Oh, well, if you want mp3, no drm or special app needed, then I haven't
a clue. The folks who sell these things don't want anybody being able to
strip the drm and freely distribute stuff that is licensed and thus not
free.
On 4/29/2024 4:01 PM, dennis wrote:
i don't like it because its a pain
i don't like it because its a pain in the neck to get and read the
books. i'm happy to pay for them i would just like access to mp3 books
or something on those lines.
On 4/29/2024 5:00 PM, Mary Otten via groups.io wrote:
So without knowing why you don’t like audible, it’s hard to recommend
So without knowing why you don’t like audible, it’s hard to recommend something
else. I buy things from Chirp books, only the ones on sale however, since
otherwise they are too expensive compared to Audible. Audible credits are
really a good way to go, because each credit if you get 24 per year
hi list. subject says it all. does anyone buy mp3 books or know of the
best place to do so? i hate audible and refuse to give them any more
money. thanks for any help.
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This is a strange situation. Tuesday I used my $199 Rode PodMic USB without any
issues. Yesterday exactly 24 hours later no one could hear me. I tried changing
cables, ports, settings on Zoom and Windows. I even took it to a different
computer. I also tried it with different apps on the same
Yes John, you can.
I'm using an older version, V5.70, and in there I think the setting is
called "Loop Back Recording".
Sorry, I'm not at the PC with Goldwave installed so can't double check that,
but perhaps that might give you a starting point.
By the way, there is a Google Group devoted
Can I use goldwave to record sound coming into my computer? Or sound playing
over my computer speaker? If so, how do I do that? I couldn't find it in the
goldwave manual.
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Hi would like to request the new pearl Jam album dark matter.
So if anyone has it can they pleas share it.
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Hey Howard.
Did you mean to provide a link to a text file? I don't see one here. As for the
too-large audio, you could maybe try wetransfer or something like that. Dropbox
seems popular among some users. You could also use justbeamit or something like
it to send the file to anyone individuall
I have uploaded an ASCII text of a tutorial, by John "Wilson, to
sendspace.com. I have three others that are audio files and too large to
put on the sendspace free. Anyone who can direct me where and how, I can
share them with you. They were offerred on the internet at no cost by
their
Hello,
That would be great, thanks.
Dave.
On 4/6/2024 4:51 PM, Howard Traxler wrote:
I have some of those old GW tutorials and possibly others. If anyone
would like them, II'd be glad to post or attach them somehow.
Howard
On 4/6/2024 1:53 PM, JM Casey wrote:
Not really out of date at
Put them up somewhere and people can retrieve them if they want. You won't be
able to send them to the list but you could provide a link
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Sent: April 6, 2024 4:51 PM
To: all-audio@groups.io
Subject: Re: [all-audio]
I have some of those old GW tutorials and possibly others. If anyone
would like them, II'd be glad to post or attach them somehow.
Howard
On 4/6/2024 1:53 PM, JM Casey wrote:
Not really out of date at all though -- not much has changed at all in many
years, both in terms of goldwave and how
The question was a tangenta bout VSTs, not instructional materials for
Goldwave. The goldwave manual should set you straight though.
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Sent: April 6, 2024 2:52 PM
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Subject: Re:
$300? Wow. What does this programme do that warrants such a price tag?
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From: all-audio@groups.io On Behalf Of Hamit Campos
Sent: April 6, 2024 2:36 PM
To: all-audio@groups.io
Subject: Re: [all-audio] Goldwave or Reaper Accessibility, and beginner
friendliness as a
Not really out of date at all though -- not much has changed at all in many
years, both in terms of goldwave and how audio editing works. Like I said
above though I have had some annoyances with newer versions of Goldawve.
Must ask one of the developers about the dictation mode business.
Hello Hamit,
I was replying to this message:
Don't remember anything offhand right now, but there are certainly
repositories of free vsts, as well as placed to purcahse others, online.
Search around and you should find some.
On 6 Apr 2024, at 19:36, Hamit Campos wrote:
Yes but they are
Hello,
No, just answering the subject.
