Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon

[John Seaman]

Yes, ask the coordinator if they can change it to match the radios you have, 
although I can't tell from the part number if those radios support 80 MHz 
channel.

If the coordinated frequency cannot be changed you are best off obtaining 
radios with part numbers containing Ch1W6.  The freq. range for this sub-band 
is 10695-10955MHz / 11185-11485MHz. 

For Cambium, the two common 11 GHz sub-bands are Ch1W6 (lower part of band) and 
7W13 (upper part of the band).  These two sub-bands cover the entire 11 GHz 
band.  It appears Ceragon sub-band numbering is the same.

John Seaman
Cambium Networks

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2017 6:06 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon

This is the license, 11325 and 10835 and 80Mhz widths I think?

Maybe the coordinator can find out if it can be changed?

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of John Seaman
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2017 4:42 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon

These radios have diplexers (essentially filters) installed which limit them to 
operate in various sub-sections of the 11 GHz band.  Assuming these sub-band 
numbers correspond to Cambium's, The 7W13 in the part number corresponds to 
10915-11207MHz / 11425-11725MHz which covers the upper part of the band.  6W12 
corresponds to 10895-11205MHz  / 11385-11705MHz which is only 20 MHz lower and 
mostly overlaps with 7W13.  These sub-bands are nearly identical. 

What is the frequency and channel width on your coordination?


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jon Langeler
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2017 2:24 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon

I could be wrong but you don’t have the wideband channel support. Otherwise it 
all relates to the filters installed. 

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.


> On Oct 30, 2017, at 5:17 PM, Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net> wrote:
> 
> My model number is IP-20C-HP-11-500-7W13-H-ESX and L-ESX.
> 
> I can't even find the model number on the Ceragon web site.
> 
> What is the difference between my radio and the one listed that is: 
> IP-20C-HP-11w-500.00-6W12-H-ESX
> 
> Is mine just plain outdated?
> Is there any advantage of the 'new' one over mine, or vice versa?
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
> Sent: Monday, October 30, 2017 2:25 PM
> To: 'af@afmug.com' <af@afmug.com>
> Subject: [AFMUG] Ceragon
> 
> Is there a market for used Ceragon 11GHz radios?
> 
> I need to "swap" my radio set in the 11GHz range to match my licensed range.
> 
> So I need the 'lower' band range and I need the 'higher' band range in the 
> 11GHz.
> 
> My antennas and OMT etc are all good to go, just the radios are not in the 
> range I need.

Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon

[Sterling Jacobson]

This is the license, 11325 and 10835 and 80Mhz widths I think?

Maybe the coordinator can find out if it can be changed?

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of John Seaman
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2017 4:42 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon

These radios have diplexers (essentially filters) installed which limit them to 
operate in various sub-sections of the 11 GHz band.  Assuming these sub-band 
numbers correspond to Cambium's, The 7W13 in the part number corresponds to 
10915-11207MHz / 11425-11725MHz which covers the upper part of the band.  6W12 
corresponds to 10895-11205MHz  / 11385-11705MHz which is only 20 MHz lower and 
mostly overlaps with 7W13.  These sub-bands are nearly identical. 

What is the frequency and channel width on your coordination?


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jon Langeler
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2017 2:24 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon

I could be wrong but you don’t have the wideband channel support. Otherwise it 
all relates to the filters installed. 

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.


> On Oct 30, 2017, at 5:17 PM, Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net> wrote:
> 
> My model number is IP-20C-HP-11-500-7W13-H-ESX and L-ESX.
> 
> I can't even find the model number on the Ceragon web site.
> 
> What is the difference between my radio and the one listed that is: 
> IP-20C-HP-11w-500.00-6W12-H-ESX
> 
> Is mine just plain outdated?
> Is there any advantage of the 'new' one over mine, or vice versa?
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
> Sent: Monday, October 30, 2017 2:25 PM
> To: 'af@afmug.com' <af@afmug.com>
> Subject: [AFMUG] Ceragon
> 
> Is there a market for used Ceragon 11GHz radios?
> 
> I need to "swap" my radio set in the 11GHz range to match my licensed range.
> 
> So I need the 'lower' band range and I need the 'higher' band range in the 
> 11GHz.
> 
> My antennas and OMT etc are all good to go, just the radios are not in the 
> range I need.

Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon

[John Seaman]

These radios have diplexers (essentially filters) installed which limit them to 
operate in various sub-sections of the 11 GHz band.  Assuming these sub-band 
numbers correspond to Cambium's, The 7W13 in the part number corresponds to 
10915-11207MHz / 11425-11725MHz which covers the upper part of the band.  6W12 
corresponds to 10895-11205MHz  / 11385-11705MHz which is only 20 MHz lower and 
mostly overlaps with 7W13.  These sub-bands are nearly identical. 

What is the frequency and channel width on your coordination?


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jon Langeler
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2017 2:24 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon

I could be wrong but you don’t have the wideband channel support. Otherwise it 
all relates to the filters installed. 

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.


> On Oct 30, 2017, at 5:17 PM, Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net> wrote:
> 
> My model number is IP-20C-HP-11-500-7W13-H-ESX and L-ESX.
> 
> I can't even find the model number on the Ceragon web site.
> 
> What is the difference between my radio and the one listed that is: 
> IP-20C-HP-11w-500.00-6W12-H-ESX
> 
> Is mine just plain outdated?
> Is there any advantage of the 'new' one over mine, or vice versa?
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
> Sent: Monday, October 30, 2017 2:25 PM
> To: 'af@afmug.com' <af@afmug.com>
> Subject: [AFMUG] Ceragon
> 
> Is there a market for used Ceragon 11GHz radios?
> 
> I need to "swap" my radio set in the 11GHz range to match my licensed range.
> 
> So I need the 'lower' band range and I need the 'higher' band range in the 
> 11GHz.
> 
> My antennas and OMT etc are all good to go, just the radios are not in the 
> range I need.

Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon

[Jon Langeler]

I could be wrong but you don’t have the wideband channel support. Otherwise it 
all relates to the filters installed. 

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.


> On Oct 30, 2017, at 5:17 PM, Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net> wrote:
> 
> My model number is IP-20C-HP-11-500-7W13-H-ESX and L-ESX.
> 
> I can't even find the model number on the Ceragon web site.
> 
> What is the difference between my radio and the one listed that is: 
> IP-20C-HP-11w-500.00-6W12-H-ESX
> 
> Is mine just plain outdated?
> Is there any advantage of the 'new' one over mine, or vice versa?
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
> Sent: Monday, October 30, 2017 2:25 PM
> To: 'af@afmug.com' <af@afmug.com>
> Subject: [AFMUG] Ceragon
> 
> Is there a market for used Ceragon 11GHz radios?
> 
> I need to "swap" my radio set in the 11GHz range to match my licensed range.
> 
> So I need the 'lower' band range and I need the 'higher' band range in the 
> 11GHz.
> 
> My antennas and OMT etc are all good to go, just the radios are not in the 
> range I need.

Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon

[Sterling Jacobson]

My model number is IP-20C-HP-11-500-7W13-H-ESX and L-ESX.

I can't even find the model number on the Ceragon web site.

What is the difference between my radio and the one listed that is: 
IP-20C-HP-11w-500.00-6W12-H-ESX

Is mine just plain outdated?
Is there any advantage of the 'new' one over mine, or vice versa?



-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2017 2:25 PM
To: 'af@afmug.com' <af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] Ceragon

Is there a market for used Ceragon 11GHz radios?

I need to "swap" my radio set in the 11GHz range to match my licensed range.

So I need the 'lower' band range and I need the 'higher' band range in the 
11GHz.

My antennas and OMT etc are all good to go, just the radios are not in the 
range I need.

[AFMUG] Ceragon

[Sterling Jacobson]

Is there a market for used Ceragon 11GHz radios?

I need to "swap" my radio set in the 11GHz range to match my licensed range.

So I need the 'lower' band range and I need the 'higher' band range in the 
11GHz.

My antennas and OMT etc are all good to go, just the radios are not in the 
range I need.

Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon/820C XPIC way off?

[Seth Mattinen]

On 10/21/17 3:17 PM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:
Ok. so I guess it’s sell/exchange this radio set and get one within 
license bounds.


Or change my license to match the radio set.




Changing your license is obviously gonna be the cheaper option, if the 
channels you need are open.


I remember the first time I used one of the 820's I thought it was weird 
the UI would let you set a frequency outside the hardware range. Others 
like SAF and Exalt won't.

Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon/820C XPIC way off?

[Sterling Jacobson]

Ok. so I guess it’s sell/exchange this radio set and get one within license 
bounds.

Or change my license to match the radio set.



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Darin Steffl
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 4:09 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon/820C XPIC way off?

The range is printed on the radio with the serial number. It should be obvious 
what the range supports for that radio.

You cannot change the range the radio operates in. You would need a different 
radio head to support the band you want to operate in.

On Oct 21, 2017 4:52 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" 
<sterl...@avative.net<mailto:sterl...@avative.net>> wrote:
I figured this out.

No one told me, and I wasn't aware, that these Ceragon Radios has a fixed TX 
and RX range per sku/hardware.

So I was trying to operate the radio a bit out of range of the hardware I guess.

How do I change the TX/RX range for each of my Ceragon radios, and how 
expensive is that??

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2017 11:25 AM
To: 'af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>' <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: [AFMUG] Ceragon/820C XPIC way off?

Trying to aim up these pair of radios in XPIC and it looks like I've got a lot 
of issues.

This is just from trying to peak one side today.

I'll try more on the other side.

But it also appears that I've got a huge difference between the H and V radios 
in dB.

I mean, is a 7dB difference equivalent to like several degrees off in H/V 
rotation?

Our people tried to rotate the radio with the given groove/slack in the radio 
mount, but didn't seem to change anything.

Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon/820C XPIC way off?

[Seth Mattinen]

On 10/21/17 2:52 PM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:

I figured this out.

No one told me, and I wasn't aware, that these Ceragon Radios has a fixed TX 
and RX range per sku/hardware.

So I was trying to operate the radio a bit out of range of the hardware I guess.

How do I change the TX/RX range for each of my Ceragon radios, and how 
expensive is that??



You can't. Basically if that's the case you have the wrong hardware for 
the sub-band you're trying to use.


So you can either try and mod your license to get into the sub-band your 
hardware is for, or replace the hardware.


~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon/820C XPIC way off?

[Darin Steffl]

The range is printed on the radio with the serial number. It should be
obvious what the range supports for that radio.

You cannot change the range the radio operates in. You would need a
different radio head to support the band you want to operate in.

On Oct 21, 2017 4:52 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" <sterl...@avative.net> wrote:

> I figured this out.
>
> No one told me, and I wasn't aware, that these Ceragon Radios has a fixed
> TX and RX range per sku/hardware.
>
> So I was trying to operate the radio a bit out of range of the hardware I
> guess.
>
> How do I change the TX/RX range for each of my Ceragon radios, and how
> expensive is that??
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
> Sent: Friday, September 29, 2017 11:25 AM
> To: 'af@afmug.com' <af@afmug.com>
> Subject: [AFMUG] Ceragon/820C XPIC way off?
>
> Trying to aim up these pair of radios in XPIC and it looks like I've got a
> lot of issues.
>
> This is just from trying to peak one side today.
>
> I'll try more on the other side.
>
> But it also appears that I've got a huge difference between the H and V
> radios in dB.
>
> I mean, is a 7dB difference equivalent to like several degrees off in H/V
> rotation?
>
> Our people tried to rotate the radio with the given groove/slack in the
> radio mount, but didn't seem to change anything.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon/820C XPIC way off?

[Sterling Jacobson]

I figured this out.

No one told me, and I wasn't aware, that these Ceragon Radios has a fixed TX 
and RX range per sku/hardware.

So I was trying to operate the radio a bit out of range of the hardware I guess.

How do I change the TX/RX range for each of my Ceragon radios, and how 
expensive is that??

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2017 11:25 AM
To: 'af@afmug.com' <af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] Ceragon/820C XPIC way off?

Trying to aim up these pair of radios in XPIC and it looks like I've got a lot 
of issues.

This is just from trying to peak one side today.

I'll try more on the other side.

But it also appears that I've got a huge difference between the H and V radios 
in dB.

I mean, is a 7dB difference equivalent to like several degrees off in H/V 
rotation?

Our people tried to rotate the radio with the given groove/slack in the radio 
mount, but didn't seem to change anything.

Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon/820C XPIC way off?

[Mike Hammett]

No attachments are making it through. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Sterling Jacobson" <sterl...@avative.net> 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2017 2:04:11 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon/820C XPIC way off? 



Uh, so ‘mute’ the second radio on each side in that picture? 

And then peak out the one that’s at -61 currently? 

Then turn them both back ‘un mute’? 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Erich Kaiser 
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2017 12:53 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon/820C XPIC way off? 


Align with single pol then turn second pol on. 



It is probably an alignment issue. Been through this before with XPIC... 
















Erich Kaiser 

North Central Tower 

er...@northcentraltower.com 

Office: 630-621-4804 

Cell: 630-777-9291 




On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 12:24 PM, Sterling Jacobson < sterl...@avative.net > 
wrote: 


Trying to aim up these pair of radios in XPIC and it looks like I've got a lot 
of issues. 

This is just from trying to peak one side today. 

I'll try more on the other side. 

But it also appears that I've got a huge difference between the H and V radios 
in dB. 

I mean, is a 7dB difference equivalent to like several degrees off in H/V 
rotation? 

Our people tried to rotate the radio with the given groove/slack in the radio 
mount, but didn't seem to change anything. 

Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon/820C XPIC way off?

[Sterling Jacobson]

Uh, so ‘mute’ the second radio on each side in that picture?

And then peak out the one that’s at -61 currently?

Then turn them both back ‘un mute’?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Erich Kaiser
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2017 12:53 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon/820C XPIC way off?

Align with single pol then turn second pol on.

It is probably an alignment issue.  Been through this before with XPIC...


Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com<mailto:er...@northcentraltower.com>
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291


On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 12:24 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
<sterl...@avative.net<mailto:sterl...@avative.net>> wrote:
Trying to aim up these pair of radios in XPIC and it looks like I've got a lot 
of issues.

This is just from trying to peak one side today.

I'll try more on the other side.

But it also appears that I've got a huge difference between the H and V radios 
in dB.

I mean, is a 7dB difference equivalent to like several degrees off in H/V 
rotation?

Our people tried to rotate the radio with the given groove/slack in the radio 
mount, but didn't seem to change anything.

Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon/820C XPIC way off?

[Erich Kaiser]

Align with single pol then turn second pol on.

It is probably an alignment issue.  Been through this before with XPIC...


Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291


On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 12:24 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
wrote:

> Trying to aim up these pair of radios in XPIC and it looks like I've got a
> lot of issues.
>
> This is just from trying to peak one side today.
>
> I'll try more on the other side.
>
> But it also appears that I've got a huge difference between the H and V
> radios in dB.
>
> I mean, is a 7dB difference equivalent to like several degrees off in H/V
> rotation?
>
> Our people tried to rotate the radio with the given groove/slack in the
> radio mount, but didn't seem to change anything.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon/820C XPIC way off?

[chuck]

No, 45 degrees will drop you 3 dB
Rotation is not the problem.

2cos(45) per end

-Original Message- 
From: Sterling Jacobson

Sent: Friday, September 29, 2017 11:24 AM
To: 'af@afmug.com'
Subject: [AFMUG] Ceragon/820C XPIC way off?

Trying to aim up these pair of radios in XPIC and it looks like I've got a 
lot of issues.


This is just from trying to peak one side today.

I'll try more on the other side.

But it also appears that I've got a huge difference between the H and V 
radios in dB.


I mean, is a 7dB difference equivalent to like several degrees off in H/V 
rotation?


Our people tried to rotate the radio with the given groove/slack in the 
radio mount, but didn't seem to change anything. 

[AFMUG] Ceragon/820C XPIC way off?

[Sterling Jacobson]

Trying to aim up these pair of radios in XPIC and it looks like I've got a lot 
of issues.

This is just from trying to peak one side today.

I'll try more on the other side.

But it also appears that I've got a huge difference between the H and V radios 
in dB.

I mean, is a 7dB difference equivalent to like several degrees off in H/V 
rotation?

Our people tried to rotate the radio with the given groove/slack in the radio 
mount, but didn't seem to change anything.

[AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C/820C Config Help

[Sterling Jacobson]

Ok, so I think I'm back in business after all the Ceragon shipment crapola.

I've got my IP20C radios running and one side is showing around -70/-77 for V/H 
on XPIC.
The other side shows -93 on both, so it's not configured correctly or aimed at 
all maybe.

Was there someone on this list I could give access to my Ceragon radios and 
have them check configuration for my link params?

It's still on version 8.

Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon Sucks, VLAN help please

[Sterling Jacobson]

I found it finally.

I searched Cambium stuff for the answer and that was a lot more helpful.

It was buried under a sub menu button under a submenu item.

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2017 2:16 PM
To: 'af@afmug.com' <af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] Ceragon Sucks, VLAN help please

I hate Ceragon with a passion.

For the life of me I cannot figure out how to configure in-band management on 
my IP20C that they reset to defaults.

Nowhere in the GUI does it have any option for VLAN.

My other side has it set up, but going through what I thought was all of the 
pages I can't see where the VLAN setting I'm even USING is shown on that side 
of the link.

Let alone program it on the defaulted side now.

