[AFMUG] Best switch for bonding dual 10Gbps radio links

Lots of options today and redundancy with the switches wouldn't be a bad thing either. Rory Conaway * Triad Wireless * CEO 4226 S. 37th Street * Phoenix * AZ 85040 602-426-0542 r...@triadwireless.net www.triadwireless.net "An

[AFMUG] How does someone join AFMUIG?

Rory Conaway * Triad Wireless * CEO 4226 S. 37th Street * Phoenix * AZ 85040 602-426-0542 r...@triadwireless.net www.triadwireless.net "An optimist will tell you the glass is half-full; the pessimist, half-empty; and the engineer

Re: [AFMUG] Question on APC Arresters

Short answer is yes... if you look at all the 'Best Practices' install docs from all of the major Radio Mfg you will see that is exactly what they recommend. Having said that.. I also concur with Chuck's post, stating that one can not be sure as to the source of the surge, and have to pay

Re: [AFMUG] DC Power Site

Current limiting on the rectifier is always a good thing. During recharge during deep discharge, hopefully the voltage did not go low enough to cause the system to fail. If it did, then perhaps you should have had a low voltage disconnect, back up generator or larger battery. But having

Re: [AFMUG] Question on APC Arresters

There really is no good answer because there is no way to know where destructive impulses may be coming from. Too many surge suppressors can interfere with the data. I would say one on the circuit is generally good enough. If it is not good enough two probably would not be good enough

Re: [AFMUG] DC Power Site

Yeah, I wouldn't do that. No charge current limiting means the batteries will likely pull down the supply and starve the load. Also pay attention to the initial current spec on the batteries. Smaller ~9-20Ah batteries call for 2A or so. The Mean Well DR-UPS40 is capable of 40A @ 27VDC and

Re: [AFMUG] Question on APC Arresters

So, at the risk of sounding none-too-bright (which might be accurate in my case), is placing a SS on both ends of the Ethernet cable be the recommended course here? I.E. Switch---SS---Ethernet up the tower---SS--radio? Both SS grounded to earth ground via #2 copper going up the tower? On

Re: [AFMUG] Question on APC Arresters

Netonix. Toughswitch. Tycon. Anything that isn't AF and is passive PoE blows. That would be an in-correct statement or an in-correct assumption at best. Most passive switches have some-sort of over load protection built into them. The question of how fast they react would be a valid

Re: [AFMUG] Question on APC Arresters

You never know which direction the surge is coming from, many times, perhaps most times, it comes from the power lines and originates in the NOC gear. And with a piece of CAT 5 going in and out of a surge protector, you never know what the surge protector is connected to. A surge protector is

Re: [AFMUG] OT Tesla

I resemble that remark. With luck and budget, may hit 200mph for 90 miles on a public road within the next 18 months. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 3:46 PM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Tesla You drive more

Re: [AFMUG] OT Tesla

same... On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 5:46 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: > Not often enough... > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > > >

Re: [AFMUG] OT Tesla

Only need 88 MPH to activate the Flux capacitor. bp On 3/20/2017 3:46 PM, Mathew Howard wrote: You drive more than 130mph often? On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 2:07 PM, Kurt Fankhauser > wrote: 130mph top

Re: [AFMUG] OT Tesla

Not often enough... - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Mathew Howard" To: "af" Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 5:46:26 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT

Re: [AFMUG] OT Tesla

You drive more than 130mph often? On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 2:07 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: > 130mph top speed according to the spec sheet, Lol > > On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 2:04 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: > >> We don't get monetary credit. Just kWh credit

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] DC Power Site

Yes, the load voltage and battery voltage are always the same on the AD-155... I have never yet run into anything that I'd want to put on a tower that had an issue with the voltage varying a bit, pretty much everything this is happy until you get above 28 volts or so. My favorite power supply for

[AFMUG] Ceragon

When I call them, their system doesn't do anything when I try and select 2 for support. When I email their RMA they tell me to email support and when I email support no one responds. And I still have the password bug where I KNOW I put in the right password for more than one existing account

Re: [AFMUG] FW: Interference clauses in commercial tower leases

We are in the process of this now with a Federal site.. they make it real easy to be the ONE/NEO :) Even the City Traffic has to move because they did not word their contract correctly and since they are considered public safety we are moving them to 4.9. On 03/20/2017 07:20 AM, Paul McCall

