Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 13.4.1 on PMP430 and alignment tone

[George Skorup]

As far as the alignment tone, I'm not sure. I thought they fixed that 
for 13.4.1. Am I remembering that the tone uses the AP BER or beacons 
frames? Maybe there's something going on there. I would try 14.1.2 on a 
430 and see if it works.


On 10/19/2016 10:33 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


OK, that makes sense, especially about 13.4.1 being the end of the 
line for FSK and 430 AP.


I’ll have to try that on the bench.  I hate over-the-air experiments 
that might result in truck rolls and pissed off customers.


I have been wondering what happens if I do auto update via an AP with 
a mix of 430 and 450 APs, I don’t think there’s a way to specify do 
one and not the other, unless it runs into no applicable update.


*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *George Skorup
*Sent:* Wednesday, October 19, 2016 10:28 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 13.4.1 on PMP430 and alignment tone

I have taken 430 SMs to 14.x on the bench. 11.2 > 12.1 > 13.4.1 > 
14.1.2. 450, 450i and 430 *SM* uses the same package file. The various 
images are all rolled together in the pxp45x pkg3's. 13.4.1 is the end 
of the road for the 430 *AP*. And FSK.


On 10/19/2016 10:14 PM, Sean Heskett wrote:

There isn't a .pkg file for OFDM 430 after 13.4.1

Also it's somewhere in the release notes or user manual but it's
been a while since I've read them and I don't remember which
version started talking about it.  It could have been in some of
the beta release notes because we beta tested most of the 14.x
builds. Check the forums too because it might have been discussed
there as well.  I'm to old to remember haha.

-Sean



On Wednesday, October 19, 2016, Ken Hohhof > wrote:

OK, that provides some clarity but also more confusion.  Not
sure I’m looking at the same document as you,  I see
Introduction on page 5.

But in the 14.1.2 release notes, I see nothing about 430 at all.

In the 14.2.1 release notes, I do see a Note that 430 SMs must
first go to 14.1.2 before 14.2.1, and a Note they will no
longer be able to talk to a 430 AP.  I am not seeing anything
about having to do the upgrade over the air (which is really
strange IMHO).  Are you seeing this explicitly stated in the
release notes, or inferring it from the fact that 13.4.1 is
that last download listed on the website for 430?

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On
Behalf Of *Sean Heskett
*Sent:* Wednesday, October 19, 2016 9:29 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 13.4.1 on PMP430 and alignment tone

Software release notes for 14.2.1 in the introduction on page
3 gives the best description. (I think it's on or near the
same page with the other releases but I'm on my phone so it's
hard to scan thru them all)

The update has to be done over the air thru SMs auto update
tho.  You can't upgrade a 430 SM on the bench past 13.4.1.

-Sean



On Wednesday, October 19, 2016, Ken Hohhof > wrote:

Do you have a link to that?  I just checked and 14.1.2,
14.2.1 and 15.0 all say 450/450i/450m no mention of 430,
also on the download page if you select 430 the latest FW
shown is 13.4.1.

We gained a lot of stability with 14.1.2 and it would be
nice if we could bring the 430 SMs up to that.  I’m not so
sure about 14.2.1, and 15.0 seems to be mostly to support
450m.

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of
*Sean Heskett
*Sent:* Wednesday, October 19, 2016 6:38 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 13.4.1 on PMP430 and
alignment tone

Thru auto update from the AP over the air 430 SMs can and
should be brought up to whatever firmware the AP is using.

If you need to connect the 430SM back to a 430 AP you'll
need to manually downgrade the SM to 13.4.1 tho.

It's in all the 14.x release notes.

-Sean

On Wednesday, October 19, 2016, Ken Hohhof
> wrote:

We have changed out all our 430 Aps for 450i, but
still have a bunch of 430 SMs running in 450
compatibility mode.  My techs keep telling me when
they do service calls, that alignment tone is broken
on those SMs.  The first time I figured bad hardware
since some roofers had bonked the dish, but as it

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 13.4.1 on PMP430 and alignment tone

[George Skorup]

Yeah, CNUT, the various releases, upgrade paths, etc. is a pain and can 
be confusing.


So you have 430 and 450 APs deployed. The only package added to or 
enabled in your package list is say 14.1.2. If you enable auto-update on 
the 430 APs, it should say no packages available. If you have 13.4.1 
OFDM in the list and enable auto-update on the 430 APs, then *all* SMs 
will be sent the 13.4.1 image. If you have some 430 SMs on 14.1.2, then 
they'll downgrade. And if you have SMs on 12.1, then they'll upgrade. If 
you have some SMs on 11.2, then they will fail to update since they need 
12.1 first. And 13.4.1 doesn't exist for 450, only 13.4. So you have the 
14.1.2 PXP45X package in the list and enabled. CNUT knows the 430 AP 
can't use that package. But it is valid for 450/450i APs and all SMs. 
Nuckin futs indeed.


I remember your whole dilemma with having a mix of 430 SMs on various 
builds. Using auto-update would force you to use 12.1 to get the 11.2's 
up to that, but then you also had some 13.4 or 13.4.1's out there which 
would then get downgraded to 12.1. The easiest workaround for that is to 
manually add the 11.2 SMs in CNUT and update them to 12.1, then enable 
auto-update using 13.4.1 to update the entire sector. But I also recall 
that you needed to update the APs to 13.4.1 too.


This would probably get even crazier on a 450 sector with 430 interop 
SMs in the mix. But you should have no problem auto-updating to 14.1.2 
if you have your 430 SMs on 13.4.1 already. 14.2.1 is what kills 430 
mode on a 430 SM. After updating, the interop setting goes away and it 
only talks to a 450 or 450i AP. Since you have the 430 APs out of the 
picture, I think you'll be perfectly fine with 14.1.2 which still has 
430 mode if you need it for some reason. The nice thing with the 450i 
though is you have legacy mode. If you have SMs out there behind the 
times, enable that, get them updated and then turn it back off since it 
reduces throughput a bit.


Anyway...

Here's a 430 SM after updating from 13.4.1 to 14.1.2 on the bench:


And here it is after updating to 14.2.1:


And 15.0.0.1:



On 10/19/2016 10:33 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


OK, that makes sense, especially about 13.4.1 being the end of the 
line for FSK and 430 AP.


I’ll have to try that on the bench.  I hate over-the-air experiments 
that might result in truck rolls and pissed off customers.


I have been wondering what happens if I do auto update via an AP with 
a mix of 430 and 450 APs, I don’t think there’s a way to specify do 
one and not the other, unless it runs into no applicable update.


*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *George Skorup
*Sent:* Wednesday, October 19, 2016 10:28 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 13.4.1 on PMP430 and alignment tone

I have taken 430 SMs to 14.x on the bench. 11.2 > 12.1 > 13.4.1 > 
14.1.2. 450, 450i and 430 *SM* uses the same package file. The various 
images are all rolled together in the pxp45x pkg3's. 13.4.1 is the end 
of the road for the 430 *AP*. And FSK.


On 10/19/2016 10:14 PM, Sean Heskett wrote:

There isn't a .pkg file for OFDM 430 after 13.4.1

Also it's somewhere in the release notes or user manual but it's
been a while since I've read them and I don't remember which
version started talking about it.  It could have been in some of
the beta release notes because we beta tested most of the 14.x
builds. Check the forums too because it might have been discussed
there as well.  I'm to old to remember haha.

-Sean



On Wednesday, October 19, 2016, Ken Hohhof > wrote:

OK, that provides some clarity but also more confusion.  Not
sure I’m looking at the same document as you,  I see
Introduction on page 5.

But in the 14.1.2 release notes, I see nothing about 430 at all.

In the 14.2.1 release notes, I do see a Note that 430 SMs must
first go to 14.1.2 before 14.2.1, and a Note they will no
longer be able to talk to a 430 AP.  I am not seeing anything
about having to do the upgrade over the air (which is really
strange IMHO).  Are you seeing this explicitly stated in the
release notes, or inferring it from the fact that 13.4.1 is
that last download listed on the website for 430?

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On
Behalf Of *Sean Heskett
*Sent:* Wednesday, October 19, 2016 9:29 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 13.4.1 on PMP430 and alignment tone

Software release notes for 14.2.1 in the introduction on page
3 gives the best description. (I think it's on or near the
same page with the other releases but I'm on my phone so it's
hard to scan thru them all)

The update has to be done 

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 13.4.1 on PMP430 and alignment tone

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

what caused tones to stop working anyway, i dont remember the history on
it, i loved them for the fsk stuff when i was installing, but new guy techs
didnt care and broke the toners all the time so i quit making them

On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 10:32 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> OK, that makes sense, especially about 13.4.1 being the end of the line
> for FSK and 430 AP.
>
>
>
> I’ll have to try that on the bench.  I hate over-the-air experiments that
> might result in truck rolls and pissed off customers.
>
>
>
> I have been wondering what happens if I do auto update via an AP with a
> mix of 430 and 450 APs, I don’t think there’s a way to specify do one and
> not the other, unless it runs into no applicable update.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *George Skorup
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 19, 2016 10:28 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 13.4.1 on PMP430 and alignment tone
>
>
>
> I have taken 430 SMs to 14.x on the bench. 11.2 > 12.1 > 13.4.1 > 14.1.2.
> 450, 450i and 430 *SM* uses the same package file. The various images are
> all rolled together in the pxp45x pkg3's. 13.4.1 is the end of the road for
> the 430 *AP*. And FSK.
>
> On 10/19/2016 10:14 PM, Sean Heskett wrote:
>
> There isn't a .pkg file for OFDM 430 after 13.4.1
>
>
>
> Also it's somewhere in the release notes or user manual but it's been a
> while since I've read them and I don't remember which version started
> talking about it.  It could have been in some of the beta release notes
> because we beta tested most of the 14.x builds.  Check the forums too
> because it might have been discussed there as well.  I'm to old to remember
> haha.
>
>
>
> -Sean
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, October 19, 2016, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> OK, that provides some clarity but also more confusion.  Not sure I’m
> looking at the same document as you,  I see Introduction on page 5.
>
>
>
> But in the 14.1.2 release notes, I see nothing about 430 at all.
>
>
>
> In the 14.2.1 release notes, I do see a Note that 430 SMs must first go to
> 14.1.2 before 14.2.1, and a Note they will no longer be able to talk to a
> 430 AP.  I am not seeing anything about having to do the upgrade over the
> air (which is really strange IMHO).  Are you seeing this explicitly stated
> in the release notes, or inferring it from the fact that 13.4.1 is that
> last download listed on the website for 430?
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Sean Heskett
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 19, 2016 9:29 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 13.4.1 on PMP430 and alignment tone
>
>
>
> Software release notes for 14.2.1 in the introduction on page 3 gives the
> best description. (I think it's on or near the same page with the other
> releases but I'm on my phone so it's hard to scan thru them all)
>
>
>
> The update has to be done over the air thru SMs auto update tho.  You
> can't upgrade a 430 SM on the bench past 13.4.1.
>
>
>
> -Sean
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, October 19, 2016, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> Do you have a link to that?  I just checked and 14.1.2, 14.2.1 and 15.0
> all say 450/450i/450m no mention of 430, also on the download page if you
> select 430 the latest FW shown is 13.4.1.
>
>
>
> We gained a lot of stability with 14.1.2 and it would be nice if we could
> bring the 430 SMs up to that.  I’m not so sure about 14.2.1, and 15.0 seems
> to be mostly to support 450m.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Sean Heskett
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 19, 2016 6:38 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 13.4.1 on PMP430 and alignment tone
>
>
>
> Thru auto update from the AP over the air 430 SMs can and should be
> brought up to whatever firmware the AP is using.
>
>
>
> If you need to connect the 430SM back to a 430 AP you'll need to manually
> downgrade the SM to 13.4.1 tho.
>
>
>
> It's in all the 14.x release notes.
>
>
>
> -Sean
>
> On Wednesday, October 19, 2016, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> We have changed out all our 430 Aps for 450i, but still have a bunch of
> 430 SMs running in 450 compatibility mode.  My techs keep telling me when
> they do service calls, that alignment tone is broken on those SMs.  The
> first time I figured bad hardware since some roofers had bonked the dish,
> but as it keeps happening, I’m realizing it must be the firmware.
>
>
>
> I remember some FW release broke alignment tone on the 450 SMs and so we
> waited until the fixed it.  I don’t remember which release broke it and
> which release fixed it.
>
>
>
> But the release notes tell you that for compatibility with 450i you should
> have 430 SMs on 13.4.1, plus I think that’s the end of the line for 430,
> right?  We can’t go to 14.1.2 which is what we have on all our 450 stuff.
>
>
>
> Does anyone know if in fact alignment tone is non functional on a 430 SM
> with 13.4.1?
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] [OT][Politics]

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

As did Al Gore in 2000?

  - Original Message - 
  From: Jaime Solorza 
  To: Animal Farm 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 9:41 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT][Politics]


  He fucked himself with vote question... 



  On Oct 19, 2016 8:29 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

Goes to character...cheat on wife cheat on all



On Oct 19, 2016 8:13 PM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:

  I don't know. I don't about laughing. I think they are likely shocked and 
fearful.



  On Wed, Oct 19, 2016, 9:07 PM Josh Reynolds  wrote:

We have two lying, cheating, disrespectful sociopaths on stage right 
now. Neither one can answer a straight question with a straight answer.

They BOTH likely belong in jail, not running for the highest office in 
the United States.

This is terrible. Disgraceful. We are the laughing stock of the world.

Re: [AFMUG] [OT][Politics]

[Josh Reynolds]

You respect the office, not the man or woman.

I... I'm done. I don't think I want to be in any more discussion at all
about this election or any others at this point on here.

What. The. Fuck.

On Oct 19, 2016 11:29 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
wrote:

> a mutt is a lowlife , and i wouldnt have called him that prior to this
> election, when he turned his position of authority into a political
> platform for demeaning the integrity of the election process he lost the
> privilege of his position (even after he blatantly lied to the american
> population and willfully fucked them with the aca and the lies like, you
> can keep your plan and your doctor, and the coverage i had prior at about
> 4800/year would have cost me 24k, so yeah, fuck him then too). I am not in
> the military, and Im glad im not, he turned his back on you a very long
> time ago. however if i was in the military i would not have called him the
> mutt he is, i would have kept my mouth shut as would have been my duty. I
> can think of may phrases much worse than calling someone a low life.
>
> you talk about a commander in chief commanding respect when hes created
> and an environment where Janaye Ervin can sit and livestream herself
> sitting during the national anthem while on active duty and there is even a
> question of whether she is going to be disciplined. so as a civillian,
> yeah, hes a mutt
>
> On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 11:12 PM, Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
>
>> The first time I ignored it.
>>
>> The second time I did a double take and though "did he really just call
>> the President of the United States a MUTT?"!?
>>
>> As an American citizen, I'm ashamed of that and I didn't even say it. As
>> a combat veteran, that was my Commander-In-Chief - saying that in uniform,
>> regardless of the man or woman in office would get you court martialed and
>> kicked out of the military with a dishonorable discharge... Forever ruining
>> you chances at decent employment, amongst many other things.
>>
>> Like him or not, shame on you. That's as unAmerican a phrase as I can
>> think of, and lacks basic human decency.
>>
>> On Oct 19, 2016 10:32 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Rats run, the "establishment" is full of rats, so are swamps. Military
>>> personnel captured bin laden, the mutt in the whitehouse was playing
>>> spades, he didnt capture anybody, he didnt collect intelligence, he didnt
>>> build any of the infrastructure used to gather intel, he didnt build the
>>> operative system that was in play that led to the ability of our military
>>> personel to capture him. good job to him though for taking time out of his
>>> card game to give the go ahead.
>>>
>>> Have you not listened to a word he said, crime and drugs are the biggest
>>> issues he talks about coming over the border. Hes been very clear, lock
>>> down the border, get those here illegally out (i dont agree with this
>>> directly, and i dont suspect he will "break up families") once its secure,
>>> refocus resources on the completely fucked system that caused a 7 year
>>> process, streamline it so these people who didnt want to do the work to
>>> come in right the first time can get back in line, and maybe they wont have
>>> to wait as long.
>>>
>>> you think mexicans are the old bags priority? shit. they dont have any
>>> money, theyll be put out anyway at the end of the day by her, the money is
>>> in the ones that come from the sand
>>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 10:20 PM, Jaime Solorza <
>>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 You called our president a mutt?  Real patriot... Who the fuck got Bin
 Laden?   I have the balls to admit Hillary is not perfect... But Trump is a
 fucking idiot... When have you seen so many Republicans distance themselves
 from their nominee, even vote for other candidate?   He doesn't know shit
 about the border and our problems... Drugs are the main problem not poor
 people who take the shit jobs you guys don't want to do..  No matter the
 pay... Only farmers and ranchers born into it work as hard in heat and
 tough conditions... And fact is many of these immigrants pay taxesso
 come to the border and see for yourselves the reality.   Drugs are getting
 in sometimes with help of border patrol for $...because of demand.   No
 demand, no supply... What no one, not even Obama or others has done is go
 into these countries and eradicate the fields... We tried a bit in Columbia
 but it should be an all out war... Our scientists know how to eliminate
 cocaine and heroin(poppy)  but we have to be politically correct.  More?

 On Oct 19, 2016 8:56 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
 thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I seem to recall stuxnet was sourced to russia by those very same
> sources. you know, until it turned out it was us and isreal
>
> I have no question 

Re: [AFMUG] [OT][Politics]

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

a mutt is a lowlife , and i wouldnt have called him that prior to this
election, when he turned his position of authority into a political
platform for demeaning the integrity of the election process he lost the
privilege of his position (even after he blatantly lied to the american
population and willfully fucked them with the aca and the lies like, you
can keep your plan and your doctor, and the coverage i had prior at about
4800/year would have cost me 24k, so yeah, fuck him then too). I am not in
the military, and Im glad im not, he turned his back on you a very long
time ago. however if i was in the military i would not have called him the
mutt he is, i would have kept my mouth shut as would have been my duty. I
can think of may phrases much worse than calling someone a low life.

you talk about a commander in chief commanding respect when hes created and
an environment where Janaye Ervin can sit and livestream herself sitting
during the national anthem while on active duty and there is even a
question of whether she is going to be disciplined. so as a civillian,
yeah, hes a mutt

On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 11:12 PM, Josh Reynolds 
wrote:

> The first time I ignored it.
>
> The second time I did a double take and though "did he really just call
> the President of the United States a MUTT?"!?
>
> As an American citizen, I'm ashamed of that and I didn't even say it. As a
> combat veteran, that was my Commander-In-Chief - saying that in uniform,
> regardless of the man or woman in office would get you court martialed and
> kicked out of the military with a dishonorable discharge... Forever ruining
> you chances at decent employment, amongst many other things.
>
> Like him or not, shame on you. That's as unAmerican a phrase as I can
> think of, and lacks basic human decency.
>
> On Oct 19, 2016 10:32 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Rats run, the "establishment" is full of rats, so are swamps. Military
>> personnel captured bin laden, the mutt in the whitehouse was playing
>> spades, he didnt capture anybody, he didnt collect intelligence, he didnt
>> build any of the infrastructure used to gather intel, he didnt build the
>> operative system that was in play that led to the ability of our military
>> personel to capture him. good job to him though for taking time out of his
>> card game to give the go ahead.
>>
>> Have you not listened to a word he said, crime and drugs are the biggest
>> issues he talks about coming over the border. Hes been very clear, lock
>> down the border, get those here illegally out (i dont agree with this
>> directly, and i dont suspect he will "break up families") once its secure,
>> refocus resources on the completely fucked system that caused a 7 year
>> process, streamline it so these people who didnt want to do the work to
>> come in right the first time can get back in line, and maybe they wont have
>> to wait as long.
>>
>> you think mexicans are the old bags priority? shit. they dont have any
>> money, theyll be put out anyway at the end of the day by her, the money is
>> in the ones that come from the sand
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 10:20 PM, Jaime Solorza <
>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> You called our president a mutt?  Real patriot... Who the fuck got Bin
>>> Laden?   I have the balls to admit Hillary is not perfect... But Trump is a
>>> fucking idiot... When have you seen so many Republicans distance themselves
>>> from their nominee, even vote for other candidate?   He doesn't know shit
>>> about the border and our problems... Drugs are the main problem not poor
>>> people who take the shit jobs you guys don't want to do..  No matter the
>>> pay... Only farmers and ranchers born into it work as hard in heat and
>>> tough conditions... And fact is many of these immigrants pay taxesso
>>> come to the border and see for yourselves the reality.   Drugs are getting
>>> in sometimes with help of border patrol for $...because of demand.   No
>>> demand, no supply... What no one, not even Obama or others has done is go
>>> into these countries and eradicate the fields... We tried a bit in Columbia
>>> but it should be an all out war... Our scientists know how to eliminate
>>> cocaine and heroin(poppy)  but we have to be politically correct.  More?
>>>
>>> On Oct 19, 2016 8:56 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
>>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 I seem to recall stuxnet was sourced to russia by those very same
 sources. you know, until it turned out it was us and isreal

 I have no question russias involved, but spearheaded by putin directly?
 come on, did those 17 hack putins emails where he issued the orders?

 what happenned to china? before this election, all nefarious cybercrime
 was china with the exception of the identity/financial theft originating
 from russia.

 trump said hed make the us quit being chinas puppet and putin
 

Re: [AFMUG] OT POLITICS

[Ken Hohhof]

"I have two boys at home - my young son, and my husband."
- Melania Trump


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 11:14 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT POLITICS

For the record... I did not watch the debate because it is darn near impossible 
that it would have changed my mind.

