Re: [WISPA] Tower standoff or not question
Perhaps a larger problem is having the copper cable run down the leg. I had a tower with a 10' standoff and the ethernet ports were routinely fried - with lightning protection. I put a switch on to take the hits until getting fiber run up the leg whcih cured the issue. At the same time, I moved the equipment off the stand off and onto the leg but never had an issue. -RickG On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 11:34 PM, Tom DeReggiwirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: My understanding was that an electrical field of about 10 wide from the tower leg, was likely to flow down it, if ever hit. One purpose of offsetting the antenna greater than 1ft out was to solve that. As well as purposes to increase seperation between antennas at same horizontal plain, as well as avoid tower leg if an Omni. Although, we have mounted almost all our antennas to the tower legs just fine, with no problems. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 11:10 PM Subject: [WISPA] Tower standoff or not question New commercial tower we will be setting up gear on, about 325ft up on a 400ft tower. From a lightning perspective does it matter whether you install on the tower legs themselves or on say 2-3ft standoffs? We were asked to reduce weight and just install on the legs (the gear can attach no problem). I'd just like to know if there are any unforeseen electrical consequences. Thanks. Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] WTB: MikroTik RB/411 with blown ethernet ports
But, can it be repaired cost effectively? I have blown RouterBoard 532's, 230's, 112's, 133's as well as soekris and pc engines SBC's, and lucent/orinoco gear. How about the diversity switch on the UBNT sr2 and sr5 cards? Butch Evans wrote: On Fri, 2009-07-31 at 22:24 -0400, Scott Carullo wrote: Man I thrown a bunch of these out. Have to dig through my trash now lol I posted a message SEVERAL days ago about these repairs. We can repair ANY routerboard, UBNT devices (Nanostations, bullets, power stations, etc.), Canopy... I'm curious if I were to use say an RB433 would it be any more resilient to close lightning strikes? Not really. The problem is due to poor grounding (the board design, not necessarily your work). Either way, nearly ANY board can be repaired. It doesn't matter if it powers up or not. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Small auto start generator
Yes, it's possible to get a generator installed on a roof, but it will be an expensive project in our area due to the code compliance issues. However, most commercial buildings will have a preexisting emergency power system for critical loads installed already. There are strict requirements such as sub 10 second startup times, routine testing, and fuel availability requirements. If you talk to the building engineer, you might be able to convince them to allow you a small amount of power from an emergency circuit. The buildings I am in do this for most of their tenants for phone systems, etc. Failing that, have an electrician run conduit to the parking lot and place a power inlet down there. Be sure to have 24 hours of battery capacity, and use a trailer-mounted generator in the parking lot for the rare outage that lasts longer than the batteries. Patrick Shoemaker Vector Data Systems LLC shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com office: (301) 358-1690 x36 http://www.vectordatasystems.com Tom DeReggi wrote: While on the topic of generators. Anyone have advice on how to accommodate generators in Commercial Multi-tenant buildings. Several things come to mind... Gas generators are definately not allowed on roofs, for fire safety reasons. Adequate ventilation is likely needed for either gas or Propain generators. What type propain generators would likely gain permission to get installed in a rooftop penthouse? or Roof? If a propain generator was used on a top floor, how would Propain get re-fueled easilly? Is is standard proceedure to have removable tanks, and just have new tanks swapped (like a gas grill).? Or is is customary to have tanks on the ground level? Or is it always standard to put the generator at ground level, and run AC wire up to the roof level? Do propain gas trucks have long enough hoses to reach rooms inside parking garages? Not likely will fit driving into parking garage? Do property owners worry about propain blowing up, and have limits to where the tanks can be placed? I'm sure some of this is in local building code. And I can probably best guess some of the answers for above. But what re other people doing, to both install and maintain at the lowest dollar cost.? I saw those Generac propain models before, and they are very affordable. Just wondering if feasible to install them on roofs/penthouses. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 3:08 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small auto start generator Thank you, That is very good advice. After some research, I'm leaning toward a UPS. A pair of good AGM batteries and charge controller will cost less and be far less maintainence. Then I'd just run the CMM off the batteries @ 24VDC. Thanks again Jerry -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gary Garrett Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 11:59 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small auto start generator Small generators do not auto start very reliably. When cold or dampness causes hard starting the starter can overheat and burn out. Generally you need an electric choke to start gas engines, propane can flood and need to rest before trying again, diesel can be REAL hard to start when cold. Auto starters can not adapt to changing conditions. Our best generator is a Propane Ford inline 6 cyl. 25 KW 3 phase. (1955 Model) The monitor cranks for 1 min then rests and tries 3 times. Everything is adjustable. It knows to stop cranking when it sees AC voltage from the Gen. so the motor over runs the starter for just a few seconds. Only a huge starter motor can take this abuse and last unattended. You may be money ahead to find out why the existing generator is not starting and get it fixed. Jerry Richardson wrote: We rent on a tower that is suspposed to have gen-set backup but it does not start reliably. Any recommendations on a small auto-start generator? We only need to power a CMMmicro - ~100watts. Thanks __ Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:
Re: [WISPA] Tower standoff or not question
A good reason to mount your antennas on standoffs is so guys like me don't have to climb around them. :-) -B- Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 23:34:13 To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower standoff or not question My understanding was that an electrical field of about 10 wide from the tower leg, was likely to flow down it, if ever hit. One purpose of offsetting the antenna greater than 1ft out was to solve that. As well as purposes to increase seperation between antennas at same horizontal plain, as well as avoid tower leg if an Omni. Although, we have mounted almost all our antennas to the tower legs just fine, with no problems. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 11:10 PM Subject: [WISPA] Tower standoff or not question New commercial tower we will be setting up gear on, about 325ft up on a 400ft tower. From a lightning perspective does it matter whether you install on the tower legs themselves or on say 2-3ft standoffs? We were asked to reduce weight and just install on the legs (the gear can attach no problem). I'd just like to know if there are any unforeseen electrical consequences. Thanks. Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Redline AN80i latest firmware
If you have the latest please send offlist with documentation if you have it. Thanks, -Eric WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Small auto start generator
They'll charge a car. Those have some load on them when just sitting I'd say that those questions would be best asked of the manufacturer you plan to use. marlon - Original Message - From: Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 5:05 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small auto start generator Can you use a battery charger to essentially run your load from? Also will that load cause a smart charger to act not so smart because of the load on it? Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x102 On Aug 2, 2009, at 4:30 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: How long do you need to power it for? I'd suggest that this may be a great case for a couple of big batteries and an inverter. Just run the system off of the inverter all of the time, install a smart battery charger to keep the batteries properly charged. Cheaper than a generator, NO switch time. Ever. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com To: Motorola Canopy User Group motor...@wispa.org; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 11:34 AM Subject: [WISPA] Small auto start generator We rent on a tower that is suspposed to have gen-set backup but it does not start reliably. Any recommendations on a small auto-start generator? We only need to power a CMMmicro - ~100watts. Thanks __ Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Small auto start generator
The tripplite APS is what we use for this. Small generators are a pain. On Sun, Aug 02, 2009 at 02:57:23PM -0430, os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: You might want something like an inverter (Xantrex for example) which includes a DC to AC inverter, battery charger, and automatic transfer switch. Add the batteries and you're done. Greg On Aug 2, 2009, at 2:38 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote: Thank you, That is very good advice. After some research, I'm leaning toward a UPS. A pair of good AGM batteries and charge controller will cost less and be far less maintainence. Then I'd just run the CMM off the batteries @ 24VDC. Thanks again Jerry -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gary Garrett Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 11:59 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small auto start generator Small generators do not auto start very reliably. When cold or dampness causes hard starting the starter can overheat and burn out. Generally you need an electric choke to start gas engines, propane can flood and need to rest before trying again, diesel can be REAL hard to start when cold. Auto starters can not adapt to changing conditions. Our best generator is a Propane Ford inline 6 cyl. 25 KW 3 phase. (1955 Model) The monitor cranks for 1 min then rests and tries 3 times. Everything is adjustable. It knows to stop cranking when it sees AC voltage from the Gen. so the motor over runs the starter for just a few seconds. Only a huge starter motor can take this abuse and last unattended. You may be money ahead to find out why the existing generator is not starting and get it fixed. Jerry Richardson wrote: We rent on a tower that is suspposed to have gen-set backup but it does not start reliably. Any recommendations on a small auto-start generator? We only need to power a CMMmicro - ~100watts. Thanks __ Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] WTB: MikroTik RB/411 with blown ethernet ports
Another issue: when cards are blown, does it weaken the other componets thereby creating a possible issue shortly after it is put back into service? -RickG On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 4:25 AM, Blair Davisthe...@wmwisp.net wrote: But, can it be repaired cost effectively? I have blown RouterBoard 532's, 230's, 112's, 133's as well as soekris and pc engines SBC's, and lucent/orinoco gear. How about the diversity switch on the UBNT sr2 and sr5 cards? Butch Evans wrote: On Fri, 2009-07-31 at 22:24 -0400, Scott Carullo wrote: Man I thrown a bunch of these out. Have to dig through my trash now lol I posted a message SEVERAL days ago about these repairs. We can repair ANY routerboard, UBNT devices (Nanostations, bullets, power stations, etc.), Canopy... I'm curious if I were to use say an RB433 would it be any more resilient to close lightning strikes? Not really. The problem is due to poor grounding (the board design, not necessarily your work). Either way, nearly ANY board can be repaired. It doesn't matter if it powers up or not. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] WTB: MikroTik RB/411 with blown ethernet ports
I would stop using something if I had that many failures a month, even for that many subscribers. You'll have replaced your whole subscriber base in three years at that rate, even if the customer didn't need the upgrade. Or half of them in 18 months. The 433 is is probably less expensive than a service call + rb411. I've not bought a single 411 because I've heard of this problem. I do buy lots of 433ah's though. I've got some radios out in the field that close to 10 years old now. I do expect 5-6 years out of a radio on average, even if I pay for it in 1-3. Our guys can only handle so many service calls and miles of travel a day. We use mostly Trango and Alvarion radios, and 100ish MT routers. We dispose of a couple of each type of radio, and maybe 1 RB a month for about twice as many subs. On Sat, Aug 01, 2009 at 10:26:28AM -0400, Chuck Hogg wrote: The chip on the 411 is different than the one on the 433, the 433 has a switch chip built in. We could probably repair the 433/450 as well, but the chip to repair/replace is significantly more expensive. I have not seen as many issues with the 433's blowing, but we seem to blow about 10-20 411's a month out of 700 or so subs using them. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Carullo Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 10:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] WTB: MikroTik RB/411 with blown ethernet ports Man I thrown a bunch of these out. Have to dig through my trash now lol I assume its the same deal with eth ports on RB450G and others? Question - Its funny your subject listed the RB411. I have had LOTS of RB411 eth ports blown. Obviously I'm not the only one or this thread would not have started. Do you all see the same problems on other routerboards or just the RB411? I'm curious if I were to use say an RB433 would it be any more resilient to close lightning strikes? I'd gladly start using them or whatever else might work. I do have lots of 532's and 133's and they do not seem to have this problem, but I have more RB411's so it could be just statistics... Opinions? Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 5:07 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] WTB: MikroTik RB/411 with blown ethernet ports If you have any RB/411's that boot up, but have blown Ethernet ports, I will buy them from you. $5/board if you don't want it back $20/board if you would like it repaired and sent back to you. Some boards that we have been receiving cannot be repaired due to a direct lightning strike. They must be bootable, but without link. Please contact me off-list for further details. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Mounting a dish on a Rohn 9N
I need to mount a 2' dish close to the top of a Rohn 9N tower. The tower steel is not very large in diameter that high, and I already have another dish mounted on the pipe coming out the top of the taper. So, I need to mount it to the side. The mounts for the dish and radome will accommodate 1 1/2 at the smallest. What are you guys using as a pipe mount in such a situation? Is there something I could use I could buy locally? Thanks, Mike WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] WTB: MikroTik RB/411 with blown ethernet ports
While I don't disagree, we are in the process of switching CPE's to Moto SM's. I've too got MT boards out there since I installed them over 3 years ago, and I have 411 boards that are in service since they first came out. The problem is that they are much more sensitive to lightning/ESD. Really, in the summer/spring months with more electricity is when it's 10-20 a month. I over-exaggerated it over the course of a year. June we had 5 and July we had 23. Only good news is that I can repair them relatively cheaply, but the service call/aggravation is lost $$. I just can't afford 700 SM's and 3 months of downtime getting them installed with my small crew. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of jp Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 1:58 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] WTB: MikroTik RB/411 with blown ethernet ports I would stop using something if I had that many failures a month, even for that many subscribers. You'll have replaced your whole subscriber base in three years at that rate, even if the customer didn't need the upgrade. Or half of them in 18 months. The 433 is is probably less expensive than a service call + rb411. I've not bought a single 411 because I've heard of this problem. I do buy lots of 433ah's though. I've got some radios out in the field that close to 10 years old now. I do expect 5-6 years out of a radio on average, even if I pay for it in 1-3. Our guys can only handle so many service calls and miles of travel a day. We use mostly Trango and Alvarion radios, and 100ish MT routers. We dispose of a couple of each type of radio, and maybe 1 RB a month for about twice as many subs. On Sat, Aug 01, 2009 at 10:26:28AM -0400, Chuck Hogg wrote: The chip on the 411 is different than the one on the 433, the 433 has a switch chip built in. We could probably repair the 433/450 as well, but the chip to repair/replace is significantly more expensive. I have not seen as many issues with the 433's blowing, but we seem to blow about 10-20 411's a month out of 700 or so subs using them. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Carullo Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 10:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] WTB: MikroTik RB/411 with blown ethernet ports Man I thrown a bunch of these out. Have to dig through my trash now lol I assume its the same deal with eth ports on RB450G and others? Question - Its funny your subject listed the RB411. I have had LOTS of RB411 eth ports blown. Obviously I'm not the only one or this thread would not have started. Do you all see the same problems on other routerboards or just the RB411? I'm curious if I were to use say an RB433 would it be any more resilient to close lightning strikes? I'd gladly start using them or whatever else might work. I do have lots of 532's and 133's and they do not seem to have this problem, but I have more RB411's so it could be just statistics... Opinions? Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 5:07 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] WTB: MikroTik RB/411 with blown ethernet ports If you have any RB/411's that boot up, but have blown Ethernet ports, I will buy them from you. $5/board if you don't want it back $20/board if you would like it repaired and sent back to you. Some boards that we have been receiving cannot be repaired due to a direct lightning strike. They must be bootable, but without link. Please contact me off-list for further details. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mounting a dish on a Rohn 9N
Pipe to pipe mount This will allow you to mount to the leg and add a larger pipe to mount the dish. www.sitepro1.com Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Mike m...@aweiowa.com Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 13:06:26 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Mounting a dish on a Rohn 9N I need to mount a 2' dish close to the top of a Rohn 9N tower. The tower steel is not very large in diameter that high, and I already have another dish mounted on the pipe coming out the top of the taper. So, I need to mount it to the side. The mounts for the dish and radome will accommodate 1 1/2 at the smallest. What are you guys using as a pipe mount in such a situation? Is there something I could use I could buy locally? Thanks, Mike WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Are customers increasingly clueless? Oris itgettingbetter?
