Re: So i've just finished reading neverwhere and its amazing
Re: So i've just finished reading neverwhere and its amazing Neverwhere is awesome, now if that series was available with description it would rock! Hope you enjoy buffy and Angel. I'll probably start going through audio described Buffy with my lady in the near future, and it's nice to know we well might have Angel available when we get to it. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/581710/#p581710 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: So i've just finished reading neverwhere and its amazing
Re: So i've just finished reading neverwhere and its amazing Neverwhere is awesome, now if that series was available with description it would rock! Hope you enjoy buffy and Angel. I'll probably start going through audio described Buffy with my lady in the near future, and it's nice to know we'll have Angel available when we get to it. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/581710/#p581710 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: So i've just finished reading neverwhere and its amazing
Re: So i've just finished reading neverwhere and its amazing Hi,Thanks Dark for the buffy/Angel info, I actually found a website which gives a full list of both series and the recommended order in which to watch each episode of each series to keep the timeline in sync with each other. since I’m watching them digitally anyway I’ll probably follow that order so I’m watching them in a chronological order so the two story lines and cross overs tie together well. If you are interested I found out that Channel 4 who recently aired Buffy with audio description are planning on also airing Angel this Autumn, but they have already uploaded all five seasons of angel to their Channel 4 streaming service so its possible to stream each episode already and I checked when logged into channel 4’s streaming service and each episode of Angel has audio description. Anyway, I appreciate this is a little off topic so I apologise and to bring it back onto topic I’m about to start the Neverwhere book tonight, really looking forward to it after so many people in this thread have recommended it, so thanks to the OP and others who have recommended the book.Paul Lemm URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/581702/#p581702 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: So i've just finished reading neverwhere and its amazing
Re: So i've just finished reading neverwhere and its amazing @Jayde: I don't think the author meant for it to be scary. Just a place someone shouldn't go if not prepared for it. I never found Nightside to have a "scary" vibe; merely an alternate reality of impossibilities. Just like Neverwhere. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/580980/#p580980 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: So i've just finished reading neverwhere and its amazing The impression I got when trying to read the Nightside novels is that they're a lot simpler, by and largee Some very creepy dark fantasy elements, but a writing style that rubbed me personally the wrong way. I think I heard the main character say something like "this is the Nightside" in an attempt to scare his first client something like six times. It has admittedly been awhile, but the writing didn't grab me. In my memory, it has a trying-too-hard feel. "Ooh, look at how scary this Nightside place is. See how scary it is? See? See? Listen to me! Real scary!" And if you have to do that as a character or an author, you're going to really put me off. -Show me how scary it is. Don't just tell me. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/580973/#p580973 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: So i've just finished reading neverwhere and its amazing @Lem buffy season 4 and Angel season 1 take place at the same time, so theoretically you could do either Buffy 3, then angel 1, then Buffy 4, or Buffy 3, then Buffy 4 then angel 1. You could even literally alternate watching episodes of each, though being as I was watching them on Dvd that was a little impractical, so I just did buffy 3, then angel 1, then buffy 4, then angel 2, then buffy 5 and so on.The connections between the two are really interesting, though Angel on it's own is actually a pretty good series anyway, particularly the arc at the end of season 2 leading into season 3, and even though I really didn't like what happened with some chracters towards the end, over all it was pretty awesome. @Munawar, glad you like Neverwhere. I've got the nightside books I believed. I was sort of under the impression that they were more like Jim Butcher's Dresden files, more sort of urban fantasy with paranormal elements, rather than the neverwhere hidden world thing. If they are more like Neverwhere, I probably ought to look into them myself. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/580968/#p580968 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: So i've just finished reading neverwhere and its amazing
Re: So i've just finished reading neverwhere and its amazing Neverwhere is a great book and I found out about it from this topic. Thanks for the recommendation.As for the sequel, they've lumped both into one and you can find them on Audible at this link: https://www.audible.com/pd/Neverwhere-A … ZVQF1WW6N0It was a book I thoroughly enjoyed and one of the best recommendations in a long time.For people who enjoy this kind of stuff, The Nightside Series is also a great one. There are about 12 books and they also take place in an alternate reality in London (why does it always have to be London?)Audible has the full collection and the narration is spot-on. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/580939/#p580939 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: So i've just finished reading neverwhere and its amazing
Re: So i've just finished reading neverwhere and its amazing Neverwhere is a great book and I found out about it from this topic. Thanks for the recommendation.As for the sequel, they've lumped both into one and you can find them on Audible at this link: https://www.audible.com/pd/Neverwhere-A … ZVQF1WW6N0It was a book I thoroughly enjoyed and one of the best recommendations in a long time.For people who enjoy this kind of stuff, The Nightside Series is also a great one. There are about 12 books and they also take place in an alternate reality in London (why does it always have to be London?) URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/580939/#p580939 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: So i've just finished reading neverwhere and its amazing
Re: So i've just finished reading neverwhere and its amazing Hi Dark, sounds interesting and I’m looking forward to giving it a watch. I think I’ll watch them in chronological order too, so just to confirm its buffy season 3, then angel season 1, does it just follow that trend from then in out? So buffy season 4 , then Angel season 2 and so on and so forth, I assume it probably does , but thought I’d double check as I’m pretty sure the show would have aired around the time of the big TV writer strike where certain tv series got delayed as a result.Paul Lemm URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/580745/#p580745 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: So i've just finished reading neverwhere and its amazing @Lem, Yep, Angel gives scope to so much in Buffy, indeed a pretty important figure in Angel and Spike's past is given quite a major context and history in Angel, I won't say who since their arrival and what happens to them is quite the surprise, but lets say that person's fairly short appearance in Buffy is given a hole lot more meaning. There's a section where some elements of the Buffy season 7 finale are for caste in Angel season 4, as well as then looking at some of the fall out of what happens in the finale in Buffy season 5. I won't say what here since I'm not sure how many seasons of Buffy you've watched, but lets say, I was glad to watch the two together, indeed when I decided I wanted to watch Buffy, everyone from my friends to my brother pretty much strongarmed me into watching Angel at the same time, and I'm really glad I did, and not just because bits of Angel aare pretty fantastic on their own.Actually what I did, was watch the seasons in order, so buffy 1-3, then angel season 1, then buffy 4 etc, obviously it took a good bit longer, but was really worth it. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/580680/#p580680 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: So i've just finished reading neverwhere and its amazing
Re: So i've just finished reading neverwhere and its amazing Hi,Thanks Dark, for some reason I thought Angel was set after the buffy series, I’m even more intrigued to check out the series now I know it runs in parallel with Buffy, also gives me the excuse to check out that audio described version of buffy too, since its been a while since I watched the show and a recap would probably be good before jumping into Angel.Paul Lemm URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/580647/#p580647 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: So i've just finished reading neverwhere and its amazing
Re: So i've just finished reading neverwhere and its amazing Okay Lem, Transcriptions sent. If other people want them, let me know and I'll gladly stick them on sendspace. It's a shame to miss out on Angel really, given how integral it is to Buffy's story line. Season 1 of angel happens at the same time as Buffy season 4, season 2 season 5 and so on, with Angel Seasons 4 and 5 happening after the Buffy series finishes, there are even a couple of crossovers where characters from Buffy Like Willow, Jonathon and occasionally Buffy herself turn up in Angel as well, albeit I do wish they'd done a few more of these to tie the two series together a bit more. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/580388/#p580388 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: So i've just finished reading neverwhere and its amazing Hi Dark,I did something similar with buffy, I found a website which gave a really detailed transcription of the episode and although I didn’t read it whilst watching the episode I’d often read it afterwards if I knew there was a fair bit of finer detail shown only visually (it came in really handy for the silent episode where they all had no voices! Definitely not helpful when watching without audio description hahaha(. The website doesn’t work any longer,I can’t remember what it was called as once the website stopped working I removed it from my favourites. Due to enjoying buffy so much I’ve always thought about giving Angel a watch, but like I said lack of audio description always put me off a little, but if you’ve got the transcriptions in text format and are happy sharing them with me that would be awesome and I could give the show a watch, I’ve sent you a PM with my details. Paul Lemm URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/580238/#p580238 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: So i've just finished reading neverwhere and its amazing @Lem, I'll bare that in mind about black mirror since it is a series I've heard about. Interestingly enough, with Buffy and Angel, I found some pretty awesome online transcripts from a now no longer available site which detail all the action rather nicely. I would have one of those open in a separate window whilst watching the dvds, and if I thought I'd missed something (especially in fast action sequences), would cut to it. Hopefully, a described version of Angel will materialise at some point, but in the mean time, if You'd like the transcripts, let me know. The website where I got them seems to be down, but fortunately I saved them all for future use as text files.Actually, I'd also like to show my lady several bits of Startrek TNG, which is a series I've been watching since I was in my mid teens, and which has some episodes I know she'd love, but sadly I've not come across any audio descriptions of that as yet, and unfortunately the dvd copies I have don't have descriptions either. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/580192/#p580192 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: So i've just finished reading neverwhere and its amazing