Squirrel hair is a chump and a loser. He can not stay on message to save his 
life. I watched the synopsis of the "debate" on PBS tonight, and to a man, 
woman, whoever, they were pretty much all unanimous that the person with the 
squirrel on his head lost the debate, and probably the election big time. 
Guesstimates are that HRC will win this election by a bigger margin than Obama 
did last time.

We haven't seen the last of the man wearing the squirrel hat, but he's not 
going to be in the white house.


bp


On 10/19/2016 9:00 PM, Sean Heskett wrote:
> Trump travels through time to debate Reagan and George H.W. Bush
> https://youtu.be/A_BTODUEhPk
>
> Damn I never in my life would have thought Reagan and Bush 41 would 
> sound so much like modern democrats.  Maybe it's just good 
> editing...or maybe the wheels have completely come off the 
> modern Republican Party.
>
> I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!!!
>
> -Sean
>

Re: [AFMUG] 10G transport, what's it worth?

[TJ Trout]

keep 'em coming

On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 8:47 PM, TJ Trout  wrote:

> awesome guys!
>
> On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 8:12 PM, Tushar Patel  wrote:
>
>> 3400 for 180 miles, level 3, via amcom.
>>
>>
>>
>> Tushar
>>
>>
>> > On Oct 19, 2016, at 10:07 PM, Roland Houin  wrote:
>> >
>> > 3400 for 100 mile, windstream via gigalinx
>> > 5 year term
>> >
>> > roland
>> >
>> >> What is the going rate for 10G of long haul transport today? I've
>> heard it may
>> > be down in the $2500 range? If you have received a competitive quote
>> recently
>> > could you give me a ball park and who the provider was? Direct or
>> through sales
>> > channel? <
>> >
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT POLITICS

[Bill Prince]

For the record... I did not watch the debate because it is darn near 
impossible that it would have changed my mind.


Squirrel hair is a chump and a loser. He can not stay on message to save 
his life. I watched the synopsis of the "debate" on PBS tonight, and to 
a man, woman, whoever, they were pretty much all unanimous that the 
person with the squirrel on his head lost the debate, and probably the 
election big time. Guesstimates are that HRC will win this election by a 
bigger margin than Obama did last time.


We haven't seen the last of the man wearing the squirrel hat, but he's 
not going to be in the white house.



bp


On 10/19/2016 9:00 PM, Sean Heskett wrote:

Trump travels through time to debate Reagan and George H.W. Bush
https://youtu.be/A_BTODUEhPk

Damn I never in my life would have thought Reagan and Bush 41 would 
sound so much like modern democrats.  Maybe it's just good 
editing...or maybe the wheels have completely come off the 
modern Republican Party.


I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!!!

-Sean

Re: [AFMUG] [OT][Politics]

[Josh Reynolds]

The first time I ignored it.

The second time I did a double take and though "did he really just call the
President of the United States a MUTT?"!?

As an American citizen, I'm ashamed of that and I didn't even say it. As a
combat veteran, that was my Commander-In-Chief - saying that in uniform,
regardless of the man or woman in office would get you court martialed and
kicked out of the military with a dishonorable discharge... Forever ruining
you chances at decent employment, amongst many other things.

Like him or not, shame on you. That's as unAmerican a phrase as I can think
of, and lacks basic human decency.

On Oct 19, 2016 10:32 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
wrote:

> Rats run, the "establishment" is full of rats, so are swamps. Military
> personnel captured bin laden, the mutt in the whitehouse was playing
> spades, he didnt capture anybody, he didnt collect intelligence, he didnt
> build any of the infrastructure used to gather intel, he didnt build the
> operative system that was in play that led to the ability of our military
> personel to capture him. good job to him though for taking time out of his
> card game to give the go ahead.
>
> Have you not listened to a word he said, crime and drugs are the biggest
> issues he talks about coming over the border. Hes been very clear, lock
> down the border, get those here illegally out (i dont agree with this
> directly, and i dont suspect he will "break up families") once its secure,
> refocus resources on the completely fucked system that caused a 7 year
> process, streamline it so these people who didnt want to do the work to
> come in right the first time can get back in line, and maybe they wont have
> to wait as long.
>
> you think mexicans are the old bags priority? shit. they dont have any
> money, theyll be put out anyway at the end of the day by her, the money is
> in the ones that come from the sand
>
> On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 10:20 PM, Jaime Solorza  > wrote:
>
>> You called our president a mutt?  Real patriot... Who the fuck got Bin
>> Laden?   I have the balls to admit Hillary is not perfect... But Trump is a
>> fucking idiot... When have you seen so many Republicans distance themselves
>> from their nominee, even vote for other candidate?   He doesn't know shit
>> about the border and our problems... Drugs are the main problem not poor
>> people who take the shit jobs you guys don't want to do..  No matter the
>> pay... Only farmers and ranchers born into it work as hard in heat and
>> tough conditions... And fact is many of these immigrants pay taxesso
>> come to the border and see for yourselves the reality.   Drugs are getting
>> in sometimes with help of border patrol for $...because of demand.   No
>> demand, no supply... What no one, not even Obama or others has done is go
>> into these countries and eradicate the fields... We tried a bit in Columbia
>> but it should be an all out war... Our scientists know how to eliminate
>> cocaine and heroin(poppy)  but we have to be politically correct.  More?
>>
>> On Oct 19, 2016 8:56 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I seem to recall stuxnet was sourced to russia by those very same
>>> sources. you know, until it turned out it was us and isreal
>>>
>>> I have no question russias involved, but spearheaded by putin directly?
>>> come on, did those 17 hack putins emails where he issued the orders?
>>>
>>> what happenned to china? before this election, all nefarious cybercrime
>>> was china with the exception of the identity/financial theft originating
>>> from russia.
>>>
>>> trump said hed make the us quit being chinas puppet and putin
>>> complimented trump, suddenly all things cyber are solely russian and only
>>> in favor of trump
>>>
>>> If i were putin, i would prefer a strong leader, strong leaders that are
>>> not allies but not enemies create global power. weak leaders like our
>>> current mutt cause irritations and weak leaders like hillary cause nuclear
>>> conflicts with wek and idle threats. no fly zone, but wont commit to
>>> shooting down violators.. no strength
>>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 9:48 PM, Jaime Solorza <
>>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 So 17 sources on Russian hacking are wrong and he is correct?Didn't
 we arrest a Russian hacker in Europe today ?   Of course in HIS mind he is
 smarter than our military and intelligence folks.

 On Oct 19, 2016 8:45 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
 wrote:

> And ICE Did Not endorse him... Get the facts
>
> On Oct 19, 2016 8:42 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
> wrote:
>
>> I will keep you in suspense.Wow
>>
>> On Oct 19, 2016 8:41 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> He fucked himself with vote question...
>>>
>>> On Oct 19, 2016 8:29 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 

Re: [AFMUG] [OT][Politics]

[Sean Heskett]

Jamie your antenna porn is always so frikin sexy 

-Sean

On Wednesday, October 19, 2016, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Ha... Touche' , but I rarely watch CNN... I am a voracious reader and
> watch several news programs... Yes I left home at 5 am to go install some
> systems in Lordsburg, NM... Got home at 645pm..I wasn't driving so I read
> and used my cellphone to keep up with events especially Mars lander.. We
> have XM on trucks.. Plus FM... Have a good night... I am tired.
>
> On Oct 19, 2016 9:42 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
>> youre a rapist or criminal? because thats who he said were bad. I think
>> youre lying, you dont commit crimes and rape. you drank the cnn koolaid and
>> let them feed you your ideas, actual audio recordings of what was said be
>> damned. I really dont know how you have time to watch cnn with all the
>> projects you are on, do you wear those google classes so you can stream it
>> while working?
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 10:37 PM, Jaime Solorza <
>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Drink the Kool Aide dude,  keep listening to Rush, Hannity, Dobbs,
>>> etc... When you can frame an erudite and lucid comment, observation or
>>> unique thought, let me know.Meanwhile I will continue to be a bad
>>> hombre as Trump said.
>>>
>>> On Oct 19, 2016 9:25 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
>>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
>>> > wrote:
>>>
 9 is not a big number to have lied, which they are, many have been
 debunked, like the one who should have known little details like whether
 armrests lift up or not if youre going to throw in a detail

 theyre lying

 he never said a thing about sexual assault, he specifically said "They
 will let you" that is called consent. None of the stories these women have
 presented indicate they let him. so the liberal argument that the
 allegations corroborate the talk is moot, and quite frankly, willful
 ignorance

 On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 10:03 PM, Jaime Solorza <
 losguyswirel...@gmail.com
 > wrote:

> That's right out of Rush Limbos crap show Even one is too fucking
> much. .I don't how you were raised but you don't touch women without their
> consent.   I shared on this list how my youngest daughter elbowed and then
> knockout punched an asshole who grabbed her last month at work event.
> Police arrested him and his lady friends who tried to attack her... I have
> four daughters and 6 granddaughters...it is a serious issue with me.  One
> of those ladies who was kissed by trump told her husband and he didn't do
> shit... Wow... I asked my Trump loving friend if he would allow Trump to 
> be
> alone with his wife or 19 year old daughter He never responded...
>
> On Oct 19, 2016 8:48 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
> 9 is not a big number
> go ask police in major murder investigations how many people confess
> to the crime who didnt do it. and thats just crazy people. Feminazis on 
> the
> other hand alot of those types have 5-10 "date rapes" under their belt
>
> On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 9:41 PM, Jaime Solorza <
> losguyswirel...@gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
>> He fucked himself with vote question...
>>
>> On Oct 19, 2016 8:29 PM, "Jaime Solorza" > > wrote:
>>
>>> Goes to character...cheat on wife cheat on all
>>>
>>> On Oct 19, 2016 8:13 PM, "Lewis Bergman" >> > wrote:
>>>
 I don't know. I don't about laughing. I think they are likely
 shocked and fearful.

 On Wed, Oct 19, 2016, 9:07 PM Josh Reynolds > wrote:

> We have two lying, cheating, disrespectful sociopaths on stage
> right now. Neither one can answer a straight question with a straight
> answer.
>
> They BOTH likely belong in jail, not running for the highest
> office in the United States.
>
> This is terrible. Disgraceful. We are the laughing stock of the
> world.
>

>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
> team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>
>
>

[AFMUG] OT POLITICS

[Sean Heskett]

Trump travels through time to debate Reagan and George H.W. Bush
https://youtu.be/A_BTODUEhPk

Damn I never in my life would have thought Reagan and Bush 41 would sound
so much like modern democrats.  Maybe it's just good editing...or maybe the
wheels have completely come off the modern Republican Party.

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!!!

-Sean

Re: [AFMUG] 10G transport, what's it worth?

[TJ Trout]

awesome guys!

On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 8:12 PM, Tushar Patel  wrote:

> 3400 for 180 miles, level 3, via amcom.
>
>
>
> Tushar
>
>
> > On Oct 19, 2016, at 10:07 PM, Roland Houin  wrote:
> >
> > 3400 for 100 mile, windstream via gigalinx
> > 5 year term
> >
> > roland
> >
> >> What is the going rate for 10G of long haul transport today? I've heard
> it may
> > be down in the $2500 range? If you have received a competitive quote
> recently
> > could you give me a ball park and who the provider was? Direct or
> through sales
> > channel? <
> >
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] [OT][Politics]

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

youre a rapist or criminal? because thats who he said were bad. I think
youre lying, you dont commit crimes and rape. you drank the cnn koolaid and
let them feed you your ideas, actual audio recordings of what was said be
damned. I really dont know how you have time to watch cnn with all the
projects you are on, do you wear those google classes so you can stream it
while working?

On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 10:37 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Drink the Kool Aide dude,  keep listening to Rush, Hannity, Dobbs, etc...
> When you can frame an erudite and lucid comment, observation or unique
> thought, let me know.Meanwhile I will continue to be a bad hombre as
> Trump said.
>
> On Oct 19, 2016 9:25 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> 9 is not a big number to have lied, which they are, many have been
>> debunked, like the one who should have known little details like whether
>> armrests lift up or not if youre going to throw in a detail
>>
>> theyre lying
>>
>> he never said a thing about sexual assault, he specifically said "They
>> will let you" that is called consent. None of the stories these women have
>> presented indicate they let him. so the liberal argument that the
>> allegations corroborate the talk is moot, and quite frankly, willful
>> ignorance
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 10:03 PM, Jaime Solorza <
>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> That's right out of Rush Limbos crap show Even one is too fucking
>>> much. .I don't how you were raised but you don't touch women without their
>>> consent.   I shared on this list how my youngest daughter elbowed and then
>>> knockout punched an asshole who grabbed her last month at work event.
>>> Police arrested him and his lady friends who tried to attack her... I have
>>> four daughters and 6 granddaughters...it is a serious issue with me.  One
>>> of those ladies who was kissed by trump told her husband and he didn't do
>>> shit... Wow... I asked my Trump loving friend if he would allow Trump to be
>>> alone with his wife or 19 year old daughter He never responded...
>>>
>>> On Oct 19, 2016 8:48 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
>>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> 9 is not a big number
>>> go ask police in major murder investigations how many people confess to
>>> the crime who didnt do it. and thats just crazy people. Feminazis on the
>>> other hand alot of those types have 5-10 "date rapes" under their belt
>>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 9:41 PM, Jaime Solorza <
>>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 He fucked himself with vote question...

 On Oct 19, 2016 8:29 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
 wrote:

> Goes to character...cheat on wife cheat on all
>
> On Oct 19, 2016 8:13 PM, "Lewis Bergman" 
> wrote:
>
>> I don't know. I don't about laughing. I think they are likely shocked
>> and fearful.
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 19, 2016, 9:07 PM Josh Reynolds 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> We have two lying, cheating, disrespectful sociopaths on stage right
>>> now. Neither one can answer a straight question with a straight answer.
>>>
>>> They BOTH likely belong in jail, not running for the highest office
>>> in the United States.
>>>
>>> This is terrible. Disgraceful. We are the laughing stock of the
>>> world.
>>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] [OT][Politics]

[Jaime Solorza]

Drink the Kool Aide dude,  keep listening to Rush, Hannity, Dobbs, etc...
When you can frame an erudite and lucid comment, observation or unique
thought, let me know.Meanwhile I will continue to be a bad hombre as
Trump said.

On Oct 19, 2016 9:25 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
wrote:

> 9 is not a big number to have lied, which they are, many have been
> debunked, like the one who should have known little details like whether
> armrests lift up or not if youre going to throw in a detail
>
> theyre lying
>
> he never said a thing about sexual assault, he specifically said "They
> will let you" that is called consent. None of the stories these women have
> presented indicate they let him. so the liberal argument that the
> allegations corroborate the talk is moot, and quite frankly, willful
> ignorance
>
> On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 10:03 PM, Jaime Solorza  > wrote:
>
>> That's right out of Rush Limbos crap show Even one is too fucking
>> much. .I don't how you were raised but you don't touch women without their
>> consent.   I shared on this list how my youngest daughter elbowed and then
>> knockout punched an asshole who grabbed her last month at work event.
>> Police arrested him and his lady friends who tried to attack her... I have
>> four daughters and 6 granddaughters...it is a serious issue with me.  One
>> of those ladies who was kissed by trump told her husband and he didn't do
>> shit... Wow... I asked my Trump loving friend if he would allow Trump to be
>> alone with his wife or 19 year old daughter He never responded...
>>
>> On Oct 19, 2016 8:48 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> 9 is not a big number
>> go ask police in major murder investigations how many people confess to
>> the crime who didnt do it. and thats just crazy people. Feminazis on the
>> other hand alot of those types have 5-10 "date rapes" under their belt
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 9:41 PM, Jaime Solorza > > wrote:
>>
>>> He fucked himself with vote question...
>>>
>>> On Oct 19, 2016 8:29 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Goes to character...cheat on wife cheat on all

 On Oct 19, 2016 8:13 PM, "Lewis Bergman" 
 wrote:

> I don't know. I don't about laughing. I think they are likely shocked
> and fearful.
>
> On Wed, Oct 19, 2016, 9:07 PM Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
>
>> We have two lying, cheating, disrespectful sociopaths on stage right
>> now. Neither one can answer a straight question with a straight answer.
>>
>> They BOTH likely belong in jail, not running for the highest office
>> in the United States.
>>
>> This is terrible. Disgraceful. We are the laughing stock of the world.
>>
>
>>
>>
>> --
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

Re: [AFMUG] [OT][Politics]

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

two questions

can you secure an email server?
do you consider yourself a cyber-terrorism expert?

dont you thin a prerequisite for answering yes to the latter would be being
able to answer yes to the former?

On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 10:24 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Email server= BFD
>
> On Oct 19, 2016 9:20 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
> wrote:
>
>> You called our president a mutt?  Real patriot... Who the fuck got Bin
>> Laden?   I have the balls to admit Hillary is not perfect... But Trump is a
>> fucking idiot... When have you seen so many Republicans distance themselves
>> from their nominee, even vote for other candidate?   He doesn't know shit
>> about the border and our problems... Drugs are the main problem not poor
>> people who take the shit jobs you guys don't want to do..  No matter the
>> pay... Only farmers and ranchers born into it work as hard in heat and
>> tough conditions... And fact is many of these immigrants pay taxesso
>> come to the border and see for yourselves the reality.   Drugs are getting
>> in sometimes with help of border patrol for $...because of demand.   No
>> demand, no supply... What no one, not even Obama or others has done is go
>> into these countries and eradicate the fields... We tried a bit in Columbia
>> but it should be an all out war... Our scientists know how to eliminate
>> cocaine and heroin(poppy)  but we have to be politically correct.  More?
>>
>> On Oct 19, 2016 8:56 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I seem to recall stuxnet was sourced to russia by those very same
>>> sources. you know, until it turned out it was us and isreal
>>>
>>> I have no question russias involved, but spearheaded by putin directly?
>>> come on, did those 17 hack putins emails where he issued the orders?
>>>
>>> what happenned to china? before this election, all nefarious cybercrime
>>> was china with the exception of the identity/financial theft originating
>>> from russia.
>>>
>>> trump said hed make the us quit being chinas puppet and putin
>>> complimented trump, suddenly all things cyber are solely russian and only
>>> in favor of trump
>>>
>>> If i were putin, i would prefer a strong leader, strong leaders that are
>>> not allies but not enemies create global power. weak leaders like our
>>> current mutt cause irritations and weak leaders like hillary cause nuclear
>>> conflicts with wek and idle threats. no fly zone, but wont commit to
>>> shooting down violators.. no strength
>>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 9:48 PM, Jaime Solorza <
>>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 So 17 sources on Russian hacking are wrong and he is correct?Didn't
 we arrest a Russian hacker in Europe today ?   Of course in HIS mind he is
 smarter than our military and intelligence folks.

 On Oct 19, 2016 8:45 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
 wrote:

> And ICE Did Not endorse him... Get the facts
>
> On Oct 19, 2016 8:42 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
> wrote:
>
>> I will keep you in suspense.Wow
>>
>> On Oct 19, 2016 8:41 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> He fucked himself with vote question...
>>>
>>> On Oct 19, 2016 8:29 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Goes to character...cheat on wife cheat on all

 On Oct 19, 2016 8:13 PM, "Lewis Bergman" 
 wrote:

> I don't know. I don't about laughing. I think they are likely
> shocked and fearful.
>
> On Wed, Oct 19, 2016, 9:07 PM Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
>
>> We have two lying, cheating, disrespectful sociopaths on stage
>> right now. Neither one can answer a straight question with a straight
>> answer.
>>
>> They BOTH likely belong in jail, not running for the highest
>> office in the United States.
>>
>> This is terrible. Disgraceful. We are the laughing stock of the
>> world.
>>
>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>>
>>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 13.4.1 on PMP430 and alignment tone

[Ken Hohhof]

OK, that makes sense, especially about 13.4.1 being the end of the line for FSK 
and 430 AP.

 

I’ll have to try that on the bench.  I hate over-the-air experiments that might 
result in truck rolls and pissed off customers.

 

I have been wondering what happens if I do auto update via an AP with a mix of 
430 and 450 APs, I don’t think there’s a way to specify do one and not the 
other, unless it runs into no applicable update.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 10:28 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 13.4.1 on PMP430 and alignment tone

 

I have taken 430 SMs to 14.x on the bench. 11.2 > 12.1 > 13.4.1 > 14.1.2. 450, 
450i and 430 *SM* uses the same package file. The various images are all rolled 
together in the pxp45x pkg3's. 13.4.1 is the end of the road for the 430 *AP*. 
And FSK.

On 10/19/2016 10:14 PM, Sean Heskett wrote:

There isn't a .pkg file for OFDM 430 after 13.4.1 

 

Also it's somewhere in the release notes or user manual but it's been a while 
since I've read them and I don't remember which version started talking about 
it.  It could have been in some of the beta release notes because we beta 
tested most of the 14.x builds.  Check the forums too because it might have 
been discussed there as well.  I'm to old to remember haha.

 

-Sean



On Wednesday, October 19, 2016, Ken Hohhof  > wrote:

OK, that provides some clarity but also more confusion.  Not sure I’m looking 
at the same document as you,  I see Introduction on page 5.

 

But in the 14.1.2 release notes, I see nothing about 430 at all.

 

In the 14.2.1 release notes, I do see a Note that 430 SMs must first go to 
14.1.2 before 14.2.1, and a Note they will no longer be able to talk to a 430 
AP.  I am not seeing anything about having to do the upgrade over the air 
(which is really strange IMHO).  Are you seeing this explicitly stated in the 
release notes, or inferring it from the fact that 13.4.1 is that last download 
listed on the website for 430?

