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. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] MEMBERSHIP AND A WORLD REVIEW On Feb 7, 2017, at 2:35 PM, Christopher McDonnell <wommamuku...@bigpond.com> wrote: “I don’t think CASA cares a whole heap about that.” No they don’t Mark but I think the courts would if you had the money and inclination t

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On Feb 7, 2017, at 3:04 PM, Richard Frawley wrote: > > that being the case, what is the point of making an enemy of the GFA when > befriending and making small changes over time seems like a higher potential > path for improvement GFA has never made small changes over

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On Feb 7, 2017, at 3:07 PM, Richard Frawley wrote: > >> >> You also can’t be a GFA member without being a member of a GFA-affiliated >> club, so you actually need to be a member of TWO organizations to be >> compliant with the GFA operations manual. >> > > I must admit

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so unless the sky fall in, its looks like we are all stuck with the GFA if you want to fly gliders. that being the case, what is the point of making an enemy of the GFA when befriending and making small changes over time seems like a higher potential path for improvement So apart from the L2

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On Feb 7, 2017, at 2:09 PM, James McDowall wrote: > Mark, > Agree with most of what you wrote except that CASR 61.1515 does not say that > you have to be a member. It says that " (1) The holder of a glider pilot > licence is authorised to conduct an activity in the

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: [Aus-soaring] MEMBERSHIP AND A WORLD REVIEW On Feb 7, 2017, at 1:49 PM, Christopher McDonnell <wommamuku...@bigpond.com> wrote: Where does that fit with “Freedom of Association”? Is that not why there is an ‘alternative path’? You cannot be forced to join an association generally sp

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On Feb 7, 2017, at 1:49 PM, Christopher McDonnell wrote: > > Where does that fit with “Freedom of Association”? Is that not why there is > an ‘alternative path’? You cannot be forced to join an association generally > speaking. > I don’t think CASA cares a

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Mark, Agree with most of what you wrote except that CASR 61.1515 does not say that you have to be a member. It says that "* (1) The holder of a glider pilot licence is authorised to conduct an activity in the exercise of the privileges of the licence only if the activity is conducted in

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t why there is an ‘alternative path’? You cannot be forced to join an association generally speaking. Chris From: Mark Newton Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2017 11:57 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] MEMBERSHIP AND A WORLD REVIEW On Feb 7, 2017, at 12:00 PM,

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On Feb 7, 2017, at 12:00 PM, James McDowall wrote: > My reading of Mosp 2 (the GFA operations manual) is that membership of the > GFA is only mandated for foreign pilots and Class A airspace operations. Good luck getting a glider in to Class A airspace. I think

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Ok, I am curious so a long, long time ago the GFA secured the exclusive rights to allow their members to fly gliders. why should the GFA have exclusivity? is the below a loop hole to break that? Has anyone tried to exploit it? > On 7 Feb 2017, at 12:11 pm, Matthew Scutter

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That was my interpretation too, and I'm still not clear on why we made all the foreign pilots attending the WGC in benalla join the GFA to operate their foreign registered aircraft with their foreign licences. I appreciate the process was streamlined but I don't see the legislative requirement

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> On 7 Feb 2017, at 9:23 AM, James McDowall wrote: > > Can anyone enlighten me as to which piece of legislation says a GPL has no > validity in Australia? CASR 61.145 permits flight in a glider without a glider pilot license under stated conditions. CASR 61.1515

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Italy SNAFU LOL What more can you say. From: James McDowall Sent: Monday, February 06, 2017 7:51 PM To: steph...@internode.on.net ; Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] MEMBERSHIP AND A WORLD REVIEW And I've flown in Italy and no-one even asked

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oaring in Australia." Cc: Sent:Mon, 6 Feb 2017 18:51:38 +1100 Subject:Re: [Aus-soaring] MEMBERSHIP AND A WORLD REVIEW That's correct Bernard but if you have a german licence already an Australian GPL will be an expensive waste of time and money for you. Stephen, The BGA has now merged the