Re: [AFMUG] OT Tesla

I thought you only had to pay if you bought the model 3. On Monday, March 20, 2017, Rory Conaway wrote: > Not any more for new Tesla owners…. > > > > Rory > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com > ] *On Behalf

Re: [AFMUG] OT Tesla

Not any more for new Tesla owners…. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 2:38 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Tesla Yep, but there is a free one just down the road from me. From: Rory Conaway Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017

Re: [AFMUG] OT Tesla

Yep, but there is a free one just down the road from me. From: Rory Conaway Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 3:37 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Tesla 40A is what’s necessary for the 8 hour chargers. Want to charge your 100kWh Tesla in a few hours, spend about $10K with the

Re: [AFMUG] OT Tesla

40A is what’s necessary for the 8 hour chargers. Want to charge your 100kWh Tesla in a few hours, spend about $10K with the electric company and get them to pull another 100A to your house at 480v I think. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Monday,

Re: [AFMUG] OT Tesla

220/221 30 amp at least. I think I would wire a 40 or 50 amp circuit for it. From: Lewis Bergman Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 3:29 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Tesla For you guys with your fancy electric cars. I don't have one, Not sure I'll ever get one. But I am building

Re: [AFMUG] OT Tesla

For you guys with your fancy electric cars. I don't have one, Not sure I'll ever get one. But I am building a new house and want to make sure I allow for all the wild things that may take place one day. Is it just a 220 or something? On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 3:36 PM Chuck McCown

Re: [AFMUG] OT Tesla

E=MC^2 I think probably has a tad more energy than just the M... -Original Message- From: Robert Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 2:33 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Tesla It was a joke about the "Solar System" and as such is a birthright... On 3/20/17 9:06 AM, Rory

Re: [AFMUG] OT Tesla

It was a joke about the "Solar System" and as such is a birthright... On 3/20/17 9:06 AM, Rory Conaway wrote: How much do you get paid for that. In Phoenix, it's pretty low and they just added a $50 per month charge to connect to the grid. Rory -Original Message- From: Af

Re: [AFMUG] OT Tesla

130mph top speed according to the spec sheet, Lol On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 2:04 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: > We don't get monetary credit. Just kWh credit and if you are a net > producer you lose all your credits each March so no incentive to overbuild. > > -Original

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] DC Power Site

I'm 99.9% sure that load voltage and battery voltage are one and the same. If you don't want the load voltage to vary then you have to add a DC/DC converter. You probably don't need to. -- Original Message -- From: "Darin Steffl" To: "memb...@wispa.org"

Re: [AFMUG] OT Tesla

How much do you get paid for that. In Phoenix, it's pretty low and they just added a $50 per month charge to connect to the grid. Rory -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Robert Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 10:46 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re:

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] DC Power Site

So it looks like we will go with the 24v system (AD-155B) for now. Does the voltage adjustment screw only change the Load voltage or also the battery charge voltage? What happens if the batteries run completely dead? When AC power is restored, will the power supply still boot up properly and

Re: [AFMUG] Interference clauses in commercial tower leases

We managed to get these two clauses into a local commercial lease back in 2010. Adam From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall Sent: Friday, March 17, 2017 1:56 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Interference clauses in commercial tower leases Anyone

Re: [AFMUG] DC Power Site

That's why I was suggesting that higher voltage is almost always desirable. Getting the amperage down low enough, and you can even exceed C/20 or better. The lower amperage/longer hour draw means you can often squeeze more out of the batteries. bp On 3/20/2017

Re: [AFMUG] DC Power Site

Many batts don't want you to exceed C/10 or a 10 hour charge. But that varies by chemistry and manufacturer. Always a good thing to check at design time. -Original Message- From: Robert Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 12:20 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DC Power Site

Re: [AFMUG] DC Power Site

That's what I'm talking about, except we like twice the off grid capacity... When the shit hits the fan, don't like to be adding recharging duty to the recovery cycle... So we look for 24V PS's that can do at least 28 amps... On 3/20/17 8:08 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: Yeah, I would go 10%