Re: So i've just finished reading neverwhere and its amazing Hi,@dark, that was a terrible typo on my behalf, I definitely meant the twilight Zone and not twilight hahaha. As for Angel, I might give that a go at some stage, I’m kind of hoping that whichever channel showed buffy and added audio description, that they will decide to show Angel next and audio describe that too. although I will watch stuff without audio description, I do prefer shows and films which do have it, rather than having to go look up the episode online if something essential wasn’t clear without the audio description. I completely understand your point regarding black Mirror, the fact each episode was completely separate put me off the show for ages, as again I quite like following a progressive story arc and following specific characters as the show evolves. I’m pleased I did watch it though in the end, but although there are some fantastic episodes in there, as with these types of shows, combined with the fact they use different actors in each episode there are definitely a couple of dud episodes in there too, but I think the good definitely out weigh the bad. I did watch a few of the outer limits which I enjoyed, if you do like something darker and ever get round to watching Black Mirror I’m sure you’ll enjoy it, especially the USS Callister’ episode I mentioned, I think its definitely a great episode to give a taste of what to expect from the show.Paul Lemm URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/580180/#p580180 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: So i've just finished reading neverwhere and its amazing
Re: So i've just finished reading neverwhere and its amazing @Lem, don't confuse Twilight and the twilight zone . Actually for that sort of anthology story telling I always prefered the outer limits which was a bit darker. Black mirror would be interesting, but at the moment I think I'm more drawn to series that ell a definite story than series which are episodic. Reading (or audio dramas), tend to take priority with me, much as I like my dvd collection in general. Angel really is the companion series to Buffy, and a lot of events and characters cross between them, for example Cordelia's story and development as a character from completely shallow, self-obsessed mean girl, to pretty awesome, world saving hero needs to carry on over with Angel. Same goes for Wesley and Faith.There are elements of the story in Angel I disliked, for example, I liked where Spike's story ended for Buffy, and was actively disappointed that he was bought into Angel as a character, since awesome though Spike was, I preferred the idea of him having a distinct ending, to him just sort of just being bought back to carry on because he was popular. Likewise, the Buffy series actually left the angel/buffy relationship in a far better place than Angel did, albeit most people's problem with Angel, the sort of open ended "one more battle", ending didn't bother me quite as much as the fact that one beloved and amazing character in Angel got really severely short changed, seemingly just because they needed to resolve her story some way. Actually, I've seen those audio described Buffy seasons and have been thinking of trying them out with my lady, since I've always thought she'd enjoy Buffy if we could find it with description.It's odd, I never liked Buffy whenever I encountered it in the early 2000's, mostly because I just saw a couple of isolated "monster of the week" type of episodes, and beyond watching teenagers pound on vampires, never really got the relationships or what was going on. it was after I watched firefly and loved the world and the characters, that various people told me Buffy had the same quality of writing, so even though Urban fantasy is probably one of my least favourite genres, I decided to give it a go, and yeah, it was pretty amazing! As to the ending of game of thrones, well as I've been sharing thoughts progressively in monthly chat topics, I'll not start about that here. I'm going to start season 8 this evening, so we'll see. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/580177/#p580177 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: So i've just finished reading neverwhere and its amazing
Re: So i've just finished reading neverwhere and its amazing @Lem, don't confuse Twilight and the twilight zone . Actually for that sort of anthology story telling I always prefered the outer limits which was a bit darker. Black mirror would be interesting, but at the moment I think I'm more drawn to series that ell a definite story than series which are episodic. Reading (or audio dramas), tend to take priority with me, much as I like my dvd collection in general. Angel really is the companion series to Buffy, and a lot of events and characters cross between them, for example Cordelia's story and development as a character from completely shallow, self-obsessed mean girl, to pretty awesome, world saving hero needs to carry on over with Angel. Same goes for Wesley and Faith.There are elements of the story in Angel I disliked, for example, I liked where Spike's story ended for Buffy, and was actively disappointed that he was bought into Angel as a character, since awesome though Spike was, I preferred the idea of him having a distinct ending, to him just sort of just being bought back to carry on because he was popular. Likewise, the Buffy series actually left the angel/buffy relationship in a far better place than Angel did, albeit most people's problem with Angel, the sort of open ended "one more battle", ending didn't bother me quite as much as the fact that one beloved and amazing character in Angel got really severely short changed, seemingly just because they needed to resolve her story some way. Actually, I've seen those audio described Buffy seasons and have been thinking of trying them out with my lady, since I've always thought she'd enjoy Buffy if we could find it with description. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/580177/#p580177 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: So i've just finished reading neverwhere and its amazing
Re: So i've just finished reading neverwhere and its amazing You're dead right about the ending. I experienced it in the book first, and man did it hit me hard. After that, you just can't ever experience it fresh. You're also right in that the acting in the movie was very good. I can't think of a single character that was acted badly off the top of my head. And it's okay that we differ on which had the bigger impact. I got the gut-punch from the book, and while I don't think that is the difference-maker for me, it will be for others. That's the beauty of human experience. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/579988/#p579988 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: So i've just finished reading neverwhere and its amazing Hi,@dark, although I haven’t had much time for films and tv series recently, I normally enjoy watching tv shows and films as much as books. I tend to watch most Netflix stuff directly through the app on my phone since I don’t have enough sight to see the show even on a big tv, and since the app layout is really nice and accessible and easier/quicker on the phone than using Netflix on my firestick, if it’s just me watching I’ll often watch/listen via my phone. . I haven’t seen any of the twilight series, but I’ve seen people make comparisons between that and black mirror, I think Black mirror has a key focus on technology, mainly either on new technology we have now or burgeoning technology which isn’t a million years away . There’s a lot of nuance in the series as it explores things like how technology often built for good purposes gets used for a darker purpose, or some of the moral implications the new technology puts on society and how it really is a new world we are entering with unwritten rules on what is and isn’t acceptable on a moral level with some of this nnew technology, and also how technology shapes us and society too. I realise as I’m writing this I’m probably making the show sound terrible as writing really isn’t a strong point of mine. Needless to say it really is a great series and one I’d recommend for sci-fi fans or people with an interest in technology and enjoy a show with a darker theme. As for GOT, I’ve watched that and enjoyed it, a lot of people hated the final series, I definitely wouldn’t go as far as to say I hated the final series, there were some things I didn’t enjoy how they did it, but I think this comes back to my point from my previous post in that trying to cram a whole huge book into a ten episode series just isn’t possible, so you miss some of the finer points of what make the story, but despite that I still enjoyed the series, although will be looking forward to seeing what George Martin does with the ending in the book series (if it ever gets finished hahaha). I’ve seen buffy before, but not angel, actually recently one of the audio description sites put up an audio described version of each of the buffy seasons, so I think at some stage I’ll probably re watch that as its been a long time and would be nice to watch with audio description.