date:20061012


There still appear to be some outstanding dns issues...

Chris

Wichert Akkerman wrote:

Is something happening with svn.zope.org? I haven't been able to use
anonymous or authorized svn for two days.

Wichert.



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Re: [Zope-dev] svn.zope.org down?

2006-10-12 Thread Wichert Akkerman

Did svn.zope.org move to a new server? If so and if if someone knows the
new IP address I can stick it in my /etc/hosts for now.

Wichert.

Previously Chris Withers wrote:
 There still appear to be some outstanding dns issues...
 
 Chris
 
 Wichert Akkerman wrote:
 Is something happening with svn.zope.org? I haven't been able to use
 anonymous or authorized svn for two days.
 
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Re: [ZWeb] Re: [Zope-dev] svn.zope.org down?

2006-10-12 Thread Wichert Akkerman

I did a bit of checking: zope.org has a crazy number of DNS servers
and they are not all in sync. Particularly
seconly.rackspace.com (69.20.0.180) and cabana.palladion.com
(64.34.177.88) are not authorative for the zope.org domain and will just
refer back to the root servers.

This shows some obvious DNS problems:

[levante;~]-26 for i in 216.122.7.155 8.7.96.28 69.20.0.180
64.34.177.88 63.240.213.250 70.168.181.3 70.84.6.50 207.234.248.200 ; do
dig zope.org soa @$i ; done | grep SOA | grep -v '^;'
zope.org.   7200IN  SOA ns1.zoneedit.com.  
soacontact.zoneedit.com. 1159817268 14400 7200 950400 7200
zope.org.   7200IN  SOA ns1.zoneedit.com.  
soacontact.zoneedit.com. 1159817265 14400 7200 950400 7200
zope.org.   300 IN  SOA ns2.zope.com.  
postmaster.zope.com. 2006092901 300 300 300 150
zope.org.   300 IN  SOA ns2.zope.com.  
postmaster.zope.com. 2006092901 300 300 300 150
zope.org.   7200IN  SOA ns1.zoneedit.com.  
soacontact.zoneedit.com. 1159817261 14400 7200 950400 7200
zope.org.   7200IN  SOA ns1.zoneedit.com.  
soacontact.zoneedit.com. 1159817268 14400 7200 950400 7200

note how those answers differ wildly: there are four different versions
of the zope.org domain going around. This will not clear up
automatically: the domain registration, nameserver configuration and
zone files seem to be need some updating.

Wichert.

Previously Justizin wrote:
 Wichert -
 
 Use /etc/hosts.  Clear local DNS caches if you can.
 
  63.240.213.173 cvs.zope.org
 
 It resolves fine from the ten or so machines I can check it on, but
 that's only 0.1% or so of the internet.
 
 If you see something other than hosts which point at 63.240.213.1,
 please provide details.
 
 On 10/12/06, Chris Withers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 There still appear to be some outstanding dns issues...
 
 Chris
 
 Wichert Akkerman wrote:
  Is something happening with svn.zope.org? I haven't been able to use
  anonymous or authorized svn for two days.
 
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Re: [ZWeb] Re: [Zope-dev] svn.zope.org down?



On 12 Oct 2006, at 09:32, Wichert Akkerman wrote:


I did a bit of checking: zope.org has a crazy number of DNS servers
and they are not all in sync. Particularly
seconly.rackspace.com (69.20.0.180) and cabana.palladion.com
(64.34.177.88) are not authorative for the zope.org domain and will  
just

refer back to the root servers.

This shows some obvious DNS problems:


Just FYI, a nice tool to check DNS zone health through the web can  
be found here:


http://www.dnsreport.com/

Here's the output for the zope.org zone:

http://www.dnsreport.com/tools/dnsreport.ch?domain=zope.org

jens



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[Zope-dev] Cannot access Zope Management Interface through lighttpd proxy

2006-10-12 Thread yegor

I installed Plone 2.5 but it seems that the issue is Zope-related, so I'm
posting it here should I go for a different mailing list?)
When I access Zope Management Interface through lighttpd (proxy module) it does
not show up (wget, e.g. downloads 0 bytes). Relevant part of Lighttpd config:

url.rewrite-once = (
  ^/plone/(.*)$ =
/VirtualHostBase/http/rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu/VirtualHostRoot/_vh_plone/$1
)

proxy.server = (
  /VirtualHostBase = ( ( host = 127.0.0.1 , port = 8080 ) )
)
---
at the same time Plone's part is perfectly accessible.
Same problem remains even if I remove all the rewriting and simply forward (with
mod_proxy) all urls with /manage to port 8080

If I access port 8080 directly everything work just fine.

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Re: [Zope-dev] Cannot access Zope Management Interface through lighttpdproxy

- Original Message - 
From: yegor [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: zope-dev@zope.org
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 1:33 PM
Subject: [Zope-dev] Cannot access Zope Management Interface through 
lighttpdproxy

I installed Plone 2.5 but it seems that the issue is Zope-related, so I'm
posting it here should I go for a different mailing list?)
When I access Zope Management Interface through lighttpd (proxy module) it 
does
not show up (wget, e.g. downloads 0 bytes). Relevant part of Lighttpd 
config:

url.rewrite-once = (
 ^/plone/(.*)$ =
/VirtualHostBase/http/rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu/VirtualHostRoot/_vh_plone/$1
)

proxy.server = (
 /VirtualHostBase = ( ( host = 127.0.0.1 , port = 8080 ) )
)
---
at the same time Plone's part is perfectly accessible.
Same problem remains even if I remove all the rewriting and simply forward 
(with

mod_proxy) all urls with /manage to port 8080

If I access port 8080 directly everything work just fine.

Are there any hints in the lighttp accesslog or zope log files?

Jonathan

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Re: [Zope-dev] Cannot access Zope Management Interface through lighttpd proxy

2006-10-12 Thread Stefan H. Holek

I haven't used lighttpd but the below rewrite rules doesn't specify  
the port, it should.


Stefan


On 12. Okt 2006, at 19:33, yegor wrote:


url.rewrite-once = (
  ^/plone/(.*)$ =
/VirtualHostBase/http/rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu/VirtualHostRoot/ 
_vh_plone/$1

)


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[Zope-dev] Re: Cannot access Zope Management Interface through lighttpd proxy

2006-10-12 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen


yegor wrote:

I installed Plone 2.5 but it seems that the issue is Zope-related, so I'm
posting it here should I go for a different mailing list?)


I suggest using a Plone users mailinglist. This is definitely the wrong 
list, it's for the development OF Zope, not for the development WITH 
Zope. If you want general Zope-related advice, I suggest [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
But again, you might be better off with a Plone list.

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Re: [ZWeb] Re: [Zope-dev] svn.zope.org down?


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On 12 Oct 2006, at 09:36, Justizin wrote:


That record comes from zoneedit.com, noone should be using those
servers for lookups AFAIK because zoneedit.com is not authoritative
for the NS records.

These are slaves which have not coordinated with me to pull zones.  I
told Rob not to put them in the registrar update, but neglected to
remove them from ZoneEdit.

Look at a WHOIS and check those nameservers, they should all be  
kosher.


Well, ns.qutang.net doesn't seem to be kosher, it reports .171  
instead of .173:


tiny:~/Desktop/ZC jens$ dig @ns.qutang.net cvs.zope.org

;  DiG 9.2.2  @ns.qutang.net cvs.zope.org
;; global options:  printcmd
;; Got answer:
;; -HEADER- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 36527
;; flags: qr aa rd; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 6, ADDITIONAL: 1

;; QUESTION SECTION:
;cvs.zope.org.  IN  A

;; ANSWER SECTION:
cvs.zope.org.   7200IN  A   63.240.213.171

;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
zope.org.   7200IN  NS  ns1.zoneedit.com.
zope.org.   7200IN  NS  ns7.zoneedit.com.
zope.org.   7200IN  NS  cabana.palladion.com.
zope.org.   7200IN  NS  ns.qutang.net.
zope.org.   7200IN  NS  ns1.dataflake.org.
zope.org.   7200IN  NS  seconly.rackspace.com.

;; ADDITIONAL SECTION:
ns.qutang.net.  7200IN  A   70.84.6.50

;; Query time: 166 msec
;; SERVER: 70.84.6.50#53(ns.qutang.net)
;; WHEN: Thu Oct 12 13:43:27 2006
;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 228

jens


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Re: [Zope-dev] Cannot access Zope Management Interface through lighttpdproxy

snip
- Original Message - 
From: Yegor Bryukhov

To: Jonathan
Cc: zope-dev@zope.org
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 4:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Zope-dev] Cannot access Zope Management Interface through 
lighttpdproxy

unsuccessful access to Zope Management Interface from inside the campus:

127.0.0.1 - Anonymous [12/Oct/2006:16:10:37 -0400] GET /manage HTTP/1.0 
401 583  Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv: 1.8.0.7) 
Gecko/20060913 Fedora/1.5.0.7-1.fc5 Firefox/1.5.0.7 pango-text

/snip

I am just guessing (i don't use lighttpd), but it looks like your 
proxy/rewriting is not set up correctly:

...GET /manage HTTP/1.0 401 583  Mozilla/5.0...

The set of double quotes before Mozilla... should contain the URL to the 
ZMI. Here is an extract from one of  my Z2.log files:

127.0.0.1 - admin [12/Oct/2006:16:29:04 -0400] GET 
/VirtualHostBase/http/mgr.xxx.net:80/VirtualHostRoot/misc_/SiteAccess/VirtualHostMonster.gif 
HTTP/1.1 304 254 http://mgr.xxx.net/manage_main; Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; 
MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1)

Maybe you will get a more informed response on the lighttpd list!