Re: [AFMUG] DC Power Site

Personally I do a 24v site. Two 12v 12a batteries. Using WS-12-250-DC. The Netonix will actually convert from 24v to ~50v inside and then deliver 24v and 48v from that. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 1:11

Re: [AFMUG] Sitemonitor question - different voltages

It works from like 6-56 volts. -48 is a ways away from that... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 1:17 PM, Adam Moffett wrote: > I think it draws current from whichever port has the

[AFMUG] PMP450 reregs at site synced by CTMExpress8

I believe I have figured out the solution to a nagging, nonsensical problem. If you see many Canopy PMP450 clients, including those with great signal/SNR, disconnecting / re-registering at a site where the APs are synced by a CTMExpress8, try rebooting that sync device. Even if its stats shown in

Re: [AFMUG] DC Power Site

Yeah, I would go 10% of the capacity of the batts being the additional current your PS needs to be able to make over and above the load current. Figure out all the loads and get something that can do at least twice the current you need minimum. Say you have 70 watts of load. 24 volt system

Re: [AFMUG] OT Tesla

We don't get monetary credit. Just kWh credit and if you are a net producer you lose all your credits each March so no incentive to overbuild. -Original Message- From: Bill Prince Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 12:01 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Tesla Not here. In

Re: [AFMUG] DC Power Site

And those batteries would be toast at 11V... But more importantly pick a charger that will recharge your batteries in a reasonable time when power returns. More than once we have seen power problems return in bad weather and if your system takes two weeks to recharge the batteries fully

Re: [AFMUG] OT Tesla

Not here. In California, grid-tied solar buys electricity from the grid (when the site needs it) at retail prices, but sells it back to the grid at wholesale prices (when generating). bp On 3/20/2017 10:58 AM, Paul Stewart wrote: I’d have to double check the

Re: [AFMUG] OT Tesla

I’d have to double check the exact amount but here in Ontario, the power you sell back at something like 90 cents Kwh … very inflated to encourage more people to generate their own power and sell it back to the “system” - in my opinion it’s driven the price of purchasing/consuming power

Re: [AFMUG] DC Power Site

As stated before, don't skimp on voltage. Lower voltage setups will increase the current required for a given wattage proportionally. Lower volts means you need bigger wires, and the drain on the batteries goes up as well. Your 70 watts is almost 6 amps at 12 volts, but only 3 amps at 24

Re: [AFMUG] DC Power Site

Solar panel system is cheap enough to deploy...It is easy to design and install...Just saying... On Mar 20, 2017 11:48 AM, "Chuck McCown" wrote: > You can still do that. Just charge one 12 batt at a time. Probably fully > charge one in a half hour then switch. Come back the

Re: [AFMUG] Sitemonitor question - different voltages

I have 2 differ t voltages on mine. On a 24VDC site I have Up to 31VDC on one input. It powers the unit and I monitor the sites status with it. Power supply 2 is a wall watt plugged into my remote genset. When the genset comes on I get 24.3VDC on that power input. This tells me the genset is

Re: [AFMUG] DC Power Site

You can still do that. Just charge one 12 batt at a time. Probably fully charge one in a half hour then switch. Come back the next day. From: Adam Moffett Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 11:40 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DC Power Site I've never actually set up a 12V site

Re: [AFMUG] OT Tesla

My solar system stores energy in the form of gravity potential... On 3/20/17 5:59 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: My solar system stores excess energy as credit on the bill. So I can use it anytime of day. *From:* Rory Conaway *Sent:* Monday, March 20, 2017 3:21 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re:

Re: [AFMUG] All WISPAmerica 2017 Interviews

Thanks for doing this, Mike! We only have enough wiggle room in our schedule to come out once a year in Vegas so these videos do well to keep people like me in the loop. ☺ Chris Wright Network Administrator From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, March

Re: [AFMUG] DC Power Site

I've never actually set up a 12V site because there always seemed to end up being other practical concerns, but I was always tempted by the idea that if the power was out for a long time I could drive up and connect jumper cables from my car and use the car as a standby generator. A car can

Re: [AFMUG] DC Power Site

And unless you have 12 volt only loads, the cost is about the same for a 24 volt site. From: Justin Wilson Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 11:33 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DC Power Site Our site was a backhaul, an rb750, and an Omni. We had tons of issues with it until we