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com 
 ] On Behalf Of Sean 
Heskett
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 9:29 PM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 13.4.1 on PMP430 and alignment tone

 

Software release notes for 14.2.1 in the introduction on page 3 gives the best 
description. (I think it's on or near the same page with the other releases but 
I'm on my phone so it's hard to scan thru them all) 

 

The update has to be done over the air thru SMs auto update tho.  You can't 
upgrade a 430 SM on the bench past 13.4.1.

 

-Sean



On Wednesday, October 19, 2016, Ken Hohhof  > wrote:

Do you have a link to that?  I just checked and 14.1.2, 14.2.1 and 15.0 all say 
450/450i/450m no mention of 430, also on the download page if you select 430 
the latest FW shown is 13.4.1.

 

We gained a lot of stability with 14.1.2 and it would be nice if we could bring 
the 430 SMs up to that.  I’m not so sure about 14.2.1, and 15.0 seems to be 
mostly to support 450m.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 6:38 PM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 13.4.1 on PMP430 and alignment tone

 

Thru auto update from the AP over the air 430 SMs can and should be brought up 
to whatever firmware the AP is using.

 

If you need to connect the 430SM back to a 430 AP you'll need to manually 
downgrade the SM to 13.4.1 tho.

 

It's in all the 14.x release notes.

 

-Sean 

On Wednesday, October 19, 2016, Ken Hohhof  > wrote:

We have changed out all our 430 Aps for 450i, but still have a bunch of 430 SMs 
running in 450 compatibility mode.  My techs keep telling me when they do 
service calls, that alignment tone is broken on those SMs.  The first time I 
figured bad hardware since some roofers had bonked the dish, but as it keeps 
happening, I’m realizing it must be the firmware.

 

I remember some FW release broke alignment tone on the 450 SMs and so we waited 
until the fixed it.  I don’t remember which release broke it and which release 
fixed it.

 

But the release notes tell you that for compatibility with 450i you should have 
430 SMs on 13.4.1, plus I think that’s the end of the line for 430, right?  We 
can’t go to 14.1.2 which is what we have on all our 450 stuff.

 

Does anyone know if in fact alignment tone is non functional on a 430 SM with 
13.4.1?

 

Re: [AFMUG] [OT][Politics]

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

Rats run, the "establishment" is full of rats, so are swamps. Military
personnel captured bin laden, the mutt in the whitehouse was playing
spades, he didnt capture anybody, he didnt collect intelligence, he didnt
build any of the infrastructure used to gather intel, he didnt build the
operative system that was in play that led to the ability of our military
personel to capture him. good job to him though for taking time out of his
card game to give the go ahead.

Have you not listened to a word he said, crime and drugs are the biggest
issues he talks about coming over the border. Hes been very clear, lock
down the border, get those here illegally out (i dont agree with this
directly, and i dont suspect he will "break up families") once its secure,
refocus resources on the completely fucked system that caused a 7 year
process, streamline it so these people who didnt want to do the work to
come in right the first time can get back in line, and maybe they wont have
to wait as long.

you think mexicans are the old bags priority? shit. they dont have any
money, theyll be put out anyway at the end of the day by her, the money is
in the ones that come from the sand

On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 10:20 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> You called our president a mutt?  Real patriot... Who the fuck got Bin
> Laden?   I have the balls to admit Hillary is not perfect... But Trump is a
> fucking idiot... When have you seen so many Republicans distance themselves
> from their nominee, even vote for other candidate?   He doesn't know shit
> about the border and our problems... Drugs are the main problem not poor
> people who take the shit jobs you guys don't want to do..  No matter the
> pay... Only farmers and ranchers born into it work as hard in heat and
> tough conditions... And fact is many of these immigrants pay taxesso
> come to the border and see for yourselves the reality.   Drugs are getting
> in sometimes with help of border patrol for $...because of demand.   No
> demand, no supply... What no one, not even Obama or others has done is go
> into these countries and eradicate the fields... We tried a bit in Columbia
> but it should be an all out war... Our scientists know how to eliminate
> cocaine and heroin(poppy)  but we have to be politically correct.  More?
>
> On Oct 19, 2016 8:56 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I seem to recall stuxnet was sourced to russia by those very same
>> sources. you know, until it turned out it was us and isreal
>>
>> I have no question russias involved, but spearheaded by putin directly?
>> come on, did those 17 hack putins emails where he issued the orders?
>>
>> what happenned to china? before this election, all nefarious cybercrime
>> was china with the exception of the identity/financial theft originating
>> from russia.
>>
>> trump said hed make the us quit being chinas puppet and putin
>> complimented trump, suddenly all things cyber are solely russian and only
>> in favor of trump
>>
>> If i were putin, i would prefer a strong leader, strong leaders that are
>> not allies but not enemies create global power. weak leaders like our
>> current mutt cause irritations and weak leaders like hillary cause nuclear
>> conflicts with wek and idle threats. no fly zone, but wont commit to
>> shooting down violators.. no strength
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 9:48 PM, Jaime Solorza > > wrote:
>>
>>> So 17 sources on Russian hacking are wrong and he is correct?Didn't
>>> we arrest a Russian hacker in Europe today ?   Of course in HIS mind he is
>>> smarter than our military and intelligence folks.
>>>
>>> On Oct 19, 2016 8:45 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 And ICE Did Not endorse him... Get the facts

 On Oct 19, 2016 8:42 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
 wrote:

> I will keep you in suspense.Wow
>
> On Oct 19, 2016 8:41 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
> wrote:
>
>> He fucked himself with vote question...
>>
>> On Oct 19, 2016 8:29 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Goes to character...cheat on wife cheat on all
>>>
>>> On Oct 19, 2016 8:13 PM, "Lewis Bergman" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I don't know. I don't about laughing. I think they are likely
 shocked and fearful.

 On Wed, Oct 19, 2016, 9:07 PM Josh Reynolds 
 wrote:

> We have two lying, cheating, disrespectful sociopaths on stage
> right now. Neither one can answer a straight question with a straight
> answer.
>
> They BOTH likely belong in jail, not running for the highest
> office in the United States.
>
> This is terrible. Disgraceful. We are the laughing stock of the
> world.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 13.4.1 on PMP430 and alignment tone

[Sean Heskett]

Really...that's interesting George.  I guess I never tried since there
wasn't a .pkg file.  Good to know!!!

Ken cambium is very un-clear about all of it for sure...it's not just you ;)

-Sean


On Wednesday, October 19, 2016, George Skorup  wrote:

> I have taken 430 SMs to 14.x on the bench. 11.2 > 12.1 > 13.4.1 > 14.1.2.
> 450, 450i and 430 *SM* uses the same package file. The various images are
> all rolled together in the pxp45x pkg3's. 13.4.1 is the end of the road for
> the 430 *AP*. And FSK.
>
> On 10/19/2016 10:14 PM, Sean Heskett wrote:
>
> There isn't a .pkg file for OFDM 430 after 13.4.1
>
> Also it's somewhere in the release notes or user manual but it's been a
> while since I've read them and I don't remember which version started
> talking about it.  It could have been in some of the beta release notes
> because we beta tested most of the 14.x builds.  Check the forums too
> because it might have been discussed there as well.  I'm to old to remember
> haha.
>
> -Sean
>
>
> On Wednesday, October 19, 2016, Ken Hohhof  > wrote:
>
>> OK, that provides some clarity but also more confusion.  Not sure I’m
>> looking at the same document as you,  I see Introduction on page 5.
>>
>>
>>
>> But in the 14.1.2 release notes, I see nothing about 430 at all.
>>
>>
>>
>> In the 14.2.1 release notes, I do see a Note that 430 SMs must first go
>> to 14.1.2 before 14.2.1, and a Note they will no longer be able to talk to
>> a 430 AP.  I am not seeing anything about having to do the upgrade over the
>> air (which is really strange IMHO).  Are you seeing this explicitly stated
>> in the release notes, or inferring it from the fact that 13.4.1 is that
>> last download listed on the website for 430?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Sean Heskett
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 19, 2016 9:29 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 13.4.1 on PMP430 and alignment tone
>>
>>
>>
>> Software release notes for 14.2.1 in the introduction on page 3 gives the
>> best description. (I think it's on or near the same page with the other
>> releases but I'm on my phone so it's hard to scan thru them all)
>>
>>
>>
>> The update has to be done over the air thru SMs auto update tho.  You
>> can't upgrade a 430 SM on the bench past 13.4.1.
>>
>>
>>
>> -Sean
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, October 19, 2016, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>
>> Do you have a link to that?  I just checked and 14.1.2, 14.2.1 and 15.0
>> all say 450/450i/450m no mention of 430, also on the download page if you
>> select 430 the latest FW shown is 13.4.1.
>>
>>
>>
>> We gained a lot of stability with 14.1.2 and it would be nice if we could
>> bring the 430 SMs up to that.  I’m not so sure about 14.2.1, and 15.0 seems
>> to be mostly to support 450m.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Sean Heskett
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 19, 2016 6:38 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 13.4.1 on PMP430 and alignment tone
>>
>>
>>
>> Thru auto update from the AP over the air 430 SMs can and should be
>> brought up to whatever firmware the AP is using.
>>
>>
>>
>> If you need to connect the 430SM back to a 430 AP you'll need to manually
>> downgrade the SM to 13.4.1 tho.
>>
>>
>>
>> It's in all the 14.x release notes.
>>
>>
>>
>> -Sean
>>
>> On Wednesday, October 19, 2016, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>
>> We have changed out all our 430 Aps for 450i, but still have a bunch of
>> 430 SMs running in 450 compatibility mode.  My techs keep telling me when
>> they do service calls, that alignment tone is broken on those SMs.  The
>> first time I figured bad hardware since some roofers had bonked the dish,
>> but as it keeps happening, I’m realizing it must be the firmware.
>>
>>
>>
>> I remember some FW release broke alignment tone on the 450 SMs and so we
>> waited until the fixed it.  I don’t remember which release broke it and
>> which release fixed it.
>>
>>
>>
>> But the release notes tell you that for compatibility with 450i you
>> should have 430 SMs on 13.4.1, plus I think that’s the end of the line for
>> 430, right?  We can’t go to 14.1.2 which is what we have on all our 450
>> stuff.
>>
>>
>>
>> Does anyone know if in fact alignment tone is non functional on a 430 SM
>> with 13.4.1?
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 13.4.1 on PMP430 and alignment tone

[Ken Hohhof]

OK, I’ll dig some more.  I do have to say to Cambium, why do you make important 
things so confusing?  Part of the fault may be on the part of the confusee not 
the confuser.  But the same thing happened to me on auto update via the AP if 
you have the IP address on the SM configured as  “Public”, for years the user 
guide had me convinced that did not work so I never even tried it.

 

Can anyone answer whether audible alignment is broken with 13.4.1?  I’m 
thinking it is, but I thought they fixed that bug before 13.4.1.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 10:15 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 13.4.1 on PMP430 and alignment tone

 

There isn't a .pkg file for OFDM 430 after 13.4.1

 

Also it's somewhere in the release notes or user manual but it's been a while 
since I've read them and I don't remember which version started talking about 
it.  It could have been in some of the beta release notes because we beta 
tested most of the 14.x builds.  Check the forums too because it might have 
been discussed there as well.  I'm to old to remember haha.

 

-Sean



On Wednesday, October 19, 2016, Ken Hohhof  > wrote:

OK, that provides some clarity but also more confusion.  Not sure I’m looking 
at the same document as you,  I see Introduction on page 5.

 

But in the 14.1.2 release notes, I see nothing about 430 at all.

 

In the 14.2.1 release notes, I do see a Note that 430 SMs must first go to 
14.1.2 before 14.2.1, and a Note they will no longer be able to talk to a 430 
AP.  I am not seeing anything about having to do the upgrade over the air 
(which is really strange IMHO).  Are you seeing this explicitly stated in the 
release notes, or inferring it from the fact that 13.4.1 is that last download 
listed on the website for 430?

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com 
 ] On Behalf Of Sean 
Heskett
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 9:29 PM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 13.4.1 on PMP430 and alignment tone

 

Software release notes for 14.2.1 in the introduction on page 3 gives the best 
description. (I think it's on or near the same page with the other releases but 
I'm on my phone so it's hard to scan thru them all) 

 

The update has to be done over the air thru SMs auto update tho.  You can't 
upgrade a 430 SM on the bench past 13.4.1.

 

-Sean



On Wednesday, October 19, 2016, Ken Hohhof  > wrote:

Do you have a link to that?  I just checked and 14.1.2, 14.2.1 and 15.0 all say 
450/450i/450m no mention of 430, also on the download page if you select 430 
the latest FW shown is 13.4.1.

 

We gained a lot of stability with 14.1.2 and it would be nice if we could bring 
the 430 SMs up to that.  I’m not so sure about 14.2.1, and 15.0 seems to be 
mostly to support 450m.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 6:38 PM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 13.4.1 on PMP430 and alignment tone

 

Thru auto update from the AP over the air 430 SMs can and should be brought up 
to whatever firmware the AP is using.

 

If you need to connect the 430SM back to a 430 AP you'll need to manually 
downgrade the SM to 13.4.1 tho.

 

It's in all the 14.x release notes.

 

-Sean 

On Wednesday, October 19, 2016, Ken Hohhof  > wrote:

We have changed out all our 430 Aps for 450i, but still have a bunch of 430 SMs 
running in 450 compatibility mode.  My techs keep telling me when they do 
service calls, that alignment tone is broken on those SMs.  The first time I 
figured bad hardware since some roofers had bonked the dish, but as it keeps 
happening, I’m realizing it must be the firmware.

 

I remember some FW release broke alignment tone on the 450 SMs and so we waited 
until the fixed it.  I don’t remember which release broke it and which release 
fixed it.

 

But the release notes tell you that for compatibility with 450i you should have 
430 SMs on 13.4.1, plus I think that’s the end of the line for 430, right?  We 
can’t go to 14.1.2 which is what we have on all our 450 stuff.

 

Does anyone know if in fact alignment tone is non functional on a 430 SM with 
13.4.1?

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 13.4.1 on PMP430 and alignment tone

[George Skorup]

I have taken 430 SMs to 14.x on the bench. 11.2 > 12.1 > 13.4.1 > 
14.1.2. 450, 450i and 430 *SM* uses the same package file. The various 
images are all rolled together in the pxp45x pkg3's. 13.4.1 is the end 
of the road for the 430 *AP*. And FSK.


On 10/19/2016 10:14 PM, Sean Heskett wrote:

There isn't a .pkg file for OFDM 430 after 13.4.1

Also it's somewhere in the release notes or user manual but it's been 
a while since I've read them and I don't remember which version 
started talking about it.  It could have been in some of the beta 
release notes because we beta tested most of the 14.x builds.  Check 
the forums too because it might have been discussed there as well.  
I'm to old to remember haha.


-Sean


On Wednesday, October 19, 2016, Ken Hohhof > wrote:


OK, that provides some clarity but also more confusion. Not sure
I’m looking at the same document as you,  I see Introduction on
page 5.

But in the 14.1.2 release notes, I see nothing about 430 at all.

In the 14.2.1 release notes, I do see a Note that 430 SMs must
first go to 14.1.2 before 14.2.1, and a Note they will no longer
be able to talk to a 430 AP.  I am not seeing anything about
having to do the upgrade over the air (which is really strange
IMHO).  Are you seeing this explicitly stated in the release
notes, or inferring it from the fact that 13.4.1 is that last
download listed on the website for 430?

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On Behalf
Of *Sean Heskett
*Sent:* Wednesday, October 19, 2016 9:29 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 13.4.1 on PMP430 and alignment tone

Software release notes for 14.2.1 in the introduction on page 3
gives the best description. (I think it's on or near the same page
with the other releases but I'm on my phone so it's hard to scan
thru them all)

The update has to be done over the air thru SMs auto update tho. 
You can't upgrade a 430 SM on the bench past 13.4.1.


-Sean



On Wednesday, October 19, 2016, Ken Hohhof > wrote:

Do you have a link to that?  I just checked and 14.1.2, 14.2.1
and 15.0 all say 450/450i/450m no mention of 430, also on the
download page if you select 430 the latest FW shown is 13.4.1.

We gained a lot of stability with 14.1.2 and it would be nice
if we could bring the 430 SMs up to that.  I’m not so sure
about 14.2.1, and 15.0 seems to be mostly to support 450m.

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Sean
Heskett
*Sent:* Wednesday, October 19, 2016 6:38 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 13.4.1 on PMP430 and alignment tone

Thru auto update from the AP over the air 430 SMs can and
should be brought up to whatever firmware the AP is using.

If you need to connect the 430SM back to a 430 AP you'll need
to manually downgrade the SM to 13.4.1 tho.

It's in all the 14.x release notes.

-Sean

On Wednesday, October 19, 2016, Ken Hohhof 
wrote:

We have changed out all our 430 Aps for 450i, but still
have a bunch of 430 SMs running in 450 compatibility
mode.  My techs keep telling me when they do service
calls, that alignment tone is broken on those SMs.  The
first time I figured bad hardware since some roofers had
bonked the dish, but as it keeps happening, I’m realizing
it must be the firmware.

I remember some FW release broke alignment tone on the 450
SMs and so we waited until the fixed it.  I don’t remember
which release broke it and which release fixed it.

But the release notes tell you that for compatibility with
450i you should have 430 SMs on 13.4.1, plus I think
that’s the end of the line for 430, right?  We can’t go to
14.1.2 which is what we have on all our 450 stuff.

Does anyone know if in fact alignment tone is non
functional on a 430 SM with 13.4.1?

Re: [AFMUG] [OT][Politics]

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

9 is not a big number to have lied, which they are, many have been
debunked, like the one who should have known little details like whether
armrests lift up or not if youre going to throw in a detail

theyre lying

he never said a thing about sexual assault, he specifically said "They will
let you" that is called consent. None of the stories these women have
presented indicate they let him. so the liberal argument that the
allegations corroborate the talk is moot, and quite frankly, willful
ignorance

On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 10:03 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> That's right out of Rush Limbos crap show Even one is too fucking
> much. .I don't how you were raised but you don't touch women without their
> consent.   I shared on this list how my youngest daughter elbowed and then
> knockout punched an asshole who grabbed her last month at work event.
> Police arrested him and his lady friends who tried to attack her... I have
> four daughters and 6 granddaughters...it is a serious issue with me.  One
> of those ladies who was kissed by trump told her husband and he didn't do
> shit... Wow... I asked my Trump loving friend if he would allow Trump to be
> alone with his wife or 19 year old daughter He never responded...
>
> On Oct 19, 2016 8:48 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> 9 is not a big number
> go ask police in major murder investigations how many people confess to
> the crime who didnt do it. and thats just crazy people. Feminazis on the
> other hand alot of those types have 5-10 "date rapes" under their belt
>
> On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 9:41 PM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> He fucked himself with vote question...
>>
>> On Oct 19, 2016 8:29 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Goes to character...cheat on wife cheat on all
>>>
>>> On Oct 19, 2016 8:13 PM, "Lewis Bergman" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I don't know. I don't about laughing. I think they are likely shocked
 and fearful.

 On Wed, Oct 19, 2016, 9:07 PM Josh Reynolds 
 wrote:

> We have two lying, cheating, disrespectful sociopaths on stage right
> now. Neither one can answer a straight question with a straight answer.
>
> They BOTH likely belong in jail, not running for the highest office in
> the United States.
>
> This is terrible. Disgraceful. We are the laughing stock of the world.
>

>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>
>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] [OT][Politics]

[Jaime Solorza]

Email server= BFD

On Oct 19, 2016 9:20 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

> You called our president a mutt?  Real patriot... Who the fuck got Bin
> Laden?   I have the balls to admit Hillary is not perfect... But Trump is a
> fucking idiot... When have you seen so many Republicans distance themselves
> from their nominee, even vote for other candidate?   He doesn't know shit
> about the border and our problems... Drugs are the main problem not poor
> people who take the shit jobs you guys don't want to do..  No matter the
> pay... Only farmers and ranchers born into it work as hard in heat and
> tough conditions... And fact is many of these immigrants pay taxesso
> come to the border and see for yourselves the reality.   Drugs are getting
> in sometimes with help of border patrol for $...because of demand.   No
> demand, no supply... What no one, not even Obama or others has done is go
> into these countries and eradicate the fields... We tried a bit in Columbia
> but it should be an all out war... Our scientists know how to eliminate
> cocaine and heroin(poppy)  but we have to be politically correct.  More?
>
> On Oct 19, 2016 8:56 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I seem to recall stuxnet was sourced to russia by those very same
>> sources. you know, until it turned out it was us and isreal
>>
>> I have no question russias involved, but spearheaded by putin directly?
>> come on, did those 17 hack putins emails where he issued the orders?
>>
>> what happenned to china? before this election, all nefarious cybercrime
>> was china with the exception of the identity/financial theft originating
>> from russia.
>>
>> trump said hed make the us quit being chinas puppet and putin
>> complimented trump, suddenly all things cyber are solely russian and only
>> in favor of trump
>>
>> If i were putin, i would prefer a strong leader, strong leaders that are
>> not allies but not enemies create global power. weak leaders like our
>> current mutt cause irritations and weak leaders like hillary cause nuclear
>> conflicts with wek and idle threats. no fly zone, but wont commit to
>> shooting down violators.. no strength
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 9:48 PM, Jaime Solorza > > wrote:
>>
>>> So 17 sources on Russian hacking are wrong and he is correct?Didn't
>>> we arrest a Russian hacker in Europe today ?   Of course in HIS mind he is
>>> smarter than our military and intelligence folks.
>>>
>>> On Oct 19, 2016 8:45 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 And ICE Did Not endorse him... Get the facts

 On Oct 19, 2016 8:42 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
 wrote:

> I will keep you in suspense.Wow
>
> On Oct 19, 2016 8:41 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
> wrote:
>
>> He fucked himself with vote question...
>>
>> On Oct 19, 2016 8:29 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Goes to character...cheat on wife cheat on all
>>>
>>> On Oct 19, 2016 8:13 PM, "Lewis Bergman" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I don't know. I don't about laughing. I think they are likely
 shocked and fearful.

