[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3+DAC vs Transporter
tomjtx;155526 Wrote: 95bcwh;155500 Wrote: Tomjtx, What kind of modded SB2 are you getting from Wayne? Does it have gold bybee in it? I believe it's Wayne's own SB2. I don't know if it's got bybee but I will check on all of that. I am looking forward to hearing it. Tom Tom, do you have the modded SB3 yet? If so, do you have some initial impressions? Raja -- rajacat rajacat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4156 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29124 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3+DAC vs Transporter
rajacat;157669 Wrote: tomjtx;155526 Wrote: Tom, do you have the modded SB3 yet? If so, do you have some initial impressions? Raja Raj, Give me a bit more time, I don't want to post so quickly. 1st impressions are good however. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29124 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3+DAC vs Transporter
I realise that this is the 'audiophiles' private forum inhabited by dealers, modders, latest gizmo geeks and assorted folks with hearing obviously as sharp as their acerbic wit. Seriously though, a lot of very very fine comments, (or was it hair splitting?)but of devices clearly at the 'top end' of the 'transport/DAC' food chain. For some folks, knowing that you're somewhere 'up there' on this food chain is sufficient. Going back to a posting by High Dudgeon: The Transporter is certainly a luxury item in a few ways. Instead of several boxes, you have one box. Instead of a voided warranty, you have a valid warranty. Aesthetically, it is very nice, and that is worth quite a bit to some people. My wife thought that the SB3 and Lavry looked geeky and out of place in our living room. She was right. She thinks the Transporter looks elegant and cool (her words). She is right. I have to agree. So too would my wife. I still remain kinda 'geeky' when it comes to putting together computers, but a long time back I stopped using the soldering iron on the Hi Fi stuff. (although I have to admit to a little quickening of the heart when I check out the 'back of panel' wiring. Included in the will will have to be the wiring instructions). I got the TP about 2 weeks ago. Hand carried by my wife from the US to China. An act of faith I suppose, since it's not so easy to return from here. But so far, I've been just delighted. Elegant and cool. Absolutely. Wife appeal counts too you know. Sounds great, AND it plays the Beeb here in Beijing. Thanks for the fascinating posts! Dan -- chinablues chinablues's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7955 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29124 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3+DAC vs Transporter
Tomjtx, What kind of modded SB2 are you getting from Wayne? Does it have gold bybee in it? As Greg mentioned, it's all about system synergy, price has nothing to do with musicality, even though I owned close to $18k worth of gears, on certain recordings, I find much more enjoyment when played through a bose. Rgds barry tomjtx;155388 Wrote: Glad this thread is revived. I will be getting a Bolder modded SB2 with Ultimate PS early next week to compare to the TP. My recording engineer ( RE) friend will come over to listen as well as a high end dealer friend (HED) (audio, not drugs) Both have great ears and good taste(can't beat that). I'll post my impressions. The RE wants to ABX. OK, I'll let him do a little of that, but it's SO boring. The HED will only come if I buy really good wine( donations accepted:-) I'll post those results as well as my daily listening impressions. But give me a week. -- 95bcwh 95bcwh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4358 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29124 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3+DAC vs Transporter
95bcwh;155500 Wrote: Tomjtx, What kind of modded SB2 are you getting from Wayne? Does it have gold bybee in it? I believe it's Wayne's own SB2. I don't know if it's got bybee but I will check on all of that. I am looking forward to hearing it. Tom -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29124 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3+DAC vs Transporter
highdudgeon;150502 Wrote: Seriously, I just gotta know -- where in the English-speaking world did you come up with that term? Or is it a nasty, pejorative coinage of your own? I just caught up with this thread and saw the remarkable query above (referring to rajacat's use of the hard-to-escape word 'fanboy'). Is this some sort of deadpan humor too sophisticated for me to get? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fanboy ... The earliest published uses of the word fanboy have been dated to 1982... -- jbm0 jbm0's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3949 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29124 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3+DAC vs Transporter
Glad this thread is revived. I will be getting a Bolder modded SB2 with Ultimate PS early next week to compare to the TP. My recording engineer ( RE) friend will come over to listen as well as a high end dealer friend (HED) (audio, not drugs) Both have great ears and good taste(can't beat that). I'll post my impressions. The RE wants to ABX. OK, I'll let him do a little of that, but it's SO boring. The HED will only come if I buy really good wine( donations accepted:-) I'll post those results as well as my daily listening impressions. But give me a week. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29124 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3+DAC vs Transporter
tomjtx;150596 Wrote: Greg, did you try plugging the SB wall wart into a power conditioner? This made a significant difference in SQ. Next get a Bolder modded Elpac. There are only a few elpacs left and Bolder is raising it's mod price from 85.00 to 100.00 on Nov.1. You can order the mod before you buy the elpac. When you buy the elpac have them ship it directly to Bolder to save shipping costs. Thanks for the suggestions. No, I haven't tried anything with the SB3 yet. Being a bit of a DIYer, I am planning to build my own PSU, just in the research and planning stage at the moment. I have been followng the Bolder/RWA/Sqeezebox PSU threads on all the forums I can find. A power conditioner is probably worth looking at for my hifi in general, not just for the SB3. regards -- Greg Erskine Greg Erskine's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7403 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29124 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3+DAC vs Transporter
tomjtx;150583 Wrote: If Wayne will offer me a 30 day trial of his modded SB and Ultimate PS I will jump on the offer. I would also like a trial of his modded TP. I promise I will buy what sounds best to me. You can run my credit card and charge what I don't return. FYI, we're happy to do that with the SB+. -- Patrick Dixon www.at-tunes.co.uk Patrick Dixon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=90 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29124 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3+DAC vs Transporter
Patrick Dixon;150610 Wrote: FYI, we're happy to do that with the SB+. Wouldn't there be high shipping and duty from UK to US? Hmmm, I have 2 friends coming for a concert here, a British duo, perhaps they coud bring it. I will PM you if it could work -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29124 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3+DAC vs Transporter
Hi Coffee, I think you need to factor in a PSU upgrade into your SB3+DAC equation. Also, the superior remote, second display screen and greater input and output options give the Transporter greater flexibility. BTW: Has anyone tried SB3 digital out into Transporter DAC? regards -- Greg Erskine Greg Erskine's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7403 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29124 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3+DAC vs Transporter
Greg Erskine;150375 Wrote: BTW: Has anyone tried SB3 digital out into Transporter DAC? regards That seems kind of incestuous, no? lol! -- PhilNYC Sonic Spirits Inc. http://www.sonicspirits.com PhilNYC's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=837 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29124 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3+DAC vs Transporter
Greg Erskine;150375 Wrote: Hi Coffee, I think you need to factor in a PSU upgrade into your SB3+DAC equation. good point. The modde elpac will be about 150.00 after wayn's nov. price increase. SB/DAC/Epac 1450.00 -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29124 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3+DAC vs Transporter
Highdudgeon... in fairness to everybody here, you should provide a disclaimer that you are an authorized Transporter reseller. -- sleepysurf squeezebox2 (with elpac linear psu) benchmark dac1 modwright swl 9.0 pre sunfire cinema grand ml summits. blue jeans cables. sleepysurf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29124 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3+DAC vs Transporter