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On 6 Feb 2017, at 7:31 PM, Mark Newton wrote: > > On 6 Feb 2017, at 6:42 PM, Future Aviation Pty. Ltd. > wrote: >> >> Hi Mathew >> >> I seem to have missed something! >> Your reply seems to indicate that the

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On 6 Feb 2017, at 6:42 PM, Future Aviation Pty. Ltd. wrote: > > Hi Mathew > > I seem to have missed something! > Your reply seems to indicate that the GPCertificate is upgradable to a > GPLicence in Australia. > Is that correct and how would one go about it? If you

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to) > understand it. > > Ulrich > > *From:* Aus-soaring [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.base64.com.au > <aus-soaring-boun...@lists.base64.com.au>] *On Behalf Of *Future Aviation > Pty. Ltd. > *Sent:* Monday, 6 February 2017 09:57 > *To:* Discussion of issue

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om: Aus-soaring [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.base64.com.au >> <mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.base64.com.au>] On Behalf Of Future >> Aviation Pty. Ltd. >> Sent: Monday, 6 February 2017 09:57 >> To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. >> &l

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ng in Australia." @lists.base64.com.au> To:"Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia." Cc: Sent:Mon, 6 Feb 2017 17:06:50 +1100 Subject:Re: [Aus-soaring] MEMBERSHIP AND A WORLD REVIEW The GPL exists and it is real. You can get one right now. It's a lot of expens

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On Feb 6, 2017, at 4:34 PM, Ulrich Stauss wrote: > In theory the personal legal risk for a CFI should be lower from an L2 Ind Op. Hang on. Firstly: At best, the personal legal risk for a CFI is undefined (which is, itself, a personal legal risk) Secondly: At worst,

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-- From: "Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia." To:"Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia." Cc: Sent:Mon, 6 Feb 2017 16:14:10 +1030 Subject:Re: [Aus-soaring] MEMBERSHIP AND A WORLD REVIEW Hi Ulrich One of the reasons for implementing the GPC was

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..@lists.base64.com.au>] *On Behalf Of *Future Aviation > Pty. Ltd. > *Sent:* Monday, 6 February 2017 09:57 > *To:* Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. < > aus-soaring@lists.base64.com.au> > *Subject:* Re: [Aus-soaring] MEMBERSHIP AND A WORLD REVIEW >

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ring [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.base64.com.au] On Behalf > Of Future Aviation Pty. Ltd. > Sent: Monday, 6 February 2017 09:57 > To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. > <aus-soaring@lists.base64.com.au> > Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] MEMBERSHIP AND A WO

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ing@lists.base64.com.au> Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] MEMBERSHIP AND A WORLD REVIEW Ulrich, First thing, I am no longer on the exec. My observation over the last 10 years, is that several pilots I know have asked their CFI for L1 and L2 and have been refused, often without any reasons

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14:10:41 +1100 Subject:Re: [Aus-soaring] MEMBERSHIP AND A WORLD REVIEW >The GPL, as I understand it, is now supposed to allow glider pilots to fly overseas (BUT not in Australia). Just out of interest, has anyone actually done that yet? Yes, I have an FAA licence issued on the back of my GP

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issues relating to Soaring in Australia." Cc: Sent:Mon, 6 Feb 2017 13:51:45 +1100 Subject:Re: [Aus-soaring] MEMBERSHIP AND A WORLD REVIEW On Feb 6, 2017, at 1:30 PM, Ulrich Stauss wrote: Also, if my understanding is correct it is possible fly a self-launcher with a C certificate (plus co

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sts.base64.com.au] *On > Behalf Of *Future Aviation Pty. Ltd. > *Sent:* Monday, 6 February 2017 09:57 > *To:* Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. < > aus-soaring@lists.base64.com.au> > *Subject:* Re: [Aus-soaring] MEMBERSHIP AND A WORLD REVIEW > > &