@Jayde, I agree with you and dark on the Hobbit film, it was a favourite book of mine as a kid, possibly that or the lion, Witch and the wardrobe were the first fantasy books I read. I was horrified when I found out they had split it into 3 films, as you said that could have only been purely for money making purposes. I did watch the thing just to see what they did with it and for my love of the original book and well let’s just say it definitely won’t be something I’d watch again. Regarding the Green mile, you make some good points, I think for me personally I felt more of an emotional connection to the characters in the film for some reason. Just for anyone else reading this I’ll say not to read further if you haven’t seen the film/read the book and don’t want spoilers. I’m not usually moved hugely by films in general although I enjoy watching them, but I did feel there was some great acting in the film and although the final scene with John not much is said it carries a lot of emotion I think, although I do have to say I was also watching it in a cinema where you could hear a lot of people crying/sniffling or just clearing their throats at that point in the film, which I guess carries some emotion itself. I think you could also argue that since I knew nothing about the film before I went to see it and it is a bit of a shock ending, that with an ending such as that you can only truly experience it once, as the second time you know what’s coming so it’s less impactful, so I guess reading the book many years later after watching the film numerous times that it may be due to the first watch of the film and its initial watch and story reveal/ending may be why I have a preference to the film. Don’t get me wrong I enjoyed the book too, but it just didn’t quite have the same power at the end for me at least as that of the film. Also its not a typical Stephen king book, in that its not a horror which is his usual genre , but also I believe The Green mile the book was actually written and published originally as a collection of short stories and only later published as a full book, so not typical in that fashion either. Again, though like I said I didn’t dislike the book and enjoyed reading it especially to get a little more detail around the characters, plus some extra story content which was removed from the film which you can often find in a book that you just can’t squash into an hour and a half film.Paul Lemm URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/579940/#p579940 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin
Re: So i've just finished reading neverwhere and its amazing
Re: So i've just finished reading neverwhere and its amazing The fact that they had to split a three-hundred-and-something-page book into several movies is disgusting. I refuse to watch The Hobbit on general principles for just that reason. To me, at least, this was a money-making scheme, no more and no less. You want to make a 140-minute full feature of The Hobbit? Sure, go for it. You want to make multiple movies out of it? You're going to draw out battle scenes to ludicrous lengths, add in new characters and new interactions that do not strictly have to be there, and otherwise try to wow the crowd. I'm just not buying.I preferred the novelization of The Green Mile overall, but the movie was extremely good. The difference isn't huge, but I feel some important nuance from book to movie was lost. For instance, in the novel, Hal's wife Melinda swears and says some awful things while she's got her brain tumour, and is otherwise characterized as someone with a fairly sweet nature, someone who would never say such things. While I don't think this was absolutely integral to the story, I think it was interesting and helped add a touch more depth. I also don't recall Paul actually finding out that John was innocent; I might be misremembering this, but I feel like they abbreviated or even cut off the whole side story where Paul easily discovers all the circumstantial evidence used to convict Coffey. I thought this was a great way to show the casual racism of the time, and also a great way to show the way the legal system was broken in those days, and how powerless someone might feel. I also miss Brad Dolan; again, not a vital character, but someone that would have slightly enriched Pauls' nursing-home life and how his experiences changed him and all that. Like I say, none of these damned the movie; it's still very, very good. I just like the book a wee bit more, because the movie didn't do anything that the book didn't, and it left out a few extra bits that I think provided a slightly fuller, deeper picture and world to inhabit for awhile. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/579914/#p579914 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: So i've just finished reading neverwhere and its amazing I've heard that the amazon controls are accessible on the phone Ap, though since I have no chance in hell of getting anything visually out of something as small as a phone screen, I just haven't investigated that. Sadly, on PC they're %100 inaccessible.Actually, the description of the boys sounds a bit like the anime Tiger and bunny which I did enjoy, and which again, did something different with superheroes. It's probably a series I'll like, albeit I have game of thrones season 8, and the audios to go first. I've heard of black mirror, as a sort of modern version of the twilight zone, though haven't really investigated the series. In general, I tend to read more than I watch tv, mostly I pick one series and go slowly through it a couple of episodes at a time, I've been doing GoT for the last few months, and before that it was Picard, before that buffy the vampire slayer and Angel. GoT has taken me a bit longer because of having to watch the series and do the audio descriptions separately, since annoyingly the full box set of dvds didn't come with description, even though some of the past seasons did.With book/film adaptations, I'm at least partly a purist, however equally I don't mind if something is just done differently or given a different spin, EG, I'd have never imagined Saruman the way Christopher lee did him, but he was awesome. Likewise, in game of thrones, the scenes with Aria and Tywin aren't in the books at all, but are amazing! What worries me slightly more, is when the plots of books are simply altered to make them shallower or more visually appealing, without any attention paid to consistency of world or characters. For example, the idea that golum could actually get Sam to Abandon Frodo on the boarders of Mordor, or the random Elf/dwarf romance in the hobbit. Indeed, there is a perfect example of what should've been a great adaptation handled badly, since had Toriel been introduced simply as a kick ass female elf guard captain, perhaps one who goes against her King to try and help out the dwarves, or perhaps one who gets in trouble due to the dwarves escape by barrel and so has to win back her King's respect, that would have been fantastic!The hobbit after all has no female characters, and having one at least in there fulfilling her own story would have both added to the richness of the world, and been all around a good move, after alll Tolkein had several pretty awesome female elven warriors, notably Luthein herself.however, what do they do with Toriel? A legolas, Fili Toriel love triangle! of all the trite, pathetic, shallow things to do with a female character, the love triangle! and a cross ratial love triangle that has no basis in Tolkkein's legendarium! especially one featuring a character who didn't even need to be in this story! This is what I mean with adaptation. I don't mind changes that enhance the story, but I strongly dislike changes that actually break the story, or simply make no sense with the established world or characters.Btw, for more about this, check out Lost in adaptation, by Dominic noble on Youtube, a youtuber who compares films to the books they are based on, he's done everything from Harry potter and Twilight, to Rebecca, picture of Dorian grey and the invisible man.I don't agree with him about everything, but he's entertaining and has interesting opinions. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/579912/#p579912 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: So i've just finished reading neverwhere and its amazing Hi,@dark, yeah its weird how Amazon audio description needs to be set up. I’m not sure if it still works, but when I originally signed up for the amazon streaming service I was able to activate audio description via the app on my iPhone and the setting was automatically then set on my account for all devices. As for the boys, I’d strongly recommend the series, I’ve just started on season 2, I’m only a couple of episodes in, but the first series was definitely awesome. Not your standard superheroes show, the superhero business is now all owned by a giant corporation, where profits and ratings are more important than the actual business of saving people. So the superheroes are kind of corrupt and not really the heroes of the show. I don’t want to say more and spoil anything, everything I’ve mentioned so far you see from very early on in the first episode . the humour is definitely very dark, it’s also got a fair amount of swearing in it, but its very good and definitely a totally different take on a superheroes show, but I’d definitely recommend watching it. I appreciate this is totally off topic, but since you’ve mentioned you enjoy sci-fi and mentioned star trek in your previous post, have you ever watched Black Mirror? There is a star trek style episode in season 4 called ‘USS Callister’, I think this might be one of my favourite black mirror episodes . All black Mirror episodes are totally independent of each other, with completely separate stories, different actors for each episode etc, so you can watch one without watching another. The main character in this episode has recreated a virtual reality world of a 80s sci-fi show (clearly meant to be star trek, but renamed I’m sure for legal reasons hahaha), which is in itself all pretty harmless, but in true black mirror style there is a real nice dark twist to the whole thing. Like I said a great episode and I think as a star trek and sci-fi fan it’s an episode I think you’d really enjoy. This was actually the first black mirror episode I watched since I accidently started on searies 4 by mistake hahaha. Oh, and love that you didn’t buy the mind trap as it would have been icky @Jayde, yeah I’m a bit dubious of most books which get turned into films or TV series, which happens a lot at the moment. I think most times the outcome is always disappointing and never quite live up to the book. A couple of exceptions spring to mind, I mentioned it earlier in the topic, but the film fight club I thought was actually a really good interpretation of the book. the Green mile by Stephen King was another one, I actually saw the film first and read the book second, but I think I actually prefer the film over the