I don't think you quite got what I said: 1 Transporter - $1,700 with the offer; one SB3+DAC AND one SB3 are $1,600, so the difference is $100. Chuck in the rounded out price of the Transporter and, yes, you're at $400. Frankly, if you have the budget, it's a no-brainer. Don't stress out trying difference components, etc., or you'll drive yourself crazy and spend a lot more money. The Transporter has an excellent rep, it looks cool, and it is a good value. Coffee;150367 Wrote: Thanks for the in-depth reply, HighDudgeon, especially your comparison tests. I will certainly do some research on the Lavry and Benchmark. The cost figures are not quite right, though. For $2000 and the special offer, I can get a Transporter and an SB3. So I get 2 systems, one excellent and one decent. Or I can get an SB3+DAC combo costing $1300, plus another SB3 costing $300. Again 2 systems. The total for that is $1600, as you said. But the difference is $400, not $100. Of course, if I dither some more the Transporter special will be over and I'll be looking at a $700 difference! -- highdudgeon Relax. It's about the music. highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29124 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3+DAC vs Transporter
Yes, I am, but I am also an honest Audiophile. So is PhilNYC. I can also sell Lavry products. You'll notice that I am somewhat blatantly saying that I prefer the TP to the Lavry. Don't bother with my posts, then, as I said -- read others. The TP is extremely well received. The other poster has a point: with a SB3/DAC combo, you're also into it for a nicer PSU and a cable. But, it all depends on what you can afford, right? If you can afford a Transporter, then great; if not, you can get awfully close with an SB3 and a Lavry or Benchmark. I am not a Benchmark dealer. I would not, however, begin to compare something from Musical Fidelity to the Benchmark or Lavry, both of which are at the cutting edge. sleepysurf;150410 Wrote: Highdudgeon... in fairness to everybody here, you should provide a disclaimer that you are an authorized Transporter reseller. -- highdudgeon Relax. It's about the music. highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29124 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3+DAC vs Transporter
highdudgeon;150430 Wrote: Yes, I am, but I am also an honest Audiophile. So is PhilNYC. I can also sell Lavry products. You'll notice that I am somewhat blatantly saying that I prefer the TP to the Lavry. Don't bother with my posts, then, as I said -- read others. The TP is extremely well received. The other poster has a point: with a SB3/DAC combo, you're also into it for a nicer PSU and a cable. Agree again. I think you will be very pleased with a TP purchase. It is a noticable improvement over the SB+Lavry. Also you get an SB for a second system. To get this with the SB Lavry you would have to buy a second SB: TP with SB= 2,000.00 2 SB's 600.00 Lavry 975.00 Modded elpac 145.00 (you will sacrifice a lot in sound quality w/o this) cheap digital cable 35.00 total 1755.00 and still it's not as good as a TP so it's only 245.00 more for the transporter. For me, that's a no brainer -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29124 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3+DAC vs Transporter
AND the TP is sexy! Actually, it really is. No lies. My wife, for the first time since the day she freaked out over my pair of McIntosh MC-501s (they're beautiful! They cost how much?!!!), looked at the Transporter in action and said that it was really elegant. It is. She thinks the SB3 and Lavry (which are sitting next to it) looks like an audio geek set up. Which, of course, it is. ; ) tomjtx;150432 Wrote: Agree again. I think you will be very pleased with a TP purchase. It is a noticable improvement over the SB+Lavry. Also you get an SB for a second system. To get this with the SB Lavry you would have to buy a second SB: TP with SB= 2,000.00 2 SB's 600.00 Lavry 975.00 Modded elpac 145.00 (you will sacrifice a lot in sound quality w/o this) cheap digital cable 35.00 total 1755.00 and still it's not as good as a TP so it's only 245.00 more for the transporter. For me, that's a no brainer -- highdudgeon Relax. It's about the music. highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29124 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3+DAC vs Transporter
highdudgeon;150440 Wrote: AND the TP is sexy! AShe thinks the SB3 and Lavry (which are sitting next to it) looks like an audio geek set up. Which, of course, it is. ; ) The Transporter transforms you from geek to geek chic. -- ezkcdude DIY projects page: http://www.ezdiyaudio.com System: SB3-EZDAC-MIT Terminator 2 interconnects-Endler Audio 24-step Attenuators (RCA-direct)-Parasound Halo A23 125W/ch amplifier-Speltz anti-cables-DIY 2-ways + Dayton Titanic 10 subwoofer He's not hi-fi, he's my stereo. ezkcdude's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2545 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29124 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3+DAC vs Transporter
highdudgeon;150440 Wrote: AND the TP is sexy! Actually, it really is. No lies. My wife, for the first time since the day she freaked out over my pair of McIntosh MC-501s (they're beautiful! They cost how much?!!!), looked at the Transporter in action and said that it was really elegant. It is. She thinks the SB3 and Lavry (which are sitting next to it) looks like an audio geek set up. Which, of course, it is. ; ) Jeff Rowland just got a Transporter after hearing one in his home system. He likes the visual design too. Pretty good recommendation, I'd say. The TP look fits very well with my Rowland. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29124 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3+DAC vs Transporter
Jeff Rowland knows a thing or two about audio, too. For giggles, I just ran Phil's request experiment -- informally and with children in the house. Basically, I listened to the Transporter, and then switched to Transporter into Lavry (nice that they are on the same shelf). The not surprising conclusion: the TP into the Lavry sounds, well, like the Lavry. The TP sounds like the TP and it has an edge in imaging and precision. To be honest, I expected it to be the other way around. And, by way of further disclaimer, I would be happy with the TP even if the Lavry were a smidge better. Why? Because I value the one-box solution and remote control. The fact that I like the TP better is icing on the cake of a decision I had already made. tomjtx;150458 Wrote: Jeff Rowland just got a Transporter after hearing one in his home system. He likes the visual design too. Pretty good recommendation, I'd say. The TP look fits very well with my Rowland. -- highdudgeon Relax. It's about the music. highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29124 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3+DAC vs Transporter
highdudgeon;150462 Wrote: Jeff Rowland knows a thing or two about audio, too. For giggles, I just ran Phil's request experiment -- informally and with children in the house. Basically, I listened to the Transporter, and then switched to Transporter into Lavry (nice that they are on the same shelf). The not surprising conclusion: the TP into the Lavry sounds, well, like the Lavry. The TP sounds like the TP and it has an edge in imaging and precision. My results exactly. You can't go wrong with a TP purchase. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29124 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3+DAC vs Transporter
highdudgeon;150430 Wrote: Yes, I am, but I am also an honest Audiophile. So is PhilNYC. I can also sell Lavry products. You'll notice that I am somewhat blatantly saying that I prefer the TP to the Lavry. Don't bother with my posts, then, as I said -- read others. The TP is extremely well received. The other poster has a point: with a SB3/DAC combo, you're also into it for a nicer PSU and a cable. But, it all depends on what you can afford, right? If you can afford a Transporter, then great; if not, you can get awfully close with an SB3 and a Lavry or Benchmark. I am not a Benchmark dealer. I would not, however, begin to compare something from Musical Fidelity to the Benchmark or Lavry, both of which are at the cutting edge. Well, I always thought that you were a Squeezebox fanboy so now I see that you have had hidden motives. You really need to include a disclosure statement in all your posts. No wonder you constantly diss the modding community. You must be a Lavry dealer too! Sorta like insider posting on stock forums without disclosing your financial interests. -- rajacat rajacat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4156 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29124 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3+DAC vs Transporter
