.

   So if I change providers and don’t have a lot of senders to notify.

   You could use either @mac.com or @icloud.com

   That is the same solution I have suggested to my family.

   On 2 Nov 2023, at 2:13 pm, Rod Blitvich via WAMUG
wrote:

 Hi Folks
 So iinet email is shifting to another provider.
 Please can you suggest which email address should now I use as my
 primary address?
 I currently use rb...@iinet.net.au
 I have the following email addresses:
   * rb...@iinet.net.au
   * bli...@mac.com
   * bli...@icloud.com
 I am thinking of making bli...@mac.com as my primary address
 Thank you
 Rod Blitvich
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   Regards
   Stephen Chape
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   Windows because my employer knew no better
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[WAMUG] Which Email address?

[Rod Blitvich via WAMUG]

   Hi Folks

   So iinet email is shifting to another provider.

   Please can you suggest which email address should now I use as my
   primary address?

   I currently use rb...@iinet.net.au

   I have the following email addresses:

 * rb...@iinet.net.au
 * bli...@mac.com
 * bli...@icloud.com

   I am thinking of making bli...@mac.com as my primary address

   Thank you

   Rod Blitvich
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Re: [WAMUG] Iinet/Westnet/TPG/internode etc stopping email address hosting

[FW via WAMUG]

Hi Daniel,

Yes, that clarifies the situation and I know what I should do.

Thank you for your advice.

Cheers

Walter

> On 9 Oct 2023, at 18:23 , Daniel Kerr via WAMUG  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Walter
> 
> Yes, you have to repeat the transfer process for each email address.  Each 
> one will get sent a seperate code to verify it, then complete the Transfer.
> So for each different email address, you have to complete it.
> This is where it can add up - as for each person it will mostly likely be per 
> mailbox/per month. So can add up. 
> At this stage TMC still don’t have pricing on what this will cost. Reading 
> forums and things, it’s likely to be $3-$5 per month per email address. There 
> was also rumours they may do a “free tier” but that it will come ads in your 
> email. This is all rumours and speculation, so all this could change. At the 
> moment they (TMC) say they’ll advice pricing a few months before it’s renewed 
> (Sept 2024 which is when iinet etc have paid it up to).
> 
> I have more info about it on my previous newspage here - 
> https://macwizardry.com.au/news-2023-09.html
> And also on my last newsletter here - 
> https://mailchi.mp/2aa3a487e7ed/macwizardry-news-apr2023-6095435
> 
> These transfers have to be put in place before some time this month I think 
> it is. (or it may have been increased to Nov - but I’d probably get the 
> transfer in place as soon as possible so to not risk losing the email 
> addresses.
> 
> Hope that helps.
> Kind regards
> Daniel
> 
>  Sent from my iPhone 15 Pro 
> 
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> MacWizardry
> 
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>> On 8 Oct 2023, at 5:32 pm, FW via WAMUG  wrote:
>> 
>>  Hello Daniel,
>> 
>>  I did the transfer to Messaging Co. and received a confirmation from
>>  them.
>> 
>>  Do I need to do the same with my wife’s email address which is included
>>  in my iiNet account ?
>> 
>>  Thanks,
>> 
>>  Cheers
>> 
>>  Walter
>> 
>>On 13 Aug 2023, at 14:32 , Rod Blitvich via WAMUG
>><[1]wa...@lists.wamug.org.au> wrote:
>>  Thanks Daniel
>>  Yep - I didn’t get an email from them either.
>>  I guess we might have to look for a new ISP before September 2024
>>  Cheers
>>  Rod ([1][2]atiinet.net.au)
>>  image.gif
>>  Rod Blitvich  - Amy & Sam’s Dad
>>  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
>>[2][3]rb...@iinet.net.au
>>  On 1 Aug 2023, at 6:36 pm, Daniel Kerr via WAMUG
>>  <[4]wa...@lists.wamug.org.au> wrote:
>>  Hi All
>>  An interesting piece of info was brought to my attention, and to
>>be
>>  honest I hadn’t seen it previously. - (definitely not an email
>>from
>>  iinet advising me of the change. Possibly an email will come later
>>on
>>  perhaps?)
>>  Apparently iinet/TPG and all it’s subsidiaries (Westnet, Internode
>>etc)
>>  have decided they are no longer going to host their customer’s
>>emails.
>>  (And new customers signing up are not given an @ISP email
>>address).
>>  They are moving it over to another business where they (the ISP)
>>are
>>  apparently paying for it for a year (up to Sept 2024 from what I
>>can
>>  gather), then after that if you then want to still keep using your
>>@isp
>>  email address, then you will have to pay for it. I haven’t seen
>>any
>>  plans as yet, but a few things I read said it could be “from $3.99
>>per
>>  email address per month). - though doesn’t show what the quota
>>would
>>  be.
>>  Some other people had said to budget about $60 a year to keep the
>>email
>>  address.
>>  The “notice” is on all the ISP websites, so for example on the
>>main
>>  iinet home page (and same for Westnet, TPG, Internode etc), all
>>have a
>>  link to information about it.
>>  [5]https://help.iinet.net.au/iinet-email-messaging-company
>>  Even the “new” company t

Re: [WAMUG] Iinet/Westnet/TPG/internode etc stopping email address hosting

[Daniel Kerr via WAMUG]

Hi Walter

Yes, you have to repeat the transfer process for each email address.  Each one 
will get sent a seperate code to verify it, then complete the Transfer.
So for each different email address, you have to complete it.
This is where it can add up - as for each person it will mostly likely be per 
mailbox/per month. So can add up. 
At this stage TMC still don’t have pricing on what this will cost. Reading 
forums and things, it’s likely to be $3-$5 per month per email address. There 
was also rumours they may do a “free tier” but that it will come ads in your 
email. This is all rumours and speculation, so all this could change. At the 
moment they (TMC) say they’ll advice pricing a few months before it’s renewed 
(Sept 2024 which is when iinet etc have paid it up to).

I have more info about it on my previous newspage here - 
https://macwizardry.com.au/news-2023-09.html
And also on my last newsletter here - 
https://mailchi.mp/2aa3a487e7ed/macwizardry-news-apr2023-6095435

These transfers have to be put in place before some time this month I think it 
is. (or it may have been increased to Nov - but I’d probably get the transfer 
in place as soon as possible so to not risk losing the email addresses.

Hope that helps.
Kind regards
Daniel

 Sent from my iPhone 15 Pro 

---
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MacWizardry

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> On 8 Oct 2023, at 5:32 pm, FW via WAMUG  wrote:
> 
>   Hello Daniel,
> 
>   I did the transfer to Messaging Co. and received a confirmation from
>   them.
> 
>   Do I need to do the same with my wife’s email address which is included
>   in my iiNet account ?
> 
>   Thanks,
> 
>   Cheers
> 
>   Walter
> 
> On 13 Aug 2023, at 14:32 , Rod Blitvich via WAMUG
> <[1]wa...@lists.wamug.org.au> wrote:
>   Thanks Daniel
>   Yep - I didn’t get an email from them either.
>   I guess we might have to look for a new ISP before September 2024
>   Cheers
>   Rod ([1][2]atiinet.net.au)
>   image.gif
>   Rod Blitvich  - Amy & Sam’s Dad
>   . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
> [2][3]rb...@iinet.net.au
>   On 1 Aug 2023, at 6:36 pm, Daniel Kerr via WAMUG
>   <[4]wa...@lists.wamug.org.au> wrote:
>   Hi All
>   An interesting piece of info was brought to my attention, and to
> be
>   honest I hadn’t seen it previously. - (definitely not an email
> from
>   iinet advising me of the change. Possibly an email will come later
> on
>   perhaps?)
>   Apparently iinet/TPG and all it’s subsidiaries (Westnet, Internode
> etc)
>   have decided they are no longer going to host their customer’s
> emails.
>   (And new customers signing up are not given an @ISP email
> address).
>   They are moving it over to another business where they (the ISP)
> are
>   apparently paying for it for a year (up to Sept 2024 from what I
> can
>   gather), then after that if you then want to still keep using your
> @isp
>   email address, then you will have to pay for it. I haven’t seen
> any
>   plans as yet, but a few things I read said it could be “from $3.99
>     per
>   email address per month). - though doesn’t show what the quota
> would
>   be.
>   Some other people had said to budget about $60 a year to keep the
> email
>   address.
>   The “notice” is on all the ISP websites, so for example on the
> main
>   iinet home page (and same for Westnet, TPG, Internode etc), all
> have a
>   link to information about it.
>   [5]https://help.iinet.net.au/iinet-email-messaging-company
>   Even the “new” company taking over (The Messaging Company),
> website's
>   is fairly sparse on information.
>   Definitely going to be a bit of wake up call for a lot of people.
> Who
>   may have an @isp address for 20+ years, then find if they want to
> keep
>   it they now have to pay. And I’m sure the internet plans won’t see
> a
>   price decrease for the money saved on not supplying/hosting email
>   addresses. Hey, I could be wrong,…but, well….time will tell.
>   (I have an @iinet address that I’ve had for about 22+ years that
> I’ve
>   been with them - 

Re: [WAMUG] Iinet/Westnet/TPG/internode etc stopping email address hosting

[Rosemary Spark via WAMUG]

   Yes. I’m with Westnet…20 years. They sent an email in June about it. I
   also contacted the Messaging Company, but apart from an acknowledgment
   that’s all for now.

I’m trying to decouple all the people I use that address for. I’m
   hoping the year’s grace will allow me to track everything that is
   connected to my westnet address…not always easy because some firms
   require a recovery email different from your login one.

   Cheers

   Rosemary Spark
   PO Box 781 South Fremantle WA 6162 Australia
   0414268043
   [1]arkaysp...@gmail.com

   On Sun, 8 Oct 2023 at 17:32, FW via WAMUG <[2]wa...@lists.wamug.org.au>
   wrote:

Hello Daniel,
I did the transfer to Messaging Co. and received a confirmation
 from
them.
Do I need to do the same with my wife’s email address which is
 included
in my iiNet account ?
Thanks,
Cheers
Walter
  On 13 Aug 2023, at 14:32 , Rod Blitvich via WAMUG
  <[1][3]wa...@lists.wamug.org.au> wrote:
Thanks Daniel
Yep - I didn’t get an email from them either.
I guess we might have to look for a new ISP before September
 2024
Cheers
Rod ([1][2][4]atiinet.net.au)
image.gif
Rod Blitvich  - Amy & Sam’s Dad
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
  [2][3][5]rb...@iinet.net.au
On 1 Aug 2023, at 6:36 pm, Daniel Kerr via WAMUG
<[4][6]wa...@lists.wamug.org.au> wrote:
Hi All
An interesting piece of info was brought to my attention, and
 to
  be
honest I hadn’t seen it previously. - (definitely not an
 email
  from
iinet advising me of the change. Possibly an email will come
 later
  on
perhaps?)
Apparently iinet/TPG and all it’s subsidiaries (Westnet,
 Internode
  etc)
have decided they are no longer going to host their
 customer’s
  emails.
(And new customers signing up are not given an @ISP email
  address).
They are moving it over to another business where they (the
 ISP)
  are
apparently paying for it for a year (up to Sept 2024 from
 what I
  can
gather), then after that if you then want to still keep using
 your
  @isp
email address, then you will have to pay for it. I haven’t
 seen
  any
plans as yet, but a few things I read said it could be “from
 $3.99
  per
email address per month). - though doesn’t show what the
 quota
  would
be.
Some other people had said to budget about $60 a year to keep
     the
  email
address.
The “notice” is on all the ISP websites, so for example on
 the
  main
iinet home page (and same for Westnet, TPG, Internode etc),
 all
  have a
link to information about it.
[5][7]https://help.iinet.net.au/iinet-email-messaging-company
Even the “new” company taking over (The Messaging Company),
  website's
is fairly sparse on information.
Definitely going to be a bit of wake up call for a lot of
 people.
  Who
may have an @isp address for 20+ years, then find if they
 want to
  keep
it they now have to pay. And I’m sure the internet plans
 won’t see
  a
price decrease for the money saved on not supplying/hosting
 email
addresses. Hey, I could be wrong,…but, well….time will tell.
(I have an @iinet address that I’ve had for about 22+ years
 that
  I’ve
been with them - not that I use it very much….but it’s
 there).
I know I have quite a lot of clients that use their @isp
 address,
  so
definitely going to be a change for a lot of people.
Another good reason to have a domain name I guess, or a
 “free”
  email
address like @iCloud.com, @[8]gmail.com etc- then you can
 change ISPs
without having to tell everyone your email address has
 changed.
(As an aside, the price is about “normal” - as I looked at
 some of
  the
“email only” hosting plans I have for clients and a 10GB plan
 is
  $60 a
year per mailbox)
Definitely will be something to watch and see what happens
 with
  it.
Thought I’d post to the list as possibly others may not have
 seen
  or
been aware of this. :)
Kind regards
Daniel
---
Daniel Kerr
MacWizardry
p : 0414 795 960

Re: [WAMUG] Iinet/Westnet/TPG/internode etc stopping email address hosting

[FW via WAMUG]

Hello Daniel,

I did the transfer to Messaging Co. and received a confirmation from them.
Do I need to do the same with my wife’s email address which is included in my 
iiNet account ?

Thanks, 
Cheers

Walter

> On 13 Aug 2023, at 14:32 , Rod Blitvich via WAMUG  
> wrote:
> 
>   Thanks Daniel
> 
>   Yep - I didn’t get an email from them either.
> 
>   I guess we might have to look for a new ISP before September 2024
> 
>   Cheers
> 
>   Rod ([1]atiinet.net.au)
>   image.gif
>   Rod Blitvich  - Amy & Sam’s Dad
>   . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
> [2]rb...@iinet.net.au
> 
>   On 1 Aug 2023, at 6:36 pm, Daniel Kerr via WAMUG
>wrote:
> 
>   Hi All
>   An interesting piece of info was brought to my attention, and to be
>   honest I hadn’t seen it previously. - (definitely not an email from
>   iinet advising me of the change. Possibly an email will come later on
>   perhaps?)
>   Apparently iinet/TPG and all it’s subsidiaries (Westnet, Internode etc)
>   have decided they are no longer going to host their customer’s emails.
>   (And new customers signing up are not given an @ISP email address).
>   They are moving it over to another business where they (the ISP) are
>   apparently paying for it for a year (up to Sept 2024 from what I can
>   gather), then after that if you then want to still keep using your @isp
>   email address, then you will have to pay for it. I haven’t seen any
>   plans as yet, but a few things I read said it could be “from $3.99 per
>   email address per month). - though doesn’t show what the quota would
>   be.
>   Some other people had said to budget about $60 a year to keep the email
>   address.
>   The “notice” is on all the ISP websites, so for example on the main
>   iinet home page (and same for Westnet, TPG, Internode etc), all have a
>   link to information about it.
>   https://help.iinet.net.au/iinet-email-messaging-company
>   Even the “new” company taking over (The Messaging Company), website's
>   is fairly sparse on information.
>   Definitely going to be a bit of wake up call for a lot of people. Who
>   may have an @isp address for 20+ years, then find if they want to keep
>   it they now have to pay. And I’m sure the internet plans won’t see a
>   price decrease for the money saved on not supplying/hosting email
>   addresses. Hey, I could be wrong,…but, well….time will tell.
>   (I have an @iinet address that I’ve had for about 22+ years that I’ve
>   been with them - not that I use it very much….but it’s there).
>   I know I have quite a lot of clients that use their @isp address, so
>   definitely going to be a change for a lot of people.
>   Another good reason to have a domain name I guess, or a “free” email
>   address like @iCloud.com, @gmail.com etc- then you can change ISPs
>   without having to tell everyone your email address has changed.
>   (As an aside, the price is about “normal” - as I looked at some of the
>   “email only” hosting plans I have for clients and a 10GB plan is $60 a
>   year per mailbox)
>   Definitely will be something to watch and see what happens with it.
>   Thought I’d post to the list as possibly others may not have seen or
>   been aware of this. :)
>   Kind regards
>   Daniel
>   ---
>   Daniel Kerr
>   MacWizardry
>   p : 0414 795 960
>   e : 
>   w : <http://www.macwizardry.com.au>
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Re: [WAMUG] Iinet/Westnet/TPG/internode etc stopping email address hosting

[Rod Blitvich via WAMUG]

Thanks Daniel
Yep - I didn’t get an email from them either.
I guess we might have to look for a new ISP before September 2024
Cheers
Rod (atiinet.net.au <http://atiinet.net.au/>)




Rod Blitvich  - Amy & Sam’s Dad
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 
  rb...@iinet.net.au  



> On 1 Aug 2023, at 6:36 pm, Daniel Kerr via WAMUG  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi All
> 
> An interesting piece of info was brought to my attention, and to be honest I 
> hadn’t seen it previously. - (definitely not an email from iinet advising me 
> of the change. Possibly an email will come later on perhaps?)
> 
> Apparently iinet/TPG and all it’s subsidiaries (Westnet, Internode etc) have 
> decided they are no longer going to host their customer’s emails. (And new 
> customers signing up are not given an @ISP email address).
> 
> They are moving it over to another business where they (the ISP) are 
> apparently paying for it for a year (up to Sept 2024 from what I can gather), 
> then after that if you then want to still keep using your @isp email address, 
> then you will have to pay for it. I haven’t seen any plans as yet, but a few 
> things I read said it could be “from $3.99 per email address per month). - 
> though doesn’t show what the quota would be. 
> Some other people had said to budget about $60 a year to keep the email 
> address.
> 
> The “notice” is on all the ISP websites, so for example on the main iinet 
> home page (and same for Westnet, TPG, Internode etc), all have a link to 
> information about it.
> https://help.iinet.net.au/iinet-email-messaging-company
> 
> Even the “new” company taking over (The Messaging Company), website's is 
> fairly sparse on information.
> 
> Definitely going to be a bit of wake up call for a lot of people. Who may 
> have an @isp address for 20+ years, then find if they want to keep it they 
> now have to pay. And I’m sure the internet plans won’t see a price decrease 
> for the money saved on not supplying/hosting email addresses. Hey, I could be 
> wrong,…but, well….time will tell.
> (I have an @iinet address that I’ve had for about 22+ years that I’ve been 
> with them - not that I use it very much….but it’s there).
> 
> I know I have quite a lot of clients that use their @isp address, so 
> definitely going to be a change for a lot of people.
> Another good reason to have a domain name I guess, or a “free” email address 
> like @iCloud.com, @gmail.com etc- then you can change ISPs without having to 
> tell everyone your email address has changed.
> (As an aside, the price is about “normal” - as I looked at some of the “email 
> only” hosting plans I have for clients and a 10GB plan is $60 a year per 
> mailbox)
> 
> Definitely will be something to watch and see what happens with it.
> 
> Thought I’d post to the list as possibly others may not have seen or been 
> aware of this. :)
> 
> Kind regards
> Daniel
> ---
> Daniel Kerr
> MacWizardry
> 
> p : 0414 795 960
> e : 
> w : <http://www.macwizardry.com.au>
> 
> 
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Re: [WAMUG] Iinet/Westnet/TPG/internode etc stopping email address hosting

[Robin Belford via WAMUG]

   Every one is probably getting these today

   [1]https://help.iinet.net.au/iinet-email-messaging-company

   [2]https://help.iinet.net.au/domain-name-registry-transfer

   On 1 Aug 2023, at 10:39 pm, Stephen Chape via WAMUG
wrote:

 Thank you Daniel.
 My daughter is with Westnet, so I will chat to her about this.
 On 1 Aug 2023, at 8:40 pm, Pete Smith via WAMUG
  wrote:
   G’day Daniel.
   I saw on Internode’s site today that they have not been hosting new
   email addresses since 20 June or thereabouts but I didn’t see
 anything
   about current ones. Mind you, I wasn’t looking because I was trying
 to
   access my webmail because Mail was stuffing me around yet again.
   Interestingly, I couldn’t access that at the time as well.
   I might ring them tomorrow to check if my problems are in anyway
   concerned with their new system, although my mail works fine from
   the
   iPhone.
   I’m off hunting now.
   Regards,
   Pete Smith
   On 1 Aug 2023, at 6:36 pm, Daniel Kerr via WAMUG
wrote:
   Hi All
   An interesting piece of info was brought to my attention, and to be
   honest I hadn’t seen it previously. - (definitely not an email from
   iinet advising me of the change. Possibly an email will come later
   on
   perhaps?)
   Apparently iinet/TPG and all it’s subsidiaries (Westnet, Internode
 etc)
   have decided they are no longer going to host their customer’s
 emails.
   (And new customers signing up are not given an @ISP email address).
   They are moving it over to another business where they (the ISP)
   are
   apparently paying for it for a year (up to Sept 2024 from what I
   can
   gather), then after that if you then want to still keep using your
 @isp
   email address, then you will have to pay for it. I haven’t seen any
   plans as yet, but a few things I read said it could be “from $3.99
 per
   email address per month). - though doesn’t show what the quota
   would
   be.
   Some other people had said to budget about $60 a year to keep the
 email
   address.
   The “notice” is on all the ISP websites, so for example on the main
   iinet home page (and same for Westnet, TPG, Internode etc), all
   have
 a
   link to information about it.
   https://help.iinet.net.au/iinet-email-messaging-company
   Even the “new” company taking over (The Messaging Company),
   website's
   is fairly sparse on information.
   Definitely going to be a bit of wake up call for a lot of people.
   Who
   may have an @isp address for 20+ years, then find if they want to
 keep
   it they now have to pay. And I’m sure the internet plans won’t see
   a
   price decrease for the money saved on not supplying/hosting email
   addresses. Hey, I could be wrong,…but, well….time will tell.
   (I have an @iinet address that I’ve had for about 22+ years that
   I’ve
   been with them - not that I use it very much….but it’s there).
   I know I have quite a lot of clients that use their @isp address,
   so
   definitely going to be a change for a lot of people.
   Another good reason to have a domain name I guess, or a “free”
   email
   address like @iCloud.com, @gmail.com etc- then you can change ISPs
   without having to tell everyone your email address has changed.
   (As an aside, the price is about “normal” - as I looked at some of
 the
   “email only” hosting plans I have for clients and a 10GB plan is
   $60
 a
   year per mailbox)
   Definitely will be something to watch and see what happens with it.
   Thought I’d post to the list as possibly others may not have seen
   or
   been aware of this. :)
   Kind regards
   Daniel
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Re: [WAMUG] Iinet/Westnet/TPG/internode etc stopping email address hosting

[Stephen Chape via WAMUG]

   Thank you Daniel.

   My daughter is with Westnet, so I will chat to her about this.