On 6 Apr 2024, at 19:34, JM Casey wrote:
VST effects plugins are not goldwave specific. Goldwave is just able to use
them, or many of them at least. VST is supposed to be cross-platform, and
any programme that is VST capable will work with them, including
Hello,
I forgot, there was a set of free courses for GoldWave and Reaper by CAVI, very
much out of date now but I mention them because getting started with audio is
not seeking a DAW. The lectures for both DAWS were the same to start with.
These lectures were on subjects such as;
What is sound
Yes but they are going to something else.
Now they also have the Reaper Made Easy podcasts.
But again Reaper is an actual DAW.
Like ProTules Logic Sonar and so on and so on.
What do you want to actually do? For speech only though $300 US there's even
Studio Recorder of APH.
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VST effects plugins are not goldwave specific. Goldwave is just able to use
them, or many of them at least. VST is supposed to be cross-platform, and
any programme that is VST capable will work with them, including gw.
Not sure if you were directly replying to my message though? What sort of
Hello,
I haven't come across any Gold Wave resources. Audacity, someone set up a
podcast, which I've subscribed to but haven't spent the time in getting to know
it. Reaper has the reaper without peepers email list with an access to a
dropbox set of directories which has many resources. I
Don't remember anything offhand right now, but there are certainly repositories
of free vsts, as well as placed to purcahse others, online. Search around and
you should find some.
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Sent: April 6, 2024 10:16 AM
To:
Hey.
Yes, audacity is a multitrack editor. Your main work area is a project, not
just a sound file, and you can work with multiple objects within the project.
That is something a little closer to Reaper in theory than to Goldwave. But I
don't think Audacity can handle vst instruments or has a
Wondering if audacity has multiple tracks? Would it make a good
alternate choice as an editor? Thanks.
Howard
On 4/6/2024 9:15 AM, DAVID wrote:
Hi.
I like using gold wave but where can I get some vst effect plugin from
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Hi.
I like using gold wave but where can I get some vst effect plugin from
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Sent: Saturday, April 6, 2024 3:43 AM
To: all-audio@groups.io
Subject: Re: [all-audio] Goldwave or Reaper Accessibility, and beginner
Hello.
The two programmes are not exactly equivalents. Reaper is much more difficult
to use, but it's also a more versatile programme that is a fully fledged
multi-track recorder, editor, and you can even use it to drive soft synths and
do midi. So it al depends on what it is you want to do.
Hi Dave.
I never used Gold Wave but I do remember when I have heard people do so that it
was verry accessible with the JAWS scripts for it.
I'm learning Reaper.
So this kind of gets in to what do you want to do? Gold Wave and Sound Forge
which I have used are greit.
Reaper though is more
Hello,
I'm looking to get in to audio. I am wondering between Goldwave and
Reaper (latest versions) which people prefer in terms of it's
uaccessibility with a screen reader, beginner friendliness and ease of
use? Also, were you using one product then switched to another? If so why?
Thanks.
I would just do it manually. You can't always count on the same length of
silence appearin between tracks, and in fact, on some albums, there might
not be any between certain tracks at all. You've been trying to get this
task done for quite a long time; at this point I'd just use whatever method
Hi okay I would like some settings to use when auto cue points is used to split
an album.
That is one long MP3 file in to separate tracks.
I would like to know what would folks hear under the mark silence tab recommend
for settings when using auto cue for cue
points.
Recommend settings for
This has helped me as well, thanks all.
On Tue, 19 Mar 2024 16:09:55 -0400,
JM Casey wrote:
>
> Hey Dennis.
>
> Think Chris and I may have got to the root of the problem.
> At some point a few versions ago Goldwave introduced a new menu, the control
> menu, available from the menu bar, which
works fine. thanks a tun for all the help.
On 3/19/2024 3:24 PM, JM Casey wrote:
Cool. Yeah, that should work. Restart GW and see what happens.