I have a connection to another WISP. Cost? $0. When my main upstream goes down, MT automatically routes everything through the backup. In exchange, I provide labor to the other WISP when he encounters things he personally doesn't want to do. I think it's a great relationship. It'd cost each of us more to get our half of the equation elsewhere. Everything is completely diverse. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 8:38 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Are customers increasingly clueless? Oris itgettingbetter? Don't be afraid to get creative with your backup connection. Mine is a $60 a month 6 meg down and 768k up DSL line. Sure we average 12 meg on the bandwidth graph, but it's better than being off. When I have to use the backup I limit all connections to 56k up and 100k down. Brian Tom DeReggi wrote: Actually, I disagree with your example. You let your customer down, not Qwest. Did you route them out your secondary transit? If you didn;t have one, thats not the customer's faught. Did you let him know that you are trying to contact Quest yourself to get more information on an ETA, and influence a work around? Did he feel you were in control of the situation? Or did you leave him to fend for himself, even though you were the expert on the technology? Sending the message, oh well, its down, not my problem, let all my own customers suffer, so what is not taking care of your clients. If you had communicated with your client making him feel like you were working towards defending his interests, he never would have took action into his own hands and called Qwest directly to investigate further, and get false answers. So yes, Customers can be irrational, often unfair and unforgiving, but if you want to keep your clients its up to you to deal with it and take care of them. Who's faught it is, is irrelevent. Customer Service is about taking care of the customer. I just lost a customer 2 weeks ago. Power went out AGAIN! It keeps blowing breakers on electrical panels not under my controll or access. I can put UPSes there all day, but that does no good if breakers turn off upstream of my electrical Demarc. But DSL, CABLE, and Cellular EVDO didn't go out every time the property had power failures. It was my faught that I designed a business install to be behind an electric breaker that was outside my control to manage. If I did my job and took care of the client, I would have called the power company or property management and redesign an alternate solution, after the first couple of times the power went out. But I didn't. Yes, I lost the client, and yes, it was my fault. Blaiming it on the Power Company didn't work for long. Just keeping it real. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Ryan Ghering rgher...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 10:22 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Are customers increasingly clueless? Or is itgettingbetter? Yesterday, we had a long term upstream outage. Someone in Qwest killed our ATM upstream and somehow we were getting crosstalk to another ATM PVC. (Don't ask nobody can tell me how this was done). In the mean time customers are calling us screaming that they need their net. Our staff politely informs them all day long that this isn't a issue with us, its upstream. Some customers accept that and move on for the day. However the kicker!! One of our customers which is a dedicated 3 meg calls up and asks, Are you down I say yes at this time the internet is down due to a problem with qwest in Denver. The customer says ok, do you have an ETA? I tell him no not at this time the problem is with qwest not with us. Customer says ok thanks and hangs up. Not 20 minutes later I get a phone call from the customer, he's mad as hell and spitting nails. I only caught about 1/2 of what he had said. But it sounded like. Your a damn lier, I call qwest, they have NO issues anywhere. I want my ** Net or you can kiss my account goodbye a**hole.. Then he hangs up. ( mind you this is a business customer ) I call him back about an hour later and he says he's canceled. And will get service from somewhere else. How can this be? How was this my fault? Customers are irrational and stupid.. Agreed. lol Ryan On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 1:58 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: roflol Rick this is a GOOD thing Your customers call you for all problems because YOU WILL ANSWER THE PHONE!! Sometimes great service levels suck. lol marlon - Original Message - From: Rick Kunze rku...@colusanet.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 5:40 PM Subject: [WISPA] Are customers increasingly clueless? Or is it gettingbetter? Customer calls just now.
Re: [WISPA] Small auto start generator
Patrick, In general, sounds like good advice. To clarify our intent, in posting. From yr 2000-2008, our model was to 1) Have minimum 12 hour run-time of battery for core cell sites. 2) Have contingency plan for hooking up a mobile gasoline powered generator, in longer lasting Emergencies. (We have a couple hot spare generators) Why are we changing our view point? 1) Many of the batteries have now died, and need replaced. Batteries are still very expensive. Propaine Generators have come way down in price (aka Generac) In most case, the generator will be less expensive than the batteries, based on watt load at the sites. 2) Our network has grown, but our staff size has shrunk. We realize the challenge that more than one site can loose power at once, and harder to get to multiple locations at once with generators. Its hard to know when batteries will hold or not, when towards the end of their life, so its always a rush with the genrators. 9/10 cases by the time we get generators onsite, the power gets restored within minutes. 3) Its easy to throw a generator on a Grant Application :-) We believe permanent onsite generators would likely increase uptime, and not necessarilly be more expensive, for some of our sites. (We'd of course still keep some patteries inline) The question is whether it will be more hassle than we realize to re-fill them and inspect them. Some people told me quarterly inspections are needed, or sometimes they do not start when needed. We are already connected to building generators, where we were allowed to, so we are looking at sites where our only option was to put in our own. I'm still uncertain what objections or preferences property management would have for this type stuff. For example, whether they would be concerned about it blowing up if a gas leak occured. I actually have one building in mind wher egetting a new electrical connector from the roof to the ground would be really a big pain. Would require Xray and drilling every floor of 20. There I'd like to put a roof mounted propaine generator. I was thinking maybe the best option is to just have a small external tank, and swap the tank after use? I would think where there is pre-existing riser space, I'd want to mount on ground level, and run thick gauge AC wire up. Mostly I was wondering if management companies look for specific features for the device, or if Generac would offer all standard features to meet the requirements of code and property managers. For our smaller watt sites, we'd of course stick with batteries. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Patrick Shoemaker shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 9:07 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small auto start generator Yes, it's possible to get a generator installed on a roof, but it will be an expensive project in our area due to the code compliance issues. However, most commercial buildings will have a preexisting emergency power system for critical loads installed already. There are strict requirements such as sub 10 second startup times, routine testing, and fuel availability requirements. If you talk to the building engineer, you might be able to convince them to allow you a small amount of power from an emergency circuit. The buildings I am in do this for most of their tenants for phone systems, etc. Failing that, have an electrician run conduit to the parking lot and place a power inlet down there. Be sure to have 24 hours of battery capacity, and use a trailer-mounted generator in the parking lot for the rare outage that lasts longer than the batteries. Patrick Shoemaker Vector Data Systems LLC shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com office: (301) 358-1690 x36 http://www.vectordatasystems.com Tom DeReggi wrote: While on the topic of generators. Anyone have advice on how to accommodate generators in Commercial Multi-tenant buildings. Several things come to mind... Gas generators are definately not allowed on roofs, for fire safety reasons. Adequate ventilation is likely needed for either gas or Propain generators. What type propain generators would likely gain permission to get installed in a rooftop penthouse? or Roof? If a propain generator was used on a top floor, how would Propain get re-fueled easilly? Is is standard proceedure to have removable tanks, and just have new tanks swapped (like a gas grill).? Or is is customary to have tanks on the ground level? Or is it always standard to put the generator at ground level, and run AC wire up to the roof level? Do propain gas trucks have long enough hoses to reach rooms inside parking garages? Not likely will fit driving into parking garage? Do property owners worry about propain blowing up, and have limits to where the tanks can be placed? I'm sure some of this is in
Re: [WISPA] Small auto start generator
The right type of batteries could give you 15 to 20 years of service. And adding a pair of solar panels and an MPPT solar charge controller could increase your backup battery run time from a couple of days to a couple of weeks. And no volatile fuel issues to deal with either. And their PMI interval is a godsend too. And cheaper than a genny. Add another panel or two and you might even be able to drop your grid connection. Remember to eliminate as many power conversions as possible from your telecom power design. -Christopher Erickson Network Design Engineer 5432 E. Northern Lights Blvd., Suite 529 Anchorage, AK 99508 N61?11.710' W149?46.723' -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 10:49 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small auto start generator Patrick, In general, sounds like good advice. To clarify our intent, in posting. From yr 2000-2008, our model was to 1) Have minimum 12 hour run-time of battery for core cell sites. 2) Have contingency plan for hooking up a mobile gasoline powered generator, in longer lasting Emergencies. (We have a couple hot spare generators) Why are we changing our view point? 1) Many of the batteries have now died, and need replaced. Batteries are still very expensive. Propaine Generators have come way down in price (aka Generac) In most case, the generator will be less expensive than the batteries, based on watt load at the sites. 2) Our network has grown, but our staff size has shrunk. We realize the challenge that more than one site can loose power at once, and harder to get to multiple locations at once with generators. Its hard to know when batteries will hold or not, when towards the end of their life, so its always a rush with the genrators. 9/10 cases by the time we get generators onsite, the power gets restored within minutes. 3) Its easy to throw a generator on a Grant Application :-) We believe permanent onsite generators would likely increase uptime, and not necessarilly be more expensive, for some of our sites. (We'd of course still keep some patteries inline) The question is whether it will be more hassle than we realize to re-fill them and inspect them. Some people told me quarterly inspections are needed, or sometimes they do not start when needed. We are already connected to building generators, where we were allowed to, so we are looking at sites where our only option was to put in our own. I'm still uncertain what objections or preferences property management would have for this type stuff. For example, whether they would be concerned about it blowing up if a gas leak occured. I actually have one building in mind wher egetting a new electrical connector from the roof to the ground would be really a big pain. Would require Xray and drilling every floor of 20. There I'd like to put a roof mounted propaine generator. I was thinking maybe the best option is to just have a small external tank, and swap the tank after use? I would think where there is pre-existing riser space, I'd want to mount on ground level, and run thick gauge AC wire up. Mostly I was wondering if management companies look for specific features for the device, or if Generac would offer all standard features to meet the requirements of code and property managers. For our smaller watt sites, we'd of course stick with batteries. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Patrick Shoemaker shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 9:07 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small auto start generator Yes, it's possible to get a generator installed on a roof, but it will be an expensive project in our area due to the code compliance issues. However, most commercial buildings will have a preexisting emergency power system for critical loads installed already. There are strict requirements such as sub 10 second startup times, routine testing, and fuel availability requirements. If you talk to the building engineer, you might be able to convince them to allow you a small amount of power from an emergency circuit. The buildings I am in do this for most of their tenants for phone systems, etc. Failing that, have an electrician run conduit to the parking lot and place a power inlet down there. Be sure to have 24 hours of battery capacity, and use a trailer-mounted generator in the parking lot for the rare outage that lasts longer than the batteries. Patrick Shoemaker Vector Data Systems LLC shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com office: (301) 358-1690 x36 http://www.vectordatasystems.com Tom DeReggi wrote: While on the topic of generators. Anyone have advice on how to accommodate generators in Commercial
Re: [WISPA] Mounting a dish on a Rohn 9N
When I search there for pipe to pipe, I only get hits for ice bridge hardware. At 01:30 PM 8/3/2009, you wrote: Pipe to pipe mount This will allow you to mount to the leg and add a larger pipe to mount the dish. www.sitepro1.com ... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] mikrotik how to check something other than def gw for link up
I am going to setup a mt 493ah for load balancing, and I see where to setup check for def gw for internet up. How can I set it for checking something other than def gw, something past the def gw? I posted on mt forum, but no response yet..Thanks for any help.. Alan http://www.aerowire.net Alan Long Director of Network Operations Aerowire http://maps.yahoo.com/py/maps.py?Pyt=Tmapaddr=687+North+Dean+Roadcsz=Aubu rn%2C+AL+36830country=us 687 North Dean Road Auburn, AL 36830 mailto:alan.l...@aerowire.net alan.l...@aerowire.net tel: mobile: http://www.plaxo.com/click_to_call?lang=ensrc=jj_signatureTo=3342759998E mail=along5...@yahoo.com 3342759998 http://www.plaxo.com/click_to_call?lang=ensrc=jj_signatureTo=336092E mail=along5...@yahoo.com 336092 https://www.plaxo.com/add_me?u=30065206883src=client_sig_212_1_card_joini nvite=1=en Always have my latest info http://www.plaxo.com/signature?src=client_sig_212_1_card_sig=en Want a signature like this? image001.jpg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] mikrotik how to check something other than def gw for link up
There are scripts on the mikrotik wiki, it will be a script. That will ping a device, and if it goes down, you can have it switch default routes, or disable a interface, you name it. Check the wiki. Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Alan Long alan.l...@aerowire.net Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 5:23 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] mikrotik how to check something other than def gw for link up I am going to setup a mt 493ah for load balancing, and I see where to setup check for def gw for internet up. How can I set it for checking something other than def gw, something past the def gw? I posted on mt forum, but no response yet..Thanks for any help.. Alan Alan Long Director of Network Operations Aerowire rn%2C+AL+36830country=us 687 North Dean Road Auburn, AL 36830 alan.l...@aerowire.net tel: mobile: mail=along5...@yahoo.com 3342759998 mail=along5...@yahoo.com 336092 nvite=1=en Always have my latest info Want a signature like this? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] mikrotik how to check something other than def gw for link up
Make a sys script that pings...4.2.2.2 Now make a route that sets the gateway for the primary interface when the destination is 4.2.2.2 Normally it is best to pick a few hops away in that ISP. On 8/3/09, Alan Long alan.l...@aerowire.net wrote: I am going to setup a mt 493ah for load balancing, and I see where to setup check for def gw for internet up. How can I set it for checking something other than def gw, something past the def gw? I posted on mt forum, but no response yet..Thanks for any help.. Alan http://www.aerowire.net Alan Long Director of Network Operations Aerowire http://maps.yahoo.com/py/maps.py?Pyt=Tmapaddr=687+North+Dean+Roadcsz=Aubu rn%2C+AL+36830country=us 687 North Dean Road Auburn, AL 36830 mailto:alan.l...@aerowire.net alan.l...@aerowire.net tel: mobile: http://www.plaxo.com/click_to_call?lang=ensrc=jj_signatureTo=3342759998E mail=along5...@yahoo.com 3342759998 http://www.plaxo.com/click_to_call?lang=ensrc=jj_signatureTo=336092E mail=along5...@yahoo.com 336092 https://www.plaxo.com/add_me?u=30065206883src=client_sig_212_1_card_joini nvite=1=en Always have my latest info http://www.plaxo.com/signature?src=client_sig_212_1_card_sig=en Want a signature like this? -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] WTB: MikroTik RB/411 with blown ethernet ports
On Mon, 2009-08-03 at 04:25 -0400, Blair Davis wrote: But, can it be repaired cost effectively? All repairs are $30 for qty over 20. We charge $35 per board for under 20 per order. For a 411, that is probably NOT cost effective. For most other boards, it is. There is very little that we cannot replace on these SBC. I am in the process of gathering the required chips, but I have the ethernet chips for nearly all the routerboards and I have the power controllers and supporting electronics as well. With a few exceptions, I either have in stock, or on the way, everything that is needed to repair about 90%+ of any problem they would have. How about the diversity switch on the UBNT sr2 and sr5 cards? I have not checked on the cost for that part. I would imagine that we would be able to replace this part, but I have not tried working on these cards, yet. The problem with the radio cards, is the rf shield. Getting it off is not a problem, but getting it back into place without changing the rf properties is a bit more challenging and I do not have the proper equipment to guarantee that we have not changed the properties of the card (and therefore the FCC certification). -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://www.wispa.org/ * WISPA Board Member * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] WTB: MikroTik RB/411 with blown ethernet ports
On Mon, 2009-08-03 at 12:17 -0400, RickG wrote: Another issue: when cards are blown, does it weaken the other componets thereby creating a possible issue shortly after it is put back into service? While this is certainly possible, it is very unlikely. It would be more likely that the discrete components would be weakened than the ICs, but even that is an unlikely event. We do extensive tests on these prior to shipping them back, so we would be likely to catch this sort of problem. -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://www.wispa.org/ * WISPA Board Member * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Are customers increasingly clueless?Oris itgettingbetter?