   On 1 Aug 2023, at 8:40 pm, Pete Smith via WAMUG
wrote:

 G’day Daniel.
 I saw on Internode’s site today that they have not been hosting new
 email addresses since 20 June or thereabouts but I didn’t see
   anything
 about current ones. Mind you, I wasn’t looking because I was trying
   to
 access my webmail because Mail was stuffing me around yet again.
 Interestingly, I couldn’t access that at the time as well.
 I might ring them tomorrow to check if my problems are in anyway
 concerned with their new system, although my mail works fine from the
 iPhone.
 I’m off hunting now.
 Regards,
 Pete Smith
 On 1 Aug 2023, at 6:36 pm, Daniel Kerr via WAMUG
  wrote:
 Hi All
 An interesting piece of info was brought to my attention, and to be
 honest I hadn’t seen it previously. - (definitely not an email from
 iinet advising me of the change. Possibly an email will come later on
 perhaps?)
 Apparently iinet/TPG and all it’s subsidiaries (Westnet, Internode
   etc)
 have decided they are no longer going to host their customer’s
   emails.
 (And new customers signing up are not given an @ISP email address).
 They are moving it over to another business where they (the ISP) are
 apparently paying for it for a year (up to Sept 2024 from what I can
 gather), then after that if you then want to still keep using your
   @isp
 email address, then you will have to pay for it. I haven’t seen any
 plans as yet, but a few things I read said it could be “from $3.99
   per
 email address per month). - though doesn’t show what the quota would
 be.
 Some other people had said to budget about $60 a year to keep the
   email
 address.
 The “notice” is on all the ISP websites, so for example on the main
 iinet home page (and same for Westnet, TPG, Internode etc), all have
   a
 link to information about it.
 https://help.iinet.net.au/iinet-email-messaging-company
 Even the “new” company taking over (The Messaging Company), website's
 is fairly sparse on information.
 Definitely going to be a bit of wake up call for a lot of people. Who
 may have an @isp address for 20+ years, then find if they want to
   keep
 it they now have to pay. And I’m sure the internet plans won’t see a
 price decrease for the money saved on not supplying/hosting email
 addresses. Hey, I could be wrong,…but, well….time will tell.
 (I have an @iinet address that I’ve had for about 22+ years that I’ve
 been with them - not that I use it very much….but it’s there).
 I know I have quite a lot of clients that use their @isp address, so
 definitely going to be a change for a lot of people.
 Another good reason to have a domain name I guess, or a “free” email
 address like @iCloud.com, @gmail.com etc- then you can change ISPs
 without having to tell everyone your email address has changed.
 (As an aside, the price is about “normal” - as I looked at some of
   the
 “email only” hosting plans I have for clients and a 10GB plan is $60
   a
 year per mailbox)
 Definitely will be something to watch and see what happens with it.
 Thought I’d post to the list as possibly others may not have seen or
 been aware of this. :)
 Kind regards
 Daniel
 ---
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Re: [WAMUG] Iinet/Westnet/TPG/internode etc stopping email address hosting

[Pete Smith via WAMUG]

   G’day Daniel.

   I saw on Internode’s site today that they have not been hosting new
   email addresses since 20 June or thereabouts but I didn’t see anything
   about current ones. Mind you, I wasn’t looking because I was trying to
   access my webmail because Mail was stuffing me around yet again.
   Interestingly, I couldn’t access that at the time as well.

   I might ring them tomorrow to check if my problems are in anyway
   concerned with their new system, although my mail works fine from the
   iPhone.

   I’m off hunting now.
   Regards,
   Pete Smith

   On 1 Aug 2023, at 6:36 pm, Daniel Kerr via WAMUG
wrote:

   Hi All
   An interesting piece of info was brought to my attention, and to be
   honest I hadn’t seen it previously. - (definitely not an email from
   iinet advising me of the change. Possibly an email will come later on
   perhaps?)
   Apparently iinet/TPG and all it’s subsidiaries (Westnet, Internode etc)
   have decided they are no longer going to host their customer’s emails.
   (And new customers signing up are not given an @ISP email address).
   They are moving it over to another business where they (the ISP) are
   apparently paying for it for a year (up to Sept 2024 from what I can
   gather), then after that if you then want to still keep using your @isp
   email address, then you will have to pay for it. I haven’t seen any
   plans as yet, but a few things I read said it could be “from $3.99 per
   email address per month). - though doesn’t show what the quota would
   be.
   Some other people had said to budget about $60 a year to keep the email
   address.
   The “notice” is on all the ISP websites, so for example on the main
   iinet home page (and same for Westnet, TPG, Internode etc), all have a
   link to information about it.
   https://help.iinet.net.au/iinet-email-messaging-company
   Even the “new” company taking over (The Messaging Company), website's
   is fairly sparse on information.
   Definitely going to be a bit of wake up call for a lot of people. Who
   may have an @isp address for 20+ years, then find if they want to keep
   it they now have to pay. And I’m sure the internet plans won’t see a
   price decrease for the money saved on not supplying/hosting email
   addresses. Hey, I could be wrong,…but, well….time will tell.
   (I have an @iinet address that I’ve had for about 22+ years that I’ve
   been with them - not that I use it very much….but it’s there).
   I know I have quite a lot of clients that use their @isp address, so
   definitely going to be a change for a lot of people.
   Another good reason to have a domain name I guess, or a “free” email
   address like @iCloud.com, @gmail.com etc- then you can change ISPs
   without having to tell everyone your email address has changed.
   (As an aside, the price is about “normal” - as I looked at some of the
   “email only” hosting plans I have for clients and a 10GB plan is $60 a
   year per mailbox)
   Definitely will be something to watch and see what happens with it.
   Thought I’d post to the list as possibly others may not have seen or
   been aware of this. :)
   Kind regards
   Daniel
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[WAMUG] Iinet/Westnet/TPG/internode etc stopping email address hosting

[Daniel Kerr via WAMUG]

Hi All

An interesting piece of info was brought to my attention, and to be honest I 
hadn’t seen it previously. - (definitely not an email from iinet advising me of 
the change. Possibly an email will come later on perhaps?)

Apparently iinet/TPG and all it’s subsidiaries (Westnet, Internode etc) have 
decided they are no longer going to host their customer’s emails. (And new 
customers signing up are not given an @ISP email address).

They are moving it over to another business where they (the ISP) are apparently 
paying for it for a year (up to Sept 2024 from what I can gather), then after 
that if you then want to still keep using your @isp email address, then you 
will have to pay for it. I haven’t seen any plans as yet, but a few things I 
read said it could be “from $3.99 per email address per month). - though 
doesn’t show what the quota would be. 
Some other people had said to budget about $60 a year to keep the email address.

The “notice” is on all the ISP websites, so for example on the main iinet home 
page (and same for Westnet, TPG, Internode etc), all have a link to information 
about it.
https://help.iinet.net.au/iinet-email-messaging-company

Even the “new” company taking over (The Messaging Company), website's is fairly 
sparse on information.

Definitely going to be a bit of wake up call for a lot of people. Who may have 
an @isp address for 20+ years, then find if they want to keep it they now have 
to pay. And I’m sure the internet plans won’t see a price decrease for the 
money saved on not supplying/hosting email addresses. Hey, I could be 
wrong,…but, well….time will tell.
(I have an @iinet address that I’ve had for about 22+ years that I’ve been with 
them - not that I use it very much….but it’s there).

I know I have quite a lot of clients that use their @isp address, so definitely 
going to be a change for a lot of people.
Another good reason to have a domain name I guess, or a “free” email address 
like @iCloud.com, @gmail.com etc- then you can change ISPs without having to 
tell everyone your email address has changed.
(As an aside, the price is about “normal” - as I looked at some of the “email 
only” hosting plans I have for clients and a 10GB plan is $60 a year per 
mailbox)

Definitely will be something to watch and see what happens with it.

Thought I’d post to the list as possibly others may not have seen or been aware 
of this. :)

Kind regards
Daniel
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MacWizardry

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Re: [WAMUG] October General Meeting - email saving

[Marcus F Harris via WAMUG]

Thanks Neil,
That’s a very good idea.
I have accumulated too many emails-mostly of no further interest and would be 
happy to delete in bulk except for those that I must keep.
Thanks again
Marcus

Message sent from Marcus's iThing

> On 6 Oct 2022, at 18:19, Neil Houghton via WAMUG  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Marcus,
> 
> I didn't see the meeting either but often want to save a few emails outside 
> of the email client database. One example, I run my own SMSF and want to keep 
> emails to/from the auditor conveniently filed with my other audit 
> documentation.
> 
> I just create an audit emails folder within my audit filing system and, with 
> this folder selected in finder, every time I send or receive a relevant email 
> I just drag and drop the message out of the email client window (Mail or 
> Outlook works the same) into the folder.
> 
> The original email is still in the email system so you can delete or refile 
> as you wish. It makes it very easy to check the filed emails - each year I 
> may have half a dozen or so emails in that years audit folder which can 
> easily be perused just using quicklook (no need to open them in an email 
> program).
> 
> I often do this for online orders/receipts too - I find it easier than 
> searching for the relevant email (even though my email is way over-filed into 
> folders and sub-folders!!)
> 
> 
> I suspect others have their own systems which work for them - as do I for 
> some types of email - but I do find the drag and drop very quick & easy to 
> either a folder on the computer or a thumb drive, as I need.
> 
> HTH
> 
> 
> Cheers
> 
> 
> 
> Neil
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: WAMUG  on behalf of Marcus Harris via 
> WAMUG 
> Reply-To: WAMUG 
> Date: Thursday, 06 October 2022 at 16:57
> To: WAMUG 
> Cc: Marcus Harris 
> Subject: Re: [WAMUG] October General Meeting
> 
>   Hi Maureen,
> 
>   I noticed that the meeting addressed the topic “saving emails before
>   deleting”.
> 
>   I can’t attend meetings, but would be interested to know if there is
>   recording or summary of the discussion for me to look at.
> 
>   Kind regards
>   Marcus
>   Marcus Harris
>   P.O. Box 7135
>   Shenton Park
>   Western Australia 6008
>   Australia
>   Cryptodome Pty Ltd
>   [1]cryptodo...@me.com
>   Mob: +61 (0) 417965618
> 
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Re: [WAMUG] October General Meeting - email saving

[Neil Houghton via WAMUG]

Hi Marcus,

I didn't see the meeting either but often want to save a few emails outside of 
the email client database. One example, I run my own SMSF and want to keep 
emails to/from the auditor conveniently filed with my other audit documentation.

I just create an audit emails folder within my audit filing system and, with 
this folder selected in finder, every time I send or receive a relevant email I 
just drag and drop the message out of the email client window (Mail or Outlook 
works the same) into the folder.

The original email is still in the email system so you can delete or refile as 
you wish. It makes it very easy to check the filed emails - each year I may 
have half a dozen or so emails in that years audit folder which can easily be 
perused just using quicklook (no need to open them in an email program).

I often do this for online orders/receipts too - I find it easier than 
searching for the relevant email (even though my email is way over-filed into 
folders and sub-folders!!)


I suspect others have their own systems which work for them - as do I for some 
types of email - but I do find the drag and drop very quick & easy to either a 
folder on the computer or a thumb drive, as I need.

HTH


Cheers



Neil

-Original Message-
From: WAMUG  on behalf of Marcus Harris via 
WAMUG 
Reply-To: WAMUG 
Date: Thursday, 06 October 2022 at 16:57
To: WAMUG 
Cc: Marcus Harris 
Subject: Re: [WAMUG] October General Meeting

   Hi Maureen,

   I noticed that the meeting addressed the topic “saving emails before
   deleting”.

   I can’t attend meetings, but would be interested to know if there is
   recording or summary of the discussion for me to look at.

   Kind regards
   Marcus
   Marcus Harris
   P.O. Box 7135
   Shenton Park
   Western Australia 6008
   Australia
   Cryptodome Pty Ltd
   [1]cryptodo...@me.com
   Mob: +61 (0) 417965618

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Re: [WAMUG} Random email trash action

[Alex]

Thanks Geoff - will look into this, cheers Alex

> On 19 Oct 2021, at 10:10 pm, Kaye and Geoff  wrote:
> 
> Hello Alex
> 
> On 18/10/2021, at 11:45 PM, Alex wrote:
> 
>> Thank you Stephen & Geoff for your replies.  Apologies for thinking that 
>> everyone is a mind reader!
>> 
>> Using MacBook Pro
>> OS 10.13.6 High Sierra (can’t upgrade to Catalina & beyond due to version of 
>> MYOB I prefer to use - for now)
>> (Apple) Mail
>> POP
> 
> Have you tried "Erase deleted items" under the "Mailbox" menu (at least that 
> is where it is in my very old version 4.5 of Mail). I am assuming that you 
> have a reasonable amount of free disk space; if not try fixing that first.
> 
> The web reports similar problems over the last few years but none say that 
> the messages are empty. Maybe have a look at the raw source (View / Message / 
> Raw Source in my Mail program) of the returned messages to see if that offers 
> any clues.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Geoff
> 
> Kaye and Geoff
> k...@kgweb.org.au
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [WAMUG} Random email trash action

[Kaye and Geoff]

Hello Alex

On 18/10/2021, at 11:45 PM, Alex wrote:

> Thank you Stephen & Geoff for your replies.  Apologies for thinking that 
> everyone is a mind reader!
> 
> Using MacBook Pro
> OS 10.13.6 High Sierra (can’t upgrade to Catalina & beyond due to version of 
> MYOB I prefer to use - for now)
> (Apple) Mail
> POP

Have you tried "Erase deleted items" under the "Mailbox" menu (at least that is 
where it is in my very old version 4.5 of Mail). I am assuming that you have a 
reasonable amount of free disk space; if not try fixing that first.

The web reports similar problems over the last few years but none say that the 
messages are empty. Maybe have a look at the raw source (View / Message / Raw 
Source in my Mail program) of the returned messages to see if that offers any 
clues.

Regards

Geoff

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Re: [WAMUG} Random email trash action

[Alex]

Thank you Stephen & Geoff for your replies.  Apologies for thinking that 
everyone is a mind reader!

Using MacBook Pro
OS 10.13.6 High Sierra (can’t upgrade to Catalina & beyond due to version of 
MYOB I prefer to use - for now)
(Apple) Mail
POP

Cheers,  Alex

> On 18 Oct 2021, at 4:50 pm, Kaye and Geoff  wrote:
> 
> Sorry - chose the wrong message to resend in previous email
> 
> Hello Alex
> 
> On 14/10/2021, at 3:39 PM, Alex wrote:
> 
>> Hello members,
>> 
>> can anyone explain to me why some random emails that I delete but then 
>> decide to return to my In Box are totally blank when I then open them?  Only 
>> To: & Subject: …. are showing.
>> 
>> While here on email topic, how do I set the font colour for the body of my 
>> messages, when I am starting from scratch or replying to someone?  I have 
>> been in  preferences but nothing I do there seems to work.
> 
> You have not given a lot of detail as to what programs you are using and how 
> you read your mail.
> 
> It would help to know:
> 
>  What device/operating system version you are using
>  What mail client are you using
>  Whether you are using POP or IMAP
> 
> Regards
> 
> Geoff
> --
> Geoff and Kaye
> k...@kgweb.net.au
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [WAMUG} Random email trash action

[Kaye and Geoff]

Sorry - chose the wrong message to resend in previous email

Hello Alex

On 14/10/2021, at 3:39 PM, Alex wrote:

> Hello members,
> 
> can anyone explain to me why some random emails that I delete but then decide 
> to return to my In Box are totally blank when I then open them?  Only To: & 
> Subject: …. are showing.
> 
> While here on email topic, how do I set the font colour for the body of my 
> messages, when I am starting from scratch or replying to someone?  I have 
> been in  preferences but nothing I do there seems to work.

You have not given a lot of detail as to what programs you are using and how 
you read your mail.

It would help to know:

  What device/operating system version you are using
  What mail client are you using
  Whether you are using POP or IMAP

Regards

Geoff
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Re: [WAMUG} Random email trash action

[Stephen Chape]

Hi Alex.

I just took a look and I cannot see any permanent way of changing colour of 
text in the body.
Only each time you compose an email.

> On 18 Oct 2021, at 3:59 pm, Kaye and Geoff  wrote:
> 
> Hello members,
> 
> can anyone explain to me why some random emails that I delete but then decide 
> to return to my In Box are totally blank when I then open them?  Only To: & 
> Subject: …. are showing.
> 
> While here on email topic, how do I set the font colour for the body of my 
> messages, when I am starting from scratch or replying to someone?  I have 
> been in  preferences but nothing I do there seems to work.
> 
> Many thanks in advance,
> 
> Alex
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[WAMUG} Random email trash action

[Kaye and Geoff]

Hello members,

can anyone explain to me why some random emails that I delete but then decide 
to return to my In Box are totally blank when I then open them?  Only To: & 
Subject: …. are showing.

While here on email topic, how do I set the font colour for the body of my 
messages, when I am starting from scratch or replying to someone?  I have been 
in  preferences but nothing I do there seems to work.

Many thanks in advance,

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[WAMUG} Random email trash action

[Alex]

Hello members,

can anyone explain to me why some random emails that I delete but then decide 
to return to my In Box are totally blank when I then open them?  Only To: & 
Subject: …. are showing.

While here on email topic, how do I set the font colour for the body of my 
messages, when I am starting from scratch or replying to someone?  I have been 
in  preferences but nothing I do there seems to work.

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Re: Netgear email

[Jennifer Lefroy]

Thank you, Tim.

Regards,
Jennifer

On Sat, 29 Sep 2018 at 17:53, Tim Law  wrote:

> Perhaps the Netgear site will help you>
>
> https://www.netgear.com/support/download/
>
> Tim
>
>
> > On 29 Sep 2018, at 5:14 pm, Jennifer Lefroy 
> wrote:
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> > Good afternoon.  Is the notification of a security firmware update from
> Netgear genuine or scam?
> >
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[Tim Law]

Perhaps the Netgear site will help you>

https://www.netgear.com/support/download/

Tim


> On 29 Sep 2018, at 5:14 pm, Jennifer Lefroy  wrote:
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> Good afternoon.  Is the notification of a security firmware update from 
> Netgear genuine or scam?
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> Many thanks,
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Good afternoon.  Is the notification of a security firmware update from
Netgear genuine or scam?

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Re: Email problem

[Daniel Kerr]

Hi Julie

It’s highly unlikely it came from your machine at all. More then likely it came 
from someone else’s infected computer, but spoofs your email address. This is 
how virus “work around it”.
When a computer gets infected, what some viruses will do is just go through the 
person’s address book and picks a “to” address, and a “from” address. Then 
repeats. So it “spoofs” who it actually comes from.
This way it’s harder to track down sometimes who the infected computer was. As 
your contractor thinks it came from you, and your computer doesn’t show it 
going out at all. Yet some “mutual” contact you both know more then likely is 
where the data was “collected” from.
This has some more info about it here - 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Email_spoofing

Basically, as their “definition” says,…
/quote
Alice is sent an infected email which she opens, running the worm code.
The worm code searches Alice's email address book and finds the addresses of 
Bob and Charlie.
From Alice's computer, the worm sends an infected email to Bob, but forged to 
appear to have been sent by Charlie.
In this case, even if Bob's system detects the incoming mail as containing 
malware, he sees the source as being Charlie, even though it really came from 
Alice's computer; meanwhile Alice may remain unaware that her computer has been 
infected.
/end quote

So more then likely all is fine on your computer, and it’s someone else that 
“pretended” to send out as you.
(email addresses are very easy to “spoof”. I could quite easily post an email 
to wamug which “looks” like it’s come from you, but I’ve actually sent it from 
my computer. Obviously I won’t and most people wouldn’t as it’s against our 
nature to be malicious, but I’m just using that as an example to show what I 
mean).
If however, you want to just check just incase you can run some of the free 
Virus checking software, and even Malware check just incase. Just be aware 
these can take many hours to run sometimes as it looks over all the files etc. 
And from my experience with client computers, it’s very very rare to find 
anything. (I’ve yet to have a client have a “real” virus on their computer in 
the 17 years of doing MacWizardry).
Some of the free Virus checks that people recommend are - 
Sophos -  https://home.sophos.com/free-mac-antivirus
ClamXAV - https://www.clamxav.com
Avast! - https://www.avast.com/en-au/free-mac-security

MalwareBytes can be downloaded here - 
https://www.malwarebytes.com/mac/

Just running the trial of one of them is fine, as if you do run it to scan, 
then you can just remove it once finished. 
But as mentioned, it’s more then likely it will have originated from you in the 
first place, so your computer should be fine.
We’re still pretty lucky in the Mac world for viruses (virii?) as we still 
really don’t get them. (and others may say they’re not running anything all the 
time either as has been the “normal” for many years. It’s not worth the 
“overhead” of computer resources or money.*
*In some places, it’s worth having, just for peace of mind, or a “requirement” 
to have it in certain businesses/organisations, but in generally the Mac is 
still pretty safe. 

Others may disagree with this, but from experience I’ve yet to see anything to 
prove otherwise from my workings around the place.

Hope all that info helps.

Kind regards
Daniel

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> On 20 Jun 2018, at 10:08 pm, Julie Bedford  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> Hoping someone can enlighten me ….
> I had a call from one of our contractors today saying that he had received an 
> email from me yesterday, which was not for him.  When I checked it out, I 
> didn’t send him an email.  He said something similar happened last year.   
> Could this be a virus ?  I use El Capitan  and have held back upgrading to 
> the latest OS.  Is there any software  out there to rid me of this virus, if 
> that is what it is.  Incidentally I have never sent this contractor an email, 
> so his address would not be in my system. 
> 
> Thanks
> Jewels
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Email problem

[Julie Bedford]

Hi All,

Hoping someone can enlighten me ….
I had a call from one of our contractors today saying that he had received an 
email from me yesterday, which was not for him.  When I checked it out, I 
didn’t send him an email.  He said something similar happened last year.   
Could this be a virus ?  I use El Capitan  and have held back upgrading to the 
latest OS.  Is there any software  out there to rid me of this virus, if that 
is what it is.  Incidentally I have never sent this contractor an email, so his 
address would not be in my system. 