rajacat;150469 Wrote: Well, I always thought that you were a Squeezebox fanboy so now I see that you have had hidden motives. You really need to include a disclosure statement in all your posts. No wonder you constantly diss the modding community. You must be a Lavry dealer too! Sorta like insider posting on stock forums without disclosing your financial interests. I'm sorry, I don't follow your logic. Why would a SD dealer have a motive to diss the modding comunity. The modders help sell the SB and the TP. eg.' I can buy an Sb and mod it cheaply to be as good as a 5,000 CDP' Pretty good PR for the SB , IMHO. or I can make the TP even better with the mods! Again, another selling point for the TP. So a SD dealer actually has a financial incentive to suport the moding community not the opposite. HD's skepticism about mods actually speaks to his honesty, not the reverse. I have gotten to know HD in private posts and find him to be a straightforward and honest person. I don't always agree with his opinions ,but I do respect them -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29124 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3+DAC vs Transporter
Oh yeh, I forgot to say I am not a dealer. I do sell some hi-end classical guitars but they are not made by SD :-) -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29124 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3+DAC vs Transporter
If Mr. highdungeon is so honest why doesn't he disclose his connection to Slim Devices? -- rajacat rajacat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4156 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29124 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3+DAC vs Transporter
You will notice that I did disclose my connection. For the record, too, I have been a dealer for less than two weeks. My comments about mods, etc., were from well before I even thought about becoming a dealer. But that's beside the point. You've enjoyed trolling me, and others, on several threads, so this is expected. And, again, don't take my word for it -- read Ben Diss's report. Ben is not a dealer. Finally, fanboy is, well, a bit of a silly, grade school insult. It speaks to your own immaturity. I recommend refraining from flaming people like this. rajacat;150475 Wrote: If Mr. highdungeon is so honest why doesn't he disclose his connection to Slim Devices? -- highdudgeon Relax. It's about the music. highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29124 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3+DAC vs Transporter
Also, I believe in some mods, I have a modded Bolder Elpac and I was considering modding my SB as well before I bought the TP. I considered the SB mod because I was so impressed by the modded Elpac. I respect what wayne does but I am not convinced by everything he does( I don't hear what the Bybee is supposed to do) I am closely watching Wayne's (Bolder) mods of his TP and would love to hear one once he figures it all out. OTH , I am so impressed by the TP that I wonder if I would ever think I needed to mod it. I would definitely have to do an AB to decide. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29124 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3+DAC vs Transporter
What is he thinking of doing with the SB? I, too, don't have anything intrinsically against modding. I've owned plenty of modded stuff, including a wonderful CDP from Modwright (local guy, at that). That's not the issue. The issue for me has always been that some people can be a bit gullible and spend lots of money without really understanding what is going on. The nicer PSU is a good idea. The $700 version is, well, for someone who has $700 burning a hole in their pocket. Everything within reason, eh? As for the Transporter, I was so impressed by the SB3 from the beginning, and then further impressed by the SB3 with some cutting edge DACs, that I decided to pursue a relationship with the company. I believe in the smart, open-source develop SD uses and the fine products they produce. If these things were not facts, Logitech would not have spent a considerable amount of money in buying a small company. Again, don't take my word for it -- listen to what others, like Ben and Tom, have to say about the Transporter. I think it is a great sounding and cool looking product. However, if a person is not a fanboy (whatever that is...I'm assuming a poor translation of some kind, as it is not something I have ever heard in English), than why even haunt this forum? But that's another question. Do whatever you like; be happy; relax, it's about the music. tomjtx;150480 Wrote: Also, I believe in some mods, I have a modded Bolder Elpac and I was considering modding my SB as well before I bought the TP. I considered the SB mod because I was so impressed by the modded Elpac. I respect what wayne does but I am not convinced by everything he does( I don't hear what the Bybee is supposed to do) I am closely watching Wayne's (Bolder) mods of his TP and would love to hear one once he figures it all out. OTH , I am so impressed by the TP that I wonder if I would ever think I needed to mod it. I would definitely have to do an AB to decide. -- highdudgeon Relax. It's about the music. highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29124 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3+DAC vs Transporter
highdudgeon;150485 Wrote: What is he thinking of doing with the SB? I, too, don't have anything intrinsically against modding. I've owned plenty of modded stuff, including a wonderful CDP from Modwright (local guy, at that). That's not the issue. The issue for me has always been that some people can be a bit gullible and spend lots of money without really understanding what is going on. The nicer PSU is a good idea. The $700 version is, well, for someone who has $700 burning a hole in their pocket. Everything within reason, eh? As for the Transporter, I was so impressed by the SB3 from the beginning, and then further impressed by the SB3 with some cutting edge DACs, that I decided to pursue a relationship with the company. I believe in the smart, open-source develop SD uses and the fine products they produce. If these things were not facts, Logitech would not have spent a considerable amount of money in buying a small company. Again, don't take my word for it -- listen to what others, like Ben and Tom, have to say about the Transporter. I think it is a great sounding and cool looking product. However, if a person is not a fanboy (whatever that is...I'm assuming a poor translation of some kind, as it is not something I have ever heard in English), than why even haunt this forum? But that's another question. Do whatever you like; be happy; relax, it's about the music. well said. Rajacat seems to have some kind of issue with anyone who disagrees with him. What's wrong with being a fanboy? I assume this a fan of SD products, well, I am a fan because they make a great product. Rajacat, do you own a SB? If you do, doesn't this make you a fanboy? If you don't why are you here? -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29124 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3+DAC vs Transporter
highdudgeon;150485 Wrote: What is he thinking of doing with the SB? I, too, don't have anything intrinsically against modding. I've owned plenty of modded stuff, including a wonderful CDP from Modwright (local guy, at that). That's not the issue. The issue for me has always been that some people can be a bit gullible and spend lots of money without really understanding what is going on. The nicer PSU is a good idea. The $700 version is, well, for someone who has $700 burning a hole in their pocket. Everything within reason, eh? As for the Transporter, I was so impressed by the SB3 from the beginning, and then further impressed by the SB3 with some cutting edge DACs, that I decided to pursue a relationship with the company. I believe in the smart, open-source develop SD uses and the fine products they produce. If these things were not facts, Logitech would not have spent a considerable amount of money in buying a small company. Again, don't take my word for it -- listen to what others, like Ben and Tom, have to say about the Transporter. I think it is a great sounding and cool looking product. However, if a person is not a fanboy (whatever that is...I'm assuming a poor translation of some kind, as it is not something I have ever heard in English), than why even haunt this forum? But that's another question. Do whatever you like; be happy; relax, it's about the music. If you check out various forums in the audiophile community, especially ones dealing with a particular manufacturer, there usually is a small group of regular posters that will brook no criticism of their precious speaker, amp. or whatever. Sometimes it makes you doubt their objectivity or perhaps they are just in a state of infatuation. Thus such terms as fanboy or groupie seem warranted. It is just a shorthanded way of describing this phenomena. Raja -- rajacat rajacat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4156 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29124 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3+DAC vs Transporter