Jonathan

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Re: [Zope-dev] Cannot access Zope Management Interface through lighttpdproxy

2006-10-12 Thread Yegor Bryukhov

With default settings - no.with proxy.debug=65000 lighttpd says:2006-10-12 14:34:18: (mod_proxy.c.1079) proxy - start2006-10-12 14:34:18: (mod_proxy.c.1115) proxy - ext found2006-10-12 14:34:18: (mod_proxy.c.1158) proxy - used fair balancing
2006-10-12 14:34:18: (mod_proxy.c.1239) proxy - found a host 127.0.0.1 80802006-10-12 14:34:18: (mod_proxy.c.377) connect delayed: 72006-10-12 14:34:18: (mod_proxy.c.993) proxy: fdevent-out 1
2006-10-12 14:34:18: (mod_proxy.c.804) proxy - connect - delayed success2006-10-12 14:34:18: (mod_proxy.c.960) proxy: fdevent-in 42006-10-12 14:34:18: (mod_proxy.c.645) proxy - have to read: 5832006-10-12 14:34:18: (mod_proxy.c.960) proxy: fdevent-in 4
2006-10-12 14:34:18: (mod_proxy.c.645) proxy - have to read: 0which looks similar to successful redirects
I also attempted to set Zope to debug mode by setting Z_DEBUG_MODE to 1 because I could not find a way to pass -D option to Zope in Plone's startup scriptsIt didn't show any new information either.Setting debug_mode in 
zope.conf (Plone's ?) didn't help either.Are there any hints in the lighttp accesslog or zope log files?
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Re: [Zope-dev] Cannot access Zope Management Interface through lighttpdproxy




If there are no matching entries in the 
.../log/Z2.log file then the request is not getting passed to zope, which would 
appear to indicate that the lighttpdproxy/rewriting is not set up 
correctly.


Jonathan


  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Yegor Bryukhov 
  To: Jonathan 
  Cc: zope-dev@zope.org 
  Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 3:43 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [Zope-dev] Cannot access 
  Zope Management Interface through lighttpdproxy
  With default settings - no.with proxy.debug=65000 
  lighttpd says:2006-10-12 14:34:18: (mod_proxy.c.1079) proxy - 
  start2006-10-12 14:34:18: (mod_proxy.c.1115) proxy - ext 
  found2006-10-12 14:34:18: (mod_proxy.c.1158) proxy - used fair balancing 
  2006-10-12 14:34:18: (mod_proxy.c.1239) proxy - found a host 127.0.0.1 80802006-10-12 14:34:18: 
  (mod_proxy.c.377) connect delayed: 72006-10-12 14:34:18: (mod_proxy.c.993) 
  proxy: fdevent-out 1 2006-10-12 14:34:18: (mod_proxy.c.804) proxy - 
  connect - delayed success2006-10-12 14:34:18: (mod_proxy.c.960) proxy: 
  fdevent-in 42006-10-12 14:34:18: (mod_proxy.c.645) proxy - have to read: 
  5832006-10-12 14:34:18: (mod_proxy.c.960) proxy: fdevent-in 4 
  2006-10-12 14:34:18: (mod_proxy.c.645) proxy - have to read: 
  0which looks similar to successful redirectsI also attempted 
  to set Zope to debug mode by setting Z_DEBUG_MODE to 1 because I could not 
  find a way to pass -D option to Zope in Plone's startup scriptsIt didn't 
  show any new information either.Setting debug_mode in zope.conf (Plone's 
  ?) didn't help either.
  
  Are 
there any hints in the lighttp accesslog or zope log files? 
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[ZWeb] [Fwd: [Zope] http://svn.zope.org and http://cvs.zope.org]


Looks like DNS is still fubar'ed here in europe...

I get the same experience as this user...

C:\nslookup svn.zope.org

Non-authoritative answer:
Name:svn.zope.org
Address:  63.240.213.171

cheers,

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Re: [ZWeb] DNS still fishy?


On 10/12/06, Jens Vagelpohl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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On 12 Oct 2006, at 08:57, Justizin wrote:
 Anyway, everything except these hosts need to be removed from the
 rotation:

  ns1.zoneedit.com
  ns7.zoneedit.com
  ns.qutang.net
  ns*.zope.com

Then I suggest you do that and end the current confusion in regards
to which server does what (and which server even has the correct data).



 (a) I don't control the actual registrar records

 (b) Yes, these were listed in the zone itself as the NS, but noone
should be doing lookups via these servers, because ZoneEdit is not
authoritative for the NS records of this zone, the registrar is.

I've removed them, but I politely request that you stop being an
asshole unless you want to wear this hat yourself.

I'm sick, I was stranded in the middle of nowhere when this change
took place, and I was rushed.

It's all of our fault.  Don't make me come over there.



 I'd love to see more backups once they have copies of the zone.  If
 you want to grab a copy of the zone, you'll have to transfer manually
 from ns1.zoneedit.com or ns7.zoneedit.com, from one of these IP
 addresses:

No you don't. Setting a machine up as a slave, in that terrible bind-
centric world, will cause it to pull the data automatically.



ZoneEdit apparently does not run BIND, or at least does not send
NOTIFY requests.

I don't know what you want me to do.



 Three nameservers is fine for now.  Eight would be far better.

I still don't understand why we would need that many...  but I don't
want to discuss this any further. Matter of fact, since zoneedit does
not support NOTIFY it is probably a bad thing to even have my server
on the list. I suggest you limit the official servers to the ones you
mentioned, the zoneedit/qutang/zope.com hosts until NOTIFY is working.

jens



You don't understand because you're an idiot, Jens, and you've never
guaranteed 100% uptime.

I was basically shut up by your whining when I tried to explain all of
the precautions we should take in order to avoid what happened to
zope.org this week.

I won't respond to demands that I rush ever again.

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Re: [ZWeb] DNS still fishy?


Justizin wrote:
I'd love to see more backups once they have copies of the zone. 


Why? zope.org has happily lived off two nameservers for years and years...

All of a sudden, we need to have more backups, the upshot of which has 
been people in europe getting served bad dns from ns.qutang.net :-(


What's wrong with just having ns1.zoneedit.com and ns7.zoneedit.com 
(could we also use ns(2-6).zoneedit.com?) and be done with it?


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On 12 Oct 2006, at 09:15, Justizin wrote:

 (a) I don't control the actual registrar records

 (b) Yes, these were listed in the zone itself as the NS, but noone
should be doing lookups via these servers, because ZoneEdit is not
authoritative for the NS records of this zone, the registrar is.


To stay strictly on technical issues, I think you're constantly  
implying that the DNS servers for the zope.org zone that are listed  
by the registrar are not the same as the DNS servers the zone data  
itself contains. Can you explain why this discrepancy exists, or why  
it makes sense?




 I'd love to see more backups once they have copies of the zone.  If
 you want to grab a copy of the zone, you'll have to transfer  
manually

 from ns1.zoneedit.com or ns7.zoneedit.com, from one of these IP
 addresses:

No you don't. Setting a machine up as a slave, in that terrible bind-
centric world, will cause it to pull the data automatically.



ZoneEdit apparently does not run BIND, or at least does not send
NOTIFY requests.

I don't know what you want me to do.


Nothing. I am describing the situation where you have a bind slave  
and you are configuring a slave zone for the first time. At that  
moment you don't have to manually pull the zone data, bind will  
magically fetch it. This was a hint for people who might want to set  
up a slave.


jens



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Re: [ZWeb] DNS still fishy?


Jens Vagelpohl wrote:
It makes sense to have name servers in different physical locations and 
on different networks in case one provider runs into trouble. The point 
of contention is the number of slaves.


Right, which brings me back to my other point: why, when 2 server have 
been fine for about a decade, do we need to change now?


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Re: [ZWeb] DNS still fishy?


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On 12 Oct 2006, at 09:20, Chris Withers wrote:


Justizin wrote:

I'd love to see more backups once they have copies of the zone.


Why? zope.org has happily lived off two nameservers for years and  
years...


All of a sudden, we need to have more backups, the upshot of  
which has been people in europe getting served bad dns from  
ns.qutang.net :-(


What's wrong with just having ns1.zoneedit.com and ns7.zoneedit.com  
(could we also use ns(2-6).zoneedit.com?) and be done with it?


It makes sense to have name servers in different physical locations  
and on different networks in case one provider runs into trouble. The  
point of contention is the number of slaves.


jens


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Re: [ZWeb] DNS still fishy?


On 10/12/06, Chris Withers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Justizin wrote:
 I'd love to see more backups once they have copies of the zone.

Why? zope.org has happily lived off two nameservers for years and years...

All of a sudden, we need to have more backups, the upshot of which has
been people in europe getting served bad dns from ns.qutang.net :-(


This is a logical fallacy.  Services were not unavailable because we
have more than two nameservers, services were unavailable because we
rushed.

ns.qutang.net did not serve any bad dns that ns*.zoneedit.com were not
serving.  The errors were in ZoneEdit's copy of the Zone.

I was thinking just now over a smoke about someone I used to work with
at Rackspace, the datacenter engineer.  Bob was a member of the NASA
Challenge Safety Team.  He personally recommended against launching
the Challenger, which exploded, killing some astronauts.

I learned from working with him that you should never tell someone
with more experience to be less cautious.


What's wrong with just having ns1.zoneedit.com and ns7.zoneedit.com
(could we also use ns(2-6).zoneedit.com?) and be done with it?