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To:all-audio@groups.io
Subject: Re:
Cool. Yeah, that should work. Restart GW and see what happens.
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Sent: March 19, 2024 4:23 PM
To: all-audio@groups.io
Subject: Re: [all-audio] latest goldwave and keyboard
i found it. got rid of it. now i'll try using gw
i found it. got rid of it. now i'll try using gw again.
On 3/19/2024 3:17 PM, dennis via groups.io wrote:
ok. i re installed 6.8 and i can't find a goldwave keyboard text file
anywhere. where do i find it?
On 3/19/2024 3:10 PM, dennis via groups.io wrote:
ok thanks.
On 3/19/2024 3:09 PM, JM
Hey.
It's not part of the installed files. It gets created when you modify or save
the keyboard settings using the options, keyboard dialogue. So it would be left
over from an old version, which I guess is what causes the conflict.
It could be in your user directory\appdata\roaming folder, or
ok. i re installed 6.8 and i can't find a goldwave keyboard text file
anywhere. where do i find it?
On 3/19/2024 3:10 PM, dennis via groups.io wrote:
ok thanks.
On 3/19/2024 3:09 PM, JM Casey wrote:
Hey Dennis.
Think Chris and I may have got to the root of the problem.
At some point a few
ok thanks.
On 3/19/2024 3:09 PM, JM Casey wrote:
Hey Dennis.
Think Chris and I may have got to the root of the problem.
At some point a few versions ago Goldwave introduced a new menu, the control
menu, available from the menu bar, which lets you perform a bunch of functions
available
Hey Dennis.
Think Chris and I may have got to the root of the problem.
At some point a few versions ago Goldwave introduced a new menu, the control
menu, available from the menu bar, which lets you perform a bunch of functions
available elsewhere in the interface, and the keyboard stuff was
it was a dropbox link.i'll try again.
On 3/19/2024 2:46 PM, JM Casey wrote:
Huh. Weird. No nothing came through. You said it was a link, not an attachment?
Did you put it up on some remote storage service?
If it was an attachment after all, maybe jus try renaming it using some random
Huh. Weird. No nothing came through. You said it was a link, not an attachment?
Did you put it up on some remote storage service?
If it was an attachment after all, maybe jus try renaming it using some random
extension like .dog instead of .exe
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to your email address.
On 3/19/2024 2:36 PM, JM Casey wrote:
Hey Dennis.
I didn't get an e-mail with a link or an attachment. Did you send to my e-mail
address or to the list?
Thanks!
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Sent: March 19, 2024 3:27 PM
Hey Dennis.
I didn't get an e-mail with a link or an attachment. Did you send to my e-mail
address or to the list?
Thanks!
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From: all-audio@groups.io On Behalf Of dennis
Sent: March 19, 2024 3:27 PM
To: all-audio@groups.io
Subject: Re: [all-audio] latest goldwave and
did you get it from the link i sent?
On 3/19/2024 2:05 PM, JM Casey wrote:
Hey Dennis.
It won't let you on the list, but it should be fine to send privately. Unless
there's something weird about your e-mail client or service provider, but that
should be a setting you can change if so.
There
ok i'll try it.
On 3/19/2024 2:05 PM, JM Casey wrote:
Hey Dennis.
It won't let you on the list, but it should be fine to send privately. Unless
there's something weird about your e-mail client or service provider, but that
should be a setting you can change if so.
There are older versions on
Hey Dennis.
It won't let you on the list, but it should be fine to send privately. Unless
there's something weird about your e-mail client or service provider, but that
should be a setting you can change if so.
There are older versions on the site, but I think they are for older versions
of
i would be glad to but email won't let me because its an exe file. i
tried that a while back and it wouldn't go.are there not older versions
on the goldwave website? i thaught i had seen them before but i could be
wrong though.
On 3/19/2024 1:54 PM, JM Casey wrote:
Interesting.
Would you
Interesting.
