Re: [AFMUG] i need an adult

2016-10-14 Thread Rick Harnish
First one Sunday night at 3 am Eastern. Another major update by the end of the month. Thanks to all who made additional feature requests. The Baicells Evolution continues.Respectively,Rick HarnishDirector of WISP MarketsDirect: 972.922.1443Baicells Technologies N.A. Inc.Sent from my Verizon

[AFMUG] antenna pattern for baicells UE

2016-10-14 Thread Adam Moffett
Does anybody happen to have the polar antenna pattern for the 19dbi Baicells CPE? If not, does anybody know what the horizontal beamwidth is?

Re: [AFMUG] antenna pattern for baicells UE

2016-10-14 Thread Josh Luthman
Rick posted the beam width on the Facebook group in the last couple weeks Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Oct 14, 2016 2:15 PM, "Adam Moffett" wrote: > Does anybody happen to have the polar antenna pattern

[AFMUG] Fiber maximum throughout

2016-10-14 Thread TJ Trout
What is the current max throughout that can be sent over a single or two strands of fiber? I'm assuming 100g x dwdm ? Atleast 100 x 10gbps?

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber maximum throughout

2016-10-14 Thread Chuck McCown
Well, depends on lab stuff or stuff you can buy. Nobody yet knows the theoretical max as you can jack up the power until things start melting and get more bandwidth. And you can use goofy modes too. I have heard estimates of 10 petabits per second as something achievable. This real world

Re: [AFMUG] antenna pattern for baicells UE

2016-10-14 Thread Josh Luthman
One of the most popular sites in the world so...bunch! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Oct 14, 2016 6:02 PM, "Sean Heskett" wrote: > what is this "book of face" to which you are referring?!?! > > seriously, who

Re: [AFMUG] hardest thing I've had to do with this biz...

2016-10-14 Thread George Skorup
If someone started a fire that they couldn't control and it burned down my house, they're gonna get shot. You either pay for your mistake, in full, or hope you end up in prison before I can get to you. I don't even want free shit, just fix what you broke. But that's just me. On 10/14/2016

[AFMUG] "buffering"

2016-10-14 Thread Ken Hohhof
When people say their video is "buffering", I assume they mean re-buffering, where the video stops and starts. I'm starting to wonder if some people are referring to the delay before the video starts playing. Is this a thing? And do people pay for faster Internet just to make the video

Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"

2016-10-14 Thread Eric Kuhnke
Have you ever seen a 1080p youtube video load on a 1GbE active-E FTTH ISP that has direct peering with Google from a router 2.5ms upstream? It's a beautiful thing. People will absolutely pay for connections that support multiple streams, take a typical family of 4 or 5 people with kids that want

[AFMUG] OT: Facebook (was: antenna pattern for baicells UE)

2016-10-14 Thread Jesse Dupont
We use FB a lot. We have more followers/likes than customers. We use it for outage notifications, new sites/area announcements, ask customers to review/rate us, etc, etc. We answer support and new service requests there, too. It's also by far the most bang for your buck as an advertising

Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"

2016-10-14 Thread Ken Hohhof
But that’s not what I’m talking about. I’m wondering if when a customer talks about “buffering”, he really means having to wait for the video to start playing. And maybe I’m confused because I assume everyone is using Netflix. And I’m pretty sure Netflix starts the stream at a low quality

Re: [AFMUG] hardest thing I've had to do with this biz...

2016-10-14 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm
To be honest, it could be helpful. After a disaster until there is something that sets in in a controlled manner it's pandemonium. Normalcy, even others, puts the future back on the horizon. The scope of a major loss can be overwhelming. And not to be the dickbag, but this is a potential pr

Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"

2016-10-14 Thread Ken Hohhof
Is that sarcasm or serious? From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 10:18 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] "buffering" Because you porn and xnxx say buffering when they pause to buffer On Oct 14, 2016 9:34 PM,

Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"

2016-10-14 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm
Yes On Oct 14, 2016 10:47 PM, "Ken Hohhof" wrote: > Is that sarcasm or serious? > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy > /sarcasm > *Sent:* Friday, October 14, 2016 10:18 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] "buffering" > > > >

Re: [AFMUG] hardest thing I've had to do with this biz...