Anyone that can give me basic steps to setting up in band management on IP20C 
for version 8? Or CLI?

Also, if anyone has the newer software version, I wouldn't mind that.

Ceragon is no help unless you pay them a small fortune every year.

[AFMUG] Ceragon Sucks, VLAN help please

[Sterling Jacobson]

I hate Ceragon with a passion.

For the life of me I cannot figure out how to configure in-band management on 
my IP20C that they reset to defaults.

Nowhere in the GUI does it have any option for VLAN.

My other side has it set up, but going through what I thought was all of the 
pages I can't see where the VLAN setting I'm even USING is shown on that side 
of the link.

Let alone program it on the defaulted side now.

Anyone that can give me basic steps to setting up in band management on IP20C 
for version 8? Or CLI?

Also, if anyone has the newer software version, I wouldn't mind that.

Ceragon is no help unless you pay them a small fortune every year.

[AFMUG] Ceragon Software

[Sterling Jacobson]

Anyone have the latest Ceragon update software for the IPC20?

Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon AGAIN, help please!

[Carl Peterson]

Looking at the pics, I would guess that the hook on the antenna is now
interfering with the loop on the ODU causing the holes not to line up so
either bend the loop back or cut it off.

On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 1:31 PM, Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net>
wrote:

> Yeah, I figured the hook wasn't necessary.
>
> But my team is telling me the bolt holes and center hole don't even line
> up correctly.
>
> I'm wondering if I'm missing some middle multiplex piece?
>
> Or if the bolt mount areas got damaged as well.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
> Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 11:04 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon AGAIN, help please!
>
> In the pic of the antenna you can see a hook sticking up towards the top.
> The bent handle goes over the hook.  There are retaining screws as well.
> It might not attach at all with the handle in that shape.  The beauty of
> the hook thing is that it's simple to put the radio in position on the
> antenna, but the 4 screws will definitely hold the radio without the hook &
> handle thing.
>
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 8/17/2017 12:41:29 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon AGAIN, help please!
>
> >OK, I see.  I can bend it back with a hydraulic press and weld it back
> >on if it breaks off.
> >I thought it mounted with the screws.  Is that handle looking part
> >necessary to the overall mounting?
> >
> >-Original Message- From: Sterling Jacobson
> >Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 10:24 AM
> >To: af@afmug.com
> >Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon AGAIN, help please!
> >
> >Here is the bent mount.
> >
> >If I can get a replacement part, I guess I'm good to swap it out?
> >
> >
> >
> >-Original Message-
> >From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
> >Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 10:19 AM
> >To: af@afmug.com
> >Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon AGAIN, help please!
> >
> >I guess the photos didn't go through because there were three of them?
> >
> >I'll try again in sequence.
> >
> >Check out this antenna photo, there is a wasp caught flying in the
> >lower right, lol
> >
> >-Original Message-
> >From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
> >Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 10:16 AM
> >To: 'af@afmug.com' <af@afmug.com>
> >Subject: [AFMUG] Ceragon AGAIN, help please!
> >
> >They sent me back my radio in a box with little to no padding.
> >
> >
> >Check it out: https://youtu.be/lCKJjy1jBzg
> >
> >It appears my ODU now has severely damaged/bent mounting and the holes
> >don't line up.
> >
> >They are taking no responsibility for it and want me to buy a mounting
> >part to replace the damaged one.
> >
> >Is that even possible in this case?
> >
> >Attached are the photos for reference.
> >
> >It's been over a year going on with the password 'bug' they didn't
> >admit to, and shipping back and forth within Ceragon.
> >One of their non-tech guys got a hold of it and 'fixed' my password
> >'bug' supposedly, 'saving' me thousands of dollars they wanted to
> >charge me to even touch the radio.
> >
> >But not sure it was worth it now that the ODU is so damaged I can't
> >mount it back on the antenna.
> >
> >Can I just say, I really loath Ceragon at this point.
> >Their finger pointing and disregard for customers is appalling given I
> >spent over $25k for this radio set orginally (and that was DISCOUNTED
> >from retail $40K+)
> >
> >
> >
>
>


-- 

Carl Peterson

*PORT NETWORKS*

401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553

Baltimore, MD 21202

(410) 637-3707

Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon AGAIN, help please!

[Sterling Jacobson]

Yeah, I figured the hook wasn't necessary.

But my team is telling me the bolt holes and center hole don't even line up 
correctly.

I'm wondering if I'm missing some middle multiplex piece?

Or if the bolt mount areas got damaged as well.

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 11:04 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon AGAIN, help please!

In the pic of the antenna you can see a hook sticking up towards the top.  The 
bent handle goes over the hook.  There are retaining screws as well.  It might 
not attach at all with the handle in that shape.  The beauty of the hook thing 
is that it's simple to put the radio in position on the antenna, but the 4 
screws will definitely hold the radio without the hook & handle thing.




-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 8/17/2017 12:41:29 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon AGAIN, help please!

>OK, I see.  I can bend it back with a hydraulic press and weld it back 
>on if it breaks off.
>I thought it mounted with the screws.  Is that handle looking part 
>necessary to the overall mounting?
>
>-Original Message- From: Sterling Jacobson
>Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 10:24 AM
>To: af@afmug.com
>Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon AGAIN, help please!
>
>Here is the bent mount.
>
>If I can get a replacement part, I guess I'm good to swap it out?
>
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
>Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 10:19 AM
>To: af@afmug.com
>Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon AGAIN, help please!
>
>I guess the photos didn't go through because there were three of them?
>
>I'll try again in sequence.
>
>Check out this antenna photo, there is a wasp caught flying in the 
>lower right, lol
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
>Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 10:16 AM
>To: 'af@afmug.com' <af@afmug.com>
>Subject: [AFMUG] Ceragon AGAIN, help please!
>
>They sent me back my radio in a box with little to no padding.
>
>
>Check it out: https://youtu.be/lCKJjy1jBzg
>
>It appears my ODU now has severely damaged/bent mounting and the holes 
>don't line up.
>
>They are taking no responsibility for it and want me to buy a mounting 
>part to replace the damaged one.
>
>Is that even possible in this case?
>
>Attached are the photos for reference.
>
>It's been over a year going on with the password 'bug' they didn't 
>admit to, and shipping back and forth within Ceragon.
>One of their non-tech guys got a hold of it and 'fixed' my password 
>'bug' supposedly, 'saving' me thousands of dollars they wanted to 
>charge me to even touch the radio.
>
>But not sure it was worth it now that the ODU is so damaged I can't 
>mount it back on the antenna.
>
>Can I just say, I really loath Ceragon at this point.
>Their finger pointing and disregard for customers is appalling given I 
>spent over $25k for this radio set orginally (and that was DISCOUNTED 
>from retail $40K+)
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon AGAIN, help please!

[Trey Scarborough]

If you don't have any luck with them shoot me an email with what model 
it is and I can help you out. I have a great deal of parts for Ceragon 
of all ages.



On 8/17/2017 11:55 AM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:

On 8/17/2017 11:24 AM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:

Here is the bent mount.

If I can get a replacement part, I guess I'm good to swap it out?



-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 10:19 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon AGAIN, help please!

I guess the photos didn't go through because there were three of them?

I'll try again in sequence.

Check out this antenna photo, there is a wasp caught flying in the lower right, 
lol

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 10:16 AM
To: 'af@afmug.com' <af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] Ceragon AGAIN, help please!

They sent me back my radio in a box with little to no padding.


Check it out: https://youtu.be/lCKJjy1jBzg

It appears my ODU now has severely damaged/bent mounting and the holes don't 
line up.

They are taking no responsibility for it and want me to buy a mounting part to 
replace the damaged one.

Is that even possible in this case?

Attached are the photos for reference.

It's been over a year going on with the password 'bug' they didn't admit to, 
and shipping back and forth within Ceragon.
One of their non-tech guys got a hold of it and 'fixed' my password 'bug' 
supposedly, 'saving' me thousands of dollars they wanted to charge me to even 
touch the radio.

But not sure it was worth it now that the ODU is so damaged I can't mount it 
back on the antenna.

Can I just say, I really loath Ceragon at this point.
Their finger pointing and disregard for customers is appalling given I spent 
over $25k for this radio set orginally (and that was DISCOUNTED from retail 
$40K+)

Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon AGAIN, help please!

[Adam Moffett]

In the pic of the antenna you can see a hook sticking up towards the 
top.  The bent handle goes over the hook.  There are retaining screws as 
well.  It might not attach at all with the handle in that shape.  The 
beauty of the hook thing is that it's simple to put the radio in 
position on the antenna, but the 4 screws will definitely hold the radio 
without the hook & handle thing.





-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 8/17/2017 12:41:29 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon AGAIN, help please!

OK, I see.  I can bend it back with a hydraulic press and weld it back 
on if it breaks off.
I thought it mounted with the screws.  Is that handle looking part 
necessary to the overall mounting?


-Original Message- From: Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 10:24 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon AGAIN, help please!

Here is the bent mount.

If I can get a replacement part, I guess I'm good to swap it out?



-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 10:19 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon AGAIN, help please!

I guess the photos didn't go through because there were three of them?

I'll try again in sequence.

Check out this antenna photo, there is a wasp caught flying in the 
lower right, lol


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 10:16 AM
To: 'af@afmug.com' <af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] Ceragon AGAIN, help please!

They sent me back my radio in a box with little to no padding.


Check it out: https://youtu.be/lCKJjy1jBzg

It appears my ODU now has severely damaged/bent mounting and the holes 
don't line up.


They are taking no responsibility for it and want me to buy a mounting 
part to replace the damaged one.


Is that even possible in this case?

Attached are the photos for reference.

It's been over a year going on with the password 'bug' they didn't 
admit to, and shipping back and forth within Ceragon.
One of their non-tech guys got a hold of it and 'fixed' my password 
'bug' supposedly, 'saving' me thousands of dollars they wanted to 
charge me to even touch the radio.


But not sure it was worth it now that the ODU is so damaged I can't 
mount it back on the antenna.


Can I just say, I really loath Ceragon at this point.
Their finger pointing and disregard for customers is appalling given I 
spent over $25k for this radio set orginally (and that was DISCOUNTED 
from retail $40K+)

Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon AGAIN, help please!

[Sterling Jacobson]

I think it clips on that bent part somehow.

And they said the screw holes don't line up anymore, so I'm not sure if they 
were also bent, or if I'm missing a whole part in between.

But when I get it back we can take a look and I can pay you to try to fix that, 
if you don't mind.

I told Ceragon to send me a replacement, but we'll see how that goes down.


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 10:41 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon AGAIN, help please!

OK, I see.  I can bend it back with a hydraulic press and weld it back on if it 
breaks off.
I thought it mounted with the screws.  Is that handle looking part necessary to 
the overall mounting?

-Original Message-
From: Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 10:24 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon AGAIN, help please!

Here is the bent mount.

If I can get a replacement part, I guess I'm good to swap it out?



-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 10:19 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon AGAIN, help please!

I guess the photos didn't go through because there were three of them?

I'll try again in sequence.

Check out this antenna photo, there is a wasp caught flying in the lower right, 
lol

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 10:16 AM
To: 'af@afmug.com' <af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] Ceragon AGAIN, help please!

They sent me back my radio in a box with little to no padding.


Check it out: https://youtu.be/lCKJjy1jBzg

It appears my ODU now has severely damaged/bent mounting and the holes don't 
line up.

They are taking no responsibility for it and want me to buy a mounting part to 
replace the damaged one.

Is that even possible in this case?

Attached are the photos for reference.

It's been over a year going on with the password 'bug' they didn't admit to, 
and shipping back and forth within Ceragon.
One of their non-tech guys got a hold of it and 'fixed' my password 'bug' 
supposedly, 'saving' me thousands of dollars they wanted to charge me to even 
touch the radio.

But not sure it was worth it now that the ODU is so damaged I can't mount it 
back on the antenna.

Can I just say, I really loath Ceragon at this point.
Their finger pointing and disregard for customers is appalling given I spent 
over $25k for this radio set orginally (and that was DISCOUNTED from retail
$40K+)

Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon AGAIN, help please!

[Chuck McCown]

I have had freight companies really damage some stuff before, but that is 
more than I have seen.
Of course, proper packing would have solved the problem and that is what the 
freight company will say if you make a claim with them.


-Original Message- 
From: Chuck McCown

Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 10:44 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon AGAIN, help please!

Big hammer.

-Original Message- 
From: Travis Johnson

Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 10:43 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon AGAIN, help please!

Can't you just bend it back and mount it? If it works great, and if not
you aren't any worse off than you are now.

Travis


On 8/17/2017 10:23 AM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:

Here is the bent mount.

If I can get a replacement part, I guess I'm good to swap it out?



-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 10:19 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon AGAIN, help please!

I guess the photos didn't go through because there were three of them?

I'll try again in sequence.

Check out this antenna photo, there is a wasp caught flying in the lower 
right, lol


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 10:16 AM
To: 'af@afmug.com' <af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] Ceragon AGAIN, help please!

They sent me back my radio in a box with little to no padding.


Check it out: https://youtu.be/lCKJjy1jBzg

It appears my ODU now has severely damaged/bent mounting and the holes 
don't line up.


They are taking no responsibility for it and want me to buy a mounting 
part to replace the damaged one.


Is that even possible in this case?

Attached are the photos for reference.

It's been over a year going on with the password 'bug' they didn't admit 
to, and shipping back and forth within Ceragon.
One of their non-tech guys got a hold of it and 'fixed' my password 'bug' 
supposedly, 'saving' me thousands of dollars they wanted to charge me to 
even touch the radio.


But not sure it was worth it now that the ODU is so damaged I can't mount 
it back on the antenna.


Can I just say, I really loath Ceragon at this point.
Their finger pointing and disregard for customers is appalling given I 
spent over $25k for this radio set orginally (and that was DISCOUNTED from 
retail $40K+)

Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon AGAIN, help please!

[Travis Johnson]

Can't you just bend it back and mount it? If it works great, and if not 
you aren't any worse off than you are now.


Travis


On 8/17/2017 10:23 AM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:

Here is the bent mount.

If I can get a replacement part, I guess I'm good to swap it out?



-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 10:19 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon AGAIN, help please!

I guess the photos didn't go through because there were three of them?

I'll try again in sequence.

Check out this antenna photo, there is a wasp caught flying in the lower right, 
lol

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 10:16 AM
To: 'af@afmug.com' <af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] Ceragon AGAIN, help please!

They sent me back my radio in a box with little to no padding.


Check it out: https://youtu.be/lCKJjy1jBzg

It appears my ODU now has severely damaged/bent mounting and the holes don't 
line up.

They are taking no responsibility for it and want me to buy a mounting part to 
replace the damaged one.

Is that even possible in this case?

Attached are the photos for reference.

It's been over a year going on with the password 'bug' they didn't admit to, 
and shipping back and forth within Ceragon.
One of their non-tech guys got a hold of it and 'fixed' my password 'bug' 
supposedly, 'saving' me thousands of dollars they wanted to charge me to even 
touch the radio.

But not sure it was worth it now that the ODU is so damaged I can't mount it 
back on the antenna.

Can I just say, I really loath Ceragon at this point.
Their finger pointing and disregard for customers is appalling given I spent 
over $25k for this radio set orginally (and that was DISCOUNTED from retail 
$40K+)

Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon AGAIN, help please!

[Chuck McCown]

Big hammer.

-Original Message- 
From: Travis Johnson

Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 10:43 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon AGAIN, help please!

Can't you just bend it back and mount it? If it works great, and if not
you aren't any worse off than you are now.

Travis


On 8/17/2017 10:23 AM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:

Here is the bent mount.

If I can get a replacement part, I guess I'm good to swap it out?



-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 10:19 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon AGAIN, help please!

I guess the photos didn't go through because there were three of them?

I'll try again in sequence.

Check out this antenna photo, there is a wasp caught flying in the lower 
right, lol


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 10:16 AM
To: 'af@afmug.com' <af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] Ceragon AGAIN, help please!

They sent me back my radio in a box with little to no padding.


Check it out: https://youtu.be/lCKJjy1jBzg

It appears my ODU now has severely damaged/bent mounting and the holes 
don't line up.


They are taking no responsibility for it and want me to buy a mounting 
part to replace the damaged one.


Is that even possible in this case?

Attached are the photos for reference.

It's been over a year going on with the password 'bug' they didn't admit 
to, and shipping back and forth within Ceragon.
One of their non-tech guys got a hold of it and 'fixed' my password 'bug' 
supposedly, 'saving' me thousands of dollars they wanted to charge me to 
even touch the radio.


But not sure it was worth it now that the ODU is so damaged I can't mount 
it back on the antenna.


Can I just say, I really loath Ceragon at this point.
Their finger pointing and disregard for customers is appalling given I 
spent over $25k for this radio set orginally (and that was DISCOUNTED from 
retail $40K+)

Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon AGAIN, help please!

[Chuck McCown]

OK, I see.  I can bend it back with a hydraulic press and weld it back on if 
it breaks off.
I thought it mounted with the screws.  Is that handle looking part necessary 
to the overall mounting?


-Original Message- 
From: Sterling Jacobson

Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 10:24 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon AGAIN, help please!

Here is the bent mount.

If I can get a replacement part, I guess I'm good to swap it out?



-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 10:19 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon AGAIN, help please!

I guess the photos didn't go through because there were three of them?

I'll try again in sequence.

Check out this antenna photo, there is a wasp caught flying in the lower 
right, lol


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 10:16 AM
To: 'af@afmug.com' <af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] Ceragon AGAIN, help please!