Thanks
Jewels

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Re: Changing ISP and porting email address

[Severin Crisp]

I had a similar simple and pain free Westnet, with whom I have been for many 
years, and iiNet.   Change over was easy.  A free new modem came by mail and it 
was only minutes to replace the old one.   On NBN day it just happened in 
minutes.   I had minor issues with ES time persisting on my VOIP phones but a 
friendly helpful Phillipino(??) lady quickly pointed me to the setting.  
I have FTN with max 25 in this area and I regularly get 20+.   
Well done Westnet, iiNet and NBN!
Severin Crisp 

Sent from Sev's iPhone

> On 16 Apr 2018, at 09:44, Barry Sexstone <bjsexst...@netspace.net.au> wrote:
> 
> Hi All
> 
> My experience with iinet changing to NBN (FTN) was excellent. All changed 
> seamlessly including land line to Net phone with number porting.  I was told 
> this could take up to a week bu in the event it was less than 24Hrs.  
> Initially I signed for 25 Mbs and regularly achieved 24.  I noticed that 
> later iinet was offering 50 Mbs for the same price so I changed plans.  Iinet 
> then warned me that NBN Co said the maximum I could expect at my location was 
> 39 Mbs and I could revert to my original plan if I wished.  As  there was no 
> financial advantage I stayed with the nominal 50 and routinely get 35 Mbs 
> which I consider good for a possible 39 maximum.  As my ADSL speed was 
> usually 6 - 7 Mbs I am pleased with the new system.  Goes to show that all is 
> not necessarily doom and gloom.
> 
> Barry
> 
> iMac Retina 5K 27"
> Intel Core i5 3.5 GHz 
> 8 GB RAM
> 1.0 TB HD
> OS X 10.12.2
> 
> 
>> On 15 Apr 2018, at 11:27 pm, Philippe Chaperon <laut...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Diana and all, 
>> 
>> It would appear that NBN would be a hit & miss experience from what I have 
>> been reading. On the other hand after many years of being with Westnet, once 
>> it was taken over twice the service became almost intolerable for me to the 
>> point that I went over to Telstra/Bigpond. 
>> 
>> Although I had some initial problems with the date when the actual swap over 
>> was to happen the swap over to Telstra was smooth and no problems to speak 
>> of. Contrary to most people I have spoken to, my experience with talking to 
>> the staff at the Telstra shop in Morley was less than satisfactory whereas 
>> the Philippine call centre staff were very polite, efficient and did what 
>> they promised to do. This is sad! 
>> 
>> The move from ADSL2 to NBN, still with Telstra/Bigpond went so smoothly that 
>> I could not believe it! We do have fibre to the Node which fortunately is 
>> not very far away from my house. The NBN connection was planned for Saturday 
>> 14th April, so on Friday evening I checked the internet speed whilst still 
>> on ADSL2 being upload at 1.49 mbs and download at 17.41 mbs. As I already 
>> have a modem which is NBN ready Telstra told me I would have nothing to do. 
>> On Saturday morning I checked the speed, using SpeedOf.me, to my surprise 
>> the upload speed showed 16.1 mbps and download speed 50.13 mbs. This is spot 
>> on to the speed Telstra told me my Connect Plus plan will provide. 
>> 
>> Contrary to what I was expecting I did not have to do anything whatsoever 
>> with regards to the modem settings or to my various computers, iPads and 
>> iPhone. This is technology today!!
>> 
>> One small negative report was that viewing Youtube videos was quite 
>> irregular this morning, Sunday am, but for only a short time, and since then 
>> so far right on the dot of 50 mbs.
>> 
>> I am waiting for 5G network to see if their promise of very fast 
>> upload/download speeds eventuate. 
>> 
>> I wish you good luck Diana which whichever path to choose and as they say in 
>> the classics ‘May the NBN be with you” ;)
>> 
>> Re email address, I paid Westnet to keep my email address with them for 1 
>> year which they did not do as they cancelled it immediately and to this day 
>> never received a refund or apology from them. They never acknowledged my 
>> emails requesting progress on this matter. But all this is in the past now. 
>> 
>> Regards to all, 
>> 
>> Philippe Chaperon
>> 
>> On 15 Apr 2018, at 9:21 pm, Michael Hawkins 
>> <michael.hawk...@mjhawkins.com.au> wrote:
>> 
>> Diana,
>> 
>> Having experienced NBN at snail pace night after night (we’re in Doubleview 
>> on copper just over 200 metres from the node) (and it’s even slower during 
>> school holidays) I suggest you get a large download allowance on your mobile 
>> plan as you may find that using the personal hotspot on your iPhone is far 
>> faste

Re: Changing ISP and porting email address

[Barry Sexstone]

Hi All

My experience with iinet changing to NBN (FTN) was excellent. All changed 
seamlessly including land line to Net phone with number porting.  I was told 
this could take up to a week bu in the event it was less than 24Hrs.  Initially 
I signed for 25 Mbs and regularly achieved 24.  I noticed that later iinet was 
offering 50 Mbs for the same price so I changed plans.  Iinet then warned me 
that NBN Co said the maximum I could expect at my location was 39 Mbs and I 
could revert to my original plan if I wished.  As  there was no financial 
advantage I stayed with the nominal 50 and routinely get 35 Mbs which I 
consider good for a possible 39 maximum.  As my ADSL speed was usually 6 - 7 
Mbs I am pleased with the new system.  Goes to show that all is not necessarily 
doom and gloom.

Barry

iMac Retina 5K 27"
Intel Core i5 3.5 GHz 
8   GB RAM
1.0 TB HD
OS X 10.12.2


> On 15 Apr 2018, at 11:27 pm, Philippe Chaperon <laut...@bigpond.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Diana and all, 
> 
> It would appear that NBN would be a hit & miss experience from what I have 
> been reading. On the other hand after many years of being with Westnet, once 
> it was taken over twice the service became almost intolerable for me to the 
> point that I went over to Telstra/Bigpond. 
> 
> Although I had some initial problems with the date when the actual swap over 
> was to happen the swap over to Telstra was smooth and no problems to speak 
> of. Contrary to most people I have spoken to, my experience with talking to 
> the staff at the Telstra shop in Morley was less than satisfactory whereas 
> the Philippine call centre staff were very polite, efficient and did what 
> they promised to do. This is sad! 
> 
> The move from ADSL2 to NBN, still with Telstra/Bigpond went so smoothly that 
> I could not believe it! We do have fibre to the Node which fortunately is not 
> very far away from my house. The NBN connection was planned for Saturday 14th 
> April, so on Friday evening I checked the internet speed whilst still on 
> ADSL2 being upload at 1.49 mbs and download at 17.41 mbs. As I already have a 
> modem which is NBN ready Telstra told me I would have nothing to do. On 
> Saturday morning I checked the speed, using SpeedOf.me, to my surprise the 
> upload speed showed 16.1 mbps and download speed 50.13 mbs. This is spot on 
> to the speed Telstra told me my Connect Plus plan will provide. 
> 
> Contrary to what I was expecting I did not have to do anything whatsoever 
> with regards to the modem settings or to my various computers, iPads and 
> iPhone. This is technology today!!
> 
> One small negative report was that viewing Youtube videos was quite irregular 
> this morning, Sunday am, but for only a short time, and since then so far 
> right on the dot of 50 mbs.
> 
> I am waiting for 5G network to see if their promise of very fast 
> upload/download speeds eventuate. 
> 
> I wish you good luck Diana which whichever path to choose and as they say in 
> the classics ‘May the NBN be with you” ;)
> 
> Re email address, I paid Westnet to keep my email address with them for 1 
> year which they did not do as they cancelled it immediately and to this day 
> never received a refund or apology from them. They never acknowledged my 
> emails requesting progress on this matter. But all this is in the past now. 
> 
> Regards to all, 
> 
> Philippe Chaperon
> 
> On 15 Apr 2018, at 9:21 pm, Michael Hawkins 
> <michael.hawk...@mjhawkins.com.au> wrote:
> 
> Diana,
> 
> Having experienced NBN at snail pace night after night (we’re in Doubleview 
> on copper just over 200 metres from the node) (and it’s even slower during 
> school holidays) I suggest you get a large download allowance on your mobile 
> plan as you may find that using the personal hotspot on your iPhone is far 
> faster than using NBN.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Michael
> 
>> On 15 Apr 2018, at 9:05 pm, Diana & Graham Stevens <diag...@iinet.net.au> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks Daniel & Neil
>> 
>> The girl at Telstra told me I could port email addresses and they allowed 2 
>> free email accounts. I couldn’t see how it would work, takeovers are 
>> different, all the addresses move. I was extremely stressed at the time and 
>> she offered us a deal that sounded good, cheaper than our combined iiNet & 
>> Telstra accounts. I said we would think about it. After a coffee I realised 
>> she hadn’t given us any details, went back and asked her to email the 
>> details.
>> 
>> When I checked our present usage I realised the new plan did not have nearly 
>> enough volume especially as we are using streaming services more these days.
>> 
>> I had gone there t

Re: Changing ISP and porting email address

[Diana & Graham Stevens]

Hi Philippe

I am keeping fingers crossed as I said to Michael. I think Daniel is right 
about ISPs all being much the same, good and bad in parts like the Curate’s egg.

Recently I have been lied to by an iiNet salesman, given correct but incomplete 
information by the Telstra girl, and I am fed up with talking to robots and 
people I don’t understand. But the service from iiNet has mainly been good, 
admittedly most was before the takeover when iiNet was local.

I have had the same email address for almost 22 years, I could change and tell 
the people in my contacts list but my main interest is family history, my email 
is available on many websites, mailing lists etc, I can’t change that.

One person with fibre to curb has told me it’s very good, but it is relatively 
new and it depends on the competence of the crew that install it.

Best wishes from Diana 

Sent from my iPad

> On 15 Apr 2018, at 11:27 pm, Philippe Chaperon <laut...@bigpond.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Diana and all, 
> 
> It would appear that NBN would be a hit & miss experience from what I have 
> been reading. On the other hand after many years of being with Westnet, once 
> it was taken over twice the service became almost intolerable for me to the 
> point that I went over to Telstra/Bigpond. 
> 
> Although I had some initial problems with the date when the actual swap over 
> was to happen the swap over to Telstra was smooth and no problems to speak 
> of. Contrary to most people I have spoken to, my experience with talking to 
> the staff at the Telstra shop in Morley was less than satisfactory whereas 
> the Philippine call centre staff were very polite, efficient and did what 
> they promised to do. This is sad! 
> 
> The move from ADSL2 to NBN, still with Telstra/Bigpond went so smoothly that 
> I could not believe it! We do have fibre to the Node which fortunately is not 
> very far away from my house. The NBN connection was planned for Saturday 14th 
> April, so on Friday evening I checked the internet speed whilst still on 
> ADSL2 being upload at 1.49 mbs and download at 17.41 mbs. As I already have a 
> modem which is NBN ready Telstra told me I would have nothing to do. On 
> Saturday morning I checked the speed, using SpeedOf.me, to my surprise the 
> upload speed showed 16.1 mbps and download speed 50.13 mbs. This is spot on 
> to the speed Telstra told me my Connect Plus plan will provide. 
> 
> Contrary to what I was expecting I did not have to do anything whatsoever 
> with regards to the modem settings or to my various computers, iPads and 
> iPhone. This is technology today!!
> 
> One small negative report was that viewing Youtube videos was quite irregular 
> this morning, Sunday am, but for only a short time, and since then so far 
> right on the dot of 50 mbs.
> 
> I am waiting for 5G network to see if their promise of very fast 
> upload/download speeds eventuate. 
> 
> I wish you good luck Diana which whichever path to choose and as they say in 
> the classics ‘May the NBN be with you” ;)
> 
> Re email address, I paid Westnet to keep my email address with them for 1 
> year which they did not do as they cancelled it immediately and to this day 
> never received a refund or apology from them. They never acknowledged my 
> emails requesting progress on this matter. But all this is in the past now. 
> 
> Regards to all, 
> 
> Philippe Chaperon

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Re: Changing ISP and porting email address

[Diana & Graham Stevens]

That’s depressing news Michael. I have heard similar stories from friends. 

My main reason for choosing iiNet for mobile is their $15 plan which is plenty 
for my modest needs. I was on ‘No Plans’ with Vodaphone, only paid for calls, 
ca $40/year. Didn’t give my number out, used Graham’s.

I shall keep my fingers crossed, transfer to more expensive plan if necessary.

Best wishes from Diana 

Sent from my iPad

> On 15 Apr 2018, at 9:21 pm, Michael Hawkins 
>  wrote:
> 
> Diana,
> 
> Having experienced NBN at snail pace night after night (we’re in Doubleview 
> on copper just over 200 metres from the node) (and it’s even slower during 
> school holidays) I suggest you get a large download allowance on your mobile 
> plan as you may find that using the personal hotspot on your iPhone is far 
> faster than using NBN.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Michael

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Re: Changing ISP and porting email address

[Philippe Chaperon]

Hi Diana and all, 

It would appear that NBN would be a hit & miss experience from what I have been 
reading. On the other hand after many years of being with Westnet, once it was 
taken over twice the service became almost intolerable for me to the point that 
I went over to Telstra/Bigpond. 

Although I had some initial problems with the date when the actual swap over 
was to happen the swap over to Telstra was smooth and no problems to speak of. 
Contrary to most people I have spoken to, my experience with talking to the 
staff at the Telstra shop in Morley was less than satisfactory whereas the 
Philippine call centre staff were very polite, efficient and did what they 
promised to do. This is sad! 

The move from ADSL2 to NBN, still with Telstra/Bigpond went so smoothly that I 
could not believe it! We do have fibre to the Node which fortunately is not 
very far away from my house. The NBN connection was planned for Saturday 14th 
April, so on Friday evening I checked the internet speed whilst still on ADSL2 
being upload at 1.49 mbs and download at 17.41 mbs. As I already have a modem 
which is NBN ready Telstra told me I would have nothing to do. On Saturday 
morning I checked the speed, using SpeedOf.me, to my surprise the upload speed 
showed 16.1 mbps and download speed 50.13 mbs. This is spot on to the speed 
Telstra told me my Connect Plus plan will provide. 

Contrary to what I was expecting I did not have to do anything whatsoever with 
regards to the modem settings or to my various computers, iPads and iPhone. 
This is technology today!!

One small negative report was that viewing Youtube videos was quite irregular 
this morning, Sunday am, but for only a short time, and since then so far right 
on the dot of 50 mbs.

I am waiting for 5G network to see if their promise of very fast 
upload/download speeds eventuate. 

I wish you good luck Diana which whichever path to choose and as they say in 
the classics ‘May the NBN be with you” ;)

Re email address, I paid Westnet to keep my email address with them for 1 year 
which they did not do as they cancelled it immediately and to this day never 
received a refund or apology from them. They never acknowledged my emails 
requesting progress on this matter. But all this is in the past now. 

Regards to all, 

Philippe Chaperon

On 15 Apr 2018, at 9:21 pm, Michael Hawkins <michael.hawk...@mjhawkins.com.au> 
wrote:

Diana,

Having experienced NBN at snail pace night after night (we’re in Doubleview on 
copper just over 200 metres from the node) (and it’s even slower during school 
holidays) I suggest you get a large download allowance on your mobile plan as 
you may find that using the personal hotspot on your iPhone is far faster than 
using NBN.

Cheers,

Michael

> On 15 Apr 2018, at 9:05 pm, Diana & Graham Stevens <diag...@iinet.net.au> 
> wrote:
> 
> Thanks Daniel & Neil
> 
> The girl at Telstra told me I could port email addresses and they allowed 2 
> free email accounts. I couldn’t see how it would work, takeovers are 
> different, all the addresses move. I was extremely stressed at the time and 
> she offered us a deal that sounded good, cheaper than our combined iiNet & 
> Telstra accounts. I said we would think about it. After a coffee I realised 
> she hadn’t given us any details, went back and asked her to email the details.
> 
> When I checked our present usage I realised the new plan did not have nearly 
> enough volume especially as we are using streaming services more these days.
> 
> I had gone there to ask how much it would cost to unlock my prepaid Telstra 
> phone. The  iiNet salesman had told me it would not need to be unlocked, just 
> one of his lies. I was told the amount depended on how long I had been using 
> it, which was hardly at all. She then went on to talk about something else 
> and I forgot to get the price.
> 
> Today I rang Telstra and the girl unlocked it for nothing (I hope, haven’t 
> tried yet). Tomorrow I shall install my iiNet SIM with my Vodaphone number 
> (closing 2G network so my 18 year old Nokia has been pensioned off). 
> 
> We shall stay with iiNet, I already have a SIM for Graham’s Telstra number 
> but can’t activate it until we get NBN (12 Jun according to Telstra) because 
> of special deal on landlines. Have to find out if I can move Telstra phone 
> number to our VoIP phone.
> 
> My main worry is problems with the NBN transition, we’re getting fibre to 
> curb (yank spelling of kerb!) and being unable to understand what they say.
> 
> Thanks again and best wishes from Diana 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On 15 Apr 2018, at 6:51 pm, Neil Houghton <n...@possumology.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Daniel, Hi Diana,
>> 
>> I've been with Internode ever since I moved from Bigpond dial-up to ADSL 
>> broadband back in 2007.
>> 

Re: Changing ISP and porting email address

[Michael Hawkins]

Diana,

Having experienced NBN at snail pace night after night (we’re in Doubleview on 
copper just over 200 metres from the node) (and it’s even slower during school 
holidays) I suggest you get a large download allowance on your mobile plan as 
you may find that using the personal hotspot on your iPhone is far faster than 
using NBN.

Cheers,

Michael

> On 15 Apr 2018, at 9:05 pm, Diana & Graham Stevens <diag...@iinet.net.au> 
> wrote:
> 
> Thanks Daniel & Neil
> 
> The girl at Telstra told me I could port email addresses and they allowed 2 
> free email accounts. I couldn’t see how it would work, takeovers are 
> different, all the addresses move. I was extremely stressed at the time and 
> she offered us a deal that sounded good, cheaper than our combined iiNet & 
> Telstra accounts. I said we would think about it. After a coffee I realised 
> she hadn’t given us any details, went back and asked her to email the details.
> 
> When I checked our present usage I realised the new plan did not have nearly 
> enough volume especially as we are using streaming services more these days.
> 
> I had gone there to ask how much it would cost to unlock my prepaid Telstra 
> phone. The  iiNet salesman had told me it would not need to be unlocked, just 
> one of his lies. I was told the amount depended on how long I had been using 
> it, which was hardly at all. She then went on to talk about something else 
> and I forgot to get the price.
> 
> Today I rang Telstra and the girl unlocked it for nothing (I hope, haven’t 
> tried yet). Tomorrow I shall install my iiNet SIM with my Vodaphone number 
> (closing 2G network so my 18 year old Nokia has been pensioned off). 
> 
> We shall stay with iiNet, I already have a SIM for Graham’s Telstra number 
> but can’t activate it until we get NBN (12 Jun according to Telstra) because 
> of special deal on landlines. Have to find out if I can move Telstra phone 
> number to our VoIP phone.
> 
> My main worry is problems with the NBN transition, we’re getting fibre to 
> curb (yank spelling of kerb!) and being unable to understand what they say.
> 
> Thanks again and best wishes from Diana 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On 15 Apr 2018, at 6:51 pm, Neil Houghton <n...@possumology.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Daniel, Hi Diana,
>> 
>> I've been with Internode ever since I moved from Bigpond dial-up to ADSL 
>> broadband back in 2007.
>> 
>> I must admit I was worried when Internode was bought by iiNet and then iiNet 
>> was bought by TPG - however, I continue to be impressed by their service. Of 
>> course with a good reliable internet provider it is rare for me to actually 
>> NEED the support but I had cause just over a week ago when my internet 
>> connection just stopped working.
>> 
>> I got to talk to an intelligent support person and we got to methodically 
>> work through the problem and agree that since my phone connection was 
>> working and we had ADSL sync OK but no PPP sign -in, and I could duplicate 
>> this problem on two different modems, that there must be a fault on 
>> Internode's end. The fault was logged and I was given a ticket reference in 
>> case I needed to follow up. As it was the fault was fixed (or fixed itself) 
>> several hours later and all was back to normal.
>> 
>> As I say, it is not often I need to deal with them but, when I do, they have 
>> been unfailingly helpful - whether it has been changing plans/services, 
>> changing billing methods or technical problems - I get to deal with 
>> pleasant, efficient and informed personnel.
>> 
>> Just my 2c worth - I am all too happy to complain about the frequent poor 
>> service I find nowadays so it is nice to be able to also report on really 
>> good customer service when I get it ;o)
>> 
>> 
>> Cheers
>> 
>> 
>> Neil
>> -- 
>> Neil R. Houghton
>> 
>> Albany, Western Australia
>> 
>> Tel: +61 8 9841 6063
>> 
>> Email: n...@possumology.com
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: <wamug.org.au-wamug-boun...@lists.wamug.org.au> on behalf of Daniel 
>> Kerr <dan...@macwizardry.com.au>
>> Reply-To: WAMUG <wamug@wamug.org.au>
>> Date: Sunday, 15 April 2018 at 18:12
>> To: WAMUG <wamug@wamug.org.au>
>> Subject: Re: Changing ISP and porting email address
>> 
>>   Hi Diana
>> 
>>   You can’t really “port” an email address to another ISP. When you change 
>> ISP’s you will get a new one.
>>   With iinet, you can pay them $25 per year per email address to “keep” 
>> those email addresses. So if you have 2 email addresses 

Re: Changing ISP and porting email address

[Diana & Graham Stevens]

Thanks Daniel & Neil

The girl at Telstra told me I could port email addresses and they allowed 2 
free email accounts. I couldn’t see how it would work, takeovers are different, 
all the addresses move. I was extremely stressed at the time and she offered us 
a deal that sounded good, cheaper than our combined iiNet & Telstra accounts. I 
said we would think about it. After a coffee I realised she hadn’t given us any 
details, went back and asked her to email the details.

When I checked our present usage I realised the new plan did not have nearly 
enough volume especially as we are using streaming services more these days.

I had gone there to ask how much it would cost to unlock my prepaid Telstra 
phone. The  iiNet salesman had told me it would not need to be unlocked, just 
one of his lies. I was told the amount depended on how long I had been using 
it, which was hardly at all. She then went on to talk about something else and 
I forgot to get the price.

Today I rang Telstra and the girl unlocked it for nothing (I hope, haven’t 
tried yet). Tomorrow I shall install my iiNet SIM with my Vodaphone number 
(closing 2G network so my 18 year old Nokia has been pensioned off). 

We shall stay with iiNet, I already have a SIM for Graham’s Telstra number but 
can’t activate it until we get NBN (12 Jun according to Telstra) because of 
special deal on landlines. Have to find out if I can move Telstra phone number 
to our VoIP phone.

My main worry is problems with the NBN transition, we’re getting fibre to curb 
(yank spelling of kerb!) and being unable to understand what they say.