2016-10-14 Thread Bruce Robertson
Hey Robert, I'm here in Reno, with WISP experience. I'm off work until Wednesday. Please let me know if I can help in any way! On 10/14/16 5:13 PM, Robert Andrews wrote: Today in Reno a prescribed burn that was supposed to be out two days ago blew up and took out 19 homes. A large number

Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"

2016-10-14 Thread Mathew Howard
Well, people certainly want connections that support multiple streams. Paying for it, I'm not so sure about... at least around these parts. On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 8:52 PM, Eric Kuhnke wrote: > Have you ever seen a 1080p youtube video load on a 1GbE active-E FTTH ISP >

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Facebook (was: antenna pattern for baicells UE)

2016-10-14 Thread Sean Heskett
I know, I'm just being a wise ass. We use FB for all the things you listed as well. I personally quit FB about 4-5 years ago...to much 1984 in my opinion. People freely give up a lot of privacy to a private company that uses that data to make billions and knows WAY too much about everyone and

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Facebook (was: antenna pattern for baicells UE)

2016-10-14 Thread Jesse Dupont
Yeah, I completely agree about people indiscriminately being too liberal with their personal information.  On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 8:07 PM -0600, "Sean Heskett" wrote: I know, I'm just being a wise ass. We use FB for all the things you listed as well.   I

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Facebook (was: antenna pattern for baicells UE)

2016-10-14 Thread Joe Novak
Agreed Sean. I had to go back to be a part of the Baicells group. Too much valuable information to miss out on. I was just a little sad. I could've went my whole life without signing up again. On Oct 14, 2016 9:07 PM, "Sean Heskett" wrote: > I know, I'm just being a wise ass.

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Facebook (was: antenna pattern for baicells UE)

2016-10-14 Thread Ken Hohhof
Me too, I couldn’t resist quoting Yogi. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 9:08 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Facebook (was: antenna pattern for baicells UE) I know, I'm just being a wise ass. We use FB for all

Re: [AFMUG] OT cheap and easy website

2016-10-14 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm
I did the godard freebie a few years ago, management interface sucked so bad I gave up. I don't know if it's still whatever it is, but if it is, just burn it with fire On Oct 14, 2016 7:10 PM, "Josh Luthman" wrote: Yep. I think if you transfer the domain you'll

Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"

2016-10-14 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm
Because you porn and xnxx say buffering when they pause to buffer On Oct 14, 2016 9:34 PM, "Ken Hohhof" wrote: > But that’s not what I’m talking about. I’m wondering if when a customer > talks about “buffering”, he really means having to wait for the video to > start playing.

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber maximum throughout

2016-10-14 Thread fiberrun
> Nobody yet knows the theoretical max as you can jack up the power > until things start melting and get more bandwidth.  Not quite. You can't just jack up the power, unless you also manage to improve your SNR. The maximum theoretical bandwidth of singlemode fiber is dependent on SNR and

Re: [AFMUG] OT: AAPL

2016-10-14 Thread Travis Johnson
You are asking the wrong people then. I personally know two LDS members that paid their tithing just last year (2015) using stock... one of them it was hundreds of thousands of dollars worth. I can get you the contact info if you are seriously interested. Travis On 10/14/2016 9:17 AM,

[AFMUG] DFS impact on indoor SOHO routers

2016-10-14 Thread Eric Muehleisen
On occasion we see DFS events on our outdoor WISP network. It's rare, but does happen. It's understandable since we use high gain sector antennas and AP's with great receive sensitivity. Not to mention these are outdoor radios with direct view of the sky. On the other hand, we are seeing 802.11ac

Re: [AFMUG] OT: AAPL

2016-10-14 Thread chuck
When asked the answer comes back as NO. They say sell, convert to dollars and give them the dollars. From: Travis Johnson Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 8:23 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: AAPL That's not correct Chuck... I know many wealthy LDS people that donate stock for

Re: [AFMUG] OT: AAPL

2016-10-14 Thread chuck
Sure, thanks. From: Travis Johnson Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 9:47 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: AAPL You are asking the wrong people then. I personally know two LDS members that paid their tithing just last year (2015) using stock... one of them it was hundreds of

Re: [AFMUG] OT: AAPL

2016-10-14 Thread Travis Johnson
That's not correct Chuck... I know many wealthy LDS people that donate stock for tithing. They will only accept the "larger" stocks, such as Apple, Google, Amazon, GM, Ford, etc... but they do take it, and lots of people use that option. Travis On 10/13/2016 6:21 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: My