What we found was that If ISP1 has 100mb, and ISP2 has a 100mb, and ISP1 goes down and routes backup to ISP2, ISP2's customers now get performance degregation and network congestions, at the expense of ISP1. ISP2 looses customers and gains bad will far more expensive than just the backup bandwidth savings. And then of course there was a cost to connect one WISP to the other, where sometimes the transport is more expensive than the transit (even if wireless). I think there are three other options that help make a bandwdith sharing relationship work with another WISP. 1) Have 3 circuits total, and Share costs on the third backup connection. Each WISPA has their own primary connection, and then either can fail over to the shared backup connection. It being rare that both providers would fail at the same time with full traffic load. 2) ISP2 Upgrades to faster speeds, where there is a cost savings per MB, because there was a higher commit. Now ISP2 has excess capacity. ISP1 helps cover a percentage of the cost of ISP2's increased cost bandwidth. Everyone wins because there is bandwidth to spare, and lower cost per mb is acheived for being better positioned to compete. 3) ISP1 uses provider A, ISP2 uses provider B, both ISPs buy more bandwdith than they need so there is excess capacity, then two WISPs become backup for each other. Again, also increases value of carrier diversity, possibly allowing better pricing for increased volume. My point here is it is awesome when WISPs work togeather for mutual benefit, what ever the deal ends up being. I'm just pointing out excess capacity isn't free, and need to plan for the capacity that is really needed during the failover situation. The thing to realize is that maximum benefit is not always realized in a one to one relationship. A 3 WISP partnership has greater savings than a 2 WISP partnership, etc. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 3:19 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Are customers increasingly clueless?Oris itgettingbetter? I have a connection to another WISP. Cost? $0. When my main upstream goes down, MT automatically routes everything through the backup. In exchange, I provide labor to the other WISP when he encounters things he personally doesn't want to do. I think it's a great relationship. It'd cost each of us more to get our half of the equation elsewhere. Everything is completely diverse. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 8:38 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Are customers increasingly clueless? Oris itgettingbetter? Don't be afraid to get creative with your backup connection. Mine is a $60 a month 6 meg down and 768k up DSL line. Sure we average 12 meg on the bandwidth graph, but it's better than being off. When I have to use the backup I limit all connections to 56k up and 100k down. Brian Tom DeReggi wrote: Actually, I disagree with your example. You let your customer down, not Qwest. Did you route them out your secondary transit? If you didn;t have one, thats not the customer's faught. Did you let him know that you are trying to contact Quest yourself to get more information on an ETA, and influence a work around? Did he feel you were in control of the situation? Or did you leave him to fend for himself, even though you were the expert on the technology? Sending the message, oh well, its down, not my problem, let all my own customers suffer, so what is not taking care of your clients. If you had communicated with your client making him feel like you were working towards defending his interests, he never would have took action into his own hands and called Qwest directly to investigate further, and get false answers. So yes, Customers can be irrational, often unfair and unforgiving, but if you want to keep your clients its up to you to deal with it and take care of them. Who's faught it is, is irrelevent. Customer Service is about taking care of the customer. I just lost a customer 2 weeks ago. Power went out AGAIN! It keeps blowing breakers on electrical panels not under my controll or access. I can put UPSes there all day, but that does no good if breakers turn off upstream of my electrical Demarc. But DSL, CABLE, and Cellular EVDO didn't go out every time the property had power failures. It was my faught that I designed a business install to be behind an electric breaker that was outside my control to manage. If I did my job and took care of the client, I would have called the power company or property management and redesign an alternate solution, after the first couple of times the power went out. But I didn't. Yes, I lost the
Re: [WISPA] Mounting a dish on a Rohn 9N
try nelloinc.com Hutton Tessco Mike wrote: When I search there for pipe to pipe, I only get hits for ice bridge hardware. At 01:30 PM 8/3/2009, you wrote: Pipe to pipe mount This will allow you to mount to the leg and add a larger pipe to mount the dish. www.sitepro1.com ... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.42/2279 - Release Date: 08/03/09 05:57:00 -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mounting a dish on a Rohn 9N
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Re: [WISPA] Small auto start generator
We also use the triplite APS inverters with good quality Gel cell. Actually, we got a good 15 years out of the existing CD batteries, because we inherited them from Teligent days :-) But new, qty 4- 12V 150AH batteries in series for about 3500watt and decent run-time is $1400. + $800 for replacement inverters. (The Triplites worked really well, but about half of them died by the end of eight years. We matched good inverters with good pre-existing batteries and vice versa.) So our thought was Why not buy a $2000 generator for the run-time and load, and then several smaller UPSes for infront to cover the surges, power conditioning, and monitoring? Ones that keep running even when batteries short out. Part of the reason we are investigating is that we now have duplicate need of devices to power. Some are AC devices like PC routers. Some are 20-24VDC w/AC adapters. Some are new licensed gear running on 48V. Cost is increased having long battery run time on both seperate AC and DC backup power subsystems. And how do we plan for load growth? How many new radios installed will be AC or DC? Unlicensed versus Licensed? We really dont know in advance. There is a lot of power waste going from AC to DC to AC to DC. The thought was... If long run time was accomplished by the propaine generator, both DC and AC battery subsystems could be installed with lower cost lower run-time batteries. We'd still need to account for max watts growth for each subsystem, but we could way reduce AH requirements for both subsystems. Or am I making this to complicated, and better just sticking with batteries :-) Chris Erikson's idea on solar panels sounded interesting. Although, I bet my ruthless roof rights people will try to charge me a monthly colo fee for them :-( I wonder if I can make the solar panels look like rain/weather shields :-) Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: jp j...@saucer.midcoast.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 12:11 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small auto start generator The tripplite APS is what we use for this. Small generators are a pain. On Sun, Aug 02, 2009 at 02:57:23PM -0430, os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: You might want something like an inverter (Xantrex for example) which includes a DC to AC inverter, battery charger, and automatic transfer switch. Add the batteries and you're done. Greg On Aug 2, 2009, at 2:38 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote: Thank you, That is very good advice. After some research, I'm leaning toward a UPS. A pair of good AGM batteries and charge controller will cost less and be far less maintainence. Then I'd just run the CMM off the batteries @ 24VDC. Thanks again Jerry -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gary Garrett Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 11:59 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small auto start generator Small generators do not auto start very reliably. When cold or dampness causes hard starting the starter can overheat and burn out. Generally you need an electric choke to start gas engines, propane can flood and need to rest before trying again, diesel can be REAL hard to start when cold. Auto starters can not adapt to changing conditions. Our best generator is a Propane Ford inline 6 cyl. 25 KW 3 phase. (1955 Model) The monitor cranks for 1 min then rests and tries 3 times. Everything is adjustable. It knows to stop cranking when it sees AC voltage from the Gen. so the motor over runs the starter for just a few seconds. Only a huge starter motor can take this abuse and last unattended. You may be money ahead to find out why the existing generator is not starting and get it fixed. Jerry Richardson wrote: We rent on a tower that is suspposed to have gen-set backup but it does not start reliably. Any recommendations on a small auto-start generator? We only need to power a CMMmicro - ~100watts. Thanks __ Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
Re: [WISPA] Small auto start generator
I think you'll find that to get a propane/NG generator installed on a commercial building rooftop, you'll be looking at $10k minimum using even the cheapest Generac air-cooled units. You'll need a roofing company to come out and modify the roof to provide a mounting surface for the generator, that will probably be the biggest cost. Getting management comfortable with modifying a $300k roof membrane could be an issue as well. Then getting gas to the unit from the building's gas supply will require a plumbing contractor, permits, inspections. Then the electrical hookup- more permits and inspections and a licensed EC. I just got a quote for qty 8 110AH 12v AGM batteries for a new site: $1500 including shipping. A note on the Generac air-cooled generators. They break. All generators break. The key is routine testing and PM. The generac air-cooled models don't have any provision for automatic alarm reporting. So when a battery dies or gas valve sticks or spark plug fouls or whatever, you won't know about it until a manual site inspection or the power goes out. The better generators (and the Generac liquid cooled models) have contact closures or RS232 interfaces to report these conditions to your site monitoring system, in turn notifying you back at the NOC. Patrick Shoemaker Vector Data Systems LLC shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com office: (301) 358-1690 x36 http://www.vectordatasystems.com Tom DeReggi wrote: We also use the triplite APS inverters with good quality Gel cell. Actually, we got a good 15 years out of the existing CD batteries, because we inherited them from Teligent days :-) But new, qty 4- 12V 150AH batteries in series for about 3500watt and decent run-time is $1400. + $800 for replacement inverters. (The Triplites worked really well, but about half of them died by the end of eight years. We matched good inverters with good pre-existing batteries and vice versa.) So our thought was Why not buy a $2000 generator for the run-time and load, and then several smaller UPSes for infront to cover the surges, power conditioning, and monitoring? Ones that keep running even when batteries short out. Part of the reason we are investigating is that we now have duplicate need of devices to power. Some are AC devices like PC routers. Some are 20-24VDC w/AC adapters. Some are new licensed gear running on 48V. Cost is increased having long battery run time on both seperate AC and DC backup power subsystems. And how do we plan for load growth? How many new radios installed will be AC or DC? Unlicensed versus Licensed? We really dont know in advance. There is a lot of power waste going from AC to DC to AC to DC. The thought was... If long run time was accomplished by the propaine generator, both DC and AC battery subsystems could be installed with lower cost lower run-time batteries. We'd still need to account for max watts growth for each subsystem, but we could way reduce AH requirements for both subsystems. Or am I making this to complicated, and better just sticking with batteries :-) Chris Erikson's idea on solar panels sounded interesting. Although, I bet my ruthless roof rights people will try to charge me a monthly colo fee for them :-( I wonder if I can make the solar panels look like rain/weather shields :-) Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: jp j...@saucer.midcoast.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 12:11 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small auto start generator The tripplite APS is what we use for this. Small generators are a pain. On Sun, Aug 02, 2009 at 02:57:23PM -0430, os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: You might want something like an inverter (Xantrex for example) which includes a DC to AC inverter, battery charger, and automatic transfer switch. Add the batteries and you're done. Greg On Aug 2, 2009, at 2:38 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote: Thank you, That is very good advice. After some research, I'm leaning toward a UPS. A pair of good AGM batteries and charge controller will cost less and be far less maintainence. Then I'd just run the CMM off the batteries @ 24VDC. Thanks again Jerry -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gary Garrett Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 11:59 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small auto start generator Small generators do not auto start very reliably. When cold or dampness causes hard starting the starter can overheat and burn out. Generally you need an electric choke to start gas engines, propane can flood and need to rest before trying again, diesel can be REAL hard to start when cold. Auto starters can not adapt to changing conditions. Our best generator is a Propane Ford inline 6 cyl. 25 KW 3 phase. (1955 Model) The monitor cranks for 1 min
Re: [WISPA] Small auto start generator