Thanks again and best wishes from Diana 
Sent from my iPad

> On 15 Apr 2018, at 6:51 pm, Neil Houghton <n...@possumology.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Daniel, Hi Diana,
> 
> I've been with Internode ever since I moved from Bigpond dial-up to ADSL 
> broadband back in 2007.
> 
> I must admit I was worried when Internode was bought by iiNet and then iiNet 
> was bought by TPG - however, I continue to be impressed by their service. Of 
> course with a good reliable internet provider it is rare for me to actually 
> NEED the support but I had cause just over a week ago when my internet 
> connection just stopped working.
> 
> I got to talk to an intelligent support person and we got to methodically 
> work through the problem and agree that since my phone connection was working 
> and we had ADSL sync OK but no PPP sign -in, and I could duplicate this 
> problem on two different modems, that there must be a fault on Internode's 
> end. The fault was logged and I was given a ticket reference in case I needed 
> to follow up. As it was the fault was fixed (or fixed itself) several hours 
> later and all was back to normal.
> 
> As I say, it is not often I need to deal with them but, when I do, they have 
> been unfailingly helpful - whether it has been changing plans/services, 
> changing billing methods or technical problems - I get to deal with pleasant, 
> efficient and informed personnel.
> 
> Just my 2c worth - I am all too happy to complain about the frequent poor 
> service I find nowadays so it is nice to be able to also report on really 
> good customer service when I get it ;o)
> 
> 
> Cheers
> 
> 
> Neil
> -- 
> Neil R. Houghton
> 
> Albany, Western Australia
> 
> Tel: +61 8 9841 6063
> 
> Email: n...@possumology.com
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: <wamug.org.au-wamug-boun...@lists.wamug.org.au> on behalf of Daniel 
> Kerr <dan...@macwizardry.com.au>
> Reply-To: WAMUG <wamug@wamug.org.au>
> Date: Sunday, 15 April 2018 at 18:12
> To: WAMUG <wamug@wamug.org.au>
> Subject: Re: Changing ISP and porting email address
> 
>Hi Diana
> 
>You can’t really “port” an email address to another ISP. When you change 
> ISP’s you will get a new one.
>With iinet, you can pay them $25 per year per email address to “keep” 
> those email addresses. So if you have 2 email addresses you want to keep, 
> then you’d be paying them $50 per year to keep the iinet address.
>But Telstra can’t take those email addresses to them. They can only stay 
> with iinet.
>    So you’d either need to keep the addresses for a year or so, and tell 
> people your “new” email addresses, or carry on paying every year to iinet for 
> them. This is why some people a) stick with their ISP to keep their email 
> address or b) go for a “non-ISP” address (e.g. iCloud.com or gmail.com, 
> hotmail etc). That way they then have the email address “forever”.
> 
>I think a lot of people have on and off problems with iinet (myself 
> included), but when my NBN comes, I’m staying with them for now. I’ll wait to 
> the mess that is NBN is hopefully sorted out and then see what it’s like. I’m 
> working on the “

Re: Changing ISP and porting email address

[Neil Houghton]

Hi Daniel, Hi Diana,

I've been with Internode ever since I moved from Bigpond dial-up to ADSL 
broadband back in 2007.

I must admit I was worried when Internode was bought by iiNet and then iiNet 
was bought by TPG - however, I continue to be impressed by their service. Of 
course with a good reliable internet provider it is rare for me to actually 
NEED the support but I had cause just over a week ago when my internet 
connection just stopped working.

I got to talk to an intelligent support person and we got to methodically work 
through the problem and agree that since my phone connection was working and we 
had ADSL sync OK but no PPP sign -in, and I could duplicate this problem on two 
different modems, that there must be a fault on Internode's end. The fault was 
logged and I was given a ticket reference in case I needed to follow up. As it 
was the fault was fixed (or fixed itself) several hours later and all was back 
to normal.

As I say, it is not often I need to deal with them but, when I do, they have 
been unfailingly helpful - whether it has been changing plans/services, 
changing billing methods or technical problems - I get to deal with pleasant, 
efficient and informed personnel.

Just my 2c worth - I am all too happy to complain about the frequent poor 
service I find nowadays so it is nice to be able to also report on really good 
customer service when I get it ;o)


Cheers


Neil
-- 
Neil R. Houghton

Albany, Western Australia

Tel: +61 8 9841 6063

Email: n...@possumology.com

-Original Message-
From: <wamug.org.au-wamug-boun...@lists.wamug.org.au> on behalf of Daniel Kerr 
<dan...@macwizardry.com.au>
Reply-To: WAMUG <wamug@wamug.org.au>
Date: Sunday, 15 April 2018 at 18:12
To: WAMUG <wamug@wamug.org.au>
Subject: Re: Changing ISP and porting email address

Hi Diana

You can’t really “port” an email address to another ISP. When you change 
ISP’s you will get a new one.
With iinet, you can pay them $25 per year per email address to “keep” those 
email addresses. So if you have 2 email addresses you want to keep, then you’d 
be paying them $50 per year to keep the iinet address.
But Telstra can’t take those email addresses to them. They can only stay 
with iinet.
So you’d either need to keep the addresses for a year or so, and tell 
people your “new” email addresses, or carry on paying every year to iinet for 
them. This is why some people a) stick with their ISP to keep their email 
address or b) go for a “non-ISP” address (e.g. iCloud.com or gmail.com, hotmail 
etc). That way they then have the email address “forever”.

I think a lot of people have on and off problems with iinet (myself 
included), but when my NBN comes, I’m staying with them for now. I’ll wait to 
the mess that is NBN is hopefully sorted out and then see what it’s like. I’m 
working on the “better the devil you know” theory,….lol. I keep Telstra for my 
mobile, but I don’t want my internet with them. But I don’t think there’s a 
“fantastic” ISP out there really. They all seem to have problems here and there 
(which I can understand), but I don’t think any one ISP is that much better 
then anyone. I think all the “great” ISP’s got gobbled up by larger companies. 
And service went out the window……… (service? We can’t afford to factor that 
into our plans,..don’t be silly! lol).
(Yes, sometimes you get the right person and it’s OK,…..other times it’s a 
great big mess). More to do with moving support centres all overseas I think. 
Wouldn’t it be nice if we could do the same. Oh, a problem with the bill? Sorry 
you’ll need to talk to our support centre,…they’re overseas. They only work 
10mins a day once a week, every other day. Leave a message and they’ll get back 
to you,….sometime. Maybe. Perhaps. Hard to say).  :) hehe.

So long story short…..
If you want to keep the emails, you’d need to ask iinet to swap you to an 
“email only account” once you’ve changed to the new provider - then pay per 
each email per year.

Kind regards
Daniel

Sent from my iPhone 7

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> On 15 Apr 2018, at 4:00 pm, Diana & Graham Stevens <diag...@iinet.net.au> 
wrote:
> 
> Can someone tell me where to find information on porting email addresses, 
the preparation for it and how the process works please? We want to take two 
account

Re: Changing ISP and porting email address

[Daniel Kerr]

Hi Diana

You can’t really “port” an email address to another ISP. When you change ISP’s 
you will get a new one.
With iinet, you can pay them $25 per year per email address to “keep” those 
email addresses. So if you have 2 email addresses you want to keep, then you’d 
be paying them $50 per year to keep the iinet address.
But Telstra can’t take those email addresses to them. They can only stay with 
iinet.
So you’d either need to keep the addresses for a year or so, and tell people 
your “new” email addresses, or carry on paying every year to iinet for them. 
This is why some people a) stick with their ISP to keep their email address or 
b) go for a “non-ISP” address (e.g. iCloud.com or gmail.com, hotmail etc). That 
way they then have the email address “forever”.

I think a lot of people have on and off problems with iinet (myself included), 
but when my NBN comes, I’m staying with them for now. I’ll wait to the mess 
that is NBN is hopefully sorted out and then see what it’s like. I’m working on 
the “better the devil you know” theory,….lol. I keep Telstra for my mobile, but 
I don’t want my internet with them. But I don’t think there’s a “fantastic” ISP 
out there really. They all seem to have problems here and there (which I can 
understand), but I don’t think any one ISP is that much better then anyone. I 
think all the “great” ISP’s got gobbled up by larger companies. And service 
went out the window……… (service? We can’t afford to factor that into our 
plans,..don’t be silly! lol).
(Yes, sometimes you get the right person and it’s OK,…..other times it’s a 
great big mess). More to do with moving support centres all overseas I think. 
Wouldn’t it be nice if we could do the same. Oh, a problem with the bill? Sorry 
you’ll need to talk to our support centre,…they’re overseas. They only work 
10mins a day once a week, every other day. Leave a message and they’ll get back 
to you,….sometime. Maybe. Perhaps. Hard to say).  :) hehe.

So long story short…..
If you want to keep the emails, you’d need to ask iinet to swap you to an 
“email only account” once you’ve changed to the new provider - then pay per 
each email per year.

Kind regards
Daniel

Sent from my iPhone 7

---
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MacWizardry

Phone: 0414 795 960
Email: 
Web:   <http://www.macwizardry.com.au>


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requested. 

> On 15 Apr 2018, at 4:00 pm, Diana & Graham Stevens <diag...@iinet.net.au> 
> wrote:
> 
> Can someone tell me where to find information on porting email addresses, the 
> preparation for it and how the process works please? We want to take two 
> accounts one imap, one pop.
> 
> We are thinking of abandoning iiNet after 21.75 years and moving to Telstra. 
> I had planned to move our phone services in the opposite direction in order 
> to save money until I was ‘sold a pup’ by some rotter in South Africa. Having 
> lied to me and wasted my money he became incommunicado. When I complained via 
> their website I got no answer.
> 
> Telstra will be more expensive but it has the advantage that I can get the 
> bus to the Telstra store, I have trouble on the phone with their accents and 
> my hearing.
> 
> Best wishes to all from Diana
> Sent from my iPad
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Changing ISP and porting email address

[Diana & Graham Stevens]

Can someone tell me where to find information on porting email addresses, the 
preparation for it and how the process works please? We want to take two 
accounts one imap, one pop.

We are thinking of abandoning iiNet after 21.75 years and moving to Telstra. I 
had planned to move our phone services in the opposite direction in order to 
save money until I was ‘sold a pup’ by some rotter in South Africa. Having lied 
to me and wasted my money he became incommunicado. When I complained via their 
website I got no answer.

Telstra will be more expensive but it has the advantage that I can get the bus 
to the Telstra store, I have trouble on the phone with their accents and my 
hearing.

Best wishes to all from Diana
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Re: Obscure email problem

[Ronda Brown]

Hi Tim & Rob,

Tim just jogged my memory ;-) I’ve never used Thunderbird but I vaguely 
remember a client used it for awhile, but had problems and I changed him over 
to Apple Mail.

I found a note I had kept on file regarding gmail and Thunderbird.
“When you send directly from Gmail's web mail page you are not using the same 
server that Thunderbird must use when it sends messages.
If the messages appear in your Sent folder it's possible that the problem 
involves a spam filter somewhere between you and the recipient.”

So perhaps try sending to this ‘troublesome person’ from your gmail web mail 
page.

Cheers,
Ronni

 Ronni Brown’s iPad Pro 12.9-inch 256GB 


> On 4 Mar 2018, at 10:33 pm, Tim Law <t...@peoplehelp.com.au> wrote:
> 
> Rob, 
> 
> If you can receive his emails, how about replying to him. Not you creating a 
> new email, but replying to one he has sent you.
> 
> Perhaps reply using your gmail account, then your iinet account.
> 
> Tim
> 
> Sent from Tim's Retina iPad 2
> 
>> On 4 Mar 2018, at 10:05 pm, Rob Phillips <r.phill...@iinet.net.au> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Ronda
>> 
>> Sorry about the delay - life has interceded.
>> 
>> I use Thunderbird, but I get no message about inability to deliver.
>> 
>> I looked at the 'all headers' info, and it didn't tell me much...
>> 
>> 
>> Still a mystery...
>> Rob
>> 
>>> On 2/3/18 12:12 pm, Ronda Brown wrote:
>>> Hi Rob, 
>>> You mentioned “we tried a direct, person-to-person email, and this also 
>>> failed.”
>>> Did you send this email using Apple Mail, if so did you receive any error 
>>> message as to ‘why your message could not be delivered to his address?’
>>> Or look in you sent mailbox. Locate the sent message - Go to View > Message 
>>> > All Headers. It perhaps could give you some hint.
>>> 
>>> You might find some help through Mailman Users group.
>>> https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/
>>> 
>>> https://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2017-July/082315.html
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Ronni
>>> 
>>>  Ronni Brown’s iPad Pro 12.9-inch 256GB 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 2 Mar 2018, at 9:02 am, Tim Law <t...@peoplehelp.com.au> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Has he sent an email to your gmail account so that you are sure you have 
>>>> his right email address. I realise you’ve had success using a different 
>>>> send account, but not knowing all the details, I’m just wondering
>>>> 
>>>> Can you get someone else you know with a gmail account to send him a 
>>>> message
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from Tim's iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>>> On 2 Mar 2018, at 8:55 am, Rob Phillips <r.phill...@iinet.net.au> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Initially, they were group emails sent through Mailman (and I checked the 
>>>>> settings). Once it was clear that this failed, we tried a direct, 
>>>>> person-to-person email, and this also failed.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I don't think I've BCCed him at all.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thinking about it, the person with the admin rights to the Mailman 
>>>>> account is no longer with the organisation, so I haven't seen any bounce 
>>>>> messages from Mailman. These might give a clue as to the problem.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Any bright ideas?
>>>>> Rob
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 2/3/18 5:45 am, Ronda Brown wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Rob,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Are these group emails... bcc‘d? Or emails sent to only one recipient?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  Ronni Brown’s iPad Pro 12.9-inch 256GB
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 1 Mar 2018, at 10:25 pm, Rob Phillips <r.phill...@iinet.net.au> 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Greetings
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> This is a quite obscure problem, and not directly related to Macs. I'll 
>>>>>>> understand if there is no response... :-)
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I have a gmail email account, which works fine (for most people). There 
>>>>>>> is one person (a Windows user) who never receives my Gmail emails. 
>>>>>>> Everybody else does!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I have told him repeatedly that the problem must be at his end. He has 
>>>>>>> made sure that this email address isn't in his junk or blocked list.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> He says that he has reviewed all the email security settings on his 
>>>>>>> computer.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Re emails - your iinet ones are getting through to me; it's the gmails 
>>>>>>>> that don't even though it's on my safer senders list and not on the 
>>>>>>>> blocked one. Can't seem to get around this one but have changed the 
>>>>>>>> last possible security setting.
>>>>>>> I'm just wondering if there's some setting on Gmail which might 
>>>>>>> restrict my messages going to him.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> If nobody knows, which is a good forum to ask?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Rob
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Re: Obscure email problem

[Tim Law]

Rob, 

If you can receive his emails, how about replying to him. Not you creating a 
new email, but replying to one he has sent you.

Perhaps reply using your gmail account, then your iinet account.

Tim

Sent from Tim's Retina iPad 2

> On 4 Mar 2018, at 10:05 pm, Rob Phillips <r.phill...@iinet.net.au> wrote:
> 
> Hi Ronda
> 
> Sorry about the delay - life has interceded.
> 
> I use Thunderbird, but I get no message about inability to deliver.
> 
> I looked at the 'all headers' info, and it didn't tell me much...
> 
> 
> Still a mystery...
> Rob
> 
>> On 2/3/18 12:12 pm, Ronda Brown wrote:
>> Hi Rob, 
>> You mentioned “we tried a direct, person-to-person email, and this also 
>> failed.”
>> Did you send this email using Apple Mail, if so did you receive any error 
>> message as to ‘why your message could not be delivered to his address?’
>> Or look in you sent mailbox. Locate the sent message - Go to View > Message 
>> > All Headers. It perhaps could give you some hint.
>> 
>> You might find some help through Mailman Users group.
>> https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/
>> 
>> https://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2017-July/082315.html
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Ronni
>> 
>>  Ronni Brown’s iPad Pro 12.9-inch 256GB 
>> 
>> 
>> On 2 Mar 2018, at 9:02 am, Tim Law <t...@peoplehelp.com.au> wrote:
>> 
>>> Has he sent an email to your gmail account so that you are sure you have 
>>> his right email address. I realise you’ve had success using a different 
>>> send account, but not knowing all the details, I’m just wondering
>>> 
>>> Can you get someone else you know with a gmail account to send him a message
>>> 
>>> Sent from Tim's iPhone
>>> 
>>>>> On 2 Mar 2018, at 8:55 am, Rob Phillips <r.phill...@iinet.net.au> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Initially, they were group emails sent through Mailman (and I checked the 
>>>> settings). Once it was clear that this failed, we tried a direct, 
>>>> person-to-person email, and this also failed.
>>>> 
>>>> I don't think I've BCCed him at all.
>>>> 
>>>> Thinking about it, the person with the admin rights to the Mailman account 
>>>> is no longer with the organisation, so I haven't seen any bounce messages 
>>>> from Mailman. These might give a clue as to the problem.
>>>> 
>>>> Any bright ideas?
>>>> Rob
>>>> 
>>>>> On 2/3/18 5:45 am, Ronda Brown wrote:
>>>>> Hi Rob,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Are these group emails... bcc‘d? Or emails sent to only one recipient?
>>>>> 
>>>>>  Ronni Brown’s iPad Pro 12.9-inch 256GB
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 1 Mar 2018, at 10:25 pm, Rob Phillips <r.phill...@iinet.net.au> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Greetings
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> This is a quite obscure problem, and not directly related to Macs. I'll 
>>>>>> understand if there is no response... :-)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I have a gmail email account, which works fine (for most people). There 
>>>>>> is one person (a Windows user) who never receives my Gmail emails. 
>>>>>> Everybody else does!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I have told him repeatedly that the problem must be at his end. He has 
>>>>>> made sure that this email address isn't in his junk or blocked list.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> He says that he has reviewed all the email security settings on his 
>>>>>> computer.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Re emails - your iinet ones are getting through to me; it's the gmails 
>>>>>>> that don't even though it's on my safer senders list and not on the 
>>>>>>> blocked one. Can't seem to get around this one but have changed the 
>>>>>>> last possible security setting.
>>>>>> I'm just wondering if there's some setting on Gmail which might restrict 
>>>>>> my messages going to him.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> If nobody knows, which is a good forum to ask?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Rob
>>>>>> 
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Re: Obscure email problem

[Rob Phillips]

Hi Ronda

Sorry about the delay - life has interceded.

I use Thunderbird, but I get no message about inability to deliver.

I looked at the 'all headers' info, and it didn't tell me much...


Still a mystery...
Rob

On 2/3/18 12:12 pm, Ronda Brown wrote:

Hi Rob,
You mentioned “/we tried a direct, person-to-person email, and this 
also failed./”
Did you send this email using Apple Mail, if so did you receive any 
error message as to ‘why your message could not be delivered to his 
address?’
Or look in you sent mailbox. Locate the sent message - Go to View > 
Message > All Headers. It perhaps could give you some hint.


You might find some help through Mailman Users group.
https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/

https://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2017-July/082315.html

Cheers,
Ronni

 Ronni Brown’s iPad Pro 12.9-inch 256GB



On 2 Mar 2018, at 9:02 am, Tim Law <t...@peoplehelp.com.au 
<mailto:t...@peoplehelp.com.au>> wrote:


Has he sent an email to your gmail account so that you are sure you 
have his right email address. I realise you’ve had success using a 
different send account, but not knowing all the details, I’m just 
wondering


Can you get someone else you know with a gmail account to send him a 
message


Sent from Tim's iPhone

On 2 Mar 2018, at 8:55 am, Rob Phillips <r.phill...@iinet.net.au 
<mailto:r.phill...@iinet.net.au>> wrote:


Initially, they were group emails sent through Mailman (and I 
checked the settings). Once it was clear that this failed, we tried 
a direct, person-to-person email, and this also failed.


I don't think I've BCCed him at all.

Thinking about it, the person with the admin rights to the Mailman 
account is no longer with the organisation, so I haven't seen any 
bounce messages from Mailman. These might give a clue as to the problem.


Any bright ideas?
Rob


On 2/3/18 5:45 am, Ronda Brown wrote:
Hi Rob,

Are these group emails... bcc‘d? Or emails sent to only one recipient?

 Ronni Brown’s iPad Pro 12.9-inch 256GB


On 1 Mar 2018, at 10:25 pm, Rob Phillips <r.phill...@iinet.net.au 
<mailto:r.phill...@iinet.net.au>> wrote:


Greetings

This is a quite obscure problem, and not directly related to Macs. 
I'll understand if there is no response... :-)


I have a gmail email account, which works fine (for most people). 
There is one person (a Windows user) who never receives my Gmail 
emails. Everybody else does!


I have told him repeatedly that the problem must be at his end. He 
has made sure that this email address isn't in his junk or blocked 
list.


He says that he has reviewed all the email security settings on 
his computer.


Re emails - your iinet ones are getting through to me; it's the 
gmails that don't even though it's on my safer senders list and 
not on the blocked one. Can't seem to get around this one but 
have changed the last possible security setting.
I'm just wondering if there's some setting on Gmail which might 
restrict my messages going to him.


If nobody knows, which is a good forum to ask?

Cheers

Rob


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Re: Obscure email problem

[Rob Phillips]

Hi Tim
I have the right email address from my address book.

I got a colleague with a Gmail account to send a message to the 'problem 
person' and it got to him...


I'm thinking of getting the 'problem person' to try his webmail and see 
if he receives messages from me.


I'll keep investigating...
Rob

On 2/3/18 9:02 am, Tim Law wrote:

Has he sent an email to your gmail account so that you are sure you have his 
right email address. I realise you’ve had success using a different send 
account, but not knowing all the details, I’m just wondering

Can you get someone else you know with a gmail account to send him a message

Sent from Tim's iPhone


On 2 Mar 2018, at 8:55 am, Rob Phillips <r.phill...@iinet.net.au> wrote:

Initially, they were group emails sent through Mailman (and I checked the 
settings). Once it was clear that this failed, we tried a direct, 
person-to-person email, and this also failed.

I don't think I've BCCed him at all.

Thinking about it, the person with the admin rights to the Mailman account is 
no longer with the organisation, so I haven't seen any bounce messages from 
Mailman. These might give a clue as to the problem.

Any bright ideas?
Rob


On 2/3/18 5:45 am, Ronda Brown wrote:
Hi Rob,

Are these group emails... bcc‘d? Or emails sent to only one recipient?

 Ronni Brown’s iPad Pro 12.9-inch 256GB



On 1 Mar 2018, at 10:25 pm, Rob Phillips <r.phill...@iinet.net.au> wrote:

Greetings

This is a quite obscure problem, and not directly related to Macs. I'll 
understand if there is no response... :-)

I have a gmail email account, which works fine (for most people). There is one 
person (a Windows user) who never receives my Gmail emails. Everybody else does!

I have told him repeatedly that the problem must be at his end. He has made 
sure that this email address isn't in his junk or blocked list.