book, which very rarely ever happens, especially with such a well known and respected author as Stephen King, another tv series I really enjoyed was True blood, I saw the tv series first, due to how much I enjoyed the show decided to read the books since they were meant to have an alternative and better ending, and have been reading the book series on and off over the past year or so since there are a lot of books in the series and they are fairly light reading. I actually really enjoyed the TV show possibly more than the books, but then they also differ quite substantially from the books. I think like you and dark I’m some what dreading what they might do to the wheel of time series when they turn it into a show, especially since the books are so big and detailed and there’s just no way you can squees all of a book into a 10 episode series, although on the other hand , especially in the later books they are slightly longer than needed and drag a little so maybe the tv series could potentially merge some of that into a single series, although that in itself could be terrible if done poorly. I think another concern is that being so many books even if they drastically cut out a lot of stuff there would still need to be an incredible amount of series to fit in the whole Wheel of time story, and I think in this day and age with so much streaming content it’s rare for a TV show to get lots and lots of series unless the show hits superstardom levels, but even then its rare to see more than maybe 5 or 6 series. One advantage if this isn’t a Netflix series is that Netflix in particular have a tendency to only air shows for three seasons and end production after that unless it is a really, really crazy popular show. But I think regardless of whether its amazon or Netflix like I said a concern is even if the show turns out to be an excellent telling of the wheel of time, whether the show will make it all the way to the final book and not get pulled without finishing the whole story. I guess no matter what happens though it can’t be worse than the Wheel of time pilot episode which came out a few years ago which caused all the controversy when the company which owned the rights
Re: So i've just finished reading neverwhere and its amazing
Re: So i've just finished reading neverwhere and its amazing I have high hopes for WoT, but I also have had high hopes before, and they were dashed. I know already that it won't match the books. There's no way; Jordan is too unique and singular a voice, and flaws or no, the series is very much its own thing, and it's hard to top. If I watch this series - I don't have Netflix or anything like that - it will have to be with my preconceived notions and expectations based on the series put aside. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/579709/#p579709 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: So i've just finished reading neverwhere and its amazing @Lem, the sad thing is that as I said, Badali jewelary actually did sell a lot of WoT merchandise up until the series was announced. They had the Aja pendents, Ais Sidai rings, the forehead jewel that Moirane wears (which I also bought for my lady), as well as several terangreael charms, and even the mind trap, (which I did not buy for my lady since that would have been quite icky ).So it's rather sad that they aren't for sale anymore. Actually if WoT is amazon rather than netflicks, that will be good, since we were thinking we might need to get Netflicks at least temporarily in order to watch it. When I watched Startrek Picard on Amazon it did have audio description, albeit due to amazon's really stupid design, the controls to enable audio description are inaccessible (no this does not make sense), I actually had to get my brother to login to my own amazon account on his machine and enable the audio description for me. I am actually thinking of watching the boys when I've finished game of thrones, usually I really dislike superheroes, but I get the strong impression the boys is very much a series for people who dislike superheroes .On the WoT series generally, we're sort of cringing in preparation for it to be pretty terrible, but we might be pleasantly surprised, we'll have to wait and see, they'll certainly need to cut a lot from the books, which is fair enough, but it's whether what stays in actually works, and doesn't just descend into the usual style over substance style story telling. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/579589/#p579589 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: So i've just finished reading neverwhere and its amazing Hi,@Jayde, Although I’ve got Unfettered 3 which has the Fire within the ways story I haven’t started reading the book yet, I did read river of souls the week before last. It was a nice piece, although not essential to the overall Wheel of time story (so I see why it might have been cut since the books were already so big), but like you said it was good to get a little bit of back story around Demandred and the Shara people,, plus the origins of the item he finds in the book too. As for merchandise there’s definitely been some very cool stuff mentioned in this topic, , I hadn’t heard of denarius coins before, but then haven’t read any of the Dresden file books. I did see in another topic (Gorillas Playthrough I think) that you’re a fan of Final Fantasy X (its probably my favourite too, although also the last one in the series I played , so can’t speak for ones later in the series), but although it’s not strictly Merchandise more promotional material, but I’m sure it was for the launch of Final Fantasy x that in Japan they released a limited edition energy drink called Phoenix down to help promote the launch of the game, which I just thought as a final fantasy fan was a really cool marketing trick/concept. I tried really hard to get hold of one for the person I was seeing at the time as she was Final Fantasy crazy, but couldn’t get hold of one over here in the UK. They even ran a TV commercial, which was a live action thing set in the streets of japan, where the main character and others around them all had numbers above their head (final fantasy HP style) with the number counting down as they take damage, when it hits zero he falls , only to drink the Phoenix down energy drink, at which point it inevitably plays the classic final fantasy phoenix down revival sound then the guy gets back up and goes on a rampage hahaha, it was very cheesy but cool in a final fantasy promotional kind of way @ dark, those are some Awesome items from the shop, I like that you can even buy metal vials from the Mistborn series from there too. I actually thought the wheel of time series was an Amazon studios show, I believe the Lord of the rings is also being Produced by Amazon too, so I’m surprised they can still sell the Lord of the rings stuff but not the Wheel of time merchandise, although it could be something to do with the fact that Wheel of time is a direct remake of the book series, where as I believe that the upcoming Lord of the rings series is a new concept separate from the book series, which might make it not such a problem to be selling stuff based on the books since the show isn’t based on those books. Part of me wishes the Wheel of time was a Netflix production, since I tend to find them the best provider for adding audio description to their original series, although in fairness to amazon I probably don’t watch as much stuff there so they may these days create a lot of audio description content too, I know I recently watched their adaption of the very dark humoured comic superhero sereies ‘The boys’ which was an amazon original and it did have audio description, so hoping regardless of whether it’s a Netflix or Amazon whoever shows it adds audio description to the Wheel of time tv sereiesPaul Lemm URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/579478/#p579478 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: So i've just finished reading neverwhere and its amazing I should check those unfettered anthologies. Lev Grossman's magicians trilogy is one people have recommended, in particular, the webmaster of fantasybokkreview.co.uk is a big fan. I do recall reading a story in a collection myself, possibly the same one that is in unfettered, it was a pretty okay story, but I got the impression it would mean a lot more if I'd read the rest of the series since it delved into the past of the magical university. Badali jewelary who I mentioned above sold ashaman pins and cufflinks, I didn't buy the sword pin as they only had it as a tie clip, and I don't generally wear shirts with ties. The reason I bought my lady the Green aja flame of tarvallan pendent was because I couldn't get a shawl, and it was the next best thing. Interestingly enough, they had pendents in all the Aja colours, including black! .The only problem as I said though, is that they've had to stop their WoT line because of the silly netflicks licensing, which is a shame. They haven't had any Game of thrones stuff for the same reason, though they have a fair amount of lord of the rings and jewelary from middle earth generally, as well as from many other series including mistborn (you can have your own set of Alamantic vials), Kingkiller, Dresden and quite a few others. I can also confirm that their stuff is really nice in terms of quality and detail, indeed my lady bought me a bridge four pendent for Christmas last year. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/579377/#p579377 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: So i've just finished reading neverwhere and its amazing My inner nerd is very excited at all this stuff like Asha'Man pins, talent pipes, denarius coins and the like. I wish I'd heard of it sooner.If you read New Spring, you will absolutely see a new and pretty inexperienced Moiraine for quite awhile. She's one of the primary protagonists of the book, and it's set twenty years or so before the main series.One of the expanded WoT stories is called River of Souls, I believe, and it's quite good. Digs a bit into Demandred and how he gets the people of Sharra on his side...it's actually a pretty nuanced and sympathetic look at him.The other one, A Fire Within the Ways, is actually a short novella, I believe, and basically concerns how Perrin and a bunch of friends close the Ways so that shadowspawn can't use them anymore. I haven't read it yet, but it is narrated by Michael Cramer. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/579352/#p579352 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: So i've just finished reading neverwhere and its amazing Hi,@dark, I didn’t realise the new spring was meant to be a set of three books, that’s a shame they won’t get written as I enjoyed that book and getting a look into a younger and slightly less experienced and knowledgeable Moirraine. I agree with your thoughts about Sanderson not wanting to expand the series further being a good thing in a way, as although part of me would love to read more Wheel of Time, I think picking the story up after the final book and detracting from having a definitive ending could ruin the series, which would be a shame as its definitely up there as a favourite of mine. With the unfettered books as a whole there are some good short stories in there, but as is the way of most books which contain short stories by multiple authors there are also some not so great stories in there too! I think I read somewhere that you enjoy Tad Williams, I think he writes a short story in each of the unfettered books (or at least I think he does) I’ve read a few Tad Williams Series in the past . Still the Unfettered books were a nice chance to read some stories by authors I haven’t heard of before, or at least hadn’t previously read any of their books. Actually I’ve heard lots of people really highly rate Lev Grossmans’s Magician Trilogy, I tried reading it once but just couldn’t get into it, there was a short story from that world in the first Unfettered book and its tempted me to go back and give his Magicians Trilogy a second look as I only part read book one, which is really unlike me as usually even if I really dislike a book or it doesn’t do it for me I’ll normally always read it through to the end as I hate leaving unfinished books, or reading more than one book at a time. One final thing, regarding Wheel of Time merchandise, I know someone who got a Asha’man Dragon pin, I’ll have to ask him where he picked it up and see if by any chance they do Shawls too, if they do I’ll let you know.Paul Lemm URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/579343/#p579343 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: So i've just finished reading neverwhere and its amazing @Lem, Yeah, my lady loves the great serpent ring and Green Aja pendent, actually rather the way I wear a copy of the one ring on the opposite hand to my wedding ring, my lady wears her great serpent ring all the time too. I also have some Ashaman dragon cufflinks for myself .Sadly, Badali Jewelary, who previously made all the Wo~T stuff, have had to stop their WoT line with the tv series coming out, because you know, netflicks wants their sweet sweet merchandise deals, their website is here, and they have a lot of cool stuff, we even have talent pipes from Kingkiller, and I bought my brother one of the Dresden files black danarius fallen angel coins as a Christmas present last year as well. Those unfetterred collections sound cool, we'll have to check those. New spring was actually intended as the first of three prequals, the second dealing with Tam finding young Rand literally on the slopes of Dragonmount while serving in the war, and the second dealing with how Lan and Mwarane came to the two rivers just before the beginning of Eye of the world. Sad they won't be completed, though by the same token, I'd rather Sanderson didnt' expand the series too far or things around them, I'd much rather have a series with a difinitive ending rather than them just bimble on and on. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/579299/#p579299 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: So i've just finished reading neverwhere and its amazing Hi,@Dark, I love that your lady is so into Wheel of time she has a flame of Tarvalloan pendant and an Aes Sedai ring, that’s awesome. shame you can’t find a green Aja Shawl though, you would think with all the fan merchandise that someone would have thought of making and selling them. Actually, just talking Wheel of time, last month I brought the Unfettered and Unfettered 3, which are a set of short stories by various authors. One of the main reasons for buying the books were that both contain a short story which were deleted scenes from the Wheel of time series. I’ve read the first Unfettered book, the wheel of time deleted scene in that one is about 30 minutes long. , but I’m really looking forward to the wheel of time story in Unfettered 3, as its meant to be about 3 hours long and the better of the two (or so I’ve been told), its set in the ways and is meant to be read by Michael Kramer and Kate reading, which the first one wasn’t which was a shame. looking forward to reading it though and getting just a tiny bit more wheel of time in my life Paul Lemm URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/579132/#p579132 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: So i've just finished reading neverwhere and its amazing @Lem, I'm looking forward to the next book too, and where things go, though I wish we were getting Zeth's backstory, as he's one of the most fascinating characters. I don't mind character power too much so long as the characters remain relatively week in comparison to what they're fighting so that things dont' feel too easy. The one character I am getting mildly irritated with in this respect is Kaladin going all superman, and I strongly dislike the idea that the main characters get their loyal sidekicks who sort of have worse versions of their powers just to follow them around.My lady and I reread all of Stormlight just before Oathbreaker came out, so we're pretty uptodate there. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/579024/#p579024 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: So i've just finished reading neverwhere and its amazing Hi,Sorry for the double post, only just seen the second page of posts @Jayde, like yourself I enjoy reading an audio book before I go to sleep, but also just when I’m doing work around the house too having an audio book can pass the time nicely whilst doing something boring like cleaning the house hahaha. a good reader definitely makes a difference though, I think this may be another reason I like Sanderson, is he has Kate Reading and Michael Kramer read most of his audio books and I think both are great voice actors. I agree with you regarding the storm light and the characters already seeming to be incredibly overpowered already with us only being a quarter of the way through the series, but by the same point I’m also really intrigued to see what Sanderson does with that to balance it out and to make them more fallible against whatever it will be he throws at them. Either way, looking forward to the next book in the series next month.Paul Lemm URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/578895/#p578895 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: So i've just finished reading neverwhere and its amazing Hi,@dark, yes I’ve read the storm light book series and really enjoyed it. I have the fourth book on pre-order ready for when it is released next month. I Actually just downloaded the way of kings Prime, which is meant to be an alternative draft of the original book, but also meant to be quite different too. It was being offered as a reward tear in a recent Kickstarter campaign Brandon Sanderson ran, but do to how quickly the campaign hit its funding goal (I think it reached its funding goal in under 3 minutes hahaha) he decided to give away the Way of kings Prime as a free PDF download to everyone including people which didn’t back the Kickstarter, which is where I got my copy, although I haven’t read it yet so not sure what it will be like. I do like Sanderson’s writing, but I wouldn’t say god like and some of his books definitely aren’t quite as good as others. I think Sanderson does two things really well though, firstly as mentioned yesterday he creates really great magic systems (like in Mistborn, I really like the use of metals and their ‘pull and push’ and think he uses that really well both in and out of battles). the second thing I think he does well is leading you to think you’ve worked out the story or twist, he often leads you to think you have a pretty good handle on the book/world, then throws something up and makes you realise you actually didn’t understand as much of the world as you previously did. I think he often does this in his books, especially in The Mistborn but also in others like Storm light too, as an example in the part you mentioned in your previous post about one of the main characters who’s backstory you find out in the third book, which gives you a totally different outlook on him as a character. I think all authors have good and bad books though, I a while back read Fight club by chuck Palahniuk (not fantasy, but the book the film fight club was based on), I really enjoyed the book, very dark, clever writing style and a nice concept (although I think I prefer the film ending to the book, which is unusual), but I was really looking forward to reading another of his books and although I didn’t hate the next book of his I tried, , it definitely wasn’t as good as fight club, so I think all authors have good and bad books, which is why I would struggle to give a single definitive favourite author. One last thing I will say for Sanderson and authors like Joe Abercrombie is they do put out a lot of books and they put them out quickly, as a fan of Patrick Rothfuss’s ‘The king killer chronicles’ and George Martin ‘s ‘Game of Thrones’, I really really appreciate authors which put out books quickly hahaha. by the way, That’s Awesome that you got your other half a green Aja t-shirt for her birthday, I’m looking forward to the TV series, but also like you dreading what they could potentially do to a personal favourite series of mine.Paul Lemm URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/578893/#p578893 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: So i've just finished reading neverwhere and its amazing