Put the word GREEN in that grant app and you might just have a shot! Not too bad of an idea with those solar panels. Brian Christopher Erickson wrote: The right type of batteries could give you 15 to 20 years of service. And adding a pair of solar panels and an MPPT solar charge controller could increase your backup battery run time from a couple of days to a couple of weeks. And no volatile fuel issues to deal with either. And their PMI interval is a godsend too. And cheaper than a genny. Add another panel or two and you might even be able to drop your grid connection. Remember to eliminate as many power conversions as possible from your telecom power design. -Christopher Erickson Network Design Engineer 5432 E. Northern Lights Blvd., Suite 529 Anchorage, AK 99508 N61?11.710' W149?46.723' -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 10:49 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small auto start generator Patrick, In general, sounds like good advice. To clarify our intent, in posting. From yr 2000-2008, our model was to 1) Have minimum 12 hour run-time of battery for core cell sites. 2) Have contingency plan for hooking up a mobile gasoline powered generator, in longer lasting Emergencies. (We have a couple hot spare generators) Why are we changing our view point? 1) Many of the batteries have now died, and need replaced. Batteries are still very expensive. Propaine Generators have come way down in price (aka Generac) In most case, the generator will be less expensive than the batteries, based on watt load at the sites. 2) Our network has grown, but our staff size has shrunk. We realize the challenge that more than one site can loose power at once, and harder to get to multiple locations at once with generators. Its hard to know when batteries will hold or not, when towards the end of their life, so its always a rush with the genrators. 9/10 cases by the time we get generators onsite, the power gets restored within minutes. 3) Its easy to throw a generator on a Grant Application :-) We believe permanent onsite generators would likely increase uptime, and not necessarilly be more expensive, for some of our sites. (We'd of course still keep some patteries inline) The question is whether it will be more hassle than we realize to re-fill them and inspect them. Some people told me quarterly inspections are needed, or sometimes they do not start when needed. We are already connected to building generators, where we were allowed to, so we are looking at sites where our only option was to put in our own. I'm still uncertain what objections or preferences property management would have for this type stuff. For example, whether they would be concerned about it blowing up if a gas leak occured. I actually have one building in mind wher egetting a new electrical connector from the roof to the ground would be really a big pain. Would require Xray and drilling every floor of 20. There I'd like to put a roof mounted propaine generator. I was thinking maybe the best option is to just have a small external tank, and swap the tank after use? I would think where there is pre-existing riser space, I'd want to mount on ground level, and run thick gauge AC wire up. Mostly I was wondering if management companies look for specific features for the device, or if Generac would offer all standard features to meet the requirements of code and property managers. For our smaller watt sites, we'd of course stick with batteries. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Patrick Shoemaker" shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 9:07 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small auto start generator Yes, it's possible to get a generator installed on a roof, but it will be an expensive project in our area due to the code compliance issues. However, most commercial buildings will have a preexisting emergency power system for critical loads installed already. There are strict requirements such as sub 10 second startup times, routine testing, and fuel availability requirements. If you talk to the building engineer, you might be able to convince them to allow you a small amount of power from an emergency circuit. The buildings I am in do this for most of their tenants for phone systems, etc. Failing that, have an electrician run conduit to the parking lot and place a power inlet down there. Be sure to have 24 hours of battery capacity, and use a trailer-mounted generator in the parking lot for the rare outage that lasts longer than the batteries. Patrick Shoemaker Vector Data Systems LLC shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com office: (301) 358-1690 x36 http://www.vectordatasystems.com Tom DeReggi wrote: While on the
Re: [WISPA] Small auto start generator
Patrick, All excellent points, and reality checks. Thanks for the feedback! Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Patrick Shoemaker shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 5:58 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small auto start generator I think you'll find that to get a propane/NG generator installed on a commercial building rooftop, you'll be looking at $10k minimum using even the cheapest Generac air-cooled units. You'll need a roofing company to come out and modify the roof to provide a mounting surface for the generator, that will probably be the biggest cost. Getting management comfortable with modifying a $300k roof membrane could be an issue as well. Then getting gas to the unit from the building's gas supply will require a plumbing contractor, permits, inspections. Then the electrical hookup- more permits and inspections and a licensed EC. I just got a quote for qty 8 110AH 12v AGM batteries for a new site: $1500 including shipping. A note on the Generac air-cooled generators. They break. All generators break. The key is routine testing and PM. The generac air-cooled models don't have any provision for automatic alarm reporting. So when a battery dies or gas valve sticks or spark plug fouls or whatever, you won't know about it until a manual site inspection or the power goes out. The better generators (and the Generac liquid cooled models) have contact closures or RS232 interfaces to report these conditions to your site monitoring system, in turn notifying you back at the NOC. Patrick Shoemaker Vector Data Systems LLC shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com office: (301) 358-1690 x36 http://www.vectordatasystems.com Tom DeReggi wrote: We also use the triplite APS inverters with good quality Gel cell. Actually, we got a good 15 years out of the existing CD batteries, because we inherited them from Teligent days :-) But new, qty 4- 12V 150AH batteries in series for about 3500watt and decent run-time is $1400. + $800 for replacement inverters. (The Triplites worked really well, but about half of them died by the end of eight years. We matched good inverters with good pre-existing batteries and vice versa.) So our thought was Why not buy a $2000 generator for the run-time and load, and then several smaller UPSes for infront to cover the surges, power conditioning, and monitoring? Ones that keep running even when batteries short out. Part of the reason we are investigating is that we now have duplicate need of devices to power. Some are AC devices like PC routers. Some are 20-24VDC w/AC adapters. Some are new licensed gear running on 48V. Cost is increased having long battery run time on both seperate AC and DC backup power subsystems. And how do we plan for load growth? How many new radios installed will be AC or DC? Unlicensed versus Licensed? We really dont know in advance. There is a lot of power waste going from AC to DC to AC to DC. The thought was... If long run time was accomplished by the propaine generator, both DC and AC battery subsystems could be installed with lower cost lower run-time batteries. We'd still need to account for max watts growth for each subsystem, but we could way reduce AH requirements for both subsystems. Or am I making this to complicated, and better just sticking with batteries :-) Chris Erikson's idea on solar panels sounded interesting. Although, I bet my ruthless roof rights people will try to charge me a monthly colo fee for them :-( I wonder if I can make the solar panels look like rain/weather shields :-) Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: jp j...@saucer.midcoast.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 12:11 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small auto start generator The tripplite APS is what we use for this. Small generators are a pain. On Sun, Aug 02, 2009 at 02:57:23PM -0430, os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: You might want something like an inverter (Xantrex for example) which includes a DC to AC inverter, battery charger, and automatic transfer switch. Add the batteries and you're done. Greg On Aug 2, 2009, at 2:38 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote: Thank you, That is very good advice. After some research, I'm leaning toward a UPS. A pair of good AGM batteries and charge controller will cost less and be far less maintainence. Then I'd just run the CMM off the batteries @ 24VDC. Thanks again Jerry -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gary Garrett Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 11:59 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small auto start generator Small generators do not auto start very reliably. When cold or dampness causes hard
[WISPA] Defective Microtik
Is anybody having problems with R433AH's Microtik cards out of the box lately? We purchased four this year so far and one beeped once only on 18v not higher or loser voltages but it never beeped twice or got to an interface we could use. We just installed another one and it now is giving kernel errors and unless authenticate all is on everyone loses registration every few hours. We updated the firmware but with no positive result. My costs for tower climbers and anger from the 150 customers on the radio that went bad the day after we installed it is getting costly and wearing on my staff. We're going back right now to reinstall the old 133 board. Any others having these problems? Forbes Mercy President - Washington Broadband, Inc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Defective Microtik
I had 2 433ah that were fine for a year until lightning got them. I'm pretty sure I used more of them elsewhere (no problems with anything else though). I would never use a 133 board. I strongly dislike them. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 7:53 PM, Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.comwrote: Is anybody having problems with R433AH's Microtik cards out of the box lately? We purchased four this year so far and one beeped once only on 18v not higher or loser voltages but it never beeped twice or got to an interface we could use. We just installed another one and it now is giving kernel errors and unless authenticate all is on everyone loses registration every few hours. We updated the firmware but with no positive result. My costs for tower climbers and anger from the 150 customers on the radio that went bad the day after we installed it is getting costly and wearing on my staff. We're going back right now to reinstall the old 133 board. Any others having these problems? Forbes Mercy President - Washington Broadband, Inc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Defective Microtik
Sure these are not overclocked? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Forbes Mercy Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 6:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Defective Microtik Is anybody having problems with R433AH's Microtik cards out of the box lately? We purchased four this year so far and one beeped once only on 18v not higher or loser voltages but it never beeped twice or got to an interface we could use. We just installed another one and it now is giving kernel errors and unless authenticate all is on everyone loses registration every few hours. We updated the firmware but with no positive result. My costs for tower climbers and anger from the 150 customers on the radio that went bad the day after we installed it is getting costly and wearing on my staff. We're going back right now to reinstall the old 133 board. Any others having these problems? Forbes Mercy President - Washington Broadband, Inc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Defective Microtik
Why they don't make them anymore! Lol .. They were good, just NO cpu behind them, simple as that! Lol. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 7:00 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Defective Microtik I had 2 433ah that were fine for a year until lightning got them. I'm pretty sure I used more of them elsewhere (no problems with anything else though). I would never use a 133 board. I strongly dislike them. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 7:53 PM, Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.comwrote: Is anybody having problems with R433AH's Microtik cards out of the box lately? We purchased four this year so far and one beeped once only on 18v not higher or loser voltages but it never beeped twice or got to an interface we could use. We just installed another one and it now is giving kernel errors and unless authenticate all is on everyone loses registration every few hours. We updated the firmware but with no positive result. My costs for tower climbers and anger from the 150 customers on the radio that went bad the day after we installed it is getting costly and wearing on my staff. We're going back right now to reinstall the old 133 board. Any others having these problems? Forbes Mercy President - Washington Broadband, Inc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Defective Microtik
Nothing that I have seen. Sure they were not repackaged by your vendor? And/or like I suggested overclocked. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Forbes Mercy Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 6:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Defective Microtik Is anybody having problems with R433AH's Microtik cards out of the box lately? We purchased four this year so far and one beeped once only on 18v not higher or loser voltages but it never beeped twice or got to an interface we could use. We just installed another one and it now is giving kernel errors and unless authenticate all is on everyone loses registration every few hours. We updated the firmware but with no positive result. My costs for tower climbers and anger from the 150 customers on the radio that went bad the day after we installed it is getting costly and wearing on my staff. We're going back right now to reinstall the old 133 board. Any others having these problems? Forbes Mercy President - Washington Broadband, Inc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Defective Microtik
Every 133 I used had a problem. Be it software, hardware, DOA, lightning, whatever. Out of dozens out there none survived and were replaced, necessarily, by a newer board. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:05 PM, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.netwrote: Nothing that I have seen. Sure they were not repackaged by your vendor? And/or like I suggested overclocked. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Forbes Mercy Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 6:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Defective Microtik Is anybody having problems with R433AH's Microtik cards out of the box lately? We purchased four this year so far and one beeped once only on 18v not higher or loser voltages but it never beeped twice or got to an interface we could use. We just installed another one and it now is giving kernel errors and unless authenticate all is on everyone loses registration every few hours. We updated the firmware but with no positive result. My costs for tower climbers and anger from the 150 customers on the radio that went bad the day after we installed it is getting costly and wearing on my staff. We're going back right now to reinstall the old 133 board. Any others having these problems? Forbes Mercy President - Washington Broadband, Inc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Small auto start generator