He says that he has reviewed all the email security settings on his computer.


Re emails - your iinet ones are getting through to me; it's the gmails that 
don't even though it's on my safer senders list and not on the blocked one. 
Can't seem to get around this one but have changed the last possible security 
setting.

I'm just wondering if there's some setting on Gmail which might restrict my 
messages going to him.

If nobody knows, which is a good forum to ask?

Cheers

Rob


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Re: Obscure email problem

[Ronda Brown]

Hi Rob, 
You mentioned “we tried a direct, person-to-person email, and this also failed.”
Did you send this email using Apple Mail, if so did you receive any error 
message as to ‘why your message could not be delivered to his address?’
Or look in you sent mailbox. Locate the sent message - Go to View > Message > 
All Headers. It perhaps could give you some hint.

You might find some help through Mailman Users group.
https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/

https://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2017-July/082315.html

Cheers,
Ronni

 Ronni Brown’s iPad Pro 12.9-inch 256GB 


> On 2 Mar 2018, at 9:02 am, Tim Law <t...@peoplehelp.com.au> wrote:
> 
> Has he sent an email to your gmail account so that you are sure you have his 
> right email address. I realise you’ve had success using a different send 
> account, but not knowing all the details, I’m just wondering
> 
> Can you get someone else you know with a gmail account to send him a message
> 
> Sent from Tim's iPhone
> 
>> On 2 Mar 2018, at 8:55 am, Rob Phillips <r.phill...@iinet.net.au> wrote:
>> 
>> Initially, they were group emails sent through Mailman (and I checked the 
>> settings). Once it was clear that this failed, we tried a direct, 
>> person-to-person email, and this also failed.
>> 
>> I don't think I've BCCed him at all.
>> 
>> Thinking about it, the person with the admin rights to the Mailman account 
>> is no longer with the organisation, so I haven't seen any bounce messages 
>> from Mailman. These might give a clue as to the problem.
>> 
>> Any bright ideas?
>> Rob
>> 
>>> On 2/3/18 5:45 am, Ronda Brown wrote:
>>> Hi Rob,
>>> 
>>> Are these group emails... bcc‘d? Or emails sent to only one recipient?
>>> 
>>>  Ronni Brown’s iPad Pro 12.9-inch 256GB
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 1 Mar 2018, at 10:25 pm, Rob Phillips <r.phill...@iinet.net.au> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Greetings
>>>> 
>>>> This is a quite obscure problem, and not directly related to Macs. I'll 
>>>> understand if there is no response... :-)
>>>> 
>>>> I have a gmail email account, which works fine (for most people). There is 
>>>> one person (a Windows user) who never receives my Gmail emails. Everybody 
>>>> else does!
>>>> 
>>>> I have told him repeatedly that the problem must be at his end. He has 
>>>> made sure that this email address isn't in his junk or blocked list.
>>>> 
>>>> He says that he has reviewed all the email security settings on his 
>>>> computer.
>>>> 
>>>>> Re emails - your iinet ones are getting through to me; it's the gmails 
>>>>> that don't even though it's on my safer senders list and not on the 
>>>>> blocked one. Can't seem to get around this one but have changed the last 
>>>>> possible security setting.
>>>> I'm just wondering if there's some setting on Gmail which might restrict 
>>>> my messages going to him.
>>>> 
>>>> If nobody knows, which is a good forum to ask?
>>>> 
>>>> Cheers
>>>> 
>>>> Rob
>>>> 
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Re: Obscure email problem

[Tim Law]

Has he sent an email to your gmail account so that you are sure you have his 
right email address. I realise you’ve had success using a different send 
account, but not knowing all the details, I’m just wondering

Can you get someone else you know with a gmail account to send him a message

Sent from Tim's iPhone

> On 2 Mar 2018, at 8:55 am, Rob Phillips <r.phill...@iinet.net.au> wrote:
> 
> Initially, they were group emails sent through Mailman (and I checked the 
> settings). Once it was clear that this failed, we tried a direct, 
> person-to-person email, and this also failed.
> 
> I don't think I've BCCed him at all.
> 
> Thinking about it, the person with the admin rights to the Mailman account is 
> no longer with the organisation, so I haven't seen any bounce messages from 
> Mailman. These might give a clue as to the problem.
> 
> Any bright ideas?
> Rob
> 
>> On 2/3/18 5:45 am, Ronda Brown wrote:
>> Hi Rob,
>> 
>> Are these group emails... bcc‘d? Or emails sent to only one recipient?
>> 
>>  Ronni Brown’s iPad Pro 12.9-inch 256GB
>> 
>> 
>>> On 1 Mar 2018, at 10:25 pm, Rob Phillips <r.phill...@iinet.net.au> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Greetings
>>> 
>>> This is a quite obscure problem, and not directly related to Macs. I'll 
>>> understand if there is no response... :-)
>>> 
>>> I have a gmail email account, which works fine (for most people). There is 
>>> one person (a Windows user) who never receives my Gmail emails. Everybody 
>>> else does!
>>> 
>>> I have told him repeatedly that the problem must be at his end. He has made 
>>> sure that this email address isn't in his junk or blocked list.
>>> 
>>> He says that he has reviewed all the email security settings on his 
>>> computer.
>>> 
>>>> Re emails - your iinet ones are getting through to me; it's the gmails 
>>>> that don't even though it's on my safer senders list and not on the 
>>>> blocked one. Can't seem to get around this one but have changed the last 
>>>> possible security setting.
>>> I'm just wondering if there's some setting on Gmail which might restrict my 
>>> messages going to him.
>>> 
>>> If nobody knows, which is a good forum to ask?
>>> 
>>> Cheers
>>> 
>>> Rob
>>> 
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Re: Obscure email problem

[Rob Phillips]

Initially, they were group emails sent through Mailman (and I checked 
the settings). Once it was clear that this failed, we tried a direct, 
person-to-person email, and this also failed.


I don't think I've BCCed him at all.

Thinking about it, the person with the admin rights to the Mailman 
account is no longer with the organisation, so I haven't seen any bounce 
messages from Mailman. These might give a clue as to the problem.


Any bright ideas?
Rob

On 2/3/18 5:45 am, Ronda Brown wrote:

Hi Rob,

Are these group emails... bcc‘d? Or emails sent to only one recipient?

 Ronni Brown’s iPad Pro 12.9-inch 256GB



On 1 Mar 2018, at 10:25 pm, Rob Phillips <r.phill...@iinet.net.au> wrote:

Greetings

This is a quite obscure problem, and not directly related to Macs. I'll 
understand if there is no response... :-)

I have a gmail email account, which works fine (for most people). There is one 
person (a Windows user) who never receives my Gmail emails. Everybody else does!

I have told him repeatedly that the problem must be at his end. He has made 
sure that this email address isn't in his junk or blocked list.

He says that he has reviewed all the email security settings on his computer.


Re emails - your iinet ones are getting through to me; it's the gmails that 
don't even though it's on my safer senders list and not on the blocked one. 
Can't seem to get around this one but have changed the last possible security 
setting.

I'm just wondering if there's some setting on Gmail which might restrict my 
messages going to him.

If nobody knows, which is a good forum to ask?

Cheers

Rob


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Re: Obscure email problem

[Ronda Brown]

Hi Rob,

Are these group emails... bcc‘d? Or emails sent to only one recipient?

 Ronni Brown’s iPad Pro 12.9-inch 256GB 


> On 1 Mar 2018, at 10:25 pm, Rob Phillips <r.phill...@iinet.net.au> wrote:
> 
> Greetings
> 
> This is a quite obscure problem, and not directly related to Macs. I'll 
> understand if there is no response... :-)
> 
> I have a gmail email account, which works fine (for most people). There is 
> one person (a Windows user) who never receives my Gmail emails. Everybody 
> else does!
> 
> I have told him repeatedly that the problem must be at his end. He has made 
> sure that this email address isn't in his junk or blocked list.
> 
> He says that he has reviewed all the email security settings on his computer.
> 
>> Re emails - your iinet ones are getting through to me; it's the gmails that 
>> don't even though it's on my safer senders list and not on the blocked one. 
>> Can't seem to get around this one but have changed the last possible 
>> security setting. 
> I'm just wondering if there's some setting on Gmail which might restrict my 
> messages going to him.
> 
> If nobody knows, which is a good forum to ask?
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Rob
> 
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Obscure email problem

[Rob Phillips]

Greetings

This is a quite obscure problem, and not directly related to Macs. I'll 
understand if there is no response... :-)


I have a gmail email account, which works fine (for most people). There 
is one person (a Windows user) who never receives my Gmail emails. 
Everybody else does!


I have told him repeatedly that the problem must be at his end. He has 
made sure that this email address isn't in his junk or blocked list.


He says that he has reviewed all the email security settings on his 
computer.


Re emails - your iinet ones are getting through to me; it's the gmails 
that don't even though it's on my safer senders list and not on the 
blocked one. Can't seem to get around this one but have changed the 
last possible security setting. 
I'm just wondering if there's some setting on Gmail which might restrict 
my messages going to him.


If nobody knows, which is a good forum to ask?

Cheers

Rob

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Re: Deleting email copies

[Tim Law]

IMAP is the most sensible email setup for multiple devices, not POP.  It 
resolves the problem you are experiencing. 

See if you can reset your server to be an IMAP Account. 

Tim

Sent from Tim's iPhone

> On 13 Dec 2017, at 7:14 pm, Brian Risbey <risb...@bigpond.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Hi All
> I now have multiple devices which allow me to view my email account ( POP 
> Bigpond).
> Is the setting in preferences which deletes copy ‘immediately' going to stop 
> a copy going to each device?
> Deleting the same email on each device is tiresome.
> 
> Brian
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Fwd: Deleting email copies

[Brian Risbey]

Hi All
I now have multiple devices which allow me to view my email account ( POP 
Bigpond).
Is the setting in preferences which deletes copy ‘immediately' going to stop a 
copy going to each device?
Deleting the same email on each device is tiresome.

Brian

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Re: How to convert a POP email account to IMAP

[Peter Crisp]

I managed to locate a fix and have done what it says in here and it is now 
sorted. Seems to be a bug confined to El Capitan.

http://solutionowl.com/mac-mail-account-already-exists-capitan/

Regards


Pete

> On 13 Sep 2017, at 5:07 pm, Peter Crisp <petercr...@westnet.com.au> wrote:
> 
> Hi there, my wife finally got around to rationalizing her Inbox down to <2000 
> unread emails and so given my frequent hassling to get her to migrate to 
> IMAP, she gave the all clear for me to convert her from POP to IMAP Mail 
> account. I had created her IMAP account (but not enabled) some years ago when 
> I made the change myself but these things take time. When given the all 
> clear, I followed the instructions below. Before starting I had deleted the 
> IMAP account created some years ago (the one that had never been enabled) as 
> I was unsure if this would in fact be ok but figured I would be creating an 
> account per step 5 in the instructions below, so should be ok I thought. So I 
> went through Steps 1-4 no problem though it took quite some time to Move the 
> Sent items (~20,000) to a temp folder in the "On My Mac" space. Anyway when 
> the Inbox and Sent items move was completed, I tried to create the IMAP 
> account - I get a message which says "the account already exists". Which I 
> think is Mail's way of saying, "I checked the Server (Westnet) and there is 
> already an account there with those details". The POP account is certainly 
> still available though unticked the "Enabled" button. I suspect the server 
> still has the remnant stub of the IMAP account I created years ago and had 
> subsequently deleted. So my issue is how do I re-create the IMAP account on 
> the MacBook (El Capitan 10.11.5). Any tips welcomed. I rang Westnet who 
> didn't really offer any help but I am surprised and think the issue is at the 
> Westnet server. 
> 
> Regards
> 
> 
> Pete
> 
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
>> From: Peter Crisp <petercr...@westnet.com.au>
>> Date: 11 September 2017 at 12:54:51 pm AWST
>> To: Peter Crisp <petercr...@westnet.com.au>
>> Subject: Fwd: How to convert a POP email account to IMAP
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> 
>> Pete
>> 
>> Begin forwarded message:
>> 
>>> From: Peter Crisp <petercr...@westnet.com.au>
>>> Date: 15 October 2015 at 9:58:27 pm AWST
>>> To: Tim Mills <timsph...@westnet.com.au>
>>> Subject: Fwd: How to convert a POP email account to IMAP
>>> 
>>> I think it was this one.
>>> 
>>> Regards
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Pete
>>> 
>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>> 
>>>> From: Peter Crisp <petercr...@westnet.com>
>>>> Date: 15 October 2015 at 8:07:07 AM AWST
>>>> To: Tim Mills <timsph...@westnet.com.au>
>>>> Subject: Fwd: How to convert a POP email account to IMAP
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Tiffy, what email account type do you operate with? 
>>>> 
>>>> See below thread.
>>>> 
>>>> Regards
>>>> 
>>>> Pete
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>> 
>>>>> From: Peter Crisp <petercr...@westnet.com.au>
>>>>> Date: 14 October 2015 at 9:20:38 PM AWST
>>>>> To: WAMUG <wamug@wamug.org.au>
>>>>> Subject: Re: How to convert a POP email account to IMAP
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Rob, Neil and Daniel et al, the ‘Option’ key did the trick. the 
>>>>> IMAP/POP option presents when you hold the Option key down at the 
>>>>> ‘create’ stage. It went very smoothly from there. Once created it 
>>>>> immediately synchronised around 3,500 emails from the server (mostly Sent 
>>>>> items) - it took just a few minutes. I dragged back the temporarily 
>>>>> created ‘Inbox’ to the real Inbox.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Then I deleted the accounts on my iPhone and iPad and then recreated 
>>>>> there, again straightforward update.
>>>>> 
>>>>> It seems all good now.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I will see how it behaves over the next few days and then recommend to my 
>>>>> wife potentially.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks for the help here folks.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Regards.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Pete...
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 14 Oct 2015, at 7:10 pm, Rob Phillips <r.

Fwd: How to convert a POP email account to IMAP

[Peter Crisp]

Hi there, my wife finally got around to rationalizing her Inbox down to <2000 
unread emails and so given my frequent hassling to get her to migrate to IMAP, 
she gave the all clear for me to convert her from POP to IMAP Mail account. I 
had created her IMAP account (but not enabled) some years ago when I made the 
change myself but these things take time. When given the all clear, I followed 
the instructions below. Before starting I had deleted the IMAP account created 
some years ago (the one that had never been enabled) as I was unsure if this 
would in fact be ok but figured I would be creating an account per step 5 in 
the instructions below, so should be ok I thought. So I went through Steps 1-4 
no problem though it took quite some time to Move the Sent items (~20,000) to a 
temp folder in the "On My Mac" space. Anyway when the Inbox and Sent items move 
was completed, I tried to create the IMAP account - I get a message which says 
"the account already exists". Which I think is Mail's way of saying, "I checked 
the Server (Westnet) and there is already an account there with those details". 
The POP account is certainly still available though unticked the "Enabled" 
button. I suspect the server still has the remnant stub of the IMAP account I 
created years ago and had subsequently deleted. So my issue is how do I 
re-create the IMAP account on the MacBook (El Capitan 10.11.5). Any tips 
welcomed. I rang Westnet who didn't really offer any help but I am surprised 
and think the issue is at the Westnet server. 

Regards


Pete

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Peter Crisp <petercr...@westnet.com.au>
> Date: 11 September 2017 at 12:54:51 pm AWST
> To: Peter Crisp <petercr...@westnet.com.au>
> Subject: Fwd: How to convert a POP email account to IMAP
> 
> 
> 
> Regards
> 
> 
> Pete
> 
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
>> From: Peter Crisp <petercr...@westnet.com.au>
>> Date: 15 October 2015 at 9:58:27 pm AWST
>> To: Tim Mills <timsph...@westnet.com.au>
>> Subject: Fwd: How to convert a POP email account to IMAP
>> 
>> I think it was this one.
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> 
>> Pete
>> 
>> Begin forwarded message:
>> 
>>> From: Peter Crisp <petercr...@westnet.com>
>>> Date: 15 October 2015 at 8:07:07 AM AWST
>>> To: Tim Mills <timsph...@westnet.com.au>
>>> Subject: Fwd: How to convert a POP email account to IMAP
>>> 
>>> Hi Tiffy, what email account type do you operate with? 
>>> 
>>> See below thread.
>>> 
>>> Regards
>>> 
>>> Pete
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>> 
>>>> From: Peter Crisp <petercr...@westnet.com.au>
>>>> Date: 14 October 2015 at 9:20:38 PM AWST
>>>> To: WAMUG <wamug@wamug.org.au>
>>>> Subject: Re: How to convert a POP email account to IMAP
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Rob, Neil and Daniel et al, the ‘Option’ key did the trick. the 
>>>> IMAP/POP option presents when you hold the Option key down at the ‘create’ 
>>>> stage. It went very smoothly from there. Once created it immediately 
>>>> synchronised around 3,500 emails from the server (mostly Sent items) - it 
>>>> took just a few minutes. I dragged back the temporarily created ‘Inbox’ to 
>>>> the real Inbox.
>>>> 
>>>> Then I deleted the accounts on my iPhone and iPad and then recreated 
>>>> there, again straightforward update.
>>>> 
>>>> It seems all good now.
>>>> 
>>>> I will see how it behaves over the next few days and then recommend to my 
>>>> wife potentially.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks for the help here folks.
>>>> 
>>>> Regards.
>>>> 
>>>> Pete...
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On 14 Oct 2015, at 7:10 pm, Rob Phillips <r.phill...@iinet.net.au> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Pete
>>>>> 
>>>>> Daniel's suggestion is the best way to go.
>>>>> 
>>>>> However, note that I suggested (perhaps not very clearly) that you 
>>>>> recreate your old email 'account' in mail.  The important thing to 
>>>>> recognise is that your email account with Westnet still exists. It's just 
>>>>> that the connection to that account in the Mail email browser is being 
>>>>> changed. Unfortunately, Mail calls this an 'account', so it gets 
>>>>> confusing.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Good luck
>>>

email

[Alan Fenton]

Hello.
Receiving WAMUG email again. All seems ok.

>From Alan.
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Re: Mail retrieving hotmail email

[Matt Falvey]

Thanks Gordon, it took a lot of time but creating a new outlook imap account 
was the only way around it while making the Pop account inactive.

Thanks for the heads up.

Matt.


> On 24 May 2016, at 5:31 pm, Gordon Wragg  wrote:
> 
> Create an outlook account, should work fine.  Had the same problem.
> 
> 
> Gordon
> 
> On 24 May 2016 at 12:24, Matt Falvey  > wrote:
> Hi, I have had a problem with the Mail app that started about a week ago, 
> without me changing anything on the Mail app. 
> 
> Mail is set to retrieve my hotmail from live.com  and has 
> been doing so for years without a problem.
> 
> All of a sudden it has started asking me for a password, constantly.
> 
> I type the password in and it does not work.
> 
> I go the MSN and click the link to outlook mail and I get in straight away. I 
> check my password for it in Safari preferences and it is the same as the one 
> I have always used in Mail.
> 
> So I reenter it in Mail and again it keeps asking me for the password 
> constantly.
> 
> Any ideas as to how I can fix this?
> 
> Take care.
> 
> Matt Falvey
> Noranda W. Australia
> 
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Re: Mail retrieving hotmail email

[Gordon Wragg]

Create an outlook account, should work fine.  Had the same problem.


Gordon

On 24 May 2016 at 12:24, Matt Falvey  wrote:

> Hi, I have had a problem with the Mail app that started about a week ago,
> without me changing anything on the Mail app.
>
> Mail is set to retrieve my hotmail from live.com and has been doing so
> for years without a problem.
>
> All of a sudden it has started asking me for a password, constantly.
>
> I type the password in and it does not work.
>
> I go the MSN and click the link to outlook mail and I get in straight
> away. I check my password for it in Safari preferences and it is the same
> as the one I have always used in Mail.
>
> So I reenter it in Mail and again it keeps asking me for the password
> constantly.
>
> Any ideas as to how I can fix this?
>
> Take care.
>
> Matt Falvey
> Noranda W. Australia
>
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Mail retrieving hotmail email

[Matt Falvey]

Hi, I have had a problem with the Mail app that started about a week ago, 
without me changing anything on the Mail app. 

Mail is set to retrieve my hotmail from live.com  and has 
been doing so for years without a problem.

All of a sudden it has started asking me for a password, constantly.

I type the password in and it does not work.

I go the MSN and click the link to outlook mail and I get in straight away. I 
check my password for it in Safari preferences and it is the same as the one I 
have always used in Mail.

So I reenter it in Mail and again it keeps asking me for the password 
constantly.

Any ideas as to how I can fix this?

Take care.

Matt Falvey
Noranda W. Australia

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Re: Attaching JPG to an email as an icon not an inserted image

[petercrisp]

Thanks for that Peter and others responding on this one. A useful tip
you've provided there. I will give it a shot tonight.

 

Regards

 

Pete. 

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Sent:Tue, 19 Apr 2016 07:34:14 +0800
Subject:Re: Attaching JPG to an email as an icon not an inserted image

 On 18 Apr 2016, at 7:39 PM, Peter Crisp  wrote: 
 Evening, I am trying to attach two JPG files to an email and Mail
insists on attaching them as visible pictures into the email. The
recipient of my email says they always show as a picture in the email
and he is unable to save the images out of the email upon receipt 
 I see online there are JPG to ICO convertors. Is this really such as
cumbersome as it is seeming to me. Surely there is a Apple way of
doing this simply.  
 I’m sure this isn’t the first time one of us has had this issue. 
 Any tips please?

 Peter Crisp petercr...@westnet.com.au [2] 

 Windows email clients almost invariably expect to find attachments at
the very bottom of the message, because this is where they put them
themselves. If the attachment is put anywhere else it is regarded as
an inline image and ignored by the software as qualifying as an
attachment. If you can always remember to place your images at the
very bottom of your message, even below your .sig, the Windows
recipient software will find them; otherwise the images show up in the
document as images, can be be difficult or impossible to download,
depending on the email client software and/or the version of Windows. 
 Remember that email is a VERY old file format in computer terms. In
essence, the only thing the email system recognises is text. It knows
nothing about images at all. For this reason, all images and other
attachments are encode into text before being sent, and decoded by
the recipient. These days this process is almost instantaneous and
automatic, but I have been in the game long enough to remember when we
had to be conscious of these things, to the point where we had to
decide what encoding scheme we were going to use in order to ensure
compatibility with our intended recipient, and the rules were often
confusing. 
 BTW - please don’t look for a JPG to ICO converter. You’ll just
be wasting a lot of effort. If you really want the image to look like
an icon, simply right- (or control-) click on it and choose “View as
icon” from the contextual menu. Just be aware that when you do this
with an “inline” attachment, then move to the bottom your message,
it will revert to an image again, and you’ll have to do it again. It
won’t make any difference to your Windows recipient though - as long
as the attachment is at he bottom of your message.  
 Of course, none of this matters if you’re sending to a fellow Mac
user. Everything “just works”. 
 It’s difficult being a Mac user sometimes... 
  Peter Hinchliffe    Apwin Computer Services FileMaker Pro
Solutions Developer
Perth, Western Australia
Phone (618) 9332 6482    Mob 0403 046 948

Mac because I prefer it -- Windows because I have to.   