Re: [AFMUG] DC Power Site

Good point. -- Original Message -- From: "Chuck McCown" To: af@afmug.com Sent: 3/20/2017 1:32:33 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DC Power Site The issues is not current as much a voltage headroom. If you are running a 12 volt system which quickly drops to 12 volts when the

Re: [AFMUG] DC Power Site

70 Watts at 12V is around 6 amp. 155 Watts at 12v is almost 13 amps. You'll need to make sure your wire gauge is large enough, but I think you'd only need 12 gauge for that. -- Original Message -- From: "Darin Steffl" To: "af@afmug.com" Cc:

Re: [AFMUG] DC Power Site

Our site was a backhaul, an rb750, and an Omni. We had tons of issues with it until we upgraded to 24volt. Under load it would draw more amperage and things would suffer. Had another similar site and it’s issues went away after an upgrade to 24 volt. Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net ---

Re: [AFMUG] DC Power Site

The issues is not current as much a voltage headroom. If you are running a 12 volt system which quickly drops to 12 volts when the power quits, and your radios quit working at 11 volts, you will not have as much time as if you were running a 24 volt system and the radios quit working at 11

Re: [AFMUG] DC Power Site

If you had a couple of < 10 watt devices, I don't see how you'd have an issue with too much current. -- Original Message -- From: "Chuck McCown" To: af@afmug.com Cc: memb...@wispa.org Sent: 3/20/2017 1:23:42 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DC Power Site I would never build a

Re: [AFMUG] DC Power Site

Justin, Our planned load for this site is only 70 watts for two backhauls, an omni, and netonix. This should be well within range of the 155 watt power supply, no? Our ethernet runs are also only 30 feet or less. I also don't see that the voltage is adjustable on the AD-155 though? Spec sheet

Re: [AFMUG] DC Power Site

Qualifying info: If you don't want/need any features like temperature compensation or low voltage disconnect, then all you need is a power supply that can be adjusted to your float voltage, then you wire the batteries and load in parallel. -- Original Message -- From: "Chuck McCown"

Re: [AFMUG] DC Power Site

I would never build a 12 volt site if there was any way to avoid it. From: Justin Wilson Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 11:21 AM To: af@afmug.com Cc: memb...@wispa.org Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DC Power Site Don’t skimp by going with the lower voltage. You will run into an amperage issues pretty

Re: [AFMUG] Sitemonitor question - different voltages

Yup, it works fine to mix... pwr1 and pwr2 definitely don't both have to be the same. We typically have 24v on one and 48v on the other, on sites where we're using both. On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 12:09 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: > I am talking about pwr1 and pwr2. For some reason I

Re: [AFMUG] DC Power Site

Don’t skimp by going with the lower voltage. You will run into an amperage issues pretty quickly. Seen a 12-13 volt site with 1 backhaul and an omni run into amperage issues within a week. Voltage is fine, just way too much amperage. It’s not worth the headache. Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net

Re: [AFMUG] DC Power Site

You don’t need two power supplies. Just pick the power supply that has enough current to both power the radios and supply a healthy recharge current right after a power outage to the radios. From: Darin Steffl Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 11:11 AM To: memb...@wispa.org ; af@afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] Sitemonitor question - different voltages

I think it draws current from whichever port has the higher voltage. If you did +24 and -48 I bet that would be bad. -- Original Message -- From: "Chuck McCown" To: af@afmug.com Sent: 3/20/2017 1:09:30 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sitemonitor question - different voltages

Re: [AFMUG] DC Power Site

You can adjust the float voltage to whatever is optimal for your battery by turning a screw on the AD155. -- Original Message -- From: "Darin Steffl" To: "memb...@wispa.org" ; "af@afmug.com" Sent: 3/20/2017 1:11:22 PM

[AFMUG] DC Power Site

Hello all, We're looking to build our first DC power site for small MicroPops and I see two options after reviewing the WISPA archives. The first option would be the the SDR-240-24 and DR-UPS40 with Two 12v batteries powering a Netonix DC switch. The second option we were looking at is just

Re: [AFMUG] Sitemonitor question - different voltages

I am talking about pwr1 and pwr2. For some reason I thought they had to both be the same. From: Josh Luthman Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 11:08 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sitemonitor question - different voltages Of course. You'll also be able to monitor both at the same