And don't forget the disposal costs of batteries when they are no longer functional. Telephone companies have an extensive HAZMAT documentation and chain of custody requirement for their switch batteries. Don't think this industry will get away with not having some requirement like that for long :-) Thank You, Thank You, Brian Webster Tom DeReggi wrote: Patrick, In general, sounds like good advice. To clarify our intent, in posting. From yr 2000-2008, our model was to 1) Have minimum 12 hour run-time of battery for core cell sites. 2) Have contingency plan for hooking up a mobile gasoline powered generator, in longer lasting Emergencies. (We have a couple hot spare generators) Why are we changing our view point? 1) Many of the batteries have now died, and need replaced. Batteries are still very expensive. Propaine Generators have come way down in price (aka Generac) In most case, the generator will be less expensive than the batteries, based on watt load at the sites. 2) Our network has grown, but our staff size has shrunk. We realize the challenge that more than one site can loose power at once, and harder to get to multiple locations at once with generators. Its hard to know when batteries will hold or not, when towards the end of their life, so its always a rush with the genrators. 9/10 cases by the time we get generators onsite, the power gets restored within minutes. 3) Its easy to throw a generator on a Grant Application :-) We believe permanent onsite generators would likely increase uptime, and not necessarilly be more expensive, for some of our sites. (We'd of course still keep some patteries inline) The question is whether it will be more hassle than we realize to re-fill them and inspect them. Some people told me quarterly inspections are needed, or sometimes they do not start when needed. We are already connected to building generators, where we were allowed to, so we are looking at sites where our only option was to put in our own. I'm still uncertain what objections or preferences property management would have for this type stuff. For example, whether they would be concerned about it blowing up if a gas leak occured. I actually have one building in mind wher egetting a new electrical connector from the roof to the ground would be really a big pain. Would require Xray and drilling every floor of 20. There I'd like to put a roof mounted propaine generator. I was thinking maybe the best option is to just have a small external tank, and swap the tank after use? I would think where there is pre-existing riser space, I'd want to mount on ground level, and run thick gauge AC wire up. Mostly I was wondering if management companies look for specific features for the device, or if Generac would offer all standard features to meet the requirements of code and property managers. For our smaller watt sites, we'd of course stick with batteries. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Patrick Shoemaker" shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 9:07 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small auto start generator Yes, it's possible to get a generator installed on a roof, but it will be an expensive project in our area due to the code compliance issues. However, most commercial buildings will have a preexisting emergency power system for critical loads installed already. There are strict requirements such as sub 10 second startup times, routine testing, and fuel availability requirements. If you talk to the building engineer, you might be able to convince them to allow you a small amount of power from an emergency circuit. The buildings I am in do this for most of their tenants for phone systems, etc. Failing that, have an electrician run conduit to the parking lot and place a power inlet down there. Be sure to have 24 hours of battery capacity, and use a trailer-mounted generator in the parking lot for the rare outage that lasts longer than the batteries. Patrick Shoemaker Vector Data Systems LLC shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com office: (301) 358-1690 x36 http://www.vectordatasystems.com Tom DeReggi wrote: While on the topic of generators. Anyone have advice on how to accommodate generators in Commercial Multi-tenant buildings. Several things come to mind... Gas generators are definately not allowed on roofs, for fire safety reasons. Adequate ventilation is likely needed for either gas or Propain generators. What type propain generators would likely gain permission to get installed in a rooftop penthouse? or Roof? If a propain generator was used on a top floor, how would Propain get re-fueled easilly? Is is standard proceedure to have removable tanks, and just have new tanks swapped (like a gas grill).? Or is is customary to have tanks on the ground level? Or is
Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Small auto start generator
Uhm...exchange them for 15 bucks off a new one... On 8/3/09, Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com wrote: And don't forget the disposal costs of batteries when they are no longer functional. Telephone companies have an extensive HAZMAT documentation and chain of custody requirement for their switch batteries. Don't think this industry will get away with not having some requirement like that for long :-) Thank You, Brian Webster Tom DeReggi wrote: Patrick, In general, sounds like good advice. To clarify our intent, in posting. From yr 2000-2008, our model was to 1) Have minimum 12 hour run-time of battery for core cell sites. 2) Have contingency plan for hooking up a mobile gasoline powered generator, in longer lasting Emergencies. (We have a couple hot spare generators) Why are we changing our view point? 1) Many of the batteries have now died, and need replaced. Batteries are still very expensive. Propaine Generators have come way down in price (aka Generac) In most case, the generator will be less expensive than the batteries, based on watt load at the sites. 2) Our network has grown, but our staff size has shrunk. We realize the challenge that more than one site can loose power at once, and harder to get to multiple locations at once with generators. Its hard to know when batteries will hold or not, when towards the end of their life, so its always a rush with the genrators. 9/10 cases by the time we get generators onsite, the power gets restored within minutes. 3) Its easy to throw a generator on a Grant Application :-) We believe permanent onsite generators would likely increase uptime, and not necessarilly be more expensive, for some of our sites. (We'd of course still keep some patteries inline) The question is whether it will be more hassle than we realize to re-fill them and inspect them. Some people told me quarterly inspections are needed, or sometimes they do not start when needed. We are already connected to building generators, where we were allowed to, so we are looking at sites where our only option was to put in our own. I'm still uncertain what objections or preferences property management would have for this type stuff. For example, whether they would be concerned about it blowing up if a gas leak occured. I actually have one building in mind wher egetting a new electrical connector from the roof to the ground would be really a big pain. Would require Xray and drilling every floor of 20. There I'd like to put a roof mounted propaine generator. I was thinking maybe the best option is to just have a small external tank, and swap the tank after use? I would think where there is pre-existing riser space, I'd want to mount on ground level, and run thick gauge AC wire up. Mostly I was wondering if management companies look for specific features for the device, or if Generac would offer all standard features to meet the requirements of code and property managers. For our smaller watt sites, we'd of course stick with batteries. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Patrick Shoemaker shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 9:07 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small auto start generator Yes, it's possible to get a generator installed on a roof, but it will be an expensive project in our area due to the code compliance issues. However, most commercial buildings will have a preexisting emergency power system for critical loads installed already. There are strict requirements such as sub 10 second startup times, routine testing, and fuel availability requirements. If you talk to the building engineer, you might be able to convince them to allow you a small amount of power from an emergency circuit. The buildings I am in do this for most of their tenants for phone systems, etc. Failing that, have an electrician run conduit to the parking lot and place a power inlet down there. Be sure to have 24 hours of battery capacity, and use a trailer-mounted generator in the parking lot for the rare outage that lasts longer than the batteries. Patrick Shoemaker Vector Data Systems LLC shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com office: (301) 358-1690 x36 http://www.vectordatasystems.com Tom DeReggi wrote: While on the topic of generators. Anyone have advice on how to accommodate generators in Commercial Multi-tenant buildings. Several things come to mind... Gas generators are definately not allowed on roofs, for fire safety reasons. Adequate ventilation is likely needed for either gas or Propain generators. What type propain generators would likely gain permission to get installed in a rooftop penthouse? or Roof? If a propain generator was used on a top floor, how would Propain get re-fueled easilly? Is is standard proceedure to
Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Small auto start generator
Title: Thank You, I'm just saying that if the telephone companies have a big requirement for tracking batteries, expect that this industry will get that level of attention soon. With all the stimulus money I would not be surprised if those requirements aren't already part of the grant compliance. Sure a small guy can exchange car or deep cycle batteries now at the parts store, I just would not expect that simplicity to last forever. Just pointing out that large battery systems will at some point have an additional liability to consider in the total cost of operation and ownership. Thank You, Brian Webster Josh Luthman wrote: Uhm...exchange them for 15 bucks off a new one... On 8/3/09, Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com wrote: And don't forget the disposal costs of batteries when they are no longer functional. Telephone companies have an extensive HAZMAT documentation and chain of custody requirement for their switch batteries. Don't think this industry will get away with not having some requirement like that for long :-) Thank You, Brian Webster Tom DeReggi wrote: Patrick, In general, sounds like good advice. To clarify our intent, in posting. From yr 2000-2008, our model was to 1) Have minimum 12 hour run-time of battery for core cell sites. 2) Have contingency plan for hooking up a mobile gasoline powered generator, in longer lasting Emergencies. (We have a couple hot spare generators) Why are we changing our view point? 1) Many of the batteries have now died, and need replaced. Batteries are still very expensive. Propaine Generators have come way down in price (aka Generac) In most case, the generator will be less expensive than the batteries, based on watt load at the sites. 2) Our network has grown, but our staff size has shrunk. We realize the challenge that more than one site can loose power at once, and harder to get to multiple locations at once with generators. Its hard to know when batteries will hold or not, when towards the end of their life, so its always a rush with the genrators. 9/10 cases by the time we get generators onsite, the power gets restored within minutes. 3) Its easy to throw a generator on a Grant Application :-) We believe permanent onsite generators would likely increase uptime, and not necessarilly be more expensive, for some of our sites. (We'd of course still keep some patteries inline) The question is whether it will be more hassle than we realize to re-fill them and inspect them. Some people told me quarterly inspections are needed, or sometimes they do not start when needed. We are already connected to building generators, where we were allowed to, so we are looking at sites where our only option was to put in our own. I'm still uncertain what objections or preferences property management would have for this type stuff. For example, whether they would be concerned about it blowing up if a gas leak occured. I actually have one building in mind wher egetting a new electrical connector from the roof to the ground would be really a big pain. Would require Xray and drilling every floor of 20. There I'd like to put a roof mounted propaine generator. I was thinking maybe the best option is to just have a small external tank, and swap the tank after use? I would think where there is pre-existing riser space, I'd want to mount on ground level, and run thick gauge AC wire up. Mostly I was wondering if management companies look for specific features for the device, or if Generac would offer all standard features to meet the requirements of code and property managers. For our smaller watt sites, we'd of course stick with batteries. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Patrick Shoemaker" shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 9:07 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small auto start generator Yes, it's possible to get a generator installed on a roof, but it will be an expensive project in our area due to the code compliance issues. However, most commercial buildings will have a preexisting emergency power system for critical loads installed already. There are strict requirements such as sub 10 second startup times, routine testing, and fuel availability requirements. If you talk to the building engineer, you might be able to convince them to allow you a small amount of power from an emergency circuit. The buildings I am in do this for most of their tenants for phone systems, etc. Failing that, have an electrician run conduit to the parking lot and place a power inlet down there. Be sure to have 24 hours of battery capacity, and use a trailer-mounted generator in the parking lot for the rare outage that lasts longer than the batteries. Patrick Shoemaker Vector Data Systems LLC shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com office: (301)
Re: [WISPA] Are customers increasinglyclueless?Oris itgettingbetter?