We can only use the nameservers that zoneedit allocates us.

Yanno, people used to pay $75 per half hour for this expertise.

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[ZWeb] Re: [Zope-dev] svn.zope.org down?


There still appear to be some outstanding dns issues...

Chris

Wichert Akkerman wrote:

Is something happening with svn.zope.org? I haven't been able to use
anonymous or authorized svn for two days.

Wichert.



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Re: [ZWeb] Re: [Zope-dev] svn.zope.org down?


Wichert -

Use /etc/hosts.  Clear local DNS caches if you can.

 63.240.213.173 cvs.zope.org

It resolves fine from the ten or so machines I can check it on, but
that's only 0.1% or so of the internet.

If you see something other than hosts which point at 63.240.213.1,
please provide details.

On 10/12/06, Chris Withers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

There still appear to be some outstanding dns issues...

Chris

Wichert Akkerman wrote:
 Is something happening with svn.zope.org? I haven't been able to use
 anonymous or authorized svn for two days.

 Wichert.


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Re: [ZWeb] Re: [Zope-dev] svn.zope.org down?


That record comes from zoneedit.com, noone should be using those
servers for lookups AFAIK because zoneedit.com is not authoritative
for the NS records.

These are slaves which have not coordinated with me to pull zones.  I
told Rob not to put them in the registrar update, but neglected to
remove them from ZoneEdit.

Look at a WHOIS and check those nameservers, they should all be kosher.

On 10/12/06, Wichert Akkerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I did a bit of checking: zope.org has a crazy number of DNS servers
and they are not all in sync. Particularly
seconly.rackspace.com (69.20.0.180) and cabana.palladion.com
(64.34.177.88) are not authorative for the zope.org domain and will just
refer back to the root servers.

This shows some obvious DNS problems:

[levante;~]-26 for i in 216.122.7.155 8.7.96.28 69.20.0.180
64.34.177.88 63.240.213.250 70.168.181.3 70.84.6.50 207.234.248.200 ; do
dig zope.org soa @$i ; done | grep SOA | grep -v '^;'
zope.org.   7200IN  SOA ns1.zoneedit.com.  
soacontact.zoneedit.com. 1159817268 14400 7200 950400 7200
zope.org.   7200IN  SOA ns1.zoneedit.com.  
soacontact.zoneedit.com. 1159817265 14400 7200 950400 7200
zope.org.   300 IN  SOA ns2.zope.com.  
postmaster.zope.com. 2006092901 300 300 300 150
zope.org.   300 IN  SOA ns2.zope.com.  
postmaster.zope.com. 2006092901 300 300 300 150
zope.org.   7200IN  SOA ns1.zoneedit.com.  
soacontact.zoneedit.com. 1159817261 14400 7200 950400 7200
zope.org.   7200IN  SOA ns1.zoneedit.com.  
soacontact.zoneedit.com. 1159817268 14400 7200 950400 7200

note how those answers differ wildly: there are four different versions
of the zope.org domain going around. This will not clear up
automatically: the domain registration, nameserver configuration and
zone files seem to be need some updating.

Wichert.

Previously Justizin wrote:
 Wichert -

 Use /etc/hosts.  Clear local DNS caches if you can.

  63.240.213.173 cvs.zope.org

 It resolves fine from the ten or so machines I can check it on, but
 that's only 0.1% or so of the internet.

 If you see something other than hosts which point at 63.240.213.1,
 please provide details.

 On 10/12/06, Chris Withers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 There still appear to be some outstanding dns issues...
 
 Chris
 
 Wichert Akkerman wrote:
  Is something happening with svn.zope.org? I haven't been able to use
  anonymous or authorized svn for two days.
 
  Wichert.
 
 
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Re: [ZWeb] DNS still fishy?

2006-10-12 Thread Lennart Regebro


Just a couple of notes here.

Although zoneedit has been running fine for me for years without a
single problem, obviously it would be nice with some backup.
Preferably something with another ISP and located on like another
continent or something. Two of these backups would be even better.

But honestly, compare the likelyhood that all three of these would
fail at one time, together with the increasing likelyhood than one
server of them is misconfigured and starts disturbing the usage for a
minor part of the users, then we will quickly realize that the more
backups and failsafes we have the larger the likelyhood that something
of this will go wrong.

8 servers seems to be to be a complete overkill, and it will only
cause problems. I will change my mind on this the time all zone-edit
servers stop working at the same time as two of the backups fail.

Don't overcomplicate things. It just makes them fail.
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Re: [ZWeb] DNS still fishy?


On 10/12/06, Jens Vagelpohl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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On 12 Oct 2006, at 09:15, Justizin wrote:
  (a) I don't control the actual registrar records

  (b) Yes, these were listed in the zone itself as the NS, but noone
 should be doing lookups via these servers, because ZoneEdit is not
 authoritative for the NS records of this zone, the registrar is.

To stay strictly on technical issues, I think you're constantly
implying that the DNS servers for the zope.org zone that are listed
by the registrar are not the same as the DNS servers the zone data
itself contains. Can you explain why this discrepancy exists, or why
it makes sense?



I prepared a copy of the zone in ZoneEdit with small changes to
reflect the plans for a new configuration, including new nameservers.

I pulled the zone into ns.qutang.net early last week and sent out an
e-mail which, surely, was just lost in the white noise.  oh well.

so, because we wanted to start modifying the zone really soon, i told
rob page to change the registrar to point at:

 ns1.zoneedit.com
 ns7.zoneedit.com
 ns.qutang.net

These nameservers all had the same data, including the same incorrect
records.  FWIW, three records with the same IP address went sour:

 www.zope.org
 cvs.zope.org
 zope.org

This is curious, because I recall making an effort to individually
copy each record from the zone file that Rob sent me, to avoid just
this sort of mistake.

whatever, these records pointed at .1 instead of .171



Nothing. I am describing the situation where you have a bind slave
and you are configuring a slave zone for the first time. At that
moment you don't have to manually pull the zone data, bind will
magically fetch it. This was a hint for people who might want to set
up a slave.



Handy.

I am writing a how-to for making djbdns comply with both ends of the
NOTIFY chain.  There are a bunch of tools for this, very simple
djb-ish stuff, but nothing is part of the package.

If someone running BIND wants to pull from zoneedit and send the rest
of us NOTIFY requests when a change is detected, we can pretty much do
that now.  I should be set up to respond to NOTIFY.  I have to add
something into the tinydns-data chain which enacts changes to live
configuration so that it spurs a NOTIFY to slaves.

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Re: [ZWeb] DNS still fishy?


On 10/12/06, Lennart Regebro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Just a couple of notes here.

Although zoneedit has been running fine for me for years without a
single problem, obviously it would be nice with some backup.
Preferably something with another ISP and located on like another
continent or something. Two of these backups would be even better.

But honestly, compare the likelyhood that all three of these would
fail at one time, together with the increasing likelyhood than one
server of them is misconfigured and starts disturbing the usage for a
minor part of the users, then we will quickly realize that the more
backups and failsafes we have the larger the likelyhood that something
of this will go wrong.


the worst that happens is that some changes fail to propogate.
changes to DNS should always be approached with the assumption that
this will happen.  What's worse is for there to be no copy of a zone
available.

It should never be necessary for an A record to change immediately,
because this cannot be relied upon.  The best defense to this is,
however, to set TTLs at 300s, or 5 minutes, about a week in advance.


8 servers seems to be to be a complete overkill, and it will only
cause problems. I will change my mind on this the time all zone-edit
servers stop working at the same time as two of the backups fail.


It could cause problems, and that's why we aren't really using eight
servers right now, but it should not cause problems.  It is a
challenge, also, that our DNS is not hosted in the same location as
the website.  So, it's possible that DNS will be unreachable when an
outage occurs, i.e. a fibre being cut in the middle of the ocean, and
this outage may not actually affect our site.

I bet ten bucks if we rely entirely on zoneedit's nameservers that
this will happen once for at least twelve hours for some significant
region of the world within the next year.


Don't overcomplicate things. It just makes them fail.


This assumption really has nothing to do with what happened this week.

What happened this week was either:

 (a) a typo

 (b) an erroneously truncated string

If there were only two nameservers, they would have pointed at the
wrong IP, and the site would have been perceptually unavailable for a
few hours to two days for various people.  If there were eight, the
same would happen, for about the same time frame.

So, if you want to only use two nameservers, that's okay with me.
Remember to wake me up when the zone is unreachable for someone and we
want to run more. :)

I always assume, if anything, that some machines, network connections,
disk drives, etc.. will invariably fail, and that you can never have
too many if they are available.  I like the idea of a group of zope
community members collectively providing DNS service.  Maybe we should
even talk about running multiple copies of the flat content in
different places.  If my site goes down, esp if one of my machines
fail, I much prefer to feel comfortable that I can reach zope.org than
rely on the possibility that i might have copies of recent releases in
another location.  if i'm going to keep copies of the releases around
for myself, might as well mirror them, eh?

While having a set of servers configured by various people sounds as
if it would be overcomplicated, with proper planning and coordination,
we should be able to keep it simple.

When making changes to DNS, always assume that for 48 hours there will
be between a 90-10 and 10-90 split between people who have your new
records and people who have old records.  When changing nameservers,
double or triple this, because some people will have cached records
from the old nameserver *and* more recently cached NS records, so they
may continue querying the old nameserver until the cached NS record
itself expires.

