On 12/16/18 5:14 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
You press the button without pressing the pedal.
Apparently turning a key was too complicated and hard for folks.
Now we just have people running off with a key fob while someone else
drives the vehicle away. Ooops.
Consider this scenario:
I keep
Electric assist. Still hydraulic for the most part.
Couple cars that are entirely electric still have hydraulic as a backup
(Q50 with DAS).
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Sun, Dec 16, 2018 at 6:58 PM Ken Hohhof wrote:
> Also
I think most cars/trucks, if not all are push button start now.
Our 2015 F-150 has push button start, even though there's no
"button". I know because you only have to touch the starter for a
fraction of a second, and the truck finishes the job (keeps the
starter
I like leaving my Leaf running when going into a store or bank. Nice that the
keyless fob lets me do that.
One summer came out of Home Depot. A local defender of all things
environmental had staked me out and started yelling at me about leaving my car
running just to keep it cool (true,
You press the button without pressing the pedal.
Apparently turning a key was too complicated and hard for folks.
Now we just have people running off with a key fob while someone else drives
the vehicle away. Ooops.
Consider this scenario:
I keep key fob in my pocket. Tech meets me at
I just tried the experiment on my 2014 Subaru which I’m sure has electric power
steering. No power assist when the engine isn’t running. Oddly it works for a
few seconds after turning off the engine. Even if you turn the key back to the
run position, no power assist unless you restart the
Also many new vehicles have electric power steering, which I assume still works
with the engine off, unless the battery is dead? Mine does, I guess I could do
an experiment.
I think electric steering may play a role in automatic parallel parking, and
tuning the steering response for
Power steering? No one needs that. My 2000 Saturn SL1 didn’t even have power
steering :)
> On Dec 16, 2018, at 17:22, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> You turn the engine off you lose your power steering.
>
> Put it in neutral and you lose your throttle putting power to the
> transmission.
>
> Josh
That's an excellent point!
On Sun, Dec 16, 2018 at 4:25 PM Josh Luthman
wrote:
> Well if you're really concerned about safety, let's refrain from turning
> the engine on/off to avoid a tow from your $35/year AAA plan.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne
You turn the engine off you lose your power steering.
Put it in neutral and you lose your throttle putting power to the
transmission.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Sun, Dec 16, 2018 at 2:07 PM Bill Prince wrote:
> Had that
On 12/16/18 10:55 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
Why would you emergency shut off the engine? That sounds absolutely
suicidal.
Sometimes the engine emergency shuts itself off, like that one time when
my electronic ignition module instantly ceased to be. Nothing horrible
happened, but without
The tires will not really change their direction unless the angle is shallow
and they hit the curb at an oblique angle.
I never considered column locks to be part of the whole hill parking tires to
curb thing. I always figured they were an anti theft thing.
From: Matt Hoppes
Sent:
What keeps the tire pointing towards he curb besides the column lock though?
> On Dec 16, 2018, at 15:41, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
>
> Same way your grandparents did. Column locks didn’t arrive until 1969.
> Turn the wheels into the curb. The tire hitting the curb is what stops it
> from
Yeah, AAA is the best value in America.
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Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2018 1:28 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
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I’m envisioning your basement full of MREs, buckets of water, and flashlights
batteries. ;)
I’m guessing
I had to do that once. Throttle stuck wide open.
From: Josh Luthman
Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2018 11:55 AM
To: AFMUG
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: push button vehicles
Why would you emergency shut off the engine? That sounds absolutely suicidal.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct:
Same way your grandparents did. Column locks didn’t arrive until 1969. Turn
the wheels into the curb. The tire hitting the curb is what stops it from
rolling..
Mark
> On Dec 16, 2018, at 2:16 PM, Matt Hoppes
> wrote:
>
> Wait. If wheel column locks are gone how do I lock the wheel
I’m envisioning your basement full of MREs, buckets of water, and flashlights
batteries. ;)
I’m guessing none of us are going to ease your mind that buttons are not bad,
less safe, or fool proof! Remember there’s always AAA!
> On Dec 16, 2018, at 2:56 PM, Matt Hoppes
> wrote:
>
>
Consider we often take vehicles to mountain tops in sub zero temperatures in
bad weather.
I want that thing to start!
> On Dec 16, 2018, at 14:29, Mathew Howard wrote:
>
> Well, I would just buy the vehicle I want and not worry about such things...
>
> If you need a tow someday that you
Wait. If wheel column locks are gone how do I lock the wheel when parked on a
hill?
> On Dec 16, 2018, at 14:13, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
>
> If you are worried about turning it off while moving push start/stop button
> for 3 seconds. Restart is a matter of pushing the start button again. If
And there you go. One can argue you can shift to neutral I guess? But the
engine still potentially revs into the danger zone.danger zone.
> On Dec 16, 2018, at 14:06, Bill Prince wrote:
>
> Had that happen several years ago. In Minnesota, in the winter. I don't
> remember what the
Glad you asked Josh. Here’s an exact situation that just happened recently:
A vehicle threw the serpentine belt. Cluster lights up like a Christmas tree
and temp starts climbing rapidly.
I’m 7 miles from home.
Initiate emergency procedures. Going 50mph. Shift to neutral. Shut engine off
and
If you are worried about turning it off while moving push start/stop button for
3 seconds. Restart is a matter of pushing the start button again. If it’s
running away the key isn’t the first thing I’m reaching for - it’s the brake.
The brakes are always stronger than the engine. If that
Had that happen several years ago. In Minnesota, in the winter. I
don't remember what the temperature was, but I know it has a "-"
in front of it and there was more than 1 digit. The driver had
stepped on it (dry pavement at least), but the throttle stuck. It
was
Why would you emergency shut off the engine? That sounds absolutely
suicidal.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Sun, Dec 16, 2018 at 1:40 PM Matt Hoppes <
mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
> We are looking to refresh one
I’ve had push button vehicles for 5+ years now. No issues None zero zilch
Nada. My battery in my key fobs warm with plenty of warning. My current Ford
fob has been barking for months and I’m seeing what will actually happen.
I think that your key is your pacifier and it’s time to give it
We are looking to refresh one of our SUVs. Everything seems to be going push
start - which scares me for several reasons:
1) key fob battery death - leaving you stranded. Apparently with most vehicles
there are hidden keys and slots. Ok.
2) needing to perform an emergency engine stop at
A hole through the threads would leak pretty seriously when you carry it.
The gasket is on the top of the neck.
Maybe they have some kind of manual vent cap.
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