I have owned a SB3 for at least 6 months and have recently signed up for Bolder's digital mod. I think that the stock SB is a great product but with some room for improvement thus my interest in modifications. Raja -- rajacat rajacat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4156 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29124 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3+DAC vs Transporter
So, you're a Squeeze Box and Bolder fanboy. Neat. Seriously, I just gotta know -- where in the English-speaking world did you come up with that term? Or is it a nasty, pejorative coinage of your own? rajacat;150492 Wrote: I have owned a SB3 for at least 6 months and have recently signed up for Bolder's digital mod. I think that the stock SB is a great product but with some room for improvement thus my interest in modifications. Raja -- highdudgeon Relax. It's about the music. highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29124 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3+DAC vs Transporter
highdudgeon;150502 Wrote: So, you're a Squeeze Box and Bolder fanboy. Neat. Seriously, I just gotta know -- where in the English-speaking world did you come up with that term? Or is it a nasty, pejorative coinage of your own? I'm quite fine with criticisms. I've had criticisms galore, mostly having to do with software, and I perfectly well realize that the SB3 is not the best thing on the planet. My two CDPs sound better. Easily. They also cost quite a bit more. The SB3 has, of course, all the virtues of size and flexibility. Many, or most, reasonable people would agree that the single best improvemet to the SB3 is an excellent DAC. That's the course I took and I was (and am) very happy. Do you really think spending almost $1,000 on a DAC isn't a mod to the system driven by a desire for higher performance?! I think Wayne is a nice guy. He is not, however, Lavry Engineering, Benchmark or Slim Devices. If that were the case, mastering studios would be gushing about various mods. They aren't. The Transporter is on another level. I have a gripe or two (I wish the letters, and not just the numbers, were backlit on the remote), but it is, overall, a very high performance device. Slim Devices hit a home run. They are easily on the level of Benchmark, Lavry, and Mytek, and that is a high level indeed. My NOS DAC only cost $250 and the consensus seems to be that it competes well with DAC's and state-of-the-art CDP's that cost multiples more. http://www.enjoythemusic.com/magazine/equipment/0406/mhdt_laboratory_dac.htm I think that, for the most part, that you can, with intelligent choices, at least equal the SQ of the stock Transporter with a modded SB (either analog or digital) and a linear powersupply. If you choose the digital mod the choice of a good DAC is critical. The Transporter is a nice luxury but if you already own a SB, there are other more cost effective routes to sonic bliss. Raja -- rajacat rajacat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4156 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29124 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3+DAC vs Transporter
Rajacat, I do agree with you -- one can approach, and perhaps equal, the Transporter by going the path of a Squeeze Box and ancillary devices. I've heard way too many DACs in the last few months, but I can tell you this: you would be hard pressed to equal a Benchmark and especially a Lavry. And, assuming you had the engineering background of a Dan Lavry, you'd still be into it for the time involved. Time, of course, is money. The Transporter is certainly a luxury item in a few ways. Instead of several boxes, you have one box. Instead of a voided warranty, you have a valid warranty. Aesthetically, it is very nice, and this is worth quite a bit to some people. My wife thought that the SB3 and Lavry looked geeky and out of place in our living room. She was right. She thinks the Transporter looks elegant and cool (her words). She is right. So, I think we are perhaps in agreement -- there are a number of ways to skin a cat. Much depends on one's aesthetics, abilities (not everyone is up to the soldering iron and 'scope challenge), needs, and budgets. rajacat;150521 Wrote: My NOS DAC only cost $250 and the consensus seems to be that it competes well with DAC's and state-of-the-art CDP's that cost multiples more. http://www.enjoythemusic.com/magazine/equipment/0406/mhdt_laboratory_dac.htm I think that, for the most part, that you can, with intelligent choices, at least equal the SQ of the stock Transporter with a modded SB (either analog or digital) and a linear powersupply. If you choose the digital mod the choice of a good DAC is critical. The Transporter is a nice luxury but if you already own a SB, there are other more cost effective routes to sonic bliss. With the increased popularity of MHDT DAC's you might have to pay more than $250, perhaps $350 or so. Raja -- highdudgeon Relax. It's about the music. highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29124 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3+DAC vs Transporter
rajacat;150521 Wrote: My NOS DAC only cost $250 and the consensus seems to be that it competes well with DAC's and state-of-the-art CDP's that cost multiples more. http://www.enjoythemusic.com/magazine/equipment/0406/mhdt_laboratory_dac.htm I think that, for the most part, that you can, with intelligent choices, at least equal the SQ of the stock Transporter with a modded SB (either analog or digital) and a linear powersupply. If you choose the digital mod the choice of a good DAC is critical. The Transporter is a nice luxury but if you already own a SB, there are other more cost effective routes to sonic bliss. Raja rajacat, I don't disagree. My SB/modded elpac sounds great with both my DACS, I had the luxury of hearing a TP before buying. I liked it so much I had to buy it and it keeps getting better with burn in. It is one of the most musically involving components I have heard in a long time. For me it is better than the SB+DAC and that's why I bought it. I have 2 people waiting to buy my SB/mod elpac at break even so I'm not out anything. I also like that the TP matches well visually with my Rowland gear.but if it didn't sound beter I wouldn't have bought it. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29124 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3+DAC vs Transporter
Exactly. Really, it does sound better than an SB3 and a Lavry DAC. And, I do have an Elpac. tomjtx;150537 Wrote: rajacat, I don't disagree. My SB/modded elpac sounds great with both my DACS, I had the luxury of hearing a TP before buying. I liked it so much I had to buy it and it keeps getting better with burn in. It is one of the most musically involving components I have heard in a long time. For me it is better than the SB+DAC and that's why I bought it. I have 2 people waiting to buy my SB/mod elpac at break even so I'm not out anything. I also like that the TP matches well visually with my Rowland gear.but if it didn't sound beter I wouldn't have bought it. -- highdudgeon Relax. It's about the music. highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29124 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3+DAC vs Transporter
Perhaps one should check out some of the other forums such as The Audio Circle for opinions on the SB/Transporter topic. Exposure to a wider range of opinions is often enlightening. Of course the stock Transporter should be better than the stock SB. Awhile ago some on this forum were stating the opinion that the stock SB power supply was all you needed and Slim Devices had the so-called scientific data to back it up. So if the stock switching supply was great why did they upgrade it in the Transporter. Did the scientific data change? Raja -- rajacat rajacat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4156 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29124 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3+DAC vs Transporter
rajacat;150550 Wrote: Perhaps one should check out some of the other forums such as The Audio Circle for opinions on the SB/Transporter topic. Exposure to a wider range of opinions is often enlightening. Of course the stock Transporter should be better than the stock SB. Awhile ago some on this forum were stating the opinion that the stock SB power supply was all you needed and Slim Devices had the so-called scientific data to back it up. So if the stock switching supply was great why did they upgrade it in the Transporter. Did the scientific data change? Raja Yeh, i read audio circle all the time. The posts you are talking about are on the Bolder manufacturers site. Most of the posts saying the Bolder modded SB is better than the TP are by Wayne himself. the other is by a Wayne devotee who heard the 2 at the RMAF for a few hours. Hardly unbiased opinions formed from weeks of listening experience. I like Wayne, he seems like a sincere guy, but some of his recent posts re the TP seem a bit self serving , to say the least. think it is far to earl to be talking about modding the TP. Let it break in and do some serious listenig before making judgements. Having said that. if I heard a Bolder modded TP and thought it was better I would do it. But it is WAY too soon to be on that bandwagon. Get real RAj, you have just discredited yourself with this post. Why didn't you just come out and say the posts were on the Bolder site? Can you not afford a TP? Is that why you are so invested in a modded SB? -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29124 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3+DAC vs Transporter