When something critical like svn/cvs or the main website need to be
changed, again, it is necessary to drop the TTL, on the entire zone,
even, to something really short like 300s about a week in advance.
This ensures that everyone in the world has a copy of the zone which
says: no copy of this zone and no records in this zone are good for
longer than five minutes..  Just before a switch is made, you can
proxy the old front-end apache server to the new host explicitly, and
then update records.  for five or ten minutes some people's requests
will be slow because they are possibly doubling-back across the
internet, but at least they can't really tell what's going on, just
that for a few minutes it is a 'little bit slow'.

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Re: [ZWeb] DNS still fishy?


On 10/12/06, Lennart Regebro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On 10/12/06, Justizin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 It could cause problems, and that's why we aren't really using eight
 servers right now, but it should not cause problems.

Servers should not fail. This should not cause problems. But in
reality, it will.



Servers failing will not cause problems, the only real risk would be tampering.

The reason for having many servers is to protect against failure.


 It is a
 challenge, also, that our DNS is not hosted in the same location as
 the website.  So, it's possible that DNS will be unreachable when an
 outage occurs, i.e. a fibre being cut in the middle of the ocean, and
 this outage may not actually affect our site.

Which is why one or two backups on another continent is nice to have.



Three or more is best.


  Don't overcomplicate things. It just makes them fail.

 This assumption really has nothing to do with what happened this week.

I'm not convinced.



Then take over, Lennart.  I do not care.

You don't have to be convinced.  Explain to me how this problem is
related to the outage, which was as simple as this:

 records served by three of five nameservers were incorrect.  the
other two were zope.com nameservers, and they don't delegate to
zoneedit afaik.


 So, if you want to only use two nameservers, that's okay with me.

Please respons to what I write, and argue against what I argue,
instead of making up arguments against things I have never said. I,
explicitly in my last mail, said that one or two backups on other
continents would be necssary, but that the previously mentioned
*eight* backups would cause more problems than they solve.


You said you don't understand why we don't just use zoneedit.

What makes four servers less failure prone than eight, so long as they
all agree that zoneedit is in charge.


If you don't agree with this, you are welcome to explain to me why.
But do NOT argue against me by implying that I have said something
stupid, which I never said.


Oh whatever.

Look, I'm sick of this conversation.  I did a better job than anyone
else in the conversation would have, and problems happened because we
spent a week on something that we should have spent 2-4 weeks on.  We
learned something.

I think the real issue is that we ran into a problem, which I tried
hard to avoid, and people are still arguing that I am proposing to
take too many precautions.

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Re: [ZWeb] DNS still fishy?


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On 12 Oct 2006, at 10:05, Lennart Regebro wrote:

But honestly, compare the likelyhood that all three of these would
fail at one time, together with the increasing likelyhood than one
server of them is misconfigured and starts disturbing the usage for a
minor part of the users, then we will quickly realize that the more
backups and failsafes we have the larger the likelyhood that something
of this will go wrong.

8 servers seems to be to be a complete overkill, and it will only
cause problems. I will change my mind on this the time all zone-edit
servers stop working at the same time as two of the backups fail.

Don't overcomplicate things. It just makes them fail.


Exactly.

We are not building a carrier-grade solution here because, as the  
programmer idiom goes, it is YAGNI (you ain't gonna need it).


Keeping a carrier-grade solution running correctly is always more  
effort than keeping the simple solution up. There's a diminishing  
return between upkeep/effort/maintenance/script-writing and oops,  
DNS is gone for an hour. I seriously don't see the added value.


jens


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[ZWeb] Apache config for lists.zope.org/mail.zope.org fubar?


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Going to lists.zope.org and mail.zope.org used to bring up the  
Mailman pages for the mailing lists. Now I see the buildbot web  
output. Something done got broke.


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Re: [ZWeb] DNS still fishy?

2006-10-12 Thread Lennart Regebro


On 10/12/06, Justizin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Servers failing will not cause problems, the only real risk would be tampering.


I was unclear, sorry.

What I ment to say is that things go wrong. Your statement this
should not cause problems, is equivalent to servers will not fail
and my point then was that in that case we can run with one server and
be done with it.

The reality is that servers fail. The reality is also that complex
setups cause problems, no matter that they shouldn't.


The reason for having many servers is to protect against failure.


With increasing number of servers you get better protection against
failure. But the  increasing protection you get gets less and less
with each server. At the same time, configuration weirdness and other
stuff is likely to INCREASE the error rate the more backups you have,
because of Murphys law and other stuff.

At one point, this increase in problems will overwhelm the increase in
protection.

I would also like to claim that this crossover point is nowehere near
the previously mentioned number of eight servers, but rather closer
two have one or two backups on another continent.

Some maths:

Say that a server fails one day per month in average (which is way
more than we really will have). One backup server located on anotehr
continent then means that we will statistically have DNS outage only
one day in 900. Thats one day every three years. Two backups located
on different continents will give us a failure rate of one day per
27000 days. That's one day every seventy-fifth year.

How would five-six increasing backup servers in any reasonable way
actually increase that realiability? It wouldn't, because for every
server you add, you increase the risk of something going wrong. That's
probably not an exponential risk, but I'm pretty sure somebody
somewhere will fuck something up more often than every seventy-fifth
year, so I don't actually think that having more than two backups on
different continents is gonna increase realiability.


Three or more is best.


If you talk about total number of DNS servers, then I agree.
Two at zoneedit, one or two more somewhere else.


Then take over, Lennart.  I do not care.


Oh, you do care, because you get angry-


You said you don't understand why we don't just use zoneedit.


No. I have never said anything like that. Please read what I say, and
answer that. I have been discussing politics on the internet for 15
years, and one thing I have learned is to completely stop any
discussion when you get accused of an opinion you don't have because
constructive discussion have at that point failed.

Please read my emails, and answer they things I said, not the things I
did not say.


What makes four servers less failure prone than eight, so long as they
all agree that zoneedit is in charge.


I think that is a pretty obvious question. The more things you have
the more things will fail.


Look, I'm sick of this conversation.  I did a better job than anyone
else in the conversation would have, and problems happened because we
spent a week on something that we should have spent 2-4 weeks on.  We
learned something.


That is quite possible. I am not claiming you did a bad job. I have
never said I would do a better job. I don't complain, whine or say you
are stupid. I'm say one simple thing:

Having eight servers is overkill and cause more problems than it solves.

Please discuss this instead of trying to make this be about some sort
of personal issue. It is not. You are a professional.  I am a
professional.  Lets please all behave like it.

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Re: [ZWeb] DNS still fishy?

2006-10-12 Thread Andrew Sawyers

FYI, there's a problem with your host Justizin:

 server ns1.zoneedit.com
Default server: ns1.zoneedit.com
Address: 207.234.248.200#53
 cvs.zope.org
Server: ns1.zoneedit.com
Address:207.234.248.200#53

Name:   cvs.zope.org
Address: 63.240.213.173
 server ns.qutang.net
Default server: ns.qutang.net
Address: 70.84.6.50#53
 cvs.zope.org
Server: ns.qutang.net
Address:70.84.6.50#53

Name:   cvs.zope.org
Address: 63.240.213.171
 


In my opinion, the registrar should only have zoneedit.com servers in it for
the time being.

Andrew 


On 10/12/06 11:02 AM, Justizin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On 10/12/06, Lennart Regebro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Just a couple of notes here.
 
 Although zoneedit has been running fine for me for years without a
 single problem, obviously it would be nice with some backup.
 Preferably something with another ISP and located on like another
 continent or something. Two of these backups would be even better.
 
 But honestly, compare the likelyhood that all three of these would
 fail at one time, together with the increasing likelyhood than one
 server of them is misconfigured and starts disturbing the usage for a
 minor part of the users, then we will quickly realize that the more
 backups and failsafes we have the larger the likelyhood that something
 of this will go wrong.
 
 the worst that happens is that some changes fail to propogate.
 changes to DNS should always be approached with the assumption that
 this will happen.  What's worse is for there to be no copy of a zone
 available.
 
 It should never be necessary for an A record to change immediately,
 because this cannot be relied upon.  The best defense to this is,
 however, to set TTLs at 300s, or 5 minutes, about a week in advance.
 
 8 servers seems to be to be a complete overkill, and it will only
 cause problems. I will change my mind on this the time all zone-edit
 servers stop working at the same time as two of the backups fail.
 
 It could cause problems, and that's why we aren't really using eight
 servers right now, but it should not cause problems.  It is a
 challenge, also, that our DNS is not hosted in the same location as
 the website.  So, it's possible that DNS will be unreachable when an
 outage occurs, i.e. a fibre being cut in the middle of the ocean, and
 this outage may not actually affect our site.
 
 I bet ten bucks if we rely entirely on zoneedit's nameservers that
 this will happen once for at least twelve hours for some significant
 region of the world within the next year.
 
 Don't overcomplicate things. It just makes them fail.
 
 This assumption really has nothing to do with what happened this week.
 
 What happened this week was either:
 
   (a) a typo
 
   (b) an erroneously truncated string
 
 If there were only two nameservers, they would have pointed at the
 wrong IP, and the site would have been perceptually unavailable for a
 few hours to two days for various people.  If there were eight, the
 same would happen, for about the same time frame.
 
 So, if you want to only use two nameservers, that's okay with me.
 Remember to wake me up when the zone is unreachable for someone and we
 want to run more. :)
 
 I always assume, if anything, that some machines, network connections,
 disk drives, etc.. will invariably fail, and that you can never have
 too many if they are available.  I like the idea of a group of zope
 community members collectively providing DNS service.  Maybe we should
 even talk about running multiple copies of the flat content in
 different places.  If my site goes down, esp if one of my machines
 fail, I much prefer to feel comfortable that I can reach zope.org than
 rely on the possibility that i might have copies of recent releases in
 another location.  if i'm going to keep copies of the releases around
 for myself, might as well mirror them, eh?
 