They sent me back my radio in a box with little to no padding.


Check it out: https://youtu.be/lCKJjy1jBzg

It appears my ODU now has severely damaged/bent mounting and the holes don't 
line up.


They are taking no responsibility for it and want me to buy a mounting part 
to replace the damaged one.


Is that even possible in this case?

Attached are the photos for reference.

It's been over a year going on with the password 'bug' they didn't admit to, 
and shipping back and forth within Ceragon.
One of their non-tech guys got a hold of it and 'fixed' my password 'bug' 
supposedly, 'saving' me thousands of dollars they wanted to charge me to 
even touch the radio.


But not sure it was worth it now that the ODU is so damaged I can't mount it 
back on the antenna.


Can I just say, I really loath Ceragon at this point.
Their finger pointing and disregard for customers is appalling given I spent 
over $25k for this radio set orginally (and that was DISCOUNTED from retail 
$40K+)

Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon AGAIN, help please!

[Chuck McCown]

Not sure I understand the problem, but if I can make a part, fix a part etc 
let me know.

I can take the radio home tonight and bring it back Tuesday.

-Original Message- 
From: Sterling Jacobson

Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 10:18 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon AGAIN, help please!

I guess the photos didn't go through because there were three of them?

I'll try again in sequence.

Check out this antenna photo, there is a wasp caught flying in the lower 
right, lol


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 10:16 AM
To: 'af@afmug.com' <af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] Ceragon AGAIN, help please!

They sent me back my radio in a box with little to no padding.


Check it out: https://youtu.be/lCKJjy1jBzg

It appears my ODU now has severely damaged/bent mounting and the holes don't 
line up.


They are taking no responsibility for it and want me to buy a mounting part 
to replace the damaged one.


Is that even possible in this case?

Attached are the photos for reference.

It's been over a year going on with the password 'bug' they didn't admit to, 
and shipping back and forth within Ceragon.
One of their non-tech guys got a hold of it and 'fixed' my password 'bug' 
supposedly, 'saving' me thousands of dollars they wanted to charge me to 
even touch the radio.


But not sure it was worth it now that the ODU is so damaged I can't mount it 
back on the antenna.


Can I just say, I really loath Ceragon at this point.
Their finger pointing and disregard for customers is appalling given I spent 
over $25k for this radio set orginally (and that was DISCOUNTED from retail 
$40K+)

Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon AGAIN, help please!

[Sterling Jacobson]

Here is the bent mount.

If I can get a replacement part, I guess I'm good to swap it out?



-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 10:19 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon AGAIN, help please!

I guess the photos didn't go through because there were three of them?

I'll try again in sequence.

Check out this antenna photo, there is a wasp caught flying in the lower right, 
lol

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 10:16 AM
To: 'af@afmug.com' <af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] Ceragon AGAIN, help please!

They sent me back my radio in a box with little to no padding.


Check it out: https://youtu.be/lCKJjy1jBzg

It appears my ODU now has severely damaged/bent mounting and the holes don't 
line up.

They are taking no responsibility for it and want me to buy a mounting part to 
replace the damaged one.

Is that even possible in this case?

Attached are the photos for reference.

It's been over a year going on with the password 'bug' they didn't admit to, 
and shipping back and forth within Ceragon.
One of their non-tech guys got a hold of it and 'fixed' my password 'bug' 
supposedly, 'saving' me thousands of dollars they wanted to charge me to even 
touch the radio.

But not sure it was worth it now that the ODU is so damaged I can't mount it 
back on the antenna.

Can I just say, I really loath Ceragon at this point.
Their finger pointing and disregard for customers is appalling given I spent 
over $25k for this radio set orginally (and that was DISCOUNTED from retail 
$40K+)

Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon AGAIN, help please!

[Sterling Jacobson]

I guess the photos didn't go through because there were three of them?

I'll try again in sequence.

Check out this antenna photo, there is a wasp caught flying in the lower right, 
lol

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 10:16 AM
To: 'af@afmug.com' <af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] Ceragon AGAIN, help please!

They sent me back my radio in a box with little to no padding.


Check it out: https://youtu.be/lCKJjy1jBzg

It appears my ODU now has severely damaged/bent mounting and the holes don't 
line up.

They are taking no responsibility for it and want me to buy a mounting part to 
replace the damaged one.

Is that even possible in this case?

Attached are the photos for reference.

It's been over a year going on with the password 'bug' they didn't admit to, 
and shipping back and forth within Ceragon.
One of their non-tech guys got a hold of it and 'fixed' my password 'bug' 
supposedly, 'saving' me thousands of dollars they wanted to charge me to even 
touch the radio.

But not sure it was worth it now that the ODU is so damaged I can't mount it 
back on the antenna.

Can I just say, I really loath Ceragon at this point.
Their finger pointing and disregard for customers is appalling given I spent 
over $25k for this radio set orginally (and that was DISCOUNTED from retail 
$40K+)

[AFMUG] Ceragon AGAIN, help please!

[Sterling Jacobson]

They sent me back my radio in a box with little to no padding.


Check it out: https://youtu.be/lCKJjy1jBzg

It appears my ODU now has severely damaged/bent mounting and the holes don't 
line up.

They are taking no responsibility for it and want me to buy a mounting part to 
replace the damaged one.

Is that even possible in this case?

Attached are the photos for reference.

It's been over a year going on with the password 'bug' they didn't admit to, 
and shipping back and forth within Ceragon.
One of their non-tech guys got a hold of it and 'fixed' my password 'bug' 
supposedly, 'saving' me thousands of dollars they wanted to charge me to even 
touch the radio.

But not sure it was worth it now that the ODU is so damaged I can't mount it 
back on the antenna.

Can I just say, I really loath Ceragon at this point.
Their finger pointing and disregard for customers is appalling given I spent 
over $25k for this radio set orginally (and that was DISCOUNTED from retail 
$40K+)

[AFMUG] Ceragon IP10 change polarity

[Adam Moffett]

I need to change an existing Ceragon IP-10 (I think IP-10G) from 
Vertical to horizontal polarity.
Do we just rotate the ODU, or do we have to adjust something on the dish 
also?  Anybody happen to know?

[AFMUG] Ceragon

[Sterling Jacobson]

When I call them, their system doesn't do anything when I try and select 2 for 
support.

When I email their RMA they tell me to email support and when I email support 
no one responds.

And I still have the password bug where I KNOW I put in the right password for 
more than one existing account and it doesn't let me log in to the unit.

Anyone know an actual person at Ceragon that can just talk to me?

Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP-20c Password bug?

[MVTVWISPA]

It has worked for me and I was directly connected management to radio.
Don't know if that makes a difference?

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2017 11:59 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP-20c Password bug?

I have that, but can't get it to respond or work.

Just says Timed out.

I don't think I changed the SNMP stuff on my radio, but I'll keep trying.

Really does suck.

Don't want to have to take it down and ship it back to them RMA.

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of MVTVWISPA
Sent: Thursday, March 2, 2017 10:55 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP-20c Password bug?

Sterling-

I had this and support sent me an scan program that ran by snmp on the unit
assuming you know the read/write name.
You could then set up a new account for a back door login.
I do not remember the name but Ask Support

Greg 

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2017 7:23 PM
To: 'af@afmug.com' <af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP-20c Password bug?

So I'm pretty sure there is some sort of password bug on the Ceragon units.

I changed my password in the interface and then set the NTP time server and
updated the time, which was like years past what it was currently reading
after reboot.

I also changed the IP address.

I exited and re-entered the interface with the user/password just fine.

Then I "reset" the unit to reboot it.

Now no matter what I do no user/password combo works.

Ceragon tech says I need to RMA it.

I'm pissed.

I have the other unit set similarly, but I am afraid to "reset" or
reboot/power cycle it now.

Any one seen this before?

Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP-20c Password bug?

[Sterling Jacobson]

I have that, but can't get it to respond or work.

Just says Timed out.

I don't think I changed the SNMP stuff on my radio, but I'll keep trying.

Really does suck.

Don't want to have to take it down and ship it back to them RMA.

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of MVTVWISPA
Sent: Thursday, March 2, 2017 10:55 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP-20c Password bug?

Sterling-

I had this and support sent me an scan program that ran by snmp on the unit 
assuming you know the read/write name.
You could then set up a new account for a back door login.
I do not remember the name but Ask Support

Greg 

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2017 7:23 PM
To: 'af@afmug.com' <af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP-20c Password bug?

So I'm pretty sure there is some sort of password bug on the Ceragon units.

I changed my password in the interface and then set the NTP time server and 
updated the time, which was like years past what it was currently reading after 
reboot.

I also changed the IP address.

I exited and re-entered the interface with the user/password just fine.

Then I "reset" the unit to reboot it.

Now no matter what I do no user/password combo works.

Ceragon tech says I need to RMA it.

I'm pissed.

I have the other unit set similarly, but I am afraid to "reset" or reboot/power 
cycle it now.

Any one seen this before?

Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP-20c Password bug?

[MVTVWISPA]

Sterling-

I had this and support sent me an scan program that ran by snmp on the unit
assuming you know the read/write name.
You could then set up a new account for a back door login.
I do not remember the name but Ask Support

Greg 

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2017 7:23 PM
To: 'af@afmug.com' <af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP-20c Password bug?

So I'm pretty sure there is some sort of password bug on the Ceragon units.

I changed my password in the interface and then set the NTP time server and
updated the time, which was like years past what it was currently reading
after reboot.

I also changed the IP address.

I exited and re-entered the interface with the user/password just fine.

Then I "reset" the unit to reboot it.

Now no matter what I do no user/password combo works.

Ceragon tech says I need to RMA it.

I'm pissed.

I have the other unit set similarly, but I am afraid to "reset" or
reboot/power cycle it now.

Any one seen this before?

Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP-20c Password bug?

[Sterling Jacobson]

This is from the other side which should be the same version.

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jon Langeler
Sent: Wednesday, March 1, 2017 7:45 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP-20c Password bug?

What software version?

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.


> On Mar 1, 2017, at 9:43 PM, Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net> wrote:
> 
> Uh, yeah, exactly.
> 
> Support isn't exactly forthcoming on the fact it just plain locked me out of 
> all my accounts on it.
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
> Sent: Wednesday, March 1, 2017 6:32 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP-20c Password bug?
> 
> Kinda like. 
> http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PTP-820-Licensed-Microwave/PTP-820-admin-user-locked-out/td-p/57347
>  
> ???
> 
>> On 3/1/2017 7:23 PM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:
>> So I'm pretty sure there is some sort of password bug on the Ceragon units.
>> 
>> I changed my password in the interface and then set the NTP time server and 
>> updated the time, which was like years past what it was currently reading 
>> after reboot.
>> 
>> I also changed the IP address.
>> 
>> I exited and re-entered the interface with the user/password just fine.
>> 
>> Then I "reset" the unit to reboot it.
>> 
>> Now no matter what I do no user/password combo works.
>> 
>> Ceragon tech says I need to RMA it.
>> 
>> I'm pissed.
>> 
>> I have the other unit set similarly, but I am afraid to "reset" or 
>> reboot/power cycle it now.
>> 
>> Any one seen this before?
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP-20c Password bug?

[Jon Langeler]

What software version?

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.


> On Mar 1, 2017, at 9:43 PM, Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net> wrote:
> 
> Uh, yeah, exactly.
> 
> Support isn't exactly forthcoming on the fact it just plain locked me out of 
> all my accounts on it.
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
> Sent: Wednesday, March 1, 2017 6:32 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP-20c Password bug?
> 
> Kinda like. 
> http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PTP-820-Licensed-Microwave/PTP-820-admin-user-locked-out/td-p/57347
>  
> ???
> 
>> On 3/1/2017 7:23 PM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:
>> So I'm pretty sure there is some sort of password bug on the Ceragon units.
>> 
>> I changed my password in the interface and then set the NTP time server and 
>> updated the time, which was like years past what it was currently reading 
>> after reboot.
>> 
>> I also changed the IP address.
>> 
>> I exited and re-entered the interface with the user/password just fine.
>> 
>> Then I "reset" the unit to reboot it.
>> 
>> Now no matter what I do no user/password combo works.
>> 
>> Ceragon tech says I need to RMA it.
>> 
>> I'm pissed.
>> 
>> I have the other unit set similarly, but I am afraid to "reset" or 
>> reboot/power cycle it now.
>> 
>> Any one seen this before?
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP-20c Password bug?

[Sterling Jacobson]

Uh, yeah, exactly.

Support isn't exactly forthcoming on the fact it just plain locked me out of 
all my accounts on it.



-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Wednesday, March 1, 2017 6:32 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP-20c Password bug?

Kinda like. 
http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PTP-820-Licensed-Microwave/PTP-820-admin-user-locked-out/td-p/57347
 
???

On 3/1/2017 7:23 PM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:
> So I'm pretty sure there is some sort of password bug on the Ceragon units.
>
> I changed my password in the interface and then set the NTP time server and 
> updated the time, which was like years past what it was currently reading 
> after reboot.
>
> I also changed the IP address.
>
> I exited and re-entered the interface with the user/password just fine.
>
> Then I "reset" the unit to reboot it.
>
> Now no matter what I do no user/password combo works.
>
> Ceragon tech says I need to RMA it.
>
> I'm pissed.
>
> I have the other unit set similarly, but I am afraid to "reset" or 
> reboot/power cycle it now.
>
> Any one seen this before?

Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP-20c Password bug?

[George Skorup]

Kinda like. 
http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PTP-820-Licensed-Microwave/PTP-820-admin-user-locked-out/td-p/57347 
???


On 3/1/2017 7:23 PM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:

So I'm pretty sure there is some sort of password bug on the Ceragon units.

I changed my password in the interface and then set the NTP time server and 
updated the time, which was like years past what it was currently reading after 
reboot.

I also changed the IP address.

I exited and re-entered the interface with the user/password just fine.

Then I "reset" the unit to reboot it.

Now no matter what I do no user/password combo works.

Ceragon tech says I need to RMA it.

I'm pissed.

I have the other unit set similarly, but I am afraid to "reset" or reboot/power 
cycle it now.

Any one seen this before?

[AFMUG] Ceragon IP-20c Password bug?

[Sterling Jacobson]

So I'm pretty sure there is some sort of password bug on the Ceragon units.

I changed my password in the interface and then set the NTP time server and 
updated the time, which was like years past what it was currently reading after 
reboot.

I also changed the IP address.

I exited and re-entered the interface with the user/password just fine.

Then I "reset" the unit to reboot it.

Now no matter what I do no user/password combo works.

Ceragon tech says I need to RMA it.

I'm pissed.

I have the other unit set similarly, but I am afraid to "reset" or reboot/power 
cycle it now.

Any one seen this before?

Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP-20C POE

[Sterling Jacobson]

This picture didn't come through, but this is the unit I got from Chuck to make 
this work.

http://www.mccowntech.com/800-gige-poe-outdoor-cat-6-poe-injector-ethernet-surge-protector/


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 5:57 PM
To: 'af@afmug.com' <af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP-20C POE

Ok, so I'm still confused by this.

I want to inject -48v on POE using Chucks module (picture attached).

I can't seem to find any data though on exactly how the POE "in" works on the 
Ceragon IP-20C (Or the 820C which I assume is the same).
I think I can figure out Chucks module, but some help with that would be 
appreciated too.

Can someone spell this out for me and point to a reference for the POE power 
assignments on the actual port of the radio?

I really wish the 'people' working on my radio had not lost the official 
original POE injector module I had, GR!

[AFMUG] Ceragon IP-20C POE

[Sterling Jacobson]

Ok, so I'm still confused by this.

I want to inject -48v on POE using Chucks module (picture attached).

I can't seem to find any data though on exactly how the POE "in" works on the 
Ceragon IP-20C (Or the 820C which I assume is the same).
I think I can figure out Chucks module, but some help with that would be 
appreciated too.

Can someone spell this out for me and point to a reference for the POE power 
assignments on the actual port of the radio?

I really wish the 'people' working on my radio had not lost the official 
original POE injector module I had, GR!

Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP10 firmware

[Jon Langeler]

What version are you on?

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.


> On Jan 8, 2017, at 10:29 AM, Erich Kaiser  wrote:
> 
> Anyone willing to send me latest Ceragon IP10C Firmware, please hit me 
> offilist.  We have a bug in current software where traffic stops passing on 
> the remote end and it requires a CLI remote reboot in order for it to start 
> passing traffic again.
> 
> Erich Kaiser
> North Central Tower
> er...@northcentraltower.com
> Office: 630-621-4804
> Cell: 630-777-9291
> 

[AFMUG] Ceragon IP10 firmware

[Erich Kaiser]

Anyone willing to send me latest Ceragon IP10C Firmware, please hit me
offilist.  We have a bug in current software where traffic stops passing on
the remote end and it requires a CLI remote reboot in order for it to start
passing traffic again.

Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291

Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon repairs

[Josh Luthman]

PDMnet maybe?  SWG possibly?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 2:10 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> Could anybody repair a Ceragon IP10c (all outdoor model) with dead
> ethernet ports?
>
>

[AFMUG] Ceragon repairs

[Adam Moffett]

Could anybody repair a Ceragon IP10c (all outdoor model) with dead 
ethernet ports?

Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C RSTP

[Jason McKemie]

I defined link costs on the mikrotik bridge ports. I can't remember exactly
what the setup on the Ceragon is like. Will it pass data without a root
bridge being defined? The link appeared to be working otherwise.