[AFMUG] OT cheap and easy website

2016-10-14 Thread Chuck McCown
Need to put up another website. Considering using the Godaddy hosting service they recommend when you get a new domain. Now I gotta decide whether or not to use that site builder template service they also offer or to force myself to learn wordpress etc. Too lazy to just old fashioned HTML

Re: [AFMUG] OT cheap and easy website

2016-10-14 Thread Josh Luthman
Wix for sure. Car club took like 20 minutes - ohiogclub.com Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Oct 14, 2016 7:05 PM, "Chuck McCown" wrote: > Need to put up another website. Considering using the Godaddy hosting >

Re: [AFMUG] OT cheap and easy website

2016-10-14 Thread Josh Luthman
It's super super cheap, including domain and web hosting. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Oct 14, 2016 7:07 PM, "Chuck McCown" wrote: > Free? > > *From:* Josh Luthman > *Sent:* Friday, October 14, 2016 6:06 PM >

Re: [AFMUG] OT cheap and easy website

2016-10-14 Thread Chuck McCown
Free? From: Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 6:06 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT cheap and easy website Wix for sure. Car club took like 20 minutes - ohiogclub.com Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Oct

Re: [AFMUG] OT cheap and easy website

2016-10-14 Thread Chuck McCown
Oh, so they host too. I already have the domains. From: Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 6:08 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT cheap and easy website It's super super cheap, including domain and web hosting. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100

Re: [AFMUG] OT cheap and easy website

2016-10-14 Thread Josh Luthman
Yep. I think if you transfer the domain you'll save money FYI. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Oct 14, 2016 7:09 PM, "Chuck McCown" wrote: > Oh, so they host too. I already have the domains. > > *From:* Josh

[AFMUG] hardest thing I've had to do with this biz...

2016-10-14 Thread Robert Andrews
Today in Reno a prescribed burn that was supposed to be out two days ago blew up and took out 19 homes. A large number of them were customers including two repeater locations. How do I go to the people who lost their homes and ask to rebuild the repeaters on the ashes? Sometimes this job

Re: [AFMUG] hardest thing I've had to do with this biz...

2016-10-14 Thread Jaime Solorza
Oh man. Put in Gods hands .. On Oct 14, 2016 6:13 PM, "Robert Andrews" wrote: > Today in Reno a prescribed burn that was supposed to be out two days ago > blew up and took out 19 homes. A large number of them were customers > including two repeater locations. How do

Re: [AFMUG] hardest thing I've had to do with this biz...

2016-10-14 Thread Chuck McCown
All sensitivity aside, I would head to harbor freight. Buy two of their largest trailers. Go get some tower sections. Weld them to the trailers. Park near power and put up some radios. You can sandbag the trailers. Adding outriggers really helps a bunch. Or guy wires tied to barrels full of

[AFMUG] iptv - from the wispa show

2016-10-14 Thread CBB - Jay Fuller
which i did not make it to any comments on this from attendees or otherwise? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1iJUfZYZuEE thanks to mike hammett for ambushing the vendors as he usually does :) mike - did you get any info on CTI's offering? (did i hear that right?) why am i home on a

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber maximum throughout

2016-10-14 Thread Eric Kuhnke
Max throughput you could do right now with something you can buy, expensive DWDM systems that can do 200 or 400 Gbps 16QAM modulated "super channels". Each carrying two or four 100GbE circuits. Multiplied by about 40 channels. Or 80 channel x 100GbE QPSK or 16QAM modulated DWDM systems with

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber maximum throughout

2016-10-14 Thread Eric Kuhnke
Here's a good primer on super channels (larger-than-standard ITU DWDM grid spacing, high capacity DWDM stuff) https://www.infinera.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/SuperChannel_WhitePaper.pdf On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 4:47 PM, TJ Trout wrote: > What is the current max throughout

Re: [AFMUG] hardest thing I've had to do with this biz...

2016-10-14 Thread Robert Andrews
Actually putting up the transmitters will be dead nuts simple. Both locations were on hills. 10 foot pole in the ground with guys will do it. More about no 110ac and needing to do solar. Mostly about dealing with locations where people lost everything... :( On 10/14/2016 05:20 PM,

Re: [AFMUG] hardest thing I've had to do with this biz...