 While having a set of servers configured by various people sounds as
 if it would be overcomplicated, with proper planning and coordination,
 we should be able to keep it simple.
 
 When making changes to DNS, always assume that for 48 hours there will
 be between a 90-10 and 10-90 split between people who have your new
 records and people who have old records.  When changing nameservers,
 double or triple this, because some people will have cached records
 from the old nameserver *and* more recently cached NS records, so they
 may continue querying the old nameserver until the cached NS record
 itself expires.
 
 When something critical like svn/cvs or the main website need to be
 changed, again, it is necessary to drop the TTL, on the entire zone,
 even, to something really short like 300s about a week in advance.
 This ensures that everyone in the world has a copy of the zone which
 says: no copy of this zone and no records in this zone are good for
 longer than five minutes..  Just before a switch is made, you can
 proxy the old front-end apache server to the new host explicitly, and
 then

Re: [ZWeb] DNS still fishy?

2006-10-12 Thread Andrew Sawyers

Can we have only zoneedit as the registered nameservers?  3 out of the 5
listed name servers at the registrar are wrong.  We need this fixed ASAP.


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RE: [Zope] How can I store session data to db on login/logoff events ?

2006-10-12 Thread Pletli Antal

Thanks Dieter, it's work.
 
But i have a problem with this:
 
When I ran the test python script (see below) in Zope or I called the
url directly from the browser , I got an error: 

Error Type: KeyError
Error Value: 'SESSION'



# Python test script ###
 
from Products.PythonScripts.standard import html_quote
request = context.REQUEST
RESPONSE =  request.RESPONSE
session = request.SESSION
session.set('VAR',99)


This is the simple external event handler script
 
 
 external module to catch session changes
###
def onSessionStart(item, container):
 
from logging import getLogger
 
request = container.REQUEST
 
user = request.AUTHENTICATED_USER.getUserName()
 
LOG = getLogger('DEMO')
session = request.SESSION
 
LOG.info( Item data: %s % item )
LOG.info( Request data: %s % request )
LOG.info( Session data: %s % session )

 
And in the event.log I can see this error:

# event.log ###
 
2006-10-12T06:31:30 INFO DEMO Item data: id: 11606310900239978636,
token: 88659718A2jNi4M24hE, content keys: []
--
2006-10-12T06:31:30 INFO DEMO Request data: h3form
(..)
thAUTHENTICATED_USER/thtdlt;SpecialUser 'Anonymous
User'gt;/td/trtr valign=top align=leftth
(...)
SESSION/thtdid: 1160631090023997863
6, token: 88659718A2jNi4M24hE, content keys: []/td/trtr
valign=top align=leftth
(...)
--
2006-10-12T06:31:30 INFO DEMO Session data: id: 11606310900239978636,
token: 88659718A2jNi4M24hE, content keys: []
--
2006-10-12T06:31:30 ERROR Zope.SiteErrorLog
http://xxx.xx.xxx.xxx:8080/startdemo/test
Traceback (innermost last):
  Module ZPublisher.Publish, line 115, in publish
  Module ZPublisher.mapply, line 88, in mapply
  Module ZPublisher.Publish, line 41, in call_object
  Module Shared.DC.Scripts.Bindings, line 313, in __call__
  Module Shared.DC.Scripts.Bindings, line 350, in _bindAndExec
  Module Products.PythonScripts.PythonScript, line 326, in _exec
  Module None, line 5, in test
   - PythonScript at /startdemo/test
   - Line 5
  Module ZPublisher.HTTPRequest, line 1231, in __getattr__
  Module ZPublisher.HTTPRequest, line 1182, in get
KeyError: 'SESSION'


What do I wrong?


-Original Message-
From: Dieter Maurer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 8:43 PM
To: Pletli Antal
Cc: zope@zope.org
Subject: Re: [Zope] How can I store session data to db on login/logoff
events ?

Pletli Antal wrote at 2006-10-11 15:19 +0200:
 ...
How can I retrieve the user SESSION data when the items are created or 
deleted from the transient object container?

The Transient Object Container (that's the session container) has too
scripts for this. You configure them in Zope's configuration file.



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Re: [Zope] Zope 2 for Windows

2006-10-12 Thread Philip Kilner

Michael,

michael nt milne wrote:
 ignorant thinking. Most businesses use Windows and Zope will suffer
 unless it is embraced.
 

Volunteer to look after Windows if you want to fix this, but do not
insult those who have volunteered to look after other platforms.

Re-read what Andreas said (there is no current maintainer, we do not
have a volunteer, in essence) and what you said (ignorant thinking),
and see if you can spot your mistake - you are attacking Andreas for not
taking ownership of a platform he does /not/ use, in the context of his
work to look after a platform he /does/ use.

You really do need to stop shooting from the hip.


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Re: [Zope] Zope 2 for Windows


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On 11 Oct 2006, at 17:14, michael nt milne wrote:



The windows builds will be available as soon as someone volunteer to care
about the Windows platform.



ignorant thinking. Most businesses use Windows and Zope will suffer 
unless it is embraced.


Who do you think you are insulting people who actually invest a lot of 
their spare time in the software and in the community? You being an 
annoying troll is helping no one, and it certainly won't get Windows 
builds done.


Haha, just add him to your email blacklist, saves a lot of trouble ;-)

For the record, the releases are not available because no-one is capable 
rather than motivated to produce them.


Having built a couple, Windows releases are a royal PITA even if 
everything goes smoothly...


Now Michael, unless you're prepared to build these releases yourself, I 
less than politely suggest you STFU...


Chris

PS: For the non-trolls on this list, I believe Sidnei da Silva is 
thinking about taking up this painful task... send him beer/love/money 
and he might be further persuaded...


PPS: We all might also like to thank Tim Peters for doing such a good 
job of building Windows releases in the past that no-one noticed the 
delay between the source and binary release...

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Re: [Zope] Sending XML straight down to a zope


Peter Bengtsson wrote:

xml_content = open('validxmlfile.xml').read()
http = httplib.HTTP(localhost, 8080)
http.putrequest(POST, /uploadExpenseXML)


That's not really a valid transaction...

My guess is you should be encoding this as a posted file (ie: as if 
you'd used an input type=file/) and then process the file on the 
server...


cheers,

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[Zope] Re: Zope 2 for Windows

2006-10-12 Thread Maik Ihde


 Volunteer to look after Windows if you want to fix this, but do not
 insult those who have volunteered to look after other platforms.
 
 Re-read what Andreas said (there is no current maintainer, we do not
 have a volunteer, in essence) and what you said (ignorant thinking),
 and see if you can spot your mistake - you are attacking Andreas for not
 taking ownership of a platform he does /not/ use, in the context of his
 work to look after a platform he /does/ use.

+10

Michael, if you really think there is a need for a windows platform maintainer
then please step up and bring youself in or sponsor someone to do it. But just
insulting those that already invest a lot of their time like Andreas is
absolutely counterproductive and shows that you have not understood the concepts
of OSS at all.

just my 5c

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Re: [Zope] How can I store session data to db on login/logoff events ?

2006-10-12 Thread Sascha Ottolski

Am Donnerstag, 12. Oktober 2006 08:50 schrieb Pletli Antal:
 Thanks Dieter, it's work.

 But i have a problem with this:

 When I ran the test python script (see below) in Zope or I called the
 url directly from the browser , I got an error:

 Error Type: KeyError
 Error Value: 'SESSION'

we've seen this problem regulary, and work around it like so:

def getSession(self):
 
try:
session = request.SESSION
except KeyError:
session = self.session_data_manager.getSessionData()

return session


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I think that volunteer to care was the crucial phrase with focus on the word 'care'. Now perhaps I read it the wrong way and I apologise if I did but Andreas has been very anti-Windows in the past. Perhaps the word 'ignorant' is slighty harsh. I still feel there is a lot of anti-Windows feeling and whilst I don't prefer the platform I feel it should be well supported. Perhaps Enfold could help with Zope Windows builds as they have done with Plone Windows builds which are fantastic? I have occasionally attempted to install separate Zope instances on Windows and have achieved that but obviously installers are the ultimate for exposure.
On 10/12/06, Chris Withers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Jens Vagelpohl wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11 Oct 2006, at 17:14, michael nt milne wrote: The windows builds will be available as soon as someone volunteer to care
about the Windows platform. ignorant thinking. Most businesses use Windows and Zope will suffer unless it is embraced. Who do you think you are insulting people who actually invest a lot of
their spare time in the software and in the community? You being an annoying troll is helping no one, and it certainly won't get Windows builds done.Haha, just add him to your email blacklist, saves a lot of trouble ;-)
For the record, the releases are not available because no-one is capablerather than motivated to produce them.Having built a couple, Windows releases are a royal PITA even ifeverything goes smoothly...
Now Michael, unless you're prepared to build these releases yourself, Iless than politely suggest you STFU...ChrisPS: For the non-trolls on this list, I believe Sidnei da Silva isthinking about taking up this painful task... send him beer/love/money
and he might be further persuaded...PPS: We all might also like to thank Tim Peters for doing such a goodjob of building Windows releases in the past that no-one noticed thedelay between the source and binary release...
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[Zope] http://svn.zope.org and http://cvs.zope.org

2006-10-12 Thread Axel Bringenberg

Hello,

does anyone know what has happen to the web views of the Zope CVS and
SVN? Both bring a 301 and redirect to www.zope.org.