tomjtx;150551 Wrote: Yeh, i read audio circle all the time. The posts you are talking about are on the Bolder manufacturers site. Most of the posts saying the Bolder modded SB is better than the TP are by Wayne himself. the other is by a Wayne devotee who heard the 2 at the RMAF for a few hours. Hardly unbiased opinions formed from weeks of listening experience. I like Wayne, he seems like a sincere guy, but some of his recent posts re the TP seem a bit self serving , to say the least. think it is far to earl to be talking about modding the TP. Let it break in and do some serious listening before making judgments. Having said that. if I heard a Bolder modded TP and thought it was better I would do it. But it is WAY too soon to be on that bandwagon. Get real RAj, you have just discredited yourself with this post. Why didn't you just come out and say the posts were on the Bolder site? Can you not afford a TP? Is that why you are so invested in a modded SB? You didn't answer my question about the power supply. I agree that it is too early to judge definitively if a modded SB is better than a stock TP. Isn't this the Slim Devices forum? Can't we expect that there are SD pumpers on this sight. I agree that it is in Wayne's interest to pump his services but in the past he has offered and held shootouts between various versions of his mods vs. all comers. I held out for a long time before signing up for a Bolder mod. Didn't his modded SB get one of the Enjoy the Music's annual awards? Naturally, you could say that that is bogus and ETM is not legit but if they gave the award to the TP than I imagine you would be very happy.http://www.enjoythemusic.com/magazine/equipment/1006/bestof2006.htm -- rajacat rajacat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4156 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29124 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3+DAC vs Transporter
Actually, I think ETM is a pretty funny site. Their takes on cables are a gas, to say nothing of endorsements of all manner of silly items. This is good for a few chuckles: http://www.enjoythemusic.com/magazine/equipment/0906/cable_shootout_pt2.htm rajacat;150555 Wrote: You didn't answer my question about the power supply. I agree that it is too early to judge definitively if a modded SB is better than a stock TP. Isn't this the Slim Devices forum? Can't we expect that there are SD pumpers on this sight. I agree that it is in Wayne's interest to pump his services but in the past he has offered and held shootouts between various versions of his mods vs. all comers. I held out for a long time before signing up for a Bolder mod. Didn't his modded SB get one of the Enjoy the Music's annual awards? Naturally, you could say that that is bogus and ETM is not legit but if they gave the award to the TP than I imagine you would be very happy.http://www.enjoythemusic.com/magazine/equipment/1006/bestof2006.htm -- highdudgeon Relax. It's about the music. highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29124 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3+DAC vs Transporter
highdudgeon;150560 Wrote: Actually, I think ETM is a pretty funny site. Their takes on cables are a gas, to say nothing of endorsements of all manner of silly items. This is good for a few chuckles: http://www.enjoythemusic.com/magazine/equipment/0906/cable_shootout_pt2.htm Okay, if it is so funny, what makes you such a great authority? At least they listen and compare what they criticize. I'm sure if they praised your precious Lavry you would then think that they are legit. Most of what you talk about is just opinion based on very little experience. Hot air and pumping your items that you deal. What about the power supply issue. Why did SD change its design for the TS if it wasn't deficient on some way? They published the scope photos, so now those photos don't count. Very inconsistent, I must say! Raja -- rajacat rajacat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4156 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29124 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3+DAC vs Transporter
The cost of the TP is not a real problem. I just want to make a decision that I won't regret later. I'm not a true audiophile (my ears just aren't that good) and I tend to keep my stuff for a long time. I'm still using my Denon CD player from over 10 years ago. It cost over $1000 at that time. So $1700 with today's dollar is a bargain if the TP indeed is as good as many (practically all) of you say. It is true that perhaps the remote volume control alone is worth the extra $400 (surprising that no other DAC in this price range has this simple feature). I was, and still am, a little skeptical about the audiophile quality of a Slim Devices product. The SB is a proven and revolutionary device but that only proves that SD is a great high tech company. It seems unlikely, although definitely not impossible, that SD can create a DAC that is superior to companies that have been doing this kind of stuff for decades. But from the testimonials posted so far, apparently SD has indeed succeeded in doing so. So I guess I'll bite the bullet and contribute my $2000 to celebrate SD's success! -- Coffee Coffee's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8198 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29124 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3+DAC vs Transporter
Well, look at it this way -- it comes with a 30 day guarantee, right? How could you go wrong? Coffee;150564 Wrote: The cost of the TP is not a real problem. I just want to make a decision that I won't regret later. I'm not a true audiophile (my ears just aren't that good) and I tend to keep my stuff for a long time. I'm still using my Denon CD player from over 10 years ago. It cost over $1000 at that time. So $1700 with today's dollar is a bargain if the TP indeed is as good as many (practically all) of you say. It is true that perhaps the remote volume control alone is worth the extra $400 (surprising that no other DAC in this price range has this simple feature). I was, and still am, a little skeptical about the audiophile quality of a Slim Devices product. The SB is a proven and revolutionary device but that only proves that SD is a great high tech company. It seems unlikely, although definitely not impossible, that SD can create a DAC that is superior to companies that have been doing this kind of stuff for decades. But from the testimonials posted so far, apparently SD has indeed succeeded in doing so. So I guess I'll bite the bullet and contribute my $2000 to celebrate SD's success! -- highdudgeon Relax. It's about the music. highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29124 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3+DAC vs Transporter
Oh, please, would you just relax? I'm not saying they're not legitimate -- Bob Neill, with whom I sometimes disagree, has written some great reviews. I think some of their reviewing techniques can be a bit silly, though (the score cards) and, like any rag, there's a lot of fluff. I am not pumping anything. I don't need to. In fact, you are not even in my marketplace. Lavry? Good point. Currently, it is pretty much the most highly regarded DAC amongst mastering studio types. Very little experience? Okay, I guess that 25 years of pretty serious audiophile time doesn't count for much -- but, how would you know? I mean, Raja, listen to yourself -- you're going around and making assumptions, as facts, about people you have never met. The PSU for the Squeeze Box isn't really defective. Defective, Raja, means that it does not work. It works and, for $300, the SB is an incredible package. Of COURSE it can be improved upon. Sean Adams is the first to admit that one of the things he worked hard on was a significantly upgraded power section for the Transporter. According to these ears, and many others, he succeeded. Look, would you please read my posts? I agree with you that there is a legitimate area for mods. I commended you -- I was positive toward you, in a way you seem to be incapable of being toward people whom you have decided not to like -- for your skills. But, the fact remains that mods are a small, teeny-tiny sliver of the market. Tiny. People spend tens of thousands of dollars on audio and don't mod one single item. I've never heard of people going at McIntoshes, ARCs, or what have you with a soldering iron -- or at least not in any numbers that count. The same goes for slim products. The majority of users don't get into this. They are happy with what they have. If you're into it, then more power to you. But, please, quit being so defensive and insulting. It's annoying and you're managing to wreck, once again, a perfectly interesting thread. I hope you find some peace. rajacat;150562 Wrote: Okay, if it is so funny, what makes you such a great authority? At least they listen and compare what they criticize. I'm sure if they praised your precious Lavry you would then think that they are legit. Most of what you talk about is just opinion based on very little experience. Hot air and pumping your items that you deal. What about the power supply issue. Why did SD change its design for the TS if it wasn't deficient on some way? They published the scope photos, so now those photos don't count. Very inconsistent, I must say! Raja -- highdudgeon Relax. It's about the music. highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29124 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3+DAC vs Transporter