2016-10-14 Thread Josh Luthman
Then plant some free Wi-Fi at the base. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Oct 14, 2016 7:20 PM, "Chuck McCown" wrote: > All sensitivity aside, > I would head to harbor freight. > Buy two of their largest trailers.

Re: [AFMUG] hardest thing I've had to do with this biz...

2016-10-14 Thread Chuck McCown
We had a whole neighborhood burned to the ground earlier this summer. All mobile/manufactured homes. Some with zero insurance. At least your folks will have a claim against whoever was doing the burn. -Original Message- From: Robert Andrews Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 6:13 PM

Re: [AFMUG] hardest thing I've had to do with this biz...

2016-10-14 Thread Jason Wilson
Set a power Pole, Have temp power brought in (The county should be more than wiling to work with you on the permit) and use that for your AP's And yes free wifi to the neighborhood since they have no power. Jason Wilson Remotely Located Providing High Speed Internet to out of the way places.

Re: [AFMUG] hardest thing I've had to do with this biz...

2016-10-14 Thread Robert
Hopefully... Turns out the prescribed burn was a UNR/NDF project and some have talked about soverign immunity.. Hopefully not... I have one customer that lost everything and I'm pretty sure they have no insurance.. On 10/14/16 5:35 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: We had a whole neighborhood

Re: [AFMUG] antenna pattern for baicells UE

2016-10-14 Thread Sean Heskett
what is this "book of face" to which you are referring?!?! seriously, who still uses Facebook??? -Sean On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 3:28 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: > Rick posted the beam width on the Facebook group in the last couple weeks > > Josh Luthman > Office:

Re: [AFMUG] antenna pattern for baicells UE

2016-10-14 Thread Chuck McCown
I use it to troll my kids. From: Sean Heskett Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 5:02 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] antenna pattern for baicells UE what is this "book of face" to which you are referring?!?! seriously, who still uses Facebook??? -Sean On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 3:28

[AFMUG] PTP450 and PMP450 for 900mhz

2016-10-14 Thread Jon Langeler
Is it possible to GPS sync them perfectly or is this something to avoid? Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc.

Re: [AFMUG] communicating with customers without untraining them

2016-10-14 Thread Cassidy B. Larson
Can’t you watch for outbound netflow data for remote port 25’s from your customers you’re going to drop port 25 on? Then proactively call/email them saying it’s going away. Or if you want to keep up with the antiphishing then tell them to contact you back at the known good number/email they

Re: [AFMUG] communicating with customers without untraining them

2016-10-14 Thread Ken Hohhof
I’d post a notice on your website and social media pages, wait 1-2 weeks, and just do it. Most ISPs did this many years ago, hard to believe you still have it open and that any significant number of customers are doing mail that way. The only customers who should need that are business

Re: [AFMUG] communicating with customers without untraining them

2016-10-14 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm
I never considered snail mail, that is a viable option. The business customer we will call the IT staff directly on. The spf requirement will be a marginally enforced best practice, if were were suballocating our space to them i wouldnt care, just trying to get to a point where we dont

Re: [AFMUG] communicating with customers without untraining them

2016-10-14 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm
thats what i did its the communication with them thats in question if we initiate it in any way, we pretty much un train them no matter what On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 12:18 PM, Cassidy B. Larson wrote: > Can’t you watch for outbound netflow data for remote port 25’s from your

Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights

2016-10-14 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm
Poor Chuck M, forever the peanut in the turd. On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 12:03 PM, Chuck Macenski wrote: > We are the fine bottle of wine, right? > > On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 11:03 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > >> Why would you choose those radios to use with $6600

[AFMUG] communicating with customers without untraining them

2016-10-14 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm
I think this has been discussed in the past. As part of our overall security implementation we will be dropping outbound port 25 for non business customers and business customers dont have an email rserver on record with an appropriately configured SPF record. I know which customers havent

Re: [AFMUG] DFS impact on indoor SOHO routers

2016-10-14 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm
I would venture a guess consumer routers have a whole lot less strict enforcement than carrier gear. "sure we are DFS compliant, if the soho router detects a -40 for three weeks, we will trigger" Poor connections from low end chipsets on cheap laptops would trigger it all the time otherwise I

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Jimmy Buffett Tickets in Vegas