 On Wed, Oct 19, 2016, 9:07 PM Josh Reynolds 
 wrote:

> We have two lying, cheating, disrespectful sociopaths on stage
> right now. Neither one can answer a straight question with a straight
> answer.
>
> They BOTH likely belong in jail, not running for the highest
> office in the United States.
>
> This is terrible. Disgraceful. We are the laughing stock of the
> world.
>

>>
>>
>> --
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] [OT][Politics]

[Jaime Solorza]

You called our president a mutt?  Real patriot... Who the fuck got Bin
Laden?   I have the balls to admit Hillary is not perfect... But Trump is a
fucking idiot... When have you seen so many Republicans distance themselves
from their nominee, even vote for other candidate?   He doesn't know shit
about the border and our problems... Drugs are the main problem not poor
people who take the shit jobs you guys don't want to do..  No matter the
pay... Only farmers and ranchers born into it work as hard in heat and
tough conditions... And fact is many of these immigrants pay taxesso
come to the border and see for yourselves the reality.   Drugs are getting
in sometimes with help of border patrol for $...because of demand.   No
demand, no supply... What no one, not even Obama or others has done is go
into these countries and eradicate the fields... We tried a bit in Columbia
but it should be an all out war... Our scientists know how to eliminate
cocaine and heroin(poppy)  but we have to be politically correct.  More?

On Oct 19, 2016 8:56 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
wrote:

> I seem to recall stuxnet was sourced to russia by those very same
> sources. you know, until it turned out it was us and isreal
>
> I have no question russias involved, but spearheaded by putin directly?
> come on, did those 17 hack putins emails where he issued the orders?
>
> what happenned to china? before this election, all nefarious cybercrime
> was china with the exception of the identity/financial theft originating
> from russia.
>
> trump said hed make the us quit being chinas puppet and putin complimented
> trump, suddenly all things cyber are solely russian and only in favor of
> trump
>
> If i were putin, i would prefer a strong leader, strong leaders that are
> not allies but not enemies create global power. weak leaders like our
> current mutt cause irritations and weak leaders like hillary cause nuclear
> conflicts with wek and idle threats. no fly zone, but wont commit to
> shooting down violators.. no strength
>
> On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 9:48 PM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> So 17 sources on Russian hacking are wrong and he is correct?Didn't
>> we arrest a Russian hacker in Europe today ?   Of course in HIS mind he is
>> smarter than our military and intelligence folks.
>>
>> On Oct 19, 2016 8:45 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> And ICE Did Not endorse him... Get the facts
>>>
>>> On Oct 19, 2016 8:42 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I will keep you in suspense.Wow

 On Oct 19, 2016 8:41 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
 wrote:

> He fucked himself with vote question...
>
> On Oct 19, 2016 8:29 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
> wrote:
>
>> Goes to character...cheat on wife cheat on all
>>
>> On Oct 19, 2016 8:13 PM, "Lewis Bergman" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I don't know. I don't about laughing. I think they are likely
>>> shocked and fearful.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 19, 2016, 9:07 PM Josh Reynolds 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 We have two lying, cheating, disrespectful sociopaths on stage
 right now. Neither one can answer a straight question with a straight
 answer.

 They BOTH likely belong in jail, not running for the highest office
 in the United States.

 This is terrible. Disgraceful. We are the laughing stock of the
 world.

>>>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 13.4.1 on PMP430 and alignment tone

[Sean Heskett]

There isn't a .pkg file for OFDM 430 after 13.4.1

Also it's somewhere in the release notes or user manual but it's been a
while since I've read them and I don't remember which version started
talking about it.  It could have been in some of the beta release notes
because we beta tested most of the 14.x builds.  Check the forums too
because it might have been discussed there as well.  I'm to old to remember
haha.

-Sean


On Wednesday, October 19, 2016, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> OK, that provides some clarity but also more confusion.  Not sure I’m
> looking at the same document as you,  I see Introduction on page 5.
>
>
>
> But in the 14.1.2 release notes, I see nothing about 430 at all.
>
>
>
> In the 14.2.1 release notes, I do see a Note that 430 SMs must first go to
> 14.1.2 before 14.2.1, and a Note they will no longer be able to talk to a
> 430 AP.  I am not seeing anything about having to do the upgrade over the
> air (which is really strange IMHO).  Are you seeing this explicitly stated
> in the release notes, or inferring it from the fact that 13.4.1 is that
> last download listed on the website for 430?
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
> ] *On Behalf Of *Sean
> Heskett
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 19, 2016 9:29 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 13.4.1 on PMP430 and alignment tone
>
>
>
> Software release notes for 14.2.1 in the introduction on page 3 gives the
> best description. (I think it's on or near the same page with the other
> releases but I'm on my phone so it's hard to scan thru them all)
>
>
>
> The update has to be done over the air thru SMs auto update tho.  You
> can't upgrade a 430 SM on the bench past 13.4.1.
>
>
>
> -Sean
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, October 19, 2016, Ken Hohhof  > wrote:
>
> Do you have a link to that?  I just checked and 14.1.2, 14.2.1 and 15.0
> all say 450/450i/450m no mention of 430, also on the download page if you
> select 430 the latest FW shown is 13.4.1.
>
>
>
> We gained a lot of stability with 14.1.2 and it would be nice if we could
> bring the 430 SMs up to that.  I’m not so sure about 14.2.1, and 15.0 seems
> to be mostly to support 450m.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Sean Heskett
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 19, 2016 6:38 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 13.4.1 on PMP430 and alignment tone
>
>
>
> Thru auto update from the AP over the air 430 SMs can and should be
> brought up to whatever firmware the AP is using.
>
>
>
> If you need to connect the 430SM back to a 430 AP you'll need to manually
> downgrade the SM to 13.4.1 tho.
>
>
>
> It's in all the 14.x release notes.
>
>
>
> -Sean
>
> On Wednesday, October 19, 2016, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> We have changed out all our 430 Aps for 450i, but still have a bunch of
> 430 SMs running in 450 compatibility mode.  My techs keep telling me when
> they do service calls, that alignment tone is broken on those SMs.  The
> first time I figured bad hardware since some roofers had bonked the dish,
> but as it keeps happening, I’m realizing it must be the firmware.
>
>
>
> I remember some FW release broke alignment tone on the 450 SMs and so we
> waited until the fixed it.  I don’t remember which release broke it and
> which release fixed it.
>
>
>
> But the release notes tell you that for compatibility with 450i you should
> have 430 SMs on 13.4.1, plus I think that’s the end of the line for 430,
> right?  We can’t go to 14.1.2 which is what we have on all our 450 stuff.
>
>
>
> Does anyone know if in fact alignment tone is non functional on a 430 SM
> with 13.4.1?
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 10G transport, what's it worth?

[Tushar Patel]

3400 for 180 miles, level 3, via amcom.



Tushar


> On Oct 19, 2016, at 10:07 PM, Roland Houin  wrote:
> 
> 3400 for 100 mile, windstream via gigalinx
> 5 year term
> 
> roland
> 
>> What is the going rate for 10G of long haul transport today? I've heard it 
>> may
> be down in the $2500 range? If you have received a competitive quote recently
> could you give me a ball park and who the provider was? Direct or through 
> sales
> channel? <
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 13.4.1 on PMP430 and alignment tone

[Ken Hohhof]

OK, that provides some clarity but also more confusion.  Not sure I’m looking 
at the same document as you,  I see Introduction on page 5.

 

But in the 14.1.2 release notes, I see nothing about 430 at all.

 

In the 14.2.1 release notes, I do see a Note that 430 SMs must first go to 
14.1.2 before 14.2.1, and a Note they will no longer be able to talk to a 430 
AP.  I am not seeing anything about having to do the upgrade over the air 
(which is really strange IMHO).  Are you seeing this explicitly stated in the 
release notes, or inferring it from the fact that 13.4.1 is that last download 
listed on the website for 430?

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 9:29 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 13.4.1 on PMP430 and alignment tone

 

Software release notes for 14.2.1 in the introduction on page 3 gives the best 
description. (I think it's on or near the same page with the other releases but 
I'm on my phone so it's hard to scan thru them all) 

 

The update has to be done over the air thru SMs auto update tho.  You can't 
upgrade a 430 SM on the bench past 13.4.1.

 

-Sean



On Wednesday, October 19, 2016, Ken Hohhof  > wrote:

Do you have a link to that?  I just checked and 14.1.2, 14.2.1 and 15.0 all say 
450/450i/450m no mention of 430, also on the download page if you select 430 
the latest FW shown is 13.4.1.

 

We gained a lot of stability with 14.1.2 and it would be nice if we could bring 
the 430 SMs up to that.  I’m not so sure about 14.2.1, and 15.0 seems to be 
mostly to support 450m.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com 
 ] On Behalf Of Sean 
Heskett
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 6:38 PM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 13.4.1 on PMP430 and alignment tone

 

Thru auto update from the AP over the air 430 SMs can and should be brought up 
to whatever firmware the AP is using.

 

If you need to connect the 430SM back to a 430 AP you'll need to manually 
downgrade the SM to 13.4.1 tho.

 

It's in all the 14.x release notes.

 

-Sean 

On Wednesday, October 19, 2016, Ken Hohhof  > wrote:

We have changed out all our 430 Aps for 450i, but still have a bunch of 430 SMs 
running in 450 compatibility mode.  My techs keep telling me when they do 
service calls, that alignment tone is broken on those SMs.  The first time I 
figured bad hardware since some roofers had bonked the dish, but as it keeps 
happening, I’m realizing it must be the firmware.

 

I remember some FW release broke alignment tone on the 450 SMs and so we waited 
until the fixed it.  I don’t remember which release broke it and which release 
fixed it.

 

But the release notes tell you that for compatibility with 450i you should have 
430 SMs on 13.4.1, plus I think that’s the end of the line for 430, right?  We 
can’t go to 14.1.2 which is what we have on all our 450 stuff.

 

Does anyone know if in fact alignment tone is non functional on a 430 SM with 
13.4.1?

Re: [AFMUG] 10G transport, what's it worth?

[Roland Houin]

3400 for 100 mile, windstream via gigalinx
5 year term

roland

> What is the going rate for 10G of long haul transport today? I've heard it may
be down in the $2500 range? If you have received a competitive quote recently
could you give me a ball park and who the provider was? Direct or through sales
channel? <

Re: [AFMUG] [OT][Politics]

[Jaime Solorza]

That's right out of Rush Limbos crap show Even one is too fucking much.
.I don't how you were raised but you don't touch women without their
consent.   I shared on this list how my youngest daughter elbowed and then
knockout punched an asshole who grabbed her last month at work event.
Police arrested him and his lady friends who tried to attack her... I have
four daughters and 6 granddaughters...it is a serious issue with me.  One
of those ladies who was kissed by trump told her husband and he didn't do
shit... Wow... I asked my Trump loving friend if he would allow Trump to be
alone with his wife or 19 year old daughter He never responded...

On Oct 19, 2016 8:48 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
wrote:

9 is not a big number
go ask police in major murder investigations how many people confess to the
crime who didnt do it. and thats just crazy people. Feminazis on the other
hand alot of those types have 5-10 "date rapes" under their belt

On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 9:41 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> He fucked himself with vote question...
>
> On Oct 19, 2016 8:29 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
> wrote:
>
>> Goes to character...cheat on wife cheat on all
>>
>> On Oct 19, 2016 8:13 PM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:
>>
>>> I don't know. I don't about laughing. I think they are likely shocked
>>> and fearful.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 19, 2016, 9:07 PM Josh Reynolds 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 We have two lying, cheating, disrespectful sociopaths on stage right
 now. Neither one can answer a straight question with a straight answer.

 They BOTH likely belong in jail, not running for the highest office in
 the United States.

 This is terrible. Disgraceful. We are the laughing stock of the world.

>>>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

[AFMUG] 10G transport, what's it worth?

[TJ Trout]

What is the going rate for 10G of long haul transport today? I've heard it
may be down in the $2500 range? If you have received a competitive quote
recently could you give me a ball park and who the provider was? Direct or
through sales channel?

Re: [AFMUG] [OT][Politics]

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

17 government and private individuals like the private individuals who
managed your email server Hilary? or the private individuals managing your
campaigns emails?

I have to take pause in placing a huge amount of faith in anyone who cant
maintain the integrity of an email server and still present themselves as a
global cyber-security expert

On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 9:56 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I seem to recall stuxnet was sourced to russia by those very same
> sources. you know, until it turned out it was us and isreal
>
> I have no question russias involved, but spearheaded by putin directly?
> come on, did those 17 hack putins emails where he issued the orders?
>
> what happenned to china? before this election, all nefarious cybercrime
> was china with the exception of the identity/financial theft originating
> from russia.
>
> trump said hed make the us quit being chinas puppet and putin complimented
> trump, suddenly all things cyber are solely russian and only in favor of
> trump
>
> If i were putin, i would prefer a strong leader, strong leaders that are
> not allies but not enemies create global power. weak leaders like our
> current mutt cause irritations and weak leaders like hillary cause nuclear
> conflicts with wek and idle threats. no fly zone, but wont commit to
> shooting down violators.. no strength
>
> On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 9:48 PM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> So 17 sources on Russian hacking are wrong and he is correct?Didn't
>> we arrest a Russian hacker in Europe today ?   Of course in HIS mind he is
>> smarter than our military and intelligence folks.
>>
>> On Oct 19, 2016 8:45 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> And ICE Did Not endorse him... Get the facts
>>>
>>> On Oct 19, 2016 8:42 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I will keep you in suspense.Wow

 On Oct 19, 2016 8:41 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
 wrote:

> He fucked himself with vote question...
>
> On Oct 19, 2016 8:29 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
> wrote:
>
>> Goes to character...cheat on wife cheat on all
>>
>> On Oct 19, 2016 8:13 PM, "Lewis Bergman" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I don't know. I don't about laughing. I think they are likely
>>> shocked and fearful.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 19, 2016, 9:07 PM Josh Reynolds 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 We have two lying, cheating, disrespectful sociopaths on stage
 right now. Neither one can answer a straight question with a straight
 answer.

 They BOTH likely belong in jail, not running for the highest office
 in the United States.

 This is terrible. Disgraceful. We are the laughing stock of the
 world.

>>>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>



-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] [OT][Politics]

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

I seem to recall stuxnet was sourced to russia by those very same
sources. you know, until it turned out it was us and isreal

I have no question russias involved, but spearheaded by putin directly?
come on, did those 17 hack putins emails where he issued the orders?

what happenned to china? before this election, all nefarious cybercrime was
china with the exception of the identity/financial theft originating from
russia.

trump said hed make the us quit being chinas puppet and putin complimented
trump, suddenly all things cyber are solely russian and only in favor of
trump

If i were putin, i would prefer a strong leader, strong leaders that are
not allies but not enemies create global power. weak leaders like our
current mutt cause irritations and weak leaders like hillary cause nuclear
conflicts with wek and idle threats. no fly zone, but wont commit to
shooting down violators.. no strength

On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 9:48 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> So 17 sources on Russian hacking are wrong and he is correct?Didn't we
> arrest a Russian hacker in Europe today ?   Of course in HIS mind he is
> smarter than our military and intelligence folks.
>
> On Oct 19, 2016 8:45 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
> wrote:
>
>> And ICE Did Not endorse him... Get the facts
>>
>> On Oct 19, 2016 8:42 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I will keep you in suspense.Wow
>>>
>>> On Oct 19, 2016 8:41 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 He fucked himself with vote question...

 On Oct 19, 2016 8:29 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
 wrote:

> Goes to character...cheat on wife cheat on all
>
> On Oct 19, 2016 8:13 PM, "Lewis Bergman" 
> wrote:
>
>> I don't know. I don't about laughing. I think they are likely shocked
>> and fearful.
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 19, 2016, 9:07 PM Josh Reynolds 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> We have two lying, cheating, disrespectful sociopaths on stage right
>>> now. Neither one can answer a straight question with a straight answer.
>>>
>>> They BOTH likely belong in jail, not running for the highest office
>>> in the United States.
>>>
>>> This is terrible. Disgraceful. We are the laughing stock of the
>>> world.
>>>
>>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] [OT][Politics]

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

lol yeah, ICE is an entity, it cant really edorse anybody, the union that
represents it endorsed him.

On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 9:45 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> And ICE Did Not endorse him... Get the facts
>
> On Oct 19, 2016 8:42 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
> wrote:
>
>> I will keep you in suspense.Wow
>>
>> On Oct 19, 2016 8:41 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> He fucked himself with vote question...
>>>
>>> On Oct 19, 2016 8:29 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Goes to character...cheat on wife cheat on all

 On Oct 19, 2016 8:13 PM, "Lewis Bergman" 
 wrote:

> I don't know. I don't about laughing. I think they are likely shocked
> and fearful.
>
> On Wed, Oct 19, 2016, 9:07 PM Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
>
>> We have two lying, cheating, disrespectful sociopaths on stage right
>> now. Neither one can answer a straight question with a straight answer.
>>
>> They BOTH likely belong in jail, not running for the highest office
>> in the United States.
>>
>> This is terrible. Disgraceful. We are the laughing stock of the world.
>>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] [OT][Politics]

[Jaime Solorza]

So 17 sources on Russian hacking are wrong and he is correct?Didn't we
arrest a Russian hacker in Europe today ?   Of course in HIS mind he is
smarter than our military and intelligence folks.

On Oct 19, 2016 8:45 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

> And ICE Did Not endorse him... Get the facts
>
> On Oct 19, 2016 8:42 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
> wrote:
>
>> I will keep you in suspense.Wow
>>
>> On Oct 19, 2016 8:41 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> He fucked himself with vote question...
>>>
>>> On Oct 19, 2016 8:29 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Goes to character...cheat on wife cheat on all

 On Oct 19, 2016 8:13 PM, "Lewis Bergman" 
 wrote:

> I don't know. I don't about laughing. I think they are likely shocked
> and fearful.
>
> On Wed, Oct 19, 2016, 9:07 PM Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
>
>> We have two lying, cheating, disrespectful sociopaths on stage right
>> now. Neither one can answer a straight question with a straight answer.
>>
>> They BOTH likely belong in jail, not running for the highest office
>> in the United States.
>>
>> This is terrible. Disgraceful. We are the laughing stock of the world.
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] [OT][Politics]

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

9 is not a big number
go ask police in major murder investigations how many people confess to the
crime who didnt do it. and thats just crazy people. Feminazis on the other
hand alot of those types have 5-10 "date rapes" under their belt

On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 9:41 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> He fucked himself with vote question...
>
> On Oct 19, 2016 8:29 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
> wrote:
>
>> Goes to character...cheat on wife cheat on all
>>
>> On Oct 19, 2016 8:13 PM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:
>>
>>> I don't know. I don't about laughing. I think they are likely shocked
>>> and fearful.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 19, 2016, 9:07 PM Josh Reynolds 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 We have two lying, cheating, disrespectful sociopaths on stage right
 now. Neither one can answer a straight question with a straight answer.

 They BOTH likely belong in jail, not running for the highest office in
 the United States.

 This is terrible. Disgraceful. We are the laughing stock of the world.

>>>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] [OT][Politics]

[Jaime Solorza]

And ICE Did Not endorse him... Get the facts

On Oct 19, 2016 8:42 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

> I will keep you in suspense.Wow
>
> On Oct 19, 2016 8:41 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
> wrote:
>
>> He fucked himself with vote question...
>>
>> On Oct 19, 2016 8:29 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Goes to character...cheat on wife cheat on all
>>>
>>> On Oct 19, 2016 8:13 PM, "Lewis Bergman" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I don't know. I don't about laughing. I think they are likely shocked
 and fearful.

 On Wed, Oct 19, 2016, 9:07 PM Josh Reynolds 
 wrote:

> We have two lying, cheating, disrespectful sociopaths on stage right
> now. Neither one can answer a straight question with a straight answer.
>
> They BOTH likely belong in jail, not running for the highest office in
> the United States.
>
> This is terrible. Disgraceful. We are the laughing stock of the world.
>

Re: [AFMUG] [OT][Politics]

[Jaime Solorza]

I will keep you in suspense.Wow

On Oct 19, 2016 8:41 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

> He fucked himself with vote question...
>
> On Oct 19, 2016 8:29 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
> wrote:
>
>> Goes to character...cheat on wife cheat on all
>>
>> On Oct 19, 2016 8:13 PM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:
>>
>>> I don't know. I don't about laughing. I think they are likely shocked
>>> and fearful.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 19, 2016, 9:07 PM Josh Reynolds 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 We have two lying, cheating, disrespectful sociopaths on stage right
 now. Neither one can answer a straight question with a straight answer.

 They BOTH likely belong in jail, not running for the highest office in
 the United States.

 This is terrible. Disgraceful. We are the laughing stock of the world.

>>>

Re: [AFMUG] [OT][Politics]

[Jaime Solorza]

He fucked himself with vote question...