Mr. Coffee, My advice is, get the transporter, listen to it, if you like it, then keep it, if you don't like it, return it. There's no need to seek endorsement in forum. What people said in the forum does not represent what your ears will hear. If the transporter sounds crap to you, does it matter if 99% of the other users say it's good, or vice versa? Coffee;150564 Wrote: The cost of the TP is not a real problem. I just want to make a decision that I won't regret later. I'm not a true audiophile (my ears just aren't that good) and I tend to keep my stuff for a long time. I'm still using my Denon CD player from over 10 years ago. It cost over $1000 at that time. So $1700 with today's dollar is a bargain if the TP indeed is as good as many (practically all) of you say. It is true that perhaps the remote volume control alone is worth the extra $400 (surprising that no other DAC in this price range has this simple feature). I was, and still am, a little skeptical about the audiophile quality of a Slim Devices product. The SB is a proven and revolutionary device but that only proves that SD is a great high tech company. It seems unlikely, although definitely not impossible, that SD can create a DAC that is superior to companies that have been doing this kind of stuff for decades. But from the testimonials posted so far, apparently SD has indeed succeeded in doing so. So I guess I'll bite the bullet and contribute my $2000 to celebrate SD's success! -- 95bcwh 95bcwh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4358 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29124 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3+DAC vs Transporter
rajacat;150555 Wrote: You didn't answer my question about the power supply. I agree that it is too early to judge definitively if a modded SB is better than a stock TP. Isn't this the Slim Devices forum? Can't we expect that there are SD pumpers on this sight. I agree that it is in Wayne's interest to pump his services but in the past he has offered and held shootouts between various versions of his mods vs. all comers. I held out for a long time before signing up for a Bolder mod. Didn't his modded SB get one of the Enjoy the Music's annual awards? Naturally, you could say that that is bogus and ETM is not legit but if they gave the award to the TP than I imagine you would be very happy.http://www.enjoythemusic.com/magazine/equipment/1006/bestof2006.htm READ MY POSTS. I never said the stock SB power supply was adequate. I bought a Bolder Elpac and it is much better. The TP has 3 advanced PS's and is probably one of the reasons it sounds so good. I didn't answer your question because it was irrelevent to our discussion. My ears tell me the the TP is far superior to the SB with Bolder elpac (as good as that is) Why does that offend you so? My reading of Wayne's posts indicate he thinks the TP sounds better than all his SB iterations EXCEPT with the Ultimate PS with his power cords and connectors and Bybees. That costs around 2,300.00 to 2,400.00. However, it is obvious he hasn't done a serious review. BY HIS OWN ADMSSION HE HASN'T EVEN LISTENED TO THE TP ON THE SAME SYSTEM AS HIS MODDED SB! He has hardly listened to the TP because he was busy getting ready for RMAF. He also runs his SB on earlier firmware which he claims sounds better. A true AB would have to be done on the same firmware if one believes his contention that 6.5 sounds inferior to earlier firmwares. So Waynes opinions are ful of logical inconsistencies. One has to git rid of all variables in order to do a fair comparison. Wayne says that the modded SB with his earlier PS (better than his modded elpac DOESN't sound as good as a stock TP. So your own guru disagrees with you you. Are you not folowing your own recommendations and keeping up with the the Audio circle posts? Or are you purposely obfuscating? And, no, I wouldn't be ecstatic if ETM gave a rave to the TP. I couldn't care less. It doesn't matter to me what other people think, I only have to please my ears, not other's. I have no emotional investment in the TP or the SB. If I found something that sounded better I would buy it and sell the TP in a NY minute. I didn't even know about SD until 2 months ago. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29124 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3+DAC vs Transporter
tomjtx;150576 Wrote: BY HIS OWN ADMSSION HE HASN'T EVEN LISTENED TO THE TP ON THE SAME SYSTEM AS HIS MODDED SB! He has hardly listened to the TP because he was busy getting ready for RMAF. He also runs his SB on earlier firmware which he claims sounds better. A true AB would have to be done on the same firmware if one believes his contention that 6.5 sounds inferior to earlier firmwares Your statement might be correct, up to the 20th of October. At the RMAF, the transporter and Bolder's SB2 were put on exactly the same system. Your second point does not sound right to me either, the right comparison should be, pick the firmware that sound best for Bolder SB2, and then pick the firmware that sound best for the Transporter, and compare the two. You want to compare two optimized setups. I didn't ask Wayne which firmware he used when he switch to the Transporter, but I know for sure he's using version 15 when he played his modified SB2. -- 95bcwh 95bcwh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4358 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29124 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3+DAC vs Transporter
95bcwh;150572 Wrote: So you're talking about me, branded me as a Bolder Devotee, just because I heard both and said that Wayne's fully modified SB2 analog out with his Ultimate PS is better than the Transporter analog out? So you said because I haven't listened to it for more than 2 hrs, then my observation is biased? You can choose to believe that the transporter is the best in the world, fine with me, and good for you, as long as you're happy. I have no interest in convincing people by talking or writing in the forum, my principle is, you have to listen to it yourself, if you haven't, you can write anything on any forum but it's pure speculation. The RMAF is opened to everyone, if Waynes doesn't feel that his stuff is better than the Transporter, do you think he will be stupid enough to let everyone doing the A/B and only ended up embarrassing himself? If you haven't been to the RMAF, then you're being arrogant to discredit my ears. The difference that I heard at the RMAF, between the Bolder's SB2 and the Transporter, is not subtle, I don't need 2 hrs to tell which is better in his setup. I repeat, in HIS SETUP!! I have been holding out from making any purchase from Bolder, because I have high hope on the Transporter, unfortunately I left the RMAF feeling rather disappointed that the Transporter didn't sound as good as Bolder's SB2. Maybe the Bolder's SB2 is only better that particular setup? Maybe the Transporter may sound better in another setup with different speakers, different amps? These are the questions that I cannot answer. In fact, I am going to order a Transporter, taking advantage of its 30-day money back guarantee so I can do an A/B in my system. I have never believed in absolute superiority, it's all about system synergy. I agree and I apologize if my post offended you. I am not sure if I was refering to your post. I was trying to comment on making conclusive judgements based on brief observation. I don't think your post was doing that. I think RAj was trying to do that and was using your post incorrectly. The TP changes quite a bit in the 1st weeks. It becomes more refined and musical . Perhaps wayne's TP was not well broken in,or perhaps it was and his mods are better. I have an open mind on that. My main point is that it should and does take a lot of time to sort through these issues. Even the Absolute Sound and Stereophile reviewers live with a piece of gear for months before writing a review. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29124 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3+DAC vs Transporter