Regards,
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[Zope] Re: Zope 2 for Windows

2006-10-12 Thread Maik Ihde

Michael,

why don't YOU volunteer to do it? It seems that you are making money using
Zope/Plone which is fine - but this would be a way to actually give something
back to the community. 

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Re: [Zope] Zope 2 for Windows

2006-10-12 Thread Andreas Jung




--On 12. Oktober 2006 09:07:04 +0100 Chris Withers [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:



Jens Vagelpohl wrote:

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On 11 Oct 2006, at 17:14, michael nt milne wrote:



The windows builds will be available as soon as someone volunteer to
care about the Windows platform.



ignorant thinking. Most businesses use Windows and Zope will suffer
unless it is embraced.


Who do you think you are insulting people who actually invest a lot of
their spare time in the software and in the community? You being an
annoying troll is helping no one, and it certainly won't get Windows
builds done.


Haha, just add him to your email blacklist, saves a lot of trouble ;-)

For the record, the releases are not available because no-one is capable
rather than motivated to produce them.

Having built a couple, Windows releases are a royal PITA even if
everything goes smoothly...

Now Michael, unless you're prepared to build these releases yourself, I
less than politely suggest you STFU...



@Chris: what is STFU?

@Michael: You're a numpty and a troll.

If you don't know what 'numpty' means, see

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=numpty

My posting did not contain a single line that I would not care about the 
Windows releases. In fact I have been after people like Christian Theune, 
Chris Withers and Tim Peters to provide
Windows builds after releasing the source code distributions. In addition I 
asked some days ago on the zope-dev list about Windows maintainer problem.
Since your contributions to the Zope and Plone world are just dumb and 
troll-compatible postings, please just shut up. You're not in the position

to tell me that I would be ignorant on Windows. I am usually  ignorant on
Windows issues in general (for a variety of reasons) *but* I am trying to 
delegate the issue to other ppl. That's a big difference.


Andreas



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Re: [Zope] Zope 2 for Windows


Andreas Jung wrote:


@Chris: what is STFU?


Heh, I was trying to be polite, but hey, why change the habit of a 
lifetime? ;-)


STFU = Shut The Fuck Up :-)

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Re: [Zope] Zope 2 for Windows

I thought you had blacklisted me out. I wish you had! :-)Since your contributions to the Zope and Plone world are just dumb
I will bring back the word ignorant since that comment plainly is. And if you think I am a troll then the same word applies. I would suggest you look at yourself and think before you post. Over on the Plone list there have been several bust ups due to your attitude and many people have commented to my privately on your approace. I've been posting on Plone, receiving help, posting bugs and also helping others for over a year now. All totally constructive. People have also commented to me that my posts have been helpful and they have been. So I would take a look at yourself and think before you post.
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--On 12. Oktober 2006 09:07:04 +0100 Chris Withers [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Jens Vagelpohl wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1 On 11 Oct 2006, at 17:14, michael nt milne wrote: The windows builds will be available as soon as someone volunteer to
care about the Windows platform. ignorant thinking. Most businesses use Windows and Zope will suffer unless it is embraced.
Who do you think you are insulting people who actually invest a lot of their spare time in the software and in the community? You being an annoying troll is helping no one, and it certainly won't get Windows
builds done. Haha, just add him to your email blacklist, saves a lot of trouble ;-) For the record, the releases are not available because no-one is capable rather than motivated to produce them.
Having built a couple, Windows releases are a royal PITA even if everything goes smoothly... Now Michael, unless you're prepared to build these releases yourself, I less than politely suggest you STFU...
@Chris: what is STFU?@Michael: You're a numpty and a troll.If you don't know what 'numpty' means, see http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=numpty
My posting did not contain a single line that I would not care about theWindows releases. In fact I have been after people like Christian Theune,Chris Withers and Tim Peters to provideWindows builds after releasing the source code distributions. In addition I
asked some days ago on the zope-dev list about Windows maintainer problem.Since your contributions to the Zope and Plone world are just dumb andtroll-compatible postings, please just shut up. You're not in the position
to tell me that I would be ignorant on Windows. I am usuallyignorant onWindows issues in general (for a variety of reasons) *but* I am trying todelegate the issue to other ppl. That's a big difference.
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Re: [Zope] Zope 2 for Windows

same to you pal :-) since you started it. Water off a duck's back mate. On 10/12/06, michael nt milne [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:I thought you had blacklisted me out. I wish you had! :-)
Since your contributions to the Zope and Plone world are just dumb
I will bring back the word ignorant since that comment plainly is. And if you think I am a troll then the same word applies. I would suggest you look at yourself and think before you post. Over on the Plone list there have been several bust ups due to your attitude and many people have commented to my privately on your approace. I've been posting on Plone, receiving help, posting bugs and also helping others for over a year now. All totally constructive. People have also commented to me that my posts have been helpful and they have been. So I would take a look at yourself and think before you post.
On 10/12/06, Andreas Jung
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

--On 12. Oktober 2006 09:07:04 +0100 Chris Withers [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:
Jens Vagelpohl wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1 On 11 Oct 2006, at 17:14, michael nt milne wrote: The windows builds will be available as soon as someone volunteer to
care about the Windows platform. ignorant thinking. Most businesses use Windows and Zope will suffer unless it is embraced.
Who do you think you are insulting people who actually invest a lot of their spare time in the software and in the community? You being an annoying troll is helping no one, and it certainly won't get Windows
builds done. Haha, just add him to your email blacklist, saves a lot of trouble ;-) For the record, the releases are not available because no-one is capable rather than motivated to produce them.
Having built a couple, Windows releases are a royal PITA even if everything goes smoothly... Now Michael, unless you're prepared to build these releases yourself, I less than politely suggest you STFU...
@Chris: what is STFU?@Michael: You're a numpty and a troll.If you don't know what 'numpty' means, see
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=numpty
My posting did not contain a single line that I would not care about theWindows releases. In fact I have been after people like Christian Theune,Chris Withers and Tim Peters to provideWindows builds after releasing the source code distributions. In addition I
asked some days ago on the zope-dev list about Windows maintainer problem.Since your contributions to the Zope and Plone world are just dumb andtroll-compatible postings, please just shut up. You're not in the position
to tell me that I would be ignorant on Windows. I am usuallyignorant onWindows issues in general (for a variety of reasons) *but* I am trying todelegate the issue to other ppl. That's a big difference.

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Re: [Zope] Zope 2 for Windows

your blacklist rule broken down has it? put it back please or I will have to.On 10/12/06, michael nt milne
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:same to you pal :-) since you started it. Water off a duck's back mate.
On 10/12/06, michael nt milne
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wrote:I thought you had blacklisted me out. I wish you had! :-)
Since your contributions to the Zope and Plone world are just dumb
I will bring back the word ignorant since that comment plainly is. And if you think I am a troll then the same word applies. I would suggest you look at yourself and think before you post. Over on the Plone list there have been several bust ups due to your attitude and many people have commented to my privately on your approace. I've been posting on Plone, receiving help, posting bugs and also helping others for over a year now. All totally constructive. People have also commented to me that my posts have been helpful and they have been. So I would take a look at yourself and think before you post.
On 10/12/06, Andreas Jung

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--On 12. Oktober 2006 09:07:04 +0100 Chris Withers [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:

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Hash: SHA1 On 11 Oct 2006, at 17:14, michael nt milne wrote: The windows builds will be available as soon as someone volunteer to
care about the Windows platform. ignorant thinking. Most businesses use Windows and Zope will suffer unless it is embraced.
Who do you think you are insulting people who actually invest a lot of their spare time in the software and in the community? You being an annoying troll is helping no one, and it certainly won't get Windows
builds done. Haha, just add him to your email blacklist, saves a lot of trouble ;-) For the record, the releases are not available because no-one is capable rather than motivated to produce them.
Having built a couple, Windows releases are a royal PITA even if everything goes smoothly... Now Michael, unless you're prepared to build these releases yourself, I less than politely suggest you STFU...
@Chris: what is STFU?@Michael: You're a numpty and a troll.If you don't know what 'numpty' means, see

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=numpty
My posting did not contain a single line that I would not care about theWindows releases. In fact I have been after people like Christian Theune,Chris Withers and Tim Peters to provideWindows builds after releasing the source code distributions. In addition I
asked some days ago on the zope-dev list about Windows maintainer problem.Since your contributions to the Zope and Plone world are just dumb andtroll-compatible postings, please just shut up. You're not in the position
to tell me that I would be ignorant on Windows. I am usuallyignorant onWindows issues in general (for a variety of reasons) *but* I am trying todelegate the issue to other ppl. That's a big difference.