Agreed - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 4:38 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Are customers increasinglyclueless?Orisitgettingbetter? What we found was that If ISP1 has 100mb, and ISP2 has a 100mb, and ISP1 goes down and routes backup to ISP2, ISP2's customers now get performance degregation and network congestions, at the expense of ISP1. ISP2 looses customers and gains bad will far more expensive than just the backup bandwidth savings. And then of course there was a cost to connect one WISP to the other, where sometimes the transport is more expensive than the transit (even if wireless). I think there are three other options that help make a bandwdith sharing relationship work with another WISP. 1) Have 3 circuits total, and Share costs on the third backup connection. Each WISPA has their own primary connection, and then either can fail over to the shared backup connection. It being rare that both providers would fail at the same time with full traffic load. 2) ISP2 Upgrades to faster speeds, where there is a cost savings per MB, because there was a higher commit. Now ISP2 has excess capacity. ISP1 helps cover a percentage of the cost of ISP2's increased cost bandwidth. Everyone wins because there is bandwidth to spare, and lower cost per mb is acheived for being better positioned to compete. 3) ISP1 uses provider A, ISP2 uses provider B, both ISPs buy more bandwdith than they need so there is excess capacity, then two WISPs become backup for each other. Again, also increases value of carrier diversity, possibly allowing better pricing for increased volume. My point here is it is awesome when WISPs work togeather for mutual benefit, what ever the deal ends up being. I'm just pointing out excess capacity isn't free, and need to plan for the capacity that is really needed during the failover situation. The thing to realize is that maximum benefit is not always realized in a one to one relationship. A 3 WISP partnership has greater savings than a 2 WISP partnership, etc. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 3:19 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Are customers increasingly clueless?Oris itgettingbetter? I have a connection to another WISP. Cost? $0. When my main upstream goes down, MT automatically routes everything through the backup. In exchange, I provide labor to the other WISP when he encounters things he personally doesn't want to do. I think it's a great relationship. It'd cost each of us more to get our half of the equation elsewhere. Everything is completely diverse. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 8:38 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Are customers increasingly clueless? Oris itgettingbetter? Don't be afraid to get creative with your backup connection. Mine is a $60 a month 6 meg down and 768k up DSL line. Sure we average 12 meg on the bandwidth graph, but it's better than being off. When I have to use the backup I limit all connections to 56k up and 100k down. Brian Tom DeReggi wrote: Actually, I disagree with your example. You let your customer down, not Qwest. Did you route them out your secondary transit? If you didn;t have one, thats not the customer's faught. Did you let him know that you are trying to contact Quest yourself to get more information on an ETA, and influence a work around? Did he feel you were in control of the situation? Or did you leave him to fend for himself, even though you were the expert on the technology? Sending the message, oh well, its down, not my problem, let all my own customers suffer, so what is not taking care of your clients. If you had communicated with your client making him feel like you were working towards defending his interests, he never would have took action into his own hands and called Qwest directly to investigate further, and get false answers. So yes, Customers can be irrational, often unfair and unforgiving, but if you want to keep your clients its up to you to deal with it and take care of them. Who's faught it is, is irrelevent. Customer Service is about taking care of the customer. I just lost a customer 2 weeks ago. Power went out AGAIN! It keeps blowing breakers on electrical panels not under my controll or access. I can put UPSes there all day, but that does no good if breakers turn off upstream of my electrical Demarc. But DSL, CABLE, and Cellular EVDO didn't go out every time the property had power failures. It
Re: [WISPA] Defective Microtik
Try using shielded cable, and you won't have a problem. We're installed thousands in Colorado (second worst lightning in the country, next to Florida) and everytime we install without shielded cable-it's junk after a storm. We use shielded cable on ALL installs-customer installs as well. And the good grounded PacWireless POE injectors. With thousands in service, it's rare we get a lightning related service call. We justify the extra couple dollars in cable by saving the cost of truck rolls, replacement equipment, and unhappy customers. On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 6:10 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: Every 133 I used had a problem. Be it software, hardware, DOA, lightning, whatever. Out of dozens out there none survived and were replaced, necessarily, by a newer board. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:05 PM, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net wrote: Nothing that I have seen. Sure they were not repackaged by your vendor? And/or like I suggested overclocked. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Forbes Mercy Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 6:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Defective Microtik Is anybody having problems with R433AH's Microtik cards out of the box lately? We purchased four this year so far and one beeped once only on 18v not higher or loser voltages but it never beeped twice or got to an interface we could use. We just installed another one and it now is giving kernel errors and unless authenticate all is on everyone loses registration every few hours. We updated the firmware but with no positive result. My costs for tower climbers and anger from the 150 customers on the radio that went bad the day after we installed it is getting costly and wearing on my staff. We're going back right now to reinstall the old 133 board. Any others having these problems? Forbes Mercy President - Washington Broadband, Inc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Defective Microtik
I am using shielded cable and Pac POEs andd lost all 3 APs here a few weeks ago. On 8/3/09, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote: Try using shielded cable, and you won't have a problem. We're installed thousands in Colorado (second worst lightning in the country, next to Florida) and everytime we install without shielded cable-it's junk after a storm. We use shielded cable on ALL installs-customer installs as well. And the good grounded PacWireless POE injectors. With thousands in service, it's rare we get a lightning related service call. We justify the extra couple dollars in cable by saving the cost of truck rolls, replacement equipment, and unhappy customers. On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 6:10 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: Every 133 I used had a problem. Be it software, hardware, DOA, lightning, whatever. Out of dozens out there none survived and were replaced, necessarily, by a newer board. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:05 PM, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net wrote: Nothing that I have seen. Sure they were not repackaged by your vendor? And/or like I suggested overclocked. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Forbes Mercy Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 6:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Defective Microtik Is anybody having problems with R433AH's Microtik cards out of the box lately? We purchased four this year so far and one beeped once only on 18v not higher or loser voltages but it never beeped twice or got to an interface we could use. We just installed another one and it now is giving kernel errors and unless authenticate all is on everyone loses registration every few hours. We updated the firmware but with no positive result. My costs for tower climbers and anger from the 150 customers on the radio that went bad the day after we installed it is getting costly and wearing on my staff. We're going back right now to reinstall the old 133 board. Any others having these problems? Forbes Mercy President - Washington Broadband, Inc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Defective Microtik
We also solder the drain wire from the cable onto the RJ45 connector after we crimp it on. Key is to ensure you have a good ground from A to Z. On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:26 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: I am using shielded cable and Pac POEs andd lost all 3 APs here a few weeks ago. On 8/3/09, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote: Try using shielded cable, and you won't have a problem. We're installed thousands in Colorado (second worst lightning in the country, next to Florida) and everytime we install without shielded cable-it's junk after a storm. We use shielded cable on ALL installs-customer installs as well. And the good grounded PacWireless POE injectors. With thousands in service, it's rare we get a lightning related service call. We justify the extra couple dollars in cable by saving the cost of truck rolls, replacement equipment, and unhappy customers. On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 6:10 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: Every 133 I used had a problem. Be it software, hardware, DOA, lightning, whatever. Out of dozens out there none survived and were replaced, necessarily, by a newer board. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:05 PM, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net wrote: Nothing that I have seen. Sure they were not repackaged by your vendor? And/or like I suggested overclocked. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Forbes Mercy Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 6:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Defective Microtik Is anybody having problems with R433AH's Microtik cards out of the box lately? We purchased four this year so far and one beeped once only on 18v not higher or loser voltages but it never beeped twice or got to an interface we could use. We just installed another one and it now is giving kernel errors and unless authenticate all is on everyone loses registration every few hours. We updated the firmware but with no positive result. My costs for tower climbers and anger from the 150 customers on the radio that went bad the day after we installed it is getting costly and wearing on my staff. We're going back right now to reinstall the old 133 board. Any others having these problems? Forbes Mercy President - Washington Broadband, Inc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
Re: [WISPA] Defective Microtik
You lost me - drain wire? Soldered onto a plastic rj45? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 10:27 PM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.comwrote: We also solder the drain wire from the cable onto the RJ45 connector after we crimp it on. Key is to ensure you have a good ground from A to Z. On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:26 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I am using shielded cable and Pac POEs andd lost all 3 APs here a few weeks ago. On 8/3/09, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote: Try using shielded cable, and you won't have a problem. We're installed thousands in Colorado (second worst lightning in the country, next to Florida) and everytime we install without shielded cable-it's junk after a storm. We use shielded cable on ALL installs-customer installs as well. And the good grounded PacWireless POE injectors. With thousands in service, it's rare we get a lightning related service call. We justify the extra couple dollars in cable by saving the cost of truck rolls, replacement equipment, and unhappy customers. On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 6:10 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: Every 133 I used had a problem. Be it software, hardware, DOA, lightning, whatever. Out of dozens out there none survived and were replaced, necessarily, by a newer board. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:05 PM, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net wrote: Nothing that I have seen. Sure they were not repackaged by your vendor? And/or like I suggested overclocked. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of Forbes Mercy Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 6:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Defective Microtik Is anybody having problems with R433AH's Microtik cards out of the box lately? We purchased four this year so far and one beeped once only on 18v not higher or loser voltages but it never beeped twice or got to an interface we could use. We just installed another one and it now is giving kernel errors and unless authenticate all is on everyone loses registration every few hours. We updated the firmware but with no positive result. My costs for tower climbers and anger from the 150 customers on the radio that went bad the day after we installed it is getting costly and wearing on my staff. We're going back right now to reinstall the old 133 board. Any others having these problems? Forbes Mercy President - Washington Broadband, Inc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337
Re: [WISPA] Defective Microtik
Uhm, if you use shielded cable, you must use shielded connectors. Using unshielded connectors, with shielded cable, is like having a 100' long lightning/static pickup cable that will drain right into your board. Shielded connectors, shielded cable, drain wire soldered on, into a good grounded POE injector == no problems for many years On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:36 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: You lost me - drain wire? Soldered onto a plastic rj45? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 10:27 PM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote: We also solder the drain wire from the cable onto the RJ45 connector after we crimp it on. Key is to ensure you have a good ground from A to Z. On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:26 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I am using shielded cable and Pac POEs andd lost all 3 APs here a few weeks ago. On 8/3/09, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote: Try using shielded cable, and you won't have a problem. We're installed thousands in Colorado (second worst lightning in the country, next to Florida) and everytime we install without shielded cable-it's junk after a storm. We use shielded cable on ALL installs-customer installs as well. And the good grounded PacWireless POE injectors. With thousands in service, it's rare we get a lightning related service call. We justify the extra couple dollars in cable by saving the cost of truck rolls, replacement equipment, and unhappy customers. On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 6:10 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: Every 133 I used had a problem. Be it software, hardware, DOA, lightning, whatever. Out of dozens out there none survived and were replaced, necessarily, by a newer board. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:05 PM, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net wrote: Nothing that I have seen. Sure they were not repackaged by your vendor? And/or like I suggested overclocked. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of Forbes Mercy Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 6:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Defective Microtik Is anybody having problems with R433AH's Microtik cards out of the box lately? We purchased four this year so far and one beeped once only on 18v not higher or loser voltages but it never beeped twice or got to an interface we could use. We just installed another one and it now is giving kernel errors and unless authenticate all is on everyone loses registration every few hours. We updated the firmware but with no positive result. My costs for tower climbers and anger from the 150 customers on the radio that went bad the day after we installed it is getting costly and wearing on my staff. We're going back right now to reinstall the old 133 board. Any others having these problems? Forbes Mercy President - Washington Broadband, Inc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Defective Microtik
*Face plant* Never heard of those before... I'm assuming the black wire in this picture is the drain wire? It doesn't drain water, but is conductive - is this right? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:FTP_cable3.jpg Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 10:39 PM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.comwrote: Uhm, if you use shielded cable, you must use shielded connectors. Using unshielded connectors, with shielded cable, is like having a 100' long lightning/static pickup cable that will drain right into your board. Shielded connectors, shielded cable, drain wire soldered on, into a good grounded POE injector == no problems for many years On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:36 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: You lost me - drain wire? Soldered onto a plastic rj45? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 10:27 PM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote: We also solder the drain wire from the cable onto the RJ45 connector after we crimp it on. Key is to ensure you have a good ground from A to Z. On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:26 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I am using shielded cable and Pac POEs andd lost all 3 APs here a few weeks ago. On 8/3/09, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote: Try using shielded cable, and you won't have a problem. We're installed thousands in Colorado (second worst lightning in the country, next to Florida) and everytime we install without shielded cable-it's junk after a storm. We use shielded cable on ALL installs-customer installs as well. And the good grounded PacWireless POE injectors. With thousands in service, it's rare we get a lightning related service call. We justify the extra couple dollars in cable by saving the cost of truck rolls, replacement equipment, and unhappy customers. On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 6:10 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: Every 133 I used had a problem. Be it software, hardware, DOA, lightning, whatever. Out of dozens out there none survived and were replaced, necessarily, by a newer board. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:05 PM, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net wrote: Nothing that I have seen. Sure they were not repackaged by your vendor? And/or like I suggested overclocked. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of Forbes Mercy Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 6:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Defective Microtik Is anybody having problems with R433AH's Microtik cards out of the box lately? We purchased four this year so far and one beeped once only on 18v not higher or loser voltages but it never beeped twice or got to an interface we could use. We just installed another one and it now is giving kernel errors and unless authenticate all is on everyone loses registration every few hours. We updated the firmware but with no positive result. My costs for tower climbers and anger from the 150 customers on the radio that went bad the day after we installed it is getting costly and wearing on my staff. We're going back right now to reinstall the old 133 board. Any others having these problems? Forbes Mercy President - Washington Broadband, Inc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] Small auto start generator