Re: So i've just finished reading neverwhere and its amazing If I have braille available, I prefer it. But, uh, usually I don't, so I'm happy to grab audio. I also read as I go to sleep, it's something I've been doing for well over half my life, and I love doing it. I don't necessarily -need to do it, but I enjoy it. There's also something very comforting in audiobooks, if they're well-narrated or you particularly enjoy certain narrators, as I do. Of course, then there are the duds (Roy Dotrice, I'm looking sadly in your direction...)My only gripe with the Stormlight Archive is that I feel like the characters have "levelled up" a little bit too much, especially for how long the series is going to get. It's wonderfully grim and complex, the characters are mostly very good, and there's tons of culture and good worldbuilding...but yeah, great epic fight of epicness is not my favourite trope, and Sanderson loves it. I don't think Sanderson is god either, but he's pretty good, and most of what I've read from him, I like.Sanderson's Mat in WoT started out bad, but eventually became great. I also absolutely love the way he expanded further on Egwene, Faile, Perrin and Nynaeve in particular. Nynaeve got really one-note through the middle of the series, IMO, and Sanderson helped that. Also, you can tell that the Pevara storyline is almost all Sanderson. Heh. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/578759/#p578759 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: So i've just finished reading neverwhere and its amazing I've chated reading braille since i was a child. I'm 15 now and stil hate reading braille lol. Atleast its not that sluggish as it was when i was 8/9. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/578729/#p578729 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: So i've just finished reading neverwhere and its amazing @Lem my thoughts are the same on audiobooks, while I did read a lot of books in braille at one point, I always tend to prefer audio if possible. Since we recently had This topic, about the wheel of time it's probably not worth repeating everything here. Interestingly enough, I've just bought my lady a Green Aja T shirt for her birthday since she's a total WoT fan girl, we're sort of waiting in dread to see what gets done with the series. Sanderson did finish things off well, there was a slight break in style, though that was to be expected, although some characters like Mat did suffer slightly in Gathering storm before Sanderson got his groove really going, and A memory of light being basically one giant battle felt very Sanderson, though of course by the same token it is the last battle to basically determine the fate of the world so didn't want to be a disappointment.If you haven't read thee Stormlight books Lem, you really should, they're imho Sanderson's best, grim as hell, with a really unique world, and some really clever plotting, indeed the third book does something I would not have expected, and tells the back story of a character from the first book, which makes you think of him in an entirely different light. I won't spoil it, but suffice it to say, it's an incredibly clever bit of plot. I don't tend to think Sanderson is next to god the way some people do, or hale everything he's written as a classic, like any author he has books I thought were better or worse than others, but Stormlight truly is exceptional. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/578720/#p578720 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: So i've just finished reading neverwhere and its amazing @Lem my thoughts are the same on audiobooks, while I did read a lot of books in braille at one point, I always tend to prefer audio if possible. Since we recently had This topic, about the wheel of time it's probably not worth repeating everything here. Interestingly enough, I've just bought my lady a Green Aja T shirt for her birthday since she's a total WoT fan girl, we're sort of waiting in dread to see what gets done with the series. Sanderson did finish things off well, there was a slight break in style, though that was to be expected, although some characters like Mat did suffer slightly in Gathering storm before Sanderson got his groove really going, and A memory of light being basically one giant battle felt very Sanderson, though of course by the same token it is the last battle to basically determine the fate of the world so didn't want to be a disappointment. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/578720/#p578720 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: So i've just finished reading neverwhere and its amazing Hi,@Camlorn, my other half is the same, she enjoys reading braille and can read incredibly fast. For me, losing sight later in life I haven’t had quite as much contact with Braille, I was lucky that work funded equipment such as Jaws, OCR software etc, but it meant there wasn’t a huge need for Brail at work. I learnt Brail though when my little boy was born so I could read children’s stories to him. so although I can read brail I’m not particularly fast, so I tend to get more enjoyment out of audio books. I’ll listen to kindle and with a good screen reader or having them read through Alexa is an option which isn’t too bad, but for me it’s not quite the same as a well voiced audio book. Either way if I can’t find this as an audio book I’ll definitely check it out on kindle and again thanks for the recommendation.Paul Lemm URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/578658/#p578658 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: So i've just finished reading neverwhere and its amazing @22I wouldn't know. I hate audiobooks because I pleasure read at 400 words a minute or so. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/578630/#p578630 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: So i've just finished reading neverwhere and its amazing Hi,@Camlorn, that’s peaked my interest further, I’ve just taken a look for the series on audible and RNIB, I can’t find an audio book version, do you know are the books in audio format? if so I’ll keep looking as I always prefer audio books, but if not I’ll find a kindle version.@Dark, I agree with your thoughts on the Wax and Wayne series , although I like the concept that he would have three separate trilogy’s set in the same world but centries apart in different time periods, the mist born, then one in a more modern setting and then a more sci-fi style trilogy set in the same world and with the same magic system but far into the future. However, the wax and Wayne series just didn’t hold my attention like the original mist born Series. As for Kelsier being the main character for the secret history, that was the bit I was dubious about, however I think in the setting of the world and its mythology it kind of seemed to work ok, but as a general rule of thumb I’m dubious of that kind of stuff in books. Regarding other Sanderson stuff, I’ve only read Arcanum Unbounded, Alantris, the mist born series, Storm light and very recently war breaker. I’m a big wheel of time fan, it was actually Sanderson’s excellent ending to the series which first introduced me to him as an author, I think it’s some of his best writing, although I appreciate you could argue that it wasn’t his work since he was completing Robert Jordon’s books, however he did still have to write them and I think he did a great job, although as a lot of wheel of time fans will say the books get a little lost in the middle of the series , but I think it’s Brandon Sanderson that picks up the pace and adds an excellent finish to the series. Actually it will be interesting to see what they do with the upcoming Wheel of time TV series, since there is a lot of good content in the books but a lot of unnecessary stuff too, so hopefully the series can capture the good whilst removing some of the less important stuff where the books seem to drag a little. Paul Lemm URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/578626/#p578626 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: So i've just finished reading neverwhere and its amazing @Lem, Magic systems are sort of what Sanderson does in general and something he's good at. I will say, while I have enjoyed all of his books I haven't found them all equal. I loved Skyward, but for a revelation about the protagonist that occurred in the book (see my review on fantasybookreview.co.uk for a full discussion). Mistborn was amazing in the first book, dragged a bit in the second and third but came together well, though I was less keen on the Wax and Wane series set later, since while the world was interesting, the characters and over all plot seemed to get going less, plus there were some characters I just plane was less keen on. Also, I personally was less a fan of the secret history's take on Mistborn, since I personally prefer dead characters to stay dead, and am not really into character resurrection unless there is a really good reason.I loved Arcanum unbounded generally as a collection, albeit it was annoying that it was recounted from the pov of Crystlia from white sands which is a graphic novel series and thus inaccessible (thanks Sanderson), though I did recently hear an audio drama of the first white sands book from Graphic audio which explained who she was at least.With Sanderson's other stuff, Warbreaker and the Stormlight archive are truly amazing, Rythmetist was a bit disappointing but fun as far as it went, Elantris was definitely a first novel unfortunately, and I confess while I read the reckoners and they were okay, interesting for the powers but disappointing in characters, , while the Rhythmetist was interesting for the world, but really needs a sequel to make it complete, while I confess I didn't care for the two legion novellas, mostly because the main character is a bit in love with himself and a bit of an arse.Unfortunately, I'm getting to the point where Sanderson's familiar character tropes are a bit obvious, he likes martially compitant underdog male characters with a leader complex, and schollarly females with a habbit of mouthing off at inconvenient times. That's why Skyward was a breath of fresh air, since Spin felt like a new character, and also why the graphic audio white sands was a trifle disappointing, since the protagonists there just felt like a redux of Caladin and Shalon without their interesting backstory or quirks. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/578597/#p578597 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: So i've just finished reading neverwhere and its amazing @19The first Matthew Swift is a very very well done urban fantasy about a sorcerer accidentally fused with what is, essentially, a personified god of telephones (which involves rather a lot more lightning and mass destruction than you'd expect). The second one is him vs. the literal personified death of cities, and that's not even a spoiler. unfortunately they fall in the "I can't describe this well" category, but it's the sort of series where a London underground ticket and a weird perspective on the world can make a ward against monsters, for some idea of the tone. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/578596/#p578596 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: So i've just finished reading neverwhere and its amazing Hi,@ Jayde and Camlorn, thanks for the recommendations. Whilst looking for Neverwhere yesterday I did stumble across American gods, which I downloaded since I’ve heard lots of people talk about that one before. Regarding Matthew Swift, years ago I remember someone recommending this, she said it was one of her favourite books/authors (I think it was a madness of angels, or wolves of something or other), I’d totally forgotten about the recommendation until you mentioned it here, so I’ll definitely check that one out, now you’ve reminded me of it.