On Monday, October 3, 2016, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> Edit: or defined link costs?
>
> On Oct 3, 2016 5:52 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  > wrote:
>
>> Have you defined a root bridge?
>>
>> On Oct 3, 2016 3:12 PM, "Jason McKemie" > >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Is there any special config necessary to get this working? The interface
>>> shows that it is sending but not receiving. The backup link, which is
>>> Ubiquiti, shows both sending and receiving rstp info, and thus is taking
>>> the active role.
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C RSTP

[Josh Reynolds]

Edit: or defined link costs?

On Oct 3, 2016 5:52 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:

> Have you defined a root bridge?
>
> On Oct 3, 2016 3:12 PM, "Jason McKemie" 
> wrote:
>
>> Is there any special config necessary to get this working? The interface
>> shows that it is sending but not receiving. The backup link, which is
>> Ubiquiti, shows both sending and receiving rstp info, and thus is taking
>> the active role.
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C RSTP

[Josh Reynolds]

Have you defined a root bridge?

On Oct 3, 2016 3:12 PM, "Jason McKemie" 
wrote:

> Is there any special config necessary to get this working? The interface
> shows that it is sending but not receiving. The backup link, which is
> Ubiquiti, shows both sending and receiving rstp info, and thus is taking
> the active role.

[AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C RSTP

[Jason McKemie]

Is there any special config necessary to get this working? The interface
shows that it is sending but not receiving. The backup link, which is
Ubiquiti, shows both sending and receiving rstp info, and thus is taking
the active role.

Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C

[Steve Utick]

I stand corrected.


On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 6:29 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> Waveguide septum filter.
>
> *From:* Steve Utick <sut...@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 24, 2016 5:27 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C
>
> It's pretty impossible to show in the interface, as the physical radio
> itself is exactly the same.  What makes it TX high or TX low is the
> position of the diplexer in the radio.  You can flip them to make the High
> radio a Low and vice versa.
>
> I've attached a picture of the diplexer out of a Ceragon 6GHz radio.  You
> can see the L and H markings on it.  Simply flipping the diplexer end for
> end changes the radio from TX high to TX low.
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 4:58 PM, Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Ok, so looking at my parts list it does appear that one is H and one is L.
>>
>>
>>
>> Unfortunately, the geniuses at Ceragon don’t seem to have figured out how
>> to show that in the interface anywhere.
>>
>>
>>
>> So I guess I’ll have to climb one of the towers to figure out which it is.
>>
>>
>>
>> So for example, if I’m using channel 11200 and 10800 then the H radio
>> needs to be assigned the 11200 channel?
>>
>> And the 10800 the L radio?
>>
>>
>>
>> Do I have that right?
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Utick
>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 24, 2016 4:51 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C
>>
>>
>>
>> If I remember right, the radios I have do have frequencies listed on the
>> sticker as well, so that should tell you if they are capable of the range
>> you have.
>>
>> The radios will happily let you program frequencies into them that are
>> outside of the diplexers that are in the radio, they just won't work very
>> well, if at all.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 4:27 PM, Caleb Knauer <cknauer.li...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I think there's two sub-bands they use, what they call channels 1-6
>> and 7-12.  IIRC, the label that lists the PN shows the frequency
>> range, but that may have been one of their other models.  Been a
>> little bit since I laid hands on one.
>> --
>> IgniteNet
>> ca...@ignitenet.com
>> www.ignitenet.com
>> We're hiring!  Ping me.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 6:18 PM, Steve Utick <sut...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > On the serial # sticker on the radio, one will have a L in the middle
>> of the
>> > part number, and other will have a H in the middle.
>> >
>> > As for the sub bands, etc. you'd have to check part #'s on the radio to
>> see
>> > what sub bands they are for and what frequencies that encompasses, and
>> if
>> > it's within the new frequencies you are operating in or not.
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 2:26 PM, Sterling Jacobson <
>> sterl...@avative.net>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Ok, so that’s a physical thing?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> I had assumed that the radios/antennas could do the full 11GHz
>> spectrum.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Does anyone know how to tell if this IP20C have to be physically or
>> >> programmatically configured for high/low?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> I don’t see that in the docs.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ty Featherling
>> >> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 2:09 PM
>> >> To: af@afmug.com
>> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> There should be a low side and a high side. One transmits at the higher
>> >> frequency and the other lower. I found out if you have the low one set
>> to
>> >> transmit high it won't work. I can't remember on the ip20 but some
>> ODUs can
>> >> be rotated to switch from high to low. That may be what you did when
>> you
>> >> rotated that one side.
>> >>
>> >> -Ty
>> >>
>> >> -Ty
>> >>
>> >> On Mar 24, 2016 2:22 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" <sterl...@avative.net>
>> wrote:
>> >>
>&g

Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C

[Steve Utick]

You need to swap the radios end for end.  While you could probably open up
the radios and flip the diplexers, you would need to open up both radios,
which would void the warranty, so you might as well just swap radios
around.  There are actually two diplexers in each IP20C, so you would need
to flip both in each radio.  Way more trouble than it's worth, and then the
labels on the radios would not match what they actually were, etc.


On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 5:34 PM, Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net>
wrote:

> I actually found a picture of the radio, and I do have Low on the side
> running the 11000’s channel.
>
>
>
> So that means I have to swap radios, right?
>
>
>
> Can’t very well change the FCC Coordination/license.
>
>
>
> I’m not sure I can flip the diplexer in the IP-20C though, it’s an XPIC
> dual polarity?
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Utick
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 24, 2016 5:27 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C
>
>
>
> It's pretty impossible to show in the interface, as the physical radio
> itself is exactly the same.  What makes it TX high or TX low is the
> position of the diplexer in the radio.  You can flip them to make the High
> radio a Low and vice versa.
>
> I've attached a picture of the diplexer out of a Ceragon 6GHz radio.  You
> can see the L and H markings on it.  Simply flipping the diplexer end for
> end changes the radio from TX high to TX low.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 4:58 PM, Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net>
> wrote:
>
> Ok, so looking at my parts list it does appear that one is H and one is L.
>
>
>
> Unfortunately, the geniuses at Ceragon don’t seem to have figured out how
> to show that in the interface anywhere.
>
>
>
> So I guess I’ll have to climb one of the towers to figure out which it is.
>
>
>
> So for example, if I’m using channel 11200 and 10800 then the H radio
> needs to be assigned the 11200 channel?
>
> And the 10800 the L radio?
>
>
>
> Do I have that right?
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Utick
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 24, 2016 4:51 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C
>
>
>
> If I remember right, the radios I have do have frequencies listed on the
> sticker as well, so that should tell you if they are capable of the range
> you have.
>
> The radios will happily let you program frequencies into them that are
> outside of the diplexers that are in the radio, they just won't work very
> well, if at all.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 4:27 PM, Caleb Knauer <cknauer.li...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> I think there's two sub-bands they use, what they call channels 1-6
> and 7-12.  IIRC, the label that lists the PN shows the frequency
> range, but that may have been one of their other models.  Been a
> little bit since I laid hands on one.
> --
> IgniteNet
> ca...@ignitenet.com
> www.ignitenet.com
> We're hiring!  Ping me.
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 6:18 PM, Steve Utick <sut...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On the serial # sticker on the radio, one will have a L in the middle of
> the
> > part number, and other will have a H in the middle.
> >
> > As for the sub bands, etc. you'd have to check part #'s on the radio to
> see
> > what sub bands they are for and what frequencies that encompasses, and if
> > it's within the new frequencies you are operating in or not.
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 2:26 PM, Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net
> >
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Ok, so that’s a physical thing?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I had assumed that the radios/antennas could do the full 11GHz spectrum.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Does anyone know how to tell if this IP20C have to be physically or
> >> programmatically configured for high/low?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I don’t see that in the docs.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ty Featherling
> >> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 2:09 PM
> >> To: af@afmug.com
> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> There should be a low side and a high side. One transmits at the higher
> >> frequency and the other lower. I found out if you have the low one set
> to
> >> transmit high it won't work. I can't remember on the ip20 but some ODUs
> can
> >> be 

Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C

[Chuck McCown]

Waveguide septum filter.

From: Steve Utick 
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 5:27 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C

It's pretty impossible to show in the interface, as the physical radio itself 
is exactly the same.  What makes it TX high or TX low is the position of the 
diplexer in the radio.  You can flip them to make the High radio a Low and vice 
versa.


I've attached a picture of the diplexer out of a Ceragon 6GHz radio.  You can 
see the L and H markings on it.  Simply flipping the diplexer end for end 
changes the radio from TX high to TX low.



On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 4:58 PM, Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net> wrote:

  Ok, so looking at my parts list it does appear that one is H and one is L.



  Unfortunately, the geniuses at Ceragon don’t seem to have figured out how to 
show that in the interface anywhere.



  So I guess I’ll have to climb one of the towers to figure out which it is.



  So for example, if I’m using channel 11200 and 10800 then the H radio needs 
to be assigned the 11200 channel?

  And the 10800 the L radio?



  Do I have that right?



  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Utick
  Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 4:51 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C



  If I remember right, the radios I have do have frequencies listed on the 
sticker as well, so that should tell you if they are capable of the range you 
have.

  The radios will happily let you program frequencies into them that are 
outside of the diplexers that are in the radio, they just won't work very well, 
if at all.



  On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 4:27 PM, Caleb Knauer <cknauer.li...@gmail.com> wrote:

I think there's two sub-bands they use, what they call channels 1-6
and 7-12.  IIRC, the label that lists the PN shows the frequency
range, but that may have been one of their other models.  Been a
little bit since I laid hands on one.
--
IgniteNet
ca...@ignitenet.com
www.ignitenet.com
We're hiring!  Ping me.


On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 6:18 PM, Steve Utick <sut...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On the serial # sticker on the radio, one will have a L in the middle of 
the
> part number, and other will have a H in the middle.
>
> As for the sub bands, etc. you'd have to check part #'s on the radio to 
see
> what sub bands they are for and what frequencies that encompasses, and if
> it's within the new frequencies you are operating in or not.
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 2:26 PM, Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net>
> wrote:
>>
>> Ok, so that’s a physical thing?
>>
>>
>>
>> I had assumed that the radios/antennas could do the full 11GHz spectrum.
>>
>>
>>
>> Does anyone know how to tell if this IP20C have to be physically or
>> programmatically configured for high/low?
>>
>>
>>
>> I don’t see that in the docs.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ty Featherling
>> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 2:09 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C
>>
>>
>>
>> There should be a low side and a high side. One transmits at the higher
>> frequency and the other lower. I found out if you have the low one set to
>> transmit high it won't work. I can't remember on the ip20 but some ODUs 
can
>> be rotated to switch from high to low. That may be what you did when you
>> rotated that one side.
>>
>> -Ty
>>
>> -Ty
>>
>> On Mar 24, 2016 2:22 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" <sterl...@avative.net> 
wrote:
>>
>> I’m not sure there is a parameter for that in this radio.
>>
>>
>>
>> I don’t see anything saying High or Low.
>>
>>
>>
>> I just see a tx/rx for each pair of radios in each side.
>>
>>
>>
>> Per Ceragon instructions those are the same tx/rx settings for both
>> radios, just reversed on the other side.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ty Featherling
>> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 1:18 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C
>>
>>
>>
>> You changed channels, it it still the right unit? High vs low?
>>
>>
>>
>> -Ty
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C

[Sterling Jacobson]

I actually found a picture of the radio, and I do have Low on the side running 
the 11000’s channel.

So that means I have to swap radios, right?

Can’t very well change the FCC Coordination/license.

I’m not sure I can flip the diplexer in the IP-20C though, it’s an XPIC dual 
polarity?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Utick
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 5:27 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C

It's pretty impossible to show in the interface, as the physical radio itself 
is exactly the same.  What makes it TX high or TX low is the position of the 
diplexer in the radio.  You can flip them to make the High radio a Low and vice 
versa.
I've attached a picture of the diplexer out of a Ceragon 6GHz radio.  You can 
see the L and H markings on it.  Simply flipping the diplexer end for end 
changes the radio from TX high to TX low.

On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 4:58 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
<sterl...@avative.net<mailto:sterl...@avative.net>> wrote:
Ok, so looking at my parts list it does appear that one is H and one is L.

Unfortunately, the geniuses at Ceragon don’t seem to have figured out how to 
show that in the interface anywhere.

So I guess I’ll have to climb one of the towers to figure out which it is.

So for example, if I’m using channel 11200 and 10800 then the H radio needs to 
be assigned the 11200 channel?
And the 10800 the L radio?

Do I have that right?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Steve Utick
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 4:51 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C

If I remember right, the radios I have do have frequencies listed on the 
sticker as well, so that should tell you if they are capable of the range you 
have.
The radios will happily let you program frequencies into them that are outside 
of the diplexers that are in the radio, they just won't work very well, if at 
all.

On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 4:27 PM, Caleb Knauer 
<cknauer.li...@gmail.com<mailto:cknauer.li...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I think there's two sub-bands they use, what they call channels 1-6
and 7-12.  IIRC, the label that lists the PN shows the frequency
range, but that may have been one of their other models.  Been a
little bit since I laid hands on one.
--
IgniteNet
ca...@ignitenet.com<mailto:ca...@ignitenet.com>
www.ignitenet.com<http://www.ignitenet.com>
We're hiring!  Ping me.


On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 6:18 PM, Steve Utick 
<sut...@gmail.com<mailto:sut...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> On the serial # sticker on the radio, one will have a L in the middle of the
> part number, and other will have a H in the middle.
>
> As for the sub bands, etc. you'd have to check part #'s on the radio to see
> what sub bands they are for and what frequencies that encompasses, and if
> it's within the new frequencies you are operating in or not.
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 2:26 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
> <sterl...@avative.net<mailto:sterl...@avative.net>>
> wrote:
>>
>> Ok, so that’s a physical thing?
>>
>>
>>
>> I had assumed that the radios/antennas could do the full 11GHz spectrum.
>>
>>
>>
>> Does anyone know how to tell if this IP20C have to be physically or
>> programmatically configured for high/low?
>>
>>
>>
>> I don’t see that in the docs.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On 
>> Behalf Of Ty Featherling
>> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 2:09 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C
>>
>>
>>
>> There should be a low side and a high side. One transmits at the higher
>> frequency and the other lower. I found out if you have the low one set to
>> transmit high it won't work. I can't remember on the ip20 but some ODUs can
>> be rotated to switch from high to low. That may be what you did when you
>> rotated that one side.
>>
>> -Ty
>>
>> -Ty
>>
>> On Mar 24, 2016 2:22 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" 
>> <sterl...@avative.net<mailto:sterl...@avative.net>> wrote:
>>
>> I’m not sure there is a parameter for that in this radio.
>>
>>
>>
>> I don’t see anything saying High or Low.
>>
>>
>>
>> I just see a tx/rx for each pair of radios in each side.
>>
>>
>>
>> Per Ceragon instructions those are the same tx/rx settings for both
>> radios, just reversed on the other side.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On 
>> Behalf Of Ty Featherling
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C

[Eric Kuhnke]

yes, that generally is how FDD radios work

On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 3:58 PM, Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net>
wrote:

> Ok, so looking at my parts list it does appear that one is H and one is L.
>
>
>
> Unfortunately, the geniuses at Ceragon don’t seem to have figured out how
> to show that in the interface anywhere.
>
>
>
> So I guess I’ll have to climb one of the towers to figure out which it is.
>
>
>
> So for example, if I’m using channel 11200 and 10800 then the H radio
> needs to be assigned the 11200 channel?
>
> And the 10800 the L radio?
>
>
>
> Do I have that right?
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Utick
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 24, 2016 4:51 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C
>
>
>
> If I remember right, the radios I have do have frequencies listed on the
> sticker as well, so that should tell you if they are capable of the range
> you have.
>
> The radios will happily let you program frequencies into them that are
> outside of the diplexers that are in the radio, they just won't work very
> well, if at all.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 4:27 PM, Caleb Knauer <cknauer.li...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> I think there's two sub-bands they use, what they call channels 1-6
> and 7-12.  IIRC, the label that lists the PN shows the frequency
> range, but that may have been one of their other models.  Been a
> little bit since I laid hands on one.
> --
> IgniteNet
> ca...@ignitenet.com
> www.ignitenet.com
> We're hiring!  Ping me.
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 6:18 PM, Steve Utick <sut...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On the serial # sticker on the radio, one will have a L in the middle of
> the
> > part number, and other will have a H in the middle.
> >
> > As for the sub bands, etc. you'd have to check part #'s on the radio to
> see
> > what sub bands they are for and what frequencies that encompasses, and if
> > it's within the new frequencies you are operating in or not.
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 2:26 PM, Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net
> >
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Ok, so that’s a physical thing?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I had assumed that the radios/antennas could do the full 11GHz spectrum.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Does anyone know how to tell if this IP20C have to be physically or
> >> programmatically configured for high/low?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I don’t see that in the docs.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ty Featherling
> >> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 2:09 PM
> >> To: af@afmug.com
> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> There should be a low side and a high side. One transmits at the higher
> >> frequency and the other lower. I found out if you have the low one set
> to
> >> transmit high it won't work. I can't remember on the ip20 but some ODUs
> can
> >> be rotated to switch from high to low. That may be what you did when you
> >> rotated that one side.
> >>
> >> -Ty
> >>
> >> -Ty
> >>
> >> On Mar 24, 2016 2:22 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" <sterl...@avative.net>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> I’m not sure there is a parameter for that in this radio.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I don’t see anything saying High or Low.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I just see a tx/rx for each pair of radios in each side.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Per Ceragon instructions those are the same tx/rx settings for both
> >> radios, just reversed on the other side.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ty Featherling
> >> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 1:18 PM
> >> To: af@afmug.com
> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> You changed channels, it it still the right unit? High vs low?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -Ty
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -Ty
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 1:42 PM, Sterling Jacobson <
> sterl...@avative.net>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> I'm checking, but yet, they 

Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C

[Josh Luthman]

Antenna can't matter - it has to both tx and rx those frequencies.  Unless
of course you have two dishes that have some super fine bandwidth (would
that even be possible?)