2016-10-14 Thread Jaime Solorza
Maybe someone at show would like those. Include some Margaritas and it might fly On Oct 14, 2016 10:19 AM, "Travis Johnson" wrote: > Hey... > > I purchased two tickets for the Jimmy Buffett concert in Vegas on October > 15th (this Saturday night), and now my plans have changed

Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights

2016-10-14 Thread Chuck Macenski
We are the fine bottle of wine, right? On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 11:03 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > Why would you choose those radios to use with $6600 worth of dishes. > That seems like opening an expensive bottle of wine to drink with a peanut > butter and jelly sandwich. > > > > >

Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights

2016-10-14 Thread chuck
Ripple... From: Chuck Macenski Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 11:03 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights We are the fine bottle of wine, right? On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 11:03 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Why would you choose those radios to use with

Re: [AFMUG] DFS impact on indoor SOHO routers

2016-10-14 Thread Sean Heskett
Most consumer devices are not certified to use the DFS band because of the extra hoops the manufactures have to go thru. ROKU is one that we ran into that can't use the dfs band. Lots of phones too. -Sean On Friday, October 14, 2016, Eric Muehleisen wrote: > On occasion

Re: [AFMUG] DFS impact on indoor SOHO routers

2016-10-14 Thread Ken Hohhof
Sure, it’s possible, DFS is a stupid scheme for anything that needs to be reliable. On the other hand, only the AP does radar detection, not the CPE, so a customer router near the CPE shouldn’t trigger a false DFS event. And if you have the antenna gain properly configured on the AP, the

[AFMUG] OT: Jimmy Buffett Tickets in Vegas

2016-10-14 Thread Travis Johnson
Hey... I purchased two tickets for the Jimmy Buffett concert in Vegas on October 15th (this Saturday night), and now my plans have changed and we can't make it down. I paid $600 for the two tickets (including all the fees, etc). I'm asking $400 or best offer for both tickets. I can take

Re: [AFMUG] DFS impact on indoor SOHO routers

2016-10-14 Thread Jaime Solorza
It's a conspiracy.. Solecteks answer to every thing back in mid 90s was multi path problem. 90% of time is water in cable or interference With all the radar noise around here I just stay away from those channels. Commercial, government, military and international users. On Oct 14, 2016

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Jimmy Buffett Tickets in Vegas

2016-10-14 Thread Josh Luthman
Post to WISPA tons of people are here this week. We missed you this year :( Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Oct 14, 2016 9:19 AM, "Travis Johnson" wrote: > Hey... > > I purchased two tickets for the Jimmy Buffett

[AFMUG] For Sale

2016-10-14 Thread Yent, Timothy M
I still have the following items for sale. Best offer. 1 Allot NetEnforcer AC-1440 1 Allot NetEnforcer Bypass Tim Yent Technical Support Mercury Network Corporation

Re: [AFMUG] communicating with customers without untraining them

2016-10-14 Thread Ken Hohhof
I’m remembering when Verizon did this on their DSL, I think that was at least 5 years ago, perhaps more. What’s really annoying is that on the latest Office 365, Outlook still defaults to SMTP on port 25. Talking about MUA, not MTA. So some part of Microsoft is still back in 1998 with

[AFMUG] FS: 27RDs and PacketFlux modules

2016-10-14 Thread George Skorup
I'd have to see exactly how many, but is anyone interested in some old used ChannelMaster 27RD reflectors before I chuck them in the dumpster on Monday? They are the older style with the skinny bent round tube for mounting the Canopy radio. I also have two PacketFlux SiteMonitor 3-shunt /

Re: [AFMUG] i need an adult

2016-10-14 Thread Rick Harnish
George,Did Jesse get everything resolved satisfactorily yesterday?Respectively,Rick HarnishDirector of WISP MarketsDirect: 972.922.1443Baicells Technologies N.A. Inc.Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DroidOn Oct 12, 2016 11:37 PM, Rick Harnish wrote:George,It sounds

Re: [AFMUG] i need an adult

2016-10-14 Thread George Skorup
Yup. The Q was good. The updates coming will be nice. Tomorrow, right? :) On 10/14/2016 2:38 PM, Rick Harnish wrote: George, Did Jesse get everything resolved satisfactorily yesterday? /Respectively,/ / / /Rick Harnish/ /Director of WISP Markets/ /Direct: 972.922.1443/ /Baicells Technologies