Would you send me the 6.68 installer?
e-mail jmca...@teksavvy.com
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From: all-audio@groups.io On Behalf Of dennis
Sent: March 19, 2024 2:51 PM
To: all-audio@groups.io
Subject: Re: [all-audio] latest goldwave and keyboard
yes i just re installed 6.68 and
yes i just re installed 6.68 and everything is back to normal. thanks
for the info.
On 3/19/2024 1:48 PM, JM Casey wrote:
OK, interesting.
You wouldn't happen to still have an installer for 6.68, would you?
I believe it was 6.75 or so where this started happening, but I can't be 100%
certain.
OK, interesting.
You wouldn't happen to still have an installer for 6.68, would you?
I believe it was 6.75 or so where this started happening, but I can't be 100%
certain.
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Sent: March 19, 2024 2:46 PM
To:
i was using 6.68
On 3/19/2024 1:44 PM, JM Casey wrote:
Hey Dennis.
I just posted about this yesterday.
This isn't the first goldwave version where this has happened to me though. I
had reverted to 6.36 last year because of this same problem. So now, my next
question that I must ask you is:
Hey Dennis.
I just posted about this yesterday.
This isn't the first goldwave version where this has happened to me though. I
had reverted to 6.36 last year because of this same problem. So now, my next
question that I must ask you is: before you installed 6.80, what version of the
programme
hi list. i just installed latest goldwave 6.8.0 and the normal key
commands don't work any more. any ideas?
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Hey.
At least it happened to *someone* else.
That's a whole lot of keyboard things to assign. I certainly don't want to
spend a whole load of time doing that kind of thing. What I did do was save
the keyboad assignments from 6.36 into a text file. SO maybe I can import
that and it'll work? Am
When this happened to me, I wrote to Cris and he did not have aclue,
so I would write to him directly. I just re assigned the keyboard
shortcuts and went on.
On Mon, 18 Mar 2024 19:02:09 -0400,
tim cumings wrote:
>
> I would send a note to goldwave support. I am running the latest version of
>
Hi Casey!
In goldwave with your file loaded, press
Ault-T this will take you to the Options menu.
Then press "Ault-a" to insert markers then press Enter twice for this to
happen.
Once Goldwave has created the q points, press "Ault-s" and Goldwave will
split the file in to separate tracks.
I
Hi if you have an album that is one long file.
And you would like to use gold wave to split up the file in to separate tracks.
What is the best way to do that?
And how do you rewind and fast forward The file so you can add your start and
end markers where you want them?
And what keys do you
Hey.
Yeah, I guess that is a good idea then. Seems very peculiar that th is is
happening. I wonder what else is wrong.
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Sent: March 18, 2024 7:02 PM
To: all-audio@groups.io
Subject: Re: [all-audio] goldwave new version
I would send a note to goldwave support. I am running the latest version of
goldwave on a windows 10 machine with no problems.
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Sent: Monday, March 18, 2024 3:20 PM
To: all-audio@groups.io
Hey all.
I posted quite some time ago about a new version of goldwave that installed
and deleted all the default key bindings. Yes, the default ones. F4 to play
would still work, but not much else..couldn't record with ctrl-f9, rewind
with f5, or anything. I went into the keyboard settings and
Hi hear the address they way he sent it.
AudioOurPlace+subscribe@ googlegroups.com
Thanks to him for sending it.
But hear is the way the address will work.
audioourplace+subscr...@googlegroups.com
Notice the space in the first address with the space after the at sign.
I sent this to all
Hi there is a space after the at sign and the rest of the address.
So take out the space after the at sign in the address and it will go threw.
I read threw the address and caught that there was a space in there that
doesn't need to be.
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If you are unable to subscribe to that audio list with the email address I
provided earlier, you may email the list moderator directly at the email
address below my signature and request permission to subscribe to the Audio Our
Place list that I, Victor Lawrence have mentioned.
It wouldn't let me subscribe.
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To:
Sent: Thursday, February 29, 2024 10:24 PM
Subject: Re: [all-audio] looking for a lover boy disk ography
Hi everyone,
I've already emailed Casey and two others on this list about this, but I'll
post it to this
Hi everyone,
I've already emailed Casey and two others on this list about this, but I'll
post it to this list for all who are interested.