Total investment in my SB3 will be less than $500 after the Bolder mods. My DAC cost me $250. If I can come extremely close to the TS in terms of SQ I will be satisfied. There is always something better and I do not want to spend the $'s for the absolute best. Now the way you talk you must have an unlimited budget so more power to you. Part of the art of being an audiophile is learning how to intelligently allocate your funds to obtain the best sound you can within certain parameters. I figure that I would be better off taking that extra $1250 and investing it in acoustical treatments or a better amp so that the end result would be better SQ than if I bought the high-priced spread i.e. The Transporter. -- rajacat rajacat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4156 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29124 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3+DAC vs Transporter
Yes, there're too many variables why certain thing sound better than the other thing. Even though the Bolder SB2 sounded better than the Transporter at the RMAF, at the end of the day, all I can say is, it sounded better than the Transporter at the RMAF. On the audiocircle, Wayne is well-known, some times we wrote things without writing the whole sentence and we're forgiven for that. I have to make sure that I write full sentence in the other forums, so that it didn't cause any confusion. Peace, and enjoy your music. tomjtx;150579 Wrote: I agree and I apologize if my post offended you. I am not sure if I was refering to your post. I was trying to comment on making conclusive judgements based on brief observation. I don't think your post was doing that. I think RAj was trying to do that and was using your post incorrectly. The TP changes quite a bit in the 1st weeks. It becomes more refined and musical . Perhaps wayne's TP was not well broken in,or perhaps it was and his mods are better. I have an open mind on that. My main point is that it should and does take a lot of time to sort through these issues. Even the Absolute Sound and Stereophile reviewers live with a piece of gear for months before writing a review. -- 95bcwh 95bcwh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4358 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29124 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3+DAC vs Transporter
one other thing: You say the modded SB sounded better than the TP on wayne's system. Isn't it in Wayne's best interest to make his SB sound better than the TP? He has a financial interest in this after all. It was his room, couldn't he engineer it to make his mods sound better. I am not questioning his integrity, but he could have an unconcious bias toward his own product. i am a skeptomaniac when it it comes to audio, remember buyer beware That's why I think it's good you will give the TP a 30 day trial. I wouldn't have tried mine otherwise. If Wayne will offer me a 30 day trial of his modded SB and Ultimate PS I will jump on the offer. I would also like a trial of his modded TP. I promise I will buy what sounds best to me. You can run my credit card and charge what I don't return. How about it Wayne, will you do that? I truly have no vested interest in the TP, I'll dump it yesterday if I find something better near it's pric (and, yes Wayne's 2400.00 setup is close enough) So sell me Wayne, I am eager to be convinced! -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29124 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3+DAC vs Transporter
tomjtx;150583 Wrote: one other thing: You say the modded SB sounded better than the TP on wayne's system. Isn't it in Wayne's best interest to make his SB sound better than the TP? He has a financial interest in this after all. It was his room, couldn't he engineer it to make his mods sound better. I am not questioning his integrity, but he could have an unconcious bias toward his own product. i am a skeptomaniac when it it comes to audio, remember buyer beware That's why I think it's good you will give the TP a 30 day trial. I wouldn't have tried mine otherwise. If Wayne will offer me a 30 day trial of his modded SB and Ultimate PS I will jump on the offer. I would also like a trial of his modded TP. I promise I will buy what sounds best to me. You can run my credit card and charge what I don't return. How about it Wayne, will you do that? I truly have no vested interest in the TP, I'll dump it yesterday if I find something better near it's pric (and, yes Wayne's 2400.00 setup is close enough) So sell me Wayne, I am eager to be convinced! Why don't you email him with your offer? -- rajacat rajacat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4156 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29124 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3+DAC vs Transporter
rajacat;150580 Wrote: Total investment in my SB3 will be less than $500 after the Bolder mods. My DAC cost me $250. If I can come extremely close to the TS in terms of SQ I will be satisfied. There is always something better and I do not want to spend the $'s for the absolute best. Now the way you talk you must have an unlimited budget so more power to you. Part of the art of being an audiophile is learning how to intelligently allocate your funds to obtain the best sound you can within certain parameters. I figure that I would be better off taking that extra $1250 and investing it in acoustical treatments or a better amp so that the end result would be better SQ than if I bought the high-priced spread i.e. The Transporter. Disclosure: Wayne is not my guru. I too am skeptical of his ebony hockey pucks. I did try the silver/ceramic fuse in my PS and it made a noticable positive impact on SQ. OK, I am in complete agreement with this post. I am sure your combo will sound great. I just sold some guitars so I could indulge and go for the TP. I wish I did have an unlimited budget ( and so does my dealer friend:-) ) It was no risk for me with the 30 day trial. Once I sell my other 2 dacs and my SB/elpac(I have several buyers in line) I will break even or maybe come out ahead(1st time for that!) So peace, Bro -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29124 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3+DAC vs Transporter
tomjtx;150585 Wrote: OK, I am in complete agreement with this post. I am sure your combo will sound great. I just sold some guitars so I could indulge and go for the TP. I wish I did have an unlimited budget ( and so does my dealer friend:-) ) It was no risk for me with the 30 day trial. Once I sell my other 2 dacs and my SB/elpac(I have several buyers in line) I will break even or maybe come out ahead(1st time for that!) So peace, Bro I didn't know about the 30 day offer so maybe I'll demo the TS too although I'd have to sell my pre, SB, dac and extra amp to stay within my budget. I could use the analog outs and connect directly to my restored Scott LK-48 which will be returned from the amp guru in about 3 weeks. ~~ Sounds good but I think I will give the digital mod a try since it is the easiest path for now because I already have a good DAC. The digital mods are only $175. Actually my system is sounding pretty good right now. Peace to you too! Best regards Raja -- rajacat rajacat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4156 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29124 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3+DAC vs Transporter
rajacat;150588 Wrote: I didn't know about the 30 day offer so maybe I'll demo the TS too although I'd have to sell my pre, SB, dac and extra amp to stay within my budget. I could use the analog outs and connect directly to my restored Scott LK-48 which will be returned from the amp guru in about 3 weeks. ~~ Sounds good but I think I will give the digital mod a try since it is the easiest path for now because I already have a good DAC. The digital mods are only $175. Actually my system is sounding pretty good right now. Peace to you too! Best regards Raja That's what I was going to do(digital mods) as well. Then I heard the TP courtesy of my dealer friend and I got hooked. I had just sold a guitar and hadn't made a major purchase in quite some time so I went for it. I worked my way up to my Watt/Puppy/ Rowland system incrementally. My preference is to live with the TP for awhile. It is very satisfying musically, I am enjoying my system more than ever. But I would be very interested to hear Wayne's full SB system, if I like it more I would buy it. If I had an unlimited budget I would buy it just to try it.But I don't, So I hope he is willing to do a trial. I wouldn't ask him if I weren't serious. I have the impression Wayne is a sincere, honest guy.I think he believes in what he does. I was VERY impressed by his elpac mod. I don't bybee into, oops, buy into all of his mods :-) I am not saying those mods are objectively inaudiblr, just that I don't hear it. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29124 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3+DAC vs Transporter