Re: [AFMUG] Sitemonitor question - different voltages

Of course. You'll also be able to monitor both at the same time. Conversely an RB750 will only report the highest of the two voltages. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 1:01 PM, Chuck McCown

Re: [AFMUG] Sitemonitor question - different voltages

Base1 has been gone for like 3-4 years or something...there's no way Paul would get one these days. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 11:03 AM, George Skorup wrote: > Be careful

Re: [AFMUG] Windows 10 update speed

Hear hear! I’ve been rocking MSSE since 2010 and never looked back. Chris Wright Network Administrator From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 8:40 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Windows 10 update speed The only time I ever got a

Re: [AFMUG] OT Tesla

My solar system stores excess energy as credit on the bill. So I can use it anytime of day. From: Rory Conaway Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 3:21 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Tesla Our rate is 5.9 cents per kWh under a special program for electric car owners. Most of

Re: [AFMUG] Windows 10 update speed

Agreed. A fully patched system used by someone competent is likely more secure than one that isn't, ran by an idiot and has AV. https://www.onmsft.com/news/google-chrome-engineer-says-windows-defender-the-only-well-behaved-av - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest

Re: [AFMUG] Windows 10 update speed

The only time I ever got a virus is when some other jerk used my computer, so having AV at all is just so other people don't get uppity with me about not having it. What I like about Defender (and MSSE before it) is that it works quietly in the background and doesn't pester me. If it doesn't

Re: [AFMUG] Sitemonitor question - different voltages

Be careful connecting +48VDC to a SiteMonitor. Verify it's a Base-II first. The old Base-I's are limited to 30 or 32VDC on both inputs. I typically connect the pwr1 input to my main rail, usually 24-28VDC so it's safe for Base-I's or Base-II's. I've been recycling a lot of old Base-I's from

Re: [AFMUG] Sitemonitor question - different voltages

We use inputs from 12V to 56V as long as it's a Base II; mix and match. They all have to be negative ground too. bp On 3/20/2017 5:24 AM, Paul McCall wrote: Can the sitemonitor have two different voltages on the 2 inputs that it monitors / powers from? We have

Re: [AFMUG] Sitemonitor question - different voltages

That's exactly what we use it for. Volts1 is utility (we use some random wall wart) and volts2 is the battery. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 8:51 AM, Josh Baird wrote: > Yes - it can

Re: [AFMUG] FW: Interference clauses in commercial tower leases

I could some language that says that for some upcoming leases. We also have an upcoming lease on a tower we are currently on and the owner says he may put his FM station there as well. I'm wondering if we can include any language that gives us recourse if he causes us problems. Paul McCall

Re: [AFMUG] Sitemonitor question - different voltages

Yes - it can accept multiple voltages on PWR1 and PWR2. Josh On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 8:24 AM, Paul McCall wrote: > Can the sitemonitor have two different voltages on the 2 inputs that it > monitors / powers from? > > > > We have a lot of them setup in the field with a 110vac

Re: [AFMUG] FW: Interference clauses in commercial tower leases

Hi Paul, We put all sorts of protections in our leases on private structures, I'm sure you do too. When we were dealing with american tower on a cell phone tower, the most they would approve was a "play nice" clause saying they would basically require any subsequent tower tenant work in good faith

[AFMUG] Sitemonitor question - different voltages

Can the sitemonitor have two different voltages on the 2 inputs that it monitors / powers from? We have a lot of them setup in the field with a 110vac – 24v wall wart to monitor commercial power. And, the 2nd input is off the 24v battery array. Batteries are all 48v now, so wondering if I

[AFMUG] FW: Interference clauses in commercial tower leases

BUMP  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall Sent: Friday, March 17, 2017 4:56 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Interference clauses in commercial tower leases Anyone have a clause that they have gotten a commercial tower provider to include in their contract, for

Re: [AFMUG] OT Tesla

Our rate is 5.9 cents per kWh under a special program for electric car owners. Most of my wife’s driving is 70mph or less and more city driving than what you probably do. We probably charge 50 miles per day average and the car gets about 3.5-4m per kWh. Our worst rate is about 10.1 cents per