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for a private owner with a SL, this has to be a nonsense rule and I suspect it gets broken a lot. I really think its time for this rule to significantly modified. John, Bernard, others…do you want your new owners of the shiny new SL aircraft you sell constrained by this? > On 6 Feb 2017,

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On Feb 6, 2017, at 1:30 PM, Ulrich Stauss wrote: > Also, if my understanding is correct it is possible fly a self-launcher with > a C certificate (plus corresponding training/endorsement) under the > supervision of an instructor(?). You can do all of your ab initio

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-boun...@lists.base64.com.au] On Behalf Of Future Aviation Pty. Ltd. Sent: Monday, 6 February 2017 09:57 To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. <aus-soaring@lists.base64.com.au> Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] MEMBERSHIP AND A WORLD REVIEW Hi Richard Please count me

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As occurs in other parts of gliding, the issue of pilot responsibility vs club/instructor ’supervision’ has many constituent parts. - the existing fiction is that the national body ‘controls’ the sport whereas a reality is that at each individual flying site the control/supervision relies on

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] MEMBERSHIP AND A WORLD REVIEW Hi Richard Please count me in! I have held a L2 independent operator endorsement for the last 25 years and can operate without any restrictions or interference by others. The same should apply for other suitably qualified pilots who often even hold a PPL

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Pty.Ltd. <ec...@internode.on.net> Sent: Sunday, 5 February 2017 11:26 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] MEMBERSHIP AND A WORLD REVIEW Hi Richard Please count me in! I have held a L2 independent operator endorsement for the last 25 years a

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personal knowledge and experience to back up my statement. >>> >>> >>> >>> Check accident / incident reports re. glider pilots and RAus. pilots up to >>> CASA PPL’s. >>> >>> >>> >>> Noel. >>> >>

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te: >>> Jim. >>> >>> >>> >>> I have personal knowledge and experience to back up my statement. >>> >>> >>> >>> Check accident / incident reports re. glider pilots and RAus. pilots up to >>> CASA PPL’s. >

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nt reports re. glider pilots and RAus. pilots up to >> CASA PPL’s. >> >> >> >> Noel. >> >> From: Aus-soaring [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.base64.com.au] On Behalf >> Of James McDowall >> Sent: Sunday, February 5, 2017 8:38 PM >

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lto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.base64.com.au] On Behalf > Of James McDowall > Sent: Sunday, February 5, 2017 8:38 PM > To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. > Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] MEMBERSHIP AND A WORLD REVIEW > > > > Hi Noel, > > What is the ba

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Sent: Sunday, 5 February 2017 6:04 PM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' <aus-soaring@lists.base64.com.au> Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] MEMBERSHIP AND A WORLD REVIEW Jim. Your suggestion implies you think those pilots you refer to up to PPL are qualified to o

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, 2017 8:38 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] MEMBERSHIP AND A WORLD REVIEW Hi Noel, What is the basis of your reservation? It is worth remembering that there are many people deemed to be qualified in all sorts of endeavours that you and I

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. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] MEMBERSHIP AND A WORLD REVIEW I found it thoroughly entertaining being required to do a site check, in order to fly my own glider, despite having just flown myself into that site in a powered aircraft. I was for a while a member of Ziggy and Marta's 'Just Soaring

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On 5/02/2017 8:41 PM, Richard Frawley wrote: i must look up the MOSPs and see what i have "to know/be skilled at" to attain L2 or is is at some mystical behest of a CFI. In a nutshell, there isn't any requirements to be passed. It will be issued by the CFI and club, and reviewed/renewed

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i must look up the MOSPs and see what i have "to know/be skilled at" to attain L2 or is is at some mystical behest of a CFI. I have heard of several clubs where the CFI will not issue L2 under any circumstance. why would they take that position? > On 5 Feb 2017, at 5:52 PM, Greg Wilson

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ing-boun...@lists.base64.com.au] On Behalf > Of James McDowall > Sent: Sunday, February 5, 2017 5:10 PM > To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. > Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] MEMBERSHIP AND A WORLD REVIEW > > What about anybody with a RA-Aus pilot certificate and