On Oct 19, 2016 8:29 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

> Goes to character...cheat on wife cheat on all
>
> On Oct 19, 2016 8:13 PM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:
>
>> I don't know. I don't about laughing. I think they are likely shocked and
>> fearful.
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 19, 2016, 9:07 PM Josh Reynolds  wrote:
>>
>>> We have two lying, cheating, disrespectful sociopaths on stage right
>>> now. Neither one can answer a straight question with a straight answer.
>>>
>>> They BOTH likely belong in jail, not running for the highest office in
>>> the United States.
>>>
>>> This is terrible. Disgraceful. We are the laughing stock of the world.
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] [OT][Politics]

[Jaime Solorza]

Goes to character...cheat on wife cheat on all

On Oct 19, 2016 8:13 PM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:

> I don't know. I don't about laughing. I think they are likely shocked and
> fearful.
>
> On Wed, Oct 19, 2016, 9:07 PM Josh Reynolds  wrote:
>
>> We have two lying, cheating, disrespectful sociopaths on stage right now.
>> Neither one can answer a straight question with a straight answer.
>>
>> They BOTH likely belong in jail, not running for the highest office in
>> the United States.
>>
>> This is terrible. Disgraceful. We are the laughing stock of the world.
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 13.4.1 on PMP430 and alignment tone

[Sean Heskett]

Software release notes for 14.2.1 in the introduction on page 3 gives the
best description. (I think it's on or near the same page with the other
releases but I'm on my phone so it's hard to scan thru them all)

The update has to be done over the air thru SMs auto update tho.  You can't
upgrade a 430 SM on the bench past 13.4.1.

-Sean


On Wednesday, October 19, 2016, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Do you have a link to that?  I just checked and 14.1.2, 14.2.1 and 15.0
> all say 450/450i/450m no mention of 430, also on the download page if you
> select 430 the latest FW shown is 13.4.1.
>
>
>
> We gained a lot of stability with 14.1.2 and it would be nice if we could
> bring the 430 SMs up to that.  I’m not so sure about 14.2.1, and 15.0 seems
> to be mostly to support 450m.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
> ] *On Behalf Of *Sean
> Heskett
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 19, 2016 6:38 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 13.4.1 on PMP430 and alignment tone
>
>
>
> Thru auto update from the AP over the air 430 SMs can and should be
> brought up to whatever firmware the AP is using.
>
>
>
> If you need to connect the 430SM back to a 430 AP you'll need to manually
> downgrade the SM to 13.4.1 tho.
>
>
>
> It's in all the 14.x release notes.
>
>
>
> -Sean
>
> On Wednesday, October 19, 2016, Ken Hohhof  > wrote:
>
> We have changed out all our 430 Aps for 450i, but still have a bunch of
> 430 SMs running in 450 compatibility mode.  My techs keep telling me when
> they do service calls, that alignment tone is broken on those SMs.  The
> first time I figured bad hardware since some roofers had bonked the dish,
> but as it keeps happening, I’m realizing it must be the firmware.
>
>
>
> I remember some FW release broke alignment tone on the 450 SMs and so we
> waited until the fixed it.  I don’t remember which release broke it and
> which release fixed it.
>
>
>
> But the release notes tell you that for compatibility with 450i you should
> have 430 SMs on 13.4.1, plus I think that’s the end of the line for 430,
> right?  We can’t go to 14.1.2 which is what we have on all our 450 stuff.
>
>
>
> Does anyone know if in fact alignment tone is non functional on a 430 SM
> with 13.4.1?
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 13.4.1 on PMP430 and alignment tone

[George Skorup]

14.x works on 430 SMs in interop mode only. Like Sean said, if you want 
them to talk to a 430 AP again, they'll have to be downgraded to 13.4.1 
manually. But if all of your 430 APs are now out of the picture, who cares.


Yes, 15.0 is for the 450m, but it's also required for 450 and 450i SMs 
to talk to a 450m AP. The release notes say that 15.0.0.1 is 
functionally equivalent to 14.2.1 on 450 and 450i.


We're at 14.1.2 on 450 and 450i for now. It definitely feels more stable 
than 13.2.1. Like I said before, features are nice, but I need 
stability. Maybe I should bite the bullet and go to 14.2.1/15.0.0.1, but 
I know I had problems with new SMs out of the box on 13.2.1 talking to 
14.2.x APs. Which I can't have since I'm sure there's like 30 SMs in 
trucks that I don't know about. Maybe every quarter I should tell the 
guys to empty their trucks so I can load the latest software. No, 
they'll forget about the ones they have stashed away.


On 10/19/2016 8:47 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


Do you have a link to that?  I just checked and 14.1.2, 14.2.1 and 
15.0 all say 450/450i/450m no mention of 430, also on the download 
page if you select 430 the latest FW shown is 13.4.1.


We gained a lot of stability with 14.1.2 and it would be nice if we 
could bring the 430 SMs up to that.  I’m not so sure about 14.2.1, and 
15.0 seems to be mostly to support 450m.


*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Sean Heskett
*Sent:* Wednesday, October 19, 2016 6:38 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 13.4.1 on PMP430 and alignment tone

Thru auto update from the AP over the air 430 SMs can and should be 
brought up to whatever firmware the AP is using.


If you need to connect the 430SM back to a 430 AP you'll need to 
manually downgrade the SM to 13.4.1 tho.


It's in all the 14.x release notes.

-Sean

On Wednesday, October 19, 2016, Ken Hohhof > wrote:


We have changed out all our 430 Aps for 450i, but still have a
bunch of 430 SMs running in 450 compatibility mode.  My techs keep
telling me when they do service calls, that alignment tone is
broken on those SMs. The first time I figured bad hardware since
some roofers had bonked the dish, but as it keeps happening, I’m
realizing it must be the firmware.

I remember some FW release broke alignment tone on the 450 SMs and
so we waited until the fixed it.  I don’t remember which release
broke it and which release fixed it.

But the release notes tell you that for compatibility with 450i
you should have 430 SMs on 13.4.1, plus I think that’s the end of
the line for 430, right?  We can’t go to 14.1.2 which is what we
have on all our 450 stuff.

Does anyone know if in fact alignment tone is non functional on a
430 SM with 13.4.1?

Re: [AFMUG] [OT][Politics]

[Jaime Solorza]

It's your perspective..  She is not great but her answers are better and
based on fact. He denies 9 women claims.  Really?   9.   Not one not
two.   9.

On Oct 19, 2016 8:13 PM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:

> I don't know. I don't about laughing. I think they are likely shocked and
> fearful.
>
> On Wed, Oct 19, 2016, 9:07 PM Josh Reynolds  wrote:
>
>> We have two lying, cheating, disrespectful sociopaths on stage right now.
>> Neither one can answer a straight question with a straight answer.
>>
>> They BOTH likely belong in jail, not running for the highest office in
>> the United States.
>>
>> This is terrible. Disgraceful. We are the laughing stock of the world.
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] [OT][Politics]

[Lewis Bergman]

I don't know. I don't about laughing. I think they are likely shocked and
fearful.

On Wed, Oct 19, 2016, 9:07 PM Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> We have two lying, cheating, disrespectful sociopaths on stage right now.
> Neither one can answer a straight question with a straight answer.
>
> They BOTH likely belong in jail, not running for the highest office in the
> United States.
>
> This is terrible. Disgraceful. We are the laughing stock of the world.
>

Re: [AFMUG] [OT][Politics]

[Robert]

It's worse than a laughing stock...  We were supposed to be the example 
of how this sort of government was supposed to work...  Now we are going 
to be the example used by people saying that other forms of government 
are going to be better for the people.   Right now, I'm not sure they 
are not correct...


On 10/19/16 7:07 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

We have two lying, cheating, disrespectful sociopaths on stage right
now. Neither one can answer a straight question with a straight answer.

They BOTH likely belong in jail, not running for the highest office in
the United States.

This is terrible. Disgraceful. We are the laughing stock of the world.

[AFMUG] [OT][Politics]

[Josh Reynolds]

We have two lying, cheating, disrespectful sociopaths on stage right now.
Neither one can answer a straight question with a straight answer.

They BOTH likely belong in jail, not running for the highest office in the
United States.

This is terrible. Disgraceful. We are the laughing stock of the world.

Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

[Rory Conaway]

We don’t have concrete but we do have blocks and non-pens, 3 different types.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 9:57 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

You carry concrete, poles, cinder blocks, and non-pens at all times?  That is 
pretty amazing.  We usually qualify those type of jobs in advance, run back to 
grab parts, or reschedule.  What is this 'power auger' that you speak of?

On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 9:21 AM, Mark Radabaugh 
> wrote:
There is no way in hell I would ever want to work out of those vans, and there 
is no way to get all the equipment we carry in one.

32’ ladder, 28’ ladder, cable, Canopy gear in FSK 5.7 and 2.4, 430 5.7, 450 in 
900, 2.4, 3.65 integrated and connectorized, 5.7 integrated and connectorizied. 
 Ubiquiti in various flavors.  Antenna’s and power supplies for all of the 
above.  Non-Pen mounts, regular mounts, roof mounts, power supplies for all of 
the above.  Concrete and poles.  Concrete blocks for non-pen mount.  Power 
auger, post hole digger, indoor and outdoor wire and cable, tools, indoor 
supplies (wall plates, punchdowns, etc).  We would have to tow a trailer to 
carry all of that with that van - or spend hours a day digging through the 
gigantic mess in the back of the van.

One trip and done.

Mark

On Oct 18, 2016, at 9:55 AM, Rory Conaway 
> wrote:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2007-Ford-E-Series-Van-Base-Standard-Cargo-Van-2-Door-/182318024875?forcerrptr=true=item2a730048ab:g:-WcAAOSw-CpYBUjz=182318024875

Here is one with 36,000 miles.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 6:54 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

For what you pay for a new van, you can by 3 fully equipped vans with 100,000 
miles on them and still expense it.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mark Radabaugh
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 6:18 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

Lease is a straight expense on the books and you get new equipment every few 
years - but there are significant upfit costs that you lose each time you 
exchange the van.  Sure they can be built into the lease - but your still 
paying for it.

If you buy you would normally depreciate but IRS Section 179 lets you expense 
the entire thing if you want to.   Sometimes that just means you are kicking 
the tax can down the road.

I usually finance them over 48 months and figure approximately 40k with upfit.  
The last couple have been closer to 45k all in.   The oldest ones (the 
Sprinters) are about 7 years old now and were expensed and paid for long ago.   
Anything we get out of them now is just a bonus.   I prefer newer equipment for 
the trucks as it’s a significant expense and hassle when one breaks down and we 
have to reschedule work and/or have someone sitting around without a vehicle.  
The PR value of having decent looking equipment with good graphics and the 
ability to carry all of the assorted equipment to do the job in one truck roll 
is worth the extra expense.

Mark

On Oct 17, 2016, at 8:27 PM, Josh Luthman 
> wrote:

I've been buying, feels like it makes more sense.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Oct 17, 2016 8:22 PM, "Bill Prince" 
> wrote:
I think you can still write it off, but you have to do it via depreciation, 
etc. Leases are just much simpler.


bp




On 10/17/2016 5:19 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
Why can't you write off that?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Oct 17, 2016 8:17 PM, "Rory Conaway" 
> wrote:
If you aren’t taking the writeoff on leasing or purchasing, a far better value 
is getting an E-150 with 60-100K miles for $15K fully loaded with shelves, 
ladder racks, inverters, and other things we normally have to add.  eBay has 
them all the time.  Considering the drive train should last 300-500K miles 
(mines at 393K miles and runs like a top), it’s a massive savings.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 4:37 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

That sure sounds like Transit wins in your book =)

I'll get with you someday soon to figure out a time if that works for you.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 6:13 PM, Mark Radabaugh 

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 13.4.1 on PMP430 and alignment tone

[Ken Hohhof]

Do you have a link to that?  I just checked and 14.1.2, 14.2.1 and 15.0 all say 
450/450i/450m no mention of 430, also on the download page if you select 430 
the latest FW shown is 13.4.1.

 

We gained a lot of stability with 14.1.2 and it would be nice if we could bring 
the 430 SMs up to that.  I’m not so sure about 14.2.1, and 15.0 seems to be 
mostly to support 450m.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 6:38 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 13.4.1 on PMP430 and alignment tone

 

Thru auto update from the AP over the air 430 SMs can and should be brought up 
to whatever firmware the AP is using.

 

If you need to connect the 430SM back to a 430 AP you'll need to manually 
downgrade the SM to 13.4.1 tho.

 

It's in all the 14.x release notes.

 

-Sean 

On Wednesday, October 19, 2016, Ken Hohhof  > wrote:

We have changed out all our 430 Aps for 450i, but still have a bunch of 430 SMs 
running in 450 compatibility mode.  My techs keep telling me when they do 
service calls, that alignment tone is broken on those SMs.  The first time I 
figured bad hardware since some roofers had bonked the dish, but as it keeps 
happening, I’m realizing it must be the firmware.

 

I remember some FW release broke alignment tone on the 450 SMs and so we waited 
until the fixed it.  I don’t remember which release broke it and which release 
fixed it.

 

But the release notes tell you that for compatibility with 450i you should have 
430 SMs on 13.4.1, plus I think that’s the end of the line for 430, right?  We 
can’t go to 14.1.2 which is what we have on all our 450 stuff.

 

Does anyone know if in fact alignment tone is non functional on a 430 SM with 
13.4.1?

[AFMUG] Hey Sam I Am... Going to meeting?

[Jaime Solorza]

Hey Sam are you going to high speed broadband meeting in Santa Few this
Friday?

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 13.4.1 on PMP430 and alignment tone

[Sean Heskett]

Thru auto update from the AP over the air 430 SMs can and should be brought
up to whatever firmware the AP is using.

If you need to connect the 430SM back to a 430 AP you'll need to manually
downgrade the SM to 13.4.1 tho.

It's in all the 14.x release notes.

-Sean

On Wednesday, October 19, 2016, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> We have changed out all our 430 Aps for 450i, but still have a bunch of
> 430 SMs running in 450 compatibility mode.  My techs keep telling me when
> they do service calls, that alignment tone is broken on those SMs.  The
> first time I figured bad hardware since some roofers had bonked the dish,
> but as it keeps happening, I’m realizing it must be the firmware.
>
>
>
> I remember some FW release broke alignment tone on the 450 SMs and so we
> waited until the fixed it.  I don’t remember which release broke it and
> which release fixed it.
>
>
>
> But the release notes tell you that for compatibility with 450i you should
> have 430 SMs on 13.4.1, plus I think that’s the end of the line for 430,
> right?  We can’t go to 14.1.2 which is what we have on all our 450 stuff.
>
>
>
> Does anyone know if in fact alignment tone is non functional on a 430 SM
> with 13.4.1?
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: 2 suspected ISIS recruits heading to El Pasoarrested

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

I might have to convert, all us Christians got were graham crackers, no
high end cookies

On Oct 19, 2016 6:01 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

> When I was in kindergarten, we all had little rugs for nap time.  Maybe my
> parents didn’t tell me we were Muslims?  We also got milk and Salerno
> butter cookies at snack time, is that a Muslim ritual?
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 19, 2016 1:25 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: 2 suspected ISIS recruits heading to El
> Pasoarrested
>
>
>
> Or maybe sometimes a rug is just a rug.
>
>
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
>
> From: "Chuck McCown" 
>
> To: af@afmug.com
>
> Sent: 10/19/2016 1:39:54 PM
>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: 2 suspected ISIS recruits heading to El
> Pasoarrested
>
>
>
> It got hot, you got tired and thirsty.
>
>
>
> *From:* Adam Moffett
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 19, 2016 11:36 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: 2 suspected ISIS recruits heading to El
> Pasoarrested
>
>
>
> but why would a prayer rug be left in the desert?  If you carried it
> that far, why drop it?
>
>
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
>
> From: "Chuck McCown" 
>
> To: af@afmug.com
>
> Sent: 10/19/2016 1:33:17 PM
>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: 2 suspected ISIS recruits heading to El Paso
> arrested
>
>
>
> I have a friend who is the head of the border patrol union, in Yuma, I
> think.
>
> He claims that the Islamic folks are a big and increasing number of
> illegal crossings.
>
> They find prayer rugs out in the desert all the time.
>
>
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 18, 2016 7:41 PM
>
> *To:* Animal Farm
>
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT: 2 suspected ISIS recruits heading to El Paso
> arrested
>
>
>
> Somehow they thought it's really easy to travel in Mexico with proper
> IDs... You can cross into border easy enough... Getting further is
> tougher... But Mexico has changed... Not sure how far they could have made
> it.
>
> 2 suspected ISIS recruits heading to El Paso arrested
> http://www.elpasotimes.com/story/news/2016/10/18/2-
> suspected-isis-recruits-heading-el-paso-arrested/92378772/
>
>

[AFMUG] Cambium 13.4.1 on PMP430 and alignment tone

[Ken Hohhof]

We have changed out all our 430 Aps for 450i, but still have a bunch of 430
SMs running in 450 compatibility mode.  My techs keep telling me when they
do service calls, that alignment tone is broken on those SMs.  The first
time I figured bad hardware since some roofers had bonked the dish, but as
it keeps happening, I'm realizing it must be the firmware.

 

I remember some FW release broke alignment tone on the 450 SMs and so we
waited until the fixed it.  I don't remember which release broke it and
which release fixed it.

 

But the release notes tell you that for compatibility with 450i you should
have 430 SMs on 13.4.1, plus I think that's the end of the line for 430,
right?  We can't go to 14.1.2 which is what we have on all our 450 stuff.

 

Does anyone know if in fact alignment tone is non functional on a 430 SM
with 13.4.1?

Re: [AFMUG] OT: 2 suspected ISIS recruits heading to El Pasoarrested

[Ken Hohhof]

When I was in kindergarten, we all had little rugs for nap time.  Maybe my 
parents didn’t tell me we were Muslims?  We also got milk and Salerno butter 
cookies at snack time, is that a Muslim ritual?

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 1:25 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: 2 suspected ISIS recruits heading to El Pasoarrested

 

Or maybe sometimes a rug is just a rug.

 

 

-- Original Message --

From: "Chuck McCown"  >

To: af@afmug.com  

Sent: 10/19/2016 1:39:54 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: 2 suspected ISIS recruits heading to El Pasoarrested

 

It got hot, you got tired and thirsty.  

 

From: Adam Moffett 

Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 11:36 AM

To: af@afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: 2 suspected ISIS recruits heading to El Pasoarrested

 

but why would a prayer rug be left in the desert?  If you carried it that 
far, why drop it?

 

 

-- Original Message --

From: "Chuck McCown"  >

To: af@afmug.com  

Sent: 10/19/2016 1:33:17 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: 2 suspected ISIS recruits heading to El Paso arrested

 

I have a friend who is the head of the border patrol union, in Yuma, I think.

He claims that the Islamic folks are a big and increasing number of illegal 
crossings.  

They find prayer rugs out in the desert all the time.  

 

From: Jaime Solorza 

Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 7:41 PM

To: Animal Farm 

Subject: [AFMUG] OT: 2 suspected ISIS recruits heading to El Paso arrested

 

Somehow they thought it's really easy to travel in Mexico with proper IDs... 
You can cross into border easy enough... Getting further is tougher... But 
Mexico has changed... Not sure how far they could have made it.

2 suspected ISIS recruits heading to El Paso arrested
http://www.elpasotimes.com/story/news/2016/10/18/2-suspected-isis-recruits-heading-el-paso-arrested/92378772/

Re: [AFMUG] 1G/10G switch won't negotiate 1g on sfp

[TJ Trout]

show interface port  shows it's fixed 1000,full,auto-off but when the port
goes down it changes back to auto-on, I think that is a feature I read in
the manual somewhere. Or maybe it's only when I remove the transceiver,
it's been a long week, maybe that's normal?

On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 7:20 AM, Faisal Imtiaz 
wrote:

> Have you tried to put the  "duplex full" command under the interface port
> settings via the CLI ?
>
> I know changing it from the web interface does not keep the setting
> 'persistently'.
>
>
> Regards
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> --
>
> *From: *"TJ Trout" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Wednesday, October 19, 2016 3:58:59 AM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] 1G/10G switch won't negotiate 1g on sfp
>
> I have a newly deployed ibm g8124 switch and all of the ports auto default
> to auto negotiation if the port flaps, I have several 1G copper sfp, and
> several 10G DAC/SFP that always work flawlessly but i have one single 1G
> sfp that won't come up unless I manually disable auto negotiation then it
> comes up fine until the next time the link goes down, is this something
> that would likely be fixed buy firmware update or should I try another
> model SFP?
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] PTP 5Ghz

[Josh Reynolds]

Power Beam AC 620?

On Oct 19, 2016 3:18 PM, "Sterling Jacobson"  wrote:

> Does anyone have a set of UBNT dishes and radios for a PTP link that I can
> buy?
>
> Or suggest a retail complete package for a link up to $500 total?
>

[AFMUG] PTP 5Ghz

[Sterling Jacobson]

Does anyone have a set of UBNT dishes and radios for a PTP link that I can buy?

Or suggest a retail complete package for a link up to $500 total?

Re: [AFMUG] Ot but common

[Chuck McCown]

Jonathan Swift was on to something.  

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 1:35 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ot but common

Eat your children?

I know what that means from a business point of view...



bp


On 10/19/2016 12:07 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  Had a lunch time conversation about hunting which evolved to preppers which 
evolved to whatcha gonna do when the zombies come for you/end times etc.

  I decided that I will start a new survivalist philosophy called Donnerism.  
Learn to love your neighbor in ways you have never previously considered.  We 
will be the ones to fear...

  From: Jaime Solorza 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 12:51 PM
  To: Animal Farm 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ot but common

  Datura plants grew in my back yard when I first bought my second home


  On Oct 19, 2016 12:45 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:

I'll trade you for some Bison.