If you are interested in joining a list where you can request music as Casey
did, please subscribe by sending an email to an audio list for the blind at the
There is a list I'm on called Audio Our Place where we share all kinds of music
and other media. Email me off list and I'll see what I can do to get you on
that list if you are interested.
Yes, be careful about posting these kinds of emails to the wrong list as it's
true that you might get
Hello,
You are confusing readers. Do you want a discography as stated in the subject
line. Or are you asking for the albums? Which is how the body reads. As others
have stated. There are questions about copyright concerns if you are asking for
the albums.
On 28 Feb 2024, at 22:20, Tom Kaufman
As has been said on here, you _should not_ send messages of this type to
this list! True: I'm not the moderator. But to send this type of message
is asking for trouble!
Tom Kaufman
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Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2024 4:31
Hi I know that I have sent this before but not sure that I sent it the right
way.
But I am looking for any and all albums by the band lover boy.
That would include there greatest collections.
So if anyone has them can you please share them.
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On 2/28/2024 10:12 AM, Casey wrote:
Hi if anyone has a disk ographie of Loverboy.
Can you please share it including there greatest hits
Hi if anyone has a disk ographie of Loverboy.
Can you please share it including there greatest hits collections.
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I am setting up a machine to download audio files to my broadcast
automation server. For years I have been using free download manager
with out any problems. For some strange reason FDM won't work with the
server. I know the server works because I can upload and download files
using
What's this Dolby access? I know there's an atmos thing but What does this
do?
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hi John,
you can uninstall it,
hi John,
you can uninstall it, but are you sure it is just dolby access that is causing
the problem.
i have dolby access running along with VLC media player for listening to things
and i don't have any lag on anything i play.
but if you want to get rid of it just hit the windows key, go down to
Hi,
I installed Dolby Access from the Microsoft store, but I noticed that my audio
is starting to lag, and I'd like the app removed. When I go to the library
section of the store and find Dolby access, under the more options button, I
don't see an option to un-install it.
I'm using Windows 10.
Hello: Finally I did something right! Not only did I get Winamp back as my
default player, it now (when I hit "r" turned repeat mode off! Now all I
need to do is to get Google Chrome as my default browser and I'll be good;
aw.but that last one is for another list! Thanks for your indulgence!
Okay.in trying to look around to find the default app for Chrome, I now have
another app other than Winamp for my default app; I do not want this! I
want Winamp for my default app! So can someone _please_ tell me (in words I
understand)( how do I get Winamp to come up when I want to play a file?
Okay...first of all, I've looked high and low and see _nothing_ about advanced
playback" and playback? Well...nothing having anything to do with that repeat
mode; not as far as I can tell! Will test it out again and see if I can get
"repeat" to turn off and on without having to do much
Ahoy.
If the tree area has more branches to it it will say "open", and when you arrow
down and tab, you will see different things. A few of the sections in the
preferences have their own tab sections as well, which is at times an easy
thing to miss since just hitting tab, jaws skips right past
Okay...looked in Preferences and in playback, I see nothing that tells me about
that repeat toggle! What am I missing? I don't do that well with treeviews
anyhow, so I am probably missing a lot; I do see Playback, but it's all "Greek"
to Me!
Tom Kaufman
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From:
all i can think of is, look in prefferenses an under playback make shure
everything looks ok. not a bad idea to check around in there too because
recently i had advance playback unchecked somehow. when i opened a
playlist it would only play the first track and i couldn't figure out
what was
Okay...have yet another update for ya: this version of Winamp (after I did a
"custom install" seems to look like the original version of Winamp I had! What
caused me to re-install this version of Winamp was when I (at one point) heard
Jaws say, "Unable to display an appropriate library" so I
Okay...here's my update on the Winamp situation: I have downloaded and
installed the version of Winamp that Dennis suggested! It does work better;
this is to say that I can do the command that gives me the track length.