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Re: [Zope] Zope 2 for Windows

why don't YOU volunteer to do it? It seems that you are making money usingZope/Plone which is fine - but this would be a way to actually give somethingback to the community.I would be happy to do this. Yes I am making money using Plone and Zope but I could easily make money using a number of other platforms. I could also adandon working on implementing CMS and make good money in other areas. I am not restricted to working with it or on CMS. I find it interesting and I also think Plone is one of the best platforms I have seen with an excellent community and real vibrancy. Also in using the platform in a current installation I am creating good publicity for Plone and therefore Zope nationwide. This can only further the cause.
When I get some extra time I would be happy to volunteer but I can't do both at the moment. My Plone sites take precedence.On 10/12/06, michael nt milne
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your blacklist rule broken down has it? put it back please or I will have to.On 10/12/06, michael nt milne

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:same to you pal :-) since you started it. Water off a duck's back mate.
On 10/12/06, michael nt milne

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wrote:I thought you had blacklisted me out. I wish you had! :-)
Since your contributions to the Zope and Plone world are just dumb
I will bring back the word ignorant since that comment plainly is. And if you think I am a troll then the same word applies. I would suggest you look at yourself and think before you post. Over on the Plone list there have been several bust ups due to your attitude and many people have commented to my privately on your approace. I've been posting on Plone, receiving help, posting bugs and also helping others for over a year now. All totally constructive. People have also commented to me that my posts have been helpful and they have been. So I would take a look at yourself and think before you post.
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Re: [Zope] Zope 2 for Windows

2006-10-12 Thread knitti


On 10/12/06, michael nt milne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

my privately on your approace. I've been posting on Plone, receiving help,
posting bugs and also helping others for over a year now. All totally
constructive. People have also commented to me that my posts have been
helpful and they have been.


well, unless my glasses distort my brain, none of your postings in this
thread have been. basically, as almost always with something one
receives without needing to pay for, we can be glad (and should be
grateful)that there are people using THEIR OWN TIME for something
what benefits us, too. and they can do with their own time what they
want, and you can too, with yours.
so stop whining, especially if you can't contribute with your own time or
by funding one of the developers to do WHAT YOU WANT. Otoh, I don't
think any of the developers will be sad If YOU stop using zope. Or even
notice.

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Re: [Zope] Zope 2 for Windows

yes I get your general 'drift'. I am putting in my own time as much as I can just now promoting Plone and therefore Zope. And this will increase over time. To be honest I am more committed to Plone and the user base there. This thread was an example of a in-built bias against Windows which I have come up against time and time again but mainly on this list. We all know that Zope runs best on Unix but for the small to medium organisation running a server in house Windows is the platform of choice.
Otoh, I don'tthink any of the developers will be sad If YOU stop using zope. Or evennotice.Obviously but that doesn't bother me a bit.
On 10/12/06, knitti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 10/12/06, michael nt milne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: my privately on your approace. I've been posting on Plone, receiving help, posting bugs and also helping others for over a year now. All totally
constructive. People have also commented to me that my posts have been helpful and they have been.well, unless my glasses distort my brain, none of your postings in thisthread have been. basically, as almost always with something one
receives without needing to pay for, we can be glad (and should begrateful)that there are people using THEIR OWN TIME for somethingwhat benefits us, too. and they can do with their own time what theywant, and you can too, with yours.
so stop whining, especially if you can't contribute with your own time orby funding one of the developers to do WHAT YOU WANT. Otoh, I don'tthink any of the developers will be sad If YOU stop using zope. Or even
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Re: [Zope] Zope 2 for Windows

2006-10-12 Thread knitti


On 10/12/06, michael nt milne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

This thread was an example of a in-built bias against Windows which I have
come up against time and time again but mainly on this list. We all know
that Zope runs best on Unix but for the small to medium organisation running
a server in house Windows is the platform of choice.


I use Zope on WIndows for development sometimes too. But if none of
the devolpers has Windows as a priority I have to live with that, because
*I know* that whining doesn't do shit to increase motivation of a developer
to invest time into an issue, if he or she has enough interesting things to do
already.

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Re: [Zope] Zope 2 for Windows

No I get your point. I just feel that anti-windows feeling has to be flagged up. If not it gets endemnic and hopefully occasional pointers will feed in organically. Ultimately in OSS though people will do what they want and that is also part of the value. Finally I don't think I am 'whining' on this.
CheersOn 10/12/06, knitti 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:On 10/12/06, michael nt milne 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This thread was an example of a in-built bias against Windows which I have come up against time and time again but mainly on this list. We all know that Zope runs best on Unix but for the small to medium organisation running
 a server in house Windows is the platform of choice.I use Zope on WIndows for development sometimes too. But if none ofthe devolpers has Windows as a priority I have to live with that, because*I know* that whining doesn't do shit to increase motivation of a developer
to invest time into an issue, if he or she has enough interesting things to doalready.--knitti-- michael
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Re: [Zope] Sending XML straight down to a zope

2006-10-12 Thread Peter Bengtsson




Chris Withers wrote:

Peter Bengtsson wrote:

xml_content = open('validxmlfile.xml').read()
http = httplib.HTTP(localhost, 8080)
http.putrequest(POST, /uploadExpenseXML)


That's not really a valid transaction...


Perhaps I got my pseudo syntax code wrong.
My point is still valid since Zope doesn't seem to be able to 
deconstruct a HTTP POST where a value is send without a key.


My guess is you should be encoding this as a posted file (ie: as if 
you'd used an input type=file/) and then process the file on the 
server...
I've tried to make them change their mind now about how they post it to 
me but it's a bit unclear still if they can change their minds about how 
the XML poster works.

So you don't know of a way to get the value of the posted body in zope?

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Re: [Zope] Re: Sending XML straight down to a zope

2006-10-12 Thread Peter Bengtsson




Tres Seaver wrote:

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Peter Bengtsson wrote:

I'm trying to send an XML straight into Zope without specifying it as
a parameter and with a Content-Length. It seems that Zope's mapply
function or whatever it's called digests the raw http body and tries
to turn it into parameters?


Here's the code on the Zope server (uploadExpenseXML()):
def uploadExpenseXML(self):
   return str(self.REQUEST.form.keys())


Here's the dummy code that sends the XML into my Zope:

xml_content = open('validxmlfile.xml').read()
http = httplib.HTTP(localhost, 8080)
http.putrequest(POST, /uploadExpenseXML)
http.putheader(User-Agent, Simple)
http.putheader(Host, localhost)
http.putheader(Content-Length, %d % len(xml_content))
http.endheaders()
http.send(xml_content)
reply, message, headers = http.getreply()
print http.getfile().read()


The result I get is:
['?xml version']

If I debug the value of that single REQUEST.form variable, it starts
like this:
'1.0 encoding=ISO-8859-1 standalone=yes ?\nXMLExpense
Version=1.0

Obviously, one solution would be to ask the XML sending company to not
post it like this but instead post it by parameter which I know will
work.
But, what if I can't change their minds?



PS. When faced with the same problem a long time ago I ended up
writing a mod_python app running one a different port that converted
the http post from mod_python into a parameter based http post. I
don't want to have to do that again.


Stock Zope can only handle POST request with XML payloads if they
conform to the XMLRPC spec:  they must have the 'Content-type' header of
'text/xml', and the document must be encoded as an xmlrpc request.

If you can get the vendor to use a PUT request instead of a POST, you
could process the result inside a custom object'c 'PUT' method.
Otherwise, you are going to need to create a custom derivative of
ZPublisher.HTTPRequest, and override its 'processInputs' to handle the
vendor's non-standard dump.  You could make that server listen on a
different port, for instance (I'm guessing you can tell them what URL to
POST to, right?)



Cool. Thanks for the suggestion. I've tried to make them change the way 
they post it to me and if that's not possible I'll consider your advice 
about either PUT or digging into ZPublisher which I was hoping not to 
have to do.




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Re: [Zope] Re: Sending XML straight down to a zope

- Original Message - 
From: Peter Bengtsson [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: Tres Seaver [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: zope@zope.org
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 1:09 PM
Subject: Re: [Zope] Re: Sending XML straight down to a zope

Tres Seaver wrote:

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Peter Bengtsson wrote:

I'm trying to send an XML straight into Zope without specifying it as
a parameter and with a Content-Length. It seems that Zope's mapply
function or whatever it's called digests the raw http body and tries
to turn it into parameters?

Here's the code on the Zope server (uploadExpenseXML()):
def uploadExpenseXML(self):
   return str(self.REQUEST.form.keys())

Here's the dummy code that sends the XML into my Zope:

xml_content = open('validxmlfile.xml').read()
http = httplib.HTTP(localhost, 8080)
http.putrequest(POST, /uploadExpenseXML)
http.putheader(User-Agent, Simple)
http.putheader(Host, localhost)
http.putheader(Content-Length, %d % len(xml_content))
http.endheaders()
http.send(xml_content)
reply, message, headers = http.getreply()
print http.getfile().read()

The result I get is:
['?xml version']

If I debug the value of that single REQUEST.form variable, it starts
like this:
'1.0 encoding=ISO-8859-1 standalone=yes ?\nXMLExpense
Version=1.0

Obviously, one solution would be to ask the XML sending company to not
post it like this but instead post it by parameter which I know will
work.
But, what if I can't change their minds?

PS. When faced with the same problem a long time ago I ended up
writing a mod_python app running one a different port that converted
the http post from mod_python into a parameter based http post. I
don't want to have to do that again.

Stock Zope can only handle POST request with XML payloads if they
conform to the XMLRPC spec:  they must have the 'Content-type' header of
'text/xml', and the document must be encoded as an xmlrpc request.

If you can get the vendor to use a PUT request instead of a POST, you
could process the result inside a custom object'c 'PUT' method.
Otherwise, you are going to need to create a custom derivative of
ZPublisher.HTTPRequest, and override its 'processInputs' to handle the
vendor's non-standard dump.  You could make that server listen on a
different port, for instance (I'm guessing you can tell them what URL to
POST to, right?)

Cool. Thanks for the suggestion. I've tried to make them change the way 
they post it to me and if that's not possible I'll consider your advice 
about either PUT or digging into ZPublisher which I was hoping not to have 
to do.

As an alternative strategy, how about:

i) set up a url just for this problem user
ii) us apache rewrite to redirect to a non-zope cgi script
iii) use the cgi script to 'fix' the xml
iv) do a redirect with the fixed xml to a 'zope' url

This would allow you to run a standard zope installation (running a hacked 
installation is a maintenance nightmare), and if the problem user ever gets 
their act together, you just change the apache rewrite rule so that they are 
delivered straight to your zope application.