Its really not onerous requirements. Basically you need to dispose of them with a true battery recylcer - often times the scrap dealer down the road. As long as they provide documenation that you took them to someone reputable in the chain, you are fine. A typical flooded CO battery weighs in at around 400 lbs, the last ones we removed got .15 cents a lb, with paper trail to Doe Run MO. The site had over 48 of them. You need a special sling to move them... If anyone has to I can give details. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 8:41 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small auto start generator And don't forget the disposal costs of batteries when they are no longer functional. Telephone companies have an extensive HAZMAT documentation and chain of custody requirement for their switch batteries. Don't think this industry will get away with not having some requirement like that for long :-) Thank You, Brian Webster !--[endif]-- Tom DeReggi wrote: Patrick, In general, sounds like good advice. To clarify our intent, in posting. From yr 2000-2008, our model was to 1) Have minimum 12 hour run-time of battery for core cell sites. 2) Have contingency plan for hooking up a mobile gasoline powered generator, in longer lasting Emergencies. (We have a couple hot spare generators) Why are we changing our view point? 1) Many of the batteries have now died, and need replaced. Batteries are still very expensive. Propaine Generators have come way down in price (aka Generac) In most case, the generator will be less expensive than the batteries, based on watt load at the sites. 2) Our network has grown, but our staff size has shrunk. We realize the challenge that more than one site can loose power at once, and harder to get to multiple locations at once with generators. Its hard to know when batteries will hold or not, when towards the end of their life, so its always a rush with the genrators. 9/10 cases by the time we get generators onsite, the power gets restored within minutes. 3) Its easy to throw a generator on a Grant Application :-) We believe permanent onsite generators would likely increase uptime, and not necessarilly be more expensive, for some of our sites. (We'd of course still keep some patteries inline) The question is whether it will be more hassle than we realize to re-fill them and inspect them. Some people told me quarterly inspections are needed, or sometimes they do not start when needed. We are already connected to building generators, where we were allowed to, so we are looking at sites where our only option was to put in our own. I'm still uncertain what objections or preferences property management would have for this type stuff. For example, whether they would be concerned about it blowing up if a gas leak occured. I actually have one building in mind wher egetting a new electrical connector from the roof to the ground would be really a big pain. Would require Xray and drilling every floor of 20. There I'd like to put a roof mounted propaine generator. I was thinking maybe the best option is to just have a small external tank, and swap the tank after use? I would think where there is pre-existing riser space, I'd want to mount on ground level, and run thick gauge AC wire up. Mostly I was wondering if management companies look for specific features for the device, or if Generac would offer all standard features to meet the requirements of code and property managers. For our smaller watt sites, we'd of course stick with batteries. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Patrick Shoemaker shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 9:07 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small auto start generator Yes, it's possible to get a generator installed on a roof, but it will be an expensive project in our area due to the code compliance issues. However, most commercial buildings will have a preexisting emergency power system for critical loads installed already. There are strict requirements such as sub 10 second startup times, routine testing, and fuel availability requirements. If you talk to the building engineer, you might be able to convince them to allow you a small amount of power from an emergency circuit. The buildings I am in do this for most of their tenants for phone systems, etc. Failing that, have an electrician run conduit to the parking lot and place a power inlet down there. Be sure to have 24 hours of battery capacity, and use a trailer-mounted generator in the parking lot for the rare outage that lasts longer than
Re: [WISPA] Defective Microtik
It does no good to run shielded cable if you aren't using shielded RJ-45 ends as well. ;) Travis Microserv Josh Luthman wrote: You lost me - drain wire? Soldered onto a plastic rj45? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth." --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 10:27 PM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.comwrote: We also solder the drain wire from the cable onto the RJ45 connector after we crimp it on. Key is to ensure you have a good ground from A to Z. On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:26 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I am using shielded cable and Pac POEs andd lost all 3 APs here a few weeks ago. On 8/3/09, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote: Try using shielded cable, and you won't have a problem. We're installed thousands in Colorado (second worst lightning in the country, next to Florida) and everytime we install without shielded cable-it's junk after a storm. We use shielded cable on ALL installs-customer installs as well. And the good grounded PacWireless POE injectors. With thousands in service, it's rare we get a lightning related service call. We justify the extra couple dollars in cable by saving the cost of truck rolls, replacement equipment, and unhappy customers. On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 6:10 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: Every 133 I used had a problem. Be it software, hardware, DOA, lightning, whatever. Out of dozens out there none survived and were replaced, necessarily, by a newer board. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth." --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:05 PM, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net wrote: Nothing that I have seen. Sure they were not repackaged by your vendor? And/or like I suggested overclocked. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of Forbes Mercy Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 6:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Defective Microtik Is anybody having problems with R433AH's Microtik cards out of the box lately? We purchased four this year so far and one beeped once only on 18v not higher or loser voltages but it never beeped twice or got to an interface we could use. We just installed another one and it now is giving kernel errors and unless authenticate all is on everyone loses registration every few hours. We updated the firmware but with no positive result. My costs for tower climbers and anger from the 150 customers on the radio that went bad the day after we installed it is getting costly and wearing on my staff. We're going back right now to reinstall the old 133 board. Any others having these problems? Forbes Mercy President - Washington Broadband, Inc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] Defective Microtik
Yes, but in most shielded cable we get, the drain wire is just a bare, silver wire inside the cover like that one. If you aren't grounding that, you aren't really doing anything but wasting money on cable... :( Travis Josh Luthman wrote: *Face plant* Never heard of those before... I'm assuming the black wire in this picture is the drain wire? It doesn't drain water, but is conductive - is this right? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:FTP_cable3.jpg Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth." --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 10:39 PM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.comwrote: Uhm, if you use shielded cable, you must use shielded connectors. Using unshielded connectors, with shielded cable, is like having a 100' long lightning/static pickup cable that will drain right into your board. Shielded connectors, shielded cable, drain wire soldered on, into a good grounded POE injector == no problems for many years On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:36 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: You lost me - drain wire? Soldered onto a plastic rj45? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth." --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 10:27 PM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote: We also solder the drain wire from the cable onto the RJ45 connector after we crimp it on. Key is to ensure you have a good ground from A to Z. On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:26 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I am using shielded cable and Pac POEs andd lost all 3 APs here a few weeks ago. On 8/3/09, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote: Try using shielded cable, and you won't have a problem. We're installed thousands in Colorado (second worst lightning in the country, next to Florida) and everytime we install without shielded cable-it's junk after a storm. We use shielded cable on ALL installs-customer installs as well. And the good grounded PacWireless POE injectors. With thousands in service, it's rare we get a lightning related service call. We justify the extra couple dollars in cable by saving the cost of truck rolls, replacement equipment, and unhappy customers. On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 6:10 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: Every 133 I used had a problem. Be it software, hardware, DOA, lightning, whatever. Out of dozens out there none survived and were replaced, necessarily, by a newer board. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth." --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:05 PM, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net wrote: Nothing that I have seen. Sure they were not repackaged by your vendor? And/or like I suggested overclocked. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of Forbes Mercy Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 6:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Defective Microtik Is anybody having problems with R433AH's Microtik cards out of
Re: [WISPA] WTB: MikroTik RB/411 with blown ethernet ports
The switch is outside the shield, and if I cold find them, I could do it myself. but, if someone else is going to do them, I'll be a client . Butch Evans wrote: On Mon, 2009-08-03 at 04:25 -0400, Blair Davis wrote: But, can it be repaired cost effectively? All repairs are $30 for qty over 20. We charge $35 per board for under 20 per order. For a 411, that is probably NOT cost effective. For most other boards, it is. There is very little that we cannot replace on these SBC. I am in the process of gathering the required chips, but I have the ethernet chips for nearly all the routerboards and I have the power controllers and supporting electronics as well. With a few exceptions, I either have in stock, or on the way, everything that is needed to repair about 90%+ of any problem they would have. How about the diversity switch on the UBNT sr2 and sr5 cards? I have not checked on the cost for that part. I would imagine that we would be able to replace this part, but I have not tried working on these cards, yet. The problem with the radio cards, is the rf shield. Getting it off is not a problem, but getting it back into place without changing the rf properties is a bit more challenging and I do not have the proper equipment to guarantee that we have not changed the properties of the card (and therefore the FCC certification). WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Defective Microtik
Mmm so the recommended cable for PTP600, the superior essex bbdge or something, doesn't have this wire but is shielded. What's the purpose of the drain wire if the shielding and connectors are what's grounding? On 8/3/09, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: Yes, but in most shielded cable we get, the drain wire is just a bare, silver wire inside the cover like that one. If you aren't grounding that, you aren't really doing anything but wasting money on cable... :( Travis Josh Luthman wrote: *Face plant* Never heard of those before... I'm assuming the black wire in this picture is the drain wire? It doesn't drain water, but is conductive - is this right? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:FTP_cable3.jpg Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 10:39 PM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.comwrote: Uhm, if you use shielded cable, you must use shielded connectors. Using unshielded connectors, with shielded cable, is like having a 100' long lightning/static pickup cable that will drain right into your board. Shielded connectors, shielded cable, drain wire soldered on, into a good grounded POE injector == no problems for many years On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:36 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: You lost me - drain wire? Soldered onto a plastic rj45? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 10:27 PM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote: We also solder the drain wire from the cable onto the RJ45 connector after we crimp it on. Key is to ensure you have a good ground from A to Z. On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:26 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I am using shielded cable and Pac POEs andd lost all 3 APs here a few weeks ago. On 8/3/09, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote: Try using shielded cable, and you won't have a problem. We're installed thousands in Colorado (second worst lightning in the country, next to Florida) and everytime we install without shielded cable-it's junk after a storm. We use shielded cable on ALL installs-customer installs as well. And the good grounded PacWireless POE injectors. With thousands in service, it's rare we get a lightning related service call. We justify the extra couple dollars in cable by saving the cost of truck rolls, replacement equipment, and unhappy customers. On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 6:10 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: Every 133 I used had a problem. Be it software, hardware, DOA, lightning, whatever. Out of dozens out there none survived and were replaced, necessarily, by a newer board. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:05 PM, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net wrote: Nothing that I have seen. Sure they were not repackaged by your vendor? And/or like I suggested overclocked. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of Forbes Mercy Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 6:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Defective Microtik Is anybody having problems with R433AH's Microtik cards out of the box lately? We purchased four this year so far and one beeped once only on 18v not higher or loser voltages but it never beeped twice or got to an interface we could use. We just installed another one and it now is giving kernel errors and unless authenticate all is on everyone loses registration every few hours. We updated the firmware but with no positive result. My costs for tower climbers and anger from the 150 customers on the radio that went bad the day after we installed it is getting costly and wearing on my staff. We're going back right now to reinstall the old 133 board. Any others having these problems? Forbes Mercy President - Washington Broadband, Inc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Defective Microtik
Yea... I don't think it's black, just how the picture was taken. It's usually a silver or gold wire, seperate from the others and not insulated. Sometimes it's stranded as opposed to being solid. You don't necessarily have to solder it - but make sure it's got a good electrical connection to the shielded RJ45 connector. And that the shield of the RJ45 connector has a good electrical connection to the boards plug. And the antenna to the board. And the RJ45 to the POE, and POE to ground. You get the idea. Like I said, we have thousands of these in service in Colorado--all that use shielded cable have no problems at all. Those that don't are guaranteed problems sooner or later. Our Costa Rica operation doesn't use shielded cable (supposedly it's too costly to import), so everytime there's a storm dozens of boards are thrown away. On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:46 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: *Face plant* Never heard of those before... I'm assuming the black wire in this picture is the drain wire? It doesn't drain water, but is conductive - is this right? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:FTP_cable3.jpg Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 10:39 PM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote: Uhm, if you use shielded cable, you must use shielded connectors. Using unshielded connectors, with shielded cable, is like having a 100' long lightning/static pickup cable that will drain right into your board. Shielded connectors, shielded cable, drain wire soldered on, into a good grounded POE injector == no problems for many years On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:36 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: You lost me - drain wire? Soldered onto a plastic rj45? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 10:27 PM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote: We also solder the drain wire from the cable onto the RJ45 connector after we crimp it on. Key is to ensure you have a good ground from A to Z. On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:26 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I am using shielded cable and Pac POEs andd lost all 3 APs here a few weeks ago. On 8/3/09, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote: Try using shielded cable, and you won't have a problem. We're installed thousands in Colorado (second worst lightning in the country, next to Florida) and everytime we install without shielded cable-it's junk after a storm. We use shielded cable on ALL installs-customer installs as well. And the good grounded PacWireless POE injectors. With thousands in service, it's rare we get a lightning related service call. We justify the extra couple dollars in cable by saving the cost of truck rolls, replacement equipment, and unhappy customers. On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 6:10 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: Every 133 I used had a problem. Be it software, hardware, DOA, lightning, whatever. Out of dozens out there none survived and were replaced, necessarily, by a newer board. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:05 PM, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net wrote: Nothing that I have seen. Sure they were not repackaged by your vendor? And/or like I suggested overclocked. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of Forbes Mercy Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 6:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Defective Microtik Is anybody having problems with R433AH's Microtik cards out of the box lately? We purchased four this year so far and one beeped once only on 18v not higher or loser voltages but it never beeped twice or got to an interface we could use. We just installed another one and it now is giving kernel errors and unless authenticate all is on everyone loses registration every few hours. We updated the firmware but with no positive result.