Congratulations everyone for not allowing this thread to degenerate into a fight. A little compromise, an occasional apology makes it better for all - we can now enjoy this hobby that we obviously feel strongly about. We are all intelligent enough to listen to ALL opinions, comparisons and recommendations and take what information is useable for our personal situation. I bought a Transporter/SB3 as a leap of faith after reading about the Squeezebox at AudioCircle and good words from fellow AKSA amp owners. Well, the SB3 arrived and I was shocked, this thing didn't sound as good as my old Yamaha CD player or Pioneer DVD player but I still loved it, it is so so convenient. But after a weekwell nothing happenedit didn't get any better. I was expecting far more, even from a standard SB3. Well a few more weeks passed and the Transporter arrived. I plugged it in and my faith was restoredI sounds very good IMHO. As mentioned elsewhere, I also believe the Transporter made a significant improvement after a week (or there abouts) burn-in. I don't really believe in burn-in theory as I haven't experienced it with other equipment. It's probably just a physiological effect of spending the money, and being very happy with the results. I am very interested in modding the SB3 to get it up to the level of my Transporter. This is the only way to really find out the facts. As a side note: I stuck my SB3 in my test system consisting of a $150 amp and pretty ordinary floorstanding speakers and had to listen twice, the SB3 sounded better to me in this setup than my real system. Was it 95bcwh that mentioned system synergy? No wonder we get into arguments about X being better than Y, way to many variables. Happy listening Greg -- Greg Erskine Greg Erskine's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7403 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29124 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3+DAC vs Transporter
Greg Erskine;150593 Wrote: . Well, the SB3 arrived and I was shocked, this thing didn't sound as good as my old Yamaha CD player or Pioneer DVD player but I still loved it, it is so so convenient. But after a weekwell nothing happenedit didn't get any better. I was expecting far more, even from a standard SB3. I am very interested in modding the SB3 to get it up to the level of my Transporter. This is the only way to really find out the facts. Happy listening Greg Greg, did you try plugging the SB wall wart into a power conditioner? This made a significant difference in SQ. Next get a Bolder modded Elpac. There are only a few elpacs left and Bolder is raising it's mod price from 85.00 to 100.00 on Nov.1. You can order the mod before you buy the elpac. When you buy the elpac have them ship it directly to Bolder to save shipping costs. I am a skeptic and cheapskate but this mod is well worth the cost. Live with it for a few weeks and then you can decide if you want to mod the SB as well. Since I have a TP I won't go further than the Elpac. If I keep my SB it will be for my kid. Glad to hear you perceive a difference with TP burn in I am hearing significant improvement especially in the top end. I don't think it's in your head, I go back to my old DACS as a reality check to compare the TP with. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29124 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3+DAC vs Transporter
Hi, Yes, your logic is somewhat flawed. What won't change dramatically is precisely the digital side. Transports, including the SB3, will virtually all sound the same through the right kind of DAC (ie, something like the Lavry DA10 or another device that buffers and re-clocks the signal). So, you wouldn't need junk the SB3. It is an excellent transport with very low jitter at the s/pdif output. What you might want to change is what comes after the digital transmission. DACs do differ considerably and some handle jitter better than others. Some have better output stages, volume controls, etc., than others. The Lavry DA10 is an exceptional DAC. It is designed with the needs of mastering studios, not audiophiles, in mind...and, frankly, that is a higher standard. It, and the Benchmark, is a better value than a Musical Fidelity or other DACs costing much more (see Ben Diss's comments). So, with a SB3 and a Lavry ($975) you're in for $1,300. That is, in fact, cheaper than a Transporter. I know, because I have a SB3 and a Lavry. Thing is, I also have a Transporter. Here's what you get with the SB3+ RIGHT DAC setup: flexibility to upgrade the DAC down the line, in case that is really necessary (it really won't be); if one component goes south, you can swap it out while it it gets fixed. Now, with a Transporter purchase, you get the Transporter AND a second SB3. Now, your SB3 + Lavry/Benchmark is costing $1,600. Almost the SAME cost as the transporter. So, for $100, what do you get? 1. You get everything in one very attractive box. I didn't think the knob would be functional. It is really functional and fun to use. The overall design is tasteful. The side-by-side screens are very cool and also very useful. You don't have two devices on top of each other. You get a remote for the sound. You get something that looks nice and not industrial. 2. You get fabulous value in terms of sound. In the two weeks I've had the Transporter, I've done the following test with friends: Transporter, SB3, SB3+Lavry, Sony XA-9000, EC EMC1 CDP (c'mon, someone get that). Everyone agreed that that two CDP's sounded better than the SB3 alone. No surprise there. However, everyone agreed that the SB3 and Lavry sounded better than the CDPs. Again, no surprise. Also, the consensus was that the Transporter was superior, or at the very least the equal off, the CDPs. I wasn't shocked, given what we know about the device. Acid test: SB3 + Lavry against the Transport. It took me a while to tease this one out. Mind you, I am biased: I've been using the Lavry since it came out and I know the sound. After a while, though, I found the Transporter to deliver a bit better imaging and 3-D layering than the Lavry. To check this out, I drove the Transporter through the Lavry. Same result. In the end, I found, as did four friends, that the Transport was simply more satisfying. Perhaps by a bit, perhaps as a matter of nuance, and perhaps subjectively, yes, but more satisfying. And, in one attractive box. I'm keeping the SB3 and Lavry because I will use them in my second system. Having said that, I think the Transporter is an absolutely terrific device. If you get it with a SB3 thrown in...it's a great deal. Again, read Ben Diss's comments. Good luck! Coffee;150354 Wrote: I'm a new member and I'm trying to decide whether to buy an SB3 and a DAC or a Transporter. Even with the free SB3 special, the Transporter still costs $1700. I can buy a PS Audio or Musical Fidelity DAC for about $1000. So the SB3+DAC combo is still $400 cheaper. The Transporter is no doubt a high quality piece of equipment, but so is Musical Fidelity stuff. In any case, the digital side is high-tech and will change rapidly, whereas the analog side hasn't and probably will not change significantly for a long time to come. With a separate DAC, I can junk the SB3 when something better comes up (like better wireless networking). Seems to make perfect sense to me. I have searched this forum and cannot find this question raised previously. Is my logic flawed in some way? -- highdudgeon Relax. It's about the music. highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29124 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3+DAC vs Transporter
I agree with HighDudgeon (with a name like that you better agree or else) I've had my Transporter for a week now and I like it better than the Lavry+SB or Lavry+TP. When comparing costs remember to factor in the cost of a cable between the SB and DAC. This can be as little as 35.00 for a glass fiber optic or a BlueJeans coax forabout the same. Or you can go all audiophile and spend 300.00 to 1,000.00 (valhalla) Also, the TP looks SO cool, isn't THAT worth the extra money? :-) Seriously, to my ears, the TP sounds better and is more pleasing musically. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29124 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3+DAC vs Transporter
Thanks for the in-depth reply, HighDudgeon, especially your comparison tests. I will certainly do some research on the Lavry and Benchmark. The cost figures are not quite right, though. For $2000 and the special offer, I can get a Transporter and an SB3. So I get 2 systems, one excellent and one decent. Or I can get an SB3+DAC combo costing $1300, plus another SB3 costing $300. Again 2 systems. The total for that is $1600, as you said. But the difference is $400, not $100. Of course, if I dither some more the Transporter special will be over and I'll be looking at a $700 difference! -- Coffee Coffee's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8198 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29124 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