On Oct 19, 2016 1:44 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
 wrote:

  did someone say peyote?!

  On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 12:43 PM, Josh Reynolds  
wrote:

I have these three sea shells and some peyote. Can we trade?


On Oct 19, 2016 12:42 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

  Screw your tribe, I have the conch...

  From: Josh Reynolds 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 10:52 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ot but common

  Once upon a time, we had tribes.

  They lived together, believed in the same things, had the same 
language, same problems, etc. Same ethnic, religious, geographic ties. And so 
on..


  We still have tribes now, but the individuals in these tribes might 
be separated geographically by vast differences.

  We also have the media, which is a megaphone for issues important to 
the tribes - well at least the biggest two, everything else is marginalized and 
discredited and looked down upon. It gets even worse once you're on the 
internet.

  Critical thinking is gone. Fact checking is too time consuming for 
the masses. Facts themselves are too easy to hide or distort. There is as much 
disinformation as there is information, and its intentional to continue to 
perpetuate the system.

  I just want a small island with a temperate climate to raise my 
mini-tribe. The rest of you can fuck off ;)

  Native American Indians did it right, mostly. I wouldn't mind going 
back to that at this point. Enjoying nature. Enjoying family. Spending quality 
time. The only work to do is the work that has to get done. I'll figure out 
spears, I'm okay with bows and good with fire. No more rat race, no twitter, no 
CNN/fox, just kicking it with my fam enjoying flying through the cosmos as 
insane speeds on this ball of space dust.

  On Oct 19, 2016 11:36 AM, "Chris Wright"  wrote:
  >
  > It really is a shame that we’ve been conditioned to default to 
establishing our own world of confirmation bias. We tailor our social media by 
liking posts we agree with, and unfriending (or at least muting) posters of 
contrary material. We create our own personal worlds of yes-people and 
intelligence no longer becomes necessary. Our handicapped minds are no longer 
required to hold two conflicting ideas for the sake of critical thought. All 
this has devolved a once-functional society filled with different people who 
recognized the value of compromise into a self-centric, personalized hegemony 
of detached resonating chambers.
  >
  >  
  >
  > Guys I’m not even fully caffeinated this morning why am I even 
writing this…
  >
  >  
  >
  > Chris Wright
  >
  > Network Administrator
  >
  >  
  >
  > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy 
/sarcasm
  > Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2016 9:21 PM
  > To: af@afmug.com
  > Subject: [AFMUG] Ot but common
  >
  >  
  >
  > Can we all still be friends after this shitshow? Pleeeaase? 
Even if we can't be friends will you folks at least still offset my 
incompetence?






  -- 

  If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team 
as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Ot but common

[Bill Prince]

Eat your children?

I know what that means from a business point of view...


bp


On 10/19/2016 12:07 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Had a lunch time conversation about hunting which evolved to preppers 
which evolved to whatcha gonna do when the zombies come for you/end 
times etc.
I decided that I will start a new survivalist philosophy called 
Donnerism.  Learn to love your neighbor in ways you have never 
previously considered.  We will be the ones to fear...

*From:* Jaime Solorza
*Sent:* Wednesday, October 19, 2016 12:51 PM
*To:* Animal Farm
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ot but common

Datura plants grew in my back yard when I first bought my second home

On Oct 19, 2016 12:45 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:

I'll trade you for some Bison.

On Oct 19, 2016 1:44 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm"
 wrote:

did someone say peyote?!
On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 12:43 PM, Josh Reynolds
 wrote:

I have these three sea shells and some peyote. Can we trade?

On Oct 19, 2016 12:42 PM, "Chuck McCown" 
wrote:

Screw your tribe, I have the conch...
*From:* Josh Reynolds
*Sent:* Wednesday, October 19, 2016 10:52 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ot but common

Once upon a time, we had tribes.

They lived together, believed in the same things, had
the same language, same problems, etc. Same ethnic,
religious, geographic ties. And so on..

We still have tribes now, but the individuals in these
tribes might be separated geographically by vast
differences.

We also have the media, which is a megaphone for
issues important to the tribes - well at least the
biggest two, everything else is marginalized and
discredited and looked down upon. It gets even worse
once you're on the internet.

Critical thinking is gone. Fact checking is too time
consuming for the masses. Facts themselves are too
easy to hide or distort. There is as much
disinformation as there is information, and its
intentional to continue to perpetuate the system.

I just want a small island with a temperate climate to
raise my mini-tribe. The rest of you can fuck off ;)

Native American Indians did it right, mostly. I
wouldn't mind going back to that at this point.
Enjoying nature. Enjoying family. Spending quality
time. The only work to do is the work that has to get
done. I'll figure out spears, I'm okay with bows and
good with fire. No more rat race, no twitter, no
CNN/fox, just kicking it with my fam enjoying flying
through the cosmos as insane speeds on this ball of
space dust.

On Oct 19, 2016 11:36 AM, "Chris Wright"
 wrote:
>
> It really is a shame that we’ve been conditioned to
default to establishing our own world of confirmation
bias. We tailor our social media by liking posts we
agree with, and unfriending (or at least muting)
posters of contrary material. We create our own
personal worlds of yes-people and intelligence no
longer becomes necessary. Our handicapped minds are no
longer required to hold two conflicting ideas for the
sake of critical thought. All this has devolved a
once-functional society filled with different people
who recognized the value of compromise into a
self-centric, personalized hegemony of detached
resonating chambers.
>
>
>
> Guys I’m not even fully caffeinated this morning why
am I even writing this…
>
>
>
> Chris Wright
>
> Network Administrator
>
>
>
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of
That One Guy /sarcasm
> Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2016 9:21 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] Ot but common
>
>
>
> Can we all still be friends after this shitshow?
Pleeeaase? Even if we can't be friends will you
folks at least still offset my 

Re: [AFMUG] Ot but common

[Faisal Imtiaz]

+1 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Chuck McCown" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 3:07:24 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ot but common

> Had a lunch time conversation about hunting which evolved to preppers which
> evolved to whatcha gonna do when the zombies come for you/end times etc.
> I decided that I will start a new survivalist philosophy called Donnerism. 
> Learn
> to love your neighbor in ways you have never previously considered. We will be
> the ones to fear...
> From: Jaime Solorza
> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 12:51 PM
> To: Animal Farm
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ot but common

> Datura plants grew in my back yard when I first bought my second home
> On Oct 19, 2016 12:45 PM, "Josh Reynolds" < j...@kyneticwifi.com > wrote:

>> I'll trade you for some Bison.
>> On Oct 19, 2016 1:44 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com 
>> >
>> wrote:

>>> did someone say peyote?!
>>> On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 12:43 PM, Josh Reynolds < j...@kyneticwifi.com > 
>>> wrote:

 I have these three sea shells and some peyote. Can we trade?
 On Oct 19, 2016 12:42 PM, "Chuck McCown" < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote:

> Screw your tribe, I have the conch...
> From: Josh Reynolds
> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 10:52 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ot but common

> Once upon a time, we had tribes.

> They lived together, believed in the same things, had the same language, 
> same
> problems, etc. Same ethnic, religious, geographic ties. And so on..

> We still have tribes now, but the individuals in these tribes might be 
> separated
> geographically by vast differences.

> We also have the media, which is a megaphone for issues important to the 
> tribes
> - well at least the biggest two, everything else is marginalized and
> discredited and looked down upon. It gets even worse once you're on the
> internet.

> Critical thinking is gone. Fact checking is too time consuming for the 
> masses.
> Facts themselves are too easy to hide or distort. There is as much
> disinformation as there is information, and its intentional to continue to
> perpetuate the system.

> I just want a small island with a temperate climate to raise my 
> mini-tribe. The
> rest of you can fuck off ;)

> Native American Indians did it right, mostly. I wouldn't mind going back 
> to that
> at this point. Enjoying nature. Enjoying family. Spending quality time. 
> The
> only work to do is the work that has to get done. I'll figure out spears, 
> I'm
> okay with bows and good with fire. No more rat race, no twitter, no 
> CNN/fox,
> just kicking it with my fam enjoying flying through the cosmos as insane 
> speeds
> on this ball of space dust.

> On Oct 19, 2016 11:36 AM, "Chris Wright" < ch...@velociter.net > wrote:

>> It really is a shame that we’ve been conditioned to default to 
>> establishing our
>> own world of confirmation bias. We tailor our social media by liking 
>> posts we
>> agree with, and unfriending (or at least muting) posters of contrary 
>> material.
>> We create our own personal worlds of yes-people and intelligence no 
>> longer
>> becomes necessary. Our handicapped minds are no longer required to hold 
>> two
>> conflicting ideas for the sake of critical thought. All this has 
>> devolved a
>> once-functional society filled with different people who recognized the 
>> value
>> of compromise into a self-centric, personalized hegemony of detached 
>> resonating
> > chambers.



> > Guys I’m not even fully caffeinated this morning why am I even writing 
> > this…



> > Chris Wright

> > Network Administrator



> > From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of That One Guy 
> > /sarcasm
> > Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2016 9:21 PM
> > To: af@afmug.com
> > Subject: [AFMUG] Ot but common



>> Can we all still be friends after this shitshow? Pleeeaase? Even if 
>> we can't
> > be friends will you folks at least still offset my incompetence?

>>> --
>>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
>>> part
>>> of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Ot but common

[Chuck McCown]

Had a lunch time conversation about hunting which evolved to preppers which 
evolved to whatcha gonna do when the zombies come for you/end times etc.

I decided that I will start a new survivalist philosophy called Donnerism.  
Learn to love your neighbor in ways you have never previously considered.  We 
will be the ones to fear...

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 12:51 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ot but common

Datura plants grew in my back yard when I first bought my second home


On Oct 19, 2016 12:45 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:

  I'll trade you for some Bison.


  On Oct 19, 2016 1:44 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm"  
wrote:

did someone say peyote?!

On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 12:43 PM, Josh Reynolds  
wrote:

  I have these three sea shells and some peyote. Can we trade?


  On Oct 19, 2016 12:42 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

Screw your tribe, I have the conch...

From: Josh Reynolds 
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 10:52 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ot but common

Once upon a time, we had tribes.

They lived together, believed in the same things, had the same 
language, same problems, etc. Same ethnic, religious, geographic ties. And so 
on..


We still have tribes now, but the individuals in these tribes might be 
separated geographically by vast differences.

We also have the media, which is a megaphone for issues important to 
the tribes - well at least the biggest two, everything else is marginalized and 
discredited and looked down upon. It gets even worse once you're on the 
internet.

Critical thinking is gone. Fact checking is too time consuming for the 
masses. Facts themselves are too easy to hide or distort. There is as much 
disinformation as there is information, and its intentional to continue to 
perpetuate the system.

I just want a small island with a temperate climate to raise my 
mini-tribe. The rest of you can fuck off ;)

Native American Indians did it right, mostly. I wouldn't mind going 
back to that at this point. Enjoying nature. Enjoying family. Spending quality 
time. The only work to do is the work that has to get done. I'll figure out 
spears, I'm okay with bows and good with fire. No more rat race, no twitter, no 
CNN/fox, just kicking it with my fam enjoying flying through the cosmos as 
insane speeds on this ball of space dust.

On Oct 19, 2016 11:36 AM, "Chris Wright"  wrote:
>
> It really is a shame that we’ve been conditioned to default to 
establishing our own world of confirmation bias. We tailor our social media by 
liking posts we agree with, and unfriending (or at least muting) posters of 
contrary material. We create our own personal worlds of yes-people and 
intelligence no longer becomes necessary. Our handicapped minds are no longer 
required to hold two conflicting ideas for the sake of critical thought. All 
this has devolved a once-functional society filled with different people who 
recognized the value of compromise into a self-centric, personalized hegemony 
of detached resonating chambers.
>
>  
>
> Guys I’m not even fully caffeinated this morning why am I even 
writing this…
>
>  
>
> Chris Wright
>
> Network Administrator
>
>  
>
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy 
/sarcasm
> Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2016 9:21 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] Ot but common
>
>  
>
> Can we all still be friends after this shitshow? Pleeeaase? Even 
if we can't be friends will you folks at least still offset my incompetence?






-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Ot but common

[Jaime Solorza]

Datura plants grew in my back yard when I first bought my second home

On Oct 19, 2016 12:45 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:

> I'll trade you for some Bison.
>
> On Oct 19, 2016 1:44 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> did someone say peyote?!
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 12:43 PM, Josh Reynolds 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I have these three sea shells and some peyote. Can we trade?
>>>
>>> On Oct 19, 2016 12:42 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>>>
 Screw your tribe, I have the conch...

 *From:* Josh Reynolds
 *Sent:* Wednesday, October 19, 2016 10:52 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ot but common


 Once upon a time, we had tribes.

 They lived together, believed in the same things, had the same
 language, same problems, etc. Same ethnic, religious, geographic ties. And
 so on..

 We still have tribes now, but the individuals in these tribes might be
 separated geographically by vast differences.

 We also have the media, which is a megaphone for issues important to
 the tribes - well at least the biggest two, everything else is marginalized
 and discredited and looked down upon. It gets even worse once you're on the
 internet.

 Critical thinking is gone. Fact checking is too time consuming for the
 masses. Facts themselves are too easy to hide or distort. There is as much
 disinformation as there is information, and its intentional to continue to
 perpetuate the system.

 I just want a small island with a temperate climate to raise my
 mini-tribe. The rest of you can fuck off ;)

 Native American Indians did it right, mostly. I wouldn't mind going
 back to that at this point. Enjoying nature. Enjoying family. Spending
 quality time. The only work to do is the work that has to get done. I'll
 figure out spears, I'm okay with bows and good with fire. No more rat race,
 no twitter, no CNN/fox, just kicking it with my fam enjoying flying through
 the cosmos as insane speeds on this ball of space dust.

 On Oct 19, 2016 11:36 AM, "Chris Wright"  wrote:
 >
 > It really is a shame that we’ve been conditioned to default to
 establishing our own world of confirmation bias. We tailor our social media
 by liking posts we agree with, and unfriending (or at least muting) posters
 of contrary material. We create our own personal worlds of yes-people and
 intelligence no longer becomes necessary. Our handicapped minds are no
 longer required to hold two conflicting ideas for the sake of critical
 thought. All this has devolved a once-functional society filled with
 different people who recognized the value of compromise into a
 self-centric, personalized hegemony of detached resonating chambers.
 >
 >
 >
 > Guys I’m not even fully caffeinated this morning why am I even
 writing this…
 >
 >
 >
 > Chris Wright
 >
 > Network Administrator
 >
 >
 >
 > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy
 /sarcasm
 > Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2016 9:21 PM
 > To: af@afmug.com
 > Subject: [AFMUG] Ot but common
 >
 >
 >
 > Can we all still be friends after this shitshow? Pleeeaase? Even
 if we can't be friends will you folks at least still offset my 
 incompetence?

>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Ot but common

[Josh Reynolds]

I'll trade you for some Bison.

On Oct 19, 2016 1:44 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
wrote:

> did someone say peyote?!
>
> On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 12:43 PM, Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
>
>> I have these three sea shells and some peyote. Can we trade?
>>
>> On Oct 19, 2016 12:42 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>>
>>> Screw your tribe, I have the conch...
>>>
>>> *From:* Josh Reynolds
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 19, 2016 10:52 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ot but common
>>>
>>>
>>> Once upon a time, we had tribes.
>>>
>>> They lived together, believed in the same things, had the same language,
>>> same problems, etc. Same ethnic, religious, geographic ties. And so on..
>>>
>>> We still have tribes now, but the individuals in these tribes might be
>>> separated geographically by vast differences.
>>>
>>> We also have the media, which is a megaphone for issues important to the
>>> tribes - well at least the biggest two, everything else is marginalized and
>>> discredited and looked down upon. It gets even worse once you're on the
>>> internet.
>>>
>>> Critical thinking is gone. Fact checking is too time consuming for the
>>> masses. Facts themselves are too easy to hide or distort. There is as much
>>> disinformation as there is information, and its intentional to continue to
>>> perpetuate the system.
>>>
>>> I just want a small island with a temperate climate to raise my
>>> mini-tribe. The rest of you can fuck off ;)
>>>
>>> Native American Indians did it right, mostly. I wouldn't mind going back
>>> to that at this point. Enjoying nature. Enjoying family. Spending quality
>>> time. The only work to do is the work that has to get done. I'll figure out
>>> spears, I'm okay with bows and good with fire. No more rat race, no
>>> twitter, no CNN/fox, just kicking it with my fam enjoying flying through
>>> the cosmos as insane speeds on this ball of space dust.
>>>
>>> On Oct 19, 2016 11:36 AM, "Chris Wright"  wrote:
>>> >
>>> > It really is a shame that we’ve been conditioned to default to
>>> establishing our own world of confirmation bias. We tailor our social media
>>> by liking posts we agree with, and unfriending (or at least muting) posters
>>> of contrary material. We create our own personal worlds of yes-people and
>>> intelligence no longer becomes necessary. Our handicapped minds are no
>>> longer required to hold two conflicting ideas for the sake of critical
>>> thought. All this has devolved a once-functional society filled with
>>> different people who recognized the value of compromise into a
>>> self-centric, personalized hegemony of detached resonating chambers.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Guys I’m not even fully caffeinated this morning why am I even writing
>>> this…
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Chris Wright
>>> >
>>> > Network Administrator
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy
>>> /sarcasm
>>> > Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2016 9:21 PM
>>> > To: af@afmug.com
>>> > Subject: [AFMUG] Ot but common
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Can we all still be friends after this shitshow? Pleeeaase? Even
>>> if we can't be friends will you folks at least still offset my incompetence?
>>>
>>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Ot but common

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

did someone say peyote?!

On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 12:43 PM, Josh Reynolds 
wrote:

> I have these three sea shells and some peyote. Can we trade?
>
> On Oct 19, 2016 12:42 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>
>> Screw your tribe, I have the conch...
>>
>> *From:* Josh Reynolds
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 19, 2016 10:52 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ot but common
>>
>>
>> Once upon a time, we had tribes.
>>
>> They lived together, believed in the same things, had the same language,
>> same problems, etc. Same ethnic, religious, geographic ties. And so on..
>>
>> We still have tribes now, but the individuals in these tribes might be
>> separated geographically by vast differences.
>>
>> We also have the media, which is a megaphone for issues important to the
>> tribes - well at least the biggest two, everything else is marginalized and
>> discredited and looked down upon. It gets even worse once you're on the
>> internet.
>>
>> Critical thinking is gone. Fact checking is too time consuming for the
>> masses. Facts themselves are too easy to hide or distort. There is as much
>> disinformation as there is information, and its intentional to continue to
>> perpetuate the system.
>>
>> I just want a small island with a temperate climate to raise my
>> mini-tribe. The rest of you can fuck off ;)
>>
>> Native American Indians did it right, mostly. I wouldn't mind going back
>> to that at this point. Enjoying nature. Enjoying family. Spending quality
>> time. The only work to do is the work that has to get done. I'll figure out
>> spears, I'm okay with bows and good with fire. No more rat race, no
>> twitter, no CNN/fox, just kicking it with my fam enjoying flying through
>> the cosmos as insane speeds on this ball of space dust.
>>
>> On Oct 19, 2016 11:36 AM, "Chris Wright"  wrote:
>> >
>> > It really is a shame that we’ve been conditioned to default to
>> establishing our own world of confirmation bias. We tailor our social media
>> by liking posts we agree with, and unfriending (or at least muting) posters
>> of contrary material. We create our own personal worlds of yes-people and
>> intelligence no longer becomes necessary. Our handicapped minds are no
>> longer required to hold two conflicting ideas for the sake of critical
>> thought. All this has devolved a once-functional society filled with
>> different people who recognized the value of compromise into a
>> self-centric, personalized hegemony of detached resonating chambers.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Guys I’m not even fully caffeinated this morning why am I even writing
>> this…
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Chris Wright
>> >
>> > Network Administrator
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy
>> /sarcasm
>> > Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2016 9:21 PM
>> > To: af@afmug.com
>> > Subject: [AFMUG] Ot but common
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Can we all still be friends after this shitshow? Pleeeaase? Even if
>> we can't be friends will you folks at least still offset my incompetence?
>>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] OT: 2 suspected ISIS recruits heading to El Pasoarrested

[Jaime Solorza]

They are not coming through border... I work with border patrol allot...
They fly into big cities... I see detainees from all over the world at
center.   Don't add fuel to fire...

On Oct 19, 2016 12:25 PM, "Adam Moffett"  wrote:

> Or maybe sometimes a rug is just a rug.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Chuck McCown" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 10/19/2016 1:39:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: 2 suspected ISIS recruits heading to El
> Pasoarrested
>
>
> It got hot, you got tired and thirsty.
>
> *From:* Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 19, 2016 11:36 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: 2 suspected ISIS recruits heading to El
> Pasoarrested
>
> but why would a prayer rug be left in the desert?  If you carried it
> that far, why drop it?
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Chuck McCown" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 10/19/2016 1:33:17 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: 2 suspected ISIS recruits heading to El Paso
> arrested
>
>
> I have a friend who is the head of the border patrol union, in Yuma, I
> think.
> He claims that the Islamic folks are a big and increasing number of
> illegal crossings.
> They find prayer rugs out in the desert all the time.
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 18, 2016 7:41 PM
> *To:* Animal Farm
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT: 2 suspected ISIS recruits heading to El Paso
> arrested
>
>
> Somehow they thought it's really easy to travel in Mexico with proper
> IDs... You can cross into border easy enough... Getting further is
> tougher... But Mexico has changed... Not sure how far they could have made
> it.
>
> 2 suspected ISIS recruits heading to El Paso arrested
> http://www.elpasotimes.com/story/news/2016/10/18/2-
> suspected-isis-recruits-heading-el-paso-arrested/92378772/
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: 2 suspected ISIS recruits heading to El Pasoarrested

[Adam Moffett]

Or maybe sometimes a rug is just a rug.