However, alt-R is still "hit-and-miss; when I first open a file to play,
Dennis: Thank you; gonna head there and see if I can download that version of
Winamp and hopefully will get better results than the version I have on there
now; I still, however, can't help but wonder if there is either a problem with
my computer or maybe my keyboard, although as much as I'm
go to
http://www.whitestick.co.uk/download.html
your looking for the link that says.
Winamp 58.3660 Beta. This is a new version of Winamp released October
2018. 8 MB.
it works fine.
On 2/18/2024 11:25 AM, dennis via groups.io wrote:
no its just .92. i'm gonna look and see if there is
no its just .92. i'm gonna look and see if there is another site to get
it from.
On 2/18/2024 11:08 AM, Tom Kaufman wrote:
Okay Dennis...is this 5.909 on that same page as where 5.092 is?
Tom Kaufman
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Sent: Sunday,
Okay Dennis...is this 5.909 on that same page as where 5.092 is?
Tom Kaufman
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Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2024 12:06 PM
To: all-audio@groups.io
Subject: Re: [all-audio] Another Winamp Problem
btw: i had to go back to 5.909
btw: i had to go back to 5.909 because 9.2 was freezing my computer.
On 2/18/2024 11:03 AM, Tom Kaufman wrote:
I guess I am still unclear as to where (exactly) and how I'm supposed to get there; as I
stated before, I'm going to preferences and do see where it says "skins" (is in
a treeview)
I guess I am still unclear as to where (exactly) and how I'm supposed to get
there; as I stated before, I'm going to preferences and do see where it says
"skins" (is in a treeview) but again...all I see are modern and classic (it's
set on classic) at least that's what I see, so there appears to
Are you looking in the preferences tree view? The skins area has some
subcategories, and in the general skins area, you will see installed skins, and
information about the current one that is set, which should be classic, but
you'll know for sure when you check it. Within the skins category you
In Skins, I see two choices, Modern and Classic (I have it set to Classic";
that's all I'm seeing, unless there's another area that says "skins" that I
don't know where it would be!
Tom Kaufman
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Sent: Saturday, February
Hey.
No, I'm sure your computer is fine; this isn't something to spend money and
huge effort on, you just have to figure out what to tweak in settings.
Look in the skins area. You'll see installed skins. Focus on the classic one,
as that's the one you should be using, and check out the options
Well at the moment, am not positive of where the problem is coming from; what I
do know is that there is some inconsistency; this is to say, I've actually
gotten alt-R to work; to take me to the end of the track like it's supposed to;
problem is, what do I do to make that magic happen? I've
Okay, tell me how to change the visualization; maybe that's what's messing
everything up! I must reiterate that as far as changing the skin selection,
there is no "changing it" not as far as I see; it just stays the same, although
there _must_ be a way of changing it to classic skin; must be
i did a custom install and did not install any visualization at all. it
works the same as always. i bet your problem is along the visualization
rout.
On 2/17/2024 1:18 PM, JM Casey wrote:
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The truth is that whoever is working on the winamp programme now is probably a
very small development
You might also consider taking your questions to one of the JAWS support
mailing lists. While I understand what you mean about wanting the old winamp
back, the problem you are having (the file length thing, right?) related to
jaws script behaviour, and not so much Winamp itself.
Hey again Tom.
You know you can see the track length in the playlist editor right? I can see
how that jaws command alt-r could be useful, and thanks for pointing it out by
the way since I had either forgotten or was never aware of it, but you can also
just open the playlist editor, which will
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The truth is that whoever is working on the winamp programme now is probably a
very small development team, and it isn't necessarily a priority project for
whoever now runs winamp.com as a whole. So on the page it says 5.91 still, but
that isn't the version that's there anymore. I do think
Hello Brian and list: Well right about now am almost willing to try Foobar,
for Winamp apparently is turning into a piece of crap! I tried to get to the
end of a file that I recorded this morning by using alt-R 9which is the correct
keystroke) but it insists that I have to be inside the main
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