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 7:02 PM, Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net>
wrote:

> What about on the antenna itself?
>
>
>
> If I have a VHLP3-11W-CR4A Commscope/Andrew antenna is that a ‘Low’
> antenna, or does the antenna even matter?
>
>
>
> I’m guessing the antenna doesn’t matter and it’s full band.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Sterling Jacobson
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 24, 2016 4:58 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C
>
>
>
> Ok, so looking at my parts list it does appear that one is H and one is L.
>
>
>
> Unfortunately, the geniuses at Ceragon don’t seem to have figured out how
> to show that in the interface anywhere.
>
>
>
> So I guess I’ll have to climb one of the towers to figure out which it is.
>
>
>
> So for example, if I’m using channel 11200 and 10800 then the H radio
> needs to be assigned the 11200 channel?
>
> And the 10800 the L radio?
>
>
>
> Do I have that right?
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Utick
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 24, 2016 4:51 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C
>
>
>
> If I remember right, the radios I have do have frequencies listed on the
> sticker as well, so that should tell you if they are capable of the range
> you have.
>
> The radios will happily let you program frequencies into them that are
> outside of the diplexers that are in the radio, they just won't work very
> well, if at all.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 4:27 PM, Caleb Knauer <cknauer.li...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> I think there's two sub-bands they use, what they call channels 1-6
> and 7-12.  IIRC, the label that lists the PN shows the frequency
> range, but that may have been one of their other models.  Been a
> little bit since I laid hands on one.
> --
> IgniteNet
> ca...@ignitenet.com
> www.ignitenet.com
> We're hiring!  Ping me.
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 6:18 PM, Steve Utick <sut...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On the serial # sticker on the radio, one will have a L in the middle of
> the
> > part number, and other will have a H in the middle.
> >
> > As for the sub bands, etc. you'd have to check part #'s on the radio to
> see
> > what sub bands they are for and what frequencies that encompasses, and if
> > it's within the new frequencies you are operating in or not.
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 2:26 PM, Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net
> >
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Ok, so that’s a physical thing?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I had assumed that the radios/antennas could do the full 11GHz spectrum.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Does anyone know how to tell if this IP20C have to be physically or
> >> programmatically configured for high/low?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I don’t see that in the docs.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ty Featherling
> >> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 2:09 PM
> >> To: af@afmug.com
> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> There should be a low side and a high side. One transmits at the higher
> >> frequency and the other lower. I found out if you have the low one set
> to
> >> transmit high it won't work. I can't remember on the ip20 but some ODUs
> can
> >> be rotated to switch from high to low. That may be what you did when you
> >> rotated that one side.
> >>
> >> -Ty
> >>
> >> -Ty
> >>
> >> On Mar 24, 2016 2:22 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" <sterl...@avative.net>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> I’m not sure there is a parameter for that in this radio.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I don’t see anything saying High or Low.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I just see a tx/rx for each pair of radios in each side.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Per Ceragon instructions those are the same tx/rx settings for both
> >> radios, just reversed on the other side.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: Af

Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C

[Sterling Jacobson]

What about on the antenna itself?

If I have a VHLP3-11W-CR4A Commscope/Andrew antenna is that a ‘Low’ antenna, or 
does the antenna even matter?

I’m guessing the antenna doesn’t matter and it’s full band.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 4:58 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C

Ok, so looking at my parts list it does appear that one is H and one is L.

Unfortunately, the geniuses at Ceragon don’t seem to have figured out how to 
show that in the interface anywhere.

So I guess I’ll have to climb one of the towers to figure out which it is.

So for example, if I’m using channel 11200 and 10800 then the H radio needs to 
be assigned the 11200 channel?
And the 10800 the L radio?

Do I have that right?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Utick
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 4:51 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C

If I remember right, the radios I have do have frequencies listed on the 
sticker as well, so that should tell you if they are capable of the range you 
have.
The radios will happily let you program frequencies into them that are outside 
of the diplexers that are in the radio, they just won't work very well, if at 
all.

On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 4:27 PM, Caleb Knauer 
<cknauer.li...@gmail.com<mailto:cknauer.li...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I think there's two sub-bands they use, what they call channels 1-6
and 7-12.  IIRC, the label that lists the PN shows the frequency
range, but that may have been one of their other models.  Been a
little bit since I laid hands on one.
--
IgniteNet
ca...@ignitenet.com<mailto:ca...@ignitenet.com>
www.ignitenet.com<http://www.ignitenet.com>
We're hiring!  Ping me.


On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 6:18 PM, Steve Utick 
<sut...@gmail.com<mailto:sut...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> On the serial # sticker on the radio, one will have a L in the middle of the
> part number, and other will have a H in the middle.
>
> As for the sub bands, etc. you'd have to check part #'s on the radio to see
> what sub bands they are for and what frequencies that encompasses, and if
> it's within the new frequencies you are operating in or not.
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 2:26 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
> <sterl...@avative.net<mailto:sterl...@avative.net>>
> wrote:
>>
>> Ok, so that’s a physical thing?
>>
>>
>>
>> I had assumed that the radios/antennas could do the full 11GHz spectrum.
>>
>>
>>
>> Does anyone know how to tell if this IP20C have to be physically or
>> programmatically configured for high/low?
>>
>>
>>
>> I don’t see that in the docs.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On 
>> Behalf Of Ty Featherling
>> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 2:09 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C
>>
>>
>>
>> There should be a low side and a high side. One transmits at the higher
>> frequency and the other lower. I found out if you have the low one set to
>> transmit high it won't work. I can't remember on the ip20 but some ODUs can
>> be rotated to switch from high to low. That may be what you did when you
>> rotated that one side.
>>
>> -Ty
>>
>> -Ty
>>
>> On Mar 24, 2016 2:22 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" 
>> <sterl...@avative.net<mailto:sterl...@avative.net>> wrote:
>>
>> I’m not sure there is a parameter for that in this radio.
>>
>>
>>
>> I don’t see anything saying High or Low.
>>
>>
>>
>> I just see a tx/rx for each pair of radios in each side.
>>
>>
>>
>> Per Ceragon instructions those are the same tx/rx settings for both
>> radios, just reversed on the other side.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On 
>> Behalf Of Ty Featherling
>> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 1:18 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C
>>
>>
>>
>> You changed channels, it it still the right unit? High vs low?
>>
>>
>>
>> -Ty
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -Ty
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 1:42 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
>> <sterl...@avative.net<mailto:sterl...@avative.net>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I'm checking, but yet, they should be.
>>
>> This link was up and working last year, then it was removed off the
>> mountain, then this year put back up wit

Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C

[Josh Luthman]

Usually, yes.  It should be TX high and TX low (H and L).

I think your PCN should have those details.  I also think that you can only
set the frequency to the proper side to the proper device, so if you set
the TX high frequency on the device that should be, you're set.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 6:58 PM, Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net>
wrote:

> Ok, so looking at my parts list it does appear that one is H and one is L.
>
>
>
> Unfortunately, the geniuses at Ceragon don’t seem to have figured out how
> to show that in the interface anywhere.
>
>
>
> So I guess I’ll have to climb one of the towers to figure out which it is.
>
>
>
> So for example, if I’m using channel 11200 and 10800 then the H radio
> needs to be assigned the 11200 channel?
>
> And the 10800 the L radio?
>
>
>
> Do I have that right?
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Utick
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 24, 2016 4:51 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C
>
>
>
> If I remember right, the radios I have do have frequencies listed on the
> sticker as well, so that should tell you if they are capable of the range
> you have.
>
> The radios will happily let you program frequencies into them that are
> outside of the diplexers that are in the radio, they just won't work very
> well, if at all.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 4:27 PM, Caleb Knauer <cknauer.li...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> I think there's two sub-bands they use, what they call channels 1-6
> and 7-12.  IIRC, the label that lists the PN shows the frequency
> range, but that may have been one of their other models.  Been a
> little bit since I laid hands on one.
> --
> IgniteNet
> ca...@ignitenet.com
> www.ignitenet.com
> We're hiring!  Ping me.
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 6:18 PM, Steve Utick <sut...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On the serial # sticker on the radio, one will have a L in the middle of
> the
> > part number, and other will have a H in the middle.
> >
> > As for the sub bands, etc. you'd have to check part #'s on the radio to
> see
> > what sub bands they are for and what frequencies that encompasses, and if
> > it's within the new frequencies you are operating in or not.
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 2:26 PM, Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net
> >
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Ok, so that’s a physical thing?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I had assumed that the radios/antennas could do the full 11GHz spectrum.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Does anyone know how to tell if this IP20C have to be physically or
> >> programmatically configured for high/low?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I don’t see that in the docs.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ty Featherling
> >> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 2:09 PM
> >> To: af@afmug.com
> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> There should be a low side and a high side. One transmits at the higher
> >> frequency and the other lower. I found out if you have the low one set
> to
> >> transmit high it won't work. I can't remember on the ip20 but some ODUs
> can
> >> be rotated to switch from high to low. That may be what you did when you
> >> rotated that one side.
> >>
> >> -Ty
> >>
> >> -Ty
> >>
> >> On Mar 24, 2016 2:22 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" <sterl...@avative.net>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> I’m not sure there is a parameter for that in this radio.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I don’t see anything saying High or Low.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I just see a tx/rx for each pair of radios in each side.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Per Ceragon instructions those are the same tx/rx settings for both
> >> radios, just reversed on the other side.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ty Featherling
> >> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 1:18 PM
> >> To: af@afmug.com
> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> You changed channels, it it still the right unit? High vs low?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -Ty

Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C

[Steve Utick]

If I remember right, the radios I have do have frequencies listed on the
sticker as well, so that should tell you if they are capable of the range
you have.

The radios will happily let you program frequencies into them that are
outside of the diplexers that are in the radio, they just won't work very
well, if at all.


On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 4:27 PM, Caleb Knauer <cknauer.li...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> I think there's two sub-bands they use, what they call channels 1-6
> and 7-12.  IIRC, the label that lists the PN shows the frequency
> range, but that may have been one of their other models.  Been a
> little bit since I laid hands on one.
> --
> IgniteNet
> ca...@ignitenet.com
> www.ignitenet.com
> We're hiring!  Ping me.
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 6:18 PM, Steve Utick <sut...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On the serial # sticker on the radio, one will have a L in the middle of
> the
> > part number, and other will have a H in the middle.
> >
> > As for the sub bands, etc. you'd have to check part #'s on the radio to
> see
> > what sub bands they are for and what frequencies that encompasses, and if
> > it's within the new frequencies you are operating in or not.
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 2:26 PM, Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net
> >
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Ok, so that’s a physical thing?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I had assumed that the radios/antennas could do the full 11GHz spectrum.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Does anyone know how to tell if this IP20C have to be physically or
> >> programmatically configured for high/low?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I don’t see that in the docs.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ty Featherling
> >> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 2:09 PM
> >> To: af@afmug.com
> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> There should be a low side and a high side. One transmits at the higher
> >> frequency and the other lower. I found out if you have the low one set
> to
> >> transmit high it won't work. I can't remember on the ip20 but some ODUs
> can
> >> be rotated to switch from high to low. That may be what you did when you
> >> rotated that one side.
> >>
> >> -Ty
> >>
> >> -Ty
> >>
> >> On Mar 24, 2016 2:22 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" <sterl...@avative.net>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> I’m not sure there is a parameter for that in this radio.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I don’t see anything saying High or Low.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I just see a tx/rx for each pair of radios in each side.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Per Ceragon instructions those are the same tx/rx settings for both
> >> radios, just reversed on the other side.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ty Featherling
> >> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 1:18 PM
> >> To: af@afmug.com
> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> You changed channels, it it still the right unit? High vs low?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -Ty
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -Ty
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 1:42 PM, Sterling Jacobson <
> sterl...@avative.net>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> I'm checking, but yet, they should be.
> >>
> >> This link was up and working last year, then it was removed off the
> >> mountain, then this year put back up with one end in a different
> location
> >> and under a different FCC license.
> >>
> >> So the things that were changed were the tx/rx frequencies (matching
> send
> >> for both radios on a side and matching receive, just switched on each
> end)
> >> and dBm now on both sides.
> >>
> >> Physically on one side we 'rotated' the antenna/mount 180 degrees to
> make
> >> it a right handed mount instead of left handed.
> >> That shouldn't matter, should it?
> >>
> >> I don't have management access available externally, or even able to
> >> connect to the internet at this point in time, or I would.
> >>
> >> I could send screen shots I 

Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C

[Caleb Knauer]

I think there's two sub-bands they use, what they call channels 1-6
and 7-12.  IIRC, the label that lists the PN shows the frequency
range, but that may have been one of their other models.  Been a
little bit since I laid hands on one.
--
IgniteNet
ca...@ignitenet.com
www.ignitenet.com
We're hiring!  Ping me.


On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 6:18 PM, Steve Utick <sut...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On the serial # sticker on the radio, one will have a L in the middle of the
> part number, and other will have a H in the middle.
>
> As for the sub bands, etc. you'd have to check part #'s on the radio to see
> what sub bands they are for and what frequencies that encompasses, and if
> it's within the new frequencies you are operating in or not.
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 2:26 PM, Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net>
> wrote:
>>
>> Ok, so that’s a physical thing?
>>
>>
>>
>> I had assumed that the radios/antennas could do the full 11GHz spectrum.
>>
>>
>>
>> Does anyone know how to tell if this IP20C have to be physically or
>> programmatically configured for high/low?
>>
>>
>>
>> I don’t see that in the docs.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ty Featherling
>> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 2:09 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C
>>
>>
>>
>> There should be a low side and a high side. One transmits at the higher
>> frequency and the other lower. I found out if you have the low one set to
>> transmit high it won't work. I can't remember on the ip20 but some ODUs can
>> be rotated to switch from high to low. That may be what you did when you
>> rotated that one side.
>>
>> -Ty
>>
>> -Ty
>>
>> On Mar 24, 2016 2:22 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" <sterl...@avative.net> wrote:
>>
>> I’m not sure there is a parameter for that in this radio.
>>
>>
>>
>> I don’t see anything saying High or Low.
>>
>>
>>
>> I just see a tx/rx for each pair of radios in each side.
>>
>>
>>
>> Per Ceragon instructions those are the same tx/rx settings for both
>> radios, just reversed on the other side.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ty Featherling
>> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 1:18 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C
>>
>>
>>
>> You changed channels, it it still the right unit? High vs low?
>>
>>
>>
>> -Ty
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -Ty
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 1:42 PM, Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I'm checking, but yet, they should be.
>>
>> This link was up and working last year, then it was removed off the
>> mountain, then this year put back up with one end in a different location
>> and under a different FCC license.
>>
>> So the things that were changed were the tx/rx frequencies (matching send
>> for both radios on a side and matching receive, just switched on each end)
>> and dBm now on both sides.
>>
>> Physically on one side we 'rotated' the antenna/mount 180 degrees to make
>> it a right handed mount instead of left handed.
>> That shouldn't matter, should it?
>>
>> I don't have management access available externally, or even able to
>> connect to the internet at this point in time, or I would.
>>
>> I could send screen shots I guess.
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband
>> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 12:36 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C
>>
>> Are they on the same firmware?
>> That caused us a problem where they would not link.
>>
>> Can you give me remote access?  I could take a quick look and compare to
>> one of my links.
>>
>> Adam
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
>> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 11:33 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C
>>
>> Hey guys, I am completely stumped at this point.
>>
>> I've tried three times to get this link working, to even show a brief blip
>> of anything showing up on the other side power wise.
>>
>> I have both radios ON and transmitting at full 24dBm.
>>
>> I don't see ANYTHING change on the 

Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C

[Steve Utick]

On the serial # sticker on the radio, one will have a L in the middle of
the part number, and other will have a H in the middle.

As for the sub bands, etc. you'd have to check part #'s on the radio to see
what sub bands they are for and what frequencies that encompasses, and if
it's within the new frequencies you are operating in or not.