Just a thought...

Jonathan 

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Re: [Zope] Re: Sending XML straight down to a zope

- Original Message - 
From: Jonathan [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: Peter Bengtsson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: zope@zope.org
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 1:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Zope] Re: Sending XML straight down to a zope

- Original Message - 
From: Peter Bengtsson [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: Tres Seaver [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: zope@zope.org
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 1:09 PM
Subject: Re: [Zope] Re: Sending XML straight down to a zope

Tres Seaver wrote:

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Hash: SHA1

Peter Bengtsson wrote:

I'm trying to send an XML straight into Zope without specifying it as
a parameter and with a Content-Length. It seems that Zope's mapply
function or whatever it's called digests the raw http body and tries
to turn it into parameters?

Here's the code on the Zope server (uploadExpenseXML()):
def uploadExpenseXML(self):
   return str(self.REQUEST.form.keys())

Here's the dummy code that sends the XML into my Zope:

xml_content = open('validxmlfile.xml').read()
http = httplib.HTTP(localhost, 8080)
http.putrequest(POST, /uploadExpenseXML)
http.putheader(User-Agent, Simple)
http.putheader(Host, localhost)
http.putheader(Content-Length, %d % len(xml_content))
http.endheaders()
http.send(xml_content)
reply, message, headers = http.getreply()
print http.getfile().read()

The result I get is:
['?xml version']

If I debug the value of that single REQUEST.form variable, it starts
like this:
'1.0 encoding=ISO-8859-1 standalone=yes ?\nXMLExpense
Version=1.0

Obviously, one solution would be to ask the XML sending company to not
post it like this but instead post it by parameter which I know will
work.
But, what if I can't change their minds?

PS. When faced with the same problem a long time ago I ended up
writing a mod_python app running one a different port that converted
the http post from mod_python into a parameter based http post. I
don't want to have to do that again.

Stock Zope can only handle POST request with XML payloads if they
conform to the XMLRPC spec:  they must have the 'Content-type' header of
'text/xml', and the document must be encoded as an xmlrpc request.

If you can get the vendor to use a PUT request instead of a POST, you
could process the result inside a custom object'c 'PUT' method.
Otherwise, you are going to need to create a custom derivative of
ZPublisher.HTTPRequest, and override its 'processInputs' to handle the
vendor's non-standard dump.  You could make that server listen on a
different port, for instance (I'm guessing you can tell them what URL to
POST to, right?)

Cool. Thanks for the suggestion. I've tried to make them change the way 
they post it to me and if that's not possible I'll consider your advice 
about either PUT or digging into ZPublisher which I was hoping not to 
have to do.

As an alternative strategy, how about:

i) set up a url just for this problem user
ii) us apache rewrite to redirect to a non-zope cgi script
iii) use the cgi script to 'fix' the xml
iv) do a redirect with the fixed xml to a 'zope' url

Sorry, 'redirect' is the wrong terminology, you would have to do an RPC call 
or use something like wget, urllib, etc to feed the new xml data to your 
zope app, and then return the response (or a response) to the originator.

Jonathan

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Re: [Zope] Re: PAS and md5 or crypt passwords

2006-10-12 Thread Robert (Jamie) Munro

Tres Seaver wrote:
 Robert (Jamie) Munro wrote:
 How do you use md5 passwords in PAS?

 I've got an SQL database already populated with usernames and md5
 passwords from an old system that I am replacing - I don't have the
 cleartext passwords.
 
 You write an authentication plugin which takes the credentials as keys
 in a dict (e.g., 'login_name', 'password'), encrypts the password using
 the same algorithm as your old system, and then compares them.  E.g.,
 (untested)::
 
   import md5
   PASSWORD_TEST_SQL = (select * from users where login_name = '%s' 
and encrypted_pw = '%s')
   def authenticateCredentials(self, credentials):
   login = credentials['login']
   clear = credentials['password']
   encrypted = md5.new(clear).hexdigest() # or whatever
   matched = self._execSQL(PASSWORD_TEST_SQL % (login, encrypted))
   if matched:
  return matched[0]['userid'], login
   return {}

I've edited GMailAuthPlugin, renamed it MD5AuthPlugin, added that code
and removed the google specific code. It doesn't give any errors, but it
also doesn't let me log in. I've tried adding a line to log things, but
that doesn't seem to be working either.

  LOG(MD5AuthPlugin, INFO, Login attempt: login: %s, clear: %s,
encrypted: %s % (login,clear,encrypted))

Any ideas?

Thanks,

Robert (Jamie) Munro

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Re: [Zope] Re: PAS and md5 or crypt passwords


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On 12 Oct 2006, at 14:03, Robert (Jamie) Munro wrote:

I've edited GMailAuthPlugin, renamed it MD5AuthPlugin, added that code
and removed the google specific code. It doesn't give any errors,  
but it
also doesn't let me log in. I've tried adding a line to log things,  
but

that doesn't seem to be working either.

  LOG(MD5AuthPlugin, INFO, Login attempt: login: %s, clear: %s,
encrypted: %s % (login,clear,encrypted))


Is your new plugin correctly registered as authentication plugin? If  
it does not get called at all it might not be.


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RE: [Zope] How can I store session data to db on login/logoff events ?

2006-10-12 Thread Dieter Maurer

Pletli Antal wrote at 2006-10-12 08:50 +0200:
But i have a problem with this:
 
When I ran the test python script (see below) in Zope or I called the
url directly from the browser , I got an error: 

Error Type: KeyError
Error Value: 'SESSION'

The session object is passed as a parameter to the
script when session created and script when session deleted scripts.



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Re: [Zope] Sending XML straight down to a zope

2006-10-12 Thread Dieter Maurer

Chris Withers wrote at 2006-10-12 08:35 +0100:
Peter Bengtsson wrote:
 xml_content = open('validxmlfile.xml').read()
 http = httplib.HTTP(localhost, 8080)
 http.putrequest(POST, /uploadExpenseXML)

That's not really a valid transaction...

Why not?


The real problem is that Zope wrongfully assumes that each
POST with content type text/xml is an XML-RPC request.

That's wrong at least since XML is more widely used on the browser
side (e.g. XForms).



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Re: [Zope] Zope 2 for Windows

2006-10-12 Thread Dieter Maurer

michael nt milne wrote at 2006-10-12 10:06 +0100:
 ...
I still feel there is a lot of anti-Windows
feeling and whilst I don't prefer the platform I feel it should be well
supported.

In fact, Windows is better supported than other platforms.
But, unfortunately, its users need even much more support...

   While other platforms are happy with a source release,
   Windows users expect a binary release, because
   they neither want to pay MS for a compiler (good!)
   nor want to install the priceless Cygwin (which brings a compiler with it)
   and generate the executables themselves (as users of other
   platforms do).

This indicates three options for you:

  1.  You volunteer to build the Windows binaries

  2.  You wait until another volunteer has build and provided
  the Windows binaries

  3.  You do as other platform users do it and build your
  own executables.



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Re: [Zope] Zope 2 for Windows

2006-10-12 Thread yary


On 12/10/06, Dieter Maurer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
...

  nor want to install the priceless Cygwin (which brings a compiler with it)
  and generate the executables themselves (as users of other
  platforms do).


Cygwin isn't mentioned in the windows install doc, and indeed a
conscientious user such as myself my find Zope a insider posting You
need either the Visual C++ Toolkit 2003 (not publicly available
anymore) or Visual Studio .NET 2003
(http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.web.zope.plone.devel/12915 )-
which discouraged me from trying a cygwin build... I already have a
cygwin python after all, and build from source frequently on several
platforms... it would work for my development, though perhaps a harder
sell for my client's production.

I read archives of a prior discussion mentioning the possibility of
packaging a release from the nightly builds- can't find the builds
available for d/l though. Here's my vote... oh and just found this
recent discussion which indicates that the wheels are in motion:
http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/zope/dev/202633

Sorry for inadvertently opening a thread that started some flames, the
missing win executables looked like a simple oversight to me. In
general I like platform-neutrality, and take as an article of faith
that a wide range of supported platforms indicates quality code and
thoughtful designers. It also makes pitching a project easier!
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[Zope] Re: PAS and md5 or crypt passwords

2006-10-12 Thread Piotr Furman




I've edited GMailAuthPlugin, renamed it MD5AuthPlugin, added that code
and removed the google specific code. It doesn't give any errors, but it
also doesn't let me log in. I've tried adding a line to log things, but
that doesn't seem to be working either.



Maybe You should take a look at SQLPASPlugin - 
http://plone.org/products/sqlpasplugin - there are some SHA encryption 
possibilities, however they are commented by default.

So You would have to modify it's code little bit.

regards
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Oprah
Do you remember all the times when you said to yourself you would do
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major
sacrifice is necessary. With Anatrim, the ground-breaking pound-melting
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a look at what people say!I hate to admit it but I was a junk food addict. I 
ate all this trash
and just could not stop. This misery stopped when I started taking
Anatrim! God, my appetite decreased, mood improved and I lost 20 pounds
in 2.5 months. I can tell you now I'm a happier person!Amely S., Bellevue WAI 
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Do you remember all the times when you said to yourself you would do
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blend, you can get a healthier lifestyle and become really thinner. Have a
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I hate to admit it but I was a junk food addict. I ate all this trash and
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my appetite decreased, mood improved and I lost 20 pounds in 2.5 months. I
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