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Re: Attaching JPG to an email as an icon not an inserted image

[Peter Hinchliffe]

> On 18 Apr 2016, at 7:39 PM, Peter Crisp <petercr...@westnet.com.au> wrote:
> 
> Evening, I am trying to attach two JPG files to an email and Mail insists on 
> attaching them as visible pictures into the email. The recipient of my email 
> says they always show as a picture in the email and he is unable to save the 
> images out of the email upon receipt. 
> 
> I see online there are JPG to ICO convertors. Is this really such as 
> cumbersome as it is seeming to me. Surely there is a Apple way of doing this 
> simply. 
> 
> I’m sure this isn’t the first time one of us has had this issue.
> 
> Any tips please?
> 
> 
> Peter Crisp
> petercr...@westnet.com.au <mailto:petercr...@westnet.com.au>
> 


Windows email clients almost invariably expect to find attachments at the very 
bottom of the message, because this is where they put them themselves. If the 
attachment is put anywhere else it is regarded as an inline image and ignored 
by the software as qualifying as an attachment. If you can always remember to 
place your images at the very bottom of your message, even below your .sig, the 
Windows recipient software will find them; otherwise the images show up in the 
document as images, can be be difficult or impossible to download, depending on 
the email client software and/or the version of Windows.

Remember that email is a VERY old file format in computer terms. In essence, 
the only thing the email system recognises is text. It knows nothing about 
images at all. For this reason, all images and other attachments are encode 
into text before being sent, and decoded by the recipient. These days this 
process is almost instantaneous and automatic, but I have been in the game long 
enough to remember when we had to be conscious of these things, to the point 
where we had to decide what encoding scheme we were going to use in order to 
ensure compatibility with our intended recipient, and the rules were often 
confusing.

BTW - please don’t look for a JPG to ICO converter. You’ll just be wasting a 
lot of effort. If you really want the image to look like an icon, simply right- 
(or control-) click on it and choose “View as icon” from the contextual menu. 
Just be aware that when you do this with an “inline” attachment, then move to 
the bottom your message, it will revert to an image again, and you’ll have to 
do it again. It won’t make any difference to your Windows recipient though - as 
long as the attachment is at he bottom of your message. 

Of course, none of this matters if you’re sending to a fellow Mac user. 
Everything “just works”.

It’s difficult being a Mac user sometimes...

Peter HinchliffeApwin Computer Services
FileMaker Pro Solutions Developer
Perth, Western Australia
Phone (618) 9332 6482Mob 0403 046 948

Mac because I prefer it -- Windows because I have to.

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Re: Attaching JPG to an email as an icon not an inserted image

[Stephen Chape]

Hi Peter,
I had that issue for a couple of years until I found it was not really an issue.
If I click anywhere on the image in the email body and drag it to the desktop 
that is where the file copy lands.
I would think that right clicking the image, followed by COPY and PASTE would 
also work.


> On 18 Apr 2016, at 8:09 PM, Peter Crisp <petercr...@westnet.com.au> wrote:
> 
> For what it’s worth, I thought a little further about this and figured a 
> couple of alternatives that get around the tinkering of images by Mail 
> through the attaching process.
> 
> I sent an invite to the recipient to a Shared folder in the cloud with the 
> images uploaded. Will see how he goes when he accepts that.
> 
> 
> Peter Crisp
> petercr...@westnet.com.au <mailto:petercr...@westnet.com.au>
> 
> 
> 
>> On 18 Apr 2016, at 7:39 PM, Peter Crisp <petercr...@westnet.com.au 
>> <mailto:petercr...@westnet.com.au>> wrote:
>> 
>> Evening, I am trying to attach two JPG files to an email and Mail insists on 
>> attaching them as visible pictures into the email. The recipient of my email 
>> says they always show as a picture in the email and he is unable to save the 
>> images out of the email upon receipt. 
>> 
>> I see online there are JPG to ICO convertors. Is this really such as 
>> cumbersome as it is seeming to me. Surely there is a Apple way of doing this 
>> simply. 
>> 
>> I’m sure this isn’t the first time one of us has had this issue.
>> 
>> Any tips please?
>> 
>> 
>> Peter Crisp
>> petercr...@westnet.com.au <mailto:petercr...@westnet.com.au>
>> 
>> 
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Re: Email deletion

[Stephen Chape]

Hi Severin,
The usual hold SHIFT while selecting the first and last email works for me.


> On 18 Apr 2016, at 9:21 PM, Severin Crisp <sevcr...@westnet.com.au> wrote:
> 
> can I delete blocks of emails, but not the lot?
> Severin crisp
> 
> 
>  Assoc Prof R Severin Crisp, FAIP, FIP, CPhys
> 15 Thomas St, Mount Clarence, Albany, 6330, Western Australia
>   ph (08) 9842 1950 ( Int'l +61 8 9842 1950)
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Email deletion

[Severin Crisp]

can I delete blocks of emails, but not the lot?
Severin crisp


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Re: Attaching JPG to an email as an icon not an inserted image

[Peter Crisp]

For what it’s worth, I thought a little further about this and figured a couple 
of alternatives that get around the tinkering of images by Mail through the 
attaching process.

I sent an invite to the recipient to a Shared folder in the cloud with the 
images uploaded. Will see how he goes when he accepts that.


Peter Crisp
petercr...@westnet.com.au



> On 18 Apr 2016, at 7:39 PM, Peter Crisp <petercr...@westnet.com.au> wrote:
> 
> Evening, I am trying to attach two JPG files to an email and Mail insists on 
> attaching them as visible pictures into the email. The recipient of my email 
> says they always show as a picture in the email and he is unable to save the 
> images out of the email upon receipt. 
> 
> I see online there are JPG to ICO convertors. Is this really such as 
> cumbersome as it is seeming to me. Surely there is a Apple way of doing this 
> simply. 
> 
> I’m sure this isn’t the first time one of us has had this issue.
> 
> Any tips please?
> 
> 
> Peter Crisp
> petercr...@westnet.com.au <mailto:petercr...@westnet.com.au>
> 
> 
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Attaching JPG to an email as an icon not an inserted image

[Peter Crisp]

Evening, I am trying to attach two JPG files to an email and Mail insists on 
attaching them as visible pictures into the email. The recipient of my email 
says they always show as a picture in the email and he is unable to save the 
images out of the email upon receipt. 

I see online there are JPG to ICO convertors. Is this really such as cumbersome 
as it is seeming to me. Surely there is a Apple way of doing this simply. 

I’m sure this isn’t the first time one of us has had this issue.

Any tips please?


Peter Crisp
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Malicious Email From A Nadia Maria Ochoa

[Pete Smith]

Hi all.

Just an advisory warning.

I got an email from a Nadia Maria Ochoa which was blank save for a zip file 
titled Photos.zip and a subject of Photos. The sender’s address is 
“nadia_m_ochoaXX"  sent from “yahoo.es”. The XX is random numbers. It delivers 
malware, specifically the Locky ransomware.

Delete it.

The name rings a bell so I don’t know if it’s been doing the rounds for awhile.

I found the following on the interwebby re the email address

<https://myonlinesecurity.co.uk/photos-nadia-maria-ochoa-js-malware-delivers-locky-ransomware/
 
<https://myonlinesecurity.co.uk/photos-nadia-maria-ochoa-js-malware-delivers-locky-ransomware/>>

PS I didn’t open it just deleted it.

Regards,

Pete Smith

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Re: The results of your email commands

[Susan Hastings]

Bill, I suggested two things. One was doing a hard reset of the phone, the 
other was doing a full restore attached to your Mac. So, it’s not clear if you 
have done both. cheers, Susan.

> On 23 Dec 2015, at 8:46 AM, Bill Parker <ren...@westnet.com.au> wrote:
> 
> Thansk Susan,
> 
> 
> Tried that but the only things that has changed was the message count from 
> 20,621 to 20,622 although two messages were received.
> 
> Bill
>> On 23 Dec 2015, at 15:39, Susan Hastings <shasti...@iinet.net.au 
>> <mailto:shasti...@iinet.net.au>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Bill, have you tried resetting the phone by pressing down the on off key 
>> and the home key together. You have to hold them down until it begins to 
>> restart.
>> 
>> Have you tried linking it to your computer and doing a restore as a new 
>> phone, then Using your backup to restore things.
>> 
>> Cheers, Susan.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> On 23 Dec 2015, at 8:15 AM, Bill Parker <ren...@westnet.com.au 
>> <mailto:ren...@westnet.com.au>> wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>> 
>>>> From: wamug.org.au-wamug-ow...@lists.wamug.org.au 
>>>> <mailto:wamug.org.au-wamug-ow...@lists.wamug.org.au>
>>>> Date: 23 December 2015 at 15:11:26 AWST
>>>> To: ren...@westnet.com.au <mailto:ren...@westnet.com.au>
>>>> Subject: The results of your email commands
>>>> 
>>>> The results of your email command are provided below. Attached is your
>>>> original message.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> - Unprocessed:
>>>>My “ancient” iPhone 4 seems to be out of control.  The system is  V 
>>>> 7.1.2 and there is 263MB of space.
>>>>The battery is now dying after 6 hours and less with limited use.
>>>>However, there are some emails that cannot be deleted ( except by 
>>>> switching the phone OFF then ON)
>>>>The Email inbox is now showing 20,621 messages  but actually empty.
>>>>The Email sent box has shown 116 messages but actually empty and 
>>>> doesn’t change even if I do send messages.
>>>>Last night it made spontaneous call ( at 10.00 pm) to a number in my 
>>>> contacts list based in Melbourne.
>>>>The main screen also went blank and only was restorable by pressing the 
>>>> on/off switch at the top, not the button at the bottom.
>>>>Its only used for phone and txt messages with the occasional picture 
>>>> taken and not much else.  Its on 24/7.
>>>>Time to dump?
>>>>Bill
>>>> 
>>>> - Ignored:
>>>>Dr Bill Parker
>>>>ren...@westnet.com.au <mailto:ren...@westnet.com.au>
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> - Done.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> From: Bill Parker <ren...@westnet.com.au <mailto:ren...@westnet.com.au>>
>>>> Date: 23 December 2015 at 15:11:23 AWST
>>>> To: wamug.org.au-wamug-requ...@lists.wamug.org.au 
>>>> <mailto:wamug.org.au-wamug-requ...@lists.wamug.org.au>
>>>> Subject: Wonky iPhone
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Dear Wamuggers,
>>>> 
>>>> My “ancient” iPhone 4 seems to be out of control.  The system is  V 7.1.2 
>>>> and there is 263MB of space.
>>>> 
>>>> The battery is now dying after 6 hours and less with limited use.
>>>> 
>>>> However, there are some emails that cannot be deleted ( except by 
>>>> switching the phone OFF then ON)
>>>> 
>>>> The Email inbox is now showing 20,621 messages  but actually empty.
>>>> 
>>>> The Email sent box has shown 116 messages but actually empty and doesn’t 
>>>> change even if I do send messages.
>>>> 
>>>> Last night it made spontaneous call ( at 10.00 pm) to a number in my 
>>>> contacts list based in Melbourne.
>>>> 
>>>> The main screen also went blank and only was restorable by pressing the 
>>>> on/off switch at the top, not the button at the bottom.
>>>> 
>>>> Its only used for phone and txt messages with the occasional picture taken 
>>>> and not much else.  Its on 24/7.
>>>> 
>>>> Time to dump?
>>>> 
>>>> Bill
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>

Re: The results of your email commands

[Bill Parker]

I have no idea how to do a full restore when attached to the laptop.  MacBook 
Pro  OS 10.11.1

B
> On 23 Dec 2015, at 17:54, Susan Hastings <shasti...@iinet.net.au> wrote:
> 
> Bill, I suggested two things. One was doing a hard reset of the phone, the 
> other was doing a full restore attached to your Mac. So, it’s not clear if 
> you have done both. cheers, Susan.
> 
>> On 23 Dec 2015, at 8:46 AM, Bill Parker <ren...@westnet.com.au 
>> <mailto:ren...@westnet.com.au>> wrote:
>> 
>> Thansk Susan,
>> 
>> 
>> Tried that but the only things that has changed was the message count from 
>> 20,621 to 20,622 although two messages were received.
>> 
>> Bill
>>> On 23 Dec 2015, at 15:39, Susan Hastings <shasti...@iinet.net.au 
>>> <mailto:shasti...@iinet.net.au>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Bill, have you tried resetting the phone by pressing down the on off key 
>>> and the home key together. You have to hold them down until it begins to 
>>> restart.
>>> 
>>> Have you tried linking it to your computer and doing a restore as a new 
>>> phone, then Using your backup to restore things.
>>> 
>>> Cheers, Susan.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
>>> On 23 Dec 2015, at 8:15 AM, Bill Parker <ren...@westnet.com.au 
>>> <mailto:ren...@westnet.com.au>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>>> 
>>>>> From: wamug.org.au-wamug-ow...@lists.wamug.org.au 
>>>>> <mailto:wamug.org.au-wamug-ow...@lists.wamug.org.au>
>>>>> Date: 23 December 2015 at 15:11:26 AWST
>>>>> To: ren...@westnet.com.au <mailto:ren...@westnet.com.au>
>>>>> Subject: The results of your email commands
>>>>> 
>>>>> The results of your email command are provided below. Attached is your
>>>>> original message.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> - Unprocessed:
>>>>>My “ancient” iPhone 4 seems to be out of control.  The system is  V 
>>>>> 7.1.2 and there is 263MB of space.
>>>>>The battery is now dying after 6 hours and less with limited use.
>>>>>However, there are some emails that cannot be deleted ( except by 
>>>>> switching the phone OFF then ON)
>>>>>The Email inbox is now showing 20,621 messages  but actually empty.
>>>>>The Email sent box has shown 116 messages but actually empty and 
>>>>> doesn’t change even if I do send messages.
>>>>>Last night it made spontaneous call ( at 10.00 pm) to a number in my 
>>>>> contacts list based in Melbourne.
>>>>>The main screen also went blank and only was restorable by pressing 
>>>>> the on/off switch at the top, not the button at the bottom.
>>>>>Its only used for phone and txt messages with the occasional picture 
>>>>> taken and not much else.  Its on 24/7.
>>>>>Time to dump?
>>>>>Bill
>>>>> 
>>>>> - Ignored:
>>>>>Dr Bill Parker
>>>>>ren...@westnet.com.au <mailto:ren...@westnet.com.au>
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> - Done.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> From: Bill Parker <ren...@westnet.com.au <mailto:ren...@westnet.com.au>>
>>>>> Date: 23 December 2015 at 15:11:23 AWST
>>>>> To: wamug.org.au-wamug-requ...@lists.wamug.org.au 
>>>>> <mailto:wamug.org.au-wamug-requ...@lists.wamug.org.au>
>>>>> Subject: Wonky iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Dear Wamuggers,
>>>>> 
>>>>> My “ancient” iPhone 4 seems to be out of control.  The system is  V 7.1.2 
>>>>> and there is 263MB of space.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The battery is now dying after 6 hours and less with limited use.
>>>>> 
>>>>> However, there are some emails that cannot be deleted ( except by 
>>>>> switching the phone OFF then ON)
>>>>> 
>>>>> The Email inbox is now showing 20,621 messages  but actually empty.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The Email sent box has shown 116 messages but actually empty and doesn’t 
>>>>> change even if I do send messages.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Last night it made spontaneous 

Re: The results of your email commands

[Michael Hawkins]

Bit awkward isn't it Bill, if a wheel drops off while you're driving. If that's 
the quality you accept  I'm surprised you're not a Windows user.

Michael

Sent from my iPhone

> On 23 Dec 2015, at 7:05 PM, Bill Parker <ren...@westnet.com.au> wrote:
> 
> Thansk,
> 
> I’ll try it tomorrow when I have some time.  Worth investigating with i 
> Tunes.  the Land Rover of course is superior because of the wheel drop that 
> the Cruiser (utes) do not have, still working in the stage coach era.
> Bill
>> On 23 Dec 2015, at 18:44, Susan Hastings <shasti...@iinet.net.au> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Bill,
>> 
>> When you link the iPhone to your Mac iTunes should open automatically. If 
>> not, open it manually. I can’t really give you a step by step process as 
>> Ronni does, but you should be able to find a tab for the iPhone and messages 
>> about whether to restore the iPhone or set it up as a new one. Maybe give 
>> that a try and see what happens.
>> 
>> The iPhone can only be linked to one computer for backups, etc. I’m not sure 
>> if using a backup of the phone would be a good idea as if the iPhone is 
>> corrupted the backup may just restore the problems back onto the iPhone.
>> 
>> Is there anything on the iPhone that would be a problems to lose? Do you 
>> have a list of your Contacts on the computer?
>> 
>> A LandRover might be even better for running over the iPhone than a 
>> Landcruiser, if all else fails.
>> 
>> cheers, Susan
>>> On 23 Dec 2015, at 11:34 AM, Bill Parker <ren...@westnet.com.au> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Its a Land ROVER!  And my mechanic forbids anything but regular truck 
>>> diesel.
>>> 
>>>> On 23 Dec 2015, at 18:31, Michael Hawkins 
>>>> <michael.hawk...@mjhawkins.com.au> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Run over it with the Landcruiser Bill. That should straighten things out, 
>>>> especially if you're still running the cruiser on recycled chicken manure 
>>>> and fish and chip oils and fats. Michael
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On 23 Dec 2015, at 5:59 PM, Bill Parker <ren...@westnet.com.au> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have no idea how to do a full restore when attached to the laptop.  
>>>>> MacBook Pro  OS 10.11.1
>>>>> 
>>>>> B
>>>>>>> On 23 Dec 2015, at 17:54, Susan Hastings <shasti...@iinet.net.au> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Bill, I suggested two things. One was doing a hard reset of the phone, 
>>>>>>> the other was doing a full restore attached to your Mac. So, it’s not 
>>>>>>> clear if you have done both. cheers, Susan.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 23 Dec 2015, at 8:46 AM, Bill Parker <ren...@westnet.com.au> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Thansk Susan,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Tried that but the only things that has changed was the message count 
>>>>>>> from 20,621 to 20,622 although two messages were received.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Bill
>>>>>>>> On 23 Dec 2015, at 15:39, Susan Hastings <shasti...@iinet.net.au> 
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Hi Bill, have you tried resetting the phone by pressing down the on 
>>>>>>>> off key and the home key together. You have to hold them down until it 
>>>>>>>> begins to restart.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Have you tried linking it to your computer and doing a restore as a 
>>>>>>>> new phone, then Using your backup to restore things.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Cheers, Susan.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On 23 Dec 2015, at 8:15 AM, Bill Parker <ren...@westnet.com.au> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> From: wamug.org.au-wamug-ow...@lists.wamug.org.au
>>>>>>>>>> Date: 23 December 2015 at 15:11:26 AWST
>>>>>>>>>> To: ren...

Re: The results of your email commands

[Bill Parker]

4 Landys and only one wheel drop. Try jacking them.  There’s a challenge that 
leaves Windows Ten for dead...
> On 23 Dec 2015, at 19:27, Michael Hawkins <michael.hawk...@mjhawkins.com.au> 
> wrote:
> 
> Bit awkward isn't it Bill, if a wheel drops off while you're driving. If 
> that's the quality you accept  I'm surprised you're not a Windows user.
> 
> Michael
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 23 Dec 2015, at 7:05 PM, Bill Parker <ren...@westnet.com.au 
> <mailto:ren...@westnet.com.au>> wrote:
> 
>> Thansk,
>> 
>> I’ll try it tomorrow when I have some time.  Worth investigating with i 
>> Tunes.  the Land Rover of course is superior because of the wheel drop that 
>> the Cruiser (utes) do not have, still working in the stage coach era.
>> Bill
>>> On 23 Dec 2015, at 18:44, Susan Hastings <shasti...@iinet.net.au 
>>> <mailto:shasti...@iinet.net.au>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Bill,
>>> 
>>> When you link the iPhone to your Mac iTunes should open automatically. If 
>>> not, open it manually. I can’t really give you a step by step process as 
>>> Ronni does, but you should be able to find a tab for the iPhone and 
>>> messages about whether to restore the iPhone or set it up as a new one. 
>>> Maybe give that a try and see what happens.
>>> 
>>> The iPhone can only be linked to one computer for backups, etc. I’m not 
>>> sure if using a backup of the phone would be a good idea as if the iPhone 
>>> is corrupted the backup may just restore the problems back onto the iPhone.
>>> 
>>> Is there anything on the iPhone that would be a problems to lose? Do you 
>>> have a list of your Contacts on the computer?
>>> 
>>> A LandRover might be even better for running over the iPhone than a 
>>> Landcruiser, if all else fails.
>>> 
>>> cheers, Susan
>>>> On 23 Dec 2015, at 11:34 AM, Bill Parker <ren...@westnet.com.au 
>>>> <mailto:ren...@westnet.com.au>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Its a Land ROVER!  And my mechanic forbids anything but regular truck 
>>>> diesel.
>>>> 
>>>>> On 23 Dec 2015, at 18:31, Michael Hawkins 
>>>>> <michael.hawk...@mjhawkins.com.au 
>>>>> <mailto:michael.hawk...@mjhawkins.com.au>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Run over it with the Landcruiser Bill. That should straighten things out, 
>>>>> especially if you're still running the cruiser on recycled chicken manure 
>>>>> and fish and chip oils and fats. Michael
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 23 Dec 2015, at 5:59 PM, Bill Parker <ren...@westnet.com.au 
>>>>> <mailto:ren...@westnet.com.au>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> I have no idea how to do a full restore when attached to the laptop.  
>>>>>> MacBook Pro  OS 10.11.1
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> B
>>>>>>> On 23 Dec 2015, at 17:54, Susan Hastings <shasti...@iinet.net.au 
>>>>>>> <mailto:shasti...@iinet.net.au>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Bill, I suggested two things. One was doing a hard reset of the phone, 
>>>>>>> the other was doing a full restore attached to your Mac. So, it’s not 
>>>>>>> clear if you have done both. cheers, Susan.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 23 Dec 2015, at 8:46 AM, Bill Parker <ren...@westnet.com.au 
>>>>>>>> <mailto:ren...@westnet.com.au>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Thansk Susan,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Tried that but the only things that has changed was the message count 
>>>>>>>> from 20,621 to 20,622 although two messages were received.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Bill
>>>>>>>>> On 23 Dec 2015, at 15:39, Susan Hastings <shasti...@iinet.net.au 
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:shasti...@iinet.net.au>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Hi Bill, have you tried resetting the phone by pressing down the on 
>>>>>>>>> off key and the home key together. You have to hold them down until 
>>>>>>>>> it begins to restart.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Have you

Re: The results of your email commands

[Bill Parker]

Thanks for your help Susan.