@Dark, I actually didn’t realise there was a prequel or sequel to the dark magician Trilogy, I’ll definitely check that out. I did read another of her book Series I think called ‘Age of five’ which I didn’t enjoy as much as the dark Magician Trilogy. If you do get round to re-reading the series and reviewing the dark Magician Trilogy I’d be really interested in reading the review.On a final note, since Brandon Sanderson has come up a couple of times, I’ve recently read Arcanum Unbounded, which is a book filled with short stories by Sanderson which connect some of his worlds/book series together. There are a couple of interesting short stories in there with female protagonists. in the first short story of the book I liked the main female character but also enjoyed the magic systems he uses (in fact I think good magic systems is something he does really well as an author). One of the short Stories in the book is ‘Mistborn: The secret history’, as a mist born fan I really enjoyed this, you see the mist born trilogy play out again but from a different angle /perspective and its clever how some of the stuff which happens in this story directly affects what happens in the actual trilogy, in fact I had to read mist born again after reading this to see how it all tied together with the extra knowledge the secret history gave, it also has Kelsier as the main character of the book, which I enjoyed since I really liked his character in the series. When I read a brief description of what the Misborn secret history was about I was a little dubious around the concept/idea, but in fact I think Brandon Sanderson does a great job of it and for fans of the mist born series and Vin it’s a really interesting read, clever how he must have had this book planned whilst making the original trilogy, in the words of Kelsier ‘There’s always another secret’!. A word of warning though, the secret history contains a lot of spoilers for mist born, so it’s definitely not recommended before reading the original Mistborn Trilogy, there are also some spoilers for the sequel wax and Wane series set in the same world.Paul Lemm URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/578591/#p578591 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: So i've just finished reading neverwhere and its amazing @Lem, with Canavan, the books did get better as they went on, in style and in terms of general plot progression, though I'm afraid Sonea's over all lack of motivation and calcuation sort of irritated me throughout the trilogy. I have had it in mind to reread and review them though, particularly since there is a sequel series about Sonea's son which delves more into the blood magic aspects of the series, as well as a prequal. Plus of course, since when I read them in 2012, I was recovering from a badly sprained and almost broken arm and pretty much just on my back reading for a week, it's possible my view of them was a bit prejudiced . I wouldn't say Pratchett and Gaiman are particularly similar writers, though good omens is worth a read. With Gaiman I've enjoyed most of his adult books, though his norse mythology title odd and the frost giants was disappointing. American Gods, stardust, coroline and Ocean at the end of the lane are all all sorts of fantastic, as are his short story collections, which often contain stories that tie back to his adult fiction. I was less fond of Anancy boys, which is sort of the companion to American Gods, since there the comedy made the plot a bit thin I thought, though it did have some fun moments all the same.@Camlorn, with Mievel I've only read Embasy town, Realsea and the Vaslag trilogy so far. Actually if we're talking unique books with female Protagonists, Embasy town would definitely qualify imho . I'll have to give unlundun a try.The Night circus was interesting. The style was gorgious the poetry perfect, the romance stylised, and yet the plot just didn't seem to work out. We kept being promised something dark was going to happen, and there would be consequences to the magic, and there just never were, it's odd, I don't think I've ever quite read a book like The Night Circus which was both as amazingly and beautifully written, and so down right badly plotted at the same time, and yet the writing, and style almost entirely makes up for the errors in plot. I wrote a formal review which you can find on the above link to my profile. @stasp, I've read the odd children's book if it's interesting enough, indeed I'm quite a fan of pretty much anything written by Dianna Wynne Jones, indeed my lady and I are reading one of hers at the moment. Think sort of dark surrealist comedy with magic elements, although the one we're reading is probably the only one of two adult fantasy books she ever wrote, that is books with adult protagonists and sex in, though other than that pretty much the same as her books aimed at kids or young adults in terms of magic, weird humour, characters who are both delightfully self centred and strangely likable, and usually a lack of anything too dark, although she does have her moments on occasion just to give things some intrest. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/578562/#p578562 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: So i've just finished reading neverwhere and its amazing So i went a bit in to HP wibes again, and started reading magisterium. Seems nice so far, all be it i dont thing adults would enjoy it very much because of the simple fact its written more for children. I'm enjoying it so far though. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/578433/#p578433 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: So i've just finished reading neverwhere and its amazing American Gods was great, but you're right, it does lag in places.Night Circus is on my list of books to read one day. I hear it's chaotic, messy and beautiful all at once. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/578343/#p578343 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: So i've just finished reading neverwhere and its amazing If we want to talk about Mieville, and you want a sort of Neverwhere vibe, Kraken is also a good one. For some definition of good. I enjoy it if I'm in the right mood.For a "cities are weird and we all just don't notice" sort of thing: I will recommend Matthew Swift by kate Griffin for any reason whatsoever, but it actually fits here. It's very much higher power/action/whatever, and the main character is certainly not lost in another world, but it's got a lot of the poetic/dream vibe and is, honestly, not at all what the description of it would have you believe.My favorite Gaiman is Ocean at the End of the Lane, but if you've only just found him and you haven't done a lot of urban fantasy/horror stuff, American Gods is well-known for a reason. But the middle is a slog, and he definitely hit his stride as an author later.Going further afield, The Night Circus by Morgenstern is very Gaiman-esk. But long, slow to start, and--for lack of a better way to put it--much, much more adult than anything gaiman has ever written. Not as in "they all have sex" or anything like that, it's kind of hard to put it into words what I mean when I say adult here. In Neverwhere Richard goes off and has a "adventure" if you will, in the way that a YA protagonist would, just grown up; and for most of Gaiman's work, that's what happens. But Night Circus is more they have lives and those lives happen to have adventure in them. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/578339/#p578339 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: So i've just finished reading neverwhere and its amazing Another good our-world-but-bent sort of book is Un Lun Dun by China Mieville. It's a bit more young-adult, but still pretty dark in places. It actually reminds me of Neverwhere quite a bit, albeit with less horror and slightly more fantasy. There's a ton of difference though, so don't let similarity make you think both books are just copies of one another. They're very definitely not.Dark, thanks for the heads-up about that Sanderson book. That's one I've got to look up eventually, because I generally like Sanderson quite a lot. I found Vin from the Mistborn series a very good protagonist as well, admittedly. He does female characters pretty well on the whole, I'd say. Characterization is something Sanderson does well. I've seen it done better, but he's near the top of the pack for me, and it's rare that he writes a dud of a character. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/578331/#p578331 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: So i've just finished reading neverwhere and its amazing 10 I was talking about the second choice. I was thinking that he would go for the first choice seeing how bad he wanted it, and how well it would have had tied things up in a ok way. His last choice to go back under was pretty good though. Him opening the door to do so was interesting. It happening in his head would be a good way to play with your mind wouldn't it? To me, him talking to his friend before he went and made his last choice is basicly where I got that idea from, but that may just be on how it appeared... URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/578309/#p578309 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: So i've just finished reading neverwhere and its amazing Hi,I Didn’t realise neverwhere was by Neil Gaiman, I haven’t read any of his stuff before but have heard good things about his writing. I’m a big Terry Pratchett fan and I’ve been told the two authors have some similarities in writing, I enjoyed the Good Omens tv adaptation from last year which I believe the book was a Pratchett and Gaiman joint work. I’ve been meaning to check out Neil Gaiman for a while , so since Neverwhere seems to be well recommended I’ve added it to my Audible listens, once I’ve finished my current book I’ll be looking forward to checking it out.