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On 5 Feb 2017, at 3:35 PM, Richard Frawley wrote: > > It is well know that the biggest resistance by far to the current GPC change > (which was a good step forward) was by instructors and especially CFI’S and > RTO’s > > I would be more than happy to help champion the

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...@lists.base64.com.au] On Behalf Of James McDowall Sent: Sunday, February 5, 2017 5:10 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] MEMBERSHIP AND A WORLD REVIEW What about anybody with a RA-Aus pilot certificate and anybody with a RPL, PPL, etc

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ssues relating to Soaring in Australia." To:"Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia." Cc: Sent:Sun, 5 Feb 2017 16:36:06 +1100 Subject:Re: [Aus-soaring] MEMBERSHIP AND A WORLD REVIEW i put my hand up to take this to the exec. who else (must be GFA member) i can count on

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I think this is a step in the right direction. Even better if L1 L2 ops were abolished altogether and all holders of GPC fly without supervision. Greg Wilson On Sun, 05 Feb 2017 16:36:06 +1100 Richard Frawley rjfraw...@gmail.com wrote i put my hand up to take this to the

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What about anybody with a RA-Aus pilot certificate and anybody with a RPL, PPL, etc with an endorsement for self launcher? On Sun, Feb 5, 2017 at 4:06 PM, Richard Frawley wrote: > i put my hand up to take this to the exec. who else (must be GFA member) i > can count on for

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i put my hand up to take this to the exec. who else (must be GFA member) i can count on for support? step 1: anyone cleared to fly a Self Launcher automatically has L2 OPS annotated on GPC (will that work?) > On 5 Feb 2017, at 4:10 pm, James McDowall

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Elsewhere in this discussion it was noted that the majority of GFA new registrations last year were powered. The interests of these people need to be accommodated NOW, not when the powerless gliders can't be launched because it is too expensive or I just cant move my zimmer frame fast enough to

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It is well know that the biggest resistance by far to the current GPC change (which was a good step forward) was by instructors and especially CFI’S and RTO’s I would be more than happy to help champion the issuance of GPC as equivalent to Level 2 Independent ops, but I can tell you now it

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Hi James, hello all I have argued along exactly the same lines when I was on the panel as the head coach for SA. Coming from a different country I was bewildered that there is no formal qualification for glider pilots in Australia. I argued for a Glider Pilot Licence (GPL) instead of a Glider

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never black and white is it…and all this subject to legal interpretation and testing in courts of law. agree with the last point, but as owners of aircraft clubs can do whatever they want to protect their aircraft but there is also consequence in over stepping with too much restriction

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The Deed between GFA and CASA has nothing to do with the GFA Operational Regulations which are the agreed operational arrangements for gliding as required by CAO 95.4. The Deed as it is titled is a funding agreement (Funding for the self administering activities of the Gliding Federation of

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Yes, the GFA has operational responsibility as that is what is imparted and set up to do, but the key and central relationship still remains between CASA and the Pilot. If you breach airspace are they going to chase the GFA? If anyone thinks that you can get a better deal from CASA in terms of

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Nonsense, as the document says the parties to the agreement are the GFA and CASA. Sure, I agree to the rules of the association which may include the Operational regulations referred to in CAO 95.4 (which are different to GFA's Operational regulations) but members are not party to the agreement

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Did you know that the Deed with Casa is between the glider pilot and CASA > On 4 Feb 2017, at 11:06 pm, Mark Newton wrote: > > On 4 Feb 2017, at 5:55 PM, Greg Wilson > wrote: > >> One low cost step toward

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yes, what value does the L2 actually provide and what knowledge gap exists > On 4 Feb 2017, at 5:55 PM, Greg Wilson wrote: > > One low cost step toward improving the gliding "product" would be to make GPC > holders responsible for their own flying instead of relying on a