On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 2:26 PM, Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net>
wrote:

> Ok, so that’s a physical thing?
>
>
>
> I had assumed that the radios/antennas could do the full 11GHz spectrum.
>
>
>
> Does anyone know how to tell if this IP20C have to be physically or
> programmatically configured for high/low?
>
>
>
> I don’t see that in the docs.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ty Featherling
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 24, 2016 2:09 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C
>
>
>
> There should be a low side and a high side. One transmits at the higher
> frequency and the other lower. I found out if you have the low one set to
> transmit high it won't work. I can't remember on the ip20 but some ODUs can
> be rotated to switch from high to low. That may be what you did when you
> rotated that one side.
>
> -Ty
>
> -Ty
>
> On Mar 24, 2016 2:22 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" <sterl...@avative.net> wrote:
>
> I’m not sure there is a parameter for that in this radio.
>
>
>
> I don’t see anything saying High or Low.
>
>
>
> I just see a tx/rx for each pair of radios in each side.
>
>
>
> Per Ceragon instructions those are the same tx/rx settings for both
> radios, just reversed on the other side.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ty Featherling
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 24, 2016 1:18 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C
>
>
>
> You changed channels, it it still the right unit? High vs low?
>
>
>
> -Ty
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -Ty
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 1:42 PM, Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net>
> wrote:
>
> I'm checking, but yet, they should be.
>
> This link was up and working last year, then it was removed off the
> mountain, then this year put back up with one end in a different location
> and under a different FCC license.
>
> So the things that were changed were the tx/rx frequencies (matching send
> for both radios on a side and matching receive, just switched on each end)
> and dBm now on both sides.
>
> Physically on one side we 'rotated' the antenna/mount 180 degrees to make
> it a right handed mount instead of left handed.
> That shouldn't matter, should it?
>
> I don't have management access available externally, or even able to
> connect to the internet at this point in time, or I would.
>
> I could send screen shots I guess.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband
> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 12:36 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C
>
> Are they on the same firmware?
> That caused us a problem where they would not link.
>
> Can you give me remote access?  I could take a quick look and compare to
> one of my links.
>
> Adam
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 11:33 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C
>
> Hey guys, I am completely stumped at this point.
>
> I've tried three times to get this link working, to even show a brief blip
> of anything showing up on the other side power wise.
>
> I have both radios ON and transmitting at full 24dBm.
>
> I don't see ANYTHING change on the other side of the link.
>
> This is with 3' dishes and about 8 miles out.
>
> All settings on both sides are the same except tx/rx frequencies swapped
> of course.
>
> What am I missing?
>
> Is there some magic on/off switch or feature/function that I am
> overlooking on these radios?
>
> GAAAH!
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
> Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2016 2:13 PM
> To: 'af@afmug.com' <af@afmug.com>
> Subject: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C
>
> Anyone around today that has configured and aimed these before?
>
> I'm in the web page under Radio Parameters and I'm confused about the TX
> Mute.
>
> Should that be ON to allow the radios to talk? Or OFF?
>
> And I'm unsure on XPIC, I think I have it so it should work, but I only
> have a pair of frequencies, but two actual radios per side of this link.
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

I've got a massive IP20C manual that I'd be happy to send you Sterling.  Hit me 
off list if you want it.

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

> On Mar 24, 2016, at 4:26 PM, Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net> wrote:
> 
> Ok, so that’s a physical thing?
>  
> I had assumed that the radios/antennas could do the full 11GHz spectrum.
>  
> Does anyone know how to tell if this IP20C have to be physically or 
> programmatically configured for high/low?
>  
> I don’t see that in the docs.
>  
>  
>  
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ty Featherling
> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 2:09 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C
>  
> There should be a low side and a high side. One transmits at the higher 
> frequency and the other lower. I found out if you have the low one set to 
> transmit high it won't work. I can't remember on the ip20 but some ODUs can 
> be rotated to switch from high to low. That may be what you did when you 
> rotated that one side.
> 
> -Ty
> 
> -Ty
> 
> On Mar 24, 2016 2:22 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" <sterl...@avative.net> wrote:
> I’m not sure there is a parameter for that in this radio.
>  
> I don’t see anything saying High or Low.
>  
> I just see a tx/rx for each pair of radios in each side.
>  
> Per Ceragon instructions those are the same tx/rx settings for both radios, 
> just reversed on the other side.
>  
>  
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ty Featherling
> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 1:18 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C
>  
> You changed channels, it it still the right unit? High vs low?
>  
> -Ty
> 
>  
>  
> -Ty
>  
> On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 1:42 PM, Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net> 
> wrote:
> I'm checking, but yet, they should be.
> 
> This link was up and working last year, then it was removed off the mountain, 
> then this year put back up with one end in a different location and under a 
> different FCC license.
> 
> So the things that were changed were the tx/rx frequencies (matching send for 
> both radios on a side and matching receive, just switched on each end) and 
> dBm now on both sides.
> 
> Physically on one side we 'rotated' the antenna/mount 180 degrees to make it 
> a right handed mount instead of left handed.
> That shouldn't matter, should it?
> 
> I don't have management access available externally, or even able to connect 
> to the internet at this point in time, or I would.
> 
> I could send screen shots I guess.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband
> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 12:36 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C
> 
> Are they on the same firmware?
> That caused us a problem where they would not link.
> 
> Can you give me remote access?  I could take a quick look and compare to one 
> of my links.
> 
> Adam
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 11:33 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C
> 
> Hey guys, I am completely stumped at this point.
> 
> I've tried three times to get this link working, to even show a brief blip of 
> anything showing up on the other side power wise.
> 
> I have both radios ON and transmitting at full 24dBm.
> 
> I don't see ANYTHING change on the other side of the link.
> 
> This is with 3' dishes and about 8 miles out.
> 
> All settings on both sides are the same except tx/rx frequencies swapped of 
> course.
> 
> What am I missing?
> 
> Is there some magic on/off switch or feature/function that I am overlooking 
> on these radios?
> 
> GAAAH!
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
> Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2016 2:13 PM
> To: 'af@afmug.com' <af@afmug.com>
> Subject: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C
> 
> Anyone around today that has configured and aimed these before?
> 
> I'm in the web page under Radio Parameters and I'm confused about the TX Mute.
> 
> Should that be ON to allow the radios to talk? Or OFF?
> 
> And I'm unsure on XPIC, I think I have it so it should work, but I only have 
> a pair of frequencies, but two actual radios per side of this link.
> 
>  

Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C

[Sterling Jacobson]

Ok, so that’s a physical thing?

I had assumed that the radios/antennas could do the full 11GHz spectrum.

Does anyone know how to tell if this IP20C have to be physically or 
programmatically configured for high/low?

I don’t see that in the docs.



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ty Featherling
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 2:09 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C


There should be a low side and a high side. One transmits at the higher 
frequency and the other lower. I found out if you have the low one set to 
transmit high it won't work. I can't remember on the ip20 but some ODUs can be 
rotated to switch from high to low. That may be what you did when you rotated 
that one side.

-Ty

-Ty
On Mar 24, 2016 2:22 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" 
<sterl...@avative.net<mailto:sterl...@avative.net>> wrote:
I’m not sure there is a parameter for that in this radio.

I don’t see anything saying High or Low.

I just see a tx/rx for each pair of radios in each side.

Per Ceragon instructions those are the same tx/rx settings for both radios, 
just reversed on the other side.


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Ty Featherling
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 1:18 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C

You changed channels, it it still the right unit? High vs low?

-Ty



-Ty

On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 1:42 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
<sterl...@avative.net<mailto:sterl...@avative.net>> wrote:
I'm checking, but yet, they should be.

This link was up and working last year, then it was removed off the mountain, 
then this year put back up with one end in a different location and under a 
different FCC license.

So the things that were changed were the tx/rx frequencies (matching send for 
both radios on a side and matching receive, just switched on each end) and dBm 
now on both sides.

Physically on one side we 'rotated' the antenna/mount 180 degrees to make it a 
right handed mount instead of left handed.
That shouldn't matter, should it?

I don't have management access available externally, or even able to connect to 
the internet at this point in time, or I would.

I could send screen shots I guess.

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of SmarterBroadband
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 12:36 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C

Are they on the same firmware?
That caused us a problem where they would not link.

Can you give me remote access?  I could take a quick look and compare to one of 
my links.

Adam

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 11:33 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C

Hey guys, I am completely stumped at this point.

I've tried three times to get this link working, to even show a brief blip of 
anything showing up on the other side power wise.

I have both radios ON and transmitting at full 24dBm.

I don't see ANYTHING change on the other side of the link.

This is with 3' dishes and about 8 miles out.

All settings on both sides are the same except tx/rx frequencies swapped of 
course.

What am I missing?

Is there some magic on/off switch or feature/function that I am overlooking on 
these radios?

GAAAH!

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2016 2:13 PM
To: 'af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>' <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C

Anyone around today that has configured and aimed these before?

I'm in the web page under Radio Parameters and I'm confused about the TX Mute.

Should that be ON to allow the radios to talk? Or OFF?

And I'm unsure on XPIC, I think I have it so it should work, but I only have a 
pair of frequencies, but two actual radios per side of this link.

Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C

[Ty Featherling]

There should be a low side and a high side. One transmits at the higher
frequency and the other lower. I found out if you have the low one set to
transmit high it won't work. I can't remember on the ip20 but some ODUs can
be rotated to switch from high to low. That may be what you did when you
rotated that one side.

-Ty

-Ty
On Mar 24, 2016 2:22 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" <sterl...@avative.net> wrote:

> I’m not sure there is a parameter for that in this radio.
>
>
>
> I don’t see anything saying High or Low.
>
>
>
> I just see a tx/rx for each pair of radios in each side.
>
>
>
> Per Ceragon instructions those are the same tx/rx settings for both
> radios, just reversed on the other side.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ty Featherling
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 24, 2016 1:18 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C
>
>
>
> You changed channels, it it still the right unit? High vs low?
>
>
>
> -Ty
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -Ty
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 1:42 PM, Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net>
> wrote:
>
> I'm checking, but yet, they should be.
>
> This link was up and working last year, then it was removed off the
> mountain, then this year put back up with one end in a different location
> and under a different FCC license.
>
> So the things that were changed were the tx/rx frequencies (matching send
> for both radios on a side and matching receive, just switched on each end)
> and dBm now on both sides.
>
> Physically on one side we 'rotated' the antenna/mount 180 degrees to make
> it a right handed mount instead of left handed.
> That shouldn't matter, should it?
>
> I don't have management access available externally, or even able to
> connect to the internet at this point in time, or I would.
>
> I could send screen shots I guess.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband
> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 12:36 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C
>
> Are they on the same firmware?
> That caused us a problem where they would not link.
>
> Can you give me remote access?  I could take a quick look and compare to
> one of my links.
>
> Adam
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 11:33 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C
>
> Hey guys, I am completely stumped at this point.
>
> I've tried three times to get this link working, to even show a brief blip
> of anything showing up on the other side power wise.
>
> I have both radios ON and transmitting at full 24dBm.
>
> I don't see ANYTHING change on the other side of the link.
>
> This is with 3' dishes and about 8 miles out.
>
> All settings on both sides are the same except tx/rx frequencies swapped
> of course.
>
> What am I missing?
>
> Is there some magic on/off switch or feature/function that I am
> overlooking on these radios?
>
> GAAAH!
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
> Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2016 2:13 PM
> To: 'af@afmug.com' <af@afmug.com>
> Subject: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C
>
> Anyone around today that has configured and aimed these before?
>
> I'm in the web page under Radio Parameters and I'm confused about the TX
> Mute.
>
> Should that be ON to allow the radios to talk? Or OFF?
>
> And I'm unsure on XPIC, I think I have it so it should work, but I only
> have a pair of frequencies, but two actual radios per side of this link.
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C

[Sterling Jacobson]

I’m not sure there is a parameter for that in this radio.

I don’t see anything saying High or Low.

I just see a tx/rx for each pair of radios in each side.

Per Ceragon instructions those are the same tx/rx settings for both radios, 
just reversed on the other side.


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ty Featherling
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 1:18 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C

You changed channels, it it still the right unit? High vs low?

-Ty



-Ty

On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 1:42 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
<sterl...@avative.net<mailto:sterl...@avative.net>> wrote:
I'm checking, but yet, they should be.

This link was up and working last year, then it was removed off the mountain, 
then this year put back up with one end in a different location and under a 
different FCC license.

So the things that were changed were the tx/rx frequencies (matching send for 
both radios on a side and matching receive, just switched on each end) and dBm 
now on both sides.

Physically on one side we 'rotated' the antenna/mount 180 degrees to make it a 
right handed mount instead of left handed.
That shouldn't matter, should it?

I don't have management access available externally, or even able to connect to 
the internet at this point in time, or I would.

I could send screen shots I guess.

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of SmarterBroadband
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 12:36 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C

Are they on the same firmware?
That caused us a problem where they would not link.

Can you give me remote access?  I could take a quick look and compare to one of 
my links.

Adam

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 11:33 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C

Hey guys, I am completely stumped at this point.

I've tried three times to get this link working, to even show a brief blip of 
anything showing up on the other side power wise.

I have both radios ON and transmitting at full 24dBm.

I don't see ANYTHING change on the other side of the link.

This is with 3' dishes and about 8 miles out.

All settings on both sides are the same except tx/rx frequencies swapped of 
course.

What am I missing?

Is there some magic on/off switch or feature/function that I am overlooking on 
these radios?

GAAAH!

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2016 2:13 PM
To: 'af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>' <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C

Anyone around today that has configured and aimed these before?

I'm in the web page under Radio Parameters and I'm confused about the TX Mute.

Should that be ON to allow the radios to talk? Or OFF?

And I'm unsure on XPIC, I think I have it so it should work, but I only have a 
pair of frequencies, but two actual radios per side of this link.

Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C

[Sterling Jacobson]

I'm checking, but yet, they should be.

This link was up and working last year, then it was removed off the mountain, 
then this year put back up with one end in a different location and under a 
different FCC license.

So the things that were changed were the tx/rx frequencies (matching send for 
both radios on a side and matching receive, just switched on each end) and dBm 
now on both sides.

Physically on one side we 'rotated' the antenna/mount 180 degrees to make it a 
right handed mount instead of left handed.
That shouldn't matter, should it?

I don't have management access available externally, or even able to connect to 
the internet at this point in time, or I would.

I could send screen shots I guess.

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 12:36 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C

Are they on the same firmware?
That caused us a problem where they would not link.

Can you give me remote access?  I could take a quick look and compare to one of 
my links.

Adam 

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 11:33 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C

Hey guys, I am completely stumped at this point.

I've tried three times to get this link working, to even show a brief blip of 
anything showing up on the other side power wise.

I have both radios ON and transmitting at full 24dBm.

I don't see ANYTHING change on the other side of the link.

This is with 3' dishes and about 8 miles out.

All settings on both sides are the same except tx/rx frequencies swapped of 
course.

What am I missing?

Is there some magic on/off switch or feature/function that I am overlooking on 
these radios?

GAAAH!

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2016 2:13 PM
To: 'af@afmug.com' <af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C

Anyone around today that has configured and aimed these before?

I'm in the web page under Radio Parameters and I'm confused about the TX Mute.

Should that be ON to allow the radios to talk? Or OFF?

And I'm unsure on XPIC, I think I have it so it should work, but I only have a 
pair of frequencies, but two actual radios per side of this link.

Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C

[SmarterBroadband]

Are they on the same firmware?
That caused us a problem where they would not link.

Can you give me remote access?  I could take a quick look and compare to one
of my links.

Adam 

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 11:33 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C

Hey guys, I am completely stumped at this point.

I've tried three times to get this link working, to even show a brief blip
of anything showing up on the other side power wise.

I have both radios ON and transmitting at full 24dBm.

I don't see ANYTHING change on the other side of the link.

This is with 3' dishes and about 8 miles out.

All settings on both sides are the same except tx/rx frequencies swapped of
course.

What am I missing?

Is there some magic on/off switch or feature/function that I am overlooking
on these radios?

GAAAH!

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2016 2:13 PM
To: 'af@afmug.com' <af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C

Anyone around today that has configured and aimed these before?

I'm in the web page under Radio Parameters and I'm confused about the TX
Mute.

Should that be ON to allow the radios to talk? Or OFF?

And I'm unsure on XPIC, I think I have it so it should work, but I only have
a pair of frequencies, but two actual radios per side of this link.

Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C

[Sterling Jacobson]

Hey guys, I am completely stumped at this point.

I've tried three times to get this link working, to even show a brief blip of 
anything showing up on the other side power wise.

I have both radios ON and transmitting at full 24dBm.

I don't see ANYTHING change on the other side of the link.

This is with 3' dishes and about 8 miles out.

All settings on both sides are the same except tx/rx frequencies swapped of 
course.

What am I missing?

Is there some magic on/off switch or feature/function that I am overlooking on 
these radios?

GAAAH!

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2016 2:13 PM
To: 'af@afmug.com' <af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C

Anyone around today that has configured and aimed these before?

I'm in the web page under Radio Parameters and I'm confused about the TX Mute.

Should that be ON to allow the radios to talk? Or OFF?

And I'm unsure on XPIC, I think I have it so it should work, but I only have a 
pair of frequencies, but two actual radios per side of this link.

Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C

[Sterling Jacobson]

License is not in violation, but it’s not where it should be since I SHOULD 
have a license for full 600+ Mbps per radio.

I’m confused on the license.

The FCC license has two transmit channels, one for each side which I just 
reverse for receive.

But this Ceragon has two radios each side and wants channel info for each radio.

Did I mess up the FCC license?
Should they have given me two transmit channels per side?

Or is there some other secret sauce I should be doing here?

I can’t get MSE to show anything but -99, ever, on full sweeps with 3’ dishes.
I am thinking I’ve still got something fundamental mis-configured.



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Erich Kaiser
Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2016 4:23 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C

License issue? Check your license key to see if that option is enabled or if it 
is in "violation"


Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com<mailto:er...@northcentraltower.com>
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291


On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 3:36 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
<sterl...@avative.net<mailto:sterl...@avative.net>> wrote:
Does anyone have a configuration and aiming guide for the IP20C?

I think I’m screwing this up massively.

One (the top slot/radio) won’t go into TX Mute ON on both sides.