@Dark, that’s a shame you didn’t enjoy the first two books in the Dark Magician trilogy, I enjoyed the series and binge read the whole thing pretty quickly. I tend to not reread books, or not at least for a long while, with all this talk of the series I’ll maybe give it a reread at some stage and see how well it stands up on that second read through. I actually have Skyward in my Audible reading list already, but just haven’t gotten round to it yet, but I do like Sanderson so I’ll be looking forward to checking it out when I get some time. The other book you recommended sounds interesting to, I’ll check out your link/review. Thanks for the recommendations as ever.Paul Lemm URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/578277/#p578277 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: So i've just finished reading neverwhere and its amazing Glad your liking the miniseries, as I said, to me it's an old friend. The radio play had some nice bits, but in general I just prefer the way the miniseries did things, EG the angel sounding far more nice, and Vandamar being scottish. @lemm, I'm afraid I wasn't as crazy on Trudy Canavan's black magician trilogy myself. The style I felt cumbersome, and Sonea as a protagonist I found frustrating much of the time, since mostly she just sat and calculated and waited for other people to act before her, while she wayed up whether she liked them or not, it made her quite a cold and calculating character rather than the tough, scrappy street kid I think Canavan intended. I also I really didn't like where she ended up romantically, although the series in general did get better as it went on, and the third book was mostly all sorts of awesome, indeed I've had a mind to reread the series plus the sequel trilogy just on the strength of the third book even if it means wading through the other two. If you want a book with an amazingly awesome female protagonist I'd recommend skyward by brandon sanderson. It's a scifi novel about a planet under constant invasions, the main character is a girl who wants to be a pilot, but is fighting against the fact that her father was a coward who allowed a major defeat to happen.It's first in a trilogy, and my lady and I will be going on to the second two as soon as Sanderson bringgs out the third book next year. I can also recommend, if you like weird fantasy dealing with our own world and a hidden world, the library at mount char by Scott Hawkins, one of the best books by a new writer I've read for a while. It's about a woman called Caralyn who basically is a librarian at a library outside reality run by a godlike, and very cruel entity. More than that I can't really say, since the book is really hard to classify as either fantasy, horror, apocalypse or something else. Find my reviews for both of these books here on fantasybookreview.co.uk, along with all the other book reviews I've written, including one for Niel Gayman's Stardust. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/578250/#p578250 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: So i've just finished reading neverwhere and its amazing @3 What choice are you exactly talking about. Richard returning to London above or going back to London below? If you're talking about the first one, didn't like that choice either.As for the thought about that happening in Richards hed, DO NOT DARE TO MAKE ME DEPRESSED EVEN MORE roflrofl. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/578248/#p578248 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: So i've just finished reading neverwhere and its amazing
Re: So i've just finished reading neverwhere and its amazing @3 What choice are you exactly talking aout. Richard returning to London above or going back to London below? If you're talking about the first one, didn't like that choice either.As for the thought about that happening in Richards hed, DO NOT DARE TO MAKE ME DEPRESSED EVEN MORE roflrofl. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/578248/#p578248 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: So i've just finished reading neverwhere and its amazing Yeah. I've already watched the first two episodes. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/578228/#p578228 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: So i've just finished reading neverwhere and its amazing Agreed good book. You should check out the BBC version well done! URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/578210/#p578210 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: So i've just finished reading neverwhere and its amazing Hi,If you enjoy books with a female protagonist and are looking for new books, I’d recommend the dark Magician Trilogy by Trudi Canavan, The Magicians Guild I believe is the first book in the series. you mentioned you enjoyed the harry potter series, although these books are different they do share similarities such as the main female protagonist discovering she possesses magical powers she doesn’t know about. there are other similarities too, but I don’t want to spoil the books, personally I really enjoyed the series. Thanks for the recommendation of neverwhere, I’m always on the look out for new books so I’ll check this one out.Paul Lemm URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/578074/#p578074 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: So i've just finished reading neverwhere and its amazing Yeah, i cant wait for that sequel. The entry on bookshare says that the expected release is in 2021, and i hope thats either that or sooner. If its going to be delayed i'm going to be sad. I also want to watch the mini series, i thing i'm going to do that today. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/578057/#p578057 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: So i've just finished reading neverwhere and its amazing Neverwhere is a personal favourite of mine. I first was introduced to it when the 1996 miniseries aired in the UK< an adaptation which is still a favourite , actually while the 2013 radio play wasn't bad, imho the miniseries worked rather better, mostly because much of the book was written at the same time that Gaiman wrote the series, so a lot of the moments, actors and reactions worked the same way. it actually is sort of a half way house between novelisation, and adaptation.Myself, I actually liked the way Richard developed as a character, starting out as a typical corporate cog, dominated by his beautiful, but very bitchy girlfriend, and then after actually doing the unthinkable and offering help to a homeless person in trouble, he winds up involved with something he just is totally unprepared for, then rises to a lot of challenges (what he goes through to get the key is pretty horrible), and finally goes home, only to realise that going home was just not what he wanted.Personally the hole thing with Anaesthesia worked for me, since it just shows how dam harsh this world that Richard has stumbled into really is. The point when the Marquis says to Richard "If you make it through the first day, you might survive as long as a month," is actually almost a true representation of just how dangerous the world of London below is, for people who don't really know the rules or where to go.It's really a perfect hero story, there's not much else to say, oh, and I never think of the gap under underground trains quite the same way again . My favourite character is probably the Marquis decarabas, who is just so dam awesome, and also has a totally unexpected plot, but quite honestly, there is little to think of that is negative about neverwhere, and no characters I thought were superfluous. obviously, there is a lot unanswered, what the debt was the Marquis Owed door's family, Whether Door's sister is actually alive or not, who croop and vandamar really are etc, but that's just the mark of a good fantasy, it's a complex dark world and we always get there is more under the surface. Btw, there is a story which serves as a coda of sorts. "how the marquis got his coat back", which shows a bit more of London below including the Elephant of Elephant and castle, and the shepherds of shepherds bush. Door and Richard make brief appearences, but it's mainly a Marquis story, which is why it featured in the collection Rogues, edited by George R R Martin, though I believe it's also available as a single story edition as well. Gaiman has said a novel length sequel entitled the seven sisters is planned, and apparently he's even writing it, which would be all sorts of awesome! URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/578013/#p578013 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: So i've just finished reading neverwhere and its amazing
Re: So i've just finished reading neverwhere and its amazing Croop and Wandemar are good murderers, but they didn't even creep me out that much. They were just tipical stupit antagonists. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/578008/#p578008 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: So i've just finished reading neverwhere and its amazing
Re: So i've just finished reading neverwhere and its amazing As a bit of a warning, this post might just include a few spoilers.As for me, Richard just seemed like a tag along weakling for the first part of the book. Came off as someone who had no idea what trouble he was getting into, nor how to deal with it. I say that the term lost would be the correct term for him at the beginning. Now Mr. Croup and Mr. Vandemar was creepy. It took me a bit to realize who their employer was. Let’s just say that when this being goes bad, they go real bad and might not be the brightest to let Door have the upper hand. Oops, did I give a few spoilers there? Now, the trader is not exactly who one may think, but when it becomes clear who they are, it is like a stab in the back. What I was not expecting was what happened to Richard. Let’s just say that I was not expecting the choice that he made at the end. If you enjoyed the book and looking for a bit more entertaining, here is a nasty thought. How much, if any, of this book took place in Richard’s head? I know that there was the key scene where he had to meet up with the monks and the scene at the end where he meets up with his office mates, and his friends at the bar. Here is a spoiler. People thought he took a vacation, or went crazy for a time per say. As for Door, she just really came off as someone that just was used to get things moving in the right direction or that is how it seemed at times. Beyond that, there just is not much there when it comes to Door as far as I can tell. Found it interesting that just a hint to what happened to Atlantice was given in just one scene in the book without anyone asking to many questions. Quick spoiler, Anasthasia is the one that was takened by the night right? Poor girl indeed, but she might not be dead. The key word there is might, and @stasp I can see why you would like Door. From my view, that is one character that can be filled out a bit more. She is likeable though. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/577934/#p577934 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: So i've just finished reading neverwhere and its amazing
Re: So i've just finished reading neverwhere and its amazing I had great fun with this book. I was especially creeped out by Mr. Croup and Mr. Vandemar.I didn't get much out of Door, honestly, and the same holds true for Richard. But I loved the way that the other London, the one beneath, is so decidedly creepy and alien without being completely different. There's just enough to make things unsettling.Gaiman does unsettling really, really well, in my opinion, so he plays to his strengths here. There's a reason why he's big on dark fantasy; it fits him. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/577855/#p577855 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