Re: [WISPA] Defective Microtik
The shield does just that - shield, i.e. from interference. The drain wire does just that - drains errant static buildup, etc. On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 9:08 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: Mmm so the recommended cable for PTP600, the superior essex bbdge or something, doesn't have this wire but is shielded. What's the purpose of the drain wire if the shielding and connectors are what's grounding? On 8/3/09, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: Yes, but in most shielded cable we get, the drain wire is just a bare, silver wire inside the cover like that one. If you aren't grounding that, you aren't really doing anything but wasting money on cable... :( Travis Josh Luthman wrote: *Face plant* Never heard of those before... I'm assuming the black wire in this picture is the drain wire? It doesn't drain water, but is conductive - is this right? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:FTP_cable3.jpg Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 10:39 PM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.comwrote: Uhm, if you use shielded cable, you must use shielded connectors. Using unshielded connectors, with shielded cable, is like having a 100' long lightning/static pickup cable that will drain right into your board. Shielded connectors, shielded cable, drain wire soldered on, into a good grounded POE injector == no problems for many years On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:36 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: You lost me - drain wire? Soldered onto a plastic rj45? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 10:27 PM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote: We also solder the drain wire from the cable onto the RJ45 connector after we crimp it on. Key is to ensure you have a good ground from A to Z. On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:26 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I am using shielded cable and Pac POEs andd lost all 3 APs here a few weeks ago. On 8/3/09, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote: Try using shielded cable, and you won't have a problem. We're installed thousands in Colorado (second worst lightning in the country, next to Florida) and everytime we install without shielded cable-it's junk after a storm. We use shielded cable on ALL installs-customer installs as well. And the good grounded PacWireless POE injectors. With thousands in service, it's rare we get a lightning related service call. We justify the extra couple dollars in cable by saving the cost of truck rolls, replacement equipment, and unhappy customers. On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 6:10 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: Every 133 I used had a problem. Be it software, hardware, DOA, lightning, whatever. Out of dozens out there none survived and were replaced, necessarily, by a newer board. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:05 PM, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net wrote: Nothing that I have seen. Sure they were not repackaged by your vendor? And/or like I suggested overclocked. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of Forbes Mercy Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 6:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Defective Microtik Is anybody having problems with R433AH's Microtik cards out of the box lately? We purchased four this year so far and one beeped once only on 18v not higher or loser voltages but it never beeped twice or got to an interface we could use. We just installed another one and it now is giving kernel errors and unless authenticate all is on everyone loses registration every few hours. We updated the firmware but with no positive result. My costs for tower climbers and anger from the 150 customers on the radio that went bad the day after we installed it is getting costly and wearing on my staff. We're going back right now to reinstall the old 133 board. Any others
Re: [WISPA] Defective Microtik
Yea, we solder and heat shrink the ends on all our tower gear. Less problems, but still doesn't stop direct strikes, lol. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jayson Baker Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 11:09 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Defective Microtik Yea... I don't think it's black, just how the picture was taken. It's usually a silver or gold wire, seperate from the others and not insulated. Sometimes it's stranded as opposed to being solid. You don't necessarily have to solder it - but make sure it's got a good electrical connection to the shielded RJ45 connector. And that the shield of the RJ45 connector has a good electrical connection to the boards plug. And the antenna to the board. And the RJ45 to the POE, and POE to ground. You get the idea. Like I said, we have thousands of these in service in Colorado--all that use shielded cable have no problems at all. Those that don't are guaranteed problems sooner or later. Our Costa Rica operation doesn't use shielded cable (supposedly it's too costly to import), so everytime there's a storm dozens of boards are thrown away. On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:46 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: *Face plant* Never heard of those before... I'm assuming the black wire in this picture is the drain wire? It doesn't drain water, but is conductive - is this right? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:FTP_cable3.jpg Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 10:39 PM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote: Uhm, if you use shielded cable, you must use shielded connectors. Using unshielded connectors, with shielded cable, is like having a 100' long lightning/static pickup cable that will drain right into your board. Shielded connectors, shielded cable, drain wire soldered on, into a good grounded POE injector == no problems for many years On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:36 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: You lost me - drain wire? Soldered onto a plastic rj45? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 10:27 PM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote: We also solder the drain wire from the cable onto the RJ45 connector after we crimp it on. Key is to ensure you have a good ground from A to Z. On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:26 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I am using shielded cable and Pac POEs andd lost all 3 APs here a few weeks ago. On 8/3/09, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote: Try using shielded cable, and you won't have a problem. We're installed thousands in Colorado (second worst lightning in the country, next to Florida) and everytime we install without shielded cable-it's junk after a storm. We use shielded cable on ALL installs-customer installs as well. And the good grounded PacWireless POE injectors. With thousands in service, it's rare we get a lightning related service call. We justify the extra couple dollars in cable by saving the cost of truck rolls, replacement equipment, and unhappy customers. On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 6:10 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: Every 133 I used had a problem. Be it software, hardware, DOA, lightning, whatever. Out of dozens out there none survived and were replaced, necessarily, by a newer board. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:05 PM, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net wrote: Nothing that I have seen. Sure they were not repackaged by your vendor? And/or like I suggested overclocked. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of Forbes Mercy Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 6:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Defective Microtik Is anybody having problems with R433AH's Microtik cards out of the
Re: [WISPA] Small auto start generator
On Mon, Aug 03, 2009 at 05:58:11PM -0400, Patrick Shoemaker wrote: I just got a quote for qty 8 110AH 12v AGM batteries for a new site: $1500 including shipping. Patrick Shoemaker Vector Data Systems LLC shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com office: (301) 358-1690 x36 http://www.vectordatasystems.com Mind sharing where to get AGM batts like that for that price? -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Defective Microtik
So the superior essex cabling with no drain wire is no good? On 8/3/09, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote: The shield does just that - shield, i.e. from interference. The drain wire does just that - drains errant static buildup, etc. On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 9:08 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: Mmm so the recommended cable for PTP600, the superior essex bbdge or something, doesn't have this wire but is shielded. What's the purpose of the drain wire if the shielding and connectors are what's grounding? On 8/3/09, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: Yes, but in most shielded cable we get, the drain wire is just a bare, silver wire inside the cover like that one. If you aren't grounding that, you aren't really doing anything but wasting money on cable... :( Travis Josh Luthman wrote: *Face plant* Never heard of those before... I'm assuming the black wire in this picture is the drain wire? It doesn't drain water, but is conductive - is this right? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:FTP_cable3.jpg Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 10:39 PM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.comwrote: Uhm, if you use shielded cable, you must use shielded connectors. Using unshielded connectors, with shielded cable, is like having a 100' long lightning/static pickup cable that will drain right into your board. Shielded connectors, shielded cable, drain wire soldered on, into a good grounded POE injector == no problems for many years On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:36 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: You lost me - drain wire? Soldered onto a plastic rj45? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 10:27 PM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote: We also solder the drain wire from the cable onto the RJ45 connector after we crimp it on. Key is to ensure you have a good ground from A to Z. On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:26 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I am using shielded cable and Pac POEs andd lost all 3 APs here a few weeks ago. On 8/3/09, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote: Try using shielded cable, and you won't have a problem. We're installed thousands in Colorado (second worst lightning in the country, next to Florida) and everytime we install without shielded cable-it's junk after a storm. We use shielded cable on ALL installs-customer installs as well. And the good grounded PacWireless POE injectors. With thousands in service, it's rare we get a lightning related service call. We justify the extra couple dollars in cable by saving the cost of truck rolls, replacement equipment, and unhappy customers. On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 6:10 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: Every 133 I used had a problem. Be it software, hardware, DOA, lightning, whatever. Out of dozens out there none survived and were replaced, necessarily, by a newer board. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:05 PM, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net wrote: Nothing that I have seen. Sure they were not repackaged by your vendor? And/or like I suggested overclocked. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of Forbes Mercy Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 6:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Defective Microtik Is anybody having problems with R433AH's Microtik cards out of the box lately? We purchased four this year so far and one beeped once only on 18v not higher or loser voltages but it never beeped twice or got to an interface we could use. We just installed another one and it now is giving kernel errors and unless authenticate all is on everyone loses registration every few hours. We updated the firmware but with no positive result. My costs for tower climbers and anger from the 150 customers on the radio that went bad the day after we installed it is getting costly
Re: [WISPA] Small auto start generator
On Mon, Aug 03, 2009 at 05:58:11PM -0400, Patrick Shoemaker wrote: I think you'll find that to get a propane/NG generator installed on a commercial building rooftop, you'll be looking at $10k minimum using even the cheapest Generac air-cooled units. You'll need a roofing company to come out and modify the roof to provide a mounting surface for the generator, that will probably be the biggest cost. Getting management comfortable with modifying a $300k roof membrane could be an issue as well. Then getting gas to the unit from the building's gas supply will require a plumbing contractor, permits, inspections. Then the electrical hookup- more permits and inspections and a licensed EC. Also add a $1-3k for a good auto transfer switch. Maintenance such as oil changes and testing can also run a couple hundred a year in labor and materials, so that adds up over the life of the backup power solution. We've also seen propane delivery companies forget to keep the tanks full due to the unpredictable propane usage. And we've had weather so bad, propane trucks couldn't refill till spring if they wanted to. I am a big fan of whole building generators though. It's warm and fuzzy to keep a building going like normal when nobody else has power. I certainly understand the need for planning power consumption to scale with needs and growth. We consider power consumption in almost every equipment purchase or upgrade. Many upgrades decrease power consumption, like newer managed switches or newer PC hardware, making site runtime better. I just got a quote for qty 8 110AH 12v AGM batteries for a new site: $1500 including shipping. A note on the Generac air-cooled generators. They break. All generators break. The key is routine testing and PM. The generac air-cooled models don't have any provision for automatic alarm reporting. So when a battery dies or gas valve sticks or spark plug fouls or whatever, you won't know about it until a manual site inspection or the power goes out. The better generators (and the Generac liquid cooled models) have contact closures or RS232 interfaces to report these conditions to your site monitoring system, in turn notifying you back at the NOC. Patrick Shoemaker Vector Data Systems LLC shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com office: (301) 358-1690 x36 http://www.vectordatasystems.com Tom DeReggi wrote: We also use the triplite APS inverters with good quality Gel cell. Actually, we got a good 15 years out of the existing CD batteries, because we inherited them from Teligent days :-) But new, qty 4- 12V 150AH batteries in series for about 3500watt and decent run-time is $1400. + $800 for replacement inverters. (The Triplites worked really well, but about half of them died by the end of eight years. We matched good inverters with good pre-existing batteries and vice versa.) So our thought was Why not buy a $2000 generator for the run-time and load, and then several smaller UPSes for infront to cover the surges, power conditioning, and monitoring? Ones that keep running even when batteries short out. Part of the reason we are investigating is that we now have duplicate need of devices to power. Some are AC devices like PC routers. Some are 20-24VDC w/AC adapters. Some are new licensed gear running on 48V. Cost is increased having long battery run time on both seperate AC and DC backup power subsystems. And how do we plan for load growth? How many new radios installed will be AC or DC? Unlicensed versus Licensed? We really dont know in advance. There is a lot of power waste going from AC to DC to AC to DC. The thought was... If long run time was accomplished by the propaine generator, both DC and AC battery subsystems could be installed with lower cost lower run-time batteries. We'd still need to account for max watts growth for each subsystem, but we could way reduce AH requirements for both subsystems. Or am I making this to complicated, and better just sticking with batteries :-) Chris Erikson's idea on solar panels sounded interesting. Although, I bet my ruthless roof rights people will try to charge me a monthly colo fee for them :-( I wonder if I can make the solar panels look like rain/weather shields :-) Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: jp j...@saucer.midcoast.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 12:11 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small auto start generator The tripplite APS is what we use for this. Small generators are a pain. On Sun, Aug 02, 2009 at 02:57:23PM -0430, os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: You might want something like an inverter (Xantrex for example) which includes a DC to AC inverter, battery charger, and automatic transfer switch. Add the batteries and you're done.
Re: [WISPA] Defective Microtik
It's a alu shield on it solder it to the connector or strip of some of the plastic and put a nice clamp with a ground wire to electrical ground. On one tower install that is what we did used coax 400 size ground kits. Shielded connectors as well. Not lost a single Ethernet port there for h 5 years. Kansas is up there in statistics of lightning strikes each year but nothing like Florida. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 10:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Defective Microtik So the superior essex cabling with no drain wire is no good? On 8/3/09, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote: The shield does just that - shield, i.e. from interference. The drain wire does just that - drains errant static buildup, etc. On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 9:08 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: Mmm so the recommended cable for PTP600, the superior essex bbdge or something, doesn't have this wire but is shielded. What's the purpose of the drain wire if the shielding and connectors are what's grounding? On 8/3/09, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: Yes, but in most shielded cable we get, the drain wire is just a bare, silver wire inside the cover like that one. If you aren't grounding that, you aren't really doing anything but wasting money on cable... :( Travis Josh Luthman wrote: *Face plant* Never heard of those before... I'm assuming the black wire in this picture is the drain wire? It doesn't drain water, but is conductive - is this right? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:FTP_cable3.jpg Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 10:39 PM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.comwrote: Uhm, if you use shielded cable, you must use shielded connectors. Using unshielded connectors, with shielded cable, is like having a 100' long lightning/static pickup cable that will drain right into your board. Shielded connectors, shielded cable, drain wire soldered on, into a good grounded POE injector == no problems for many years On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:36 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: You lost me - drain wire? Soldered onto a plastic rj45? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 10:27 PM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote: We also solder the drain wire from the cable onto the RJ45 connector after we crimp it on. Key is to ensure you have a good ground from A to Z. On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:26 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I am using shielded cable and Pac POEs andd lost all 3 APs here a few weeks ago. On 8/3/09, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote: Try using shielded cable, and you won't have a problem. We're installed thousands in Colorado (second worst lightning in the country, next to Florida) and everytime we install without shielded cable-it's junk after a storm. We use shielded cable on ALL installs-customer installs as well. And the good grounded PacWireless POE injectors. With thousands in service, it's rare we get a lightning related service call. We justify the extra couple dollars in cable by saving the cost of truck rolls, replacement equipment, and unhappy customers. On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 6:10 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: Every 133 I used had a problem. Be it software, hardware, DOA, lightning, whatever. Out of dozens out there none survived and were replaced, necessarily, by a newer board. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:05 PM, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net wrote: Nothing that I have seen. Sure they were not repackaged by your vendor? And/or like I suggested overclocked. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of Forbes Mercy Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 6:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Defective Microtik Is anybody having problems with R433AH's Microtik cards
Re: [WISPA] WTB: MikroTik RB/411 with blown ethernet ports
On Mon, 2009-08-03 at 23:03 -0400, Blair Davis wrote: The switch is outside the shield, and if I cold find them, I could do it myself. but, if someone else is going to do them, I'll be a client I will look for it. -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://www.wispa.org/ * WISPA Board Member * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Defective Microtik
Same here, installation is key! We have 532s up for at least 4 years on one tower. Its 300 foot from a AM 1000watt hotstick. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Eje Gustafsson Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 10:31 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Defective Microtik It's a alu shield on it solder it to the connector or strip of some of the plastic and put a nice clamp with a ground wire to electrical ground. On one tower install that is what we did used coax 400 size ground kits. Shielded connectors as well. Not lost a single Ethernet port there for h 5 years. Kansas is up there in statistics of lightning strikes each year but nothing like Florida. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 10:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Defective Microtik So the superior essex cabling with no drain wire is no good? On 8/3/09, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote: The shield does just that - shield, i.e. from interference. The drain wire does just that - drains errant static buildup, etc. On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 9:08 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: Mmm so the recommended cable for PTP600, the superior essex bbdge or something, doesn't have this wire but is shielded. What's the purpose of the drain wire if the shielding and connectors are what's grounding? On 8/3/09, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: Yes, but in most shielded cable we get, the drain wire is just a bare, silver wire inside the cover like that one. If you aren't grounding that, you aren't really doing anything but wasting money on cable... :( Travis Josh Luthman wrote: *Face plant* Never heard of those before... I'm assuming the black wire in this picture is the drain wire? It doesn't drain water, but is conductive - is this right? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:FTP_cable3.jpg Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 10:39 PM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.comwrote: Uhm, if you use shielded cable, you must use shielded connectors. Using unshielded connectors, with shielded cable, is like having a 100' long lightning/static pickup cable that will drain right into your board. Shielded connectors, shielded cable, drain wire soldered on, into a good grounded POE injector == no problems for many years On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:36 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: You lost me - drain wire? Soldered onto a plastic rj45? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 10:27 PM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote: We also solder the drain wire from the cable onto the RJ45 connector after we crimp it on. Key is to ensure you have a good ground from A to Z. On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:26 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I am using shielded cable and Pac POEs andd lost all 3 APs here a few weeks ago. On 8/3/09, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote: Try using shielded cable, and you won't have a problem. We're installed thousands in Colorado (second worst lightning in the country, next to Florida) and everytime we install without shielded cable-it's junk after a storm. We use shielded cable on ALL installs-customer installs as well. And the good grounded PacWireless POE injectors. With thousands in service, it's rare we get a lightning related service call. We justify the extra couple dollars in cable by saving the cost of truck rolls, replacement equipment, and unhappy customers. On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 6:10 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: Every 133 I used had a problem. Be it software, hardware, DOA, lightning, whatever. Out of dozens out there none survived and were replaced, necessarily, by a newer board. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:05 PM, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net wrote: Nothing that I have seen. Sure they were not repackaged by your vendor?