-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 10/19/2016 1:39:54 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: 2 suspected ISIS recruits heading to El 
Pasoarrested



It got hot, you got tired and thirsty.

From:Adam Moffett
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 11:36 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: 2 suspected ISIS recruits heading to El 
Pasoarrested


but why would a prayer rug be left in the desert?  If you carried 
it that far, why drop it?



-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 10/19/2016 1:33:17 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: 2 suspected ISIS recruits heading to El Paso 
arrested


I have a friend who is the head of the border patrol union, in Yuma, I 
think.
He claims that the Islamic folks are a big and increasing number of 
illegal crossings.

They find prayer rugs out in the desert all the time.

From:Jaime Solorza
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 7:41 PM
To:Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: 2 suspected ISIS recruits heading to El Paso 
arrested


Somehow they thought it's really easy to travel in Mexico with proper 
IDs... You can cross into border easy enough... Getting further is 
tougher... But Mexico has changed... Not sure how far they could have 
made it.


2 suspected ISIS recruits heading to El Paso arrested
http://www.elpasotimes.com/story/news/2016/10/18/2-suspected-isis-recruits-heading-el-paso-arrested/92378772/

Re: [AFMUG] OT: 2 suspected ISIS recruits heading to El Paso arrested

[Faisal Imtiaz]

Maybe because it is being left around by the folks hired by the State Dept. to 
make it look so.. 

http://www.infowars.com/flashback-cia-admits-to-staging-fake-jihadist-videos/ 

Contrary to popular belief, prayer rugs are not a requirement for a Muslim to 
be able to perform his or her prayers :) 
But those 'mats' 'rugs' 'sheepskins' do make for a multi purpose light rug 
kind of like what the Cowboys carried with them in the Western Movies, rolled 
up on back side of their saddle...typically used as a sleeping mattress or as a 
pad between the horseback and the saddle. 

:) 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Chuck McCown" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 1:33:17 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: 2 suspected ISIS recruits heading to El Paso arrested

> I have a friend who is the head of the border patrol union, in Yuma, I think.
> He claims that the Islamic folks are a big and increasing number of illegal
> crossings.
> They find prayer rugs out in the desert all the time.
> From: Jaime Solorza
> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 7:41 PM
> To: Animal Farm
> Subject: [AFMUG] OT: 2 suspected ISIS recruits heading to El Paso arrested

> Somehow they thought it's really easy to travel in Mexico with proper IDs... 
> You
> can cross into border easy enough... Getting further is tougher... But Mexico
> has changed... Not sure how far they could have made it.

> 2 suspected ISIS recruits heading to El Paso arrested
> http://www.elpasotimes.com/story/news/2016/10/18/2-suspected-isis-recruits-heading-el-paso-arrested/92378772/

Re: [AFMUG] my kind of chick!

[Josh Reynolds]

Small beamwidth, but high bandwidth?

On Oct 19, 2016 12:44 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

> If she saw the size of my Fresnel, I think she would probably quickly
> change frequency
>
> (what does that even mean??)
>
> On 10/18/2016 3:59 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
>>
>> I would still bang her and we would shout various WISP terms and RF
>> jargon like "Flick my Fresnel!" the entire time.
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 5:52 PM  wrote:
>>
>> Yeah, but she can’t spell antenna.
>>
>> *From:* Gino Villarini
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 18, 2016 4:35 PM
>> *To:* Animal Farm
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] my kind of chick!
>>
>> she even mentions wisps and PTP links!
>>
>> http://gizmo.do/WwycylD
>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] my kind of chick!

[Chuck McCown]

If she saw the size of my Fresnel, I think she would probably quickly change 
frequency
(what does that even mean??)


  On 10/18/2016 3:59 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:

I would still bang her and we would shout various WISP terms and RF 
jargon like "Flick my Fresnel!" the entire time.

On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 5:52 PM  wrote:

  Yeah, but she can’t spell antenna.

  From: Gino Villarini 
  Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 4:35 PM
  To: Animal Farm 
  Subject: [AFMUG] my kind of chick!

  she even mentions wisps and PTP links! 

  http://gizmo.do/WwycylD

Re: [AFMUG] Ot but common

[Josh Reynolds]

I have these three sea shells and some peyote. Can we trade?

On Oct 19, 2016 12:42 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

> Screw your tribe, I have the conch...
>
> *From:* Josh Reynolds
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 19, 2016 10:52 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ot but common
>
>
> Once upon a time, we had tribes.
>
> They lived together, believed in the same things, had the same language,
> same problems, etc. Same ethnic, religious, geographic ties. And so on..
>
> We still have tribes now, but the individuals in these tribes might be
> separated geographically by vast differences.
>
> We also have the media, which is a megaphone for issues important to the
> tribes - well at least the biggest two, everything else is marginalized and
> discredited and looked down upon. It gets even worse once you're on the
> internet.
>
> Critical thinking is gone. Fact checking is too time consuming for the
> masses. Facts themselves are too easy to hide or distort. There is as much
> disinformation as there is information, and its intentional to continue to
> perpetuate the system.
>
> I just want a small island with a temperate climate to raise my
> mini-tribe. The rest of you can fuck off ;)
>
> Native American Indians did it right, mostly. I wouldn't mind going back
> to that at this point. Enjoying nature. Enjoying family. Spending quality
> time. The only work to do is the work that has to get done. I'll figure out
> spears, I'm okay with bows and good with fire. No more rat race, no
> twitter, no CNN/fox, just kicking it with my fam enjoying flying through
> the cosmos as insane speeds on this ball of space dust.
>
> On Oct 19, 2016 11:36 AM, "Chris Wright"  wrote:
> >
> > It really is a shame that we’ve been conditioned to default to
> establishing our own world of confirmation bias. We tailor our social media
> by liking posts we agree with, and unfriending (or at least muting) posters
> of contrary material. We create our own personal worlds of yes-people and
> intelligence no longer becomes necessary. Our handicapped minds are no
> longer required to hold two conflicting ideas for the sake of critical
> thought. All this has devolved a once-functional society filled with
> different people who recognized the value of compromise into a
> self-centric, personalized hegemony of detached resonating chambers.
> >
> >
> >
> > Guys I’m not even fully caffeinated this morning why am I even writing
> this…
> >
> >
> >
> > Chris Wright
> >
> > Network Administrator
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy
> /sarcasm
> > Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2016 9:21 PM
> > To: af@afmug.com
> > Subject: [AFMUG] Ot but common
> >
> >
> >
> > Can we all still be friends after this shitshow? Pleeeaase? Even if
> we can't be friends will you folks at least still offset my incompetence?
>

Re: [AFMUG] Ot but common

[Chuck McCown]

Screw your tribe, I have the conch...

From: Josh Reynolds 
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 10:52 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ot but common

Once upon a time, we had tribes.

They lived together, believed in the same things, had the same language, same 
problems, etc. Same ethnic, religious, geographic ties. And so on..


We still have tribes now, but the individuals in these tribes might be 
separated geographically by vast differences.

We also have the media, which is a megaphone for issues important to the tribes 
- well at least the biggest two, everything else is marginalized and 
discredited and looked down upon. It gets even worse once you're on the 
internet.

Critical thinking is gone. Fact checking is too time consuming for the masses. 
Facts themselves are too easy to hide or distort. There is as much 
disinformation as there is information, and its intentional to continue to 
perpetuate the system.

I just want a small island with a temperate climate to raise my mini-tribe. The 
rest of you can fuck off ;)

Native American Indians did it right, mostly. I wouldn't mind going back to 
that at this point. Enjoying nature. Enjoying family. Spending quality time. 
The only work to do is the work that has to get done. I'll figure out spears, 
I'm okay with bows and good with fire. No more rat race, no twitter, no 
CNN/fox, just kicking it with my fam enjoying flying through the cosmos as 
insane speeds on this ball of space dust.

On Oct 19, 2016 11:36 AM, "Chris Wright"  wrote:
>
> It really is a shame that we’ve been conditioned to default to establishing 
> our own world of confirmation bias. We tailor our social media by liking 
> posts we agree with, and unfriending (or at least muting) posters of contrary 
> material. We create our own personal worlds of yes-people and intelligence no 
> longer becomes necessary. Our handicapped minds are no longer required to 
> hold two conflicting ideas for the sake of critical thought. All this has 
> devolved a once-functional society filled with different people who 
> recognized the value of compromise into a self-centric, personalized hegemony 
> of detached resonating chambers.
>
>  
>
> Guys I’m not even fully caffeinated this morning why am I even writing this…
>
>  
>
> Chris Wright
>
> Network Administrator
>
>  
>
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
> Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2016 9:21 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] Ot but common
>
>  
>
> Can we all still be friends after this shitshow? Pleeeaase? Even if we 
> can't be friends will you folks at least still offset my incompetence?

Re: [AFMUG] OT: 2 suspected ISIS recruits heading to El Pasoarrested

[Chuck McCown]

It got hot, you got tired and thirsty.  

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 11:36 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: 2 suspected ISIS recruits heading to El Pasoarrested

but why would a prayer rug be left in the desert?  If you carried it that 
far, why drop it?


-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 10/19/2016 1:33:17 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: 2 suspected ISIS recruits heading to El Paso arrested

  I have a friend who is the head of the border patrol union, in Yuma, I think.
  He claims that the Islamic folks are a big and increasing number of illegal 
crossings.  
  They find prayer rugs out in the desert all the time.  

  From: Jaime Solorza 
  Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 7:41 PM
  To: Animal Farm 
  Subject: [AFMUG] OT: 2 suspected ISIS recruits heading to El Paso arrested

  Somehow they thought it's really easy to travel in Mexico with proper IDs... 
You can cross into border easy enough... Getting further is tougher... But 
Mexico has changed... Not sure how far they could have made it.

  2 suspected ISIS recruits heading to El Paso arrested
  
http://www.elpasotimes.com/story/news/2016/10/18/2-suspected-isis-recruits-heading-el-paso-arrested/92378772/

Re: [AFMUG] OT: 2 suspected ISIS recruits heading to El Paso arrested

[Adam Moffett]

but why would a prayer rug be left in the desert?  If you carried it 
that far, why drop it?



-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 10/19/2016 1:33:17 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: 2 suspected ISIS recruits heading to El Paso 
arrested


I have a friend who is the head of the border patrol union, in Yuma, I 
think.
He claims that the Islamic folks are a big and increasing number of 
illegal crossings.

They find prayer rugs out in the desert all the time.

From:Jaime Solorza
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 7:41 PM
To:Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: 2 suspected ISIS recruits heading to El Paso 
arrested


Somehow they thought it's really easy to travel in Mexico with proper 
IDs... You can cross into border easy enough... Getting further is 
tougher... But Mexico has changed... Not sure how far they could have 
made it.


2 suspected ISIS recruits heading to El Paso arrested
http://www.elpasotimes.com/story/news/2016/10/18/2-suspected-isis-recruits-heading-el-paso-arrested/92378772/

Re: [AFMUG] OT: 2 suspected ISIS recruits heading to El Paso arrested

[Chuck McCown]

I have a friend who is the head of the border patrol union, in Yuma, I think.
He claims that the Islamic folks are a big and increasing number of illegal 
crossings.  
They find prayer rugs out in the desert all the time.  

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 7:41 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: 2 suspected ISIS recruits heading to El Paso arrested

Somehow they thought it's really easy to travel in Mexico with proper IDs... 
You can cross into border easy enough... Getting further is tougher... But 
Mexico has changed... Not sure how far they could have made it.

2 suspected ISIS recruits heading to El Paso arrested
http://www.elpasotimes.com/story/news/2016/10/18/2-suspected-isis-recruits-heading-el-paso-arrested/92378772/

Re: [AFMUG] day labor legalities

[Chuck McCown]

I have heard of desired items being purchased, expensed, and show up missing...

From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 7:37 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] day labor legalities


NOT looking to skirt the system

I got the ok to use some labor for project work as i need it. Like the other 
day when i brought my dad.

What are the actual rules, we arent looking to cash money under the table, but 
these arent going to be full, or even part time employees, over 600 bucks 
theyll 1099 but should that just be done anyway?

I  have a few different people I will use, and probably not more than a couple 
days a week

For the most part these people will be tying stuff to ropes and watching spools 
stands
-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Ot but common

[Adam Moffett]

+1

except I do want modern medicine and sanitation.


-- Original Message --
From: "Josh Reynolds" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 10/19/2016 12:52:47 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ot but common


Once upon a time, we had tribes.

They lived together, believed in the same things, had the same 
language, same problems, etc. Same ethnic, religious, geographic ties. 
And so on..


We still have tribes now, but the individuals in these tribes might be 
separated geographically by vast differences.


We also have the media, which is a megaphone for issues important to 
the tribes - well at least the biggest two, everything else is 
marginalized and discredited and looked down upon. It gets even worse 
once you're on the internet.


Critical thinking is gone. Fact checking is too time consuming for the 
masses. Facts themselves are too easy to hide or distort. There is as 
much disinformation as there is information, and its intentional to 
continue to perpetuate the system.


I just want a small island with a temperate climate to raise my 
mini-tribe. The rest of you can fuck off ;)


Native American Indians did it right, mostly. I wouldn't mind going 
back to that at this point. Enjoying nature. Enjoying family. Spending 
quality time. The only work to do is the work that has to get done. 
I'll figure out spears, I'm okay with bows and good with fire. No more 
rat race, no twitter, no CNN/fox, just kicking it with my fam enjoying 
flying through the cosmos as insane speeds on this ball of space dust.


On Oct 19, 2016 11:36 AM, "Chris Wright"  wrote:
>
> It really is a shame that we’ve been conditioned to default to 
establishing our own world of confirmation bias. We tailor our social 
media by liking posts we agree with, and unfriending (or at least 
muting) posters of contrary material. We create our own personal worlds 
of yes-people and intelligence no longer becomes necessary. Our 
handicapped minds are no longer required to hold two conflicting ideas 
for the sake of critical thought. All this has devolved a 
once-functional society filled with different people who recognized the 
value of compromise into a self-centric, personalized hegemony of 
detached resonating chambers.

>
>
>
> Guys I’m not even fully caffeinated this morning why am I even 
writing this…

>
>
>
> Chris Wright
>
> Network Administrator
>
>
>
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy 
/sarcasm

> Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2016 9:21 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] Ot but common
>
>
>
> Can we all still be friends after this shitshow? Pleeeaase? Even 
if we can't be friends will you folks at least still offset my 
incompetence?

Re: [AFMUG] Ot but common

[Josh Reynolds]

Once upon a time, we had tribes.

They lived together, believed in the same things, had the same language,
same problems, etc. Same ethnic, religious, geographic ties. And so on..

We still have tribes now, but the individuals in these tribes might be
separated geographically by vast differences.

We also have the media, which is a megaphone for issues important to the
tribes - well at least the biggest two, everything else is marginalized and
discredited and looked down upon. It gets even worse once you're on the
internet.

Critical thinking is gone. Fact checking is too time consuming for the
masses. Facts themselves are too easy to hide or distort. There is as much
disinformation as there is information, and its intentional to continue to
perpetuate the system.

I just want a small island with a temperate climate to raise my mini-tribe.
The rest of you can fuck off ;)

Native American Indians did it right, mostly. I wouldn't mind going back to
that at this point. Enjoying nature. Enjoying family. Spending quality
time. The only work to do is the work that has to get done. I'll figure out
spears, I'm okay with bows and good with fire. No more rat race, no
twitter, no CNN/fox, just kicking it with my fam enjoying flying through
the cosmos as insane speeds on this ball of space dust.

On Oct 19, 2016 11:36 AM, "Chris Wright"  wrote:
>
> It really is a shame that we’ve been conditioned to default to
establishing our own world of confirmation bias. We tailor our social media
by liking posts we agree with, and unfriending (or at least muting) posters
of contrary material. We create our own personal worlds of yes-people and
intelligence no longer becomes necessary. Our handicapped minds are no
longer required to hold two conflicting ideas for the sake of critical
thought. All this has devolved a once-functional society filled with
different people who recognized the value of compromise into a
self-centric, personalized hegemony of detached resonating chambers.
>
>
>
> Guys I’m not even fully caffeinated this morning why am I even writing
this…
>
>
>
> Chris Wright
>
> Network Administrator
>
>
>
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
> Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2016 9:21 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] Ot but common
>
>
>
> Can we all still be friends after this shitshow? Pleeeaase? Even if
we can't be friends will you folks at least still offset my incompetence?

Re: [AFMUG] Ot but common

[Ken Hohhof]

I unfriend you.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chris Wright
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 11:37 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ot but common

 

It really is a shame that we’ve been conditioned to default to establishing our 
own world of confirmation bias. We tailor our social media by liking posts we 
agree with, and unfriending (or at least muting) posters of contrary material. 
We create our own personal worlds of yes-people and intelligence no longer 
becomes necessary. Our handicapped minds are no longer required to hold two 
conflicting ideas for the sake of critical thought. All this has devolved a 
once-functional society filled with different people who recognized the value 
of compromise into a self-centric, personalized hegemony of detached resonating 
chambers.

 

Guys I’m not even fully caffeinated this morning why am I even writing this…

 

Chris Wright

Network Administrator

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2016 9:21 PM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: [AFMUG] Ot but common

 

Can we all still be friends after this shitshow? Pleeeaase? Even if we 
can't be friends will you folks at least still offset my incompetence? 

Re: [AFMUG] Ot but common

[Chris Wright]

It really is a shame that we’ve been conditioned to default to establishing our 
own world of confirmation bias. We tailor our social media by liking posts we 
agree with, and unfriending (or at least muting) posters of contrary material. 
We create our own personal worlds of yes-people and intelligence no longer 
becomes necessary. Our handicapped minds are no longer required to hold two 
conflicting ideas for the sake of critical thought. All this has devolved a 
once-functional society filled with different people who recognized the value 
of compromise into a self-centric, personalized hegemony of detached resonating 
chambers.

Guys I’m not even fully caffeinated this morning why am I even writing this…

Chris Wright
Network Administrator

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2016 9:21 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Ot but common


Can we all still be friends after this shitshow? Pleeeaase? Even if we 
can't be friends will you folks at least still offset my incompetence?

Re: [AFMUG] my kind of chick!

[Cameron Crum]

If the spot is still hot, you are doing better than most.

On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 10:50 AM, Chris Wright  wrote:

> Only if it can handle jumbo packets.
>
>
>
> Chris Wright
>
> Network Administrator
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 19, 2016 8:30 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] my kind of chick!
>
>
>
> World’s lamest pickup line:  Want to come back to my place and see my
> hotspot?
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *That One Guy /sarcasm
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 19, 2016 9:55 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] my kind of chick!
>
>
>
> at least Lewis didnt talk about how he can just grab her by the polarity
>
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 8:39 AM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>
> It's all clear to me now.
>
>
>
> bp
>
> 
>
>
>
> On 10/19/2016 4:36 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
>
> Wow...just noticed that one guy WTH'd me. I now realize how out of bounds
> that was. I apologize to Donald Trump for not going far enough and to
> everyone else for going way to far.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 19, 2016, 6:32 AM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
> Shhh... My wife is still asleep
>
>
>
> On Oct 19, 2016 5:06 AM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:
>
> Every once in a while you have to let your wildly innappropriate side out.
> Seriously though, to us, that is an interesting project she is running. I
> doubt many are interested. She doesn't a little time explaining why she
> cares but it didn't seem like enough to justify the effort.
>
> On the lighter side, have you ever heard someone from Louisiana doing tech
> support? Very sexy. And not just a little hilarious.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016, 7:58 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>
> I'm hoping that part of that was Lewis' spell checker rearing its ugly
> head.
>
>
>
> bp
>
> 
>
>
>
> On 10/18/2016 3:59 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
>
> I would still bang her and we would shout various WISP terms and RF jargon
> like "Flick my Fresnel!" the entire time.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 5:52 PM  wrote:
>
> Yeah, but she can’t spell antenna.
>
>
>
> *From:* Gino Villarini
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 18, 2016 4:35 PM
>
> *To:* Animal Farm
>
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] my kind of chick!
>
>
>
> she even mentions wisps and PTP links!
>
>
>
> http://gizmo.do/WwycylD
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

Re: [AFMUG] my kind of chick!

[Chris Wright]

Only if it can handle jumbo packets.

Chris Wright
Network Administrator

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 8:30 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] my kind of chick!

World’s lamest pickup line:  Want to come back to my place and see my hotspot?


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 9:55 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] my kind of chick!

at least Lewis didnt talk about how he can just grab her by the polarity

On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 8:39 AM, Bill Prince 
> wrote:

It's all clear to me now.



bp




On 10/19/2016 4:36 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:

Wow...just noticed that one guy WTH'd me. I now realize how out of bounds that 
was. I apologize to Donald Trump for not going far enough and to everyone else 
for going way to far.

On Wed, Oct 19, 2016, 6:32 AM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:

Shhh... My wife is still asleep

On Oct 19, 2016 5:06 AM, "Lewis Bergman" 
> wrote:

Every once in a while you have to let your wildly innappropriate side out. 
Seriously though, to us, that is an interesting project she is running. I doubt 
many are interested. She doesn't a little time explaining why she cares but it 
didn't seem like enough to justify the effort.

On the lighter side, have you ever heard someone from Louisiana doing tech 
support? Very sexy. And not just a little hilarious.