I also found I had a battery problem - I sought help via a battery replacement 
and no go there.Went to Telstra and found the phone was out of contract so I 
started a new one with an iPhone 6S.  

Restored the old 4 and will find a home for it or bin it.

Bill
> On 23 Dec 2015, at 18:44, Susan Hastings <shasti...@iinet.net.au> wrote:
> 
> Hi Bill,
> 
> When you link the iPhone to your Mac iTunes should open automatically. If 
> not, open it manually. I can’t really give you a step by step process as 
> Ronni does, but you should be able to find a tab for the iPhone and messages 
> about whether to restore the iPhone or set it up as a new one. Maybe give 
> that a try and see what happens.
> 
> The iPhone can only be linked to one computer for backups, etc. I’m not sure 
> if using a backup of the phone would be a good idea as if the iPhone is 
> corrupted the backup may just restore the problems back onto the iPhone.
> 
> Is there anything on the iPhone that would be a problems to lose? Do you have 
> a list of your Contacts on the computer?
> 
> A LandRover might be even better for running over the iPhone than a 
> Landcruiser, if all else fails.
> 
> cheers, Susan
>> On 23 Dec 2015, at 11:34 AM, Bill Parker <ren...@westnet.com.au 
>> <mailto:ren...@westnet.com.au>> wrote:
>> 
>> Its a Land ROVER!  And my mechanic forbids anything but regular truck diesel.
>> 
>>> On 23 Dec 2015, at 18:31, Michael Hawkins <michael.hawk...@mjhawkins.com.au 
>>> <mailto:michael.hawk...@mjhawkins.com.au>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Run over it with the Landcruiser Bill. That should straighten things out, 
>>> especially if you're still running the cruiser on recycled chicken manure 
>>> and fish and chip oils and fats. Michael
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On 23 Dec 2015, at 5:59 PM, Bill Parker <ren...@westnet.com.au 
>>> <mailto:ren...@westnet.com.au>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I have no idea how to do a full restore when attached to the laptop.  
>>>> MacBook Pro  OS 10.11.1
>>>> 
>>>> B
>>>>> On 23 Dec 2015, at 17:54, Susan Hastings <shasti...@iinet.net.au 
>>>>> <mailto:shasti...@iinet.net.au>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Bill, I suggested two things. One was doing a hard reset of the phone, 
>>>>> the other was doing a full restore attached to your Mac. So, it’s not 
>>>>> clear if you have done both. cheers, Susan.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 23 Dec 2015, at 8:46 AM, Bill Parker <ren...@westnet.com.au 
>>>>>> <mailto:ren...@westnet.com.au>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thansk Susan,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Tried that but the only things that has changed was the message count 
>>>>>> from 20,621 to 20,622 although two messages were received.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Bill
>>>>>>> On 23 Dec 2015, at 15:39, Susan Hastings <shasti...@iinet.net.au 
>>>>>>> <mailto:shasti...@iinet.net.au>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hi Bill, have you tried resetting the phone by pressing down the on off 
>>>>>>> key and the home key together. You have to hold them down until it 
>>>>>>> begins to restart.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Have you tried linking it to your computer and doing a restore as a new 
>>>>>>> phone, then Using your backup to restore things.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Cheers, Susan.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 23 Dec 2015, at 8:15 AM, Bill Parker <ren...@westnet.com.au 
>>>>>>> <mailto:ren...@westnet.com.au>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> From: wamug.org.au-wamug-ow...@lists.wamug.org.au 
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:wamug.org.au-wamug-ow...@lists.wamug.org.au>
>>>>>>>>> Date: 23 December 2015 at 15:11:26 AWST
>>>>>>>>> To: ren...@westnet.com.au <mailto:ren...@westnet.com.au>
>>>>>>>>> Subject: The results of your email commands
>>>>>

Re: The results of your email commands

[Susan Hastings]

Hi Bill, the new iPhone must feel like a wonderful upgrade to a 4. A good 
outcome even if it does cost money. Cheers, Susan.

Sent from my iPad

> On 24 Dec 2015, at 7:50 AM, Bill Parker <ren...@westnet.com.au> wrote:
> 
> Thanks for your help Susan.
> 
> I also found I had a battery problem - I sought help via a battery 
> replacement and no go there.Went to Telstra and found the phone was out of 
> contract so I started a new one with an iPhone 6S.  
> 
> Restored the old 4 and will find a home for it or bin it.
> 
> Bill
>> On 23 Dec 2015, at 18:44, Susan Hastings <shasti...@iinet.net.au> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Bill,
>> 
>> When you link the iPhone to your Mac iTunes should open automatically. If 
>> not, open it manually. I can’t really give you a step by step process as 
>> Ronni does, but you should be able to find a tab for the iPhone and messages 
>> about whether to restore the iPhone or set it up as a new one. Maybe give 
>> that a try and see what happens.
>> 
>> The iPhone can only be linked to one computer for backups, etc. I’m not sure 
>> if using a backup of the phone would be a good idea as if the iPhone is 
>> corrupted the backup may just restore the problems back onto the iPhone.
>> 
>> Is there anything on the iPhone that would be a problems to lose? Do you 
>> have a list of your Contacts on the computer?
>> 
>> A LandRover might be even better for running over the iPhone than a 
>> Landcruiser, if all else fails.
>> 
>> cheers, Susan
>>> On 23 Dec 2015, at 11:34 AM, Bill Parker <ren...@westnet.com.au> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Its a Land ROVER!  And my mechanic forbids anything but regular truck 
>>> diesel.
>>> 
>>>> On 23 Dec 2015, at 18:31, Michael Hawkins 
>>>> <michael.hawk...@mjhawkins.com.au> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Run over it with the Landcruiser Bill. That should straighten things out, 
>>>> especially if you're still running the cruiser on recycled chicken manure 
>>>> and fish and chip oils and fats. Michael
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On 23 Dec 2015, at 5:59 PM, Bill Parker <ren...@westnet.com.au> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have no idea how to do a full restore when attached to the laptop.  
>>>>> MacBook Pro  OS 10.11.1
>>>>> 
>>>>> B
>>>>>>> On 23 Dec 2015, at 17:54, Susan Hastings <shasti...@iinet.net.au> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Bill, I suggested two things. One was doing a hard reset of the phone, 
>>>>>>> the other was doing a full restore attached to your Mac. So, it’s not 
>>>>>>> clear if you have done both. cheers, Susan.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 23 Dec 2015, at 8:46 AM, Bill Parker <ren...@westnet.com.au> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Thansk Susan,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Tried that but the only things that has changed was the message count 
>>>>>>> from 20,621 to 20,622 although two messages were received.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Bill
>>>>>>>> On 23 Dec 2015, at 15:39, Susan Hastings <shasti...@iinet.net.au> 
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Hi Bill, have you tried resetting the phone by pressing down the on 
>>>>>>>> off key and the home key together. You have to hold them down until it 
>>>>>>>> begins to restart.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Have you tried linking it to your computer and doing a restore as a 
>>>>>>>> new phone, then Using your backup to restore things.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Cheers, Susan.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On 23 Dec 2015, at 8:15 AM, Bill Parker <ren...@westnet.com.au> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> From: wamug.org.au-wamug-ow...@lists.wamug.org.au
>>>>>>>>>> Date: 23 December 2015 at 15:11:26 AWST
>>>>>>

Re: The results of your email commands

[Tim Law]

Bill I survived with an iphone4 for many years, then upgraded to a 6S. It's 
just an entirely enjoyable experience now, I can read things in the screen, 
everything works, the camera is wonderful, and Siri says goodnight to me in the 
most delightful way

You won't regret your decision

Tim

Sent from Tim's iPhone

> On 24 Dec 2015, at 2:50 PM, Bill Parker <ren...@westnet.com.au> wrote:
> 
> Thanks for your help Susan.
> 
> I also found I had a battery problem - I sought help via a battery 
> replacement and no go there.Went to Telstra and found the phone was out of 
> contract so I started a new one with an iPhone 6S.  
> 
> Restored the old 4 and will find a home for it or bin it.
> 
> Bill
>> On 23 Dec 2015, at 18:44, Susan Hastings <shasti...@iinet.net.au> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Bill,
>> 
>> When you link the iPhone to your Mac iTunes should open automatically. If 
>> not, open it manually. I can’t really give you a step by step process as 
>> Ronni does, but you should be able to find a tab for the iPhone and messages 
>> about whether to restore the iPhone or set it up as a new one. Maybe give 
>> that a try and see what happens.
>> 
>> The iPhone can only be linked to one computer for backups, etc. I’m not sure 
>> if using a backup of the phone would be a good idea as if the iPhone is 
>> corrupted the backup may just restore the problems back onto the iPhone.
>> 
>> Is there anything on the iPhone that would be a problems to lose? Do you 
>> have a list of your Contacts on the computer?
>> 
>> A LandRover might be even better for running over the iPhone than a 
>> Landcruiser, if all else fails.
>> 
>> cheers, Susan
>>> On 23 Dec 2015, at 11:34 AM, Bill Parker <ren...@westnet.com.au> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Its a Land ROVER!  And my mechanic forbids anything but regular truck 
>>> diesel.
>>> 
>>>> On 23 Dec 2015, at 18:31, Michael Hawkins 
>>>> <michael.hawk...@mjhawkins.com.au> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Run over it with the Landcruiser Bill. That should straighten things out, 
>>>> especially if you're still running the cruiser on recycled chicken manure 
>>>> and fish and chip oils and fats. Michael
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On 23 Dec 2015, at 5:59 PM, Bill Parker <ren...@westnet.com.au> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have no idea how to do a full restore when attached to the laptop.  
>>>>> MacBook Pro  OS 10.11.1
>>>>> 
>>>>> B
>>>>>>> On 23 Dec 2015, at 17:54, Susan Hastings <shasti...@iinet.net.au> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Bill, I suggested two things. One was doing a hard reset of the phone, 
>>>>>>> the other was doing a full restore attached to your Mac. So, it’s not 
>>>>>>> clear if you have done both. cheers, Susan.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 23 Dec 2015, at 8:46 AM, Bill Parker <ren...@westnet.com.au> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Thansk Susan,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Tried that but the only things that has changed was the message count 
>>>>>>> from 20,621 to 20,622 although two messages were received.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Bill
>>>>>>>> On 23 Dec 2015, at 15:39, Susan Hastings <shasti...@iinet.net.au> 
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Hi Bill, have you tried resetting the phone by pressing down the on 
>>>>>>>> off key and the home key together. You have to hold them down until it 
>>>>>>>> begins to restart.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Have you tried linking it to your computer and doing a restore as a 
>>>>>>>> new phone, then Using your backup to restore things.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Cheers, Susan.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On 23 Dec 2015, at 8:15 AM, Bill Parker <ren...@westnet.com.au> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>&

Re: The results of your email commands

[Michael Hawkins]

Run over it with the Landcruiser Bill. That should straighten things out, 
especially if you're still running the cruiser on recycled chicken manure and 
fish and chip oils and fats. Michael

Sent from my iPhone

> On 23 Dec 2015, at 5:59 PM, Bill Parker <ren...@westnet.com.au> wrote:
> 
> I have no idea how to do a full restore when attached to the laptop.  MacBook 
> Pro  OS 10.11.1
> 
> B
>>> On 23 Dec 2015, at 17:54, Susan Hastings <shasti...@iinet.net.au> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Bill, I suggested two things. One was doing a hard reset of the phone, the 
>>> other was doing a full restore attached to your Mac. So, it’s not clear if 
>>> you have done both. cheers, Susan.
>>> 
>>> On 23 Dec 2015, at 8:46 AM, Bill Parker <ren...@westnet.com.au> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thansk Susan,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Tried that but the only things that has changed was the message count from 
>>> 20,621 to 20,622 although two messages were received.
>>> 
>>> Bill
>>>> On 23 Dec 2015, at 15:39, Susan Hastings <shasti...@iinet.net.au> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Bill, have you tried resetting the phone by pressing down the on off 
>>>> key and the home key together. You have to hold them down until it begins 
>>>> to restart.
>>>> 
>>>> Have you tried linking it to your computer and doing a restore as a new 
>>>> phone, then Using your backup to restore things.
>>>> 
>>>> Cheers, Susan.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>> 
>>>>> On 23 Dec 2015, at 8:15 AM, Bill Parker <ren...@westnet.com.au> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> From: wamug.org.au-wamug-ow...@lists.wamug.org.au
>>>>>> Date: 23 December 2015 at 15:11:26 AWST
>>>>>> To: ren...@westnet.com.au
>>>>>> Subject: The results of your email commands
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The results of your email command are provided below. Attached is your
>>>>>> original message.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> - Unprocessed:
>>>>>>My “ancient” iPhone 4 seems to be out of control.  The system is  V 
>>>>>> 7.1.2 and there is 263MB of space.
>>>>>>The battery is now dying after 6 hours and less with limited use.
>>>>>>However, there are some emails that cannot be deleted ( except by 
>>>>>> switching the phone OFF then ON)
>>>>>>The Email inbox is now showing 20,621 messages  but actually empty.
>>>>>>The Email sent box has shown 116 messages but actually empty and 
>>>>>> doesn’t change even if I do send messages.
>>>>>>Last night it made spontaneous call ( at 10.00 pm) to a number in my 
>>>>>> contacts list based in Melbourne.
>>>>>>The main screen also went blank and only was restorable by pressing 
>>>>>> the on/off switch at the top, not the button at the bottom.
>>>>>>Its only used for phone and txt messages with the occasional picture 
>>>>>> taken and not much else.  Its on 24/7.
>>>>>>Time to dump?
>>>>>>Bill
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> - Ignored:
>>>>>>Dr Bill Parker
>>>>>>ren...@westnet.com.au
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> - Done.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> From: Bill Parker <ren...@westnet.com.au>
>>>>>> Date: 23 December 2015 at 15:11:23 AWST
>>>>>> To: wamug.org.au-wamug-requ...@lists.wamug.org.au
>>>>>> Subject: Wonky iPhone
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Dear Wamuggers,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> My “ancient” iPhone 4 seems to be out of control.  The system is  V 
>>>>>> 7.1.2 and there is 263MB of space.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The battery is now dying after 6 hours and less with limited use.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> However, there are some emails that cannot be deleted ( except by 
>>>>>> switching the phone OFF then ON)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The Email inbox i

Re: The results of your email commands

[Michael Hawkins]

The mechanic's  ban would  be because it's a Rover not a Cruiser, Bill so all 
to do with manufacturing and design issues rather than  fuel quality. Bit like 
Windows and Mac.

Sent from my iPhone

> On 23 Dec 2015, at 6:34 PM, Bill Parker <ren...@westnet.com.au> wrote:
> 
> Its a Land ROVER!  And my mechanic forbids anything but regular truck diesel.
> 
>> On 23 Dec 2015, at 18:31, Michael Hawkins <michael.hawk...@mjhawkins.com.au> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Run over it with the Landcruiser Bill. That should straighten things out, 
>> especially if you're still running the cruiser on recycled chicken manure 
>> and fish and chip oils and fats. Michael
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 23 Dec 2015, at 5:59 PM, Bill Parker <ren...@westnet.com.au> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have no idea how to do a full restore when attached to the laptop.  
>>> MacBook Pro  OS 10.11.1
>>> 
>>> B
>>>>> On 23 Dec 2015, at 17:54, Susan Hastings <shasti...@iinet.net.au> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Bill, I suggested two things. One was doing a hard reset of the phone, 
>>>>> the other was doing a full restore attached to your Mac. So, it’s not 
>>>>> clear if you have done both. cheers, Susan.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 23 Dec 2015, at 8:46 AM, Bill Parker <ren...@westnet.com.au> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thansk Susan,
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Tried that but the only things that has changed was the message count 
>>>>> from 20,621 to 20,622 although two messages were received.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Bill
>>>>>> On 23 Dec 2015, at 15:39, Susan Hastings <shasti...@iinet.net.au> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi Bill, have you tried resetting the phone by pressing down the on off 
>>>>>> key and the home key together. You have to hold them down until it 
>>>>>> begins to restart.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Have you tried linking it to your computer and doing a restore as a new 
>>>>>> phone, then Using your backup to restore things.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Cheers, Susan.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 23 Dec 2015, at 8:15 AM, Bill Parker <ren...@westnet.com.au> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> From: wamug.org.au-wamug-ow...@lists.wamug.org.au
>>>>>>>> Date: 23 December 2015 at 15:11:26 AWST
>>>>>>>> To: ren...@westnet.com.au
>>>>>>>> Subject: The results of your email commands
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> The results of your email command are provided below. Attached is your
>>>>>>>> original message.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> - Unprocessed:
>>>>>>>>My “ancient” iPhone 4 seems to be out of control.  The system is  V 
>>>>>>>> 7.1.2 and there is 263MB of space.
>>>>>>>>The battery is now dying after 6 hours and less with limited use.
>>>>>>>>However, there are some emails that cannot be deleted ( except by 
>>>>>>>> switching the phone OFF then ON)
>>>>>>>>The Email inbox is now showing 20,621 messages  but actually empty.
>>>>>>>>The Email sent box has shown 116 messages but actually empty and 
>>>>>>>> doesn’t change even if I do send messages.
>>>>>>>>Last night it made spontaneous call ( at 10.00 pm) to a number in 
>>>>>>>> my contacts list based in Melbourne.
>>>>>>>>The main screen also went blank and only was restorable by pressing 
>>>>>>>> the on/off switch at the top, not the button at the bottom.
>>>>>>>>Its only used for phone and txt messages with the occasional 
>>>>>>>> picture taken and not much else.  Its on 24/7.
>>>>>>>>Time to dump?
>>>>>>>>Bill
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> - Ignored:
>>>>>>>>Dr Bill Parker
>>>>>>&

Re: The results of your email commands

[Susan Hastings]

Hi Bill,

When you link the iPhone to your Mac iTunes should open automatically. If not, 
open it manually. I can’t really give you a step by step process as Ronni does, 
but you should be able to find a tab for the iPhone and messages about whether 
to restore the iPhone or set it up as a new one. Maybe give that a try and see 
what happens.

The iPhone can only be linked to one computer for backups, etc. I’m not sure if 
using a backup of the phone would be a good idea as if the iPhone is corrupted 
the backup may just restore the problems back onto the iPhone.

Is there anything on the iPhone that would be a problems to lose? Do you have a 
list of your Contacts on the computer?

A LandRover might be even better for running over the iPhone than a 
Landcruiser, if all else fails.

cheers, Susan
> On 23 Dec 2015, at 11:34 AM, Bill Parker <ren...@westnet.com.au> wrote:
> 
> Its a Land ROVER!  And my mechanic forbids anything but regular truck diesel.
> 
>> On 23 Dec 2015, at 18:31, Michael Hawkins <michael.hawk...@mjhawkins.com.au 
>> <mailto:michael.hawk...@mjhawkins.com.au>> wrote:
>> 
>> Run over it with the Landcruiser Bill. That should straighten things out, 
>> especially if you're still running the cruiser on recycled chicken manure 
>> and fish and chip oils and fats. Michael
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On 23 Dec 2015, at 5:59 PM, Bill Parker <ren...@westnet.com.au 
>> <mailto:ren...@westnet.com.au>> wrote:
>> 
>>> I have no idea how to do a full restore when attached to the laptop.  
>>> MacBook Pro  OS 10.11.1
>>> 
>>> B
>>>> On 23 Dec 2015, at 17:54, Susan Hastings <shasti...@iinet.net.au 
>>>> <mailto:shasti...@iinet.net.au>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Bill, I suggested two things. One was doing a hard reset of the phone, the 
>>>> other was doing a full restore attached to your Mac. So, it’s not clear if 
>>>> you have done both. cheers, Susan.
>>>> 
>>>>> On 23 Dec 2015, at 8:46 AM, Bill Parker <ren...@westnet.com.au 
>>>>> <mailto:ren...@westnet.com.au>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thansk Susan,
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Tried that but the only things that has changed was the message count 
>>>>> from 20,621 to 20,622 although two messages were received.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Bill
>>>>>> On 23 Dec 2015, at 15:39, Susan Hastings <shasti...@iinet.net.au 
>>>>>> <mailto:shasti...@iinet.net.au>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi Bill, have you tried resetting the phone by pressing down the on off 
>>>>>> key and the home key together. You have to hold them down until it 
>>>>>> begins to restart.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Have you tried linking it to your computer and doing a restore as a new 
>>>>>> phone, then Using your backup to restore things.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Cheers, Susan.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 23 Dec 2015, at 8:15 AM, Bill Parker <ren...@westnet.com.au 
>>>>>> <mailto:ren...@westnet.com.au>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> From: wamug.org.au-wamug-ow...@lists.wamug.org.au 
>>>>>>>> <mailto:wamug.org.au-wamug-ow...@lists.wamug.org.au>
>>>>>>>> Date: 23 December 2015 at 15:11:26 AWST
>>>>>>>> To: ren...@westnet.com.au <mailto:ren...@westnet.com.au>
>>>>>>>> Subject: The results of your email commands
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> The results of your email command are provided below. Attached is your
>>>>>>>> original message.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> - Unprocessed:
>>>>>>>>My “ancient” iPhone 4 seems to be out of control.  The system is  V 
>>>>>>>> 7.1.2 and there is 263MB of space.
>>>>>>>>The battery is now dying after 6 hours and less with limited use.
>>>>>>>>However, there are some emails that cannot be deleted ( except by 
>>>>>>>> switching the phone OFF then ON)
>>>>>>>>The Em

Re: The results of your email commands

[Bill Parker]

Its a Land ROVER!  And my mechanic forbids anything but regular truck diesel.