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One low cost step toward improving the gliding "product" would be to make GPC holders responsible for their own flying instead of relying on a L2 instructor's presence at launch.I can understand how the current system evolved from clubs wanting to control pilots

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day, 3 February 2017 5:42 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] MEMBERSHIP AND A WORLD REVIEW It would be interesting to get a survey to that effect. I have found that with the people I have tried to recruit. Those who show an interest see it as

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It would be interesting to get a survey to that effect. I have found that with the people I have tried to recruit. Those who show an interest see it as a high performance sport. Aside from the sporting aspect, what does gliding hope to offer a new member? Cheap flying? Prices are compatible to

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Regarding the competition pilot vs. non-competition pilot debate, I don't think I've met a junior that hasn't been, or doesn't want to go to Joeyglide. Perhaps in the broader population competition pilots are under represented, but amongst younger pilots (fresh blood) it seems to swing the other

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In an attempt to get a worthwhile discussion get back on track. Not my ideas but a brief summary of this conversation so far. Perceived problems: GFA administration Overly focused on competition carried out by a tiny minority of pilots Resistant to change Minimum required to deal with CASA

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Not entirely true. Many have indicated a direction. Your problem is, for 1 through 4 you have to have willingness and co-operation from the clubs and the management skills at the club level. Most members of a club want to enjoy the activity without having to run a business. You need special or

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My understanding is that at present we have a Project beyond 3000 underway (encouraging clubs around Australia to have current members look to re-engage former members or engage friends). To be active in April 2017. This may sit within a business plan. As it seems similar to an Executive

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peter I am sure you remember we spoke about creating a centralised marketing budget when we were on the exec together. the challenge is that for mass marketing $500k is insufficient. done properly around $2m would be needed to span over a 3 year period. As a collective, its possible to raise

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This has been a very deep and meaningful discussion and, to me, it was enlightening and educational. Most of the contributions were well thought out and clearly expressed. My only problem is that the conversation was confined to defining the problem and, what we should be concentrating is a

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operator commencement date: 9 May 2016 From: Mike Borgelt Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2017 11:39 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] MEMBERSHIP AND A WORLD REVIEW That was an hour or two after finding one that had been blown over out th

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date: > 9 May 2016 > Registered operator: > FLIGHT ONE (SERVICES) PTY LTD 224 Qantas Ave ARCHERFIELD QLD 4108 Australia > Registered operator commencement date: > 9 May 2016 > > From: Mike Borgelt > Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2017 11:39 PM > To: Discussion of issues relati

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BTW --By The Way Not VH registration! From: Peter Brookman Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2017 10:16 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] MEMBERSHIP AND A WORLD REVIEW BTW Manufacturer: PIPER AIRCRAFT CORP Model: PA-34-200 Serial number

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in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] MEMBERSHIP AND A WORLD REVIEW That was an hour or two after finding one that had been blown over out the back of a hangar a couple of years before. It was still on the register. A Kookaburra BTW. Mike On 1 Feb 2017, at 9:07 PM, Mike Borgelt <mb

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On 2 Feb 2017, at 9:24 AM, steph...@internode.on.net wrote: > If we assume it is only age related, the register shows that the cut off year > for the 600 oldest gliders is 1978. So all that "old low performance stuff" > would include all the LS1s, Cirrus, Libelles, Mosquitos, Astir CS/CS77s and

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Sent:Thu, 2 Feb 2017 08:41:52 +1030 Subject:Re: [Aus-soaring] MEMBERSHIP AND A WORLD REVIEW It doesnt really matter how many gliders are on the register as the real question is how many are active ie airworthy. This can be extrapolated from the financial accounts and budgets which would indicate t

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On 2 Feb 2017, at 9:11 AM, James McDowall wrote: > > It doesnt really matter how many gliders are on the register as the real > question is how many are active ie airworthy. This can be extrapolated from > the financial accounts and budgets which would indicate that