This is really frustrating, why can’t manufacturers agree on how to explain 
crap.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Erich Kaiser
Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2016 2:30 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C

TX Mute should be OFF if you want the radio to transmit.


Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com<mailto:er...@northcentraltower.com>
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291


On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 3:12 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
<sterl...@avative.net<mailto:sterl...@avative.net>> wrote:
Anyone around today that has configured and aimed these before?

I'm in the web page under Radio Parameters and I'm confused about the TX Mute.

Should that be ON to allow the radios to talk? Or OFF?

And I'm unsure on XPIC, I think I have it so it should work, but I only have a 
pair of frequencies, but two actual radios per side of this link.

Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C

[Erich Kaiser]

License issue? Check your license key to see if that option is enabled or
if it is in "violation"


Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291


On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 3:36 PM, Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net>
wrote:

> Does anyone have a configuration and aiming guide for the IP20C?
>
>
>
> I think I’m screwing this up massively.
>
>
>
> One (the top slot/radio) won’t go into TX Mute ON on both sides.
>
>
>
> This is really frustrating, why can’t manufacturers agree on how to
> explain crap.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Erich Kaiser
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 24, 2016 2:30 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C
>
>
>
> TX Mute should be OFF if you want the radio to transmit.
>
>
>
>
> Erich Kaiser
>
> North Central Tower
>
> er...@northcentraltower.com
>
> Office: 630-621-4804
>
> Cell: 630-777-9291
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 3:12 PM, Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net>
> wrote:
>
> Anyone around today that has configured and aimed these before?
>
> I'm in the web page under Radio Parameters and I'm confused about the TX
> Mute.
>
> Should that be ON to allow the radios to talk? Or OFF?
>
> And I'm unsure on XPIC, I think I have it so it should work, but I only
> have a pair of frequencies, but two actual radios per side of this link.
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C

[Sean Heskett]

it's the same thing as the cambium PTP820 so you can download all those
docs.

you want tx mute off.  if tx mute is on then the transmitter is muted aka
turned off.

-sean

On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 2:36 PM, Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net>
wrote:

> Does anyone have a configuration and aiming guide for the IP20C?
>
>
>
> I think I’m screwing this up massively.
>
>
>
> One (the top slot/radio) won’t go into TX Mute ON on both sides.
>
>
>
> This is really frustrating, why can’t manufacturers agree on how to
> explain crap.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Erich Kaiser
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 24, 2016 2:30 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C
>
>
>
> TX Mute should be OFF if you want the radio to transmit.
>
>
>
>
> Erich Kaiser
>
> North Central Tower
>
> er...@northcentraltower.com
>
> Office: 630-621-4804
>
> Cell: 630-777-9291
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 3:12 PM, Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net>
> wrote:
>
> Anyone around today that has configured and aimed these before?
>
> I'm in the web page under Radio Parameters and I'm confused about the TX
> Mute.
>
> Should that be ON to allow the radios to talk? Or OFF?
>
> And I'm unsure on XPIC, I think I have it so it should work, but I only
> have a pair of frequencies, but two actual radios per side of this link.
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C

[Sterling Jacobson]

Does anyone have a configuration and aiming guide for the IP20C?

I think I’m screwing this up massively.

One (the top slot/radio) won’t go into TX Mute ON on both sides.

This is really frustrating, why can’t manufacturers agree on how to explain 
crap.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Erich Kaiser
Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2016 2:30 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C

TX Mute should be OFF if you want the radio to transmit.


Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com<mailto:er...@northcentraltower.com>
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291


On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 3:12 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
<sterl...@avative.net<mailto:sterl...@avative.net>> wrote:
Anyone around today that has configured and aimed these before?

I'm in the web page under Radio Parameters and I'm confused about the TX Mute.

Should that be ON to allow the radios to talk? Or OFF?

And I'm unsure on XPIC, I think I have it so it should work, but I only have a 
pair of frequencies, but two actual radios per side of this link.

Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C

[Erich Kaiser]

TX Mute should be OFF if you want the radio to transmit.


Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291


On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 3:12 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
wrote:

> Anyone around today that has configured and aimed these before?
>
> I'm in the web page under Radio Parameters and I'm confused about the TX
> Mute.
>
> Should that be ON to allow the radios to talk? Or OFF?
>
> And I'm unsure on XPIC, I think I have it so it should work, but I only
> have a pair of frequencies, but two actual radios per side of this link.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C

[Eric Kuhnke]

I think TX mute set to On disables the transmitter. It has been a while.
On Feb 24, 2016 1:13 PM, "Sterling Jacobson"  wrote:

> Anyone around today that has configured and aimed these before?
>
> I'm in the web page under Radio Parameters and I'm confused about the TX
> Mute.
>
> Should that be ON to allow the radios to talk? Or OFF?
>
> And I'm unsure on XPIC, I think I have it so it should work, but I only
> have a pair of frequencies, but two actual radios per side of this link.
>

[AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C

[Sterling Jacobson]

Anyone around today that has configured and aimed these before?

I'm in the web page under Radio Parameters and I'm confused about the TX Mute.

Should that be ON to allow the radios to talk? Or OFF?

And I'm unsure on XPIC, I think I have it so it should work, but I only have a 
pair of frequencies, but two actual radios per side of this link.

[AFMUG] Ceragon IP20c w/ Netonix

[Faisal Imtiaz]

Hello,

Anyone has tried to knows if they can power a Ceragon IP20c radio with a 
Netonix Switch ? (48v 1.5amp port) ?

Thanks in advance.

Regards

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20c w/ Netonix

[George Skorup]

Aren't those -48 with chassis bonded to return?

On 2/1/2016 6:02 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:

Hello,

Anyone has tried to knows if they can power a Ceragon IP20c radio with a 
Netonix Switch ? (48v 1.5amp port) ?

Thanks in advance.

Regards

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20c w/ Netonix

[Faisal Imtiaz]

I currently don't have any docs on them, so I cannot say.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

- Original Message -
> From: "George Skorup" <geo...@cbcast.com>
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Monday, February 1, 2016 9:04:38 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20c w/ Netonix

> Aren't those -48 with chassis bonded to return?
> 
> On 2/1/2016 6:02 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> Anyone has tried to knows if they can power a Ceragon IP20c radio with a 
>> Netonix
>> Switch ? (48v 1.5amp port) ?
>>
>> Thanks in advance.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>>
> > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

[AFMUG] Ceragon help

[Ty Featherling]

I'm installing my first Ceragon links, IP20 series to be exact. I have them
up and linked and I am stuck on this idea of Services and Service Points.
Services in this software seem analogous to software bridges. For example
there is a Management service that you are supposed to add service points
to for each interface you want to be able to manage the radios from. I was
able to add Eth1 to that service and then I was able to manage the radios
from the Eth1 on the POE.

Now that they are aligned I tried to traverse the link and was unable to. I
take it that I need another Service with service points on the radio
interfaces as well as the Eth1 on each end to make one big bridge but that
doesn't seem to be working.

Does anyone know how this is to be done?


-Ty

Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon help

[Jon Langeler]

For dual pol? If you can't get it, I can check later on.

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.

> On Jan 21, 2016, at 11:57 AM, Ty Featherling  wrote:
> 
> Ok do I need to connect both radio 1 and radio 2 on each unit?
> 
> -Ty
> 
> 
> 
> -Ty
> 
>> On Thu, Jan 21, 2016 at 10:25 AM, Jon Langeler  
>> wrote:
>> Correct. Attach the radio interface to eth1. The newer software has a wizard 
>> I believe. Otherwise call your seller
>> 
>> Jon Langeler
>> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>> 
>> > On Jan 21, 2016, at 11:16 AM, Ty Featherling  
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > I'm installing my first Ceragon links, IP20 series to be exact. I have 
>> > them up and linked and I am stuck on this idea of Services and Service 
>> > Points. Services in this software seem analogous to software bridges. For 
>> > example there is a Management service that you are supposed to add service 
>> > points to for each interface you want to be able to manage the radios 
>> > from. I was able to add Eth1 to that service and then I was able to manage 
>> > the radios from the Eth1 on the POE.
>> >
>> > Now that they are aligned I tried to traverse the link and was unable to. 
>> > I take it that I need another Service with service points on the radio 
>> > interfaces as well as the Eth1 on each end to make one big bridge but that 
>> > doesn't seem to be working.
>> >
>> > Does anyone know how this is to be done?
>> >
>> >
>> > -Ty
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon help

[Jon Langeler]

Correct. Attach the radio interface to eth1. The newer software has a wizard I 
believe. Otherwise call your seller

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.

> On Jan 21, 2016, at 11:16 AM, Ty Featherling  wrote:
> 
> I'm installing my first Ceragon links, IP20 series to be exact. I have them 
> up and linked and I am stuck on this idea of Services and Service Points. 
> Services in this software seem analogous to software bridges. For example 
> there is a Management service that you are supposed to add service points to 
> for each interface you want to be able to manage the radios from. I was able 
> to add Eth1 to that service and then I was able to manage the radios from the 
> Eth1 on the POE. 
> 
> Now that they are aligned I tried to traverse the link and was unable to. I 
> take it that I need another Service with service points on the radio 
> interfaces as well as the Eth1 on each end to make one big bridge but that 
> doesn't seem to be working.
> 
> Does anyone know how this is to be done?
> 
> 
> -Ty

Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon help

[Ty Featherling]

Ok do I need to connect both radio 1 and radio 2 on each unit?

-Ty



-Ty

On Thu, Jan 21, 2016 at 10:25 AM, Jon Langeler 
wrote:

> Correct. Attach the radio interface to eth1. The newer software has a
> wizard I believe. Otherwise call your seller
>
> Jon Langeler
> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>
> > On Jan 21, 2016, at 11:16 AM, Ty Featherling 
> wrote:
> >
> > I'm installing my first Ceragon links, IP20 series to be exact. I have
> them up and linked and I am stuck on this idea of Services and Service
> Points. Services in this software seem analogous to software bridges. For
> example there is a Management service that you are supposed to add service
> points to for each interface you want to be able to manage the radios from.
> I was able to add Eth1 to that service and then I was able to manage the
> radios from the Eth1 on the POE.
> >
> > Now that they are aligned I tried to traverse the link and was unable
> to. I take it that I need another Service with service points on the radio
> interfaces as well as the Eth1 on each end to make one big bridge but that
> doesn't seem to be working.
> >
> > Does anyone know how this is to be done?
> >
> >
> > -Ty
>

Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon help

[Ty Featherling]

Yes. My guess is for full throughput I will have to use both.

-Ty



-Ty

On Thu, Jan 21, 2016 at 11:14 AM, Jon Langeler 
wrote:

> For dual pol? If you can't get it, I can check later on.
>
> Jon Langeler
> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>
> On Jan 21, 2016, at 11:57 AM, Ty Featherling 
> wrote:
>
> Ok do I need to connect both radio 1 and radio 2 on each unit?
>
> -Ty
>
>
>
> -Ty
>
> On Thu, Jan 21, 2016 at 10:25 AM, Jon Langeler 
> wrote:
>
>> Correct. Attach the radio interface to eth1. The newer software has a
>> wizard I believe. Otherwise call your seller
>>
>> Jon Langeler
>> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>>
>> > On Jan 21, 2016, at 11:16 AM, Ty Featherling 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > I'm installing my first Ceragon links, IP20 series to be exact. I have
>> them up and linked and I am stuck on this idea of Services and Service
>> Points. Services in this software seem analogous to software bridges. For
>> example there is a Management service that you are supposed to add service
>> points to for each interface you want to be able to manage the radios from.
>> I was able to add Eth1 to that service and then I was able to manage the
>> radios from the Eth1 on the POE.
>> >
>> > Now that they are aligned I tried to traverse the link and was unable
>> to. I take it that I need another Service with service points on the radio
>> interfaces as well as the Eth1 on each end to make one big bridge but that
>> doesn't seem to be working.
>> >
>> > Does anyone know how this is to be done?
>> >
>> >
>> > -Ty
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20 1Gbps License Question

[SmarterBroadband]

Look for 80 MHz V & H.  Generally if you can get 80 you can get both.

 

Adam

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 8:19 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20 1Gbps License Question

 

This whole conversation is moot until you ask your coordinator what's available.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

 

  _  

From: "Sterling Jacobson" <sterl...@avative.net>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 9:06:35 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20 1Gbps License Question

I'm pretty sure I don't have 160MHz available.

Maybe 120MHz if I'm lucky.

Maybe I just install and license for 500Mbps operation at 30MHz x 2 channels 
(60MHz?) and work on obtaining the licensing rights to 'upgrade' it to full 
1Gbps/ 40MHz x2 x2 channels 2+0 DP?


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 6:52 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20 1Gbps License Question

2 x 80

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 5:44 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20 1Gbps License Question

Yes, 11Ghz.

So that would be 80MHz total on the license? 

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Hardy, Tim
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 6:19 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20 1Gbps License Question

I seem to recall it was 11 GHz, right?  If so, and you have the wideband 
license you should try for 80 MHz bandwidth and depending on your capacity 
needs, you can go XPIC or other options.

From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Jon Langeler 
[jon-ispli...@michwave.net]
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 7:40 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20 1Gbps License Question

Yes, ask for dual pol 60MHz. Or you can buy the 'splitter adapter' instead of 
the OMT and use two 60MHz channels on same polarity. This is for 6GHz right?

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.

> On Nov 30, 2015, at 7:12 PM, Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net>
wrote:
>
> Question about this Ceragon IP20 I have.
>
> If I want the full 1Gbps out of it, according to these charts, I 
> should
use two 30MHz channels per polarity, right?
> That would be for the 2+0 DP (2 x 500Mbps) Ceragon configuration.
>
> And when I go to license it, I ask the coordinator to allocate a 60MHz
dual polarity channel license?
>
> Or how exactly does this work?
>
> Thanks for your help peoples!
>
> [cid:image003.png@01CEF1AE.8F52B9D0]
> [cid:image004.png@01CEF1AE.8F52B9D0]

 

Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20 1Gbps License Question

[Hardy, Tim]

80 MHz will get you 700 Mbps each way with one carrier, double that with 2 or 
XPIC which the dual core C model would allow.  I think you mentioned frequency 
congestion and that certainly would make XPIC or a 2nd pair that much more 
difficult to get.

From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Sterling Jacobson 
[sterl...@avative.net]
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 8:44 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20 1Gbps License Question

Yes, 11Ghz.

So that would be 80MHz total on the license?

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Hardy, Tim
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 6:19 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20 1Gbps License Question

I seem to recall it was 11 GHz, right?  If so, and you have the wideband 
license you should try for 80 MHz bandwidth and depending on your capacity 
needs, you can go XPIC or other options.

From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Jon Langeler 
[jon-ispli...@michwave.net]
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 7:40 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20 1Gbps License Question

Yes, ask for dual pol 60MHz. Or you can buy the 'splitter adapter' instead of 
the OMT and use two 60MHz channels on same polarity. This is for 6GHz right?

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.

> On Nov 30, 2015, at 7:12 PM, Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net> wrote:
>
> Question about this Ceragon IP20 I have.
>
> If I want the full 1Gbps out of it, according to these charts, I should use 
> two 30MHz channels per polarity, right?
> That would be for the 2+0 DP (2 x 500Mbps) Ceragon configuration.
>
> And when I go to license it, I ask the coordinator to allocate a 60MHz dual 
> polarity channel license?
>
> Or how exactly does this work?
>
> Thanks for your help peoples!
>
> [cid:image003.png@01CEF1AE.8F52B9D0]
> [cid:image004.png@01CEF1AE.8F52B9D0]

Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20 1Gbps License Question

[Daniel White]

Depends if you have the wideband version of the radio or not.  If your radio
can do the 80MHz wide channels, you want them.

You can get Gigabit a few different ways using the IP-20C... just depends on
the configuration of gear you have.  Best to ask the people that sold you
the gear... or you can send me the BOM offlist and I'll help get you
straight Sterling.

Crossover stocks a lot of the IP-20C product for our Tier 1 customers.

Thank you,

Daniel White
afmu...@gmail.com
Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590
Skype: danieldwhite

> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
> Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 6:44 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20 1Gbps License Question
> 
> Yes, 11Ghz.
> 
> So that would be 80MHz total on the license?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Hardy, Tim
> Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 6:19 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20 1Gbps License Question
> 
> I seem to recall it was 11 GHz, right?  If so, and you have the wideband
> license you should try for 80 MHz bandwidth and depending on your capacity
> needs, you can go XPIC or other options.
> 
> From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Jon Langeler [jon-
> ispli...@michwave.net]
> Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 7:40 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20 1Gbps License Question
> 
> Yes, ask for dual pol 60MHz. Or you can buy the 'splitter adapter' instead
of
> the OMT and use two 60MHz channels on same polarity. This is for 6GHz
> right?
> 
> Jon Langeler
> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
> 
> > On Nov 30, 2015, at 7:12 PM, Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net>
> wrote:
> >
> > Question about this Ceragon IP20 I have.
> >
> > If I want the full 1Gbps out of it, according to these charts, I should
use two
> 30MHz channels per polarity, right?
> > That would be for the 2+0 DP (2 x 500Mbps) Ceragon configuration.
> >
> > And when I go to license it, I ask the coordinator to allocate a 60MHz
dual
> polarity channel license?
> >
> > Or how exactly does this work?
> >
> > Thanks for your help peoples!
> >
> > [cid:image003.png@01CEF1AE.8F52B9D0]
> > [cid:image004.png@01CEF1AE.8F52B9D0]


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Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20 1Gbps License Question

[Sterling Jacobson]

I'm pretty sure I don't have 160MHz available.