> On 23 Dec 2015, at 18:31, Michael Hawkins <michael.hawk...@mjhawkins.com.au> 
> wrote:
> 
> Run over it with the Landcruiser Bill. That should straighten things out, 
> especially if you're still running the cruiser on recycled chicken manure and 
> fish and chip oils and fats. Michael
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 23 Dec 2015, at 5:59 PM, Bill Parker <ren...@westnet.com.au 
> <mailto:ren...@westnet.com.au>> wrote:
> 
>> I have no idea how to do a full restore when attached to the laptop.  
>> MacBook Pro  OS 10.11.1
>> 
>> B
>>> On 23 Dec 2015, at 17:54, Susan Hastings <shasti...@iinet.net.au 
>>> <mailto:shasti...@iinet.net.au>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Bill, I suggested two things. One was doing a hard reset of the phone, the 
>>> other was doing a full restore attached to your Mac. So, it’s not clear if 
>>> you have done both. cheers, Susan.
>>> 
>>>> On 23 Dec 2015, at 8:46 AM, Bill Parker <ren...@westnet.com.au 
>>>> <mailto:ren...@westnet.com.au>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Thansk Susan,
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Tried that but the only things that has changed was the message count from 
>>>> 20,621 to 20,622 although two messages were received.
>>>> 
>>>> Bill
>>>>> On 23 Dec 2015, at 15:39, Susan Hastings <shasti...@iinet.net.au 
>>>>> <mailto:shasti...@iinet.net.au>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Bill, have you tried resetting the phone by pressing down the on off 
>>>>> key and the home key together. You have to hold them down until it begins 
>>>>> to restart.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Have you tried linking it to your computer and doing a restore as a new 
>>>>> phone, then Using your backup to restore things.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Cheers, Susan.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 23 Dec 2015, at 8:15 AM, Bill Parker <ren...@westnet.com.au 
>>>>> <mailto:ren...@westnet.com.au>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> From: wamug.org.au-wamug-ow...@lists.wamug.org.au 
>>>>>>> <mailto:wamug.org.au-wamug-ow...@lists.wamug.org.au>
>>>>>>> Date: 23 December 2015 at 15:11:26 AWST
>>>>>>> To: ren...@westnet.com.au <mailto:ren...@westnet.com.au>
>>>>>>> Subject: The results of your email commands
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> The results of your email command are provided below. Attached is your
>>>>>>> original message.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> - Unprocessed:
>>>>>>>My “ancient” iPhone 4 seems to be out of control.  The system is  V 
>>>>>>> 7.1.2 and there is 263MB of space.
>>>>>>>The battery is now dying after 6 hours and less with limited use.
>>>>>>>However, there are some emails that cannot be deleted ( except by 
>>>>>>> switching the phone OFF then ON)
>>>>>>>The Email inbox is now showing 20,621 messages  but actually empty.
>>>>>>>The Email sent box has shown 116 messages but actually empty and 
>>>>>>> doesn’t change even if I do send messages.
>>>>>>>Last night it made spontaneous call ( at 10.00 pm) to a number in my 
>>>>>>> contacts list based in Melbourne.
>>>>>>>The main screen also went blank and only was restorable by pressing 
>>>>>>> the on/off switch at the top, not the button at the bottom.
>>>>>>>Its only used for phone and txt messages with the occasional picture 
>>>>>>> taken and not much else.  Its on 24/7.
>>>>>>>Time to dump?
>>>>>>>Bill
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> - Ignored:
>>>>>>>Dr Bill Parker
>>>>>>>ren...@westnet.com.au <mailto:ren...@westnet.com.au>
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> - Done.
>>>>>>> 
>&g

Re: The results of your email commands

[Bill Parker]

Thansk,

I’ll try it tomorrow when I have some time.  Worth investigating with i Tunes.  
the Land Rover of course is superior because of the wheel drop that the Cruiser 
(utes) do not have, still working in the stage coach era.
Bill
> On 23 Dec 2015, at 18:44, Susan Hastings <shasti...@iinet.net.au> wrote:
> 
> Hi Bill,
> 
> When you link the iPhone to your Mac iTunes should open automatically. If 
> not, open it manually. I can’t really give you a step by step process as 
> Ronni does, but you should be able to find a tab for the iPhone and messages 
> about whether to restore the iPhone or set it up as a new one. Maybe give 
> that a try and see what happens.
> 
> The iPhone can only be linked to one computer for backups, etc. I’m not sure 
> if using a backup of the phone would be a good idea as if the iPhone is 
> corrupted the backup may just restore the problems back onto the iPhone.
> 
> Is there anything on the iPhone that would be a problems to lose? Do you have 
> a list of your Contacts on the computer?
> 
> A LandRover might be even better for running over the iPhone than a 
> Landcruiser, if all else fails.
> 
> cheers, Susan
>> On 23 Dec 2015, at 11:34 AM, Bill Parker <ren...@westnet.com.au 
>> <mailto:ren...@westnet.com.au>> wrote:
>> 
>> Its a Land ROVER!  And my mechanic forbids anything but regular truck diesel.
>> 
>>> On 23 Dec 2015, at 18:31, Michael Hawkins <michael.hawk...@mjhawkins.com.au 
>>> <mailto:michael.hawk...@mjhawkins.com.au>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Run over it with the Landcruiser Bill. That should straighten things out, 
>>> especially if you're still running the cruiser on recycled chicken manure 
>>> and fish and chip oils and fats. Michael
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On 23 Dec 2015, at 5:59 PM, Bill Parker <ren...@westnet.com.au 
>>> <mailto:ren...@westnet.com.au>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I have no idea how to do a full restore when attached to the laptop.  
>>>> MacBook Pro  OS 10.11.1
>>>> 
>>>> B
>>>>> On 23 Dec 2015, at 17:54, Susan Hastings <shasti...@iinet.net.au 
>>>>> <mailto:shasti...@iinet.net.au>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Bill, I suggested two things. One was doing a hard reset of the phone, 
>>>>> the other was doing a full restore attached to your Mac. So, it’s not 
>>>>> clear if you have done both. cheers, Susan.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 23 Dec 2015, at 8:46 AM, Bill Parker <ren...@westnet.com.au 
>>>>>> <mailto:ren...@westnet.com.au>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thansk Susan,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Tried that but the only things that has changed was the message count 
>>>>>> from 20,621 to 20,622 although two messages were received.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Bill
>>>>>>> On 23 Dec 2015, at 15:39, Susan Hastings <shasti...@iinet.net.au 
>>>>>>> <mailto:shasti...@iinet.net.au>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hi Bill, have you tried resetting the phone by pressing down the on off 
>>>>>>> key and the home key together. You have to hold them down until it 
>>>>>>> begins to restart.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Have you tried linking it to your computer and doing a restore as a new 
>>>>>>> phone, then Using your backup to restore things.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Cheers, Susan.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 23 Dec 2015, at 8:15 AM, Bill Parker <ren...@westnet.com.au 
>>>>>>> <mailto:ren...@westnet.com.au>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> From: wamug.org.au-wamug-ow...@lists.wamug.org.au 
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:wamug.org.au-wamug-ow...@lists.wamug.org.au>
>>>>>>>>> Date: 23 December 2015 at 15:11:26 AWST
>>>>>>>>> To: ren...@westnet.com.au <mailto:ren...@westnet.com.au>
>>>>>>>>> Subject: The results of your email commands
>>>>>>>>> 

Fwd: The results of your email commands

[Bill Parker]

> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> From: wamug.org.au-wamug-ow...@lists.wamug.org.au
> Date: 23 December 2015 at 15:11:26 AWST
> To: ren...@westnet.com.au
> Subject: The results of your email commands
> 
> The results of your email command are provided below. Attached is your
> original message.
> 
> 
> - Unprocessed:
>My “ancient” iPhone 4 seems to be out of control.  The system is  V 7.1.2 
> and there is 263MB of space.
>The battery is now dying after 6 hours and less with limited use.
>However, there are some emails that cannot be deleted ( except by 
> switching the phone OFF then ON)
>The Email inbox is now showing 20,621 messages  but actually empty.
>The Email sent box has shown 116 messages but actually empty and doesn’t 
> change even if I do send messages.
>Last night it made spontaneous call ( at 10.00 pm) to a number in my 
> contacts list based in Melbourne.
>The main screen also went blank and only was restorable by pressing the 
> on/off switch at the top, not the button at the bottom.
>Its only used for phone and txt messages with the occasional picture taken 
> and not much else.  Its on 24/7.
>Time to dump?
>Bill
> 
> - Ignored:
>Dr Bill Parker
>ren...@westnet.com.au
> 
> 
> 
> 
> - Done.
> 
> 
> From: Bill Parker <ren...@westnet.com.au>
> Date: 23 December 2015 at 15:11:23 AWST
> To: wamug.org.au-wamug-requ...@lists.wamug.org.au
> Subject: Wonky iPhone
> 
> 
> Dear Wamuggers,
> 
> My “ancient” iPhone 4 seems to be out of control.  The system is  V 7.1.2 and 
> there is 263MB of space.
> 
> The battery is now dying after 6 hours and less with limited use.
> 
> However, there are some emails that cannot be deleted ( except by switching 
> the phone OFF then ON)
> 
> The Email inbox is now showing 20,621 messages  but actually empty.
> 
> The Email sent box has shown 116 messages but actually empty and doesn’t 
> change even if I do send messages.
> 
> Last night it made spontaneous call ( at 10.00 pm) to a number in my contacts 
> list based in Melbourne.
> 
> The main screen also went blank and only was restorable by pressing the 
> on/off switch at the top, not the button at the bottom.
> 
> Its only used for phone and txt messages with the occasional picture taken 
> and not much else.  Its on 24/7.
> 
> Time to dump?
> 
> Bill
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Dr Bill Parker
> ren...@westnet.com.au
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

Dr Bill Parker
ren...@westnet.com.au



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Re: The results of your email commands

[Susan Hastings]

Hi Bill, have you tried resetting the phone by pressing down the on off key and 
the home key together. You have to hold them down until it begins to restart.

Have you tried linking it to your computer and doing a restore as a new phone, 
then Using your backup to restore things.

Cheers, Susan.


Sent from my iPad

> On 23 Dec 2015, at 8:15 AM, Bill Parker <ren...@westnet.com.au> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> Begin forwarded message:
>> 
>> From: wamug.org.au-wamug-ow...@lists.wamug.org.au
>> Date: 23 December 2015 at 15:11:26 AWST
>> To: ren...@westnet.com.au
>> Subject: The results of your email commands
>> 
>> The results of your email command are provided below. Attached is your
>> original message.
>> 
>> 
>> - Unprocessed:
>>My “ancient” iPhone 4 seems to be out of control.  The system is  V 7.1.2 
>> and there is 263MB of space.
>>The battery is now dying after 6 hours and less with limited use.
>>    However, there are some emails that cannot be deleted ( except by 
>> switching the phone OFF then ON)
>>The Email inbox is now showing 20,621 messages  but actually empty.
>>The Email sent box has shown 116 messages but actually empty and doesn’t 
>> change even if I do send messages.
>>Last night it made spontaneous call ( at 10.00 pm) to a number in my 
>> contacts list based in Melbourne.
>>The main screen also went blank and only was restorable by pressing the 
>> on/off switch at the top, not the button at the bottom.
>>Its only used for phone and txt messages with the occasional picture 
>> taken and not much else.  Its on 24/7.
>>Time to dump?
>>Bill
>> 
>> - Ignored:
>>Dr Bill Parker
>>ren...@westnet.com.au
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> - Done.
>> 
>> 
>> From: Bill Parker <ren...@westnet.com.au>
>> Date: 23 December 2015 at 15:11:23 AWST
>> To: wamug.org.au-wamug-requ...@lists.wamug.org.au
>> Subject: Wonky iPhone
>> 
>> 
>> Dear Wamuggers,
>> 
>> My “ancient” iPhone 4 seems to be out of control.  The system is  V 7.1.2 
>> and there is 263MB of space.
>> 
>> The battery is now dying after 6 hours and less with limited use.
>> 
>> However, there are some emails that cannot be deleted ( except by switching 
>> the phone OFF then ON)
>> 
>> The Email inbox is now showing 20,621 messages  but actually empty.
>> 
>> The Email sent box has shown 116 messages but actually empty and doesn’t 
>> change even if I do send messages.
>> 
>> Last night it made spontaneous call ( at 10.00 pm) to a number in my 
>> contacts list based in Melbourne.
>> 
>> The main screen also went blank and only was restorable by pressing the 
>> on/off switch at the top, not the button at the bottom.
>> 
>> Its only used for phone and txt messages with the occasional picture taken 
>> and not much else.  Its on 24/7.
>> 
>> Time to dump?
>> 
>> Bill
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Dr Bill Parker
>> ren...@westnet.com.au
> 
> Dr Bill Parker
> ren...@westnet.com.au
> 
> 
> 
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Re: The results of your email commands

[Bill Parker]

Thansk Susan,


Tried that but the only things that has changed was the message count from 
20,621 to 20,622 although two messages were received.

Bill
> On 23 Dec 2015, at 15:39, Susan Hastings <shasti...@iinet.net.au> wrote:
> 
> Hi Bill, have you tried resetting the phone by pressing down the on off key 
> and the home key together. You have to hold them down until it begins to 
> restart.
> 
> Have you tried linking it to your computer and doing a restore as a new 
> phone, then Using your backup to restore things.
> 
> Cheers, Susan.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On 23 Dec 2015, at 8:15 AM, Bill Parker <ren...@westnet.com.au 
> <mailto:ren...@westnet.com.au>> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>> 
>>> From: wamug.org.au-wamug-ow...@lists.wamug.org.au 
>>> <mailto:wamug.org.au-wamug-ow...@lists.wamug.org.au>
>>> Date: 23 December 2015 at 15:11:26 AWST
>>> To: ren...@westnet.com.au <mailto:ren...@westnet.com.au>
>>> Subject: The results of your email commands
>>> 
>>> The results of your email command are provided below. Attached is your
>>> original message.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> - Unprocessed:
>>>My “ancient” iPhone 4 seems to be out of control.  The system is  V 
>>> 7.1.2 and there is 263MB of space.
>>>The battery is now dying after 6 hours and less with limited use.
>>>However, there are some emails that cannot be deleted ( except by 
>>> switching the phone OFF then ON)
>>>The Email inbox is now showing 20,621 messages  but actually empty.
>>>The Email sent box has shown 116 messages but actually empty and doesn’t 
>>> change even if I do send messages.
>>>Last night it made spontaneous call ( at 10.00 pm) to a number in my 
>>> contacts list based in Melbourne.
>>>The main screen also went blank and only was restorable by pressing the 
>>> on/off switch at the top, not the button at the bottom.
>>>Its only used for phone and txt messages with the occasional picture 
>>> taken and not much else.  Its on 24/7.
>>>Time to dump?
>>>Bill
>>> 
>>> - Ignored:
>>>Dr Bill Parker
>>>ren...@westnet.com.au <mailto:ren...@westnet.com.au>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> - Done.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: Bill Parker <ren...@westnet.com.au <mailto:ren...@westnet.com.au>>
>>> Date: 23 December 2015 at 15:11:23 AWST
>>> To: wamug.org.au-wamug-requ...@lists.wamug.org.au 
>>> <mailto:wamug.org.au-wamug-requ...@lists.wamug.org.au>
>>> Subject: Wonky iPhone
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Dear Wamuggers,
>>> 
>>> My “ancient” iPhone 4 seems to be out of control.  The system is  V 7.1.2 
>>> and there is 263MB of space.
>>> 
>>> The battery is now dying after 6 hours and less with limited use.
>>> 
>>> However, there are some emails that cannot be deleted ( except by switching 
>>> the phone OFF then ON)
>>> 
>>> The Email inbox is now showing 20,621 messages  but actually empty.
>>> 
>>> The Email sent box has shown 116 messages but actually empty and doesn’t 
>>> change even if I do send messages.
>>> 
>>> Last night it made spontaneous call ( at 10.00 pm) to a number in my 
>>> contacts list based in Melbourne.
>>> 
>>> The main screen also went blank and only was restorable by pressing the 
>>> on/off switch at the top, not the button at the bottom.
>>> 
>>> Its only used for phone and txt messages with the occasional picture taken 
>>> and not much else.  Its on 24/7.
>>> 
>>> Time to dump?
>>> 
>>> Bill
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Dr Bill Parker
>>> ren...@westnet.com.au <mailto:ren...@westnet.com.au>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> Dr Bill Parker
>> ren...@westnet.com.au <mailto:ren...@westnet.com.au>
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: Rules in email

[Tim Law]

Hi Jen

Ummm No, or yes. it depends on whether you have POP or IMAP and what rule you 
have applied. 

Don't fret if you don't know, I suspect it's been set as IMAP if you see the 
emails in two computers

Rules are set on the computer. 

Mail is stored on the server, until it is moved, deleted. 


So, this the depends bit. If you create a rule on your computer that moves the 
email into a folder 'on my Mac' then the email will be removed from the server 
and your husband won't be able to see it on his computer 

Hope this helps
Tim
Sent from Tim's iPhone

> On 8 Dec 2015, at 6:33 PM, Jennifer Lefroy <lefroy.jenni...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> My husband and I share an email address but have our own computers.  If I 
> make a rule in the preferences on his computer will it also block them on 
> mine. (I find myself able to convince myself of both possibilities!)  Sorry 
> to be so dim.
> 
> Christmas greetings to al Wamuggers and best wishes for 2016,
> Jennifer 
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Rules in email

[Jennifer Lefroy]

My husband and I share an email address but have our own computers.  If I
make a rule in the preferences on his computer will it also block them on
mine. (I find myself able to convince myself of both possibilities!)  Sorry
to be so dim.

Christmas greetings to al Wamuggers and best wishes for 2016,
Jennifer
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Fax document attached to email

[Matt Falvey]

Hi, I have ordered a copy of a marriage cert from Wiltshire, it was due to 
arrive as a digital copy. It has arrived as a fax in a .zip format.

Every time I try to open it, no matter what type of expander, it opens into a 
.js file.

When I click on the file it opens in Safari with a page of typed rubbish, 
featuring the words, return & function multiple times on the page.

Any one have any idea of how I can open this file?

Thanks

Matt.
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Re: Fax document attached to email

[Ronda Brown]

Hi Matt,

.js is a JavaScript file.
In Safari > Preferences > Security - Web Content - Enable JavaScript.
If that doesn't display the file correctly.
Have you tried open the .js file in TextEdit?
In Finder, select the .js file, like "menu.js", then choose "File" > "Get 
Info". 
In the Info window, click the disclosure triangle next to "Open With", and 
select the TextEdit application to open the document from the "Open With" 
pop-up menu. 

Cheers,
Ronni
Sent from Ronni's iPad4


> On 20 Nov 2015, at 11:02 PM, Matt Falvey  wrote:
> 
> Hi, I have ordered a copy of a marriage cert from Wiltshire, it was due to 
> arrive as a digital copy. It has arrived as a fax in a .zip format.
> 
> Every time I try to open it, no matter what type of expander, it opens into a 
> .js file.
> 
> When I click on the file it opens in Safari with a page of typed rubbish, 
> featuring the words, return & function multiple times on the page.
> 
> Any one have any idea of how I can open this file?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Matt.
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Fax document attached to email

[Matt Falvey]

Hi Tim, Hadn't thought about that. I have just emailed them and asked them to 
send it again via PDF and also to confirm if they had sent the zip file in the 
first place. Will see what happens when they get back to me next week.

Thanks.

Matt.

Message: 2
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2015 11:35:49 +0800
From: Tim Law <t...@peoplehelp.com.au>
To: wamug@wamug.org.au
Subject: Re: Fax document attached to email
Message-ID: <d5282f30-04ee-47db-929a-1faa89bd4...@peoplehelp.com.au>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Matt I am assuming this file is from a legitimate sender, as you say it's a 
document you are expecting.  

I'm aware Sending as a zip is often used by spammers to load malicious software 

One option is to ask them to resend as PDF files, which should be easy enough 
for a reputable organization. 

Sent from Tim's iPhone

> On 21 Nov 2015, at 11:25 AM, Matt Falvey <mmfal...@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi Ronni, I tried both of those options. 1. JavaScript was already enabled in 
> Safari. 2. When I opened the file in Text Edit it was much the same as in 
> Safari, mainly function, return, and various types of brackets.
> 
> Any other ideas?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Matt.
> 
> 
> Hi Matt,
> 
> .js is a JavaScript file.
> In Safari > Preferences > Security - Web Content - Enable JavaScript.
> If that doesn't display the file correctly.
> Have you tried open the .js file in TextEdit?
> In Finder, select the .js file, like "menu.js", then choose "File" > "Get 
> Info". 
> In the Info window, click the disclosure triangle next to "Open With", and 
> select the TextEdit application to open the document from the "Open With" 
> pop-up menu. 
> 
> Cheers,
> Ronni
> Sent from Ronni's iPad4
> 
> 
>> On 20 Nov 2015, at 11:02 PM, Matt Falvey <mmfal...@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, I have ordered a copy of a marriage cert from Wiltshire, it was due to 
>> arrive as a digital copy. It has arrived as a fax in a .zip format.
>> 
>> Every time I try to open it, no matter what type of expander, it opens into 
>> a .js file.
>> 
>> When I click on the file it opens in Safari with a page of typed rubbish, 
>> featuring the words, return & function multiple times on the page.
>> 
>> Any one have any idea of how I can open this file?
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>> Matt.
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Re: Fax document attached to email

[Tim Law]

Matt I am assuming this file is from a legitimate sender, as you say it's a 
document you are expecting.  

I'm aware Sending as a zip is often used by spammers to load malicious software 

One option is to ask them to resend as PDF files, which should be easy enough 
for a reputable organization. 

Sent from Tim's iPhone

> On 21 Nov 2015, at 11:25 AM, Matt Falvey  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi Ronni, I tried both of those options. 1. JavaScript was already enabled in 
> Safari. 2. When I opened the file in Text Edit it was much the same as in 
> Safari, mainly function, return, and various types of brackets.
> 
> Any other ideas?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Matt.
> 
> 
> Hi Matt,
> 
> .js is a JavaScript file.
> In Safari > Preferences > Security - Web Content - Enable JavaScript.
> If that doesn't display the file correctly.
> Have you tried open the .js file in TextEdit?
> In Finder, select the .js file, like "menu.js", then choose "File" > "Get 
> Info". 
> In the Info window, click the disclosure triangle next to "Open With", and 
> select the TextEdit application to open the document from the "Open With" 
> pop-up menu. 
> 
> Cheers,
> Ronni
> Sent from Ronni's iPad4
> 
> 
>> On 20 Nov 2015, at 11:02 PM, Matt Falvey  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, I have ordered a copy of a marriage cert from Wiltshire, it was due to 
>> arrive as a digital copy. It has arrived as a fax in a .zip format.
>> 
>> Every time I try to open it, no matter what type of expander, it opens into 
>> a .js file.
>> 
>> When I click on the file it opens in Safari with a page of typed rubbish, 
>> featuring the words, return & function multiple times on the page.
>> 
>> Any one have any idea of how I can open this file?
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>> Matt.
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