On Tue, Oct 18, 2016, 7:58 PM Bill Prince 
> wrote:

I'm hoping that part of that was Lewis' spell checker rearing its ugly head.



bp




On 10/18/2016 3:59 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
I would still bang her and we would shout various WISP terms and RF jargon like 
"Flick my Fresnel!" the entire time.

On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 5:52 PM > wrote:
Yeah, but she can’t spell antenna.

From: Gino Villarini
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 4:35 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] my kind of chick!

she even mentions wisps and PTP links!

http://gizmo.do/WwycylD





--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Ip, console server?

[Seth Mattinen]

On 10/19/16 08:25, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Once they stopped putting serial ports on laptops, I always dreaded dragging 
out the USB-serial dongle and trying to make it work.  Now I have a laptop that 
doesn't even have an Ethernet port, luckily the Best Buy house brand USB3-GigE 
dongle I picked up has worked flawlessly.  USB-serial not so much.



I haven't had any trouble with the Startech ICUSB2321F. Others I've used 
have random driver problems in Windows or stop showing up on a Mac.


~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] my kind of chick!

[Ken Hohhof]

World’s lamest pickup line:  Want to come back to my place and see my hotspot?

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 9:55 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] my kind of chick!

 

at least Lewis didnt talk about how he can just grab her by the polarity

 

On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 8:39 AM, Bill Prince  > wrote:

It's all clear to me now.

 

bp

 

On 10/19/2016 4:36 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:

Wow...just noticed that one guy WTH'd me. I now realize how out of bounds that 
was. I apologize to Donald Trump for not going far enough and to everyone else 
for going way to far.

 

On Wed, Oct 19, 2016, 6:32 AM Jaime Solorza  > wrote:

Shhh... My wife is still asleep 

 

On Oct 19, 2016 5:06 AM, "Lewis Bergman"  > wrote:

Every once in a while you have to let your wildly innappropriate side out. 
Seriously though, to us, that is an interesting project she is running. I doubt 
many are interested. She doesn't a little time explaining why she cares but it 
didn't seem like enough to justify the effort.

On the lighter side, have you ever heard someone from Louisiana doing tech 
support? Very sexy. And not just a little hilarious.

 

On Tue, Oct 18, 2016, 7:58 PM Bill Prince  > wrote:

I'm hoping that part of that was Lewis' spell checker rearing its ugly head.

 

bp

 

On 10/18/2016 3:59 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:

I would still bang her and we would shout various WISP terms and RF jargon like 
"Flick my Fresnel!" the entire time.

 

On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 5:52 PM  > 
wrote:

Yeah, but she can’t spell antenna.

 

From: Gino Villarini 

Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 4:35 PM

To: Animal Farm 

Subject: [AFMUG] my kind of chick!

 

she even mentions wisps and PTP links! 

 

http://gizmo.do/WwycylD

 

 





 

-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Ip, console server?

[Josh Baird]

Do you use these on a cellular network?  If so, which?  Do they give you a
public IP so you can connect directly to the OpenGear box?

On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 10:54 AM, Steve  wrote:

> We use opengear.  Really good stuff.  It even logs the console.  Cellular,
> wireless etc etc..  too many features to mention here. Little pricey.
>
> http://opengear.com/products/acm5500-management-gateway
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Josh Baird" 
> To: "af" 
> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 12:27:10 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ip, console server?
>
> Here is the solution that we just rolled:
>
> https://www.get-console.com/shop/en/device-servers/98-
> airconsole-ts-8-port.html
>
> We then bought a used Cradlepoint+Verizon modem off of eBay for < $200.
> It's the cheapest solution that you will find. Get-Console has a 'cloud
> server' that we host in EC2 that tunnels the consoles to the server.  You
> don't have to have a public routable IP on Verizon for this (which costs
> $500) to work properly.  Other than some minor support issues (the company
> is located in NZ), everything is working pretty smoothly.
>
> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 12:05 PM, Tushar Patel  wrote:
>
> > Hi
> >
> >
> >
> > We may get into situation where we may need to do remote management of
> > router via console port.
> >
> >
> >
> > Any suggestion on ip console server to buy? 8 or 16 port.
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Tushar
> >
>

Re: [AFMUG] Ip, console server?

[Ken Hohhof]

Those look very nice.  Hard to believe we are still using serial ports though.  
Even Cisco gear for some time now has had USB console ports.

Once they stopped putting serial ports on laptops, I always dreaded dragging 
out the USB-serial dongle and trying to make it work.  Now I have a laptop that 
doesn't even have an Ethernet port, luckily the Best Buy house brand USB3-GigE 
dongle I picked up has worked flawlessly.  USB-serial not so much.


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 9:55 AM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ip, console server?

We use opengear.  Really good stuff.  It even logs the console.  Cellular, 
wireless etc etc..  too many features to mention here. Little pricey.  

http://opengear.com/products/acm5500-management-gateway


- Original Message -
From: "Josh Baird" 
To: "af" 
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 12:27:10 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ip, console server?

Here is the solution that we just rolled:

https://www.get-console.com/shop/en/device-servers/98-airconsole-ts-8-port.html

We then bought a used Cradlepoint+Verizon modem off of eBay for < $200.
It's the cheapest solution that you will find. Get-Console has a 'cloud server' 
that we host in EC2 that tunnels the consoles to the server.  You don't have to 
have a public routable IP on Verizon for this (which costs
$500) to work properly.  Other than some minor support issues (the company is 
located in NZ), everything is working pretty smoothly.

On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 12:05 PM, Tushar Patel  wrote:

> Hi
>
>
>
> We may get into situation where we may need to do remote management of 
> router via console port.
>
>
>
> Any suggestion on ip console server to buy? 8 or 16 port.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tushar
>

Re: [AFMUG] my kind of chick!

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

at least Lewis didnt talk about how he can just grab her by the polarity

On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 8:39 AM, Bill Prince  wrote:

> It's all clear to me now.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 10/19/2016 4:36 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
>
> Wow...just noticed that one guy WTH'd me. I now realize how out of bounds
> that was. I apologize to Donald Trump for not going far enough and to
> everyone else for going way to far.
>
> On Wed, Oct 19, 2016, 6:32 AM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> Shhh... My wife is still asleep
>>
>> On Oct 19, 2016 5:06 AM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:
>>
>> Every once in a while you have to let your wildly innappropriate side
>> out. Seriously though, to us, that is an interesting project she is
>> running. I doubt many are interested. She doesn't a little time explaining
>> why she cares but it didn't seem like enough to justify the effort.
>>
>> On the lighter side, have you ever heard someone from Louisiana doing
>> tech support? Very sexy. And not just a little hilarious.
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016, 7:58 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>>
>> I'm hoping that part of that was Lewis' spell checker rearing its ugly
>> head.
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>
>> On 10/18/2016 3:59 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
>>
>> I would still bang her and we would shout various WISP terms and RF
>> jargon like "Flick my Fresnel!" the entire time.
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 5:52 PM  wrote:
>>
>> Yeah, but she can’t spell antenna.
>>
>> *From:* Gino Villarini
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 18, 2016 4:35 PM
>> *To:* Animal Farm
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] my kind of chick!
>>
>> she even mentions wisps and PTP links!
>>
>> http://gizmo.do/WwycylD
>>
>>
>>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Ip, console server?

[Steve]

We use opengear.  Really good stuff.  It even logs the console.  Cellular, 
wireless etc etc..  too many features to mention here. Little pricey.  

http://opengear.com/products/acm5500-management-gateway


- Original Message -
From: "Josh Baird" 
To: "af" 
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 12:27:10 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ip, console server?

Here is the solution that we just rolled:

https://www.get-console.com/shop/en/device-servers/98-airconsole-ts-8-port.html

We then bought a used Cradlepoint+Verizon modem off of eBay for < $200.
It's the cheapest solution that you will find. Get-Console has a 'cloud
server' that we host in EC2 that tunnels the consoles to the server.  You
don't have to have a public routable IP on Verizon for this (which costs
$500) to work properly.  Other than some minor support issues (the company
is located in NZ), everything is working pretty smoothly.

On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 12:05 PM, Tushar Patel  wrote:

> Hi
>
>
>
> We may get into situation where we may need to do remote management of
> router via console port.
>
>
>
> Any suggestion on ip console server to buy? 8 or 16 port.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tushar
>

Re: [AFMUG] 1G/10G switch won't negotiate 1g on sfp

[Faisal Imtiaz]

Have you tried to put the "duplex full" command under the interface port 
settings via the CLI ? 

I know changing it from the web interface does not keep the setting 
'persistently'. 

Regards 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "TJ Trout" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 3:58:59 AM
> Subject: [AFMUG] 1G/10G switch won't negotiate 1g on sfp

> I have a newly deployed ibm g8124 switch and all of the ports auto default to
> auto negotiation if the port flaps, I have several 1G copper sfp, and several
> 10G DAC/SFP that always work flawlessly but i have one single 1G sfp that 
> won't
> come up unless I manually disable auto negotiation then it comes up fine until
> the next time the link goes down, is this something that would likely be fixed
> buy firmware update or should I try another model SFP?

Re: [AFMUG] my kind of chick!

[Bill Prince]

It's all clear to me now.


bp


On 10/19/2016 4:36 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:


Wow...just noticed that one guy WTH'd me. I now realize how out of 
bounds that was. I apologize to Donald Trump for not going far enough 
and to everyone else for going way to far.



On Wed, Oct 19, 2016, 6:32 AM Jaime Solorza > wrote:


Shhh... My wife is still asleep


On Oct 19, 2016 5:06 AM, "Lewis Bergman" > wrote:

Every once in a while you have to let your wildly
innappropriate side out. Seriously though, to us, that is an
interesting project she is running. I doubt many are
interested. She doesn't a little time explaining why she cares
but it didn't seem like enough to justify the effort.

On the lighter side, have you ever heard someone from
Louisiana doing tech support? Very sexy. And not just a little
hilarious.


On Tue, Oct 18, 2016, 7:58 PM Bill Prince > wrote:

I'm hoping that part of that was Lewis' spell checker
rearing its ugly head.


bp


On 10/18/2016 3:59 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:

I would still bang her and we would shout various WISP
terms and RF jargon like "Flick my Fresnel!" the entire time.

On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 5:52 PM > wrote:

Yeah, but she can’t spell antenna.
*From:* Gino Villarini
*Sent:* Tuesday, October 18, 2016 4:35 PM
*To:* Animal Farm
*Subject:* [AFMUG] my kind of chick!
she even mentions wisps and PTP links!
http://gizmo.do/WwycylD

Re: [AFMUG] my kind of chick!

[Cameron Crum]

That sound like it needs to be included in a new chapter of 50 Shades of
Gain. What do you think Chuck, need a co-author?

On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 7:02 AM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Ha Funny man so early That's cool
>
> On Oct 19, 2016 5:36 AM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:
>
>> Wow...just noticed that one guy WTH'd me. I now realize how out of bounds
>> that was. I apologize to Donald Trump for not going far enough and to
>> everyone else for going way to far.
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 19, 2016, 6:32 AM Jaime Solorza 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Shhh... My wife is still asleep
>>>
>>> On Oct 19, 2016 5:06 AM, "Lewis Bergman" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Every once in a while you have to let your wildly innappropriate side
>>> out. Seriously though, to us, that is an interesting project she is
>>> running. I doubt many are interested. She doesn't a little time explaining
>>> why she cares but it didn't seem like enough to justify the effort.
>>>
>>> On the lighter side, have you ever heard someone from Louisiana doing
>>> tech support? Very sexy. And not just a little hilarious.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016, 7:58 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm hoping that part of that was Lewis' spell checker rearing its ugly
>>> head.
>>>
>>>
>>> bp
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> On 10/18/2016 3:59 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
>>>
>>> I would still bang her and we would shout various WISP terms and RF
>>> jargon like "Flick my Fresnel!" the entire time.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 5:52 PM  wrote:
>>>
>>> Yeah, but she can’t spell antenna.
>>>
>>> *From:* Gino Villarini
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 18, 2016 4:35 PM
>>> *To:* Animal Farm
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] my kind of chick!
>>>
>>> she even mentions wisps and PTP links!
>>>
>>> http://gizmo.do/WwycylD
>>>
>>>
>>>

Re: [AFMUG] day labor legalities

[Daniel White]

Even easier to COY and send one regardless.  Especially if you’re talking about 
a few people.



In past jobs if I needed temp labor I used temp labor agencies so I didn’t have 
to worry about anything.  Yes you pay more, but there is no paperwork or legal 
headache to worry about.



Daniel White

Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales

ConVergence Technologies

Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590

  dwh...@converge-tech.com



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 5:58 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] day labor legalities



That is $600 a year, not am occurrence I think. Have them fill out the form and 
file and send it if they exceed it.



On Tue, Oct 18, 2016, 11:19 PM That One Guy /sarcasm  > wrote:

i just need the guys, the boss said hed pay them, id prefer to not get my boss 
put in jail or the hammer of the irs cause i did something wrong. there is 
always discussion here of the definition of employees and rules on 
subcontractors or whatever but usually more toward long term folks.



On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 10:24 PM, Ken Hohhof  > wrote:

Maybe you could outsource all the nasty employer stuff to a PEO?



 Or tell them you’re a startup, and pay them in stock options. 




From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com  ] On Behalf 
Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 8:37 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] day labor legalities






NOT looking to skirt the system



I got the ok to use some labor for project work as i need it. Like the other 
day when i brought my dad.



What are the actual rules, we arent looking to cash money under the table, but 
these arent going to be full, or even part time employees, over 600 bucks 
theyll 1099 but should that just be done anyway?



I  have a few different people I will use, and probably not more than a couple 
days a week



For the most part these people will be tying stuff to ropes and watching spools 
stands

--

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part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.







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part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.



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Re: [AFMUG] my kind of chick!

[Jaime Solorza]

Ha Funny man so early That's cool

On Oct 19, 2016 5:36 AM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:

> Wow...just noticed that one guy WTH'd me. I now realize how out of bounds
> that was. I apologize to Donald Trump for not going far enough and to
> everyone else for going way to far.
>
> On Wed, Oct 19, 2016, 6:32 AM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> Shhh... My wife is still asleep
>>
>> On Oct 19, 2016 5:06 AM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:
>>
>> Every once in a while you have to let your wildly innappropriate side
>> out. Seriously though, to us, that is an interesting project she is
>> running. I doubt many are interested. She doesn't a little time explaining
>> why she cares but it didn't seem like enough to justify the effort.
>>
>> On the lighter side, have you ever heard someone from Louisiana doing
>> tech support? Very sexy. And not just a little hilarious.
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016, 7:58 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>>
>> I'm hoping that part of that was Lewis' spell checker rearing its ugly
>> head.
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>
>> On 10/18/2016 3:59 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
>>
>> I would still bang her and we would shout various WISP terms and RF
>> jargon like "Flick my Fresnel!" the entire time.
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 5:52 PM  wrote:
>>
>> Yeah, but she can’t spell antenna.
>>
>> *From:* Gino Villarini
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 18, 2016 4:35 PM
>> *To:* Animal Farm
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] my kind of chick!
>>
>> she even mentions wisps and PTP links!
>>
>> http://gizmo.do/WwycylD
>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] day labor legalities

[Lewis Bergman]

That is $600 a year, not am occurrence I think. Have them fill out the form
and file and send it if they exceed it.

On Tue, Oct 18, 2016, 11:19 PM That One Guy /sarcasm <
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> i just need the guys, the boss said hed pay them, id prefer to not get my
> boss put in jail or the hammer of the irs cause i did something wrong.
> there is always discussion here of the definition of employees and rules on
> subcontractors or whatever but usually more toward long term folks.
>
> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 10:24 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> Maybe you could outsource all the nasty employer stuff to a PEO?
>
>
>
>  Or tell them you’re a startup, and pay them in stock options.
> 
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy
> /sarcasm
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 18, 2016 8:37 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] day labor legalities
>
>
>
>
> NOT looking to skirt the system
>
>
>
> I got the ok to use some labor for project work as i need it. Like the
> other day when i brought my dad.
>
>
>
> What are the actual rules, we arent looking to cash money under the table,
> but these arent going to be full, or even part time employees, over 600
> bucks theyll 1099 but should that just be done anyway?
>
>
>
> I  have a few different people I will use, and probably not more than a
> couple days a week
>
>
>
> For the most part these people will be tying stuff to ropes and watching
> spools stands
>
> --
>
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>
>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

Re: [AFMUG] my kind of chick!

[Lewis Bergman]

Wow...just noticed that one guy WTH'd me. I now realize how out of bounds
that was. I apologize to Donald Trump for not going far enough and to
everyone else for going way to far.

On Wed, Oct 19, 2016, 6:32 AM Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Shhh... My wife is still asleep
>
> On Oct 19, 2016 5:06 AM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:
>
> Every once in a while you have to let your wildly innappropriate side out.
> Seriously though, to us, that is an interesting project she is running. I
> doubt many are interested. She doesn't a little time explaining why she
> cares but it didn't seem like enough to justify the effort.
>
> On the lighter side, have you ever heard someone from Louisiana doing tech
> support? Very sexy. And not just a little hilarious.
>
> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016, 7:58 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>
> I'm hoping that part of that was Lewis' spell checker rearing its ugly
> head.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 10/18/2016 3:59 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
>
> I would still bang her and we would shout various WISP terms and RF jargon
> like "Flick my Fresnel!" the entire time.
>
> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 5:52 PM  wrote:
>
> Yeah, but she can’t spell antenna.
>
> *From:* Gino Villarini
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 18, 2016 4:35 PM
> *To:* Animal Farm
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] my kind of chick!
>
> she even mentions wisps and PTP links!
>
> http://gizmo.do/WwycylD
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] my kind of chick!

[Jaime Solorza]

Shhh... My wife is still asleep

On Oct 19, 2016 5:06 AM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:

> Every once in a while you have to let your wildly innappropriate side out.
> Seriously though, to us, that is an interesting project she is running. I
> doubt many are interested. She doesn't a little time explaining why she
> cares but it didn't seem like enough to justify the effort.
>
> On the lighter side, have you ever heard someone from Louisiana doing tech
> support? Very sexy. And not just a little hilarious.
>
> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016, 7:58 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>
>> I'm hoping that part of that was Lewis' spell checker rearing its ugly
>> head.
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>
>> On 10/18/2016 3:59 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
>>
>> I would still bang her and we would shout various WISP terms and RF
>> jargon like "Flick my Fresnel!" the entire time.
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 5:52 PM  wrote:
>>
>> Yeah, but she can’t spell antenna.
>>
>> *From:* Gino Villarini
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 18, 2016 4:35 PM
>> *To:* Animal Farm
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] my kind of chick!
>>
>> she even mentions wisps and PTP links!
>>
>> http://gizmo.do/WwycylD
>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] my kind of chick!

[Lewis Bergman]

Every once in a while you have to let your wildly innappropriate side out.
Seriously though, to us, that is an interesting project she is running. I
doubt many are interested. She doesn't a little time explaining why she
cares but it didn't seem like enough to justify the effort.

On the lighter side, have you ever heard someone from Louisiana doing tech
support? Very sexy. And not just a little hilarious.

On Tue, Oct 18, 2016, 7:58 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

> I'm hoping that part of that was Lewis' spell checker rearing its ugly
> head.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 10/18/2016 3:59 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
>
> I would still bang her and we would shout various WISP terms and RF jargon
> like "Flick my Fresnel!" the entire time.
>
> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 5:52 PM  wrote:
>
> Yeah, but she can’t spell antenna.
>
> *From:* Gino Villarini
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 18, 2016 4:35 PM
> *To:* Animal Farm
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] my kind of chick!
>
> she even mentions wisps and PTP links!
>
> http://gizmo.do/WwycylD
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 1G/10G switch won't negotiate 1g on sfp

[Paul Stewart]

Sounds like software bug - roll a ticket with IBM and ask them … make sure 
latest recommended software is on switch (typically) which according to what I 
can see is 7.7.5.0 from 2013



> On Oct 19, 2016, at 3:58 AM, TJ Trout  wrote:
> 
> I have a newly deployed ibm g8124 switch and all of the ports auto default to 
> auto negotiation if the port flaps, I have several 1G copper sfp, and several 
> 10G DAC/SFP that always work flawlessly but i have one single 1G sfp that 
> won't come up unless I manually disable auto negotiation then it comes up 
> fine until the next time the link goes down, is this something that would 
> likely be fixed buy firmware update or should I try another model SFP?
> 

Re: [AFMUG] 1G/10G switch won't negotiate 1g on sfp

[Josh Reynolds]

Order a few generics and maybe 1 or 2 "IBM compatible" optics from
fiberstore and give it a shot. Short of that, maybe there's a way to modify
this behavior? That's a really poor design choice if not.

On Oct 19, 2016 2:59 AM, "TJ Trout"  wrote:

> I have a newly deployed ibm g8124 switch and all of the ports auto default
> to auto negotiation if the port flaps, I have several 1G copper sfp, and
> several 10G DAC/SFP that always work flawlessly but i have one single 1G
> sfp that won't come up unless I manually disable auto negotiation then it
> comes up fine until the next time the link goes down, is this something
> that would likely be fixed buy firmware update or should I try another
> model SFP?
>

[AFMUG] 1G/10G switch won't negotiate 1g on sfp

[TJ Trout]

I have a newly deployed ibm g8124 switch and all of the ports auto default
to auto negotiation if the port flaps, I have several 1G copper sfp, and
several 10G DAC/SFP that always work flawlessly but i have one single 1G
sfp that won't come up unless I manually disable auto negotiation then it
comes up fine until the next time the link goes down, is this something
that would likely be fixed buy firmware update or should I try another
model SFP?