Maybe 120MHz if I'm lucky.

Maybe I just install and license for 500Mbps operation at 30MHz x 2 channels 
(60MHz?) and work on obtaining the licensing rights to 'upgrade' it to full 
1Gbps/ 40MHz x2 x2 channels 2+0 DP?


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 6:52 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20 1Gbps License Question

2 x 80

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 5:44 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20 1Gbps License Question

Yes, 11Ghz.

So that would be 80MHz total on the license? 

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Hardy, Tim
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 6:19 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20 1Gbps License Question

I seem to recall it was 11 GHz, right?  If so, and you have the wideband 
license you should try for 80 MHz bandwidth and depending on your capacity 
needs, you can go XPIC or other options.

From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Jon Langeler 
[jon-ispli...@michwave.net]
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 7:40 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20 1Gbps License Question

Yes, ask for dual pol 60MHz. Or you can buy the 'splitter adapter' instead of 
the OMT and use two 60MHz channels on same polarity. This is for 6GHz right?

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.

> On Nov 30, 2015, at 7:12 PM, Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net>
wrote:
>
> Question about this Ceragon IP20 I have.
>
> If I want the full 1Gbps out of it, according to these charts, I 
> should
use two 30MHz channels per polarity, right?
> That would be for the 2+0 DP (2 x 500Mbps) Ceragon configuration.
>
> And when I go to license it, I ask the coordinator to allocate a 60MHz
dual polarity channel license?
>
> Or how exactly does this work?
>
> Thanks for your help peoples!
>
> [cid:image003.png@01CEF1AE.8F52B9D0]
> [cid:image004.png@01CEF1AE.8F52B9D0]

Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20 1Gbps License Question

[Hardy, Tim]

I seem to recall it was 11 GHz, right?  If so, and you have the wideband 
license you should try for 80 MHz bandwidth and depending on your capacity 
needs, you can go XPIC or other options.

From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Jon Langeler 
[jon-ispli...@michwave.net]
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 7:40 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20 1Gbps License Question

Yes, ask for dual pol 60MHz. Or you can buy the 'splitter adapter' instead of 
the OMT and use two 60MHz channels on same polarity. This is for 6GHz right?

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.

> On Nov 30, 2015, at 7:12 PM, Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net> wrote:
>
> Question about this Ceragon IP20 I have.
>
> If I want the full 1Gbps out of it, according to these charts, I should use 
> two 30MHz channels per polarity, right?
> That would be for the 2+0 DP (2 x 500Mbps) Ceragon configuration.
>
> And when I go to license it, I ask the coordinator to allocate a 60MHz dual 
> polarity channel license?
>
> Or how exactly does this work?
>
> Thanks for your help peoples!
>
> [cid:image003.png@01CEF1AE.8F52B9D0]
> [cid:image004.png@01CEF1AE.8F52B9D0]

Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20 1Gbps License Question

[Sterling Jacobson]

Yes, 11Ghz.

So that would be 80MHz total on the license? 

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Hardy, Tim
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 6:19 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20 1Gbps License Question

I seem to recall it was 11 GHz, right?  If so, and you have the wideband 
license you should try for 80 MHz bandwidth and depending on your capacity 
needs, you can go XPIC or other options.

From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Jon Langeler 
[jon-ispli...@michwave.net]
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 7:40 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20 1Gbps License Question

Yes, ask for dual pol 60MHz. Or you can buy the 'splitter adapter' instead of 
the OMT and use two 60MHz channels on same polarity. This is for 6GHz right?

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.

> On Nov 30, 2015, at 7:12 PM, Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net> wrote:
>
> Question about this Ceragon IP20 I have.
>
> If I want the full 1Gbps out of it, according to these charts, I should use 
> two 30MHz channels per polarity, right?
> That would be for the 2+0 DP (2 x 500Mbps) Ceragon configuration.
>
> And when I go to license it, I ask the coordinator to allocate a 60MHz dual 
> polarity channel license?
>
> Or how exactly does this work?
>
> Thanks for your help peoples!
>
> [cid:image003.png@01CEF1AE.8F52B9D0]
> [cid:image004.png@01CEF1AE.8F52B9D0]

Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20 1Gbps License Question

[SmarterBroadband]

2 x 80

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 5:44 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20 1Gbps License Question

Yes, 11Ghz.

So that would be 80MHz total on the license? 

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Hardy, Tim
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 6:19 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20 1Gbps License Question

I seem to recall it was 11 GHz, right?  If so, and you have the wideband
license you should try for 80 MHz bandwidth and depending on your capacity
needs, you can go XPIC or other options.

From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Jon Langeler
[jon-ispli...@michwave.net]
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 7:40 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20 1Gbps License Question

Yes, ask for dual pol 60MHz. Or you can buy the 'splitter adapter' instead
of the OMT and use two 60MHz channels on same polarity. This is for 6GHz
right?

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.

> On Nov 30, 2015, at 7:12 PM, Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net>
wrote:
>
> Question about this Ceragon IP20 I have.
>
> If I want the full 1Gbps out of it, according to these charts, I should
use two 30MHz channels per polarity, right?
> That would be for the 2+0 DP (2 x 500Mbps) Ceragon configuration.
>
> And when I go to license it, I ask the coordinator to allocate a 60MHz
dual polarity channel license?
>
> Or how exactly does this work?
>
> Thanks for your help peoples!
>
> [cid:image003.png@01CEF1AE.8F52B9D0]
> [cid:image004.png@01CEF1AE.8F52B9D0]

Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20 1Gbps License Question

[Sterling Jacobson]

This is a single antenna configuration, so I think by 2+0 DP they mean XPIC?

That would mean maybe 60MHz each polarity would get me 1Gbps?
Is that a license in 11GHz, 60MHz wide channels? Or does that mean two 30MHz 
channels each way, then the same on the opposite polarity?

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Hardy, Tim
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 7:03 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20 1Gbps License Question

80 MHz will get you 700 Mbps each way with one carrier, double that with 2 or 
XPIC which the dual core C model would allow.  I think you mentioned frequency 
congestion and that certainly would make XPIC or a 2nd pair that much more 
difficult to get.

From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Sterling Jacobson 
[sterl...@avative.net]
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 8:44 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20 1Gbps License Question

Yes, 11Ghz.

So that would be 80MHz total on the license?

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Hardy, Tim
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 6:19 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20 1Gbps License Question

I seem to recall it was 11 GHz, right?  If so, and you have the wideband 
license you should try for 80 MHz bandwidth and depending on your capacity 
needs, you can go XPIC or other options.

From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Jon Langeler 
[jon-ispli...@michwave.net]
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 7:40 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20 1Gbps License Question

Yes, ask for dual pol 60MHz. Or you can buy the 'splitter adapter' instead of 
the OMT and use two 60MHz channels on same polarity. This is for 6GHz right?

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.

> On Nov 30, 2015, at 7:12 PM, Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net> wrote:
>
> Question about this Ceragon IP20 I have.
>
> If I want the full 1Gbps out of it, according to these charts, I should use 
> two 30MHz channels per polarity, right?
> That would be for the 2+0 DP (2 x 500Mbps) Ceragon configuration.
>
> And when I go to license it, I ask the coordinator to allocate a 60MHz dual 
> polarity channel license?
>
> Or how exactly does this work?
>
> Thanks for your help peoples!
>
> [cid:image003.png@01CEF1AE.8F52B9D0]
> [cid:image004.png@01CEF1AE.8F52B9D0]

Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20 1Gbps License Question

[Jon Langeler]

Yes, ask for dual pol 60MHz. Or you can buy the 'splitter adapter' instead of 
the OMT and use two 60MHz channels on same polarity. This is for 6GHz right?

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.

> On Nov 30, 2015, at 7:12 PM, Sterling Jacobson  wrote:
> 
> Question about this Ceragon IP20 I have.
> 
> If I want the full 1Gbps out of it, according to these charts, I should use 
> two 30MHz channels per polarity, right?
> That would be for the 2+0 DP (2 x 500Mbps) Ceragon configuration.
> 
> And when I go to license it, I ask the coordinator to allocate a 60MHz dual 
> polarity channel license?
> 
> Or how exactly does this work?
> 
> Thanks for your help peoples!
> 
> [cid:image003.png@01CEF1AE.8F52B9D0]
> [cid:image004.png@01CEF1AE.8F52B9D0]

Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20 1Gbps License Question

[Mike Hammett]

Generally I tell my coordinator what I have and she tells me what's available. 
I don't need to tell her what channel sizes and configurations I require. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: "Sterling Jacobson" <sterl...@avative.net> 
To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com> 
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 6:12:40 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20 1Gbps License Question 

Question about this Ceragon IP20 I have. 

If I want the full 1Gbps out of it, according to these charts, I should use two 
30MHz channels per polarity, right? 
That would be for the 2+0 DP (2 x 500Mbps) Ceragon configuration. 

And when I go to license it, I ask the coordinator to allocate a 60MHz dual 
polarity channel license? 

Or how exactly does this work? 

Thanks for your help peoples! 

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[cid:image004.png@01CEF1AE.8F52B9D0] 

[AFMUG] Ceragon IP20 1Gbps License Question

[Sterling Jacobson]

Question about this Ceragon IP20 I have.

If I want the full 1Gbps out of it, according to these charts, I should use two 
30MHz channels per polarity, right?
That would be for the 2+0 DP (2 x 500Mbps) Ceragon configuration.

And when I go to license it, I ask the coordinator to allocate a 60MHz dual 
polarity channel license?

Or how exactly does this work?

Thanks for your help peoples!

[cid:image003.png@01CEF1AE.8F52B9D0]
[cid:image004.png@01CEF1AE.8F52B9D0]

Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20 1Gbps License Question

[Jon Langeler]

Yes two 60MHz channels gets you a 1Gig. 11GHz would typically be 40 or 80MHz in 
a single polarity. 6G is 30 or 60MHz. Also see if two horizontal channels are 
available. But then you also might need different 'ODU' too. 

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.

> On Nov 30, 2015, at 10:08 PM, Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net> wrote:
> 
> This is a single antenna configuration, so I think by 2+0 DP they mean XPIC?
> 
> That would mean maybe 60MHz each polarity would get me 1Gbps?
> Is that a license in 11GHz, 60MHz wide channels? Or does that mean two 30MHz 
> channels each way, then the same on the opposite polarity?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Hardy, Tim
> Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 7:03 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20 1Gbps License Question
> 
> 80 MHz will get you 700 Mbps each way with one carrier, double that with 2 or 
> XPIC which the dual core C model would allow.  I think you mentioned 
> frequency congestion and that certainly would make XPIC or a 2nd pair that 
> much more difficult to get.
> 
> From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Sterling Jacobson 
> [sterl...@avative.net]
> Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 8:44 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20 1Gbps License Question
> 
> Yes, 11Ghz.
> 
> So that would be 80MHz total on the license?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Hardy, Tim
> Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 6:19 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20 1Gbps License Question
> 
> I seem to recall it was 11 GHz, right?  If so, and you have the wideband 
> license you should try for 80 MHz bandwidth and depending on your capacity 
> needs, you can go XPIC or other options.
> 
> From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Jon Langeler 
> [jon-ispli...@michwave.net]
> Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 7:40 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20 1Gbps License Question
> 
> Yes, ask for dual pol 60MHz. Or you can buy the 'splitter adapter' instead of 
> the OMT and use two 60MHz channels on same polarity. This is for 6GHz right?
> 
> Jon Langeler
> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
> 
>> On Nov 30, 2015, at 7:12 PM, Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Question about this Ceragon IP20 I have.
>> 
>> If I want the full 1Gbps out of it, according to these charts, I should use 
>> two 30MHz channels per polarity, right?
>> That would be for the 2+0 DP (2 x 500Mbps) Ceragon configuration.
>> 
>> And when I go to license it, I ask the coordinator to allocate a 60MHz dual 
>> polarity channel license?
>> 
>> Or how exactly does this work?
>> 
>> Thanks for your help peoples!
>> 
>> [cid:image003.png@01CEF1AE.8F52B9D0]
>> [cid:image004.png@01CEF1AE.8F52B9D0]

Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20 1Gbps License Question

[Eric Kuhnke]

60 MHz will get 1 Gbps if it's in 1024QAM, you'll need 80 MHz for true 1
Gbps full duplex (fiber patch cable pseudowire) during rain events and if
the modulation changes.

If it only works at 1 Gbps in 1024QAM you won't have a whole lot of fade
margin, assuming you need -61 RSL or somewhere around there for 1024
modulation to work.

On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 8:01 PM, Jon Langeler <jon-ispli...@michwave.net>
wrote:

> Yes two 60MHz channels gets you a 1Gig. 11GHz would typically be 40 or
> 80MHz in a single polarity. 6G is 30 or 60MHz. Also see if two horizontal
> channels are available. But then you also might need different 'ODU' too.
>
> Jon Langeler
> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>
> > On Nov 30, 2015, at 10:08 PM, Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net>
> wrote:
> >
> > This is a single antenna configuration, so I think by 2+0 DP they mean
> XPIC?
> >
> > That would mean maybe 60MHz each polarity would get me 1Gbps?
> > Is that a license in 11GHz, 60MHz wide channels? Or does that mean two
> 30MHz channels each way, then the same on the opposite polarity?
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Hardy, Tim
> > Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 7:03 PM
> > To: af@afmug.com
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20 1Gbps License Question
> >
> > 80 MHz will get you 700 Mbps each way with one carrier, double that with
> 2 or XPIC which the dual core C model would allow.  I think you mentioned
> frequency congestion and that certainly would make XPIC or a 2nd pair that
> much more difficult to get.
> > 
> > From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Sterling Jacobson [
> sterl...@avative.net]
> > Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 8:44 PM
> > To: af@afmug.com
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20 1Gbps License Question
> >
> > Yes, 11Ghz.
> >
> > So that would be 80MHz total on the license?
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Hardy, Tim
> > Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 6:19 PM
> > To: af@afmug.com
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20 1Gbps License Question
> >
> > I seem to recall it was 11 GHz, right?  If so, and you have the wideband
> license you should try for 80 MHz bandwidth and depending on your capacity
> needs, you can go XPIC or other options.
> > 
> > From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Jon Langeler [
> jon-ispli...@michwave.net]
> > Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 7:40 PM
> > To: af@afmug.com
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20 1Gbps License Question
> >
> > Yes, ask for dual pol 60MHz. Or you can buy the 'splitter adapter'
> instead of the OMT and use two 60MHz channels on same polarity. This is for
> 6GHz right?
> >
> > Jon Langeler
> > Michwave Technologies, Inc.
> >
> >> On Nov 30, 2015, at 7:12 PM, Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Question about this Ceragon IP20 I have.
> >>
> >> If I want the full 1Gbps out of it, according to these charts, I should
> use two 30MHz channels per polarity, right?
> >> That would be for the 2+0 DP (2 x 500Mbps) Ceragon configuration.
> >>
> >> And when I go to license it, I ask the coordinator to allocate a 60MHz
> dual polarity channel license?
> >>
> >> Or how exactly does this work?
> >>
> >> Thanks for your help peoples!
> >>
> >> [cid:image003.png@01CEF1AE.8F52B9D0]
> >> [cid:image004.png@01CEF1AE.8F52B9D0]
>

Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20 1Gbps License Question

[Mike Hammett]

This whole conversation is moot until you ask your coordinator what's 
available. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: "Sterling Jacobson" <sterl...@avative.net> 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 9:06:35 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20 1Gbps License Question 

I'm pretty sure I don't have 160MHz available. 

Maybe 120MHz if I'm lucky. 

Maybe I just install and license for 500Mbps operation at 30MHz x 2 channels 
(60MHz?) and work on obtaining the licensing rights to 'upgrade' it to full 
1Gbps/ 40MHz x2 x2 channels 2+0 DP? 


-Original Message- 
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband 
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 6:52 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20 1Gbps License Question 

2 x 80 

-Original Message- 
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson 
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 5:44 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20 1Gbps License Question 

Yes, 11Ghz. 

So that would be 80MHz total on the license? 

-Original Message- 
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Hardy, Tim 
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 6:19 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20 1Gbps License Question 

I seem to recall it was 11 GHz, right? If so, and you have the wideband license 
you should try for 80 MHz bandwidth and depending on your capacity needs, you 
can go XPIC or other options. 
 
From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Jon Langeler 
[jon-ispli...@michwave.net] 
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 7:40 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20 1Gbps License Question 

Yes, ask for dual pol 60MHz. Or you can buy the 'splitter adapter' instead of 
the OMT and use two 60MHz channels on same polarity. This is for 6GHz right? 

Jon Langeler 
Michwave Technologies, Inc. 

> On Nov 30, 2015, at 7:12 PM, Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net> 
wrote: 
> 
> Question about this Ceragon IP20 I have. 
> 
> If I want the full 1Gbps out of it, according to these charts, I 
> should 
use two 30MHz channels per polarity, right? 
> That would be for the 2+0 DP (2 x 500Mbps) Ceragon configuration. 
> 
> And when I go to license it, I ask the coordinator to allocate a 60MHz 
dual polarity channel license? 
> 
> Or how exactly does this work? 
> 
> Thanks for your help peoples! 
> 
> [cid:image003.png@01CEF1AE.8F52B9D0] 
> [cid:image004.png@01CEF1AE.8F52B9D0]