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On 2 Feb 2017, at 4:29 AM, Richard Frawley wrote: > > is there a population age cliff we are fall off? Yes. - mark ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.base64.com.au

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uot; @ > lists.base64.com.au> > > To: > "Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia." > Cc: > > Sent: > Wed, 1 Feb 2017 14:36:35 +1100 > Subject: > Re: [Aus-soaring] MEMBERSHIP AND A WORLD REVIEW > > > to put a d

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d 10 of them air >> cadets), 46 with some sort of motor. That's a clue to the future right there. >> >> >> >> >> >> For pilot flying times, much more difficult to get a handle on. >> >> >> >> >> >> >>

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r than 3 years old in 2016 - (64 total) >> >> 36 private >> >> 28 club >> >> Of those 64 new gliders 18 "pure" (mostly DG1000s, and 10 of them air >> cadets), 46 with some sort of motor. That's a clue to the future right there. >> >> >&g

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quot;Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia." @ lists.base64.com.au> To: "Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia." Cc: Sent: Wed, 1 Feb 2017 14:36:35 +1100 Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] MEMBERSHIP AND A WORLD REVIEW to put a different spin on it, how about

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erms) increasing more than club ownership (and as others will >>> point out, only about half of the gliders in Australia are given an annual >>> in any one year, so it all may be moot anyway). >>> >>> gliders on the register newer than 3 years old in 2016 - (64 t

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;> >> 28 club >> >> Of those 64 new gliders 18 "pure" (mostly DG1000s, and 10 of them air >> cadets), 46 with some sort of motor. That's a clue to the future right there. >> >> >> >> >> >> For pilot flying times, much more diffic

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> > - Original Message - > From: > "Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia." @lists.base64.com.au> > > To: > "Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia." > Cc: > > Sent: > Wed, 1 Feb 2017 14:36:35 +1

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So! And does anybody check? From: Richard Frawley Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 6:18 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] MEMBERSHIP AND A WORLD REVIEW someone can correct me but isnt it a valid rego number that counts in this case

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e.on.net > Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 5:04 PM > To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. > Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] MEMBERSHIP AND A WORLD REVIEW > > > > > > From the aircraft register of 2013 > > 1220 gliders and motor glide

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motor. That's a clue to the future right there. > > > > > > For pilot flying times, much more difficult to get a handle on. > > > > > > > > - Original Message - > From: > "Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia."

Re: [Aus-soaring] MEMBERSHIP AND A WORLD REVIEW

.au> To:"Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia." Cc: Sent:Wed, 1 Feb 2017 14:36:35 +1100 Subject:Re: [Aus-soaring] MEMBERSHIP AND A WORLD REVIEW to put a different spin on it, how about asking some different questions 1) how many gliders are there now? 2) how man

Re: [Aus-soaring] MEMBERSHIP AND A WORLD REVIEW

On Feb 1, 2017, at 2:58 PM, DMcD wrote: > I have to say, I'd love those who are not involved actively in gliding > to remove themselves from discussions related to soaring in Australia. That’s what the GFA website forums are for. I haven’t been actively involved in gliding

Re: [Aus-soaring] MEMBERSHIP AND A WORLD REVIEW

>>as it is seen by what must be a representative cross section of the >>Australian gliding movement. It's not a representative cross section of anything but disenfranchised grumblers. It would be interesting if posters noted their (unsuccessful) clubs so we don't visit. >>(Not just the 2%

Re: [Aus-soaring] MEMBERSHIP AND A WORLD REVIEW

to put a different spin on it, how about asking some different questions 1) how many gliders are there now? 2) how many are privately owned (percentage change)? 3) have the annual flown hours per pilot gone up or down? > On 1 Feb 2017, at 2:22 pm, John Roake wrote: >

[Aus-soaring] MEMBERSHIP AND A WORLD REVIEW

Hi Aussies I have been intrigued to read all the copy about your membership problem, as it is seen by what must be a representative cross section of the Australian gliding movement. We have been conducting a one-man war on the same subject against the International Gliding Commission,